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[Plan Commission Pre Meeting]
ALL RIGHTY.WELCOME TO DECEMBER 11TH MEETING OF THE GOLAND PLAN COMMISSION.
THIS PORTION OF OUR MEETING IS OUR WORK SESSION PORTION WHERE STAFF BRIEFS US IN THE CASES.
WE ASK QUESTIONS BACK AND FORTH, AND, UH, ONCE WE'RE DONE WITH THIS PORTION, WE WILL RECESS TILL SEVEN O'CLOCK WHEN WE HAVE OUR, UH, PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THE MEETING.
GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONERS.
UM, REGARDING THE CONSENT AGENDA, IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS.
THE CONSENT AGENDA, I SEE NONE.
OH, UH, JUST FOR EVERYBODY'S EDIFICATION, UH, WILL JUST DID TELL ME THAT THERE WAS A, IN CASE YOU LOADED IT, DOWNLOADED THE AGENDA EARLY.
THERE'S AN EXTRA PLAT, HERITAGE PARK PLATT FINAL PLAT, SO I'LL BE CALLING THAT OUT TOO.
YES, THERE IS AN ITEM TWO B, UH, HERITAGE PARK, FINAL PLAT, OR, OR NOT TO BE? YES, SIR.
MOVING ON TO THE ZONING CASES, UH, WE'LL START WITH CASE Z 23 DASH 33.
THIS IS A PROPOSAL FOR A, UM, FREE STANDING AT AND T CELLULAR TOWER.
THE LOCATION IS 45 35 BASS PRO DRIVE.
AND THE, UM, ACREAGE OF REALLY SQUARE FOOTAGE, SHOULD SAY, OF THE LEASE AREA WHERE THE CELL TOWER WOULD BE LOCATED IS ABOUT 488 SQUARE FEET.
IT'S ON, ON AN EXISTING, UM, HOLIDAY INN EXPRESS PROPERTY.
UM, THEY WOULD JUST BE LEASING A SMALL PORTION OF THAT TO INSTALL THE TOWER.
UM, MY UNDERSTANDING, UH, THERE'S SOME COVERAGE ISSUES, DROP CALLS AND THAT SORT OF THING.
SO IT IS A, UM, UH, A NEED PER AT AND T TO, UM, GET THIS TOWER UP AND, AND RUNNING.
UM, THE ZONING OF THE HOLIDAY INN IS PD, UH, 14 DASH ZERO SEVEN.
HERE IS A GENERAL LOCATION OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IN THE HARBOR POINT AREA OF GARLAND, AND MORE SPECIFICALLY SHOWN HERE.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THE, WE'RE, OH, I'M SO SORRY.
UM, LET'S, DO WE, IS THERE SOMETHING WE CAN, OR DO WE NEED OH, TURN, YEAH.
UH, WE'RE STILL ON THE TEST VOTE THING HERE.
SO IT'S ON, OH, YEAH, WE GOT IT.
OH, YEAH, HE STARTED IT ROLLING EARLIER.
THIS PRESENTATION, PRESENTATIONS, I UNDERSTAND.
THE REST OF YOU, CAN YOU HAVE IT IN FRONT OF YOU? YEAH, IT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE UNPLUGGED AND PLUGGED BACK IN.
I JUST DO A QUICK START OVER, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF THAT WORKS BEST.
E EVERYBODY, WE'RE STARTING AGAIN.
WE'RE GONNA START OVER WITH Z UH, 23 DASH 33.
THIS IS A PROPOSAL FOR A FREE, ATT FREE STANDING AT AND T CELLULAR TOWER LOCATED AT 45 35 BASS PRO DRIVE.
THE, UH, SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE LEASE AREA OF THE CELL TOWER WOULD BE ABOUT 488 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE.
THIS WOULD BE ON AN, UM, ON AN EXISTING HOLIDAY INN, UH, EXPRESS SITE, UH, WHICH IS OWNED PD 14 DASH ZERO SEVEN.
UH, THIS IS A GENERAL LOCATION OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY LOCATED IN THE HARBOR POINT AREA, AND THIS IS THE LOCATION MAP.
UM, THIS BUILDING HERE IS THE HOLIDAY INN BUILDING, SO THE CELL CELLULAR TOWER WILL BE LOCATED IN THE SMALL AREA OUTLINED IN TEAL HERE.
AGAIN, IT WOULD BE A LEASE AREA.
UM, AND THE, UH, REASON FOR THE REQUEST PER AT AND T IS THERE ARE, UM, SOME COVERAGE SHORTAGE ISSUES IN THIS AREA.
THEY'VE, UM, CUSTOMERS HAVE BEEN EXPERIENCING SOME DROP CALLS AND WHATNOT.
SO, UM, THEY, UM, ARE SAYING THIS IS A, A NEED FOR ADDITIONAL COVERAGE IN THIS AREA.
UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IDENTIFIES THE GREATER HARBOR POINT AREA AS REGIONAL CENTERS, UH, WHICH INVOLVES, UM, UH, HIGH CONCENTRATION OF, OF ACTIVITY, UH, RESIDENTS, VISITORS, AND RETAIL, A MIX MIX OF SERVICES.
THIS AREA DOES INCLUDE A MIXTURE OF, OF USES, UH, INCLUDING A NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL, UM, UH, UH, USES AS WELL AS BUSINESSES.
AND THE PROPOSED MONOPOLE TOWER, UM, IS NECESSARY FOR THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE AS WELL AS FUTURE, UM, FUTURE DEVELOPMENT CONSIDERATIONS.
THE, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UM, UH, STRATEGIC PLAN, UM, UH, ESSENTIALLY IN OUR REVIEW OF THIS IS THE PROPOSAL SUPPORTS THE EXISTING HOTEL, UH, BUSINESSES, RESIDENTS, AS WELL AS FUTURE DEVELOPMENT BY PROVIDING ADDITIONAL CELLULAR COVERAGE TO THE AREA.
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AND HERE'S SOME PHOTOS OF THE AREA.YOU CAN SEE THE HOLIDAY INN BUILDING RIGHT THERE IN THE BACKGROUND.
THE, UM, CELL TOWER AND THE, THE ENCLOSURE AND EVERYTHING WILL BE LOCATED ABOUT RIGHT HERE.
AND I'LL, I'LL PULL UP A SITE PLAN HERE IN A FEW SLIDES, BUT THAT REALLY, THE FOREGROUND THERE IS ABOUT WHERE IT'LL BE LOCATED.
AND JUST TO SHOW SOME EXISTING PHOTOS OF THE AREA, THE BASS PRO AREA, THERE'S ANOTHER LOOK AT THE SUBJECT SITE.
UH, THIS IS ZOOMED IN ON THE LEASE AREA, WHICH IS LOCATED HERE.
UM, THEY WOULD BE, UH, REMOVING ONLY TWO PARKING SPACES.
UM, THE CELL TOWER IS LOCATED, UH, THERE, IF YOU CAN SEE THAT LITTLE CIRCLE THERE.
UH, THIS IS BASS PRO DRIVE JUST RIGHT HERE AND THE APPLICANT.
THERE ARE SCREENING OPTIONS REGARDING CELLULAR TOWERS.
UM, BUT THE APPLICANT HAS GONE WITH THE MORE OPAQUE OPTION, WHICH IS A MASONRY WALL.
SO THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A, A, UM, SIX FOOT MASONRY WALL.
AND WHILE LANDSCAPING IS NOT A REQUIREMENT, UM, STAFF DID RECOMMEND THE APPLICANT TO CONSIDER, UM, ADDING SOME LANDSCAPING AND, UH, ADD TO THE AESTHETICS OF THIS FROM THE, UM, STREET VIEW AND GROUND LEVEL.
SO THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO THAT AND IS PROVIDING SOME, UM, EVERGREEN SHRUBS, UH, CHINESE NIAS, I BELIEVE AROUND THE PERIMETERS.
SO THAT'LL KIND OF COVER THE STREET VIEW, IF YOU WILL.
AND THIS IS A LOOK AT THE ELEVATION OF THE TOWER.
UM, IT WOULD BE 75 FEET, UH, IN HEIGHT, AND THEN WITH AN ADDITIONAL FIVE FEET FOR A LIGHTNING ROD.
SO INCLUDING THE LIGHTNING ROD, IT WOULD BE A TOTAL OF 80 FEET.
AND YOU CAN SEE SOME, UM, PANELS THERE, ANTENNA PANELS THAT IT'LL, IT WILL INCLUDE.
AND OF COURSE THERE WILL BE AN ENCLOSURE AT THE, UM, BASE OF THE SITE.
I SHOULD ALSO NOTE, UH, YOU CAN SEE A, A GATE OPENING THERE.
UM, THE APPLICANT ALSO WORKED WITH STAFF TO ENSURE THAT THE GATE OPENING WOULD FACE INTERNALLY AND NOT OUT TO THE STREET.
SO FURTHER, UM, YOU KNOW, PAYING ATTENTION TO THE AESTHETICS OF THIS.
SO ONE, UM, CONSIDERATION, UH, THIS EVENING, UH, THIS IS AN EXISTING, UH, PD, BUT THE GDC DOES HAVE A GENERAL REQUIREMENT FOR FREESTANDING CELLULAR TOWERS TO BE LOCATED.
IF A NEW ONE IS PROPOSED TO BE LOCATED AT LEAST 5,000 FEET, UM, FROM ANOTHER EXISTING FREESTANDING TOWER.
UM, SO THERE IS THE CLOSEST EXISTING CELL TOWER IS LOCATED, IF YOU CAN SEE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF I 30 AND BASSPRO DRIVE, THERE'S A SMALL STRIP CENTER THERE AND THERE'S A CELLULAR TOWER JUST RIGHT BEHIND IT.
SO THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE TWO TOWERS WOULD BE ABOUT, UH, 1,476 FEET.
UM, AND AGAIN, THE APPLICANT, UH, REQUESTS THIS, UH, DISTANCE REDUCTION TO ALLOW THE CELL TOWER AT THIS LOCATION DUE TO COVERAGE ISSUES IN THE AREA.
STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST.
UH, THE PROPOSAL WILL IMPROVE CELLULAR COVERAGE FOR THE AREA FOR ENHANCED SCREENING.
AND AESTHETIC STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED THE APPLICANT PLANT LARGE SCREENING SHRUBS ALONG THE NORTH AND EAST, UH, SIDE OF THE MASONRY WALL ENCLOSURE.
THE APPLICANT CONCURS AND HAS PROVIDED THE LANDSCAPING ACCORDINGLY.
AND MR. CHAIRMAN, WE HAVE MAILED OUT 407 NOTIFICATION LETTERS ON THIS CASE.
I BELIEVE A LOT OF THE CONDOMINIUMS FOR, UM, OWNERSHIP, UM, REALLY BROUGHT UP THE NUMBER OF NOTIFICATION LETTERS.
407, UH, WE RECEIVED ONE IN FAVOR AND FIVE AGAINST, AND THOSE WERE ALL WITHIN THE NOTIFICATION AREA.
UH, THIS TOWER IS GOING TO BE AN EXCLUSIVE AT AND T TOWER, I BELIEVE THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
THE APP AT AND T IS ONLY USER OR CARRY THAT'S BEEN MENTIONED TO US.
UM, THE TOWER THAT'S ACROSS THE STREET, YOU KNOW, 1500 FEET AWAY.
DO YOU KNOW WHOSE THE CARRIERS ARE ON THAT TOWER, BY CHANCE? THAT I DO NOT KNOW.
UM, THAT'S, I KNOW IT'S A STILL TOWER, SO IT'S HARD TO TELL ANTENNA ARRAYS.
UH, SO AT AND T IS NOT ON THAT ARRAY OVER THERE, THEREFORE THEIR NEED FOR THIS TOWER, THAT WOULD BE MY UNDERSTANDING.
THE PPLICANT MAY BE ABLE TO CONFIRM THE CARRIERS OF THE OTHER EXISTING TOWER ON THE OTHER SIDE OF I 30.
UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR, UM, THOROUGH, UH, PRESENTATION.
TWO OF MY QUESTIONS WERE, UH, SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE LOCATION OF THE NEAR NEAREST WIRELESS TELECOMMUNICATION, TELECOMMUNICATIONS ANTENNA, EXCUSE ME.
WORDS ARE HARD AND, UH, WHETHER THE, UH, CHOICE TO ADD THE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING AND SCREENING OR DISCRETIONARY, UH, IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE THAT IT WOULD ONLY COVER TWO SIZES AS OPPOSED TO THE THIRD, WHICH YOU COULD STILL SEE FROM THE STREET, BUT YOU DID CLARIFY THAT AS WELL.
UM, MY, MY LAST QUESTION, UH, THEN RELATES TO, UM, THE, THE NEIGHBORING PD, PD 80 13.
IS THAT RESIDENTIAL? CAN WE TELL,
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UH, I'M GONNA GO BACK TO THE LOCATION MAP.I KNOW THERE'S AN MF ONE TO THE YES, SIR.
LEFT IS PD 80 UNDERLYING RESIDENTIAL AS WELL? YES, SIR.
THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE RESIDENTIAL.
SO THE, THE APPLICANT IS, HAS AGREED TO PUT SOME LANDSCAPING, UH, THEY'RE NOT PUTTING ANY TREES INTO, I MEAN, THEY GOT AN 80 FOOT TALL TOWER, BASICALLY.
I MEAN, IF THEY JUST PUT BUSHES, UH, HIDE THE FENCE, WHY BOTHER? YES, SIR.
SO, UM, THE YES, THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO THE LANDSCAPING THAT ACTUALLY IS REFLECTED IN THE SITE PLAN, UH, SHOWN BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING.
AND ON THIS SLIDE I'VE GOT RIGHT HERE, ARE THOSE TREES OR THEY JUST BUSHES GOING UP TO THE TOP OF THE FENCE? SO WHAT WOULD BE PROPOSED ARE, UH, UH, EVERGREEN SHRUBS.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE TALL LINEAR SHRUBS, BUT I SHOULD MENTION THEIR EXISTING TREES ALONG BASS PRO DRIVE, UH, BETWEEN THIS AREA AND THE STREET AND THOSE TREES WILL REMAIN.
SO THERE ARE EXISTING TREES IN THIS AREA AS WELL, WHICH WILL HELP ADDITIONAL, UM, SCREENING? YES, SIR.
I THINK MINE IS MORE JUST A DOUBLE CLARIFICATION.
IS THAT DEVIATION STILL THERE FROM ONE TO TWO LESS SPACES AND WITHIN THE GDC? YES, MA'AM.
AND I, I THINK MINIMAL IS A GOOD WAY TO PUT IT.
THANK YOU FOR, UM, THE, THE, THE REDUCTION OF THE TWO SPACES.
WHILE THE PD AT THE TIME HAD A, UM, A NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES OF COURSE SHOWN ON THAT SITE PLAN AND EXPECTED TO BE THERE, THE, UM, GDC WHEN CALCULATING IT IN TODAY'S STANDARDS, THEY WOULD STILL WELL EXCEED THE MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENT PER THE GDC.
UM, ON THE SEPARATION THERE, I KNOW YOU'RE MAKING A LIST OF THINGS FOR THE NEW DEVELOPMENT CODE, WE MAY WANNA LOOK AT THAT 5,000 FOOT RULE BECAUSE IT'S NOT SO MUCH THE LOCATION AS THE VOLUME EACH ONE HAS TO HANDLE AND THEY'RE KIND OF MAXED OUT AND THEY'LL END UP HAVING TO PUT MORE TOWERS IN AS, AND WE START STREAMING MORE.
AND I THINK IT MIGHT BE A COSHA 'CAUSE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING NINE ARRAYS ON THERE.
SO HOPEFULLY IT IS A CO-CHAIR.
OKAY, THE NEXT CASE IS THE 23 DASH 36.
AND THIS IS A PROPOSAL, UH, TO CONSTRUCT 250, UH, MULTIFAMILY AND LIVE WORK UNITS.
AND THE LOCATION IS, UH, 53 0 5 ZION ROAD AND SIX 30, UH, INTERSTATE 30 FREEWAY.
AND THE ACREAGE OF THIS PROPERTY IS ABOUT 9.8 ACRES IN SIZE.
THE CURRENT ZONING IS LIGHT COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AND IT WOULD BE A REZONE, UH, REQUEST TO A PD BASED IN MULTIFAMILY AND LIVE WORK USES.
THIS IS A GENERAL LOCATION OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF INTERSTATE 30, AND SHOWN HERE, UM, QUITE AN ODD SHAPED, UH, PIECE OF LAND HERE, AS YOU CAN TELL.
UM, BUT THIS, IF YOU CAN KIND OF FOLLOW THAT
OF COURSE, LIGHT COMMERCIAL BEING THAT LIGHT BLUE ZONING, UM, IN THE MIDDLE OF IT, UH, THAT IS THE, UH, SUBJECT PROPERTY, UH, CURRENTLY, UH, VACANT AND UN UNIMPROVED.
AND, UM, SOME SIMILAR, OR NOT SIMILAR, BUT OTHER COMMERCIAL USES TO THE NORTH AND WEST.
AND THEN THERE ARE SOME, UM, ACTUAL MULTIFAMILY ZONING AND AN EXISTING APARTMENTS, UH, TO THE SOUTH AND THEN TO THE EAST.
ACROSS ISLAND ROAD IS, UM, IS A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD ZONE SSF SEVEN AND A LITTLE ACTUALLY JUST, UH, TO THE WEST OVER HERE.
UH, THAT IS THE, UM, STONE HAWK MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS APPROVED ABOUT A YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF AGO OR SO.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IDENTIFIES THIS AREA AS, UH, BUSINESS CENTERS AND, UM, WHICH DOES USUALLY, UM, ALIGN WITH OFFICES AND CAMPUSES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
ALTHOUGH IT'S WORTH, UH, NOTING THAT THE I 30 CORRIDOR CATALYST AREA PLAN RECOMMENDS THAT NEW HOUSING OPTIONS, UH, WILL BENEFIT THE AREA.
AND THERE'S AN IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR INFILL RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING HIGHER DENSITIES.
AND, UH, PER THE APPLICANT'S NARRATIVE REGARDING THIS PROJECT, THE, UH, THE LOCATION ODD SHAPE OF SITE AND ITS LIMITED ACCESS AND FRONTAGE ON I, ON THE I 30 FRONTAGE ROAD MAKE, UH, COMMERCIAL USES INFEASIBLE FOR THE PROPERTY, A RESIDENTIAL INFILL DEVELOPMENT WILL FURTHER SUPPORT BUSINESS AND COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISES ON BETTER SUITED SITES IN THE SUBMARKET.
