Sep 12, 2024 Bond Study Committee

I CHAIR OF THE BOND COMMITTEE.

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[ NOTICE OF MEETING CITY OF GARLAND, TEXAS BOND STUDY COMMITTEE Goldie Locke Community Room of the Charles E. Duckworht Utility Building 217 N. Fifth Street Garland, Texas September 12, 2024 at 6:00 p.m. A meeting of the Bond Study Committee of the City of Garland, Texas will be held Thursday, September 12, 2024 at 6:00 p.m. at 217 N. Fifth Street, in the Goldie Locke Community Room, Garland, Texas.]

UM, THIS IS SEPTEMBER 12TH, 2024.

UH, WE DO HAVE A QUO OF THE COMMITTEE TONIGHT, AND SO WE WILL, UH, GO WITH JUST PUBLIC NOTICE IN THE AGENDA SECTION OF THIS MEETING.

UH, BEGINNING WITH ITEM ONE FROM THE COMMENTS.

AND I'LL READ THE STATEMENT.

UH, PERSONS WHO DESIRE TO ADDRESS THE COMMITTEE ON ANY ITEM ON THE AGENDA ALLOW THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

TESTIMONY MAY BE HELD UNTIL THE ITEM CONSIDERED OR GIVEN AT THE BEGINNING OF ANY COMMITTEE.

COMMITTEE MEETING.

INVITED TESTIMONY MAY ALSO OCCUR AT ANY TIME SUBJECT TO A REQUEST OF THE MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE CHAIRPERSON.

SO, UM, DO WE, UH, DO WE HAVE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO, UH, MAKE PUBLIC COMMENTS WILL NOW, UH, ADDRESS? YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND, UH, SPEAK UP IF YOU WANT PUBLIC COMMENTS.

ANYONE AGAIN? ALRIGHT, I DO NOT SEE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS TONIGHT.

WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE MEDIA LOGISTICS.

UH, I WILL REMIND YOU, PAUL AND MYSELF, SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES.

AND THEN IF YOU COULD ALSO BE SURE AND SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE.

MICROPHONE NEEDS TO BE ABOUT A FOOT AWAY FROM YOUR FACE TO BE ABLE TO BE HEARD.

YOU'LL JUST SIGN THEM ON THE RECORDING SO PEOPLE ON THAT SIDE OF THE ROOM BE ABLE TO HEAR WHO'S TALKING, WHO MADE A MOTION, WHO SECOND IT, ET CETERA.

SO IF YOU PLEASE USE YOUR MICROPHONE, GREEN LIGHT MEANS IT'S ON.

YOU CAN TURN IT OFF WHEN YOU'RE DONE.

SPEAK.

UM, OKAY.

ON ITEM THREE, APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES, UH, YOU SHOULD HAVE A COPY OF THE MINUTES IN FRONT OF YOU.

AND, UH, LET'S TAKE MINUTE TO LOOK THOSE OVER.

ANYBODY.

HAVE THE CORRECTIONS TO THE MINUTES CHAIR MAKE A MOTION TO CONCLUDE? UH, DUCKWORTH MAKES A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES.

I HEAR A SECOND JIM CAMPBELL SECONDS.

ANY OBJECTION? NO OBJECTIONS.

THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY.

UM, ON TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR, ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION.

FIRST, WE WILL ADDRESS QUESTIONS FROM THE, UH, SEPTEMBER, UH, FIFTH, UM, UH, MEETING.

AND SO, UM, WE HAVE QUESTIONS FROM THE MEETING WE NEED TO ADDRESS.

YES, I, MR. UM, I THINK I, IF I REMEMBER, REMEMBER CORRECTLY LAST, LAST WEEK, SOMEBODY ASKED ABOUT HOW MANY VISITS AT THE VA CURRENTLY HAVE? I THINK RIGHT NOW 800 PEOPLE AT 800 VISIT A MONTH.

SO TOTAL ABOUT JUST, JUST SHY OF 10,000 PEOPLE VISIT THE, UH, VA GARLAND LOCATION.

ANOTHER QUESTION WAS THE, UH, OH, THE BOUTIQUE HOTEL ON 30.

WHAT IS THE PROPOSAL? HOW MANY ROOM KEYS? RIGHT NOW THEY ARE THE, ORIGINALLY THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT 120 ROOM KEYS.

BUT BECAUSE OF THE, UH, UH, PARKING ISSUE THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE PARKING CHALLENGE RIGHT NOW.

THEIR PLAN IS ABOUT 76 ROOMS PLUS, UH, THE , WHICH IS KIND OF SMALL.

UH, .

THERE WE GO.

THAT'S ABOUT, SO, UH, RIGHT NOW THEY HAVE A 45 OR 44 45, UH, VILLA, THEIR PROPOSAL.

OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ASKED LAST WEEK? THAT ADDRESS? NO.

OKAY.

ITEM FOUR B, UH, WE WILL, UH, PRIORITIZE THE POTENTIAL PROJECTS JUSTIFICATION CRITERIA.

SO, YEAH, WE'VE COVERED THIS BEFORE.

THAT'S JUST A REMINDER.

THERE WE GO.

SO REMINDER, WE'VE GOT THIS.

SO YOU WILL, I THINK WE'VE GOT AN AGENDA ITEM WHERE WE WILL DISCUSS THE CALENDAR, UH, UPCOMING.

WE CAN MAKE A COUPLE OF ADJUSTMENTS.

UH, BUT I THINK WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS, I THINK IT'S SEPTEMBER 26TH MEETING, BE AN OPPORTUNITY AS A REMINDER FOR IF ANYBODY WANTS TO POSE SOMETHING ON THE FLOOR THAT HAS NOT BEEN TALKED ABOUT SO FAR.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, TONIGHT WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH SOME MORE CATALYST AREAS.

THE IDEAS

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OR IF YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING THAT'S BRAND NEW, FRESH, YOU WANNA PRESENT TO THE GROUP, UM, THAT'S THE TIME TO DO IT.

WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE IS WE PREFER THAT THEY EASILY FIT INTO THESE CATEGORIES.

UM, BUT IF THEY DO NOT, THEN THEY WOULD NEED A MAJORITY VOTE OF THE GROUP TO MAKE THE LIST THAT WOULD ULTIMATELY GO TO COUNCIL.

SO, AGAIN, JUST KIND OF A REMINDER OF THESE ARE OUR, THESE ARE OUR GOAL HOSTS.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF IDEAS, A LOT OF THINGS, BUT BY THE TIME IT MAKES IT TO THE BALLOT LANGUAGE, WHAT WE'RE COMMUNICATING THERE IS GONNA GENERALLY BE QUITE BROAD, QUITE GENERAL.

AND YOU MIGHT HAVE A CAMPAIGN AND A WEBSITE THAT STARTS TALKING ABOUT MORE SPECIFIC THINGS.

AND THAT'S WHERE WE'LL BE ABLE TO KIND OF SELL THE PROJECT.

BUT I THINK IN HOWEVER MANY PALLET PROPS IT ENDS UP BEING, MIGHT NEED TO BE A COUPLE OF KEY FEATURES OR KEY PROJECTS THAT PEOPLE CAN IDENTIFY WITH.

