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GOOD EVENING. WELCOME TO THE MARCH 25TH MEETING OF THE GARLAND PLAN COMMISSION. THIS IS OUR WORK SESSION PORTION OF THE MEETING, WHICH WE GET STAFF BRIEFINGS AND DISCUSS THE CASES AND AT SEVEN O'CLOCK. UH AND ONCE WE'RE DONE WITH THAT WE WILL GO INTO RECESS COME BACK AT SEVEN O'CLOCK FOR A PUBLIC HEARING PORTION. GOOD EVENING. PARDON? OK LET ME MAKE SURE YOUR MICROPHONE'S ON WHACK NUTS. UH, VIDEO LOOKS. UH, LIGHTING VIDEO AUDIO CONTROL. WHO DO YOU, MIKE? YEAH, TRY IT NOW. PODIUM, MIC. IT SHOULD BE ON YEAH, IT JUST HELLO. THERE WE GO. OK YOU AND I WERE HITTING THE BUTTONS TOGETHER AND TURNING IT ON AND OFF. ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING AGAIN EVENING. ANY, UH, QUESTIONS ON THEIR CONSENT AGENDA. SEE NONE. OK? NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE 23-28 THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO CONSTRUCT A SENIOR ASSISTED LIVING COMPLEX WITH 20 DWELLING UNITS. HERE'S THE CASE INFORMATION THE ACREAGES, APPROXIMATELY 2.373 ACRES. AND THE EXISTING ZONING IS PLAN DEVELOPMENT. UH, DISTRICT 17-25 FOR MULTIFAMILY USE. HERE'S THE CITY WIDE LOCATION MAP. THE RED STAR SHOWS THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. HERE'S THE LOCATION MAP AND THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS OUTLINED IN THE TEAL BLUE COLOR. AND THE SUCH A PROPERTY WASAS PREVIOUSLY DEVELOPED WITH A BUILDING AND IT WAS USED FOR A NURSING HOME AND IT WAS DEVELOPED. IT WAS DEMOLISHED BACK IN 2021, AND THE SITE IS, UM, ZONED FOR ASSISTED LIVING USE. AND THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE MAINLY SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT. THE FEATURE LAND USE MAP OF THE VISION. GARLAND PLANT DESIGNATES THE SITE AS COMPACT NEIGHBORHOODS. AND COMPACT NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT TYPE IS PRIMARILY CHARACTERIZED AS MODERATE. RESIDENTIAL BETWEEN 6 TO 12 DWELLING UNITS BREAKER.
THE PROPOSED NET DENSITY IS 8.4 DWELLING UNITS BREAKER. THEREFORE THE DEVELOPMENT IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. PER THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN.
ADDITIONAL DENSITY INCREASES SALES TAX AND SUPPORTS EXISTING BUSINESSES. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WILL PROVIDE ADDITIONAL HOUSING TO THE AREA FOR SENIORS. HERE ARE SOME SITE PHOTOS. THE LEFT ONE IS VIEW OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. FROM CASTLE AND THEN TO THE RIGHT IS NORTH OF THE SUBJECT. PROPERTY. THAT'S THE SINGLE FAMILY. DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN TO THE LEFT, IS EAST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. AND TO THE RIGHT IS WEST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. AND HERE IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN. THE PROPOSED USE IS FOR ASSISTED LIVING. UM PD IS ALSO CURRENTLY FOR ASSISTED LIVING AS WELL. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A TOTAL OF 1220 DWELLING UNITS AND A TOTAL OF FOUR BUILDINGS. EACH BUILDING WOULD HAVE FIVE DWELLING UNITS AND THE ACCESS WOULD BE FROM CASTLE DRIVE. AND, UM THERE'S ALSO AN INTERNAL COURTYARD, UM THAT RESIDENTS CAN USE THE SITE ALSO, UH, COMPLIES WITH THE PARKING REQUIREMENT. AND HERE IS THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPE PLAN. THE G DC REQUIRES, UH, FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT REQUIRES 2000 SQUARE FOOT OF INDOOR COMMON, UH, RECREATIONAL AREA, WHICH IS REQUIRED FOR ASSISTED LIVING DEVELOPMENTS. AND BECAUSE THIS LAYOUT IS MORE LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL STYLE DEVELOPMENT THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO WAIVE THAT REQUIREMENT, UH, BECAUSE EACH UNIT DOES HAVE ITS OWN LIVING SPACE AND KITCHEN AND , UH, DINING SPACE. AND SO, UH, RESIDENTS CAN UTILIZE THAT AS WELL AS THE INTERNAL COURTYARD, WHICH HAS SOME, UM SEATING AREA AND APPLICANTS, UH RESIDENTS CAN ENJOY THAT SPACE. AND T APPLICANT IS ALSO PROPOSING, UM PEMETER SCREENING, UH, WHICH WILL BE A ORNAMENTAL FENCE TO THE NORTH, EAST AND SOUTH WITH MASONRY COLUMNS. UM ANDHEN TO THE WEST. THERE IS AN EXISTING WOOD FENCE THAT, UM, WILL REMAIN AND I JUST ALSO WANT TO POINT
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OUT IN A PD 1725 SIMILAR SCREENING METHOD WAS APPROVED WHERE, UH, THERE WAS ORNAMENTAL FENCE ALONG THE NORTHEAST AND SOUTH AND THE WOOD FENCE WOULD REMAIN AND THE SITE DOES COMPLY WITH THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT, WHICH IS 40. HERE, THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS AND, UH, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDING DESIGN STANDARDS, WHICH REQUIRES A MINIMUM OF THREE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS, RATHER THAN THE SIX ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR A MULTIFAMILY AND NON RESIDENTS DEVELOPMENT. AND HERE'S THE REST OF THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS. AND HERE ARE THE FLEXIBILITIES THAT ARE REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT. THE FIRST ONE IS SCREENING. THE APPLICANT IS NOT PROPOSING A DENSE ROW OF HIGH LEVEL SCREENING SHRUBS ALONG THE ORNAMENTAL FENCE WITH MAMASONRY COLUMNS DUE TO THE SIT CONFIGURATION AND LARGE DRAINAGE EASEMENTS. THE SECOND ONE IS AMENITIES. UM, THE APPLIC. THIS DEVELOPMENT REQUIRES 2000 SQUARE FOOT OF INDOOR RECREATIONAL SPACE AND PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS A LOW DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL STYLE ASSISTED LIVING AND EACH DWELLING UNIT WILL HAVE A PORCH WHICH WILL OVER LOOK AND PROVIDE ACCESS TO A PLANTED INTERIOR GARDEN ENVIRONMENT. THIS COMMON AREA IS MEANT TO CREATE OPPORTUNITY FOR CONNECTIONS WITHIN THE INDIVIDUAL STRUCTURE, ALLOWING FOR RESIDENTS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SIT AND GATHER WITH NATURAL LIGHT AND AIR. IT IS MEANT TO ENCOURAGE CONNECTION TO THE INTERNAL GARDEN AREA. THE SPACES, THEN INTERLOCK TO ENCOURAGE CONNECTIONS TO OTHER STRUCTURES THAT DEVELOPMENT DEVELOPINGNG A SENSE OF COMMUNI. A TOTAL OF 2932 SQUARE FOOT OF TOTAL COMMON AREAS PROVIDED BY THESE PORCHES. AND THE NEXT ONE IS BUILDING DESIGN. THIS PROPOSAL FITS THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDING DESIGN STANDARDS. UM THEREFORE THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING THESE THREE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS IN LIEU OF THE SIX ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR A CONVENTIONAL MULTIFAMILY AND NON-RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS.STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF AN AMENDMENT TO PD 1725 AND A DETAILED PLAN FOR AN ELDER CARE ASSISTED LIVING USE. AND WE MAILED OUT. 100 AND 26 LETTERS, AND WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY RESPONSES. I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. I CONTROVERSIAL THEN. ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION, COMMISSIONER DALTON FOR SOME REASON, I DIDN'T GO INTO QUE I WENT STRAIGHT TO MIKE ON OR I'LL TAKE CARE OF THAT. DON'T WORRY, UM NOT JUST TURN ME OFF. THAT'S OK. OK IT'S AN ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY, WHICH WOULD INDICATE TO ME THERE IS SOMEONE GOING TO BE RENDERING ASSISTANCE. WHERE IS THAT PERSON GOING TO BE THAT WILL BE RENDERING ASSISTANCE TO THESE RESIDENTS. GOOD QUESTION. UM I'M SURE THE APPLICANT WILL EXPAND ON THE SPECIFICS OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. BECAUSE I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE THE DEFINING LINE BETWEEN ASSISTED LIVING AND INDEPENDENT LIVING WHERE THERE'S NOT ANYONE THERE TO TAKE CARE OF , OR HELP YOU. I SHOULD SAY OK, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER. I THINK THAT WELL, THERE WE GO. COMMISSIONER CORNELIUS. I WAS INQUIRING ABOUT THE INTERNAL GARDEN AREA IS THERE ANY RENDERINGS OF THAT SPACE. I DIDN'T SEE IT SPECIFICALLY WHERE WE COULD SEE THAT THAT AREA. I MAY HAVE MISSED IT, BUT THE APPLICANT DID NOT PROVIDE THAT, BUT I'LL JUST POINT OUT. UM IT'S MAINLY IN THIS AREA. THERE'S SOME, UM, GARDEN SPACE. AND THEN THERE'S SOME BENCHES THAT AND THEN THIS IS THE LAWN FOR THE UM DWELLING UNITS, BUT IT'S MAINLY IN THESE AREAS. UM, THAT, UM, THE RESIDENTS CAN SIT OK, AND WILL THE RESIDENTS BE RESPONSIBLE FOR KEEPING THAT GARDEN AREA UP? OR IS THERE A MAINTENANCE CREW? OK? THANK YOU. YOU AND I BELIEVE, UH I MAY BE GETTING SOME STUFF CONFUSED, BUT I THINK THAT GRASSY AREA IN THOSE COURTYARDS IS AN ARTIFICIAL TURF, SO IT SHOULD BE A NICE EVEN UH, AREA FORM TO WALK ON NO HOLES AND DITCHES AND STUFF. OKAY OH, I DO LOVE THE NEW TERM. YOU'RE USING FLEXIBILITIES. THAT'S A GOOD ONE BETTER THAN DEVIATIONS. OK ALL RIGHT. I THINK THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. MM.
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GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. THE UH, SECOND CASE TONIGHT IS, UH Z 24 04. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A SPECIFIC USE PROVISION FOR A USED GOOD RETAIL SALES INDOORS.USE UH, THE SITE IS LOCATED A T 5501 BROADWAY BOULEVARD SUITE 105. IT'S A, UH, TWO ACRE SITE AND THE, UH, TENANT SPACE IS ONLY 530 SQUARE FEET. UH, WITHIN THE STRIP MALL. IT IS, UH, CURRENTLY ZONED PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 1840. THIS IS WHERE THE SITE IS LOCATED WITHIN THE CITY.
AND THIS IS WHERE THE SITE IS LOCAD WITHIN THE GENERAL AREA. UM AS YOU CAN SEE, IT IS LARGELY SURROUNDED BY RETAIL, UM FROM NEARLY EVERY DIRECTION EXCEPT FOR THE WEST. UM THIS, UH, COMMUNITY RETAIL. ZONING UH, CONTAINS MANY, UH, RESTAURANTS, RETAIL STORES, UH, OFFICE SPACE, UH, MEDICAL DENTAL OFFICE. AH, VETERINARIAN, ETCETERA, UM OTHER THINGS YOU'D EXPECT TO SEE AND TO THE WEST IS ALSO PD 1840, BUT FOR A SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT AS WELL AS A, UH SF SEVEN. UH, SUBDBDIVISION. THE COMP PLAN HAS THIS FOR NEIGHBORHOOD CENTERS. THE FUTURE. LEN USE MAP AND VISIONS, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD CENTERS, WHICH PROVIDE A MIX OF RETAIL SERVICES AND COMMUNITY GATHERING PLACES THE USE AS RETAIL BUSINESS ACTIVITY TO THE AREA AND IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. PER THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN. THE PROPOSAL IS CONSIDERED PART OF THE RETAIL STRIP BUILDING TYPE AND WILL GENERATE SALES TAX FOR THE CITY. YOU ARE PHOTOS OF THE SITE LOOKING WEST TOWARD THE SUBJECT, PROPERTY AND LOOKING EAST ACROSS BROADWAY BOULEVARD TO OTHER, UH, COMMUNITY RETAIL ZONE DEVELOPMENT. YOU ARE MORE PHOTOS LOOKING NORTH AND SOUTH ON BROADWAY BOULEVARD. HERE IS THE SITE PLAN. UH, FOR THE SUP, AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, IT, UH, DESIGNATES WHERE THE SITE IS. AND WHERE THE SUITE IS WITHIN THE, UH, WHOLE RETAIL STRIP. UM AS FOR THE BUSINESS, UH, THE BUSINESS ITSELF WILL SELL A NEW AND USED GOODS. UM GIVE GOODS LIKE THIS WILL INCLUDE FURNITURE. UH, KITCHEN ITEMS, HOME DECOR, GENERAL HOUSEHOLD ITEMS, CLOTHING, KIDS TOYS. UM ETCETERA AND SUCH. UM, AND THE GOAL OF THIS BUSINESS IS TO PROVIDE MORE OF A MIDDLE GROUND BETWEEN A TRADITIONAL RETAIL STORE AND A, UH, TRADITIONAL THRIFT STORE. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A 20 YEAR SPECIFIC USE PROVISION. THE SUP TIME PERIOD GUIDE RECOMMENDS 20 TO 30 YEARS FOR A USED GOODS.
RETAIL SALES INDOORS USE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF A SPECIFIC USE PROVISION FOR A USED GOODS, RETAIL SALES, INDOOR USE AND A PLAN ON A PROPERTY ZONED PD DISTRICT 1840. WE SENT OUT 100 35 NOTIFICATION LETTERS WE RECEIVED FOUR AND A ALL FOUR WERE WITHIN THE NOTIFICATION AREA AND AGAINST THE REQUEST. I'M OPEN TO ANY QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER DALTON THEN COMMISSIONER ROSE THANK YOU. I RECALL A LOT OF DISCUSSION CONCERNING A USED GOODS STORE.
TAKING PLACE AT CENTERVILLE AND BROADWAY SOMETIME BACK. UM AND THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERN OVER WHAT THIS PRODUCT WOULD BE. I AM I GOING TO A GARAGE SALE WHERE THERE'S ALL THIS LESS THAN ATTRACT YOUR PRODUCT. OR AS YOU JUST SAID. FURNITURE AND THINGS OF THIS NATURE AND DIFFERENCE TO THAT. UM IS THIS A SINGLE OWNER? RENTALS SPOT, UM, LIKE DUSTY ATTIC AND MESQUITE. IS IT A BUILDING THAT THEY'RE GONNA RENT OUT INDIVIDUAL SPACES INSIDE, OR IS IT ONE OPERATOR WHO'S GOING TO B DOING ALL OF THIS? UM, THIS IS, UH ONE BUSINESS WITHIN JUST ONE SUITE WITHIN THE, UH, RETAIL STRIP. UM THERE ISN'T GOING TO BE VARIOUS SELLERS. JUST THE UH UM, APPLICANT. SO ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. AND IT IS, UH, 530 SQUARE FEET, SO IT'S NOT THAT BIG. YEAH. COMMISSIONER ROSE YOU HAD ONE INDIVIDUAL. UH, SUBMIT FOUR NEGATIVE. VOTES. BUT THEY DIDN'T EXPLAIN. WHY DID ANYONE EVER TALK TO YOU? WHY THEY'RE SAYING THEY DON'T WANT IT. NO, SIR. WE DON'T KNOW WHY
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THEY DON'T WANT IT. I AM NOT AWARE, OKAY? UH FOUR CONSECUTIVE ADDRESSES OF I UNDERSTAND ALL THAT TO USE ACROSS THE STREET, BUT IT'S PROBABLY ACROSS THE STREET. I DIDN'T LOOK. IT'S ACROSS THE STREET. IT'S AUTO REPAIR SHOPS AND STUFF LIKE THAT ACROSS THE STREET. OK? YES, SIR.IT IS ACROSS BROADWAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I BELIEVE THAT'S IT FOR THIS ONE. THANK YOU, SIR.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE 2411 THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO CONSTRUCT A RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE THROUGH AND IT'S A SWIG. HERE'S THE CASE INFORMATION. THE ACREAGE IS APPROXIMATELY 1.15 ACRES AND THE EXISTING ZONING IS PD 99-49 FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE USES. HERE'S THE CITYWIDE LOCATION MAP AND THE RED STAR SHOWS THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. AND HERE'S THE LOCATION MAP. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS OUTLINED IN THE TEAL BLUE COLOR. AND PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH ARE ZONE PD 83-1 43, AND THERE'S RESIDENTIAL USES AND TO THE EAST ACROSS HOLFORD ROAD IS AGRICULTURAL. IT'S CURRENTLY VACANT. TO THE SOUTH ACROSS ARAPAHOE ROAD IS PD 08-45, AND IT'S CURRENTLY VACANT AND THEN TO THE WEST. UM IS MP D 02-28.
THERE IS A STORAGE FACILITY AND THE, UH, PROPERTY IS, UH, AT THE CORNER OF HOLFORD ROAD IN ARAPAHO ROAD. THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF THE ENVISION GARLAND PLAN DESIGNATES THE SITE AS NEIGHBORHOOD CENTERS. THE PROPOSED USE COMPLIES WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND OFFERS A SUPPORTIVE USE TO THE SURROUNDING AREA. HERE ARE SOME PHOTOS. THE LEFT ONE IS VIEW OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. AND TO THE RIGHT IS EAST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. AND LEFT PICTURES NORTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. THE RIGHT IS WEST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. AND HERE IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN. IT IS FOR A RESTAURANT WITH A DRI THROUGH IT IS CALLED SWIG. UM AND FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, UM, THAT BE USING THEY'D BE MAKING VARIOUS SODAS AND THEY USE DOCTOR PEPPER AND COKE AS THE BASE AND THEY, UM, ADD PUREE, SYRUPS CREAMS AND CREATE SOME VERY CREATIVE DRINKS. AND THE PROPOSED SQUARE FOOTAGE IS 705 SQUARE FEET AND ACCESS WOULD BE FROM ARAPAHO ROAD AND HOLFORD ROAD. AND IT DOES MEET THE PARKING REQUIREMENT. HERE IS THE LANDSCAPE PLAN. AND THE GDC REQUIRES PERIMETER SCREENING TO THE NORTH OF THE PROPERTY. UM THE APP. THIS LANDSCAPE PLAN DOES SHOW AN 8 FT MASONRY WALL. BUT IT DOES STOP. UM RIGHT AROUND HERE ON MY CURSOR IS IT DOES NOT EXTEND ALL THE WAY TO HOLFORD ROAD BECAUSE THERE IS A DRAINAGE EASEMENT AND A LARGE POWER POLE AND OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT DID NOT SUPPORT EXTENDING, UM, THAT ALL THE WAY TO HOLFORD SO THAT, UM, INSTEAD, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING SOME SCREENING SHRUBS TO SCREEN THAT DEVELOPMENT AND ALSO THE LARGE CANOPY TREES ARE REQUIRED TO BE ALONG THE MASONRY WALL. BUT BECAUSE THIS IS ALL EASEMENT, THEY'RE PROPOSING IT CLOSER TO THE EDGE OF THE DRIVE THROUGH. AND UM, THE SITE DOES MEET ALL OTHER LANDSCAPING STANDARDS. AND HERE, THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS AND THE DISC COMPLY WITH THE BUILDING DESIGN STANDARDS FOR THE G DC. THE PROPOSAL IS CONSIDER A STAND ALONE COMMERCIAL PER THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN. THIS CATEGORY REPRESENTS A PROPERTY TAX REVENUE PER ACRE AT $5380.
