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GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE DECEMBER 4TH, 2023 WORK SESSION FOR THE GARLAND CITY COUNCIL.GETTING INTO OUR AGENDA ITEM ONE, PUBLIC
[1. Public Comments on Work Session Items]
COMMENTS ON WORK SESSION ITEMS. I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK THIS EVENING.ITEM FOUR F AND IT'S DEREK JOHNSON.
AND IF YOU COULD GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, SIR.
AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
UH, GARRETT JOHNSON, 6 9 0 1 LA MANGA DRIVE, DALLAS, TEXAS.
I WANNA THANK STAFF FOR BEING AS RESPONSIVE AS THEY ARE TO DEVELOPERS.
UH, I'VE DONE A COUPLE OF PROJECTS IN GARLAND.
I DID THE STARBUCKS, I'VE DONE THE STORAGE DEAL OVER, UM, ON JUPITER AND BUCKINGHAM.
THE, THE, THE MAIN THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT IS HOW THE PROCESS IS FROM A ZONING STANDPOINT AND A-C-U-P-S-U-P STANDPOINT.
WHEN WE COME IN AS A DEVELOPER, YOU KNOW, WE'D LIKE TO USUALLY JUST DO CONCEPTUAL PLANS AND HAVE COUNCIL AND P AND Z AND STAFF MAKE COMMENTS ON THOSE CONCEPTUAL PLANS.
AS FOR GARLAND, YOU HAVE TO DO FULL DRAWINGS IN ORDER TO GET YOUR ZONING DONE BEFORE, BEFORE YOU CAN PRESENT TO COUNCIL.
AND IT IS DELAYING CONSTRUCTION STORE OPEN TENANT INTEREST BY ABOUT SIX MONTHS.
SO, IF, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY I'M HERE TODAY TO DISCUSS, AND HOPEFULLY YOU GUYS TALK ABOUT CHANGING THE, THE ORDINANCE TO HAVING JUST A CONCEPTUAL PLAN AND AS OPPOSED TO FULL DRAWINGS NEEDED.
'CAUSE THESE DRAWINGS CHANGE AFTER CITY COUNCIL VOTES ON IT AS WELL.
THE TENANTS WILL CHANGE THE GRADING DRAINAGE, THEY'LL CHANGE SITE PLAN LAYOUTS.
SO YOU'RE DOING ALL THIS WORK TWICE, AND I'M SURE IT'S DOUBLING STAFF'S EFFORTS AS WELL AS WE, AS THEY GO THROUGH DIFFERENT ITERATIONS OF THE DRAWINGS, DEGRADING DRAINAGE AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO THAT IS MAINLY WHY I'M HERE, JUST FROM A DEVELOPER STANDPOINT.
LOVE DOING BUSINESS IN GARLAND CITY'S GREAT.
JUST THAT IS REALLY HINDERING OUR ABILITY TO OPEN THESE STORES AND GET PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, SERVICED IN THE COMMUNITY.
[2. Consider the Consent Agenda]
CONSIDER THE CONSENT AGENDA.UH, HAVEN'T SEEN ANY REQUESTS FOR ANY ITEMS TO BE PULLED, BUT OBVIOUSLY THERE'S STILL TIME TO DO THAT.
[3. Written Briefings]
BRIEFINGS UNDER ITEM THREE, ITEM THREE A 2023 EDWARD BYRNE, MEMORIAL JUSTICE ASSISTANT GRANT.AND WE'RE GONNA COME BACK TO, UH, CUSTOMER WILLIAMS HAS ASKED FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION ON ITEM THREE B, BUT I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND GO THROUGH THE OTHER ITEMS FIRST.
UM, ITEM THREE C, ORDINANCE CHANGE CONCERNING FOOD EXCELLENCE AWARDS AND WAIVING OF THE PERMANENT FEES CUSTOMER HEDRICK.
I'D LIKE A LITTLE MORE EXPLANATION ON THIS ITEM IF POSSIBLE.
I JUST WANNA KNOW THE GENESIS OF WHY THE CHANGE AND, UH, A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY BEHIND IT.
YEAH, SORRY, I'VE NEVER HAD ONE ASKED QUESTIONS DURING, SO I WASN'T SURE.
SO THIS, UM, ACTUALLY WAS, NEEDS TO BE PROBABLY CONSIDERED WHEN LOOKING BIG PICTURE AT, UM, A YEAR THAT WE'VE HAD.
UM, WITH, WITH HOUSE BILL 27 78, UM, IT TOOK AWAY A LOT OF, UH, THE OTHER FEES THAT WE COULD COLLECT.
AND SO IT WAS A COMBINATION OF THINGS.
WE LOST A LOT OF REVENUE, SORT OF ALL AT ONE TIME.
UM, THE MOBILE FOOD UNITS, WHICH WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT LATER, UM, WE'RE LOSING A REVENUE OF ABOUT 36,000 A YEAR.
AND THEN WITH, UM, THERE'S SEVERAL OTHER THINGS, AND I THINK SHE'S GOT THE LIST HERE SHE CAN GO OVER WITH YOU.
UM, WHERE WE'VE LOST, WE ALSO LOST REVENUES FOR, UH, FOOD MANAGERS OR FOOD REGISTERED FOOD MANAGERS.
AND THEN THIS WAS JUST ONE MORE.
SO WE WERE LOOKING AT, UM, HOLISTICALLY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW CAN WE KIND OF OFFSET SOME OF WHAT WE'RE LOSING.
AND THAT WAS THE BEST THING WE COULD COME UP WITH WITHOUT DOUBLING OR DOING SOMETHING CRAZY WITH REVENUES.
UM, WE DIDN'T NECESSARILY KNOW THAT ALL THAT WAS COMING UNTIL IT HAPPENED.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE WERE JUST TRYING TO RECOUP, UH, THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY SO THAT WE COULD APPLY IT TO REGULAR SERVICES.
DO YOU HAVE AN ESTIMATE ON THE TOTAL LOSS REVENUE FROM ALL THE CHANGES FROM ALL OF IT? DO YOU HAVE THAT, IS THAT LIST REALLY GIVING? NO, BUT I CAN BRING IT BACK TO YOU.
WE JUST NEED TO CALCULATE IT LIKE THAT.
I'D BE CURIOUS TO SEE THAT BECAUSE I'M, I LIKE THIS PROGRAM.
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SOMETHING TO STRIVE FOR.AND EVEN IF WE CHANGE IT WHERE A LOWER PERCENTAGE OR THEY JUST GET A HALF REBATE, MAYBE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IT'S SOME, FOR THOSE TOP PERFORMERS TO REALLY HAVE AN INCENTIVE TO DO WELL AND BE RECOGNIZED.
AND I, I WAS LOOKING THROUGH, UH, OUR WEBPAGE, THE CITY'S WEBPAGE LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE SINCE 2019.
MAYBE I, I COULDN'T FIND ANYTHING IF SO, BUT I'D LOVE TO SEE MORE RECOGNITION MADE AND MORE OF A, A BIG DEAL, ESPECIALLY THE ONES THAT HAVE THE HIGHEST RANKINGS, MORE PUBLICITY ABOUT IT.
BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS TO SEE IF WE COULD STILL KEEP SOMETHING FOR THOSE TOPNOTCH.
I KNOW THERE'S 12 DIFFERENT CATEGORIES, AND EVEN IF THE, THE TOP PERFORMER MAY BE THEM, AND SOME ARE, YOU KNOW, THE GOVERNMENTAL HOLD, BUT THEY DON'T PAY FEES ANYWAY.
BUT THE REST OF 'EM, I'D LOVE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF INCENTIVE IF POSSIBLE.
AND YEAH, I GOT SEVERAL CALLS TODAY FROM, FROM CITIZENS WHO SAW THIS IN THE NOTES AND WERE, UM, THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT IT.
UM, I REALLY DON'T WANT US TO LIGHTLY JERK AWAY.
CARROTS AND BENEFITS THAT PEOPLE HAVE GROWN ACCUSTOMED TO THE CITY IS ON A VERY POSITIVE, UM, M MOVEMENT FORWARD.
AND I THINK AT THE POINT THAT WE START DOING THAT, THAT'S GOING TO, UH, SLOW THE MOMENTUM AND SLOW THE ENTHUSIASM.
AND RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT A FAIR NUMBER OF NEW RESTAURANTS, INCLUDING SOME REALLY INTERESTING ONES, UH, LOOKING AT US.
AND, AND THIS JUST DOESN'T FEEL LIKE THE RIGHT TIME FOR THAT.
SO IF WE NEED TO, UH, REALLY LOOK FOR SOME OTHER REVENUE SOURCES INSTEAD TO MAKE UP, WE DON'T ONCE YOU ON A STARVATION DIET, UM, BUT TO MAKE UP THE DEFICITS IN SOME OTHER WAY, I, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO LOOK HARD BEFORE WE WENT WITH TAKING AWAY THIS BENEFIT.
I, I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE NUMBERS WOULD LOOK LIKE IF YOU JUST HAD A SMALLER PORTION OF, UH, A SMALLER PERCENTAGE, MAYBE LIKE THE TOP 1% OR MAYBE THE TOP FIVE RESTAURANTS.
IT'S EARLY FIVE, BUT I WAS MAYBE 3%.
UM, CAN YOU TELL ME ABOUT HOW MUCH MORE MONEY WOULD BE GENERATED BY REMOVING THIS BENEFIT FOR THE, FOR THOSE REVENUES? MM-HMM,
IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THAT THIS YEAR BECAUSE WE HAVE MORE RESTAURANTS.
ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? UH, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND LET'S BRING THIS BACK, UM, TO THE SECOND MEETING IN JANUARY, AND SO WE CAN HAVE SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS AND, AND LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE DETAILS.
UH, LET'S SEE, WHERE ARE WE HERE? ITEM 3D, NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY MATCHING GRANT, FALL 2023 APPLICATIONS.
AND SO NOW WE WILL COME BACK TO ITEM THREE B, GARLAND CHAMBER, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AGREEMENT, RENEWAL.
COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMS HAD ASKED FOR THIS FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.
UM, MAYOR, AFTER LOOKING AT THIS, I, I HAD SEVERAL QUESTIONS I'D LIKE TO ASK STAFF TO WHO'S GOING TO COME FORWARD, AND I'M SURE THEY CAN ENLIGHTEN, UM, OKAY.
AND I, AND I, I NOTICED IN, IN THE PACKET THAT WAS A, UH, SOME SLIDES THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA SHARE THOSE TONIGHT, RIGHT? ARE ARE YOU OR YOU? I CAN, IF YOU CAN YOU PLEASE? YES.
WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO SHOW YOU A COUPLE SLIDES IF YOU WANTED ME TO SHOW YOU SOME SLIDES? WELL, WHY DON'T WE, IN THE INTEREST OF TIME,
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UM, IS MR. HASSER JOINING YOU TONIGHT OR JUST THE TWO OF EXCUSE HE CUT IN CLASS TONIGHT? HMM.WILL YOU JUST GO BACK TO THE BEGINNING OF YOUR SLIDE PRESENTATIONS? AND, AND I'VE GOT SEVERAL QUESTIONS THAT I'VE GOT HERE AND, AND THEN YOU CAN, UH, STOP THERE.
UH, WOULD YOU JUST GO THROUGH THE SLIDES BRIEFLY AND SUMMARIZE WHAT, WHAT YOU PROVIDE TO COUNCIL? SURE.
SO THIS ITEM IS FOR THE GARLAND CHAMBER OF COMMERCE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SERVICE AGREEMENT, RENEWAL REQUEST.
THIS IS REALLY THE BRIEF, MAJOR HIGHLIGHTS AND BACKGROUND.
UH, 1985 IS THE ONE FIRST TIME CITY DEPARTMENT RESPONSE, 1985.
CITI HAD A DEPARTMENT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT IN 1995.
UH, AIRLINE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP FORMED.
THAT IS THE TIME THIS, UM, SERVICE AGREEMENT WAS IN PLACE OVER THE YEARS.
AND, UM, WE RENEWED THE SEVERAL TIMES.
AND RIGHT NOW IT'S, UH, JANUARY 9TH, 2024 IS THE ONE EXPIRING IN THIS CURRENT AGREEMENT.
SO THIS IS THE, UH, LAST, UM, SINCE 1995, UM, 1, 2, 3 TIMES IT WAS RENEWED.
NOW THIS IS THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT RESPONSIBILITIES.
AGAIN, THIS IS REALLY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT EFFORT IS REALLY COLLABORATION.
SO WE, WE WORK VERY CLOSELY, UH, GARLAND CHAMBER, SMALL BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT WORK, WORK WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT, RETENTION, EXPANSION.
GARLAND CHAMBER IS LEAD ON THIS EFFORT.
UM, STRATEGIC PLAN, UM, APRIL, 2023, UM, COUNCIL ADAPTED THE FIRST EVER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN.
UM, WE ARE REALLY, UH, WORKING TOWARD THIS, OUR GOAL BASED ON THIS STRATEGIC PLAN.
AND IN THE PART OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN, IT RECOMMENDS CREATING MORE ORGANIZATIONAL CAPACITY.
IT'S REALLY, WE WANTED TO HAVE A CLEAR DIRECTION, GOALS, DIRECTION, RESPONSIBILITY.
SO THIS PROPOSAL, UH, FOR THIS YEAR, UH, IS RENEWABLE CONTRACT INCREASE THE BASE OF ANNUAL PAYMENT TO $600,000 BY 2026.
SO NEXT THREE YEARS, IT'S GONNA BE 27,000 INCREASE, UH, RENEW AUTOMATICALLY UNLESS EITHER PARTY WISHES TO TERMINATE AND THE PAYMENT OF THE ANNUAL INCREASE BASED ON THE SUCCESSFUL COMPLETION OF ANNUAL ACTION PLAN TO BE PERFORMED BY THE GARLAND CHAMBER.
AND THE RECOGNIZE VALUE OF A HISTORY OF AN ONGOING PARTNERSHIP.
AND IT'S REALLY HAS TO BE ALIGNED WITH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN.
SO CURRENT AGREEMENT IS 2023, AND IT, IT WAS 516,000.
SO IN ORDER FOR US TO BE, TO BUY THE 2026, IT'S GONNA BE $600,000.
SO IT'S GONNA BE $27,760 INCREASE.
UM, AND THEN FOR AFTER THE 2026, THIS IS REALLY, I PUT THE 3%, BUT IT'S REALLY MATCHING THE PERCENT MERIT INCREASE, WHAT CITI IS PROVIDING.
SO THIS IS JUST KIND OF, THIS WAS THE LAST YEAR'S 3%.
UM, SO FROM NOW ON, UH, WE ARE PROPOSING TO QUOTE, EVERY QUARTER WE ARE GONNA HAVE A MEET WITH THE CITY DEPARTMENT AND THE CHAMBER STAFF.
WE WILL MEET AND IT JUST KIND OF REPORTING EACH OTHER WHAT WE'VE DONE AND IT, WHAT'S THE PROGRAM STATUS.
AND THEN TWICE A YEAR AGO, AND CHAMBER WILL COME REPORTS TO COUNCIL MIDYEAR PROGRAM UPDATES, AND AT END OF THE YEAR, THERE'S GONNA BE ANNUAL REPORT AT THE ANNUAL REPORT END OF THE YEAR, IT WAS ANNUAL ACTION PLAN FOR THE FOLLOWING YEARS WILL BE PRESENTED AT, AT THAT TIME.
AND THAT SHOULD BE INCLUDING SPECIFIC AND TANGIBLE GOALS EACH YEAR.
AND THAT HAS TO BE ALIGNED WITH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN.
WILL YOU GO BACK TO YOUR SLIDE WHERE YOU SHOW THE TERMS, UH, LENGTH OF THE CONTRACT? IT WAS THE FIRST OR SECOND SLIDE.
THEN I'LL GO THROUGH MY QUESTIONS RIGHT QUICK.
UM, MY FIRST QUESTION, QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH, UM, YOU'VE SHOWN US THE CURRENT TERMS AND THE RECOMMENDATION, AT LEAST THE PROPOSAL, AND THAT'S IN YOUR PRESENTATION, IS, IS, UM, EXTENDING THE, THE LENGTH OF THE AGREEMENT TO HOW MANY YEARS IT WOULD BE AN ANNUAL RE AUTOMATIC RENEWAL UNLESS EITHER PARTY, UH, DECIDED TO, UH, NOT RENEW THE AGREEMENT.
SO RATHER THAN A FIVE-YEAR TERM, WHICH HAS BEEN IN THE PAST, IT'S AN ANNUAL SELF-RENEWING UNLESS EXPRESSLY, UH, WRITTEN BY EITHER PARTY.
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OKAY.ON THE, UM, CAN YOU EXPLAIN, UH, TO ME HOW WE LANDED ON THAT PROPOSAL OF AUTOMATIC RENEWALS? I WANT, I WANT, I DIRECT, I WANT, EXCUSE ME, PAUL.
I WANT, I WANTED TO DIRECT THIS TO STAFF.
WELL, THERE WAS A REQUEST FROM US, BUT THAT'S, YEAH, I, I'M, I'M GONNA COME, I'M GONNA COME TO YOU.
BUT CAN YOU, CAN YOU, CAN YOU HELP ME A LITTLE BIT TO UNDERSTAND THAT WAS WHAT A CHANGE IN THE TERMS REQUESTED BY THE CHAMBER? YES, SIR.
WELL, WELL, I'LL TELL YOU, I, I, UH, HAVE, HAVE, HAVE, HAVE SOME CONCERN ABOUT AUTOMATIC RENEWALS.
UM, AM I CORRECT AUTOMATIC RENEWALS IF WE, IF WE CAN SEND IT TO THAT, UH, THAT COMMITS, UH, THIS AND, AND, UH, FUTURE COUNSELS TO THE TERMS OF THAT AGREEMENT.
HOWEVER, EITHER PARTY CAN, UH, HANG ON A SECOND.
I THINK OUR ATTORNEY HAS SURE.
IT DOESN'T COMMIT FUTURE COUNSELS TO ANYTHING.
IN FACT, IN, IN MANY WAYS, UM, THE FACT THAT IT'S NOT A FIVE YEAR CONTRACT OR A 10 YEAR CONTRACT, COUNSEL HAS MORE FLEXIBILITY AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH TERM TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT TO CONTINUE THE CONTRACT.
SO IN FACT, IT GIVES COUNSEL MORE OPTIONS AT THE END.
IT GOES FROM A FIVE YEAR COMMITMENT TO A ONE YEAR COMMITMENT, BASICALLY.
AND THEN IF COUNSEL WANTS TO CONTINUE IT, THEY NEED TO TAKE NO ACTION.
IT JUST CONTINUES AUTOMATICALLY.
WHAT, WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE ADVANTAGE OR DISADVANTAGE OF GOING QUOTE AUTOMATICALLY VERSUS ANNUAL RENEWALS AS WE'VE DONE BEFORE? WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE ADVANTAGE OR DISADVANTAGE? THE ADVANTAGE IS THIS COUNCIL WILL HAVE THE OPTION AT ANY YEAR, IN ANY BUDGET YEAR, TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE GONNA ALLOCATE MONEY FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR FOR THIS CONTRACT.
THE DISADVANTAGE WOULD BE, UM, UM, A LONG-TERM FINANCIAL SECURITY FOR THE CHAMBER.
IT'S REALLY BENEFITS THE CITY MORE THAN IT DOES, QUITE FRANKLY, THAN IT DOES THE CHAMBER.
MY NEXT QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH, UH, THE PROPOSED, UH, ANNUAL INCREASE.
I THINK WE LANDED THE DIFFERENCE OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS, 27, 7 60, AROUND THERE.
MM-HMM,
SO PART OF THAT NUMBER IS BASED ON 3%.
IT JUST HAPPENS TO BE THE 27 6, I BELIEVE.
AND SO IT WAS, AGAIN, A, A, A COMPROMISE BETWEEN THE INITIAL, UH, REQUEST AND PAST, UH, AMOUNTS IN OF INCREASE.
SO IT WAS KIND OF SPLITTING THE DIFFERENCE.
YOU CAN SEE OVER TIME, THERE'S BEEN VARYING CONTRACT TERMS BETWEEN FIVE AND 10 YEARS.
THERE'S BEEN VARYING TERMS OF INCREASE FROM EACH YEAR TO THE NEXT.
SO SOME YEARS HAVE BEEN 5%, SOME HAVE HAD ZERO, SOME HAVE BEEN TIED TO, UH, THE CONSUMER PRICE INDEX FOR THAT BUSINESS SECTOR.
SO IT WAS A, A COMPROMISE BETWEEN A LARGER REQUEST AND WHAT WAS DONE IN THE PAST.
AND IT, AND IT WORKED OUT TO BE 3% ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.
OTHER, OTHER THAN THE STRATEGIC PLAN, I'M BORROWING YOUR TERMINOLOGY THERE.
AND, UH, PAUL, YOU CAN, YOU CAN JUMP IN HERE.
THE STRATEGIC PLAN, UH, WHAT, WHATEVER, WHAT OTHER PERFORMANCE MATRIX CRITERIA ARE YOU GONNA USE AND, AND GETTING TO, IF, IF THAT, UH, THE, THE, THE COMPROMISED REACHED AND THE INCREASE.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT MATRIX, MATRIX IS, I CAN'T SAY THE WORD.
UH, ARE WE GONNA USE WHAT PERFORMANCE MATRIX, UH, TO DETERMINE YEAR BY YEAR, UH, AND, AND, AND REACHING THAT, THAT MILESTONE THERE.
WELL, ACCOUNTABILITY HAS ALWAYS BEEN KEY FROM, FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.
AND WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT INCREMENTAL CHANGE, IF YOU LOOK BACK AT THE BEGINNING, UH, IN 1995, THE INVESTMENT FROM THE CITY WAS $250,000.
AND BASICALLY AT THAT TIME, IT WAS TO, TO COLLAPSE THE CITY DEPARTMENT, WHICH WAS ABOUT $800,000, AND DO A JOINT VENTURE, WHICH WE FORMED THE PARTNERSHIP.
SO THE CITY PUT IN 250 THE CHAMBER PUT IN A LIKED AMOUNT, AND THEN LATER ON THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
SO WE'VE GROWN IT INCREMENTALLY.
AND SO I THINK THE BIG, THE BIG IMPETUS FOR THE CHANGE, OR, OR THE INCREASE IS THE, THE ASK AND THE ASK BY VIRTUE OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN, WAS TO GET VERY INTENTIONAL ABOUT RETAINING OUR, OUR MAJOR TAXPAYERS, UH, WORK WITH WORKFORCE, WHICH IS A HUGE
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ISSUE AROUND RETAINING OUR MAJOR OR ALL EMPLOYERS.AND THEN SMALL BUSINESS, WHICH YOU AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON FOREVER.
AND SO THE, THE GOING FORWARD, UH, THE INCREASE AMOUNT, AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S ALL IT COST OF LIVING AND, AND BEING ABLE TO MAINTAIN PROGRAMS AND GROWING IT SLOWLY OVER TIME.
THIS INCREASE WILL ALLOW US TO BRING ON A FULL-TIME SOLELY DEDICATED PERSON FOR SMALL BUSINESS.
BUT WE'VE NEVER HAD THAT BEFORE.
SO SOMEBODY, AND SO THE ACT, THE, THE PART OF THAT IS, IS HIRING THAT PERSON, AND THE JOB OF THAT PERSON IS, IT KNOWS TO, KNOWS WITH SMALL BUSINESS.
AND I KNOW THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT SOMETHING PART, OH, EXCUSE ME.
BUT AS I READ THE PROPOSAL, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT THE PROPOSED INCREASES, YOU'RE PROPOSING NOT TO BASE IT ON THE ECI TO CHANGE THAT.
AM I CORRECT ACTUALLY, AM I CORRECT? YEAH.
ECI HAS BEEN, WELL, IT'S, IT'S CHANGED.
IN 19 20 19, IT WAS 2% INCREASE.
IN, UH, 2022, IT WENT TO 4%, BECAUSE INFLATION WENT UP, 23 WAS 4%.
SO ACTUALLY IT WOULD BE THE, THE INCREASE, THE 3% INCREASE WOULD ACTUALLY BE LOWER AMOUNT THAN WHAT THE 4% IS.
BUT IT'S ABOUT, AND IT'S TIED TO WHATEVER, 3% IS WHATEVER THE CITY DOES.
IF THE CITY DOESN'T DO, UH, BARRETT INCREASES THAT YEAR FOR WHATEVER REASON, THEN IT'S ZERO.
IF THE CITY DOES 2%, THEN IT'S 2%.
SO BECAUSE THE BULK, ALL THIS MONEY IS GOING INTO SALARIES, AND SO TO SAY TO KEEP THE PROGRAM MOVING, YOU'VE GOT TO INCREASE THE REVENUES TO DO THAT.
SO, AM I ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION, BJ? UH, YEAH, YEAH.
YOU, YOU, YOU'RE GETTING THERE.
DID YOU, BUT YOU SAID THAT YOUR LAST STATEMENT, BUT I WON'T ADD TO THIS.
UH, YOU SAID ALL, ALL THE REQUESTED INCREASE IS GOING TO SALARY.
THAT'S, THAT'S NOT WHAT IT SAYS.
IT SAYS SALARY, SALARY SLASH PROGRAMMING.
WELL, THE BULK OF IT, I MEAN, WHEN YOU DO A, WHEN YOU DO A JOINT VENTURE AND YOU KNOW, THE, THE REVENUES AS THE CITY IS PAIRED WITH THE REVENUES FROM THE CHAMBER AND, AND OTHER, YOU KNOW, NON-NEW REVENUES, UH, THAT GO TOGETHER TO, TO FUND THE WHOLE PROGRAM BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT BUILDING AND, AND, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE AND ALL THOSE OTHER KINDS OF COST.
UH, THE BULK OF THE MONEY'S ALWAYS IN ANY KIND OF ENTERPRISES AROUND SALARIES.
AND SO KEEPING CURRENT WITH THE SALARIES, UH, AND THEN BEING ABLE TO EXECUTE THE PROGRAM IS, IS WHERE THOSE INCREASES.
WE TIED IT TO A, TO A COST OF LIVING INCREASE, UH, WHICH GOES UP AND DOWN.
AND SO RIGHT NOW, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE ABOVE WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR, FOR THE FUTURE AT 4% IF THAT GOES DOWN IN THE CITY, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO DO YOUR RAISES BASED ON COST OF LIVING AND, AND GETTING PEOPLE, UH, TO WHERE THEY NEED TO BE.
NOW, BACK TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT ACCOUNTABILITY AND, AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE, WHAT ARE THE METRICS? SO, UH, AND I'M JUST FOCUSING ON SMALL BUSINESS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THE OTHER PIECE OF THAT IS THE BIGGEST TAXPAYERS, WHICH IS, WHICH IS A BIG PART OF WHAT WE DO.
AND THAT'S WHAT, IT'S WHAT I DO.
AND WHAT WE'VE HIRED A DEDICATED PERSON AROUND THAT TO FOCUS ON KEEPING THOSE FOLKS, UH, HAPPY.
SO PART OF THE METRICS IS, IS THE OUTREACH.
HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE WE OUT THERE CONTACTING? WE ON SMALL BUSINESS, EVERY NEW BUSINESS COMES INTO TOWN, WE CONTACT THEM.
THIS WITH THE EXPANDED RESOURCE AROUND A PERSON.
WE'LL BE EXPANDING TO MORE, TO MORE PEOPLE GETTING NOSE TO NOSE.
UH, AND AS YOU KNOW, BETTER THAN I DO OR AS WELL AS I DO, THAT SMALL BUSINESS IS, IS A BIG, UH, BROAD EXPANSE OF, OF WHAT THE NEEDS ARE.
YOU'VE GOT SOME STARTUPS AND YOU'VE GOT SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE VISITING BUSINESS.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE HERE TO PEAK.
AND SO IT'S, IT'S MITIGATING WHAT THOSE ISSUES ARE.
UH, ONE, ONE-ON-ONE, UH, THE QUESTION THAT CAME UP ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TIFF GETTING INVOLVED WITH, WITH DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES AND DOING THAT KIND OF THING, THE CHAMBER'S RESPONSIBILITY HAS BEEN GARLAND IN TOTAL.
SO, SO A LOT OF IT, THE METRICS IS, IS JUST PURE ACTIVITY.
HOW MANY PEOPLE WE OUT THERE TOUCHING? AND THEN IT'S, THEN IT'S MEASURING EFFECTIVENESS.
UH, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE PROGRAMS, ONCE WE HAVE THE PERSON IN PLACE IS TO DEVELOP WHAT WE CALL THE, THE SMALL BUSINESS 100.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S A GROUP OF 100 THAT WILL, THAT WILL EBB AND FLOW AS PEOPLE COME IN.
WE IDENTIFY WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE, WE GROW THEM.
WE, WE CHART THEIR PROFITABILITY, THEIR, THEIR INCREASE THEIR SUCCESS, AND THEN PEOPLE GRADUATE FROM THAT AND WE BRING 'EM IN.
SO THAT'S A RECURRING PROGRAM.
UH, IT, IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANNA JUST DO IT ON OUT THERE, UH, KNOCKING ON DOORS, BUT YOU WANT TO DO IT ON PRODUCTIVITY INCREASES.
SAME THING WE'RE DOING WITH, WITH MANUFACTURERS AND BIG BUSINESSES.
WHAT IS THEIR VALUE? ARE THEY INCREASING THEIR TAX BASE? ARE THEY BUILDING MORE EQUIPMENT? ARE THEY HIRING MORE PEOPLE? ARE THEY USING MORE ELECTRICITY? ALL THOSE THINGS.
AND MY LAST, MY LAST QUESTION IS, YOU, YOU, YOU MENTIONED ACCOUNTABILITY SEVERAL TIMES AS PROPOSED HERE WITH THAT INCREASE.
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ARE THERE GOING TO BE, YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO ANSWER THIS TONIGHT.WILL THERE BE ANY, ANY CHANGES IN ACCOUNTABILITY? UH, RIGHT NOW? I KNOW, I KNOW THE REPORT CYCLE, I KNOW ALL OF THAT, BUT IF THIS, IF THIS GOES AS PROPOSED AND THE CITY IS INCREASING ITS INVESTMENT, OKAY.
UH, HAVE, HAVE THERE BEEN ANY DISCUSSION OF, UH, IMPROVE WORKING ON BUILDING ON THE ACCOUNTABILITY BACK TO THE CITY AS IT WORKS WITH OUR ED FOLK SO THAT, SO THAT OUR CITY MANAGER AND COUNCILS WILL, WILL, WILL, WILL HAVE A, GONNA HAVE A BETTER GRASP OF, OF, UH, THIS INCREASED INVESTMENT AS IT GOES THROUGH THE YEARS.
UH, ANY THOUGHTS? MR. MR, MR. UH, ANDY HAS, ANDY, WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU COMMENT ON THAT THEN? I'M DONE.
SO ONE, ONE OF THE, UH, STAFF SUGGESTIONS IN CONSIDERING THIS WOULD BE, UH, THAT WE USE THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN, WHO DID AN EXTENSIVE, UH, LOOK AT BOTH CHAMBER AND CITY, UH, FUNCTIONS, RELATIONSHIPS, AND, AND POSSIBILITIES.
SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE THE BENCHMARK TO PULL SOME DELIVERABLES.
UM, WE'VE GOT BEEN WORKING ON KIND OF A DRAFT, IT'S A PAGE OR TWO SO FAR FROM THAT PLAN SO THAT THERE ARE SOME TANGIBLE DELIVERABLES IN DECIDING, UH, UH, WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S BEEN MET OR NOT.
AND THEN THAT 3% IS ALLOCATED OR NOT.
SO WE WOULD BE, UH, LOOKING AT THAT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS FOR SOME MEASURABLE DELIVERABLES.
AND LASTLY, MR. CITY MANAGER, CAN I COME TO YOU? UH, CAN YOU RESPOND TO THAT QUESTION FROM, FROM WHERE YOU SIT AS FAR AS ACCOUNTABILITY AS IF, IF AS PROPOSED, THIS PLAN IS ADOPTED FROM AN ACCOUNTABILITY STANDPOINT? UH, WHAT IT, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? YEAH, TWO THOUGHTS.
ONE IS THAT, UH, THIS CONTRACT HAS PROPOSED, UH, AS I THINK OUR CITY ATTORNEY POINTED OUT, GIVES THE CITY A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY WITH, WITH THE CONTRACT.
UM, AND THE SECOND PART IS, AND I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT FREQUENCY, BUT, UH, THERE'S A REPORTING BACK TO CITY COUNCIL ON THOSE POINTS OF ACCOUNTABILITY.