FOR EXAMPLE, UH, ATTRACTING A HOSPITAL, IMPROVING CORRIDORS AND GATEWAYS.

AND THEN YOU MAY HAVE SEVERAL THINGS UNDERNEATH IT THAT YOU COULD USE AS EXAMPLES AND YOU WOULD ALSO POSSIBLY BUILD IN, UH, IN THE FUNDS TO, UH, ACQUIRE THE NECESSARY LAND AND INFRASTRUCTURE AND INCENTIVES OR WHATEVER.

THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

TIME COMES.

SO, ANY QUESTIONS SO FAR? WHAT'S NEXT? UH, SO I'M GONNA LET SOME OTHER FOLKS TALK MORE TONIGHT RATHER THAN ME, BUT I AM GONNA JUST KICK US OFF.

UM, YOU'LL SEE SOME MORE.

UM, I BELIEVE TONIGHT WE WRAP UP THE CATALYST SERIES.

IS THAT CORRECT? OR THERE MIGHT BE ONE MORE.

OKAY.

SO ONE MORE NEXT THING.

SO A LOT OF THESE THAT YOU'LL SEE TONIGHT, WE TRY TO BREAK 'EM UP IN MANAGEABLE CHUNKS.

A LOT OF THESE ARE SMALLER AREAS.

UM, DOWNTOWN IS PROBABLY ONE THAT YOU'LL BE THE MOST FAMILIAR WITH AND THERE'S A LOT OF REALLY NEAT OPPORTUNITIES IN THERE.

SOME OF THESE OTHERS HAVE BEEN CREATED, UH, IN CATALYST AREAS SOME TIME AGO.

AND THEY INVOLVED, WE HEARD KIND OF SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT OUR COMP PLAN, UH, JOINT MEETING WITH COUNCIL LAST NIGHT.

WE SHARE A LOT OF OUR CONCERNS ABOUT DILAPIDATED SHOPPING CENTERS.

SO YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF THAT IN SOME OF THESE IN DISCUSSION.

THOSE ARE A LITTLE, A LITTLE CHALLENGING.

UM, THEY'RE NOT AS FLASHY PROJECT, BUT THEY'RE VERY NECESSARY PROJECT.

UM, 'CAUSE WE'VE GOT PROPERTY THAT WE DON'T OWN AND WE MAY HAVE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT AREN'T VERY COOPERATIVE.

SO WE'VE GOTTA FIND WAYS TO GET THEM TO COOPERATE OR AT LEAST COME THE TABLES FOR, FOR SOMETHING.

SO WITH THAT IN MIND, I'LL TURN THIS OVER TO WHO'S UP FIRST.

THAT ONE WE HAVE FIRST.

ANOTHER REMINDER THAT'S, THAT'S THE, UH, THERE WE GO.

SO GO BACK ONE SLIDE.

THAT'S, THAT'S OUR TOTAL CALLOUS AREA, UM, MAP THAT WE'RE GONNA BE REFERENCING AT THE END.

THE NEXT ONE ON DECK IS WHICH ONE? THESE ARE THE FOUR AREAS WE'RE COVERING.

AND THAT IS THE SOLUTION WE PUT IN PLACE LAST WEEK TO THE FIELD TRIP REQUEST.

SO EACH WEEK OR AS WE MOVE FORWARD THROUGH THE REST OF OUR ITINERARY, YOU'LL HAVE THOSE LEGIBLE MAPS.

AND WHENEVER YOU ARE, UM, IN BETWEEN MEETINGS, YOU CAN DRIVE OUT TO EACH AREA FAMILIAR WITH IT FROM A ONE-ON-ONE PERSPECTIVE.

SO THOSE ARE THE FOUR WE'RE COVERING.

I HAVEN'T SEEN THE POWERPOINT YET, SO DON'T KNOW WHAT'S UP NEXT.

BUT YOU, BECKY, YOU GUYS SEEN THIS? WE DON'T HAVE TO COVER THAT AGAIN, BUT IT IS FOR REFERENCE COVERED THIS ABOUT HOW WE GET THERE ON THESE WHILE WE DO THESE.

YEP.

GOOD EVENING, BECKY KING.

AND I'M HERE TO SPEAK TONIGHT ABOUT THE REST OF THE, UH, FOREST JU WALNUT CATALYST AREA.

SO JUST AS A REMINDER, LAST WEEK YOU HEARD ABOUT THE MEDICAL DISTRICT PORTION OF THAT IN GOOD BIT OF DETAIL, BUT IT IS ONE OF THE KEY ASSETS IN THE FOREST JUPI WALNUT CATALYST AREA.

UM, ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE BIG ASSETS IS THE DARK LIGHT RAIL STATION AT FOREST AND JUPITER.

AND THEN, UM, A DIVERSE COMMUNITY IN THE AREA.

SO I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT THE OTHER PART OF THAT CATALYST AREA DIDN'T HEAR LAST TIME.

SO WE LIKE TO MAKE THINGS AS CONFUSING AS POSSIBLE.

SO, UM, THIS IS THE FOREST JUPITER WALNUT CATALYST AREA THAT'S ACTUALLY SPLIT BETWEEN, IT HAS TWO DIFFERENT TIPS THAT SERVE IT.

SO, UM, JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND.

I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT THIS RIGHT HERE MAINLY, AND A LITTLE BIT DOWN HERE.

SO, UNLIKE, UM, CATALYST AREAS YOU YOU'VE SEEN

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IT'S, IT'S IN THE WORKS.

UM, SO JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND.

I DON'T HAVE LIKE DOLLAR NUMBERS FOR THIS TONIGHT, BUT, UH, SOME SHORT TERM ACTIVITIES.

SO THIS IS A KIND OF AN ACTION PLAN FOR, UH, FOR JUPITER AND WALNUT JUPITER.

SO SHORT TERM ACTIVITIES, POSSIBLE NEAR TERM, UH, THINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA DO.

I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT.

I'LL TALK ABOUT THE LONG TERM ACTIVITIES, BUT LET'S JUST DIG INTO 'EM.

SO FOREST AND JUPITER, UH, THIS IS WHERE THE DART LIGHT RAIL STATION IS.

AND THEN OF COURSE THE NEXT STOP IS DOWNTOWN GARLAND STATION.

UM, SOME OF THE NEAR TERM ACTIVITIES, WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON CORRIDOR IMPROVEMENT, UH, OF SOURCE LINE.

SO THAT'S ACTUALLY ACTIVE RIGHT NOW.

WE'RE WORKING ON TRYING TO PUT THAT PROJECT PLAN TOGETHER AND, UH, HOPEFULLY BE FINALIZING A DESIGN AND PUTTING THAT OUT FOR, FOR BID OR FOR IMPLEMENTATION BEFORE THE END OF THE CALENDAR.

SO THERE'S SOME STUFF THAT'S ALREADY HAPPENING HERE.

UM, WHAT THE NEAR TERM ACTIVITIES YOU COULD EXPECT TO SEE, MEDIAN LANDSCAPING IMPROVEMENTS, GATEWAY IMPROVEMENT, FOREST LINES, A A MAJOR EN ENTRY INTO THE CITY IN GENERAL.