MOREOVER, THE PROPERTIES TO THE SOUTH AND SOUTHWEST ARE DEVELOPED OR WILL BE DEVELOPED DEVELOPING WITH MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES, ALIGNING WITH THE DEVELOPMENT FABRIC.
AND, UH, NEW, UH, MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT IS CONSIDERED THE SECOND HIGHEST REVENUE, UH, PER ACRE GENERATOR.
PER THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WILL PROVIDE ADDITIONAL HOUSING TO THE AREA, INCLUDING LIVE WORK OPPORTUNITIES.
AND HERE'S SOME PHOTOS OF THE AREA, INCLUDING THE SUBJECT PROPERTY
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THERE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, AND THAT'S LOOKING NORTH, UM, ALONG ZION ROAD.AND JUST SOME ADDITIONAL PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE AREA AND, UH, TO DISPLAY THE SITE PLAN HERE.
SO THIS, AGAIN, IT'S 250, UH, DWELLING UNITS TOTAL.
THAT INCLUDES THE LIVE WORK UNITS.
THE, UM, APPLICANT IS SHOWING FIVE LIVE WORK UNITS ON THE SITE PLAN IN BUILDING TWO.
UM, BUT TO KIND OF BACK UP A LITTLE BIT, THERE ARE THREE BUILDINGS BEING PROPOSED.
UM, THERE'S ONE HERE, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE HORSESHOE SHAPE THERE.
ONE BUILDING HERE, AND THEN ANOTHER BUILDING HERE CLOSER TO IA, INTERSTATE 30.
INTERSTATE 30 IS HERE TO THE NORTH ZION ROAD HERE TO THE SOUTH.
THE, UM, SITE WILL BE ACCESSED FROM ZION ROAD, UM, ALTHOUGH THERE WILL BE EMERGENCY ACCESS AVAILABLE, UM, TO THE WEST AT A COUPLE OF POINTS OVER HERE.
THE, UM, LIVE WORK UNITS ACTUALLY WILL BE IN THIS BUILDING.
IT'S CALLED BILLING TWO, BUT IT'LL BE CLOSEST TO INTERSTATE 30.
SO THESE WILL BE, UM, UH, RESIDENCE WHERE THEY, THERE CAN BE A BOTTOM FLOOR, UH, FIRST FLOOR, UH, SPACE THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR AN OFFICE.
UM, SOME TYPE OF STUDIO, SOMETHING THAT MAY BE AVAILABLE FOR APPOINTMENT, NOT ANTICIPATED.
THIS WON'T HAVE DIRECT ACCESS ON I 30.
SO NOTHING THAT WOULD, UH, BE EXPECTED TO BE HIGH VOLUME RETAIL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT SOMETHING, UM, THAT THE, UM, APPLICANT, UH, MAY BE ABLE TO HAVE IN TERMS OF AN OFFICE STUDIO, SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE.
SO ADDING A LITTLE BIT OF A MIXED USE, UH, COMPONENT TO THIS DEVELOPMENT.
BUT THE OTHER TWO BUILDINGS WILL BE MULTI-FAMILY.
UM, AGAIN, THREE BUILDINGS TOTAL, THREE STORIES.
AND AS FAR AS HEIGHT GOES, UM, BUILDING ONE, WHICH IS SHOWN HERE WILL HAVE A CENTRALIZED LEISURE AREA AND SWIMMING POOL AVAILABLE FOR RESIDENTS.
BUILDING TWO WILL HAVE A COURTYARD AS WELL WITH SOME GAMING AREAS AND OUT OUTDOOR SPACES.
UM, AND AGAIN, BUILDING TWO IS, UM, PRIMARILY THE, THE LIVE WORK UNITS.
AND I'LL JUMP TO, NEED TO ZOOM BACK OUT, JUMP TO THE LANDSCAPE PLAN HERE.
UM, THERE'S A DETENTION POND HERE, UH, FROM ZION ROAD, BUT, UM, UH, BUT OTHERWISE YOU CAN SEE THE LANDSCAPING THROUGHOUT THE AREA THROUGHOUT THE SITE.
AND I'LL JUMP TO THE BILLING ELEVATIONS.
UM, THERE'S SOME, UH, MORE 3D RENTERS.
I'LL KIND OF RUN THROUGH THESE.
BUT AGAIN, THREE STORIES IN HEIGHT AND I'LL GET TO THESE.
NOW I'VE GOT A VIEW OF HOW THE VIEW WOULD LOOK FOR MY 30, SO HERE WE GO.
SO, UM, I'LL, I'LL JUMP BACK TO THIS ONE.
SO THE LIVE WORK UNITS, THIS IS BUILDING TWO HERE.
YOU CAN SEE MOST OF THESE, UM, ELEVATIONS ARE PRETTY STANDARD, MULTI-FAMILY TYPE ELEVATIONS, TUCK UNDER GARAGES, UM, AND, UH, ENTRYWAYS ON THE OTHER SIDES.
UM, BUILDING TWO, OF COURSE, UH, THE LIVE WORK COMPONENT WILL BE A LITTLE MORE EVIDENT IN THAT THE APPLICANT, UM, KINDA WORKED WITH STAFF ON MAKING, GIVING A LITTLE MORE OF A RETAIL NON-RESIDENTIAL LOOK FACING I 30.
AND YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE GREATER WINDOWS.
AND, AND, UM, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND JUMP TO THIS ONE HERE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S ANOTHER LOOK OF IT.
UM, THIS WOULD BE BUILDING TWO, WHICH WOULD BE THE LOOK FROM I 30.
AND THIS, THIS WOULD BE A RESIDENTIAL.
UM, THESE WOULD BE RESIDENTIAL UNITS ABOVE.
SO AGAIN, THE WORK COMPONENTS, IF YOU WILL, ARE ON THE BOTTOM FLOOR.
AND THESE WOULD BE AVAILABLE BY APPOINTMENT IF, UM, UH, IF NEEDED, IF CUSTOMERS ARE NEEDED.
THAT IS, AND HERE'S JUST ANOTHER LOOK AT THE SAME BUILDING AND, UH, AND ZION ROAD, THE, THE SORT OF BUILDING TREATMENT FACING ZION ROAD WAS CERTAINLY PAID ATTENTION TO AS WELL.
THIS IS A LOOK, OF COURSE THERE WILL BE A TENSION POND BETWEEN THIS BUILDING AND ZION ROAD, BUT, UM,
THIS WILL BE THE LOOK, THIS IS THE CLUBHOUSE, UH, I BELIEVE IN THE FOREGROUND.
AND JUST A COUPLE ADDITIONAL BUILDING ELEVATIONS.
THESE ARE THE MORE JUST STRAIGHT MULTIFAMILY ELEVATIONS.
SO THE APPLICANT REQUESTS A, UH, PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT WITH THIS REZONING TO ACCOMMODATE A MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING A SMALL MIXED USE COMPONENT CONSISTING OF, UH, FIVE LIFT WORK UNITS.
UH, THE ONLY OTHER FLEXIBLE STANDARD THE APPLICANT REQUESTS IS THE LANDSCAPE OPEN SPACE PERCENTAGE.
UH, 40% IS THE GDC REQUIREMENT.
THEY'RE, UM, ASKING FOR 37 JUST DUE TO, UH, DIFFICULTIES OF THE SHAPE OF THE, THE LOT AND WHATNOT, MEETING PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND WHATNOT.
UM, BUT OTHERWISE THERE ARE NO OTHER DEVIATIONS WITH THIS REQUEST.
UM, BENEFITS THROUGH THE PD ORDINANCE INCLUDE A UNIQUE DEVELOPMENT INCLUDING A MIXED USE COMPONENT.
UH, SPECIAL FRONTAGE FACING I 30 AND URBAN INFILL DEVELOPMENT, ADDING RESIDENT TO THE AREA AND ALIGNMENT WITH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN AND THE
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I 30 CORRIDOR CATALYST AREA PLAN.AND WITH THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST.
UH, THE PROPOSAL OFFERS A UNIQUE DEVELOPMENT THAT INCLUDES A LIVE WORK COMP COMPONENT AND GIVES SPECIAL ATTENTION TO THE VIEW FROM I 30 PROVIDING THE NORTHERN BUILDING TWO FRONTAGE AND MORE ENHANCED RETAIL TYPE, UH, DESIGN.
AND ON THIS CASE, WE MAILED OUT, UH, 138 NOTIFICATION LETTERS AND WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY RESPONSES TO DATE.
MAY OH, OH, UH, COMMISSIONER DALTON, THEN COMMISSIONER PARIS, AND THEN COMMISSIONER ROSE
UM, GO BACK TO THE INGRESS EGRESS PAGE SHOWING THE ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY.
NOW LOOKING AT THIS DRAWING IT, I'M TRYING TO DETERMINE THERE IS NO DIRECT ACCESS OFF OF 30.
THE SITE WOULD BE ACCESSED FROM THESE TWO DRIVEWAYS FROM ZION ROAD.
THIS, UM, WOULD ACTUALLY BE AN EMERGENCY ACCESS POINT, UM, TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.
AND UM, THIS WOULD AS WELL OVER HERE.
THOSE TWO EMERGENCY, WHAT IS THAT THAT THEY'RE CONNECTING TO? IS THAT AN ALLEY, A STREET OR, IT APPEARS TO BE A PARKING LOT AREA.
KIND OF WHAT I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT.
THEY DID HAVE, UH, ISSUES WITH THIS ADJACENT LANDOWNER, AS I UNDERSTAND MR. FISHER CAN PROBABLY EXPAND ON THAT.
BUT, UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THIS LANDOWNER WAS, UM, RELUCTANT TO GIVE FULL ACCESS.
UM, YEAH, AGAIN, MR. FISHER MAY BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THAT, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE SOME TYPE OF PARKING AREA, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
UH, COMMISSIONER PARIS, LET ME MAKE SURE YOU'RE, YOU'RE READY TO GO.
UH, AND THEN THANKS TO I HAD, UM, WANTED TO JUST BE SURE I UNDERSTOOD THE, SINCE THE ACCESS IS COMING MAINLY FROM ZION ROAD VERSUS OFF OF IN, UH, OFF THE INTERSTATE, I HAD INQUIRED ABOUT, UH, IF THERE WAS A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS DONE.
AND THEN, UM, MY UNDERSTANDING, UH, THAT HAS BEEN DONE AND, UM, AND THERE ARE WORKS OF IMPROVEMENT WITH, UH, HELPING TO CHANNELIZE THE, THE INTERSECTION.
IS THERE ANY OTHER DETAILS AROUND THE, THE POTENTIAL TRAFFIC CONCERNS THAT IT COULD LEND THAT SUMS IT UP VERY WELL? THERE WAS A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS THAT WAS DONE BY THIS DEVELOPER THAT WAS REVIEWED CLOSELY AND, AND, UM, IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT.
UM, AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO, UM, BRIEFLY SUMMARIZE IT, THE RECOMMENDATIONS, ESSENTIALLY RECOMMENDED IMPROVEMENTS, UH, STRIPING RES STRIPING IMPROVEMENTS TO WHERE I 30 AND ZION, UM, CONNECT.
THERE'S KIND OF A, THERE'S LOOPED TURNS AND TURNAROUNDS AND, AND, UH, THINGS OF THAT SORT.
SO IT RECOMMENDED IT HAD SOME PARTICULAR RECOMMENDATIONS ON RETRIP, SOME OF THAT.
SO THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT ACTUALLY HAS ALREADY HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH TXDOT, UM, AND WE'LL WORK WITH THEM ON THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.
SO, UH, BEYOND THAT, NO MA'AM.
THERE, THERE'S SOME, UM, I MEAN AS FAR AS DRIVEWAY LOCATIONS AND HOW THAT, UM, IS DESIGNED, THEY ALL, THOSE ARE ALL TECHNICAL DETAILS.
THEY WORKED WITH TRANSPORTATION, BUT THE TIA, THE TRAFFIC STUDY RESULTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS WERE FOCUSED REALLY ON THAT.
UM, THAT ZION I 30, UH, INTERCHANGE AREA.
THE, THE MIXED USE WITH LIVE WORK AND, UH, WITH MULTIFAMILY, UH, PRETTY COMMON AS FAR AS SOME OF THE RESEARCH THAT I'VE DONE.
AND JUST WANTED TO BE SURE THAT, UH, FOR THOSE TYPES OF INFILL RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS WHERE WE'RE WITH THAT PLUS WHEN WE SEE THE, UM, MIXED USE OF MULTIFAMILY WITH, UM, SORT OF THIS LIVE WORK PLAY STYLE.
UH, BUT WE'VE SEEN THAT WE'VE, WE HAVE A FEW OF THOSE ALREADY WITHIN, UM, THAT ACTUALLY WITH, NEAR, NEAR THAT CORRIDOR.
IS THAT CORRECT? OR? SO, UM, THERE'VE BEEN A FEW MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS, UH, THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED IN THE AREA.
THOSE HAVE BEEN EXCLUSIVELY RESIDENTIAL.
UM, THERE, I KNOW THERE ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF, UM, MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT DOWNTOWN FIRE WHEEL TOWN CENTER, UM, OF COURSE.
AND WHEN YOU EXPAND THE AREA IN GARLAND, UM, I, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY LIVE WORK COMPONENTS IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA OF TOWN.
IT'D, IT'D BE A BIT UNIQUE TO, TO THIS AREA, I BELIEVE.
SO THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
IT'S UNIQUE TO THIS AREA, BUT IT'S NOT UNIQUE TO THE METROPLEX, I GUESS I WOULD SAY.
YEAH, I, I DESIGNED ONE DOWN IN CAPELLA PARKS AND TOWN HOMES DOWN THERE, AND BOTTOM FLOOR WAS OFFICE.
COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER ROSE,
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IN YOUR DISCUSSIONS WITH THE APPLICANT, HAVE YOU BEEN GIVEN A TIMEFRAME AS TO WHEN THIS MIGHT ALL HAPPEN?SO IT, IT CAN BE, UM, IT CAN BE MANY, MANY MONTHS BEFORE, YOU KNOW, GROUND GETS BROKEN, UH, DEPENDING ON, UM, HOW QUICKLY.
BUT I, I'M, NO SIR, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY PARTICULAR TIMEFRAME.
THAT MAY BE A QUESTION FOR MR. FISHER.
WELL, BUT, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO DEVELOP THIS.
THEY'RE NOT JUST GETTING IT REZONED SO THEY CAN SELL THE DIRT.
THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, CONSIDERING HOW VERY DETAILED THE DETAIL PLAN IS.
UM, I I BELIEVE THEY'RE, THEY'RE READY TO, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, THIS DESIGN.
UH, WELL, A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
LET'S START, UH, WITH, UH, THE NARRATIVE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT AS IT RELATES TO THE PARKING AND THE LIVE USE, UM, PARKING ARRANGEMENTS THERE.
IT'S MY, MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE READING THAT THERE'S ONLY LIKE FIVE OR SO, UH, PARKING SPACES AVAILABLE FOR THE, UH, BUSINESSES.
UH, AND THE, UH, NARRATIVE PROVIDED INDICATES THAT THAT'S SUFFICIENT BECAUSE IT WOULD, UH, UM, COOPERATE WITH THE, YOU KNOW, LACK OF PEOPLE THERE DURING THE DAY.
UM, AND, UH, THEN AT NIGHTTIME THE BUSINESSES ARE, ARE GONNA CLOSE.
THE TWO, TWO QUESTIONS FROM THAT.
UH, THE FIRST IS, IS THERE SOME SORT OF RESTRICTION ABOUT THE TYPES OF BUSINESSES THAT COULD BE THERE? UH, BECAUSE SOME BUSINESSES MAY BE OPEN A LITTLE BIT LATER THAN NORMAL, NORMAL WORKING HOURS.
I KNOW MR. FISHER, UM, PROVIDED SOME INFORMATION AS FAR AS WHAT THE, UM, UM, I DUNNO, IT'S HOA, BUT THERE, THERE ARE GONNA BE SPECIFIC TERMS IN THE LEASE.
THE LEASE IS FOR THESE LIVE WORK UNITS, AND I BELIEVE THEY ARE PRETTY RESTRICTED UNDER THE INTENT IS GENERAL OFFICE, SMALL SCALE RETAIL OR PERSONAL SERVICES, UM, OPERATING BY APPOINTMENT ONLY.
UM, BUT AS FAR AS MORE SPECIFICS, UM, I MAY DEFER TO MR. FISHER TO, UM, CLARIFY WHAT, UM, WHAT ADDITIONAL RESTRICTIONS THERE ARE IN THE LEASE TERMS. I, I GUESS THE, THE QUESTION IS, IS THERE A VERY SPECIFIC SET OF, UH, ZONING REQUIREMENTS FOR A MIXED USE, UH, DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, REALLY LIMIT THEIR ABILITY FOR CERTAIN LEASES TO EVEN ENTER THE PROPERTY? SURE.
WELL, FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE, YES, IT WOULD BE LIMITED TO RETAIL, GENERAL OFFICE OR PERSONAL SERVICES.
SO OTHER THINGS LIKE SMOKE SHOPS OR, UM, YEAH, LAUNDROMAT, OTHER THINGS THAT ARE DEFINED COMPLETELY DIFFERENTLY WOULD NOT BE, UH, PERMITTED THERE.
SO IT WOULD BE LIMITED TO THOSE.
AND WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, IN THE AGE OF, OF, OF WORK FROM HOME, THE, THE, THE POSSIBILITY THAT MANY, UH, PERSONS WILL NOT BE LEAVING, UH, TO GO ELSEWHERE, PRESUMING THAT, YOU KNOW, THE MARKET STAYS KIND OF HYBRID AS IT IS AT THIS TIME.
SO CONCERNS ABOUT PARKING, UH, NEXT, AND I, I'M LOOKING AT WHAT IS LABELED AS EXHIBIT C IN OUR PACKET.
I, I PRESUME THAT THIS IS WHAT THE SITE PLAN IS, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE.
I, THERE IS SOME VARIATION IN THE BUILDINGS, UH, IS KIND OF MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE READING OF THE SITE PLAN.
AND THAT'S TO BE EXPECTED BECAUSE PART OF THAT IS THE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
YOU, YOU HAVE THE BUILDING TWO THAT IS FOR THE MIXED USE.
UH, I PRESUME BUILDING THREE, WHICH IS LABELED MULTIFAMILY, IS ANOTHER OF THE BASIC MIXED USE IT.
MY QUESTION IS ABOUT THE BUILDING THAT IS LABELED GARLAND STORAGE LIMIT PARTNERSHIP.
NOW, I KNOW THAT'S THE OWNERSHIP, I PRESUME, BUT I JUST WANT CONFIRMATION THAT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT STORAGE UNITS THAT ARE GOING NO, SIR, IN THIS SPACE.
