Aug 05, 2024 Work Session

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TO THE MONDAY, AUGUST 5TH, 2024 WORK SESSION FOR THE GARLAND CITY COUNCIL, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, THIS, I WAS GOING TO SAY THIS MORNING FOR SOME REASON, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, THIS EVENING, MR. REX HAS A AN INTRODUCTION FOR A NEW STAFF MEMBER. THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL OF, I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A MINUTE TO INTRODUCE THE NEWEST MEMBER OF OUR CITY'S EXECUTIVE TEAM. AND IT'S NOT AN UNFAMILIAR FACE FOR SOME OF YOU. AS AS KEVIN'S BEEN WITH US HERE FOR THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF. AND HAS BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE CITY OF GARLAND IN VARIOUS CAPACITIES FOR A FEW YEARS NOW. SO, WANT TO INTRODUCE YOU TO KEVIN BULLARD. HE IS OUR CHIEF LEADERSHIP OFFICER AS OF JULY 17TH, 2024. KEVIN IS, LIKE I SAID, NO STRANGER TO THE CITY OF GARLAND. HE'S BEEN WORKING WITH OUR TEAM. TEAM GARLAND HERE FOR THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF. AND WE'RE HAPPY THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO BRING HIM IN HOUSE AS, AS OUR CHIEF LEADERSHIP OFFICER, LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO HELP HELP GROW TEAM GARLAND AND OUR OUR LEADERSHIP CAPACITY, OUR OUR MANAGEMENT TEAM, AND IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS, HELPING US SERVE THE RESIDENTS OF GARLAND BETTER IS WHAT IT BOILS DOWN TO. AND SO, WANT TO GIVE KEVIN A COUPLE OF MINUTES TO INTRODUCE HIMSELF, AND HE ALSO SERVES AS A CHAPLAIN FOR OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND LIKE I SAID, KEVIN'S BEEN VERY INVOLVED IN THE GARLAND COMMUNITY FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW, AND WE'RE EXCITED TO HAVE HIM ON BOARD. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, JUDD. AND I GUESS I COULD JUST SAY DITTO.

HE HAS SAID JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING, I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE THIS EVENING AND HAPPY TO BE A PART OF TEAM GARLAND. AS JUDD SAID, I'M NOT A UNFAMILIAR FACE. FOR THE PAST 18 MONTHS, I SERVED AS A CONSULTANT TO THE CITY, WORKING, PRETTY EXCLUSIVELY WITH JUDD AND, THE OTHER CITY MANAGERS AND ALSO TO MANAGING DIRECTORS. AND AS CHIEF LEADERSHIP OFFICER. THAT WILL CONTINUE, BEFORE I WAS MEETING INDIVIDUALLY WITH JUDD AND THE OTHER CITY MANAGERS, AND NOW I'LL BE MEETING INDIVIDUALLY WITH, THE ENTIRE EXECUTIVE TEAM OF MANAGING DIRECTORS AND EVERYONE WHO'S UP ON THE FOURTH FLOOR. AND THE PURPOSE OF THAT, REALLY MY JOB IS TO HELP ELEVATE THE PERFORMANCE, OF THE STAFF THROUGH LEADERSHIP. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I KEEP FINDING MORE AND MORE IS THAT THERE IS A CORRELATION BETWEEN, LEADERSHIP AND NOT JUST THE DOING OF LEADERSHIP, BUT ACTUALLY WHO YOU ARE BEING AS A LEADER. YOU CAN KNOW WHAT TO DO AS A LEADER, BUT HOW YOU'RE BEING CAN TOTALLY SABOTAGE WHAT YOU KNOW TO DO. AND SO BY WORKING WITH THE EXECUTIVE TEAM ON WHO THEY'RE BEING AS LEADERS HOPE TO ELEVATE THE PERFORMANCE. AND THAT'S JUST PART OF THE LARGER PART OF IT REALLY IS CREATING AN INFRASTRUCTURE OR A LEADERSHIP INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THE ENTIRE CITY, FOR ALL THE EMPLOYEES, WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE FOR THEM TO BE DEVELOPED AND TO MOVE FROM WHERE THEY ARE NOW IN THEIR PERFORMANCE AND IN THEIR THEIR JOB TO THE NEXT LEVEL? AND THAT'S WHAT I WILL BE TAKING ON. AND SO I'M EXCITED ABOUT IT. AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TONIGHT. VERY GOOD. WELL WELCOME, SIR. THANK YOU.

OFFICIALLY THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. MOVING INTO OUR AGENDA, PUBLIC COMMENTS ON WORK SESSION. I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS SIGNED UP THIS EVENING, NEXT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO

[ CONSIDER THE CONSENT AGENDA Council may ask for discussion or further information on any item posted in the consent agenda of the next Regular Meeting. Council may also ask that an item on the consent agenda be pulled and considered for a vote separate from the consent agenda at the next Regular Meeting. All discussions or deliberations are limited to posted agenda items and may not include new or unposted subject matter.]

[1. Annual Performance Update on the City of Garland Housing Agency's 2020-2024 Five Year Plan and Administrative Plan Approval Written staff presentation and recommendation to City Council recommending approval of the Garland Housing Agency's Annual Performance Update and the Administrative Plan revisions. This approval is necessary for the City of Garland to continue to receive funding and to provide rental assistance to low-income families from the Department of Housing and Urban Development. This item will be brought back for consideration at the August 06, 2024 City Council Regular Meeting. ]

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THEY GO TO PRIVATE LANDLORDS. GARLAND DOES NOT OWN PROPERTY. WE DON'T CONTROL PROPERTY. WE DON'T HAVE PUBLIC HOUSING, SO FORTUNATELY, OUR ANNUAL PLAN, WHICH YOU FIND IN FRONT OF YOU IS VERY, VERY SMALL COMPARED TO, LET'S SAY, A LARGER HOUSING AUTHORITY. THE ONLY UPDATE YOU'LL FIND ON THIS FROM PREVIOUS YEARS, ARE THREE THINGS. ONE IS THE BUDGET, THE BUDGET IS NOW GOING TO BE $19.5 MILLION, I BELIEVE, THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT ARE ON OUR FAMILY SELF-SUFFICIENCY PROGRAM HAS CHANGED. AND ALSO JUST OUR STAFF HAS CHANGED. AND WE HAVE TO NOTIFY HUD OF ANY TYPE OF CHANGES. THOSE ARE THE THREE THINGS THAT WE HAVE IN THERE AS FAR AS OUR UPDATES GO, YOU DID TALK ABOUT ACCOMPLISHMENTS THERE. NOT NECESSARILY IN THIS, BUT IF I CAN JUST TAKE A FEW MINUTES TO BRAG ON MY STAFF FOR A FEW MOMENTS, ONE OF OUR PROGRAMS THAT WE DO OFFER IS A HOMEOWNERSHIP PROGRAM. IT IS FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY ON THE PROGRAM THAT ARE VOUCHER HOLDERS. BUT WE WORK WITH THEM TO USE, THEY HAVE TO REACH OUT TO PRIVATE LANDLORDS OR, EXCUSE ME, PRIVATE MORTGAGE COMPANIES TO PURCHASE HOMES. SO FAR ON TRACK, WE ARE PROBABLY GOING TO BE CLOSING POSSIBLY 5 OR 6 HOMES THIS YEAR FOR PRIVATE HOMES.

THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE USING THE VOUCHER STILL TO ASSIST THEM WITH PAYING THE MORTGAGE. SO INSTEAD OF GOING TO A LANDLORD, IT GOES TO THEM AS A HOMEOWNER, WE FEEL THAT THIS PROGRAM HELPS THEM BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE TO REMAIN SELF-SUFFICIENT. THEY HAVE TO REMAIN EMPLOYED TO BE ON THIS PROGRAM. SO IF I COULD JUST THAT'S A LITTLE BRAGGING FOR MY STAFF ON THAT. THE OTHER DOCUMENT THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU, IS THE ADMINISTRATIVE PLAN.

ANYTHING THAT IS NOT REGULATORY OR POLICY, WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH A PLAN OF HOW WE ARE GOING TO IMPLEMENT THAT RULE. HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET FROM A TO B? SO THE OTHER DOCUMENTS YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU IS OUR ADMINISTRATIVE PLAN, THIS PLAN IS THE SAME EXACT PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED LAST YEAR ON JULY 18TH, 2023. THERE'S BEEN NO CHANGES TO IT WHATSOEVER. IF YOU'VE HEARD ANYTHING IN THE NEWS ABOUT SOME CHANGES COMING DOWN, THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF REGULATORY CHANGES, IT WAS ACTUALLY IMPLEMENTED. IT WAS PASSED INTO LAW IN 2016. HERE WE ARE NOW, 2024. THEY FINALLY DECIDED TO GO AHEAD AND TELL HOUSING AGENCIES AND AUTHORITIES ACROSS THE NATION THAT YOU'RE GOING TO START IMPLEMENTING THESE. UNFORTUNATELY, THEY RAN INTO A LOT OF TECHNICAL PROBLEMS, BOTH WITH THEIR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE LAW MEANT AND WITH THEIR, COMPUTER SYSTEMS IN GENERAL. SO THOSE POLICIES ARE GOING TO GET PUSHED BACK TO OCTOBER OF 2025.

SO WHAT YOU WILL BE RECEIVING NEXT YEAR WILL BE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ADMINISTRATIVE PLAN THAN WHAT YOU HAVE NOW. SO I HOPE I ANSWERED ALL THE QUESTIONS. I'M SORRY A LITTLE NERVOUS HERE. YOU'RE ON. THANK YOU SIR, CAN YOU SPEAK? SPEAK TO THE RESIDENT ADVISORY BOARD, IN

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SO THE ADVISORY BOARD IS IT. THEY MEET ONLY ONCE A YEAR, THEY ROTATE EVERY SINGLE YEAR. WE GET NEW BOARD MEMBERS, THERE TO REVIEW THIS PLAN. AND ONE OF THE MAIN COMMENTS THAT THEY'VE MADE, TO US. SO THEY HAVE MADE IN THE PAST IS WHAT'S CALLED OCCUPANCY STANDARDS. CURRENTLY WE DO TWO PEOPLE PER BEDROOM, FOR BUDGET REASONS. AND THEY HAVE REQUESTED THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE, MORE PEOPLE PUT ON THE, MORE PEOPLE PER BEDROOMS. BUT DUE TO BUDGET CONSTRAINTS, WE FEEL THAT IT'S BEST TO KEEP IT WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS TWO PEOPLE PER BEDROOM, SO WE CAN MAXIMIZE OUR BUDGET TO UTILIZE IT, TO USE TO HELP THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE CURRENTLY, WE'RE ACTUALLY UNDER UTILIZING THE NUMBER OF VOUCHERS WE HAVE, BUT WE'RE AT 100% CAPACITY OF OUR BUDGET. IS THAT IMPACTED AT ALL BY THE SIZE OF THE RESIDENTS OR THE FACILITY WHERE THEY'RE LIVING? THE NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS, IT DOESN'T IMPACT THEM AS FAR AS LIKE CODE COMPLIANCE OR ANYTHING. THEY CAN'T DO. THEY DON'T DO OVERCROWDING. A PERSON CAN FIND A LARGER UNIT IF IT'S WITHIN, IF IT WORKS WITHIN THE VOUCHER SIZE. SO WE DO ALLOW THAT. AND IT'S JUST THIS IS APPLIED TO STRICTLY TO THE VOUCHER PROGRAM. YES SIR. YEAH. THAT'S ALL WE HAVE IS A VOUCHER PROGRAM. AND HOW ARE THESE REPRESENTATIVES SELECTED. YOU SAID THEY MEET ONCE A YEAR. HOW CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT PROCESS. HOW ARE THEY SELECTED AND WHO DO THEY REPRESENT. YEAH. SO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE BEING PULLED IN FEBRUARY FOR ANNUAL RECERTIFICATIONS, WE GO AHEAD AND SEND OUT INVITATIONS TO SEE IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO BE SELECTED, IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO SERVE ON THE BOARD FOR A VOUCHER PROGRAM. THE RESIDENT ADVISORY BOARD, THERE'S LIMITED INPUT TO WHAT THEY CAN DO. AGAIN, WE DON'T OPERATE PROPERTIES. WE DON'T HAVE PROPERTIES. WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT THE PLAYGROUNDS. WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT FACILITIES AS IF WE WERE AN APARTMENT COMPLEX. SO IT'S VERY LIMITED WITH A VOUCHER PROGRAM. WHAT THE RESIDENT ADVISORY BOARD CAN ACTUALLY DO. BUT WE DO HAVE THEM PULL. WE HAVE THEM COME IN FOR OUR PUBLIC HEARING. I THINK LAST TIME, IF YOU DON'T MIND, IF I COULD ASK MY COLLEAGUE HOW MANY PEOPLE SHOWED UP AT THE LAST ONE FOR THE RESIDENT? YEAH, I THINK IT WAS AROUND 12 TO 15, 12 TO 15. SO YEAH, WE ASKED FOR VOLUNTEERS AND HOW MANY ARE ON THIS BOARD, 12 TO 15. OKAY I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND GET THE EXACT NUER, BUT 12 TO 15. YEAH APPROXIMATE. YES. ABOUT A 15. OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MAYOR. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THANKS, SIR. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS WHILE WE'VE GOT THEM HERE? I SEE NONE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND WE'LL MOVE

[2. Telehealth Partnership with Parkland Hospital Staff will give an update on a partnership program with Parkland Hospital to expand access to telehealth services in Garland.]

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AND YOU CAN USE IT WHILE YOU'RE IN THE LIBRARY. ALSO IN THE LIBRARIES, WE HAVE, STUDY ROOMS, PRIVATE STUDY ROOMS. YOU CAN GO UP TO THE DESK AND SAY, I'D LIKE TO RESERVE A STUDY ROOM FOR AN HOUR. AND IF THERE, IF THERE'S ONE AVAILABLE. AND THAT'S A KEY POINT IF THERE'S ONE AVAILABLE, THEN YOU COULD, IN THEORY, CHECK OUT A LAPTOP, TAKE IT INTO THE STUDY ROOM, AND NOW HAVE A PRIVATE CONVERSATION, WITH A MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL. SO THAT IS OPTION TWO, AND WHAT WHAT WOULD BE DONE IS SO IF ANY OF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH MY CHART, MANY OF THE, MEDICAL PROVIDERS USE THAT APP. ANDF YOU HAVE AN APPOINTMENT WITH A HEALTH CARE PROVIDER AND IT'S A IT'S A VIRTUAL APPOINTMENT, THEN YOU OPEN UP YOUR, MY CHART APP AND IT HAS THE LINK TO YOUR DOCTOR'S VISIT IN IT. SO WE WOULD, AS PART OF THIS OPTION TWO, WE WOULD INSTALL, BASICALLY A DESKTOP ICON THAT WOULD LAUNCH YOU TO MY CHART WHERE YOU COULD LOG IN TO YOUR ACCOUNT, AND I TO THAT POINT, I WANT TO SAY THAT THESE LAPTOPS ARE ALREADY SET UP, THAT WHEN YOU CHECK IT BACK IN, IT'S GOING TO FEEL FREE TO JUMP IN HERE AND SPEAK MORE, IN DETAIL THAN THAN I MIGHT. BUT IT WIPES THE CACHE AND YOU KNOW, THINGS CLEAN SO THAT WHATEVER PROFILE YOU WERE USING SHOULD BE GONE. WHEN YOU CHECK IT BACK IN. IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD? NO, WE WORK WITH IT ON THAT. SO IT'S ON OUR DESKTOP COMPUTERS. IT'S ON OUR LAPTOP COMPUTERS FOR THE PUBLIC AS WELL. SO THOSE ARE THE TWO OPTIONS WE'RE LOOKING AT. AND THEN WE LOOKED AT FACTORS TO SITE SELECTION WHERE WHERE IN THE COMMUNITY MIGHT WE WANT TO DEPLOY THESE OPPORTUNITIES.