IT'S A MAJOR, MAJOR COMMUTER PATH, BUT IT'S ALSO A MAJOR ENTRANCE INTO DOWNTOWN VISITORS THAT ARE COMING TO DOWNTOWN AND OUT OF DALLAS.

UM, SO WE WANNA, YOU KNOW, IMPROVE THAT ENTRANCE, UH, POSSIBLE BRIDGE ENHANCEMENT WHERE, UH, FOREST TURNS INTO AVENUE CROSSES DUCK CREEK.

UH, SOME, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF IDEAS ABOUT PUBLIC ART TO KIND OF, UM, YOU KNOW, ENERGIZE AND MAYBE SOFTEN ALL THE INDUSTRIAL FEEL OF THE AREA.

UM, AND THEN ALSO SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND, I MENTIONED TIFF.

SO TIFF ONE INCLUDES THIS AREA FROM INTERNATIONAL TO JUPITER ON FOREST.

SO, UM, PROBABLY TIP ONE WILL BE CONTRIBUTING TO THOSE CURRENT EFFORTS.

SOME THINGS THAT ARE LONGER TERM THAT ARE MORE, UH, FOCUSED ON BONDS, UH, MIGHT BE IF WE GET INTO MAJOR INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS, UH, HARDSCAPE TYPE THINGS AS OPPOSED TO WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW IS GONNA BE LIKE LANDSCAPING REFRESH AND THINGS LIKE SIGNAGE AND HARD.

SO NOW WE'LL SHIFT UP TO WALNUT AND JUPYTER.

SO THANK YOU.

UHHUH.

, PREVIOUS SLIDE.

SO THE SOUTHEAST CORNER THERE.

WELL, UP AND JUPITER, MY FAVORITE LITTLE USED TIRE STORE AND, UH, KIND OF A BIG MD AREA NEXT TO THAT.

YES.

IS, IS THAT A TARGET TO, UM, FOR ACQUISITION BY US? REDEVELOP THAT CORNER.

SO CAN I PUSH THAT QUESTION TO THE LAST SLIDE? YOU MAY.

OKAY.

PLEASE CONTINUE.

WE'LL COME, WE'RE GONNA COME BACK TO, UM, THE LIGHT RAIL STATION, THEN MY WIFE KNOCKS THE TIRE OFF THE CAR THAT MORNING.

AND THAT'S WHAT I MAY, MAY PULL ONE OF MY, MY FRIENDS UP HERE.

OKAY, SO WALNUT AND JUPITER.

UH, SOME NEAR TERM ACTIVITIES THAT WE'RE LOOKING INTO IS ACTUALLY TO CREATE A SMALL AREA PLAN FOR THIS INTERSECTION.

THIS IS A HIGH PRIORITY FOR THE TIF ONE BOARD.

UM, AND SO THIS, WE DON'T HAVE THE EXACT BOUNDARIES OF THAT SMALL AREA PLAN LAID OUT YET, BUT ROUGHLY SPEAKING, IT'S, IT'S THE GENERAL AREA OF THESE FOUR CORNERS, UH, OF WALNUT JUPITER.

SO SOME OF THE THINGS THEY WOULD BE LOOKING AT AND THAT SMALL AREA PLAN ARE, YOU KNOW, ONE, ARE THERE ANY OPPORTUNITIES FOR REDEVELOPMENT, BUT A LOT OF IT WOULD ALSO BE FOCUSED ON REVITALIZATION OPPORTUNITIES AND PUBLIC AMENITIES.

UM, ONE OF THE BIG CHALLENGES WITH THIS AREA IS DRAIN.

AND I'LL SHOW YOU A MAP IN A IN A MINUTE.

UM, SOME OF YOU WHO ARE IN THE 2019 V MAY REMEMBER US TALKING ABOUT THAT.

MR. CHAIR, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.

CAN YOU GIVE US A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON TIP NUMBER ONE? UH, WHEN WAS IT ESTABLISHED AND HOW MUCH WAS ALREADY THERE IN THE KITTY FOR THAT SAME AREA? FOR THIS AREA, WE'RE GONNA NEED MATT WATSON FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

, UH, I THINK IT'S, IT'S ROUGHLY 20 YEARS OLD DOWN TO THE TIP ONE.

AND IT'S JUST BEEN EXTENDED ANOTHER TWO YEARS,

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CREATED IN 2004 WAS SAID TO EXPIRE THIS YEAR, AND WE EXTENDED IT ANOTHER 20 YEARS TO COMPLETE SOME OF THESE OTHER ITEMS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.

WE CHANGED THE BOUNDARIES TO INCLUDE A PORTION OF WALMART JUPITER UP THERE FOR 20 YEARS.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY KITTY FOR THAT AREA.

UH, EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THE KITTY FOR THAT AREA HAS BEEN SPENT FOR DOWNTOWN.

THE IMPROVEMENTS DOWNTOWN, THERE'S A, THEY PAID FOR A PORTION OF FACADE IN THE GARAGES THAT YOU SEE SO THAT IT, IT IS BEEN SPENT, BUT, UH, IT, IT GENERATES ABOUT $2 MILLION A YEAR FOR FUTURE INVESTMENTS.

, JUST TO, AS A FOLLOW UP TO YOUR ANSWER THOUGH, DOES THE DOWNTOWN AREA, ALL THE TIP NUMBER ONE, CORRECT? IT'S DOWNTOWN.

AND SO WHAT YOU WANT TO GO BACK.

SO THIS IS LITTLE GREEN, THIS IS DOWNTOWN SIT GREEN, RIGHT BETWEEN THE TWO, FOLLOW THE DART LINES TO THE FOREST JUPI AREA HERE.

SO THE REASON IT, THE REASON IT DOES THAT IS BECAUSE IT WAS DESIGNED AROUND TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT AND WE HAVE TWO PARTS STATIONS, ONE HERE AND ONE HERE.

AND SO THAT'S WHY THAT, THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT FOR WHY THEY'RE CONNECTED IS, UM, FOCUSING ON TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT.

YES, MA'AM.

OKAY.

SORRY LINDSEY, YOU WANT, UM, SORRY, I MISSED IT.

WHEN WAS THE JUPYTER FOREST AREA ADDED TO THAT? IT WAS ORIGINALLY THERE IN 2004, BUT YOU SEE IT, WHAT WE ADDED THIS YEAR IS THIS LITTLE COMPONENT HERE.

AND SO, OKAY, WELL THAT , UH, ORIGINALLY YEAH, IN THE ORIGINAL PLAN, ALL OF IT, BUT WE DID SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PARK, UH, MONTGOMERY PARK.

AND SO NOW THAT FOCUS IS SHIFTING TO THIS AREA.

SO, UM, AND, AND BEAR IN MIND THE, THE PURPOSE OF THE TIFFS IS TO KEEP PROJECT SPECIFIC GENERALLY, OR PROGRAM OR BOTH, BUT THEY TEND TO BE VERY TARGETED WHEN YOU WHEN YOU PICK A NEW TARGET.

