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TIF THREE.[Tax Increment Finance #3 Meeting on October 25, 2023.]
I WOULD LIKE TO CALL US TO ORDER.OUR FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES FOR OUR LAST MEETING ON JULY 26TH.
WE WERE ALL PRESENTED WITH THOSE BEFOREHAND.
WAS THAT THE COPY WE WERE GIVEN IN THE EMAIL OR WAS IT THROUGH AN EMAIL TOO? YEAH,
WAS THAT THE CORRECT MINUTES? I, I DON'T THINK IT WAS.
SO, MR. DUCKWORTH WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT US A MOTION.
MR. CHAIRMAN, MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UH, SUSPEND READING THE MINUTES TONIGHT AND LOOK AT 'EM NEXT MEETING.
AGENDA ITEM TWO IS PUBLIC COMMENTS.
PERSONS WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMITTEE IF ANYBODY IS HERE AND WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT.
SO WE WILL CLOSE THAT PORTION.
AGENDA ITEM THREE IS ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL DURATION.
NUMBER ONE IS CONSIDER EXPANDING TIF THREE BOUNDARIES NORTH AND SOUTH ON SHILOH ROAD.
UH, WE WERE PRESENTED WITH THAT LAST TIME, AND I BET THAT HE HAS AN UPDATE FOR US.
IF IT'S OKAY WITH YOU CHAIR AND, UH, THE BOARD, UH, I'VE GOT A PRESENTATION THAT KIND OF GOES OVER I A THROUGH D AND I CAN JUST RUN THROUGH THAT AND THEN WE CAN CIRCLE BACK AROUND AND WE'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
SO FIRST I WANNA START WITH OUR CURRENT BOUNDARIES OF THE MEDICAL DISTRICT.
IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURE THAT KIND OF HAS THE, UH, GIS COMPONENTS WITH, UM, THE BLUE SHADING AND THEN THE RED OUTLINE AROUND IT, THAT IS THE CURRENT BOUNDARIES OF THE MEDICAL DISTRICT, TIFF.
AND, AND JUST WANTED TO REMIND THE BOARD THAT THE WAY THIS TIFF WAS SET UP WAS TO CAPTURE ALL THE NEWLY APPRAISED VALUE ON THAT BIG BLANK SPOT, WHICH IS NOW FILLED WITH HOUSES IN THE RIVER SET COMMUNITY, ROUGHLY 150 MILLION OF NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT CAME IN THERE.
AND THEN IN 2020, THE BOARD APPROVED TO EXPAND THE TIFF TO INCLUDE THAT BLUE SHADED AREA, WHICH IS THE AREA WHERE THE VA HOSPITAL IS IN THE MEDICAL DISTRICT.
AND THE REASON WE DID THAT IS WE KNEW THAT PROPERTY VALUES WERE GONNA BE COMING ONLINE FOR THE RIVER SET COMMUNITY, BUT WITH THE BAYLOR HOSPITAL CLOSING ITS DOORS, WHICH WAS A FOR-PROFIT ENTITY, WE KNEW THAT IT WAS GONNA BECOME TAX EXEMPT ONCE THE VA PURCHASED IT.
SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO HAMPER THE TAX INCREMENT FUND BECAUSE IF YOU HAD A TAXABLE VALUE AND THEN IT DISAPPEARS, OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE GONNA GET A NEGATIVE INCREMENT.
SO THIS WAS A STRATEGY JUST TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE THE INCREMENTS FROM THE RIVER SET AND WE WEREN'T HURTING OURSELVES BY AUTOMATICALLY INCLUDING THE MEDICAL DISTRICT.
BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, THIS IS HOW THE TIFF SITS.
AND THEN I ALSO HAVE A MAP SHOWING, UH, THE TIFF IN RELATION TO THE CITY OF GARLAND.
AND CURRENTLY THIS TIFF IS SET TO EXPIRE IN 2039.
SO MOVING ON TO THE PROPOSED, UH, EXPANSION.
SO I, I'VE PASSED OUT A PRELIMINARY PROJECT PLAN, WHICH IS THE PRIMARY DOCUMENT, BUT THIS, THINK OF THIS AS ALMOST LIKE THE BUDGET FOR OUR TIF.
SO WITHIN THIS, THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE BY STATE LAW, BUT THERE'S ALSO A LISTING OF REVENUE ESTIMATES.
THERE'S A LISTING OF APPRAISED VALUE ESTIMATES, AND THERE'S ALSO A LIST OF PROJECT PROJECTS AND DESCRIPTIONS OF THOSE PROJECTS.
UM, THE INTENT OF THIS EXPANSION, AS WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME, IS TO FOLLOW SHILOH ROAD NORTH TO CAPTURE KNOWN IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE UP THERE RELATED TO DATA CENTERS.
SO WE'VE BEEN ESTIMATING THAT IT'S ROUGHLY ABOUT A BILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF REAL PROPERTY VALUE THAT COULD COME ONLINE.
NOW, THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PROJECTING, BUT THAT'S WHAT COULD COME ONLINE UP THERE.
AND THEN FOLLOWING SHILOH ROAD SOUTH DOWN TO 6 35 FOR IMPROVEMENTS THAT COULD OCCUR IN THAT CORRIDOR ON SOUTH GARLAND.
AND WHY DO WE WANNA DO THIS? WELL, 6 35 IS EXPECTED TO BE COMPLETED BY THE END OF 2020.
FIVE'S ABOUT 75 MILLION CARS ANNUALLY THAT DRIVE THAT ROAD, AND IT WILL BE A MAJOR GATEWAY INTO THE COMMUNITY AND A VERY LARGE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO REALLY PUT A
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GOOD ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT EFFORT DOWN THERE.AND ALSO, UH, UH, WE WANT TO TRY TO CREATE SYNERGY BETWEEN NORTH AND SOUTH GARLAND.
SO IN 2007, 2012, THE ENVISION GARLAND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL THAT IDENTIFIED NINE CATALYST AREAS.
BY EXPANDING THIS TIFF, WE'RE ACTUALLY TOUCHING FOUR OF THOSE, THE NORTH GARLAND, THE MEDICAL DISTRICT, THE SOUTH GARLAND, AND THE CENTERVILLE MARKETPLACE.
SO REALLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS CREATE SYNERGY KNOWING IMPROVEMENTS ARE HAPPENING UP NORTH, KNOWING WE NEED TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS AT THE MEDICAL DISTRICT AND KNOWING THAT WE HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO MAKE MAJOR IMPROVEMENTS IN SOUTH GARLAND.
SO AS FAR AS REVENUE, ONE THING THAT WE DO WANT TO DO IS, IF THE BOARD DOES WANT TO MAKE THIS RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL TO EXPAND THE T IS TO ENSURE THAT THE MEDICAL DISTRICT, AS IT SITS NOW, ITS REVENUE IS STRICTLY USED FOR MEDICAL DISTRICT ITEMS. THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF THIS TIF.
SO WE DON'T WANT TO TAKE THAT MONEY AWAY.
SO I, FROM HERE ON OUT, I'M GONNA BE BREAKING IT OUT INTO A MEDICAL DISTRICT AREA AND A NORTH SOUTH EXPANSION.
SO BY EXPANDING IN TOTALITY OVER THE NEXT 25 YEARS, WE CAN EXPECT ABOUT 200, 3.3 MILLION.
AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PROJECTING RIGHT NOW.
AND WITH THAT, WE'RE ALSO ASKING THE BOARD TO EXTEND THE TERM OF THE TIF.
I MENTIONED IT WAS A 20 YEAR TIF.
WE WOULD LIKE FOR IT TO BE IN TOTALITY OF 30 YEARS.
SO THERE'D BE ABOUT 25 YEARS LEFT.
AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS IF WE DO NEED TO ISSUE BONDS FOR MAJOR IMPROVEMENTS DOWN THERE, WE TYPICALLY, UH, DO THAT FOR ABOUT 20 YEARS.
SO WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT THE INCREMENT GROWS ENOUGH TO COVER COST OF THAT, IF THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MEDICAL DISTRICT, THE CUMULATIVE REVENUE THROUGH 2049 IS PROJECTED TO BE ABOUT 46.2 MILLION.
WE WANT TO STAY REALLY CONSERVATIVE WITH OUR ESTIMATES.
SO WE'RE ONLY USING A 1% GROWTH ASSUMPTION IN THE PROPERTY THAT'S ALREADY THERE.
AND WE'RE ONLY TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE NEW CONSTRUCTION WE KNOW HAPPENED, WHICH IS THAT RIVERSIDE COMMUNITY OF 150 MILLION.
AND THEN I NOTED THAT THE, THIS REVENUE WILL BE EARMARKED FOR MEDICAL DISTRICT SPECIFICALLY BY EXPANDING THE BOUNDARIES NORTH AND SOUTH AND CAPTURING THOSE DATA CENTERS AND CAPTURING THE PROPERTY DOWN SOUTH OFF 6 35.
THE CUMULATIVE REVENUE FROM THIS COULD BE 157.1 MILLION.
WE'RE ALSO CONSERVATIVE HERE IN THAT WE HAVE 1% REVENUE GROWTH ON THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE ALREADY THERE.
I MENTIONED THAT THE DATA CENTER IS, UH, ROUGHLY $1 BILLION OF REAL PROPERTY VALUE.
WE'RE ASSUMING ABOUT 306 MILLION OF NEW CONSTRUCTION RELATED TO THESE DATA CENTERS TO STAY CONSERVATIVE.
AND THEN THE ESTIMATES ON THE DEVELOPMENT IN SOUTH GARLAND IS REALLY, WE'RE, WE'RE ANTICIPATING AND WE WANT OVER A BILLION DOLLARS DOWN THERE.
WE'RE RIGHT NOW PROJECTING ABOUT 523 MILLION OF NEW CONSTRUCTION IN SOUTH GARLAND.
AND OF COURSE, THIS IS OVER A 25 YEAR PERIOD.
SO KEEP IN MIND THAT THE BUYING POWER 20 YEARS FROM NOW WILL NOT BE THE SAME AS TODAY.
SO SEEING $157.1 MILLION IS, IT'S STILL A LOT OF MONEY, BUT YOU'RE PROBABLY REALLY TALKING ABOUT $112 MILLION IN TODAY'S DOLLARS.
SO AS FAR AS PROJECTS FOR THE TIFF, HOW WE'VE TREATED TIFFS IN THE PAST, SPECIFICALLY WITH THE DOWNTOWN IS WE TRY TO GET A KIND OF PLACEHOLDERS IN PLACE IN THIS DOCUMENT BECAUSE SOME OF THE THINGS WE DON'T KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN NEXT YEAR, LET ALONE OVER THE NEXT 25 YEARS.
AND THEN THROUGHOUT THE YEAR WHEN WE DO OUR ANNUAL BUDGET, WE MAKE AMENDMENTS BASED OFF OF WHEN WE HAVE BETTER INFORMATION.
SO REALLY WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS SOME THAT HURT ARE A LITTLE MORE DETAIL AT THE WILLOW DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
BUT THEN YOU'LL SEE THINGS LIKE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS AND CONSTRUCTION AT POLARIS PARK.
WE KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY WE WOULD LIKE TO PUT THERE, BUT WE STILL ARE EVALUATING ALL THE PROJECTS THAT OCCUR THERE.
SO IN THE MEDICAL DISTRICT RIGHT NOW FOR THIS 25 YEAR PLAN, WE HAVE FOUR PROJECTS, A WHEEL BOAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
WE SIGNED THAT BACK IN 2018 WHEN THE TIFF WAS CREATED.
AND WITH, WITH THE INTENT OF THE TIFF PAYING BACK THE CITY FOR THAT PORTION OF THAT INCENTIVE AGREEMENT, WHICH WAS $3.1 MILLION.
AND HOW WE WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT IS $310,000 EVERY YEAR OVER THE
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NEXT 10 YEARS, STARTING NEXT YEAR, SO THAT WE'RE NOT HAMPERING ALL THE REVENUE GROWTH IN THE MEDICAL DISTRICT.SO IT'S JUST GONNA BE A ZERO INTEREST LOAN BACK TO THE CITY.
SO THAT'S THE FIRST RECOMMENDATION.