PARKLAND. PROVIDED THIS IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO SEE. BUT IT'S THESE ARE FOR THEIR EXISTING PATIENTS. SO, PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY A PATIENT OF PARKLAND AND HAVE A HIGH VULNERABILITY RISK SCORE BASED ON PARKLAND'S CRITERIA. AND IN LOOKING AT THIS WITHIN GARLAND, WHAT YOU SEE, ON THE MAP TO YOUR LEFT, THAT'S SORT OF A BLOW UP. IS THAT AREA NORTH OF MILLER, GOING UP TO WHAT IS THAT ABOUT CASTLE 78, THAT IS THE AREA OF GARLAND THAT IS HIGHEST ON THEIR VULNERABILITY INDEX. WE ALSO WANT TO LOOK AT CITY OF GARLAND. SOME OF OUR STATISTICS. SO ONE THING WE DID WAS THE PARK. I'M NOT GOING TO READ ALL THIS, BUT IF YOU REALLY WANT TO KNOW HERE IT IS, BUT WHEN PARKS DID THEIR MASTER PLAN IN 2019, THEY ALSO DID A SOCIAL NEEDS AND CONDITION INDEX. THESE ARE ALL THE THINGS THAT WENT INTO THEIR INDEX. AND THEN ALSO CALLS OUT THE CENSUS TRACTS WITH THE HIGHEST NEED. AND THAT'S HOW THAT MAPS OUT. SO THE AREAS OF RED WOULD HAVE THE HIGHEST SOCIAL, NEEDS AND CONDITIONS INDEX IN THE CITY. SO YOU SEE THAT LOOKS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT PARKLAND PROVIDED FOR THEIR EXISTING PATIENTS. BUT ONCE AGAIN, THAT

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SO THE DARKER, THE BLUE, THE HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF HOUSEHOLDS WITHOUT INTERNET ACCESS. AND BY THE WAY, THIS IS A 2018 TO 22 NUMBERS. SO YOU'LL START TO SEE A PATTERN HERE. THE AREAS THAT ARE DARKER POVERTY LEVEL, YOU START TO SEE CENTRAL EAST GARLAND, BUT ALSO SOME IN THE SOUTH AND SOME IN THE WEST. PEOPLE WITHOUT HEALTH INSURANCE. FAIR OR POOR? GENERAL HEALTH AMONG ADULTS. NOW THIS IS I LIKE THIS GRAPH. THIS IS WHERE IT PULLS TWO DATA POINTS TOGETHER IN, SO IF IT IS NAVY THEN THAT YOU ARE YOU HAVE THE HIGHEST PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE WITHOUT HEALTH INSURANCE AND THE POOREST GENERAL HEALTH AMONG ADULTS. AND SO THEN IF YOU GO DOWN FROM NAVY AND YOU LOOK AT THE BROWN, THE DARK BROWN, WELL, THAT MEANS THAT YOU HAVE THE HIGHEST THE SECOND HIGHEST PERCENTAGE WITHOUT HEALTH INSURANCE. AND THEN IF YOU LOOK ON THE BLUE SIDE, THAT MEDIUM COLORED BLUE MEANS, HIGHEST FAIR, POOR HEALT. WE ALSO DID A CROSS ANALYSIS.

PEOPLE WITH FAIR OR POOR HEALTH AND NO INTERNET ACCESS. SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE YOU KNOW, NOT SURPRISINGLY, CENTRAL GARLAND, BUT A LITTLE BIT DOWN, SOUTH ALONG BROADWAY. AND WE HAVE 1 OR 2 CENSUS TRACTS THAT TEND TO POP UP IN WEST GARLAND AS WELL. AND THIS IS PEOPLE IN POVERTY WITH POOR, FAIR OR POOR HEALTH. SO FAIRLY CONSISTENT THERE. SO FROM THERE WE SAID, OKAY, WHERE DO WE HAVE CURRENT NONPROFIT PARTNERS? BECAUSE WE LOOKED AT NONPROFIT PARTNERS WHO HAVE A PHYSICAL LOCATION AND WHO MIGHT ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO, I'LL CALL IT OFFICE HOURS, OFFER OFFICE HOURS, BUT THEN WE ALSO LOOKED AT CITY FACILITIES AS WELL. SO WE PLOTTED ALL OF THAT AND LOOKED AT WHAT LINED UP. AND THIS IS BASICALLY THE RECOMMENDATION WE CAME UP WITH. SO FOR SOUTH GARLAND, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT WE WOULD OFFER BOTH OPTION ONE AND OPTION TWO AT THE SOUTH GARLAND LIBRARY, SO THIS MEANS THAT WE WOULD, PARKLAND WOULD PROVIDE A KIOSK AT THE SOUTH GARLAND LIBRARY, BUT WE WOULD ALSO GO AHEAD AND INSTALL THE MYCHART APP ONTO LAPTOPS, WHILE THEY DO HAVE THAT ACCESS, THAT ACCESS RIGHT NOW TO THE LAPTOPS AND STUDY ROOMS, STUDY ROOMS HAVE A TENDENCY TO BE IN HIGH DEMAND AND THEY'RE NOT ALWAYS AVAILABLE. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO GO AHEAD AND, AND PARTNER WITH PARKLAND. AND AT LEAST PILOT A KIOSK AT THAT LOCATION. IT'S ALSO ONE OF OUR LEAST CROWDED PHYSICALLY, LIBRARIES. AND SO WE COULD FIND THE SPACE FOR ONE IN CENTRAL AND EAST GARLAND IN DALLAS HERE, IN CASE YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HER, WHERE WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT GALE FIELDS REC CENTER ON DAIRY ROAD BE THE SITE OF A KIOSK, BUT THEN ALSO WHEN CENTRAL LIBRARY REOPENS IN THE SPRING, YOU WOULD HAVE OPTION TWO THERE AS WELL. SO AGAIN, YOU CAN CHECK OUT A LAPTOP, RESERVE A STUDY ROOM AND TAKE IT IN THERE. SO THAT GIVES US ONE OPPORTUNITY IN EAST GARLAND AND ONE IN CENTRAL. AND THEN FOR WEST GARLAND, WE SPOKE TO GOOD SAMARITANS, THE THOUGHT PROCESS IS THAT MANY OF THEIR CLIENTS MAY BE THE PEOPLE WHO NEED THIS. THE MOST, AND THEY ARE VERY EAGER TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROGRAM. AND SO THE RECOMMENDATION IS THAT A KIOSK BE OFFERED AT GOOD SAMARITANS, AND THEN THE NEW WEST GARLAND LIBRARY WOULD OFFER OPTION TWO, WHICH IS THE LAPTOPS, AND STUDY ROOM. SO THAT BRINGS US TO WHERE DO WE GO FROM THERE, WE'RE FINALIZING LOGISTICS AND CONFIRMING DELIVERY TIMES. SO BASICALLY PARKLANDS GRANT WOULD PAY FOR THE COST OF THE KIOSK AND ALL OF THE TECHNOLOGY HARDWARE THATOES INSIDE IT, THE CITY PROVIDES THE SPECS SO

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AND MR. BETTS IS HERE IN CASE WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, BUT SO THERE IS THAT ONE THING I'VE GOT TO FOLLOW UP AND SEE. WILL THE GRANT PAY FOR THOSE COSTS, OR WOULD WE HAVE TO BEAR THE FACILITY COSTS? AND THEN OTHER THAN THAT, THE ONLY THING THE CITY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR IS JUST, YOU KNOW, THE CLEANING, MONITORING, AND TECHNICAL SUPPORT. SO THAT THAT IS ONE ANOTHER REASON WHY WE THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO PILOT THIS AT THE LIBRARY, BECAUSE YOU HAVE A LOT OF STAFF WHO ARE USED TO PROVIDING TECHNOLOGY SUPPORT ALREADY, BECAUSE WE HAVE THE BANKS OF COMPUTERS THAT PEOPLE COME IN, TO USE ON A REGULAR BASIS, PARKLAND IS IN THE PROCESS OF DRAFTING AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT FOR OUR ATTORNEYS AND ULTIMATELY COUNCIL TO REVIEW. AND THEY ANTICIPATE HAVING THAT TO US. AND READY FOR YOUR REVIEW SOMETIME IN THE SEPTEMBER TIME FRAME. AND THEN I WAS GOING TO, THIS CONVERSATION WITH PARKLAND LED TO ADDITIONAL CONVERSATIONS WITH PARKLAND ON OTHER WAYS THAT THE LIBRARY AND PARKLAND CAN PARTNER. AND SO KAREN'S GOT A COUPLE LITTLE TALKING POINTS ON THAT. SO WE ARE IN THE BEGINNING STAGES OF TALKING WITH PARKLAND ABOUT A GREAT NEED THAT WE'RE SEEING, AND THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF PARENTS WHO ARE, PROVIDING SOME INPUT OF CHILDREN, TEENAGERS, YOUNG ADULTS WHO EXPERIENCED SOME, SOME DIFFICULT TIMES DURING THE PANDEMIC, NAVIGATING DURING THAT TIME FRAME. THEY MISSED A LOT OF FIRSTS, A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, JOBS, BEING ABLE TO GET A DRIVER'S LICENSE, BEING, HAVING TO DO SCHOOL FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS OR A CHUNK OF TIME WITHOUT BEING AROUND THEIR PEERS, H HAD SOME LASTING AND SOME NEGATIVE EFFECTS. SO WE'RE WORKING WITH PARKLAND ON TRYING TO DEVELOP SOME TRAINING AND SOME RESOURCES FOR PARENTS AND CAREGIVERS THAT THEY'LL BE ABLE TO COME TO THE LIBRARY AND PARTICIPATE IN. SO THEY'RE BETTER ABLE TO HELP THEIR TEENAGER OR THEIR YOUNG ADULT. AND THIS IS THE FIRST STEP. BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT OTHER AGE GROUPS AS WELL AS INCLUDING REALLY, REALLY YOUNG KIDS AND EVEN SENIORS TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH, NOT ALWAYS A PARENT, BUT A CAREGIVER, MAYBE A CHILD OF A SENIOR CITIZEN THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE AND HAVE SOME TRAINING AS WE GO DOWN THE ROAD WITH PARKLAND TO BETTER HELP THEIR THEIR LOVED ONE. SO WITH THAT, I THINK THAT'S THE END OF OUR PRESENTATION, AND I'LL OPEN IT UP TO COUNCIL FOR QUESTIONS AND FEEDBACK. OKAY SO YOU MENTIONED WHAT WE WOULD THE, THE ADDITIONAL WORK THAT WE WOULD NEED TO DO AT GALE FIELDS. AND IT'S A CITY LOCATION. BUT HOW DOES THAT APPLY TO GOOD SAM. AS FAR AS WHAT WOULD NEED TO BE INSTALLED THERE AND MONITORING AND INSTRUCTION DOES, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY THERE HAS TO BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN HOW TO USE IT. TECHNICAL SUPPORT. YEAH. THERE YOU GO. YES SO THE THOUGHT IS THAT THEY WOULD NOT DEPLOY THIS UNTIL THEY RELOCATE. SO ANY, ANY FACILITY NEED CONNECTION NEEDS THEY HAVE WOULD BECOME PART OF THAT REMODEL OF THE FACILITY ON EDGEWOOD, AS FAR AS SUPPORT, I THINK YOU KNOW, HAVING ONE, WE'RE KIND OF LOOKING AT THE SOUTH GARLAND LIBRARY AS A PILOT, AND THAT'S GOING TO PROVIDE US WITH SOME, SOME FEEDBACK ON HOW MUCH TECHNICAL TECHNICAL SUPPORT IS NEEDED, HOW MUCH DEMAND THERE IS, AND SO, GOOD SAMS CAN BENEFIT FROM, YOU KNOW, FROM HEARING WHAT WHAT THAT YOU CASE LOOKS LIKE. OKAY. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM, LOOK, SO PARKLAND HASN'T UTILIZED THE PODS ANYWHERE ELSE. THEY HAVE ONE LOCATION, AND I WANT TO SAY IT IS. ALSO, IS IT A FOOD BANK IN DALLAS? IT'S A SOUTH DALLAS LOCATION. I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S A FOOD BANK. I I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW SUCCESSFUL THAT IS, AND I ALSO, SINCE WE'RE RESPONSIBLE, WE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY

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SO ON THE EVENINGS, THAT WE STAY OPEN UNTIL 8:00, THERE MAY NOT BE A PROFESSIONAL ON THE OTHER END THAT WOULD WANT TO DO A TELEHEALTH VISIT AT 7:00 IN THE EVENING. THEY MAY HAVE THAT. I NEED TO FOLLOW UP WITH PARKLAND ABOUT THAT. BUT ANYTIME THE LIBRARY IS OPEN, THE POD WOULD BE AVAILABLE. AND WHO WOULD DRIVE THAT? SCHEDULING OF HEALTH PROFESSIONALS, PARKLAND OR US PARKLAND? PARKLAND WOULD DRIVE THAT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. AND LAST QUESTION. WHEN DO YOU SEE THIS FIRST PILOT? I KNOW YOU SAID THAT ISLA WAS BEING WORKED ON. WHAT'S YOUR PROJECTIONS AS FAR AS WHEN THE FIRST WILL BE READY TO HIT THE GROUND WITH THE FIRST PILOT? SO WELL, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING UNTIL THERE'S AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT. RIGHT. I UNDERSTAND, SO IF THAT IS IN SEPTEMBER, THEN ONCE THAT WAS APPROVED BY BOTH BODIES, THEN IT WOULD BE IN PARKLAND'S, HANDS TO ACTUALLY ORDER THE KIOSK AND I'VE ASKED FOR THAT TIMELINE. I HAVEN'T GOTTEN IT YET. SO, IT'S JUST HOW LONG IT TAKES THEM TO ORDER A KIOSK. THEY ARE WORKING ON THE. THERE'D BE A WRAP ON THE KIOSK. AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT GIVES PEOPLE SOME PRIVACY, SO I THINK THEY'RE GLASS OR PLEXIGLASS DOORS, BUT THEY WOULD PUT AN OPAQUE WRAP SO THAT PEOPLE AREN'T JUST LOOKING IN AT YOU AND YOUR COMPUTER SCREEN, SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO PRODUCE THAT WRAP AND HAVE THAT INSTALLED ON THE KIOSK, AND THEN THEY WOULD BE IN CHARGE OF DELIVERING IT, TO THE LIBRARY.