IN ADDITION, THE PROPOSAL WILL ADD SALES TAX REVENUE TO THE CITY. HERE ARE THE CONSIDERATIONS. THE FIRST ONE IS A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE USES TO COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT, UM, AND THE RESTAURANT WITH DRIVE THROUGH REQUIRES A, UM SEP IN THE COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT FOR THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THE APPROVAL OF A 25 YEAR. SEP THE SEP TIME PERIOD GUIDE RECOMMENDS A RANGE OF 20 TO 25 YEARS. AND THE NEXT ONE IS, UM THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A VARIANCE TO SECTION 4.39 OF THE G DC REGARDING SCREENING AND LANDSCAPING. AND THAT'S FOR THE SCREENING TO THE NORTH. UH, WHERE, UM, THE MASONRY WALL IS ALL THE WAY TO HOLFORD ROAD. SO RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 99-49 FOR NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE USES TO
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COMMUNITYY RETAIL DISTRICT A SPECIFIC USE PROVISION FOR A DRIVE THRU RESTAURANT USE AND A VARIANCE TO SECTION 4.39 OF THE G DC REGARDING PERIMETER SCREENING ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. AND WE MAILED OUT. 78 LETTERS AND YOU RECEIVE TWO WITHIN A NOTIFICATION AREA IN FAVOR OF THE REQUEST. ONE WITHIN A NOTIFICATION AGAINST THE REQUEST TO OUTSIDE OF THE NOTIFICATION AREA AGAINST THE REQUEST, AND WE RECEIVE A TOTAL OF FIVE RESPONSES. YOU HAVE TO ANSWER A QUESTION, COMMISSIONER DALTON GETTING UP FIRST EVER TIME THIS TONIGHT, AREN'T I, UM, THE TWO ENTRANCE EXITS. THE FACILITY LOOKING AT THIS THERE IS NO CUT THROUGH ON EITHER ONE OF THE TWO STREETS SO EXITING WILL BE RIGHT. TURN ONLY PROBABLY. OK, THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER ROSE AND THEN COMMISSIONER JENKINS ARE WILL THERE BE INDOOR SEATING WHERE PEOPLE CAN WORK OR EAT? UH OR IS THIS ALL DRIVE THROUGH? THIS IS ALL DRIVE THROUGH. BUT THERE ARE A FEW BENCHES THAT ARE ARE IN THE INTERNAL. THERE'S THIS OPEN SPACE. AND THERE IS I BELIEVE TWO BENCHES THAT, UM, IF ANYBODY WANTS TO, THEY CAN USE THAT. AND THE REASON I ASK IS BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A VERY LARGE AMOUNT OF PARKING ENOUGH TO SATISFY THE WORKERS. PROBABLY THANK YOU. THANK YOU ANY ANYTHING ELSE? UH, UM I KIND OF ON A FENCE ON THIS ONE. YOUR FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAVE TO HELP ME OUT ON THIS ONE TONIGHT, BUT UM, YOU DID ANSWER MY MASONRY WALL WITH THAT MAY HAVE BEEN IN THE REPORT IF I MISSED IT. I'M SORRY ABOUT WHY IT DIDN'T GO ALL THE WAY TO THE END, AND I KNOW NOTICES A DRAINAGE DITCH THERE, AND ONE OF THE LETTERS SAID THEY HOPE THEY TAKE THE DRAINAGE TO STITCH OUT. AND I GUESS THAT'S UP TO EXCUSE ME ENGINEERING TO FIGURE OUT WHETHER THEY STILL NEED THAT OR NOT. AND WHEN THEY PUT THE DRAINAGE, UH, THE WALL IN IT'LL TAKE OUT SOME OF THE TREES BACKING UP TO THE HOUSES, AND I HAD AN ISSUE WITH THAT AND THOUGHT MAYBE WE COULD STOP IT. BUT THEN ONE OF THE LETTERS SAID, YEAH, TAKE THE TREES OUT. PUT THE WALL IN. SO FAR I'M BATTING 1000. I'M BEING WRONG ON ALL THIS STUFF. UH BUT IT'S THE USE. THAT KIND OF BOTHERS ME. NOT NECESSARILY. THE ACTUAL USE, BUT THIS SITE IS NOT CONDUCIVE TO THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE A SPAGHETTI OF ONE WAY ROADS TWO WAY ROADS TO SERVICE ONE LITTLE 700 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING, SO TO ME, IT'S NOT QUITE THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE. AND THAT'S THE NATURE OF THE SITE AND THE CIRCULATION. UH SO THAT'S MY QUANDARY IS AND I ALSO NOTICED THAT, UH THE UM LOADING ZONE IS RIGHT OUT THERE BY THE STREET AND I. I KNOW THAT'S KIND OF A MANDATORY THING, AND I'D BE WILLING TO WAIVE THAT ONE. SO IT'S MORE GREENERY ALONG. H FOR THERE, CAUSE I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GONNA GET 18 WHEELERS SUPPLYING THAT BUILDING. AND THEY'VE GOT PLENTY OF PLACES THAT COULD RUN. BUT IT'S JUST THE LAYOUT IN USE. AND YOU'VE GOT YOU KNOW, AN ACRE OF PARK OF DRIVEWAY TO SERVICE, A AND THIS IS THE KIND OF BUILDING I WOULD EXPECT THAT WE'VE BEEN PUTTING IN UH, SHOPPING CENTERS WHERE THEY HAD THE CIRCULATION PATTERN . ALREADY THEY TAKE OUT A FEW SPACES, WHICH THEY CAN DO NOW WITH THE RELAXED PARKING REQUIREMENTS WERE PUT IN 2015. I GUESS SO THE THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHY I'M ON THE FENCE ABOUT THIS ONE. COMMISSION, DALTON I MAY WAIT TILL THE PUBLIC MEETING TO MAKE MY COMMENT. OK, THANK YOU. THAT'S FINE. ALL RIGHTY. COMMISSIONER CORNELIUS I IN A WAY BECAUSE I SHARE YOUR FEELING ABOUT JUST WHERE IT IS AND HOW IT'S LOCATED AND SITUATED. IT JUST DIDN'T SEEM LIKE THAT WOULD BE A GOOD USE OF LAND, SO I WANT TO HEAR UH, DURING THE PUBLIC PORTION, BUT I'M ON THE FENCE AS WELL. ALRIGHT, WELL, I BRING IT UP. SO THE APPLICANT IS AWARE OF YOU KNOW WHAT MAY BE COMING AT HIM AND EVERYTHING AND IT'S JUST THE FIVE OF US RIGHT NOW, AND THIS IS AND I'LL PROBABLY STATE THIS AGAIN AT THE MEETING THE WAY OUR BYLAWS ARE ITS MAJORITY OF THE COMMISSION TO PASS ANYTHING SO AS IT STANDS NOW. WE WOULD HAVE TO BE UNANIMOUS VOTE FIVE VOTES FOR ANY MOTION TO PASS. BUT COUNCIL WILL STILL HEAR OUR DEBATES BACK AND FORTH, AND THAT'S THE INPUT THAT THEY WANT TO VOTE IS SECONDARY TO THEM, OK? THANK YOU.COMMISSIONER C JENKINS. I'M SORRY, MR CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MA'AM, CAN YOU PLEASE RESTATE THE UM, CAN YOU PLEASE RESTATE THE UNDERLYING ZONING? UH, SO THAT IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED PD WHATEVER NOW, BUT THE BASE ZONING. UM AND THEN WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO MOVE IT TO. YES UH, THE CURRENT ZONING IS PD 99-49 FOR NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE USES AND THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO
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REZONE TO COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT WITH THE SEP. UM AND I ALSO WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THIS IS, UM AT THE INTERSECTION OF HOLFORD ROAD IN ARAPAHO, WHICH ARE TWO A LARGER THOROUGHFARES, WHICH IS, UM MORE APPRO APPROPRIATE FOR A COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT. YEAH, GOOD.GOOD EVENING, THE CHAIRMAN COMMISSIONERS. I'LL TAKE THE NEXT TWO ITEMS. UH, THIS, UM NEXT ITEM IS A SCREENING AND LANDSCAPE VARIANCE CASE. UH SL 24-01 THE APPLICANT REQUEST A VARIANCE TO SECTION 4.29 C 10 OF THE G DC REQUIRING COMPLIANCE OF SCREENING AND LANDSCAPE AS LANDSCAPING. UH, REQUIREMENTS FOR AN UPGRADED PARKING LOT. UH, WHAT'S TRIGGERING THIS REQUEST IS THE G DC, UM, STATES THAT, UM IF YOU ARE, UM UPGRADING A PARKING LOT FROM, UH, IN THE FOR EXAMPLE, IN IN THIS CASE, ASPHALT TO CONCRETE. UM IT DOES TRIGGER, UH, SCREENING AND LANDSCAPING VARIANTS, WHEREAS UM, AS OPPOSED TO JUST REPAVING AN EXIING ASPHALT TO NEW ASPHALT. IT WOULD NOT TRIGGER THAT. BUT UM, IT IS, UM IT IS STAYED IN THE G DC, SO THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING SOME RELIEF FROM DOING THAT. IT'S AN EXISTING SITE WITH WITH IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH WILL LOOK AT HERE IN THE NEXT FEW THOUGHT, UH, SLIDES. UH, THE LOCATION IS 409 AND 411 EAST WALNUT STREET, AND THE ACRES OF THE SITE IS JUST OVER HALF AN ACRE IN SIZE, AND IT IS OWN INDUSTRIAL THERE IS A CURRENT BUILDING ON THE SITE. ALTHOUGH IT DOES NOT. IT'S NOT CURRENTLY, UM UH, BEING OCCUPIED AS I UNDERSTAND. UH, BUT REGARDLESS OF THE USE, THE, UM REQUEST HAS TO DO WITH THE PAVING. UH, HERE IS THE EXCUSE ME. HERE'S THE SITE, UH, OUTLINED IN TEAL HERE, UH, IT IS ACCESS FROM BOTH EAST WALNUT STREET AND, UH, WALNUT CIRCLE EAST. THERE'S A DRIVEWAY LOCATION ALONG ONE NIGHT AND THEN ALONG THE SIDE STREET AS WELL. AGAIN, IT IS ZONED INDUSTRIAL EXISTING BUILDING. THE APPLICANT IS NOT PROPOSING ANY BUILDING EXPANSIONS OR ANYTHING AT THIS TIME. IT IS JUST A MATTER OF, UM, AT LEAST AT THIS TIME WITH HIS PERMIT REQUEST REGARDING REPAVING AN EXISTING, UH OR PAVING OVER AN EXISTING ASPHALT, UM, PORTION OF THE PARKING LOT TO CONCRETE. AND HERE ARE SOME PHOTOS OF THE SITE. UM JUST SOME DIFFERENT VIEWS OF THE SITE. YOU CAN KINDA ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT. YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE DIFFERENCE. THIS IS THE CONCRETE WHICH, UM, THAT'S ALREADY UPGRADED. UH, BUT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO UPGRADE IF YOU CAN SEE OVER HERE, UM THE ASPHALT PARKING SPACE AND YOU CAN SEE IT MORE IN THE FOREGROUND HERE. SO THIS AREA WE CAN KIND OF SEE THE DARKER SURFACE. UH, A LITTLE BIT AGED. UM, THAT'S THE ASPHALT, UM , SURFACE THAT THE APPLICANT WISHES TO UPGRADE TO CONCRETE. AND THEY'RE THEY'RE JUST KIND OF A ZOOM IN OF THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE, UM ASPHALT THAT HE WOULD LIKE TO REPLACE. AND, OF COURSE, THE CONCRETE AND SOME ADDITIONAL PHOTOS OF THE AREA. THIS IS LOOKING EAST FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. UM THIS ONE OVER HERE IS ACTUALLY LOOKING NORTH. UM YOU CAN KIND OF SEE SOME OTHER PROPERTIES THAT THAT'S KIND OF A MIX REALLY LOOKS LIKE THERE'S SOME EXISTING ASPHALT, BUT SOME UPGRADED CONCRETE PARKING LOTS AS WELL. AND THEN THIS IS LOOKING TO THE WEST. FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
AND THEN SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT. PROPERTY, OF COURSE, IS THE RAILROAD. UM HERE'S THE SITE PLAN. REALLY AS THE IMPROVEMENTS , UH, EXIST TODAY. AGAIN THE APPLICANT IS NOT PROPOSING ANY BUILDING EXPANSION. IT'S JUST A MATTER OF, UM, UH, PARKING LOT PAVING. UM THE APPLICANT IS SHOWING A CONVERSATION WE HAD EARLY ON WAS, UM YOU KNOW, UH, PERHAPS TO ACHIEVE SOME TYPE OF PARTIAL LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS PROVIDE SOMETHING. UM SO WE TALKED ABOUT HAVING SOME, UH, SHRUBS OR SOME PLANTERS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT OUT IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING. UM OR WE WOULD HAVE TO WORK WITH HIM, UM, A LITTLE BIT TO KIND OF NOT BLOCK THE WALKING PATH OR INTERFERE WITH CARS PARKING IF THERE'S NO CURB STOPS, AND THAT SORT OF THING, BUT THERE MAY BE AT LEAST AN OPPORTUNITY OUT BY THE ENTRANCE, THE DOORWAY ENTRANCE OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE. AND THE APPLICANT WAS WILLING TO SHOW TO COMPLY WITH THAT, AS YOU CAN SEE. HERE, IT SHOWS SOME BUSHES, BOXWOOD SHRUB TYPYPE. OT IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING TO, UH, TRY TO PROVIDE SOMETHING. UM SO THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A VARIANCE TO SECTION 4.29 C 10 PER THE GARLAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, IF AN ASPHALT OR OTHERWISE SUBSTANDARD SURFACE PARKING LOT IS VOLUNTARILY OR INVOLUNTARILY RECONSTRUCTED TO MEET CURRENT STANDARDS. THE NEW, UH, NEWLY CONSTRUCTED PARKING LOT IS SUBJECT TO THE REQUIREMENTS, THE SCREENING AND LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS. UH, THE APPLICANT
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PROPOSES TO UPGRADE THE EXISTING ASPHALT SURFACE ON SITE TWO CONCRETE. UH, THE ACT DOES NOT PROPOSE FULL COMPLIANCE WITH SCREENING AND LANDSCAPE STANDARDS. HOWEVER LANDSCAPE PLANTERS ARE PROPOSED IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING TO PROVIDE PARTIAL COMPLIANCE AND TO ADD SOME, UH, LANDSCAPING TO THE SITE. AND STATS. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF THE QUEST. WE BELIEVE A HARDSHIP IS DISPLAYED IN THE STAFF REPORT, OF COURSE, IS A CRITERIA FOR PHYSICAL HARDSHIP FOR A VARIANCE, UM FULL COMPLIANCE OF SCREENING AND LANDSCAPE. UH LANDSCAPING, WOULD UM, PRESENT SOME PHYSICAL CHALLENGES FOR THE SUBJECT SITE. THERE'S THINGS AS REGARDING BUFFERS, UH, PARKING REQUIREMENTS. UM, VARIOUS TECHNICAL, UH, ISSUES THAT COULD BE AFFECTED AND IMPACTED. UM WHEN PROVIDING FULL COMPLIANCE WITH WITH THE SCREENING AND LANDSCAPING AGAIN, IT AN EXISTING BUILT OUT SITE WITH EXISTING EXISTING BUILDING AND PARKING SPACES. UM AND AGAIN, IT IS NOTED THAT THE APPLICANT IS, UM, UPGRADING THE SITE FROM AN INTERIOR LOT SURFACE TO, UH, CONCRETE, WHICH IS TODAY'S REQUIREMENT. WE DO SEE THAT AS A SITE IMPROVEMENT. AND RECOGNIZE THAT, UM IN THE APPLICANT, OF COURSE AGAIN IS PROPOSING. SOME PLANTERS ARE WILLING TO WORK WITH US TO PROVIDE SOME SORT OF LANDSCAPE AESTHETICS TO THE SITE WHERE THEY DO NOT EXIST TODAY. AND UH, THAT'S THE END OF MY PRESENTATION. MISTER CHAIRMAN.WE UH, LANDSCAPE VARIANCES DO NOT REQUIRE THE NOTIFICATION PROCESS, SO THERE'S NOTHING TO REPORT THERE. YEAH. COMMISSIONER ROSE IS THE APPLICANT, THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY I DON'T BELIEVE HE IS THE OWNER. I BELIEVE HE MAY BE THE TENANT OR REPRESENTING, UH, UM LET ME SEE SILVANO, UM I'M I'M NOT QUITE SURE I DON'T BELIEVE HE'S THE OWNER. BUT UM, I, I BELIEVE HE HE IS GONNA BE HERE THIS EVENING TO CLARIFY THAT IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS, SIR. MM. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. WELL OF COURSE, I SENT YOU SOME COMMENTS, AND, UH, I DID REVIEW THEY GAVE US A LIST OF THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVING THE VARIANCE AND I WENT THROUGH IT AND IT. THERE DEFINITELY MEETS IT ALL. AND ESPECIALLY SINCE THIS WAS DEVELOPED WELL BEFORE A LOT OF THE CRITERIA WAS PUT INTO PLACE. I RECENTLY HAD A CASE SOUTH OF DALLAS, WHERE THE BUILDING WAS PUT IN. OH PROBABLY ABOUT 3040 YEARS BEFORE ZONING WAS EVEN A THING. SO WE HAD ABOUT 8 TO 10 VARIANCES ON THAT ONE. NO PROBLEM. UM IN SOMETHING , I GUESS. A NOTE. MAYBE FOR STAFF IS THIS REQUIREMENT TO UPGRADE TO IMPROVE FROM ASPHALT TO CONCRETE KICKING IN LANDSCAPING IS A DISINCENTIVE TO MAKING IMPROVEMENTS TO A PROPERTY AND MAY BE SOMETHING WE WANT TO LOOK AT IN THE G DC. UM AND YOU MAY WANT TO GO BACK TO THE PICTURE OF THE FRONT. UH, WOULD THAT BE? YEAH, YEAH, KIND OF ZOOM INTO THE ONE ON THE RIGHT THERE A LITTLE BIT. YEAH. OK UH, FROM THE GRASS AREA TO THE BUILDING OF 61 FT. FOR PARKING AND A DRIVEWAY TAKES ABOUT 44 FT. SO UNLESS HE NEEDS THAT SPACE. ANYTHING IN PARTICULAR. MAYBE I'LL EVEN SAVE HIM SOME MONEY BUT NOT REQUIRING THE CONCRETE ALL THE WAY OUT THERE. BUT AT 17 FT BETWEEN EXISTING GREEN SPACE AND A BUILDING OF MORE GREEN SPACE. THROW A FEW SHRUBS IN THERE AND YOU KNOW THAT WOULD BE A GOOD PARTIAL COMPLIANCE UNLESS THERE'S A SPECIFIC NEED FOR THAT AREA, AND I BRING IT UP NOW, SO THE APPLICANT CAN ADDRESS IT IN THE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT IT WOULD BE THIS GENERAL AREA. MR CHIEF.
GOT IT. CORRECT YEAH, RIGHT ABOUT IN THERE. IT'S CLEAR. YES, MA'AM. YES. AND SO THAT THERE MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A LITTLE MORE GREEN SPACE, AND IT WOULD PROBABLY KICK IN THE SPRINKLING REQUIREMENTS, BUT UNLESS IT'S SUPER EASY, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT STAFF NOT REQUIRE SPRINKLER SYSTEM IN THERE, EITHER SO AGAIN. WE'RE TRYING TO HELP PEOPLE IN THEIR BUSINESSES.
ALL RIGHT, THAT'S ALL I GOT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE LAST ITEM HERE. GDC AMENDMENTS. AS YOU RECALL, AS SOME OF YOU MAY RECALL, I DON'T RECALL IF IT WAS A FULL, UM, COMMISSION THAT EVENING, BUT BRIEFED THE COMMISSION IN JANUARY OF, UH SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT WERE COMING UP THAT WERE DIRECTED BY A CITY COUNCIL. AND, UM, THIS IS THE FORMAL CHANGES COMING FORWARD. I APPRECIATE THE WORK ALL THE WORK THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HAS DONE ON THE RED LINES AND PUTTING TOGETHER THE ORDINANCE. UM SO THIS IS AMENDING VARIOUS SECTIONS IN THE G DC REGARDING, UH, REALLY AT ITS CORE IS ESSENTIALLY, UM, DOING AWAY WITH THE DETAIL PLANS AS WE KNOW THEM DETAILED SITE PLANS AND UM, INSTEAD REQUIRING APPLICANTS AND DEVELOPERS TO SUBMIT MORE OF A CONSENSUAL CONCEPT OF PLAN OR CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN. SO I'LL, UM, KIND OF RUN THROUGH A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND. UM, THIS GOES BACK A GOOD YEAR OR SO WITH CONVERSATIONS WITH THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES COMMITTEE OF THE CITY COUNCIL THAT COMPRISES OF, UM UH COUNCILMAN HEDRICK, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS AND COUNCIL MEMBER, UH,
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BASS AND, UH, SOME EARLY DISCUSSIONS ABOUT, UM, THE FRONT LOADED NATURE OF GARLAND'S PROCESS. UM IT WAS, UH, OBSERVED THAT CERTAINLY IN IN, UH, COMPARISON WITH MOST OTHER CITIES IN THE REGION, GARLAND TEND TO BE ONE OF THE MORE UM, PERHAPS THE MOST, UH, FRONT LOADED. UM UH, REQUIREMENT CITY WHEN IT COMES TO ZONING PROCESS WITH P, DS SUPS AND THE LIKE OF REQUIRING A LOT OF ENGINEERING LEVEL CONSTRUCTION LEVEL TYPE OF PLANS THAT, UH, CAN OFTEN TAKE, UM, UM NUMEROUS MONTHS AND CERTAINLY A LOT OF COST AND TIME OF DEVELOPERS, UH, PRIOR TO EVEN GETTING THE ENTITLEMENT, UH, ZONING ENTITLEMENT THEY'RE SEEKING WHETHER IT'S A REZONING SUP SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE. SO THAT REALLY STARTED IN THE SPRING OF LAST YEAR. UM, AT THE, UH UH, DIRECTION OF THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE. UM UH, WORKSHOPS WERE THEN, UM, HAD AMONG STAFF AND WE BROUGHT IN. UM UH, DYLAN MORGAN. CONSULTING THAT REALLY HELPED US FACILITATE . UM MANY, MANY DEPARTMENTS. I MEAN, THIS INCLUDES PLANNING FIRE ENGINEERING, TRANSPORTATION BUILDING INSPECTION, ETCETERA, ETCETERA GP NL. WE UM REALLY JUST DUG INTO, UM I MEAN VERY MUCH INTO THE WEEDS OF EVERY SINGLE STEP OF THE PROCESS, BUT, UH, VERY MUCH SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THE ZONING. PROCESS AND WHAT WHAT IS TRULY NECESSARY. WHAT UM YOU KNOW WHAT COULD BE SCALED BACK. UM, PART OF THIS WAS INTERVIEWS WITH DEVELOPERS, THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITIES.THEY CERTAINLY CONFIRMED AND, YOU KNOW, EXPRESS SOME CONCERN WITH THE JUST THE AMOUNT OF COST AND TIME THAT GOES INTO THE ZONING PROCESS IN GARLAND BEFORE THEY, UM, HAVE THAT ENTITLEMENT, SO JUST THE RISK THAT'S INVOLVED THERE, UM, ON THEIR END, AND, UM, IT WAS REALLY PREFERRED BY BY THEM TO, UM KIND OF SHIFT THE RISK OF GONNA SLIDE. UM ON THAT, I THINK IN THE NEXT SLIDE OR TWO BUT KIND OF SHIFTING THE RISK MORE TO THE PERMITTING SIDE OF THINGS, UM AND YOU KNOW, UH, JUST GOING AHEAD AND HAVING A LITTLE BIT MORE QUICKER AND STREAMLINE ZONING PROCESS UP FRONT WITH A MORE CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT AND THEN DIGGING INTO THE MUCH MORE ENGINEERING AND CONSTRUCTION LEVEL DETAILS IN AND THE PERMITTING PROCESS. UH, WHICH IS NOT UNCOMMON THAT THAT REALLY WAS THE PROCESS I WAS USED TO PRIOR TO MY TIME IN GARLAND IN THE PREVIOUS CI.