SO, I MEAN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT ONLY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RENEW THAT CONTRACT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, BUT YOU'RE GONNA HEAR FROM PAUL MORE FREQUENTLY ON THOSE, ON THOSE POINTS TWICE A YEAR.
IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT, YES, SIR.
SO, I, I, I'M PRETTY HAPPY WITH THAT.
UM, AND, AND TO THE, TO THE DOLLAR AMOUNT PART OF THAT, WE HAVE SOME CATCH UP TO DO IN, IN REAL DOLLARS.
WE'RE GIVING THE CHAMBER LESS THAN WE DID BEFORE.
AND, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH HERE IS, IS A LITTLE BIT OF CATCH UP.
UM, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF INFLATION, WAGES HAVE GROWN A LOT MORE OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS.
AND, UM, THAT'S WHY WE, FOR THE FIRST FEW YEARS OF THIS CONTRACT ARE TRYING TO GET UP TO THAT $600,000 AMOUNT AND THEN TIE IT BACK TO, UM, MERIT INCREASES AFTER THAT POINT, SO THAT IN, IN REAL DOLLARS.
UM, WE'VE, WE'VE SHORTED THE CHAMBER OVER, OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS.
IT'S DEBATABLE, BUT WE'RE NOT HERE TO DEBATE.
THANK YOU, MAYOR, FOR YOUR TIME.
THANK, THANKS EACH OF YOU FOR THE INFORMATION.
AND PAUL, YOU TOUCHED ON IT BRIEFLY, BUT I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT THIS, THAT FROM OUR STRATEGIC ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN SAID WE NEED TO CLARIFY AND DELINEATE THE ROLES OF THE CHAMBER AND OF THE CITY.
AND IN THIS PRESENTATION ON ONE OF THE ITEMS UNDER THE COLUMNS OF THE CHAMBER'S RESPONSIBILITY WITH SMALL BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT, AND THEN FROM OUR TIF ONE PRESENTATION, LAST WORK SESSION, IT HAD SEVERAL SLIDES ON SMALL BUSINESS GENERAL SUPPORT AND SMALL BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM THAT THEY'RE, WE'RE GONNA PUT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS INTO AS WELL.
CAN YOU HELP CLARIFY THOSE? AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT, I READ YOU DOUBLING OUR EFFORT THERE.
I READ YOUR COMMENTS AND SO I APPRECIATE THAT.
AND AS, AS I'M DEFINING OR AS I'M UNDERSTANDING ABOUT TIFF, IT'S REALLY FOCUSED IN THE TIFF AREAS.
YOU KNOW, YOU SPEND TIFF DOLLARS FOR TIFF AND THOSE, AND REALLY THAT'S A LOT OF DOWNTOWN MM-HMM.
AND SO OUR, OUR SCOPE IS, IS CITYWIDE.
AND, UH, WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT SMALL BUSINESS, UH, I THINK THE CITY AND, AND I DON'T KNOW THE SPECIFICS OF THE TIFF TIFF, WHAT, WHAT THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE, BUT A LOT IN PAST IT'S LOOKED LIKE, YOU KNOW, INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU KNOW, FACADE IMPROVEMENTS AND THE, AND EVENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT OURS IS MUCH MORE TACTICAL.
IT'S MUCH MORE GETTING WITH THE BUSINESS AND SEEING WHERE THEY, WHERE THEY ARE.
YOU KNOW, UH, KERRY HOON AND INTRINSIC, YOU KNOW, WE WORKED WITH HIM FOR FIVE YEARS WITH, WITH, WITH SBDC BEFORE HE EVER OPENED HIS DOORS, YOU KNOW, AND SO THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
AND SO THAT OUR, OUR, OUR JOB IS REALLY ABOUT THE EDUCATION PIECE, THE EXPOSURE PIECE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE CONNECTING PIECE.
AND SO, UH, AND ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I THINK BJ WAS TALKING ABOUT, AND WHAT WILL GO ON BESIDES OUR MEETINGS WITH COUNCIL IS, IS REGULAR MEETINGS WITH, WITH CITY STAFF, YOU KNOW, AND WE STARTED THAT COVID
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KIND OF MESSED IT UP AND, AND THIS WHOLE PROCESS, BUT, BUT COMMUNICATION.SO WE ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT, WHAT THE TIF PROGRAM IS.
SO THERE WON'T BE ANY OVERLAP.
UH, SMALL BUSINESS, IF YOU WORK WITH IT, IT'S, IT'S A HUMONGOUS, BECAUSE WHAT DO YOU DEFINE SMALL BUSINESS? IS IT A STARTUP WITH TWO PEOPLE? IS IT, IS IT MARK KING WITH, WITH A HUNDRED PEOPLE WHO THE GOV GOVERNMENT CONSIDERS? THAT'S A SMALL BUSINESS.
UH, AND WE WORK WITH ALL THOSE FOLKS IN BETWEEN.
SO, UH, ONE THING YOU SAID IS CONCERNING ME, YOU SAID THERE WON'T BE ANY OVERLAP.
THEN MY QUESTION THEN TO STAFF IS, SHOULD WE TURN OVER THESE RESPONSIBILITIES FOR PROMOTING THOSE BOUND DOWNTOWN DISTRICTS, DOWNTOWN SMALL BUSINESS TO THE CHAMBER? THEY SEEM LIKE THEY'RE THE EXPERTS.
WE WON'T HAVE TO RECREATE ALL THIS INFRASTRUCTURE THEY ALREADY HAVE IN ALL THESE CONTACTS.
AND THEN SECONDLY, SHOULD SOME OF THAT TIF FUNDING GO TO SUPPORT THE CHAMBER IN THEIR ROLE TO SUPPORT SMALL BUSINESS? IF I DON'T, AGAIN, DON'T WANNA DOUBLE UP EFFORTS, IF, UH, THE CHAMBER'S DOING THAT, I THINK THERE'S A CLEAR DELINEATION IN, IN TERMS OF WHAT WILL HISTORY, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE INFRASTRUCTURE AROUND, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE USING TIF DOLLARS FOR, FOR TIP PROJECTS, IT'S REALLY CONFINED THAT WAY.
UH, I THINK JUST WORKING WITH THESE FOLKS, I'VE WORKED WITH THE ACO FOR ABOUT 20 YEARS, UH, AND, AND, AND WITH THE STAFF FOR THE WHOLE 28 YEARS THAT WE'VE HAD THIS CONTRACT.
SO I FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT WE, WE WILL COMPLIMENT, NOT, NOT CONFLICT, UH, AND IN TERMS OF THE FUNDING, Y'ALL WORKED THAT OUT.
BUT I MEAN, TO, TO CITY MANAGERS COMMENT ABOUT, ABOUT WHERE THE FUNDING IS AND BEING ADEQUATE TO DO THOSE KINDS OF JOBS.
AND SO, UH, I WOULD BE, UH, WRONG TO TAKE ON THINGS THAT ARE OUR, OUR STRENGTH IS RELATIONSHIPS AND BUILDING THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
WHEN YOU START GETTING INTO PROGRAMS LIKE FACADE AND, AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
THAT'S, THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT ANIMAL.
AND, AND Y'ALL ARE MUCH BETTER.
THAT'S A COMPLETELY SEPARATE PART OF TIFF.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THE PROGRAMS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO RUN OUTTA THE TIFF, NOT JUST THE FACADE FIRM, BUT THE SMALL BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM THAT, THAT WE HAVE.
AND AGAIN, I'M NOT, I'M NOT PRIVY TO WHAT, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, BUT TRUST US THAT, WE'LL, WE'LL FIGURE THAT OUT.
I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT WE'RE GONNA, WE ALSO COORDINATE QUARTERLY MEETINGS SO THAT WE CAN COMMUNICATE, UM, GOALS OF EACH OTHER'S PROGRAMS. I WOULD IMAGINE THAT WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO COORDINATE THAT THEY'RE COMPLIMENTARY AND NOT CONTRADICTORY.
'CAUSE UH, AS PAUL SAID THAT A LOT OF TIMES WHAT THEY'LL FOCUS ON IS GONNA BE, UM, UM, HELPING WITH MARKETING, HELPING WITH, UH, THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF BILINGUAL NEEDS.
THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF TECHNOLOGY NEEDS.
THEY'VE GOT, UH, NEEDS FOR ACCESSING, UH, FINANCIAL RESOURCES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO OUR PROGRAMS ARE NOT LIKELY TO DO THOSE SAME TYPES OF THINGS.
OURS ARE GONNA BE A LITTLE MORE TARGETED BLOCK TO BLOCK BUSINESS TO BUSINESS, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, PHYSICAL IMPROVEMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL CONTINUE TO COORDINATE THOSE EFFORTS.
UM, PAUL, I JUST WANTED TO SAY I'M, I AM REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE FULL-TIME SMALL BUSINESS EMPLOYEE COMING ON BOARD AND THE ADDITIONAL EMPHASIS ON SMALL BUSINESSES.
UM, THIS IS SOMETHING I HAVE HEARD PEOPLE ASK FOR AND MENTION AND COMMENT ON LITERALLY FOR YEARS.
SO I AM REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS.
I'M EXCITED ABOUT MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT.
AND, UH, AND YEAH, SMALL BUSINESS IS, UH, IT'S A LOT MORE, UH, UNWIELDY TO DEAL WITH.
UM, IT MOVES AROUND A LOT AND THERE'S A LOT OF PIECES.
SO, UM, YEAH, I, I COMPLETELY SEE US BEING VERY COMPLIMENTARY IN US WORKING TOGETHER ON THESE THINGS.
BUT, UM, I AM REALLY EXCITED ABOUT MOVING FORWARD WITH MORE EMPHASIS ON SMALL BUSINESS, AS ARE WE, YOU KNOW, COMPLIMENTARY AND COLLABORATIVE.
I MEAN, THIS IS TALKING TOGETHER, AND WE ALWAYS HAVE, BUT THIS GIVES US CONTRACTUALLY A FRAMEWORK TO DO THAT.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? OH, HANG ON.
I JUST KIND OF WANNA STATE MY FEELINGS.
UM,
AND WHERE I SEE THE, UM, THE DELINEATION BETWEEN WHAT THE CHAMBER DOES AND WHAT THE CITY DOES IS THE CHAMBER FOCUSES MORE ON THE SOFTER, SOFTER SIDE OF THINGS.
UM, THE RELATIONSHIP BUILDING, THE SKILLS BUILDING, THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
AND THE CITY FOCUSES MORE ON THE, THE HARD THINGS, THE TANGIBLE THINGS.
SO THAT'S WHERE I SEE THE LINE.
AND I HAVEN'T SEEN THE TWO, UM, CROSSING, BUTTING HEADS AT ALL.
IT'S REALLY WHAT I SEE AS A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT.
SO, UM, I REALLY, AND I HAVE BEEN A MEMBER OF CHAMBERS IN PROBABLY EIGHT DIFFERENT CITIES.
UM, AND I CAN TELL YOU THE HANDS DOWN BY FAR, THE, THE ONE WE HAVE HERE IN GARLAND IS, IS THE BEST.
UM, LIKE NOTHING I'VE SEEN BEFORE.
SO, YOU KNOW, I, I APPRECIATE THE RELATIONSHIP THAT THE CHAMBER HAS WITH ITS MEMBERS AND
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THE, UH, EFFORTS THEY PUT INTO MAINTAINING THOSE RELATIONSHIPS.AND I APPRECIATE THE RELATIONSHIP THE CHAMBER HAS WITH THE CITY, AND AGAIN, THE EFFORT THEY PUT INTO, UH, MAINTAINING THAT RELATIONSHIP.
AND WITH THAT, WE WILL ACTUALLY MOVE INTO OUR VERBAL BRIEFINGS,
[4.a. Discuss and consider expanding the boundaries of the Downtown | Forest Jupiter TIF(TIF#1) and extending]
DO WE NEED ANOTHER CHAIR? I'LL, I'M GOING TO SIT DOWN AFTER MY BRIEF INTRODUCTION, AND THEN IT'LL BE BRIEF.
YOU SEEM VERY SKEPTICAL, MAYOR.
BEEN DOING THIS A WHILE,
UM, IT OCCURRED TO ME AFTER THE LAST TIME I SPOKE ON THIS TOPIC, UM, THAT I SPOKE MAYBE 60 SECONDS.
AND I RECEIVED MORE FEEDBACK ON THAT SIX, ON THAT 60 SECONDS ON THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC THAN I HAVE IN YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS ON ANYTHING.
AND IT WAS FROM Y'ALL, IT WAS FROM FORMER COUNCIL MEMBERS, IT WAS FROM BOARD APPOINTEES, AND ALL OF THEM HAD THE SAME THING TO SAY.
WE JUST DIDN'T KNOW HOW THAT TIFF RELATIONSHIP WORKED OUT.
SO IT OCCURRED TO ME TONIGHT THAT IT MIGHT BE BEST IF I TAKE Y'ALL THROUGH A QUICK COUPLE OF PROVISIONS IN THE STATUTE TO KIND OF DEMONSTRATE WHAT WAS CONTEMPLATED BY THE LEGISLATURE WHEN THEY CREATED CHAPTER THREE 11 OF THE TAX CODE.
SO I'M JUST GONNA WALK Y'ALL RIGHT THROUGH THAT REAL QUICK AND THEN SHOW Y'ALL HOW THE STATUTE, UM, UM, THE ANALYSIS I HAD IN GOING THROUGH THE STATUTE AND HOW IT BREAKS UP THE DIFFERENT RESPONSIBILITIES BETWEEN THE COUNCIL AND THE TIF BOARD.
UH, THE FIRST SECTION I WANT TO DRAW A FOCUS ON, AND, AND PLEASE INTERRUPT ME AT ANY TIME, OF COURSE, UM, I KNOW Y'ALL, UM, USUALLY AREN'T HESITANT TO DO SO, SO
IT'S THE POWER OF THE CITY, IT'S POWER OF MUNICIPALITIES, AND IT SAYS THAT A CITY CAN EXERCISE ANY POWER NECESSARY AND CONVENIENT TO CARRY OUT THIS CHAPTER, INCLUDING THE POWER TO, AND THE RELEVANT PROVISION HERE IS CAUSE PROJECT PLANS TO BE PREPARED.
THAT IS DELEGATE THAT TO THE WHAT WE, WHAT WE WILL COME TO SEE THE TIF BOARD, APPROVE AND IMPLEMENT THOSE PLANS AND OTHERWISE ACHIEVE THE PURPOSES OF THE PLAN.
AND THAT'S GONNA BE THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE PLAN.
UM, AND THEN THE NEXT, UM, RELEVANT PROVISION IS, UM, 0.010, AND THAT'S THE POWERS AND DUTIES OF THE BOARD.
AND WHAT THE BOARD IS BEING CHARGED WITH IS, UM, THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF A REINVESTMENT ZONE SHALL MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE GOVERNING BODY OF THE MUNICIPALITY OR COUNTY THAT CREATED THE ZONE.
THIS IS IMP IMPORTANT LANGUAGE CONCERNING THE ADMINISTRATION OF THIS CHAPTER IN THE ZONE.
OKAY? AND WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT ADMINISTRATION HERE IN A LITTLE BIT.
IT'S, IT KIND OF RELATES BACK UP TO THE PREVIOUS PROVISION I READ ABOUT ACHIEVING THE PURPOSES OF THE PLAN AND IMPLEMENTING THE PLANS.
IT'S THIS IDEA OF MINISTERING THE, UM, UM, ZONE.
SO THERE'S THIS DISTINCTION ALREADY WE'RE STARTING TO SEE IN LAW BETWEEN ADMINISTRATION AND CREATING AND CREATING THE PLAN.
AND SO YOU GO TO THE NEXT SECTION, 0.011 A, IT TALKS ABOUT PROJECT AND FINANCING PLANS, AND WHO HAS RESPONSIBILITY OF CREATING THOSE AND ADOPTING THOSE.
AND IT'S THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE REINVESTMENT ZONE SHALL PREPARE AND ADOPT A PROJECT PLAN AND A REINVESTMENT ZONE FINANCING PLAN FOR THE ZONE, AND THEN SUBMIT THE PLANS TO THE GOVERNING BODY OF THE MUNICIPALITY OR COUNTY THAT DESIGNATED THE ZONE.
AND SO HERE, THE CHAPTER THREE 11 GIVES THAT AUTHORITY TO THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS.
AND THEN IN SUBSECTION D IT SAYS, THE GOVERNING BODY, WHICH IS YOU GUYS THAT DESIGNATED THE ZONE, MUST APPROVE A PROJECT PLAN OR A REINVESTMENT ZONE, FINDING SOME PLAN AFTER ITS ADOPTION BY THE BOARD.
NOW, THERE IS SOME AMBIGUITY IN THAT LANGUAGE, WHAT THAT MEANS.
DOES THE MUST APPROVE MEAN THAT ONCE THEY APPROVE THE, ONCE THEY CREATE THE PLAN AND THEY PROPOSE IT TO Y'ALL, Y'ALL HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO APPROVE IT? OR DOES IT MEAN THAT BEFORE IT BECOMES FINALIZED, IT HAS TO BE APPROVED? THERE'S SOME AMBIGUITY THERE AND THERE'S NO CASE LAW ON POINT TO HELP CLEAR THAT AMBIGUITY UP FOR US.
BUT WE CAN GO DOWN TO SUBSECTION E AND IT'LL HELP, I THINK, CLEAR IT UP A LITTLE BIT.
UM, UM, THE APPROVAL MUST BE DONE BY ORDINANCE IN THE CASE OF MUNICIPALITY BY ORDER IN THE CASE OF THE COUNTY THAT FINDS THE PLAN IS FEASIBLE.
SO Y'ALL'S OBLIGATION IS TO LOOK AT THE PLAN.
IF Y'ALL DETERMINED THAT THE PLAN IS FEASIBLE, THERE'S NO DEFINITION OF WHAT THAT MEANS, UM, THEN, UM, Y'ALL
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MUST APPROVE THE PLAN, GET TO SUBSECTION E AND IT SAYS, THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE ZONE AT ANY TIME MAY ADOPT AN AMENDMENT TO THE PROJECT PLAN CONSISTENT WITH THE REQUIREMENTS AND LIMITATIONS OF THIS CHAPTER.BUT THE AMENDMENT TAKES EFFECT ON APPROVAL BY THE GOVERNING BODY OF THE MUNICIPALITY OR COUNTY THAT CREATED THE ZONE.
SO THAT SEEMS TO INDICATE THAT, UM, THE APPROVAL'S NOT REQUIRED BY THE COUNCIL, BUT IT'S, IT JUST WON'T BE EFFECTIVE UNTIL IT IS.
AND WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT HOW WE'RE APPLYING THESE TO REAL LIFE HERE IN A FEW SECONDS.
THE APPROVAL MUST BE BY ORDINANCE, WHICH WE WILL DO IN THE CASE OF MUNICIPALITY OR BY ORDER IN THE CASE OF A COUNTY.
AND THEN IT TALKS ABOUT IF THE AMENDMENT REDUCES OR INCREASES THE GEOGRAPHIC AREA OF THE ZONE.
THE APPROVAL MUST BE BY ORDINANCE, UM, UM, AS APPLICABLE AND ADOPTED AFTER A PUBLIC HEARING THAT SATISFIED THE PROCEDURAL REQUIREMENTS OF SUBSECTION OH OH THREE C AND D.
AND THEN THERE'S A, A SPECIFIC SECTION THAT TALKS ABOUT CHANGING BOUNDARIES, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT AND ALSO THE TERM.
AND, UM, IT SAYS THAT SUBJECT TO THE LIMITATIONS PROVIDED BY 0.006, THE BOUNDARIES OF AN EXISTING REINVESTMENT ZONE MAY BE REDUCED OR ENLARGED BY ORDINANCE OR RESOLUTION OF THE GOVERNING BODY OF THE MUNICIPALITY.
SO IT SEEMS TO GRANT COUNSEL THE ABILITY TO DO THAT UNILATERALLY.
UM, AND THEN SUBSECTION C, THE GOVERNING BODY OF THE MUNICIPALITY OR COUNTY THAT DESIGNATED A REINVESTMENT ZONE BY ORDINANCE MAY EXTEND THE TERM OF ALL OR PORTION OF THE ZONE AFTER NOTICE AND A HEARING IN THE MANNER PROVIDED FOR THE DESIGNATION IN THE ZONE.
AND SO THIS IS THE APPLICATION OF ALL THAT THAT I JUST READ.
THESE ARE THE ROLES THAT THE, THAT CHAPTER THREE 11 GIVES TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
YOU CREATE THE ZONE BY ORDINANCE.
YOU APPOINT MEMBERS OF THE BOARD THEIR TWO YEAR TERMS BY STATE LAW.
AND THEN THE COUNCIL APPROVES PROJECT PLANS AND FINANCING PLANS, AND THEN Y'ALL ADMINISTER THE PLAN.
Y'ALL SET UP GUIDELINES AND SET POLICIES TO ADMINISTER THE PLAN, AND THEN Y'ALL CAN CHANGE BOUNDARIES AND EXTEND THE TERM UNILATERALLY.
THE ROLE OF THE BOARD IS MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS CONCERNING ADMINISTRATION OF THE ZONE, PREPARE AND ADOPT PROJECT AND FINANCE PLANS, AND MAKE AMENDMENTS TO THE PLAN.
UM, AND THEN IN SUMMARY, I THINK WHAT BEST DESCRIBES CHAPTER THREE 11, IT CONTEMPLATES THAT ONCE THE COUNCIL CREATES A TIF ZONE AND APPOINTS A BOARD, THERE'S THIS SYMBIOTIC RELATIONSHIP.
ONE CAN'T WORK WITHOUT THE OTHER.
THE COUNCIL CAN'T CREATE PLANS, CAN'T IMPLEMENT PLANS UNLESS THE BOARD CREATES THE PLAN AND PRESENTS IT TO Y'ALL.
CHAPTER THREE 11 DOES NOT GRANT THE COUNCIL THE AUTHORITY TO CREATE ANY PLANS.
IN FACT, IT'S CLEARLY THE OTHER WAY AROUND, HOWEVER, SO WHERE'S THE AUTHORITY OF THE COUNCIL COME IN? IT COMES IN PRETTY SUBSTANTIALLY.
Y'ALL HAVE TO MAINTAIN THE POWER OF APPOINTMENT, WHO SITS ON THE BOARD WHAT THE COMPOSITION OF THE BOARD LOOKS LIKE, AND A PURSE, BOTH THE ADMINISTRATION AND THE BUDGET.
SO EACH YEAR, IF THEY PRESENT, IF THE BOARD PRESENTS A PLAN TO YOU GUYS AND Y'ALL DON'T LOCK IT, THEN THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE MONEY TO IMPLEMENT THE PLAN.
UM, AND OF COURSE, Y'ALL ALSO HAVE THE UNILATERAL AUTHORITY TO EXPAND OR REDUCE THE TIFF AREA AND EXTEND THE TERM.
AND Y'ALL DON'T NEED TO HAVE PERMISSION FROM THE BOARD.
I'M NOT SAYING YOU SHOULDN'T GET IT, I'M SAYING BY LAW YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE PERMISSION OF, UH, FROM THE BOARD TO EXPAND THE TIFF AREA, UM, BECAUSE OF THE WAY THIS PARTICULAR TIFF WAS SET UP ORIGINALLY.
ANY QUESTIONS? DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM MOORE.
SO OFTEN WHEN I'M SITTING AND LISTENING TO THESE TYPES OF DISCUSSIONS, ESPECIALLY AS IT RELATES TO LAW, IT SOUND LIKE SUCH A PLAY ON WORDS, SUCH A PLAY ON INTERPRETATION, SUCH A PLAY
I KEEP SEEING THE WORDS, UH, RECOMMEND PRETTY MUCH THE WAY THAT I SEE MOST BOARDS THAT, UH, SERVE THE COUNCIL.
AND THEN WHEN YOU COME TO SAYING THAT IT IS THE TIFF THAT SETS, ESTABLISHES, AND THEN WE HAVE TO ABIDE BY WHAT THEY SAY ARE, I'M STILL NOT GETTING THAT.
IT'S JUST NOT, IT'S JUST NOT, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT YES, WE DO HAVE THIS SYMBIOTIC RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM, AND WE, I THINK THAT RELATIONSHIP IS QUITE OBVIOUS AND WE HAVE TO HAVE IT, BUT I STILL SEE THAT THIS BOARD IS NOT ESTABLISHING, NOT SETTING ANYTHING.
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RECOMMENDING TO US AND IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY ONCE THEY RECOMMEND TO APPROVE OR NOT TO APPROVE.IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? THAT'S NOT WHAT THE LAW SAYS.
I, I, I, I THINK I UNDERSTAND YOUR SENTIMENT.
WHAT THE LAW SAYS IS THAT THEY HAVE THE AUTHORITY UNDER CHAPTER THREE 11 TO CREATE THE PLAN AND THAT PRESENT THAT PLAN TO YOU, THE COUNSEL FOR APPROVAL.
AND THE PLAN DOESN'T GET IMPLEMENTED UNTIL Y'ALL APPROVE IT, BUT THEY CREATE THE PLAN.
IF THE COUNCIL HAS NO AUTHORITY TO CREATE A PLAN, THEY CAN ONLY VOTE ON WHAT'S PRESENTED TO THEM FROM THE TIF BOARD.
AND SO THAT'S THE IDEA OF THE SYMBIOTIC RELATIONSHIP COUNCIL CAN'T ACT WITHOUT THE BOARD, AND THE BOARD CERTAINLY CAN'T ACT WITHOUT COUNSEL.
BUT DID WE NOT AS A BOARD CREATE THE PARAMETERS BY WHICH TIFF THIS HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED? DID WE NOT SET THE STAGE FOR THEM IN THE WAY OF THIS IS WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR, THIS THIS IS WHAT WE WANT YOU TO LOOK AT.
IN OTHER WORDS, WE WE, DID WE NOT DO THAT BROADLY? YES.
UM, BUT NO MATTER WHAT POLICY THAT THE COUNCIL SETS, WHETHER BY ORDINANCE OR JUST BY POLICY, OR EVEN BY CHARTER, QUITE FRANKLY, UM, NO MATTER WHAT THAT MAY SAY, STATE LAW WILL ALWAYS CONTROL.
AND STATE LAW DEFINES THE PARAMETERS AS FAR AS, AS FAR AS ROLES GO BETWEEN WHAT THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE BOARD IS VERSUS THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF COUNCIL.
AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN AMEND.
WELL, AND AND I AGREE WITH THAT, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING BASED ON WHAT I'M READING AND BASED ON WHAT YOU JUST WENT THROUGH, I SEE STATE LAW ACTUALLY GIVING US THE CREDENTIALS THAT YOU'RE SAYING WE DON'T HAVE, BUT YOU ARE THE INTERPRETER THERE.
SO, BUT I, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY FOR MYSELF, BUT I'M, I'M OKAY WITH IF IN FACT, YOU SIT THERE AND SAY TO ME THAT YOU AS COUNSEL
AND GUESS WHAT? ALL I NEED TO KNOW IS HOW THE GAME IS PLAYED.
AND THESE ARE REALLY THE, THE CRITICAL DOCUMENTS THAT THE TIF BOARD HAS BEEN, UM, CHARGED WITH ADOPTING OR PREPARING.
AND, AND IT'S CLEAR STATE LAW IS PRETTY CLEAR HERE.
THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF REINVESTMENT ZONE SHALL PREPARE AND ADOPT THE PROJECT PLAN AND A REINVESTMENT ZONING FINANCE PLAN FOR THE ZONE, AND THEN SUBMIT THOSE PLANS TO THE GOVERNING BODY OF THE MUNICIPALITY THAT DESIGNATED THE ZONE.
AND THEN SUB SUBSECTION D SAYS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL, THE GOVERNING BODY MUST APPROVE A PROJECT PLAN OR REINVESTMENT ZONE FINANCING PLAN AFTER IT'S ADOPTED BY THE BOARD.
SO NOWHERE IN THAT LANGUAGE IS THERE ANY LANGUAGE THAT SAYS THE COUNCIL IS TO, UH, UM, IMP UH, CREATE, PREPARE, AND ADOPT THE PLAN.
IT'S Y'ALL APPROVED THE PLAN THAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED TO Y'ALL BY THE BOARD, OKAY? AND I'M OKAY WITH THAT BECAUSE IN THE END, WE STILL HAVE THE POWER TO ABSOLUTELY ACCEPT OR TO NOT.
THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO VERIFY TOO.
THAT PART D RIGHT THERE, THAT MUST IN THAT THREE 11, YES.
AND IF THE TIFF BOARD COMES TO US AND SAYS, WE WANT TO TEAR DOWN OUR NEWLY BUILT SQUARE AND BUILT TAJ MAHAL IN THE MIDDLE OF IT, WE DO NOT HAVE TO APPROVE THAT.
CORRECT? I, I, I BELIEVE THAT'S THE MOST REASONABLE WAY I LOOKED AT THAT LANGUAGE, AND I THOUGHT THAT'S A, THAT'S A PROBLEMATIC WORD.
BUT YOU KNOW, THE LEGISLATURE WRITES BAD STATUTE
AND IF YOU LOOK AT SUBSECTION E WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT THE AMENDMENT WON'T TAKE EFFECT UNTIL APPROVAL BY Y'ALL, I TAKE THAT TO MEAN ALSO THE ORIGINAL PLAN WOULDN'T TAKE EFFECT UNTIL Y'ALL APPROVE IT.
AND SO, YES, I AGREE THAT, UM, YOU, I DON'T THINK Y'ALL ARE MANDATED.
IN OTHER WORDS, I DON'T THINK THE BOARD COULD TAKE YOU TO A COURT AND THEN BY ORDER OF MANUS FROM THE COURT, UM, ORDER Y'ALL TO APPROVE THE PLAN.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE CASE AT ALL.
SO WE STILL GET UP OR DOWN, RIGHT? BUT THE PLAN IS AS PRESENTED FROM AS APPROVED BY THE BOARD, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE ON? I SEE NONE.
SEE HOW FAST HE MOVES?
I'M JOSEPH SCHROEDER, THE CHAIR OF TIF BOARD NUMBER ONE, AND, UH, WITH THE COMMENTS OF LAST MEETING, I WILL TURN OVER OUR UPDATED AN EXPANSION OF THE TIFF, ALLOW MR. MATT TO EXPLAIN THE, THE UPDATES TO YOU.
AND I WILL REMAIN HERE FOR ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
NOW THAT BRIAN'S MADE EVERYTHING CLEAR AS MUD, I'LL GO OVER AND EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW TIFF'S WORK AND, AND, AND THE FINANCING MECHANISMS ON HOW THE, THE, THE, THIS ACTUALLY GETS REVENUE.
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SO TAXING REAL FINANCE, WHAT IS THAT REALLY ALLS IT IS, IS A FINANCING TOOL.IT'S A, IT'S AN A TOOL THAT WE HAVE IN OUR TOOLBOX OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO DRIVE REVENUE TO A SURFACE CERTAIN GEOGRAPHIC AREA.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE DEFINITION OF FINANCING TOOL BY WHICH LOCAL GOVERNMENTS CAN FINANCE NEEDED IMPROVEMENTS OR ENHANCE SERVICES WITHIN A DEFINED AREA CALLED A REINVESTMENT ZONE.
AND HOW IT WORKS CAN BE SEEN IN THIS CHART.
SO IT, I'LL USE THE EXAMPLE OF THE DOWNTOWN FOREST JUPITER TIFF.
IT STARTED IN 2004, AND AT THAT TIME, VALUES IN THAT GEOGRAPHIC AREA WERE ABOUT 102 MILLION.
SO YOU SEE THAT BASE REAL PROPERTY VALUE.
SO IN 2004, THAT BECOMES YOUR BASE.
SO THAT $102 MILLION, WHATEVER TAX PROPERTY TAX REVENUES GENERATED OFF, THAT STAYS FOR GENERAL PURPOSES.
AND WHAT I MEAN FOR THAT GOES TO THE GENERAL FUND OR GOES TO THE DEBT SERVICE FUND BASED ON HOW COUNCIL APPROVES THE TAX RATE.
BUT OVER TIME, WHAT HAPPENS IS, IS ANY INCREASES IN THE VALUES OF THE PROPERTY THAT ARE WITHIN THAT GEOGRAPHIC ZONE GOES TO THE TIFF FUND.
SO FOR THE DOWNTOWN TIFF, LIKE I SAID, THE BASE VALUE YEAR WAS 102 MILLION.