THAT THAT MUST BE A REFERENCE TO THE OWNERSHIP.
NO, THIS IS ENTIRELY MULTIFAMILY WITH A SMALL LIVE WORK COMPONENT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, I, I ASKED SOME OF THE SAME TRAFFIC QUESTIONS, UM, AND APPARENTLY THAT, UH, TRAFFIC REPORT WAS SIMILAR TO, I THINK THE ONE DONE BOB TOWN, WHICH HAD SUGGESTED RES STRIPING AND EVERYTHING.
SO TRAFFIC DEPARTMENT'S, UH, TRYING TO GO AHEAD WITH THAT.
AND I ASKED ABOUT SIGNALIZATION, BUT THE TRAFFIC DOES NOT WARRANT SIGNALIZATION AT THE DRIVEWAY NOW, BUT THEY WILL BE PUTTING, THERE'LL BE A STOP SIGN ON, UH, THE ROAD THERE.
IT WON'T BE A FOUR WAY, JUST TWO WAY.
AND I ASKED ABOUT A TURN LANE ANALYSIS WAS DONE AND IT DIDN'T, AND THAT A TURN LANE INTO THE COMPLEX WOULDN'T RELIEVE ENOUGH TRAFFIC TO MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE.
AND IN THE PD CONDITIONS, IT DOES CALL OUT.
UH, YEAH, JUST AS, AS, UH, MR. GARRIN SAID, IT DOES CALL OUT THE USES AND IT DOES RESTRICT THE AMOUNT OF CARS THAT CAN GO IN THERE TOO ON A GIVEN DAY, HOW THAT'S GONNA BE ENFORCED.
I THINK IT'D BE THE KIND OF THING, IT'LL BE AN ENFORCEMENT TOOL IF THERE'S AN ISSUE.
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SO LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE TRYING TO HAMMER IT DOWN.I DO LIKE A LIVE WORK ID, AND IF IT WORKS, I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE.
'CAUSE HEY, BEING AN ARCHITECT, I WOULDN'T MIND HAVING AN OFFICE DOWNSTAIRS AND A UNIT UPSTAIRS, SO, GOOD.
UH, THE THIRD CASE TONIGHT IS Z 2342.
UH, THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A SPECIFIC EAST PROVISION FOR AUTOMOBILE SALES, NEW OR USED IN AN EXISTING BUILDING FOR AUTOMOBILE REPAIR.
THE SITE IS LOCATED AT 4 2 1 EAST WALNUT STREET.
IT IS A 1.5 ACRE SITE SOUND INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.
THIS IS WHERE IT IS LOCATED WITHIN THE CITY, AND THIS IS WHERE IT'S LOCATED WITHIN THE GENERAL AREA.
SO YOU CAN SEE TO THE NORTH NORTHEAST, UH, BORDERS, UH, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL WHILE IN ALL THE OTHER DIRECTIONS.
IT'S SURROUNDED BY, UH, INDUSTRIAL ZONING.
UH, MANY OF THESE INDUSTRIAL ACTIVITIES INCLUDE, UM, AUTOMOBILE REPAIR, JUST LIKE THIS SITE, UM, AS WELL AS LIGHT MANUFACTURING, UH, WAREHOUSE USE, UH, AND, UH, SMALL DISTRIBUTION CENTERS.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES HAVE THIS SITE LOCATED OR ZONE FOR, UH, COMPACT NEIGHBORHOODS.
UM, THESE TWO PHOTOS ARE LOOKING, UH, EAST AND WEST DOWN, UH, EAST WALNUT, UH, STREET RESPECTIVELY.
AND, UH, HERE ARE MORE PHOTOS OF THE SITE, UM, THE FIRST BEING THE PHOTO OF THE SITE AND THE, UH, UH, SECOND BEING, UH, LOOKING SOUTH ACROSS OF, ACROSS FROM WALNUT.
UH, CONSIDERATION SHOULD BE GIVEN TO WHETHER ADDING AUTO, AUTO, AUTOMOTIVE, UH, RELATED USES SUCH AS AUTOMOBILE SALES THAT REQUIRE ZONING CHANGES ARE THE BEST USE OF LAND.
THE PLAN RECOMMENDS BEING SELECTIVE ON LAND USE REQUESTS REQUIRING REZONING SUCH AS SUVS.
THE PROPOSAL WOULD NOT BE ANTICIPATED TO ADD SALES TAX THE APPLICANT REQUESTS, UH, TO ALLOW AUTOMOBILE SALES NEW OR USED, WHICH REQUIRES A SPECIFIC USE PROVISION IN THE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES THAT FIVE AUTOMOBILES WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR SALE AT ONE TIME ON THE PROPERTY AS A MAXIMUM.
THE VEHICLES FOR SALE MAY BE STORED INSIDE THE BUILDING AND NOT NECESSARILY OUTDOORS ACCORDING TO THE APPLICANT.
UH, THE APPLICANT REQUESTS THE SUP BE VALID FOR A TIME PERIOD OF THREE YEARS.
THE DRAFT CONDITIONS OF THE, UH, SUP LIMIT THE SITE TO A MAXIMUM OF FIVE, UH, AUTOMOBILE SALE, UH, FOR SALE ON A SITE WITH THE, UH, THREE YEAR SUP TIME PERIOD.
UM, WE DO FIND THE REQUEST DOES NOT ALIGN WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE OR, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN.
WE SENT OUT 93 NOTIFICATION LETTERS.
UH, ONE OF THESE WAS WITHIN THE NOTIFICATION AREA AND FOR THE REQUEST, AND FIVE WERE WITHIN THE, UH, NOTIFICATION, NOTIFICATION AREA AGAINST THE REQUEST.
UH, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UH, COMMISSIONER ABEL, THEY ARE REQUESTING FIVE VEHICLES BE FOR SALE AT ANY GIVEN TIME.
THEY'RE REQUESTING, UM, TO LIMIT THEMSELVES TO FIVE BEING AVAILABLE FOR SALE AT A TIME, BUT THAT'S THEIR LIMIT.
UM, AND WE HAVE NO WAY OF ENFORCING THAT IN THE FUTURE.
UM, THE CODE, UM, ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT WOULD BE IN CHARGE OF THAT.
I, I GUESS MY, MY THOUGHT ON THAT PROVISION IS A CAR DOES NOT NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE SITTING WITH A POOR SALE SIGN TO BE FOR SALE.
YOU COULD HAVE 20 SITTING ANYWHERE ON THIS LOT, UM, DRIVING THAT AREA VERY REGULARLY.
IT IS A VERY TIGHT AREA AND A TURN, AND I, I HAVE SEVERAL CONCERNS WITH THIS SPECIFIC USE IN THAT AREA.
COMMISSIONER ROSE, WOULD YOU PUT THE, UH, SITE PLAN BACK ON THE SCREEN PLEASE? ALRIGHT, FIVE CAR PARKING, FIVE CAR SALES.
WHAT ARE ALL THE PARKING SPOTS FOR, UH, SO THE PARKING SPOTS RIGHT
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NOW, UM, SO THEY'RE ALL FOR EITHER THE GUESTS, UM, IN FRONT OR FOR PEOPLE ARE FOR CARS TO BE STORED.UM, RIGHT NOW THE PARKING SPOTS ARE JUST THERE BECAUSE IT'S AN AUTOMOBILE REPAIR USE FOR THE BUILDING.
UM, BUT THEY, UH, YOU ARE ABLE TO, YOU ARE ALLOWED TO PARK ON THE CAR ANYWHERE ON THE PROPERTY, UM, IF IT WAS FOR AUTOMOBILE SALES, NEW OR USED.
BUT, UM, THE APPLICANT AND THE, UH, SUP, I BELIEVE DID MENTION THAT, UM, CARS COULD ALSO BE, UH, STORED IN, UH, INSIDE.
UM, YOU SAID AUTOMOBILE REPAIR, ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE AUTOMOBILE REPAIRS HERE AS WELL? YES, SIR.
THAT IS, UH, THE CURRENT USE AND THEY DO PLAN TO KEEP IT.
UH, THANK YOU, SIR, FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
AND, AND, UH, AGAIN, WORDS ARE HARD.
UM, SITE PLAN ALSO REFERENCES THAT THEY HAVE AND, AND I DON'T KNOW, THIS SITE PLAN LOOKS LIKE IS PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT, UH, REFERENCES THAT THEY HAVE 77 PARKING SPOTS AVAILABLE, BUT THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE 92, SO THEY'RE ALREADY DEFICIENT IN PARKING.
HOW WOULD THIS ADDITIONAL USE GO TO THAT, UH, THAT POINT? UH, YES.
SO, UM, IT IS AN EXISTING SITE, UM, AND IT IS AN EXISTING BUILDING.
UM, SO THE FACT THAT THEY'RE SHORT ON PARKING, UH, NOTHING COULD NECESSARILY CHANGE THAT.
BUT, UM, FOR THE AUTOMOBILE SALES, UM, LIKE THEY DID PROPOSE THAT ONLY FIVE ADDITIONAL OF THESE WOULD BE FOR SALE.
AND, UM, THE APPLICANT CAN ELABORATE ON THIS MORE AND, AND THE 7:00 PM MEETING.
BUT, UM, THE IDEA HOW THEIR BUSINESS WORKS IS THAT, UH, THEY TYPICALLY ARE SELLING CARS THAT ARE ALREADY THERE FOR REPAIR THAT ARE EITHER ABANDONED OR SOLD TO THEM WHEN THE FIGURE IS TOO EXPENSIVE.
SO, UM, THEIR JUSTIFICATION WAS THAT THEY, UH, ALREADY HAD THESE CARS FOR REPAIR THAT END UP JUST TURNING INTO CARS FOR SALE.
I, I HEARD YOU ALSO MENTIONED THAT THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN DOING THIS PROPOSED USE, ALREADY HAD BEEN DOING THIS USE, UH, PROPOSED USE ALREADY.
SO HOW THE, THEIR BUSINESS WORKS IS THEY PROCEED TO DO REPAIRS IN THE EVENT THAT A PERSON, YOU KNOW, WHOSE CAR YOU KNOW THEY'RE WORKING ON CANNOT AFFORD THE REPAIRS.
ARE THEY DOING IT AT THE SITE ALREADY? I, I HAVE NOT REC I WAS NOT, UM, SORRY.
THEY ARE NOT DOING THIS RIGHT NOW, TO MY KNOWLEDGE.
UM, THIS IS A PROPOSED USE FOR THEM TO START SELLING CARS.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT IN VIOLATION OF THE CODE AND TRYING TO GET RIGHT.
THEY'RE JUST, AS FAR AS I KNOW, THEY'RE NOT SELLING ANY CARS AT THIS PROPERTY.
UM, THIS STRETCH, SORRY, I'M TAKING UP EVERYONE'S TIME.
THE, THE STRETCH OF WALNUT, UH, WALNUT IS MOSTLY IN, IS ALL INDUSTRIAL.
AND THERE ARE OTHER AUTOMOBILE USES ON THAT PROPERTY ON THAT, UH, STRETCH.
YEAH, THERE WERE A COUPLE BUSINESSES, I'M CANNOT POINT OUT WHERE EXACTLY, BUT THEY ARE, THEY'RE ALSO AUTOMOBILE, UH, REPAIR.
TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THEY'RE ALL REPAIR ONLY THOUGH, AND THEY'RE NOT SALES.
I AM NOT AWARE OF ANY SALES, UH, IN THIS STRETCH.
AND, AND I, I'M GUESSING THAT A REVIEW OF ALL THE, UH, THE ORDINANCES WOULD ALSO REVIEW THAT THERE ARE, THERE ARE NO SALES PERMITTED WITH ANY OF THE NEIGHBORS OR ANYTHING OF THE SORT AS WELL? UH, I BELIEVE SO.
UM, AS AUTOMOBILE SALES DO REQUIRE THE SVP IN THE SONY CA OKAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? FROM A PURELY, AGAIN, LAND PLANNING POINT.
I THINK FOR THE PAST 20 PLUS YEARS, GARLAND'S BEEN TRYING TO CONSOLIDATE WHERE AUTOMOBILE SALES USES ARE, AND I DON'T WANT TO START A NEW AREA OF IT.
AND I USED TO LIVE ON SHORE HAVEN, SO I UNDERSTAND THE PEOPLE'S, UH, COMPLAINTS ABOUT IT.
AND, AND IT'S ALSO AS MENTIONED, SOMETHING SUPER HARD TO CONTROL.
AND, UH, I'VE KNOWN OF OTHER AUTOMOBILE SALES, I MEAN, UH, REPAIR SHOPS AND THEY USUALLY PARTNER WITH AN AUTO SALES PLACE AND LORD KNOWS WE GOT ENOUGH TO, UH, PARTNER WITH IN TOWN HERE, SO THEY COULD DO THAT.
THE, UH, FINAL CASE TONIGHT IS, UH, Z 2345.
THE APPLICANT REQUESTS A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE DISTRICT TO COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT.
UH, THE SITE IS LOCATED AT 29 30 BROADWAY BOULEVARD.
IT IS A 1.16 ACRE SITE, AND, UM, IT IS CURRENTLY ZONE NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE.
THIS IS WHERE THE SITE IS LOCATED WITHIN THE CITY, AND THIS IS WHERE THE SITE IS LOCATED WITHIN THE GENERAL AREA.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THIS
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PROPERTY, 29 20 BROADWAY DIRECTLY TO THE NORTHWEST, UM, DID JUST COME THROUGH THE PLAN COMMISSION.IT IS CURRENTLY STILL IN THE, UH, ZONING PROCESS, UM, TO SEE CITY COUNCIL.
UM, BUT UH, THE PLAN COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF, UH, UH, TOWN HOMES THERE ON THAT PROPERTY.
UM, AND, UH, TO THE SOUTH AND SOUTHWEST SOUTHEAST, IT IS ALSO A COMMERCIAL OR COMMUNITY RETAIL, UH, ZONED PROPERTIES, UM, WITH VARIOUS COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES.
UM, YOU'LL FIND, UH, GAS PUMPS AT THE CONVENIENCE STORE, UH, RETAIL STORE RESTAURANTS, UH, AND OTHER VARIOUS USAGE YOU'D FIND WITHIN A CR.
AND THEN FINALLY, UH, TO THE NORTH IS THE, SOME OF THE OTHER, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE, UH, NOTABLY HERE AND HERE, AND THEN A MULTIFAMILY TO THE EAST.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES HAVE THIS AREA SLATED FOR COMPACT NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND VISIONS, UH, THIS AREA FOR COMPACT NEIGHBORHOODS.
UH, THESE AREAS PROVIDE, UH, TRANSITIONS BETWEEN TRADITIONAL RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS AND HIGHER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
UH, THESE AREAS ACCOMMODATE USES SUCH AS CONVENIENCE, RETAIL, UH, GOODS AND SERVICE, GOODS AND SERVICES, UH, OFFICE SPACE AND PUBLIC SERVICES.
THE, UH, ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER AND SCALE OF THESE AREAS ARE COMPATIBLE WITH ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
UH, THE COMMUNITY RETAIL, UH, DISTRICT HERE OFFERS SUPPORTIVE RETAIL USES TO THE RESIDENTIAL AREA NEARBY.
UH, THE REQUEST IS A TRADITIONAL REZONING WITHOUT THE FORMATION OF A A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
THESE REQUESTS DO NOT REQUIRE, UH, CONCEPT PLAN OR DETAIL PLAN APPROVAL TO COMMENCE OR DIRECT DEVELOPMENT.
UH, DEVELOPMENT IS DEPENDENT ON THE STANDARDS SET FORTH BY THE GARLAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
UH, THE APPLICANT WILL COMPLY WITH ALL DESIGN STANDARDS PER THE GDC.
HERE ARE PHOTOS OF THE SUBJECT SITE, UH, LOOKING TO THE, UH, EAST AND NORTHEAST.
AND HERE ARE PHOTOS OF THE SITE LOOKING TO THE, UH, NORTH AND WEST, SHOWING SOME OF THE, UH, EXISTING BUILDINGS IN THE, UH, CURRENT NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE, SONY.
AND THEN, UM, OF COURSE, BETWEEN, UH, THIS BUILDING AND WHERE THE PHOTO WAS TAKEN WOULD BE WORTHY OF, UH, POSSIBLE HOUSING WOULD BE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE, UH, DISTRICT TO COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT.
WE SENT OUT 67 NOTIFICATION LETTERS.
WE RECEIVED TWO AND BOTH WERE WITHIN THE NOTIFICATION AREA.
AND FOR THE REQUEST, I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS? I'VE GOT ONE QUICK QUESTION.
UM, IS YOUR RECOMMENDATION ALSO TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT THE NEW RESIDENTIAL ZONING RIGHT NEXT DOOR THEN? OKAY.
IT DOES GOOD BECAUSE RIGHT IN HERE IT SAYS NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE, WHICH IS NOW IS MEANT AS A TRANSITION.
SO WE'RE KIND OF DOING AWAY WITH THE TRANSITION.
AND THIS MORE INTENSIVE USE WILL BE RIGHT UP NEXT TO THE RESIDENTIAL.
JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU CONSIDERED IT.
WE GOTTA DO THE CONSENT AGENDA AND WE'VE GOT A MISCELLANEOUS ITEM.
ARE YOU, YEAH, I DIDN'T REMEMBER.
I BELIEVE THIS IS THE FINAL ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
UM, SO, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONERS, THE, THIS NEXT ITEM IS A GDC AMENDMENT THAT WAS PROPOSED THAT CAME OUT OF COMMITTEE, THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES COMMITTEE OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
AND WHAT THIS IS, IS, UM, THEY'RE RECOMMENDING TO CREATE A, A NEW LAND USE, SO A SMALL SCALE RECEPTION FACILITY.
UH, CURRENTLY THERE IS A RECEPTION FACILITY, LAND USE IN THE GDC AND WHEREVER IT'S EVEN POSSIBLY ALLOWED.
THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED BY WRIGHT IN ANY ZONING DISTRICT.
UM, THEY DO, THEY REQUIRE AN SUP EVEN BY POSSIBILITY IN, UM, UH, THE MORE INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL, STARTING WITH COMMUNITY RETAIL, BUT COMMUNITY RETAIL ON UP BASICALLY THE MORE INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS AND IN THREE PARTICULAR SUB-DISTRICTS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
SO WHAT THIS, UM, UH, PROPOSAL WOULD CREATE IS A SMALL SCALE RECEPTION FACILITY.