UM, BUT ANYWAY, UH WENT THROUGH ALL THAT, UH, ULTIMATELY, UH, THERE WAS RECOMMENDATION. THIS IS ALL REPORTED TO THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES COMMITTEE BY UH BY STAFF AND UM THEY GAVE THE THUMBS UP AND THE DIRECTION OR THEIR RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL. AND IN DECEMBER, 2023 CITY COUNCIL HAD A WORK SESSION AND, UM, DIRECTED, UM, THAT ESSENTIALLY WE, UM SCALE BACK A DETAIL, PLANS AND REPLACE THEM WITH, UH, CONCEPTUAL PLANS. AND THEN, OF COURSE, AS I MENTIONED THE PLAN COMMISSION, UH, I BRIEFED THE PLAN COMMISSION ON JANUARY 8TH DURING A PREME. AND THESE ARE THE FORMAL AMENDMENTS BEING BROUGHT FORWARD. UM BUT JUST TO KIND OF ALLUDED TO THIS A MINUTE AGO, BUT IN THE CURRENT ZONING PROCESS IN GARLAND, OF COURSE, OUTSIDE OF STRAIGHT ZONINGHAT THAT WILL NOT BE CHANGE. WE'LL STILL HAVE STRAIGHT ZONING APPLICATIONS AVAILABLE WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE THOSE SITE PLANS REQUIRED. THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE CASE AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO BE THE CASE. BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT, UH, THE ZONING PROCESS TENDS TO REQUIRE DETAILED PLANNING DOCUMENTS, INCLUDING ENGINEERING SCHEMATICS, A DETAILED SITE PLAN LANDSCAPE PLAN, UM, BUILDING ELEVATIONS, ETCETERA FROM A DEVELOPER. UH, PERSPECTIVE, UM, HE OR SHE CANNOT CLOSE ON THE PURCHASE OF A PROPERTY UNTIL A ZONING ENTITLEMENT IS SECURED.
UM WE CERTAINLY OBSERVED, UM, A LOT OF INSTANCES WHERE THEY'RE HAVING TO EXTEND CONTRACTS THAT SORT OF THING WITH THE SELLER, UM, TO ALLOW FOR THE TIME IT TAKES TO, UH, GET THE REVIEW AND THEN GET ON A PLANE COMMISSION AGENDA AND COUNCIL AGENDA. SO AS I ALLUDED TO, UM, A LITTLE WHILE AGO. IT'S KIND OF REALLY JUST SHIFTING THE RISK FOR DEVELOPERS. COUNCILMAN HEDRICK DID A GREAT JOB OF, UH, REALLY CONVEYING THIS AND IT. IT WAS VERY MUCH ALIGNED WITH WHAT DEVELOPERS ARE TELLING US AS WELL AS THEY WOULD REALLY PREFER TO TAKE ON THE RISK THEMSELVES AND HAVE MORE OF A CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT. UNDERSTANDING THERE IS A CHANCE THAT THE LAYOUT WE'RE SHOWING MAY NOT PROVE OUT ONCE REALLY DIGGING INTO ENGINEERING, UH, DETAILS AND SOME OF THAT CAN BE DISCOVERED IN THE PERMITTING PROCESS AND THEY RISK RUN THE RISK OF HAVING TO GO BACK TO THE ZONING PROCESS OF THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN IS JUST COMPLETELY BLOWN UP AND DOESN'T DOESN'T REALLY WORK OR PROVE OUT, UM OR OR DEVIATIONS AS WE'VE TRADITIONALLY CALLED THEM VARIANCES MAYBE DISCOVERED ON THE BACK END THAT THEY DIDN'T REALLY THINK ABOUT ON ON THE FRONT END OF THE ZONING PROCESS, SO THERE'S THOSE RISKS, BUT IT'S REALLY JUST SHIFTING, UM, SHIFTING THAT AND UM AND REDUCING THE RISK AND TIME AND COST IN THE IN THE EARLY EARLY ON IN THE PROCESS IN THE ZONING PROCESS, SO THAT'S REALLY, UH, KIND OF WHAT THIS IS AND, UM AND SO HERE'S SOME LANGUAGE. UM, IN THE THIS ACTUALLY PREVIOUSLY WAS IN THE G DC. UM PRIOR TO 2019.
THERE WAS A CONCEPT PLAN OPTION. UM THERE'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, BUT, UM, THIS IS LANGUAGE WHERE FOR THE MOST PART , BRINGING BACK AND AGAIN APPRECIATE THE UM ATTORNEYS, UH, OFFICE WORK ON THIS, BUT I'LL GO AND READ THROUGH THIS. THE PURPOSE OF A CONCEPT PLAN THIS
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WOULD BE IN THE G DC. UH, ADDED IN THE GC IN IN THE DRAFT ORDINANCE, UH, THE PURPOSE OF A CONCEPT PLAN IS TO PROVIDE A GENERAL LAYOUT OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. THE CITY'S APPROVAL OF A CONCEPT PLAN WILL ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO DETERMINE WHETHER THE CITY IS GENERALLY IN AGREEMENT WITH THE LAND USAGE AND DEVELOPMENT PROPOSED AND WILL PROVIDE THE CITY WITH AN OVERALL IMPRESSION OF THE DEVELOPMENT PROPOSED A CONCEPT PLAN SHALL BE CONSTRUED TO BE AN ILLUSTRATION OF THE LAYOUT AND DEVELOPMENT CONCEPTS ONLY, AND NOT AN EXACT ENGINEERED REPRESENTATION OF THE, UH, SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT PROPOSED. AND OF COURSE, WITH A CONCEPT PLAN WOULD BE AS WE'VE, UM REALLY ALWAYS HAD IN THE PAST, THERE WILL BE CONDITIONS. UH, WE'LL STILL HAVE THE PD CONDITIONS. SUP CONDITIONS WHERE THERE CAN BE, UM, UM SPECIFIC, UM, REGULATIONS, YOU KNOW CONDITIONS, WHETHER IT'S AN ALTERNATIVE SETBACK OR HEIGHT OR DENSITY LEVEL. WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, UM, THAT WOULD ALL REMAIN AND PERHAPS BE MORE IMPORTANT, MOVING FORWARD SINCE YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THAT VERY DETAILED SITE PLAN TO KIND OF FALL BACK ON. SO UH, BUT THE CONDITIONS WOULD STILL BE THERE AS PART OF THE ZONING CASES. UM SOME EXAMPLES OF CONCEPT PLANS, UM, WHERE STAFF IS PUTTING TOGETHER A CHECKLIST AS WE SPEAK , UH, TO KIND OF BE READY FOR THIS WHEN, UH, COUNCIL APPROVES, UH, THE CHANGES, UM BUT JUST TO SHOW SOME EXAMPLES OF WHAT WE LOOKED AT INTERNALLY AS STAFF AND WHAT WE THINK WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE AS THE TYPE OF CONCEPT PLAN THAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR APPLICANTS TO SUBMIT AND KIND OF PROVIDE THEM A LITTLE DIRECTION ON THIS WILL BE EASIER AS TIME GOES. ONCE WE START GETTING SOME GUINEA PIGS AND SOME NEW CONCEPT PLANS THAT THAT CAN BE USED AS GOOD EXAMPLES, BUT AT LEAST FROM WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST, UM HERE'S ONE THIS IS SOME OF YOU MAY RECOGNIZE THE, UM PREVIOUS, UH, MY POSSIBILITIES. CONCEPT PLAN. MR. DALTON REMEMBERS THIS WELL. UM THIS THIS BACK IN 2018 WHEN CONCEPT PLANS WERE AVAILABLE AS AN OPTION AS AN UPFRONT OPTION. UM IT SHOWS AS YOU CAN SEE IT. IT SHOWS A GENERAL LAYOUT. UH, MEANING THAT THE STREET LAYOUT KIND OF GENERALLY WHERE THE RESIDENTIAL LOTS WILL BE LOCATED. AND THEN, OF COURSE, WHERE THERE ARE OPEN SPACE. OPEN SPACES ARE, UM, THAT'S A LITTLE SMALL TO SEE, BUT THAT THE LEGEND INDICATES THE TYPES OF LOT SIZES SO THE 70 FOOTERS, THE 60 FOOTERS, THE 80 FOOTERS, THAT SORT OF THING AND KIND OF WEIRD. THEY'RE LITTLE GENERALLY BE ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. UM BUT THE KEY, WHAT MAKES IT CONCEPTUAL AND STOPS WELL SHORT OF A DETAILED PLAN AND TRIGGERING A LOT OF ENGINEERING REVIEW, AND THAT SORT OF THING IS, IT'S NOT DIMENSION. DON'T HAVE THE EXACT STREET DIMENSIONS. THE LOT, UM EACH INDIVIDUAL LOT PARCEL SIZE.WE DON'T HAVE EASEMENTS SHOWN, UH, ON THEIR, UM, SPECIFIC BUFFER, UH, LINKS AND WITS, BECAUSE ONCE IT IT, IT'S UM IT'S KIND OF A DOMINO EFFECT. A LANDSCAPE PLAN, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, TRIGIGGERS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE NED TO KNOW WHERE THE METER LOCATIONS ARE AND IRRIGATION, AND IT TRIGGERS A LOT OF THINGS. LANDSCAPE BUFFERS, WHICH TIES IN WITH MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS AND OR EXCUSE ME, MAINTENANCE EASEMENTS AND, UM UTIL EASEMENTS AND ALL SORTS OF THINGS SO IT IT REALLY STRIPS OUT A LOT OF THAT, AND THAT WILL BE FURTHER REVIEWED, UM AND PERMITTING WITH BETWEEN STAFF AND THEIR DESIGN TEAM, THE DEVELOPERS DESIGN TEAM . HERE'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE. THIS ACTUALLY WAS NOT SUBMITTED BY A DEVELOPER, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT A CONSULTANT, UH, FREEZE AND NICHOLS DID ON OUR BEHALF AS PART OF THE I 30 CATALYST AREA PLAN. THIS IS THE I 30 ROSE HILL AREA, AND THEY SKETCHED OUT A, UM, CONCEPTUAL PLAN FOR US, AND, UM, SIMILAR SIMILAR DEAL HERE.
IT SHOWS A GENERAL LAYOUT. UM, YOU CAN TELL KIND OF WHAT THE, UH, GENERAL LAND USES ARE, OF COURSE THEY'RE LABELED WHERE THE LAND USES WILL BE. LOCATED AGAIN . STREET DRIVEWAY LAYOUT, OPEN SPACE LAYOUTS, BUT IT'S JUST NOT , UM, DIMENSION AND ENGINEERED OUT AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, THE EXACT UM WIDTH AND LENGTH OF BUILDINGS AND SETBACKS AND EASEMENTS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. SO REALLY, TO KIND OF WRAP UP THE CITY COUNCIL, UH, DIRECTION WAS TO REPLACE ZONING DETAILED PLANS WITH CONCEPT PLANS. THIS WILL INCLUDE SUP SITE PLANS JUST SO WE'RE BEING CONSISTENT. THERE'S NO REASON TO BE UPFRONT WITH SUPS AND NOT P DS, UM AND ALSO, THE COUNCIL IS VERY CLEAR ON THIS UP FRONT IN THE COMMITTEE, OF COURSE, UH, TO NO LONGER REQUIRE SUCH PLANS THROUGH THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS, UH, WHEN A PD REQUIRES IT, UH, BUT WHEN IT MEETS ALL ZONING, UH, THE USE IS ALLOWED. ALL TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS ARE ALLOWED. THERE'S NO DEVIATION.
NO AMENDMENTS. ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE. UH, EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, WE'LL BRING A DETAILED PLAN FORWARD. THAT'S ALMOST HAVING TO BE TREATED LIKE A PLAT BECAUSE IT MEETS ALL TENDER REQUIREMENTS, INCLUDING THE ZONING. WE'RE JUST KIND OF CHECKING THE BOX THAT THE PD REQUIRES A DETAILED PLAN. UM SO COUNCIL NO LONGER WANTED TO SEE, UH, THOSE TYPES OF, UM REQUESTS COME FORWARD. UM AND THEN, OF COURSE, UH, AS A REMINDER, DETAILED REVIEW OF COMPLIANCE WITH G DC AND ANY APPROVED PD REQUIREMENTS WILL CONTINUE TO BE REVIEWED IN THE PERMITTING STAGES OF DEVELOPMENT, UH, BY CITY STAFF, SO THIS IS NOT STRIPPING ANY TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS IN THE CODE. IT'S JUST SHIFTING THAT REVIEW UM TO THE PERMITTING PROCESS VERSUS IN THE ZONING PROCESS. SO THE APPROVAL SCHEDULE OF COURSE WE'RE HERE TONIGHT, MARCH 25TH
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PLAYING COMMISSION AND IT'S, UH, SCHEDULED FOR, UM, TO GO BACK TO CITY COUNCIL ON APRIL 16TH AND, UM SEE IF IN MY NOTES THERE ARE ANY, UH, MISTER CHAIRMAN? YEAH YOU YOU YOU CERTAINLY OBSERVED AND A PREVIOUS ZONING CASE THIS EVENING THAT WE'RE USING THE TERM FLEXIBILITY MORE NOW AND KIND OF GETTING A LITTLE BIT AWAY FROM DEVIATIONS AND THIS, UH, IN OUR VIEW, UH AND THE CITY MANAGER JUDD REX, UH, SAID THIS VERY WELL THE COUNCIL AS WELL AS THIS, UM, WHILE CERTAINLY THE, UM GOAL OF THIS WAS TO MAKE GARLAND A LITTLE MORE DEVELOPMENT FRIENDLY. AND, UM, BE A LITTLE MORE COMPETITIVE WITH OUR OUR OTHER CITIES IN THE REGION TO HAVE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. ANOTHER HUGE PLUS WITH THIS IS IT IT CAN AT TIMES WITH A PD, FOR EXAMPLE, BE A BIT OF A BLANK SLATE AND ALLOWS, UM, ALLOWS DEVELOPERS TO KIND OF, UM , WORK WITH STAFF HAND IN HAND ON WHAT TYPES OF FLEXIBILITIES THERE ARE. WHEREAS TRADITIONALLY WITH DETAILED PLANS, WE'VE OFTEN TIMES GOTTEN THE PLAN AND YOU'RE KIND OF WORKING BACK. KIND OF BACKING INTO IT FROM THE PLAN, AND YOU KIND OF JUST ARE OBSERVING WHAT COMPLIES WITH THE G DC AND THEN CIRCLING WITH THE DEVIATIONS ARE, WHEREAS THIS KIND OF STARTS US OFF WITH A LITTLE MORE OF A, UM PERHAPS, UM , UM, NEGOTIATION PROCESS AND IDENTIFYING THOSE PD CONDITIONS. THOSE FLEXIBILITIES, OF COURSE AS NEEDED, BUT NOT NECESSARILY JUST WORKINGFF THE G DC. IT'S IT CAN, UM, THIS CAN BE A TOOL TO REALLY LEVERAGE. UM, GOOD DEVELOPMENT AND QUALITY DEVELOPMENT. SO WE CERTAINLY SEE THAT AS A PLUS, UM, WITH THESE CHANGES AS WELL. UM AND THERE ARE AS INCLUDED IN THE, UH, ORDINANCE. UH, CHANGES ARE SOME TWEAKS TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING FEES, WHICH ACTUALLY ARE EMBEDDED IN CHAPTER ONE IN THE G DC, UM SO JUST REPLACING DETAIL, PLAN WITH CONCEPT PLAN AND THEN ALSO GETTING READY. WE'VE BEEN BEING TO DO THIS FOR A FEW MONTHS NOW, BUT, UH, GETTING RID OF THE SHOT CLOCK, UH, FEE SINCE THE SHOT CLOCK LAW NO LONGER APPLIES WERE PROPOSING TO JUST SCRAP THOSE SO AND THOSE FEE CHANGES ARE ANTICIPATED TO BE MINIMAL IN TERMS OF ANY FEE OR REVENUE IMPACT, AND, UH WAS ABLE TO, UM, COORDINATE WITH THE, UH, BUDGETING DEPARTMENT ON THAT, UM, ON THAT CHANGE, SO UM WITH THAT, MR CHAIRMAN, I'LL OPEN IT UP TO ANY QUESTIONS. RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER ROSEN AND COMMISSIONER JENKINS. SO DETAILED PLANS WILL NOT HAVE TO BE SUBMITTED. STAFF WILL BE APPROVING DETAILED PLANS. SO UM, CORRECT DETAIL PLANS WILL NO LONGER BE SUBMITTED. NOW YOU MAY STILL SEE SOME COME FORWARD. UM UH, THAT HAVE ALREADY GOTTEN WELL UNDER THE PROCESS, AND APPLICANTS WILL LIKELY WANT TO GO AHEAD AND FINISH THOSE HOURS OR THE CHOICE OF THE APPLICANT. RIGHT AS YOU AS YOU SEE THOSE COME FORWARD, UM, THE ONES THAT ARE ALREADY IN THE PROCESS, BUT UH, ZONING APPLICATIONS. IT WILL NO LONGER BE A REQUIREMENT. UM, IF, UM IT DEPENDS ON ON STAFF LEVEL THAT'S GENERALLY CORRECT. NOW IF THERE'S A ANOTHER REASON THAT SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE ZONED INTO A PD OR AMENDING A PD, THEN IT WOULD STILL COME FORWARD TO PLAN COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL . BUT JUST NOT AS A DETAILED PLAN. IT'D BE MORE OF A CONCEPT PLAN. IS THERE AN EXPLANATION FOR THAT? OR JUST WILL THE APPLICANT UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE YOU'VE EXPLAINED IT TO HIM? YES UM WELL, WE'RE WE'RE, OF COURSE, AMENDING IT IN IN THE DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WE'RE DOING THIS EVENING AND WE'LL GO TO COUNCIL IN A FEW WEEKS AS THE DEVELOPMENT CODE IS BEING THE G DC IS BEING AMENDED TO REFLECT THAT THAT CHANGE. UH, BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, AND STAFF IS ACTUALLY ALREADY STARTED THIS WE PROBABLY STARTED THIS PROBABLY MAYBE TWO OR THREE MONTHS AGO OF STARTING TO MESSAGE THAT AND GET THAT ON APPLICANTS RADARS BECAUSE THE TIME THEY SUBMIT IF THEY HAVE A PRES, SUBMIT OR PREVE MEETING WITH US TODAY OR EVEN SIX WEEKS AGO, BY THE TIME THEY LIKELY SUBMIT THEIR ZONING APPLICATION, THE PROCESS AND POLICY IS GOING TO DRASTICALLY CHANGE. SO WE'VE BEEN, UH, GOING AHEAD AND GETTING THAT ON ON. UM, UM APPLICANTS. RADARS. UM OK , SO MY OTHER QUESTION IS ITEM NUMBER THREE. THE LAST SENTENCE. NOT AN EXACT ENGINEERING REPRESENTATION OF THE SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS. UH THE APPLICANTS ARE GONNA KNOW THAT OR THEY GONNA I MEAN, HOW IS THAT GONNA BE PRESENTED TO THEM SO THEY KNOW THAT THEY STILL HAVE TO DO SOME PRECISE ENGINEERING THINGS. SURE IT IT WOULD JUST BE MESSAGED THAT, UM, THE IN THE CONCEPT PLAN AND THE ZONING PHASE. UH, WHETHER IT'S A PD OR SUP. UM WE'RE WE'RE ONLY LOOKING REALLY ONLY ACCEPTING FOR REVIEW BECAUSE OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT IS REALLY NOT GONNA BOTHER GETTING INTO THE ENGINEERING SPECIFICS AT THIS PHASE OF DEVELOPMENT. THEY'RE IT'S GONNA BE MESSAGE THAT THAT'S GONNA COME AFTER. IF YOU GET ZONING APPROVAL THAT'S GONNA COME LATER AND THE SITE PERMITTING PROCESS THAT'S REALLY THE CIVIL SITE. ENGINEERING CONSTRUCTION PLAN REVIEW. THAT'S[00:50:01]