AND REMEMBER LAST TIME I TALKED ABOUT TIFS LEAST HISTORICALLY INLAND, YOU'RE EITHER DOING A PAY AS YOU GO OR YOU HAD TO HAVE ONE BIG PROJECT.

SO TIP TWO IS THE ONE THAT'S ON, UH, I 30 CORRIDOR AND IT'S ONE BIG PROJECT IN ITS LIFE WAS THE FAST PRO DEVELOPMENT.

WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH THIS ONE, IT'S BEEN A LOT OF SMALL PROJECTS, SO PAY AS YOU GO.

SO IT'S GETTING THIS INCREMENT IN, WE'RE USING THAT FOR BOTH, LIKE ANDY SAID, BOTH PROGRAMS. SO SOME SERVICES, SOME ENHANCEMENTS, AND THEN ALSO TO HELP SUPPORT SOME OTHER LARGE PROJECTS LIKE THE DOWNTOWN SQUARE.

SO THE, UM, THE MEDIAN ENHANCEMENTS I TALKED ABOUT ON FOREST LANE ARE, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE TIFF BOUNDARIES ARE GONNA BE SUPPORTED WITH TIP BOX.

UH, UM, SO THAT'S PART OF WHERE THAT'S COMING IN.

BOB, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I'M JUST GONNA SHARE IT 'CAUSE I WAS ONE OF THE FIRST MEMBERS OF THE KIDS ONE BOARD AND THESE APARTMENTS WERE A PART OF THAT PROJECT.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT, AT THE CONCEPT, THAT PACKAGE ALLOWED THE DOWNTOWN AREA TO BECOME WHAT IT IS TODAY RATHER THAN THE FLOWER , I THINK, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, VICTOR, BUT THE AREA AROUND THE, UH, THE DARKNESS AREA IS KIND OF A HARD AREA.

IT'S GONNA BE A TOUGH AREA TO DO WHAT WE DID IN THIS DOWNTOWN AREA.

SO WE'RE SEEING A BIG BANG FOR OUR BUCK, AS MATT SAID, DOWNTOWN AREA PAY BACK, AND NOW IT'S GONNA ALLOW US TO GO OUT, I THINK TO THE FOREST TO JU AREA, DO SOME THINGS THAT PEOPLE BRING, RIGHT? THAT'S MY CORRECT YOU ANY QUESTIONS HERE BEFORE WE LET HER GO? MARISOL? ONE MORE.

MARISOL.

UM, SO JUST REMIND ME FOR THE TIP ON THE TIP, DO THE PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE TO AGREE TO PARTICIPATE? NO.

PROPERTY OWNERS ARE JUST, ARE PAYING THE SAME EXACT TAXES AS THEY WOULD IF IT DIDN'T EXIST.

THIS IS JUST A MECHANISM FOR THE CITY TO, TO PUT ALL OF THAT TOWARDS ONE DISTRICT.

YEAH, SO THE GENERAL IDEA OF A TIFF IS THAT YOU HAVE SOME CATALYST PROJECT THAT HELPS YOU GENERATE SOMETHING TO REINVEST AND TRY TO PULL THE REST OF THE AREA UP WITH IT.

AND SO I SUPPOSE YOU COULD THINK OF, YOU KNOW, WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE IN DOWNTOWN IS NOW CATALYZING

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UM, ONE WAY STREET GOES UP, ANYTHING COMING, I'M SORRY, A ONE WAY DIRECTION FOR 20 YEARS HAS BEEN GOING DOWNTOWN.

DOWNTOWN IS DRIVING VIABLE, ANY OF THAT GOING BACK TO ? WELL, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S WHY THE TIF WAS EXPANDED TO INCLUDE THIS AREA, YOU KNOW, SO IT WAS JUST EXPANDED THIS PAST YEAR TO INCLUDE THIS AREA.

UM, AND I, I SUSPECT THAT'S THE REASON FOR THAT.

SO, UH, TRYING TO BRING IT BACK TO BONDS.

UM, SO I'VE COVERED THAT.

LET'S GO BACK OVER HERE.

SO WALNUT, JUPITER, UH, THIS IS KING CREEK THAT RUNS THROUGH HERE.

I'M GONNA SHOW YOU A MAP IN A MINUTE, BUT ONE OF THE REASONS IT'S REALLY HARD TO DO THINGS OVER HERE IS BECAUSE OF DRAINAGE AND FLOODING.

UM, SO SOME THINGS WE WANT THAT SMALL AREA PLAN TO LOOK AT.

UM, A LOT OF IT HAS TO DO WITH THAT CREEK.

IN THE NEAR TERM THOUGH, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ARE PARKWAY IMPROVEMENTS.

WHAT CAN WE DO, YOU KNOW, IN THE CORRIDORS RIGHT THROUGH HERE.

SO, UM, ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER THERE'S SOME AREAS WHERE WE CAN ADD SOME TREES TO THE PARKWAY, MAYBE LOOK AT SOME POSSIBLE SIGNAGE IMPROVEMENTS TO KINDA CLEAN UP THE LOOK OF THIS SHOPPING CENTER ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER.

THEY, THAT SHOPPING CENTER HAS ACTUALLY, UM, HAD A LITTLE BIT OF INVESTMENT IN IT BY THE OWNER.

UM, BUT YOU HAVEN'T, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE IT, BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF GREEN, UH, IN THE PARKWAY HERE.

AND WE HAVE SOME HERE, BUT RIGHT HERE IT'S ALL CONCRETE.

AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, EITHER TO REMOVE SOME OF THAT CONCRETE AND EITHER REPLACE IT WITH, UM, SOME LANDSCAPING OR JUST AN IMPROVED HARD SURFACE THAT BREAKS UP THE, THE LOOK OF THAT ENTRANCE RIGHT THERE.

UH, RIGHT OF WAY ART, YOU'RE LOOKING AT OPPORTUNITIES, UH, EITHER THROUGH PAINTED MEDIANS OR, UM, ARTISTIC WRAPS OR BOTH THROUGH THIS AREA TO, UM, KINDA SPRUCE IT UP A LITTLE BIT.

CODE COMPLIANCE IS AN ISSUE, PARTICULARLY ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER.

WE'VE GOT A GOOD NUMBER OF ISSUES OVER HERE THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY RESEARCHING.

WHAT CAN WE DO THERE? UM, AND THEN THE WHOLE AREA, WE'RE GONNA ASSESS SECURITY AND LIGHTING.

SO THESE ARE ALL JUST NEAR TERM, LONGER TERM.

AND TYPICALLY THAT MEANS BIGGER DOLLAR INVESTMENT, UH, IS REALLY FOCUSING ON WHAT COMES OUTTA THAT SMALL AREA STUDY.

WHAT DOES IT SAY WE SHOULD BE DOING IN THIS AREA? UM, SO LOOKING ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER AT THIS SHOPPING CENTER, SOME THINGS THAT, THAT KIND OF COME OUT THE PARKING LOT CONFIGURATION, UM, PROBABLY SERVE THIS PROPERTY BETTER.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE ARE, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN TELL ON THIS MAP, BUT THERE'S JUST DUMPSTERS THAT SEEM JUST RANDOMLY PLACED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PARKING LOT.