THERE'S ALSO A PARIAN DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
PARIAN IS A DEVELOPER WHO CAME IN AND PURCHASED THREE OF THE MEDICAL SPACES AND, UH, DOWN AROUND THE VA THEY HAVE BEEN MAKING SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENTS.
AND WE HAVE ENTERED INTO A, AN INCENTIVE AGREEMENT.
AND THIS IS THE CAP, THIS IS THE HIGH AMOUNT, 2.3 MILLION.
WE DON'T ANTICIPATE SPENDING ALL THAT, BUT I WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND GET THAT IN PLACE.
AND THAT WILL BE OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
AND THEN THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS AND CONSTRUCTION AT RIS PARK.
I'LL GO IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ON THAT.
BUT WHAT THIS REALLY IS IS AFTER WE ENTERED INTO THAT AGREEMENT WITH PAV, WE'VE PURCHASED SOME LAND IN THE MEDICAL DISTRICT AND WE HAVE AN ATTEMPT TO REVITALIZE THAT AREA AND WITH THE HOPES OF AT SOME POINT STUDYING AND SEEING FEASIBILITY STUDIES OF BRINGING BACK A COMMUNITY HOSPITAL.
SO WE'VE ENGAGED WITH SEVERAL, UM, PARTNERS AND CONSULTANTS TO START THINKING ABOUT WHAT CAN WE DO IN THAT AREA TO BRING IN AND ATTRACT COMMUNITY HOSPITAL.
SO WE'VE HAD A MASTER PLAN APPROVED BY COUNCIL, WHICH ALSO HAS A STREET SCAPE COMPONENT AND A LANDSCAPING COMPONENT TO BOTH TRY TO PUT LIKE WELLNESS PARKS WITHIN THIS AREA, AS WELL AS BEAUTIFY THE AREA WITH NICE SIGNAGE STREET SCAPING TO MAKE IT MORE WALKABLE AND FRIENDLY TO COME TO COME FROM THE DART SITE.
AND WE ALSO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY SET ASIDE FOR LAND ACQUISITION.
UM, THIS IS JUST A KIND OF A PLACEHOLDER.
I DON'T HAVE SPECIFIC LAND THAT, UH, WE WANT TO PURCHASE WITH THAT, BUT WITH, IN MY EXPERIENCE WITH LAND, IT JUST SEEMS TO KIND OF BOOM.
HERE IT IS, A YAKO SHOWS UP AND WE FOUND, WE FINALLY GOT A, A, A PRICE ON A, A KEY PIECE OF LAND FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEN I KNOW THIS IS ABOUT AS VAGUE AS IT GETS ON THE NORTH SOUTH EXPANSION, BUT UH, THIS BASICALLY IS JUST A PLACEHOLDER PROJECT FOR INFRASTRUCTURE ASSOCIATED WITH A FUTURE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INITIATIVE WITH A HUGE PRICE TAG OF 157.1 MILLION, WHICH IS BOTH PRINCIPLE AND INTEREST, ASSUMING WE'RE GONNA ISSUE BONDS.
UM, BUT THAT BASICALLY WHAT THAT IS, IS I KNOW THAT THAT'S WHAT THAT AREA'S GONNA GENERATE BASED OFF OF OUR CONSERVATIVE ASSUMPTIONS.
SO WE'VE JUST PUT IN A PLACEHOLDER UNTIL WE CAN NAIL OUT ALL THE DETAILS.
AND LIKE I SAID EARLIER, WE SOMETIMES JUST PUT PLACEHOLDERS IN HERE AND THEN WE WILL COME BACK TO THE BOARD WHEN WE HAVE A MORE REFINED PROJECT AND ADD THAT TO THE PLAN.
AND THAT'S WHAT THE LITTLE FOOTNOTE THERE IS, IS THAT THIS IS REALLY JUST SEGREGATING OFF MONEY RIGHT NOW IN THE PROJECT PLAN.
WE WILL COME BACK ONCE IT'S ALL DETAILED OUT WITH THE ACTUAL PROJECTS.
SO THE TOTAL PROPOSED PROJECT PLAN RIGHT NOW IS ABOUT $200 MILLION OVER THE NEXT 25 YEARS.
AND OBVIOUSLY THE NEXT TIME YOU SEE THIS PLAN, WE WILL ALSO UPDATE REVENUE PROJECTIONS AS WELL AS THE EXPENDITURES.
IT'S JUST EARLY IN THE EARLY YEARS OF A TIFF.
IT'S, IT'S EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO COME UP WITH THE EXACT PROJECTS UNTIL YOU HAVE PARTNERS IN PLACE, WHICH WE'RE WORKING ON NOW.
YAKO TALKED ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT AT THE LAST MEETING, BUT WE, I MENTIONED THAT WE HAVE SOME MASTER PLANS FOR THE MEDICAL DISTRICT AT THE RIS PARK.
AND, UH, THIS URBAN LANDSCAPE DESIGN WAS ADOPTED IN APRIL OF 2023 BY COUNCIL INCLUDED STREET SCAPING, WAVE FINDING, DART BUS, ROUTE REVIEW, PARKS AND OPEN SPACES.
I MENTIONED THE WELLNESS PARK LIGHTING AND SIGNAGE IN THE AREA.
AND HERE'S A LOOK AT, HOPEFULLY Y'ALL CAN READ THIS ON THE MEDICAL DISTRICT OF WHAT THE MASTER PLAN IS.
YOU CAN SEE THE KIND OF RED CIRCLE IN THE NORTH IS THE PROPOSED VA INTERNAL GROWTH AREA.
UM, THERE'S A PIECE OF LAND THAT'S IN ORANGE THAT THE CITY OWNS THAT UH, RIGHT NOW IS A PROPOSED MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEN BACK BY THE CREEK IS THE LARGE WELLNESS PARK AND TRAILS ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
AND THEN THE DARK BLUE IS THE PROPOSED COMMUNITY SITE AT THIS TIME, WHICH COULD BE ANYWHERE FROM FOUR STORIES TO A HUNDRED BEDS, UH, TO, TO EVEN LARGER.
AND THEN UPFRONT, UH, THE PLAN IS TO IMPROVE THE RETAIL AND MIXED USE IN THAT AREA.
SO THIS IS KIND OF THE ADOPTED MASTER
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PLAN FOR RIGHT NOW.AND, AND SO THIS IS WHAT WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS.
THIS IS THE, THE THINGS THAT WE WANNA START TRYING TO ACTUALLY PUT ON THE GROUND RATHER THAN JUST LOOK AT PRETTY PICTURES.
HERE'S A LITTLE, UH, DIFFERENT LOOK AT SHOWING HOW, LOOKING AT THE SPATIAL OPPORTUNITIES WITHIN THE ZONE AND, YOU KNOW, IMPROVING THE RIGHT OF WAY AND THE PEDESTRIAN SPACES, ACQUIRING MORE, ACQUIRING MORE PROPERTY LANDSCAPING IMPROVEMENTS AND PARTNERING WITH OUR NEIGHBORS, UH, ARE, ARE KIND OF THE KEY DRIVERS OF THIS.
UM, YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE IS A, A LOT OF IMPROVEMENT TO HAPPEN ON, UM, UM, MARY CURRY, SAME AS CLARA BARTON.
SO THOSE COSTS ALSO WILL HAVE TO BE EVALUATED AS FAR AS ADDING SIDEWALKS AND, AND, AND IMPROVEMENTS TO THOSE AREAS.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOUTH GARLAND, WHY, WHY WE'RE WANTING TO REALLY FOCUS ON THIS AREA RIGHT NOW IS REALLY BECAUSE OF, UH, UH, THREE MAJOR THINGS.
ONE, WE HAVE A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY RIGHT NOW TO PARTNER WITH DART DALLAS COUNTY AND GISD.
WE ARE IN DISCUSSIONS WITH ALL THREE OF THESE IN OTHER TAXING ENTITIES TO TRY TO COME TOGETHER, TOGETHER AND HAVE A PARTNERSHIP FOR THIS PROJECT DOWN SOUTH.
UH, WE HAVE KEY ASSETS IN THIS AREA AS WELL.
UH, WE OWN THE HYPER MART SITE.
WE BOUGHT AN OLD CINEMA MARK AND WE'VE BOUGHT SOME STORAGE UNITS DOWN NEAR 6 35.
THE DART TRANSIT CENTER IS RIGHT THERE.
SO A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR TRANSPORTATION.
AND THEN THERE'S ALSO PROXIMITY TO EDUCATIONAL FACILITIES.
ARE THOSE COLLEGES OR INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT EDUCATIONAL FACILITIES? IT BOTH INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT.
AND THEN FROM THE MARKET STANDPOINT, WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE A VERY DIVERSE DEMOGRAPHIC DOWN THERE.
THE NORTHEAST DALLAS HOUSEHOLD INCOME IS HIGH COMPARED TO OTHER PORTIONS OF DALLAS.
AND IN FACT, UH, OUR CITY MANAGER LIKES TO QUOTE A, UH, ZILLOW THAT, UH, NORTHEAST DALLAS WAS THE MOST MOST SEARCHED AREA IN THE UNITED STATES.
SO THERE'S A, A UNIQUE SPACE WHERE YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, WHITE ROCK LAKE RIGHT ACROSS THE WAY, AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE GARLAND WITH MUCH MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
SO THAT SPRAWL COMING OUT AND BEING ABLE TO PICK UP PEOPLE LOOKING FOR MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS AN OPPORTUNITY.
AND I'VE MENTIONED BEFORE, 75 MILLION CARS PASSING, UH, THAT INTERSECTION ANNUALLY.
RIGHT NOW, ONCE THAT IS COMPLETE, THIS WILL BE A GATEWAY INTO GARLAND.
SO WE HAVE A VERY UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY TO PARTNER WITH OUR OTHER TAXING ENTITIES TO CREATE SOMETHING VERY SPECIAL.
SO THAT'S REALLY THE END OF THE PRESENTATION.
I KNOW Y'ALL HAVE QUESTIONS, SO WE'RE ALL HERE TO HOPEFULLY BE ABLE TO ANSWER 'EM.
SO I WANNA START OFF WITH ONE QUESTION.
I KNOW THAT ON THE BOTTOM OF PAGE SIX OF THE PLAN, UM, IT SAYS IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT INCREMENTAL TAX REVENUES COLLECTED FROM THE BOUNDARIES IDENTIFIED IN EXHIBIT C WILL BE RESTRICTED TO THE MEDICAL DISTRICT USE ONLY.
SO GIVEN TIF TWO HAS NOW BEEN CENTERED TOWARDS DOWNTOWN, AND I'M DISTRICT SIX AT FOREST AND THERE'S NOTHING HAPPENING DOWN THERE, AND IT'S ALL COMING TO DOWNTOWN, WHAT WILL STOP EITHER FUTURE BOARDS OR COUNCIL FROM SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA MOVE THIS MONEY DOWN TOWARDS WHATEVER DEVELOPMENT COMES IN THE SOUTH OVER THE LONG TERM? NOTHING.
BUT OUR INTENT IS BY ORDINANCE.
WHEN WE APPROVE THE OR, OR IF THIS RECOMMENDATION GOES FORWARD TO COUNCIL WITHIN THE ORDINANCE, WE WILL STATE THAT ALL REVENUE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PORTION OF THE ZONE WILL BE SPECIFICALLY FOR THE MEDICAL DISTRICT.
AND THEN WE WILL UPDATE THIS PROJECT PLAN TO ENSURE THAT THOSE PROJECTS ARE SPECIFIC.
AND THEN FROM AN ACCOUNTING STANDPOINT, WE WILL SEGREGATE THOSE OUT INTO A SEPARATE FUND TO TRACK THAT REVENUE AND THOSE EXPENDITURES.
BUT AS FAR AS A FUTURE COUNCIL COMING ALONG AND WANTING TO CHANGE THAT, I CAN'T, THERE'S NOTHING I CAN DO ON THAT.
SO SECOND QUESTION IS, YOU MENTIONED HOUSING AND AFFORDABILITY IN GARLAND.
UM, WE'RE NOT PULLING ANY HOUSES IN THAT AREA.
