[00:00:13] JULY 22ND MEETING OF THE GARLAND PLANNING COMMISSION. THIS IS OUR WORK SESSION PORTION OF OUR MEETING WHERE WE GET BRIEFING FROM STAFF AND ASK QUESTIONS. AND AFTER WE'RE THROUGH WITH THAT, WE WILL TAKE A RECESS, COME BACK AT 7:00 FOR OUR PUBLIC HEARING PORTION. GOOD EVENING. COME ON DOWN. GOOD EVENING, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CONSENT AGENDA? NOPE. ALL RIGHT. THE FIRST CASE TONIGHT IS Z 2413. THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A SPECIFIC USE PROVISION FOR AUTOMOBILE SALES. NEW OR USED, AND AN EXISTING BUILDING USED FOR AUTOMOBILE REPAIR. THE SITE IS LOCATED AT 2723 NATIONAL PLACE. IT'S A .54 ACRE SITE, ZONED INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT. THIS IS WHERE THE SITE IS LOCATED WITHIN THE CITY. AND THIS IS WHERE THE SITE IS LOCATED WITHIN THE GENERAL AREA THAT IS COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY OTHER PROPERTIES. ZONED INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT. VARIOUS USES WITHIN THIS AREA. CONTAIN ALLOWED BY RIGHT USES SUCH AS WAREHOUSING, CONTRACTORS, OFFICE, WAREHOUSE, SMALL DISTRIBUTION CENTER AND AUTOMOBILE REPAIR, ETC. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS THIS AREA TAGGED FOR INDUSTRY CENTERS. INDUSTRY CENTERS PROVIDE A CLUSTER OF TRADE AND INDUSTRY THAT CUMULATIVELY EMPLOY LARGE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE. OPERATIONS WITHIN THIS DEVELOPMENT TYPE MAY REQUIRE SUBSTANTIAL INFRASTRUCTURE AND MAY RESULT IN MORE SIGNIFICANT NEGATIVE IMPACTS. OPERATIONS MAY INCLUDE, SUCH ELEMENTS AS SEMI-TRUCK TRAFFIC, LOADING DOCKS, AND VISIBLE OUTDOOR STORAGE. SITE DESIGN ADDRESSES. FUNCTIONAL AND VISUAL ESTHETICS THAT PROVIDE APPROPRIATE BUFFERING AT GATEWAY CORRIDORS, BETWEEN ADJACENT DEVELOPMENTS, AND FOR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. HERE ARE PHOTOS OF THE SITE, THE FIRST LOOKING NORTH TOWARD THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING FROM NATIONAL PLACE, AND THE SECOND LOOKING EAST DOWN NATIONAL PLAC. THE NEXT TWO PHOTOS LOOKING WEST, TOWARD THE BUILDING FROM NATIONAL PLACE AND SOUTH FROM NATIONAL PLACE. HERE'S THE SITE PLAN, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE PROPOSED SITE IS ONE SUITE WITHIN, FOUR BUILDINGS, IT IS THE EASTERNMOST SUITE. I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE BACK ON THE PHOTOS HERE, THERE IS A BAY DOOR IN THE BACK WHERE CARS COULD BE STORED INTERNALLY. THE APPLICANT, REQUESTS TO ALLOW THE AUTOMOBILE SALES NEW OR USED. USE WHICH REQUIRES A SPECIFIC USE PROVISION IN THE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT. THERE ARE NO SITE CHANGES PROPOSED WITH THIS REQUEST. THEREFORE, THE REQUEST DOES NOT TRIGGER ANY SCREENING, LANDSCAPING, OR BUILDING DESIGN STANDARDS. THE APPLICANT PROPOSES THAVEHICLES ON THIS PROPERTY WILL BE STORED INSIDE THE BUILDING, AND THE APPLICANT REQUESTS THE SCP BE VALID FOR A TIME PERIOD OF FOUR YEARS. THE DRAFT SCP CONDITIONS LIMIT THE SITE TO ONLY STORING CARS AND DOORS WITH A FOUR YEAR SCP TIME PERIOD. STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL OF A SPECIFIC USE PROVISION FOR AN AUTOMOBILE SALES NEW OR USED, USE ON A PROPERTY ZONED INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT, AND A PLAN FOR AUTOMOBILE SALES. NEW OR USED. USE WE SENT OUT 83 NOTIFICATION LETTERS. WE RECEIVED THREE. ONE WAS WITHIN THE AREA AGAINST THE REQUEST AND TWO WERE OUTSIDE THE NOTIFICATION AREA AGAINST THE REQUEST. I AM OPEN TO ANY QUESTIONS. ANY QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE. ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO ASK ONE. OKAY, COMMISSIONER ABEL AND COMMISSIONER DUCKWORTH, WHAT IS TRIGGERING THE RECOMMENDATION FOR DENIAL HERE, SO FROM OUR VIEW, WE LEANED ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH HAS MORE OF A VISION FOR LARGE INDUSTRY. IN THIS AREA. AND WE FELT THAT JUST A SMALL AUTOMOBILE SALES SITE, DOES NOT REALLY ALIGN WITH THE VIEW FOR THE INDUSTRIAL AREA AND INTENTION. AND THERE ARE OTHER AUTOMOBILE SERVICE ITEMS IN HERE. OR IS IT, IS IT ALL INDUSTRIAL. SO THIS SO AUTOMOBILE REPAIR IS WHAT CURRENTLY IS ACTUALLY THIS SITE THAT'S ALLOWED BY. RIGHT, BUT TWO MONTHS. SO THERE ARE NO TOMOBILE SALES IN THIS AREA THAT ARE AT LEAST NOT GRANDFATHERED IN OR NOT LEGAL NONCONFORMING. SO THERE ARE NO SUPS IN THE AREA FOR AUTOMOBILE SALES. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER DUCKWORTH AND COMMISSIONER ROSE, DID YOU SAY THAT THIS WAS A BUILDING WITH [00:05:06] IT'S DIVIDED INTO FOUR DIFFERENT SPACES? YES, SIR, BUT THEY EACH HAVE THEIR THEIR OWN ADDRESS. SO THAT'S WHY IT DOESN'T SAY, LIKE A SUITE NUMBER, BUT IT IS FOUR DIFFERENT ADDRESSES AND ONE OVERALL STRUCTURE. AND THE TAG ON COMMISSIONER ABEL'S QUESTION THERE, ARE THERE OTHER AUTOMOBILE STORAGE OR REPAIRS WITHIN THE GENERAL AREA OF THIS PROPERTY, I BELIEVE THERE ARE OTHER AUTOMOBILE REPAIR OPERATIONS WITHIN THE GENERAL AREA, AS IS THIS SITE RIGHT NOW, WHICH ARE ALLOWED BY RIGHT. BUT I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY AUTOMOBILE SALES AS THERE ARE NO SUPS ACTIVE IN THE AREA. SO IT'S ALL REPAIR, NO SALES. IF THERE ARE ANY AUTOMOBILE USES IN THE GENERAL AREA, THEY WOULD ALL BE REPAIR. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER ROSE. WHY A FOR YOU FOR YEAR. SUP, THE APPLICANT REQUEST FOR YEARS ON THE SUP, IN ORDER TO CONVEY THAT, THEY'RE WILLING TO TAKE A SHORTER TIME PERIOD TO PROVE THAT THEY'D BE A GOOD USE OR A GOOD, TENANT AT THIS SITE. SELLING AUTOMOBILE SALES. HAVE THEY TALKED TO YOU ABOUT COMING BACK AND SAY WE'VE SURVIVED THE FOUR YEARS JUST PERFECTLY? WE WANT A 30 YEAR? OR HAVE THEY SAID ANYTHING LIKE THAT, RIGHT NOW THEY'RE FOCUSING ON GETTING APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST. OKAY. THANK YOU. SEE? NO OTHER QUESTIONS. THE SECOND AND FINAL CASE TONIGHT IS Z 2426. THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A LINEMAN TRAINING AREA AND BULK MATERIALS STORAGE. THE SITE IS LOCATED AT 2701 EAST CENTERVILLE ROAD. IT IS A 55 ACRE SITE, ZONED PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 8562. THIS IS WHERE THE SITE IS LOCATED WITHIN THE CITY. AND THIS IS WHERE THE SITE IS LOCATED WITHIN THE GENERAL AREA, TO THE NORTH, IT IS BORDERED BY THE DART RAIL LINE. AND THEN TO THE NORTH OF THAT IS THE INDUSTRIAL, KIND OF DISTRICT OF THE AREA. MUCH OF THAT IS, CITY PROPERTY AS WELL, TO THE EAST IS THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT, IT IS ZONED AGRICULTURE, AND SO THAT IS PART OF THE REQUEST FOR THE STORAGE, THAT IS PROPOSED ON THIS SITE FROM THAT SITE, AND THEN TO THE SOUTH, WE HAVE VARIOUS PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS FOR RESIDENTIAL USES AS WELL AS ANOTHER KIND OF MIXED COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL. AND THAT PD 86 FIVE BELOW. THOUGH MOST OF THIS, THE AREAS ALONG THE BORDER ARE, ARE FLOODPLAIN PARCELS. AND THEN FINALLY TO THE WEST THERE IS THAT SCP FOR A, DAYCARE, THOUGH IT IS, ON A VACANT SITE, WHERE A CHURCH WAS PROPOSED. SO IT IS AN EMPTY LOT, THOUGH IT IS AN SCP, AND AGAIN, THE SOUTHERN DEVELOPMENTS ARE ALL PDS AND STRAIGHT ZONING FOR SINGLE FAMILY SEVEN LOTS. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS THIS AREA FOR PARKS AND OPEN SPACE. PUBLIC, THE WESTERNMOST STAR BEING FOR THE LINEMAN TRAINING IN THE EASTERNMOST STAR BEING FOR THE STORAGE, PUBLIC PARKS AND OPEN SPACES INCLUDE A VAST ARRAY OF PARK RECREATION AND OPEN SPACE. LANDS CAN RANGE FROM YOU KNOW, PLAYGROUNDS AND OUTDOOR PICNIC AREAS, TO, NATURAL AREAS AND FLOODPLAINS, WHICH IS THE ONE THAT APPLIES TO THIS SITE, DEVELOPMENT OF GP AND L TRAINING AND STORAGE FACILITIES ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY DOES NOT PRECLUDE FUTURE PARKS AND OPEN SPACE OPPORTUNITIES IN THIS GENERAL AREA. HERE ARE PHOTOS OF THE SITE. THE FIRST IS LOOKING WEST FROM EAST CENTERVILLE ROAD SO THAT WOULD BE LIKE THE GATES TO ACCESS THE SITE. SO YOU CAN SEE THERE THOSE LARGE EXISTING POWER LINES CUTTING THROUGH, THE WOODS RIGHT THERE. THEN LOOKING EAST ACROSS CENTERVILLE ROAD, YOU SEE THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT AND THEN FINALLY JUST LOOKING NORTH AND SOUTH DOWN EAST CENTERVILLE ROAD. HERE'S THE CONCEPT PLAN. YOU CAN SEE THE LONG CONNECTION FROM THE ROAD TO THE, SITE. AND THEN THE CONNECTION FROM EAST CENTERVILLE TO THE STORAGE SITE. SORRY, THE FIRST ONE BEING THE LINEMAN TRAINING SITE, SO YOU CONNECT HERE FROM DAVIDSON AND THEN FROM EAST CENTERVILLE, ADDITIONALLY, THE APPLICANT REQUESTED WE SHOW THIS, SO IT'S A BIT MORE JUST FOCUSED ON THE SATELLITE VIEW AND, AND THE WOODS, AS WELL AS WHERE THESE LINEMAN TRAINING AND STORAGE FACILITIES WOULD TAKE PLACE, BOTH OF THEM GENERALLY TAKE PLACES IN AREAS THAT ARE ALREADY CLEARED OF TREES, WHETHER THAT BE NATURAL OR JUST IN THE PAST. FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THOSE POWER LINES, THERE'S A BIT OF A KIND OF CLEARING HERE, THOUGH THIS DOES SOMEWHAT ENCROACH INTO IT, AS WELL AS A LARGE CLEARING OF TREES RIGHT HERE WHERE THE STORAGE SITE BEGINS, THIS SITE WILL BE USED TO CREATE A 1.57 [00:10:03] ACRE LINEMAN TRAINING AREA AND A SEPARATE 1.2 ACRE, HYDROVAC SPOILS AND MATERIAL STORAGE AREA. NO STRUCTURES ARE PROPOSED ON THIS SITE, SO THEY WILL JUST BE OUTDOORS, USES, A TEN FOOT WIDE LANDSCAPE BUFFER IS PROPOSED ALONG EAST CENTERVILLE ROAD AND WILL COMPLY WITH THE GDC STANDARDS IN ADDITION, A FIVE FOOT TALL COATED CHAIN LINK FENCE WITH A SIX FOOT MINIMUM TALL, CONTINUOUS AND OPAQUE LIVING SCREEN OF EVERGREEN SHRUBS FROM THE GDC WILL BE IMPLEMENTED, FOR THAT STORAGE SITE ALONG EAST CENTERVILLE ROAD, AGAIN, THAT DOES MEET THE GDC REQUIREMENTS, ALL PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS LIE OUTSIDE THE FLOODPLAIN, DESPITE MOST OF THIS SITE, FALLING WITHIN THE 1% EXCEEDENCE FLOODPLAIN. FINALLY, NO FREESTANDING SIGNAGE IS PROPOSED. SIGNAGE WILL BE MOUNTED ALONG THE GATES, AT THE TWO ACCESS POINTS. AND THEY WILL COMPLY WITH GDC STANDARDS. SO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF AN AMENDMENT TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 8562 FOR INDUSTRIAL AND COMMUNITY RETAIL USES AND A CONCEPT PLAN FOR A LINEMAN TRAINING AND BULK MATERIALS STORAGE. WE SENT OUT 184 NOTIFICATION LETTERS, AND WE RECEIVED 110. FIVE WERE WITHIN THE AREA IN FAVOR OF THE REQUEST, 49 WERE WITHIN THE NOTIFICATION AREA, AND AGAINST THE REQUEST. TWO WERE OUTSIDE THE NOTIFICATION AREA IN FAVOR OF THE REQUEST, AND 54 WERE OUTSIDE THE NOTIFICATION AREA AGAINST THE REQUEST. I'M OPEN TO ANY AND ALL QUESTIONS. SO YOU'RE GOING TO NAME OFF ALL THE PEOPLE? NO. NO, SIR. ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER DUCKWORTH AND COMMISSIONER JENKINS, CAN YOU TELL US HOW HOW LONG THE CITY HAS OWNED THIS PROPERTY, SO I, I AM NOT AWARE OF HOW LONG THIS SITE HAS BEEN IN POSSESSION OF THE CITY OR GAL. MY MEMORY SERVES ME. THAT WAS PRIOR TO THE DEVELOPMENTS, THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS IN THAT AREA. SO THAT USED TO BE ALL RAW LAND BECAUSE IT WAS SO CLOSE TO THE FLOODPLAIN. YES. AND THEN, THOSE SITES TO THE NORTH, THE INDUSTRIAL AREA, I DO KNOW MANY OF THEM HAVE BEEN OWNED BY THE CITY FOR QUITE SOME TIME. HAS THERE BEEN ANY DISCUSSION ON THE TIMES THIS PROPTY WOULD BE USED MOSTLY DURING THE DAYTIME, THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY DISCUSSION, BUT I DO IMAGINE AT LEAST THE LINEMAN TRAINING WOULD TAKE PLACE DURING THE DAY, BUT I'D LET THE APPLICANT HANDLE THAT TYPE OF QUESTION. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER JENKINS, THEN, COMMISSIONER ROSE. MR. CHAIRMAN, GOOD EVENING, SIR. LOOKING DAPPER, AS ALWAYS, MIGHT I ADD. THANK YOU SIR. THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS ONE, IS ROUGHLY THREE ACRES, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR. I'M SORRY, 1.57, 1.2. SO YOU HAVE ROUGHLY THREE. WHAT IS THE TOTAL ACREAGE OF THE SITE? IT'S JUST, SHORT OF 55 ACRES. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S THE FIRST QUESTION. SECOND, WHERE IS THE I HEARD YOU SAY IN YOUR PRESENTATION THAT IT'S TO ACCOMMODATE THE USE ACROSS THE STREET, SO PART OF THE STORAGE WAS FOR, HYDROVAC SPOILS, AND THAT COMES FROM THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT, WHICH IS DIRECTLY ACROSS EAST CENTERVILL, BUT THAT'S THAT WAS MORE OF A SIDE NOTE, BECAUSE MOST OF THE STORAGE WILL BE FOR BULK MATERIALS. IT'S JUST TEMPORARILY SOME OF THE SPOILS FROM THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET ARE GOING TO BE PUT ON THAT STORAGE SITE. OKAY. THANK YOU. THIRD AND FOURTH QUESTION RELATING TO THE USE OF THE PUBLIC SPACE. SO IT WAS ENVISIONED UNDER THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO BE A PUBLIC SPACE, DO WE KNOW THAT THE CITY IS WILLING TO MAKE THAT COMMITMENT, THAT THAT IT'S GOING TO NOT DO ANY FURTHER DEVELOPMENT ON THE SPACE? AND, COMMIT TO DOING THAT OPEN, OPEN PARK, PUBLIC SPACE PLAN, SO AS FOR RIGHT NOW. SO AGAIN, THE PUBLIC SPACES CAN REFER TO AREAS THAT ARE SIMPLY JUST FLOODPLAINS AND NATURAL AREAS, AS WELL AS ACTUAL REAL PARKS, SPACE, AND SO, YOU KNOW, DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE WITHIN THE CITY, WE FOUND THAT THERE A NO PLANS FOR THIS AREA TO BE EVER USED. AT THE MOMENT, THERE ARE NO PLANS FOR BEING A PUBLIC PARK, BUT WITH A PROPERTY BEING OWNED BY EITHER GAL OR THE CITY DIRECTLY. I MEAN, THERE'S NO RULING OUT ANY SORT OF DEVELOPMENT IN THE FUTURE, BUT IT'S HIGHLY UNLIKELY. AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT WOULD ALSO BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT THIS. NO. YEAH. THANK YOU. I ALSO, I GUESS WHAT I WAS THINKING IS, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE CONSERVATION EASEMENTS THAT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, SUBMITTED AND THEN THEREAFTER THE CITY, YOU KNOW, SAY WE ARE DEDICATING THIS SPACE TO, YOU KNOW, THE NATURAL AREA. I GUESS I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF THE CITY HAS AN INTEREST IN DOING THAT, OR IF THAT'S NOT A COMMITMENT THE CITY WOULD LIKE TO TAKE AT THIS TIME, I AM NOT AWARE OF ANY PLANS OF THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER ROSE, THE APPLICANT IS, LOOKING AT BUYING APPROXIMATELY THREE ACRES FROM THE CITY. NO, SIR. IT'S, SO THE OWNER IS THE CITY. THE APPLICANT IS JUST THE GAL, SO IT'S LIKELY JUST LEASED OR [00:15:07] THEY'RE ABLE JUST TO GO AHEAD AND DO IT. OH, BUT THE APPLICANT MIGHT BE. THE APPLICANT IS THE ENGINEER FOR THE PROJECT. YES. OKAY, AND I'M SURE THEY'D BE ABLE TO ANSWER. THE CITY IS GOING TO MAINTAIN OWNERSHIP OF THE WHOLE THING STILL. YES, SINCE IT WILL BE USED FOR GPL USES. OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY, I'VE GOT MY LIST, ONE IS, AND THIS IS MORE FOR THE APPLICANT. IF THEY CAN SPEAK TO THE NATURE OF WHAT IS LYING LINEMAN TRAINING INVOLVED, OR THEY'RE GOING TO BE 100 FOOT POLES THAT THEY'RE CLIMBING. OH, LET ME GO BACK. COMMISSIONER DUCKWORTH AND COMMISSIONER JENKINS. THANK YOU. SIR. I WAS GOING TO CLARIFY. I THINK YOU SAID THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY TREES OR VEGETATION TAKEN DOWN, BUT I WOULD LIKE I DID NOT I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY, I DIDN'T CLAIM THAT, BUT JUST, THAT A LOT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT WAS THEY WANTED TO SHOW THAT IT WAS ALSO KIND OF IN THE CLEARINGS, LIKE ALREADY I'M AGAIN, I'D LIKE THE APPLICANT TO CLARIFY THAT. AND IF TREES ARE REMOVED, I THINK THEY'D BE ABLE TO KIND OF TOUCH ON THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER JENKINS. THANK YOU. I'M SORRY. CAN YOU REMIND ME? WHAT? CAN YOU MOVE BACK? ONE MAP AND REMIND ME WHAT THE BI-RITE. USES? THAT THE LAND COULD BE DEVELOPED BY THE CITY. ARE WHAT USES IS PROPOSED, SO IT'S THE LINEMAN TRAINING ON THE WEST. I'M SORRY. IT'S SO. IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED. ZONED? OH WHAT? IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED. I'VE GOT THAT INFORMATION HERE. IT'S GOING TO BE PART OF MY. THANK YOU. OKAY. QUITE THE DETAILED PD ON VARIETY OF COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL USES, SIR. THANK YOU. ALRIGHTY OKAY, BACK WAS I THINK WE'D ALL LIKE TO KNOW THE NATURE OF LINEMAN TRAINING. AND I'VE DONE SOME RESEARCH ON HYDROVAC SPOILS, BUT. AND WHAT CONCERNS ME IS COMING FROM THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT AND THAT THING HAS ALWAYS GENERATED SMELLS. WHAT KIND OF SPOILS ARE GOING TO BE THERE NEXT? THE NEIGHBORS AND SOME OF THE MATERIAL I FOUND WAS FROM CANADA, WHERE THEY HAVE TO TEST WHATEVER STUFF THEY STORE. AND THEN OTHER MATERIALS. WHAT MATERIALS ARE THOSE? ARE THEY PLANNING A WALL AROUND IT, SOME OF THAT STUFF. I'D LIKE TO KNOW, A WALL AROUND THE STORAGE SITE. YEAH, SO RIGHT NOW, I BELIEVE THEY'RE JUST GOING TO COMPLY WITH CDC STANDARDS. THEY WOULD BE OUTSIDE SIX FOOT WALL, YEAH. THE, COATED CHAIN LINK FENCE AND THE SIX FOOT MINIMUM, OPAQUE EVERGREEN SHRUBS. OKAY. ALRIGHTY. AND I WOULD BE PROPOSING SOME CONDITIONS THAT THERE ARE NO BUILDINGS. THE MAXIMUM WALL HEIGHT AROUND THE STORAGE, AND THAT ALL THE DRIVES BE ALONG THE TRANSMISSION LINE EASEMENT. AND THERE'S, IN THE EXISTING PD. AND WE NEED TO CLEAN IS UP A LITTLE BIT. IT'S QUITE THE LONG PD. THEY'RE CLOSE TO FIVE PAGES OF ALLOWED USES IN THAT AREA. AND AS, FORMER COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER, POINTED OUT, LET'S JUST REMOVE ALL OF THESE. AND ONLY ALLOW THE USES THAT THEY ARE PROVIDING HERE BECAUSE WE'RE AMENDING THE PD, WE CAN REMOVE ALL THE EXISTING USES, CLEAN IT UP THAT WAY. SO I WOULD PROPOSE, REMOVING ALL THOSE USES AND MAKING SURE THERE IS VERBIAGE IN HERE ABOUT MAINTAINING TREES AND EXISTING PD. THERE'S A WHOLE PARAGRAPH, EXISTING NATURAL VEGETATION OF TREES AND UNDERGROWTH SHALL BE KEPT AS CLOSE AS PRACTICABLE TO THE EXISTING CONDITIONS, AND GOES ON FROM THERE. I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT STAYS IN THERE. AND HAS ANYBODY, ENVISIONED GARLAND SINCE PARKS AND OPEN SPACES. ANYBODY TALK TO THE PARKS BOARD IF THEY HAD ANY VISIONS FOR THIS AREA? I DID NOT SPEAK TO THE PARKS BOARD, BUT CHECKING THE, PARKS DEPARTMENT'S, OPPORTUNITY MAP. THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY PLANS FOR THIS. OKAY AND NOISES ARE GOING TO BE ANY NOISE AND UTILITIES. ARE THEY GOING TO BE BRINGING ANY UTILITIES IN WHERE THEY HAVE TO DIG THINGS UP AND TAKE OUT MORE TREES, THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. RIGHT. AND A LOT OF THIS IS JUST FOR THE APPLICANT. THE EXACT DETAILS OF THE OPERATION. I KNOW THINGS CAN KIND OF CHANGE OR THEY WISH TO DO ONE RIGHT, THE OTHER AND THEN I'LL HAVE A COMMENT AGAIN IN THE MEETING. MORE FOR COUNCIL. THERE ARE TWO OTHER PD'S BETWEEN THIS AND THE EXISTING HOUSES, AND ONE OF THEM INCLUDES THE HOUSES, BUT 80 6-5 AND 86 DASH 54 I THINK WOULD BE GOOD FOR THE COUNCIL TO PULL THOSE BACK UP AND MAYBE CLEAN THEM OUT IF THEY'VE GOT ANOTHER FIVE PAGES OF USES THAT WE DON'T WANT THERE. I THINK THAT'S ENOUGH. OKAY. ALL RIGHTY. ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHTY. THAT WAS THE LAST ITEM. SO UNTIL 7:00 WE ARE IN RECESS. THANK YOU SIR. [00:30:11] WELCOME BACK TO THE JULY 22ND MEETING OF THE GARLAND PLANNING COMMISSION. THIS IS OUR WORK [00:30:18] SESSION PORTION. WE COMMISSIONERS START OUR MEETING WITH A PRAYER AND A PLEDGE. [00:30:22] YOU'RE INVITED TO JOIN US. WHETHER YOU DO OR NOT. IN NO WAY AFFECTS THE DECISIONS OF THIS COMMISSION. TONIGHT'S PRAYER AND PLEDGE WILL BE LED BY COMMISSIONER DALTON. IF YOU CARE TO JOIN ME, OUR MOST GRACIOUS AND LOVING HEAVENLY FATHER, WE COME THANKING YOU FOR ALL OF THE GRACE AND BEAUTY THAT YOU BROUGHT US. WE THANK YOU FOR THE COUNTRY WE LIVE IN, THE CITY WE LIVE IN. WE THANK YOU FOR THE REFRESHING RAINS THAT CAME TODAY AND ARE EXPECTED THE REST OF THE WEEK. WE ASK FATHER THAT YOU LOOK OVER US, WATCH OVER US, GIVE US THE WISDOM TO MAKE THE DECISION BEST FOR THE CITIZENS AND THE CITY THAT WE LIVE IN. PLEASE GUARD. PROTECT THOSE THAT PROTECT US. THESE THINGS WE ASK IN JESUS CHRIST NAME, AMEN. AMEN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. ALL RIGHT. WELL, GOOD EVENING. IT'S GOOD TO SEE SOME FOLKS OUT IN THE CROWD. ALL RIGHTY. EXCUSE ME. APPLICANTS FOR SPEAKING ROLES TONIGHT. APPLICANTS? WE ALLOW 15 MINUTES TO SPEAK, AND WE WANT EVERYBODY WHO SPEAKS TO. PLEASE STATE THEIR NAME AND ADDRESS AND THE MICROPHONE. OTHER SPEAKERS. WE ALLOW THREE MINUTES. BUT IF YOU'RE SPEAKING FOR A GROUP SUCH AS A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, WE DEFINITELY ALLOW MORE TIME. AND AFTER ALL THAT, WE ASK THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK UP AND RESPOND TO ANYTHING [ CONSENT AGENDA All items under this section are recommended for approval by a single motion of the Plan Commission, without discussion. The Plan Commission has had the opportunity to review each of these items during a pre-meeting. The Chairman will announce the agenda and provide an opportunity for members of the audience and the Plan Commission to request that an item be removed and considered separately. ] AND AGAIN, NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. WE'LL START TONIGHT WITH OUR CONSENT AGENDA. CONSENT AGENDA ARE ITEMS OR IN TONIGHT'S CASE, AN ITEM WHICH THE COMMISSION HAS REVIEWED AND WILL BE VOTING TO APPROVE IN ONE MOTION. I'LL READ THE ITEM OFF. AND IF ANYBODY WANTS THE ITEM REMOVED FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION, WHICH SINCE THERE'S ONE ITEM, IT ALMOST IS, LET ME KNOW AND I WILL PULL IT. CONSENT AGENDA ITEM ONE A CONSIDER APPROVAL OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. MINUTES FOR THE JULY EIGHTH, 2024 MEETING. NOBODY'S ANXIOUS TO PULL IT OFF FOR CONSIDERATION. NOW. HEAR A MOTION. MR. CHAIR. COMMISSIONER JENKINS, THE MOTION TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED SECOND AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ABEL. ALL RIGHTY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. AND THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ALL [a. Consideration of the application of Mojibola Shobande, requesting approval of 1) a Specific Use Provision (SUP) for an Automobile Sales, New or Used Use and 2) a Plan for an Automobile Sales, New or Used Use. This property is located at 2723 National Place. (District 5) (File Z 24-13) ] RIGHT, NEXT ITEM ON OUR CASE IS ZONING CASE ITEM TWO A, THE APPLICATION OF MR. SHERBONDY REQUESTING APPROVAL OF SPECIFIC USE PROVISION S U P FOR AUTOMOBILE SALES. NEW OR USED, AND A PLAN FOR AUTOMOBILE SALES NEW OR USED. USE THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 2723 NATIONAL PLACE. LET'S SEE, IS THE APPLICANT HERE? CARE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE AN APPLICANT HERE TONIGHT. DO WE? THEN IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISH TO ADDRESS THIS ITEM? THAT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE'VE HAD THAT COMMISSIONERS MOTION OR DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER ABEL, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND DECLINE, AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. SECOND MOTION BY COMMISSIONER ABEL, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER, ROSE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND DENY THE APPLICATION. ANY DISCUSSION THE MOTION IS TO DENY. THE MOTION TO DENY PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ALL RIGHTY. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA. [b. Consideration of the application of R-Delta Engineers, Inc., requesting approval of 1) an Amendment to Planned Development (PD) District 85-62 for Industrial and Community Retail Uses and 2) a Concept Plan for a Lineman Training & Bulk Materials Storage. This property is located at 2701 East Centerville Road. (District 2) (File Z 24-26)] ITEM TWO B CONSIDERATION THE APPLICATION OF OUR DELTA ENGINEERS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF AN AMENDMENTNT TO PLAN DEVELOPMT DISTRICT 85, DASH 62 FOR INDUSTRIAL AND COMMUNITY RETAIL USES AND A CONCEPT PLAN FOR ALIGNMENT, TRAINING AND BULK MATERIALS STORAGE. THIS PROPERTY PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 2701 EAST CENTERVILLE ROAD AND. I DON'T THINK I HAVE A CARD FROM THE [00:35:06] APPLICANT, DO I? IF NOT, IT'S THE APPLICANT HERE. COME ON DOW. YOU KNOW THE SYSTEM. GO AHEAD. AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THE ADMISSION OF THE SPEAKER CARD. APPARENTLY, I DON'T KNOW THE SYSTEM THAT WELL. SO MY NAME IS FRANK PALMA WITH DELTA ENGINEERS, 618 MAIN STREET IN GARLAND. SO WE HAVE AN EXISTING SITE ZONING UNDER ORDINANCE 3879 IS A PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR GENERAL BUSINESS AND MEDIUM INDUSTRIAL LAND USES ON THE PROPERTY. OUR REQUEST IS TO AMEND THE PD THAT'S ATTACHED TO THAT FOR DEVELOPMENT OF A GPL LINEMAN TRAINING AREA AND A MATERIALS STORAGE AREA. TOTAL TRACT ACREAGE IS 54.99 ACRES, TWO SMALL SITES ARE PROPOSED. BOTH ARE SITUATED ADJACENT TO THE EXISTING RAILROAD CORRIDOR ABUTTING THE NORTHERLY PROPERTY LINE. THE LINEMAN TRAINING AREA IS 1.6 ACRES, ACCESSED FROM DAVIDSON DRIVE. MATERIAL STORAGE AREA IS 1.4 ACRES, ACCESSED FROM CENTERVILLE ROAD, AND NO BUILDINGS ARE PROPOSED. LINEMAN TRAINING AREA WILL BE A CRUSHED ROCK SURFACED YARD FOR USE BY GPD L TO TRAIN PERSONNEL ON OVERHEAD AND UNDERGROUND ELECTRICAL DISTRIBUTION, CONSTRUCTION MATERIAL, STORAGE AREA CONSISTS OF CONCRETE PAVING WITH SHORT THREE SIDED WALLS FOR GRAVEL AND SAND STORAGE, AS WELL AS TEMPORARY STORAGE OF HYDRO EXCAVATION. MUDDY WATER BASICALLY FOR DRYING PURPOSES, AND THEN IT'LL BE HAULED OFF AND DISPOSED ELSEWHERE IN THE LANDFILL. COMBINED AREA OF THE TWO FACILITIES IS 5.4% OF THE PROPERTY, EXCLUDING THE ACCESS ROADS. THE REMAINDER WILL BE LEFT IN ITS NATURAL STATE. SHOULD THE CITY GPL CONTEMPLATE ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, CLEARLY WE'RE BACK HERE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE PD OR SO ON, BUT THERE ARE NO PLANS FOR THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, IN THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE. BUT, I MEAN, I CAN'T SPEAK IN, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATE FOR THE CITY, THE GPL FACILITIES PROPOSED ON THE PROPERTY DISTURB A RELATIVELY SMALL AREA AND GENERATE FAR LESS NOISE AND TRAFFIC COMPARED TO WHAT THE GENERAL BUSINESS AND THE MEDIUM INDUSTRIAL USES ALLOWED UNDER THE EXISTING ZONING WOULD PRODUCE. THERE CURRENTLY IS AN ACCESS ROUTE THAT FOLLOWS THE EXISTING HIGH VOLTAGE TRANSMISSION LINE THAT TRAVERSES THE SITE EAST TO WEST. THE PROPOSED CESS ROAD GENERALLY FOLLOWS THIS PATH AND HAS THE BENEFIT OF APPROVING, APPROVING ACCESS TO THIS CRITICAL POWER INFRASTRUCTURE LANDSCAPE. SCREENING ALONG CENTERVILLE ROAD ROAD FRONTAGE WILL BE PROVIDED IN ACCORDANCE WITH CITY ORDINANCES. THE APPROXIMATE DISTANCE FROM THE MATERIAL STORAGE SITE TO, ADJACENT HOMES IN THE SUMMERFIELD SUBDIVISION VARIES FROM 519 TO 940FT. APPROXIMATE DISTANCE FROM THE LINEMAN TRAINING AREA TO MILL CREEK CROSSING HOMES VARIES FROM 535 TO 615FT. OURS OPERATION, ARE GOING TO BE 7 A.M. TO 4 P.M. MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION. YOU KNOW, THERE COULD BE SOMETHING ON THE WEEKENDS, BUT, YEAH, THIS THIS IS A MUNICIPAL OPERATIONS AND WE KNOW THEY PRETTY MUCH RUN MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, TYPICAL TRAFC AT THE STORAGE SITE IS ESTIMATED AS 20 OR LESS TRUCKS PER DAY. WE ARE PROPOSING A LEFT TURN LANE INTO THE SITE FOR NORTHBOUND CENTERVILLE ROAD TO TURN LEFT INTO THE SITE. CONSTRUCTION. WELL, CONSTRUCTION DURATION WILL BE ABOUT 90 DAYS. ONCE IT GETS KICKED OFF. THEN WE DID MEET WITH THE SUMMERFIELD. HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION ON JULY 1ST VIA ZOOM TO DISCUSS THE PROJECT. SO INITIALLY, IT SEEMED TO BE A LOT OF CONCERN SINCE THE ZONING ONLINE POSTING SHOWED THE ENTIRE PROPERTY JUST CROSS-HATCHED ZONING CHANGE 5055 ACRES HERE. THE POSTING SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN INTERPRETED THAT IT WOULD BE DEVELOPED IN ITS ENTIRETY, BUT I CANNOT SPEAK FOR THE HOA. BUT MY IMPRESSION, WAS THAT THE DEVELOPMENT ONCE EXPLAINED BECAME MUCH LESS OBJECTIONABLE TO THE MAJORITY OF THE MEETING PARTICIPANTS. I KNOW THERE'S STILL PLENTY OF OBJECTION, BUT AS STARTING OUT WITH A 55 ACRE DEVELOPMENT, DROPPING IT DOWN TO THREE, YOU KNOW, SEEMS TO ALLEVIATE SOME CONCERNS. SO BASED ON THE WOR SESSION CONVERSATION, THE POLE HEIGHTS AND THE, LINEMAN TRAINING AREA WILL BE LESS THAN 40FT OR LESS. TYPICALLY, THEY'RE, SINGLE PHASE DISTRIBUTION OR SINGLE CIRCUIT DISTRIBUTIONS 38FT ABOVE THE GROUND, THE WALLS AROUND THE MATERIALS BE FOUR FEET OR LESS IN HEIGHT. SO THAT I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER DALTON, THANKS FOR COMING DOWN. YES, SIR. FIRST OFF, THE QUESTION GOT RAISED REPEATEDLY IN COMMENTS [00:40:03] CONCERNING THE TREE LINE. YOU'RE NOT TOUCHING THE TREE LINE. YOU'RE NOT REMOVING ANY TREES. WELL WE HAVE TO REMOVE A FEW. OKAY. THE FAR NORTH EXTREME OF THE PROPERTY, IS THERE A WAY TO GET DO YOU HAVE GOOGLE EARTH ON THIS BY CHANCE? DID. IT'D BE EXTRAORDINARILY HELPFUL. BUT OTHERWISE, IF YOU COULD JUST BRING UP THE CONCEPT PLAN OR THAT THAT MAP THAT I GAVE YOU. YEAH. SO THAT'D BE FINE. AND, YOU COULD BOUNCE BETWEEN THESE TWO. YEAH. THIS THIS ONE HERE IS FINE. SO THEY'RE UP HERE AT THE LINEMAN TRAINING AS WELL AS THE MATERIAL STORAGE THERE. THERE ARE SOME TREES. SO BASICALLY, ON THIS SITE, 43.4 ACRES OUT OF THE 55 IS HEAVILY WOODED. WE PROPOSE TO REMOVE ABOUT THREE ACRES OF TREES, WHICH IS A LITTLE LESS THAN 7, ALL OF WHICH, AGAIN, IS RIGHT UP HERE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. YOU KNOW, WHERE WE'VE GOT THESE SMALL DEVELOPMENTS. OKAY. ON SO YOU'RE NOT DISTURBING THE MAIN GROUP OF TREES THAT ARE BETWEEN THE RESIDENTS. YOU'RE NOT CUTTING HALF THE TREES DOWN IN THEIR OPENING UP. WHERE EVERYONE CAN SEE RIGHT INTO THE YARDS. SIR. YEAH. THE RIPARIAN CORRIDOR, THE FLOODPLAIN. LIMITS THERE. WE'RE NOT TOUCHING ANYTHING IN THAT HEAVILY WOODED BUFFER. IN FACT, THOSE DISTANCES THAT I GAVE YOU FROM LINEMAN, AS WELL AS THE MATERIAL STORAGE, YOU KNOW, FROM FROM THE EDGE OF THAT TO THOSE HOMES HEAVILY WOODED. WE'RE NOT GOING TO TOUCH THEM. OKAY THE STORAGE LOT. REPEAT WHAT YOU SAID WOULD BE STORED THERE. SO SAND, GRAVEL AND THEN THE CITY AND HAS HYDROVAC EXCAVATION UNITS, IT'S BASICALLY IF THEY'RE GOING TO USE IT TO, TO DIG FOR DIG POLES. JUST SO THEY DON'T DAMAGE UTILITIES. IT'S ALSO USED TO EXPOSE AND SURVEY UTILITIES. AND SO ON. SO THE BYPRODUCT OF THAT IS BASICALLY MUDDY WATER. RIGHT? SO IT'LL BE BROUGHT BACK HERE AND DISCHARGED IN A KIND OF SLOPED CONTAINED AREA THERE, FOR IT TO DRY OUT. THEN THAT SOIL THAT'S LEFT WILL BE, TAKEN TO THE LANDFILL. RIGHT. AND THE, THE HYDROVAC, AREA THERE HAS A DRAINAGE SYSTEM THAT WILL COLLECT ANY STORMWATER RUNOFF, ROUTE IT THROUGH A STORM SEWER INTO A STORM SCEPTER SYSTEM THAT REMOVES SEDIMENT, REMOVES POLLUTANTS, ETC, BEFORE WE DISCHARGE INTO THE CREEK. OKAY, SO YOU WON'T BE STORING ANY TRANSFORMERS OR CABLE OR POLES OR ANYTHING THAT MIGHT HAVE TO BE PICKED UP AT 2:00 IN THE MORNING, BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN A POWER OUTAGE SOMEWHERE. I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY THAT USE, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR GPL. THEY'RE HERE. YOU KNOW, THEY PROBABLY BETTER RESPOND TO THAT. YOU KNOW, THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THEY COULD LAY DOWN SOME POLES HERE, BUT, YOU KNOW, THEIR MAIN POLE LAY DOWN YARD IS RIGHT ACROSS THE RAILROAD. RIGHT. SO I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY WOULD WRITE THE TRAINING AREA. IS THAT GOING TO BE STRICTLY WOOD POLE CLIMBING OR IS IT GOING TO BE UTILIZING, BUCKET TRUCKS IN THE TRAINING? YOU KNOW, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I WOULD GUESS THAT THERE'LL BE SOME BUCKET TRUCK ACTIVITY AS WELL AS POLE CLIMBING. THE MAIN THING THEY'RE DOING THERE IS GETTING TO THE TOP OF THE POLE AND USING DIFFERENT POLE TYPE FRAMING SWITCHES, YOU KNOW, CROSS ARMS, THAT KIND OF THING. SO AND THEY'VE THEY'VE CONFIRMED THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME BUCKET TRUCK ACTIVITY THERE BECAUSE WERE THAT CONCERNS ME. COULD BE A POSSIBLE NOISE LEVEL DURING THE DAY. 7 A.M. ESPECIALLY BRINGING IN A BUCKET TRUCK TO GO IN THERE AND START GOING UP AND PUTTING IN THE CROSS ARMS UP ON A TRAINI POLE. OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER JENKINS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, GOOD EVENING SIR. ANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME ON THAT JULY MEETING. AS IT'S KIND OF BEEN INDICATED, I RESIDE AT THE PDO 19 AND THE SUMMERFIELD ESTATES, AND SO I'M DIRECTLY IMPACTED BY THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, I, A COUPLE QUESTIONS. I HEARD STAFF MENTION THE ADDITIONAL STORAGE OF OTHER ITEMS FROM THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT. I'M NOT QUITE CERTAIN WHAT THAT WAS IN REFERENCE TO. WE DIDN'T HEAR ABOUT THAT DURING THE INITIAL MEETING. YEAH, SO I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP. THERE WERE A COUPLE OF MISNOMERS OR MISCONCEPTIONS HERE. SO THE HYDROVAC ACTIVITIES ARE BASICALLY THE WATER DEPARTMENT AND GAL, YOU KNOW, SORT OF CITYWIDE AT SITES THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH, WITH THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. YOU [00:45:05] KNOW, WE'RE NOT BRINGING THEIR SOILS, MATERIALS, ANYTHING HERE. YOU KNOW, THAT'S THAT'S JUST NOT PART OF THE PART OF THE PLAN OF THE USAGE HERE. AND THEN I THIN, SECONDLY, THERE WAS MAYBE WE'LL THROW IT OUT HERE, THE SITE WAS ACQUIRED BY THE CITY IN 2024. OKAY. SO THIS IS NOT A SITE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CITY'S OWNED FOR A LONG, LONG TIME. IT WAS PURCHASED BASICALLY WITH THIS IN MIND. SO OKAY. THANK YOU. THE COMMENT WAS MADE AS WELL DURING THE MEETING THAT THIS IS RELATIVELY CLOSE TO THE GPIO HEADQUARTERS. IS THAT RIGHT? WELL GP AND LS DISTRIBUTION. IT'S OF COURSE IT'S NOT THEIR EXECUTIVE. SO AND THIS IS THE DISTRIBUTION DEPARTMENT IS HOUSED HERE ON GASOLINE ALLEY. LET ME SEE IF I CAN SEE THIS WELL ENOUGH. AND IT'S TOUGH GETTING OLD, GASOLINE ALLEY, I WANT TO SAY GENERALLY OVER HERE. SO IT'S A MEANT TO BE A SUPPLEMENT, IN TERMS OF ITS USE TO EXISTING OPERATION THAT'S, GOING ON AT GAL, WHAT IS MEANT TO BE AS A RELOCATION OF EXISTING OPERATIONS SITE, TO HERE BECAUSE THE SITE THAT THEY'RE ON AND THE PROPERTIES IS HAS BEEN SOLD OR. OKAY IF I HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, I'LL COME BACK. THANK YOU. CERTAINLY. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DOLAN. I THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE POSSIBLE. MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA TO EXPLAIN WHAT HYDROVAC IS. I THINK A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A DIFFERENT WAY OF SETTING POLES THAN WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST. YEAH YOU'RE TYPICALLY ORDERING POLES AND SO ON, SO WHAT IT IS, IT'S BASICALLY LACK OF A BETTER TERM, A WATER WAND WITH A, WITH A JET OF WATER THAT IS USED TO, YOU KNOW, SORT OF BLAST DISTURB, YOU KNOW, LOOSEN THE SOIL AND THEN A HOSE, A VACUUM HOSE SUCKS OUT THIS SOIL AND WATER AND SO ON. AND WHAT YOU END UP WITH IS, YOU KNOW, MUDDY DIRT IN A TANK ON A MOUNTED ON A TRUCK. SO, YOU KNOW, PICTURE THE CAR WASH ONE. BUT A LOT BIGGER. THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, DOING THE, THE JETTING AND THEN PICTURE, YOU KNOW, A LARGE HOSE THAT'S SUCKING IT OUT AS THEY GO. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SORRY I'VE GOT A COUPLE FOLLOW UPS. YOU HAD MENTIONED GRAVEL AND STONE AND COMMISSIONER DALTON. I PROBABLY NEEEED YOUR IUT ON THIS, THAT INDICATES THAT THERE'LL BE A FRONT END LOADER WORKING MOST OF THE DAY. THERE WELL, I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T SAY MOST OF THE DAY, IT'S SOME SAND IS GOING TO BE STOCKPILED THERE, AND IT'S USED TO BACKFILL THE. BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO USE SHOVELS. THEY'RE GOING TO FRONT END LOADER. YEAH. THEY'LL BE SURE. COMMISSIONER DALTON FRONT END LOADER THAT FAR AWAY. WOULD IT BE ANY NOISIER THAN CENTERVILLE ROAD? I'M AFRAID IT WOULD BE, FRONT END LOADERS ARE QUITE NOISY ON CONSTRUCTION SITES. OKAY AND WE'RE TALKING, I BELIEVE, SOMEWHERE IN THE 5 TO 600 FOOT DISTANCE BACK TO THE HOUSES OVER THERE. SO THAT'S GETTING PRETTY CLOSE. I BELIEVE. DIDN'T YOU SAY WHAT WHAT DISTANCE DID YOU SAY FROM THE LAY DOWN YARD FROM THE YARD? FOR THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE, COMMISSIONER DALTON'S AN AUDIO EXPERT. WOULDN'T EXACTLY SAY EXPERT, BUT ANYBODY ELSE HERE HAVE ANY KIND OF. YEAH MAYBE A GOOD REASON FOR AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE. ONE. SO FROM THE, MATERIAL STORAGE AREA TO THE ADJACENT HOUSES, IT RANGES A MINIMUM OF 519FT AND A MAXIMUM OF 940FT. AND THEY'RE VIRTUALLY ALL OF THAT IS HEAVILY WOODED, OF COURSE, WHICH DOES ATTENUATE SOUND MITIGATE. OKAY WELL, THERE MAY BE A CONCERN FOR US TO CONSIDER, AND THAT'S 7 TO 4 ON YOUR LINEMAN TRAINING. IS THERE ANY REASON THAT IT WASN'T SLID A LITTLE BIT TO THE WEST, WHERE THERE'S STILL SOME CLEAR SPACE? SURE. THERE'S AN UNDOCUMENTED LANDFILL THERE AS WELL AS, A I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S THERE. PROBABLY BECAUSE THE LANDFILL, THERE'S A 36 INCH, LARGE WATER MAIN THAT HAS ABOUT THIS MUCH COVER ON IT. SO WE JUST WE JUST HAD TO SLIDE IT EAST. OKAY. I FIGURED THEY WERE GOOD AT THEIR SOUND ENGINEERING. YOU KNOW, YOUR BUSINESS. I FIGURED THERE [00:50:04] WAS A REASON, WHICH IS WHY I ASKED. BUT MAYBE WITH YOUR CURSOR, COULD YOU SHOW US A GENERAL AREA OF THE FLOODPLAIN? AND TYPICALLY, NOTHING CAN BE DEVELOPED IN A FLOODPLAIN WITHOUT A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF ENGINEERING AND WORK. RIGHT? WELL, THAT'S CORRECT. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, TO BUILD IN THE FLOODPLAIN, YOU'VE GOT TO RECLAIM BY FILL. AND THEN, OF COURSE, YOU'VE GOT MITIGATION, THEN YOU GET INTO WATER. YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO TOUCH IT. RIGHT. AND, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, WE WANT TO LEAVE A BUFFER HERE, BE GOOD NEIGHBORS. SO GENERALLY SPEAKING WHAT THIS RESOLUTION IS TERRIBLE. BUT GENERALLY FOLLOWS OKAY. SO IT REACHES PRETTY. YOU CAN SEE REALLY THE UPLAND IS A VERY SKINNY YOU KNOW OFFSET. SO IT REACHES PRETTY FAR NORTH WHICH PRETTY WELL NEGATES FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. CORRECT. OKAY AND YOU KIND OF ANSWERED ONE QUESTION ABOUT UTILITIES. YOU YOU'RE GOING TO TRY TO KEEP EVERYTHING WITHIN THAT POWER LINE EASEMENT, ANYTHING YOU NEED THEIR WATER, ANYTHING YOU'LL RUN IT DOWN THAT EASEMENT. YOU DON'T NEED ANY UTILITIES OKAY. YEAH. THERE'S NO HABITABLE BUILDINGS. AND ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHTY. AND, SLIDE WEST. GOT THAT. THAT AND PROBABLY NO CONCERN OF YOURS. IF WE GO AHEAD AND REMOVE ALL THE OTHER USES IN THE PD. SO CAN'T SPEAK FOR CITY ADMINISTRATION. SO YEAH, WE TRY. WELL, PETE, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY CARES ABOUT THAT. I THINK THE CONSERVATION THING. RIGHT. YEAH. THERE NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED ON THE FOURTH FLOOR. NOT NOT WITH ME. YEAH OKAY. ALRIGHTY. I THINK THAT TAKES CARE OF MOST MINE, COMMISSIONER JENKINS, YOU CHIMED IN FOR A SECOND. DID YOU WANT TO ADD SOMETHING HERE LIVE? WELL, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. IT WAS THE MEASUREMENT, FROM THE DISTANCE FROM THE SITE TO THE BACK OF THE HOMES AS OPPOSED TO THE BOUNDARY LINE. I WAS TRYING TO THAT THAT WAS JUST KIND OF SIT IN FRONT WITH ME. WELL, AND WE OPTED TO TAKE IT TO THE HOMES. YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT A GREAT DEAL OF DIFFERENCE. I MEAN, THESE ARE NOT REALLY DEEP BACKYARDS. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WHICH ON GOOGLE EARTH HERE, MAKE THAT MEASUREMENT FOR YOU. BUT, THAT'S THE WAY WE REPORTED IT. THAT'S OKAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHTY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICAN? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE'LL CALL YOU BACK. IF THERE'S NO I'M SUR. ALL RIGHT. ALRIGHTY. LET ME SEE IF I'VE GOT ANYBODY UP THERE. OKAY. HELEN HUTCHINSON, COME ON DOWN. AND, AFTER THAT, ROBERT HUTCHINSON. IF YOU WANT TO COME DOWN TOGETHER, WE'RE EASY. I'LL FIND YOU. OKAY? I'LL TELL YOU, I'M NOT. AND NAME AN ADDRESS IN THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE. I'VE LIVED HERE LONG ENOUGH THAT I REMEMBER MEN IN WHITE SUITS FROM THE EPA HAVING TO GO DOWN THROUGH THE CREEK BECAUSE THERE WAS RUNOFF FROM THE EPA. AND I JUST WANT TO KNOW THAT THERE'S MITIGATION PUT IN THERE, BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW THAT WATER HEADS DOWNHILL AND WITH THE BEST INTENTIONS IN THE WORLD, THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD A STORAGE UNIT, AND THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME SPOT WHERE THAT STORAGE UNIT IS NOT GOING TO BE 100% ABLE TO CONTAIN THE STUFF. AND I JUST WANT TO KNOW THAT THEY'VE GOT MITIGATION IN PLACE. I'M HELEN HUTCHINSON. WELL, HE'LL ADDRESS THAT AGAIN WHEN HE GETS BACK. MR. HUTCHINSON, DID YOU CARE TO SAY ANYTHING? NO. OKAY OH, DID I NOT GET YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? OKAY. YEAH. I NEED IT INTO THE MICROPHONE FOR THE OFFICIAL RECORD. I ASKED, BUT DIDN'T GET IT. YEAH, I HAVE OH, THAT'S OKAY. WE DON'T BITE TOO HARD. WELL, COMMISSIONER DALTON DOES, BUT YOU KNOW, NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE, YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, 709 MILL BRANCH. HELEN HUTCHINSON. HUTCHINSON. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING PATIENT WITH ME. OH, NO PROBLEM AT ALL. JOHN VAN, I CAN'T READ THE WRITING. LYLE. OKAY. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. EXCUSE MY ATTIRE. WE JUST STEPPED OUT OF THE GYM, MY NAME IS JOHAN VAN ZYL, WE HAVE BEEN LIVING AT 902 MILL SPRING DRIVE FOR THE LAST 25 YEARS. MY FAMILY AND I,E SPECIFICALLY BOUGHT OUR HOUSE BECAUSE OF THE GREENBELT AND THAT'S WHERE MY KIDS GREW UP. MY BIG CONCERN IS NOT NECESSARILY WHAT THEY PLAN ON DOING, BUT IT'S REZONING THE ENTIRE AREA BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, [00:55:02] OUR SAFETY BACKSTOP IS THE ZONING. THE ZONING IS WHAT PROTECTS THE GREENBELT. IF THAT ZONING IS CHANGED, WE HAVE NO GUARANTEE THAT THINGS WILL CHANGE IN THE FUTURE. THAT'S MY BIG CONCERN. ALL RIGHTY. AND, ALSO, I THINK I THINK WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT, TOO. OKAY THANK YOU. ALL RIGHTY. THANK YOU. AND YOU'RE RIGHT. IT DOES SAY JOHAN. DAPHNE. DEAN. GOOD EVENING. BOARD. HELLO. THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK. MY NAME IS DAPHNE DEAN. I RESIDE AT 1957 GARRISON WAY IN GARLAND, TEXAS. I AM AGAINST THIS PROPOSAL. I AM ON THE HOA BOARD FOR SUMMERFIELD ESTATES. I AM NOT SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF MY BOARD. HOWEVER, I KNOW A LOT OF RESIDENTS IN MY AREA. THEY DON'T WANT IT FOR MULTIPLE REASONS, ONE THING IS A NOISE POLLUTION, ANOTHER THING IS I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT IN THE FUTURE IF YOU REZONE IT FOR NOW, YOU'RE SAYING, OH, WE ONLY HAVE THREE ACRES TO FILL IN THE BLANK. DO WHATEVER YOU'RE DOING RIGHT NOW, BUT THE FUTURE, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? YOU'RE OPENING THE FLOODGATES FOR IN THE FUTURE. HAVING A LOT OF WE DON'T KNOW. HE DIDN'T. HE SAID THAT HE COULDN'T TELL US FOR SURE. DEVELOPMENT WOULD NOT HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE. I WAS ON THE CALL ON JULY 1ST. THE OTHER THING I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IS THE VEGETATION IN OUR AREA. I LIVE EXTREMELY CLOSE TO THE WATER WASTE MANAGEMENT PLANT, LESS THAN A FIVE MINUTE WALK, AND THE VEGETATION HAS ACTED AS A NATURAL BARRIER OR A BIOFILTER ABSORBING SOME SOME OF THE ODOR, THE HORRENDOUS ODOR THAT WE HAVE UNFORTUNATELY THERE. AND IF YOU START TAKING THE TREES AWAY BIT BY BIT BY BIT, I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE WHAT THE ODOR AND SMELL IS GOING TO BE LIKE. OKAY SO THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE THAT I HAV. AND I JUST WANT TO KEEP THE OTHER THING IS WE'RE NEAR MY HOUSE IS LIKE RIGHT THERE AT THE BACK. SO WE'RE GOING TO HEAR ALL THE NOISE. WE'RE IN 100 AND A 500 YEAR FLOOD PLAIN LIKE, RIGHT THERE. SO I ASKED THEM WHAT IS IN PLAY, WHAT IS THE PLANS FOR LIKE, THIS FLOODPLAIN? LIKE WE HAVE EROSION ISSUES ALREADY, YOU KNOW, IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, THIS DEVELOPMENT, LIKE IN THE FUTURE, IT'S GOING TO MAKE THINGS EVEN WORSE IN REGARDS TO WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE BARRIERS TO FOREST THERE TO HELP PREVENT OTHER THINGS. THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE HAVING WITH EROSION IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THERE ARE MULTIPLE THINGS. LIKE I SAID, A LOT OF PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY, THEY DON'T WANT IT. I DON'T KNOW MANY WHO WANT IT AT ALL. SO. OH, AND ONE OTHER THING I WANTED TO ASK HIM IS, ARE THERE ANY OTHER LOCATIONS LIKE THIS IN GARLAND? APPARENTLY RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM WHICH THEY'RE TRYING TO THIS SITE. WHY DON'T THEY JUST STAY THERE? AND I THINK THAT THE GARLAND PARKS AND RECS, THIS NEEDS TO BE AN OFFICIAL GREEN BELT. SAVE THE MILLER CREEK. THIS NEEDS TO BE OFFICIAL GREEN BELT. WE DON'T WANT ANY DESTRUCTION GOING ON. THANK YOU. ALRIGHTY. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE SPEAKER? THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING DOWN. ALRIGHTY. I'VE GOT ONE MORE SPEAKER CARD. THE HONORABLE FORMER COUNCIL LADY, LORI LAURA PERKINS COX, PERKY. SO Y'ALL ARE LAUGHING BECAUSE THE LAST TIME I WAS IN HERE, I TURNED AROUND AND SAID TO EVERYBODY ON THE COUNCIL THAT THIS WAS THE LAST TIME Y'ALL WERE GOING TO SEE ME IN HERE TALKING TO Y'ALL. AND HERE I AM. SO IT'S BEEN 12 YEARS THOUGH, SO AT LEAST I HOPE I GET A LITTLE CREDIT FOR THAT, IT'S NICE TO SEE YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, OF COURSE, DO NEED ALL THE VICE CHAIRS AND. YEAH, ALL THE COMMISSIONERS APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE. I HAVEN'T SAT THERE ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT I KNOW THAT WE, VEXED YOU MIGHTILY WHEN I WAS ON COUNCIL, SO I'LL JUST SAY I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. I ENVISIONED GARLAND STUFF, AND Y'ALL DID A GREAT JOB. THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID A GREAT JOB WITH THAT, AND WE APPRECIATE IT. AND PART OFOF ENVISIO GARLAD WAS TO CONSIDER THE MILL CREEK GREENBELT. I GOT INTO POLITICS BECAUSE OF THE MILL CREEK GREENBELT BACK IN 1996. COMING DOWN HERE TALKING ABOUT THE TRANSPORTATION PLAN, WHICH HAD A ROAD GOING THROUGH THE THEN AND NOW HERE I AM AGAIN, AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE HYDROFOILS, WHICH ARE COMING FROM THE WASTE TREATMENT PLANT, AND THEN MAYBE ALSO FROM GPL IN ONE CORNER. THAT'S NOT THE CORNER, THAT'S CLOSEST TO MY NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT'S OVER THERE BY THE SUMMERFIELD FOLKS. THE PARTS CLOSEST TO MY NEIGHBORHOOD, MILL CREEK CROSSING IS THE GAL, LINEMAN TRAINING. NOW, I AM GOING TO BE VERY CLOSE TO THAT. ALL RIGHT. [01:00:08] WE WILL ALREADY HAVE ALL OF THE STUFF BACK THERE IN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DART TRACKS AND THE. AND THE OLD KATY TRACKS. RIGHT. WE HAVE ALL THOSE GUYS BACK THERE. WE HAVE THE TRANSFER STATION BACK THERE. WE HAVE ALL THE NOISY CITY STUFF HERE. A LOT OF TRAINS. WE HEAR A LOT OF OTHER THINGS, AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE HEAVY EQUIPMENT. AND NO OFFENSE TO THE GAL GUYS, THEY THEY DO NEED THEIR TRAINING, BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE BUCKET TRUCKS. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ALL THESE OTHER THINGS BEHIND OUR NEIGHBORS. AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE NOISE. I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE HYDROFOILS BECAUSE WE'RE HEARING DIFFERENT THINGS HERE. WE'RE HEARING, OH NO, IT'S JUST GOING TO BE MUDDY WATER AND THEN NO, IT'S NOT. IT'S GOING TO BE MAYBE ALSO FROM THE WASTE TREATMENT PLANT. THAT'S A GAME CHANGER. I DON'T WANT ANY SOLIDS DRYING IN THE SUN BEHIND MY NEIGHBORS THERE AT SUMMERFIELD. OKAY. BECAUSE I'M GOING TO SMELL THAT TOO, ONE OF THE OTHER ISSUES THAT WE HAVE IS THE TREES. YOU KNOW, WE BOUGHT OUR HOUSE THERE AND I'VE LIVED THERE FOR 30 YEARS. I, WE GOT OUT OF THE CAR AND IT'S LIKE, THIS IS THE LOT, RIGHT? THIS ONE. AND IT WAS BECAUSE OF THE TREES. WE LOVE THE TREES. YOU KNOW, THEY THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL IN THE FALL. THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL IN THE SPRING. THEY'RE FULL OF ALL THE LITTLE CRITTERS THAT COME ALONG AND ENTERTAIN HAVE ENTERTAINED US OVER THE LAST 30 YEARS AND OVER TIME, YOU KNOW, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, THE CITY HAS ENCROACHED ON THAT PEACEFUL GREENBELT. YOU KNOW, WE HEAR THE FIRE TRAINING CENTER. WE NOW GET TO SEE THE WATER, THE WATER TOWER. YOU KNOW, I WE'RE NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT THOSE THINGS. WE UNDERSTAND THAT THOSE ARE VERY VALUABLE THINGS, BUT IT'S JUST MORE AND MORE AND MORE. AND WHEN WE HAVE THE RELOCATION OF THE GPD LINEMAN TRAINING SITE. NOW ONTO OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR SIDE OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS, THAT'S JUST MORE ENCROACHMENT. AND WHAT I WILL TELL YOU AS A MEMBER OF THE GARLAND CITY COUNCIL IS OR FORMER MEMBER IS THAT, YOU KNOW, ONCE THE CITY GETS A TOEHOLD, THEY FEEL LIKE THEY CAN EXPAND. AND SO IT MAY NOT EXPAND, YOU KNOW, IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS, BUT IT COULD VERY WELL EXPAND IN THE FUTURE. AND SO I SIT HERE AND I THINK TO MYSELF, WHY DOES THE LINEMAN TRAINING HAVE TO BE THERE? WHY DO WE HAVE TO BUILD A NEW THING THERE WHEN YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO FIND SOME OTHER PLACE R IT, WHETHER IT'S AT NEWMAN, WHETHER IT'S IN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, OVER THERE AROUND GASOLINE ALLEY, TOWER STREET, ALL AROUND IN THERE. WE'VE GOT ROOM ALL DIFFERENT KINDS OF PLACES. THIS CITY HAS GOT DRIBS AND DRABS, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'RE MOVING BECAUSE THEY'VE SOLD THE LAND. I DON'T KNOW WHO THEY SOLD THE LAND TO. I DIDN'T SEE THAT WHEN I DID MY RESEARCH ON THIS. I'M SORRY, BUT, THERE'S GOT TO BE ANOTHER PLACE FOR THAT THAT DOES NOT ENCROACH UPON OUR GREENBELT. AND MR. CHAIRMAN, I APPRECIATE YOUR ATTENTION TO ALL OF THE DIFFERENT USES THAT ARE ON THAT LIST. AND NOT ONLY CLEANING THAT UP FOR THIS PARCEL THAT IS UNDER CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING. BUT, BUT, YOU KNOW, AS A BODY RECOMMENDING TO THE COUNCIL THAT THEY TAKE A LOOK AT CLEANING UP THE OTHER PD'S AS WELL, YOU KNOW, WHEN ALL THESE WERE SET OUT, I MEAN, NOBODY REALLY KNEW HOW MUCH GARLAND WAS GOING TO CHANGE. IT WAS 40 YEARS AGO. I KNOW. ISN'T THAT CRAZY? YOU AND I HAVE BEEN RUNNING AROUND TOGETHER SINCE, YOU KNOW, FOR 25 YEARS, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S CHANGED A LOT IN 25 YEARS. SO WE JUST NEED TO PROTECT WHAT WE HAVE. AND I WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT, THAT THIS COMMISSION ASK THE CITY TO FIND ANOTHER LOCATION FOR THEIR HYDRIC SOILS, ESPECIALLY SINCE THERE'S SOME CONTROVERSY TONIGHT ABOUT WHAT EXTLY THAT'S GOING TO BE. AND ALSO FOR THE LINEMAN TRAINING. SO I APPRECIATE YOUR FORBEARANCE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I HEARD MY TIMER GO OFF, DO NEED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. MY NAME IS LAURA PERKINS COX. I LIVE AT 718 BARD DRIVE. GARLAND TEXAS, 75040. AND, I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT I FORGOT TO SAY THAT, BUT I SURE DID. AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO SAY IT. I DIDN'T. I DIDN'T ANY ANY QUESTIONS OF MISS COX? THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING DOWN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I HAVE NO OTHER SPEAKER CARDS, IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO CARES TO ADDRESS THIS ITEM? IF NOT, ASK THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK UP AND MAYBE ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES. SOME OF YOU RAISE YOUR HAND. OH. OH, OKAY. COME ON DOWN. COME ON DOWN. YEAH YOU'RE BEHIND THE OTHER GENTLEMAN THAT DIDN'T SEE YOUR HAND GO UP. [01:05:07] SORRY, I DON'T HAVE A GOOD ANGLE HERE. AND IF THERE'S SOMEBODY BEHIND THE COLUMN, FORGET IT. I'M ANDREA MCDANIEL AT 1013 MILL SPRING DRIVE, AND I JUST WANTED TO MENTION A COUPLE OF THINGS I WAS LOOKING AT GARLAND'S FUTURE LAND USE MAP, AND THIS AREA IS COMPLETELY DEDICATED FOR PARKS AND OPEN SPACE. AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT CONTINUE, I ALSO WAS LOOKING THROUGH THE ENVISION GARLAND. PLAN AND IT SAYS, WHAT ARE THE BENEFITS OF ENVISION GARLAND? IT SAYS IN TO PROVIDE A GENERAL GUIDE FOR ADVANCING THE COMMUNITY WHILE PROTECTING MANY ASSETS THAT HAVE SUCCESSFULLY MADE GARLAND AND A PLACE FOR RESIDENTS, RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES. CALL HOME. AND I FEEL LIKE THIS IS A MAJOR ASSET, HAVING THIS GREEN BELT BEHIND MY HOUSE. AND I LOVE IT. AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE NOISE AND THE POLLUTION, AND I'M JUST NOT SURE THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT IIN LINE WITH WHAT ENVISION GARLAND HAS TO OFFER. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE? I NEED TO RESTATE MY NAME. NO. OKAY SO A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS HERE, YOU KNOW ABOUT ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT OUT HERE. THIS IS UNDER A PD ZONING, YOU KNOW, IF SOMETHING ELSE WERE CONTEMPLATED CLEARLY WOULD BE IN THE CONCEPT PLAN AND PUBLIC MEETINGS AND SO ON. YET AGAIN, THEN I THINK THERE THE MISCONCEPTION STILL, REMAINS ABOUT THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. WE ARE NOT ACCEPTING, YOU KNOW, THIS THIS FACILITY IS NOT PART OF TIED TO ASSOCIATED WITH THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, NOR WILL WE BE TAKING YOU KNOW, SLUDGE ANY OF THE MATERIALS OR THE BYPRODUCTS OF THE TREATMENT PROCESS. THE HYDRO EXCAVATION AREA IS SIMPLY FOR EXCAVATED EARTH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S MIXED WITH WATER TO BE DISCHARGED TO DRY. AND AS I TOUCHED ON EARLIER, THIS ENTIRE MATERIAL STORAGE AND HYDRO EXCAVATION, MATERIAL STORAGE ALL GOES TO A DRAINAGE SYSTEM THAT'S COLLECTED, GOES THROUGH A STORM SEWER AND GOES THROUGH AN ELABORATE, TREATMENT DEVICE THAT TAKES OUT SUSPENDED SOLIDS AND ALSO POLLUTANTS, YOU KNOW, IT'S, YOU KNOW, 99% EFFECTIVE HERE. AND AGAIN, THIS IS BELT AND SUSPENDERS BECAUSE THIS MATERIAL IS COMING OUT, FOR THE HYDRO, HYDRO EXCAVATION IS NO DIFFERENT THAN, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE EXCAVATING YOUR BACKYARD ANYWHERE IN TOWN. IT'S JUST WHERE, YOU KNOW, A HOLE NEEDS TO BE DUG WITH A HYDROVAC. YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CLAY SOILS. ALL OVER GARLAND, THAT WILL END UP HERE TEMPORARILY BE STORED WHILE THEY DRY AND THEN HAULED TO LANDFILL. SO HOPEFULLY I ADDRESSED THAT ONE. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WELL, IF I CAN, ONE OF THEM WERE WAS EROSION AND RUNOFF. I'M GATHERING MOST OF THIS IS GRAVEL. WILL THE ROADS IN BE GRAVEL OR WILL THEY BE CONCRETE? THE CITY WANTS THE ROADS BEING CONCRETE. SO THE PROPERTY AS WELL AS THE BASIN UPSTREAM DRAINING THROUGH THE PROPERTY, CURRENTLY GENERATES 404 CUBIC FEET PER SECOND IN 100 YEAR OR, YOU KNOW, 1% EXCEEDANCE, 100 YEAR EVENT. SO POST PROJECT WILL BE 418 CFS. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A 3% INCREASE IN RUNOFF, AND IT'S MAINLY DUE TO THE CONCRETE ROADS THAT WERE BEING REQUIRED HERE, AGAIN IS DISCHARGING DIRECTLY INTO MILLS BRANCH. YOU KNOW, ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT'S PRACTICE WITH THIS KIND OF MINOR INCREASE. SO IT'S NOT TO REQUIRE DETENTION. RIGHT. BUT AGAIN, WE ARE WE'LL HAVE EITHER GRAVEL SURFACING AT THE LINEMAN TRAINING AREA OR CONCRETE, ONCE THE CONSTRUCTION IS DONE, THE VEGETATIVE STABILIZATION IS IN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY SEDIMENT OR EROSION RUNOFF FROM OUR IMPROVEMENTS DURING CONSTRUCTION. OF COURSE, YOU'RE SWIPING AND UR SWIPE PROVISIONS WILL BE THERE. SILT FENCE, YOU KNOW, AND SO ON. SO IT TOOK CONTROL OF THAT. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST NOT DOING ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO, YOU KNOW, DISCHARGE SEDIMENT INTO, YOU KNOW, THE FLOODPLAIN AND STATE AGAIN, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF TREES ARE PLANNED TO BE SAVED. YEAH. LET'S SEE I'LL HAVE TO DO SOME ARITHMETIC THEN. 93, 93. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONER ROSE. IS THERE ANOTHER SITE, GAL, TALKED ABOUT USING AS OPPOSED TO DESTROYING SOME OF THIS, OPEN, AREA. SO, [01:10:09] YEAH, THEY WE DID LOOK AT, EVALUATE AND APPROACH SOME PROPERTY OWNERS, A COUPLE OTHER SITES, WHY ARE THEY SELECTING THIS ONE THEN? BECAUSE IT'S ACROSS THE STREET. WELL, FIRST OFF, GEOGRAPHICALLY, IT'S LOCATED WITH THE SAME FACILITIES WITHIN 900FT OF THE EXISTING FACILITY, WHICH IS YOU KNOW, A GOOD POINT. PLUS IT'S GOT ACCESS TO LANDFILL BEING OVER ON THAT SIDE OF TOWN FOR THE HAULING. HONESTLY CITY BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY. I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS THIS THIS IN MIND. EXACTLY, BUT THE CITY OWNS THE PROPERTY. IT'S DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE DISTRIBUTION, HEADQUARTERS OR DISTRIBUTION. YOU KNOW, SHOP AND ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES, SO, YOU KNOW, TRUCKS A LOT OF BOXES. AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, OTHER SIDE OF THE RAIL CORRIDOR FROM THIS MASSIVE CITY, YOU KNOW, COMPOUND. SO, YOU KNOW, FOR A LOT OF REASONS, IT MADE SENSE HERE, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, I'VE GOT TO GO BACK TO THE EXISTING ZONING HERE. THERE IS QUITE A BIT OF UPLAND PROPERTY ALONG THIS TRACK. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE ALTERNATIVE, IF I'M A DEVELOPER HAD THIS WITH THAT EXISTING ZONING. WE'VE GOT A CONVENIENCE STORE UP THERE ON CENTERVILLE. I'VE GOT A LAUNDRY LIST OF USES IF YOU WANT ME TO GO THROUGH SOME. BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY, BUT INSTEAD WHAT WE'VE GOT IS, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE SMALL AREAS. THE LINEMAN TRAINING AREA IS SOMETHING THAT'S INFREQUENTLY USED. THEY'RE NOT CONSTANTLY TRAINING YOU KNOW, AN IDEA OF INTERVALS, HOW OFTEN YOU ACTUALLY WOULD TRAIN AT THE LINEMAN TRAINING OUT OF THE MONTH, 1 OR 2 DAYS OUT. SO WE'RE TALKING 1 OR 2 DAYS OUT OF THE MONTH IN THE LINEMAN TRAINING AREA. AND THEN WE'RE TALKING, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY WORKING HOURS DURING THE, DURING THE WEEK FOR THE MATERIAL STORAGE AND 20 OR LESS TRUCKS A DAY. I MEAN, THIS IS A VERY, VERY LOW TRAFFIC PROPOSITION HERE COMPARED TO GENERAL BUSINESS AND MEDIUM INDUSTRIAL, WHICH IS WHAT THIS THING IS ZONED FOR. SO AND CITY, CITY BE A GOOD STEWARD OF THE PROPERTY. THEY HAVE NO INTEREST IN REMOVING A SINGLE TREE MORE THAN WE NEED TO GET THIS FACILITY IN. ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER DUCKWORTH. THANK YOU, SIR. MR. PALMER, IS THERE BEEN ANY NOISE STUDIES THAT THERE'S SOME CONCERN ABOUT NOISE? AND MR. CARNEY'S MENTIONED THAT SOME SLIGHT CONCERN OF NOISE. BUT JUST FOR MY COUNTRY, RAISING TREES ABSORB A LOT OF NOISE. AND I WOULD THINK THAT THE SOUND TRANSFER EXCUSE ME THROUGH THAT AREA WOULD BE VERY MINIMAL. SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, NO, THERE HAS NOT BEEN A NOISE STUDY, YOU KNOW, THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT A FREIGHT RAIL AND, AND, AND A LIGHT RAIL TRACK HERE THAT, YOU KNOW, SEES A LOT OF LIGHT RAIL TRAFFIC AND, YOU KNOW, AND, YOU KNOW, THE FREIGHT IS USED. I MEAN, THAT'S A LOT NOISIER THAN WHAT WE'RE DOING. AND, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT ON THAT KIND OF HEAVY FORESTED AREAS IS SOUND ATTENUATION IS VERY EFFECTIVE. AND AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING, YOU KNOW, 500 TO 900FT AWAY. YES, SIR. AND I HAVEN'T BEEN AROUND THOSE THOSE UNITS PERHAPS OUR GENTLEMAN FROM THE CITY COULD TELL US, BUT THERE'S WAYS OF MITIGATING NOISE COMING FROM A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT. I WOULD ASSUME THEY WOULD MITIGATE AS MUCH LOUDNESS AS THEY COULD FROM THAT EQUIPMENT. YEAH, AND I'M NOT GOING TO SAY I'M AN EXPERT ON THE EQUIPMENT THAT THEY USE. SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT ALL MEETS CURRENT STANDARDS. YOU KNOW, IF YOU WILL. BUT THANK YO. OKAY. COMMISSIONER JENKINS, MR. CHAIR, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. I PRESUME THAT THERE WILL BE, MEASURES IN PLACE REGARDING THE TRACKING OF SEDIMENT OFF THE SITE. CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THOSE WOULD BE? SO. WELL, DURING CONSTRUCTION, OF COURSE, WE HAVE OUR SWIFT. WE HAVE OUR STABILIZED CONSTRUCTION ENTRANCE AFTERWARDS, YOU KNOW, IT'S STANDARD PRACTICE FOR WHEEL CLEANING. YOU KNOW, THIS KIND OF THING, YOU KNOW, BEFORE A TRACK OFF THE ROAD. BUT, YOU KNOW, THE HYDROVAC, DISCHARGE THERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S BACKED UP. IT'S DISCHARGED. IT'S NOT GOING TO REMEMBER THIS. THIS WILL ALL BE ON CONCRETE PAVEMENTNT. SO, YO KNOW, WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY MUD WE'RE GOING THROUGH OR DIRT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE. WE'LL BE LOADING SOME MATERIALS. INFREQUENTLY, YOU KNOW, OUT OF THAT STORAGE. AND WE WILL YOU KNOW, THE MAIN USE IS GOING TO BE THIS, THIS THE HYDROVAC EXCAVATION. BUT AGAIN, THAT TRUCK BACKS UP AND IT JUST, YOU KNOW, OPEN IT AND IT JUST FLOWS INTO THE STORAGE AREA. THANK YOU. AND YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT ADDITIONAL INSTALLATION OF LANDSCAPING ALONG THE FRONT AS WELL. RIGHT YES. YES, SIR. SO WE'VE GOT A THERE'S A REQUIREMENT FOR SOME TREES. THERE'S A REQUIREMENT FOR, DENSE SCREENING MATERIALS ALONG THE FENCE THERE. SO YEAH, IT'S GOING [01:15:03] TOE A COUPLE OF TIERS THERE. OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING DOWN. ALL RIGHT I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, IT'S UP TO US NOW. COMMISSIONER JENKINS, CHAIR, MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. SECOND MISS, MOTION BY COMMISSIONER JENKINS TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WAS A COMMISSIONER. ROSE TO SECOND. THIS IS TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ONLY GOT YOU. IT WAS UNANIMOUS. WE ARE IN DISCUSSION MODE NOW, MR. CHAIR. YES SORRY, MY MIC WAS STILL ON. NO. GO AHEAD, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. AS WE ARE IN DISCUSSION, I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING ADDITIONAL COMMENTS AND DISCUSSION FROM THE, OTHER MEMBERS. OTHER MEMBERS, AS ALWAYS. I HAD PREVIOUSLY PREPARED AND, CAME WITH A CONCLUSION, YOU KNOW, THOUGHT THAT THIS IS WHAT I WANTED TO HE AND HEARD EVERYTHING BUT THAT, AND MORE OR IN ADDITION TO, SO, SO NOW I AM LOOKING FOR ADDITIONAL INSIGHTS. I PARTICULARLY DURING THE WORK SESSION, COMMISSIONER, ROBERTS, CHAIRMAN ROBERTS, YOU MENTIONED A NUMBER OF CONSIDERATIONS REGARDING AMENDMENTS TO THE PD, WHICH WOULD EVEN IF WE DENIED THIS REQUEST THIS EVENING, WE WOULD STILL NEED TO CONSIDER THERE'D BE NO MECHANISM IN PLACE TO MAKE THOSE AMENDMENTS. SO AGAIN, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING ADDITIONAL COMMENTS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DALTON. I HOPE YOU'RE NOT EXPECTING WORDS OF WISDOM. I AM CONCERNED OVER NOISE WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH DIESEL ENGINES, WHICH THOSE FRONT LOADERS WILL MOST LIKELY BE DIESEL. THE BUCKET TRUCKS COULD BE EITHER OR PROBABLY DIESEL. AND IN MY WORLD, WE TALK ABOUT THINGS SUCH AS NOISE FLOOR AND THAT IS IF WE HAVE AN AMOUNT OF NOISE THAT'S THERE, WHAT ARE YOU ADDING TO THAT? YOU'RE RAISING THE NOISE FLOOR NOW AS THEY CLEARLY POINTED OUT, WE HAVE DARK TRAINS GOING BY EVERY 20 MINUTES. WE HAVE NO TRAINS GOING BY SEVERAL TIMES A DAY PROBABLY. AND WE'RE GOING TO AD, I BELIEVE HE SAID 17 LOADS COMING IN FROM THE HYDRO VACS, WHICH I MEAN, THEY'RE JUST BRINGING IN DIRT FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE CITIES, ALL THEIR MUD THEY'RE BRINGING IN FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY AND SPREADING IT OUT TO LET IT DRY. BUT THAT'S STILL A LOT OF NOISE. BUT IT IS A TEMPORARY NOISE. THE TRAINING A COUPLE OF DAYS A MONTH, I JUST. I WONDER HOW IRRITATING THAT WOULD BE TO ME IF IT WERE CLOSE BY. THE TREES WILL ATTENUATE TO A CERTAIN AMOUNT. THAT NOISE. IT'S CERTAINLY NOT ATTENUATING THE FREIGHT TRAINS IN THE DARK RAIL TRAINS, AND IT'S NOT GOING TO COMPLETELY ATTENUATE THIS, ONE OF MY BIGGEST CONCERNS IN THIS THING WAS HOW HIGH ARE WE GOING TO RAISE THAT NOISE FLOOR IF WE DO THIS? AND AS COMMISSIONER JENSEN SAID, YOU WE COME IN AND WE BOUNCE BACK AND FORTH. AND I HAVE SEVERAL TIMES THIS EVENING BOUNCE BACK AND FORTH. BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL IF THEY WERE DOING THIS SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY. BUT I DON'T SEE THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF LAND BEING AS SMALL AS IT REALLY IS, THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE OCCUPYING BEING THAT DETRIMENTAL TO THE AREA. I REALLY CAN'T. SO, I HESITANTLY WANT TO AGREE WITH THE REQUEST T AT THIS TIME, UNLS I HEAR SOMETHING DIFFERENT FROM ANOTHER COMMISSIONER. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER ROSE. AND THEN COMMISSIONER ABEL, MY CONCERN IS IF THIS IS ALLOWED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. WHAT WILL WHAT WHAT WHAT WILL HAPPEN NEXT? WHAT ELSE WILL THEY WANT? SOME GPL OR SOMEBODY WANTS TO GO IN THERE AND DO SOMETHING ELSE, ALONG THE [01:20:07] LINE. AND IF IT'S APPROVED NOW BY THE COUNCIL. BUT HOW ARE THEY GOING TO STOP SOMETHING ELSE FROM GOIOING IN THERE AND UTILIZING LAND AND MAKING MORE NOISE AND, AND MORE TRAFFIC AND SO FORTH? JUST I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THIS IS GOING TO OPEN THE DOOR FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, POSSIBLY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER ABEL. I'VE SAT HERE TONIGHT AND I KEEP GOING BACK AND FORTH, I WILL TELL YOU THAT IN MAY, WHENEVER WE HAD HURRICANE FORCE WINDS FOR 36 MINUTES IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, I HAD A LINEMAN TRUCK 25FT BEHIND MY HOUSE. I DID NOT KNOW THEY WERE THERE UNTIL THE POWER CAME BACK ON. THEIR LIGHTS WERE ACTUALLY WHAT ALERTED ME TO THEM BEING THERE. I DID NOT HEAR THEM IN MY HOUSE. SO, YOU KNOW, I, I LOOK AT THIS AND WHAT IT COULD BE, WHAT IT COULD HAVE BEEN, WHAT IT'S BEEN PROPOSED TO BE IN THE PAST. AND IT WAS SUPPOSED TO AT ONE POINT BE A COUNTRY CLUB EXTENSION THAT BROUGHT THOSE TWO ROADS TOGETHER. THERE'S BEEN MANY OTHER THINGS THAT COULD BE THERE. I JUST I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A COMPELLING CASE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, AND I'M JUST REALLY TORN. BUT WE NEED THE FACILITY AS A CITY. IS THERE ANOTHER PLACE WE COULD PUT IT IS MY QUESTION, AND I KNOW WE CAN'T ANSWER THAT, BUT I'M JUST I'M SITTING HERE GOING BACK AND FORTH BECAUSE I KNOW WE NEED IT. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? WELL, I'LL GO OVER MINE AGAIN. AND, WE HAVE ONE. OH COMMISSIONER ROSE, I THOUGHT I HEARD THAT THERE WERE OTHER SITES THAT CONSIDERED, BUT THEY'D RATHER HAVE THIS ONE BECAUSE IT'S BASICALLY ACROSS THE STREET. SO THERE ARE OTHER SITES THEY'VE CONSIDERED. YEAH. COMMISSIONER DALTON, BY MY THEY SAID ABOUT 20, 20 CARS A DAY, 20 TRUCKS A DAY. OVER A NINE HOUR PERIOD. THAT'S ROUGHLY TWO PER HOUR. AND IF THEY'RE LOADING THOSE TRUCKS WITH FRONT END LOADERS, THAT'S CONTINUOUS ALL DAY LONG. AND I DON'T KNOW IF, I'VE DONE, ASSISTED LIVING BEFORE WHERE WE'RE NEXT TO A RAILROAD TRACK, AND WE COMMISSIONED A SOUND STUDY, YOU KNOW, PUT THE SENSORS OUT AND EVERYTHING AND LISTEN TO THE TRAINS COME BY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IT WAS THAT MAY NEED TO BE DONE OUT THERE. RUN SOME FRONT END LOADERS OUT THERE, DO SOME SOUND STUDY AND MAYBE A RECOMMENDATION FOR A SOUND WALL, SOUND WALLS MAY HELP A LITTLE BIT, BUT MY CONCERN IS THE NOISE. AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO MAKE A TOTALLY INFORMED DECISION, ON ANOTHER ITEM, AND I'LL ASK LEGAL. THIS IS. COULD WE PUT IN A CONDITION IN THE PD THAT NO MATERIALS STORED IN THE SITE SHALL COME FROM THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT? I KNOW THAT'S VERY SPECIFIC. IT'S VERY SPECIFIC. YOU, AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN RECOMMEND THAT BE ADDED. YES. OKAY YOU KNOW, TRYING TO COVER OUR BETS HERE FOLKS. SO WHAT HAPPENS, AND AGAIN ARE IN CONDITIONS I WOULD ADD NO BUILDINGS. AND REMOVE ALL THE OTHER EXISTINING USES. D LET ME JUST READ A FEW OF THE EXISTING USES THAT CAN GO ON THAT SITE TRUCK, RENTAL TRUCK OR BUS STORAGE TRUCK OR BUS WASHING AND CLEANING, TRUCK OR BUS LEASING AND RENTAL TRUCK OR BUS REPAIR, OR FIVE PAGES OF THINGS HERE. SAVINGS AND LOAN. WELL THAT PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE BAD, BUT, ALL KINDS OF RETAIL, SUPERMARKET UNIFORM, YOU KNOW, TAXI STANDS, ALL KINDS OF STUFF. SO, YOU KNOW, NONO MATTER W THIS GOES, IF WE COULD ADD A CONDITION TO REMOVE ALL EXISTING USES AND ONLY ALLOW THOSE ASKED FOR AN SUP, I THINK THAT WOULD CLEAN UP THINGS FOR THE FUTURE. IF SOMEBODY GOES, OH, THIS LAND HERE HAS ALL THIS, LET'S RECLAIM SOME OF THIS FLOODPLAIN AND USE IT BY RIGHT. THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT. AND I THINK, WHAT IS THE PD? THEY'D STILL HAVE TO COME IN FOR A DETAILED PLAN, BUT I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE CLEANED UP. AND, FOR A NOTE IN THE MINUTES, THIS WOULD BE FOR THE CITY COUNCIL. I WOULD PROPOSE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL LOOK AT PDS 80 6-5 AND 86 DASH 54, WHICH ARE THE PDS BETWEEN WHERE THIS IS GOING IN AND THE BACK OF THE HOUSES, BECAUSE I THINK THOSE HAVE A LOT OF ALLOWED USES TOO. AND 40 YEARS AGO, LET'S CLEAN SOME OF THIS UP. MAYBE WE CAN DO IT ALL AT ONCE. BUT NOISE. I'M [01:25:04] KIND OF CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. THE TRAININGS TRAINING AREA NOT SO MUCH THE MATERIAL STORAGE. AND I'D LIKE MORE INFORMATION ON THE HYDROVAC SPOILS. LIKE I SAID WHEN DOING MY RESEARCH, GRANTED, SOME OF IT CAME FROM CANADA AND THEY'RE EVEN MORE REGULATED THAN WE ARE. THEY HAVE TO TEST THE MATERIALS THAT THEY'RE STORING BEFORE THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DO IT, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DRAINAGE ANDTUFF. SO I DON'T KNOW IF J-PAL DOES THAT OR NOT. SO THAT'S MY INPUT. I SEE COMMISSIONER JENKINS DOWN THERE SCRATCHING HIS CHIN. ANY OTHER IMPORTER? MOTION COMMISSIONER CORNELIUS, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN LISTENING JUST TO SEE IF THERE WOULD BE ANYTHING THAT WOULD PROMPT ME TO VOTE, AS A YES FOR THIS. AND UNFORTUNATELY, THERE ISN'T. THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH INFORMATION THAT'S CONVINCING TO ME THAT THIS IS A GOOD USE OF THIS LAND. I JUST I DON'T AGREE THERE, AND I KNOW I'M, I SPEAK A LOT, BUT, WE HAD A CASE, LAST MEETING ABOUT, A CELL TOWER THAT THEY DIDN'T PROVE THEY HAD A NEED. AND WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE NEED PROVEN HERE EITHER. ESPECIALLY SINCE, OTHER SITES HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT BACKGROUND INFORMATION. AND AGAIN, THE CITY COUNCIL LOOKS TO US FOR ADVICE. NO MATTER HOW WE VOTE, THIS WILL GO ON TO THE COUNCIL, AND THEY WILL HOPEFULLY REVIEW OUR COMMENTS AND THEY'LL BE MORE INFORMED WHEN THEY MAKE THEIR DECISION. COMMISSIONER JENKINS OH, COMMISSIONER ROSE AND COMMISSIONER DUCKWORTH, COMMISSIONER JENKINS WERE YOU GOING TO MAKE A MOTION, A QUESTION? QUESTION? GO AHEAD. THEN. I WAS GOING TO GIVE THE OTHERS A CHANCE. YEAH, MR. CHAIR, YOU MENTIONED IN YOUR CONDITIONS, THE SPECIFICITY OR THE LEVEL OF SPECIFICITY THAT YOU WERE ATTEMPTING TO PROPOSE, CAN THAT INCLUDE JUST, YOU KNOW, ONLY WHAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED THIS EVENING, HOW SPECIFIC IN THOSE CONDITIONS BE? APPARENTLY, WE CAN RECOMMEND, ALMOST ANY CONDITIONS. AND THEY CAN BE SPECIFIC, INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, NO MATERIALS FROM THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT OR NO ADDITIONAL MATERIALS, YOU KNOW, WHATSOEVER FROM. OKAY. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER ROSE AND COMMISSIONER DUCKWORTH, COMMISSIONER DUCKWORTH HAS A QUESTION. I DON'T I HAVE A COMMENT, COMMISSIONER DUCKWORTH, WHEN WE LOOK AT LOOK AT THESE THINGS, WE'RE ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE LOOKING AT. HIGH IS HIGHEST AND BEST USED. AND YOU MENTIONED SEVERAL USES THAT LAND COULD BE USED FOR BY RIGHT TT I DON'T WANT TO USE IMPROPER WORDING, BUT COULD BE LESS AMENABLE TO THE NEIGHBORS THAN THIS. YOU KNOW, AS TAXPAYERS OF THE CITY ALSO, AS WELL AS SERVING THE CITY, IT'S WE HOPE WE DO THINGS AS ECONOMICALLY AND AS CONVENIENT WE AS WE CAN FOR OUR CITY SERVICES. SO MY THOUGHT IS, IN, IN INFORMATION INPUT AREAS, PERHAPS WE LOOK AT RECOMMENDING A NOISE STUDY, APPROVE THIS WITH A NOISE STUDY AND REMOVING THE OTHER USES THAT YOU MENTIONED. AND AND CLARIFY THIS WHAT'S GOING TO BE STORED THERE, IN APPROVING THIS UP TO CITY COUNCIL WITH THOSE STIPULATIONS? OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER ROSE. I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL THAT WE DENY THIS BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH INFORMATION AS TO WHAT LIMITATIONS CAN BE MADE TO THIS USE SECOND MOTION BY COMMISSIONER ROSE WAS A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JENKINS. THE MOTION IS TO DENY THE APPLICATION. AND I THINK WE'VE STATED A FEW REASONS. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE. IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THE MOTION WAS TO DENY. ALL RIGHT. THAT WAS LAST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA. SO UNTIL OUR * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.