IT DOES NOT LOOK GOOD YESTERDAY.

IT'S CRAZY.

YEAH.

UM, SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANNA DO IS, FIRST WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, WHERE ARE THE PROPERTY LINES? WHO OWNS EACH DUMPSTER? GIVE IT THE SANITATION DEPARTMENT.

HOW CAN WE, YOU KNOW, DO WE CHANGE THE CONFIGURATION OF THE PARKING LOT AND CREATE AN ENCLOSED DUMPSTER SPACE OR TWO, UM, TO CLEAN UP THE LOOK OF THAT, BUT ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE EVEN LOOK AT IS THERE AN AMENITY THAT COULD SERVE THIS SHOPPING CENTER CENTER BETTER THAN JUST ALL PARKING.

UM, SO THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS WE'D BE LOOKING AT THERE, BUT ALSO TALKING TO THAT PROPERTY OWNER ABOUT POTENTIALLY A FACADE IMPROVEMENT GRANT, UM, WORKING WITH THEM TO HELP CLEAN UP THAT WHOLE CORNER.

BUT WE'D ALSO BE LOOKING AT, ARE THERE REDEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES THERE TOO? SO ALL OF THAT WOULD BE PART OF THAT, UH, SMALL AREA PLAN.

AND, UH, LET'S GO DOWN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE IT, IT'S KIND OF HARD, BUT SEE THIS LOT BLUE RIGHT HERE? THAT'S ALL FLOOD FLOODPLAIN AND THEN ALL THIS RED HATCHING RIGHT HERE, THAT'S FLOODWAY.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT MAKES IT HARD FOR PROPERTIES TO JUSTIFY INVESTING A LOT IN THEMSELVES BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WELL, YOU'VE GOT INSURANCE ISSUES AND

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WHAT WOULD IT COST US TO TRY TO MITIGATE FLOODPLAIN TO RECLAIM SOME OF THIS LAND BACK OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN? BUT ALSO IF YOU'VE DRIVEN OVER THERE, THE VIEW FROM, YOU KNOW, WALNUT RIGHT THROUGH HERE, THIS DRAINAGE DITCH IS REALLY AN ISO.

UM, AND YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT, THIS, THESE ENTRANCES, YOU KNOW, ARE ALSO AN ISO.

AND SO THE OTHER THING THAT THE, THE HIGH GOAL WOULD BE, GOSH, WE CAN GO IN AND WE CAN FIX THE FLOODPLAIN PROBLEM.

WE DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL BE PRICED OUT OF THAT OR NOT , BUT THE BASIC GOAL IS WHAT, YOU KNOW, CAN WE JUST TURN THIS INTO AN AMENITY? UM, THIS AREA COULD USE THE GREEN SPACE, MAKE THAT PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY.

UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THE SMALL AREA PLAN WOULD LOOK AT IS WHAT CAN WE DO THERE.

UM, I THINK I COVERED, THERE'S A LOT OF, LIKE I SAID, THERE'S SOME CODE ISSUES HERE THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.

IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PARTNER WITH SOME PROPERTY OWNERS THERE TO CLEAN UP SOME OF WHAT'S THERE AND, UH, MAKE IT LOOK BAD? SO NOW WE'LL COME BACK TO, OH, MY QUESTION IS THE STRIPES THAT YOU CAN SEE BARELY, IS THAT THE CREEK OR WHERE ARE THE STRIPES? SO SO YOU EXPLAIN A FLOODWAY.

YEAH, SO THERE'S A DIFFERENCE.

SO YOU'VE HEARD FLOODPLAIN, BUT A FLOODPLAIN IS BASICALLY A HUNDRED YEAR FEMA, UH, UH, FEDERAL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT ADMINISTRATION, UH, DETERMINES WHERE THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD IS.

AND THERE'S ALL KINDS OF REASONS FOR IT.

INSURANCE, UH, BUILDABILITY, WE DON'T ALLOW BUILDING IN THE FLOODPLAIN ANYMORE.

UM, THERE, THERE WAS AN EVOLUTION IN MOST CITIES, AT LEAST IN NORTH TEXAS.

, THERE WAS A LOT OF TIMES THAT THERE, AND THEY USE DIFFERENT FORMULAS NOW.

THEY USED, IT'S, THERE'S A LOT OF HISTORY THERE, BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS, IN A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE WATER COME THIS FAR.

A FLOODWAY MEANS THAT THAT IS A DIFFERENT FLOOD INTERVAL.

BUT THE FLOODWAY MEANS THAT IS THE PRIMARY FLOW OF THE WATER.

IT MEANS IT'S, IT'S MOVING QUICKER, IT'S MORE WATER, IT'S FASTER WATER, IT'S MORE DANGEROUS WATER.

SO IT GENERALLY, WHEN YOU GET TO THE EXTENT OF THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I CALL SLACK WATER, BUT A FLOODWAY THAT'S TAKING STUFF OUT, I MEAN, IT, IT COULD ABSOLUTELY REMOVE THINGS FROM THE SURFACE.

SO IT'S A BIG DEAL TO GET THIS FIXED.

HER POINT THAT WHY WOULD I INVEST IN FIXING IT IF IT'S JUST GONNA FLOOD AND I CAN'T GET INSURANCE.

SO THIS IS, THIS IS A PRODUCT THAT PROBABLY MANY YEARS OF, OF DECISIONS THAT WERE MADE LONG BEFORE CERTAIN LAWS AND RULES WERE IN PLACE AND AS THINGS GET BUILT OUT, THESE FLOOD PLAINS GET ADJUSTED.

UM, BUT IT'S A, IT'S A PROBLEM.

IT'S PROBABLY WORTH NOTING.

THIS SITUATION CONTINUES DOWN WALNUT, YOU KNOW, SO AND ISN'T, WE'RE NOT A LOT OF CITIES HAVE IT'S CHALLENGE.

IT'S, SO A LOT OF THOSE APARTMENTS, THEY'RE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF WALNUT OR ALSO FLOOD PLAIN OR FLOODWAY.

UM, SO THAT'S PART OF, YOU KNOW, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE HERE THAT BENEFITS THAT TOO? JUST TO CLARIFY.

SO THE HUNDRED YEAR PLANE MEANS THAT ABOUT EVERY HUNDRED YEARS THAT AREA TO, OKAY.

SO YES AND NO.

IT'S A, BUT IN A NUTSHELL, YES, IT, IT IS A STATISTICAL INTERVAL THAT IT IS LIKELY TO GET THAT HIGH IN A HUNDRED YEARS OF POTENTIAL RAIN EVENTS, YOU TECHNICALLY HAVE TWO 50 YEAR EVENTS AND 200 YEAR EVENTS BACK TO BACK.

MATTER OF FACT, I THINK IN 2005, 2006, I REMEMBER A COUPLE BACK TO BACK, UM, YEARS AGO THAT WERE, THAT WERE 50 YEAR INTERVALS AND THEY WERE PRETTY GNARLY ENOUGH.

UM, SO THAT'S A BIG FLOOD.