AND HOW THAT WOULD BE DEFINED IS IF THEY WERE, IF THE OCCUPANCY IS NOT BASED ON SQUARE FOOTAGE, BUT IF THE OCCUPANCY IS DETERMINED BY THE BUILDING INSPECTION DEPARTMENT IS 49 OCCUPANTS OR LESS, THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED SMALL SCALE.
AND, UH, THE INTENT REALLY IS FOR, UM, I MEAN MORE LIKE BIRTHDAY PARTIES, UM, JUST, JUST SMALLER SCALE EVENTS THAT DON'T REQUIRE, UM, A LOT OF THE SPECIAL STANDARDS THAT WERE FULL ON RECEPTION FACILITIES REQUIRE.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, RECEPTION FACILITIES CURRENTLY REQUIRE ONSITE SECURITY PERSONNEL, UH, TO BE THERE THROUGHOUT THE EVENT.
UM, SO USUALLY THAT LOOKS LIKE AN OFF-DUTY GARLAND POLICE OFFICER, FOR EXAMPLE.
UM, SO SECURITY REQUIREMENTS, THERE'S VERY, UM, RESTRICTIVE, UM, LOCATION REQUIREMENTS WHERE THESE CAN EVEN GO.
UM, THEY HAVE TO BE AT LEAST 500 FEET FROM ANY TYPE OF RESIDENTIAL USE, 500 FEET FROM
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ANOTHER RECEPTION FACILITY USE, UH, THE LIST GOES ON.BUT, UM, THE COMMITTEE FELT THAT, UH, TO CREATE, UH, MORE OF A SMALL, TRULY SMALL EVENT CENTER.
UM, SOME EXAMPLES I THINK WE'RE GIVEN WERE BIRTHDAY PARTIES, MAYBE A, A LITTLE SMALL WEDDING SHOWER, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
A SPACE WHERE, UM, POTENTIAL CUSTOMERS CAN, CAN, UM, RENT A SPACE FOR, FOR THESE TYPES OF EVENTS.
UM, 'CAUSE THERE'S REALLY NO OTHER LANE USE, UM, UH, CLASSIFICATION OF THE GDC OTHER THAN RECEPTION FACILITIES FOR THAT TYPE OF LAND USE.
SO THAT WAS THE INTENT BEHIND CREATING A SMALL SCALE ONE.
UM, I BELIEVE I DO HAVE SOME SLIDES.
IT PROBABLY DOESN'T ADD MUCH TO WHAT I'VE SAID, BUT, UM, BUT JUST TO MAKE SURE, YEAH, JUST THE CREATING, JUST DIFFERENTIATING SMALL SCALE VERSUS LARGE SCALE.
THE MAIN ADDITION HERE IS JUST THIS 49 OR LESS.
UH, OF COURSE, A, A LARGE SCALE RECEPTION FACILITY AS IT'S CURRENTLY CALLED, JUST RECEPTION FACILITY, WOULD BE ANY OCCUPANCY GRADE THAN IN 49.
THE ONES THAT HAVE GONE THROUGH THE S-U-P-S-U-P PROCESS, UM, ARE TYPICALLY MUCH, MUCH, MUCH LARGER THAN THIS.
THEY, IN TERMS OF SQUARE FOOTAGE, THEY RANGE ANYWHERE FROM FIVE TO SOMETIMES UP TO 20,000 SQUARE FEET, BUT USUALLY FOR THE, THE REAL LATE NIGHT PARTIES, THE, YOU KNOW, WEDDING RECEPTIONS AND THINGS THAT GO TILL TWO, THREE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING AND CAN SOMETIMES GENERATE, YOU KNOW, SOME DEGREE OF NOISE AND TRAFFIC THAT WE TRY TO CONTROL THAT AND, AND LIMIT THAT IN THE, THE THAT SUP PROCESS.
UM, BUT YEAH, AGAIN, UH, THAT, THAT'S REALLY THE DIFFERENCE.
THE OCCUPANCY, UH, LEVEL, THE, UM, LARGE SCALE RECEPTION FACILITIES WOULD CONTINUE TO BE ALLOWED ONLY BY SUP IN THOSE SAME ZONING DISTRICTS.
AND THESE SMALL SCALE ONES WOULD BE ALLOWED BY WRIGHT IN THOSE SAME ZONING DISTRICTS WHERE A, A LARGE SCALE RECEPTION FACILITY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO GO THROUGH AN SUP PROCESS.
SO IT ELIMINATE A FULL, UM, PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS AS WELL AS, UM, THE, UH, SPECIAL STANDARDS I MENTIONED, FOR EXAMPLE, ONSITE SECURITY DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS FROM, FROM OTHER RESIDENTIAL.
AGAIN, IF SOMEONE JUST WANTS TO OPEN A SMALL SPACE, UM, TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS A, YOU KNOW, LITTLE WEDDING SHOWER OR BIRTHDAY PARTY, SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO RENT OUT THE SPACE.
SO, UM, WE, WE HAVE HAD THAT REQUEST COME IN FROM TIME TO TIME AND, UM, MOST CASES, THE SUP PROCESS SCARES THEM OFF AND SECURITY, WHICH, UH, DOESN'T REALLY MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE FOR THAT, THAT LEVEL OF, OF PARTY OR EVENT THAT THOSE PARTICULAR FOLKS ARE TALKING ABOUT.
SO, UM, REALLY WITH THAT, UM, THAT, AGAIN, THAT CAME AT A COMMITTEE, IT WENT TO THE, UM, CITY COUNCIL'S WORK SESSION LAST MONDAY, AND THEY GAVE THE THUMBS UP FOR THIS TO PROCEED THROUGH THE FORMAL PROCESS TO YOU ALL AS THE PLAN COMMISSIONERS, AND THEN WE'LL GO BACK TO FULL COUNCIL VIA PUBLIC HEARING IN A FEW WEEKS.
SO THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SMITH.
UM, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT PREVENTS SOMEBODY FROM CHAINING A NUMBER OF THESE TOGETHER, UH, UNDER DIFFERENT OWNERSHIP BY BEING ADJACENT TO EACH OTHER TO GET AROUND THE, UH, LARGE SCALE PROCESS OR, UH, I, I HAVE NOT GONE BACK AND READ THE, THE LEGALESE ON IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, IS IT, IS IT POSSIBLE FOR US TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE SURE THAT A CONDITION OF THE SMALL SCALE RECEPTION FACILITY DESIGNATION, UH, REQUIRES THAT THERE NOT BE ONE ADJACENT TO IT ALREADY? HMM.
KINDA LOOKING AT MR. ROTE AND IF THERE'S ANY LEGAL CONCERNS OR, BECAUSE I, I DON'T WANT SOMEBODY USING LOOPHOLES TO GET THROUGH THIS TO CREATE A, A CONNECTED LARGER FACILITY.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.
UM, I, THE PROBLEMS I WOULD SEE WITH IT THOUGH IS IF, IF YOU HAVE TWO LEGITIMATE THAT ARE GONNA HAVE THEIR PARTY AT THE SAME TIME, RIGHT? WHICH ONE ARE YOU GONNA TELL 'EM? NO.
UM, SO IT'D BE DIFFICULT PROBABLY TO DRAFT LANGUAGE THAT WOULD COVER WHAT YOU'RE ASKING AND, AND NOT IMPACT THOSE YOU DON'T INTEND TO IMPACT AND BE OVERLY BROAD.
COULD A POTENTIAL LANGUAGE, UH, ADJUSTMENT BE THAT, UH, THEY CANNOT CONNECT INTERNALLY WITHIN A SIMILAR BILL? LIKE THEY CAN'T HAVE A CONTIGUOUS CONNECTION INSIDE OF THE SHELL OF THE BUILDING? POSSIBLY.
POSSIBLY WE CAN LOOK AT IT BEFORE IT GOES TO COUNCIL.
THAT'S, THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN.
I JUST DON'T WANNA SEE IT ABUSED.
UM, WELL, I, I COULD'VE S WORN, I HEARD YOU JUST SAY THAT THERE WAS A REQUIREMENT THAT LIMITED THE GEOGRAPHICAL ADJACENCY OF, IS IT, WAS IT LARGE SCALE RECEPTION FACILITIES? CURRENTLY? YES.
AND THOSE WOULD STILL APPLY TO THE NEW, YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT THEY'LL THEN BE CALLED LARGE SCALE.
UH, I ASKED A QUESTION EARLIER AND GOT IT VERIFIED THROUGH BUILDING INSPECTION.
WE'RE TALKING THE SIZE OF THE ACTUAL MEETING ROOM.
UH, TYPICALLY 15 SQUARE FEET PER PERSON WHEN THERE ARE TABLE AND CHAIRS.
SO 735 SQUARE FEET WOULD BE THE MAXIMUM SIZE.
UH, IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE TABLES AND CHAIRS, IT GETS MUCH SMALLER, BUT THEY WOULD ALSO BE ABLE TO HAVE OFFICES
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AND IF THEY HAD ANY WARMING KITCHEN OR THINGS LIKE THAT.SO THOSE WOULD BE ANCILLARY USES.
SO THE ACTUAL MEETING SPACE WOULD BE SMALLER THAN THIS ROOM, MORE LIKE WHAT'S OUT THERE.
AND, UH, TO COMMISSIONER SMITH'S POINT, IF THERE BECOMES AN ISSUE, THEN IT, THEY COULD BE INSPECTED AND IF THERE'S A CUT THROUGH FROM ONE PLACE TO ANOTHER, THEY HAVE VIOLATED THE 49 AND THEN THEY COULD BE SHUT DOWN THAT WAY, THAT THAT WOULD BE AN ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM BECAUSE EVERYTHING'S COMPLAINT DRIVEN.
UH, THAT WAS THE LAST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA.
SO WE ARE IN RECESS UNTIL SEVEN O'CLOCK.
[Call to Order]
WELCOME BACK TO THE DECEMBER 11TH MEETING OF THE GUIDELINE PLAN COMMISSION.THIS IS OUR PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF OUR MEETING.
WE COMMISSIONERS TYPICALLY OPEN OUR MEETING WITH A PRAYER AND A PLEDGE.
YOU'RE INVITED, TOJO, UH, JOIN US WHETHER YOU DO OR NOT, NO WAY AFFECTS THE DECISIONS OF THE COMMISSION OR YOUR RIGHTS IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION.
DO YOU CARE TO JOIN ME? DEAR HEAVENLY FATHER, DURING THIS PERIOD OF THE HOLIDAYS, WE WISH EVERYBODY HAPPINESS, HEALTH, AND PEACE TO TALL ORDER, BUT EVERY LITTLE BIT HELPS.
WE ASK THAT YOU WATCH OVER OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, FIRE, POLICE, MILITARY, AND THEIR FAMILIES AS THEY GO THROUGH ALL THE TRIALS AND TRIBULATIONS OF KEEPING US SAFE AND SOUND.
WE ASK THAT YOU GET GUIDE US TONIGHT TO MAKE THE BEST DECISIONS POSSIBLE FOR THE CITY OF GARLAND.
AND WE ASK ALL THESE THINGS IN YOUR NAME, AMEN.
PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC, OR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE, THE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE.
IF ANYBODY CARESS TO SPEAK TO THE COMMISSION TONIGHT, IF YOU'LL PLEASE FILL OUT A SPEAKER'S CARD, THEY'RE IN THE BACK, ON THE TABLE OR UP FRONT HERE AND HAND IT THE PLAN COMMISSION SECRETARY, THEN I CAN CALL YOUR NAME OUT.
APPLICANTS ARE GIVEN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE.
OTHER SPEAKERS, WE ALLOW THREE.
IF YOU'RE SPEAKING FOR A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION OR A GROUP LIKE THAT, WE DEFINITELY ALLOW MORE TIME.
AND WHAT WE DO NEED IS IF YOU'RE SPEAKING, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS IN THE MICROPHONE.
[CONSENT AGENDA]
WE WILL START TONIGHT WITH OUR CONSENT AGENDA.OUR CONSENT AGENDA ARE ITEMS THAT THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE REVIEWED AND WILL BE VOTING TO APPROVE ON ONE VOTE.
ANY COMMISSIONER OR PERSON IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES AN ITEM WITHDRAWN FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION, JUST LET ME KNOW AFTER I READ THEM.
CONSENT AGENDA ITEM ONE A, CONSIDER APPROVAL OF PLAN COMMISSION MINUTES FOR THE NOVEMBER 20TH, 2023 MEETING.
ITEM TWO, A PLATT 23 DASH 38 TALLEY ROAD ESTATES NUMBER 16, FINAL PLATT PLAT TWO B 23 DASH 39.
HERITAGE, UH, CAN'T READ MY OWN HERITAGE PARK.
CAN'T EVEN READ MY OWN HANDWRITING.
FINAL PLAT, THOSE ARE THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. ANYBODY WANTING AN ITEM REMOVED? SENIOR CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
MR. CHAIR, COMMISSIONER JENKINS.
MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED.
SECOND MOTION BY COMMISSIONER JENKINS, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DALTON TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.
LOOKS, LOOKS LIKE THAT PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.
AGAIN, BECAUSE COUNCIL'S IN SESSION, I WON'T BE GETTING A BREAK OUT.
SO IF WE HAVE A SPLIT, YOU'LL NEED TO LET ME KNOW WHO'S WHO.
[3.a. Consideration of the application of Jacobs Telecommunications/Christine Johnson , requesting approval of 1) an Amendment to Planned Development (PD) District 14-07 for Community Retail Uses to allow an Antenna, Commercial Use and 2) a Detail Plan for an Antenna, Commercial Use. This property is located at 4535 Bass Pro Drive. (District 3) (File Z 23-33)]
ZONING ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION.ITEM THREE, A CONSIDERATION OF THE APPLICATION OF JACOB'S TELECOMMUNICATIONS SLASH CHRISTINE JOHNSON REQUESTING APPROVAL OF AMENDMENT TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 14 DASH SEVEN FOR COMMUNITY RETAIL USES TO ALLOW AN ANTENNA COMMERCIAL USE AND A DETAIL PLAN FOR AN ANTENNA COMMERCIAL USE.
THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 45 35 BASS PRO DRIVE.
I DON'T HAVE A SPEAKER CARD ON THAT ITEM.
IS THE APPLICANT HERE CARE TO SAY ANYTHING? THE APPLICANT IS HERE IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO ADDRESS THIS CASE? I SEE NOBODY IN THE AUDIENCE COMMISSIONERS UP TO Y'ALL.
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PARIS, WE WE DIDN'T GET YOUR DEAL.I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE A ZONING THREE A AS RECOMMEND RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER PARIS.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE.
UH, ITEM THREE, A APPLICATION TO JACOB'S TELECOMMUNICATIONS.
[3.b. Consideration of the application of Realty investments C/o Maxwell Fisher, requesting approval of 1) a Change in Zoning from Light Commercial (LC) District to a Planned Development (PD) District for Multi-Family-2 (MF-2) and Live/Work Uses and 2) a Detail Plan for a multi-family and live/work development. This property is located at 630 East Interstate 30 Freeway and 5305 Zion Road. (District 3) (File Z 23-36)]
ITEM THREE B, CONSIDERATION OF THE APPLICATION OF REALTY INVESTMENTS CARE OF MAXWELL FISHER REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM LIGHT COMMERCIAL DISTRICT TO A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR MULTIFAMILY TWO AND LIVE WORK USES.AND TWO, A DETAILED PLAN FOR MULTIFAMILY AND LIVE WORK DEVELOPMENT.
THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 6 3 0 EAST INTERSTATE 30 FREEWAY AND 53 0 5 ZION ROAD.
MR. FISHER, CHAIRMAN COMMISSIONERS MAXWELL FISHER WITH ZONE DEV 2 5 0 2 GRANDVIEW DRIVE, RICHARDSON, TEXAS 7 5 0 8 0 REPRESENTING REALTY INVESTMENTS.
I THINK I PULLED UP STAFF'S REPORT IS MINE ON HERE? WILL YES.
ACTUALLY GO TO THE PRESENTATIONS FOR, OKAY.
WE ARE EXCITED TO PRESENT THIS TONIGHT TO Y'ALL.
UM, THIS IS, THIS SITE IS STAFF MENTIONED ITS OWN LIKE COMMERCIAL.
IT'S BEEN LIKE COMMERCIAL FOR A WHILE.
UM, MY CLIENT HAS ACTUALLY OWNED THE PROPERTY SINCE 2017 AND THERE'S BEEN A NUMBER OF USES THAT HAVE KICKED THE TIRES ON THIS SITE.
UM, AND IT HASN'T WORKED FOR VARIOUS REASONS.
THEY'VE BEEN AUTO SALES, SELF STORAGE, HVAC, UM, CONTRACTOR YARD, UH, AND FOR VARIOUS REASONS IT HASN'T WORKED.
THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF AN OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS, UM, WITH ZION ROAD GOING TO BE A, A FOREIGN LANE.
UM, UNDIVIDED, UH, IMPROVEMENT SAT BASICALLY ADJACENT TO THIS SITE THAT'S VERY EXPENSIVE.
UM, BUT THE BIGGEST ISSUE FOR AT LEAST THE, THE PORTION THAT'S ON I 30 IS THE, THE GORE.
UM, THERE'S A I 30 OFF RAMP IMMEDIATELY IN FRONT OF THE SITE AND TEXT DO DOESN'T ALLOW A DRIVE APPROACH WITHIN A CERTAIN DISTANCE.
AND SO WE CAN'T HAVE A DIRECT ACCESS POINT.
WELL, THAT KILLS A LOT OF OF BUSINESS, UM, OR ANY, ANY RETAIL PROSPECTS THAT WANNA DEVELOP THAT PROPERTY.
UM, SO WE THINK WE FOUND A SORT OF A HAPPY MEDIUM WITH THIS REQUEST, WHICH I'LL GET INTO IN, IN A BIT.
UM, SO REALTY INVESTMENTS, THEY'VE BEEN AROUND SINCE 2017.
UM, THEY'RE NOT ONLY DEVELOPED, BUT THEY ALSO HOLD ASSETS.
UM, UM, SO THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
THEY'VE BEEN AROUND A WHILE AND THEY HAVE A COUPLE PROJECTS HERE.
THIS HIGHLIGHT HICKORY CREEK, SO 380, UM, UNIT DEVELOPMENT, UM, AND A HIGH HIGHLY AFFLUENT AREA THAT THEY, THEY DID ADAPTIVE KIND OF A, A RESIDENTIAL INFILL DEVELOPMENT THAT'S OF HIGH QUALITY.
THEY WOULD BRING THAT SAME QUALITY TO GARLAND.
AND THEN HERE'S ANOTHER ONE THAT'S ACTUALLY A WRAP PRODUCT THAT ADDED A RESIDENTIAL PHASE TO THE MIXED USE, UM, DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS RESTAURANT AND OFFICE AT, UH, ROCKWELL HARBOR DISTRICT.