WE'RE NOT PULLING ANY RESIDENTS INTO OUR SOUTHERN
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EXPANSION, RIGHT? THAT'S ALL VACANT LAND COMMERCIAL AT THIS POINT, RIGHT? IT'S VACANT LAND, BUT THE INTENT IS TO HAVE MIXED USE AND A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT.I'M, I TELL YOU NOW, TRUST ME, I, I, I GET, I I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING,
I'M, I'M JUST MAKING SURE THAT WHAT WE'RE PULLING IN NOW, BECAUSE THE BOUNDARIES ARE KIND OF HARD TO SEE ON SMALLER MAPS, IS THAT WE'RE PULLING IN VACANT LAND, COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS AND NOT THE RESIDENTIAL.
THAT'S AREAS WHAT WE'RE DOING.
WE TYPICALLY DO NOT WANT TO BRING IN RESIDENTIAL INTUITIVE.
AND, AND THE, THE ONLY REASON WE DID ON RIVERSIDE, 'CAUSE IT WAS NOT, IT WAS NOT DEVELOPED.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO.
SO THIS IS NOT A PORTION OF THE 2019 BOND PROGRAM.
SO WHAT, WHAT KIND OF INFRASTRUCTURE ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? UH, WE'RE TALKING, YOU KNOW, ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS, LAND ACQUISITIONS, UM, REALLY, IT, IT, IT, I'M GONNA HAVE TO, TO DEFER TO A LATER MEETING TO DESCRIBE ALL OF THE ITEMS. 'CAUSE WE NEED, WE'RE STILL IN, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF EXECUTIVE DIS TYPE DISCUSSIONS WITH THIS.
BUT, UH, FOR THE MOST PART, YOU'RE TALKING VERY LARGE SCALE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS.
THINK OF THIS AS MORE OF WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE COUCHING THIS MORE OF AS AS AN INVESTMENT TO GET A RETURN.
UH, THE CITY OF GARLAND, UH, HISTORICALLY HAS STRUGGLED WITH SALES TAX COLLECTION.
OUR PROPERTY TAXES ARE, ARE TYPICALLY LESS THAN THE OTHER METROPLEX CITIES.
WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS, YES, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A RISK, BUT WE'RE PUTTING AN INVESTMENT IN PLACE WITH THE HOPES OF BRINGING IN ADDITIONAL SALES TAX REVENUE AND PROPERTY TAX REVENUE TO THE AREA.
AND WITH THE HELP OF OUR PARTNERS WITH DART AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THE COUNTY, UH, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET THAT DONE.
UM, THE UPCOMING ELECTION AND THE PROPERTY TAX REDUCTIONS PROPOSED, UH, REDUCTION, DO THAT HAVE ANY IMPACT ON THE PROJECTIONS? NO.
MR. DUCKWORTH, I WANT TO GO BACK TO, UH, CHAIRMAN'S ORIGINAL QUESTION.
THE, THE DISTRICT THAT WE NOW HAVE DESIGNATED AS THE MEDICAL DISTRICT, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF DOING THE SAME THING WE DID WITH THE RIVER SET.
WE'RE GONNA REACH INTO SOUTH GARLAND AREA AND BRING THOSE MONIES INTO THE MEDICAL DISTRICT.
AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT CORRECTLY? WE CAN DO THAT, BUT THE INTENT RIGHT NOW IS THE MEDICAL DISTRICT REVENUE WILL BE SET ASIDE FOR THE MEDICAL DISTRICT.
SO RIVER SET WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT.
WE'RE GONNA GO NORTH TO WHERE THESE DATA CENTERS ARE COMING AND THEN PUMP IT SOUTH TO SOUTH GARLAND FOR THIS PROJECT WITH THE HOPE THAT THIS PROJECT THEN TAKES OFF AND WE CAN PUMP BACK UP TO THE MEDICAL DISTRICT.
SO WE'RE REALLY JUST TRYING TO MAKE A, A LIFELINE BETWEEN THOSE THREE POINTS.
WITHIN GARLAND YOU HAVE THE NORTH GARLAND COMPONENT WHERE WE HAVE SOME VACANT LAND REMAINING.
YOU HAVE THE MEDICAL DISTRICT WHERE WE'RE WORKING DILIGENTLY TO TRY TO BRING A COMMUNITY HOSPITAL.
AND THEN YOU HAVE THIS SOUTH GARLAND OPPORTUNITY.
SO IT'S REALLY JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY KIND OF JUST FEED OFF EACH OTHER, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO INITIALLY TAKE AWAY FROM OUR MEDICAL DISTRICT.
'CAUSE THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF THIS.
SO THE ORIGINAL INTENT IS AGAIN, IS TO PULL THOSE FUNDS INTO A PILE.
AND IT, RIGHT NOW IT'S THE MEDICAL DISTRICT ONLY THAT RECEIVES BENEFIT OF THE, OF THE IMPROVEMENTS NORTH AND SOUTH.
THE WAY I'M UNDERSTANDING WHAT WAS SAID WAS THAT IF THE MEDICAL DISTRICT IS A OKAY A STAYS A, AND THEN WHEN B TAKES OFF, IT FEEDS C, WHICH IS SOUTH, AND THEN RIGHT.
HOPEFULLY WE PUSH C BACK INTO A, AT A LATER GIVEN POINT.
SO THERE, THERE'S A COMPONENT OF FAILURE BUILT IN THERE THAT COULD HAPPEN.
BUT WE KNOW NORTH TEXAS DEVELOPMENT, I WILL SAY THAT WITH ONE 90 WE'RE POSED WELL FOR DEVELOPMENT.
SO, AND I, AND I, BASED ON MY UNDERSTANDING, THE, THE MEDICAL DISTRICT WE'RE IN GOOD SHAPE WITH THE RIVERSIDE PROJECT YES.
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DREAM IS FOR THAT AREA.SO WE, RIGHT NOW THE MEDICAL DISTRICT AREA, BECAUSE OF RIVERSIDE, VERY CONFIDENT THAT $46.2 MILLION THROUGH 2049, THE NORTH SOUTH EXPANSION, WE HAVE SOME MORE WORK TO DO, BUT THESE ARE VERY CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATES AND WE'RE LOOKING TO GENERATE ABOUT 157 MILLION.
BUT THAT WILL BE STRICTLY FOR A PROJECT IN SOUTH GARLAND.
A VERY LARGE PROJECT THAT WE WILL BE BRINGING BACK FORWARD TO THIS BOARD AND TO COUNCIL ONCE IT'S GOT ALL, ALL READY TO GO FOR PUBLIC.
YOU, WHEN YOU STARTED YOUR PRESENTATION, YOU SAID, UH, THE 310 MILLION, I BELIEVE THAT THE CITY WAS NO, THE 33.1 MILLION, THE CITY WAS GONNA RECOVER IN THREE, UH, 310,000 INCREMENTS.
BASICALLY JUST REIMBURSEMENT OF THE CASH THAT THE CITY PAID.
SO THE TIFF DIDN'T HAVE ANY INCREMENT WHEN WE ENTERED INTO THAT AGREEMENT BECAUSE RIVERSIDE WAS JUST STARTING AND IN THE ORIGINAL PLAN THAT, UH, THE BOARD APPROVED, THE INTENT WAS TO PAY BACK THAT LOAN TO THE CITY.
SO OUTTA THE 46.2 MILLION, WE'RE GONNA PAY 3.1 MILLION BACK TO THE CITY.
SO IT'S A PAYBACK, IT'S NOT A LOAN.
I HAVE ONE QUESTION ON THIS SLIDE IN PARTICULAR.
UM, ON THE MEDICAL DISTRICT AREA, THE 46.2 MILLION, HAS THAT BEEN ADJUSTED BECAUSE OF THE RAPID GROWTH AND VALUE IN RIVERSIDE? ARE WE STILL VERY CONSERVATIVE ON THAT BECAUSE THE THING'S BRINGING IN MONEY AT A HIGHER RATE THAN IT WAS SUPPOSED TO? SO ARE WE STILL UNDER ON THAT OR HAVE WE ADJUSTED UP? THIS IS HIGHER THAN THE ORIGINAL PLAN.
I DIDN'T BRING THE ORIGINAL PLAN.
I WANNA SAY THAT IT WAS LIKE 28 MILLION.
I THOUGHT THAT'S THE NUMBER I REMEMBERED WAS RIGHT AROUND 30.
SO YEAH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE DOING MUCH BETTER THAN ANTICIPATED, BUT ONLY THING THAT I'M TAKING INTO ACCOUNT IS THINGS I ACTUALLY KNOW IN THAT AREA.
SO I DON'T WANT TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE STILL HAVE A HUNDRED HOMES TO BE BUILT IN.
AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
SO WE JUST STAYED WITH THE 150 MILLION, WHAT'S ON THE GROUND WE ACCOUNTED FOR, BUT WE WERE CONSERVATIVE ON EVERYTHING ELSE.
USUALLY WALNUT STREET AND THE, UH, CUT POINT, THE ESTIMATED, UH, CAPTURE THE FREIGHT VALUES NORTH SOUTH OF THERE.
IF YOU WERE GIVEN A PERCENTAGE OF HOW MUCH OF IT'S NORTH, HOW MUCH OF IT'S OUT? SURE.
WHAT PAGE ARE YOU LOOKING AT? YOU LOOK AT PAGE 22.
SEE IN THAT FIRST COLUMN, UH, THE BASE VALUE IS ABOUT $822 MILLION.
I BELIEVE ABOUT 600 MILLION OF THAT IS IN NORTH.
AND THEN WE'RE ANTICIPATING ANOTHER 306 MILLION COMING IN FOR THE DATA CENTERS AND THEN ANOTHER 500 MILLION PLUS IN SOUTH.
SO IF THE SOUTH DEVELOPMENT COMES IN, AS MY ESTIMATES ARE, IT'S BASICALLY HALF AND HALF NORTH, WE'RE PRETTY SURE RIGHT NOW SOUTH GETTING CLOSER NORTH.
I'M COMFORTABLE WITH, I THINK IT'S A VERY DOABLE COMPONENT AT THIS POINT.
THE SOUTH, OBVIOUSLY, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IS BEING CONSIDERED THERE, AND HOPEFULLY WE WILL SOON, BUT GIVEN JUST FROM THE REAL ESTATE AGENT SIDE OF ME, GIVEN THE DRAW THAT GARLAND HAS RIGHT NOW WITH THE BOND PROPOSALS, THE PARKS, AND WE'RE GETTING NATIONWIDE MEDIA BECAUSE OF THE SKATE PARK WITH EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING, WE ARE BECOMING A DESTINATION.
AGAIN, WE WERE ONE OF THE MOST AFFORDABLE CITIES IN GAR IN TEXAS, WAS IT THREE YEARS IN A ROW.
WE WERE THE MOST AFFORDABLE CITY IN NORTH TEXAS.
SO THERE, THERE'S A, THERE'S A VERY BIG COMPONENT THAT IS GOING TO DRAW A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT HERE.
AND THAT 6 35 DEVELOPMENT IS GONNA BE HUGE IN THAT.
I KNOW IT PROBABLY MAKES Y'ALL FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE NOT TO KNOW WHAT PROJECT I'M TALKING ABOUT, BUT REALLY THE INTENT IS, IS THESE DATA CENTERS ARE GONNA START COMING ONLINE
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NEXT YEAR.WE WANT TO EXPAND THESE BOUNDARIES IF Y'ALL WANT TO MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR SO THAT WE CAN CAPTURE THAT VALUE BEFORE THAT THAT CONSTRUCTION HAPPENS.
WE'VE MADE ESTIMATES FOR PLACEHOLDERS FOR SOUTH GARLAND, BUT WE ARE NOT GOING TO GO AND SPEND $157 MILLION TOMORROW.
I MEAN, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE BUDGETED AND APPROVED AND EVERYTHING OF THAT NATURE.
SO THE INTENT IS TO COME BACK WITH THIS PROJECT PLAN AND IDENTIFY THE EXACT NATURE OF THESE EXPENDITURES AND GET Y'ALL'S RECOMMENDATION.
MY COMMENT IS A PART OF, AS A PART OF THIS GROUP, I WOULD, I WOULD WANT US TO, TO, OR MY PERSONAL FEELING IS WE NEED, I WANNA MAKE SURE WE DON'T GET THE SAME DISCUSSION THAT THE DART STATION OUT HERE IS NOT GETTING CORRECT, GETTING ANY MONEY.