IT HAS CAPTURED 222 MILLION OF INCREASE PROPERTY GROWTH, EITHER THROUGH NEW CONSTRUCTION SUCH AS THE FIFTH STREET CROSSING, OR, UH, THE, THE APARTMENT COMPLEX OFF EDGEWOOD THAT'S IN THE FOREST JUPITER AREA.
ALL THAT COMES IN TO BE USED FOR REVITALIZATION WITHIN THAT ZONE.
AND I, I WANTED ALSO THE, THE LITTLE SQUARE BOX SHOWS THE SIMPLE CALCULATION ON HOW THIS IS DETERMINED.
SO YOU HAVE YOUR CAPPER CAPTURED ASSESS VALUE, WHICH I SAID WAS 222 MILLION, DIVIDED BY 100 TIMES.
THE TAX RATE IS, YOU KNOW, OUR TAX RATE RIGHT NOW IS ABOUT 68 CENTS TIMES THE CAPTURED PERCENTAGE.
AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS, IS EACH GOVERNING ENTITY, EACH TAXING ENTITY CAN PLEDGE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THEIR TAX RATE.
WE HAVE ALWAYS PLEDGED A HUNDRED PERCENT, AND THAT'S WHAT'S BEEN PROPOSED TO CONTINUE FOR THE DOWNTOWN TIFF.
UH, WE ALSO HAVE DALLAS COUNTY PARTICIPATING AT 55% OF THEIR TAX RATE AND DALLAS COLLEGE AT 50% OF THEIR TAX RATE.
SO FROM, THAT'S HOW YOU GET YOUR INCREMENTAL REVENUE EACH YEAR FOR THIS FUND.
AND BRIAN DID A GOOD JOB OF GOING OVER THE RESPONSIBILITIES.
BUT THE, THE REAL, TO ME, THE REAL PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY OF THE TIF BOARD IS THIS PROJECT AND FINANCING PLAN AND MAKING THAT RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL AND CITY COUNCIL'S RESPONSIBILITY IS TO APPROVE THAT PROJECT PLAN.
BUT I ALSO WANT TO TOUCH ON A LITTLE BIT WHEN BRIAN WAS TALKING ABOUT Y'ALL HOLD THE PURSE EACH YEAR, THESE TIF FUNDS COME FORWARD IN THE OPERATING BUDGET FOR APPROVAL.
SO THAT IS WHERE Y'ALL CAN'T APPROVE OR DENY WHAT GETS EX SPENT OUT OF THIS TIF EACH YEAR.
SO THAT, THAT, THAT IS THE TIME AS WELL AS OUR CIP PROCESS.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO SPEND ANY MONEY WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THAT ANNUAL APPROPRIATION WITH CITY COUNCIL.
I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE TYPES OF TIFFS.
AND, AND ONE OF 'EM IS WHAT I CALL A PAY AS YOU USE.
AND WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS MORE OF WHAT WE'RE WE SAW AT THE I 30 TIFF, AND THIS IS THE TYPICAL STRUCTURE OF A TIFF.
WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO DO AS A DEVELOPER HAS COME WITH A DEVELOPMENT AND HAS ASKED FOR SOME ASSISTANCE FROM THE CITY, AND YOU ESTABLISH A TIFF TO HELP THEM EITHER HELP THEM EITHER FINANCE THE PROJECT OR YOU FINANCE SOME PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE AROUND THAT PROJECT TO HELP THEIR BOTTOM LINE.
BUT AS THEY BUILD, THAT INCREMENT COMES IN TO THE TIF TO BE USED TO SERVICE EITHER THAT DEBT OR PAY THE DEVELOPER THAT THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE.
SO THIS IS SIMILAR TO HOW THE BASS PRO IS STRUCTURED, AND THIS IS THE MOST COMMON WAY TIFFS ARE SET UP.
YOU CAN ALSO SET 'EM UP AS A PAY AS YOU GO.
AND THIS IS HOW DOWNTOWN IS SET UP.
PAY AS YOU GO MEANS AS YOU GET THE MONEY, AS YOU GET THE CASH, YOU ESTABLISH PROJECTS THAT GO THROUGH THE PROJECT AND FINANCE PLAN PROCESS AND THEN THROUGH THE ANNUAL OPERATING BUDGET PROCESS TO GET THOSE PROJECTS ACCOMPLISHED.
THIS IS A LITTLE BIT SLOWER OF A PROCESS, BUT OVER TIME WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS, IS MUCH MORE, MUCH LESS RISK BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT BANKING ON A DEVELOPER DOING ALL THIS DEVELOPMENT.
I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ALSO ABOUT HOW THE TIFF HAS PERFORMED.
SO, LIKE I SAID, THIS TIFF WAS STARTED IN 2004, AND WHAT THIS GRAPH IS SHOWING IS THE CUMULATIVE INCREASE IN THE VALUATION IN MILLION IN MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OVER THE LAST
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19 YEARS.AND YOU'LL SEE IN 2008, THAT IS WHEN THE GREAT RECESSION HAPPENED, THE TIFF ACTUALLY LOST VALUE.
SO JUST AS YOU GAIN VALUE, A TIFF CAN LOSE VALUE IF, IF PROPERTY VALUES GO START MOVING THE WRONG DIRECTION.
SO IT REALLY WASN'T UNTIL ABOUT 2018 THAT THIS TIFF REALLY TOOK OFF.
SO YOU SEE IN THE FIRST 14 YEARS, IT ACCUMULATED ABOUT 98 MILLION OF NEW VALUE IN THE AREA.
AND SINCE 2018, IT'S GOT 124 MILLION OF NEW VALUE, WHICH IS THE WORK OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE FIFTH STREET CROSSINGS COMING ONLINE, ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS, THE BANK OF AMERICA BUILDING THAT WAS RE REDONE.
SO THAT'S ALL THAT COMING ONLINE AND THE ECONOMY JUST STARTING TO BOOM AGAIN.
SO WHAT HAVE WE SPENT THIS MONEY ON? SO SINCE 2004, THE TIFF HAS GOT ABOUT $13.3 MILLION OF ACTUAL REAL REVENUE.
AND IT KIND OF ALL STARTED WITH THE OAKS.
FIFTH STREET CROSSING WAS PRETTY MUCH THE FIRST PROJECT THAT CAME OUT AS, AS WELL AS THE CITY CENTER DEVELOPMENT.
WE'VE ALSO, OVER TIME, THROUGH THE ANNUAL OPERATING BUDGET, ESTABLISHED THE DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT OFFICE, WHICH IS LETICIA'S OFFICE AND ALL OF THE ENHANCED PROGRAMMING THAT GOES ON WITH THAT, WHICH IS THE MANAGED DISTRICT SERVICES.
WE STARTED A FACADE IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM TO ASSIST, UH, DOWNTOWN AREA HISTORICAL BUILDINGS TO, TO HELP REVAMP THE FACADES OF THOSE BUILDINGS.
UH, THERE'S BEEN SOME PUBLIC ART.
WE, IN 2020, WE EXPANDED, UH, THE TIFF TO ENCOMPASS MONTGOMERY PARK, WHICH IS WHAT THAT FOREST JUPITER PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS ARE.
AND WE'VE ALSO ASSISTED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SQUARE FOR A TOTAL OF 13.3 MILLION.
WITH THAT, I'M GONNA LET LETICIA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE TIFF MEETING THAT WE HAD LAST WEEK IN, IN THE NEW PROPOSAL THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT FORTH TODAY.
UH, SO JUST KIND OF TO CON CONTINUE LAYING THE FOUNDATION FOR YOUR DISCUSSION THIS EVENING, WE JUST WANTED TO RECAP ON WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
SO CURRENTLY THE ZONE FOR THE, UM, DOWNTOWN FOREST JUPITER TIFF IS DISPLAYED HERE ON THE SCREEN.
AND AS MATT MENTIONED, OUR MOST RECENT EXPANSION OF THAT ZONE WAS TO INCLUDE, UM, MONTGOMERY PARK BACK IN 2020.
SO FUNDS FROM THE TIFF WERE THEN ALLOCATED TO SUPPLEMENT THE PLAYGROUND REPLACEMENT PROGRAM.
AND THE $460,000 THAT WENT TOWARDS THAT PROJECT WERE, UM, IN, THEY BROUGHT A PUBLIC RESTROOM FACILITY TO FRUITION.
WE ADDED SECURITY LIGHTING SEATING IN A GAME AREA AND IMPROVED THE SOCCER FIELDS AND THEN SOME OTHER AMENITIES AS WELL.
SO THIS IS WHERE YOUR, UM, BOUNDARY STAND TODAY, PRE THE PROPOSALS.
SO THIS SLIDE REPRESENTS WHERE WE WERE WITH THE PROPOSAL THAT WE CAME FORWARD WITH IN NOVEMBER.
AND JUST AGAIN, A RECAP ON ON WHERE WE LEFT OFF, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE PURPLE BOUNDARIES ILLUSTRATE THAT EXISTING ZONE AND THEN THE BLUE BOUNDARIES, UM, ILLUSTRATE THE PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED ADDITIONS, AND THAT WAS LIMITED TO THE EAST END OF THE DISTRICT, AND, UM, CONSIDERED THE TIMELINE OF A 20 YEAR MODEL, BRINGING THE ESTIMATED TOTAL RESOURCES TO BE PROGRAMMED OVER THAT 20 YEARS TO JUST UNDER $51 MILLION.
SO FOLLOWING SUCH GREAT FEEDBACK FROM COUNCIL, AT OUR LAST MEETING, WE DID FOLLOW UP WITH THE TIF BOARD AND TAKE EVERYTHING THAT THE, THE COUNCIL HAD ASKED THEM TO CONSIDER, UM, AND FOR FORWARD WITH A RECOMMENDATION.
SO WITH THIS SLIDE, YOU'LL SEE THAT WE MAINTAIN THAT 20 YEAR MODEL, AS WAS DISCUSSED AT OUR LAST MEETING, SEEMED TO BE OF CONSENSUS WITH THE, WITH THE COUNCIL AND LOOKING AT THE EAST END OF THE DISTRICT.
WE DID INCLUDE PHASE THREE OF THE DRAPER PROJECT, WHICH WAS NOT PREVIOUSLY INCLUDED.
UM, AND THEN LOOKING BACK TO THE 2013 REDEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE FOREST JUPITER AREA, WE WERE ABLE TO IDENTIFY SOME GREAT OPPORTUNITIES DOWN THERE.
UM, AND PARTICULARLY THE PLAN CALLS OUT THE JUPITER WALNUT RETAIL TARGETED INVESTMENT AREA.
AND THE SMALL POP OUTS THAT YOU SEE ARE HERE, HERE IN THE BOTTOM.
UM, THE BLUE PARCELS OR BLUE BOUNDARIES REPRESENT THE PREVIOUS PROPOSAL, READ THE, THE REVISED PROPOSALS ADDITIONS FOR THIS EVENING.
AND IN PARTICULAR ON THE FOREST JUPITER END.
UM, THE, THE WALNUT, THE JUPITER WALNUT RETAIL TARGET INVESTMENT AREA INCLUDES SEVERAL SMALL RETAIL RESTAURANT AND PERSONAL SERVICE PROPERTIES.
SO THAT'S, UM, A GREAT BIT OF OPPORTUNITY THERE.
MAINTAINING THE 20 YEAR MODEL ARE, UH, ESTIMATED TOTAL RESOURCES UNDER THIS PROPOSAL COME IN JUST UNDER 52 MILLION.
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SO THIS SLIDE JUST REPRESENTS A GOOD SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON.SO AGAIN, THE PREVIOUS PROPOSAL, UM, JUST UNDER $51 MILLION, AND THEN THE REVISED PROPOSAL WITH JUST UNDER $52 MILLION FOR TOTAL RESOURCES TO BE PROGRAMMED OVER THE NEXT 20, THE NEXT 20 YEARS.
KEY ELEMENTS FROM THIS PROPOSAL ARE THAT WE WOULD, UM, EXPAND THE AREA OF THE REVIT REVITALIZATION PROGRAM TO THE FOREST JUPITER END OF THE TIF, AND INCREASE THE REVITALIZATION PROGRAMMING BY A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THAT ADDITIONAL FUNDING THAT COMES IN, UM, WITH THIS REVISED PROPOSAL AND PROGRAM THAT INTO THE REVITALIZATION PROGRAM.
AND IF YOU WILL ACTUALLY HIT THE I YOU HIT CONTROL.
SO THIS IS THE PREVIOUS PROPOSAL THAT WE CAME FORWARD WITH, AND IF YOU SLIDE THE BAR OVER, YOU'LL SEE THE FORWARD JUPITER, THE FOREST JUPITER, UM, EXPANSION INCLUDED AS WELL.
SO PREVIOUS, OKAY, DO IT JUST FOR THE KICKS.
MATT, DO YOU WANNA DO IT
I'M JUST GONNA X OUT
THAT'S, THAT'S GREAT ILLUSTRATION.
ALL ALL KIDDING ASIDE, GO AHEAD.
SO BEFORE WE DIG INTO, UM, THIS FORECAST FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS, WE JUST WANTED TO BRING TO COUNCIL'S AT ATTENTION SOME FUNDS OR EXISTING COMMITMENTS THAT ARE TIED TO TIF ONE.
SO PEDESTRIAN ROUTES TO THE FOREST JUPITER DART STATION COMES TO THE TUNE OF ABOUT $5.4 MILLION.
AND THAT'S THROUGH YOUR CIP, UM, PROJECT PROCESS IMPROVEMENTS TO SIXTH STREET AVENUES, F AND E, THE ACQUISITION OF FI FIVE 19 MAIN STREET, AND THEN STAFF AND OPERATIONS FOR MANAGED DISTRICT SERVICES.
SO THESE ARE ENCUMBERED FUNDS TIED TO, UM, TIF ONE AS OF TODAY.
SO THIS SLIDE IS REALLY JUST TO OFFER SOME CLARITY ON SOME ELEMENTS THAT WE TOUCHED ON AT OUR LAST MEETING, AND REALLY TO KIND OF OUTLINE WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE THESE PROJECT AREAS THAT MAIN MAINTAIN FLEXIBILITY FOR SPENDING, UM, TIF DOLLARS.
SO ON THE LEFT YOU SEE EXISTING PROJECTS IN THE CURRENT TIF PLAN THAT IS ADOPTED.
YOU HAVE THESE, UM, PROJECT AREAS, AND ON THE RIGHT YOU'LL SEE THE PROPOSED PROJECT AREAS THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE REVISED PLAN.
SO SOME KEY ELEMENTS OR, UM, UH, PROJECTS TO CALL OUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND DEBT.
THOSE, UM, OBLIGATIONS HAVE BEEN FULFILLED, SO THEY'LL BE DROPPED FROM THE PROGRAM AREAS.
MANAGED DISTRICT SERVICES CARRIES OVER THE FACADE IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, TRANSITIONS OFFICIALLY INTO THE REVITALIZATION PROGRAM AND SMALL BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT.
AND TO OFFER SOME CLARITY THERE, UM, THE FACADE IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM WAS ORIGINALLY LIMITED TO EXTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS ONLY PER THE TIF BOARD RECOMMENDATION AND COUNCIL DIRECTION.
THAT PROGRAM WAS EXPANDED TO INCLUDE INTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS AS WELL.
UM, AND THEN AS WE HAD PRESENTED AT THE LAST MEETING, THE VISION THERE WITH SMALL BUSINESSES, SMALL BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT IS TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT NOT ALL SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS ARE IN THE POSITION TO MAKE SUCH LARGE IMPROVEMENTS INTO THEIR PROPERTY FROM A, A FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE.
SO WE ENVISION THIS OPPORTUNITY AS A WAY TO, UM, CREATE TARGETED AND CURATED SMALL BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS. AND THEN ONE MORE POINT OF CLARIFICATION ON THE, UM, PROPOSED PROJECT AREAS, WHEREAS PREVIOUSLY FOREST JUPITER PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS AND DOWNTOWN IMPROVEMENTS WERE SEPARATED, THEY WOULD BE COMBINED INTO ONE BUCKET, ONE BUCKET FOR TIFF IMPROVEMENTS AND REDEVELOPMENT.
SO AGAIN, MAINTAINING THAT FLEXIBILITY, CREATING A LANE TO BE ABLE TO ACT ON OPPORTUNITIES AS THEY ARISE OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS.
SO IN THIS SLIDE, WORKING WITH THE REVISED PROPOSED PROJECT AREAS, WE'LL WALK THROUGH WHAT AT THIS POINT IN TIME WE FORECAST IS OUR FINANCIAL OPPORTUNITIES OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS.
AND AS, AS MATT MENTIONED, KEEP IN MIND THIS IS JUST TO FORECAST.
UM, OUR OPPORTUNITY TO ACT ON SOME OF THESE PROJECTS WILL BE PRESENTED TO YOU ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, AND THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS ASSOCIATED WITH THEM WILL FLUCTUATE BASED ON INCREMENTAL PROPERTY VALUE.
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MANAGED DISTRICT SERVICES.SO THIS IS DDOS OPERATIONS AND STAFF BUCKET, BUT AS, AS WELL, WE USE THIS PROGRAM AREA TO PARTNER WITH THE CHAMBER AND SMALL BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT ON A BROADCAST APPROACH, IF YOU WILL.
AND, UM, COORDINATE PLACEMAKING EFFORTS AND MARKET ASSESSMENTS AS NEEDED.
ENHANCED SQUARE PROGRAMMING, THIS IS PARTICULAR TO DISTRICT-WIDE ACTIVATION IN DOWNTOWN.
SO REALLY ENCOURAGING FOOT TRAFFIC AND COMMERCE WITH OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES.
IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR INTERDEPARTMENTAL COLLABORATION AND THIRD PARTY EVENT ENHANCEMENTS.
SO PARTNERSHIPS WITH THE LIBRARY, UM, HERITAGE CROSSING SPECIAL EVENTS, AND, UM, THE LOCAL BUSINESS ASSOCIATION AS WELL.
I'D LIKE TO CALL OUT THAT THESE LAST THREE BUCKETS ARE OUR MOST FLEXIBLE BUCKETS.
SO EACH OF THE BUCKETS WE'LL WE'LL DIP INTO NOW MAY BE USED WITHIN ANY AREA OF THE TIP, WHETHER IT BE THE EAST END OR THE WEST END OF THE DISTRICT.
AGAIN, TIFF IMPROVEMENTS AND REDEVELOPMENTS.
SO THIS IS WHERE WE PROPOSE HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY TEST THE CAPACITY OF THE DISTRICT WITH INFRASTRUCTURE ASSESSMENTS.
UM, ENCOURAGE WAY FINDING SIGNAGE WHERE NEEDED, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS, LAND ACQUISITION AND PROPERTY REDEVELOPMENT AS OP OPPORTUNITIES ARISE, REVITALIZATION PROGRAM AND SMALL BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT.
THIS IS THE BUCKET WHERE WE PROPOSE TO, UM, PROGRAM THE ADDITIONAL RESOURCES THAT WOULD BE CAPTURED WITH THE REVISED PROPOSAL EXPANSION AND TARGET THIS INTO PROPERTY REINVESTMENT AND REALLY THE LONGEVITY OF PHYSICAL ASSETS THROUGH THEIR PROJECT COMPLETION.
AND AGAIN, ONCE WE ARE ABLE TO ASSESS WHETHER OR NOT, UM, PROPERTY OWNERS MIGHT BE IN A POSITION TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT PROGRAM, UH, GOING OUT AND CURTAILING PROGRAMS THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO THEM FOR THEIR MOMENT OR FOR THEIR PRESENT TIMELINE OF THEIR BUSINESS AND PUBLIC ART, JUST TRULY CAPTURING THE OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE A SENSE OF PLACE THROUGHOUT THE DISTRICT AS WELL.
SO THIS EVENING COUNCIL, UM, WE BRING TO YOU A RECOMMENDATION THAT WAS UNANIMOUS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED BY THE TIF BOARD AND WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT IT TO YOU FOR CONSIDERATION.
UM, SOME KEY PIECES THERE IS, AGAIN, MAINTAINING THAT PROPOSAL OF AN EXTENDED TIMELINE OF 20 YEARS ENDING IN 2044.
THE EXPANDED BOUNDARIES ON, UM, BOTH ENDS OF THE TIF ARE UPDATED REVENUE PROJECTIONS AND CAPTURED VALUES, AND THEN THE PROJECTS, UH, DESCRIPTIONS THAT WE WALK THROUGH.
I'D ALSO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION THAT SHOULD WE GET DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL TO GO FORWARD THIS EVENING WITH THIS EXPANDED FOOTPRINT, WE WOULD BE UPDATING, UM, THE PROJECT AND FINANCE PLAN AND HAVE THAT TO YOU FOR A FORMAL REVIEW BEFORE THE, UH, PROPOSED DECEMBER 12TH MEETING.
I JUST WANTED TO ADD ON THIS, UM, REMEMBER THAT THIS IS JUST BASED ON ESTIMATES.
THESE NUMBERS WILL CHANGE, AND AS BRIAN WAS TALKING ABOUT, THERE WILL BE AMENDMENTS TO THIS PLAN.
OUR INTENT IS TO JUST CONTINUE THE PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE AND THEN BE ABLE TO HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO STRIKE WHEN AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITY COMES UPON ITSELF, EITHER FOR JUPITER OR WHEREVER COUNCIL IS WANTING IT WITHIN THIS GEOGRAPHIC AREA.
ALL RIGHT, WE'LL OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS.
UH, COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMS. THANK YOU, MAYOR.
UH, JUST A GENERAL GREAT PRESENTATION.
UM, MY QUESTION IS, SINCE, UH, FOREST JUPITER CAME OUTTA, CAME OUTTA THE SHOOT, IT'S A TRANSIT AREA DEVELOPMENT, UH, MATT, UM, DOCTOR'S PARTICIPATION, AND IF, IF, IF THAT COMES TO FRUITION, WHAT IMPACT, CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION EARLY ON IN THE AREA AND IT WAS PRETTY MUCH BILLED AS A TRANSIT AREA DEVELOPMENT AREA, BUT I'VE HEARD SO FAR VERY LITTLE ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR PARTNER.
SO IF IN FACT SOMETHING MATERIALIZES WITH THEM, WHAT IF, WHAT IMPACT WOULD IT HAVE ON WHAT WE'VE SEEN AND HEARD TONIGHT, MATT? WELL, AS FAR AS THE T THE TIFF IS CONCERNED, THE DART CANNOT PARTICIPATE IN THE TIFF IS 'CAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY PROPERTY VALUES TO PUT TALKING ABOUT MOSTLY.
SO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A, A, A CONCEPT WHERE THEY, WE PARTNER WITH THEM IN SOME SORT OF AGREEMENT FOR, UH, TO BUILD, BUILD SOME SORT OF STRUCTURE OR MULTIFAMILY, WHATEVER IT MAY BE, WHICH WOULD INCREASE THE VALUES OF THE TIFF TO ALLOW US TO MAYBE PUT IN OUR MATCH TOWARDS THAT PROJECT.
UH, I'M NOT AWARE OF OF A PROJECT LIKE THAT
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IN, IN THE WORKS WITH DART IN THAT AREA, BUT THAT'S HOW IT COULD BE USED.ARE THOSE DISCUSSIONS STILL ON THE HORIZON? NOT THAT THEY'VE TAKEN PLACE, BUT IS, ARE THOSE STILL FUTURE ITEMS ON THE CHECKLIST? YEAH, I, I DON'T THINK IT'S A MATTER OF WHETHER DART'S AT THE TABLE.
I THINK IT'S MORE OF A PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT ISSUE.
I, I THINK THE, AND, AND WE'VE, YOU KNOW, AKA WAS HERE AND ANDY, WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE EXPLORED DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIPS IN THAT AREA AND, AND THERE'S, AT THIS TIME, THERE'S NOT INTEREST WITHIN THIS 20 YEAR WINDOW.
I HAVE FULL CONFIDENCE THAT THERE'S GONNA BE SOME INTEREST.
AND SO EXTENDING THE TIFF AND HAVING THAT BUCKET, UH, OF FUNDING AVAILABLE IN THE FUTURE, UH, THAT'S GONNA BE A GREAT TOOL TO HAVE.
UM, YOU KNOW, DART IS VERY OPEN THAT THEY WANT TO USE THEIR LAND FOR TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT.
UH, IT'S THAT PRIVATE PARTNER OPPORTUNITY THAT THAT NEEDS TO COME.
SO IT'S A, IT'S A MATTER OF TIMING, BUT HAVING THE TOOL IN PLACE IS, IS STEP NUMBER ONE FOR US.
I JUST DON'T WANT THEM, DIDN'T WANT THEM TO BE FORGOTTEN.
SO I WANTED TO TELL YOU GUYS, THANK YOU SO MUCH, UM, FOR YOUR PRESENTATION AND INCLUDING THE JUPITER WALNUT AREA.
I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE FANTASTIC.
UM, I SEE, OH, THERE'S SO MUCH POTENTIAL FOR AMAZING THINGS OVER THERE, SO I THINK THAT'S AWESOME.
UM, AND FOR, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, WILLIAMS, UM, DART IS ALSO, UM, FUNDING A LARGE PORTION, I BELIEVE, OF THE SIDEWALK ENHANCEMENTS, THE PEDESTRIAN ENHANCEMENTS FOR THE AREA OVER THERE.
UM, SO THAT'S, IT'S THE WHOLE THING IN THE WORKS THAT I UNDERSTAND.
WE ARE, WE HAVE A WHOLE CHECKLIST OF THINGS TO GO THROUGH, BUT, UM, WE ARE VERY GRATEFUL FOR THAT.
UM, IT'S MUCH NEEDED IN THAT AREA, BUT MOSTLY I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR EXPANDING AND KEEPING US IN MIND.
ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COUNCILLOR? MEMBER HEDRICK.
I'M SO HAPPY THAT YOU GUYS LISTENED AND EXPANDED THE BOUNDARIES, BUT I ASK YOU, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE MAP? I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE EXACT BOUNDARIES ON THERE.
YOU WERE SLIDING THAT DIAL BACK AND FORTH THERE.
I WANTED YOU TO ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT CLOSER, IF YOU WOULD, ON THAT SECTION.
AND I'M WONDERING IF THAT AREA INCLUDES THE, UM, CURRENT BRANCH LIBRARY, WALNUT CREEK BRANCH THERE, UH, DOES IT, AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE AREA JUST WEST OF MONTGOMERY PARK, WHICH IS THE SCHOOL THAT I KNOW.
DISD HAD A BOND AND THEY TALK ABOUT POSSIBLY CONSOLIDATING SCHOOLS.
THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE WANNA LOOK AT THERE AS WELL.
SO LOOKING AT THE, UM, THE 2013 PLAN, IT WAS SUCH A, UM, STRAIGHTFORWARD.
IT JUST MADE IT VERY CLEAR AND OBVIOUS TO CAPTURE ALL OF THAT RETAIL MM-HMM.
AND AS FAR AS ANY ADDITIONAL, UM, LOCATIONS, THEY DIDN'T PRESENT THEMSELVES AS CLEARLY AS THIS ONE.
AND TO BE HONEST, WHY, WHY THOSE TWO LOCATIONS WERE NOT INCLUDED IS BECAUSE THEY'RE TAX EXEMPT.
I, IF ANYTHING CHANGES IN THE FUTURE THAT WE CAN ALWAYS, ALWAYS EXPAND IT BOUNDARIES.
BUT I'M, I'M SO HAPPY THAT YOU GUYS DID LOOK AT THAT AND EXPAND THOSE BOUNDARIES THERE AND INCLUDE THOSE AREAS THAT WERE IN THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WAS A DECADE OLD NOW, BUT AT LEAST HOPEFULLY WE'LL SEE SOME MOVEMENT SOON.
AND CHAIRMAN, UH, I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING YOUR PRESENTATION OF THE PROJECT PLAN WHERE WE GIVE THE OFFICIAL THUMBS UP OR THUMBS DOWN NEXT WEEK.
SO I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING SOME PROJECTS IN THAT FOUR JUPITER END OF THE, THE DIS DISTRICT AS WELL.
ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? I SEE NONE.
UM, THE TONE OF THIS DISCUSSION'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN THE LAST ONE.
AND, AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S HOW THIS SHOULD WORK.
SO I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK YOU DID, UH, IN BETWEEN, UM, AND, AND THE ADDITIONAL, UH, EXPLANATION, UH, ON HOW THIS PROCESS WORKS THROUGH OUR ATTORNEY.
UH, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO, UH, SEEING WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THIS.
AND MR. CHAIRMAN, CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR RECENT, UH, PROJECT EDITION AND YOUR FAMILY.
UH, I KNOW THAT, UH, YOU, NOT ONLY HAVE YOU HAD THAT GOING ON, BUT YOU'VE HAD THIS GOING ON, SO I APPRECIATE THE EFFORTS.
SO WE, WE DO PLAN TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AT THE NEXT COUNCIL.
WE WILL BRING THIS BACK AT THE NEXT, UH, FOR, UH, PUBLIC HEARING AND FORMAL CONSIDERATION AT OUR NEXT MEETING.
I, I HAD THAT WRITTEN IN FRONT OF ME AND JUST NEGLECTED TO READ IT.
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THAT WILL BRING US TO OUR NEXT ITEM, ITEM[4.b. Dallas County Deflection Center Information]
FOUR B, DALLAS COUNTY DEFLECTION CENTER INFORMATION CHIEF.GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
UH, AT COUNCIL'S REQUEST, I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE DALLAS COUNTY DEFLECTION CENTER.
UH, NOT QUITE AS EXCITING AS A TIFF DISCUSSION, BUT HOPEFULLY I'VE GOT INFORMATION YOU NEED.
UM, THE, THE SHORT VERSION IS THE DEFLECTION CENTER IS A DALLAS COUNTY PROGRAM, UH, THAT'S DESIGNED TO, CAN WE TAKE THAT TO THE FULL SCREEN SO WE CAN, THAT IS NOT THE FULL SCREEN FOR THOSE OF US WHO NEED THE, THE IMAGES AS LARGE AS POSSIBLE.
UH, THE DALLAS COUNTY DEFLECTION CENTER IS DESIGNED TO TAKE CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS OUT OF THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM AND HOPEFULLY ADDRESS IT, ADDRESS THEIR PROBLEMS WITH TREATMENT AND LONG-TERM CARE.
UH, THE DEFLECTION CENTER IS CURRENTLY LOCATED AT HOMEWARD BOUND, WHICH IS AT 5,300 UNIVERSITY HILLS, UM, WHICH THE SHORT VERSION IS, IT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF DALLAS.
UH, HOMEWARD BOUND IS A RESOURCE THAT WE HAVE USED SINCE THE EIGHTIES.
IT IS A VERY WELL RESPECTED, UH, VERY GREAT PROGRAM THAT THEY DEAL CURRENTLY WITH LONG-TERM, UH, MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES AND SOBRIETY ISSUES.
AND SO THEY HAVE THE STAFFING, THEY HAVE SOME FACILITIES.
AND WHAT THE COUNTY HAS DONE IS TAKEN ONE WING OF HOMEWARD BOUND 16 BEDS AND TURN IT INTO, UH, THE DEFLECTION CENTER.
NOW I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT CRIMINAL TRESPASS 'CAUSE THIS IS SPECIFICALLY TO ADDRESS INDIVIDUALS, UM, THAT HAVE BEEN ARRESTED FOR CRIMINAL TRESPASS.
AND I NEED TO EXPLAIN CRIMINAL TRESPASS BECAUSE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE DEFLECTION CENTER IS, I ALSO NEED TO EXPLAIN WHAT IT'S NOT.
AND THAT SENTENCE WILL MAKE MORE SENSE HERE IN A MINUTE.
UH, BUT CRIMINAL TRESPASS IS A PERSON ENTERS OR REMAINS ON OR IN PROPERTY OF ANOTHER WITHOUT EFFECTIVE CONSENT.
AND THE PERSON HAD NOTICE THAT THE ENTRY WAS FORBIDDEN AND RECEIVED NOTICE TO PART, BUT FAILED TO DO SO.
AND I'VE ALSO ADDED IN THERE, THAT'S NOT PART OF THE LAW.
AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN OWNER THAT'S WILLING TO PRESS CHARGES.
THAT'S WHO THIS, THE DEFLECTION CENTER IS AIMED AT, IS HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS THAT WE HAVE ARRESTED SO THAT IF ENTERED ONTO PRIVATE PROPERTY HAVE REFUSED TO LEAVE, UM, AND DON'T LEAVE.
AND THEN WE SHOW UP AND ARREST THEM.
AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE THERE'S CONFUSION ON THIS, BECAUSE WHAT IT'S NOT IS WE HAVE HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS IN THE PARK.
UH, CAN YOU GO TAKE THEM TO THE DEFLECTION CENTER? OR, HEY, IT'S COLD TONIGHT.
CAN WE PICK UP SOME HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS AND TAKE THEM TO THE DEFLECTION CENTER? THIS IS A DIVERSION PROGRAM TO DIVERT CRIMINAL CHARGES AND TO GET THOSE INDIVIDUALS HELP IT.
UH, THE PHILOSOPHY BEHIND THIS, I SUPPORT 100%.
UH, I'VE SAID IN FRONT OF COUNSEL MANY TIMES AND SAID, I DON'T KNOW THE SOLUTION FOR THE HOMELESS PROBLEM, BUT I KNOW WHAT IT'S NOT.
IT'S NOT A CRIMINAL JUSTICE SOLUTION.
WE ARE SEEING THE SAME INDIVIDUALS OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
UH, IT'S NOT ADDRESSING THE UNDERLYING PROBLEM, AND IT'S NOT A DETERRENT.
SO THIS IS AN EFFORT TO FIX, UH, SOME OF THAT AND TO FIND A WAY POST-ARREST.
THERE ARE SERVICES FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS IN THE PARKS OR THE, THE INDIVIDUALS AT THE LIBRARY.
UH, BUT THIS IS POST-ARREST SO THAT WE CAN, UH, DETER OR DIVERT THOSE INDIVIDUALS TO TREATMENT.
NOW, ONCE WE HAVE SOMEONE THAT WE HAVE ARRESTED FOR CRIMINAL TRESPASS, UH, THE SECOND STEP IS IT HAS TO BE VOLUNTARY.
I CANNOT, MY OFFICERS CANNOT TAKE SOMEONE AGAINST THEIR WILL TO TREATMENT.
UH, IT'S A CONVERSATION WE HAVE, ARREST HAS BEEN MADE, NOW WE ENTER INTO A CONVERSATION, HEY, INSTEAD OF GOING TO JAIL, WE'VE GOT OTHER SERVICES THAT WE CAN TAKE YOU TO, WHICH IS THE DEFLECTION CENTER.
UH, DON'T HAVE OUTSTANDING WARRANTS OUTSIDE OF CLASS C WARRANTS ARE NOT EXPERIENCING A MEDICAL CRISIS, ARE NOT MENACING NOR ACTING IN AGGRESSIVE MANNER, UH, WOULD BE BETTER ASSISTED THROUGH COMMUNITY-BASED SERVICES.
UH, THE HOURS OF OPERATION ARE CURRENTLY SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, 9:00 AM TO 9:00 PM SO BETWEEN THOSE HOURS NOW THAT IS CHANGING SOON TO 24 HOURS
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A DAY, AND THERE'S A TOTAL CAPACITY OF 16 BEDS THAT THIS FACILITY CAN HOLD.I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY ISSUES OF CALLING AHEAD OF TIME, AND THEY HAVE SAID THEY'RE FULL EVERY TIME WE'VE CALLED, THEY'VE TAKEN THE INDIVIDUAL THAT WE'VE REFERRED, BUT IT IS A LOT OF CHECK BOXES THAT WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH TO MAKE SURE THIS IS THE RIGHT INDIVIDUAL FOR THOSE SERVICES.
NOW ONCE THEY'RE THERE, THEY'RE OFFERED MEALS AND SNACKS, A SHOWER, WASH, THEIR CLOTHES, TV, TIME, A BED, AND THEN ASSISTANCE IN FINDING AND PAYING FOR A BOARDING HOME.
SO THAT'S AN OVERVIEW OF THE, OF WHAT THE DEFLECTION CENTER IS.
AGAIN, I GET A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DEFLECTION CENTER, AND THE BIGGEST MISCONCEPTION IS THAT WE CAN JUST TAKE INDIVIDUALS, HEY, THERE'S SOME HOMELESS, CAN YOU GET 'EM TO THE DEFLECTION CENTER? THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS.
THIS IS A DEFLECTION FROM PROSECUTION WHEN THEY'VE BEEN ARRESTED FOR LOW LEVEL, UH, CRIME.
ALL RIGHT, COUNCILOR DUTTON, THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
UM, I KNOW MARGARET AND I HAVE HAD THE DISCUSSION ABOUT, UM, WITH IT GETTING COLD OUTSIDE AND HOW YOU WERE SAYING LIKE, IT'S NOT A PLACE WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, I DON'T WANNA SAY PUT, DIVERT THEM OR WHATEVER.
UM, SO WITH THE INFORMATION THAT YOU GAVE US TONIGHT IS ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL AND DEFINITELY HELPS CLARIFY.
UM, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO MAYBE SEE IF WE CAN, MAYBE WITH THE COLD COMING, UM, MAYBE HAVE SOME SORT OF MEETING OF THE MINDS OF HOW WE CAN ASSIST GLOWS VERSUS, OR WITH PD SO THAT WE KIND OF ALL HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT TO DO.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? NO, WE CANNOT.
UH, AS FAR AS HOW THE ITEM IS POSTED, UM, WE'LL HAVE TO TALK ABOUT GLOWS AT A SEPARATE OKAY.
THIS IS PURELY TO JUST THE DIVERSION CENTER.
THANK YOU,
UM, YEAH, AND CHIEF, YOU AND I HAVE HAD A LOT OF THESE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT, ABOUT THIS EXACT TOPIC.
AND I KNOW THE, UM, DIVERSION CENTERED DOWN IN, I THINK IT'S HOUSTON HAS, UM, I'VE CHECKED ON IT EVERY NOW AND THEN, AND THAT HAS BEEN A MODEL THAT'S BEEN REALLY EFFECTIVE.
SO, UM, I GUESS, HAVE YOU, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHY THEY HAVEN'T BEEN FULL? I THINK IT'S JUST NEW FOR US.
I THINK IT'S NEW FOR THE COUNTY, IT'S NEW FOR THE OFFICERS, AND I THINK WE'RE, IT'S JUST SO NEW WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST WAY TO USE IT.
UH, SOMETHING I'M GONNA TRY JANUARY 1ST IS, AND WE'RE TALKING TO OUR, OUR, WE HAVE MENTAL HEALTH CLINICIANS THAT ARE ON OUR STAFF.
AND WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS NOT JUST HAVE THE OFFICERS INTERVIEW AT THE TIME, BUT THE NEXT MORNING HAVE OUR STAFF FOLLOW UP AND INTERVIEW AND SEE IF, IF THEN WE CAN MAKE THAT CONNECTION.
AND SO I THINK WE'RE ALL TRYING TO FIGURE THIS OUT.
I THINK WHEN YOU HAVE A BRAND NEW PROGRAM LIKE THIS, IT JUST TAKES A LITTLE TIME TO GET UP AND RUNNING.
I THINK IT'S GONNA BE SUCCESSFUL.
IN FACT, I THINK 16 BEDS IS NOT GONNA BE ENOUGH SOON.
UM, BUT IT'S JUST SO NEW AND, UM, THAT THE OFFICERS, THE DEPARTMENTS, EVERYBODY'S TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST WAY TO USE IT.
THE 16 BEDS NOT BEING ENOUGH WAS WHAT I, UM, KIND OF ANTICIPATED HAPPENING IMMEDIATELY.
BUT THERE ARE, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH TO CHECK OFF.
UH, PRACTICALLY HAD, SO YOU HAVE, ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE YOU ENDED UP? UM, WE'VE TAKEN EIGHT.
UM, AND THAT'S OVER A TIME PERIOD OF WHAT? SIX MONTHS? SO THE, THE FACILITY OPENED IN 2022.
BUT IT INITIALLY OPENED JUST TO DPD.
THERE WAS A PILOT PROGRAM AND IT OPENED TO US, THE OTHER AGENCIES ABOUT SIX, SEVEN MONTHS AGO.
AND SO, UH, THE COUNTY CAME AND TRAINED OUR OFFICERS.
AND SO WE'VE BEEN USING IT REALLY ABOUT SIX MONTHS.
AND IF YOU HAVE A, A PERSON LIKE THIS, DO YOU HAVE TO DRIVE THEM? YOU SAID THE OTHER END OF DALLAS, THAT IS A TRIP.
IS THAT A, UM, DISINCENTIVE FOR, IT'S, UNFORTUNATELY IT IS FOR OUR OFFICERS.
THAT'S A 50 MINUTE DRIVE ON A GOOD DAY.
UH, ACTUALLY I'M MEETING WITH, UH, JUDGE CRUZO TOMORROW TO TALK ABOUT THIS.
SO, UH, BUT THAT IS, BUT AGAIN, UH, THE MISSION
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IS WORTHY AND YEAH.AND IT'S SOMETHING WE DIDN'T HAVE BEFORE.
UH, AND, AND SO I, I THINK YOU'LL SEE THE OFFICERS USING IT MORE AND MORE.
I THINK ESPECIALLY OUR, OUR HOMELESS AND THE MENTAL HEALTH OFFICERS WILL BE THE PRIMARY ONES USING IT.
WELL, AND I'M, I'M GLAD YOU'RE HAVING A MEETING OVER THAT.
'CAUSE THOSE WERE JUST SOME OF THE, THE PRACTICALITIES OF MAKING IT USEFUL IS, UH, IF, IF YOU HAVE TO TAKE HALF A DAY OUTTA YOUR TIME TO DRIVE, FILL OUT PAPERWORK AND ALL THAT, NOT SO EASY.
UM, ANYWAY, I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS AND, AND I AGREE WITH YOU WHOLEHEARTEDLY.
THIS IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO, UM, FOR THE PEOPLE WHO FIT INTO THIS, IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
AND I'M, I'M HAPPY THAT WE'VE GOT IT AT SOME LEVEL AND I, I'M ACTUALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO US REGULARLY EXCEEDING THE 16 BEDS AND HOPEFULLY HAVING FUNDING COME OUT TO, UH, ENLARGE IT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION.
I KNOW IT'S REALLY HARD TO GET PEOPLE OVER THERE, UM, WITH ALL OF THE BOXES YOU HAVE TO CHECK AND, UM, I HOPE THAT THAT WILL BE MADE EASIER FOR YOUR OFFICERS IN, IN THE COMING TIMES.
UM, DO YOU KNOW IF THE, IF THE CENTER RECEIVES ANY FEDERAL FUNDING? UH, I KNOW THEY RECEIVE FUNDING THROUGH NIPA, WHICH IS THE NORTH TEXAS BEHAVIORAL HEALTH AUTHORITY.
UH, I BELIEVE THAT'S FUNDED THROUGH STATE, BUT I HATE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION 'CAUSE I'M GONNA ANSWER WRONG.
UH, I KNOW THEY DO, UH, RECEIVE NIPA FUNDING.
UM, I KNOW THEY ALSO HAVE, UH, PARKLAND HOSPITALS THERE.
UM, THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ARE SUPPORTING THIS PROGRAM, BUT I DON'T KNOW 100% HOW THEY'RE FUNDED.
UM, AND THEN, UM, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT CRIMINAL TRESPASS AT THE VERY BEGINNING AND MENTIONED THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS DOESN'T APPLY TO SOMEONE'S IN A PARK, YOU KNOW, TRESPASS THEM AND TAKE THEM OUT OF THE PARK.
DOES CRIMINAL TRESPASS APPLY TO ANY OF OUR MUNICIPAL BUILDINGS? SO SAY THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON AT A, AT THE LIBRARY AND, UM, IT COULD SOMEONE THAT'S MAY MAYBE CRIMINALLY TRESPASSING AT THE LIBRARY BE TAKEN TO THE DEFLECTION CENTER? YEAH.
THERE ARE TIMES IF SOMEONE WERE TO ENTER PART OF THE BUILDING THAT'S ALREADY CLOSED, OR IF WE WERE TO ISSUE SOMEONE A CRIMINAL TRESPASS WARNING AND THEY CAME BACK, THERE ARE TIMES, UH, THE MAJORITY OF THE TIME WHEN IT'S ON PUBLIC PROPERTY, UH, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO BE THERE.
YES, THERE'S, THERE'S, CAN YOU, 'CAUSE I GOT MORE QUESTIONS FOR YOU IN THE QUEUE, SO YOU'RE GONNA NEED THE, YOU'RE GONNA NEED THE WATER.
UH, COUNCIL MEMBER OTT NO, THANK YOU CHIEF FOR COMING AND, UH, GIVING US THIS BRIEFING.
UM, THIS PROGRAM, THIS IS, IS IT ADMINISTERED BY, THIS IS COUNTY LEVEL, THIS IS THE COUNTY LEVEL PROGRAM.
UH, IF THERE IS EXPANSION TALK, IF THE PRO, UH, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE PROGRAM'S GOING TO GET LEGS AND ONCE YOU GET EVERY, ALL THE PDS GET USED TO HOW TO USE IT, THAT 16 BEDS WON'T BE ENOUGH.
PERHAPS THERE COULD BE CONVERSATION OF HAVING AN ANNEX OF IT IN THE GARLAND AREA OR SOMEWHERE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF TOWN.
I THINK THAT IS PART OF THE DISCUSSION.
AND LET ME TALK ABOUT THE 16 BEDS FOR A MINUTE.
THE BEDS ARE NOT FOR INDIVIDUALS TO COME AND STAY.
THAT'S NOT WHAT THE BEDS ARE FOR.
THE BEDS ARE, UH, TO GET 'EM THERE AND THEN GET 'EM PLACED.
AND SO THE BEDS ARE A TEMPORARY SOLUTION, BUT AN ANNEX WOULD BE, YEAH.
SOMETHING WE'RE WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
SO WHAT WOULD BE THE, THE TYPICAL STAY ONE TO THREE DAYS? ONE TO THREE DAYS.
COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMS. THANK YOU, MAYOR.
THANK YOU CHIEF FOR THE, FOR THE UPDATE.
16 IS MORE THAN WHAT WE USED TO HAVE, SO I'M EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
UM, CHIEF YOU MENTIONED WHEN YOU GAVE THE FIRST SLIDE ABOUT CRIMINAL TRESPASS, I RECEIVED A CALL BACK, BACK, BACK, SAY ON THANKSGIVING DAY FROM AN IRATE, UH, BUSINESS OWNER CHIEF.
WHAT IS THE, THE ROLE OF BUSINESS OWNERS? YOU KNOW, THERE IS CALL GPD, NOBODY, YOU KNOW THE DRILL.
WHAT ON THIS CRIMINAL T IF YOU'RE IN A STRIP CENTER WHERE THERE'S SEVERAL BUSINESSES, THERE'S A PUBLIC SIDEWALK THAT EXTENDS, YOU KNOW, ALL THE BUSINESSES AND THE, THE
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ALLEGED TRESPASSER IS ON THE SIDEWALK OR IN THE PARKING LOT.THEY'RE NOT STANDING IN THE DOORWAY.
AND WHAT IS TRASH? CAN YOU HAVE SOMEBODY, WHAT IS THAT LINE? BUT THEN THEY MAKE THE CALL AND THEY, THEIR EXPECTATION IS FOR YOUR TEAM TO SHOW UP AND DO THE, YOU KNOW, DO THE OTHER WORK.
SO CAN YOU, ON THAT DEFINITION THERE, UH, MAYBE PERHAPS YOU SAID YOU'RE MEETING WITH THE DA TOMORROW, YOU CAN CLARIFY THAT.
WHAT DOES THAT ACTUALLY MEAN? IF I CAN CLARIFY IT FOR YOU NOW.
GENERALLY, IF THE PUBLIC IS ALLOWED TO BE THERE, THEN A HOMELESS INDIVIDUAL IS ALLOWED TO BE THERE.
NOW, IF YOU HAVE A PRIVATE BUSINESS, UH, THAT, THAT YOU KNOW, HAS DOORS THAT YOU CAN OPEN AND CLOSE, THEN YOU CAN CT PEOPLE FROM THAT BUSINESS.
WALMART CAN CT PEOPLE FROM THEIR BUSINESS AND OFF THEIR PROPERTY.
THE BIGGER ISSUE THAT WE HAVE IS, AND I TELL PEOPLE THIS ALL THE TIME, WE'RE NOT BOUNCERS AND WE'LL GET THE CALL LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, AND THEY'LL SAY, WE WANT THIS PERSON OFF OUR PROPERTY.
CAN YOU KICK THEM OFF OUR PROPERTIES? AND WE SAID, WE'RE NOT BOUNCERS.
WE CANNOT KICK PEOPLE OFF YOUR PROPERTY.
IF THERE IS SOMEONE THERE, YOU HAVE TO GIVE THEM A WARNING.
IF THEY DON'T LEAVE, IF YOU'RE WILLING TO PRESS CHARGES, WE'LL ARREST THEM FOR CRIMINAL TRESPASS.
BUT BY FAR THE, THAT'S OUR BIGGEST PROBLEM.
'CAUSE THE OWNER WILL SAY, I DON'T WANNA BE INVOLVED.
WE JUST WANT 'EM OFF OUR PROPERTY.
JUST GET 'EM OFF OUR PROPERTY.
AND LIKE I SAY, WE'RE NOT BOUNCERS.
WE CAN'T JUST TAKE PEOPLE AND THROW 'EM OFF YOUR PROPERTY.
WE CAN ARREST THEM FOR CRIMINAL TRESPASS IF YOU'RE WILLING TO FILE THE CHARGES.
THANK YOU, CHIEF, YOU, YOU QUOTED MY CALLER.
'CAUSE THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HE WANTED.
YOUR RIGHT, YOUR, YOUR YOUR TEAM TO DO.
THROW THEM OFF THEIR PROPERTY.
SO THANKS FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
WHEN SOMEONE ENTERS THIS PROGRAM VOLUNTARILY, DOES THEIR ARREST, IS IT EXPUNGED AFTER THEY COMPLETE THE PROGRAM? IT'S, IT'S NOT EVEN FILED.
SO THERE'S NO EXP YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, THE CASE NEVER MAKES IT OUT OF OUR, WE DON'T EVEN FILE A CASE.
SO THE HANDCUFFS ARE ON, YOU'RE GOING TO JAIL.
WE'RE FILING CRIMINAL TRESPASS, BUT HERE'S ANOTHER OPTION.
'CAUSE YOU SAID THEY HAVE TO BE ARRESTED TECHNICALLY TO GO TO THE PROGRAM, BUT THEN YEAH.
OH, IF THEY COMPLETED IT, WE UNREST THEM.
IT'S THE BEST WAY TO SAY IT NOW.
MY ATTORNEYS ARE PROBABLY GONNA
THERE'S BETTER LEGAL WAYS TO SAY IT, BUT, UH, THEY ARE UNDER, UNDER OUR CUSTODY AND WE OFFER THEM THIS AS A DIVERSION FROM PROSECUTION.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS?
ALL RIGHT, SIR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AND, UH, THIS IS CERTAINLY, IF THIS PROGRAM IS SUCCESSFUL, IT WILL NEED TO QUADRUPLE IN SIZE IN A VERY SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME.
WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND DO, UH, ONE MORE
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ITEM BEFORE WE'LL, AND THEN WE'LL TAKE A QUICK RECESS.UM, NEXT UP WOULD BE ITEM FOUR C ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS REGARDING ICE CREAM TRUCKS.
WE SHOULD HAVE WENT THE OTHER DIRECTION.
SO IT'S A LOT OF FACE TIME FOR YOU TONIGHT.
UH, MR. ENGLIN, I'M JUST A PREFACE ON THIS ONE.
IS THAT FUNNY?
OH WAIT, I SEE HOW YOU TOOK NEVERMIND
UH, MAYOR COUNCIL, UH, REAL BRIEFLY, I'M GONNA SPEAK AND I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER.
'CAUSE THEY, UM, THIS IS REALLY THEIR PROGRAM.
I'VE, UM, THEY'VE BEEN, UM, PROBABLY MORE OF AN ASSISTANCE TO ME THAN I HAVE TO THEM IN THIS, IN THAT REGARD.
THE DIFFICULT PART OF THIS PARTICULAR PROCESS, AND IT HAS BEEN A LONG PROCESS, GETTING OUTTA COMMITTEE TOOK A VERY LONG TIME.
AND IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH CITY STAFF OR THE COMMITTEE OR THIS COUNCIL.
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HAD A LOT TO DO WITH JUST WHEN TWO GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES COLLIDE.UM, THINGS, THINGS SLOW DOWN DRASTICALLY.
AND THAT, AND A LOT OF THAT IN THIS CASE WAS THREE GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES.
THE LEGISLATURE, DALLAS COUNTY, AND THEN US.
AND THERE WAS A LOT OF CONFUSION ABOUT ICE CREAM TRUCKS, UM, UM, IN REGARD TO THEM BEING MOBILE FOOD UNITS.
AND THAT'S BEEN THE REAL ISSUE, IS HOW, HOW THE COUNTY CLASSIFIES THEM AND HOW THE COUNTY CLASSIFIES MOBILE FOOD UNITS AND THE RESPONSIBILITIES THAT THE LEGISLATURE PLACED ON THE COUNTY WITHOUT THE COUNTY NOT KNOWING IT UNTIL THE LAST MINUTE.
AND THEY REALIZED, OH, THIS BRACKET LEGISLATION ACTUALLY APPLIES TO DALLAS COUNTY.
AND NOBODY ANTICIPATED THAT WHILE IT WAS GOING THROUGH THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS.
ONCE THEY FIGURED IT OUT, THEY SCRAMBLED AND GOT SOME, UM, UM, UNOFFICIAL POLICIES AND, AND PLACED REALLY IN THE FORM OF, UM, FAQS ON THEIR WEBSITE.
UM, UM, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, AND THAT MAY HAVE CHANGED IN THE LAST MONTH OR SO, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THE, UM, COMMISSIONER'S COURT STILL HASN'T DONE ANY FORMAL POLICIES ON THESE AS FAR AS PASSING, UM, COURT ORDERS.
AND SO, UM, A LOT OF THIS IS JUST IN THE FORM OF POLICIES, UM, ADMINISTRATIVE POLICIES AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
AND IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, WHAT THE COUNTY HAS TOLD US, BECAUSE OF A DEFINITIONAL DISAGREEMENT THAT I'M HAVING WITH THEM, UM, AND ATTORNEYS DISAGREE ALL THE TIME, IS THEY DO NOT FEEL THAT ICE CREAM IN PARTICULAR IS A PRODUCT THAT, UM, UH, MEETS THEIR DEFINITION OF WHAT SHOULD BE REGULATED.
AND SO THEY'RE NOT PERMITTING, THEY'RE NOT ISSUING OPERATIONAL PERMITS FOR ICE CREAM TRUCKS.
UM, AND SO THE QUESTION THAT CAME TO US AND TO THE COMMITTEE WAS THE COUNCIL CAN DO ONE OF TWO THINGS WITH THAT AND JUST SAY, GO BACK TO WHERE WE WERE AND SAY, NO ICE CREAM TRUCKS, OR THE COUNCIL CAN MAKE THE POLICY DECISION AND SAY, OKAY, FINE, YOU DON'T DEAL.
WE, WE DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ISSUE A OPERATIONAL PERMIT THAT'S BEEN TAKEN FROM US.
BUT WHAT WE CAN DO, AND WHAT WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO IS MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE ABIDING BY ALL STATE LAW AND HEALTH REGULATIONS UNDER STATE LAW.
AND THEN OF COURSE WE HAVE MAINTAINED THE JURISDICTION TO BE ABLE TO, UM, REGULATE THE, UH, TIME, PLACE AND MANNER IN WHICH THEY SERVE THEIR ICE CREAM.
AND THAT'S KIND OF THE QUESTION FOR COUNCIL IN MY REGARD.
THEY HAVE SOME MORE, BUT IN MY REGARD, WE JUST NEED TO DECIDE IF Y'ALL ARE COMFORTABLE WITH MOVING FORWARD WITH HAVING ICE CREAM TRUCKS OPERATE WITHIN THE CITY WITHOUT A PERMIT, KNOWING THAT WE CAN STILL REGULATE THEM FOR HEALTH AND SAFETY PURPOSES AND FOR TIME AND PLACE AND MANNER PURPOSES.
SO AS BRIAN SAID, WE REALLY STARTED THIS CONVERSATION A LONG TIME AGO.
UM, IN JUNE, UH, WE ACTUALLY WENT, YOU GUYS PASSED A, AN AMENDMENT, SO REPEALING AND, UH, THE HOPE PROHIBITION OF THE ICE CREAM TRUCKS.
AND THEN WE WENT TO COMMITTEE, A COMMUNITY SERVICES COMMITTEE TO TRY AND FIGURE OUT NOW WHAT THAT MEANS, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? UM, IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT IS WHEN, UH, 28 78 BECAME, UH, WHAT IT IS.
AND WE REALLY STRUGGLED BECAUSE WE, WE KNEW THAT YOU WANTED TO REGULATE SOME THINGS, BUT, UH, IT WAS REALLY UP IN THE AIR FOR QUITE A LONG TIME AS TO WHAT IT WOULD BE THAT WE WOULD HAVE CONTROL OVER.
SO, UH, WITH THAT, THEY DID SAY THAT DALLAS COUNTY, UM, DOES NOT PERMIT ICE CREAM TRUCKS OR CARTS.
AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE DEFINITION OF THAT, BUT THEN ALSO, UM, THAT IT REALLY TOOK ALL OF THE PERMITTING AUTHORITY AWAY FROM US AS, AS LOCAL ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH.
SO WITH THAT, UH, WE'LL START WITH FOOD CARTS, THEN WE'LL GET TO ICE CREAM TRUCKS AND HOW THEY'RE SPECIFIC.
AND THEN WE'LL GET TO MOBILE FOOD UNITS AND WHAT THE DIFFERENCES ARE.
UM, I'M SURE THERE WILL BE QUESTIONS, HOPEFULLY YOU WON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THEM, BUT OKAY.
WITH, UM, WITH THE FOOD CARTS.
SO BRIAN LEFT THE LANGUAGE IN AND SAID, SHALL BE PERMITTED IF REQUIRED BY DALLAS COUNTY.
SO IT'S MOSTLY FOR FLEXIBILITY SO THAT IF AND WHEN THEY DECIDE TO PERMIT THEM, WE DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU FOR EDITING.
SO IT, IT COVERS THAT, UH, CARTS AND FOOD PREPARATIONS ARE PROHIBITED IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, UH, IS HOW THE CURRENT ORDINANCE READS, OR I'M SORRY, HOW THE UPDATED ORDINANCE READS.
AND THEN, UH, CARTS OPERATING IN CITY PARKS WILL REQUIRE THE APPROVAL OF THE PARKS DIRECTOR AND THEN ANYTHING ON PUBLIC PROPERTY, UH, CITY PARKING FACILITIES, UH, CLOSE TO DOWNTOWN SQUARE, ET CETERA, THAT WILL ALL BE APPROVED BY, UH, THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH DIRECTOR OR THE HEALTH DIRECTOR.
UM, SO FOR ICE CREAM TRUCK SPECIFICALLY, SO THE DEFINITION OF AN ICE CREAM TRUCK, AND THIS IS, UH, VERY SPECIFIC AND IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US BECAUSE WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT, UH, WILL PROBABLY CHALLENGE THIS A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT'S VERY SPECIFIC TO PREPACKAGED ICE CREAM, ICE MILK, FROZEN DAIRY PRODUCTS.
SO IF THEY ARE SCOOPING AND SERVING, THEY ARE NOT AN ICE CREAM TRUCK.
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SO IT IS, AGAIN, READ THE SAME AS THE CARTS SHALL BE PERMITTED IF REQUIRED BY DALLAS COUNTY.AGAIN, IF AND WHEN DALLAS COUNTY DECIDES TO START PERMITTING THEM, UM, THIS JUST GIVES THE ORDINANCE THAT FLEXIBILITY.
SO WHERE MAY THEY OPERATE? AND THIS IS THE PART, EVERYTHING FROM HERE DOWN.
AND THEN ON THE NEXT SLIDE IS WHAT THE COMMITTEE, UH, WORKED ON TO GET ADDED.
SO THEY MAY OPERATE IN PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY, BUT NOT WITHIN 40 FEET OF THE INTERSECTION, STOP SIGN, FLASHING BEACON, YIELD SIGN TRAFFIC CONTROL SIGNAL, UH, MAY ONLY PARK OR STAND IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO AS PRACTICAL, UH, FROM TRAFFIC SHALL OPERATE FLASHERS AND SIGNALS WHEN STOPPED.
AND THEN, UM, THEY HAVE, THEY CAN'T IMPEDE TRAFFIC OR THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC, AND THEN THEY HAVE TO VENT FROM THE PASSENGER SIDE.
AND THAT'S JUST FOR SAFETY REASONS, UH, MAY ONLY OPERATE.
SO THEY HAVE, UM, AN EXCEPTION FROM THE LOUDSPEAKER OR NOISE, UH, SOUND AMPLIFICATION.
BUT WHAT WE DID ADD IS THAT THEY CANNOT DO IT WHILE THEY'RE STATIONARY BECAUSE I THINK THAT MAY DRIVE SOME PEOPLE CRAZY.
AND, UH, THAT WAS DIRECTLY COMMENTED FROM THE COMMITTEE.
SO, UH, WHEN THEY'RE STOPPED, THEY HAVE TO STOP THE MUSIC.
BUT WHEN THEY'RE GOING, UH, THEY CAN USE THEIR, THEIR SOUND APPLICATION.
UH, THEY MAY NOT CONDUCT VENDING OPERATIONS OR OPERATE A HORN SOUND APPLICATION OR OTHER SOUND, UH, PRODUCING DEVICES OR MUSIC, UH, WITHIN AN OPERATIONAL SCHOOL ZONE, AND THEN WITHIN TWO BLOCKS OR 600 FEET OF SCHOOL GROUNDS BETWEEN 11:00 AM AND 4:00 PM AND THEN THEY MAY OPERATE WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY BETWEEN 11:00 AM AND 30 MINUTES BEFORE SUNSET.
AND THAT'S AS DEFINED BY NOAH.
DO YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT WHY THAT'S SO SPECIFIC? YEAH, NOAH, THE ONLY REASON IT'S SO SPECIFIC IS FOR PROSECUTION PURPOSES, WE HAVE TO HAVE A DEFINITE TIME THAT WE CAN SAY, BASED ON THE TIME WRITTEN ON THE CITATION, THAT IT WAS WRITTEN AT THIS, WE CAN GO TO THE WEBSITE, GO TO NOAH'S WEBSITE AND LOOK AT THAT DATE AND DETERMINE WHEN SUNSET WAS, AND THEN DO THE CALCULATION.
WHETHER OR NOT IT REALLY, QUITE FRANKLY, IN MY EXPERIENCE WITH THESE MATTERS, IT'S REALLY AFTER DARK IS WHEN SOMEBODY WOULD GET CITATION WORK.
THE SUN IS CLEARLY SET, BUT WE'D HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING SPECIFIC FOR PROSECUTION PURPOSES.
THAT'S THE REASON NOAH'S ON THERE.
AND THEN WITH REGARD TO MOBILE FOOD UNITS, SO MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLES, CATERING TRUCKS, AND THE LOCK, UH, DESIR DESIRING TO OPERATE WITHIN THE CITY MUST BE INSPECTED BY AND PERMITTED THROUGH DALLAS COUNTY AS THE REGULATORY AUTHORITY.
MOBILE FOOD UNITS AND CATERING TRUCKS ARE NOT PERMITTED TO PARK AT ANY PLACE WITHIN A RESIDENTIAL ZONE.
I PROMISE I WOULDN'T TALK, BUT I'M GOING TO.
UM, THAT FIRST BULLET POINT, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE GO BACK TO WHAT SHE SAID EARLIER ABOUT ICE CREAM TRUCKS THAT ACTUALLY ARE SCOOPING, THEY WILL BE REGULATED AS A CATERING TRUCK, UH, NOT A CATERING TRUCK.
I'M SORRY, A MOBILE FOOD UNIT.
AND SO THEY WILL BE REGULATED AND, BUT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE PERMITTED THROUGH THE COUNTY AND THEY'LL BE PERMITTED THROUGH AS A MOBILE FOOD UNIT.
ANY
YOUR LAST EXPLANATION ON THE DIP I CALLED THE, THE PREPACKAGED VERSUS THE VERSUS THE DIPPERS.
THEY, THEY ARE NOT, THEY DON'T MEET THE DEFINITION OF AN ICE CREAM TRUCK OR ICE CREAM CART BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT PREPACKAGED, IN OTHER WORDS, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO BUILD IT, YOU HAVE TO BUILD THE CONE, YOU HAVE TO DIP AND THEN PUT THE ICE CREAM ON THE CONE IN THE CUP.