SO I UNFORTUNATELY HAVE NOT GOTTEN THAT TIME FRAME FROM THEM YET. OKAY. AND FINALLY, WHAT IMPACT? AND I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS GOING FORWARD. WILL THIS HAVE ON THE EXISTING BRICK AND MORTAR PARKLAND FACILITIES AND SERVICES, IF ANY? HOW WILL THAT I'M NOT SURE. I MEAN, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THIS IS PRIMARILY IT'S NOT TO REPLACE THEIR IN-PERSON VISITS. IT'S FOR THE KINDS OF VISITS THAT LEND THEMSELVES TO A VIRTUAL VISIT WITH A PHYSICIAN. SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU NEED LABS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, YOU'RE STILL GOING TO PHYSICALLY HAVE TO GO TO PARKLAND, OR SOME OTHER FACILITY AND THEN HAVE A BASE. THESE ARE BASICALLY FOR CONSULTATIONS WITH THE PHYSICIAN. IT MY UNDERSTANDING IS SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO CAPTURE IS BETTER CHRONIC ILLNESS MANAGEMENT, SO, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE MIGHT COULD BE DOING A BETTER JOB OF MANAGING THEIR CHRONIC ILLNESSES IF THEY HAD MORE REGULAR ACCESS TO A PHYSICIAN. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MAYOR. VERY GOOD. COUNCILOR ROT. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, WELL, BECKY, KAREN, I'D LIKE TO THANK BOTH OF YOU FOR WORKING SO HARD ON THIS PROGRAM.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT JED AND I WENT DOWN TO PARKLAND. I THINK IT WAS IN JANUARY WHEN WE WENT AND VISITED WITH THEM. AND TO GO FROM THAT MEETING, THEY WERE EXCITED ABOUT BRINGING THIS PROGRAM FORWARD AND TO SEE HOW FAR WE'VE GOTTEN WITHIN THIS YEAR. THIS IS FANTASTIC. SO I'M I'M ALL ON BOARD. I LIKE THE DATA DRIVEN ASPECT OF IT THAT YOU'VE THAT YOU'VE DONE. AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THAT, SOUTH GARLAND TEST PROGRAM ACTUALLY OPEN FOR BUSINESS. SO IT'S GOING TO BE COOL. THANK YOU. VERY GOOD. MAYOR PRO TEM MOORE THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I'M GOING TO ECHO EXACTLY WHAT, MY COUNTERPARTS HAVE STATED AND THAT IS VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE PROGRAM. I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE DONE AN OUTSTANDING JOB ON COLLECTING THE DATA AND BRINGING IT FORWARD FOR US. I'M QUESTIONING, HOWEVER, A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE INFORMATION AS IT RELATES TO NO INTERNET ACCESS. WHAT ARE WE SAYING THERE? ARE WE SAYING THAT THERE ARE NO POLES? THERE ARE NO TOWERS OR THEY DON'T HAVE COMPUTERS? HOW ARE YOU? THEY DON'T HAVE A SOURCE OF INTERNET WITHIN THEIR HOME. SO, NOW THIS WAS THIS IS FEDERAL CENSUS DATA, SO I CAN'T SPEAK, YOU KNOW, IN TOO MUCH DETAIL AS TO HOW THEY DEFINED IT. BUT MY UNDERSTANDING

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I'M JUST WONDERING PEOPLE HAVING THOSE TYPES OF HEALTH PROBLEMS, IF THEY ARE, HOW OFTEN THIS EQUIPMENT IS GOING TO BE USED, THEM BEING ABLE TO GET TO THE LIBRARY AND THAT TYPE OF THING.

BUT OF COURSE, THE PEOPLE WHO GO TO THE LIBRARY, IT'S GOING TO BE AVAILABLE. THEY'LL HAVE ACCESS.

SO THAT WOULD, TAKE CARE OF THEM. BUT I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT TYPE OF VOLUME WE'RE GOING TO GET AS FAR AS THE EQUIPMENT IS CONCERNED. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. VERY GOOD. AND COUNSELOR DUTTON. HI, LADIES. SO I THINK THAT IT'S FANTASTIC ON PAPER. BUT JUST SOMETHING TO KEEP IN YOUR BACK POCKET. GOOD. SAM HAS GONE THROUGH THE SAME THING WITH PARKLAND AND, THE NEIGHBORS MADE A BIG FUSS ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT IT WAS BRINGING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY CONCERN. IT WAS A PITCHFORK MOVEMENT. AND SO JUST. THAT'S MY. THAT'S THE ONL CONCERN THAT I HAVE ABOUT IT IS, CREATING ANOTHER SITUATION UNEXPECTEDLY. SO. THANK YOU.

OKAY ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? I SEE NONE. I, I THINK IT'S, I, I'M VERY GLAD TO SEE THIS. VERY HAPPY TO SEE IT. I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT HEALTH CARE ISSUES. SEEMS LIKE NONSTOP IN THIS COUNTRY, AND THERE'S MORE, USUALLY MORE PROBLEMS THAN ANSWERS, SO HOPEFULLY THIS WILL HELP GET A FEW MORE ANSWERS FOR PEOPLE AND, AND BRING SOME COVERAGE TO THEM. SO I'M VERY INTERESTED IN US PARTICIPATING IN THIS. AND I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE ALL OF THE LAYERS OF, OF RESEARCH WE'VE DONE TO IDENTIFY THE AREAS. SOME AND IT'S AMAZING HOW CONSISTENT, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE CATEGORY WAS. I THINK THE LOCATIONS ARE ALL IDENTIFIED, YOU KNOW, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT'S HEALTH CONDITIONS OR ACCESS OR WHATEVER. IT'S VERY CLEAR WHERE THE NEED IS. AND SO HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, I HOPE THAT THIS PROBLEM, THIS HOPE THAT THIS PROGRAM ADDRESSES SOME OF THAT AND THEN WE FIND WAYS TO GET IT IN OTHER SPOTS. OUTSIDE OF OUR CITY FACILITIES TO GET YOU KNOW, TO KIND OF SPREAD IT OUT INTO SOME OF THESE OTHER AREAS. SO VERY EXCITING TO LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THAT, PROBABLY FIRST MEETING OR SO IN OCTOBER. I'M GUESSING, WHEN IT WILL MAKE IT BACK AROUND SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE. ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM THREE, PRESENTATION OF THE FY 2425

[3. Presentation of the FY 2024-25 Proposed Budget The City Manager will present the FY 2024-25 Proposed Budget document to City Council. Following, staff will provide a brief overview of the City Manager's Proposed Budget. ]

COUNCIL MEMBERS, I'M PLEASED TO PRESENT YOU WITH THE PROPOSED OPERATING BUDGET FOR FISCAL 2025, WHICH MEANS THAT WE'RE 25 YEARS OUT FROM Y2K. IF YOU'RE KEEPING TRACK, WHICH IS TIME FLIES. WE'RE ALREADY ASKING IF PEOPLE REMEMBER WHAT PHONE BOOTHS ARE. NOW WE'VE GOT TO KNOW, DO YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER WHAT Y2K WAS? VERY GOOD. SO, COUNCIL, THE GOAL TONIGHT IS TO JUST GIVE A BRIEF INTRODUCTION TO THE PROPOSED BUDGET. YOU HAVE YOUR BUDGET DOCUMENTS IN FRONT OF YOU, AND WHEN YOU'RE STRUGGLING TO FALL ASLEEP AT NIGHT, DON'T READ THE BUDGET BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO KEEP YOU UP. IT'S EXCITING STUFF. AND WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, THE WHOLE OF WHAT HAPPENS AT THE CITY OF GARLAND IS REALLY CONTAINED IN THIS DOCUMENT. AND A LOT OF HARD WORK HAS GONE INTO THIS DOCUMENT. I WANT TO RECOGNIZE, OF COURSE, MATT AND ALLISON FOR THEIR EFFORTS, BUT ALSO THE EFFORTS OF OUR ENTIRE BUDGET DEPARTMENT, OUR BUDGET ANALYSTS AND THEIR TEAMS WHO HAVE SPENT MONTHS WORKING WITH OUR DEPARTMENTS AND RECOGNIZE AGAIN THE DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN WORKING FOR MONTHS, PUTTING THEIR BUDGETS TOGETHER, THAT ALL

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THAT'LL BE AUGUST 17TH, WE'LL BE BACK IN THIS ROOM WORNG THROUGH THE BUDGET IN GREATER DETAIL. AND SO WE'LL HAVE A NUMBER OF OUR DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS HERE AVAILABLE FOR PRESENTATIONS AND QUESTIONS THAT DAY. AND WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO THE WORK SESSION ON THE 17TH, WITH THAT, I WANT TO GIVE JUST A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW. AND THEN, MATT AND ALLISON, I THINK, ARE GOING TO SHARE SOME ADDITIONAL DETAILS ABOUT OUR REVENUE, REVENUE AND EXPENSES AND SOME TRENDS. WE'RE SEEING IN THE BUDGET, FIRST SLIDE THERE, ALLISON. SO THIS IS YOU'LL RECOGNIZE THIS TABLE FROM OUR JUNE WORKSHOP. AND THIS IS OUR STRATEGIC FOCUS AREA. AS YOU'LL RECALL, THAT WE ASKED COUNCIL TO EVALUATE, EACH OF THESE TEN AREAS BASED ON THEIR IMPORTANCE, THEIR EXECUTION, OR HOW WELL WE ARE PERFORMING EACH OF THESE FUNCTIONS. AND THEN IF YOU HAD TO PRIORITIZE THEM FROM A BUDGETING STANDPOINT, WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? AND SO I SHARE THIS. REALLY YOU'VE SEEN THE RESULTS, BUT I SHARE IT BECAUSE WE TRIED TO WEAVE THROUGH THE BUDGET, THIS HIGH LEVEL DIRECTION THAT WE RECEIVE FROM COUNCIL. AND SO WE TOOK INTO ACCOUNT THE IMPORTANCE OF EACH OF THESE AREAS. WE HAD THE, EACH DEPARTMENT, WHEN THEY SUBMITTED A BUDGET REQUEST, THEY PLACED THEM INTO THESE STRATEGIC FOCUS AREAS. AND THIS YOUR GUIDANCE AT THIS LEVEL REALLY HELPED US, PUT THE BUDGET TOGETHER. AND AGAIN, JUST WANTED TO SHARE THIS BECAUSE THIS, THIS THEME WEAVED ITS WAY THROUGH ALL THE WORK THAT WE DID IN PREPARATION FOR THE BUDGET, SO WITH THAT BACKGROUND IN APPROACHING THIS BUDGET, WANTED TO POINT OUT WHAT MY PRIORITIES WERE. YOU KNOW, VIEWING FROM THE CITY MANAGER SEAT, WHAT'S HAPPENING ACROSS THE ORGANIZATION, WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE COMMUNITY, AND HOW DO WE CONTINUE TO FUND THE SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE THE RESIDENTS OF GARLAND, BACK IN 2019, WHEN THE VOTERS APPROVED THE 2019 BOND PROGRAM, IT INCLUDED A NUMBER OF EITHER ENLARGED FACILITIES OR BRAND NEW FACILITIES. AND NOW THAT WE'RE DEEP INTO CONSTRUCTING THOSE FACILITIES AND ARE REALLY FACING OPENING THOSE FACILITIES, THE FIRST BUDGET PRIORITY THAT WE LIST HERE IS I WANT TO BE ABLE TO OPERATE THOSE FACILITIES. I THINK WHEN RESIDENTS WENT TO THE BALLOT IN 2019, THEY HAD AN EXPECTATION THAT WHEN THESE FACILITIES OPENED, THAT THEY WERE GOING TO BE OPERATED AT A CERTAIN SERVICE LEVEL AND SO, IN PARTICULAR NEXT YEAR WE'RE GOING TO BE FACING THE OPENING OF HOLFORD RECREATION AND AQUATIC CENTER. IT'S A LOT LARGER THAN OLD HOLFORD, AND THE WEST BRANCH LIBRAR SAME THING. IT'S A MUCH LARGER FACILITY. AND SO WE HAVE SOME NEW POSITIONS PROGRAMED INTO THE BUDGET TO OPERATE THOSE FACILITIES, THE SECOND ONE HERE IS THAT NOTHING GETS DONE AT THE CITY WITHOUT THE PEOPLE THAT GET THE WORK DONE. AND SO, I ALWAYS WANT TO KEEP IN, IN MIND THAT IF BEING A SAFE COMMUNITY IS A PRIORITY, WHICH COUNCIL INDICATED IT WAS, THAT MEANS THAT WE NEED PEOPLE TO DELIVER THE SERVICES THAT HELP KEEP US SAFE, WHETHER THAT'S POLICE, FIRE, ANIMAL SERVICES, ETC. AND SO MAINTAINING A COMPETITIVE WAGE POSITION IN THE MARKET IS IMPORTANT FOR THE CITY SO THAT WE CAN FILL THE POSITIONS THAT HELP DELIVER THOSE SERVICES THAT KEEP OUR COMMUNITY SAFE. AND SO THAT WAS ANOTHER GOAL IS TO MAINTAIN A COMPETITIVE MARKET POSITION IN OUR IN OUR KEY POSITIONS, THE THIRD ONE HERE HAS TO DO WITH INFRASTRUCTURE AND MAINTENANCE FUNDING, YOU SEE ROAD CONSTRUCTION HAPPENING HERE IN THE PICTURE. AND COUNCIL BACK IN JUNE, WE GAVE A LENGTHY PRESENTATION ABOUT THE CONDITION OF OUR STREETS AND THE ASSESSMENT THAT'S UNDERWAY, WE WANT TO MAINTAIN OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IN A WAY THAT CONTINUES TO PROVIDE THAT IT'S ABLE TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE THE SERVICES TO THE RESIDENTS OF GARLAND. AND SO THAT WAS ANOTHER PRIORITY COMING INTO THE BUDGET, NOT JUST FUNDING STREETS AND ALLEYS, BUT ALSO OUR OTHER KEY INFRASTRUCTURE AT THE CITY. I LIKE TO CALL IT THE BONES OF THE CITY. IT'S OUR IT'S OUR PIPES, OUR ROADS, OUR TOWERS, ALL THE THINGS THAT HELP KEEP THE CITY OPERATING, AND THEN FINALLY, IN A LOT OF OUR BUDGET BRIEFINGS AND REALLY LEADING BACK TO THE JUNE WORKSHOP, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE ECONOMIC CONDITIONS THAT WE'RE THAT WE'RE IN, RIGHT NOW. THE CITY'S ENJOYED SOME VERY FRUITFUL YEARS. WE'VE SEEN OUR PROPERTY AND SALES TAX

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THERE'S A NUMBER OF CERTIFICATION AND ASSIGNMENT PAY INCREASES FOR FIRE CIVIL SERVICE EMPLOYEES AS WELL. WE REALLY TOOK A CLOSE LOOK AT OUR MARKET POSITION IN THE IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND WANTED TO MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS THERE AS WELL. I DID WANT TO NOTE THAT, DUEO, REALLY WHAT IS GREAT MANAGEMENT OF OUR HEALTH FUND, OUR GROUP HEALTH FUND AND CREDIT TO KRISTIN SMITH AND MATT WATSON FOR HELPING MANAGE THOSE FUNDS, WE THIS IS A FIRST A FIRST IN A LONG TIME THAT WE HAVE NO PROPOSED INCREASE TO OUR EMPLOYEE RETIREE HEALTH INSURANCE PREMIUM CONTRIBUTIONS, YOU KNOW, WE GET COMMENTS A LOT FROM EMPLOYEES THAT, HEY, YOU INCREASE MY PAY, BUT HALF OF IT WENT TO PAY FOR MY INSURANCE PREMIUM. AND FORTUNATELY, WE'VE HAD SOME REALLY GOOD MANAGEMENT, SOME REALLY GOOD YEARS WITH OUR GROUP HEALTH FUND. AND THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE A TREND FOR THE FUTURE, BUT AT LEAST FOR ONE YEAR, WE'RE ABLE TO KEEP THOSE CONTRIBUTIONS WHERE THEY ARE RIGHT NOW, THE THIRD PRIORITY HERE, DEALING WITH INFRASTRUCTURE, A FEW FEW THINGS THAT I WANTED TO POINT OUT, ONE IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ADDING TO OUR TAX NOTE ISSUANCE FOR THE STREET PROGRAM THIS YEAR, WHICH WILL BRING OUR TOTAL FUNDING TO 41.6 MILLION FOR STREETS THIS YEAR. THAT THAT'S PROBABLY THE HIGHEST IT'S EVER BEEN, IN A FISCAL YEAR. SO WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THAT, WE WILL BE COMING BACK TO COUNCIL IN SEPTEMBER WITH THE FULL OR SEPTEMBER ISH, FULL STREETS AND ALLEY ASSESSMENT, KIND OF PART TWO OF OUR PRESENTATION ON THAT SESSMENT, TO LOOK AT EXACTLY WHERE THAT FUNDING GOES, WHAT IMPACT THAT WILL HAVE ON OUR PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX. AND OTHERWISE HELP COUNCIL GIVE US SOME DIRECTION ON OUR STREET AND ALLEY. PROGRAM AND FUNDING. LAST YEAR OR ACTUALLY IN THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR, WE ALSO ALLOCATED, I THINK SOME ONE TIME FUNDS FOR TRANSPORTATION SIGNS AND MARKING. YOU KNOW, IT'S A IT'S KIND OF AN UNSEEN BUT REALLY SEEN PART OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS ALL THE CROSSWALKS AND STOP BARS STOP SIGNS. WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO INCREASE FUNDING TO THAT PROGRAM, THAT ESTHETICALLY, NOT ONLY HAS AN IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY, BUT FUNCTIONALLY HAS A HUGE IMPACT ON ON HOW OUR STREETS ARE SAFE, AND SO WE WANT TO INJECT SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDING THERE AS WELL, PARKS MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS, YOU'LL SEE A NUMBER OF PROGRAMS THERE THAT ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE FUNDED AND INCREASE FUNDING AS WELL. TO KEEP, KEEP OUR PARKS ADEQUATELY MAINTAINED, AND THEN SOME PUBLIC SAFETY EQUIPMENT. AGAIN, JUST A FEW EXAMPLES THERE OF ITEMS AND REQUESTS THAT WERE IN THE BUDGET. WHEN WE GET TO OUR WORKSHOP ON AUGUST 17TH, YOU'LL HAVE DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS HERE TO GO INTO MORE DETAILS ABOUT ALL OF THESE, PROGRAM FUNDING. AND THEY'LL BE ABLE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS AS WELL, ON THOSE PARTICULAR ITEMS, LAST PRIORITY PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE AND KEEPING, HEALTHY FUND BALANCES, THERE'S A FEW THINGS I WANT TO POINT OUT HERE. ONE IS THAT IN THE GENERAL FUND, COUNCIL'S POLICY IS TO MAINTAIN 30 DAYS OF FUND BALANCE AVAILABLE IN RESERVE. WE'RE PROPOSING TO INJECT THAT AND TAKE IT UP TO 59 DAYS, AGAIN, NOT KNOWING WHAT THE NEXT FEW YEARS ARE GOING TO BRING. WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE, FINITE FINANCIAL RESERVES THAT ARE AVAILAB TO HELP US

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AND A LOT OF BRUSH AND TREE THAT HAD TO BE COLLECTED, THAT THAT CAME OUT OF THE CITY'S RESERVES.