I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS, IS EQUITABLE TO, TO ALL THE PARTS OF THE CITY THAT ARE, UH, PROVIDING THE, THE TAX DOLLAR GROWTH TO MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENS IN THOSE AREAS.
AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I WAS LISTENING TO SOMEBODY TODAY THAT OUR COUNTRY IS BUILT ON A DREAM AND THIS IS A DREAM.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT AS A GROUP, WE KINDA LOOK AT IT AS A DREAM BASED ON, UH, YOU HAVE A LITTLE FINITE MORE LOOK AT IN THE FUTURE THAN WE DO AS A GROUP, BUT, UH, THIS IS A DREAM FOR THESE AREAS.
BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE AS A PART OF THIS GROUP THAT, THAT WE DON'T GET, THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING ANYTHING OUT OF THIS COMMENT.
NOW, THIS IS THE ISSUE YOU'RE NO, NO CONTROL WITH BASICALLY THE COUNTY ON THE, ON THE POLITICAL WILL 15, 20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD TRUST COMES IN BASED ON JUPITER DOWNTOWN, UH, FIASCO.
SO JUPITER IS STILL SITTING THERE PRETTY MUCH AWAY.
UH, STILL THERE A LOT OF PEOPLE CONCERNED HOW WE GONNA PUSH THIS? WELL, I DO KNOW THAT OUR INTENT IS TO SET, SET THIS IN MOTION RELATIVELY QUICKLY, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO MEDICAL DISTRICT AND, AND ANY WAY TO STOP FUTURE COUNCILS FROM CHANGING THINGS AS NOT LETTING MONEY SIT.
SO OUR OUR INTENT IS TO START IMMEDIATELY ON THE MEDICAL DISTRICT.
I I UNDERSTAND THE STAFF DECISION IS JUST THAT IT'S GONNA BE LEFT UP CORRECT FUTURE POLITICIANS.
AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK COMES THE NERVOUS AROUND HERE.
ESPECIALLY THOSE OF US MEMBER OF THE NUMBER TWO, UH, STORY BEHIND THAT.
ALL RIGHT, MR. PERRY, WE CAN, UH, SORRY, CHAIR.
AND WE, I'LL I'LL CONSULT WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY MECHANISMS WE CAN LOOK AT DOING TO DO THAT, BUT I'M JUST NOT AWARE OF ANY, I KNOW THAT THIS HAS BEEN A CONCERN IN THE PAST AND THERE HASN'T BEEN REALLY ANY WAY TO MITIGATE THIS ISSUE.
BUT, UH, WE'LL DO WHATEVER WE CAN TO TRY TO BUTTON THAT UP IN THE ORDINANCE.
I WANNA GIVE THE FLOOR TO MR. PERRY THEN MS. DODSON.
MATT, I JUST WANT TO COMPLIMENT YOU ON A GREAT PRESENTATION.
AS, AS USUAL, IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD HOW YOU EXPLAIN THE, THE FUTURE EXPANSION AND WHERE THE POTENTIAL ALLOCATIONS OF REVENUE AND PROJECTS ARE.
HERE'S MY, HERE'S MY ONGOING BURNING CONCERN.
WE GOT A CITY THAT'S OVER 200, BASICALLY 250,000 PEOPLE, QUARTER MILLION PEOPLE.
YOU KNOW WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS, RIGHT? WE'VE GOT ALL THESE FUTURE PROJECTS, $157 MILLION.
HAVE ANY SE SERIOUS THOUGHT SINCE WE DON'T HAVE A A A PUBLIC HOSPITAL, WE, WE GOT A VA BAYLOR CLOSED.
HAVE ANY THOUGHT BEEN GIVEN TO USE SOME OF THIS EXPANSION OR PROPERTY THAT WE'RE SPEAKING OF TO HAVE A HOSPITAL FOR THE QUARTER OF A MILLION PEOP QUARTER OF A MILLION PEOPLE HERE FOR THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF GARLAND.
THAT'S, IF, IF THAT'S GOING TO TAKE PLACE, IS THIS GONNA BE PART OF THIS, THIS, UM, MEDICAL DISTRICT RIGHT NOW? YES, WE ARE LOOKING TO ATTRACT SOMEBODY TO BE HAVE A COMMUNITY HOSPITAL HERE.
I CANNOT PROMISE THAT THAT WILL HAPPEN BECAUSE IT'S GOTTA WORK OUT FOR THEM AS WELL.
WELL, WELL THAT, WELL, I, I UNDERSTAND.
WILL THAT BE PART OF THAT COMPONENT OF THAT 157 MILLION? NOT OF THE 157 MILLION, BUT WE WILL BE UTILIZING THE 46 MILLION.
AND IN ADDITION, OUR INTENTS IS TO BE BRINGING FORWARD A BOND PROGRAM TO BE, UH, UH, VOTER APPROVED IN NOVEMBER, UH, OF NEXT YEAR TO, UM, BASICALLY PRO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR THE MEDICAL DISTRICT AS WELL AS HARBOR
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POINT AND OTHER AREAS OF TOWN.BECAUSE AS WE CONTINUE TO GROW AS, AS A COMMUNITY, AS A CITY, WE BECOMING MORE AND MORE LANDLOCK.
AND AS THE OLD, THE OLD SAYING GOES, YOU HAVE TO STRIKE WHEN THE IRON IS HOT.
THIS IS OUR, THIS IS OUR OPPORTUNITY IF WE, IF, IF WE AS A, AS A CITY ARE GOING TO HAVE A COMMUNITY HOSPITAL, I, I THINK THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY IN THIS, IN THIS DISTRICT TO, TO ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES.
AND PAGE FOUR OF THE PRESENTATION, THE BOTTOM RIGHT HAND CORNER IS THE PROPOSED COMMUNITY HOSPITAL.
SO I MEAN, IT IS, IT IS A, A VERY LARGE DISCUSSION OF EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING WITH THE MEDICAL DISTRICT.
THAT, THAT COMPONENT IS THERE.
SO IF, IF I COULD ADD TO THAT JUST A LITTLE BIT.
'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
UH, MY NAME'S ANDY HESSER, FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW ME, ONE OF THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGERS.
SO EXACTLY THAT MAP THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO, THAT PROJECT THAT WE, UH, ENGAGE CONSULTANTS FOR IS, IF YOU DON'T MIND MATT, MAYBE PULL THAT MAP BACK UP.
SO THE THE IDEA IS, IS, YOU KNOW, WE DO, WE'VE PARTNERED WITH, UH, VALARI TO DO A STUDY.
IT IDENTIFIED SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 80 AND A HUNDRED BEDS OR APPROPRIATE FOR A COMMUNITY OF THIS SIZE.
UM, SO THE IDEA OF PROVIDING IMPROVEMENTS TO THAT AREA WITH THE FUNDS THAT, THAT MATT'S TALKING ABOUT BEING ALLOCATED IN THIS AREA GOES STRICTLY TO, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, HOSPITAL'S STILL A BUSINESS.
THEY'VE GOTTA HAVE TENANTS, UM, THEY'VE GOTTA HAVE DOCTORS THAT WANNA BE THERE, NURSE, THEY HAVE TO HAVE PAYING TENANTS AND THEY GOT THAT'S CORRECT.
SO THE, THE IDEA IS, IS TO PROVIDE THIS AREA BE ATTRACTIVE FOR TENANTS EMPLOYEES.
AND SO THE IDEA IS TO WORK DILIGENTLY WITH THIS PLAN, UH, TO ATTRACT THE HOSPITAL OF SOME, SOME TYPE, UM, UNIFY THE AREA SO THAT THEY'VE GOT TENANTS THAT WANT TO LEASE THERE.
UM, AND THEN ALL THE OTHER PROPERTIES THAT WE HAVE, WE WOULD THEN LOOK AT WAYS TO INCENTIVIZE THE BUSINESSES THAT SUPPORT IT.
SO YOU MIGHT HAVE IMAGING CENTERS, TESTING CENTERS, ALL THE THINGS THAT GO ALONG WITH IT.
SO IT'S A VERY FOCUSED EFFORT AND A VERY HIGH PRIORITY FOR CITY COUNCIL AND EVERYONE ELSE, UH, TO DO THAT.
SO IT IS ABSOLUTELY PART OF THE STRATEGY.
APPRECIATE THE UPDATE MS. DOTSON.
SO ON THE PART WHERE THE FUNDS FROM THE TIF THREE WILL STAY WITH THE MEDICAL DISTRICT, THAT'S MY BIGGEST HESITATION TO RECOMMEND EXPANDING THIS BECAUSE FOREST JUPITER HAS HAD NOTHING.
UM, I UNDERSTAND THE FOCUS ON DOWNTOWN, BUT THERE'S BEEN NO MOVEMENT.
I UNDERSTAND THAT'S MARKET DRIVEN, BUT WITH A LOT OF THOSE FUNDS BEING BLED OFF, IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY, THERE WON'T BE THE CASH AVAILABLE.
I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING IS WE'RE WANTING TO SET THAT ASIDE FOR THE PLAN AS WAS ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL.
ANY OTHER FUNDS COULD BE USED NORTH AND SOUTH OR IN THE MEDICAL DISTRICT? YEAH, ANYWHERE.
AND I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THOSE, BUT I WOULD REALLY WANNA KNOW FROM THE ATTORNEY OR SOMEHOW WHERE WE GET IN THERE BECAUSE I'M VERY, VERY, VERY MUCH AGAINST TAKING MONEY FROM THAT MEDICAL DISTRICT.
I WAS INVOLVED WITH ALL OF THAT WHEN IT ORIGINALLY SET UP.
UM, THERE'S BEEN SOME STREET SCAPES AND THINGS THAT HAVE MADE IT BETTER, BUT IF THE FOCUS DOESN'T REMAIN ON MAKING THAT A VIABLE PART OF THE COMMUNITY, THEN IT WAS ALL DONE FOR REALLY NO PURPOSE.
WE GOT STARTED AND THEN WE JUST LEFT IT ALONE.
SO FOR ME PERSONALLY, I WOULD WANT SOME SORT OF WORDING IN THERE.
UM, SO WE KNOW THERE'S, WE KNOW THERE'S FUNDS THERE FOR THE MA THAT'S THE WHOLE REASON, YOU KNOW, THE DISCUSSION WITH WILL BO, THE WHOLE REASON THAT WAS EVER PUT IN PLACE.
IT WAS GONNA BE HOUSING FOR NURSES, YOU KNOW, X-RAY TECHNICIANS, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.
THAT'S THE WHOLE REASON THAT WAS DONE TO BENEFIT THAT COMPACT AREA.
I'VE ALWAYS BEEN A BIG PROPONENT OF DOING SOMETHING THE GATEWAY OUT OF, YOU KNOW, EAST DALLAS, THAT'S ALL A GREAT PLAN, BUT I DON'T
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WANT IT TO COME TO THE EXPENSE OF THAT MEDICAL DISTRICT.SO FOR ME, I, WITHOUT SOME LANGUAGE, VERY STRONG LANGUAGE SO THAT IT TAKES A REAL DISCUSSION TO UNDO IT.
I CAN'T FAVOR EXPANDING IT AND I WANT TO, BUT UNLESS THERE'S SOME STRONG THING THAT MAKES THAT MONEY STAY THERE, I CAN'T SUPPORT IT.
WE ALSO HAD ANOTHER 10 YEARS TO CORRECT.
WHY WOULD WE NOT HAVE A TIF THREE AND TIF FOUR? WELL, WE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT AND THE, THE MAIN REASON WAS IS ONE, THE DATA CENTERS WE KNOW ARE COMING ONLINE.
AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO, TO CAPTURE THAT VALUE LIKE WE DID WITH RIVER SET AND TAKE IT DOWN SOUTH.
BUT ALSO, UM, I I WAS ACTUALLY THINKING THE OPPOSITE IDEA OF NOT TAKING A MONEY AWAY FROM THE MEDICAL DISTRICT, BUT DRIVING DEVELOPMENT TO PUT BACK IN THE MEDICAL DISTRICT, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE LOOKING TO EXPAND THAT SO THAT THERE, THERE CAN BE MONEY FROM BOTH NORTH AND SOUTH PUMPED BACK TO THE MEDICAL DISTRICT.