AND SO THAT WOULD BE, UM, ACTUALLY REGULATED THROUGH THE COUNTY.
SO IF WE, IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS ORDINANCE, WE WOULD NOT REGULATE THOSE FOLK WE WOULD REGULATE IN TERMS OF HEALTH AND SAFETY, BUT NOT PERMITTING.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO GET A PERMIT.
BUT WE, WE ARE CONSIDERING PERMITTING THE, THE PREPACKAGED PREPACKAGED OR NOT DO NOT REQUIRE PERMIT.
SO, BUT THE COUNTY, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND RIGHT.
THE COUNTY COMMISSIONS ARE LICENSED, THOSE FOLK, RIGHT? THEY THE DIPPERS.
THAT'S, I'M SORRY,
THAT'S WHAT I CALL THE, THE, THE TECHNICAL TERM.
BUT AS, BUT AS, AS THEY MOVE AROUND THE CITY, THEN HEALTH, HEALTH PROVISIONS KICK IN.
AND UH, FOR THE DIPPERS, THEY'LL, UH, I'M GONNA ADOPT YOUR LANGUAGE.
UM, FOR THE DIPPERS, UM, WE'LL ACTUALLY MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE A PERMIT TO DO THAT, UM, IF THEY'RE ACTUALLY DIPPING THE ICE CREAM.
MY, MY LAST QUESTION IS NOT MENTIONED ON, ON THAT, THOSE SIDES ANY PLACE.
HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU CLASSIFY A BICYCLE? I'VE SEEN SOME VERY CREATIVE INKS IN SOME OF MY NEIGHBORHOODS AND
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THEY DON'T HAVE A TRUCK.SO WE, SO WE, WE TAKE THOSE BICYCLE CARTS IF THEY'RE IN VIOLATION, WE WOULD.
NOW THOSE HAVE BEEN IN NEIGHBORHOODS, SO WOULD THEY BE PROHIBITED FROM COMING IN NEIGHBORHOODS ON THE BICYCLES? YES.
MAYOR
YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A LONG TIME.
UH, THIS IS A VERY, PROBABLY A VERY MINOR, UH, POINT.
BUT I THINK, UH, SOMETHING THAT WE MAY WANNA CONSIDER AS WE GO FORWARD.
'CAUSE I'M SURE THAT, UH, WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT THIS, IT, IT, THE QUESTION, I GUESS, FIRST OF ALL, DID YOU TALK WITH THE, THE VENDORS AS IT RELATES TO THE MUSIC? IN MY HISTORY, IN MY EXPERIENCE, IT WAS THE MUSIC THAT ALLOWED ME TO HAVE TIME TO BEG MOM
AND THEN FOR ME TO FINALLY GET THERE, NOW IF THEY HAD MOVED, I WAS IN TROUBLE.
BUT AS LONG AS THEY WERE SITTING THERE AND THAT MUSIC WAS GOING, WE ALL KNEW WE HAD OPPORTUNITY TO GET TO THE ICE CREAM.
AND SO WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY AT THIS POINT IS YOU ARE NOT GOING TO ALLOW THEM TO PLAY THE MUSIC.
AND I KNOW IT BECOMES MONOTONOUS, BUT FOR THE KIDS, THAT WAS THEIR SAVING GRACE AS LONG AS THAT MUSIC WAS GOING ON THE ICE CREAM WITHIN THE VICINITY.
SO THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT, DID YOU TALK WITH THE VENDORS, I GUESS, AS IT RELATE TO THE MUSIC, BUT IS THAT, THAT'S ONLY WHEN THEY'RE STOPPED, RIGHT? THEY CAN, AS THEY'RE TRAVELING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY CAN HAVE IT ON, BUT THAT WAS JUST IT.
SEE, AS THEY WERE TRAVELING, THAT MEANT THEY WERE GETTING AWAY FROM ME
BUT IF THEY WERE SITTING THERE, THAT GAVE ME TIME.
'CAUSE I KNEW WHERE THEY WERE GONNA BE.
BUT ANYWAY, I'M JUST, I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S, THAT WAS JUST ONE SMALL POINT THAT, UH, OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK THAT YOU'D DONE AN OUTSTANDING JOB ON ATTEMPTING TO, UH, UH, DEAL WITH THIS SITUATION AS IT RELATES TO THE DIFFERENT DIFFICULTIES THAT WE HAD AND DIFFERENT PEOPLE, UH, COINCIDING AND AGREEING AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
BUT THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK THAT YOU, YOU MAY WANT TO RECONSIDER, ESPECIALLY TALKING WITH THE VENDOR TO SEE WHAT THEY SAY.
THAT'S A POLICY DECISION ON Y'ALL'S PART.
AND I'LL SAY THIS IN STAFF'S DEFENSE ON TALKING TO THE VENDORS, QUITE FRANKLY, WE DON'T KNOW WHO THE VENDORS ARE IN GARLAND BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T BEEN, THEY'VE BEEN OPERATING IN THE CITY, BUT THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ALLOWED TO OPERATE IN THE CITY FOR MANY, MANY, MANY YEARS.
AND SO, MM-HMM,
LIKE I SAID, I WORKED WITH YOU ON SOMEBODY THIS, AND I KNOW HOW DIFFICULT IT IS, BUT THAT WAS JUST ONE OF THE THINGS THAT RAN THROUGH MY HEAD AS YOU.
NOW, ONE THING WE DID DO IS WE COMPARED, UM, MULTIPLE, I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW MANY CITIES ANYMORE, BUT WE LOOKED AT A LOT OF CITIES, THEIR POLICIES, WHAT THEY DIDN'T, DIDN'T ALLOW.
AND THAT WAS, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MANY RECOMMENDED THAT WHEN YOU DO THIS, BECAUSE THEY WILL SET FOR HOURS AND HOURS IN THE SAME PLACE.
THEY, SO THAT'S, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.
UM, I, YEAH, WHEN I WAS ON THE COM WHEN, WHEN WE WERE ON THE COMMITTEE, UM, I, THE EXPERIENCE THAT I HAD WAS THAT THERE WERE TRUCKS AT A LOCAL PARK AND THEY WERE SITTING THERE FOR A VERY LONG TIME AND EVERYONE AROUND THEM WAS ANNOYED.
SO THAT'S, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S WHERE THAT CAME FROM.
UM, HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE FOR MO FOODS OR MOBILE FOOD UNITS OR CATERING TRUCKS TO GET THROUGH THE COUNTY PERMITTING PROCESS? NO ONE ELSE.
IT'S WAY FASTER THAN WE THOUGHT.
UM, FIRST THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE GARLAND FIRE DEPARTMENT AND GET THEIR FIRE INSPECTION.
AND FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THEY DO THOSE EVERY TUESDAY, I THINK.
SO WITHIN THE WEEK THEY CAN GET THAT.
AND THEN THEY TAKE THAT TO DALLAS COUNTY, UM, AS PART OF THEIR INSPECTION.
BUT I DON'T, I THINK EVERYBODY THAT'S TRIED HAS BEEN THROUGH ALREADY, IT'S WAY FASTER THAN WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE.
ONE NOTE ON THE, UM, FIRE INSPECTION, THE COUNTER REQUIRES THAT IT GET, THEY GET A FIRE INSPECTION.
AND SO WHAT, UH, UH, MYSELF AND THE CHIEF CHIEF LEE HAVE TALKED ABOUT AS FAR AS WHETHER THEY HAVE TO COME THROUGH THE GARLAND FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR AN INSPECTION TO OPERATE IN THE CITY, WHETHER OR NOT THEY SHOULD HAVE TO DO THAT.
AND THE REASON WE LANDED ON NO, IS IT REALLY DEFEATS THE PURPOSE OF THE LEGISLATIVE BILL.
THE PURPOSE OF THE BILL WAS TO PREVENT, WAS TO HELP THESE, UH, MOBILE FOOD UNITS FROM HAVING TO GO FROM EVERY, FROM MUNICIPALITY TO MUNICIPALITY TO GET SEPARATE PERMITS.
THEY WANTED TO HAVE ONE LOCATION TO GET A PERMIT.
AND BY HAVING TO GO GET FIRE PERMITS FROM EVERY SINGLE LOCATION DIDN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE.
AND SO WHAT WE REALIZED IS THE COUNTY'S NOT GOING TO ISSUE A PERMIT UNLESS THEY HAVE A FIRE INSPECTION FROM SOMEWHERE.
AND SO WE'RE RELYING ON THE COUNTY TO ACTUALLY FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THAT COMMITMENT,
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SO WE'RE NOT REQUIRING THEM TO COME TO GARLAND TO GET A PERMIT.ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? OKAY.
UH, GOSH, I CANNOT BELIEVE, I CANNOT BELIEVE THE DISCUSSION WE'RE HAVING OVER THESE OVER ICE CREAM.
UM, BUT, UH, IS THERE CONSENSUS MOVING FORWARD WITH, UH,
LET'S, LET'S BRING THIS FORWARD AND GET IT TAKEN CARE OF.
THE HONORABLE ROBERT JOHN SMITH PULLED ONE OVER US ON THIS ONE.
OKAY, COUNSEL, WITH THAT, UH, WE ARE GONNA TAKE A QUICK, UH, RECESS.
LET'S HAVE EVERYBODY BACK AT EIGHT O'CLOCK, PLEASE.
WE ARE COMING BACK FROM RECESS FOR THE DECEMBER 4TH, 2023 WORK SESSION.
[4.d. Discuss the Review and Adoption of Council Policies and Procedures for the 2024Calendar Year]
FOUR D, DISCUSS AND DISCUSS THE REVIEW AND ADOPTION OF COUNCIL POLICIES AND PROCEDURES FOR THE 2024 CALENDAR YEAR LAST TIME.WOW, MAN, MAYOR, COUNCIL, GOOD EVENING AGAIN.
UM, UH, LAST YEAR WAS A LITTLE UNUSUAL BECAUSE THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES Y'ALL PASSED LAST NOVEMBER WERE ACTUALLY FOR 2022.
AND SO WE JUST CARRIED OVER THE 2022 POLICIES AND PROCEDURES TO 2023.
AND THERE'S REALLY A PRACTICAL REASON FOR THAT.
HISTORICALLY SPEAKING ABOUT WAY OF PRACTICE, THE COUNCIL GENERALLY DOESN'T CHANGE THEIR POLICIES AND PROCEDURES UNLESS A PROBLEM ARISES.
AND QUITE FRANKLY, THIS COUNCIL'S BEEN REALLY GOOD ABOUT, AS WE PROGRESS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR AND WHEN ISSUES ARISE FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE OF CHANGING THEM, UM, THROUGH THE ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION, THEN CHANGE 'EM AS WE GO ALONG THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
SO GENERALLY SPEAKING, WHEN WE GET TO THIS TIME OF THE YEAR WHERE Y'ALL REVIEW AND ADOPT NEW POLICIES FOR 2024, UM, I'M NOT EXPECTING THERE TO BE A LOT, BUT THERE MIGHT BE SOME THAT I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT Y'ALL ARE INTERESTED IN CHANGING.
AND SO THIS IS THE FIRST MEETING TO HAVE THAT DONE.
UM, WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF POLICIES THAT THE ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES COMMITTEE LOOKED AT, UM, UM, FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION TONIGHT.
AND WHAT WE CAN DO IS WE CAN GET THE THUMBS UP THE CONSENSUS TONIGHT IF Y'ALL WOULD LIKE.
UM, 'CAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE REALLY EASY AND I DON'T EXPECT TO, UM, UM, TOO MUCH DIFFICULTY WITH THESE PARTICULAR TWO.
AND THEN WE'LL, UM, NOT ACTUALLY MAKE THE CHANGE UNTIL Y'ALL FORMALLY ADOPT THE 2024 POLICIES AND PROCEDURES.
UM, IN JANUARY, UH, IT'LL PROBABLY BE THE SECOND MEETING IN JANUARY IS WHAT I EXPECT.
UM, BUT TONIGHT IT'S THE INVITATION FOR Y'ALL EITHER TONIGHT TO GIVE ME IDEAS OF WHAT Y'ALL THINK A POLICY AND PROCEDURE MIGHT NEED TO BE CHANGED THAT Y'ALL CURRENTLY HAVE.
UM, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY, LIKE I SAID, UM, IT ALSO GIVES YOU A CHANCE FOR THE NEXT MONTH OR SO, UH, TO THINK ABOUT, UM, IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT POPS UP INTO YOUR MIND THAT YOU'D LIKE THE COUNSEL TO DISCUSS, IT GIVES US A MONTH IN ADVANCE TO DO THAT BEFORE WE HAVE OUR NEXT WORK SESSION TO ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT IT.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS ON THE OVERALL PROCEDURE AND CHANGING POLICIES? GOT NO ONE IN THE QUEUE.
SO THEN WHAT, WHAT I'M GONNA DO, WE HAVE TWO POLICIES, ACTUAL POLICIES THAT IF WE CAN GET CONSENSUS TONIGHT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH.
THE FIRST ONE IS, UM, UH, ONE THAT I WAS INVOLVED WITH IN DRAFTING.
AND THE SECOND ONE, I THINK MITCH IS GONNA COME AND WALK Y'ALL THROUGH THE SPECIAL EVENTS POLICY, WHICH, UM, I THINK THERE MIGHT BE A POWERPOINT OR, OR, OR SOMETHING.
UM, SO MINE IS THE DISRUPTION OF MEETINGS AND VIOLATIONS OF RULES OF DECORUM.
AND THIS REALLY ISN'T A POLICY CHANGE AT ALL.
UM, WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU AND HARD COPY IS WHAT WE DO NOW.
AND IT OCCURRED TO ME BECAUSE GISD WAS STRUGGLING WITH A COUPLE OF INSTANCES THAT ALTHOUGH WE HAVE A POLICY IN PLACE, IT'S NOT A WRITTEN POLICY.
AND SO ALL THIS IS, IS A POLICY THAT SAYS, HERE'S THE DEAL.
EVERYBODY HAS A RIGHT TO COME AND SPEAK BEFORE COUNCIL.
AND IN THE OPEN MIC, WHICH WE HAVE ON TUESDAY NIGHTS, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ON THE AGENDA TOPIC, IT CAN BE ON ANYTHING ON YOUR MIND.
US LAWYERS, US GOVERNMENT LAWYERS ARE ALWAYS CONCERNED ABOUT THE FIRST AMENDMENT BECAUSE SOMEBODY CAN COME TO THE OPEN MIC AND USE VERY PROFANE, VERY OFFENSIVE LANGUAGE.
UH, THERE'S NOT A LOT WE CAN DO ABOUT IT.
RIGHT? UM, UM, AND YOU CAN THINK OF THE WORST PROFANITY AND THE WORST AND THE MOST OFFENSIVE LANGUAGE.
AND IF SOMEBODY WALKS UP TO THE MIC AND CHOOSES TO EXPRESS THEIR POLITICAL VIEWS OR THEIR PERSONAL VIEWS
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ABOUT ONE OF Y'ALL USING THAT LANGUAGE, THEN THEY CERTAINLY HAVE A FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT TO DO THAT.OPEN MICS ARE ALWAYS VERY, UM, DANGEROUS FROM A LAWYER'S PERSPECTIVE, UM, AND NOT LIMITING THOSE.
BUT I UNDERSTAND ALSO THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT IS IT GIVES CITIZENS A RIGHT TO COME BEFORE Y'ALL AND ADDRESS Y'ALL FOR PROBLEMS THAT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN ON THE AGENDA, BUT THEY'RE REAL PROBLEMS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.
AND SO I UNDERSTAND THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT.
UM, AND ALL THIS POLICY SAYS IS YES, WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT.
RIGHT? UM, UM, AND YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO USE OFFENSIVE LANGUAGE AS LONG AS THAT LANGUAGE IS NOT OTHERWISE A VIOLATION OF LAW.
AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS, WHAT THEY CAN'T DO IS THEY CAN'T COME UP HERE AND THREATEN TO BLOW UP THE BUILDING.
THEY CAN'T COME UP HERE AND THREATEN TO SHOOT YOU OR YOUR KIDS OR COMMIT ASSAULTS.
THEY CANNOT DO ANYTHING THAT'S A VIOLATION OF LAW AS FAR AS WHAT THEY SAY.
AND THERE ARE SOME, UM, UM, OFFENSES BY LAW THAT, UH, ARE JUST VERBAL.
AND THERE'S SOME THINGS I CAN SAY, AND I'M, AND I AM PROTECTED BY THE FIRST AMENDMENT.
THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT THE FIRST AMENDMENT DOESN'T PROTECT ME FROM.
AND SOME OF THOSE ARE LIKE TERRORISTIC THREATS AND DEATH THREATS AND ASSAULTS, UM, BY THREAT.
UM, AND SO THAT LANGUAGE, OF COURSE IS, IS NOT PROTECTED UNDER THIS POLICY.
UM, IT'S JUST THE, UM, OTHER LANGUAGE THAT'S, THAT, UM, IS NOT A VIOLATION OF LAW.
AND THEN C TALKS ABOUT, WELL, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN SOMEBODY VIOLATES THE RULES OF DECORUM? UM, AND WHAT IT SAYS IS BASICALLY YOU START VIOLATING IT, YOU'RE GONNA GET WARNED, THE MAYOR WILL WARN THEM OR THE CHAIRPERSON OF THE COMMITTEE.
AND THEN, UM, A, THAT PERSON DOESN'T HEEDED THEIR WARNING AND THEY CONTINUE WITH IT.
UM, THEY CAN BE REMOVED FROM THE, IF THEY'RE AT THE MIC, THEY CAN BE TOLD TO SIT DOWN.
IF THEY GO AND SIT DOWN AND THEY CONTINUE TO DISRUPT THE MEETING, THE MAYOR OR THE CHAIRPERSON CAN ORDER THEM REMOVED BY A PEACE OFFICER.
AND THE, AND, AND, UM, COUNCIL MEETINGS, OF COURSE, WE HAVE ONE HERE PRESENT ALL THE TIME.
AND SO UPON THE ORDER OF THE MAYOR TO ASK SOMEBODY TO BE REMOVED, THEY REFUSE TO BE REMOVED AND THEN THEY CAN BE ARRESTED, UM, BY LAW FOR CRIMINAL TRESPASS.
UM, UM, THAT DOESN'T NEED TO BE IN POLICY.
UM, UM, AND THEN IF IT'S NOT A COUNCIL MEETING, BUT A, UM, COMMITTEE MEETING, THEN OF COURSE WE ALWAYS HAVE A MARSHAL ON THE FRONT DESK.
AND SINCE COMMITTEE MEETINGS ARE ALWAYS HERE, UM, HERE AT CITY COUNCIL, THEN WHO'S ALWAYS AVAILABLE TO COME IN AND ASK SOMEBODY TO LEAVE.
AND THAT'S THE POLICY FOR DISRUPTION OF MEETINGS.
LIKE I SAID, IT'S NOTHING NEW.
IT'S JUST WE'VE NEVER HAD IT IN WRITING BEFORE.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMS. THANKS SIR.
IT, THIS TALKS ABOUT PUBLIC MEETINGS.
UM, IT COULD, IF THERE'S A QUORUM OF Y'ALL THAT SHOW UP, IT COULD BE, IT COULD INCLUDE NORMALLY.
SO GENERALLY NO, IT WOULD NOT, WE TRY NOT TO HAVE A QUORUM.
IT WOULD NOT INCLUDE TOWN HALLS.
BUT IT IS A PUBLIC MEETING, RIGHT? USUALLY A COUNCIL PERSON IS LEADING THAT PUBLIC MEETING.
DOES THIS APPLY AT ALL TO THIS PARTICULAR, THIS PARTICULAR POLICY DOES NOT APPLY TO THAT.
'CAUSE PUBLIC MEETING IN THIS CONTEXT IS A TERM OF ART.
IT IS ACTUALLY, UM, IT HAS TO DO WITH THE NUMBER OF Y'ALL PRESENT AND WHETHER OR NOT YOU'RE DISCUSSING PUBLIC MATTERS.
UM, IN SOME OF Y'ALL'S TOWN HALLS, YOU'RE COURSE DISCUSSING, UM, PUBLIC MATTERS, BUT THERE'S NOT A QUORUM.
BUT I THINK WHAT YOU CAN DO IN YOUR PUBLIC MEETINGS, BECAUSE I THINK IF I, Y'ALL CAN CORRECT ME, BUT I THINK Y'ALL RENT SPACE, UM, IN A PUBLIC BUILDING, BUT Y'ALL RESERVE SPACE.
SO IT'S A LIMITED OPEN FORUM AND NOT A PUBLIC FORUM IN THAT SENSE.
AND A LIMITED FORUM VERSUS A OPEN FORUM ARE COMPLETELY TWO SEPARATE THINGS WHEN IT COMES TO FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS.
AND SO IF Y'ALL HAVE RESERVED A SPACE IN THE LIBRARY, FOR EXAMPLE, TO HOLD YOUR, HOLD YOUR TOWN HALL, THAT'S A LIMITED FORM.
AND SO YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO ASK SOMEONE TO LEAVE WHO'S DISRUPTIVE.
'CAUSE YOU HAVE RESERVED THAT TIME AND THAT PLACE FOR YOUR INVITEES.
AND, UM, ALTHOUGH IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, YOU CAN QUICKLY BE UNINVITED REAL QUICK IF YOU'RE DISRUPTING THAT.
SO IN THAT REGARD, YES, BUT IT'S REALLY DOESN'T, THIS IS NOT WHAT THIS POLICY'S INTENDING TO ADDRESS.
I DIDN'T THINK SO, BUT I THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM OR ON THIS PARTICULAR COUNCILOR? HEDRICK, I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED SUGGESTIONS TO THE POLICIES.
NOW, OR KIND OF WERE VAGUE EARLIER ON, ON QUESTION, BUT I'M HAPPY TO DIVIDE ONE.
AND THIS IS ON, UH, ARTICLE I ONE, SECTION THREE PART A.
IT'S ON THE WORK SESSION AGENDA.
IT'S JUST THE ORDER OF THE AGENDA ITEMS, OR IT DOESN'T FOLLOW WHAT WE CURRENTLY PRACTICE.
THE EXECUTIVE SESSION IS AT THE VERY TOP.
UH, THAT'S USUALLY AT THE END OF OUR WORK SESSION MEETINGS.
THE, UH, WHAT, WAIT, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT? I'M SORRY.
THIS IS NOT THE, NOT THE, UH, POLICY ABOUT THE, UH OH, OKAY.
THIS IS JUST GENERAL THE COUNCIL POLICIES.
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AR ARTICLE ONE? YEAH.LET'S, LET'S HOLD ONTO THAT ONE.
LET'S GET A THUMBS UP OR DOWN, OR LET'S GET THIS ONE BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO, I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED AN HOUR LATER, SIR.
UH, SO, UH, THE, THE POLICY BEFORE ON DISRUPTION OF MEETINGS AND VIOLATIONS, UH, MOVING FORWARD, WE HAVE CONSENSUS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.
UH, LET'S DO MITCH'S AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU.
SIR, I KINDA LIKE SITTING IN THE CITY ATTORNEY'S CHAIR.
CAN I GIVE LEGAL ADVICE NOW? OH,
WHY ACT DIFFERENT NOW?
SO, MAYOR AND COUNSEL, THERE'S ONE OTHER, IT'S, IT'S RELATIVELY MINOR CHANGE, UH, PROPOSED IN THE COUNCIL POLICY, AND IT DEALS WITH THE NONPROFIT ASSISTANCE FOR SPECIAL EVENTS.
UH, AS YOU WELL KNOW, YOU SEE 7, 8, 10 TIMES A YEAR, THERE'LL BE A SMALL AMOUNT THAT WILL COME BEFORE YOU IN A CURRENT POLICY SAYS OVER $5,000 THAT'LL COME BEFORE YOU.
UM, AND SOME OF 'EM ARE 7,000, 10,000, 12,000.
I THINK THE LARGEST WAS $28,000 THIS PAST YEAR.
WHAT GOT US THINKING ABOUT THIS IS WE WENT THROUGH EARLIER IN THE YEAR, I THINK LAST YEAR, LOOKING AT REVISING, YOU KNOW, THE EXPENDITURE LEVELS, CITY MANAGER LEVELS AND ALL THAT.
SO WHAT WE CAME UP WITH AND WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO YOU IS MAKE THE CHANGE, INSTEAD OF BRINGING THOSE TO YOU AS THEY OCCUR, 8, 10, 12 TIMES A YEAR, WE WOULD BRING THEM TO YOU ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, OR YOU WOULD STILL SEE THE PROPOSED BUDGET.
I THINK WE HAVE $111,000 THAT IS FUNDED FOR THE NONPROFIT ASSISTANCE.
YOU WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO SEE 'EM, YOU WOULD SEE EACH ONE.
YOU WOULD STILL, IF THERE'S EIGHT FOR THAT YEAR, YOU WOULD SEE ALL EIGHT.
WE WOULD SHOW YOU WHAT WE HAVE PROPOSED FOR THE NEXT YEAR, AND THEN YOU WOULD SEE WHAT ACTUALLY WAS EXPENDED FOR THE CURRENT YEAR.
AS WE GO THROUGH, UH, NOT ALL OF THE FUNDS ARE ALLOCATED YET, AND THAT'LL BE ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALK ABOUT IN THE OPERATING NEXT YEAR.
BUT I THINK MOST OF THEM ARE ALLOCATED.
UH, I THINK IN THE COMMITTEE WE TALKED ABOUT THERE, YOU KNOW, IF THERE WAS A NEED FOR SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR SOME OF THESE NONPROFIT SPECIAL EVENTS, WE COULD BE ABLE TO HANDLE THAT.
BUT WHAT'S PROPOSED IN THE COUNCIL POLICY CHANGE WOULD BE TO, UM, OH, IT'S SECTION THREE, SUBSECTION D, AND IT TALKS ABOUT DOING IT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS AS PART OF THE ANNUAL OPERATING BUDGET.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S THE CHANGE WOULD BE INSTEAD OF EACH INDIVIDUAL TIME BRINGING YOU, UH, AND SEEKING YOUR APPROVAL FOR A 7,000 OR 15 OR $20,000 EXPENDITURE, WE WOULD BRING THEM TO YOU ONCE IN A YEAR IN A PROPOSED BUDGET AND THEN AGAIN, STILL SHOW YOU THE SAME INFORMATION YOU'VE SEEN.
WE JUST DO IT ONCE A YEAR INSTEAD OF EIGHT OR 10 TIMES A YEAR.
AND WOULD THERE BE, IF ONE OF THOSE EVENTS, IF THE BUDGET FOR ONE OF THOSE EVENTS DRASTICALLY CHANGED, WOULD THAT BE AN AMENDMENT, A BUDGET AMENDMENT, OR WE WOULD SEE, WE WOULD STILL SEE THAT IF, IF AN EVENT WENT FROM 7,000 TO 14,000 OR IS THERE, YOU WOULD SEE IT AS LONG AS IT'S WITHIN THE $111,000, WE WOULD STILL BRING IT TO YOU.
UH, DURING THE BUDGET, WE WOULD HAVE IT PROPOSED.
EACH YEAR WE HAVE MINOR CHANGES.
USUALLY IT'S TWO OR THREE $4,000 FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GO BEYOND THAT WITHOUT COUNSEL APPROVAL.
IF WE WERE GONNA GO BEYOND THAT AMOUNT.
SO AS LONG AS WOULD, AS LONG AS THE EVENTS STAY WITHIN THE BUDGETED AMOUNT, WE WOULD NOT SEE THEM COME BACK THROUGH.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE PROPOSED ONE BEFORE YOU.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE AND CONSENSUS YES.
TO MOVE FORWARD? THAT WOULD BE UNANIMOUS.
COUNCIL MEMBER HEDRICK, WE'RE GONNA COME BACK TO YOU.
SO THE ORDER OF THE WORK SESSION AGENDA, THOSE ITEMS JUST DON'T FOLLOW OUR CURRENT OKAY.
I'LL LOOK AT THAT AND I'LL DO IT AS WE PRACTICE THEM.
SO YOU'RE, UM, IT'S IN THE POLICY.
IS THIS SHOWS AT THE END? IS THAT WHAT IT'S CURRENTLY SHOWING? IT WE'RE THE EXECUTIVE SESSIONS, THE BEGINNING, UH, CONSIDERING THE CONSENT AGENDA IS SOMEWHERE NEAR THE BOTTOM, IT'S JUST REALLY OKAY.
NOT IN OUR, YEAH, IT'S JUST THAT THEY'RE OUTTA SEQUENCE.
ANY ADDITIONAL ITEMS TO BRING FORWARD? SO, UM, OBVIOUSLY OUR, OUR MEETING SCHEDULE FOR THIS MONTH IS, IS, I MEAN, WE'RE MEETING NEXT WEEK.
UM, SO DO WE WANT TO SET, UH, GIVE EVERYBODY TIME TO GO HOME? THINK ABOUT IT, RIGHT? I MEAN, DO WE WANT THEM TO CONTACT YOU DIRECTLY WITH THEM VIA EMAIL? THAT'D BE GREAT.
IF THEY, IF Y'ALL HAVE SOMETHING THEN UM, Y'ALL CAN, UM, CONTACT ME DIRECTLY AND
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I CAN BRING IT BACK AND, UH, THE WHOLE COUNCIL CAN DISCUSS IT.AND OFTENTIMES WHAT HAPPENS IS SOMEBODY WILL CONTACT ME ABOUT WHAT THEY CONSIDER A POLICY MATTER.
IT TURNS OUT IT'S ACTUALLY AN ORDINANCE MATTER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO SOMETIMES WE CAN WHITTLE STUFF DOWN JUST BECAUSE IT'S NOT ACTUAL POLICY, IT'S AN ACTUAL ORDINANCE AND, UM, IT GETS CONFUSED AT TIMES.
IT IS THAT THERE IS A REALLY WEIRD LINE YES.
IN THERE BETWEEN ORDINANCE AND POLICY
UH, SO WE ARE LOOKING AT FORMAL ADOPTION SECOND MEETING IN JANUARY.
YOU SAID THAT'S FINE WITH, IF THAT'S FINE WITH YOU.
I THINK THAT'S GENERALLY, UH, AND THERE WAS ONE ITEM, AND I BELIEVE IT WAS DISCUSSED, I, AND IT KIND OF FELL INTO THAT ORDINANCE VERSUS POLICY, UH, WITH THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE.
AND THAT WAS APPOINTEE ATTENDANCE, I BELIEVE.
BUT IT WAS, THEY WERE LOOKING AT PUSHING IT INTO ORDIN OR LOOKING AT PUSHING IT INTO THE CHARTER, BUT THEN I THINK IT WAS PUSHED BACK TO POLICY.
YEAH, IT'S IN, IT'S CURRENTLY IN POLICY, THE ATTENDANCE REQUIREMENTS FOR APPOINTEES.
AND SO, UM, UM, IT'S PROBABLY NOT SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY BEST TO GO INTO A CHARTER PER SE, RIGHT.
AT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE CITY.
IT'S REALLY BETTER BY POLICY, SO, OKAY.
AND THERE WAS, BUT WEREN'T THEY DISCUSSING AMENDING? YES, THERE, THERE WAS A DISCUSSION.
I DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS OF WHAT EXACTLY THEY WERE WANTING TO CHANGE ABOUT THAT.
I NEED TO, UH, THE HONORABLE SMITH HAD BEEN TALKING TO ME ABOUT IT THE OTHER DAY AND I, I, I HAVE LOST SOME OF THE DETAILS, SO I WILL CATCH UP WITH HIM ON THAT.
UM, PERTINENT TO WHAT YOU WERE JUST SAYING, I THINK PART OF THIS WAS RICOCHETING BACK AND FORTH AND ENDED UP, THE LAST THAT I HEARD WAS, UM, LOOKING AT REVISING THE BYLAWS, COUNCIL REVISING THE BYLAWS OF THE, UH, BOARD SAYING COMMITTEE.
TO ADD IN JUST ANOTHER LAYER OF, AND, AND SOME OF THAT'S ORDINANCE, RIGHT? FOR, ESPECIALLY FOR THE BIGGER, UM, UM, COMMITTEE.
SO THE PLAN, COMMISSION AND BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS AND SOME OF THAT STATE LAW ALSO.
AND SO WHEN YOU GET TO BYLAWS, UM, UM, MOST OF THAT, ESPECIALLY FOR THE BIGGER, UM, BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ARE GONNA BE BY ORDINANCE.
AND THEN THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE DONE BY POLICY FOR THE SMALLER ONES.