WE WANT TO REPLENISH THOSE AND MAKE SURE THAT WHEN THAT HAPPENS AGAIN, WE HAVE ADEQUATE FUNDING TO BRING IN THE RESOURCES AND THE HELP. SHOULD SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPEN AGAIN OR IN PARTICULAR, IF WE GET A SPIKE IN FUEL COSTS THAT THAT DRIVES UP OUR EXPENSES IN THE SANITATION FUND, AND THEN GENERALLY IN OUR UTILITY FUND BALANCES, WE'RE DOING A SIMILAR THING. WE JUST WANT TO PREPARE THOSE FUND BALANCES TO RESPOND TO ANYTHING THAT ANYTHING VOLATILE THAT HAPPENS, WHETHER THAT'S IMPACTING GPML OR OUR WATER WASTEWATER UTILITIES. WE JUST WANT TO BE READY FOR ANYTHING THAT COMES ON ON THAT FRONT, BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO MATT AND ALLISON, A FEW OTHER RANDOM BUDGET NOTES, AS COUNCIL IS AWARE, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF COLA CONVERSATIONS. RUNNING IN PARALLEL WITH THE BUDGET AND REALLY, THE TWO ARE KIND OF PAIRED TOGETHER AS FAR OUR FINANCIAL STRATEGY FOR NOT ONLY PAYING FOR OPERATIONS, BUT ALSO HELPING TO PLAN FOR A COLA SHOULD WE WANT TO REINSTATE A COLA. AND SO THAT'S THAT PROCESS HAS BEEN RUNNING IN PARALLEL. WE'LL HAVE MORE CONVERSATIONS ON AUGUST 17TH AT THAT WORKSHOP AS WELL, AN ADDITIONAL POSITION THAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO FUND IN THE GENERAL FUND IS A MENTAL HEALTH CLINICIAN POSITION. THIS IS WHEN WE MADE THE TRANSITION FROM THE PUBLIC HEALTH CLINIC MOVED FROM CITY OF GARLAND TO DALLAS COUNTY, THERE WAS A POSITION TIED TO THAT THAT WE THINK WE'RE WE'RE ESSENTIALLY OUR COMMUNITY IS GOING TO LOSE ACCESS TO. AND SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO FUND THAT POSITION, TO ALLOW OUR RESIDENTS TO HAVE ACCESS TO SOME OF THE RESOURCES AND REFERRALS THAT THAT ARE NEEDED FOR A COMMUNITY IN NEED, SUCH AS GARLAND, THERE'S SOME EXTERNAL SUPPORT FOR OUR CITY WEBSITES. WE DO NOT HAVE A DEDICATED WEBSITE, OUR WEBSITE MANAGER, SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO BRING JUST THIS. THIS IS SOME ONE TIME, MONEY THAT WOULD HELP FUND, MAKING SURE THAT OUR WEBSITE IS WELL MAINTAINED AND OPERATED IN ADDITION TO OUR SOCIAL MEDIA OUTLETS AS WELL. AND SO THERE'S SOME ONE TIME FUNDS FOR THAT, AGAIN, LOOKING FOR WAYS TO IMPROVE COMMUNICATION WITH RESIDENTS, IN THE SANITATION FUND, THERE'S TWO, TWO ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL AND TWO COMMERCIAL DRIVERS TO SUPPORT ADDITIONAL DEMAND IN THE ON THE SANITATION SIDE, AND AS OUR FACILITIES CONTINUE TO AGE, WE'VE PROGRAMED, PROGRAMED IN SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR MAINTENANCE AND MODERNIZATION. AND THEN ON THE IT SIDE, A COUPLE ADDITIONAL POSITIONS THERE TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT AND FORTIFY THE CITY'S NETWORK. SO, COUNCIL, AS I MENTIONED, WE'LL HAVE DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS HERE TO GO INTO MORE DETAIL ABOUT THESE. AND I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THERE. AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MATT AND ALLISON TO TALK ABOUT OUR TAX RATE AND, AND SOME OTHER ITEMS. YES SIR. THANK YOU. JED. GOOD EVENING, SINCE WE'VE LAST SEEN YOU, WE HAVE RECEIVED OUR CERTIFIED VALUES. SO THE CITY OF GARLAND CERTIFIED TAX, PROPERTY TAX BASE FOR 2024 IS 26.8 BILLION. THIS IS AN INCREASE OF 2.7 BILLION OVER OUR 2023 PROPERTY TAX BASE. THAT IS AN 11.2% INCREASE CHANGE OVER 2023. WE BELIEVE THIS A LARGE PORTION OF THIS IS DUE TO CAPPED LOSS ASSOCIATED WITH THE RECORD INCREASES WE SAW IN 2022 AND 2023, AS WE ARE SEEING THAT MARKET CONDITIONS ARE CHANGING, AND WE DO NOT EXPECT THESE LEVEL OF INCREASES TO CONTINUE. WE, WE ANTICIPATE RETURNING MORE TO OUR HISTORIC NORMS OF THAT 11.2%, 1.2% IS ASSOCIATED WITH NEW CONSTRUCTION AND 10% IS ASSOCIATED WITH GROWTH IN OUR EXISTING PROPERTY TAX BASE. NEW CONSTRUCTION TOTALED 297 MILLION FOR 2024. THIS IS MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT WE WERE SEEING.

FOLLOWING 2016 UP UNTIL THE EARLY 2020S, 2023 WAS A RECORD SETTING YEAR FOR THE CITY OF GARLAND, AND WE DO ANTICIPATE THAT WE DO ANTICIPATE TO RETURN TO MORE OF OUR NORMAL NEW

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MOVING INTO THE PROPOSED BUDGET, LOOKING AT OUR PROJECTED GENERAL FUND RESOURCES, YOU'LL SEE THAT OUR FOUR LARGEST REVENUE SOURCES ACCOUNT FOR ALMOST 71% OF TOTAL GENERAL FUND RESOURCES, WITH THE TWO LARGEST BEING PROPERTY TAX AND SALES TAX. IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT PRIOR TO THIS YEAR, THE GPD RETURN ON INVESTMENT WAS OUR THIRD LARGEST REVENUE SOURC, BUT DUE TO OUR EXPANSION AND REALLY KIND OF THE GROWTH OF OUR LANDFILL BECOMING A REGIONAL LANDFILL, THE LANDFILL AND DISPOSAL SERVICE HAS BECOME OUR THIRD LARGEST REVENUE SOURCE FOR THE GENERAL FUND, AND IT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT COST CENTER FOR THE FUTURE OF GENERAL FUND REVENUES. MOVING INTO OUR ANNUAL SALES TAX REVENUE, SALES TAX WITHIN THE CURRENT YEAR GREATLY BENEFITED FROM ONE TIME CAPITAL INVESTMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH SOME NEW CONSTRUCTION IN OUR CITY. LOOKING INTO THE MONTHLY SALES TAX REPORTRTS AND TRENDS WE ARE BEGINNING TO SEE A SLOWDOWN IN GOODS AND SERVICES, AND WE DO ANTICIPATE THAT MOST CONSUMERS ARE STARTING TO PULL BACK ON THEIR SPENDING, AND WE ANTICIPATE THAT TO CONTINUE INTO THE NEXT YEAR AND YEARS AFTER. SO WHAT YOU WILL SEE HERE IS, WHILE IT IS AN INCREASE OVER LAST YEAR'S ADOPTED BUDGET, IT IS A DECREASE FROM THE CURRENT YEAR'S REVISED BUDGET. MOVING INTO OUR GPD RETURN ON INVESTMENT, THIS THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT INCREASES 3.5% EACH YEAR, TO ENSURE THAT THE GENERAL FUND HAS A STABLE REVENUE SOURCE, FOR ITS CONTRIBUTION AND SUPPORT AND MANAGEMENT OF GPML, IT IS PROPOSED TO INCREASE 808,000 FOR THE UPCOMING YEAR. FINALLY, OUR LAST MAJOR REVENUE SOURCE FOR LANDFILL AND DISPOSAL

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THIS IS AN INCREASE OVER LAST YEAR'S ADOPTED, WHICH WAS 22.2 MILLION, THIS CAN BE ATTRIBUTED TO, INCREASE REVENUE FROM OUR GAS TO ENERGY PROJECT, WHERE ANYTHING ABOVE 600,000 GOES TO DIRECTLY TO THE GENERAL FUND JUST TO SUPPORT OPERATIONS AS WELL AS INCREASE TONNAGE IN THE FEE CHANGES PROPOSED LAST YEAR. IN SUMMARY, TOTAL RESOURCES FOR THE GENERAL FUND ARE 246.9 MILLION AND OUR TOTAL USES OF FUNDS IS 246.9 MILLION. PRESENTING A BALANCED BUDGET TO THE CITY COUNCIL, YOU WILL SEE THAT SALARIES AND BENEFITS MAKE UP A LARGE SHARE OF GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES INCLUDED IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET IS MEETING THE 30 DAY FUND BALANCE REQUIREMENT.

AND AS I HAD MENTIONONED EARLI, WE ARE PROPOSING TO INCREASE OUR AVAILABLE RESERVES BY 7 MILLION TO ACHIEVE THOSE 59 DAYS. IT'S NOTABLE AMOUNT OF RESERVES ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT'S REQUIRED BY REQUIREMENT. AND OUR PREVIOUS GOAL OF HAVING 45 DAYS IN PRIOR YEARS. THAT 30 DAY FUND BALANCE REQUIREMENT IS 18.8 MILLION FOR THE UPCOMING YEAR. QUICK REVIEW OF OUR PROPOSED UTILITY RATES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THE BUDGET. WE ARE PROPOSING INCREASES FOR WATER, SEWER, TRASH AND STORM WATER. WATER IS PRIMARILY DRIVEN BY INCREASES WITH OUR PURCHASE OF WATER FROM NORTH TEXAS. WASTEWATER IS PRIMARILY DRIVEN BY THE CAPITAL INVESTMENT REQUIRED IN OUR CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE TO OPERATE. TRASH IS INCREASE IS PRIMARILY ASSOCIATED WITH THE EQUIPMENT AND STAFFING NEEDED TO OPERATE ON A DAILY BASIS. AND THEN FINALLY, OUR STORM WATER INCREASESE SHOWN HERE IS TO CONTINUE OUR PHASED IN IMPLEMENTATION OF INCREASING THIS RATE CLOSER TO THE METROPLEX AVERAGE TO DEVELOP SEED MONEY FOR MAJOR DRAINAGE AND EROSION IMPROVEMENTS ON THE HORIZON. SO THE AVERAGE RESIDENTIAL BILL IS PROPOSED TO INCREASE $4.32 ON MONTHLY BILL. EXCUSE ME. THE TOTAL CONSOLIDATED PROPOSED BUDGET IS 1.04 BILLION. THIS IS OUR LARGEST COMBINED OPERATING BUDGET EVER. IT IS AN INCREASE OF 88.7 MILLION OVER LAST YEAR'S ADOPTED BUDGET. AND GENERAL FUNDS. TOTAL EXPENDITURES IS 246.9 MILLION, AN INCREASE OF 11.4 MILLION OVER THE PRIOR YEAR'S ADOPTED. MOVING ON INTO SOME PROCEDURE AND SOME UPCOMING DATES FOR BUDGET REVIEW, AS YOU GO THROUGH YOUR DOCUMENT AND ANY OF THE PRESENTATIONS YOU HAVE TO DATE, STARTING WITH THE JUNE JUNE RETREAT, AS WELL AS TONIGHT'S. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DOCUMENT OR, ABOUT ANYTHING IN THE SLIDE MATERIAL, PLEASE SUBMIT THOSE TO ME. I WILL WORK WITH CITY MANAGEMENT AS WELL AS THE DEPARTMENT INVOLVED TO GET YOU THE BEST ANSWER POSSIBLE. AND WE WILL SEND THAT TO ALL OF CITY COUNCIL VIA EMAIL, AS WELL AS MAKE THAT AVAILABLE IN THE COUNCIL'S BOX. IF YOU HAVE CHANGES YOU WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE OR SUBMIT TO THIS PROPOSED OPERATING BUDGET, PLEASE SUBMIT THEM TO ME AS WELL. WE WILL WORK WITH CITY MANAGEMENT TO COME UP WITH THE BEST FUNDING SOURCE, RECOMMENDATION OR FUNDING OPTIONS FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER TO MAKE THAT REQUEST POSSIBLE, STAFF WILL PRESENT THAT, TO ALL OF THE CITY COUNCIL FOR YOU ALL TO DELIBERATE. AND THEN FINALLY, HERE ARE ALL THE DATES WHERE WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE TO DISCUSS AND DELIBERATE ON THE PROPOSED BUDGET, BEGINNING WITH TOMORROW NIGHT. YOU WILL SEE A SUBMITTAL OF THE APPRAISAL ROLL AS WELL AS YOU WILL BE ASKED TO VOTE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SOME PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THE PROPOSED TAX RATE PRESENTED TONIGHT ON AUGUST 17TH, WE WILL HAVE DEPARTMENT PRESENTATIONS AS WELL AS A MORE IN-DEPTH OVERVIEW OF THIS PROPOSED BUDGET AND FOLLOW UP CONVERSATIONS. FOLLOW UP DELIBERATIONS ON THE TMRS COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT. ON AUGUST 19TH, WE WILL CONTINUE COUNCIL DISCUSSIONS AT OUR REGULAR WORK SESSION ON AUGUST 20TH, WE WILL HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PROPOSED BUDGET AND PROPOSED TAX RATE ON AUGUST 27TH. IF THE

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IT'S A WHOLE LAUNDRY LIST. THOSE ARE THE MAJOR ONES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. COUNCILOR WILLIAMS, THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU BOTH FOR THAT. ALLISON, WOULD YOU PROVIDE IN RESPONSE TO DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM, CAN YOU PROVIDE THAT BREAKDOWN INFORMATION TO COUNCI? CAN YOU SEND THAT INFORMATION TO US JUST FOR OUR EDUCATION? I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO SEND IT TO YOU. I'LL ALSO PLUG THE DOCUMENT THAT'S SITTING IN FRONT OF YOU. IF YOU GO TO THE GENERAL FUND SUMMARY, THERE IS A DETAILED SCHEDULE OF ALL REVENUES. THAT LISTED BY SOURCE, BUT I WILL I WILL SEND THAT PAGE NUMBER TO COUNCIL SPECIFICALLY. WE'LL GO TO THAT PAGE NUMBER. SO WE DON'T HAVE TO START ON THAT PAGE. RIGHT PAGE START WHERER YOU WANT OKAY. 500 473. RIGHT OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH ALLISON. THANK YOU. MAYOR. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? I DO HAVE A CLARIFICATION, MR. CITY ATTORNEY, TOMORROW NIGHT FOR THIS ITEM, IS THERE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE, THAT YOU WILL PRESENT OR HAVE AVAILABLE TO WHOEVER MAKES THE MOTION THERE? THERE ALWAYS SEEMS TO BE SOME CONFUSION. THERE YES. WE GO AHEAD. SORRY. YES WE'LL HAVE SOME LANGUAGE, FOR WHOEVER IS MAKING THE MOTION TOMORROW. OKAY. VERY GOOD, VERY GOOD. ALL RIGHT. I I HEAR BEEPING, BUT NOBODY'S COMING UP IN THE QUEUE, SO. OH I WAS LIKE I HEAR BEEPING BUT NOTHING'S HAPPENING HERE ON THE SCREEN. ALL RIGHT. WELL THANK YOU BOTH VERY MUCH.