WHERE WE REALLY GET INTO, UM, THE ENGINEERING LEVEL. OF DETAILS. YOU THINK THE APPLICANTS WILL UNDERSTAND THAT THEY WILL STILL HAVE TO PROVIDE DETAILED PLANS. I DO THAT THAT EVERY CITY UM, UH, REQUIRES, YOU KNOW SOME TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION PLAN SITE PLAN. SO UM, IT'LL IT'LL BE CONSISTENT WITH, UM ANOTHER C. WE CURRENTLY DO THAT, ANYWAY, WE'RE JUST UNDERSTAND, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE LAST ON THE ZONING PROCESS AND YEAH, IF THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT THEY DON'T NEED TO BE IN THE BUSINESS. I UNDERSTAND, BUT IT IT'S JUST NOT REAL CLEAR RIGHT HERE. I DON'T THINK SURE THE THIS SLIDE IS JUST SPECIFIC TO JUST THE ZONING PROCESS OF ZONING CONCEPT PLAN OR NOT, UM, CHANGING ANYTHING WITH THE PERMITTING PROCESS AND THE ENGINEERING REQUIREMENTS. ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE. WHEN THOSE ITEMS ARE REQUIRED, OF COURSE. THANK YOU. JENKINS. MR CHAIRMAN. UM WELL, I'VE GOT A COUPLE QUESTIONS. I'LL START THIS WAY. UM WE HAVE, UM, CHOSEN THE TERMINOLOGY CONCEPT PLAN AS DISTINGUISHED FROM A DETAIL PLAN, WHICH REQUIRES, UH, LEVEL OF, UM, EXACTNESS. AND YOU. YOU MENTIONED THAT THE SITE PLAN WILL COME INTO PLAY AT SOME POINT DURING THE PERMITTING PROCESS OR DURING THE ZONING PROCESS. THE MORE DETAILED SITE PLAN WITH HEAVY ENGINEERING REVIEW EASEMENTS ALL THAT WILL BE IN THE PERMITTING. I I IS THERE A IN BETWEEN BETWEEN THE CONCEPT PLAN AND THE DETAIL PLAN IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO, I GUESS. ASK WELL, THERE WON'T BE NO DETAILED PLAN REALLY DETAILED PLAN JUST TO CLARIFY IS A TERM THAT'S CURRENTLY IN THE G DC THAT IT'S A TERM THAT SPECIFIC TO PD ZONINGS, SO WE DON'T USE THE TERM DETAIL, PLAN AND PERMITTING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT . THAT'S SPECIFIC TO WHEN THERE'S A PD. THE CITY OF GARLAND HAS TRADITIONALLY REQUIRED A DETAILED PLAN THAT PLAN COMMISSION CITY COUNCIL REVIEWS BUT STAFF REVIEWS AND GREAT DETAIL, UH PRIOR TO IT, SHOWING UP ON AN AGENDA. UM SO YES, NO, THAT THERE WOULD NOT BE THERE WOULD NOT BE A IN IN THIS PROCESS IF AN APPLICANT GETS ZONING APPROVAL FOR A PD AND CONCEPT PLAN, UM CITY COUNCIL PROVES THAT THE ORDINANCE IS APPROVED. THEIR NEXT STEP WILL BE TO, UM GO STRAIGHT INTO THE SITE PERMITTING PROCESS, UM, TO THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND THOSE PLANS, OF COURSE, ROUTED TO PLANNING ENGINEERING. UH, WELL, ENGINEERING ROUTES HIM BUT PLANNING, FIRE AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS. AND I DON'T. I DON'T INTEND TO SOUND UNAPPRECIATIVE. I UNDERSTAND THAT A HUGE AMOUNT OF WORK HAS GONE INTO THIS BY CITY STAFF AND BY THE COMMUNITY SERVICES, UH, CS C AND BY CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, UH, TO COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THE AMOUNT OF FORETHOUGHT THAT WENT INTO THIS I, I GUESS I'M JUST KIND OF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COMPLETELY REMOVING AS THIS ARTICLE 10 OF THE G DC REGARDING LANDSCAPING AND SCREENING BECAUSE NONE OF THAT WOULD EVER COME. WHAT REGARDING? LET'S GIVE A SCREENING NOW. WE'D NEVER APPROVE THAT, BECAUSE IT WOULD NEVER BE ON A DETAIL PLAN. SO THERE NEVER BE A QUESTION REGARDING THOSE ISSUES JUST AS MY KIND OF UNDERSTANDING THAT SURE. UH, BUT ACTUAL REQUIREMENTS? NO NO G DC REQUIREMENTS AS FAR AS LANDSCAPING AND ANY PHYSICAL REQUIREMENTS ARE CHANGING IN THIS, THEY WOULD ALL THAT WOULD ALL BE REVIEWED AND COMPLIANCE WOULD HAVE TO BE MET. THAT'S ALL REVIEWED AND PERMITTING, AND THAT'S CURRENTLY DONE ANYWAY. WE'RE REALLY KIND OF DOUBLE DIPPING BECAUSE STAFF IS REVIEWING LANDSCAPING BUILDING ELEVATIONS. WE'RE DOING A LOT OF THAT IN ZONING, AND THEN WE'RE REVIEWING IT AGAIN. WHEN IT COMES BACK THROUGH PERMITTING TO AND LARGELY, IT'S MAKING SURE IT MATCHES. YOU KNOW A DETAILED PLAN THAT COUNCIL APPROVED BUT WE ARE HAVING A DOUBLE. FOR ALL THE TECHNICAL COMPLIANCE, MAKE SURE THEY'RE MEETING EVERYTHING SO THAT WOULD CONTINUE TO TAKE PLACE? NO, IT, I GUESS, UM SO THE ONLY DIFFERENCE THEN IS THE PUBLIC'S ABILITY TO WEIGH IN ON THE NATURE OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING NEXT DOOR TO THEIR HOMES IS WHERE WE'RE AT. AND I, YOU KNOW, UM, I UNDERSTAND. UM THAT ALL MUNICIPALITIES ARE ARE DIFFERENT AND HAVE DIFFERENT NATURES AND OR, YOU KNOW, FEATURES ETCETERA, ETCETERA, AND THAT THE DEPARTMENTS WITHIN THOSE MUNICIPALITIES ARE ALSO VERY DIFFERENT. SO SOME OF THE SISTER MUNICIPALITIES DON'T HAVE A ROBUST PERMITTING DEPARTMENTS WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF BACK UP WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF, UM CONFUSION OR UNCERTAINTY THAT MAY HAPPEN. IT'S ASKING THE PUBLIC TO PUT A LOT OF FAITH, UH, JUST FAITH IN CITY STAFF AND ADMINISTRATION, AND SO I'M I'M A LITTLE HESITANT. ON IT. I UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE. I UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE GOING. PERSONALLY, I I'M A LITTLE HESITANT ON IT. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NO, OK. ANY OTHER COMMENTS. I MAY HAVE ONE OR TWO UH, AND THANK YOU FOR THAT INPUT. IT GOT ME THINKING ABOUT SOME OTHER THINGS. UH, HE WAS TALKING ABOUT. WHAT DOES IN ESSENCE DOES IS TAKES THE COST. IN THE TIME. SHORTENS IT ON LESSONS AND SHORTENS IT ON THE FRONT END. AND EXTENDED ON THE BACK END BECAUSE THEY'RE[00:55:02]
PERMITTING TIME WILL NECESSARILY BE LONGER NOW BECAUSE THEY WON'T HAVE THOSE PRELIMINARY REVIEWS.AND YOU MENTIONED ABOUT ENGINEERING ENGINEERING MAY WANNA LOOK AT A PROCESS WHERE SOMEBODY COULD COME IN WITH A MORE DETAILED CONCEPT TO GET THEIR REVIEW FIRST VERSUS DOING IT ALL AND THEN HAVING THEM RIP IT TO SHREDS, SO WE MAY WANT TO LOOK AT THE ENGINEERING PROCESS, TOO. ON THAT. UH, IN TERMS OF FLEXIBILITIES AND DEVIATIONS. WOULD THOSE STILL COME BEFORE THE PLAN COMMISSION AND THEN WOULD THEY BE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE MORE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION? IN ADDITION TO THE CONCEPT AS TO PROVE WHY THEY NEED THESE. YES A ABSOLUTELY, UM ANY ANY REALLY ANY ZONING? UH APPLICATION ASKING TO DEVIATE FROM THE G DC. IT WOULD STILL BE. IT WOULD BE PART OF THAT APPLICATION. IT'S MORE JUST KIND OF, UM, LOOKING AT IT A LITTLE BIT FROM A DIFFERENT LENS. BUT YES, SIR. AND GOING TO COMMISSIONER JENKINS POINT THAT PUTS IT UP TO YOU ALL AND DETERMINE WHAT THAT IS, WHICH YOU DO NOW AND THEN WE WOULD STILL GET TO SEE THAT SO IF THERE ARE MAJOR DEVIATIONS FROM LANDSCAPING. WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT'S CORRECT. UM ONE THING I IT'S BEEN IN SOME OF THE PD ORDINANCES, AND I THINK IT'S IN A G DC. AND I'VE SEEN THIS IN THE PAST THAT, UH THEY'LL MAKE PRESENTATION SHOWS PRETTY PICTURES OF THINGS, AND THEN WHEN IT'S DEVELOPED, IT DOESN'T LOOK ANYTHING LIKE THAT. BUT NOW I BELIEVE WE DO HOLD THEM TO WHATEVER IS PRESENTED THERE. I THINK IT'S IN THE FINAL ORDINANCE. WHATEVER IS PRESENTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL. THEY'RE BOUND BY SO IS THAT STILL GONNA BE INCORPORATED? WHERE UM, YES, THAT'S SO, UM, THERE'S SOME LANGUAGE THAT MR NA HAD A FEW YEARS AGO HAD ADDED TO ALL, UM PD ORDINANCES. IT'S NOT. I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S IN THE G DC, BUT IT'S AN INDIVIDUAL PD ORDINANCES. IT'S JUST PART OF OUR TEMPLATE NOW. SO THERE IS LANGUAGE THAT ALLUDES TO, YOU KNOW, UM, TESTIMONY, UM YOU KNOW BY BY AN APPLICANT THEY WERE SUBJECT TO THOSE THINGS. UM YOU KNOW BEING FOLLOWED THROUGH WITH THE PLAN SO AND SO IF A CONCEPT PLAN CHANGES THEY DO CHANGE LIKE THE ONE YOU SHOWED US ROADS MAY BE DIFFERENT, BUT THE RESIDENTIALS HERE AND THERE, BUT IF THEY CHANGE IT TOO MUCH. IT'S MORE OF STAFF AND DIRECTORS CALL AS TO WHETHER THEY NEED TO COME BACK THROUGH. AM I CORRECT ON THAT? THAT'S CORRECT. IT WILL BE A PLANNING DIRECTOR DISCRETION, WHICH IS SIMILAR TO HOW IT IS NOW WITH DETAILED PLANS ANYWAY.
THE G DC DOES ALLOW JUST HAS A LITTLE PRESSURE VALVE IN CASE UH , IT CAUSES A MINOR BELIEVE A MINOR DETAIL PLAN. DEVIATION UM, OCCASIONALLY THAT COMES UP MAYBE A, UM SOME TREES AND SHRUBS NEED TO SHIFT OR COUPLE OF PARKING SPACES NEED TO SHIFT OVER OR MAYBE AN ARCHITECTURAL DETAIL GETS CHANGED SO YOU KNOW, TRULY MINOR IN NATURE AND DON'T TRIGGER COMING BACK TO THE ENTIRE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS. UM, BUT IT IS A PLANNING DIRECTOR DISCRETION AS TO WHAT? UM HE OR SHE CONSIDERS MINOR VERSUS MAJOR, AND SO IT WOULD BE A SIMILAR AND THE BOTTOM LINE IS THIS WILL IN ESSENCE, LESSEN OUR JOB A LITTLE BIT AND WHAT WE HAVE TO DO? BUT THAT MAKES IT EVEN MORE IMPORTANT THAT WE LOOK AT THE CONCEPTS AND LOOK AT THE USE LAND USE, WHICH IS THE CORE OF WHAT WE DO SO UH, OK AND YOU. YOU'VE BEEN HEARING THIS FROM ME SINCE YOU CAME HERE THAT WE NEED TO BE DOING THIS PROBABLY TAKING IT FURTHER THAN WHAT I EVER IMAGINED. BUT EVER SINCE I CAME ON THE COMMISSION GOING, IT COSTS WAY TOO MUCH AND TAKES TOO LONG TO GET THINGS THROUGH THE CITY AND I'VE BEEN CHEWING YOUR EAR FOR YEARS. SO UH, GOING INTO SOME OF THE DETAILS. UM SECTION 205 F NINE TALKS ABOUT POSTPONEMENT OF DECISION PLAN, COMMISSIONED BY A WRITTEN REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT CAN POSTPONE, BUT STILL IN THERE IS THAT WE CANNOT POSTPONE AND THAT JUST LEFT OVER FROM THAT 2019 SHOT CLOCK LAW, AND THAT WAS MY MAIN CONCERN ABOUT THE SHOT CLOCK LAW. IS THAT IF CITIZENS COME DOWN OH, YOU KNOW, THEY DIDN'T TALK TO US OR REALLY NEED TO DO SOMETHING. W HAD THE ABILITY TO SAY, LET'S POSTPONE THIS FOR TWO WEEKS OR A MONTH TO LET EVERYBODY GET TOGETHER AND WORK IT OUT. THIS IS STILL IN HERE BY VIRTUE OF THIS ONE SECTION AND I PROPOSE THAT WE ELIMINATE SECTION 2.05 F SUBTOPIC NINE. BECAUSE UH, REQUEST TO POSTPONE FROM THE APPLICANT ARE IN OUR BYLAWS. SO IT'S COVERED ALREADY. THOSE THAT SITUATIONS COVER THEIR BYLAWS. BUT I STILL THINK THIS COMMISSION SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO POSTPONE SOMETHING FOR THE BETTERMENT NOW, THIS ISN'T WE NEED TO KEEP THINGS MOVING, SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE WANT TO USE EVERY MEETING. LET'S POSTPONE THIS. POSTPONE THAT IT'S A TOOL. Y KNOW IT TO BE USED SPARINGLY. SO THAT'S ONE THING THAT UH, I'LL STAY IN THE MAIN MEETING TOO. I THINK THAT NEEDS TO GO. IN TERMS OF A UM THE DEFINITION OF A CONCE PLAN. UH I WANT TO ADD IN SOME WORDS SAYS TO PROVIDE THE GENERAL LAYOUT AND I WOULD
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INCLUDE SCALE AND POSSIBLY SCOPE OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. SO WE KNOW A LITTLE MORE OF WHAT'S THERE, FOR INSTANCE. IF THEY PLAN EIGHT STORY BUILDINGS IN ONE PART OF FOUR STORY OR TWO STORY WE RAN INTO THAT WITH THAT, UH, AS APARTMENT COMPLEX AND WANTED TO GO IN WITH THE FOUR STORY BUILDINGS UP NEXT TO THE RESIDENTIAL. AND THEY CAME BACK WITH A WONDERFUL PLAN THAT TIERED THEM TWO STORY RESIDENTS NEAR THE RESIDENTIAL AND UP TO THREE STORY AND FOUR STORY LATER. THOSE MAY BE SOME OF THE CONCEPTS. THAT WE NEED TO KNOW IN APPROVING THIS STUFF, SO UM, YOU MAY WANNA LOOK AT THE DEFINITION OF SECTION 211. BE. I THINK THAT WAS IN THERE AND YOU HAVE A COPY OF MY NOTES. AND I THINK THAT'S PRETTY MUCH ALL I GOT. IT'S A GOOD STEP BY THE CITY. CAUSE UH, WE'RE NOT A DESTINATION CITY LIKE FRISCO. WE HAVE TO MAKE PEOPLE WANT TO COME HERE. THEY JUST DON'T KNOW HOW GREAT THIS CITY IS HOW WONDERFUL THE PEOPLE ARE TO WORK WITH. SO ESPECIALLY THE STAFFS PLAN COMMISSION, AND BUT STAFF DEFINITELY GOOD TO WORK WITH.UH, COMMISSIONER DALTON AND COMMISSIONER ROSE AGAIN. THANK YOU. WELL I BELIEVE WHEN YOU BROUGHT THIS TO US IN JANUARY, YOU MENTIONED THAT THE CITY HAD TALKED TO OTHER CITIES IN THEIR DEPARTMENTS. TO COMPARE HOW THEY OPERATED ON THE CONCEPT DETAIL WAS THE CITY OF DALLAS. ONE OF THEM THAT YOU SPOKE TO UM SHORT ANSWER IS NO. WE DID GET A LOT OF COMMENTS FROM DEVELOPERS ABOUT THEIR EXPERIENCE WITH WITH , UM, THE CITY OF DALLAS AND THEIR DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. SO, UM UH BUT THEY WERE NOT RECOMMENDING THAT WE FOLLOW. WHICH IS A LITTLE. DON'T DO THIS. YES. WELL. WE WHERE I WORK . WE HAVE INTERFACE WITH THE CITY, BUT NOT NECESSARILY THE PERMITTING DEPARTMENT. IT'S A DIFFERENT, UH, GROUP IN THE CITY THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH. IT'S MUCH WORSE THAN THEIR PERMITTING DEPARTMENT. UM, WHEN IT COMES TO GETTING THINGS THROUGHO WE DO THIS. WE APPROVE A CONCEPT PLAN. WE'RE GOING TO BUILD THIS MULTIFAMILY OVER HERE. AND IT GOES TO CITY COUNCIL THEY APPROVE. IT GOES TO THE PERMITTING OF IT GOES TO PERMITTING TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT. IS THIS GONNA PUT A TREMENDOUS HIGHER LOAD ON THE PERMITTING DEPARTMENT TO REVIEW WHAT THEY'RE DOING AS DETAIL NOW? WHERE WE MIGHT HAVE OVERSEEN IT BEFORE. NOW THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO IN AND LOOK. YEAH, THEY GOT ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE DONE AT THIS TIME. IF WE DO THAT, PUTTING A HEAVIER LOAD ON THEM IS THIS MEAN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO INCREASE STAFFING? IN THAT DEPARTMENT OF THE CITY. SURE.
BUT IT IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. UM I. I GUESS THAT REMAINS TO BE SEEN II. I THINK YOU KNOW, AS I SAID. EARLIER, THOUGH, WHEN REGARDLESS OF HOW MUCH YOU KNOW WHAT A DETAILED PLAN LOOKS LIKE.
WHEN A DETAILED PLAN IS APPROVED, IT COMES THROUGH PERMITTING ANYWAY AND WE'RE IN WHAT I SAY WE AS THE COLLECTIVE WE PLANNING THE BUILDING INSPECTION DEPARTMENT ENGINEERING. WE'RE ALL HAVING TO REVIEW IT IN THE SAME LEVEL OF DETAIL ANYWAY, EVEN IF IT WAS REVIEWED ALREADY IN ZONING NOW FROM PLANNING'S PERSPECTIVE, A LOT OF TIMES WHAT WE'RE DOING.
WE'RE MAKING SURE IT MATCHES YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE IT STILL LOOKS LIKE WHAT YOU KNOW WAS PRESENTED TO PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNSEL. IF IT LOOKS IF THIS DOES NOT MATCH THIS AT ALL.