SO, UM, SO THIS IS 250 UNITS, THREE BUILDINGS, THREE STORIES.
UM, THE MAIN CLUBHOUSE AS MENTIONED IS IN BUILDING ONE OFF OF ZION.
UM, BUILDING TWO WOULD HAVE, UH, APARTMENTS, BUT IT WOULD ALSO HAVE A LIVE WORK COMPONENT, UM, THAT, UM, WE'LL GET INTO IN A BIT.
BUT BASICALLY THERE'S ABOUT 4,600 SQUARE FEET ON THE GROUND FLOOR, THE ENTIRE GROUND FLOOR FACING I 30 THAT WE WOULD, UM, TRY TO RENT TO A RESIDENT WHO ALSO HAS A, THEIR A BUSINESS.
UM, IT COULD BE RETAIL, PERSONAL SERVICE, SOMETHING THAT'S APPOINTMENT BASED BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE GREAT ACCESS HERE.
SO IT NEEDS TO BE THE, THE APPOINTMENTS NEED TO BE SET UP FOR IT TO WORK.
THERE ARE TUCK UNDER GARAGES IN THIS, IN THIS DEVELOPMENT.
THERE'S, UH, 75 TUCK UNDER GARAGE SPACES, WHICH IS QUITE A BIT, UM, FOR OUR 250 UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
UM, WE HAVE SOME ENHANCED COURTYARDS AS WELL.
I'LL BE HAPPY TO GO OVER MORE DETAILS, BUT I'LL KEEP MOVING ALONG SEVERAL AMENITIES, BOTH EXTERIOR AMENITIES AND INTERIOR AMENITIES.
AND, AND OF COURSE THESE APARTMENTS WILL BE, UM, CLASS A WITH ALL THE TYPICAL STAINLESS STEEL FIXTURES.
AND, UM, THIS CASE COURTS COUNTERTOPS, STEP-IN SHOWERS, WALK-IN CLOSETS,
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LED LIGHTING, UM, THAT YOU SEE WITH SOME OF THE MORE RECENT MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS IN THIS CORRIDOR.WE'LL HAVE LIGHTED KIND OF A LIGHTED, UM, UM, SECTION, LIKE A SEATING AREA.
AND THERE'LL BE DIFFERENT SECTIONS LIKE FOR YARD GAMES AND THEN A LARGE POOL AND A BARBECUE PIT, UM, SORT OF OUTDOOR KITCHEN AREA.
UM, AND DIFFERENT AREAS FOR, UH, FOR DIFFERENT RENTS TO ENJOY.
THE OTHER VALUE ADD HERE THAT WE HAVE, WE ACTUALLY SEE, YOU SEE THE PRIVATE YARDS IN THE PERIPHERY OF THIS COURTYARD.
THERE'LL BE ACTUALLY PRIVATE PATIOS.
SO THE UNITS WILL FACE THE INTERIOR COURTYARD AND THERE'LL BE A FENCED AREA THERE THAT RESIDENTS WILL BASICALLY, IF YOU LIVE IN, LIVE ADJACENT TO THAT COURTYARD, YOU HAVE YOUR OWN PRIVATE SPACE OUTSIDE YOUR PATIO, BUT YOU ENJOY THAT OPEN SPACE AREA, KINDA LIKE YOU WOULD IN A HOTEL, IF YOU'RE STAYING IN A HOTEL.
SO I THINK THAT WAS, UM, KEY HERE.
THIS ONE, THIS ONE SORT OF OPENS TO THE, TO AN EXTERIOR WE'D BE OPENING TO THE INTERIOR COURTYARD, BUT IT KIND OF GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF THE, SORT OF THE, THE JUXTAPOSITION OF THE PRIVATE AND THE, AND THE PUBLIC, UM, SPACE AND HOW THAT PLAYS.
UM, ALL RIGHT, HERE'S THE OTHER INTERIOR COURTYARD.
UM, THERE'S ACTUALLY SORT OF A THEATER THAT WE MAY DO HERE, UM, OUTDOOR SPACE, UM, AS WELL AS OTHER, UM, UM, OUT YARD GAMES AND SEATING AREAS.
AND THE FIRE PIT OF COURSE, ON EACH COURTYARD.
THIS IS THE RENDERING FROM ZION.
UM, WE PLACED OUR BUILDING BACK TWO REASONS FOR DETENTION IN STORM WATER, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, WHEN MEETING WITH THE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD BACK IN THE SUMMER, UM, IT WAS IMPORTANT THAT WE KEPT OUR BUILDING AND MASSING AWAY FROM THEM.
WE'RE WE'RE FAR OFF OF, OF ZION.
SOUTHWEST IS A CLOSER VIEW, UM, FROM ZION OF THE, OF THE ENTRY WHERE THE, UH, CLUBHOUSE WOULD BE.
SO THAT'S THE NORTH, UH, EAST CORNER OF, OF BUILDING ONE THERE.
UH, THIS IS, THIS IS ACTUALLY THE LIVE WORK BUILDING TWO THAT FACES I 30.
UM, AGAIN, GROUND FLOOR, LIVE WORK.
AND THEN ABOVE WOULD BE, UH, ALL RESIDENTIAL.
WE WOULD ASK THE COMMISSION FOR A LITTLE FLEXIBILITY.
WE'RE PROPOSING FIVE LIVE WORK UNITS.
UM, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE EITHER FOUR OR OR FIVE.
AND I TELL YOU WHY IS THAT WHEN IF WE DO FIVE, THEY'RE GONNA BE ABOUT 920 SQUARE FEET, AND AFTER ARCHITECT LOOKED AT IT, WE MAY WANNA DO THOSE AT MORE LIKE 1150.
AND THAT WAY THERE'S A LITTLE MORE ROOM FOR THE, THE RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL COMPONENTS.
SO THAT WAY THEY, WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE, WE ACTUALLY RENT THEM OUT AND SOMEONE HAS ENOUGH SPACE TO, TO LIVE AND HAVE A COMMERCIAL COMPONENT.
SO WE WOULD, THE ENTIRE 4,600 SQUARE FEET IN THE GROUND FLOOR WOULD BE LIVE WORK, BUT WE MAY WANNA DO FOUR INSTEAD OF FIVE.
SO WE CAN HAVE BIGGER UNITS TO MAKE THEM MORE FEASIBLE AND ATTRACTIVE TO SOMEONE WHO MIGHT WANNA LOAN MORE SPACE VERSUS, OH, THIS ISN'T BIG ENOUGH.
I HAVE A BUSINESS, BUT IT'S NOT BIG ENOUGH.
I GOTTA MOVE ON AND FIND ANOTHER PLACE.
WE'RE DOING, UH, BRICK AND, AND STUCCO, UM, WITH, UH, THE ATTACHED GARAGES, YOU CAN SEE THERE A LOT OF PATIOS, UM, A LOT OF BALCONIES, I SHOULD SAY.
UM, I WILL WRAP UP AND BE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, BUT WE'D ASK YOU TO SUPPORT THIS REQUEST, UH, APPROVE THIS REQUEST.
THERE'S A LOT OF SITE CHALLENGES.
OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS ARE EXPENSIVE.
THE CHALLENGES WITH THE ACCESS, OH, I DID FORGET TO MENTION, SO ON THE PREVIOUS DEVELOPMENTS, I'M GONNA GO WAY BACK ON THE PREVIOUS, UM, PROPOSAL ON THIS SITE, I, I WORKED ON ONE OF THEM THAT DIDN'T, DIDN'T MAKE IT THIS FAR.
THE, THE SOUTHWEST SECTION THAT YOU SEE THERE, THAT'S A VERY CHALLENGING BURIED PIECE.
IT DOES NOT HAVE ACCESS UNLESS IT DEVELOPS WITH THIS PROPERTY.
AND SO THE, THE, THE CURRENT OWNER WAS ABLE TO GET, CAPTURE THAT PIECE AND INCLUDED INTO, WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT.
SO BUILDING THREE IS DEVELOPING, OTHERWISE THAT TRACK WOULD'VE BEEN IN TROUBLE NOW.
UM, AND WE JUST DON'T KNOW HOW IT WOULD DEVELOP.
AND SO REALLY THE ONLY WAY IT DEVELOPS IS KIND OF WITH THIS TRACK.
UM, AND SO WE'RE ABLE TO DO THAT WITH THIS PROPOSAL.
AND I'LL GO QUICKLY GO TO THE SUMMARY HERE.
WE THINK THE RESIDENTIAL BOLSTERS RETAIL ON ON BETTER SUITED TRACKS, THIS ALIGNS WITH THE MULTI-FAMILY AROUND IT.
UM, IT, IT DOESN'T ORPHAN THAT PAR PARCEL THAT I MENTIONED.
THIS EXPANDS, UM, HOUSING OPTIONS.
IT'S A WELL MONETIZED DEVELOPMENT AND IT TAKES ADVANTAGE OF THE I 30 VISIBILITY WITH THE LIVE WORK COMPONENT.
AND WE'D ASK YOU TO FOLLOW STAFF'S, UH, SUPPORT AND, AND ALIGNMENT WITH THE, THE PLANS AS MENTIONED BY STAFF EARLIER IN THE MEETING.
AND WE APPRECIATE STAFF WORKING WITH US ON THE ARCHITECTURE AS WELL.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ALL RIGHTY, COMMISSIONER DALTON.
GOOD EVENING, MAXWELL, WELCOME BACK AGAIN.
UM, ON THE I 30 PIECE OF THIS, WHERE THERE IS A RAMP IMMEDIATELY IN FRONT OF YOUR PROPERTY.
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RAMPS AT ENTRANCE EXIT POINTS.IS THERE ANY TALK OF THEM FLIPPING THIS RAMP WHERE IT WOULD MAKE IT AVAILABLE FOR YOU TO USE AS AN ENTRANCE POINT? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
UH, I'M NOT AWARE OF THE, THE, THE RAMP CHANGING LOCATION.
UM, I GUESS IT HAS TO GO SOMEWHERE.
SO UNFORTUNATELY, SOMEBODY IS ALWAYS AT A DISADVANTAGE WHERE SOMEONE ELSE IMMEDIATELY DOWN FROM HERE TO THE EAST PROBABLY LOVES WHERE A RAMP IS.
UM, SO I, I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT, UM, SINCE YOU MENTIONED THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE OPPORTUNITY TO POTENTIALLY HAVE CROSS ACCESS IN THE FUTURE, UM, AND MAYBE EVEN STUB OUT TO THE EAST.
UM, IN THE EVENT THAT THE PROPERTY IMMEDIATELY EAST THAT THE COMMERCIAL GETS REDEVELOPED, UM, WE'D LIKE TO SOMEDAY HAVE CROSS ACCESS SO THAT WAY SOMEONE ANSWER, UH, ANSWER, UH, EXITING THAT RAMP, UM, COULD GET TO OUR SITE, UM, A LITTLE MORE, UM, DIRECTLY AS OPPOSED TO A CIRCUITOUS ROUTE, WHICH IS THROUGH ZION, WHICH IS WHAT WE HAVE TODAY.
SO WE THINK IT'S GONNA BE AN APPOINTMENT BASED BUSINESS IS REALLY THE ONLY THING THAT'S GONNA WORK THERE, WHICH ISN'T A BAD THING BECAUSE THAT WE WANT IT TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE RESIDENTIAL APPOINTMENT.
I KIND OF, I KIND OF WENT OFF ON A TANGENT, BUT SOMEWHAT RELATED.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER PARIS.
THANK YOU FOR TAKING US THROUGH SOME MORE OF THE RENDERINGS AND HELPING US BETTER UNDERSTAND VISUALLY WHAT TO EXPECT AND WHAT THE, THE, THE LAND USE COULD BE AND TRYING TO FIND SOMETHING THAT WILL WORK WITH THE LAND.
I KNOW YOU SAID THROUGH THE EARLIER, UH, WORK SESSION WHERE YOU HEARD SOME OF THE QUESTIONS, UM, AND, AND, AND GOOD THAT THE TRAFFIC, UH, THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS COMPONENT OF IT IS, UH, IN THE PROCESS OF BEING WORKED.
SO, UM, THAT'S A GOOD PIECE TO IT.
AND MY QUESTION FOR YOU EAR EARLIER, THERE WAS A QUESTION AROUND THE, UH, THE RETAIL SPACE AND THE USE, AND YOU JUST MENTIONED, I'M GOING FROM FIVE TO FOUR.
UH, CAN YOU TELL ME A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE TYPES OF RETAIL THAT COULD GO INTO THAT SPACE AROUND WHEN WE THINK OF PERSONAL SERVICES OR SMALL SCALE RETAIL, IF YOU CAN GIVE ME A LITTLE BIT MORE OF AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT MIGHT BE? YEAH, IT PROBABLY, I, IT PROBABLY WON'T BE LIKE TRUE RETAIL.
IT WON'T BE SELLING GOODS NECESSARILY.
IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE MORE LIKE A PROFESSIONAL OFFICE.
SO MAYBE A LAWYER HAS THEIR OFFICE THERE, MAYBE THEY HAVE AN OCCASIONAL CLIENT THAT COMES THERE.
THEN THERE COULD BE SOMEONE THAT CUTS AIR.
MAYBE THEY HAVE ONE STAND AND, AND THEY, THEY'RE ONE A ONE MAN OR WOMAN SHOP.
UM, UM, IT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING APPOINTMENT BASED ONLY.
YOU COULD HAVE JUST A GENERAL OFFICE, AS I MENTIONED, IS PROBABLY, UM, THE MOST LIKELY, UH, USE, UM, YOU, BUT WE, BY ALLOWING A RETAIL AT LEAST GIVES US SOME OPTIONS IN CASE WE DO GET A RETAIL USE THAT COULD STILL BE COMPATIBLE.
UH, WE'LL HAVE LEASE, WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE LEASES WITH OUR, OUR RESIDENTS.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING SOMETHING THAT'S INCOMPATIBLE JUST BECAUSE IT'S ALLOWED UNDER RETAIL.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S A, A USE THAT WORKS, UM, FOR THAT SITE, FOR THAT BUILDING.
THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE FOR NOW.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF MR. FISHER? ALL RIGHTY.
UH, LET ME ASK, UH, UH, MR. GARRIN QUESTION.
WOULD WE NECESSARILY HAVE TO CHANGE IT FOUR OR FIVE, OR WOULD THAT BE ADMINISTRATIVELY? YOU COULD INSTEAD OF FIVE GO TO FOUR.
AS LONG AS WE'RE USING THE WHOLE FOR, SO ACTUALLY, AND OF COURSE OUR REPORT, I KNOW SAID FIVE AND, AND THE SITE PLAN INDICATES FIVE, UH, LIVE WORK UNITS.
THE DRAFT PD CONDITIONS IN THE PACKET ACTUALLY DO SAY A MAXIMUM OF FIVE.
SO IT DOESN'T, UH, CONFLICT WITH THAT CONDITION.
UM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE DO WANNA SEE 'EM CERTAINLY.
SO MAYBE THERE'S A WAY TO CONDITION IT A LITTLE TIGHTER.
SO WHERE IT SAYS FOUR OR FIVE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE COULD WORK ON THAT LANGUAGE.
SO WE CAN PUT THAT INTO MOTION.
AND, UH, JUST AN OBSERVATION THAT IS AN ODDBALL PIECE OF LAND, AND IT'S ALMOST LIKE YOU'RE CREATING THREE LITTLE VILLAGES INSTEAD OF ONE BIG COMPLEX.
WHAT KIND OF FOREST DO, AREN'T WE? YEAH.
SOMETIMES, UH, BEST DESIGN COMES OUT OF ADVERSITY, SO, ALL RIGHTY.
MM-HMM,
FIRST, UH, A QUESTION FOR, FOR STAFF, UM, PERHAPS THE CITY ATTORNEY, IF HE'S ABLE TO ASSIST WITH THIS, CAN THE ORDINANCE REFLECT, UH, SO RIGHT NOW THE ORDINANCE SPECIFICALLY SAYS, YOU KNOW, UH, THAT, THAT THE LIVE WORK AREA WILL BE FOR GENERAL OFFICE USAGE.
CAN THE ORDINANCE REFLECT, UH, NON USES, NON USES? EXCUSE ME.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, CONVENIENCE STORES IS A GENERAL OFFICE USE.
CAN THE ORDINANCE SPECIFICALLY SAY EXCEPT FOR EXCLUDING, UH, CONVENIENCE STORES
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OR, UH, SEXUAL ORIENTED BUSINESSES OR WHAT HAVE YOU? EITHER ONE OF YOU CAN JUMP IN,WELL, I, I WAS JUST GONNA ADD, UM, MR. CHAIRMAN THAT, YEAH, THOSE TYPES OF USES ARE AT LEAST EXAMPLES GIVEN SUCH AS CONVENIENCE STORE, UM, SEXUALLY ORIENTED BUSINESSES, UM, THOSE ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT LAND USE CLASSIFICATIONS.
THOSE COULD IN NO WAY BE CLASSIFIED UNDER A GENERAL OFFICE LAND USE PER THE GDC.
THOSE ARE ALL DEFINED LAND USES AND HAVE THEIR OWN PLACES PER THE LAND USE MATRIX WHERE THEY CAN AND CANNOT GO.
I CONCUR WITH THAT ANSWER,
UH, WILL, DOES THAT INCLUDE HOTEL MOTEL LIMITED SERVICE? PERHAPS THE, THE, THE MATRIX THAT I'M LOOKING AT HERE IS THE WRONG, THE WRONG ONE.
UM, WELL, I, I THINK TO PERHAPS PROVIDE A LITTLE MORE CLARIFICATION, I THINK RETAIL PROBABLY WHAT MR. FISHER IS PROPOSING AND WHAT WE PUT IN THE PD CONDITIONS IS THE, THE SPECIFIC RETAIL STORE USE AND PERSONAL SERVICES USED AND, UM, GENERAL OFFICE USE, NOT THE BROAD, YOU MAY BE LOOKING AT THE BROAD CATEGORY OF USES IN A LAND USE MATRIX, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE SPECIFIC, THOSE THREE USES, I THINK THAT THAT WAS THE INTENT THERE AND HOW WE'VE CRAFTED THE PD CONDITIONS.
SO, WE'LL, WE'LL DOUBLE CHECK THE LANGUAGE AND THE CONDITIONS, BUT, OKAY.
SO, SO IN OTHER WORDS, NO HOTEL THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD NOT BE INCLUDED IN WHAT WE CALL RETAIL OFFICE AND, UM, UM, PERSONAL SERVICES.
THOSE ARE DIFFERENTLY LAND USES.