OBVIOUSLY WE WILL. THIS WILL BE AN ONGOING DISCUSSION. THANK YO. AND MOVING TO OUR LAST ITEM,

[4. Administrative Services Committee Report Administrative Services Committee Chairperson Lucht, assisted by City staff, will deliver a report from the committee.]

AND THIS WAS A REFERRAL ITEM FROM COUNCIL MEMBER LOCKE AND COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMS TO THE ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES COMMITTEE. SO JUST REALLY WANTED TO DO A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW ABOUT PUBLIC ART. AND, THANKS TO AMY FROM OUR ARTS PROGRAM, AS WELL AS TIFFANY FO HELPING ME PUT THIS PRESENTATION TOGETHER. BUT, JUST A QUICK OVERVIEW THAT PUBLIC ART, IS ARTWORKS OR ART PLACES CREATED BY AN ARTIST, ARTIST OR COLLABORATION OF ARTISTS AND DESIGN PROFESSIONALS FOR A PUBLIC PLACE FOR THE PUBLIC TO EXPERIENCE OR FOR A PUBLIC PURPOSE. SO I REALLY WANTED TO GIVE THAT AS A FOUNDATION OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH PUBLIC ART. I KNOW WITHIN THE COMMITTEE THAT WAS A QUESTION OF WHAT WHAT IS IT ACTUALLY PUBLIC ART AND WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT, SO WITH THAT, REALLY ALSO WANTED TO TALK ABOUT PROJECT, WORKFLOW FOR ART AND SO RIGHT NOW, THROUGH A CULTURAL MASTER PLAN THAT WE HAVE, WE HAVE A PROCESS FOR WHENEVER WE

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AND THEN THERE WOULD BE A CALL FOR ARTISTS, AND THEY WOULD GO THROUGH ALL OF THOSE ARTISTS, AND THEN THEY WOULD MAKE A FINAL SELECTION AND THEN GO TO A CONTRACT, AND THEN THE PRODUCTION OF THE OF THE, OF THE PROJECT, THE CONTRACT IS VERY IMPORTANT, I THINK, THE CITY ATTORNEY WILL TALK ABOUT THAT. A LITTLE BIT IS, AS WE LOOK AT PUBLIC ART ON WHO OWNS THAT ART AND WHAT RIGHTS ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THE PUBLIC ART, SO CURRENT FUNDING OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE FOR ART IS THAT IT REALLY IS DRIVEN BY SPECIFIC PROJECTS. THERE'S NOT NECESSARILY A BUCKET OF FUNDS THAT SITS, FOR, FOR PUBLIC ART AT THIS TIME. HOWEVER, THERE MAY BE OPTIONS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT. AND THE COUNCIL CAN DISCUSS. SO AS WE TALK ABOUT BEING PROJECT DRIVEN, SOME OF THE, FUNDING SOURCES, WE CAN LOOK AT, OUR CITY FUNDS, AN EXAMPLE OF THIS ARE COMING FROM GENERAL FUND, CIP, HOTEL, MOTEL TAX. THE GARLAND CULTURAL ART COMMISSION ALSO HAS ACCESS TO FUNDING. AND THERE'S ALSO PARTNERSHIPS WITH INDIVIDUALS AND CORPORATIONS FOR FUNDING AND, OF COURSE, FOUNDATIONS, DEVELOPERS AND DIFFERENT GRANT OPTIONS WE HAVE FOR FUNDING, SO THE COMMITTEE DISCUSSED POTENTIAL FUNDING OPTIONS THAT MAY BE UTILIZED IN THE FUTURE. AND I THOUGHT IT'D BE IMPORTANT TO START OUT WHATEVER FUNDING MECHANISMS WE MAY WANT TO LOOK AT OR WE MAY WANT TO APPROVE GOING FORWARD. IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE ALSO CONSIDER HOW WE'LL FUND THE UPKEEP OF ART. SO ONCE WE GET A PIECE OF PUBLIC ART, WE'LL NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MAINTAINING IT AND THAT WE'RE KEEPING IT FOR ITS USEFUL LIFE, SO THE FIRST ITEM THAT WAS DISCUSSED FOR, FUNDING WAS REALLY A ONE TIME BUDGET ALLOCATION. SO THERE ARE TIMES WHERE WE COME IN WITH BETTER EXPECTED REVENUES FROM THE GENERAL FUND. AND SO THIS WOULD BE TO UTILIZE THOSE TYPE OF REVENUES AT THE END OF A FISCAL YEAR AND EARMARK THOSE FOR PUBLIC ART PROJECTS, THERE ARE ALSO HOTEL MOTEL TAX OPTIONS. HOWEVER THOSE ARE CAPPED AT 15% FOR ART PROJECTS. AND CURRENTLY THE CULTURAL ART COMMISSION RECEIVES ABOUT 13% OF THAT AMOUNT. SO WE ARE NEARING THAT THAT AMOUNT BEING CAPPED OUT, THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT UTILIZING CIP FUNDS OR BOND OR DEBT ISSUANCE FOR ART, AND THAT CONVERSATION DID GO TO A PERCENT FOR ART PROGRAM. AND IF THE COUNCIL IS NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT, THAT IS AN ACTUAL ORDINANCE THAT CAN BE PUT IN PLACE, THAT 1% OF ANYTHING SPENT ON A CIP PROJECT WOULD ALSO HAVE TOE SET ASIDE OR DEDICATED TOWARDS, PUBLIC ART. AND AS PART OF THAT, CIP ISSUANCE, I SHARED WITH COUNCIL MEMBER LUCK THAT WITHIN THE BOND CHARGE THAT THE COUNCIL APPROVED, THAT WOULD GO TO THE BOND COMMITTEE, PUBLIC ART WAS SPELLED OUT AS AN ITEM FOR THE COMMITTEE TO LOOK AT. SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THEY WILL ADDRESS AS PART OF THEIR, STUDY OF THE BOND NEEDS OF THE CITY.

AND I INCLUDED THE STATEMENT THAT'S WITHIN THE, THE CHARGE HERE. AND THEN THERE WAS ALSO DISCUSSION ABOBOUT UTILING TIF FUNDS. AND WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN JUPITER FOREST JUPITER TIFF PROGRAM, THERE'S 50,000 SET ASIDE A YEAR OR UP TO $1 MILLION IN THEIR FINANCING PLAN FOR PUBLIC ART. AND THEN, OF COURSE, WE HAVEN'T IDENTIFIED ANYTHING IN THE MEDICAL DISTRICT IN THEIR PLAN YET, BUT THAT IS AN OPTION THAT THAT GROUP COULD CONSIDER FOR FUNDING ART, AND WITH THAT, I JUST WANTED TO ALSO SHARE WHEN IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO UTILIZE GENERAL FUND VERSUS CIP FOR ART. SO TYPICALLY GENERAL FUND IS GOING TO BE STUFF THAT'S, BELOW 25,000 THAT HAS A USEFUL LIFE. LESS THAN FIVE YEARS. THIS IS COMMONLY THE, MURALS, THE UTILITY BOX WRAPPING THINGS THAT HAVE A SHORT LIFESPAN BEHIND THEM. AND THEN YOUR CIP DEBT ISSUANCE ITEMS WOULD BE MORE OF YOUR GATEWAY WAYFINDING ITEMS, THINGS OVER FIVE YEARS OF AGE AND MORE THAN 25,000 IN VALUE. SO WITH THAT, I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION AND OPEN IT UP TO THE COUNCIL FOR POTENTIAL DIRECTION THAT WE MAY HAVE FOR THE FUTURE OF ART AND FUNDING. I HAVE NO ONE IN THE QUEUE. OKAY AND YOU'RE ALREADY IN THE QUEUE. OKAY ONE THING I ALSO I DIDN'T MENTION THE COUNCIL MEMBERS IN THIS COMMITTEE ARE COUNCILMAN HEDRICK AND COUNCILWOMAN BEARD.

SO, I DO WANT TO KIND OF AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THIS IN ITEM TWO. ALSO BUT THE ROI ON THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT, ON PUBLIC ART IS ACTUALLY QUITE HIGH, THEY, AMY DID SOME STUDIES AND, AND SHOWED US THAT WITH THE MURALS DOWNTOWN, THOSE ARE PLACES WHERE PEOPLE GO WHEN THEY WHEN THEY GO, THEY GO TO OTHER PLACES AND SPEND MONEY. SO IT'S REALLY IT'S JUST A WONDERFUL THING. AND I KNOW EVERYBODY KNOWS HOW MUCH I LIKE PUBLIC ART. SO, I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU ALL TO PLEASE CONSIDER APPROVING THAT PLAN. OKAY COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS, YOU DID SAY MR. CITY

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OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND ANOTHER QUESTION, MADAM CHAIR, WE HAVE YOU MENTIONED, THE VETTING PROCESS FOR ARTISTS. WE HAVE A NUMBER OF, OF ART STUDIOS, ART GALLERIES, THINGS LIKE THAT IN THE CITY, CAN YOU TALK JUST BRIEFLY ABOUT. HOW WILL WHAT WOULD BE THEIR ROLE? WHAT WHAT ARE YOU PROJECT AS THEIR ROLE IN THIS THIS WHOLE PROCESS? THE LOCAL WE'VE GOT SOME, YOU KNOW, OF OUR EXISTING ART COMMUNITY IN GARLAND. WE HAVE THEM, AND I KNOW, YOU KNOW, I LOVE THE MURALS, TOO, BUT YOU HAVE YOU HAVE SOME OTHER ART YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE. I DON'T KNOW THE NAMES, I DON'T KNOW. SHE KNOWS THE NAMES FOR ART, BUT YOU HAVE THE FRAME STUFF, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE WHAT I CALL THE SYMBOL ART, THE STUFF LIKE THAT. YOU KNOW, THE TALL STUFF. SO CAN YOU TALK A BIT ABOUT WHAT'S WHAT WOULD BE THE ROLE OF OUR LOCAL ART COMMUNITY IN GARLAND IN THIS PROCESS? SO I'LL ANSWER THAT QUESTION IN TWO PARTS, IF I MAY. SO AS WE TALK ABOUT IDENTIFYING THE SPONSOR DEPARTMENT FOR A PROJECT. SO AN EXAMPLE, IF IT'S A PARK PROJECT, WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO A MURAL STATUE. SOMETHING TO THAT ASPECT. OR THERE COULD BE LANDSCAPING OR SOME OTHER TYPE OF, OF ART ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. SO, TO THE SECOND PART OF YOUR QUESTION, SIMILAR TO WE WOULD, PROCURE STUFF THROUGH OUR PROCUREMENT DEPARTMENT, WE WOULD WANT TO TRY AND REACH OUT TO OUR LOCAL FOLKS. AND SO WHEN WE DO A CALL FOR ARTISTS, IT IS ESSENTIALLY A REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL THAT WE SEND OUT. AND SO IF THERE ARE LOCAL INDIVIDUALS THAT CAN HELP US WITH THESE PROJECTS, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL IS IN THEIR HANDS. AND IF THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY AND THE ABILITY TO, WE'D LIKE THEM TO PROPOSE ON THE PROJECT AND THE COMMITTEE CAN THEN SCORE. WHO'S THE BEST FIT FOR THAT PROJECT. THANK YOU SIR, I'M ALL IN. THANK YOU. OKAY WE'VE CLEARED THE QUEUE. OKAY, THE NEXT ITEM WAS, TO DISCUSS ENCOURAGING ART ON PRIVATE DEVELOPMENTS. AND THIS WAS REFERRED BY COUNCIL MEMBER LOCKE AND COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMS, THERE WAS DISCUSSION BY AMY, AND IT WAS REALLY CENTERED AROUND ENCOURAGING PUBLIC. I'M SORRY, PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT TO PROVIDE ART WITHIN THEIR, THEIR DEVELOPMENTS THAT THEY HAVE POPPING UP. AND SO WHAT SHE DID IDENTIFY WAS THE CITY OF CLEARWATER, FLORIDA, HAS HAS GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS, AND SHE REALLY LIKED THEIR PROCESS OF BEING ABLE TO IDENTIFY, INCENTIVES FOR, FOR ART WITHIN PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT. AND SO SHE HAD A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE START WITH A MARKETING CAMPAIGN THAT'S JUST UNDER 35,000, THAT WOULD EXPLAIN WHAT THE BENEFIT OF PUBLIC ART WOULD BE WITHIN PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT. AND THIS WOULD INCLUDE THE ATTRACTING, DIFFERENT TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT, THE QUALITY OF LIFE AND THINGS. COUNCIL MEMBER LUCK STATED THAT IT DOES ATTRACT PEOPLE TO OUR COMMUNITY WHEN THERE IS PUBLIC ART, THERE IS A GROUP THAT'S LOOKING FOR THAT TYPE OF QUALITY OF LIFE AND THAT ASPECT THAT THEY'RE THEY WANT TO BE AROUND. THERE WOULD ALSO BE A GUIDE WITHIN THIS FOR PUBLIC ART, FOR THE DEVELOPERS. AND SO, AS THE CITY ATTORNEY WILL, I BELIEVE, WILL SPEAK ABOUT THERE ARE RULES AS IT RELATES TO WHO OWNS TH ART AND WHAT CHALLENGES THERE MAY BE ASSOCIATED WITH HAVING PUBLIC ART WITHIN YOUR DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN BEYOND THAT, SIMILAR TO YOUR QUESTION, COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMS IS CONNECTING THESE DEVELOPERS WITH ARTISTS AND TO THAT DEGREE, LOCAL ARTISTS TO HAVE THEM PARTNER WITH THEM ON THESE PROJECTS AND THEN WOULD ALSO HIGHLIGHT RECENT SUCCESSES THAT WE'VE HAD WITH ART AND LETTING THEM KNOW THAT GARLAND IS AN ART FRIENDLY COMMUNITY AND THAT ART CAN CAN THRIVE HERE. AND SO WITH THIS, PROPOSAL OF JUST UNDER 35,000 WOULD BE CREATING A WEBSITE THAT WOULD BE MANAGED BY THE GARLAND CULTURAL ART COMMISSION, AS WELL AS, VARIOUS SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS. MAGAZINE