THAT'S BIG PROBLEMS. THE HURRICANES THAT HIT HOUSTON, RIGHT, 200 YEAR EVENTS VERY CLOSE TO YEP, EXACTLY.

IS THAT DUCK CREEK, WHAT WE CALL DUCK CREEK.

THAT'S KING.

KING, KING CREEK E KING CREEK.

CAN WE JUST DIG THAT? SO UNFORTUNATELY THE DEPTH DOESN'T HELP YOU.

IT'S THE SURFACE AREA THAT YOU NEED, YOU NEED BOTH.

ACTUALLY IT'S, BUT WE ACTUALLY HAD A CONVERSATION WITH ENGINEERING TODAY.

THEY ARE STUDYING IT.

THERE'S, THERE'S LIMITS TO WHAT YOU DO BECAUSE IF YOU, LET'S SAY YOU BELLY THIS OUT AND TREAT AND TREAT IT LIKE A SMALL RIVER WALK OR SOMETHING, RIGHT? YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL 'CAUSE YOU COULD END UP HOLDING

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SO THERE'S A LOT OF MATH INVOLVED AND I DON'T DO MATH, BUT WHAT I DO KNOW IS, IS WE CAN MAKE THIS PRETTY, WHEN WE DO WHATEVER'S NECESSARY TO FIX THIS, WE CAN, WE CAN FIND WAYS, FOR EXAMPLE, THE SIDEWALK AND PARTS OF IT DON'T EXIST.

THERE IS NO SIDEWALK.

AND IF YOU'RE GONNA BOTHER WITH A SIDEWALK, YOU WANNA MAKE IT SAFE.

SO YOU WANNA PULL IT OFF THE BACK OF THE CURB A LITTLE BIT.

MAYBE MAKE IT BIGGER THAN A STANDARD SIDEWALK TO HAVE ROOF FOR SOME LANDSCAPING ON EITHER SIDE AND GIVE THIS THE CURB APPEAL THAT IT REALLY NEEDS.

THAT'S VERY INCREMENTAL APPROACH THAT'S GONNA BE PREDICATED ON FIXING THE FLOOD WATERS.

KRISTEN NEXT.

KRISTEN , JUST A QUESTION'S A LITTLE BIT HARD TO TELL ON THIS.

SO THE AREA, THE AREA SOUTH GO BACK, UM, I CAN'T REMEMBER, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH BOUNDARIES, WHAT, SO TARGET INVESTMENT AREA DOES, BUT, AND CATALYST AREA DOES, BUT THE TIFF DOES NOT.

SO THE PLANNING AREA INCLUDES THAT, BUT THE TIFF FUNDING AREA IS NOT, IT JUST MEANS THAT'S KIND OF THE EXERCISE IS, YOU KNOW, YOU USE CERTAIN THINGS AS MATT TALKED ABOUT, THAT ARE SUITABLE FOR, FOR CATTLE OR FOR TIF FUNDS AND THEN OTHERS ARE SUITABLE FOR BOND FUNDS.

AND SO LATER IN THIS PROCESS WE'LL START HELPING SORT THROUGH THOSE SO THAT YOU GUYS AREN'T HAVING TO LOOK AT EVERYTHING THAT MIGHT BE WE COULD ADDRESS IN A REGULAR BUDGET CYCLES AND CATALYST, I MEAN IN TIFF AREAS.

SEE I EVEN GET CONFUSED.

UM, NO VERSUS BOND.

IS THERE POTENTIAL, DOES THAT, THAT WHOLE SHOPPING AREA, AGAIN, I COULDN'T HEAR YOU.

IS THERE POTENTIAL TO TALK TO STORE OWNERS AND PROPERTY OWNERS ON SIDE? YES.

NO, WE, THAT'S OUR PLAN AND WE HAVE IN THE PAST WE GET LUKEWARM RESPONSE, BUT WHEN YOU BRING YOUR WALLET, THEY'VE LISTENED BETTER.

YEAH.

.

UH, AND A COUPLE QUESTIONS ON THE FLOOD PLAIN AREA WHERE THE CREEK IS PARKS ARE ALLOWED IN FLOODPLAINS.

WELL, SO, SO YES.

AND BUT, BUT EVEN THAT'S LIMITATIONS.

SO IN THE FLOODPLAIN WITH PARKS, WE CAN'T BUILD VERTICAL THINGS ANYWAY, SO, SO THINK ABOUT FLOODPLAIN AS LIKE A FIVE GALLON BUCKET AND IT'S GOT WATER IN IT AND THE MORE STUFF YOU THROW IN IT, IT'S GONNA OVERFLOW AND FLOOD WHERE YOU DON'T WANT IT.

SO WE, WE TURN IT INTO PARKLAND.

ABSOLUTELY.

WE JUST HAVE TO BE CAREFUL HOW MUCH VERTICAL STUFF YOU PUT IN IT.

RIGHT.

AND, AND I GUESS I WAS VISUALIZING BUT YOU KNOW, LIKE FIVE ONE THE PARK, RIGHT? AND MAKE ABSOLUTELY ALONG THE PARKWAY LINK.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COULD FIT? THERE WE GO.

I WAS WAITING FOR AN IDEA.

GO.

YES.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, MAKING, MAKING THIS A GREEN SPACE AMENITY IS CONCEPT THAT WE WOULD BE ASKING IN A SMALL AREA PLAN.

WE'D BE ASKING TO LOOK AT THAT PROPOSE, UM, SOME POSSIBLE WAYS TO DO THAT AND OF COURSE IDENTIFY THE COST.

YEAH.

ANYTIME YOU CAN TAKE A FLOOD PROBLEM AND TURN IT INTO SOMETHING ATTRACTIVE RATHER THAN JUST CHANNELIZING IN CONCRETE, THAT'S THE PREFERRED THAT BENEFITS EVERYBODY.

LINDSAY, MS. POP, LINDSAY.

UM, SO THIS SHOPPING CENTER, I MEAN TALKING ABOUT TURNING IT INTO A PARK OR SOMETHING SOUNDS GREAT.

WHAT'S THERE NOW MEAN THIS, THERE'S LIKE GROCERY STORE? I THINK SO AGAIN, IF WE WOULDN'T BE TALKING ABOUT, WE WOULDN'T, WE WOULDN'T BE WIPING OUT ALL OF THIS, RIGHT? SO IF WE FIX THIS DRAINAGE PROBLEM, THEN THIS LINE WILL MOVE.

AND THE IDEA IS TO GET THIS LINE TO MOVE AS FAR AS WE CAN WITHOUT CREATING OTHER PROBLEMS DOWNSTREAM.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE YET, BUT THE IDEA WOULD BE, LET'S SAY WE DOUBLED THE WIDTH OF IT, THIS LINE MOVES AT LEAST GET IT OUT OF THEIR, MAYBE IT'S AT THEIR FRONT DOOR INSTEAD OF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WIPING OUT THE SHOP.

NO, NO, NO, NO.

OKAY.

NO.

THAT THEY'RE KIND OF ON THEIR OWN IN THAT REGARD.