WE'RE USUALLY PICKING UP THE PHONE AND CALLING THE DEVELOPER AND SAY WHAT? WHAT GIVES? BUT UM, BUT BUT EVEN ASIDE FROM THAT WE'RE STILL REVIEWING. YOU KNOW THE SIX ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS AND ALL THOSE TYPES OF, UM YOU KNOW, UM FINE DETAILS SO IT DOESN'T REALLY CHANGE. I DON'T THINK IT REALLY INCREASES THE WORKLOAD. UM YOU KNOW IT IT IT PROBABLY JUST CHANGES FROM THE ZONING COMPLIANCE STANDPOINT OF WHEN WE GET THE PLANS AND PERMITTING AND IT WENT THROUGH A CONCEPT PLAN. UM YOU KNOW, FIRST GOING THROUGH THE LIST OF CONDITIONS ANY AND ALL CONDITIONS THAT WERE IN THAT PD. AND THEN THE CONCEPTUAL PLANS WILL KIND OF HAVE TO DO THAT GENERAL MATCH AND MAKE THAT MAKE THAT SUBJECTIVE CALL, BUT, UM, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. OK, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER ROSEN AND COMMISSIONER CORNELIUS. I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER DALTON THAT THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF EXTRA WORK, AND I'M I'M WONDERING IF STAFF IS AWARE OF THAT AND THEY'RE GONNA GET PAID OVERTIME OR WHATEVER. UH AND SECONDLY DO THE APPLICANTS UNDERSTAND THIS CONCEPT, AND IT MAY TAKE LONGER. TO GET APPROVED BY STAFF BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH AS OPPOSED TO JUST MAKING A PRESENTATION TO THE PLAN COMMISSION AND THE COUNCIL. I MEAN, IT'S GONNA TAKE TIME. IT PROBABLY IS A TRADE OFF. I MEAN,
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DO YOU PART OF THE ISSUE, AND DEVELOPERS WILL COMMENT ON IS THAT DETAIL PLANS TAKE QUITE A WHILE, THO. THOSE CAN TAKE SEVERAL MONTHS BEFORE THEY CAN EVEN GET TO A PLAN COMMISSION AGENDA BECAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE REMITS. THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE ENGINEERING COMETS PLANNING COMETS THINGS THAT THEY HAVE TO RESUBMIT. UM BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF DETAIL. UM IN THEORY, CONCEPT PLANS SHOULD BE A QUICKER ZONING PROCESS. BUT BUT NO YOU YOU DO TOUCH ON A GOOD POINT IT IT WON'T NECESSARILY JUST BE REAL QUICK. SO THERE'S GONNA BE THINGS WE'LL HAVE TO SIT DOWN WITH THEM AND, UM, GO OVER STANDARD. AND CONDITIONS AND WHAT WHAT ARE THOSE FLEXIBILITIES OR DEVIATIONS AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS? SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY GONNA BE THE YOU KNOW IT. IT'S STILL GONNA TAKE TIME BEFORE WE WANNA PUT IT ON A PLANE COMMISSION AGENDA AND THAT SORT OF THING. AND THEN YEAH, AS YOU ALLUDED TO THE HEAVY, DETAILED REVIEW IS GONNA COME ON THE BACK END AND PERMITTING, YEAH. IT SHOULD HELP DEVELOPERS. A LOT ON THE FRONT END, AND I'M EVEN TALKING TO YOU IN A SMALL MOM AND POPS AND THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO SPEND AS MUCH MONEY AND THEY'LL KNOW SOON SOONER. CAUSE THEY'LL PUT MONEY DOWN ON A PIECE OF LAND. AND THEY'LL HAVE TO GET AN OPTION FOR 6 TO 12 MONTHS TO GET THROUGH TO WHERE THEY CAN GET THEIR LAND RIGHTS TO EVEN DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. THEY CAN GET THAT SOONER SAVES A LITTLE MONEY ON THE DOWN PAYMENT AND THEN THEY CAN COME BACK AND MAYBE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF DEVIATIONS AND STUFF AND ALL THAT, SO IT'S A TIME SHIFT IN A CAR SHIFT, AND IT MAY AND YOU'LL HAVE TO DETERMINE THIS. IT MAY SAVE STAFF SOME TIME AND THAT THEY'RE NOT DOING SUCH A DETAILED REVIEW TWICE IT IT THE ZONING STAGE AND AT THE PERMITTING STAGE, AND SO IT'S KIND OF LOOKS GOOD HERE AND THEN. THEY READ THE DEVELOPERS RIOT ACTOR IN PERMITTING STAGE.YEAH. AND YOU ALL HAVE TO FIGURE THAT ONE OUT. SURE, SURE. UH, COMMISSIONER CORNELIUS. KIND OF SPEAKS TO MY QUESTION. IT'S LIKE BASED ON YOUR PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE, BECAUSE YOU'VE MENTIONED THAT YOU USE THE CONCEPT PLAN IN PREVIOUS, UM PREVIOUS JOBS, SO IS ONE MORE EFFICIENT THAN THE OTHER. I MEAN , WHAT IS YOUR I MEAN AND? AND TO BE CLEAR, I. I DON'T THINK THERE'S NECESSARILY RIGHT OR WRONG WAY. GOOD BAD. UM, IT'S REALLY THIS IS ALL POLICY. UM A POLICY DECISION. I. I DON'T THINK THE WAY GARLAND HAS DONE IS NECESSARILY, UM, BAD. THERE'S LOTS OF BENEFITS TO HAVING ALL THOSE DETAILS AND AVAILABLE, YOU KNOW, TO SHOW THE PUBLIC HOW WE'VE BEEN DOING IT. UM, IT'S JUST TRADE OFFS. BUT BUT YES TO YOUR QUESTION, UM, YOU KNOW, IN MY EXPERIENCE, A LOT OF, I THINK WOULD HAVE OF OTHER CITIES CONTINUE TO DO IS, UM WHEN WE WOULD HAVE A PD OR WE CALL THEM PU DS SA ME THING PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT. UM YOU'D REAY FOCUS ON THE STANDARDS, THE WRITTEN STANDARDS. UM OR IF YOU'RE KIND OF USING THE DEVELOPMENT CODE AS A BASE, IDENTIFY WHAT NEEDS FLEXIBILITY AND THEN PERHAPS NEGOTIATE, MAYBE SOME OF THE ABOVE AND BEYOND STANDARDS AND TRADE OFFS AND THEN UM, AS FAR AS THE PLAN THAT'S INCLUDED IN THAT PD IT. IT WAS ALWAYS VERY CONCEPTUAL. OUR CITY ENGINEER. UM, THIS IS AGAIN THE PREVIOUS CITY. I WAS WITH UM, REALLY DIDN'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT TO COMMENT ON OTHER THAN MAYBE SOME HIGH LEVEL THINGS. IS THERE FLOODPLAIN TO WORRY ABOUT WHAT'S OUR CAPACITY LOOK LIKE, UM, SOME HIGH LEVEL, YOU KNOW, CAPACITY FLOODPLAIN. THINGS LIKE THAT TO KIND OF, UM, BRING UP AS AN FY. I AND THINGS TO LOOK FURTHER LOOK INTO OR IF OR IF HE JUST REALLY FELT LIKE THIS. YOU KNOW IT'S NOT GONNA WORK BECAUSE THE CAPACITY ISSUES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT UM, BUT BEYOND THAT, YEAH, THE PLAN WAS TRULY CONCEPTUAL. AND, UM, YEAH. THAT HELPS THANK YOU AND A GOOD DEVELOPER. IF THEY KNOW THEY'RE DOING ANYTHING SEMI CONTROVERSIAL, THEY'RE GOING TO PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION, BUT IT WON'T BE TO THE POINT WHERE THEY HAVE TO SHOW HER FIRE HYDRANTS ARE WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT. AND WE WERE GETTING TO THAT POINT IN THIS SO IF THEY GOT SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE NEIGHBORS THAT THAT'S ONE DRAWBACK. NEIGHBORS MIGHT GET TO SEE LESS THAN SOME, BUT IF IT'S A CONTROVERSIAL ONE, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION TO GET, UH NEIGHBORS IN THE COMMISSION AND COUNCIL TO BACK THEM. ALL RIGHT? YEAH. BUT I THINK THAT'S I THINK THAT'S ALL AND I'M SORRY FOR TAKING UP SO MUCH. OH, NO. THIS WONDERFUL. YEAH. GREAT CONVERSATION SO THAT WILL PUT US INTO RECESS UNTIL SEVEN HAD TO TURN ON THE MICROPHONE
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THERE. GOOD EVENING. WELCOME TO THE MARCH 25TH MEETING OF THE GARLAND PLAN COMMISSION. THIS IS OUR CUSTOM. WE START A MEETING WITH A PRAYER AND A PLEDGE. YOU'RE INVITED TO JOIN US.WHETHER YOU DO OR NOT IN NO WAY AFFECTS THE DECISIONS OF THIS COMMISSION NEVER HAS NEVER WILL.
SO IF YOU CARE TO JOIN ME DEAR HEAVENLY FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET LIKE THIS. PLEASE GIVE US THE WISDOM TO MAKE THE BEST DECISIONS POSSIBLE FOR THE CITY. WE WISH THAT YOU WOULD LOOK OUT OVER THOSE WHO LOOK OUT OVER US ALL THE MEN AND WOMEN IN UNIFORM AND
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THEIR FAMILIES. AND A COUPLE OF SPECIAL REQUESTS TONIGHT. COMMISSIONER PARIS IS TAKING CARE OF HER AILING MOM WISH THEM ALL THE BEST. AND A SPECIAL FOR COMMISSIONER AIN AND HIS FAMILY.THEY ARE CELEBRATING THE LIFE AND MOURNING THE LOSS OF HIS MOTHER AND WE HOPE THAT YOU LOOK OUT OVER THEM LIFT THEIR HEARTS. LET THEM REMEMBER THE JOY THAT SHE BROUGHT TO THEIR LIVES. AND YOUR NA ME? WE ASKED. AMEN. AMEN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC. WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. OH, GOOD EVENING TO OUR MEETING. ALL RIGHT. IF YOU CARE TO SPEAK TONIGHT, IF YOU'LL FEEL A LOT OF LITTLE YELLOW SPEAKER CARD AND HAND IT TO THE PLAN, COMMISSION SECRETARY, WE'LL CALL YOU UP. WHEN YOU GET TO THE MICROPHONE IS IF YOU PLEASE, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND THE MICROPHONE. WE NEED THAT FOR THE OFFICIAL RECORDS. APPLICANTS WILL BE GIVEN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE. OTHER SPEAKERS WE ALLOW THREE MINUTES, BUT IF YOU'RE SPEAKING FOR A GROUP SUCH AS A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, WE DEFINITELY ALLOW
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YOU MORE TIME. WE'LL START OFF OUR MEETING TONIGHT WITH OUR CONSENT AGENDA CONSENT AGENDA ARE ITEMS THAT THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE REVIEWED AND WILL BE VOTING TO APPROVE ON ONE VOTE. I WILL CALL THE ITEMS OUT ANY COMMISSIONER OR AUDIENCE MEMBER WANTS AN ITEM REMOVED FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION OR LET ME KNOW. ALL RIGHT. CONCERN ITEM ONE A CONSIDER APPROVAL. THE PLAN COMMISSION MINUTES FOR THE MARCH 11TH 2024 MEETING. ITEM TWO A PLOT 24-08 KINGSLEY ROAD PROPERTIES INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT, REPLANT THAT'S THE AGENDA ITEMS. CONSENT AGENDA. ALL RIGHT. SEE NOBODY WANTING TO WITHDRAW ONE. ENTERTAIN A MOTION. COMMISSIONER JENKINS. MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE ITEMS AS PRESENTED. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER JENKIN. I HEARD A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DALTON TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. MHM. THEIR PASSAGE UNANIMOUSLY AGAIN A LITTLE. HOMEWORK WHERE WE HAVE SIX COMMISSIONERS TONIGHT AND OUR BYLAWS STATE THAT IT TAKES A MAJORITY OF THE COMMISSION TO APPROVE ANY ANY ITEM, AND THAT IS, UH, FIVE VOTES THAT ARE NEEDED BECAUSE THE COMMISSION IS NINE MAJORORITY IS FIVE. JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND[3.a. Consideration of the application of David Gibbons, requesting approval of 1) an Amendment to Planned Development (PD) District 17-25 for Multi-Family-1 (MF-1) Uses and 2) a Detail Plan for an Elder Care- Assisted Living Use. This property is located at 1922 Castle Drive. (District 2) (File Z 23-28)]
INFORMATION THERE BECAUSE WE'VE RUN INTO THAT RECENTLY. ALL RIGHT. FIRST ZONING CASE CONSIDERATION OF THE APPLICATION OF DAVID GIBBONS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF AN AMENDMENT TO PLAN ABOUT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 17-25 FOR MULTIFAMILY USES. AND TO A DETAILED PLAN FOR ELDER CARE.ASSISTED LIVING USE. THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN 1922 CASTLE DRIVE, AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANTS HERE, MR GIBBS, AND I THINK THERE IS A MR ORLEY. WHICHEVER ONE OR BOTH. UM. AND NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. TOUGH BEING ON THE OTHER SIDE, ISN'T IT? AND I WAS MUCH EASIER. I SHOULD SAY THE HONORABLE MR. UH MR CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. I AM DAVID GIBBONS ON BEHALF OF THE GARLAND HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION. 1675 WEST CAMPBELL ROAD. GARLAND, TEXAS 75044. UM IT IS MY PLEASURE TO BE HERE TONIGHT TO DISCUSS WITH YOU OUR REDEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR 1922 CASTLE DRIVE. UH THIS JOURNEY FOR ME BEGAN IN IN 2016. WHEN I WAS FIRST ELECTED TO COUNCIL AND MY PHONE STARTED RINGING IMMEDIATELY FROM NEIGHBORS OF THIS PROPERTY, UH, COMPLAINING ABOUT THE CONDITION OF THE PROPERTY THAT I SAW THAT IT WAS, UH, THIS PROPERTY WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT IN 1970 AS A AS A NURSING CARE FACILITY. IT WAS ABANDONED SOMETIME IN THE EARLY TO MID TWO THOUSANDS. UH, THE PROPERTY OWNERS AT THAT TIME, UH, LEFT IT IN QUITE AAA STATE OF DISREPAIR. UM THIS SHOWS YOU SOME OF THE LOVELY INSCRIPTIONS WE FOUND ON THE PROPERTY. UH WHEN WE PURCHASED IT, UM THERE WAS A LARGE AMOUNT OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. UM SOME HOMELESS ENCAMPMENTS. UH, SOME SOME REALLY, UH, DELIGHTFUL CONDITIONS THAT WE FOUND WHEN WE INSPECTED THE COMMUNITY OR THE PROPERTY. UM BASICALLY THE ALL THE, UH, MECHANICAL SYSTEMS HAVE BEEN STOLEN OR VANDALIZED. THERE WAS NO UH, COPPER WIRING LEFT. THERE WAS NOTHING LEFT. AND SO,
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UM I SPENT FROM 2016 TO 2020 WHILE I WAS ON COUNCIL TRYING TO FIND SOME WAY FOR THE CITY OF GARLAND TO BUY THIS PROPERTY TO BE ABLE TO DO A REDEVELOPMENT, UH, WORKING WITH MONA WOODARD AND JASON WILL HE WITH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT? UM UNFORTUNATELY, THE OWNER AT THAT TIME HAD UNREALISTIC EXPECTATIONS OF WHAT THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY WAS. AND UM, THE CITY SIMPLY COULDN'T WE COULD NOT FIND A WAY TO PURCHASE THAT PROPERTY. UH, I JOINED, UH, GHFC IN OCTOBER OF 2020. AND ONE OF THE FIRST PHONE CALLS I MADE WAS TO MONA SAYING, HOW DO WE GET THIS PROPERTY? AND SO, UH, WE SPENT ABOUT FOUR MONTHS TRYING TO NEGOTIATE WITH THE WITH THE SELLER WITH THE OWNER TRYING TO BUY THIS PROPERTY AND FINALLY CAME TO, UH, THE ABILITY TO PURCHASE IT. AND THANKS TO THE CITY OF GARLAND THROUGH AC DB G GRANT, UH, THE CITY TO THE GRANT PROCESS PROVIDED THE FUNDS TO DO THE ASBESTOS ABATEMENT AND THE DEMOLITION OF THE PROPERTY. SO IN EARLY 2021, THIS WAS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE OLD FACILITY AS WE BEGAN UH, DEMOLITION AND, UM, WE DEMOLISHED THE PROPERTY IN EARLY 2021 SCRAPED THE SITE, UH, AND BEGAN, UH, LOOKING AT HOW TO REDEVELOP THE PROPERTY. UM BECAUSE WE HAD BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE CITY OF GARLAND AND HAD PARTICIPATED WITH OTHER COMMUNITY. UH LEADERS. WE WENT TO, UH, THE GARLAND INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT, UH, TO HELP US WITH THE DESIGN AS YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW THE GRCTC THE GILBERT REED. UH CAREER IN TECHNICAL CENTER HAS AN ARCHITECTURE AND DESIGN CLASS.UH THAT MR ORLEY, UH, IS THE IS THE INSTRUCTOR FOR AND SO WE WENT TO, UH, THE GISD AND WENT TO THE CLASS, AND WE SAID TO THESE KIDDOS HERE IS A 2.4 ACRES OF LAND A BLANK CANVAS DESIGN US A SENIOR COMMUNITY, AND THEN WE SAID DESIGNERS AND AFFORDABLE SENIOR COMMUNITY AND IT WAS QUITE INEXPERIENCED TO EXPLAIN TO TEENAGERS. WHAT AFFORDABLE MEANS IN IN TERMS OF DEVELOPING A COMMUNITY. THE KIDDOS WORKE ON THIS. UH, THEY ORIGINALLY CAME BACK WITH 12 DESIGNS. WE MET WITH THEM AND SAID, WE LIKE THIS. WE DON'T LIKE THAT. WE LIKE THIS. WE DON'T LIKE THAT.
AND THEY TOOK ALL OF OUR COMMENTS IN THE 12 DESIGNS, AND THEY REDUCE THAT DOWN TO CONCEPTS THAT THEY PRESENTED IN JUNE OF 2022. UM AND THIS IS A PRESENTATION THEY DID AT GRCTC, UH, THAT IS COUNCILMAN BASSES, BALD HEAD THAT YOU SEE THERE? UH, HE AND THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS WERE IN ATTENDANCE AND SAW THE PRESENTATION ALONG WITH, UH, SUPERINTENDENT DOCTOR LOPEZ AND A LOT OF THE SENIOR G I CITY STAFF. UH WE SPENT THE ENTIRE DAY WORKING AND TALKING WITH THE KIDDOS, UH, TO SEE THEIR VARIOUS DESIGNS AND CONCEPTS THAT THEY PUT FORWARD.
UM WE GOT A POSITIVE RESPONSE FROM BOTH THE MAYOR AND THE TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS OF US MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT WE SPENT THEN WE TOOK THE THOSE IDEAS FROM THE KIDDOS AND I HAD TO MAKE SOME CHANGES DUE TO SOME FISCAL LIMITATIONS WITH THE PROPERTY IN TERMS OF EASEMENTS AND DRAINAGE AND THE PROPERTY OF BUTTS TO A CREEK, AND SO WE HAD TO DO SUBSTANTIAL WORK OF DOING, UH, DESIGN FOR EROSION CONTROL. SO, UH, WE SP LAST YEAR SINCE LAST FEBRUARY, WORKING IN A DESIGN AND WE'VE COME UP WITH A DESIGN THAT WE'RE SHOWING YOU TONIGHT, WE'RE PROPOSING A 20 UNIT SENIOR COMMUNITY. IT WILL BE FOUR BUILDINGS WITH FIVE UNITS IN EACH BUILDING CENTERED AROUND TWO COURTYARDS. UH AND WE GOT SOME MORE VISUALS AND ELEVATIONS AND RENDERINGS TO SHOW YOU LATER. UH BUT WHAT YOU SEE THERE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT? UH, IS AN EFFORT OF A LOT OF PEOPLE, PROBABLY 50 TO 60 FOLKS WHO HAVE SPENT THE LAST 18 TO 24 MONTHS, FIGURING OUT A WAY TO BEST USE THIS 2.4 ACRES OF LAND TO REDEVELOP FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I'M GONNA SHOW YOU THIS VIDEO NOW AND YOU CAN SEE THE RENDERINGS OF THE COURTYARD, MISS.