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THE SLIDES, YEAH, I HAVE A COUPLE SLIDES, I'VE BEEN TASKED WITH TALKING ABOUT MURALS AND AMENDING OUR CURRENT GDC PROVISIONS AS THEY RELATE TO MURALS. WHAT WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU THAT PROVIDED BEFORE THE MEETING IS A COPY OF THE TOP HALF. THE TOP PORTION OF THE FIRST PAGE IS WHAT OUR CURRENT PROVISIONS SAY. WHICH YOU CAN SEE. THEY SAY VERY LITTLE. AND THAT WAS ACTUALLY A CONSCIOUS DECISION BY THE COUNCIL AT THE TIME TO, NOT HAVE A HEAVY HAND IN REGULATING MURALS BECAUSE, AS YOU KNOW, THEY ARE CONSIDERED, ART DISPLAYS AND WE'RE SOMEWHAT LIMITED IN HOW WE CAN REGULATE ART DISPLAYS, ESPECIALLY THE ORIGINAL ART DISPLAY. SO, SO AS I'M, AS I'M SPEAKING TONIGHT, YOU CAN YOU CAN REFER TO THIS, BUT I'LL ALSO HAVE SOME SLIDES THAT KIND OF REPEAT SOME OF THIS INFORMATION, BEFORE WE GET STARTED ON SOME GARLAND SPECIFIC. WELL, ACTUALLY, WE'LL GET STARTED. THIS IS WHAT THE CURRENT ONE SAYS, AND Y'ALL HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF YOU, SO FEEL FREE TO REFER TO THAT AS WE GO THROUGH THESE SLIDES, REALLY QUICKLY TONIGHT, BUT THERE ARE ALSO SOME ISSUES THAT, THAT EVERY CITY IN THE COUNTRY RUNS INTO WHEN THEY ATTEMPT TO REGULATE MURALS AND PUT LOCAL REGULATIONS ON THEM. AND THE MOST OBVIOUS OF THOSE IS, OF COURSE, THE FIRST AMENDMENT ISSUES. AND THAT'S WHEN WE ATTEMPT TO REGULATE THE CONTENT ON THESE ORIGINAL ART DISPLAYS, THESE MURALS. AND IT'S PRETTY CLEAR THAT WE'RE OUT OF THE CONTENT BUSINESS. WE DON'T REGULATE CONTENT, AND THAT CAN BE DIFFICULT FOR COMMUNITIES AND ESPECIALLY COMMUNITIES LIKE GARLAND, THAT ARE MORE ON THE CONSERVATIVE SIDE. AND HOW OFTENTIMES ARTWORK CAN BE QUITE EXPRESSIVE. AND OF COURSE, BEAUTY IS IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER, AND EVEN ARTWORK IS IN WHAT ONE CONSIDERS. ART IS ALSO SOMETIMES IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER. AND SO THAT'S THE MOST OBVIOUS ISSUE THAT'S RELATED WITH REGULATING MURALS. AND AS WE GO THROUGH WHAT WE MIGHT LIKE TO DO, WE NEED TO KEEP THAT IN MIND. BUT IT IS STILL CLEAR THAT WE DO HAVE SOME SAY. AND WHAT THE COURTS HAVE TOLD US, WHAT THE SUPREME COURT HAS TOLD US IS THAT WE CAN STILL DO REASONABLE TIME, PLACE AND MANNER RESTRICTIONS AND SOME EXAMPLES OF THAT IS LIGHTING, LOCATION ON BUILDINGS AND PROPERTIES. THE NUMBER, THE SIZE, THE HEIGHT, AND THOSE TYPE OF REGULATIONS.

THE SUPREME COURT HAS GIVEN US A THUMBS UP ON YOU CAN DO THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, BUT YOU JUST NEED TO STAY OUT OF THE CONTENT, THAT THERE ARE SOME DIFFICULTIES. AND AS YOU CAN SEE ON OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE, IF YOU LOOK AT, SUBSECTION C IN OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE, IT TALKS ABOUT HOW THE PAINT IS TO BE APPLIED AND IT'S BE APPLIED BY PROFESSIONAL AND EXPERIENCED MURAL PAINTING ARTIST. THAT'S PROBABLY NOT ENFORCEABLE. IN FACT, I WOULD SAY THAT'S NOT ENFORCEABLE. SO YOU'LL SEE, AS I RECOMMEND OUR CHANGES, I'M GOING TO REMOVE THAT OUT OF THERE AND RECOMMEND THAT PROVISION BE CHANGED. AND YOU'LL SEE BELOW MY RECOMMENDATION ON THAT. AND WE'LL DISCUSS THAT HERE IN A FEW MINUTES, AND ALSO IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT THING WHEN IT COMES TO BOTH SIGNS AND MURALS, WHAT THE COURTS HAVE TAUGHT US IS THAT DEFINITIONS COUNT. IN FACT, OFTENTIMES THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING. AND I'M GOING TO RECOMMEND THE DEFINITION TO YOU ALL TONIGHT. THAT'S, SOMEWHAT RISKY, BUT I THINK IT'S DEFENSIBLE. AND WE'LL, I'LL DISCUSS THOSE RISKS WITH YOU. BUT THERE WAS A PURPOSE BEHIND IT. AND THERE WAS A AND THAT PURPOSE WAS REALLY ME TRYING TO COME UP WITH A CREATIVE IDEA ON HOW WE COMBINE MURALS WITH MORE COMMERCIAL SPEECH THAN WHAT'S GENERALLY ALLOWED AND WHAT THE COURTS GENERALLY HAVE LOOKED AT. BUT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT HERE IN THE NEXT FEW MINUTES, AS WE MOVE ON, I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE HEARD ME TALK ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR CASE A HUNDRED TIMES. IF YOU'VE BEEN ON COUNTY COUNCIL THE LAST SIX YEARS. I TALK ABOUT REED VERSUS THE TOWN OF GILBERT. IT IS THE CASE THAT MADE US COMPLETELY CHANGE OUR SIGN ORDINANCE IN 2015.

ACTUALLY, I THINK WE ACTUALLY GOT TO IT IN 2016. BUT THAT WAS THE CASE THAT CHANGED ORDINANCES AROUND THE COUNTRY. AND BASICALLY, IT'S THE CLASSIC CASE OF BAD FACTS. MAKE BAD LAWS. AND SO THERE'S THIS LITTLE TOWN IN ARIZONA CALLED THE TOWN OF GILBERT, WHERE THEY HAD THIS CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, DIRECTOR OF CODE, WHO WAS GOING OUT AND WRITING A CHURCH

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AND MOST CITIES, MOST CITIES IGNORED HIS CONCURRING OPINION AND WENT AHEAD AND CHANGED THEIR ORDINANCE TO GET RID OF ALL THOSE DISTINCTIONS. BUT A FEW, LIKE THE CITY OF AUSTIN, DIDN'T CHANGE THEIRS, AND THEY KEPT THEIR ON PREMISE VERSUS OFF PREMISE, DISTINCTIONON. AND TH GOT SUED OVER IT AND THEY GOT SUED. AND IN 2017, A, A BIG ADVERTISING FIRM CAME IN, WANTED TO PUT A DIGITAL BILLBOARD UP IN THEIR CITY. AND AUSTIN SAID, NO, THEY DENIED THE PERMIT. THE CASE MADE IT THROUGH ITS WAY THROUGH THE COURTS. AND FINALLY, THE SUPREME COURT LOOKED AT IT AND IT FINALLY HELD THAT AN ON PREMISE VERSUS OFF PREMISE DISTINCTION WAS PERMISSIBLE. SO NOW THAT BECAME THE RULE OF LAW. SO WHAT WE KNOW NOW IS THAT WE CAN DISTINGUISH BETWEEN ON PREMISE AND OFF PREMISE. OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE, WE CHANGED, AS YOU RECALL, IN 2016, TO GET RID OF THAT DISTINCTION. WE'VE NEVER GONE BACK AND PUT THAT DISTINCTION BACK IN, AND THERE'S A GOOD PRACTICAL REASON FOR THAT, ALTHOUGH WE CERTAINLY COULD. AND IF THE COUNCIL WANTED TO, WE COULD PUT THAT DISTINCTION BACK IN. BUT THE TRUTH IS, THE WAY WE'VE DONE OUR ORDINANCE NOW, WE DON'T EVEN HAVE TO MAKE THAT MAKE THAT DISTINCTION. AND IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO ADVERTISE OFF PREMISE, THEY'LL HAVE TO DO IT ON A VALID ON PREMISE SIGN. AND AT THE TIME, THE GENERAL CONSENSUS WITH COUNCIL WAS, YOU KNOW, WHY DO WE CARE WHAT THEY'RE ADVERTISING AS LONG AS THEIR SIGN MEETS THE TIME, PLACE, MANNER, SIZE, SHAP, LOCATION, PROVISIONS OF THE ORDINANCE. SO THAT WAS THE IDEA, BUT IT'S ALWAYS AN OPTION IN THE FUTURE. IF WE WANTED TO DO THAT, NOW IN THAT OPINION, SCOTUS CLARIFIED THAT REED STOOD FOR A MUCH NARROWER VIEW THAT REGULATION OF SPEECH IS FACIALLY CONTENT BASED IF IT APPLIES TO A PARTICULAR SPEECH BECAUSE OF THE TOPIC DISCUSSED OR THE IDEA OR MESSAGE EXPRESSED, THAT IS, WHEN IT SINGLES OUT SPECIFIC SUBJECT MATTER FOR DIFFERENTIAL TREATMENT. SO BASICALLY WE CAN LOOK AT SIGNS AS LONG AS WE'RE NOT SPECIFICALLY SINGLING OUT SOME SUBJECT MATTER FOR DIFFERENTIAL TREATMENT. SO UNDER THESE CASES MATTER TO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. WELL THEY GIVE US SOME GUIDELINES AND SOME RULES THAT WE NEED TO STAY WITHIN AS WE TALK ABOUT SIGN AND MURAL REGULATIONS, OF COURSE IT'S NOT DIRECTLY ON POINT BECAUSE THE CASE, THE SUPREME COURT AND THIS IS THE RISKY PART FOR WHAT I'M GOING TO PROPOSE TONIGHT. THE SUPREME COURT NEVER SAID THAT THAT THAT THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN NONCOMMERCIAL VERSUS COMMERCIAL SPEECH IS ONE OF THE EXCEPTIONS OF, OF THE TOWN OF REED OR THE REED OF THE REED RULE AND SO ALTHOUGH THEY HAVE GONE THE CASES HAVE WORKED THEMSELVES THROUGH TO SAY THAT, OKAY, YOU CAN DO ON PREMISE OFF PREMISE, THEY HAVEN'T ADDRESSED THE COMMERCIAL VERSUS NONCOMMERCIAL GENERAL CONSENSUS IN THE LEGAL FIELD. IF IT EVER MAKES IT TO THE SUPREME COURT, WHICH IT'S NOT SURE, WE'RE NOT SURE IT EVER WILL, THAT THEY WILL ALSO ADD THAT TO THE EXCEPTION, THAT THAT'S THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY'LL, ACCEPT JUST BECAUSE OF THE ALITO CONCURRING OPINION AND THE FACT IT JUST APPEARS, THAT'S THE DIRECTION OTHER CIRCUITS HAVE DONE HAVE GONE IN DEALING WITH THE COMMERCIAL VERSUS

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BUT ALSO IF WE WERE SUED, I THINK IT'S LOW THAT WE WOULD LOSE. BUT THERE IS THAT RISK THERE, BUT AGAIN, THE ORDINANCE I'M ABOUT TO PRESENT IS A THEORY, AND IT CARRIES WITH IT THOSE RISKS. OKAY. SO HOW CAN WE ENCOURAGE MURALS AND STILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO REGULATE SIGNS? OKAY. THIS COMES FROM FROM A REAL LIFE CASE IN GARLAND WHERE WE HAD A PROPERTY OWNER IN DOWNTOWN AREA MOVED IN A BUSINESS OWNER, AND HE WANTED TO PUT A SIGN ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING THAT HE WAS, WAING TO BOTH HAVE A BEAUTIFUL MURAL THAT ALSO HAD SOME COMMERCIAL ELEMENTS IN IT, COMMERCIAL SPEECH ELEMENTS IN IT. AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, GENERALLY SPEAKING, HOW THE COURTS LOOK AT THAT IS IF THEY SEE COMMERCIAL SPEECH INSIDE A MURAL, THEY CONSIDER THAT A SIGN. AND THAT'S BECAUSE, DEFINITION, MOST CITIES, ALMOST EVERY CITY THAT I FOUND, THAT'S PART OF THEIR DEFINITION, WHERE THEY DRAW A CLEAR DISTINCTION BETWEEN AN ARTISTIC EXPRESSION AND COMMERCIAL SPEECH. I HAVEN'T FOUND ANOTHER CITY IN, ORDINANCE OUT THERE, LIKE THE ONE I'M PROPOSING, WHERE WE'RE COMBINING IT BY LIMITING THE AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL SPEECH. BUT AT THE SAME TIME ALLOWING FOR SOME ARTISTIC EXPRESSION, INCORPORATING THAT INTO A MURAL.

SO IT'S A UNIQUE IDEA. AND SO THE ISSUES TO CONSIDER IN DEFINING THE MURAL, AND YOU CAN SEE ON THE MIDDLE OF YOUR FIRST PAGE THAT I HANDED YOU ALL, YOU'LL SEE THE DEFINITION THERE IN SUBSECTION M, IT YOU NEEDED TO FIND WHAT COMMERCIAL SPEECH IS. YOU NEED TO CONSIDER SHOULD MURALS BE FREE FROM ALL COMMERCIAL SPEECH? THE DEFINITION I PROPOSED THAT DOES NOT. AND IS THERE A WAY TO ALLOW SOME COMMERCIAL SPEECH WHILE MAINTAINING A MURALS PRIMARY CHARACTER IS ARTISTIC EXPRESSION, AND I THINK SO, BUT IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE RISKY. SO THERE'S THE DEFINITION THAT I PROPOSE. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THESE NUMBERS CAN BE PLAYED WITH. I MEAN, I THINK THE COMMITTEE DID A GREAT JOB. IN DISCUSSING WHAT PERCENTAGE AND HOW ONE OF THE CONCERNS THEY HAVE AND SO HOW I DIVIDED IT AND THIS WAS MY INITIAL JUST, SUGGESTION. IS THAT NO MORE THAN 30% OF THE TOTAL SURFACE AREA MAY BE USED AS COMMERCIAL SPEECH, AND SO 70% OF IT HAS TO BE ARTISTIC EXPRESSION NO MORE THAN 30% CAN BE COMMERCIAL SPEECH, AND TO QUALIFY AS MURAL UNDER THIS SECTION, NO INDIVIDUAL COMMERCIAL SPEECH ELEMENT MAY BE LARGER THAN 10% OF THE TOTAL SURFACE AREA OF A MURAL THAT WAS JUST ADDED. SINCE THE COMMITTEE, BECAUSE OF A RECOMMENDATION FROM COUNCILMAN HEDRICK, WHO POINTED OUT THAT YOU DO REALIZE IF YOU ALLOW AN ENTIRE WALL TO BE A MURAL AREA, THAT ONE THIRD OF THAT, THE ENTIRE ONE THIRD OF THAT COULD BE A SIGN, AND THERE'S REALLY NOTHING YOU COULD DO ABOUT THAT.

AND THAT WAS A GREAT POINT. AND SO WHAT I DID THERE WAS SAYING, OKAY, IF YOU'RE GOING TO USE COMMERCIAL SPEECH IN A MURAL, IF IT'S A SIGN, THAT'S FINE. BUT IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT A MURAL, THEN IT ONLY ONLY IF EVERY SINGLE ELEMENT YOU HAVE CAN'T BE LARGER THAN 10% OF THAT COMMERCIAL SPEECH. I THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD ADDITION AND A GOOD SUGGESTION. AND HERE'S SOME OF THE EXAMPLE. ORDINANCE LANGUAGE THAT YOU HAVE, BOTH IN THE PAPER IN FRONT OF YOU, AND ALSO ON THE SCREEN BEHIND ME. AND YOU'LL SEE IN THERE A COUPLE OF PLACES WHERE WE HAVE BLANKS.