UH, AS THIS TIFF CONTINUES FOR FOUR, GOT THIS OTHER ISSUE CONTEND WITH, AND UH, IT'S GIVEN US SOME HEARTBURN I GUESS THEY RELEASED.
SO I'M NOT SURE, UH, THE URGENCY OF THE NEED TO EXPAND IT.
THE URGENCY REALLY COMES IN TO, UH, MAKE SURE THAT WE CAPTURE THE PROPERTY VALUE OF THE DATA CENTERS AS NEW CONSTRUCTION.
TO THAT NOTE, CAN WE EXPAND NOR AND THEN COME SOUTH LATER? YOU COULD BECAUSE WHAT, WHAT I'M HEARING, OKAY.
AND I I I'M ON THE SAME PAGE AS EVERYBODY ELSE.
I, I DON'T WANT TO, I KNOW WE'RE NOT GONNA COST THE MEDICAL CENTER, BUT I DON'T WANT TO IMPEDE IT IF SOUTH DOES NOT HAPPEN, IF WE'RE PUSHING MONEY FROM NORTH, HOPING THAT SOUTH WILL TAKE OFF AND THEN TRYING TO PUSH IT BACK INTO THE MEDICAL DISTRICT.
IF ONE OF THOSE DOES NOT TAKE OFF, WHICH I'M GOING TO ASSUME AT THIS POINT THAT THE DEALS ARE DONE FOR THE DATA CENTERS.
I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY PUBLIC.
SO THE LAND HAS BEEN ACQUIRED SHORT OF SOMETHING VERY BAD HAPPENING THAT'S DONE.
I'M MORE INCLINED TO GO NORTH FIRST AND THEN IF WE HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT SOUTH WILL BE AND WHAT IT COULD BRING GOING SOUTH VERY QUICKLY AT A LATER DATE, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYBODY IN THIS ROOM WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM WITH MEETING VERY QUICKLY IF WE HAD TO GET SOMETHING TO COUNSEL VERY QUICKLY TO FEEL A LOT BETTER.
IS THAT, WHAT DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT? I GUESS THE, ONE OF, ONE OF MY BIGGEST ISSUES IS FROM THE, FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE IS, IS WE ARE CURRENTLY NEGOTIATING WITH SOME DEVELOPERS AND WE'RE TRYING TO SHOW THAT WE HAVE A FUNDING MECHANISM TO SUPPORT THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT WE WANT TO DO.
AND SO THIS WOULD SHOW THAT THE CITY OF GARLAND MEANS BUSINESS AND THAT WE ARE COMING TO THE TABLE AND WE'RE GONNA INVEST IN SOUTH GARLAND.
AND SO THAT'S WHY THIS IS BEING PRESENTED IN THIS WAY TODAY.
AND, AND I'M NOT, I'M JUST SAYING THAT AFTER WATCHING THE LAST TWO WEEKS WITH WHAT WENT DOWN WITH TIF TWO AND WATCHING WHAT HASN'T HAPPENED WITH TIF TWO, IT, IT'S PARDON MY RELUCTANCE, BUT MAN, I'M, YOU KNOW, I GET WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND I THINK I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE PUSHING TOWARDS AND ANTICIPATING AND I LIKE IT.
BUT 'CAUSE THE RUMBLINGS ARE THERE, BUT I'M, MAN, IT'S HARD WHENEVER WE JUST OVERPAID ON A BUILDING AND THAT MONEY COULD HAVE BEEN PUT TOWARDS IMPROVEMENTS AT FOREST AND JUPITER.
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HERE WE ARE SITTING SAYING, OKAY, LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO IT AGAIN.UM, AND ALSO I WOULD SAY THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, I MENTIONED THAT WE'RE RIGHT NOW TALKING TO DART THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THE COUNTY, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS INTERESTED AND WE'RE HAVING DISCUSSIONS AND HOPEFULLY CAN GET IN FRONT OF THEM SOON OF, OF PARTICIPATING IN THIS TIF.
AND THAT HONESTLY WILL BE A GAME CHANGER.
I'M, I'M HONESTLY A LEAP OF FAITH PERSON.
I'M THE ETERNAL PESSIMIST IN MANY OF MY GROUPS.
I ANTICIPATE THE WORST AND HOPE FOR THE BEST.
I, I WANT TO DO THIS, I WANT TO BE A PART OF IT, BUT I NEED, LIKE LORI WAS SAYING, I NEED THE ASSURANCE THAT I'M NOT HANDING A BLANK CHECK THAT'S GONNA COST THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT.
WELL, I THINK EVEN THE SOUTH SIDE, BECAUSE IT'S, I MEAN, EXCITING AND ALL OF THAT, IT WOULD GET THE FOCUS.
AND AGAIN, I WANNA MAKE SURE THE MEDICAL DISTRICT DOESN'T JUST, OH, WELL WE'VE GOT THIS LATEST COOLEST AND WE'RE GONNA PUT OUR FOCUS HERE AND WE'LL WAIT ON THAT.
'CAUSE THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT AND SAID, SO AS A HEALTHCARE PROFESSIONAL, WE NEED A HOSPITAL IN THE CITY FOR YOU TO HAVE TO GO TO PLANO OR MEDICAL CITY DALLAS OR BAYLOR IN DOWNTOWN FOR HEALTHCARE, THAT'S NOT FEASIBLE.
THOSE AREAS ARE STILL 15 TO 20 MINUTES AWAY IN EMERGENCY.
SO I AM A MEMBER AND A CITIZEN OF SOUTH GARLAND.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT EXPAND.
AND I WAS HOPING WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF 6 35 OR BRING THAT POPULATION INTO GARLAND, GARLAND DID NOT HAVE ANY EXITS ON THE 6 35.
MESQUITE HAVE X'S OFFICE 6 35.
WELL, SPRINGS DOES, UM, RICHARDSON FARMER BRANCH.
SO WITH THEM EXPANDING 6 35 TO BRING MORE PEOPLE IN THE CITY, THAT INCLUDES BUSINESSES, RESTAURANTS.
SO WE CAN ACTUALLY START TO GROW AND THEN IT'LL MAKE IT MORE ACCESSIBLE FOR CITIZENS DOWN IN SOUTH GARLAND TO GET MEDICAL CARE.
BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND RIGHT NOW WITH SOUTH GARLAND, UM, THE, THE INCOME AND THE MEDIUM INCOME IS NOT THERE YET.
SO PEOPLE STILL HAVE TO TRAVEL TO GET MEDICAL CARE.
SO I WAS THINKING IN MY MIND, AND HELP ME IF I'M WRONG, BECAUSE I'M STILL NEW TO GARLAND.
I'VE ONLY BEEN HERE SINCE 2020, BUT IF WE HAVE THE EXPANSION AT 6 35 AT OUR ADVANTAGE TO HELP FUEL THE GROWTH OF THE MEDICAL DISTRICT BY NOW HAVING ACCESSIBLE BECAUSE 6 35 HAS GOT ACCESSIBLE.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, THAT IF WE EXPAND THE SOUTH PART OF GARLAND, NORTH GARLAND HAS BEEN GROWING SINCE I'VE GOTTEN HERE AND EVEN BEFORE, NO ONE IS BUILDING IN SOUTH GARLAND.
NOBODY, THE ONLY THING THAT I HAVE SEEN THAT'S NEW DEVELOPMENT SO FAR IN SOUTH GARLAND IS ACROSS THE STREET FROM MY CHURCH.
THERE'S A NEW DEVELOPMENT RIGHT THERE AT THE WALMART.
IT'S A, UM, APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT'S FULL MARKET VALUE.
THANK GOODNESS THAT IS THAT HOUSING BECAUSE THEY'RE ACTUALLY TRYING TO GROW THAT AREA TO GET IT AWAY FROM JUST HOUSING, LOW INCOME, UM, MINORITY COMMUNITY AND LET US BE CONTENDERS WITH NORTH GARLAND.
AND SO I WILL BE IN SUPPORT OF WHATEVER DEVELOPMENT THAT NEEDS TO HAVE IN SOUTH GARLAND BECAUSE THAT IS THE GATEWAY INTO GARLAND.
YOU CANNOT ACCESS GARLAND FROM THE NORTH.
SO IF YOU HAVE 6 35, THAT'S THE GATEWAY FOR THEM TO ACCESS SOUTH GARLAND.
AND THEN YOU CAN MOVE UP TO NORTH GARLAND BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO FAR WILL, UNLESS YOU LIVE UP THAT WAY.
PEOPLE THAT 6 35 FRANCIS ME, I WOULD RATHER GO TO NORTH PARK.
I HAVEN'T EVEN TRAVELED TO PLANO OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE AGAIN, IT'S NORTH GARLAND.
BUT WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO DOWN TO THE SOUTH? YOU HAVE TO BUILD THE BOTTOM IN ORDER FOR YOU TO SUPPORT THE, THAT'S HOW I THINK, AND AGAIN, YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BECAUSE AGAIN, I'M STILL NEW HERE, BUT FOR ME TO MOVE INTO A CITY THAT DIDN'T HAVE ANY ACCESSIBILITY FROM A FREEWAY IN THE CITY, THAT WAS JUST KIND OF SURPRISING FOR ME.
SINCE I LIVED IN HOUSTON FOR 18 YEARS, EVERYTHING IS ACCESSIBLE.
EVERY FREEWAY IS ACCESSIBLE TO ANOTHER CITY.
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MOVED HERE, THERE WAS NO, LIKE, YOU DON'T GET OFF THE FREEWAY.YOU HAVE TO GO TO ANOTHER CITY TO GET OFF THE FREEWAY.
AGAIN, YOU'D HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE HISTORY OF I'VE HEARD.
OKAY, I'VE HEARD I GOTTA MOVE PAST THAT.
BUT IF I COULD PIGGY BACK ON THAT FOR, FOR FOR A MINUTE, I I APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS.
I I WANT TO TAKE, TAKE A MINUTE HERE.
THE, THE, WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING IS, IS CRITICAL.
IT'S ABOUT LONG-TERM STRATEGY.
WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS ALL THE NEEDS BY THIS MECHANISM AND THIS STRATEGY THAT MATT AND HIS TEAM HAVE PUT A LOT OF, UH, THOUGHT AND INTO HOW TO ACHIEVE ALL OF THE GOALS SIMULTANEOUSLY, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS AN OPPORTUNITY THAT ISN'T ABOUT THE BOUNDARIES OF THIS DISTRICT.
IT'S NOT ABOUT NORTH SOUTH, IT'S ABOUT LIFTING UP THE ENTIRE CITY.
IT'S ABOUT A DEVELOPMENT THAT, UM, UH, THAT WILL LIFT UP THE ENTIRE CITY.
I FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT THE PROJECT THAT WE JUST COMPLETED DOWNTOWN.
IT IS, IT LIFTS, IT LIFTS UP THE ENTIRE CITY.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN OPPORTUNITY IN, IN THE CITY OF GARLAND RIGHT NOW THAT I THINK IS A ONCE IN A LIFETIME OPPORTUNITY.
IF I COULD BE SO BOLD AND WE'RE BUILDING ON THE MOMENTUM THAT A, A VISIONARY STRATEGIC THINKING, PAST COUNCILS, MULTIPLE COUNCILS WHEN THEY TOOK ON A HEAVY LIFT OF THE 2019 BOND PROGRAM.
UM, IT IT, AS A PERSON WHO HAS WORKED IN OTHER CITIES, AND I, AND I DON'T LIVE IN THE CITY LIMITS.
I'VE BEEN HERE NOW GOING ON FIVE YEARS, THE BUZZ OUTSIDE OF HERE OF THIS TOWN IS SUBSTANTIAL.
THIS BUILDS ON THAT MOMENTUM AND IT GIVES US THE TOOLS TO, UH, AS YOU MIGHT RECALL, WHEN THE HYPER MART AND THE CINEMA MARK AND ALL THAT WAS PURCHASED SOME TIME AGO, THERE WASN'T A SPECIFIC PROJECT.
IT WAS ABOUT OPPORTUNITY STRIKING WHEN AN OPPORTUNITY PRESENTS ITSELF.
THIS ALLOWS US TO PUT MECHANISMS IN PLACE THAT STRIKES WHEN AN OPPORTUNITY PRESENTS ITSELF TO ELEVATE THE ENTIRE CITY.