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YOU. I DON'T KNOW WHY I WAS JUMPING. UH, SORRY FOR THE JERKINESS OF THAT IT WAS EARTHQUAKE. MODED WE'VE DONE THAT EARTHQUAKE PREVENTION, UM THESE, UH 20 RESIDENTS THAT WERE RESIDENCES THAT WERE PROPOSING WILL BE FOR AFFORDABLE SENIORS. UH, WE PLAN THAT ALL THE RESIDENTS HERE WILL BE AT AN INCOME LEVEL OF 60% OF THE AREA INCOME. AREA MEDIA INCOME OR LESS IN TERMS OF DOLLARS. THAT MEANS A SINGLE PERSON INCOME MUST BE LESS THAN $36,000 A YEAR , AND FOR TWO PEOPLE THEY TOTAL INCOME MUST BE LESS THAN $41,000 A YEAR. THE RENTAL RATES FOR THESE WILL BE SOMEWHERE IN THE 900 TO $1000 A MONTH FOR A ONE BEDROOM AND THE 12 TO $1300 A MONTH FOR A TWO BEDROOM. WE KNOW THAT IN THE CITY OF GARLAND THAT ALL OF THE CURRENT AFFORDABLE SENIOR COMMUNITIES TO CICERO, THE PALLADIUM SENIOR HOME GARLAND. UH, ALL THESE COMMUNITIES STAY AT ALMOST 100% OCCUPANCY YEAR ROUND. UH THERE'S A CONSTANT WAITING LIST BECAUSE OUR SENIOR NEIGHBORS NEED TO HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND WE BELIEVE THAT THESE THIS REDEVELOPMENT OF THIS SITE WILL PROVIDE THAT IN TERMS OF SAFE, SANITARY, SUSTAINABLE LIVING FOR OUR OUR SENIORS WHO NEED HELP. UM THE TOTAL. UH DEVELOPMENT, AS WE SAY WILL BE 20 UNITS AND FOUR BUILDINGS. THERE WILL BE 12 1 BEDROOM UNITS AND A TWO BEDROOM UNITS. UH AND WE BELIEVE THAT, UH, THIS WILL PROVIDE A MUCH NEEDED PRODUCT. UH UH. HERE IN GARLAND. WE, UH WE'VE BEEN WORKING VERY DILIGENTLY AND TRYING TO FIND WAYS TO BRING THIS TO US, UH, AS MISS AHMED NOTED EARLIER IS THAT THERE'S A REQUIREMENT FOR 2000 SQUARE FOOT OF COMMUNITY CENTER. IF WE HAVE TO DO THE 2000 SQUARE FOOT COMMUNITY CENTER. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOSE FIVE UNITS TO PUT THAT BUILDING IN. SO THAT'S WHY WE DESIGNED IT WITH MASSIVE PORCHES SO THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE ALMOST 3000 SQUARE FEET UNDERCOVER GATHERED AROUND COURTYARDS WHERE PEOPLE CAN STILL HAVE THAT COMMUNITY FEEL WITHOUT HAVING TO SPEND THE MONEY AND TAKE AWAY THE LIVING SPACES TO PROVIDE THOSE COMMUNITY CENTER. THERE WE ALSO, UH, HAVE DESIGNED THE COMMUNITY TO BE AS LEVEL AS POSSIBLE FOR FOLKS WHO ARE UH, WALKER'S WHEELCHAIRS OR CANES? UH, I THINK MISS AHMED NOTED THAT OR SOMEONE NOTED THAT WE'RE DOING ARTIFICIAL TURF, SO WE HAVE THE MOST LEVEL AREAS SO TO MAKE IT AS ACCESSIBLE AS AS CAN BE, UH, IN MY CONVERSATION EARLIER WITH WITH WITH CHAIRMAN ROBERTS, WE TALKED ABOUT ACTUALLY ADDING SOME MORE HANDICAP PARKING AS WELL. SO UH, AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO FOCUS ON THE NEEDS OF OUR SENIOR, UH, CITIZENS WHO WHO HOPEFULLY WILL FIND, UH, A HOME THERE. UM MR DALTON II. I WE LOOKED AT THE REQUIREMENTS FOR AFFORDABLE EXCUSE ME FOR ASSISTED LIVING, AND WE CAN'T FIND ANY REQUIREMENT FOR ANY TYPE OF SERVICE. THERE THE CODE SAYS THAT WE MAY PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES SOME OF THE SERVICES THAT WE DO INTEND ON PROVIDING FOR THESE FOLKS. AND SPECIFICALLY, WE CANNOT UNDER CODE. WE CAN'T PROVIDE ANY MEDICAL CARE WHATSOEVER. UH CERTAINLY, UH, IN TERMS OF MAKING LIFE SIMPLE AND EASY FROM , UH, MAKING SURE THAT ALL MAINTENANCE FACILITIES ARE TAKEN CARE OF, UH, WE ENVISION BECAUSE OF THE DENSITY AND THE TIGHTNESS OF THE, UH OF THE SIDE IS THAT WE'LL BE DOING DOOR TO DOOR TRASH PICKUP FOR RESIDENTS SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO MAKE THAT JOURNEY. UH TO THE DUMPSTER. WE'RE TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO ACCOMMODATE THE NEEDS OF OUR SENIORS MAY HAVE ISSUES. UH THE COMMON AREAS WILL BE TOTALLY MAINTAINED. UH, WE WANT THEM TO ENJOY THE PLANNINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE. WE WANT THEM TO ENJOY THE COURTYARD, THE SEATINGS, AND WE'RE HOPING THAT BY THE BUILDINGS ARE FACING INTO THE COURTYARD AND HAVING THE PORCHES AND THE GATHERING SPACES. UH WE'RE DESIGNING. IF SO THAT THERE'S CEILING FANS OUT FRONT. WE WE'RE PUTTING ELECTRICITY OUTSIDE ON THE PORCHES SO THAT PEOPLE THAT MAY BE ON OXYGEN CONCENTRATORS OR MAY NEED ASSISTANCE WITH WITH THEIR[01:25:03]
LIFESTYLE OR THEIR LIVING NEEDS. WE'RE REALLY DESIGNING THIS SO THAT SENIORS ARE BEING THOUGHT OF AS AS FOR FOREFRONT IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, SO WE, UH WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU APPROVE THIS. AND UH UH, LOOK FORWARD. THIS HAS BEEN A AGAIN AAA TWO YEAR PROCESS OF GETTING HERE FROM PUSHING DOWN THAT OLD NURSING HOME AND WE'RE EXCITED. AND UH, CERTAINLY WOULD LOVE YOUR SUPPORT IN THIS. THANK YOU, MR CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DALTON. YOU. UH, UNDERSTAND. I'M VERY MUCH IN FEAR. SO LOOK. UM IN MY WORLD DOING SOME TECHNOLOGY THINGS I'VE CROSSED OVER TO ASSISTED LIVING AND INDEPENDENT LIVING. AND THEN WHEN YOU GET INTO SKILLED NURSING, AND SOME OF THOSE OTHER THINGS, AND THE ASSISTED LIVING WAS ALWAYS THAT WALL IN BETWEEN INDEPENDENT I CAN GO OUT AND TAKE CARE OF MYSELF ASSISTED MEANING? HEY, WE'RE GONNA REMIND YOU OF YOUR MEDICINES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AND THEN THE SKILLED NURSING AND THAT'S WHERE YOU REALLY HAVE TO HAVE FULL TIME CARE IN THE IN THE BUILDING. SO I WAS JUST THINKING WHEN YOU SAY ASSISTED LISTING LIVING, I WAS THINKING WELL, IF I WERE TO GO THERE, I'M EXPECTING SOMEBODY TO REMIND ME OF THIS AND DO THIS AND WHATEVER . AND YOU MENTIONED THE COST OF THE, UH, I'M SORRY. THE ANTICIPATED INCOME LEVELS WHICH BRING ME BACK TO INDEPENDENT LIVING. CUZ THEN THAT IS SOMEONE WHO'S STILL EARNING AN INCOME WORKING, PROBABLY DOING SOMETHING MAKING SOME KIND OF MONEY BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE ARE NOT GONNA MAKE THAT MUCH SOCIAL SECURITY. ABSOLUTELY SO, UM I'M JUST I WAS JUST LOOKING AT TERMINOLOGY IS THE ONLY THING BUT AS I SAID, I'M VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF THIS FACILITY. JUST SO YOU KNOW. THANK YOU, SIR. IT'S BEEN A REAL LEARNING EXPERIENCE FOR ME, UH, OF TRYING TO INTERPRET ALL THE DIFFERENT LEVELS THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT BETWEEN INDEPENDENT ASSISTED AND CONTINUING CARE, AND, UH ONE OF THE REASONS WE CHOSE TO GO. THIS ROUTE WAS THE PROPERTY ALREADY. UNDER PD 1717 25 ALREADY IS ASSISTED LIVING AND TALKING WITH PLANNING FOLKS. IT WAS A LOT EASIER TO AMEND THE EXISTING PD THAN TO START FROM SOMETHING NEW FROM SCRATCH. AND, UH SO BUT I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS. I APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER JENKINS AND THEN COMMISSIONER CORNELIUS.THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. GOOD EVENING, SIR. FIRST AND FOREMOST , I'D LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU, UH, FOR THE PRESENTATION, UH, IF EVEN 20% OF THE PRESENTATIONS, UH, THAT WE THAT WE SEE OVER THE COURSE OF HER TIME HERE. ARE THAT GOOD AND THAT WELL, MEANING THEN, UH, THIS ENTIRE PROCESS WOULD BE MUCH EASIER. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT. AS WELL. THANK YOU FOR, UM, GETTING THE STUDENTS ENGAGED. I THINK THAT'S A FANTASTIC IDEA WHO BETTER TO HAVE A SAY ABOUT THE OUTLOOK AND TRANSITION AND DEVELOPMENT OF A SPECIFIC AREA THAN THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE MOST CONNECTED? ARE MOST CLOSELY CONNECTED TO IT. UM, WHAT A FANTASTIC IDEA. AND I'M HAPPY THAT THAT PROJECT WORKED OUT VERY WELL. UM, I'VE GOT ONE QUESTION. PETS. UM I CAN SEE LOTS OF LITTLE PETS RUNNING AROUND AND HAVING A GOOD TIME. AND BECAUSE THERE'S NO ONE ON SITE MAYBE, UH, POTENTIAL CONFLICT OCCURS. HOW HOW DO WE MEDIATE THAT PARTICULAR? UH UH, ISSUE UH, COMMISSIONER, UM I'VE BEEN AROUND THIS WORLD A LONG TIME, AND I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER HOW TO MINUTE TO MITIGATE THOSE. UM, CERTAINLY, UH. WE MAKE. WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT ONCE WE ONCE WE GET THIS PROPERTY DEVELOPED AND BUILT THAT WE HAVE TO GO TO THE NEXT STEP OF HOW DO WE OPERATE THE COMMUNITY AND ADDRESS ISSUES LIKE THAT? AND QUITE FRANKLY, SIR, I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS TO THAT. UM I'VE GOT 35 YEARS OF PROPERTY MANAGEMENT BACKGROUND. THAT'S WHY I HAVE NO HAIR. AND SO, UH, I TRULY UNDERSTAND THOSE CONCERNS, AND, UH WE HAVEN'T DECIDED YET. QUITE FRANKLY, UH, WE ARE PARTNERS WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER NEXT DOOR AT HOMETOWN GARLAND. ANOTHER SENIOR COMMUNITY, UH, AND WE MAY ACTUALLY END UP OUTSOURCING OUR MANAGEMENT TO THEM SINCE THEIR NEXT DOOR THAT MAY PROVIDE A BETTER ON SITE EXPERIENCE THAN THAN WE MIGHT OTHERWISE DO SO AND UNFORTUNATELY, WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS NOW. UM, I LIED. I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. UM, THE, UH THE II. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW IF CITY STAFF IS ABLE TO HELP WITH THIS, THE EXHIBIT D IS THE EXHIBIT THAT WE HAD, WHICH WAS A TYPE OF A SITE PLAN. UM, THAT HELP US KIND OF UNDERSTAND THE FLEXIBILITIES THAT WERE REQUESTED, UM, IT THERE WAS A, UM, EXISTING WOOD FENCE. UM, THAT IS ON THE I THINK IT'S ON THE WESTERN SIDE PORTION OF THE PROPERTY AND IT LOOKS LIKE ON THE SOUTH. WE WERE REDOING THE FENCE TO BE KIND OF A MIX BETWEEN, UM THIS SORT OF A METAL AND WOOD COMPONENT CAN TALK ABOUT THE DESIGN. UH,
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DECISION MAKING PROCESS REGARDING THAT FENCING. WHY NOT JUST HAVE THE ONE ON THE SOUTH BE JUST LIKE THE ONE IN THE WEST? UM I THINK THERE'S SOME CONFUSION BECAUSE THE NORTHEAST AND SOUTH SIDE ARE ALL GOING TO BE WROUGHT IRON WITH, UH MASONRY P. UH, PYLONS WITH LANDSCAPING AS THE BARRIER EXCEPT ON THE BACKSIDE, WHERE THE DEFENSE IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE RIGHT ON THE GABION WALL. WE'RE HAVING ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE HAVING TO DO HERE TO DEVELOP.THE SITE IS WE'RE HAVING TO PUT IN, UH, SUBSTANTIAL CREEK. EROSION PREVENTION. AND SO NOT ONLY FOR OUR PROPERTY, BUT THIS WILL BE A BENEFIT TO ADJOINING PROPERTIES AS WELL THAT WE'RE STOPPING EROSION SO THAT BACK FENCE WILL NOT HAVE THE LANDSCAPING BECAUSE THE FENCE IS GOING TO BE RIGHT AT THE EDGE OF THE GABION WALL. THE FRONT. UH AND, UH, EAST SIDE WILL BE THE MASONRY COLUMNS WITH THE WROUGHT IRON THE EXISTING FENCE TO THE WEST. THE WOOD FENCE WAS APPROVED AS AN ACCEPTABLE BARRIER IN THE ORIGINAL PD 1725. SO WE'VE LEFT IT THE SAME. OK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND I WOULD LIKE TO IF YOU ALLOW ME, SIR. UH, THESE KIDDOS WORK THEIR HEARTS OUT ON THIS AND WE LOVE THE FACT IS THAT THIS WASN'T SOME IMAGINARY PROJECT THAT THEY WORKED ON. THEY ACTUALLY WORKED ON SOMETHING THAT WAS REAL. AND SOMEDAY, UH, IF WE GET YOUR APPROVAL AND COUNCIL'S APPROVAL AND FIND ENOUGH MONEY. WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THEIR THEIR DREAM COME TRUE AS WELL. SO WE REALLY HAD A WE REALLY HAD A GOOD TIME AND WE'RE TRYING TO FIND OTHER WAYS IN WHICH GHFC CAN INTERACT WITH THE KID OWES IT AT CTC TO HAVE THESE REAL LIFE EXPERIENCES. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER CORNELIUS. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOU ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAD, UM, AS SOMEONE WHO HAS GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS WITH A SENIOR PARENT AND HAVING TO LOOK FOR THEM A SEE OR ASSISTANT LIVING, INDEPENDENT LIVING, UH, FACILITY I. I THINK ABOUT ALL OF THE DIFFERENT AMENITIES AND THINGS THAT ARE OFFERED. SO WHEN I SEE THINGS LIKE THERE'S NOT A RECREATIONAL SPACE FOR EXERCISE, OR OR PAINTING, OR, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT. I ALWAYS JUST KIND OF WONDER IF THIS DOES LEAN MORE TOWARD INDEPENDENT LIVING, AND LIKE WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE AGE? WHAT'S THE AGE RANGE? BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THE COURTYARD IS LOVELY. BUT IT'S A COURTYARD. YOU KNOW YOU CAN WALK OUT THERE SIT FOR A LITTLE WHILE. GO INSIDE, SO I'M JUST KIND OF WONDERING ABOUT THE AMENITIES.
THE AGE TIME IS 55 AND UP. ONE RESIDENT MUST BE AT LEAST 55. NOT THAT WE WANTED TO SKIP ON ANYTHING IN TERMS OF AMENITIES. WE FELT IT WAS MORE IMPORTANT TO PROVIDE FIVE MORE. RESIDENTIAL UNITS. THAN TO HAVE THE EXPENSE OF A COMMUNITY CENTER TO BE SHARED THEN BY 15 RESIDENTS, AS OPPOSED TO NOT HAVING THOSE ADDITIONAL FIVE UH, UNITS AND SHOULD WE AND I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT TODAY, MA'AM, BUT SHOULD WE, UH, END UP? WORKING WITH THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR WITH THEM DOING THE MANAGEMENT FOR THEY HAVE A FULL PALLET OF CLUBHOUSE POOLS, EVERYTHING THERE THAT IF WE DID THIS, THEN OUR RESIDENTS WOULD BE ABLE TO USE THOSE FACILITIES. WELL, WHEN YOU SAY, YOU KNOW ELDER LIVING SENIOR, YOU KNOWW, I JUST DON'T PUT MYSELF IN THAT NUMBER BECAUSE I'M 55. I SURE DON'T PUT MYSELF THERE. BUT I UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU'RE SAYING INDEPENDENT NOW THAT HELPS ME SO. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAD. THANK YOU ANYY OTR COMMENTS? I REMEMBER THAT BUILDING BECAUSE I WENT THROUGH IT TO, UH, SURVEY FOR TURNING IT INTO INDEPENDENT LIVING AND THE ONLY THING THAT BUILDING WAS GOOD FOR IS FILMING A HORROR MOVIE THERE. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN FANTASTIC, BUT, UH YEAH, IT SOUNDS LIKE SOME OF OUR CONFUSION IS FROM ITS BASED IN AN ASSISTED LIVING ZONING FOR CONVENIENCE, BUT IT'S REALLY INDEPENDENT LIVING. OTHERWISE YOU WOULDN'T HAVE AS MANY PARKING SPACES AS YOU DO, AND EVERYTHING ELSE. SO THIS IS, IN ESSENCE, AN APARTMENT COMPLEX FOR PEOPLE 15 OLDER, MUCH MORE CONVENIENT BECAUSE IT'S ALL ONE STORY, NO ELEVATORS AND ALL THAT STUFF SO IT'S A GOOD USE, AND IT'S NOT ANY DIFFERENT CONCEPT WISE WHEN USE IT WAS THERE. ALL RIGHT. WELL. UH, I DON'T KNOW IF MISTER ORLEY WANTED TO SAY ANYTHING. HE WAS JUST HERE. HE'S HERE. MY AS MY TECHNICAL SHERPA ALRIGHTY AND, UH, TELL THE KIDS GOOD JOB. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR CHAIRMAMAN. THANKOU. COMMISSIONERS. I'LL ASK IF
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THERE'S ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS CASE. COMMISSIONER'S MOTION DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER JENKINS OK? WELL, MR CHAIRMAN, A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND IMPROVE THE SITE AS PRESENTED. SECOND OK MOTION BY COMMISSIONER JENKINS SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER A TO THE AMENDMENT TO THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT AND A DETAILED PLAN FOR ELDER CARE ASSISTED LIVING USES. HAS PRESENTED. IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT. NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS CONSIDERATION OF THE APPLICATION OF GOLDEN BEE[3.b. Consideration of the application of Golden Bee Trove LLC, requesting approval of 1) a Specific Use Provision for a Used Goods, Retail Sales (Indoors) Use and 2) a Plan on a property zoned Planned Development (PD) District 18-40.This property is located at 5501 Broadway Boulevard, Suite 105. (District 4) (File Z 24-04)]
TROVE LLC REQUESTING APPROVAL OF SPECIFIC USE PROVISION FOR A USED GOODS. RETAIL SALES INDOORS USE AND A PLAN ON PROPERTY OWNED PLAN ABOUT DISTRICT 18-40. THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 5501 BROADWAY BOULEVARD SUITE. 105 I DON'T HAVE A SPEAKER CARD IS THE APPLICANT HERE? UH, I'LL ASK THE COMMISSIONERS. UH, WOULD YOU CARE TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT AT ALL ON THIS ONE? OK BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING, I'LL ASK IF THERE'S ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISH TO ADDRESS THIS CASE. LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GONNA MAKE IT EASY FOR YOU, MA'AM. ALRIGHTY SEEING HOW THERE'S NO PUBLIC INPUT OR UP TO THE COMMISSION MOTION DISCUSSION. WERE YOU? WERE YOU TRYING TO 00? OK BUT DIDN'T TAKE THERE. YOU'RE LIVE NOW. THANK YOU, MR CHAIRMAN. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF AGENDA ITEM THREE B AS PRESENTED A SECOND. OK MR DALTON CAN HAVE IT. OR A MOTION BY COM. UH, COMMISSIONER CORNELIUS AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DALTON. TO PROVE AS PRESENTED. THAT'S BOTH ITEMS OF THE UH, THE SUP. FOR THE PROPOSED TIME AND THE PLAN. REPARABLE. PASS UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, ADAM.[3.c. Consideration of the application of Kimley Horn, requesting approval of 1) a Change in Zoning from Planned Development (PD) District 99-49 for Neighborhood Office Uses to Community Retail (CR) District; 2) a Specific Use Provision for a Restaurant, Drive-Through Use and 3) a Variance to Section 4.39 of the GDC regarding perimeter screening adjacent to residential development. This property is located at 2301 Arapaho Road (District 7) (File Z 24-11)]
THREE C CONSIDERATION THE APPLICATION OF KINLEY HORN REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 99-49 FOR NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE USES TO COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT AND TO A SPECIFIC USE PROVISION FOR A RESTAURANT DRIVE THROUGH USE AND THREE AVARI SECTION 4.39 OF THE G DC REGARDING PERIMETER SCREENING ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 2301 ARAPAHO ROAD. AGAIN, I ASK IS THE APPLICANT HERE? YOU CARE TO COME ON DOWN HERE? NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. MM. UM MY NAME IS GARY JOHNSON, 6901 LA MANGA DRIVE. DALLAS, TEXAS 75248. UH, THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. UH, COMMISSIONERS. UH, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, UH, CHANGING THE ZONING ON THE NORTH , UH, NORTHWEST CORNER OF OUR AAPO AND HOLFORD INTO A SWIG. DRINK CONCEPT. UM THERE IS NO INTERIOR SITTING, UH, THERE IS NO UH, SQUAWKWK BOX. UH, I DID READ SOME OF THE LETTERS THAT THE, UH THE NEIGHBORS AND THE, UH, MAID AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO UH THERE'S ONLY PREPARED FOOD . THERE'S NO COOKING. THERE'S NO BURGERS. THERE'S NO NO, NO, YOU KNOW, SMELLS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT COMING OUT OF THE RESTAURANT. I ALSO TALKED TO, UH, COUNCILMAN HENDRICK, AS WELL AS THE HO. A THAT ABUTS THE PROPERTY AND LISTEN TO THEIR THEIR CONCERNS. THEY ALSO HAD THE SAME ONES ON SQUAWK BOXES.IT'S MORE OF A RUNNER LIKE DUTCH BROTHERS. UM SO YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE WE'VE TAKEN ALL THE NECESSARY STEPS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ADDRESSING SOME CONCERNS FROM FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS BEST AS WE CAN. UH AS YOU KNOW, I KNOW SOME CONCERNS WERE, UH REGARDING PARKING AND, UH, QUEUING AND WE'VE OVER QUEUED PER GARLAND CITY CODE. UH, ALL THE QUEUING FALLS BACK WITHIN ITSELF, SO THERE'S NO SPILL BACK ONTO THE ROADWAYS. UH PARKING. THERE'S NO INTERIOR SEATING, SO THERE'S REALLY NO LOITERING OR PARKING. YOU GRAB YOUR DRINK AND YOU GET GOING. UM SO WE'VE DEFINITELY TAKEN THE STEPS TO MITIGATE SOME CONCERNS THAT THE NEIGHBORS HAVE , UH, WE'VE ALSO LOOKED AT PHOTO MERIC PLANS MAKING SURE THAT THAT WE'RE ABIDING TO THE GARLAND CODE, MAKING SURE WE DON'T SPILL ON IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, WE'RE ALSO
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MAKING SURE WE'RE BUILDING THE WALL, UM, TO PROVIDE SOME SEPARATION BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL. SO WE'VE WE'VE REALLY TAKEN IT UPON OURSELVES TO GO OUT OF OUR WAY TO AT LEAST LISTEN TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE NOT INFRINGING AS AS AS LITTLE OR, YOU KNOW, INFRINGING AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE. UM SOME OF THE OTHER USES THAT DID RUN THROUGH AND HAD SOME SOME INTEREST WHERE IT BREAKS PLUS, TAKE FIVE. WE LOOKED AT SOME OF THE BUY RIGHT USES AND THEIR THEY'RE PRETTY PRETTY OBNOXIOUS WHEN IF I WAS STANDING BEFORE YOU I'M SURE MOST OF YOU WOULD NOT BE HAPPY TO HEAR THAT. WE'RE TRYING TO PUT A CONVENIENCE STORE THERE WHICH IS BY, RIGHT? SO YOU KNOW, WE DID DEFINITELY GO FIND THE BEST USE THAT WE THOUGHT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE CITY. UM IT'S ALSO GENERATING SALES TAX FOR SOME OF THESE OTHER ONES LIKE BREAKS PLUS AND TAKE FIVE. DON'T GENERATE ANY SALES TAX. SO YOU KNOW, WE BELIEVE THAT YOU KNOW, OUR OUR YOUTH AND ON THIS PROPERTY IS THE BEST USE FOR THE CITY FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND SO WE'RE I'M STANDING BEFORE YOU TO ANSWER ANY OF THE QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE, UH, WE'VE DONE A LOT OF A LOT OF RESEARCH AND A LOT OF WORK ON THIS PROJECT, SO WE'RE PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT IT. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DALTON AND COMMISSIONER JENKINS. THANKS FOR COMING DOWN. UM THIS IS A PRETTY NEW CONCEPT, I BELIE. IS THERE OTHER OF THIS CONCEPT AROUND ANYWHERE? YES THERE IS ONE OVER ON FIRE WHEEL. UM YOU CAN GO VISIT. UH, WE TALKED TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I TOLD THEM THAT THIS WAS THEIR CLOSEST YOU KNOW, SWIG CONCEPT TO GO TAKE A LOOK AT IT. A LOT OF THEM WENT AND VISITED IT BEFORE OUR MEETING. UM A FEW WEEKS AGO, SO THEY HAD YOU KNOW THEY HAD VISITED THE CONCEPT, SO THEY WERE WERE AWARE OF WHAT THEY WERE GETTING. SO I THINK THAT HELPED SOME OF THEIR CONCERNS WHEN IT CAME TO, YOU KNONOW, IS THIS ALLOWED OBNOXIOUS USE? NO THERE'S RUNNERS, AND SO YEAH, THERE IS ONE. THAT'S CLOSE THAT THAT I'VE BEEN SENDING EVERYBODY TO SO THEY CAN GO TAKE A LOOK AT IT. JUST FY. WHERE ON FIRE WHEEL IS IT? I DON'T KNOW. I FAIRVIEW AND IN MURPHY. OH, FAIRVIEW AND MURPHY. OK NOT IN FIREWALL ITSELF. OK SORRY ABOUT THAT. COMMISSIONER I WAS DOWN THE ROAD GOING WHERE? OK YEAH. THIS IS A VERY UNIQUE, NEAT CONCEPT I'VE HEARD ACTUALLY ON TELEVISION. SOME BROADCASTERS TALKING ABOUT THE MIXING OF PRODUCT. OF SYRUPS AND ADDING DIFFERENT THINGS, AND ONE OF THEM EVEN MADE A COMMENT OF GOING THROUGH A DRIVE THROUGH AND THEY SAID, MAKE YOURS DIRTY AND I'M LIKE, EXCUSE ME. THAT DOESN'T SOUND VERY APPETIZING AND II. I DEFINITELY, UH, WISH YOU THE ABSOLUTE BEST BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING VERY NEW. TO THE AREA FOR SURE. AND, UH UH, LOOKING FORWARD TO MAYBE GOING BY THERE AND JUST SEEING WHAT YOU GOT WHEN YOU GET IT OPEN. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER JENKINS.THANK YOU, MR CHAIRMAN. GOOD EVENING, SIR. THE COMMISSIONER DALTON HAS GOT ME INTRIGUED NOW TALKING ABOUT ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT CONCEPTS. CAN YOU DESCRIBE THE CONCEPT TO ME? BECAUSE I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH IT. UH, YEAH, I CAN. IT'S A IT'S A DRINK CONCEPT BASED MORE ON FOUNTAIN DRINKS, ADDING DIFFERENT SERVERS AND FRUITS TO MIX. HAVE YOU EVER DONE A SUICIDE WHENN YOU'RE I MEAN, I'M DATING MYSELF. I USED TO DO THAT WHEN I WAS A KID AND JUST WENT DOWN AND HIT ALL THE ALL THE DRINKS. IT'S A SIMILAR CONCEPT OF MIXING THINGS AND GETTING CREATIVE WITH YOUR DRINKS. IF YOU WANT COKE WITH MANGO SLICES IN IT, YOU CAN GET IT THERE. IF YOU WANT STRAWBERRIES IN YOUR COCA COLA, YOU CAN GET IT THERE. I MEAN, SO IT'S REALLY I. I LIKE CALL IT A SUICIDE DRINK CONCEPT. UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY APPRECIATE THAT, BUT THAT'S HOW YOU KNOW, I. I SEE IT AS THAT. AND THEN THEY HAVE PACKAGED MUFFINS AND COOKIES. SO THEY DO HAVE SMALL BITES AND STUFF LIKE THAT. THAT THEY SELL AS WELL. THAT'S ALL I NEEDED. THANK YOU, MR CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IT'S BASED OUT OF, UH, SALT LAKE CITY. COMMISSIONER ROSE YES. UH, THANK YOU. WELL. WELL FOLKS BE ABLE TO COME IN OFF OF HOLFORD AND ARAPAHO. ARE THEY GONNA WIN ONE AND OUT THE OTHER? HOW ARE YOU GONNA WORK THAT? UM AS OF RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE BOTH.