AND THESE ARE POLICY DECISIONS. AND, AND THERE ARE SOME BENEFITS AND THERE'S SOME RISK ASSOCIATED WITH THE POLICY DECISIONS. AND I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT. THE FIRST ONE IS, A PERMIT IS NOT REQUIRED FOR ANY ORIGINAL ART DISPLAY, THERE'S A REASON FOR THAT BECAUSE IF WE'RE SAYING IT'S ART AND A MURAL AND IT'S NOT COMMERCIAL SPEECH, THEN THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE TO COME TO THE GOVERNMENT TO ASK PERMISSION IF IT MEETS THE DEFINITION OF A MURAL, AND IT'S ARGUABLY NOT ONLY THEY SHOULDN'T DO THAT, WE SHOULD WE MAY NOT REQUIRE THAT FROM THEM, THAT'S THE LEGAL ARGUMENT THERE OF COURSE, THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT THIS IS THIS DOESN'T CHANGE IN THIS PROPOSED ORDINANCE. YOU CAN'T EXTEND HIGHER THAN THE HEIGHT OF A WALL SURFACE. AND SO YOU CAN'T BUILD UP ON TOP OF THE WALL TO MAKE SURE THAT THE MURAL IS BIGGER LOCATION. THIS LITTLE THIS LITTLE STICK HERE. AND THIS IS SOMETHING Y'ALL ARE GOING TO NEED TO DISCUSS, IS, THEY'RE EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED IN ALL RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH ACROSS EVERY CITY IN THE COUNTRY, THAT'S TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM PAINTING MURALS ON THE OUTSIDE OF THEIR HOUSES. AND THE EXTERIOR OF THEIR HOUSES, OR ON THE SIDE OF APARTMENT COMPLEXES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

SO THAT'S A VERY COMMON RESTRICTION. AND THEN, AS YOU CAN SEE, I SAID, MURALS ARE ALLOWED BY RIGHT IN BLANK. NOW THE QUESTION TO DEBATE IS SOME ON THE COUNCIL, MAY WANT THE MURALS TO BE ALLOWED ERYWHERE IN THE CITY. AND THERE ARE SOME GOOD ARGUMENTS FOR THAT. BUT

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AND IF YOU'RE WONDERING, IS THAT SUBJECTIVE IN SOME WAYS, YES. AND DETERMINING WHAT'S COMMERCIAL SPEECH AND WHAT'S NOT. IT'S SUBJECTIVE, BUT IT'S SUBJECTIVE RIGHT NOW AS WELL AS THEY AS THEY DO THAT NOW. AND IT'S SUBJECTIVE EVERYWHERE. THERE'S NO REALLY GOOD WAY TO TAKE THAT SUBJECTIVITY OUT OF IT. AND THAT'S ALSO A RISK OF COMBINING THESE TWO THINGS. AND THEN ALSO TO DETERMINE THE SIZE, IT GIVES A FORMULA ON HOW YOU WOULD DO THAT. AND I WON'T WALK YOU THROUGH THAT FORMULA. IT'S MATH. AND I'M NOT MATT, SO I'M NOT REALLY THE PERSON TO WALK YOU THROUGH THAT. BUT THERE'S A FORMULA ON HOW TO DO THAT AND HOW BIG THAT THAT COPY THAT TEXT

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DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM MOORE, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE ORDINANCES WHERE IT SEEMS LIKE IT REALLY DOES LIMIT WHAT WE ARE ABLE TO DO BASED ON YOUR ON MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT YOU JUST STATED AS IT RELATED TO, PROVOCATIVE PRESENTATIONS IN THE WAY OF CONTENT, THEN WE ARE NOT ABLE TO REGULATE A MURAL THAT MAY DEPICT, SEXUAL CONTENT, CONTENT, AS LONG AS THE ARTIST FEELS THAT IT IS ART OR ARTISTR, EVEN THE LANGUAGE, EVEN THE CONTENT OF THE LANGUAGE, WE COULD NOT REGULATE ANY OF THAT AS IT RELATES TO, AS YOU STATED, BEAUTY BEING IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? I'M SAYING WITH THE LANGUAGE IN PARTICULAR, IT IS VERY UNLIKELY WE'LL BE ABLE TO REGULATE LANGUAGE. THE LETTERS AND THE WORDS THAT ARE SPELLED OUT ON ANY MURAL. AND WE CAN'T DO THAT NOW. NEVER HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT. BUT THE MURAL ITSELF, BECAUSE THERE'S WHERE I'M THINKING YOU COULD GET YOU CAN CROSS OVER NOW, THE COURT, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S HEARD THE FAMOUS AND I DON'T REMEMBER WHICH JUSTICE, WHICH JUSTICE IT WAS. BUT IN THE 90S, THE SUPREME COURT LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, TRYING TOEFINE WHAT IS. AND ONE OF THE JUSTICES FAMOUSLY, FAMOUSLY SAID, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DEFINE IT, BUT I KNOW IT WHEN I SEE IT. RIGHT. AND SO, YES, THERE IS A TIME WHERE IT GETS SO EXTREME TO WHERE IT SHOCKS THE CONSCIENCE OF THE COMMUNITY. RIGHT? AND COMMUNITY STANDARDS TO WHERE YOU CAN SAY THAT'S. NO, YOU CANNOT PUT THAT ON THE SIDE OF YOUR BUILDING. BUT I CAN TELL YOU, NUDITY IN GENERAL, IN THE ARTISTIC WORLD, IT'S NOT SEEN AS RIGHT. THE HUMAN BODY IS A FORM OF ART, AND IT'S NOT VIEWED AS.

SO IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO A TO, PAINT A PICTURE OF A NUDE FEMALE AND A NUDE MALE NOT NECESSARILY ENGAGING IN SEXUAL ACTS, BUT POSING OR I DON'T KNOW, I'M NOT AN ARTIST DOING WHATEVER. NAKED ART PEOPLE DO. THEN THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT. SO HERE WE ARE, BACK WITH THE STAR WARS TYPE SITUATION THAT IN FACT, WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO REGULATE IT DEPENDING ON. WELL, WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO REGULATE IT. THE BOTTOM LINE IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YEAH SO HOW DO YOU PROPOSE. WELL, YOU CAN'T REGULATE IT. SO THERE'S NO WAY TO PROPOSE IT. WELL THAT'S YEAH, I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT THE ORDINANCE DOES NOT PUT ANY REGULATIONS IN THERE THAT SUGGEST THAT WE ARE GOING TO REGULATE THAT, OR THAT WE SHOULD REGULATE THAT. IT'S NOT ADDRESSED IN THIS ORDINANCE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. VERY GOOD. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? COUNCIL MEMBER HEDRICK THANK YOU. MAYOR. JUST ONE COMMENT ABOUT THE NUMBER. I THINK WE JUST ELIMINATE THAT PORTION COMPLETELY. I MEAN, THERE WAS ISSUES WITH MULTIPLE TENANTS IN A LONG BUILDING. IF EACH OF THE TENANTS WANTED TO HAVE THEIR OWN MURAL OR WHATEVER IN FRONT OF THEIR OWN PROPERTY, IT WOULD RESTRICT THAT THERE. BUT, MR. ENGLAND, I DO APPRECIATE ADDING THAT 10% FOR THE TO BREAK UP THE COMMERCIAL ELEMENTS, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO DO IT. SO THEN YOU HAVE YOU CAN ARTISTICALLY IMPLEMENT SMALLER PIECES INTO IT AND NOT HAVE JUST A BIG LIKE YOU SAID, STRIP AT THE TOP OR ADVERTISING A BUILDING. AND THAT WOULD BE A COMMERCIAL ELEMENT, BUT REALLY IN EFFECT BE A SIGN MORE OR LESS FOR THE WHATEVER THEY'RE TRYING TO ADVERTISE. SO BUT, OTHER THAN THAT, YEAH, I THINK YOU DID A WONDERFUL JOB. THANK YOU. MAYOR.

VERY GOOD. YEAH. AND I MEAN, THE NUMBER OF I MEAN, YOU COULD HAVE JUST TO PICK A NUMBER, YOU COULD HAVE THREE INDIVIDUAL MURALS THAT MAY ALL WORK TOGETHER. MAYBE THEY DON'T. BUT IF, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD BE THREE DISTINCT PIECES, MAYBE DUE TO SOME ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENT OF THE BUILDING OR WHATEVER, THAT. YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK THAT GETS A LITTLE RESTRICTIVE AND COULD ACTUALLY END UP LIMITING WHAT YOU COULD DO. SO I YEAH, I AGREE WITH THAT ONE. BUT CAN I GET A CONSENSUS FROM THE COUNCIL ON THAT AS FAR AS, WHETHER Y'ALL WANT TO HAVE ANY LIMITATION ON THE NUMBER OF MURALS? HANG ON A SECOND, COUNCILOR WILLIAMS, I WAS OUT, BUT YOU ASKED THAT QUESTION, SO I GOT BACK IN, THANK YOU FOR THE BOTH OF YOU, FOR THE PRESENTATION. AND I AGREE WITH YOU. WHEN YOU, I KNEW WHATHE AUSTIN CASE, SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES. AND YOU SAID, MR. CITY ATTORNEY OFTEN, ARTISTS AND EYES OF THE BEHOLDER. SO YOU KNOW, I'M NOT AT LIBERTY TO PUT MY WHAT I THINK IS ART ON SOMEBODY ELSE. WE HAVE SOME FOLKS WHO LIKE TO DO THAT, BUT I'M NOT ONE OF THEM, I LIKE THE, COUNCILMAN SUGGESTION, BUT TAKE THE NUMBERS OUT. BUT LET ME ASK YOU A JUST AN EXAMPLE. I'VE SEEN SOME. YOU'VE GOT A BUILDING THAT'S WITH A LENGTHY FACADE.

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I LIKE I MEAN, I AGREE WITH I AGREE WITH YOU, ON THAT BECAUSE IF YOU TALK ABOUT DISTRICTS, THEN HOW DO YOU DETERMINE WHAT DISTRICT, IN WHICH DISTRICT, WHICH PART OF THE CITY. AND I THINK WE GET INTO ANOTHER WHOLE DIFFERENT GROUP OF DYNAMICS AND DISCUSSIONS TALKING ABOUT WHERE, WHERE ARE THESE DISTRICTS GOING TO BE. SO. RIGHT. SO I TOTALLY AGREE WITH WITH YOU. I JUST WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ON THAT DISCUSSION, BUT I AGREE TOTALLY WITH YOU ON THAT. ONE OF MY RECOMMENDATIONS WAS TO HAVE IT IN AN ARTS DISTRICT LIKE THE BANKHEAD ART DISTRICT AND OR THE TIFF ZONES, WHERE THERE IS A LOT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GOING ON. BUT LIKE I SAID, WE LEFT IT TO HAVE DISCUSSION HERE FOR THAT TO BE A JORITY RULE. THANK YOU. MAYOR. OKAY LET'S SEE, COUNCILMEMBER BASS, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER, BRIAN. SO, IN MY OPINION, TO MIMIC WHAT, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM LUKE SAID, I WOULD AGREE ON LOCATION. JUST LEAVING IT AS MURALS AND NON RESIDENTIAL. ANY NON RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND THEN, ONE THING WE CAN'T REGULATE IS WE CAN'T REGULATE PEOPLE'S POOR BUSINESS DECISIONS. SO I DON'T WANT TO EVEN GET AROUND REGULATING THAT. AS FAR AS DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION THOUGH UNDNDER PLACENT AND SETBACKS, THE FIRST LINE SAYS MURALS MAY ONLY BE PLACED ON THE VERTICAL FACE ONLY OF A BUILDING. I'M JUST CURIOUS WHY WHY, WHY THAT WOULD BE LIMITED TO VERTICAL, SO IF THERE'S AN EAVE OR AN OVERHANG, THEN THAT WOULD NOT ALLOW IT TO BE ON THAT SURFACE, EVEN THOUGH ARTISTICALLY THAT COULD LOOK REALLY NICE TO CONTINUE IT. AND MORE THAN JUST A VERTICAL SURFACE. SO I WAS CURIOUS, WHY THE WHY THAT VERBIAGE IS IN THERE? THAT'S IT'S BEEN IN THERE FOR AS LONG AS WE'VE BEEN REGULATING MURALS AND I CAN'T I'M HAVING TROUBLE PICTURING WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING OR YOU SUGGESTING THAT THE PAINTING GOES ON TO THE LACK OF A CEILING OF A OVERHANG OF A BUILDING. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? YEAH, A SOFFIT, IT'S ANYTHING. YEAH, IT'S AN AWNING. AWNING. YEAH. I DON'T I PERSONALLY YOU KNOW, THE LESS REGULATION WE HAVE, THE LESS GOVERNMENT WE HAVE THE HAPPIER I AM. AND IF WE CAN TAKE SOMETHING OUT OF THIS AND MAKE IT MORE OPEN FOR SOMEONE'S ARTISTIC EXPRESSION, THAT I'M ALL FOR THAT. SO I JUST DON'T KNOW. BUT AGAIN, IT'S IN HERE. SO I'M CURIOUS AS TO THE

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VERY GOOD. ALL RIGHT. SO LET'S BACK UP TO, TO NUMBER FOUR. MURAL MURALS MAY ONLY BE PLACED ON VERTICAL SURFACE. SO I MEAN GET I GET WHERE THAT'S HEADED IS BUT IS THERE SOME WAY TO SOME WAY TO INCORPORATE INTO THAT ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS OF THE BILL? YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THAT IS A YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S A FINE POINT. BUT IF THERE IS SOME DESIGN ELEMENT, STRUCTURAL ELEMENT, SOMETHING OF THE BUILDING THAT COULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THE MURAL, I DON'T KNOW, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE IF WE'RE GETTING IF WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE POINT TOO SHARP ON THAT OR NOT, BUT CERTAINLY I GET WHERE YOU'RE HEADED, COUNCILMEMBER HEDRICK IS THE POINT. JUST TO KEEP IT OFF THE ROOF. I MEAN, IT'S A SERIOUS QUESTION. LIKE VERTICAL VERSUS A HORIZONTAL. I MEAN, THERE'S SOME WAREHOUSES THAT HAVE THE COWBOY STAR PAINTED ON TOP OF IT. SO IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PREVENT, OR DOES THAT EVEN MATTER HERE? AND WHY WOULD WE.

YEAH WELL, UNLESS YOU'RE NOT A COWBOYS FAN, BUT. WELL, BECAUSE I WORK IN A FACILITY THAT HAS OUR CORPORATE LOGO RIGHT ON THE ROOF BECAUSE WE'RE IN THE FLIGHT PATH OF. YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT NEAR THE AIRPORT. YEAH. SO. BUT WHO CARES WHAT'S ON THE ROOF, FRANKLY, IS. YEAH, IT'S A GOOD POINT. I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S A GOOD POINT. THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I MEAN, WHY ARE WE WHY ARE WE RESTRICTING IT AT ALL TO THE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO NAIL DOWN A DEFINITION. I MEAN, IS IT JUST REMOVE IT ENTIRELY AND OR THEN DO WE RUN INTO AN ISSUE THERE ABOUT YOU CAN ONLY GO UP TO THE FRONT OF THE FACE OF THE WALL. CAN YOU ROLL UP THE SIDE NOW WHERE YOUR COMES AND YOU CAN INCORPORATE THE WHOLE BUILDING INTO A MURAL OR YOU KNOW, IT'S I, I THINK IT'S WONDERFUL JUST WITH THE I MEAN, JUST WITH THE DISCUSSION RIGHT HERE. I MEAN, YES, BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU CAN GET THE POINT TWO SHARP AND IT JUST IT SO, YOU KNOW, STRIKING THAT SENTENCE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, APPLIED USING PAINT OR MATERIALS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE, THE REST OF THAT IS WELL HERE'S ANOTHER THOUGHT. IF WE'RE LIMITING THE NUMBER OF MURALS, WE CAN ELIMINATE THE SURFACES. YOU COULD DO ONE MURAL ON TOP AND ONE MURAL ON THE SIDE. AND PAINT YOUR WHOLE BUILDING. IF YOU WANTED TO. BUT GO AHEAD. NO.