YEAH, MAYBE YOU COULD JUST, UH, REVIEW THE ALLOWED RETAIL USES, AND IF STAFF THINKS OF ANY, THAT SHOULD BE STRUCK, PUT THOSE IN BEFORE IT GETS TO COUNCIL.
UH, NEXT QUESTION IS FOR MR. FISHER.
YOU ALWAYS BRING, UH, UH, QUALITY DEVELOPMENT, UH, TO THE CITY, AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME BEING HERE.
DOES THE DEVELOPER HAVE ANY INTENT TO, UM, TO PUSH FORWARD TO, UH, ENCOURAGE THAT THOSE SPACES GET FILLED? OR, UH, IS THERE A PROCESS IN PLACE BY WHICH INDIVIDUALS CAN JUST KIND OF, I MEAN, IT IS JUST FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE.
WHAT DOES THE VISION THERE? YEAH, I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA MAKE, WE'RE GONNA BE INTENTIONAL ABOUT NOT JUST LETTING SOMEONE WHO JUST DOESN'T HAVE A BUSINESS.
WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA ACTUALLY FOCUS ON TRYING TO GET SOMEONE IN THERE THAT ACTUALLY HAS A BUSINESS.
SO WE'RE GONNA ACTUALLY LEASE IT THAT WAY.
UM, JUST FROM A PURE, I MEAN, MONETARY STANDPOINT, YOU KNOW, THOSE UNITS WILL PROBABLY DRIVE A LITTLE MORE, BE A LITTLE MORE EXPENSIVE BECAUSE OF THEIR ADAPTABILITY, AND THEY, THEY CAN HOUSE A BUSINESS.
SO WE DEFINITELY WANT TO MAXIMIZE AND, AND, YOU KNOW, HAVE THOSE AS LIVE WORK.
UM, AND WE'RE GONNA DO WHAT WE CAN.
FROM AN ADVERTISING STANDPOINT, WE'VE BEEN, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT, MAKING SURE THAT GETS DONE.
AND LIKE, AS MENTIONED, UH, AS MS. PARIS MENTIONED IN THAT, IN, IN THE DFW AREA, IT'S, IT'S BEEN WELL RECEIVED AND SUCCESSFUL IN A LOT OF AREAS.
I'VE SEEN SOME, UH, DEVELOPMENTS IN THE CEDAR HILL, CEDAR HILL AREA, EXCUSE ME, WHERE, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE IT HAS DONE, UH, WONDERS, UH, BOTH, UH, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF THE ENHANCING THE COMMUNITY AND ALSO THEN FOR THE GENERATION YEP.
UH, OF, OF RESIDENTIAL SPACES BEHIND IT.
SO THAT IT, IT ALL LOOKS GREAT.
UM, I GUESS THE LAST QUESTION I HAVE, DO, DO YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS OR DOES, DOES THE PROPERTY OWNER AT THIS POINT HAVE ANY CONCERN ABOUT AFTER HOURS OPERATION BY SOME OF THESE SERVICES? SO LET'S SAY THEY'RE, THEY'RE WORKING, YOU KNOW, PARKING IS CONCERNED AND ET CETERA.
SO IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'VE GOT THE QUESTION.
SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT GONNA RENT TO SOMEONE WHO'S GONNA BE GENERATING, YOU KNOW, CUSTOMERS LATE AT NIGHT.
UM, I MEAN, THAT'LL BE PART OF THE LEASE AGREEMENT.
WE WILL NEED TO KNOW THE NATURE OF THEIR BUSINESS.
WE'VE ALSO PROGRAMMED IN A LITTLE BIT EXTRA SUPPLY THAN WHAT WE ACTUALLY NEED PARKING WISE.
WE HAVE PROBABLY 25 EXTRA PARKING SPACES THAT WILL WON'T GET USED, UM, BECAUSE WE JUST, WE KNOW WHAT OUR DEMAND NUMBER IS VERSUS OUR SUPPLY.
SO THERE'S A PARKING REQUIREMENT, BUT THEN THERE'S ALSO WHAT WE ACTUALLY NEED, SO WE FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT WE'RE WE'RE SUPPLYING HERE.
UM, IT WOULD COVER ANY, OUR PEAK HOUR.
OUR PEAK HOUR IS GONNA BE LATE AT NIGHT.
REALLY, THE TRUE PEAK HOUR IS ABOUT 2:00 AM BUT YOU KNOW, MOST PEOPLE GET HOME IN THE EVENING.
UM, WE THINK IT'S A VERY COMPLIMENTARY, COMPLIMENTARY USE.
UM, UH, YOU KNOW, EARLY EVENING, AND IT WON'T BE VERY MANY GUESTS.
UM, I'M SORRY, CUSTOMERS OF, OF THE LIVE WORK.
UM, I WOULD SAY MOST WOULD BE DURING THE DAY.
SO WE'RE TALKING A COUPLE PARKING SPACES NEEDED PROBABLY AT NIGHT.
UM, MAYBE, MAYBE A HANDFUL AT MOST.
UM, ONE QUICK QUESTION THAT JUST DAWNED ON ME, AND SORRY IF IT SURPRISES YOU TWO, WHAT ABOUT SIGNAGE FOR THESE INDIVIDUAL PLACES? HAVE Y'ALL GIVEN ANY THOUGHT? WE TALKED ABOUT THAT.
WE, WE DIDN'T WANT SIGNAGE, RETAIL SIGNAGE.
WE WANTED TO LEAD, WE WANTED TO HAVE IT LOOK A LITTLE RETAIL, BUT SINCE IT'S NOT TRUE RETAIL, WE DIDN'T WANT TO TAKE AWAY DETRACT FROM THE RESIDENTIAL QUALITY, THE, THE RESIDENTIAL DESIGN.
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DIDN'T WANT BUILDING SIGNAGE ON THERE.WE WANTED TO DO DIRECTLY JUST INTERNET BASED.
UM, I, I THINK MR. S DOING SOME QUICK CHECKING ON WHAT KIND OF SIGNAGE IS ALLOWED IN MULTIFAMILY, AND IF WE WOULD'VE, YEAH, WE WOULD'VE HAD TO ASK FOR SPECIAL SIGNAGE POTENTIAL, OR WOULD HAVE YEAH.
BUT WE'RE, WE'RE LIMITED TO BASICALLY MONUMENT SIGN AT THE ENTRANCE AND MAYBE A BLADE SIGN OR SOMETHING ON THE BUILDING, BUT IT'S FAR ENOUGH BACK.
WE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE WOULD WANT SOMETHING ON FIVE 30, BUT MAYBE NOT.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING MAY NEED TO BE HAMMERED OUT BEFORE IT GETS TO COUNCIL.
AND, UH, WE PLAN ON COMPLYING WITH THE CODE.
SO, AND LIKE COMMISSIONER JENKINS SAID, WE CAN TELL WHEN YOU'VE HAD YOUR HAND IN THESE APPLICATIONS, THEY SEEM TO ADDRESS OUR CONCERNS EVEN BEFORE WE HAVE 'EM.
UH, I HAVE NO OTHER SPEAKER, OTHER CITIES DON'T THINK SO, BUT
I HAVE NO OTHER SPEAKER CARDS IN THIS CASE.
ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO ADDRESS THIS CASE? COMMISSIONERS.
I MOVE, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, OPEN FOR DISCUSSION AS NEEDED.
SECOND MOTION BY COMMISSIONER PARIS, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JENKINS TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
EVERYBODY'S QUEUING IN AT ONCE.
I DO, UH, I DID WANT TO MAKE A, UM, I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THE WORDING IS CORRECT TO INCLUDE THEIR REVISION OR ADDENDUM AROUND THE FOUR TO FIVE LEADWAY.
SO, UM, THINKING THROUGH HOW TO DESCRIBE THAT AND THEN, UH, IF THERE NEEDS TO BE ANY MORE PRESCRIPTIVE WORDING AROUND, UM, THE RETAIL USE.
I BELIEVE I UNDERSTOOD, UH, MR. GARRY, YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY WRITTEN IS FINE.
SO I JUST WANT TO HAVE THOSE TWO THINGS THAT I WANNA MAKE SURE BEFORE I DO THE ACTUAL MAKE THE MOTION.
SO WE'RE THE, THE RETAIL MOTION, THE RETAIL CONTENT READS WELL TO PROVIDE THE SPECIFIC USE FOR THIS LAND USE, I BELIEVE.
THE, UM, THE PD CONDITIONS ARE CRAFT IN A WAY WHERE IT LIMITS, LIMITS IT STRICTLY TO RETAIL USE, PERSONAL SERVICES, USE AND OFFICE USE.
SO IT'S JUST THE FOUR TO FIVE.
UM, AND SO I, AND, AND THEN JUST CORRECT ME IF I NEED, IF IT NEEDS TO BE ANY CORRECTION.
SO I MOVED TO APPROVE ZONING THREE AND THREE B, UH, WITH THE, A SLIGHT REVISION TO INCLUDE UP TO FIVE LIVE WORK SPACES.
I'M LOOKING DOWN AT, YEAH, MR. ROTTEN OVER THERE.
UH, MOTION BY COMMISSIONER PARIS AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JENKINS TO APPROVE ITEM THREE B, THE APPLICATION OF ROYALTY INVESTMENTS WITH THE PROVISION THAT, UH, UP TO FIVE LIVE WORK UNITS COULD BE PUT IN.
UH, LET ME ASK A LITTLE DISCUSSION OF, UH, OF MR. GARRIN ON THIS MEANS UP TO FIVE.
SO THEY COULD, IN ESSENCE PUT ZERO IN YES, SIR.
THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY CONCERN.
UM, THE, THE PD CONDITIONS ACTUALLY ARE CURRENTLY DRAFTED TO SAY UP TO FIVE.
UM, EVEN THOUGH THE REPORT, ANOTHER SITE PLAN INDICATE JUST FIVE PERIOD.
UM, BUT PERHAPS WE COULD CRAFT IT IN A WAY TO SAY MINIMUM FOR MAXIMUM FIVE AS ONE SUGGESTION.
UM, IF MR. RODIN AGREES TO THAT, AS YOU SAID, THE, THE PDS ALREADY CRAFTED IN THE, IN THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE MAXIMUM OF FIVE, BUT ZERO IS BELOW FIVE AND DOESN'T GET US WHAT WE ION ON A MINIMUM, A TOTAL OF A MAXIMUM OF FIVE SHALL BE PERMIT PERMITTED TO WHAT THE PHOENIX SAYS COMMISSIONER BIN.
UM, IS, IS IS THERE ANY FUNCTIONAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A RESIDENTIAL UNIT AND A LIVE WORK UNIT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE CODE, UH, BUILDING CODE? UH, THERE, THERE CAN BE.
IN THE ONES I DESIGNED, I HAD TO HAVE A, A SPECIAL RATING BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL PORTION OF THE UNIT AND THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION OF THE UNIT.
I GUESS MY QUE MY CONCERN IS THIS,
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IS THAT HIGHER RATING IS, IS THAT SO MANY OF THESE PLACES THAT I'VE SEEN BUILT OVER THE YEARS WITH THE IDEA THAT WE'RE GONNA DO SOMETHING ON THE DOWNSTAIRS AND IT DOESN'T WORK, AND I WOULD NOT WANT THEM TO HAVE TO COME BACK AND SAY, YOU KNOW, SAY, WELL, IT'S, IT'S A, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA LET PEOPLE BE JUST RE YOU KNOW, JUST RESIDENTIAL IN HERE.IN OTHER WORDS, YOU KNOW, AS, AS, AS, AS THIS GETS CRAFTED, IS THAT FOUR UNITS THAT COULD BE RESIDENTIAL IF THE DEVELOPER DETERMINES OR IF THE, YOU KNOW, ONCE IT'S BUILT, EVEN THE OWNER DETERMINES, I'VE SEEN THIS HAPPEN WITH PLACES THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT AND THE RETAIL ON THE BOTTOM, AND THOSE WEREN'T LIVE WORK, BUT THE RETAIL ON THE BOTTOM NEVER FILLS IN IT TURNS OUT.
'CAUSE IT TURNS OUT THAT MIXED EXCUSE IS NOT REALLY QUITE AS SUCCESSFUL, UH, AS WOULD LIKE TO BELIEVE SOMETIMES THAT THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO COME BACK AND, AND GET PERMISSION TO MAKE THOSE FULLY RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
IN OTHER WORDS, YOU KNOW, ARE, ARE WE HAMSTRINGING ADD ON TO THAT PLEASE.
SO WE HAVE EVERY INTENTION OF, OF HAVING A LIVE WORK COMPONENT, BUT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE SCENARIO, LET'S SAY THE ECONOMY TANKS, AND WE CAN'T FILL THOSE WITH BUSINESS OWNERS FOR, FOR SOME REASON OR FOR SOME SOME REASON.
WE JUST, WE CAN'T MAKE IT HAPPEN.
WE, WE WOULD HATE, WE WOULDN'T WANT IT TO JUST, IT TO REMAIN VACANT BECAUSE WE AT LEAST WANT TO BE ABLE TO BACKFILL WITH RESIDENTIAL ONLY.
UM, AND SO I DON'T KNOW HOW, I THINK HAVING THE, HAVING THE FLEXIBILITY OF HAVING UP TO FOUR OR FIVE IS REALLY WHAT WE WOULD PREFER.
UM, JUST IN THAT UNLIKE, YOU KNOW, IN THAT SCENARIO WHERE WE'D HAVE A CHALLENGE WITH FILLING IT, UH, A RESIDENT THAT DIDN'T HAVE A BUSINESS OR MAYBE THEY ENDED UP LIVING THERE AND WE, WE'D HAVE TO WORK IT OUT.
I MEAN, IF THERE'S DIFFERENT SCENARIOS WHERE MAYBE THEY END UP GETTING A JOB AND THEN NO LONGER THEY HAVE A, THERE'S A, THERE'S A, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF SCENARIOS AND WE'D HAVE TO MOVE THEM OUT AFTER THE LEASE IS OVER POTENTIALLY AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO IF WE COULD HAVE FLEXIBILITY FROM A ZONING STANDPOINT, THAT'D REALLY HELP US.
SO WE'RE NOT COMING BACK HERE AND ASKING FOR RESIDENTIAL ONLY AND ALL THAT IF WE NEEDED TO, BUT WE DON'T HAVE INTENT TO, I, I GUESS IT COMES DOWN TO DOES THE, DOES THE DESIGNATION OF WHETHER YOU CALL 'EM FOUR OR FIVE UNITS, UM, AS LIVE WORK PRECLUDE THEM FROM BEING LIVE ONLY? DO THEY HAVE TO COME BACK? IF SOMEBODY SAYS THIS IS LIVE ONLY, BUT WOULD THEY, ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE, WOULD THEY HAVE AN INCENTIVE TO DO IT? IF THAT EASY OUT IS THERE? SURE.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE HAS AN ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.
NO, ON THE, I MEAN, DID THEY, WOULD THEY HAVE TO COME BACK? A LIVE WORK UNIT IS DEFINED DIFFERENTLY THAN A DWELLING UNIT.
SO YES, IF, IF IT'S CONDITIONED TO HAVE FOUR OR FIVE UNITS, MINIMUM FOUR, MAXIMUM FIVE, UM, THEN YES, IF, IF THAT ALL FELL APART AND IT ALL NEEDS TO BE RESIDENTIAL PER THE DEVELOPER'S REQUEST, THEY WOULD NEED TO COME BACK.
IN THAT CASE, THEY GET THE JOY OF SEEING US AGAIN.
COMMISSIONER, UH, COMMISSIONER PARIS AND COMMISSIONER SMITH? OR DO YOU WANNA HEAR FROM COMMISSIONER SMITH FIRST? WELL, I WAS JUST GOING TO THANK BEGIN.
I WAS GOING TO JUST, UH, CLARIFY.
IS IT WITH THIS BEING A MIXED USE BUSINESS CENTER BECAUSE OF THE LIVE WORK? THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S HOW THIS BECOMES THAT TYPE OF, UM, OF ZONING REQUESTS.
SO IF THERE ISN'T, SO MY THOUGHT IS THERE SHOULD BE MINIMUM ONE UP TO FIVE BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE, UM, THE WORK COMPONENT TO IT, THEN THE MIXED USE IS, IS NOT THERE.
SO THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK.
SO AS I'M THINKING THROUGH IT, IT COULD BE MINIMUM ONE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT TO KEEP THE MIXED USE AND THEN UP TO FIVE.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
PARDON ME? WE JUST SAID THAT BACK THERE.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE WERE THINKING.
YOU, YOU SURE YOU'RE NOT AN ATTORNEY
COMMISSIONER SMITH AND COMMISSIONER DALTON.
YEAH, I'M IN, I'M IN SUPPORT OF THE ONE TO FIVE.
UH, THE OTHER WILD CARD HERE IS WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT FRONTAGE ROAD IS GONNA LOOK LIKE WHEN TEXT OUT IS THROUGH MESSING AROUND WITH IT IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS.
UH, BUT IT, IT, IT COULD MAKE IT EASIER.
BUT I, BUT I LIKE THE ONE TO FIVE IDEA.
LET, LET'S AT LEAST FORCE THEM TO, TO GO THROUGH WITH, WITH THE PLAN AS THEY'VE PRESENTED IT TODAY.
BELIEVE 'EM THE FLEXIBILITY TO, TO BACK OUT OF THAT IF THEY HAVE TO 10, 15 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.
SO, YEAH, IT, UM, UH, I I LIKE WHERE THE MOTION IS.
I AGREE THAT, UH, THE PROPERTY IN A ONE LIVE WORK ENVIRONMENT WOULD BE ONE APARTMENT AND ONE WORK AREA, ALL ONE BIG FLOOR.
THAT WOULD BE AN AWFUL LOT OF LIVING SPACE
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IF YOU'VE GOT ONE WORKSPACE UP FRONT.'CAUSE IT IS A WORK LIVE PAIR, SO IF YOU HAVE ONE, IT'S GONNA BE ONE L AND ONE WORK.
I DON'T THINK THAT THEY'RE GONNA, I, I, I CAN'T IMAGINE THEM DOING THAT WITH THIS PROPERTY.
SO THE UP TO FIVE TO ME WORKS WELL, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO TAKE THE WHOLE FIRST FLOOR WITH ONE UNIT, SO THEY COULD JUST HAVE ONE OF THE FIVE.
THEY'RE NOT PAR THEY'RE NOT CONNECTED TOGETHER AS ONE ENTITY IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? MM-HMM,
WELL, THEY DON'T HAVE TO TAKE THE WHOLE FIRST FLOOR AND MAKE IT OWNER.
UH, WELL, WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF IT'S A ONE UNIT WORK, IT'S GONNA BE ONE UNIT APARTMENT, RIGHT? RIGHT.