UH, BOTH, UH, ACCESS POINTS. UM I KNOW THE CITY HAS SOME SOME PLANS TO IMPROVE HOLFORD. UM WHICH WILL YOU KNOW? WIDEN THE WHOLE FORD ROAD AND YOU KNOW, WE'VE TAKEN OUR PLANS INTO CONSIDERATION FOR WHAT? THE CITY UH, PROPOSING IN THE FUTURE. WE TALK TO STAFF AND WILL ABOUT HOW DOES THAT INTERACT WITH OUR SITE ? AND SO WE'RE WE'RE DEFINITELY AWARE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING ON HOLFORD. UM BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, YES, THAT THEY'RE BOTH BOTH ACCESS POINTS AND YOU KNOW YOU I . I THINK HAVING TWO ACCESS POINTS IS KEY TO BEING ABLE TO CIRCULATE MAKING SURE THAT THERE
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ISN'T ONE BLOCKING. IF ONE'S BLOCKING. IT'S GONNA POUR BACK ONTO THE STREET. UM SO YOU KNOW, WE'VE WE'VE TAKEN A LOT OF A LOT OF EFFORT, MAKING SURE THAT YOU KNOW, THAT WAS OUR BIG CONCERN IS HOW DOES YOU KNOW WHERE IF SOMETHING SPILLS BACK? WHERE IS IT GONNA GO? AND IT'S GONNA GO WITH TO OUR SITE. INSTEAD OF OUT AND THE PARKING THAT YOU HAVE DESIGNED STRICTLY FOR WORKERS CORRECT. CORRECT. IT'S PER CITY CODE, AND, UH, YOU KNOW THERE'S NO INTERIOR SEATING, SO THERE'S NO REASON I MEAN, UNLESS SOMEBODY WANTS TO PARK AND FINISH THEIR DRINK BEFORE THEY LEAVE, WHICH I DON'T KNOW MANY PEOPLE DOING THAT WHEN THEY'RE GRABBING THEIR DRINK AND DRIVE THROUGH AND LEAVING, BUT I CAN'T SIT HERE AND SAY THAT THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN, BUT IT'S MAINLY FOR WORKERS. YOU THINK THIS WOULD BE SUCCESSFUL AS A DRIVE THROUGH ONLY I HAVE JUST GOT TO BE ADVERTISED AS SUCH, OR WHAT? I HAVE SEEN THE NEW SHIFT IN RETAIL. WE'VE I'VE DONE A LOT OF RE YOU KNOW, RETAIL DEVELOPMENT ACROSS DFW AND ESPECIALLY IN GARLAND, UH, UP IN MCKINNEY AND YOU KNOW, I'D SAY THE LAST FOUR YEARS. THAT'S THE BIG PUSH IS TO DRIVE THROUGH ONLY THINGS. UH, MOST OF THESE CONCEPTS ARE GETTING 75 TO 80% OF THEIR REVENUE THROUGH THE DRIVE THROUGH SO THEY SEE. WHY DO I HAVE 4500 SQUARE FEET? YOU KNOW, BUILDING ALL THAT RETAIL SPACE AND KNOWN CITY IN UM, I THINK THERE'S STILL SOME HOLDOUTS. THAT'LL NEVER CHANGE. CHICK FIL A RAISING CANES. YOU KNOW THAT'S THEIR BRAND. THEY'RE GONNA STAY WITH IT, YOU KNOW, EVEN SEE MCDONALD'S CHANGING, UH, THE NEW MSM, UH, CONCEPT THAT'S COMING OUT. THERE'S TWO IN UH, THERE'S EIGHT IN DALLAS. ONE JUST OPENED UP IN, UH, UH, NORTH DALLAS, SO I MEAN, THE SHIFT IS HAPPENING.UH, SALMON GOES BEEN REALLY SUCCCCESSFUL, UM, DOING 750 SQUE FEET. SO DUTCH BROTHERS SO I THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER ABEL. THANK YOU, SIR. UM THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. I. I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT TO WHAT MR ROSE IS SAYING. THIS IS JUST LIKE A COFFEE STAND. WE HAVE ALL THE LITTLE COFFEE STANDS POPPING UP AROUND US THAT OUR DRIVE-THROUGH ONLY SO YOU KNOW, I I'M FOR ONE.
I'M HAPPY TO SEE IT. I HOPE THAT IT PASSES AND I HOPE YOU DO WELL, BECAUSE I WILL BE A PATRON. SO THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS. I THINK I'VE SOFTENED ON THIS ONE A BIT, SO I APPRECIATE IT. OK WE'VE WE'VE WORKED, UH, PRETTY PRETTY TIRELESSLY WITH STAFF AND WILL TO. YOU'RE GONNA NEED A FEW DIRECTIONAL SIGNS IN THERE. YES YES, I AGREE. AGREED. SO THANK YOU. I SEE NO OTHER QQ. HERE WE GO. ALRIGHT NOW I'VE GOT ANOTHER SPEAKER. SO IF YOU AND IF, UH THERE'S SOME QUESTIONS, I'LL BRING IT BACK. I SEE RIGHT HERE. OK, GREAT. UH, ROB GARDNER.
HELLO. UH, THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK HERE. I, UH I LIVE ON WALNUT GROVE LANE DIRECTLY, UM ABUTTING THIS, UH, THIS LOT HERE, UM LIVED HERE SINCE 1972. WENT TO ALL GARLAND SCHOOLS. MY KIDS DID AS WELL. UM I JUST WANT TO BRING UP. UH, I.
I THINK THE EXISTING ZONING IS THE BEST. UH, IS THE BEST I. I COULDN'T SAY BETTER, UH, THE REASONS WHY I WOULD NOT AND I DON'T MEAN ANY DISRESPECT TO YOUR YOUR BUSINESS AT ALL. UH, I WISH YOU THE BEST. TRULY, UM BUT, UH MAY I READ THE ZONING. THE CURRENT ZONING INTO THE RECORD. UM THE NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE DISTRICT IS INTENDED TO CREATE AN APPROPRIATE SETTING.
FOR LOW INTENSITY OFFICE AND PROFESSIONAL USES. THE DISTRICT MAY BE USED AS A TR, UH, TRANSITION DISTRICT BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL USES AND MORE INTENSE USES WITH APPROPRIATE BUFFERS AND LANDSCAPING. THIS DISTRICT MAY BE LOCATED CONTIGUOUS TO RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS. ALLOWED USES SHOULD BE COMPATIBLE WITH ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL AREAS BY LIMITING HEIGHTS TO ONE STORY. AND MADE NOT INCLUDE USES THAT CREATE EXCESSIVE AMOUNTS OF TRAFFIC, NOISE, TRASH OR LATE NIGHT BUSINESS OPERATIONS. UM I'VE HAD , UH, IT'S VERY NOISY AREA AS IT IS RIGHT NOW. AND I'M A BIT CONCERNED ABOUT THE, UH, THE CONTINUED TRAFFIC AND THE LACK OF A BUFFER. IF PARTICULARLY IF THIS TREE LINE IS GOING TO GO AWAY, WHICH I IMAGINE IT WILL AT SOME POINT, BUT, UM UH, THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF TRAFFIC. A LOT OF FOOT TRAFFIC. PEOPLE USE THIS AS A CROSSWAY BECAUSE THEY CAN'T UH , GET THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND UM THERE WAS A FIRE IN MY, UH, RIGHT ON MY FENCE LE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. UH, PROBABLY BY SOMEBODY WHO WAS GOING BETWEEN IT AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WAS CALLED. I'M SURE IT'S ON THE RECORD. BUT UH UH, I JUST WANTED TO STATE THAT I THINK, UM, I THINK IT'S JUST, UH AGAIN. I HAVE NO I. I WISH HIM
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THE BEST ON HIS BUSINESS, NO MATTER WHAT, BUT, UH, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THE RIGHT BUSINESS FOR THAT LOCATION. UM, AGAIN, VERY BUSY AREA, AND, UH, I WOULD ALSO NOTE THAT ON HARFORD ROAD, UM THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC GOING INTO ARAPAHO. NOW IT'S OBVIOUSLY INCREASING. I THINK THERE'S GONNA BE, UM, EXPANSION OF THE ROAD. AND IT'S ONLY GONNA GET WORSE. UM YOU CAN'T MAKE A LEFT TURN ON ARAPAHOE AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE MADE IT DONE A TRAFFIC STUDY ON IT, BUT I'VE SAT THERE FOR TWO OR THREE MINUTES. TRYING TO MAKE A LEFT TURN. YOU HAVE PEOPLE. UM AND IT'S A MAJOR ARTERY. UH, FOR PEOPLE GOING INTO WORK IN THE MORNINGS AND ALSO COMING HOME, SO THERE'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC. IT'S ABSOLUTELY BACKED UP. I. I WOULD THINK HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF YARDS, UH, IN THE MORNINGS. AND UH, I THINK THAT THIS IS GONNA CREATE SOME ADDITIONAL CONGESTION. UM I JUST, UH I. I REALLY BELIEVE THAT THE CURRENT ZONING IS THE BEST ZONING FOR WHAT'S THERE NOW? AND UH, I I'M SORRY, BUT, UH, YOU MENTIONED I HAVEN'T. WE HAVEN'T SPOKEN BEFORE YOU MENTIONED YOU TALKED TO ALL THE NEIGHBORS GO AHEAD AND SPEAK TO US. THANK YOU. YEAH, SORRY. UM BUT II, I HAVEN'T. NOBODY'S TALKED TO ME ABOUT THIS, UM OR REACHED OUT. SO THAT WAS YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE FIRST I'M HEARING ABOUT SOME OF THE OTHER DETAILS, BUT, UM THAT'S ALL THAT'S ALL I REALLY HAVE TO SAY. UM, I GUESS YOU KNOW, AS THIS IS ALSO BEING DESIGNATED A RESTAURANT. UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE WHAT COULD POTENTIALLY ALSO END UP THERE IN THE FUTURE, YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S ANOTHER CONCERN. I THINK WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE. ALRIGHT UH, JUST SO YOU KNOW, WE ARE RECOMMENDING BODY TO THE CITY COUNCIL, SO IT'LL BE ANOTHER 2 TO 3 OR FOUR WEEKS, BUT THEY'LL STILL BE TIME TO ADDRESS THIS AS IT GOES TO COUNSEL. OK THANK YOU . OH AND ONE OTHER THING, UH, HOLFORD ROAD IS SCHEDULED TO BE EXPANDED. UNFORTUNATELY THAT SEGMENT THERE, UH, THE DESIGN'S BEEN STARTED, BUT IT'S BEEN HALTED BECAUSE OF FINANCES, AND ONCE THEY GET THE FINANCES WORKED OUT, THEY HOPE TO START AGAIN AND YOU THAT WIDENING. IS IT GOING TO BE A FOUR LANE OR, UH, I BELIEVE SO TWO EACH WAY, I THINK PRO, PROBABLY WITH THE RIGHT OF WAY TO DO THREE IF NECESSARY, BUT I DOUBT IF IT EVER GETS CERTAINLY A BEAUTIFUL AREA. I THINK ONE OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL AND GARLAND WITH THE SPRING CREEK FOREST, SO THAT'S ALSO A YOU KNOW A GATEWAY TO THAT AREA. SO YEAH, HOPE EVERYBODY TAKES THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OH, COMMISSIONER JENKINS. UH, THERE'S A QUESTION FOR YOU. I BELIEVE. I'M SORRY. I'M NOT QUITE CERTAIN WE GOT HIS ADDRESS. WE KNOW THE SPECIFIC AREA 2246 WALNUT GROVE LANE.THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I HAVE NO OTHER SPEAKER CARDS. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE? I SEE ONE COMING DOWN. AND YOU TOO, SIR. OK, WE'LL CALL YOU NEXT. OH, SURE. WHY NOT? THANK YOU. MR QUINN. YES, SIR. UH, NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. I'M SORRY. NA NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. YES, MARK QUINN, 2125 JASMINE LANE. AND UH, I STAND HERE BEFORE YOU AND I'M UH UH, THANK YOU, MR GARNER. FOR COMING. UH HE SAID SOMETHING. I AGREE WITH HIM, I. I HAD HEARD NOTHING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD NOW, I. I AGREE. I'M NOT THE MOST, UM UM WELL, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SAY THAT I DON'T GET AROUND MUCH IS WHAT I'M TRYING. THAT'S JUST A REAL PLAIN WAY TO PUT IT. SO IF THERE IS COMMUNICATION GOING ON THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM I.
I JUST HAVEN'T HEARD ABOUT IT AND THAT WAS THE PURPOSE FOR ME IS TO COME DOWN AND SEE WHAT EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANNA PUT IN HERE AND, UM I DON'T UM. AT THIS POINT, I DON'T FEEL AS, UH, ADAMANT ABOUT THIS PROJECT AS I DID THE DATA CENTER, BUT, UM, UM OK, UH, WE STILL HAVE SOMETHING TO CONSIDER OURSELVES WITH HERE. UM LIKE THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS. I THINK YOU ADDRESS THAT TO A DEGREE. UM I'M NOT SURE IF I HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT NOISE ABATEMENT. UM UM, HOW ABOUT HOURS OF OPERATION? UM LET'S SEE HERE. MM. HE HE HE DID MENTION THAT THERE WON'T BE SPEAKER BOXES, BLASTING THE INSTRUCTIONS THAT THEY USE A PERSON TO GATHER THE ORDERS. SO THAT'S ONE NOISE ABATEMENT FOR THIS TYPE OF USE, AND I WAS GONNA HAVE HIM COME BACK UP AND TALK ABOUT HOURS OF OPERATION. AND UM, DEFINITELY GO TAKE A LOOK AT THE, UH, CONCEPT. UH UH, IN FIRE WHEEL, FAIRVIEW AND MURPHY. UM, LET'S SEE HERE. SO IF HE'S WILLING COMPANIES WILLING, AND, UM, I COULD WE GET SOME INFORMATION? UM WHAT THE PROJECT LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, UM, THESE DEVELOPERS THEY BROUGHT A NICE PRESENTATION DOESN'T LEAVE ANYTHING TO THE IMAGINATION. IT'S KIND OF, UH,
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CLEAR AND STRAIGHTFORWARD. IF YOU GO INTO THE CITY OF GARLAND WEBSITE. YES SIR. UM GO TO PLAN.UM, AGENDAS. OKAY, MEETINGS. YOU GO TO PLAN COMMISSION. YOU CAN DOWNLOAD TONIGHT'S AGENDA, WHICH WILL HAVE THE STAFF REPORT WITH THE SITE PLAN AND ELEVATIONS OF THE STRUCTURE IN THERE, OK AND I'M SORRY. I'M ALWAYS KIND OF LIKE THE I FEEL LEFT OUT. I'M ALWAYS LIKE THE LAST ONE TO KNOW ABOUT ANYTHING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT, UM YOU KNOW WHEN I START TO SEE THESE GREEN SIGNS I'M LIKE, WAIT A MINUTE. WHAT'S GOING ON? YOU KNOW, AND I JUST JUST WANNA KNOW. UM BUT I DEFINITELY AGREE WITH MR GARNER. I THINK THEY PROBABLY BE BETTER, UH, USE FOR THAT LAND, THEN, UM, THEN THE CONCEPT THAT THEY'RE WANTING TO PUT THEIR, UH, MY NEXT QUESTION, AND, UM OK, SO WHAT IF IT? WHAT IF THEY WANTED TO START SERVING ALCOHOL THERE YEAR TWO YEARS LATER? HOW WOULD THAT WORK OUT? I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO GO AND GET A LICENSE FOR THAT, AND OK, AND WOULD THAT BE IN THE PLAN? THAT'S ON YOUR WEBSITE. AT THIS POINT. UH I'LL HAVE THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THAT BUT THERE'S NO INDICATION UH, OK . THERE ARE NO INDICATION OF ALCOHOL AND THAT'S A STATE PROCESS IN THE CITY ALSO HAS TO DO SOMETHING WITH THAT, TOO. SO THERE THERE WOULD BE APPROVALS INVOLVED, OK THAT WELL, MY TIME IS OUT. BUT UM, I'M I WOULD ADAMANTLY BE OPPOSED TO THAT TOO. I'LL CALL, UH, WITHIN 400 FT. ANYWAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU ALL DO, UH, FOR US, AND THANK YOU, SIR. FOR COMING. THANK YOU. GENTLEMEN, COME ON DOWN. PUT MY INFORMATION TO THE SCREEN. I DON'T KNOW WHY I DIDN'T TAKE IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. MY NAME IS JOHN DAVID GONZALEZ. UM I RESIDE AT 10135 ROCK MOOR DRIVE IN DALLAS, TEXAS . I AM THE TRUSTEE OF THE SEVEN INVESTMENTS PARTNERSHIP. I HOLD TITLE TO THE LAND, AND I AM THEREFORE THE SELLER I HAVE BEEN AT THIS SITE FOR BETWEEN 10 AND 12 YEARS. TRYING TO SELL THIS PROPERTY. IT HAS BEEN A NEAR IMPOSSIBILITY. WE UH HAVE HAD CALLS FROM THE TAKE FIVE TYPES OF, UH, PEOPLE. THE OIL LOBES, THE TIRE SHOPS AND WE HAVE, UH, REALLY TRIED TO MAKE A VERY DILIGENT EFFORT TO SELL THIS TO THE RIGHT. GROUP THAT WOULD ASSIST THE GARLAND COMMUNITY. WE FOUNDED THIS PARTNERSHIP AND WE'VE HELD THIS LAND SINCE APRIL OF 1967. SEVEN INVESTMENTS SOLD.