BUT WE WOULD CERTAINLY, IF WE COULD FIND MUTUAL BENEFIT, WE WILL, IT WOULD FINANCIALLY BENEFIT THEM AS PROPERTY OWNERS IF WE MOVE THE FLOODPLAIN OUT OF THEIR PROPERTIES.

I THINK THE BIGGEST POINT TO MAKE WITH THAT IS THIS BANK TOWER.

SO IF WE COULD GET THAT BANK TOWER OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN, THEN THAT OPENS UP REDEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES FOR IT.

BOB IS GONNA COMMENT ON RICKY'S IDEA.

THERE IS, YOU CAN

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SO, RIGHT.

AND I WOULD SAY IF YOU CAN DRIVE BY AND LOOK AT THIS AND ARIEL DOESN'T DO IT JUSTICE, UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW BAD WAY DRIVE BY AND EXPERIENCE THAT IMPACT OF JUST, WELL THE FULL, UM, IMAGE OF JUST HOW IMPACTFUL EVEN JUST MAKING THAT GREEN SPACE COULD BE FOR THAT.

OKAY.

SO THAT, THIS IS MY LAST SLIDE.

THIS TAKES US BACK TO THE FOREST JUPITER DART RAIL STATION.

UM, I THINK WE, THERE'S, IT'S A 14 ACRE RAIL STATION, 563 AVAILABLE PARKING SPACES BEFORE COVID.

23% OF THOSE SPACES WERE USED, UH, AFTER COVID ONLY 8% OF THOSE SPACES.

SO DART'S VERY INTERESTED.

THEY'VE SIGNED, UH, AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY.

UM, WE'RE VERY INTERESTED IN TRYING TO REDEVELOP THAT LOT.

THE NICE THING IS THAT'S A HUGE AMOUNT OF PROPERTY THAT'S ALREADY AT THE TABLE.

SO YOU ASKED ABOUT THIS OTHER LOT, UM, PART OWNS THAT.

SO IT'S PART OF THAT, PART OF THAT, UH, POSSIBLE PROJECT.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S WHAT WE DID DOWNTOWN.

WE BROUGHT IN PEOPLE TO LIVE THERE.

YOU KNOW, I Y'ALL BROUGHT UP BEFORE, YOU KNOW, DO, DO THIS RETAIL, FOLLOW, YOU KNOW, HOUSEHOLDS, UM, OFTENTIMES.

SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THOUGHTS THERE.

UM, THERE'S ALSO THE POTENTIAL TO ASSEMBLE SOME OF THE PROPERTY ON THE NORTH SIDE THERE.

UM, THERE'S, I DUNNO WHAT THE, THE PROPER WORD IS.

THERE ARE SOME PROBLEM PROPERTIES , YOU KNOW, UM, SOME PEOPLE MIGHT LOVE TO SEE ADDRESSED.

UM, AND YOU KNOW, WELL MAYBE WE JUST CALL 'EM REDEVELOP UNDERUTILIZED PROPERTIES.

IT'S THE WAY TO AS WE, AS WE PUT HERE.

SO I THINK THAT WRAPS UP.

YEAH, YOU I DON'T, LET ME ADD A LITTLE TO THAT TOO.

SO BECKY'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

SO ONE OF THE, WE, WE NOW HAVE TWO ILAS INTER LOCAL AGREEMENTS WITH OUR ONE THAT'S 6 35 TRANSIT CENTER.

THE OTHER ONE, LAKE RAY HUBBARD, THIS ONE THEY ARE VERY INTERESTED IN DOING AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT FOR YEARS.

THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A PLAN YOU CAN IMAGINE, AND THIS IS WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO PRIORITIZE THE PRECIOUS FEW DOLLARS WE'RE GONNA HAVE THIS, THAT WE COULD ABSOLUTELY DO THIS AND REDEVELOP THIS WITH, YOU KNOW, GREAT MULTIFAMILY WHATEVER.

BUT UNTIL THIS IS ADDRESSED, IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT SELL FOR A DEVELOPER.

SO THIS IS WHAT MAKES THIS THE MAGNITUDE OF THIS ONE VERY CHALLENGING.

UM, THAT THERE'S A COUPLE PROPERTIES IN PARTICULAR THAT IN ORDER TO DEAL WITH IT, YOU'D HAVE TO BUY 'EM AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE BIG AND EXPENSIVE.

SO THIS ONE'S A CHALLENGE.

IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PRIORITIES WHEN WE GET TO THAT, WE'LL HAVE TO KIND OF TALK THROUGH IF WE HAVE, WHEN WE HAVE LIMITED MONEY, WHAT ARE WE GONNA PUT FIRST? UM, IF THIS ONE'S A DOOZY ACCORDING TO YOUR MAP HERE, MY LITTLE TIRE STORAGE SAVED .

AND THE GREAT BENEFIT OF THIS IS IT'S A, IT'S A TRAIN, RIGHT? TRAIN IS WHERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF, LOT OF VALUE THERE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE MANY ACRES WOULD BE AVAILABLE HERE IN .

UM, NOT, NOT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

IT'S A BUNCH.

IT'S, IT'S BASED ON, THEY TRACK THE CARS LIKE WE'VE DONE IN THE OTHERS.

THEY MADE AVAILABLE THE, THE ACREAGE TO US THAT THEY THINK THAT THEY COULD SHRINK THE FOOTPRINT TO.

I JUST CAN'T THINK OF WHAT IT IS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

BUT IT'S, I MEAN IT'S THAT, IT'S THIS, THIS FOR PARKING AND THIS FOR DEVELOPMENT WOULD NOT BE OUT OF BOUNDS.

THE REASON I ASK THAT IS WE ALL KNOW THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS DOING AN ENORMOUS PROBLEM.

I KNOW THEY'RE GONNA RELOCATE LIKE THE BUS BARN AND THE COMPUTER CENTER.

THIS MIGHT BE A TIME TO THINK ABOUT, 'CAUSE THAT'S RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET BASICALLY FROM ADMINISTRATION.

IT MIGHT BE AN IDEAL TIME TO DO SOME LAND SWAPPING OR SOMETHING.

HAD A THOUGHT OF KEEPING, PUTTING ONE OF THOSE CLOSER TO THE MAIN LANE BUILDING.

YEAH, THAT'S NOT IN OUR CATALYST PLAN, BUT, WELL, WE GOT ANOTHER PIECE, PIECE OF PROPERTY ONE THOUGH.

RIGHT.

OKAY.

ANY OTHER

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UM, THE, SO THE PARKING IS DOWN TO 8% USAGE.

WHAT ABOUT THE DART USAGE? IS THAT, I I THOUGHT YOU MIGHT ASK THAT AND I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER THAT WE, WE COULD PROVIDE IT.

UM, THEY, THEY COLLECTED, UM, WE, IT MIGHT TAKE SOME TIME TO GET THAT.

I THINK WE COULD, UM, AT VARIOUS STATIONS THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH.

UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

I'VE SEEN SOME DEVELOPMENTS AROUND DAR ROOM.

I THINK IT'S, IS THAT CARROLLTON THAT'S ON THE , CARROLLTON, ADDISON RICHARDSON AROUND THERE.

YEP.