SO I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE ONE GIANT APARTMENT AND ONE GIANT WORKSPACE.
SO I THINK THE UP TO FIVE PROBABLY WORKS JUST FINE.
I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GONNA LOOK AT ANYTHING BELOW FOUR.
I REALLY DON'T, BUT I'M IN SUPPORT OF THE MOTION HAS MADE.
WELL, LET, LET ME ASK, COMMISSIONER PARIS, SO YOU JUST AMENDED YOUR OWN MOTION.
DOES THE SECOND CONCUR ON THE CHANGE TO THE MOTION? CERTAINLY CONCUR.
IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT, SO THE MOTION NOW STANDS TO APPROVE ITEM TWO B, THE, THE APPLICATION OF REALTY INVESTMENTS WITH THE PROVISION THAT THE LIVE WORK COMPONENT B ONE TO FIVE UNITS THREE B THREE B, YES.
DOES EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND THE MOTION? ALL RIGHT.
[3.c. Consideration of the application of Matt Drahos , requesting approval of 1) a Specific Use Provision for an Automobile Sales, New or Used Use on a property zoned Industrial (IN) District and 2) a Plan for Automobile Sales, New or Used. This property is located at 421 East Walnut Street. (District 2) (File Z 23-42)]
NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA.I'LL GET THIS RIGHT CENTER LATER.
GIMME ANOTHER 18 YEARS CONSIDERATION OF THE APPLICATION OF MATT ROJAS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A SPECIFIC USE PROVISION FOR AN AUTOMOBILE SALES NEW OR USED ON PROPERTY ZONE INDUSTRIAL.
AND TWO, A PLAN FOR AUTOMOBILE SALES.
THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 4 2 1 EAST WALNUT STREET.
HELLO, I'M, UH, MATT DREJOS, UH, ADDRESS 2 4 1 6 QUA CREEK DRIVE, LITTLE ISLAND, TEXAS 7 5 0 6 8.
UH, GUYS, I DON'T HAVE A SLIDESHOW OR WHATNOT, BUT, UM, WE ARE IN THE, UH, PERFORMANCE AUTOMOTIVE INDUSTRY.
WE, UH, BUILD, UH, HIGH PERFORMANCE CARS THAT ARE RACED ON, UH, SANCTIONED TRACKS, DOING IT ABOUT 20 YEARS.
WE BOUGHT THE BUILDING AT, UH, 4 21 WALNUT STREET AND 2019 HAVE EXPANDED.
UH, WE'VE, UH, GAINED, UH, SOME GLOBAL RECOGNITION ON THE, UH, DISCOVERY CHANNEL, AMERICAN STREET OUTLAWS, AND, UH, TRACKED A LOT OF, UH, KIND OF HIGH END PERFORMANCE SPORTS CAR ENTHUSIASTS.
UM, IN AN EFFORT TO EXPAND OUR BUSINESS, WE'D LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BEGIN, UM, SELLING SOME OF THE CARS THAT COME INTO OUR SHOP THAT THE, UH, THE OWNERS HAVE DECIDED NOT TO, UH, CONTINUE ON WITH REPAIRS OR GET INTO DEEP AND WANT TO EXIT THE VEHICLE, OR, UM, THERE'S LOTS OF SCENARIOS WHERE VEHICLES, IT'S KIND OF A NICHE MARKET THAT, UH, WE COME INTO POSSESSION OF THESE VEHICLES AND WOULD LIKE TO LEGALLY BE ABLE TO RESELL THESE VEHICLES.
UM, I KNOW THERE'S A BIG, UM, KIND OF STIGMA WITH USED CAR.
AND, UH, WE DO NOT WANT TO BE A USED CAR DEALERSHIP WHATSOEVER.
WE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SELL THE CARS THAT WE ARE ALREADY IN POSSESSION OF TO THE PUBLIC.
UH, WE HAVE NO INTENTION OF PARKING CARS ON THE STREET OR ADVERTISING TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
IT'S A VERY NICHE, UH, SPORTS CAR, UH, ENTHUSIAST, HIGH-END SPORTS CAR, SIX FIGURES PLUS SPORTS CARS THAT'D BE MARKETED, UH, SOLELY THROUGH DIGITAL MARKETING STRATEGIES AND, UH, PERFORMANCE CAR, UH, PLATFORMS. UM, IF IT WASN'T FOR THE DMV'S REQUIREMENT, THERE WOULD BE NO SIGN SAYING WE DID THIS.
UH, WE HAVE NO INTENTION OF ADVERTISING THESE CARS IN FRONT OF THE VEHICLE OR FRONT OF THE FACILITY WHATSOEVER.
WE'D, UH, PROPOSE AN INDOOR SHOWROOM FOR THE VEHICLES.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A HANDFUL OF CARS, UH, AT THE MOST, AT ANY GIVEN TIME.
UH, WE JUST WANNA BE BY THE BOOK AND HAVE, UH, CITY OF GARLAND'S APPROVAL AS WELL AS THE DMVS TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS LEGALLY.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT OUR REQUEST IS TO, UH, I GUESS A SPECIAL USE PROVISION TO, UH, ALLOW US WITHIN OUR ZONE TO, UH, TO, TO BE ABLE TO SELL VEHICLES.
I'LL PAUSE THERE AND SEE WHAT QUESTIONS THERE ARE.
ANY, ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER AROSE.
SIR, HOW LONG HAVE YOU, YOUR BUSINESS BEEN IN THIS PARTICULAR FACILITY? FOUR YEARS? DO YOU, DO YOU OWN IT OR YOU'RE JUST RENTING IT? OWN IT.
HOW LONG DO YOU SEE YOUR BUSINESS STAYING THERE? AND DEFINITELY WE HAVE NO PLANS.
WE ARE SIGNIFICANTLY INVESTED IN THAT BUILDING AND, UM, HAVE QUITE THE MOMENTUM AND, UM,
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WE DON'T FORESEE OURSELVES LEAVING.WE REQUESTED THESE, UH, SUP FOR A PERIOD OF THREE YEARS TO PROVE THAT WE'RE GONNA DO WHAT WE SAY, AND WE HAVE NO INTENTION OF TURNING THIS INTO A USED CAR DEALERSHIP.
WE DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE USED CAR BUSINESS.
WE'RE IN THE SPORTS CAR OR HIGH-END PERFORMANCE BUSINESS, BUT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE WHEN THOSE CARS ARE SOLD.
UM, AND, UH, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION DIRECTLY, WE HAVE NO INTENTION OF LEAVING THAT FACILITY OR SELLING ANYTIME SOON.
WELL, THAT, THAT WOULD BE MY CONCERN.
IF THIS WERE ULTIMATELY APPROVED BY COUNSEL AND YOU DECIDED TO SELL, THEN WHO KNOWS WHAT IT MIGHT BECOME? YES, SIR.
AND THAT WAS ONE REASON WHY WE PUT THE THREE YEAR REQUEST INTO THE, UH, THE, THE, UM, THE REQUEST SO THAT WE WOULD BE LIMITED AND HAVE TO COME BACK AND PROVE THAT WE WERE DOING WHAT WE SAID WE'D DO.
AND, UH, THAT WAY IF THERE WASN'T, UH, HEAVEN FORBID, A NEW OWNERSHIP THAT WOULD BE IN A DEFINITE PERIOD OF TIME, THEY'D BE ABLE TO SELL CARS.
COMMISSIONER ABEL, WHAT ARE YOUR CURRENT DISPOSITION POLICIES WITH VEHICLES IN THIS CASE? WE DON'T SELL VEHICLES RIGHT NOW.
UH, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE, WE FOCUS OUR QUESTIONS ON THE LANE USE ITSELF AND NOT WHO THE OWNER WILL BE OR WHAT THEIR CURRENT DISPOSITION OF VEHICLES ARE AT THIS TIME.
SO I I, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU INSTRUCT THE WITNESS NOT TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
COMMISSIONER, THANK YOU FOR COMING DOWN.
HAVE YOU SEEN OR HEARD THE COMMENTS FROM YOUR NEIGHBORS? I HAVE READ THROUGH EACH ONE.
I KNOW ONE WAS FROM A DIRECT NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR, AND I'VE TALKED TO MY BUSINESS PARTNERS ON THAT WE'RE, WE'RE NOT SURE WHERE THERE, UH, THERE THERE WAS SOME CONCERNS WITH PARKING IN THEIR SPOTS.
BUT, UM, FROM TALKING TO MY BUSINESS PARTNERS, THEY THOUGHT IT WAS THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
BUT FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, UH, THAT RELATIONSHIP SOLID AND THE OTHERS WERE RESIDENTS THAT WERE CONCERNED THAT IT WOULD BE A USED CAR DEALERSHIP AND WOULD, UH, UH, LOWER THE VALUES IN THE AREA AS WELL AS, UH, BE, UH, A TRAFFIC BURDENS WITH, UM, I GUESS THE ASSUMPTION THAT THERE WOULD BE USED CARS IN THAT LOT, UH, WHICH THERE WOULD NOT BE.
ONE THING I'VE MENTIONED IS EVERY VEHICLE THAT WE HAVE EVEN NOW AND WOULD CONTINUE TO BE THE CASE IS EVERY CAR'S MOVED IN AT THE END OF THE DAY.
WE'RE ONLY OPEN MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY.
THERE'S NO VEHICLES ON OUR LOT RIGHT NOW, OR WOULD THERE BE IN THE FUTURE, UH, THAT WOULD, UH, INCREASE ANY ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC OR USE OF PARKING.
UM, SO I, I THOUGHT THAT WOULD, UH, HELP THOSE CONCERNED CITIZENS IF THEY KNEW WHAT THE ACTUAL USE WAS GONNA BE THAT WE WERE PROPOSING.
'CAUSE ONE OF THE COMMENTS WAS, UH, CAR CARRIERS BLOCKING DRIVEWAYS ADJACENT TO YOUR PROPERTY AND THINGS OF THIS NATURE.
NOW YOUR PROPERTY, I BELIEVE, ACTUALLY FACES RIGHT DIRECTLY ON THE WALNUT.
SO YOU WOULD HAVE, UH, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BLOCK WALNUT LOADING AND UNLOADING A VEHICLE, SO YOU'RE KIND OF LIMITED TO THE SIDE.
THE THE VEHICLES THAT DO COME TO YOU, DO THEY COME VIA CARRIERS NORMALLY, OR MOST OF THEM ARE NOT STREET LEGAL CARS.
SO THEY'RE GONNA COME ON SOME KIND OF OTHER TRANSPORTATION.
AND THOSE ARE OFFLOADED IN OUR PARKING LOT, NOT ON WALNUT STREET OR WALNUT CIRCLE.
WELL, I NOTICED YOU HAVE A FAIRLY LARGE PARKING AREA ON THAT BUILDING.
WHICH, IF YOU WERE REPAIRING CARS, YOU COULD STORE AN AWFUL LOT OF UNREPAIRED CARS ON THAT LOT IF YOU REALLY WANTED TO.
THERE'S A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF PARKING, IN MY OPINION.
UM, JUST FOR POINT OF CLARIFI CLARIFICATION, UM, THE VEHICLES THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SELLING, THESE ARE GENERALLY VEHICLES THAT COME TO YOU FROM ENTHUSIAST, WHATEVER, FOR REPAIR, FOR MODIFICATION, FOR WHATEVER, AND THEN IF FOR WHATEVER REASON THEY'RE LIKE, NEVERMIND, I WANNA SELL IT.
RIGHT, THAT'S GENERALLY WHAT YOU'RE RUNNING TO NOW, THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING.
A VEHICLE COMES IN FOR A REPAIR, IT TURNS OUT IT'S GOT A BAD MOTOR, A VERY EXPENSIVE REPAIR CLIENT WANTS OUT, THEY'VE HAD ENOUGH, THEY WANT TO EXIT.
THERE'S NOT A LARGE MARKET FOR THESE NICHE CARS, US BEING IN THAT SPACE OR A GREAT OPTION FOR THEM BECAUSE WE'RE NETWORKING WITH OTHER SPORTS CAR ENTHUSIASTS IN THAT SPACE.
AND THOSE ARE THE VEHICLES THAT WE'D LIKE TO SELL.
WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO GO OUT AND ACQUIRE CARS TO BRING INTO OUR SPOT AND, UH, AND RESELL THOSE.
IT'S, IT'S NOT OUR CORE, CORE BUSINESS.
OUR, OUR BUSINESS IS BUILDING PERFORMANCE CARS FOR, FOR TRACK USE AND NOT USE CAR SALES.
AND AS WITH A LOT OF, I GUESS I'D CALL 'EM, I DUNNO IF I CALL 'EM A HOBBYIST THINGS OR NOT, BUT IT'S, ONCE YOU GET FOLKS WHO ARE IN THE HOBBY, YOU BECOME KIND OF A NEXUS FOR, FOR THOSE FOLKS TO SAY, HEY, I'M LOOKING FOR A CAR, OR I'M LOOKING FOR THIS, OR YOU'VE GOT THAT, OR I HAVE THIS AND YOU FIX THIS, BUT
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I WANT SOMETHING DIFFERENT KIND OF THING.IS THAT GENERALLY HOW THIS GOES? THAT'S KIND OF WHAT BROUGHT ON THIS REQUEST.
WE'VE JUST FOUND OURSELF IN POSSESSION OF CARS THAT THE, THE, THE OWNER'S LOOKING TO EXIT THE VEHICLE AND WE HAPPEN TO KNOW A GUY THAT'S KIND OF LOOKING FOR THAT TYPE OF PROJECT AND INSTEAD OF CONNECTING THOSE TWO, WE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT, THAT TRANSACTION AND PROFIT FROM IT.
AND, AND I GUESS, AND THE POINT THAT I'M GETTING TO, WHICH IS PROBABLY NOT OBVIOUS IS, UH, IS, IS IS THAT TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE WITHOUT SELLING VEHICLES, YOU HAVE CARS BEING DROPPED OFF, YOU BUY CARRIERS AND OTHER THINGS.
THIS IS, IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S LIKELY TO MATERIALLY INCREASE THE NUMBER OF CARS THAT THE VOLUME OF RIGHT.
PE PEOPLE, EITHER PEOPLE EITHER COME INTO THE FACILITY DROPPING OFF CARS AT THE FACILITY, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, YOUR HUNDRED PERCENT CORRECT.
I DON'T FORESEE ANY IN ADDITIONAL ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC OR INFLUX OF VEHICLES COMING INTO OUR LOT BECAUSE OF THIS.
IT'S NOT EVEN SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO, TO MARKET OR ADVERTISE AS SOMETHING WE DO.
IT JUST WOULD BE A, A BOLT-ON BUSINESS THAT WE HAVE.
SO WHEN PEOPLE COME, RIGHT, WHEN PEOPLE TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE TRANSACTION, Y'ALL CAN PARTICIPATE IN IT AS OPPOSED TO WE CAN'T, WE CAN BROKER THE TRANSACTION, MAKE A COMMISSION AND BE A HUNDRED PERCENT LEGAL BY BEING PERMITTED, LICENSED THROUGH BOTH THE CITY WITH THROUGH ZONING AND THROUGH THE DMV WITH HAVING THE PROPER VEHICLE RESELL LICENSE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? UM, I, YOU KNOW, YOU PROBABLY HEARD ME AT THE PRE-MEETING THAT I'M NOT INCLINED TO BRING AUTOMOBILE SALES HERE, BUT THIS IS SUCH A NICHE VERSION OF IT AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN CRAFT IT TO THAT NICHE VERSION OTHER THAN I HAVE RECORD IN THE RECORD THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS ISN'T AN, THIS VERSION AND I WOULD, YOU KNOW, AND THEN THE RECORD SHOW THAT I WOULD ONLY RECOMMEND THREE YEARS AT A TIME RENEWALS.
NOW WE PROBABLY CAN'T WRITE THAT INTO IT, BUT, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN WRITE 'EM INTO THE SUP ONLY LAST FURTHER THREE YEARS.
BUT, UH, AND YOU'D INDICATED THAT YOU WOULD MOST LIKELY STORM INDOOR.
THAT WOULD BE PROBABLY ANOTHER CONDITION THAT ALL PARTS FOR SALE BE STORED INDOORS.
INDOOR SHOWROOM IS, AND THAT WOULD MAKE IT LESS OF AN OUTDOOR TYPICAL SALE.
I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN CRAFT IT AND PROTECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE LIKE THE IDEA OF INDOOR SHOWROOM.
THESE CARS ARE NOT, WE'RE NOT GONNA ATTRACT A BUYER FOR THESE CARS BY PARKING THEM ON WALNUT LANES.
THESE ARE NOT THOSE TYPES OF CARS AND INDOOR SHOWROOM'S GONNA PROTECT THEM.
WE DON'T HAVE TO KEEP WASHING THEM.
AND, UM, THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE OUR PREFERRED METHOD WITHOUT YOUR REQUEST.
THAT'S AN ACCEPTABLE CONDITION THEN.
WELL, THANK YOU, YOU VERY MUCH.
OH, OH, WE GOT MORE QUESTIONS HERE.
UH, COMMISSIONER ABEL FOLLOWED BY COMMISSIONER JENKINS.
SO IN, IN LISTENING TO THIS, AND I, I WILL ADMIT THAT I WAS A LITTLE ON THE FENCE IN THE BEGINNING.
UH, I CAN SAY THAT DRIVING THIS AREA A LOT, UM, AFTER SIX OR SEVEN O'CLOCK, YOU CAN'T TELL THAT THEY ARE THERE.
NO, ONCE THEY'RE CLOSED, THEY'RE GONE SAVE FOR THE OCCASIONAL VEHICLE THAT'S DROPPED OFF WRECKED AFTER HOURS, BUT THAT GOES ON AT ANY AUTO, IT GOES ON AT MAKO RIGHT DOWN THE STREET.
SO, UM, THEY DO A GREAT JOB OF KEEPING THE AREA CLEAN AND PRESENTABLE IN THEIR HOURS THAT THEY ARE NOT THERE.
COMMISSIONER JENKINS, AND THEN COMMISSIONER DO THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
UH, SIR, I, I HEARD YOU MENTION SIGNAGE.
UH, YOU'RE REQUIRED BY THE D-M-E-D-M-V, EXCUSE ME, TO HAVE SOME SORT OF SIGNAGE.
CAN YOU TELL US WHAT THAT IS? YES, SIR.
YOU JUST HAVE TO HAVE A, UH, SIGN ON THE EXTERIOR BUILDING, UH, WITH THE NAME OF YOUR AUTO SALE COMPANY THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH YOUR AUTO DEALERSHIP LICENSE.