THE LAND HOLDINGS THAT WE HAVE OR DID HAVE TO TOM THUMB INTERNATIONAL LEADERSHIP OF TEXAS. MURPHY, UH, GAS STATION. STARBUCKS. DUTCH BROTHERS. MCDONALD'S IS COMING AS YOU'RE AWARE. AND SEVERAL OTHER GROUPS. SO WE HAVE ALSO SOLD THE LAND AT 27 01 AND 28 01 ARAPAHO, THE PROPERTY THAT'S NEXT DOOR TO TOM THUMB. TO TOWN HOME DEVELOPERS WHO WERE SCHEDULED TO BREAK GROUND VERY SOON. SO MY ONLY REQUEST IS TO GIVE HER HIS CONSIDERATION OF THIS GIVEN THE TIME AND THE EFFORT THAT WE HAVE PUT IN THE LAST DECADE TO SELL THE PROPERTY, WE FEEL LIKE THIS IS A GREAT USER. THE DEVELOPER'S REPUTATION SPEAKS FOR ITSELF. HE HAS OUTSTANDING OUTSTANDING POSITIONING IN THE RETAIL WORLD. AND TO THAT END, I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOUU SERIOUSLY CONSIDER THE VOTE IN THE AFFIRMATIVE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ANY QUESTIONS OF THE SPEAKER.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING DOWN. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE? IN? THE AUDIENCE WISH TO ADDRESS THIS CASE. YOU WANNA COME BACK UP AND MAYBE ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THE ITEMS IN PARTICULAR THE HOURS OF OPERATION. YES, CHAIRMAN. I I'M SORRY. I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT HOURS. I DID. IT'S IN MY REPORT FOR UH, FOR STAFF AS WELL AS FOR ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO PULL IT DOWN O OFF THE WEBSITE. I BELIEVE IT'S 9 TO 10 ON THE WEEKENDS AND 10 TO EIGHT DURING THE WEEK, SO NO OVERNIGHT THERE'S NO OVERNIGHT OPERATION AND THEY ALL YOU KNOW I. I BELIEVE IT'S AT 10 IS THE LATEST THEY'RE OPEN. I THINK THAT'S FRIDAY AND SATURDAY, BUT I DEFINITELY SUBMITTED IT WITH THE PACKAGE. I APOLOGIZE. I DON'T HAVE IT WITH ME TONIGHT, SO PEOPLE WANT A LITTLE MORE IN A SOFT DRINK LATE AT NIGHT, I GUESS. OK I HAVE THE HOURS FOR YOU, UM 8 A.M. TO 9 P.M. MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY 8 A.M. TO 10 P.M. ON FRIDAY 9 A.M. TO 10 P.M.
ON SATURDAY AND ON SUNDAYS, RIGHT? OK, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. I APPRECIATE THAT.
UM AND THEN FOR THE LIQUOR COMMENT, THERE'S ZERO CHANCE THAT THIS BRAND OUT OF SALT LAKE
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CITY IS CONSIDERING SERVING LIQUOR. UH, I THINK IT'S AGAINST THEIR RELIGIOUS BACKGROUNDS.ALRIGHT. ANY FOR THE QUESTIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND IF UH UH I DID REACH OUT TO DARLENE AT THE IT OF A, UM AND JACKIE, I BELIEVE IS ONE OF THE HOUSING MEMBERS. I DID REACH OUT TO HER TONIGHT. SEE IF SHE'D BE HERE AND I DIDN'T GET A RESPONSE. YOU MAY WANT TO TRADE NUMBERS WITH YES. I'M DEFINITELY GONNA MEET AND TALK TO THESE TWO GENTLEMEN, TRY TO TOUCH AS MANY NEIGHBORS AS I AS I COULD. I. I APOLOGIZE. I DIDN'T GET A HOLD OF THEM, UH, WOULD HAVE BEEN HELPFUL TO HIT AS MANY AS I COULD. BUT I THOUGHT SHE YOU KNOW, WE SHARED ELEVATIONS AS WELL AS A SITE PLAN WITH WITH THE HOA. I FIGURED THAT ONE OUT IN A BLAST AND I SHOULD HAVE FOLLOWED UP.
MY FAULT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHTY. YEAH BUT HAVE A SEAT AND THINK IT'S UP TO US, GENTLEMEN.
LADIES. MOTION DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER JENKINS AND COMMISSION DALTON, MR CHAIR AND UNLESS IT'S A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. DO I HEAR A SECOND? SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER ROSE MOTION, UH BY COMMISSIONER JENKINS TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER ROSE. YES, IT CLOSE. THE PUBLIC HEARING ONLY PASS IT UNANIMOUSLY. AND UH, COMMISSIONER JENKINS. DID YOU WANNA GET BACK IN YOUR SLOT THERE? OK, UH, YOUR MIC IS LIVE. THANK YOU. MR CHAIRMAN, AS AS SO OFTEN HAPPENS. I INITIALLY BELIEVED THAT I WAS GOING TO GO ONE WAY ON THIS CASE, AND NOW I AM. I AM INCLINED TO CONSIDER, UM YOU KNOW, GOING THE OTHER WAY . UM I. I DID HEAR A LOT OF INPUT FROM THE APPLICANT REGARDING THE PROPOSED USES. THAT COULD BE THERE. UH THE IDEA OF HAVING SOME OF THOSE USES. I'M NOT CERTAIN I SAW IN THE ZONING MATRIX, UH, THAT THE BREAKS THE BRAKES PLUS WOULD FIT BUT BUT SOME OF THOSE OTHER USES COULD BE ADVERSE TO THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD. NOW IF IT IS PERMITTED BY RIGHT, THAT MEANS THAT THERE IS NO PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING THE INPUT THAT THE DEVELOPER WOULD NEED. AND SOME OF THOSE, UH, SOME OF THOSE INPUTS COULD BE, UM NOT NEARLY AS AS CLEAN OR WELL ORGANIZED OR PERHAPS MAINTAINED, PERHAPS MAINTAIN, UH, AS, UH, THIS PARTICULAR APPLICANT PROPOSES. SO AT THE MOMENT I'M MORE INCLINED TO BE IN FAVOR OF THIS REQUEST, BUT I AM OPEN TO ANY DISCUSSION THAT THE COMMISSION UH, MAY PROPOSE AT THIS POINT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHTY. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DALTON. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER JENKINS. UM I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING BETTER. THEY CAN GO IN HERE. A DRIVE THROUGH SELLING SODA. IS NO MORE INVASIVE. AND A DRIVE THROUGH SELLING COFFEE.
UM, WE HAVE THEM ALL OVER TOWN. I'VE NEVER HEARD A COMPLAINT COME THROUGH HERE. OF RAMBUNCTIOUS COFFEE DRINKERS DRIVING THROUGH AND PICKING UP A CUP. I COULD HAVE ARGUED WITH THAT WITH MY WIFE. SHE USED TO LOVE ONE PARTICULAR BRAND. UM I. I THINK THIS IS A VERY GOOD USAGE. THE OWNER THE DEVE, UH, I'M SORRY. THE APPLICANT I ITS KIND OF RESTRAINED A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE CLIENTS CAN ONLY COME IN ONE DIRECTION AND CAN ONLY EXIT ONE DIRECTION. SO THEY HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF LIMITATION WHERE THEY PULL IN. THEY PULL OUT A PLACE LIKE THIS IS NOT GOING TO I. I WOULDN'T THINK BRING IN ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC. SOMEONE WOULD WANT TO BE GOING THERE.
THEY WOULD WANT TO BE COMING DOWN HOLFORD OR COMING DOWN ARAPAHO. THEY'RE ALREADY GOING TO BE ON THAT ROAD AND GO. OH, LET ME RUN IN AND GET SOMETHING TO DRINK ON MY WAY TO WORK. THEY PULL IN, THEY PULL OUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE A HUGE QUEUING OF CARS FOR, YOU KNOW 68 1012 CARS DEEP. I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN THIS PARTICULAR ENVIRONMENT. WE'RE NOT SEEING IT NOW AGAIN WITH THE COFFEE STORES. I. I THINK THIS IS A GOOD USE FOR THAT LITTLE PIECE OF PROPERTY. SO I'M GONNA BE IN FAVOR OF THE PRO THE, UH OUT. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER ROSE. I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION IF THERE'S NO MORE DISCUSSION. I SEE NONE. I WOULD MOVE THE WAY APPROVE THIS, UM HER STAFF RECOMMENDATION. ALRIGHTY. DO I IN A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JENKINS. A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER ROSE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JENKINS TO OH, COMMISSION, DALTON. SORRY. HEY, HEARING AIDS AREN'T PERFECT ALL THE TIME. THEY DON'T DIFFERENTIATE AND THAT'S TO PROVE THE, UH AS YOU, UH, SUP FOR DRIVE THROUGH THE, UH PD AND THE PLAN. ALL RIGHTY. MOTION IS TO APPROVE. IT PASSES, ANANIMOUS. SEE? I TOLD YOU, I
[4.a. Consideration of the application of Silvano Ramos, requesting approval of a variance to Section 4.29 (C)(10) of the Garland Development Code requiring compliance of screening and landscaping requirements for an upgraded parking lot. This property is located at 409 and 411 East Walnut Street. (District 2) (File SL 24-01)]
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SOFTENED. THANK YOU. ALRIGHTY NE. OUR NEXT ITEM IS MISCELLANEOUS ITEM.CONSIDERATION OF THE APPLICATION IS SILVANO RAMOS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A VARIANCE TO SECTION 4.29 C 10 OF THE GARLAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIRING COMPLIANCE OF SCREENING AND LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS FOR AN UPGRADED PARKING LOT. THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 409 AND 411 EAST WALNUT STREET. AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE. DO YOU CARE TO COME UP AND SAY WELL, LET ME ASK, UH, COMMISSIONERS IS YOU WANNA HEAR ANYTHING FROM THE APPLICANT? YOU CAN COME UP IF YOU WANT OR WE CAN JUST, UH DISCUSS DOESN'T MATTER. ALRIGHT COMMISSIONERS.
UP TO YOU ALL. THIS IS FOR THE, UH VARIANCE TO THE SCREENING AND LANDSCAPING. AND JUST FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC. THIS UH, GENTLEMAN IS, UH, WANTING TO IMPROVE HIS PROPERTY BY TAKING OUT OLD WORN ASPHALT. REP PAVING IT WITH CONCRETE AND THAT TRIGGERS A LANDSCAPE ORDINANCE IN GARLAND, WHICH CAN BE QUITE ONEROUS, AND THIS WILL ALLOW HIM TO DO SOME LIMITED LANDSCAPING IMPROVEMENTS INSTEAD OF THE FULL BLOWN ORDINANCE. COMMISSION JENKINS A MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE AS PRESENTED SECOND OK MOTION BY COMMISSION JENKINS SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER ABEL TO APPROVE THIS APPLICATION ITEM FOUR A IN TOTAL. VARIANCE. C ALY AND JUST A BIT OF CLARIFICATION, MR GERN, SINCE THIS IS A VARIANCE, WE ARE THE FINAL DETERMINING BODY ON THAT IF IT'S APPROVED AND IT DOES NOT GO TO COUNCIL THAT IS CORRECT, SIR. IT IT IS APPROVED, AND, UH, LANDSCAPE AND SCREENING VARIANCES DO NOT CARRY FORWARD TO COUNSEL. IF THE PLANE CASE APPROVES. YOU HAVE TO APPROVAL AUORITY. YOU'RE GOOD TO GO. WELL, GET WITH STAFF FIRST,
[4.b. Consideration to amend various Sections of Chapter 1, "General Provisions," Chapter 2, "Zoning Regulations," Chapter 3, "Subdivision Regulations," Chapter 4, "Site Development," Chapter 5, "Relief Procedures & Enforcement," and Chapter 7, "Downtown (DT) District" of the Garland Development Code of the City of Garland, Texas.]
PLEASE. ALL RIGHTY. THE LAST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA. MISCELLANEOUS IS FOR B.CONSIDERATION TO AMEND VARIOUS SECTIONS OF CHAPTER ONE GENERAL PROVISIONS. CHAPTER TWO ZONING REGULATIONS, CHAPTER THREE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS, CHAPTER FOUR SITE DEVELOPMENT, CHAPTER FIVE RELIEF PROCEDURES AND ENFORCEMENT IN CHAPTER SEVEN DOWNTOWN DISTRICT OF THE GARLAND DEVELOPMENT CODE OF THE CITY OF GARLAND, TEXAS. WE HAVE BEEN, UH, FIRST OF ALL, I'LL ASK YOU IF THERE'S ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WE SHOULD ADDRESS THE ITEM AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S HERE FOR THAT. A BRIEF SUMMARY IS GARLAND HAS BEEN ONE OF THE MORE DIFFICULT PLACES TO DEVELOP AND THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF UPFRONT COSTS AND UPFRONT TIME INVOLVED IN CREATING WHAT WE CALL DETAIL PLANS OR ALMOST ALL THE ZONING HAS ALL THE ENGINEERING HAS TO BE LAID OUT.
ALL THE BUILDINGS HAVE TO BE DESIGNED, AND THAT'S A MASSIVE UPFRONT COST TO DEVELOPERS, SMALL AND LARGE. AND WHAT THIS IS AN ATTEMPT TO DO. IS TO PULL BACK FROM THE VERY DETAILED PLAN BACK TO CONCEPT PLANS AND ZONING CASES WHERE WE KNOW THE GENERAL SIZE SCOPE GENERAL LAYOUT. AND THAT WAY THESE COSTS AND TIME. ARE BEING SHIFTED FROM THE FRONT TO THE BACK OF THE PROJECT, AND IT WILL HELP THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY AND IT WILL HELP THE CITY OF GARLAND BECOME A MORE INVITING PLACE TO DO BUSINESS AND HOPEFULLY GOOD FOR OUR BOTTOM LINE IN OUR CITY. HAD A PRETTY GOOD OVERALL SUMMERING, OK? UM SO IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION AMONG THE COMMISSIONERS? I WILL HAVE A COUPLE OF POINTS, BUT, UH, ANY INPUT FROM THE COMMISSIONERS.
OKAY WE DID HAVE A FULL LIST OF ALL THE SECTIONS. AND I HAD ONE ITEM IN PARTICULAR THAT I WOULD LIKE UH, THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER REMOVING FROM THIS CHANGE. AND IT'S SECTION 2.05 F NINE, WHICH MEANS NOTHING TO ANYBODY OUT THERE, BUT IT'S THE PROCESS BY WHICH WE CAN POSTPONE. HEARINGS AT THE PLAN COMMISSION. AS IN 2019, THE STATE PASSED A LAW WHICH CREATED A SHOT CLOCK.
EVERYTHING HAD TO BE APPROVED WITHIN 30 DAYS, SO WE AS A BODY COULD NOT POSTPONE ANYTHING.
BECAUSE IT WOULD TAKE US BEYOND THE LEGAL TIME LIMIT. WELL THAT HAS BEEN LIFTED. AND WHEN THAT LAW PASSED, THAT WAS ONE OF THE MAJOR THINGS THAT DISTURBED ME ABOUT THE LAW IS THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES IN THE PAST WHERE MAJOR DEVELOPMENTS OR NEED TO GET TOGETHER WITH NEIGHBORS OR THEY WANT TO MAKE CHANGES. AND THEY CAN ASK FOR IT, BUT THEY HAVE TO DO WRITTEN REQUESTS, BUT THIS WOULD ALLOW THE PLAN COMMISSION TO SAY, WELL, LET'S POSTPONE FOR TWO WEEKS OR A MONTH. IT'S A
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TOOL. A TOOL THAT WE HOPE TO USE VERY RARELY RARE, RARELY BUT I THINK IT'S VITAL TO OUR DELIBERATIONS SO I WOULD REQUEST THAT THE CITY COUNCIL WHEN THIS GOES TO HIM, CONSIDER REMOVING THAT ITEM. AND, UH, OTHER THAN THAT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE I CAN ADD. SO CHANNEL ENTERTAIN A MOTION OR ANYTHING. CMISSION COMMISSIONER JENKINS THIS IS MORE DISCUSSION THAN IT IS MOTION TOWARDS THE WELL IT WOULD BE TO PASS IT ON TO. I THINK IT'S AN ACTION ITEM TO PASS ON TO THE CITY COUNCIL. YES BUT I GUESS THE QUESTION IS YOU THERE WERE SOME COMMENTS DURING THE WORK SESSION REGARDING TWO POINT I THINK IT WAS 10, C AND D. WAS THAT THE, UH THE DEFINITION OF A CONCEPT PLAN AND STUFF? YES YOU HAD SOME VERY SOLUTIONS ORIENTED SORT OF COMMENTS REGARDING THAT AS WELL. I CAN ADD SOME MORE. CLARITY. SOME SOME OF THIS, UM YOU KNOW, SECTION 2.11 B THE DEFINITION OF CONCEPT PLAN IS NOW WRITTEN TO SAY, TO PROVIDE THE GENERAL LAYOUT OF A PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. AND I HAD PROPOSED GENERAL LAYOUT AND SCALE AND POSSIBLY SCOPE, SO WE HAVE A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ABOUT THE SIZE OF BUILDINGS. MAYBE THE HEIGHTS AND LOCATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT A LOT OF THIS COMES BACK TO OUR STAFF. AND THEY WILL HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF LEEWAY IN THIS. AND SO IF A CONCEPT IT'S PASSED AND THEY COME BACK WITH SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT STAFF'S GONNA SAY. STOP. YOU HAVE TO GO BACK AND DO A NEW CONCEPT PLANS SO THIS DOES NOT TAKE THE PLAN COMMISSION OR THE CITY COUNCIL OUT OF THE PICTURE. AND THEY WILL STILL HAVE TO DO ALL THE ENGINEERING INVOLVED. ALL THOSE LITTLE DETAILS ARE REQUIRED UP FRONT, BUT IT'LL BECOME DURING THE PERMITTING PROCESS INSTEAD. AND I THINK YOU HAD SOME ANOTHER POINT THAT YOU WANT TO ADD. OH, OK. ALRIGHTY. AND THIS WOULD BE A VOTE TO MOVE IT ON TO COUNCIL WITH ANY RECOMMENDATIONS. COMMISSION LAW. LET ME CUT YOU THERE. I'M SORRY. UH, YOUR LIFE.UM I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE FORWARD THIS TWO COUNCIL WITH OUR RECOMMENDATIONS. AS YOU HAVE LISTED AND OUR APPROVAL IN REFERENCE TO OUR DISCUSSIONS IN THE BRIEFING, CORRECT MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DALTON, THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ABEL AND MMISSIONER ROSE YOU. HERE TO SAY SOMETHING? YEAH, UH, IF WE WERE TO VOTE, THIS DOWN, COUNCIL STILL CAN PASS IT. ISN'T THAT CORRECT? YEAH, WE'RE JUST A RECOMMENDING. SO WHAT FOR EVERYTHING. BUT THAT ONE VARIANCE VOTE WE DID WE HAVE. WE'VE ONLY BEEN A RECOMMENDING BODY. THANK YOU. YES. ALRIGHTY ANY DISCUSSION? THE MOTION IS TO MOVE. MOVE THIS ON WITH OUR RECOMMENDED CHANGES AND DISCUSSION. THAT PASSAGE 5 TO 1 WITH COMMISSIONER JENKINS IN OPPOSITION. ALL RIGHTY THAT TAKES CARE OF ALL THE ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA. SO UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING OF THE DAY OF THE SOLAR ECLIPSE. APRIL 8TH. YOU CAN COME TO DOWNTOWN GARLAND BETWEEN ONE AND THREE AND WATCH IT HANG AROUND, EAT DOWNTOWN AND COMES COME TO OUR MEETING ON THE EVENING OF
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