AND SO IT'LL DEPEND ON, WE MAY HAVE TO ORDER COMMISSION TALK OFFLINE ABOUT THAT, JUST AS FAR AS OKAY.
GETTING IT CLEAR IN MY HEAD, BUT THANK YOU.
UH, ANY ADDITIONAL THINGS HERE THIS EVENING FOR THIS ITEM? OBVIOUSLY, UM, CAN SEND THEM TO MR. ENGLAND.
UM, SO, UH, IT WOULD COME BACK TO US AT THAT WORK SET.
THE, THE SECOND WORK SESSION, I WOULD SAY IT'D COME BACK THE FIRST WORK SESSION AND THEN THE SECOND MEETING.
SO COMES BACK SECOND FIRST WORK SESSION IN JANUARY.
CONSIDER FORMAL CONSIDERATION.
[4.e. GP&L Recovery Adjustment Factor]
TO ITEM FOUR, E-G-P-N-L, RECOVERY ADJUSTMENT FACTOR.MR. KLEIN, MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, I DO NOT THINK MY PRESENTATION'S LOADED UP HERE, SO I'M STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW YOU'RE GONNA DO THIS WITHOUT THE CITY ATTORNEY.
HE'S BEEN INVOLVED IN EVERYTHING TONIGHT.
I NEED THE CITY ATTORNEY TO COME UP HERE AND THERE WE GO.
YOU GOTTA BE FASTER THAN THAT.
ALL RIGHT, MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, GOOD EVENING.
DARRELL KLEIN, GARLAND POWER AND LIGHT.
SOME OF Y'ALL MAY RECALL, A FEW MONTHS AGO WHEN WE WERE WORKING ON THE FY 24 OPERATING BUDGET, WE WERE PROPOSING A RATE DECREASE FOR GPNL.
OBVIOUSLY, IF YOU'VE BEEN FOLLOWING WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON IN ERCOT AND THE SUMMER THAT WE'VE JUST HAD, UH, THINGS HAVE DRAMATICALLY CHANGED.
SO JUST WHEN THE SHORT PERIOD OF TIME LOOKING FROM A RATE DECREASE TO A RATE INCREASE, WHICH WAS EFFECTIVE DECEMBER 1ST, LAST FRIDAY.
SO I WANTED TO GO OVER, UH, BRIEFLY WITH THE COUNCIL, SOME OF THE DRIVING FACTORS BEHIND, UH, WHAT WE SAW IN ERCOT THIS SUMMER THAT IS RESULTING IN THIS, UH, THIS INCREASE.
UH, SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING ERCOT, UH, THROUGH THE MEDIA OVER THE PAST, UH, SEVERAL MONTHS MAY HAVE HEARD ABOUT
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CONSERVATIVE OPERATIONS THAT ERCOT IS OPERATING CONSERVATIVELY.PRIMARILY WHAT THAT MEANS IS ERCOT IS PROCURING ADDITIONAL ANCILLARY SERVICE PRODUCTS.
AND WHAT ANCILLARY SERVICE PRODUCTS ARE TRADITIONALLY WOULD BE RESOURCES THAT ARE USED TO HELP SUPPORT THE GRID AS FAR AS MAINTAINING FREQUENCY.
ALSO, TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF RESERVE THERE JUST IN CASE THERE'S A, UH, OH ON THE, ON THE MARKET OR THE GRID.
LET'S SAY YOU HAVE A UNIT THAT TRIPS OFFLINE OR, OR COTT MISSES THEIR FORECAST.
YOU HAVE SOME RESERVES IN PLACE THERE THAT YOU CAN BRING ONLINE TO HELP COVER THAT ISSUE.
HOWEVER, POST WINTER STORM URI ERCOT HAS MORE THAN DOUBLED THE ANCILLARY SERVICES THAT IT'S PROCURING.
IT USED TO PROCURE ABOUT 4,000 MEGAWATTS OF POWER, UM, TO KIND OF SET ASIDE FOR THESE, UH, ANCILLARY PRODUCTS.
AND NOW THEY'RE PROCURING ALMOST 9,000 MEGAWATTS.
WHAT THAT MEANS IS BASICALLY YOU'VE TAKEN RESOURCES OUT OF THE MARKETPLACE TO, TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE ENERGY AND YOU SET THEM TO THE SIDE.
SO WHAT THIS IS DOING IS ESSENTIALLY REDUCING YOUR SUPPLY THAT'S AVAILABLE TO MEET THAT ENERGY DEMANDS.
SO FROM A PRICING STANDPOINT, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, IF YOU'VE GOT YOUR SUPPLY, REDUCES IN YOUR DEMAND IS THE SAME OR INCREASES WHAT HAPPENS TO PRICES, PRICES GO UP.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IN THE ERCOT MARKET IS BECAUSE OF THIS BASICALLY SETTING THIS, THESE RESOURCES TO THE SIDE, IT'S HAVING PRICE PRESSURES, UH, ON IN THE MARKETPLACE.
SO I, I DECIDED TO GO BACK IN AND LOOK AT SOME OF THE ARTICLES THAT WERE WRITTEN RIGHT BEFORE ERCOT INSTITUTE AT WHAT'S CALLED THE, UM, ERCOT, UH, CONTINGENCY RESERVE SERVICE, WHICH IS ALSO KNOWN AS ECRS.
SOME OF THESE ARTICLES TALKED ABOUT IT WOULD HAVE A NEGLIGIBLE IMPACT ON CUSTOMER'S.
BILL ONE ARTICLE EVEN HAD THAT IT WOULD BE EITHER WHERE FROM, FROM TWO ONE HUNDREDS TO 25, 1 HUNDREDTHS OF A CENT PER KILOWATT HOUR EFFECT ON SOMEBODY'S BILL.
SO TODAY AT THE ERCOT TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING, THE INDEPENDENT MARKET MONITOR FOR ERCOT GAVE THEIR PRESENTATION ON THE EFFECTS OF THE CONSERVATIVE OPERATIONS OF ERCOT THIS SUMMER, THAT NUMBER WAS $12 BILLION OF COST ASSOCIATED WITH ERCOT CONSERVATIVE OPERATIONS.
SINCE JUNE, JUNE IS WHEN ERCOT INSTITUTED THE ECRS, THAT IS B BILLION, NOT MILLION.
IT USED TO BE PRICE FORMATION HAPPENED IN THE ERCOT MARKET.
WHEN SUPPLY AND DEMAND GOT TO A MARGIN OF ABOUT 3000 MEGAWATTS, THAT'S WHEN YOU WOULD START SEEING PRICES REALLY START TO KIND OF TAKE OFF IN THE MARKET.
AND IT TYPICALLY WOULD BE ON AN UPWARD CURVE, KIND OF A LITTLE BIT LIKE A HOCKEY STICK, BUT, UH, SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT.
UM, BUT WHAT'S HAPPENED NOW IS BECAUSE THEY'RE PROCURING SO MUCH OF THESE ANCILLARY SERVICES AND SETTING THEM TO THE SIDE, PRICE FORMATION IS HAPPENING EARLIER.
SO INSTEAD OF 3000 MEGAWATTS, IT'S HAPPENING AT 6,000 MEGAWATTS.
SO NOW YOU'RE GETTING HIGHER PRICES SOONER.
THE OTHER THING THAT WE'VE SEEN HAPPEN IS WITH BATTERY STORAGE.
BATTERY STORAGE HISTORICALLY HAS BEEN A SMALL CONTRIBUTOR TO THE OVERALL ERCOT MARKET, BUT IT IS INCREASING BATTERIES IN THIS PARTICULAR SUMMER, BECAUSE MARGINS WERE SO TIGHT BECAUSE OF THE INTENSE HEAT THAT WE HAD AS WELL AS GROWTH ON THE SYSTEM, BATTERIES BECAME MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THIS SUMMER.
AND IN FACT, THEY WERE DISPATCHED MANY TIMES, UM, IN RESPONSE TO SOME OF THE TIGHTNESS WE WERE SEEING IN THE MARKETPLACE.
BATTERIES RIGHT NOW ARE BEING PRICED SOMEWHERE IN THE MARKET AROUND 3000 TO $5,000 A MEGAWATT.
IF YOU LOOK AT KIND OF WHERE NORMAL PRICING IS IN THE SUMMERTIME, IT'S ABOUT, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED DOLLARS OR SO.
SO YOU CAN SEE KIND OF THE MAGNITUDE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND YOU COULD SEE THIS SUMMER, WHENEVER THE BATTERIES WOULD BE DISPATCHED, YOU WOULD WATCH, YOU'D HAVE PRICES MAYBE AT $75 OR A HUNDRED DOLLARS A MEGAWATT, AND THEY WOULD JUMP UP TO 3000, 4,000, $5,000 A MEGAWATT, AND THEY'D STAY THERE FOR ABOUT 30 MINUTES AND FALL BACK DOWN.
AND THEN THEY'D GO BACK UP AGAIN.
AND YOU SAW THE SPIKINESS THAT'S HAPPENING IN THE MARKETPLACE BECAUSE OF THE DISPATCHING OF THE, OF THE BATTERIES.
AND SO THAT CAUSED ALL SORT, ALL SORTS OF UNCERTAINTY IN THE MARKETPLACE BECAUSE OF THIS PRICE SPIKINESS, THE VOLATILITY THAT YOU'RE SEEING.
THE OTHER THING THAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE MARKETPLACE, AND IN FACT YOU CAN, YOU GO ALONG GEORGE BUSH AND YOU CAN SEE IT GO UP 78, GO TOWARDS LEVON, YOU CAN
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SEE ALL OF THE GROWTH.GROWTH HAS CONTINUED TO HAPPEN IN TEXAS AND IT'S NOT JUST RESIDENTIAL, SMALL COMMERCIAL TYPE OF GROWTH.
YOU HAVE GROWTH THAT'S HAPPENING IN ERCOT IN TEXAS THAT IS OF OF MASSIVE SCALE.
YOU'VE HEARD OF BITCOIN MINING.
THERE ARE BIT BITCOIN MINING FACILITIES WHOSE LOAD IS GREATER THAN THAT OF THE CITY OF GARLAND THAT HAVE COME ONTO THE SYSTEM.
YOU TAKE THIS SUMMER'S WEATHER SECOND HOTTEST SUMMER ON RECORD, HOTTEST AUGUST ON RECORD, AND YOU COUPLE THAT WITH GROWTH AS A COMPOUNDING EFFECT.
UH, AS FAR AS WHAT YOU NEED TO MEET, UH, WITH REGARDS TO ELECTRICITY DEMAND.
I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE HAD THIS NEXT ITEM REALLY UP AROUND WHERE WE HAVE THE, UH, CONSERVATIVE OPERATIONS AND THE ERCOT CONTINGENCY RESERVE SERVICE.
'CAUSE THIS IS WHAT REALLY IS DRIVING, UM, THE CONSERVATIVE OPERATIONS OF ERCOT.
IT'S WHAT'S NOT CALLED NON DISPATCHABLE GENERATION COMPARED TO DISPATCHABLE GENERATION.
AND WHEN WE SAY DISPATCHABLE, THAT MEANS IT'S CONTROLLED BY HUMAN HUMAN CONTROL.
WE CAN, WE CAN OPERATE THAT, WE CAN START IT, WE CAN CONTROL IT.
NON DISPATCHABLE IS NOT REALLY CONTROLLED BY HUMAN EFFORT.
THAT WOULD BE LIKE WIND OR SOLAR.
SO IF YOU THINK OF YOUR RENEWABLES VERSUS YOUR THERMAL GENERATION, YOUR NATURAL GAS, YOUR COAL, YOUR NUCLEAR, THIS IS REALLY WHAT'S DRIVING THESE ISSUES IS BECAUSE WITH ALL THE GROWTH THAT'S HAPPENING ON THE SYSTEM AS FAR AS DEMAND, WE HAVEN'T HAD CORRESPONDING GROWTH WITH REGARDS TO DISPATCHABLE GENERATION.
IT'S BEEN MORE OF THE NON DISPATCHABLE OR RENEWABLE, WELL THAT'S MORE VOLATILE.
AND SO ERCOT IS MAKING ADJUSTMENTS WITH REGARDS TO HOW IT'S OPERATING THE SYSTEM BECAUSE IT WANTS TO BE SUPER, I'M NEED TO SAY, YOU COULD ARGUE HYPER CONSERVATIVE WITH REGARDS TO HOW THEY'RE OPERATING THE SYSTEM.
SO THIS IS REALLY A BIG DRIVER RIGHT NOW, THAT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE THERMAL DISPATCHABLE GENERATION AND THE RENEWABLE GENERATION CAUSING VOLATILITY WITHIN THE MARKETPLACE.
ANOTHER THING THAT'S HAPPENED, AND THIS THIS OCCURRED ON NOVEMBER 1ST, ERCOT, IS, HAS ADDED IN WHAT THEY'RE CALLING A BRIDGING SOLUTION.
THIS BRIDGING SOLUTION IS SUPPOSED TO TRY TO PUT ADDITIONAL DOLLARS AS IF $12 BILLION IS NOT ENOUGH ADDITIONAL DOLLARS INTO THE MARKETPLACE TO TRY TO HELP ENCOURAGE EXISTING THERMAL GENERATION TO STAY IN THE MARKET AND POTENTIALLY INCENTIVIZE NEW THERMAL GENERATION.
THIS BRIDGING SOLUTION, WHAT IT'S DOING IS WHEN YOU'RE OPERATING RESERVES IN ERCOT GET, UM, TO 7,000 MEGAWATTS OR BELOW, THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL $10 PER MEGAWATT OR BASICALLY A PENNY PER KILOWATT HOUR THAT'S ADDED TO THE ERCOT COST.
WHEN THOSE RESERVES DROP DOWN TO BELOW 6,500 MEGAWATTS, THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL $10 OF MEG PER MEGAWATT THAT'S ADDED BASICALLY 2 CENTS PER KILOWATT HOUR THAT'S ADDED TO THE MARKET PRICE.
THIS IS A BRIDGING SOLUTION TO WHAT IS CALLED PCM OR THE PERFORMANCE CREDIT MECHANISM THAT THE PUBLIC UTILITY COMMISSION AT ERCOT APPROVED THIS PAST YEAR AS THEIR SOLUTION TO TRYING TO GET THE GRID WHERE THEY WANT IT TO BE FROM A RESOURCE STANDPOINT.
NOW, I'M GONNA STEP BACK A LITTLE BIT.
WHEN THIS PCM THIS PERFORMANCE CREDIT MECHANISM WAS APPROVED, THE LEGISLATURE HAD SOME QUESTIONS ON IT.
UH, THEY WERE A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY WOULD BE SPENT AND WHAT ACTUALLY WOULD BE BUILT AS FAR AS NEW GENERATION.
AND SO THE LEGISLATURE PUT A CAP OF $1 BILLION ASSOCIATED WITH ADDITIONAL REVENUE GENERATION WITH THE PCM THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER, ERCOT CHANGES WERE $12 BILLION FROM JUNE OF THIS YEAR.
I'LL JUST GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE MAGNITUDE THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH, WITH REGARDS TO SOME OF THE CHANGES WITHIN THE ERCOT MARKETPLACE.
NOW, WHAT DIDN'T HELP US WAS POWER, POWER PLANT PERFORMANCE FOR US.
UM, WE HAD ROUGHLY ABOUT 70% AVAILABILITY THROUGH THE SUMMER.
THAT EQUATES TO SOMEWHERE AROUND A HUNDRED TO 125 MEGAWATTS OF CAPACITY THAT AT TIMES WAS NOT AVAILABLE.
UH, I THINK ALL OF US KNOW THAT WE'VE GOT OLDER UNITS, UM, ANYWHERE FROM THE LATE SIXTIES OR EARLY SEVENTIES AS FAR AS AGE, UH, OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, THOSE UNITS, UM, HAVE NOT BEEN CALLED ON THAT OFTEN TO RUN.
BUT THIS SUMMER WAS VERY DIFFERENT.
UH, I EQUATE IT TO A 1971 CHEVY NOVA THAT YOU'VE BEEN DRIVING AROUND ON THE WEEKENDS TO GO TO GROCERY
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STORE AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'RE ASKING THAT CHEVY NOVA TO START DRIVING DAILY TO YOUR COMMUTE.THAT'S TO DOWNTOWN FORT WORTH.
AND THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT WE WERE ASKING THEM TO DO THIS SUMMER.
AND SO THEY REALLY STRUGGLED, UM, THROUGH THIS SUMMER.
SO WHAT WE LOOKED AT WERE A COUPLE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS AS FAR AS THE POWER SUPPLY AND THE EFFECTS OF BOTH ERCOT, THE CHANGES THAT THEY'VE MADE, AS WELL AS THE EXPERIENCE THAT WE HAD ON THE POWER PLANTS THIS SUMMER.
ONE THING WE LOOKED AT WAS JUST STATUS QUO.
WE ASSUMED THAT THOSE UNITS ARE GONNA BE AVAILABLE WHEN NEEDED A HUNDRED PERCENT AVAILABILITY, AND WE DON'T DO ANY TYPE OF HEDGING TO TRY TO PROTECT OUR POSITIONS.
THE OTHER THING WE LOOKED AT IS THAT WE ASSUME THAT WE HAVE SAME TYPE OF AVAILABILITY WE HAD THIS SUMMER, WHICH IS THE 70%, AND THAT WE ALSO GO AND PROCURE HEDGES TO COVER THOSE POSITIONS, ASSUMING THE PLANTS ARE NOT AVAILABLE.
WE LOOKED AT A TWO YEAR TIMEFRAME.
UM, PART OF THE REASON WHY WE LOOKED AT A TWO YEAR TIMEFRAME IS WE FELT LIKE THAT WAS A SUFFICIENT TIME FOR US TO BE ABLE TO GET TO THE UNITS WHERE WE BELIEVE THEY NEED TO BE BASED UPON THE WAY THAT THAT ERCOT HAS CHANGED HOW THEY'RE OPERATING UNITS.
UM, WE TARGETED MONTHS THAT HAD HIGHER COST POTENTIAL, SO SUMMER MONTHS AND WINTER MONTHS AS FAR AS DOING ADDITIONAL HEDGING.
AND THEN WE WENT IN AND TRIED TO BALANCE THE COST AND LOAD COVERAGE.
'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE COULD COVER EVERYTHING BY PURCHASING SOMETHING, BUT THERE'S A COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
SO WE WANTED TO TRY TO HAVE A BALANCE BETWEEN THE TWO.
AND SO WHAT THIS SLIDE SHOWS YOU IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT WE HAD BUDGETED AND FORECAST FORECASTED.
AND THIS WAS AS OF THE END OF MAY, FIRST PART OF JUNE OF THIS YEAR WHEN WE WERE DOING OUR BUDGET AND FORECAST.
SO THIS WILL GIVE YOU I AN IDEA OF THE SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF CHANGE THAT'S HAPPENED IN ERCOT JUST IN THIS SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.
SO IF WE LOOK AT THE STATUS QUO SCENARIO FOR FY 24, THE INCREASE IN OUR ENERGY COST, OUR POWER COST IS ALMOST $29 MILLION.
IF YOU LOOK AT FY 25 UNDER THE STATUS QUO, IT'S ABOUT $16 MILLION.
AND YOU MAY ASK WHY IS 25 FY 25 LOWER THAN FY 24? CURRENTLY, THE FORWARD MARKETS ARE SHOWING THAT THE PRICES ARE LOWER AS PART OF THE ANTICIPATION OF SOME ADDITIONAL SOLAR AND BATTERY THAT WOULD BE COMING ONLINE.
SO ADDITIONAL SUPPLY THAT WOULD BE THERE HELPING TO BRING DOWN SOME OF THE COST.
UH, IF WE LOOK AT THE WELL FOR THE TOTAL FOR THE TWO YEARS IS A $44 MILLION INCREASE WITH AN ANNUAL AVERAGE OF ABOUT $22 MILLION.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S THE STATUS QUO.
IF WE LOOK AT DOING ADDITIONAL HEDGING, UH, THE TOTAL COST OVER THOSE TWO YEARS WOULD BE 56.8 MILLION.
ANNUAL AVERAGE IS ABOUT 28.4 MILLION.
AND SO FROM A RATE IMPACT THE STATUS QUO, UH, THIS IS JUST THE COST INCREASING WITH US, ASSUMING EVERYTHING THE SAME, THE COST INCREASE FROM, FROM MAY, JUNE OF THIS YEAR TO NOW, UH, THAT RATE INCREASE WOULD BE A, A PENNY AND A QUARTER.
IF YOU DID THE HEDGING SCENARIO, YOU'D BE LOOKING AT A PENNY AND A HALF.
AND SO BASICALLY FOR YOUR AVERAGE CUSTOMER, THE MONTHLY BILL UNDER THE STATUS QUO WOULD BE $15 A MONTH.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE G HEDGES SCENARIO, IT WOULD BE $18 A MONTH.
WHAT WE PURSUED WAS THE G PANEL HEDGES SCENARIO.
UM, AND I'LL ACTUALLY, LET ME GO BACK TO THAT.
WE LOOKED AT, IT'S A QUARTER OF A CENT.
IT'S A $6 MILLION DIFFERENCE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE AVERAGE ANNUAL COST.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT HOW WE PERFORMED, UM, IN AUGUST ALONE, UH, IT WAS WELL OVER $6 MILLION DIFFERENCE IN COST BY NOT HAVING THOSE UNITS AVAILABLE.
SO WE THOUGHT IT WAS A PRUDENT DECISION TO GO AHEAD WITH THE, UM, GMAIL HEDGING SCENARIO AND HAVING THAT AS FAR AS REFLECTED IN THE RATE INCREASE.
AND WHERE WE BE DOING THE RATE INCREASE IS WHAT'S CALLED OUR RECOVERY ADJUSTMENT FACTOR BY ORDINANCE.
WE CAN ADJUST THAT ON A MONTHLY BASIS.
UH, IF YOU GO BACK MANY YEARS, MANY YEARS AGO, GARLAND POWER AND LIGHT DID ADJUST ON A MONTHLY BASIS TO REFLECT ITS FUEL AND ENERGY COST.
SEVERAL YEARS AGO, WE ELECTED TO, UM, TO GO WITH SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE MORE CONSTANT AND STABLE, AND SO WE DON'T ADJUST THE RATES QUITE AS OFTEN.
UH, THE LAST ADJUSTMENT WAS LAST JULY, UH, ASSOCIATED WITH THE RAF.
AND SO, UH, THIS PAST FRIDAY, WE INCREASED THAT, UH, WHICH WAS DECEMBER 1ST.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S THE PEN AND HALF INCREASE, UH, ASSOCIATED WITH THE, UM, UH, THE RAF.
AND SO THIS GIVES YOU A COMPARISON OF GP L'S CURRENT RE WELL
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WOULD'VE BEEN CURRENT RATES AS OF NOVEMBER 30TH.UM, AND ALSO THE RATE CHANGE THAT HAPPENED DECEMBER 1ST.
THE DARK, THE DARK BLUE LINE WOULD'VE BEEN THE RATE THAT WAS IN PLACE AS OF NOVEMBER 30TH.
UH, AND THE GREEN LINE NEXT TO IT WOULD'VE BEEN OUR GREEN CHOICE RATE.
AND YOU SEE THOSE ARE THE LOWEST THAT ARE ON THE COMPARISON.
UH, THE NEW RATE, AND AGAIN, THIS WOULD'VE BEEN AS OF NOVEMBER 1ST.
UM, THE NEW RATE IS THE LIGHTER BLUE, WHICH WOULD SHOW US AS THE FOURTH LOWEST.
AND THEN THE, UM, LIGHTER GREEN WOULD BE THE GREEN CHOICE RATE.
NOW WE UPDATE THIS CHART AT THE FIRST OF EVERY MONTH.
AND SO, UM, DECEMBER 1ST WHEN WE UPDATED THIS CHART, THE MARKET'S ACTUALLY MOVED UP.
IF YOU SEE THE AVERAGE RATE'S 15.40 CENTS, IT'S MOVED UP TO 15.70 CENTS.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHERE WE ARE FROM A POSITIONAL STANDPOINT, WE WOULD BE THE SECOND LOWEST ON THE CHART.
UH, GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO OF HOW CLOSE WE ARE TO BEING THE LOWEST THE AVERAGE CUSTOMER.
THEIR MONTHLY BILL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE LOWEST AND US IS 13 CENTS A MONTH.
UH, AND TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHERE WE, WHERE WE STAND, IF YOU LOOK AT KIND OF THE AVERAGE RATE, THE 15.70 CENTS THAT IS NOW IN DECEMBER COMPARED TO WHERE OUR RATE IS THE AVERAGE, UH, RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMER, IT'S ABOUT $28 A MONTH DIFFERENCE.
OURS IS 28, 20 $8 A MONTH LOWER THAN WHAT THE AVERAGE RESIDENTIAL RATE IS.
UH, WHEN YOU LOOK AT DECEMBER 1ST.
NOW, I KNOW IT MAY LOOK GOOD FROM A COMPETITIVE STANDPOINT, BUT NOBODY LIKES A RATE INCREASE.
DOESN'T MATTER WHERE YOU ARE COMPETITIVELY, NOBODY LIKES TO SEE A RATE INCREASE.
AND SO, UM, WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE GONNA BE SOME CUSTOMERS THAT WILL BE STRUGGLING.
AND SO, UH, WE'VE GOT SOME DIFFERENT THINGS WE'D LIKE TO PRESENT.
UH, FIRST THING WITH REGARDS TO THE CUSTOMER SERVICE SIDE AND TALKING WITH, UH, KEVIN AND HIS GROUP, IT'S REALLY IF, IF A CUSTOMER THINKS THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE AN ISSUE, IF THEY CAN REACH OUT EARLY ON RATHER THAN LATER, IT'S, OUR FOLKS WILL DEFINITELY WORK WITH, WORK WITH, UM, THE CUSTOMERS.
UH, YOU KNOW, THE CITY'S ARE VERY GOOD ABOUT THAT.
AND SO, BUT IF, IF YOU NOTIFY EARLIER, IT'S BETTER TO DO THAT THAN LATER IF YOU THINK YOU'RE GONNA HAVE AN ISSUE.
UM, THE CITY OF GARLAND DOES HAVE SOME CUSTOMER ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS, UH, THROUGH THE FRIENDSHIP HOUSE AND ALSO SALVATION ARMY.
UH, IN ADDITION, UH, GPNL WILL BE CONTRIBUTING ADDITIONAL $50,000, UM, TO THIS PROGRAM.
THERE ARE ALSO SOME OTHER LOCAL AGENCIES THAT HELP, UM, WITH REGARDS TO, UH, ISSUES THAT PEOPLE MAY HAVE WHEN THEY'RE, THEY'RE STRUGGLING WITH THEIR UTILITY BILLS.
AND WE HAVE THOSE LISTED THERE THAT CAN ALSO BE FOUND ON THE WEBSITE, THE LINK THAT'S, UH, PROVIDED IN THE PRESENTATION, UH, ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE.
UH, IN ADDITION, DALLAS COUNTY HAS SOME ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS WITH REGARDS TO UTILITY BILLS AS WELL AS ENERGY EFFICIENCY, UM, PROGRAMS. AND, UH, THEY CAN BE CONTACTED AT THE PHONE NUMBER THERE, THE (214) 819-8148, UH, AS WELL AS THE WEBSITE.
AND THEN LASTLY, WE KNOW THAT, UM, MANY OF THOSE PROGRAMS ARE GONNA BE GEARED TOWARDS INCOME, UH, LIMITATIONS.
AND SO NOT EVERYBODY WOULD BE ELIGIBLE.
SO THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO AS FAR AS TRYING TO SAVE ENERGY.
AND, UH, ON THE GN L WEBSITE, WE HAVE VARIOUS ENERGY SAVER TIPS.
ALSO, THERE'S THE ENERGY AUDITS THAT, UH, CAN, CAN BE DONE AT HOMES TO TRY TO HELP WITH REGARDS TO, UM, LOWERING THOSE UTILITY BILLS.
AS FAR AS THE, THE LEVEL OF USAGE, UH, IN ADDITION, UH, ON OUR WEBSITE AS WELL AS THE CITY'S WEBSITE, UH, THERE'S INFORMATION WITH REGARDING THE, UH, THE RATE INCREASE.
AND THEN ALSO IT'LL BE IN THE JANUARY, FEBRUARY CITY PRESS THAT SHOULD BE RELEASED TOWARDS THE END OF THIS MONTH, UH, AS FAR AS INFORMATION OUT TO THE CUSTOMERS.
AND WITH THAT, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? VERY GOOD.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. KLEIN? I SEE NONE.
AND, AND YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB OF, OF GETTING INFORMATION TO COUNSEL, UH, AS FAR AS BEING ABLE TO COMMUNICATE THIS OUT.
SO I THINK THAT HAS BEEN A HUGE, HUGE HELP.
[4.f. Development Services Committee Report]
ITEM UNDER VERBAL BRIEFINGS, I BELIEVE, UH, IS ITEM FOUR F, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES COMMITTEE REPORT.YEAH, HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT TWO ITEMS THAT THE COMMITTEE WOULD LIKE TO REPORT ON TODAY.
THE FIRST ITEM IS, UH, REGARDING RECEPTION
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FACILITIES.THE COMMITTEE LOOKED AT THE SIZE AND HAD A RECOMMENDATION TO SPLIT RECEPTION FACILITIES INTO TWO PARTS.
ONE WOULD BE A LARGE SCALE AND ONE WOULD BE A SMALL SCALE.
AND, UM, MR. GURNEY, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING ON THAT OR I CAN CONTINUE TO NOT REALLY A PRESENTATION ON THAT, COUNCILMAN.
IT'S MAINLY ON THE ZONING ONE.
REALLY THE DIFFERENCE ON THIS ITEM IS THAT SMALL SCALE RECEPTION FACILITIES WOULD BE ANY FACILITY WITH 49 OCCUPANTS OR FEWER.
AND LARGE SCALE WOULD BE OBVIOUSLY ABOVE THAT.
UH, THOSE FACILITIES WOULD BE, THE SMALL SCALE WOULD BE ALLOWED BY WRIGHT IN THE COMMERCIAL RETAIL, THE LIGHT COMMERCIAL HEAVY COMMERCIAL, AND THEN THE INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICTS, WHILE THE LARGE SCALE RECEPTION FACILITIES WOULD BE BY SUP ONLY IN THOSE SAME DISTRICTS.
AND THAT'S, UM, THIS CONSISTENT ALREADY WITH THIS LARGE SCALE, THEY'RE ALREADY ALLOWED BY SUP, JUST A SMALL SCALE WILL NOW BE ALLOWED BY RIGHT IN THOSE AREAS.
AND ONE ITEM THAT WE DID HAVE IN THE LAND USE MATRIX, THERE WAS A PARKING REQUIREMENT COLUMN THAT THE, IT SAYS NA FOR SMALL SCALE.
AND I BELIEVE THAT'S, UH, AN ERROR AND NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED.
IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
WE'LL, WHEN WE'LL BRING IT BACK FORWARD FOR FORMAL APPROVAL, WE'LL BE SURE TO ADD IN THE PARKING RATIO FOR THAT.
SO JUST THE DIVISION DIVISION BETWEEN LARGE SCALE AND SMALL SCALE RECEPTION FACILITIES ALLOWED BY RIGHT.
SO HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE.
I HAVE NO ONE IN THE QUEUE, SO I'M GONNA ASK THE QUESTION.
UH, WE HAVE CONSENSUS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SPLITTING THE TWO SIZES, SO TO SPEAK.
AND THE NEXT ITEM HAS TO DO WITH OUR ZONING PATH OR HOW WE GET TO A ZONING, HOW A DEVELOPER ENTERS AND ACHIEVES THE ZONING RESULT THAT THEY WISH TO SEE IN THEIR, UH, DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
YOU HEARD THE GENTLEMAN, MR. JOHNSON TESTIFY EARLIER TODAY ABOUT HOW SOME DEVELOPERS ARE, UH, DISMAYED AT OUR ONEROUS PROCESS ABOUT THE LENGTH AND THE COST REQUIRED.
AND MR. GARIN HAS A PRESENTATION WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE COMMITTEE HAS REGARDING THIS.
VERY GOOD, OH, HANG ON A SECOND.
UH, BEFORE STAFF PRESENTS AN OVERVIEW OF, UH, OF THE ZONING PATHS AND OUR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS, I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE COUNSEL WITH AN OVERVIEW OF, UH, SEVERAL DIFFERENT INITIATIVES THAT ARE IN THE WORKS IN REGARDS TO OUR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS.