GO AHEAD. WELL THE, THE MURAL IN THE MEDICAL DISTRICT IS ON TWO SIDES OF THE BUILDING. THAT'S A WONDERFUL MURAL. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S COOL ABOUT IT IS THAT IT'S ON TWO SIDES, AND YOU CAN GO AROUND THE BUILDING AND STILL SEE IT FROM OTHER DIRECTIONS ON EITHER ROAD THAT YOU GO ON. RIGHT. NO, THAT'S A GOOD POINT. COUNCILOR DUTTON. I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT OTHER MATERIALS YOU'RE MAKING A MURAL WITH, ASIDE FROM PAINT? MAYBE SOMETHING THAT HASN'T BEEN.

YEAH, MAYBE SOMETHING WITH WITH PUFF PAINT THAT. SO PAINT. THAT'S ACTUALLY A REALLY GOOD QUESTION THAT THE COMMITTEE BROUGHT UP BECAUSE THEY, LIKE THE ORIGINAL DEFINITION, JUST

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MAYOR PRO TEM MOORE, I THINK YOU'RE GETTING READY TO SUMMARIZE WHAT I AM HOPING TO DO. THAT YES. GO AHEAD. ALRIGHT. ALL RIGHT, SO, ITEM NUMBER THREE, MURALS EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED IN ALL RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS. MURALS ARE ALLOWED BY RIGHT IN. AND I SEEM TO THINK THAT THE CONSENSUS IS ININ ALL DISTRICTS OTHER THAN RESIDENTIA. OKAY ITEM NUMBER FOUR, OF STRIKING THE MURALS MAY ONLY BE PLACED ON VERTICAL FACE ONLY OF A BUILDING. NOW, LET ME ASK THIS. SORRY. JUST FOR CLARIFY, WE WANT TO KEEP IT RESTRICTED TO BUILDINGS AND NOT LIKE, SCREENING WALLS. RIGHT. SO WE WANT WHEN WE SAY WE'RE GOING TO REMOVE THE VERTICAL FACE, BUT WE'RE GOING TO STILL SAY TO BUILDINGS, RIGHT. OR ARE WE OPENING IT UP TO SCREENING WALLS AND, SUCH AS THAT GO AROUND, TRASH CAN TRASH CANS, WE'RE ALREADY DOING THAT. ALREADY DO THAT. OH WE DO THAT. WE'RE ALREADY GOOD FOR US. WE HAVE MURALS ON BRIDGE EMBANKMENTS. I MEAN, WE HAVE I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT. OH NOT ON BUILDINGS. WE'RE NOT RESTRICTING IT TO BUILDINGS, THEN. NOPE SORRY. COUNCILOR HEDRICK. MAYOR, IN OUR DEFINITION OF MURAL, WE DEFINE IT AS APPLIED TO THE EXTERIOR FACING WALL SURFACE. A WALL, BY DEFINITION, WON'T BE A ROOF SURFACE EITHER. SO DO WE TAKE CARE OF THAT PROBLEM JUST BY OUR OH MURAL DEFINITION OR. IS THAT THAT'S FROM ITEM TWO OR NUMBER TWO. A MURAL MAY EXTEND NO HIGHER THAN THE HEIGHT OF A WALL SURFACE RIGHT? OH I WOULD ASSUME SO. ALL STATIC WORK OF ART THAT IS APPLIED DIRECTLY TO A BUILDING'S EXTERIOR WALL SURFACE MURAL MAY EXTEND NO HIGHER THAN THE HEIGHT OF THE WALL SURFACE.

NOW, I MEAN, I THINK. YEAH. RIGHT. YEAH OKAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? JUST CATCH UP WHEREVER YOU WANT TO. RESTATE YOUR POINT. ONE MORE TIME. JUST SO WE'RE ALL TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING HERE. SURE.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NUMBER TWO. WE CAN'T GO HIGHER THAN A WALL SURFACE OR A WALL. BY DEFINITION, IS A VERTICAL SURFACE. IT WON'T INCLUDE THE ROOF. SO THAT ELIMINATES THE ROOF. QUESTION WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. WE WANT TO KEEP THAT WALL. THEN IN THERE. I MEAN. WE NEED OR JUST HAVE THE BUILDING'S EXTERIOR SURFACE. SO THEN WE CAN APPLY IT TO. THE HORIZONTAL HORIZONTAL AND VERTICAL PITCHED ROOF. YOU GOT A PITCHED ROOF. I KNEW THIS WAS GOING TO END UP HERE. YEAH YEAH. THE MOST OR THE LEAST RESTRICTIVE THING WE COULD DO IS JUST STRIKE ALL OF THIS AND NOT HAVE A REGULATION ABOUT MURALS. BUT THAT'S I MEAN, YEAH, I MEAN, WELL, THAT YOU HE ACTUALLY BRINGS UP A GOOD POINT ABOUT THE PITCHED ROOF, IS COUNCIL COMFORTABLE WITH SOMEBODY PAINTING A MURAL ON A PITCHED ROOF, I MEAN, DO IT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, , THINKING ABOUT , WE'VE PAINTED A MURAL ON THE UNDERSIDE OF A ROOF, IN A PARK, IN A PAVILION. SO I THINK IF ANYTHING, I'M SORRY. NO. GO AHEAD, GO AHEAD. WE'RE THE WHEELS HAVE COME OFF AT THIS POINT. THE ONE REGULATION I AM ABSOLUTELY IN FAVOR OF IS THAT IT MUST BE APPLIED USING PAINT OR OTHER MATERIAL THAT WILL WEATHER WELL AND WILL GENERALLY REMAIN LEGIBLE IN ITS ORIGINAL APPEARANCE FOR AT LEAST FIVE YEARS FOLLOWING APPLICATION. THAT MEANS THAT WHOMEVER, WHATEVER IS GOING ON, WHATEVER IT'S GOING TO BE QUITE EXPENSIVE, IT IS NOT CHEAP TO PUT TO INSTALL SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO LAST FIVE YEARS IN TEXAS SUN. I MEAN, THAT'S A BIG DEAL. GO AHEAD. OKAY, MR. HESSER, YOU'VE YOU'VE ENTERED THE SEAT OVER THERE. YES, SIR.

SORRY TO DRILL THE POINT EVEN FINER, BUT ONE THING RELATED TO THE WALL THAT MIGHT BE WORTH DISTINGUISHING OR CONSIDERING IS SOMETIMES YOU MAY SEE THE WALL SURFACE BEING EXTENDED WITH, LIKE A CUTOUT, A SILHOUETTE THAT'S A CONTINUATION OF SOME TYPE OF GRAPHIC, JUST THAT BECOMES A STRUCTURE THAT THEN HAVE TO BE DESIGNED AND INSPECTED AND THAT KIND OF

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BUT IT BECOMES THIS EXTENSION THAT IS ENGINEERED AND DESIGNED AND BUILT. YOU SEE THESE SILHOUETTES AND CONTINUATIONS OF CHARACTERS OR WHATEVER PAST THE ROOFLINE OR THE WALL LINE THAT MAKES SENSE, RIGHT? OKAY YEAH. I MEAN, IT WOULD LOOK COOL. IT SUBJECT TO OTHER THERE MAY BE HEIGHTS, RESTRICTIONS, THERE MAY BE FIRE CODE RESTRICTIONS, PARAPETS COME TO MIND, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. I GUESS WE COULD BUILD THAT IN SOMEHOW BE. BECAUSE NOW IF SOMEBODY WAS ADDING SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OKA, WHATEVER IT IS, THERE WOULD BE THERE ARE EXISTING HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS IN PLACE. SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO THEY COULDN'T EXCEED THAT IF THEY DID, THEY'D HAVE TO ASK FOR A VARIANCE. THERE WOULD ALSO BE BUILDING CODE ELEMENTS TO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE OF CERTAIN MATERIALS STRUCTURE SUPPORTED, WHATEVER THAT WOULD COVER THAT POSSIBLY.

I MIGHT NEED TO ADD A PROVISION IN THERE THAT TALKED TO ADDRESSES. THE ISSUE IS IF IT'S SUCH A LARGE CUTOUT THAT IT BECOMES A STRUCTURAL ISSUE, THEN YOU WOULD PROBABLY NEED A BUILDING PERMIT TO BECAUSE YOU NEED AN ENGINEER TO LOOK AT IT, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S AN OVERHANGING, IF IT'S OVERHANGING A SIDEWALK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. RIGHT. BUTO TH POINT, IF IT DOESN'T EXCEED, IF IT DOESN'T EXCEED THE HEIGHT RESTRICTION, AND IF IT DOES PASS, WHATEVER PERMITTING IS INVOLVED, THEN PAINT AWAY. I MEAN, THAT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU THERE ARE ALREADY LIMITS OR REGULATIONS IN PLACE FOR WHATEVER THAT ELEMENT WOULD BE POSSIBLY. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE, I DON'T KNOW, I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK ADDING AN ELEMENT TO THE SIDE OF IT, BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO WELL, THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO IT NOW, NUMBER ONE. AND SO WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT WRITE IN. WE HAVEN'T HAD TO REGULATE THAT.

AND SO I GET HIS POINT. HE MAKES A FAIR POINT WHERE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HANG ENOUGH A GOOD EXAMPLE IS JIMMY WALLACE SIGN YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE HANG UPS ON THAT PARTICULAR SIGN WAS IT WAS SO LARGE THAT THERE WAS AN ENGINEERING ELEMENT TO IT. THEY HAD TO GO IN AND ACTUALLY HAVE AN ENGINEER TO LOOK AT IT. AND SO IF THAT'S THE IDEA THAT A MURAL COULD BE PAINTED WITH A CUT OUT SO LARGE THAT IT MIGHT NEED AN ENGINEER TO LOOK AT IT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S PROPERLY SUPPORTED AND HAS THE RIGHT STRUCTURE IN PLACE, THEN I CAN ADD LANGUAGE TO COVER THAT, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU ALL WANT TO ALLOW. I CAN FIX THAT. YEAH. I MEAN, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR THAT ONE CONTINGENCY WHERE THAT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO HAPPEN OR IF IT EVER HAPPENS, BUT TO HAVE IT IF, IF SOMEONE WANTED TO ADD SOME TYPE OF ELEMENT THAT WOULD EXTEND PAST THE EXISTING WALL SURFACE, THAT. YEAH, I MEAN, IT WOULD HAVE TO AGAIN, IT WOULD HAVE TO MEET THERE'S SOME OTHER CRITERIA THAT WOULD COME INTO PLAY THERE. RIGHT. OKAY SO. HANG ON HERE. MAYOR PRO TEM MOORE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. ARE WE STILL OF THE OPINION THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A SINGLE FACIAL WALL, OR TO DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM? COUNCILMAN, LET'S. SHE STATED THAT WE HAVE A BUILDING PRESENTLY THAT HAS TWO WALLS. SO ARE WE STILL OF THE OPINION THAT WE'RE JUST GOING TO BE DOING ONE WALL, OR ARE WE GOING TO BE DOING THE TOTAL BUILDING OR. WELL, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THERE YET. WE HAVEN'T. OKAY. BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE WE'RE GOING TOWARDS, A PAINT THE BUILDING IF YOU WANT TO DO A MURAL ON THE ENTIRE BUILDING, DO THE BUILILDING. THAT'S WHAT IT SEEMS LIKE. WE'RE GOING TO. SO. AND I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT. SO BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE HEADING IN THAT DIRECTION. WELL SOME, SOME SOME OUR WE MAY GET THERE, BUT. OKAY, NOT THIS PARTICULAR HOUR. ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT, I'M GOING TO CLEAR THAT OUT. COUNCIL MEMBER DUTTON. SO THE THOUGHT PROCESS OF ADDING, CUT OUTS OR WHATEVER, COULD WE NOT JUST HAVE VERBIAGE THAT WOULD STATE ANYTHING STRUCTURALLY ADDING IT'S NOW A SCULPTURE. IT'S NOT A MURAL.

LIKE I HEAR A MURAL AND I THINK YOU'VE PAINTED SOMETHING NOT ADDING, RIGHT. SO ANYTHING ATTACHED OR AFFIXED TO IT WOULD THEN BECOME A SCULPTURE, NOT A MURAL. AND THAT ELIMINATES THAT

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OTHER MATERIALS, ETC. AND THEN NUMBER FIVE WE ARE STRIKING ALTOGETHER. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE CONSENSUS. PLEASE DON'T MAKE ME GO THROUGH IT AGAIN. GOT IT ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND SO YOU WILL COME BACK TO US WITH THAT. WILL THAT COME BACK AS IT'LL COME BACK AS AN ORDINANCE ORDINANCE AND IT WILL BE A CONSENT ITEM BECAUSE WE HAVE OBVIOUSLY THOROUGHLY DISCUSSED THAT HERE, AND SHOULD NOT HAVE TO REVISIT THAT. WAS THAT ALL FROM THE COMMITTEE? YES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR HELP. ALL RIGHT. WELL, EXCELLENT WORK FROM THE COMMITTEE AND THE COUNCIL.

WE HAVE WE HAVE VENTURED DOWN THIS MURAL PATH BEFORE, AND IT ALWAYS ENDS UP RIGHT WHERE WE ARE TONIGHT, TRYING TO DEFINE OR NOT. I THINK WE WORK HARDER TRYING NOT TO DEFINE IT THAN WE DO TRYING TO DEFINE IT. AND SO THANK YOU ALL FOR THAT. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON, TO ANNOUNCE

[ ANNOUNCE FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS A Councilmember, with a second by another member or the Mayor alone, may ask that an item be placed on a future agenda of the City Council or of a committee of the City Council. No substantive discussion of that item will take place at this time.]

EXACTLY. THEY CAN DO THAT IF THEY WANT TO CONTINUE THE PRE-MEETING THEY CAN. BUT THE IMPORTANT THING IS SIMILAR TO WHAT HAPPENS BEFORE US SHOULD HAPPEN BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION. THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE FOR THE COMMITTEE TO REVIEW. YEAH I MR. ENGLAND AM I PLANNING COMMISSION ISN'T CURRENTLY HOLDING MEETINGS AT THE PUBLIC CANNOT ATTEND THE ISSUE THAT'S COME UP IN THE PAST IS THAT THEY'RE HOLDING A PRE MEETING TO WHICH, THE PUBLIC SOMETIME ISN'T

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SORRY. YEAH. I WOULD LIKE, OUR CITY STAFF MEMBERS, I BELIEVE IT'S EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AND PD, TO GIVE A OVERVIEW AND SLASH UPDATE ON GIZZARDS, SCHOOL SAFETY AND SECURITY COMMITTEE.

LIKE I MEAN, ARE, YOU KNOW. NO, BECAUSE SRO. SO YOU'RE. SO I'M JUST GOING TO GO OUT ON A LIMB HERE. SO YOU WOULD LIKE THE GISD SECURITY KNOW. SO GISD HAS THEIR OWN COMMITTEE. THAT IS THE SCHOOL AND SAFETY, BUT WE HAVE OUR OWN CITY STAFF MEMBERS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO BE AT THAT COMMITTEE MEETING. SO I WOULD LIKE OUR CITY STAFF TO JUST GIVE US AN OVERVIEW OF THE HAPPENINGS OF THAT COMMITTEE. OKAY THANK YOU. I WAS LIKE, WHICH COMMITTEE ARE WE OKAY, SO TO HAVE THOSE MEMBERS GIVE A GIVE AN UPDATE DURING A WORK SESSION. CORRECT. ALL RIGHT. AND DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM LUCK IS THE SECOND ON THAT. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE? ANY OTHER FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS? NO, THEN THAT MEANS AT 817, WE ARE ADJO

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