AND WE'RE THINKING REGIONALLY, WE'RE NOT THINKING SMALL STUFF HERE.
WE'RE THINKING WHAT IS IT THAT ELEVATES THE ENTIRE CITY IN THE EYES OF THE REGION.
SO I, I'M HOPING, I'M NOT OUTTA LINE HERE, BUT I'M SPEAKING KIND OF FROM THE HEART HERE A LITTLE BIT.
THIS IS A CRITICAL OPPORTUNITY FOR THE FUTURE OF THE CITY THAT I HOPE IS VERY CAREFULLY CONSIDERED.
I THINK EVERYONE AGREES THAT THE HOSPITAL IS WAY UP HERE ON THE PRIORITY LIST.
AND SO THE PLAN THAT MATT'S PUT TOGETHER ALLOWS US TO DO THAT, UM, VIA THE ORDINANCE LANGUAGE, VIA THE COMPARTMENTALIZATION OF THE FUNDS, VIA AS MANY TOOLS AS WE COULD LEGALLY THROW AT IT.
I THINK COUNSEL AND STAFF WILL ALL AGREE THAT THAT HAS TO HAPPEN.
MATTER OF FACT, WE HAVE MEETINGS IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE WITH OUR DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS TO TALK ABOUT WHAT IS IT THAT'S GONNA ATTRACT TO HOSPITAL, WHAT DO THEY WANT? SO WE'RE GONNA LITERALLY TALK ABOUT THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF WHAT'S GONNA ATTRACT THE HOSPITAL.
SO IT'S ACTIVELY HAPPENING ON A REGULAR BASIS.
I'M GONNA GO TO MR. PERRY REAL QUICK.
I I APPRECIATE LORI'S AND PATRICK, YOUR, YOUR CONCERN, BUT FOR THE SAKE OF PROGRESS, I, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THE STAFF DOES NOT HAVE ANY CONTROL OF RESTRICTING FUNDS OF WHAT THEY'RE GONNA BE USED FOR THIS A, B OR C PROJECTS.
THAT'S, THAT'S CITY COUNCIL'S DECISION.
SO I I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS.
THE STAFF DOESN'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OF WHAT CITY COUNCIL DOES.
THEY DO NOT, BUT I, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD HANDICAP OR HANDCUFF POTENTIAL PROGRESS THAT THAT IS BEING RECOMMENDED BECAUSE WHAT CITY COUNCIL HAS DONE OR MAY POTENTIALLY DO, THEY, THEY, THEY'VE WORKED HARD TO BRING A POTENTIAL PROPOSAL THAT'S, THAT CAN HELP US HAVE A, UH, EXPANSION THROUGH HAVING A COMMUNITY HOSPITAL.
HE DOESN'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OF WHAT THE CITY COUNCIL DOES.
I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD HANDCUFF HIM.
IF WE HAVE A CON SERIOUS CONCERN ABOUT WHAT HAS BEEN DONE IN THE PAST, IN THE FUTURE, I THINK WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO SPEAK TO THE MAYOR AND OUR CITY COUNCIL PEOPLE ABOUT THAT.
AND IF, IF, IF WE GET NO CO COOPERATION, THAT'S WHY WE GO AND VOTE FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS.
BUT AT THIS QUORUM, THIS QUORUM AT THIS VERY MOMENT, WE SHOULD NOT HANDICAP STAFF FOR TRYING TO BE PROGRESSIVE IN ADDRESSING ALL OF THESE CONCERNS AND NEEDS.
I, I, WELL ADD THAT I DID TALK TO CITY COUNCIL AND I DID MESSAGE THE MAYOR AND I DID HAVE MANY CONVERSATIONS WITHIN THE 18 HOURS THAT SOMETHING WAS KNOWN.
AND EVEN AT THE TIME OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING, PEOPLE WHO SPOKE AGAINST SOMETHING THEN
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VOTED FOR IT.SO THERE, THERE'S A, THERE IS A REAL RELUCTANCE ON MY PART.
AND I'M, I, I SAID I AM A VISIONARY PERSON BECAUSE I WANT REAL ESTATE GROWTH IN THIS.
IT HELPS OUR SCHOOLS, IT HELPS EVERYTHING.
AND I HOPE THAT WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT, WE WILL BE ABLE TO KNOW ABOUT VERY SOON.
I'M ONLY BRINGING MY POINT OF VIEW HERE AS A SECONDARY THOUGHT.
I JUST WANT PEOPLE TO THINK ABOUT WHAT COULD HAPPEN.
JUST SOME HISTORICAL BACKGROUND.
SO STAFF DOES WHAT COUNCIL DIRECTS THEM TO DO.
BASICALLY THIS SOUTH ENTRANCE OUT OF EAST DALLAS INTO GARLAND.
THEY HAVE A POTENTIAL TO DEVELOP HOWEVER MANY ACRES, VISIONARY, BRING EVERYTHING UP, COMPLETELY SUPPORT THAT.
BUT RIVER SET, WHEN THE CITY WENT IN AND VOTED TO CREATE THIS TIFF, IT WAS TO HELP THAT MEDICAL DISTRICT.
AND SO IF YOU POTENTIALLY TAKE FUNDS AWAY WHERE THEY HAVE A PROJECTION OF 47 MILLION, WE'VE PUMPED $47 MILLION INTO NOTHING BECAUSE WE HAVE THIS VISION AND THIS NEW SHINY THING DOWN SOUTH THAT WE WANNA FOCUS ON.
SO IN NO WAY AM I SAYING ANYTHING BAD ABOUT STAFF.
STAFF HAS DONE I ACO COMING ON STAFF AND DOING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT HAS DONE A PHENOMENAL JOB.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT SORT OF LEGAL LANGUAGE COULD GO INTO IT.
AND IF THERE'S MORE THAN SAY 50 MILLION, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO SAYING 50 MILLION IS SET ASIDE AND CANNOT BE USED ANYWHERE ELSE, BUT HERE, ALL OTHERS CAN BE UTILIZED TO DO THESE THINGS.
BUT THEY HAVE THIS VISION THAT'S OPPORTUNITY.
BUT THEY HAVE NO FUNDS TO DO THIS VISIONARY THING RIGHT NOW.
THEY'VE DONE A GREAT JOB AND IT'S A NICE BIG DEVELOPMENT, BUT DOWNTOWN WAS A NICE BIG DEVELOPMENT.
OH, WELL NOW WE NEED THESE 12 PARKING SPOTS.
OH, NOW WE HAVE ENOUGH PARKING SPACE, WE DON'T NEED IT.
AND SO NOW WE NEED THIS BUILDING TO BE AN EVENT CENTER.
IT NOT THEIR FOOT DIRECTED BY, BY COUNSEL.
AGAIN, NOT THEIR FAULT, BUT FOREST JUPITER STATION, THE DART STATION THAT COULD HAVE WALKABLE, YOU KNOW, INCOME LEVEL RENTS, APARTMENTS, THEY'RE NOT THERE.
AND THAT'S BEEN, WHAT, ALMOST 30 YEARS? I WAS GONNA SAY.
AND SO I DON'T WANNA HAMSTRING THEM, IF IT'S A VOTE TONIGHT WITHOUT AN ATTORNEY TELLING ME WHAT CAN BE SAID, MY VOTE WOULD BE AGAINST IT.
AND THAT'S A WAY OF TELLING COUNCIL THAT THIS BOARD HEARD THIS, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE JUST A BLANK CHECK TO GO CHASE.
THE NEXT THING FOR THE, UH, FORTUNATELY OR UNFORTUNATELY, SOME OF US HAVE SEEN THIS MOVIE BEFORE.
UH, DIFFERENT ACTORS, DIFFERENT SET PEOPLE ON THE DARK STATION PROJECT.
UH, I REMEMBER SITTING THERE AND UH, AGAIN, WE WERE GOING TO DO THIS.
THEY HAD SKETCHES, DRAWINGS TO THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES OF THIS AND THAT.
AND SO YES, IT'S ALL FOR THE FUTURE, THE GROWTH, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
AND, UM, EVERY TIME, WELL, MOST OF YOU DON'T KNOW, I SERVED BEFORE SIX YEAR TERM.
THEY ON, ON THE CAD MAP UP THERE.
THEY HAVE AND HAVE THIS LONG LINE ALL THE WAY TO DOWNTOWN GARLAND.
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AND UH, IT'S, IT'S STILL THERE.AND EVERY TIME I WENT FOR A HEARING SERVING ON THE PANEL, I WOULD LOOK AT THAT MAP AND BRING BACK MEMORY.
SO, AND AGAIN, IT, IT IS NOT A REFLECTION ON, ON US HERE OR THE STAFF.
IT IS THAT IT'S UP TO THE POLITICAL WILL OF WHOEVER HAS TO BE IN OFFICE AT THAT TIME.
AND THE PEOPLE WILL BE BLAMED FOR THAT.
AT LEAST SOME OF THAT BLAME WILL COME ALL ON US.
YOU GUYS ARE THERE TO LOOK OUT FOR.
AND, UH, THEN YOU THINK OF THIS, YOU, YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN THAT MOVIE BEFORE.
HOW COULD YOU DO IT AGAIN? UH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M CONCERNED WITH THAT.
UM, I'VE SEEN THIS MOVIE BEFORE, THE PROMISES THIS AND THAT AND THE APARTMENT COMPLEX GOING UP RESTAURANTS THAT I KNOW WHAT ELSE THEY HAD OUT THERE.
I'LL SAY IT'S NOT A REFLECTION ANYBODY HERE, IT'S JUST THAT WE'VE BEEN FOR, FOR THE SAKE OF PROGRESS SO WE CAN HAVE A WIN-WIN SITUATION.
I, THE STAFF HAS WORKED REALLY HARD, UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS, WHAT'S BEEN HA HAPPENING HISTORICALLY AND WE RACING, WE RACING THE CLOCK.
UH, MATT HAS INDICATED THAT WE NEED TO GET THIS DONE SO THAT WE CAN MEET THE TIMEFRAME OF GETTING THE PROPERTY VALUE AND, AND GETTING IT DONE BY THE END OF THE YEAR, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
SO LET'S, THIS IS POINT, I'M GONNA MR. CHAIR, THROUGHOUT ON THE BOARD, I KNOW WE, WE ROUTINELY, REGULARLY HAVE MEETINGS EVERY THREE MONTHS, ET CETERA.
SO I'M JUST GONNA THROW THIS ON THE FLOOR FOR DISCUSSION IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR GO.
PARDON? NOT I'M NOT THE CHAIR.
NO, I I'M, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE, I'M ON, I'M ON THE BOARD WITH YOU HERE.
WE GOT AN ISSUE WITH LEGAL LANGUAGE.
SO THE QUEST FIRST QUESTION ON, ON THE, ON THE, ON THE FLOOR.
NOW, IF WE GET THE CONCERNS THAT'S BEEN EXPRESSED TO TONIGHT ABOUT LANGUAGE, HAVING OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO LOOK AT IT, WHAT'S THE TIMEFRAME AND TURN THAT BACK AROUND SO WE CAN LOOK AT THE LANGUAGE AND COME UP WITH A VOTE AS A BOARD TO PRESENT WITHIN THE TIMEFRAME THAT, THAT YOU AND YOUR TEAM IS, IS PUSHING FOR.
WHAT WOULD BE REALISTIC? WE TALKING ABOUT TWO WEEKS, THREE WEEKS.
WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT? ONE WEEK? ONE WEEK? YEAH, SO WE, I MEAN HONESTLY THERE'S, THAT'S WHY I WAS SEARCHING THE CODE.
WE, WE CAN GET THIS DONE IN ONE WEEK.
SO THAT THE LANGUAGE THAT LAR IS TALKING ABOUT AND PATRICK CONCERNS AS WELL, WE CAN BRING THAT LANGUAGE BACK.
WE CAN HAVE ANOTHER DISCUSSION.
VOTE ON IT AND MEET YOUR TIMELINE TO WITH THE CITY COUNCIL, RIGHT? CORRECT.
I WAS SAY, I WAS JUST GONNA THROW IN A FEW MORE SORT OF BACKGROUND.