UM, 'CAUSE THERE THERE IS A LOT OF, UH, A LOT OF IRONS IN THE FIRE AS IT WERE.
UH, THE FIRST OF WHICH IS, UH, THE COUNCIL TASK, THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES COMMITTEE WITH, UH, LOOKING AT OPPORTUNITIES FOR IMPROVEMENT WITHIN OUR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS.
UH, AND, AND THAT REALLY STARTS FROM WHEN WE GET A PHONE CALL FROM A DEVELOPER WITH AN IDEA ALL THE WAY TO WHEN THAT THAT STRUCTURE GETS BUILT AND GETS, UH, A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY SO THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS, IT'S THAT WHOLE PROCESS START TO FINISH, UM, FIRST CONTACT ALL THE WAY TO WHEN THEY ACTUALLY OPEN THE BUSINESS OR GET A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY OR HAVE TENANTS.
UM, THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE LOOKED AT.
UM, AND PART OF THAT PROCESS, YOU GUYS HAVE A LOT OF VISIBILITY INTO THAT, SO PARTICULARLY ON THE ZONING PATH, AND THAT'S WHAT, WHAT WILL'S GONNA TALK ABOUT TONIGHT.
BUT, UH, STAFF OWNS A LOT OF THE REST OF THAT PROCESS FROM START TO FINISH.
THERE'S A TON OF INTERACTION THAT, UH, OUR TEAMS IN PLANNING, UH, ENGINEERING BUILDING INSPECTIONS, UH, FILLED, UH, OR SORRY, FILLED INSPECTIONS THERE.
THERE'S A DOZENS OF STAFF THAT GET INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS.
AND SO WHEN WE STARTED TO LOOK AT THIS WHOLE PROCESS, WE, WE KNOW THAT WE NEEDED SOME BACKUP IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO, UH, LOOK AT THE PROCESS.
AND SO AS, AS COUNCIL KNOWS, WE BROUGHT ON A CONSULTANT THAT HELPED US, UM, PUT IN A LOT OF EFFORT AND HARD WORK TO REVIEW THAT WHOLE PROCESS AND LOOK FOR AREAS OF IMPROVEMENT.
UM, AND OVER TIME IS, ESPECIALLY AS WE GET, UH, A NEW SOFTWARE SYSTEM THAT'S GOING TO, UH, THAT'S GOING TO ACTUALLY, UM, STREAMLINE THAT PROCESS CLARITY, WHICH COUNCIL APPROVED EARLIER THIS YEAR, UM, THAT'S REALLY GONNA HELP US IMPROVE THOSE INTERNAL WORK STREAMS THAT HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE OF SORT OF COUNCIL'S VIEW, UH, UH, INTO THE PROCESS.
BUT, UH, JUST KNOW THAT, UM, TONIGHT YOU'RE HEARING ABOUT SORT OF THE POLICY QUESTIONS AND, AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR COUNCIL TO GET INVOLVED, JUST KNOW BEHIND THE SCENES THAT STAFF IS DOING THEIR PART, UH, TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE, TO THE PROCESS.
UH, THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO MENTION IS THAT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN THAT COUNCIL APPROVED, UH, SPEAKS TO, UM, UH, REALLY THAT OUR BEST ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TOOL IS TO HAVE A PREDICTABLE, FAIR, CONSISTENT AND FAST PROCESS.
AND, AND I TOTALLY AGREE IN MY MANY YEARS OF EXPERIENCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, THAT DEVELOPERS TAKE CONSIDERABLE RISK.
UH, THEY PUT, THEY, THEY PUT A LOT
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ON THE LINE, AND HAVING A FAIR, CONSISTENT, STREAMLINED PROCESS IS THE BEST ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TOOL THAT WE CAN HAVE.AND SO AS WE KICKED OFF THIS EFFORT WITH STAFF, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I ASKED THEM WAS, UM, WHAT IF WE, AS THE CITY OF GARLAND HAD THE BEST DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS? WHAT IF WE DEVELOPED A REPUTATION FOR HAVING THE BEST PROCESS, UH, AND WHAT A COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE THAT WOULD BE FOR THE CITY, UH, IN ALL OF OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ENDEAVORS? AND SO IT WAS WITH THAT VISION THAT WE KIND OF KICKED IT OFF, UM, THIS PROCESS AND, AND STARTED LOOKING INTO THINGS.
THE LAST THING I WANTED TO TOUCH ON WILL, AND IF YOU'LL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE HERE, IS THAT FUNDAMENTAL TO THE CITY'S DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS IS PLAN DEVELOPMENT ZONING.
AND SO I WANTED TO SORT OF TALK ABOUT WHERE WE'RE AT NOW AND, AND WHERE WE WANT TO GO, UH, WITH THESE CHANGES.
UM, HISTORICALLY PLANNED DEVELOPMENT ZONING WAS, WAS SET UP, UM, YOU KNOW, IN THE POST-WORLD WAR II ERA OF QUARTER ACRE LOTS AND, YOU KNOW, 1400 SQUARE FOOT HOMES THAT WERE BUILT ALL ACROSS AMERICA'S SUBURBS.
UM, WE REALIZED, AND, AND DEVELOPERS AND BUILDERS REALIZED THAT NOT EVERYBODY WANTS TO LIVE IN, IN THAT SCENARIO.
AND SO, UH, THE, THE STRAIGHT ZONE DISTRICTS OF THE FORTIES, FIFTIES AND SIXTIES EVOLVED INTO, HEY, CAN WE DEVELOP SOME FLEXIBILITY WITH THAT ZONING, UH, TO PROVIDE FOR SMALLER LOTS AND ZERO LOT LINES AND MULTIFAMILY? AND I'LL DO THAT ALL IN A, IN A COHESIVE PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
THAT'S WHERE THE PD, UM, REALLY ORIGINATED.
UH, BUT THE KEY IN ALL THAT IS THAT A PLAN DEVELOPMENT IS ITS OWN ZONING DISTRICT, AND LITERALLY IT'S A BLANK CANVAS.
YOU CAN, YOU CAN WRITE IN ANYTHING YOU WANT.
UM, HOW WE CURRENTLY USE THAT TOOL IS THAT, UH, REALLY THE DEVELOPER IS IN THE DRIVER'S SEAT.
SO THEY'LL COME IN WITH A PROPOSAL IF IT'S MULTIFAMILY, IF IT'S RETAIL, UH, WHATEVER IT IS.
AND IF IT DOES NOT ALIGN WITH ONE OF OUR STRAIGHT ZONES, THEN WE SORT OF DEFAULT TO SEND THEM ON THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT ROUTE, MEANING THAT IT'S KIND OF A DEFACTO VARIANCE PROCESS, MEANING THAT THEY CAN'T MEET THOSE BASE STRAIGHT ZONE STANDARDS.
AND SO THEY'RE GONNA DO A PLAN DEVELOPMENT TO ACCOMMODATE WHAT WE CALL, WE CALL 'EM DEVIATIONS.
YOU HEAR ABOUT THAT IN THE, IN THE PRESENTATIONS THAT WE BRING FORWARD ON THE, ON THE DIFFERENT CASES, UM, WHEN REALLY OUR, OUR PDSS ARE KIND OF WRITTEN AS AN OVERLAY ON THAT STRAIGHT ZONE DISTRICT WITH THE DEVIATIONS BUILT INTO IT.
UH, WHAT I WANT TO GET US TO, AND WHERE I THINK, UH, GARLAND CAN GO IS TO PUT US IN THE DRIVER'S SEAT.
THE PD IS A VERY POWERFUL TOOL.
CITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY USE IT.
UM, FOR US, I THINK IT'S A PATH TO PROVIDING THE HIGHEST AND BEST USES AND HIGHER QUALITY DEVELOPMENT.
UM, IT'S ALSO A TOOL TO MAXIMIZE WHAT, WHAT VERY LIMITED LAND WE HAVE LEFT AND AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO USE, UH, OR TO REALLY STREAMLINE REDEVELOPMENT.
UH, ALL THE EASY PARCELS HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED IN GARLAND.
AND SO EITHER NOW WE ARE DEVELOPING REALLY, REALLY DIFFICULT PARCELS THAT HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, TOPOGRAPHICAL CHALLENGES.
THERE'S, UH, IN THE FLOODPLAIN, UM, OR WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT PARCELS FOR REDEVELOPMENT, WHICH ARE EVEN, YOU KNOW, REPRESENT A WHOLE DIFFERENT LEVEL OF, OF DIFFICULTY.
SO EITHER, EITHER WAY THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT TOOL CAN GIVE US, UM, CAN GIVE US A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY AND ALLOW US TO ALIGN FUTURE DEVELOPMENT WITH THE PLANS THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE.
WE HAVE A LOT OF CATALYST PLANS.
WE HAVE ENVISIONED GARLAND, WE HAVE TRAILS AND PARKS, MASTER PLANS, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, MASTER PLAN PDS CAN HELP US, UH, CAN HELP US GET THERE.
BUT IT'S REALLY A FUNDAMENTAL CHANGE IN HOW WE USE THIS TOOL.
AND, AND AGAIN, STAFF OWNS A LOT OF THAT PROCESS, MEANING THAT UPFRONT, SOON AS THAT DEVELOPER CALLS, WE'VE GOTTA BE FOCUSED ON TALKING APPROPRIATE LAND USE WITH THEM AND REALLY CALL, UH, USING THE PD TOOL TO PUSH FOR HIGHER QUALITY DEVELOPMENT.
SO, UH, KIND OF PART AND PARCEL WITH THIS, UH, WHAT YOU'RE GONNA HEAR TONIGHT IS THAT, UH, WE OWN A A SIGNIFICANT PART OF THIS CHANGE, THIS FUNDAMENTAL CHANGE THAT'S GONNA TAKE PLACE WITH OUR, WITH OUR PD TOOL.
UM, THERE'S SOME POLICY IMPLICATIONS AND OPPOR OPTIONS FOR YOU GUYS, WHICH WILL BE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT.
BUT ON OUR SIDE, IT'S REALLY ABOUT, UM, HELPING THE DEVELOPERS NAVIGATE THAT PROCESS AND SETTING EXPECTATIONS UP FRONT THAT WE WANT HIGHER QUALITY DEVELOPMENT AND WE WANT USES THAT ARE GOING TO, UH, THAT ARE GOING TO BENEFIT THE CITY.
AND BECAUSE OUR, OUR, AS A CITY, OUR BIGGEST, OUR BIGGEST ASSET IS OUR LAND.
AND I SHOULD SAY OUR BIGGEST ASSET IS REALLY THE PEOPLE OF GARLAND.
BUT NEXT TO THAT, IT'S, IT'S LAND.
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UH, IS, UH, YOU KNOW, ALL 57 SQUARE MILES OF GARLAND, UM, EVENT, THERE'S A LAND USE ASSOCIATED WITH ALL THOSE 57 SQUARE MILES THAT DRIVES THE RESOURCES, THE REVENUE THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO SERVE THE CITIZENS OF GARLAND.AND SO MAKING WISE CHOICES WITH EVERY PIECE OF LAND IS GOING TO DRIVE THE ULTIMATE BENEFIT BACK TO THE BACK TO THE CITIZENS OF GARLAND.
SO ANYWAYS, LONG STORY SHORT, UM, WILL'S GONNA SUM IT UP A LOT BETTER THAN I DID, BUT, UM, JUST WANTED TO SHARE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PD ZONING AND HOW THIS IS KIND OF A FUNDAMENTAL CHANGE FOR THE CITY OF GARLAND MOVING FORWARD.
I'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE HERE.
UM, AS JUDD MENTIONED, THIS IS JUST ONE OF, UM, ONE PIECE OF, OF MANY, UM, UH, ASPECTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN THE ZONING PROCESS.
OF COURSE, I'VE JUST GOT KIND OF ALTERNATE ZONING PATHS HIGHLIGHTED.
THERE IS, UM, KIND OF WHAT I'M LEADING AS FAR AS PROCESS IMPROVEMENTS, BUT YOU CAN SEE, UH, THERE'S JUST A FEW EXAMPLES OF OTHER, UM, ITEMS IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, STAFF MEMBERS ARE KIND OF OWNING AND, UM, MAKING A LOT OF, A LOT OF CHANGES, UH, ACTUALLY AS WE, AS WE SPEAK, FINDING A LOT OF QUICK WINS, BUT THEN THERE'S SOME OTHER KINDA LONGER TERM THINGS AS WELL.
BUT LIKE JUDD SAID, EVERYTHING FROM YOUR, UM, PRE-DEVELOPMENT MEETING, ALL THE WAY TO CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT.
SO, UM, SO TONIGHT'S FOCUS ON ZONING, OF COURSE, UM, TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE CURRENT PROCESS, THE CURRENT ZONING PROCESS FROM A DEVELOPER'S PERSPECTIVE, UM, REALLY OUTSIDE OF STRAIGHT ZONING, WHICH STRAIGHT ZONING DOESN'T INVOLVE OR REQUIRE, UM, MUCH IN THE WAY OF ANY TYPES OF PLANS.
BUT, UH, ASIDE FROM THAT, UH, THE PROCESS DOES REQUIRE DETAILED PLANNING DOCUMENTS, INCLUDING ENGINEERING, SCHEMATICS, DETAILED SITE PLAN, UH, LANDSCAPE PLAN, UM, DETAILED BILLING ELEVATIONS WHERE WE'RE TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT ALL THE MAKE SURE IT MEETS ALL THE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS OF THE, OF THE GDC, UM, AND MORE.
AND SO FROM A DEVELOPER'S PERSPEC PERSPECTIVE, HE OR SHE CANNOT CLOSE ON THE, UM, PURCHASE OF A PROPERTY UNTIL ZONING ENTITLEMENT IS SECURE.
THEY TYPICALLY WANT THAT, THAT ZONING CASE, THAT DETAILED PLAN, WHATEVER IT IS, UM, APPROVED BY COUNSEL BEFORE THEY'RE GONNA CLOSE ON THAT PIECE OF LAND.
AND, UH, SO IT, THAT'S REALLY A, A, A BIG HOLDUP, UM, OR WAITING POINT FOR THEM.
SO THEREFORE, FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE, THE SHORTEST AND LOWEST COST PATH TO ENTITLEMENT IS, UH, IS GONNA BE DESIRED.
SO, UM, AS JUDD MENTIONED, THE UH, CONSULTANT TEAM FROM DYLAN MORGAN, UH, CONSULTANTS KIND OF HELPED US.
AND THEY ACTUALLY INTERVIEWED A FEW, UM, DEVELOPERS AND THEIR CIVIL ENGINEERS THAT HAVE GONE THROUGH OUR PROCESS.
UM, SOME NEWER ONES AND THEN SOME MORE, UM, VETERAN ONES KIND OF THROUGH OUR PROCESS.
BUT, UH, JUST A FEW QUOTES HERE.
UM, THE GARLAND PROCESS IS ONE OF THE MORE UPFRONT, UH, COST BURDENSOME PROCESSES COMPARED TO WITH OTHER CITIES.
AND ANOTHER ONE HERE WAS, WE AS DEVELOPERS EXPEND BETWEEN 200 AND $300,000 IN CONSTRUCTION DESIGN AND DOCUMENTATION, UH, NOT RELATED TO LAND USE PRIOR TO ENTITLEMENT.
SO THAT'S REALLY KIND OF GOING INTO YOUR DETAIL PLANS AND ALL THE ENGINEERING SCHEMATICS THAT GO INTO THAT, UM, PRIOR TO KNOWING WHETHER THEY CAN ACTUALLY HAVE THAT LAND USE, WHETHER THEY CAN, UM, EVEN HAVE THAT BASIC ZONING THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE REQUESTING TESTING.
UM, SO JUST A FEW, UH, UH, POINTS THERE THAT GARLAND.
AS FAR AS THE SUMMARY GOES, UH, GARLAND'S, UH, FRONT LOADED PROCESS, UM, IS VERY DETAILED AND COSTLY IN THE EARLIER STAGES OF DEVELOPMENT, OFTEN BEFORE ENTITLEMENT IS SECURED.
THERE, OF COURSE, IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR MORE STREAMLINED PATH, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN THE NEXT FEW SLIDES.
UM, AND OF COURSE, THIS IS ONE OF THE PATHS HERE AND AN OBSERVATION THAT, UM, STAFF AND DMC KIND OF CAME OUT WITH, WHICH IS THAT DETAILED PLAN CASES CAN BE ELIMINATED WHERE USE IS ALREADY ALLOWED, UH, PER THAT EXISTING PD AND WHERE ALL PD AND GDC REQUIREMENTS ARE MET.
SO OCCASIONALLY, EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, COUNSEL, YOU'LL SEE A DETAILED PLAN THAT COMES FORWARD THAT THE USE IS ACTUALLY ALREADY ALLOWED IN THAT PD.
UM, THERE'S NO DEVIATIONS, THERE'S NO AMENDMENTS TO THE PD OF ANY KIND.
UM, AND SO IT REALLY, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN SCALE BACK IN THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES COMMITTEE, UH, CERTAINLY RECOMMENDED DOING SO.
SO WITH THAT, UM, FOUR DIFFERENT PATHS WE'VE KIND OF, UH, OUTLINED, UM, HERE.
AND SO BASED ON THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF DEVELOPERS, THERE MAY BE A DIFFERENT DESIRE AND DIFFERENT, UM, JUST DEPENDS ON THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE SITE AND WHAT TYPES OF FLEXIBILITY THEY MAY BE SEEKING, UM, AND THE TYPE OF PROJECT.
BUT I'LL, I'LL GO THROUGH, I'VE GOT SLIDES ON EACH PATH HERE, BUT TO KIND OF GO FROM ONE TO FOUR HERE, UM, PATH ONE IS, IS OF COURSE, STRAIGHT ZONING.
UM, THAT'S JUST YOUR BASIC ZONING APPLICATION OR ZONING CASE WHERE IT'S, UH, PERHAPS A ZONING CHANGE FROM AGRICULTURAL TO COMMUNITY RETAIL.
THERE'S NO PLANS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY CHANGES WITH THAT APPLICATION TYPE OR THAT PROCESS.
SO THAT WILL, UH, REMAIN IN PLACE.
THE FOCUS WILL BE MORE ON PATHS TWO, THREE, AND FOUR.
SO PATH TWO IS KIND OF WHAT I JUST ALLUDED TO IN THE LAST SLIDE, WHICH IS THAT, UM, OCCASIONAL SCENARIO WHERE THERE'S AN EXISTING PD AND A DEVELOPMENT WANTS TO COME
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FORWARD.AND THAT PD IS ONE OF THE CONDITIONS THAT SAYS A DETAIL PLAN SHALL BE REQUIRED THROUGH THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS.
BUT WE LOOK AT IT AND THE LAND USE IS ALREADY ALLOWED IN, IN THE PD, THE ZONING IS REALLY NOT AN ISSUE.
SO IT KIND OF CHECKS THAT BOX.
AND TURNS OUT THEY'RE NOT REQUESTING ANY VARIANCES, DEVIATIONS, THERE'S REALLY NOTHING IN THE PD THAT NEEDS TO BE AMENDED.
SO THAT'S CERTAINLY AN OPPORTUNITY, UM, TO, UH, ESSENTIALLY WAIVE THAT DETAILED PLAN, ALLOW AND ALLOW THOSE SCENARIOS TO GO FORWARD, UM, STRAIGHT TO, UH, PERMITTING TO C SITE PERMITTING.
UH, PATH THREE, THIS WOULD BE NEW.
THIS IS A PLAN DEVELOPMENT, UH, IF A DEVELOPER CHOOSES TO GO TO THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT ROUTE, OF COURSE, WITH CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF OF GETTING THERE.
BUT IF, UM, IF THIS PATH IS CHOSEN, THIS WOULD BE WITH A CONCEPT PLAN.
UM, AND WE'LL KIND OF TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THAT CONCEPT PLAN LOOKS LIKE.
BUT THIS WOULD BE OF COURSE, UM, UH, HUGELY SCALED BACK FROM ANY TYPE, ANYTHING THAT WOULD RESEMBLE A DETAILED PLAN.
I'VE GOT A FEW EXAMPLES TO SHOW IN A FEW SLIDES HERE, BUT THAT IS, UH, ONE KIND OF STREAMLINED PATH THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE, UH, FOR DEVELOPERS, AND THAT HAS SOME, UM, CERTAINLY HAS SOME PROS WITH IT AND, AND SOME, SOME RISK FACTORS TOO AS WELL FOR THE DEVELOPER.
UH, BUT THEN PATH FOUR WOULD STILL BE A, A, UM, WHAT WE HAVE TODAY AS FAR AS A PLAN DEVELOPMENT WITH A DETAILED PLAN, AND I SHOULD CLARIFY, COUNSEL, THESE ARE OPTIONS.
SO THE CONCEPT PLAN PATH THREE, THE DETAIL PLAN, PATH FOUR, EACH OF THESE WOULD BE OPTIONS FOR A DEVELOPER.
SO THEY COULD CHOOSE EITHER ONE.
UM, THEY GO THE CONCEPT PLAN AND THEN HAVE TO COME BACK THROUGH THE PROCESS FOR A DETAILED PLAN.
THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
SO AS AN OPTION, UM, HAVE A PLAN DEVELOPMENT WITH A DETAILED PLAN.
HOWEVER, UM, IN, UM, NUMEROUS MEETINGS WITH STAFF, THE GREATER TEAM PLANNING, ENGINEERING, FIRE BUILDING, INSPECTION, TRANSPORTATION, WE IDENTIFIED, UM, SOME AREAS WHERE WE CAN ACTUALLY SCALE BACK THE REQUIREMENTS ON THE DETAIL PLAN, ESPECIALLY KIND OF FROM AN ENGINEERING AND UTILITY PERSPECTIVE.
UM, SO I'LL GO INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
BUT EVEN THAT PATH FOR DETAIL PLAN, SHOULD A DEVELOPER CHOOSE IT WOULD BE SCALED BACK FROM HOW THEY, UH, THESE DETAIL PLANS LOOK TODAY.
SO AGAIN, I'M JUMPING STRAIGHT TO PATH TWO.
'CAUSE PATH ONE IS STRAIGHT ZONING.
WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY, UH, CHANGES WITH THAT.
SO AGAIN, THIS PATH TWO, THIS IS THE SCENARIO WHERE THE, UH, ZONING ALREADY ALLOWS A PROPOSAL.
UM, THERE'S REALLY NO DETAIL PLAN NECESSARY.
IN FACT, THERE'S REALLY SOME LEGAL RISK.
'CAUSE WHEN WE BRING THOSE TYPES OF DETAIL PLANS FORWARD, AND THERE'S NO, UM, IT MEETS ALL TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS, INCLUDING THE USE ITSELF.
THERE CAN BE SOME LEGAL RISK IF IT'S DENIED.
UM, IT, IT'S ALMOST, ALMOST HAS TO BE TREATED LIKE A PLAT, UH, WHERE THEY'RE MORE MINISTERIAL.
SO, UM, IS IT REALLY NECESSARY TO NOTIFY NEIGHBORS AND DO ALL THE ZONING PROCEDURES FOR SOMETHING THAT REALLY KIND OF HAS TO, UM, BE ALLOWED IF IT MEETS ALL THE REQUIREMENTS AND CHECKS ALL THE BOXES? SO, UM, I'VE, UH, FOUND THAT ROUGHLY ABOUT THREE TO FIVE TIMES A YEAR WE SEE THESE.
UM, SO THE ADVANTAGE OF, OF ESSENTIALLY WAIVING THIS TYPE OF DETAIL PLAN WHEN IT MEETS THIS SPECIFIC SCENARIO AND SENDING IT ON TO PERMITTING AND, AND NOT GOING THROUGH THE WHOLE ZONING DETAIL PLAN PROCESS, THAT CAN SAVE THEM A GOOD FOUR TO SIX MONTHS, UM, IF NOT MORE, UH, IN TIME.
AND WITH THAT TIME AND, AND ALL THE MONEY THAT GOES INTO THOSE PLANS.
UM, THIS IS JUST A NUMBER BASED ON SOME DEVELOPER INTERVIEWS, UH, THAT WE HAD, BUT ABOUT 200 TO $300,000 IN CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS THAT CAN BE MOVED OR SAVED UPFRONT AND MOVED TO THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE WHERE THEY KNOW THEY HAVE THAT ENTITLEMENT.
UH, OF COURSE IT DOES REDUCE THAT RISK OF, UM, YOU KNOW, NOW THEY KNOW THEY HAVE THE ENTITLEMENT, THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND RISK POSSIBLY GETTING DENIED EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE REALLY NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING, UM, NEW OR, OR SOMETHING THAT THE CODE OR THE, THE, AN EXISTING PD DOESN'T ALLOW.
AND THEN, OF COURSE, OBVIOUSLY SHORTENS THE OVERALL PROJECT SCHEDULE FOR A DEVELOPER.
SO, UM, PATH THREE, THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN DEVELOPMENT WITH A CONCEPT PLAN.
AGAIN, THIS WOULD BE AN OPTION FOR A DEVELOPER.
UM, SO THIS WOULD BE, UH, YOU KNOW, PRESENTED WITH THE FOCUS ON LAND USE AND A MUCH LIGHTER TOUCH REGARDING SITE, SITE LAYOUT DETAILS.
UM, REALLY THE PD CONDITIONS OR REGULATIONS ARE THE MAIN APPROVAL CONSIDERATION.
JUDD KIND OF TOUCHED ON IT EARLIER, THAT OFTENTIMES PDS ARE, UH, YOU KNOW, BLANK SLATE WHERE YOU REALLY WRITE THE ZONING DISTRICT AND WRITE THE REGULATIONS FOR THAT SITE.
UM, SO REALLY THAT'S GONNA BE REALLY THE MEAT OF THIS ZONING CASE.
AND OF COURSE, THE LAND USE ITSELF, UH, WHATEVER THE TYPE OF ZONING LAND USE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PROPOSING.
BUT AS FAR AS THE SPECIAL CONSIDERATIONS, THAT WOULD REALLY BE MORE THE MEAT OF THE, THE, UM, THIS TYPE OF APPLICATION.
AND THERE WOULD BE A CONCEPT PLAN WITH IT, WHICH I'VE GOT SOME EXAMPLES TO KINDA SHOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND HOW THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FROM A, FROM A DETAILED PLAN.
UM, BUT OBVIOUSLY SOME COST AND TIME SAVINGS HERE FROM A DEVELOPER'S PERSPECTIVE, BECAUSE IT'S A LOT LESS UPFRONT.
UM, UM, ALMOST LIKE CONSTRUCTION LEVEL TYPE WORK THAT'S NOT HAVING TO BE DONE BEFORE THEY KNOW THEY HAVE A ZONING ENTITLEMENT, UM, IN PLACE.
UM, IT ALIGNS GARLAND WITH SOME OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE OR ARE TRANSITIONING TO REDEVELOPMENT.
UM, I FOUND THAT MCKINNEY ACTUALLY MADE
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A VERY SIMILAR CHANGE THEIR ZONING PROCESS A FEW YEARS AGO IN THAT THEY DON'T REQUIRE PLANS WITH THEIR, UM, PDS.AND THEY DID THAT PURPOSELY, UM, TO, UM, BECOME MORE DEVELOPMENT FRIENDLY.
AND SO, UM, AND WE FOUND KIND OF THIS, THIS, UM, PATH IS PROBABLY GONNA BE A LOT FRIENDLIER TO YOUR SMALLER INFILL REDEVELOPMENT TYPE SITES.
I, I THINK, UM, THE, THE DETAIL PLAN AS IT IS TODAY IS CATERED MUCH MORE FOR LARGER, MORE KIND OF REALLY LARGER, MORE GREENFIELD TYPE SITES.
SO ANYWAY, THIS PATH IS A LITTLE MORE FRIENDLY TOWARDS THAT.
UM, UH, AS I SAID, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO FOCUS ON LAND USE AS WELL AS, RIGHT, THE PD AND PD CONDITIONS TO, UM, LEVERAGE BETTER DEVELOPMENT.
CERTAINLY, LIKE JUDD SAID, THIS IS DEFINITELY AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, KIND OF WRITE THOSE CONDITIONS, UM, AS IT COMES IN AS MORE OF A BLANK SLATE VERSUS KIND OF JUST TAKING, UM, A BASE ZONING OF A, OF A EXISTING ZONING DISTRICT IN THE GDC AND THE JUST KIND OF IDENTIFYING WHERE IT VARIES FROM THAT.
SO, UH, SO DEFINITELY A DIFFERENT APPROACH.
UM, AND YEAH, AGAIN, COST SAVINGS.
UH, ONE NOTE OF COURSE IS THAT SUBSEQUENT ZONING RESUBMITTAL AND PLAN COMMISSION COUNCIL HEARINGS, THEY MAY BE REQUIRED IF A VARIANCE OR A DEVIATION OF SOME KIND THAT'S NOT ELIGIBLE FOR EITHER STAFF OR BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT APPROVAL, UM, THERE, THERE COULD BE THAT RISK OF IT HAVING TO COME BACK, BUT AT LEAST IT'S MUCH LESS, UM, UH, SHOULD BE MUCH LESS TIMELY AND AND COSTLY IN TERMS OF PLANNING DOCUMENTS UPFRONT WITH THIS PATH.
SO JUST TO SHOW SOME EXAMPLES.
SO, UM, I'M, I'M GONNA GONNA ACTUALLY SHOW SOME EXAMPLES FROM THE PAST.
UH, SO THIS ONE ACTUALLY WAS A CONCEPT PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED WITH THE, UM, MY POSSIBILITIES PLAN DEVELOPMENT ZONING BACK IN 2018.
UM, CONCEPT PLANS DID, JUST AS A BRIEF BACKGROUND, THEY EXISTED PRIOR TO 2019 BEFORE THE SHOCK CLOCK LAW REGARDING PLANS WAS IN EFFECT, WHICH OF COURSE NOW HAS GONE AWAY, UH, WHICH IS GREAT.
UM, BUT AT THAT TIME, CONCEPT PLANS, THEY WERE AN OPTION FOR DEVELOPERS, BUT THEY STILL HAD TO COME BACK FOR A DETAILED PLAN IF, IF THEY WENT THAT OPTION.
SO THEY HAD THE OPTION OF EITHER STARTING WITH A CONCEPT PLAN, GETTING AN UPFRONT ENTITLEMENT, BUT THEN HAVING TO COME BACK OR THEY COULD GO STRAIGHT TO A DETAILED PLAN.
BUT, UM, WHAT'S NOTABLE ABOUT THIS, AND, AND THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE DISCUSSED WITH ENGINEERING, YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF SAYING, OKAY, WE HAVE A CONCEPT PLAN, WHAT, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA BE CAREFUL ABOUT, NOT NECESSARILY ENTITLING SOMETHING THAT IS NOT GONNA WORK IN TERMS OF FEASIBILITY, IF IT'S NOT A FEASIBLE LAYOUT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO ONE OF THE KEYS ON THIS TYPE OF LAYOUT, IT OBVIOUSLY IS VERY CONCEPTUAL, BUT IT'S A LITTLE BIT ABOVE AND BEYOND JUST A BUBBLE PLAN.
IT DOES SHOW KIND OF A STREET, STREET, UH, LAYOUT NETWORK.
IT SHOWS KIND OF GENERALLY WHERE THE HOMES WILL BE BASED ON THEIR, UM, BASED ON THE LOT TYPES AND KIND OF WHERE THE GREEN SPACE WILL BE.
UM, BUT WHAT IT DOES NOT SHOW IS IT DOESN'T SHOW DIMENSIONS.
IT DOESN'T SHOW THE, THE WIDTHS OF THE STREET.
UM, IT DOESN'T SHOW EXACT MEASUREMENTS OF HOW, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW EXACTLY HOW MUCH SPACE THE HOMES ARE TAKING UP VERSUS HOW MUCH OPEN SPACE.
IT'S JUST, IT'S STILL VERY CONCEPTUAL, BUT IT'S A LITTLE BIT ABOVE AND BEYOND JUST A, UM, WE'VE SEEN SOME WHERE IT'S JUST A, A CIRCLE THAT SAYS RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL.
SO IT, IT'S A LITTLE BIT A, UM, MORE HELPFUL THAN THAT.
THIS IS ACTUALLY SOMETHING A CONSULTANT DID FOR US A FEW YEARS BACK WITH THE, UM, ROSE HILL, UM, AREA, PART OF THE I 30 CATALYST AREA PLAN.
BUT, UM, THE, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE SOME LAYOUTS THERE, BUT JUST FOR EXAMPLE, THE MUL, THIS WAS MULTI-FAMILY, SO IT DOES SHOW A, UM, A GENERAL LAYOUT.