UM, IT'S JUST A REQUIREMENT WITHIN A DMV, UH, TO, TO, FOR THEM TO ISSUE THAT, UH, AUTO RESALE LICENSE.
UH, WE, WE DON'T REALLY CARE FOR IT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT IN THE, AGAIN, USED CAR BUSINESS OR IN THE AUTO SALES BUSINESS, IN OUR OPINION.
UM, WE ARE, UM, NOT WANTING TO ADVERTISE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC OR HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE THAT SAYS VEHICLES FOR SALE OR BUY HERE, PAY HERE, OR USED CARS OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE.
UM, YOU KNOW, OUR NAME OF OUR BUSINESS, HPP RACING.
AND THEN ANY VEHICLES THAT WOULD BE SOLD UNDER THAT UMBRELLA WOULD BE UNDER VELOCITY AUTO.
UH, WE WOULD HAVE THAT, UH, TO BE DMV COMPLIANT IN THE SMALLEST POSSIBLE FONT THAT THEY ALLOW, WHICH IS SIX INCHES.
UH, AND, AND ON, SHOULD THEY HAVE REQUIREMENTS ON THE, THE SIZE OF THAT, THAT SIGN AS WELL, BUT THE LOCATION THEY MAY NOT HAVE? DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT WHERE THAT SIGN WILL BE? RIGHT BELOW OUR HPP RACING WOULD MAKE THE MOST SENSE TO US JUST TO BE COMPLIANT AND NOT RAISE ANY FLAGS.
AND IT, IT IS A SIX INCH HEIGHT.
IT'S NOT OUR BUILDING'S VERY LONG.
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25,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING, SO IT'S SIX INCH LADDER ON A 25,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING IS NOT VERY NOTICEABLE.UM, THAT WOULD BE RIGHT ABOVE OUR, UH, ENTRY DOOR, WHICH IS AT THE CORNER OF WALNUT CIRCLE AND WALNUT STREET.
IT'S NOT SUPER VISIBLE, WHICH IS KIND OF WHAT WE LIKE.
IF YOU DON'T KNOW WE'RE THERE, YOU PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT KIND OF BUSINESS WE DO.
WE DON'T REALLY NEED TO ADVERTISE.
WE ARE, AGAIN, A NICHE MARKET THAT OUR, OUR CLIENTS KNOW US THROUGH OUR, UH, AFFILIATION WITHIN THIS, UH, COMMUNITY THAT WE WE'RE A PART OF.
AND I, I, I WILL SAY, UH, AND, UH, COMMISSIONER ABLE HAS SAID IT ALREADY, UM, WHEN I DRIVE BY IN THE MORNING ON THE WAY TO THE TRAIN STATION, I SEE, UH, YOUR EMPLOYEES OUT FRONT, UH, CLEANING, MAKING SURE THAT THE AREA IS SPOTLESS.
UH, AND THIS, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, EVERY MORNING.
SO I CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT YOUR, UH, CAPACITY TO MAINTAIN OR MANAGE YOUR, YOUR OPERATION.
MY ONLY CONCERN AT THIS POINT IS WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS APPROPRIATE USE, UH, FOR THE LAND, UH, BEING AN ANCILLARY USE TO YOUR MAIN BUSINESS.
MY QUESTION AT THIS POINT IS WHY NOT JUST HAVE THE CARS, UH, AT A DIFFERENT LOCATION, UH, SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD MAINTAIN AND MANAGE YOURSELF? AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A, A COST SAVING FEATURE HERE, UH, FOR THAT.
BUT AGAIN, MY, MY ONLY CONCERN AT THIS POINT, AND I'M LOOKING TO THE COMMISSIONERS FOR, UH, THEIR EXPERIENCE AND, AND WISDOM, UH, IS WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE USE FOR THIS PARTICULAR AREA.
UH, AS I, I'M CERTAIN THAT YOU WERE AT THE, UH, THE WORK SESSION PORT PORTION OF OUR MEETING TONIGHT.
UH, YOU MAY HAVE HEARD ME SAY, HEY, UH, IN THE INDUSTRIAL STRIP THAT YOU'RE ON, AND IT'S A STRIP, IT'S THE, THERE ARE OTHER, YOU KNOW, AUTO RETAILERS IN THAT AREA.
UM, SO IN PERMITTING YOU TO DO THIS, DO WE OPEN THE FLOODGATES BY ASKING, YOU KNOW, YOUR NEIGHBORS TO COME IN AND WANT TO COMPETE WITH YOU? UH, THE, JUST SOME THINGS THAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THAT I'M THINKING ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT EVERYBODY ABOUT A MIND READER, ESPECIALLY THAT ONE RIGHT THERE.
UM, BUT THAT BEING SAID, UH, UH, THANK YOU.
THIS IS ONE OF THOSE CASES I WAS ON ONE SIDE OF THE FENCE, AND I THINK NOW I'M FIXING TO GO ON THE OTHER SIDE.
HE HAS OFFERED A THREE YEAR SUP AT THE END OF THREE YEAR SUP IF WHAT HE SAYS AND PROMISES HASN'T COME TRUE, WE DON'T HAVE TO RENEW IT.
AND THAT SOLVES THAT ISSUE WHEN IT COMES TO HAVING CAR SALES SOMEWHERE ELSE.
AS, AS COMMISSIONER JENKINS SUGGESTED, THIS ISN'T THE KIND OF CAR THAT I'M GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR AS A SECOND CAR IN MY HOUSEHOLD.
THIS HAS TO BE A CARD THAT IS SOMEONE SPECIFICALLY LOOKING FOR THAT TYPE OF VEHICLE.
THIS IS NOT JUST THE, THE LATEST CHEVROLET OR FORD AVAILABLE FOR THE GRANDKIDS.
UM, I'M INCLINED TO APPROVE THIS BECAUSE OF THE FACT HE'S OFFERING A THREE YEAR SUP AND THE DESCRIPTION OF WHAT HE'S DOING IS FAR, FAR, DRASTICALLY DIFFERENT FROM USED CAR SALES AS WE NORMALLY UNDERSTAND IT.
COMMISSIONER PARIS, AND THEN COMMISSIONER JENKINS.
THANK YOU AGAIN FOR ADDRESSING A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE.
UM, I TOO HAD A DIFFERENT, UH, PERSPECTIVE IN TERMS OF, UM, THE DIRECTION I WAS GOING TO GO.
I WAS LOOKING AT THE LAND USE MA JUST REVISITING THE LAND USE MATRIX, UH, FOR ARTICLE FIVE.
UH, CHAPTER TWO, JUST TO JUST BE SURE.
UM, I WAS COMFORTABLE WITH, UH, WHERE I'M LEANING.
I LIKE THE FACT THAT IT IS GOING TO BE, UH, BECAUSE THERE ARE NICHE VEHICLES, UM, AND YOU HAVE A BIT OF A NICHE SITUATION IN TERMS OF, UH, THE ABILITY TO HAVE THEM SHOWCASE, BUT IT'S INDOOR.
IT DOESN'T GIVE A FAC, IT DOESN'T GIVE THE APPEARANCE THAT YOU ARE AS, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO SELL.
UM, IS, IS YOUR MAJOR BUSINESS, RIGHT? YOU'RE STILL, UM, UH, IN THE REPAIR, UH, BUSINESS.
SO, UM, THANK YOU FOR SHARING THAT.
THAT'S A, A DIRECTION THAT YOU WOULD BE PREFERRING TO DO WAS TO SHOWCASE AND OR, UM, AND THAT HELPS ME A LITTLE BIT BETTER ON, UM, THE DIRECTION THAT I MAY BE GOING HERE NEXT.
BUT I WANTED TO, UH, ALSO, ALSO BE SURE I UNDERSTOOD, UH, COMMISSIONER JENKINS, UH, QUESTION OF, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT LETTING THE FLOOD GATES OPEN, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE MANY NICHE, UH, NICHE TYPE VEHICLES IN THE AREA THAT SUITS THE SAME SIMILAR THING.
SO, UM, JUST WANTED TO SHARE WHERE MY THOUGHTS ARE AND WHERE I WAS LEANING AS YOU ASKED THE, THE FEEDBACK FROM THE, THE, UH, PLAN COMMISSION.
AND, AND SO YOU, YOU ARE CORRECT.
UH, IF YOU CAME IN AND WANTED OIL CHANGE OR SPARK PLUGS OR SOME TYPE OF REPAIR ON WHATEVER VEHICLE YOU MAY OWN, I CAN PRETTY MUCH GUARANTEE YOU WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO REFER YOU TO SOMEONE ELSE.
WE JUST DO NOT EVEN WORK ON YOUR
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TYPICAL CAR.AND THE SAME THING IS TRUE FOR THE, THE SALES OF THESE VEHICLE.
THESE ARE TWO, $300,000 RACE CARS THAT ARE ONLY BUILT TO GO IN A STRAIGHT LINE ON A SANCTIONED TRACK.
IT'S JUST A VERY NICHE MARKET THAT, UM, I DON'T THINK OTHER PEOPLE ON THAT STRIP WOULD WANT TO COMPETE WITH US, BECAUSE QUITE FRANKLY, THERE IS JUST NO COMPETITION FOR THIS TYPE OF, THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH BUSINESS FOR IT TO BE COMPETITIVE, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
THERE'S JUST NOT THAT MANY OF THESE CARS THAT ARE BOUGHT AND SOLD ON THE MARKET.
SO IT WOULD BE, UH, EXTREMELY LOW PROFILE AND VERY SMALL VOLUME.
NOW, THE COST PER SALE WOULD BE PRETTY GOOD FOR US, BUT THE AMOUNT OF VEHICLES WE WOULD BE HOPEFULLY INVOLVED IN TRANSACTING WOULD BE VERY LOW.
I JUST WANNA BE SURE LAND USE IS THE APPROPRIATE.
YOU'RE WORKING ON MY, MY OUT THEN, UNLESS GOT A, I THINK YOU JUST LOST TWO COMMISSIONERS.
UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION, BUT BEFORE I DO, I'D LIKE TO RESPOND TO COMMISSIONER DALTON AND COMMISSIONER PARIS, IF POSSIBLE.
UH, COMMISSIONER DALTON, I, I DO UNDERSTAND, AND OR MR. CHAIRMAN TALKING TO THE CHAIRMAN, MR. CHAIRMAN, I APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT'S, UM, WILLINGNESS TO BE FLEXIBLE IN THE SUBMISSION OF THE VERY LIMITED TIME PERIOD OF THREE YEARS.
MY HESITATION IS A LOT CAN CHANGE IN THREE YEARS AND, UH, INCLUDING MARKET, MARKET CONDITIONS.
SO WHILE THERE ARE INDIVIDUALS AT THIS POINT THAT MAY NOW BE ABLE TO AFFORD THESE HIGH-END VEHICLES, IF THE APPLICANT WOULD NEED TO CHANGE THEIR BUSINESS MODEL IN SOME WAY, HE'S OPEN AT THAT POINT TO SELL.
AND I MEAN, NO OFFENSE WHEN I SAY THIS USED CARS, UM, THAT THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY CONCERN THAT I'VE GOT.
NOW, ALL OF THAT BEING SAID, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THIS APPLICATION, UM, INCONSISTENT OF COURSE, WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND BASED UPON THE TESTIMONY OF THE APPLICANT AND THE CONVERSATION THAT WE'VE HAD HERE TODAY.
SECOND, WOULD THAT INCLUDE HIS, UH, CONSENT TO HAVING INDOOR ONLY IN, UH, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
AND I HOPE THE SECOND CONCURS YES, THE, THE, UH, THE, UH, SALE OF THE AUTOMOBILE CONSISTENT TO BE ONLY INDOOR SALES ONLY.
AND, AND WILL YOU, I'M SORRY, MR. CHAIR.
UH, THERE WAS A CONSIDERATION AS WELL THAT THE CARS WOULD BE STORED INSIDE AT NIGHT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S IN THE PD NOW.
UM, BUT IS THE APPLICANT MIND IF IT'S INCLUDED AS WELL? THE, WE HAVE IT NO OTHER WAY WE DO IT ALREADY.
SO IF I THINK I CAN RECAP WHAT I HEARD.
THE MOTION IS TO PROVE THE SUP FOR A PERIOD OF THREE YEARS, AND THE PROVISION THAT THE CARS ARE STORED DAY AND NIGHT INSIDE THE FACILITY.
AND I, I, I THINK WE'RE ALL TALKING THAT WE'RE TAKING A LEAP OF FAITH HERE.
AND COMMISSIONER ROSE, I'VE KNOWN THIS AS AN APPROPRIATE QUESTION, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHY THE STAFF HAS, UH, UH, WANTS TO DENY THIS.
UH, IT, IT WAS IN THEIR REPORT AS TO WHY IT WAS THE LAND USE AND EVERYTHING IS, IS NOT VERY DETAILED.
IT'S LIKE TWO OR THREE SENTENCES LONG.
WELL, WE'RE THE ONES MAKING THE FINAL DECISION, SO LEGALLY, I JUST WAS CURIOUS WHY THEY, OKAY.
THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE, UH,
AND, UM, FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC OUT THERE, THEY MAY WATCH THIS.
YOU'VE SEEN A CASE, ONE CASE OF MULTIPLE CASES WHERE A LOT OF US COME IN THINKING ONE THING ONLY TO HEAR TESTIMONY AND DECIDE, OKAY, WE'LL CHANGE OUR MINDS.
UH, AND MR. GARRIN, THIS BRINGS UP AN IDEA MAYBE FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES COMMITTEE THAT WE'VE ADDED ENOUGH, UH, USES TO THE GDC LATELY.
MAYBE EXOTIC CAR IS A USE WE NEED TO PUT IN THERE AND DEFINE.
AND FOR CASES LIKE THIS, THAT WOULD HELP NARROW THINGS DOWN.
[3.d. Consideration of the application of 708 Studios, LLC/Clara M. Carlisle , requesting approval a Change in Zoning from Neighborhood Office (NO) District to Community Retail (CR) District. This property is located at 2930 Broadway Boulevard. (District 5) (File Z 23-45)]
ITEM 3D, CONSIDERATION OF THE APPLICATION OF 7 0 8 STUDIOS, LLC CLARA M CARLISLE REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE DISTRICT TO COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT.THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 29 30 BROADWAY BOULEVARD.
IS, UH, THE APPLICANT HERE? I DON'T THINK I HAVE A, OKAY.
UH, ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT OR DID YOU WANNA MAKE A PRESENTATION HERE? WELCOME TO COME ON DOWN.
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I SEE NO QUESTIONS.DOESN'T MEAN WE WON'T ASK YOU DOWN THOUGH,
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO ADDRESS THIS CASE? COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER ALMOND THE CHAIR.
I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE IN ACCORDANCE TO THIS TIME FOR RECOMMENDATION.
SECOND, UH, MO MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DALTON.
I HEARD THE FIRST SECOND BY COMMISSIONER PARIS TO, TO APPROVE THE, UH, I MEAN, ALBAN, NOT ALBAN.
I, I, I KNEW I I KNEW I WAS GONNA GET THOSE MIXED UP SOONER OR LATER.
YOU'VE CALLED ME, UH, MAYOR A COUPLE TIMES.
CLEARLY BEING CALLED DALTON IS A MUCH, IT'S MUCH A HIGHER, I APPRECIATE THAT.
IF I HAD TO CHOOSE BETWEEN BEING CALLED ONE OF THOSE I'D, I'D TOTALLY TAKE THAT.
MORE OF A COMPLIMENT THEN, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YES, YOUR HONOR.
THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE ITEM 3D, THE APPLICATION OF 7 0 8 STUDIOS.
EVERYBODY CLEAR IN THE MOTION? AND A SECOND.
[4.a. Consideration to amend Section 6.03, "Definitions," Section 2.52, "Special Standards for Certain Uses," the Land Use Matrix of Chapter 2, and the Downtown (DT) District Land Use Matrix of Chapter 7 of the Garland Development Code to allow for Reception Facility, Small Scale use in certain zoning districts.]
ITEM IN OUR AGENDA IS A MISCELLANEOUS ITEM, CONSIDERATION TO AMEND SECTION 6.03 DEFINITION SECTION 2.52, SPECIAL STANDARDS OF CER, UH, CERTAIN USES THE LAND USE MATRIX OF CHAPTER TWO AND THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT LAND USE MATRIX OF CHAPTER SEVEN OF THE DEVELOPMENT CODE TO ALLOW FOR A RECEPTION FACILITY, SMALL SCALE USE IN CERTAIN ZONING DISTRICTS.I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN THAT ITEM, BUT THE COMMISSION HAS BEEN BRIEFED BY STAFF THE CREATION OF A NEW USE SMALL RECEPTION FACILITIES TO ADD THAT TO THE, UH, GARLAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
COMMISSIONER SMITH, THANK YOU CHAIR.
UM, UH, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM FOUR A.
AS PRESENTED, I DID REACH OUT TO COMMISSIONER, UH, NOT COMMISSIONER CHAIRMAN AND COUNCIL MEMBER HEDRICK, UH, REGARDING CLOSING THAT LOOPHOLE, UH, POTENTIAL.
AND HE'S GONNA LOOK AT IT BEFORE IT COMES BACK TO COUNCIL.
SO I'M NOT GONNA TRY AND FIGURE OUT THAT LANGUAGE FROM THE DAY OF TONIGHT.
SO AGAIN, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE FOUR A AS PRESENTED SECOND.
A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SMITH.
I BELIEVE I HEARD THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ROSE TO APPROVE ITEM FOUR A.
SO YOU NO DISCUSSION, PLEASE VOTE AND PASSAGE UNANIMOUSLY.
THAT WAS THE LAST ITEM, OUR AGENDA.
BUT BEFORE WE ADJOURN, TONIGHT IS LAST NIGHT FOR COMMISSIONER SMITH TO BE WITH US.
HE IS MOVING ON TO OTHER THINGS IN HIS LIFE AND CANNOT BE HERE.
AND LIKE I LIKE TO DO, I WILL PRESENT YOU WITH YOUR NAME, PLAQUE
YOU'RE GETTING COLLECTION MONTHS.
IS THIS THE SAME ONE YOU USED FOR COUNCIL? NO.
OH, WE DON'T WANT, ALL RIGHTY.
I KNOW YOU HAVEN'T BEEN HERE LONG, BUT, UH, WE'VE ENJOYED YOUR STAY AND APPRECIATED YOUR INPUT.
THAT WAS THE TALK TRUE LAST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA.
SO UNTIL OUR MEETING OF JANUARY 8TH, WE ARE ADJOURNED.
BUT THE COMMISSION WANTS EVERYBODY TO HAVE A SAFE, WONDERFUL HOLIDAY, NEW YEAR, CHRISTMAS, HANUKKAH.