SO ANYTIME YOU TAKE THE SHILOH EXIT, YOU'RE WELCOME.
BUT THE CITY REALIZED, YOU KNOW, BACK WHEN YOU CAN'T UNDO IT, THAT NOT HAVING EXITS KIND OF ISOLATED US AND PART OF, SO ALL THOSE ARE HAPPENING, ALL THOSE EXITS WILL BE MADE.
YOU WILL HAVE SERVICE ROADS FROM MESQUITE TO DALLAS.
SO I MEAN THAT'S, THAT THAT, THAT'S PART OF THE MASTER PLAN OF THAT.
SO 6 35 WILL BE DONE, WHICH MAKES THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY, WHICH AGAIN, REALLY SMART PEOPLE.
WE HAVE BASICALLY BLIGHTED PROPERTY THAT WAS OLD, YOU KNOW, HIGHER CRIMINAL RATE, THE HYPER MART THAT WAS VACANT.
IT GETS TO WHERE THAT PROPERTY NOW IS ACCESSIBLE AND THE VALUE BECAUSE OF THE ACCESSIBILITY AND WHERE IT IS, IS INCREASED GREATLY.
ALL THE INROADS BEING ABLE TO GET IN AND OUT MAKES A BIG PROJECT A PERFECT IDEA THERE.
DRAW FOLKS IN TO SPEND THEIR MONEY HERE IN GARLAND.
SO THAT'S JUST SORT OF THE BACK PART ON DEVELOPING THAT SOUTH PART.
AND IT GENERALLY, IT TAKES FOREVER.
LITERALLY, I WAS ON COUNCIL AND THEN OFF A YEAR AND THEN MAYOR STILL FIGHTING FOR ALL THE 6 35 STUFF.
SO THAT PART, AT LEAST MAKING THAT ACCESSIBILITY IS SCHEDULED TO BE DONE 2025.
AND NOW WE JUST HAVE TO KEEP WORKING TO TRY AND BRING SOMEONE IN THAT WANTS TO DO THE HOSPITAL BECAUSE THE PATIENTS WEREN'T PAYING.
THEY, I MEAN, 'CAUSE THE VA HOSPITAL DOES A SERVICE.
THERE HAS BEEN SOME DISCUSSION AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT LANDS.
SOMEBODY BEHIND ME MAY KNOW ABOUT MORE.
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I KNOW THERE HAD BEEN SOME DISCUSSIONS OF MAYBE THE VA EVENTUALLY THERE, THEY'RE NOT EVEN A FULL HOSPITAL RIGHT NOW, BUT OF MAYBE SEEING EMERGENCIES.I KNOW STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING TRYING TO GET FOR STABILIZATION CARE.
BUT TRYING TO GET AN ANSWER THERE.
BUT IF YOU, 'CAUSE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF WEALTH IN THAT AREA.
THEY, I WOULD SAY IT'S A LOT OF RETIREES.
SO IT'S NOT EXACTLY TRUE THAT THERE'S NOT WELFARE, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF INCOME, BUT IT'S A LOT OF RETIREES THAT HAVE OWNED THEIR HOMES FOREVER.
AND LET'S FACE IT, EVERYBODY LIKES TO MOVE TOWARDS THE NEWER SHINIER PLACE AND IT JUST MAKES THAT CYCLE, IT COMES BACK AROUND.
SO AGAIN, MINE'S NOTHING MORE.
IF THEY CAN PUT IN THAT THAT MEDICAL DISTRICT GETS THIS AMOUNT.
I DON'T, I'D LOVE TO SEE IT ALL COME TOGETHER.
SO I WANT TO, IT'S GONNA BE OUR LANGUAGE, UH, TO DISPOSE OF THIS, UH, MOTION.
I, I WAS FIXING TO ASK, I WOULD JUST MOVE THAT WE HAVE A MEETING IN A WEEK OR SO.
IS THERE A DATE NEXT WEEK THAT ANYBODY IS NOT AVAILABLE NEXT WEEK? TONY'S LOOKING LIKE A MY CALENDAR WITH ME.
HALLOWEEN NIGHT AT MY HOUSE IS A NATIONAL HOLIDAY.
MAY I ASK A QUESTION RELATING TO THE LEGAL TERMINOLOGY THAT LORI'S TALKING ABOUT? I THINK WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THAT.
WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T TIE ONE COUNCIL.
THIS COUNCIL CAN'T TIE THE NEXT COUNCIL, RIGHT? SO ANYTHING WE DO COULD BE UNDONE OR DONE DIFFERENTLY BY THE NEXT COUNCIL.
IT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK HERE FOR IT TO BE DONE.
THEY CAN'T JUST UNILATERALLY DO IT.
SO IT'S KIND OF, WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE THEM NOT BE ABLE TO CHANGE SOMETHING.
I DIDN'T KNOW WE HAD THAT AUTHORITY, THIS COMMITTEE.
I DON'T SAY, WELL, FOR YOUR TIF THREE, I MEAN, IF THEY'RE GONNA CHANGE THE PARAMETERS OF TIF THREE, YOU BRING IT TO THE TIF THREE BOARD, DO YOU NOT? YES.
TO MAKE BUT, BUT AGAIN, Y'ALL'S ROLE IS TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.
WE ONLY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
SO YES, WHATEVER WE RECOMMEND, WE'VE GOTTA TRUST THE ELECTED FOLKS LIKE YOU.
SO I MEAN, WE'RE MR. SMITH TO DO, IT'S JUST LIKE I WAS ON THE, ON THE BOND COMMITTEE AND WE VERY STRONGLY RECOMMENDED, LET'S DON'T BE SITTING OUT HERE 10 YEARS FROM NOW AND HALF OF THIS NOT HAVE BEEN DONE.
AND I WILL SAY THE COUNCIL AND, AND THE CITY HAS DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB OF DOING ON THAT PROJECT.
SO MY CONCERN IS IF, YOU KNOW, IF THIS I'D LIKE, I LIKE THE PROPOSAL AND I'M READY TO VOTE FOR IT, IF IT COMES TO THE TABLE, UM, I'M, I'M PUTTING A LOT OF TRUST IN, IN THESE GENTLEMEN BECAUSE I BELIEVE THEY WON'T BRING US A, A PIG IN THE POKE.
AND I'M GONNA TRUST OUR CURRENT COUNCIL PEOPLE TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR DREAMS AND OUR CONCERNS CARRY FORWARD WITH OUR, WITH OUR RECOMMENDATION THAT WE DON'T WANNA SEE THE ORIGINAL TIF AREA NOT TAKEN CARE OF.
MINE IS MORE FOR WHO GETS ELECTED IN MAY OR THE NEXT MAY THE LANGUAGE IS THERE, OR, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN, AGAIN, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE COULD DO ANYTHING WITH THE LANGUAGE.
SO, MATT, COULD YOU ELABORATE ON THE, YOU MENTIONED THE ORDINANCE LANGUAGE RELATED TO THE, THE WAY THE TIFF IS SET UP.
HOW WOULD, HOW DOES THAT TYPICALLY LOOK? SO TYPICALLY THE WAY IT LOOKS IS YOU, THE ORDINANCE WILL SPELL OUT WHY YOU WANT TO DO THIS.
AND, UM, THE, THE EXPIRATION DATES AND THE BOUNDARIES, WHAT WE WERE PLANNING ON DOING IS ADDING IN THE ORDINANCE, THE MEDICAL DISTRICT BOUNDARIES THAT WERE AS INTENDED.
OR WE COULD SIMPLY SAY $50 MILLION OF INCREMENT REVENUE SHOULD BE EARMARKED FOR MEDICAL DISTRICT, EITHER OR.
WE WERE KIND OF GOING THE BOUNDARY WAY.
BUT YOU COULD ALSO JUST SAY $50 MILLION EARMARKED FOR THAT.
PUT IT IN THE PROJECT PLAN, PUT IT IN THE ORDINANCE.
SO IN THE ORDINANCE, THE ORDINANCE HAS TO COME BACK, RIGHT.
WE CAN SUBMIT THE LANGUAGE AND THEN SAY, NO, WE DON'T WANT IT.
BUT I WILL HAVE, I WILL HAVE MADE THIS STATEMENT AND I AM TRYING TO PROTECT WHAT THIS WAS ORIGINALLY INTENDED TO DO, REGARDLESS OF WHAT COUNCIL DOES.
IF IT STAYS IN, THEN THE NEXT PERSON THAT GETS ELECTED IN MAY LIKE,
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HEY, I WANT MONEY TO GO WHATEVER.AND IT'S LIKE, WELL, WE ONLY HAVE 50 MILLION TO NOW THEY TELL TO DO THAT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO.
I WOULD, I WOULD VOTE FOR THAT EVERY HERE ABOUT THE ORDINANCE.
AND THEY CAN MAKE THAT DECISION.
AS, YOU KNOW, ONE COUNCIL PERSON CAN'T DEMAND IT TAKES FIVE TO DO SOMETHING TO GET IT PASSED.
SO AGAIN, IF, IF IT'S EARMARKED AS THE, AS THE PROJECT PLAN CURRENTLY SITS, IT'S EARMARKED IN THAT WAY, IT'S CODIFIED IN THE ORDINANCE LANGUAGE IN THAT WAY, IT TAKES A CONCERTED EFFORT TO DO THE OPPOSITE.
IF WE, IF WE, IF OUR RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE EXPANSION, APPROVE THE TERM WITH A COSAL, THAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE AT LEAST 50 MILLION IS SPENT IN THE ORIGINAL AREA DESIGNATED AS TIF THREE.
DOES THAT SOUND LIKE WHAT YOU'RE WANTING TO SEE? OR HERE ORDERS? I WAS GONNA SAY, WELL, YEAH, THAT IS, BUT I'M THINKING WHAT MATT'S SAYING IS THEY CAN COME BACK IN A WEEK AND SHOW US THE LANGUAGE.
WE CAN, IF THAT'S THE WILL OF THE BORDER, BUT IF Y'ALL WANT TO SEE THE LANGUAGE, WE CAN COME BACK.
BUT WE OR Y'ALL CAN MAKE A MOTION HERE.
NOW THE BOARD, WE CAN MAKE A MOTION.
WE, WE CAN CRAFT A MOTION SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO ENACT COUNSEL TO EXPAND TIF THREE AND EARMARK $50 MILLION OR EARMARK THE 46 OR WHATEVER.
THE 50 MILLION WILL NOT BE SPENT OUTSIDE, OUTSIDE OF THE MEDICAL SYN.
AND AND REASON WHY I WENT BOUNDARIES IS, UH, BE CAREFUL WITH JUST EARMARKING 50, RIGHT? WELL, YEAH, WELL ABOVE THAT, UH, MAYBE AT LEAST 50 MILLION FROM THE MEDICAL DISTRICT BOUNDARIES, AT LEAST 50 MILLION STAYS WITHIN THE 50 MILLION, NO LESS THAN 50 MILLION.
DO WE, SO THAT COVERS MY CONCERNS.
IF WE YEAH, IF WE HAVE SOMEBODY WANNA PUT THAT TO A MOTION, TAKE THAT IN A MOTION THAT WE CAN ALL HEAR AT THE SAME TIME FROM NOW.
I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE EXTEND THE BOUNDARIES OF THE TIF TO WHAT WAS PRESENTED TONIGHT.
THAT WE EXTEND THE TERMS OF THE TIFF AS PRESENTED.
MAY TELL ME THAT YEAR AGAIN, 2000 DECEMBER 31ST, 2049.
2049, A CAVEAT IN OUR RECOMMENDATION THAT WE WOULD EXPECT NO LESS THAN $50 MILLION TO BE SPENT IN THE ORIGINAL TIF THREE AREA AS IT WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNATED, NO LESS THAN 50 TO REMAIN WITHIN THOSE BOUNDARIES.
$50 MILLION AS OF NOW, OR THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH IS JUST THE PROJECTION.
WE'RE, WE'RE DEALING WITH PROJECTIONS.
THERE'S ROUGHLY 2.3 MILLION RIGHT NOW IN FUND BALANCE, BUT THE REST OF THAT WOULD BE PROJECTIONS.
DOES THAT DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO? WHAT, WHAT WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH? CORRECT.
SO THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD TAKE CARE OF US DRAFTING THIS ORDINANCE.