THE IDEA HERE IS THE BUILDINGS KIND OF ARE PARALLEL TO THE, TO THE STREET, SO IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A LITTLE MORE URBAN DESIGN, URBAN STYLE DEVELOPMENT.
UH, BUT AGAIN, NO DIMENSIONS, NOTHING MUCH MORE DETAILED THAN THAT, JUST OTHER THAN JUST KINDA SHOWING THE GENERAL LAYOUT.
SO PATH FOUR WOULD BE THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT WITH A DETAIL PLAN.
UM, AGAIN, THIS PATH WOULD BE OPTIONAL FOR DEVELOPERS.
SO THIS, THIS MAY BE SOMETHING WHERE A DEVELOPER, UM, IF THEY WANT MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A FEASIBILITY STUDY TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, A LAYOUT DOES WORK, IF THEY'RE WILLING TO SPEND JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME, A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, IN TERMS OF COST, UM, TO MAKE SURE DEVELOPMENT WORKS IN TERMS OF ITS LAYOUT, UM, HAVE ENGINEERING AND FIRE AND, AND THOSE FOLKS TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
UM, OR PERHAPS IT, IT MAY BE A SITUATION WHERE IT, UM, THEY MAY THINK IT MIGHT BE BETTER IF THEY HAVE MORE DETAILS TO SHOW, KIND OF IN THE HEARINGS OR WITH MEETINGS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO THIS WOULD STILL INCLUDE, OF COURSE, A, A SITE PLAN AS A SITE PLAN WITH THE ZONING CASE, BUT WITH LESS DETAILS SUCH AS EASEMENTS, UTILITY LOCATIONS.
UM, WE'D BE PULLING BACK THE LANDSCAPE PLAN AS A LANDSCAPE PLAN FROM KIND OF, FROM ENGINEERING'S PERSPECTIVE.
UM, REALLY TRIGGERS A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT THEY'LL WANNA LOOK AT AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, WATER LINES, UM, UH, CERTAIN TYPES OF EASEMENTS, UH, FIRE HYDRANTS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, ANY KIND OF THING THAT TIES IN
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WITH WATER AND IRRIGATION AND UTILITIES.UM, AND I'VE GOT A LIST KIND OF A SIDE BY SIDE SHOWING WHAT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN A DETAILED PLAN VERSUS WHAT WOULD NOT.
UM, BUT AGAIN, THIS, THIS WOULD BE SCALED BACK FROM, UH, KIND OF DETAILED PLANS AS YOU SEE 'EM TODAY.
UH, WE'D BE PULLING OUT KINDA THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
THERE'D BE A LITTLE LESS DETAIL SHOWN ON THEM, WHICH, UM, AGAIN, IS KIND OF A BIG POINT OF FEEDBACK THAT A LOT OF DEVELOP DEVELOPERS SHARED.
UM, IN TERMS OF COST, IT WAS ESTIMATED THAT ABOUT THIS WOULD ACTUALLY SAVE BETWEEN 120 AND $180,000.
UH, THOSE WERE BASED ON JUST TESTIMONY FROM DEVELOPERS.
AND, UH, ANOTHER THING WE NOTED THERE, DEVELOPERS REPORT THAT, UH, 60% OF THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH ENTITLEMENT ARE IN CONSTRUCTION LEVEL DOCUMENTS, UM, SUCH AS THE DETAIL PLAN, UH, THAT MAY REQUIRE REDESIGN, REDESIGN LATER ANYWAY, WHICH KIND OF DRIVES UP THEIR ULTIMATE, UH, RESUBMITTAL COUNT FROM KIND OF START TO FINISH FROM RESUBMITTAL ALL THE WAY TO, UM, YOU KNOW, BUILDING PERMITTING.
SO THIS IS, UH, THIS IS A LIST.
I'M NOT GONNA READ THROUGH EVERY, JUST EVERY SINGLE EXAMPLE, BUT, UM, UH, DURING THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICE COMMITTEE, UM, DISCUSSION A FEW WEEKS AGO, WE HAD, UH, I BELIEVE WE HAD THE LIST THAT KIND OF SHOWED WHAT WAS BEING REMOVED FROM THE DETAIL PLAN, WHICH IS ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, UH, LANDSCAPE PLAN, UH, PHOTOMETRIC PLAN, WATER AND WASTEWATER CAPACITY ANALYSIS.
UM, A LOT OF ENGINEERING, VERY TECHNICAL, UM, ASPECTS THAT PROBABLY A LOT OF THESE THINGS PLAN, COMMISSION AND COUNCIL AREN'T LOOKING TOO CLOSELY AT ANY WAY.
POWER POLES, LIGHT POLES, UM, RETAINING WALLS, TRANSFORMERS.
UM, SO A LOT OF THAT REALLY CAN BE PULLED OUT.
THIS, THIS LIST DID COME FROM A, UM, VERY DETAILED AND LENGTHY SET OF MEETINGS WITH, UM, WITH STAFF, INCLUDING THE ENGINEERING STAFF AND PLANNING AND BUILDING INSPECTION.
UH, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WAS AT THAT TABLE.
TRANSPORTATION, I'M SURE I'M MISSING SOME FOLKS, BUT, UM, BUT LOTS OF PEOPLE THAT, THAT, UH, KIND OF WENT INTO THIS, UH, DETERMINATION ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.
WHAT THE COMMITTEE DEVELOPMENT SERVICE COMMITTEE, UH, ASKED US TO MAKE SURE THIS WAS PRESENTED.
COUNCILS WHAT WOULD ACTUALLY REMAIN IN A DETAILED PLAN.
SO IT WOULD STILL BE A SITE PLAN.
THERE'S YOUR BASIC, YOU KNOW, APPLICATION AND THE PD NARRATIVE, KIND OF DESCRIBING WHAT APPLICANT DESCRIBES WHAT THEY WANNA DO.
OUR THOUGHT WAS THAT BUILDING ELEVATIONS WOULD STILL BE INCLUDED IN A DETAILED PLAN, BUT THEY'D BE A BIT MORE CONCEPTUAL.
UM, WHAT WE FOUND OURSELVES DOING AS STAFF IS, UM, WE'RE REVIEWING THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS IN GREAT DETAIL, MAKING SURE THEY MEET ALL DESIGN AND ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS IN THE ZONING PHASE.
BUT THEN WE'RE DOING THE EXACT SAME THING WHEN IT COMES BACK THROUGH BUILDING PERMIT AND KIND OF JUST DUPLICATING WORK.
SO THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAYBE, UM, GET THOSE A LITTLE MORE CONCEPTUAL AS FAR AS THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS GO.
BUT AS FAR AS THE SITE PLAN, THERE WOULD STILL BE A BUILDING FOOTPRINT LAYOUT.
UH, WE, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD HAVE, UH, MEASUREMENTS AND SIZES OF THE BUILDINGS, UM, WIDTHS OF DRY VILES STREETS.
UM, UH, YEAH, DRY VILES, PARKING, FIRE LANES, ALL THAT WOULD STILL BE SHOWN EXISTING AND PROPOSED SIDEWALKS AND TRAILS, UM, DUMPSTER LOCATIONS.
'CAUSE THE GDC DOES, UM, KIND OF REGULATE WHERE DUMPSTERS SHOULD GO.
UM, DRIVE THROUGH BOARDS, MENU BOARDS, ESCAPE LANES WHEN YOU HAVE, WHEN WE HAVE OUR DRIVE THROUGH SUVS.
UH, THIS IS GETTING INTO, YOU KNOW, SOME, UM, PUES, WHICH CAN BE, THESE CAN HAVE A BIG IMPACT ON, ON SITE LAYOUT.
UH, 'CAUSE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF SPACE NEEDS TO BE ALLOCATED FOR, UM, SCREENING LAWS AND LANDSCAPING ALONG THOROUGHFARES IN SOME CASES.
SO THAT CAN BE KIND OF A BIG DEAL AS FAR AS SITE LAYOUT GOES.
BUT, UM, THESE ARE ALL THE THINGS THAT WOULD REMAIN.
UM, SOME ITEMS, IF APPLICABLE TO THE PROJECT, WHICH, UH, MAY STILL BE REQUIRED WOULD BE A TRANS, UH, TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS.
TRAFFIC STUDY MAY STILL BE REQUIRED IF, IF TRANSPORTATION REQUIRES IT AT THIS STAGE.
UH, PARKING STUDY WHEN APPLICABLE.
UM, ENGINEERING MAY REQUIRE A STORM WATER SYSTEM CAPACITY ASSESSMENT.
UM, UH, WHICH DETERMINES IF ONSITE DETENTION IS NECESSARY.
AND THAT'S A BIG, UM, BIG THING DEVELOPERS WOULD WANT KNOW UPFRONT.
UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, A FLOOD STUDY IF IT'S IN THE FLOODPLAIN.
UM, SO WITH THAT, REALLY THE POLICY QUESTIONS, AND I'VE KIND OF ADDED SOME, UM, CLARIFICATION ON WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES COMMITTEE, UH, WHAT KIND OF THEIR RECOMMENDATION WAS ON, ON THESE.
BUT THE, UM, FIRST POLICY QUESTION IS, DO WE EXPAND THE ZONING PATH OPTIONS TO ALLOW A PD CONCEPT PLAN OPTION, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED YES.
UH, NUMBER TWO IS DO WE REMOVE THE, UM, DETAIL PLAN? THIS IS KINDA THAT PATH TO, UH, REMOVE THE DETAIL PLAN REQUIREMENT THROUGH THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS FOR USES THAT ARE ALREADY ALLOWED, UH, BY RIGHT AND NO GDC OR PD DEVIATIONS ARE REQUESTED.
THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICE COMMITTEE ALSO RECOMMENDED YES.
AND THEN THIRD, UM, IS DO WE REMOVE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS FOR DETAIL PLAN SUBMITTALS? AND KIND OF SCALE THAT BACK.
UH, THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES COMMITTEE HAD SOME DEBATE ABOUT THIS.
THEY DEFERRED IT REALLY TO THE FULL COUNCIL FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION,
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UH, REGARDING THAT PARTICULAR PATH.UM, ONE OF THEIR ASKS WAS TO KINDA SHOW THAT SIDE BY SIDE WHAT WOULD REMAIN VERSUS WHAT WOULD BE PULLED OUT OF DETAIL PLAN.
SO HOPEFULLY THAT HELPS THE DISCUSSION ALONG A LITTLE BIT.
WE'VE GOT STAFF FROM THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT HERE AS WELL, IN CASE THERE ARE QUESTIONS FOR THEM.
BUT I THINK WITH THAT, MAYOR, I'LL STOP THERE AND OPEN IT UP.
LET'S GO BACK TO THE BACK ONE.
SO, UH, ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD? COUNCILOR HERA? I WAS GONNA SAY, DO YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING BEFORE WE CONTINUE? YOU'RE IN? YES, SIR.
I'M, I'M HAPPY TO ADD SOMETHING.
I I JUST LIKE TO EXPAND A LITTLE BIT ON NUMBER THREE AT THERE.
ITEM THREE, IF YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE THAT SHOWS THE FOUR OPTIONS, THAT ONE RIGHT THERE, UM, THE FIRST TWO ARE REALLY EDGE CASES.
THEY'RE REALLY VERY FEW ZONING CASES ACTUALLY COME THROUGH THOSE PROCESSES.
UM, MR. GARREN SAID NUMBER TWO, HE ONLY GETS THREE TO FIVE A YEAR STRAIGHT ZONING.
UH, REALLY IT'S ALL GOING TO BE IN THREE.
NO DEVELOPER IS REALLY GONNA TAKE THEIR TIME TO PUT EXTRA EFFORT INTO SPENDING MONEY ON A DEVELOPMENT PLAN WHEN IT MAY CHANGE LATER.
LIKE YOU HEARD THE DEVELOPER SAID, THE TIME THEY CHANGED THEIR MIND, THEY MIGHT CHANGE SOMETHING.
AND MYSELF, AS A CIVIL ENGINEER, I LOVE GETTING THE EXTRA 200, 3000, $300,000 IN FEES WHEN SOMETHING CHANGES.
BUT A DEVELOPER WILL NOT SPEND THAT MONEY.
THEY WANT THEIR ENTITLEMENT AT STAGE THREE.
I DON'T THINK ANYONE WOULD GO TO THAT EXTRA STEP AND YOU SAW ALL THE LIST OF ITEMS THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE INCLUDED ON THE PERMIT SET WHEN THEY GET THEIR BUILDING OR THEIR CONSTRUCTION PERMIT.
SO PERSONALLY, I WOULD RECOMMEND GOING WITH JUST THE THREE OPTIONS, BEGINNING THREE.
UM, THE COMMUNICATIONS CAN BE HAD WITH STAFF.
I BELIEVE ONE-ON-ONE, IF THEY WANT A MORE KIND OF A INTERIM REVIEW OR SOME KIND OF, UH, PRELIMINARY REVIEW OF THEIR PLANS BEFORE THEY MAKE THEIR FULL SUBMITTAL.
BUT HONESTLY, NO, DEVELOPER'S GONNA GO FOR NUMBER FOUR AND SPEND THAT EXTRA MONEY WHEN THEY CAN GET THEIR ENTITLEMENTS EARLY.
VERY GOOD CUSTOMER WILLIAMS. THANK YOU, MAYOR.
WILL, UH, PIGGYBACKING ON, UH, ON THE ENGINEER'S COMMENTS,
YOU'VE, YOU SAID 34% OF THE MANDATORY REQUIREMENTS WERE REDUCED.
THAT'S, YOU SAID THAT WAS BASED ON FEEDBACK FROM DEVELOPERS? I'M SORRY.
YEAH, THIS 34%, UH, THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PATH FOUR OPTION, UM, OF THE, UM, REQUIREMENTS, KIND OF CHECKLIST REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD BE REDUCED FROM THIS, UM, FROM THAT PATH FOUR FROM DETAIL PLANS.
SO, UM, IT WAS JUST MAKING A POINT THAT IT'S ABOUT 34% LESS DETAIL, UM, AND LESS, UM, YEAH, LESS DETAIL THAN THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED, UH, IF WE GO THIS PATH FOUR OF THE SCALED BACK DETAIL PLAN VERSUS WHAT IT IS NOW.
WELL, I, I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN HENDRICK'S, UH, UH, COMMENT ON THAT.
I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW WHERE THAT 34% CAME FROM THERE.
UH, WOULD YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE WHERE STUFF THAT WAS REMOVED AND REMAINED IN A DETAIL PLAN YOU HAD SIDE BY SIDE? YES, SIR.
UH, THAT WAS ON THE, SO I'M ASSUMING THAT, THAT THE ITEMS ON THE ITEMS REMAINING IN A DETAILED PLAN REQUIREMENT IS BEING RECOMMENDED THAT, THAT THEY STAY WHERE THEY ARE, CORRECT.
THAT THEY REMAIN AS, AS REQUIRED ITEMS. RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.
I'M LOOKING AT THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SLIDE.
THESE, THESE ITEMS ON THE RIGHT SIDE ARE CURRENTLY REQUIRED.
UM, SO THAT WAS THE THOUGHT IS LEAVE THESE REMAINING.
AND THEN THESE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE ARE ALSO CURRENTLY REQUIRED, BUT THESE ARE WHAT STAFF IDENTIFIED THAT COULD BE TAKEN OUT AND RECOMMENDED TO BE TAKEN OUT IF WE GO INCLUDE THIS PATH FOR DETAIL PLAN.
MY QUESTION IS, IS THERE, IS THERE, THERE MAY NOT BE A WAY, IS THERE ANY WAY I'M LOOKING AT PARTICULARLY TWO OF THOSE IN THE LIST ON MY RIGHT, ON THE RIGHT THAT, UH, UH, THAT JUMPS OUT AT US ALMOST EVERY TIME WE HAVE A ZONING CASE REGARDING TO THE SIZE OF THE APPLICATION AND WHATEVER.
THERE ARE TWO THINGS ON THAT LIST THAT ALWAYS CROPS OUT OF THE HOLE, UH, TRAFFIC AND PARKING.
WE ENDED, WE ALWAYS END UP, IRRESPECTIVE OF THE SIZE OF THE DEVELOPMENT, WE ALWAYS, IS THERE ANY, ARE THERE ANY ADJUSTMENTS, I'M NOT SAYING ELIMINATED FROM THE LIST, UH, BUT ARE THERE ANY CHANGES THAT CAN BE MADE ON THOSE TWO ITEMS AS IT RELATES TO, UH, THE RECOMMEND THE RECOMMENDA, THE RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE SLIDE? UH,
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BECAUSE ACTUALLY WE, WE PARTICULARLY, WE, WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND THAT POPS UP EVEN WHEN, AND PARKING STUDIES OR TRAFFIC STATUS ARE NOT REQUIRED OR DESIRED, THEY STILL COME UP AND A LOT OF TIME, AND I, I BELIEVE A LOT OF TIME FROM YOUR STAFF IS SPENT RESPONDING TO QUESTIONS ON THOSE TWO TOPICS.SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, AND TO MAYOR, IF, IF THE COUNCILMAN CAN ANSWER THAT, IS THERE ANY, ARE THOSE SOME THINGS THAT COULD BE LOOKED AT TO SEE WHAT ADJUSTMENTS, IF ANY, WE NEED TO MAKE AND, AND, AND THOSE TWO ITEMS, BECAUSE WE'RE SPENDING A LOT OF TIME ON THEM AND FRANKLY, OFTEN THEY REALLY ARE NOT GERMANE TO WHAT'S BEFORE US.
SO YOUR THOUGHTS MR. GARETH? WELL, UM, OF COURSE, TO JUMP BACK, IF, YOU KNOW, WITH THE PATH THREE CONCEPT PLAN, THERE PROBABLY WON'T BE MUCH IN THE WAY OF, OF PARKING OR TRAFFIC TO DISCUSS SINCE IT IS VERY CONCEPTUAL.
UM, JUST KIND OF DEPENDS ON THE PROPOSAL AND WHAT'S REALLY WHAT TYPE OF INFORMATION THE DEVELOPER HAS AT HAND.
SO, UM, AS FAR AS THE DETAIL PLAN GOES, UM, IF WE KEEP THIS PATH FORWARD, I GUESS MY INITIAL THOUGHT IS, IT, IT, IT MAY BE KIND OF TOUGH TO PULL OUT PARKINGS, THAT'S A, THAT'S A PRETTY BASIC SITE PLAN ELEMENT AND JUST TO HAVE IN THOSE, UM, NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES SHOWN, OF COURSE THE GDC DOES HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY TODAY.
WE KIND OF, UM, PROVIDED A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY DURING COVID, ESPECIALLY FOR RETAIL AND COMMERCIAL AND ENTERTAINMENT TYPE USES.
SO IT GIVES MORE, UM, UM, ADMINISTRATIVE, UH, KIND OF STAFF LEVEL, UM, UM, ABILITY TO LOOK AT PARKING AS OPPOSED TO PARKING.
ALWAYS NEEDING TO GO THROUGH A WHOLE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS IF THERE'S A SHORTAGE.
UM, AS FAR AS TRAFFIC, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
THAT'S, THAT'S, UM, I THINK PROBABLY MY EXPERIENCE WITH ZONING CASES, AND I THINK MOST CITIES, UM, THAT'S JUST A VERY COMMON, UM, CONCERN THAT YOU'RE GONNA HEAR FROM, FROM CITIZENS AND NEIGHBORS AND WHATNOT.
SO, UM, I I IMAGINE THAT THAT'LL CONTINUE TO BE A COMMON, UM, QUESTION AND CONCERN CITIZENS WILL HAVE WITH ZONING CASES, PROBABLY REGARDLESS OF THE ZONING CASE TYPE REALLY.
UM, BUT, BUT OUR THOUGHT WAS THAT THIS, UM, OF COURSE IT'S ONLY WHEN TRANSPORTATION WOULD REQUIRE IT IF, IF THEY HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION AT HAND TO DETERMINE IF IT WOULD EVEN TRIGGER THAT THRESHOLD NEEDING A TRAFFIC STUDY.
UM, SO, UM, BUT BEYOND THAT, THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE A COMMON QUESTION.
IT MAY JUST BE A, YOU KNOW, A MATTER OF, YOU KNOW, COUNSEL'S EXPECTATION ON KIND OF HOW WE REPORT THAT.
I KNOW OFTENTIMES MR. LUKI IS KIND OF AVAILABLE WHEN WE ANTICIPATE THERE'LL BE A LOT OF TRAFFIC QUESTIONS OR CITIZENS, UM, IN ATTENDANCE WITH TRAFFIC CONCERNS.
THIS A, THAT'S, THIS IS A RHETORICAL QUESTION.
IT'S JUST A THOUGHT RHETORICAL QUESTION.
IS THERE ANY WAY, ANY WAY WE CAN IMPROVE HOW WE RESPOND TO OR THE DEVELOP DEVELOPERS COMMUNITY ON THOSE TWO TOPICS? JUST, YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER NOW, BUT JUST SOME THOUGHT THERE.
AND MY LAST QUESTION IS ON, ON PDS.
ARE YOU LOOKING PIGGYBACKING ON THE CITY MANAGER'S COMMENTS? UH, ARE YOU LOOKING AT, UM, UH, APPLICATION SIZE, LIGHT SIZE, DIVERSITY TYPES OF BUILDING FOR THE USE OF PDS? I'M, I'M A FAN OF PDSS.
UM, WHAT DO YOU, ARE WE LOOKING AT PROJECT SCOPE, PROJECT COST? WHAT KIND OF THINGS ARE WE LOOKING AT IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS AS IT RELATES TO PDS? SURE.
WELL, UM, I THINK THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL AS FAR AS, UH, LOT SIZE, UH, THAT, WELL, THAT COULD CERTAINLY BE INCLUDED IN EVEN IN THE PATH THREE CONCEPT PLAN.
IF IT'S, FOR EXAMPLE, A SINGLE FAMILY, UH, DEVELOPMENT THAT A DEVELOPER WANTS TO BRING FORWARD, UM, BUT, UM, PERHAPS HIS PROPOSAL OR, OR WORKING WITH STAFF, WE KIND OF COME UP WITH MAYBE A, A DIVERSITY OF LOT SIZES SAYING, OKAY, 20% HAVE TO BE AT LEAST 6,000 SQUARE FEET AND ANOTHER 20% HAVE TO BE X NUMBER.
SO THAT, THAT COULD ACTUALLY BE INCLUDED REALLY IN EITHER PATH.
AND THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE COMMONLY SEEN.
I THINK I SHOWED THE, OR I, I DID SHOW THE, UM, MY POSSIBILITIES, RIGHT, CONCEPT PLAN THAT WAS ACTUALLY A, UM, SOME VERY SPECIFIC PD CONDITIONS IN THAT PARTICULAR ONE AS FAR AS LOT SIZES AND KIND OF SETTING A MAXIMUM OF ON NUMBER OF LOT TYPES.
SO YES, SIR, THAT WOULD CONTINUE TO BE, UM, SOMETHING THAT COULD BE AVAILABLE IN EITHER PD OPTION, WHETHER IT'S A CONCEPT PLAN OR DETAIL PLAN.
WELL, IT'S AFTER ON THAT IDEA, 12 YEARS OF BEING ON THE PLAN COMMISSION HEARING THAT WE'RE, WE ARE STREAMLINING OUR PD PROCESS.
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THIS IS VERY REFRESHING.SO I WHOLEHEARTEDLY WOULD LIKE TO, UH, I, I THINK ONE THROUGH THREE IS A GREAT WAY TO GO.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S SO MANY THINGS, SO MANY DETAILS THAT WE WOULD GET THAT YOU COULD HARDLY ABSORB.
UH, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UH, YOU'RE LOOKING AT A LOT OF THESE THINGS, RETAINING WALLS, LOOKING AT ALL THE, I MEAN, IT'S, IT WAS INTERESTING, TECHNICALLY INTERESTING TO LOOK AT IT, BUT KNOWING HOW DIFFICULT THAT WAS FOR THE APPLICANT TO HAVE TO PROVIDE THAT TO US TO ANALYZE WHETHER THIS PROJECT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS EVEN GOING TO BE ABLE TO GO FORWARD.
REMEMBER CHAIRMAN ROBERTS WOULD TELL US, UH, THAT BEFORE ANYBODY CAME INTO TO SEE US, IT'S ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, AND THAT'S WHEN I STARTED 13 YEARS AGO, AND THAT IT DOUBLED.
AND SO THAT'S JUST, THAT'S A, THAT'S A TOUGH BURDEN ON DEVELOPERS UPFRONT.
IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE US A QUALITY PRODUCT.
WE HAVE THE BEST STAFF THAT THERE IS, AND IN THE END WE WILL GET, UH, THEY'RE JUST WANTING TO KNOW, IS THIS A GREEN LIGHT OR IS IT RED? AND WHAT DOES IT TAKE FOR US TO ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO SEE SOMETHING THAT, UH, THAT WHERE WE CAN MAKE AN EDUCATED DECISION.
I THINK THAT PATHWAYS ONE THROUGH THREE IS, IS DEFINITELY GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO IT.
I KNOW THAT Y'ALL PUT A LOT OF TIME INTO AND, AND THOUGHT INTO THIS, AND YOU CAN SEE IT.
SO I THINK THAT WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.
UM, I'M DEFINITELY IN FAVOR OF A MORE STREAMLINED PROCESS.
MY QUESTION IS, WHAT DOES THIS LOOK LIKE, UM, FROM A CITIZEN'S PERSPECTIVE WHEN THERE'S A PROJECT THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, DON'T LIKE
SO, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH A KINDA A CONCEPT PLAN OPTION, THERE'S, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE NEARLY AS MUCH DETAIL THAT'S JUST THE REALITY.
AND IT, IT JUST WOULDN'T BE, WOULDN'T BE CONDITIONED NECESSARILY, OR, YOU KNOW, VISUALLY THERE, A DEVELOPER MAY CHOOSE TO HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, SOME RENDERING, CERTAINLY WHETHER IT'S A CONCEPT PLAN OR, OR A DETAILED PLAN IF THAT'S, UH, INCLUDED AS WELL.
UM, BUT, UM, BUT, BUT THAT DETAIL WOULD BE SCALED BACK.
SO REALLY THE, THE ASSURANCES, IF A DEVELOPER IS, YOU KNOW, HAVING A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING AND THERE'S CONCERNS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SCREENING OR, UM, MAYBE WANTING ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING OR BUILDING HEIGHT, CERTAINLY THOSE CAN BE WRITTEN IN AS PD CONDITIONS.
NOW, THERE MAY OR MAY NOT BE THOSE VISUAL, UM, SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS, AT LEAST NOT IN THE PD ORDINANCE PER SE, BUT, UM, BUT, BUT YES, THOSE, THOSE THINGS CAN BE ADDRESSED, BUT THEY'RE GONNA BE MORE, UM, KIND OF IN THE WRITTEN CONDITIONS.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, HAVING A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 50 FEET OR HAVING KIND OF A STAIR STEPPED HEIGHT FOR MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT, UM, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS WILL JUST NEED TO BE REALLY THOUGHT OUT AND EMBEDDED IN THE, IN THE PD CONDITIONS THEMSELVES.
UM, IN THE, UM, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES COMMITTEE, WHEN, UH, AND, AND WHEN JETTED FIRST STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS, YOU KNOW, I'M ENOUGH OF A NERD AND I COME FROM A FAMILY WHO DID STEEL AND CONSTRUCTION.
THIS IS, UM, I'VE BEEN ASKING PRETTY MUCH EVERYBODY ON COUNCIL HAS BEEN ASKING FOR YEARS, HOW CAN WE BE MORE DEVELOPER FRIENDLY? HOW CAN WE BE MORE BUSINESS FRIENDLY? AND THAT'S BEEN OUR WHOLEHEARTED DESIRE.
THIS IS, I THINK, ONE OF OUR VERY FIRST MAJOR MOVEMENTS IN THE DIRECTION OF BECOMING THAT CITY.
SO I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS.
I'M ALSO, I'M ALSO FOND OF THE, OF THE THREE, JUST FOR ONE, IT'S, IT'S THREE THREE'S A GOOD NUMBER.
UM, AND I AGREE THAT I, I DON'T THINK MANY DEVELOPERS WOULD AUTOMATICALLY GO TO SAY, OH, I WANNA DO THE MORE EXPENSIVE HIGHER RISK VERSION OF NUMBER FOUR.
SO, UM, AND AS FAR AS FROM LOOKING, LOOKING FROM A CITIZEN, UM, AND EVEN FROM COUNCIL VIEWPOINT, WE LIKE SEEING ALL THE DETAILS.
UH, WE LIKE THAT AND IT HELPS US KIND OF TALK TO CITIZENS ABOUT IT.
BUT I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS, UM, THAT WE'LL GET OUT OF THIS VERY POSITIVELY, UM, I KNOW CONSTANTLY I HEAR WHEN THERE'S, ESPECIALLY MULTIFAMILY, WHEN THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON, PEOPLE WHO JUST HAVE A BLANK IDEA ABOUT IT, THEY TALK CONSTANTLY ABOUT THE DEVIATIONS.
SO IT, WHEN WE'RE HAVING DEVIATIONS, DEVIATIONS, WHICH IS THE USING, UM, USING A PD AS A MITIGATING THING AND TRYING TO, IT DOESN'T WORK AND PEOPLE OVER AND OVER ARE SAYING PUBLICLY AND, AND DIRECTLY IN COUNSEL WITH ALL THESE DEVIATIONS,
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YOU SHOULD HAVE JUST SAID NO.SO THIS WILL GO A LONG WAY TOWARD I THINK, ADDRESSING SOME OF THAT.
UM, SO CITIZENS WILL NOT BE SEEING, OH, WELL THIS REALLY, IT WASN'T SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN ON THIS GROUND, BUT THE COUNCILS JUST GIVEN THEM ALL THESE, UH, YOU KNOW, DEVIATIONS TO ALLOW IT.
I THINK IT'S A WONDERFUL PLAN.
AND, UH, I WILL JUST ALSO SAY ANOTHER COMMENT.
I HAVE HEARD FROM A LOT OF DEVELOPERS WHO HATE OUR PROCESS, FIND IT EXPENSIVE AND LONG, THEY'VE SAID THAT, BUT THEY'VE ALSO SAID, YOU HAVE THE BEST STAFF OF ANY CITY AROUND HERE.
SO THAT'S, YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN OUR REDEEMING
SO IF WE CAN DELIVER BOTH A STREAMLINED PROCESS FOR DEVELOPMENT AND OUR GREAT STAFF, UM, YEAH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT MORE PEOPLE VERY INTERESTED IN BUILDING IN GARLAND.
SO VERY HAPPY WITH THIS, AND THANK YOU, MAYOR.
DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TIM MOORE, AND WE'RE GONNA ROUND THIS UP.
WILL, CAN YOU GO TO THE QUESTIONS, PLEASE? YES, SIR.
I THINK FROM WHAT I'M HEARING, UH, I'M GONNA TRY TO ROPE ALL THIS INTO ONE, UH, THAT, UH, I THINK WE ARE IN AGREEMENT ON ONE TWO, AND THAT NUMBER THREE STOPS AT THREE.
DOES THAT SUFFICE? EVERY ALL RIGHT.
SO WE ARE IN UNANIMOUS AGREEMENT ON ALL THAT.
SO OUR NEXT STEP IS BRING THIS BACK FOR A FORMAL CONSIDERATION.
I BELIEVE WE WILL NEED TO AMEND, UM, SOME THINGS IN THE GDC IN ORDER TO ADD BACK THE CONCEPT PLAN OPTION AND KIND OF DEFINE THAT IN THE GC.
DOES THAT TAKE IT BACK THROUGH THE PLAN COMMISSION? AND THEN AGAIN, TO US, IF IT GO, IF IT'S A GDC AMENDMENT, I THINK IF AT THE VERY LEAST WE'LL WANT TO BRIEF THE PLAN COMMISSION
WELL, LET'S START THAT PROCESS.
WE'LL NEED TO ADD CONCEPT PLAN AS FAST AS POSSIBLE ACCORDING TO
ALRIGHT, THAT WAS OUR LAST, UH, ITEM, UH, UNDER VERBAL BRIEFINGS.
FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. ANYBODY HAVE ANY FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS THIS EVENING? ALL RIGHT.
AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE 'EM TONIGHT, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S, THERE'S A PATHWAY FORWARD FOR THAT.
WITH THAT, WITH THAT, UH, AT 9 26, WE ARE ADJOURNED.