NO LESS THAN $50 MILLION MUST BE ALLOCATED TOWARDS THE MEDICAL DISTRICT FROM THIS ZONE.
AND THEN WE, UM, I ALSO CAN, I ALSO NEED TO GET A MOTION AFTER THIS TO APPROVE THE PROJECT PLAN WITH THAT SAME CONCEPT IN IT.
WELL, WE CAN, I'LL TAKE THE SECOND.
OH, YOU DID? OH, YOU DID? OKAY.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY MR. DFOR, THE SECOND BY MS. DODSON, BY SHOW OF HANDS, ALL FOUR.
NONE AGAINST THAT WASN'T THAT HARD.
WAS IT?
THEY BETTER NOT TAKE MY 50 MILLION
NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS THE MOTION TO AGREE TO THE UPDATED REVENUE PROJECTIONS AND ESTIMATED CAPTURE VALUES BASED ON OUR PREVIOUS VOTE.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION JUST BASED UPON WHAT YOU JUST QUOTED.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO, TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE UPDATED REVENUE PREDICTIONS AND ESTIMATED CAPTURE APPRAISED VALUE BASED ON
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THE LAST PARAMETERS.WHAT PAGE IS THAT IN THIS BOOK? THAT'S GONNA ON PAGE SIX.
SO AS PRESENTED ON PAGE SIX, COLE, WOULD YOU LIKE THE SECOND? NO,
SO WE'VE BEEN OVER EVERYTHING.
WE'VE GONE OVER UPDATED THREE PROJECT LIST DESCRIPTIONS AND COSTS.
I GUESS WE GO TO OUR NEXT MEETING DATE, RIGHT? DETERMINE FUTURE MEETING DATES.
AND, UH, UH, UH, WITH THAT I ALSO WITH LIKE TO TALK ABOUT COUNCIL MEETING DATES FOR PRESENTING THE, THIS RECOMMENDATION ONCE WE GET THE LANGUAGE AND THE ORDINANCE FOR THE BOARD TO MAKE, UH, THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING I FAILED AT THE FIRST.
THIS IS Y'ALL'S RECOMMENDATION.
Y'ALL HAVE THE CHANCE TO VOICE THE, ALL THESE CONCERNS TO COUNCIL AT THAT RECOMMENDATION.
SO, UH, AS FAR AS FUTURE MEETING DATES FOR COUNSEL, I'M TRYING TO FIND THE CALENDAR.
MR. CHAIR WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, IF MATT NEEDS TO GET US BACK TOGETHER, THAT WE ALL AGREE TO STAY, UH, FLEXIBLE ON THAT IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS.
AND THAT'S WHY I, WHY I PUT IN FUTURE MEETING DATES.
DO WE WANT TO HAVE A MEETING TO PREP OR PREPARE FOR THE COUNCIL MEETINGS? SO THE COUNCIL MEETINGS, RENEE ARE 16TH AND NOVEMBER 16TH, SEVENTH, NOVEMBER 6TH AND SEVENTH, WHICH IS PROBABLY PRETTY EARLY.
NO, IT'S THE 13TH AND THE, SO 13TH AND THE 14TH IN NOVEMBER.
AND THEN DECEMBER IS THE FOURTH AND FIFTH.
SO MATT, Y'ALL, WILL Y'ALL PRESENT THIS IN THE WORK SESSION? IT'LL BE GO TO WORK SESSION FIRST AND THEN WE WILL BRING IT BACK TWO WEEKS LATER FOR THE ORDINANCE TO BE APPROVED.
AND THERE WILL ALSO BE A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO I GUESS MY, MY MAIN ASK IS DO Y'ALL WANNA MEET AGAIN AS A BOARD TO DISCUSS THAT PRESENTATION? OR DO Y'ALL JUST WANNA MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT DISCUSSION AT A COUNCIL MEETING DATE? AND WHICH COUNCIL MEETING DATE? I SAY, SO AS STAFF YOU'RE NOT GONNA PRESENT IT AS STAFF.
UH, WELL, WE'LL BE THERE, BUT WE TYPICALLY HAVE THE CHAIR OR PEOPLE IN THE AU ALL OF Y'ALL IN THE AUDIENCE AND THE CHAIR DISCUSSING THE CONCERNS OR ANY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THEY HAVE AS WELL.
BUT I'LL, I'LL GO OVER ALL THE NUMBERS AND THE MR. CHAIR, DO YOU NEED A PRACTICE SESSION WITH US? DO Y'ALL, DO YOU WANNA MEET AGAIN BEFORE THEN OR DO YOU WANNA WELL JUST GO DIRECT TO COUNCIL CHAIR AS LONG AS YOU'RE FEEL COMFORTABLE WE GOT ALL YOUR DECKS LINED UP.
BUT YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT WE'VE DONE.
I, I I THINK WE'VE ADDRESSED THE CONCERNS.
I THINK THAT AS LONG AS THE LANGUAGE IS THERE, I MEAN, I, I THINK WE'RE DOING WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
I THINK WE CAN GO STRAIGHT TO COUNCIL AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO MEET INDIVIDUALLY, SEPARATELY TO GO THROUGH WHATEVER WITH, YOU KNOW, A PORTION OF THE BOARD IF YOU'D LIKE.
PERHAPS MATT, COULD YOU HAVE HIM PUT TOGETHER A PRESENT EXACTLY.
I'LL THAT'S, YEAH, I'LL, AT THAT POINT WE CAN GET TOGETHER.
I CAN PUT IT TOGETHER MYSELF OR I CAN GIVE YOU THE INFORMATION.
WE'LL MAKE SURE YOU'RE, I'M, I'M PRETTY SHY STILL.
I SAY THAT MR. CHAIR BECAUSE I, I WANT US TO BE PROFESSIONAL AND NOT NO, I FLYING OFF THE I AGREE.
WHAT ARE YOU SAYING, MR. DUCKWORTH?
IT'S LIKE, YOU'VE NEVER MET ME.
I I'VE BEEN IN SOME OF THOSE SITUATIONS AND WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE, YOU HAVE A TENDENCY TO MAKE STUPID REMARKS.
I, IF IT WASN'T FOR STUPID REMARKS, I WOULDN'T MAKE ANY REMARKS.
UM, I'M AMONG FRIENDS, SO I'M, I'M
I, I'M, I'M HONESTLY GOOD WITH JUST GOING, I, I THINK THAT WE'VE, I THINK THAT WE'VE AIRED EVERYTHING OUT THAT WE HAD TO SAY.
I MEAN, I, I DON'T, I THINK IF WE CAME BACK IN TWO WEEKS, IT WOULD JUST BE REHASHING EVERYTHING WE'VE SAID, WHAT WE NEEDED TO SAY.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE CONFIDENT IN WHAT WE SAID AND EVERYBODY ON THIS BOARD HAS HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK AND WE'VE MADE IT KNOWN THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA HOLD SOME PEOPLE'S FEET TO THE FIRE AND WE EXPECT RESULTS.
AND I JUST, I, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
SO I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO MEET AGAIN.
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MEANT GIVES YOU A LITTLE CRITIQUE OF, TO MAKE SURE WE SAY THE THINGS WE NEED TO SAY.I'LL MAKE SURE FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE AND TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE ALL READY TO GO.
BUT OFF THE TOP, NO, I'M NOT TRYING, I'M NOT TRYING TO, NO, I LIMIT YOUR FLEXIBILITY.
BUT JUST TO MAKE SURE WE DO WHAT MATT NEEDS US TO DO AS A COMMUNITY.
YOU EMAIL ME THAT WHEN IT'S DONE THE LANGUAGE TIP.
I IF YOU
IS THAT GONNA BE NOVEMBER 13TH? YEAH, I NEED TO, THAT'S THE MAIN THING.
DO YOU WANT WHAT, WHAT WORKS FOR Y'ALL? SO WE HAVE NOVEMBER 13TH NO, BEFORE COUNSEL.
SO THAT'S THE WORK SESSION BECAUSE WE'LL THEN WE WOULD BRING IT BACK FOR APPROVAL DECEMBER 5TH 13.
SO THE PRESENTATION WOULD BE 1113 AND 12 5, 11 13 FOR THE WORK SESSION PRESENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
DECEMBER 5TH, WE WILL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AND WE CAN POST THAT NOTICE A PUBLIC HEARING AND A FORMAL ADOPTION OF THE ORDINANCE.
IF YOU GET TO TALK TWO TIMES YEAH.
AND WE CAN SEND THIS ALL OUT IN AN EMAIL AND GET YOU ALL THE DRAFT ORDINANCE LANGUAGE AS WELL AS A COPY OF ALL ELECTRONIC COPIES OF ALL PEOPLE.
DO WE WANT, I WANNA BE THERE TO SUPPORT YOU, BUT I WANNA KNOW WHAT YOUR
DO WE NEED TO DISCUSS OUR FUTURE MEETING DATE HERE? I, I THINK THAT, I DON'T THINK THAT WE CAN DO ANYTHING THAT QUICKLY BEYOND DECEMBER.
SO DO WE AS A BOARD NEED TO MEET AGAIN THIS YEAR OR WOULD YOU PUSH US INTO JANUARY? BECAUSE OUR MEETING DATES WOULD LITERALLY PUT US AT THE END OF DECEMBER WITH CHRISTMAS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO, WELL ON DECEMBER THE FIFTH.
WELL, I WILL SAY THAT I MENTIONED THAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WAS INTERESTED IN THIS, IN THE COUNTY.
UM, DEPENDING ON HOW QUICKLY I CAN GET DECISIONS ON THOSE, THERE MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE THIS ALL OVER AGAIN.
BUT FOR, TO ADD SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY TO THIS PLAN, I, I, I VOW THAT I WILL REMAIN FLEXIBLE IF YOU NEED ME.
BUT I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD SCHEDULE RIGHT NOW.
I THINK WE PICK UP OUR REGULAR MEETINGS IN JANUARY.
AND WE WILL NOTIFY YOU IF THERE'S ANYTHING OF URGENT MATTER AND WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN'T WORK AROUND Y'ALL SCHEDULE.
SO WHAT DATE WOULD THAT BE IN JANUARY? THAT WOULD BE THE THIRD WEDNESDAY.
FOURTH WEDNESDAY? YEAH, WE USUALLY DO THE, IS IT THIRD WEDNESDAY? WHAT DATE IS THAT? YOU'VE GOT THE CALENDAR.
WEDNESDAY IS JANUARY 17TH, 24TH, RIGHT.
DID WE DO THIRD OR DO WE DO FOURTH? THIRD? I THOUGHT IT WAS THIRD.
BUT I THINK THIS ONE, I THINK THERE WAS A CONFLICT ON THE CITY CALENDAR FOR LAST WEEKEND OR LAST WEEK.
YEAH, WE USUALLY DO THE THIRD.
UM, YEAH, SO 1 17 24 FOR FUTURE AND THEN 13TH OF NOVEMBER FOR THE WORK SESSION PRESENTING TO COUNSEL ON THE FIFTH.
SO 13TH WORK SESSION PRESENTATION AND THE FIFTH WE'LL GET A, THAT'S FINE.
PATRICK, YOU SET JANUARY 24TH.
THAT, AND WE CAN SEND CALENDAR INVITES OUT ON ALL THIS AS WELL.
MA'AM, MAY I ASK YOU A QUESTION? YOU, YOU, IS THE PARTICIPATION OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT FROM A TAX STANDPOINT OR AN ACTUAL PHYSICAL PRESENCE DOWN THERE, BOTH
BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN RELUCTANT TO DO THAT PREVIOUSLY, HAVEN'T THEY? YEAH.
I'M NOT SURE IT WASN'T A DEVELOPMENTAL ISSUE OR A TAX ISSUE.
UH, RIGHT NOW WE'RE, WELL, RIGHT NOW WE'RE HAVING DISCUSSIONS WITH BOND COUNCILS ON TAX ISSUES, BUT WE'LL GET, WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING TO GET ALL THAT WORKED OUT AND THEN, BUT NOTHING SET IN STONE RIGHT NOW.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER? THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR PUTTING UP WITH US.
I, I KNOW YOU WANNA THROW STUFF AT US TONIGHT, BUT QUESTIONS? NO, THEY WERE ALL GREAT QUESTIONS.