BUT I GUESS MY, MY CONCERN IS WHEN I'VE USED THE DAR UH, MY LAST EXPERIENCE, UM, THERE WAS A GUY WITH A MACHETE.

UM, AND LIKE THAT'S THE KIND OF STUFF YOU SEE AT THESE.

THAT'S THE KIND OF STUFF YOU SEE AT, AT A LOT OF THESE STOP.

I MEAN IT'S PRETTY FREQUENT.

UM, HE WAS GARDENING.

UM, SO DART'S A WHOLE DISCUSSION.

UM, IT'S IN CONTEXT WITH THIS.

I DO KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, DART DART'S GOT, UM, HIGH PRIORITY ON SAFETY, UH, TO THE EXTENT THAT THEIR, THEIR TOP OUT FOR THEIR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS ON DART IS THE HIGHEST IN THE METRO CLASS.

THEY'RE PAYING THE TOP DOLLAR TO ATTRACT WHAT'S NECESSARY TO KEEP THE BUS, THE BUSES FROM THE TRAIN SAFE.

IT'S A, IT'S A TASK FOR SURE.

YES SIR.

GREEN.

SO I UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS, I KNOW THIS AREA QUITE LITTLE BECAUSE I'VE HAD TO PULL A FEW SECURITY CONTRACTS OFF, UM, 'CAUSE OF THE, UM, SO NEVADA, RIGHT, LIKE YOU SAID, AND EVEN MATTER WHAT WE PUT THERE, WE HAVE TO CLEAR UP WHAT'S ACROSS THE STREET.

RIGHT.

AND YOU'RE RIGHT OR IS SCARY BECAUSE I, I READ, I FELL IN THE DARK TRYING TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CHICAGO AND HERE.

AND IT'S DIFFERENT.

I, I RATHER RIDE HERE.

I RATHER RIDE, BUT I KNOW THAT IT CAN CLEAN UP.

'CAUSE I'VE SEEN SOME DARK AREAS THAT ARE VERY CLEAN AND VERY NICE AND I THINK THAT WE CAN GET THIS THERE.

JUST, I THINK THAT, LIKE YOU SAID, UNTIL WE CLEAN UP THAT AREA OVER THERE, IT SHOULD BE THE BOTTOM ON TOLL POOL.

BUT IT'S DEFINITELY GONNA BE A GOOD REVENUE DRIVER ONCE WE POINT THAT UP.

DAR OFF THAT MOCKINGBIRD STATION THEY BUILT UP AROUND THAT THING THAT WE COULD HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

YEAH.

THAT'S AN AMAZING THOUGHT.

YEP.

SURE.

THE GOOD THING IS WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE PARTNERS WITH DART IN THAT REGARD.

THEY, THEY'RE VERY AMIABLE WITH US DOING IT.

IT'S JUST A LOT OF CONTEXT AND VARIABLES THAT NEED TO BE LOOKED AT.

THAT'S PROBABLY AS BIG AS THAT.

THAT BULK FIRST PROBABLY, SORRY, NOT IDEA.

YOU WANT BE TO PUT UNDERGROUND PARKING FOR THAT GREEN AREA TO GET IT OFF THE ROAD.

HAVE WHAT'S ABOVE IT, LIKE THE PARKING DOWNTOWN DALLAS.

SO THAT'S AN IDEA.

OTHER THING IS YOU, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUT PRESSURE ON THESE PEOPLE AND OTHER OF THE ROAD MOVE OUT.

YEAH.

UM, GARLAND PD PUTS A LITTLE PRESSURE ON 'EM.

THEY'RE, THEY VISIT A LOT ON THAT SIDE OF THE ROAD.

WELL PEOPLE THAT HAVE A BARGAIN OUTSIDE USING THERE ANYWAY, IF YOU PUT PARKING ON THE GROUND AND YOU HAVE, HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT SOMETHING NICE ABOVE FOR SURE THAT BLOCKS THE LOT THAT'S USED.

THAT'S USUALLY A TECHNIQUE USED.

BIG TIME PODIUM, PARKING UNDERNEATH MULTIFAMILY.

IS THAT WHERE YOU'RE MAXIMIZING? SO YOU WOULD, YOU COULD HAVE MULTIPLE USE.

YOU'D HAVE THE PUBLIC PARK PARKING IN THERE AND YOU'VE GOT RESIDENT PARKING.

AND THAT'S QUESTION I HAVE, I DRIVE BY THERE, THERE JUPITER KIND A SLOW ANSWER THAT TAKE THE BOTTOM THE CAR.

THAT'S NOT GOOD.

OKAY, WELL ANYWAY, THAT OPEN AREA RIGHT BEHIND ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ON THE EAST SIDE SIDE.

IT'S A BUILDING HERE.

YEAH.

UP THERE.

WHAT IS THAT ONE Y'ALL? IS IT PLASTIC? PLASTIC PACK.

YEAH.

I ALWAYS FORGET THAT'S PLASTIC PACK

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NO, IT'S MANUFACTURING.

MANUFACTURING.

THAT'S ONE OF OUR BIG, THAT'S A BIG ONE.

BIG COMMERCIAL.

BIG COMMERCIAL TAXPAYER AND UTILITY RATE PAYER.

WE LIKE THEM.

WE LIKE THEM A LOT.

OKAY, FIX THAT.

NOTHING TO FIX.

NOT MAKE A SUGGESTION.

MAYBE YOU COULD PUT A LIKE A, YOU KNOW, PASS TO PACK THAT KNOW THE AREAS IF WE HAD A BUILDING TO, TO LOOK AT.

WE COULD LADIES.

OKAY.

OKAY.

MEAN NOT WHAT I'M SAYING.

YEAH, THIS LIKE PASS TO PACK THERE.

SCHOOL DISTRICT, PRO, YOU KNOW, BUILDING THAT GIVES YOU, ALRIGHT, WHAT ELSE? UH, IS THERE ANYTHING ARTISTICALLY THAT WE COULD DO WITH THAT WITH THAT BRIDGE? THAT IS SOMETHING WE'RE ACTUALLY, UH, ON OUR LIST IN THAT AREA.

INVESTIGATE WHICH ONE POINTS TO IT? THE OVER RIGHT HERE.

THE OVERPASS OVER JUPITER OR OVER FOREST? OVER FOREST.

WELL EITHER.

I, I THINK MORE TRAFFIC IS, AND IT'S SMART ONLY, RIGHT? IT'S NOT DART AND CASEY S THAT, I DON'T KNOW.

I THINK IT'S DAR ONLY, SO THEY'RE A LITTLE EASIER TO WORK WITH.

SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BEAUTIFYING THE OVER BRIDGE, THE DARK BRIDGE.

YEAH.

START WITH BOTH SIDES.

BUT I USED TO, UH, MY OFFICE ALMOST IN THE, IN THE NEAR MY OLD OFFICE.

AND SO I USED TO DRIVE DOWN EVERY DAY.

FIX THAT RAILROAD TRUCK HERE, KIM.

YOU SHOULD DRIVE BY NOW AND SEE IT.

AND SO THE ONE, THE ONE ON JUPITER AND THE ONE ON FOREST, BOTH OF THOSE ARE DARKER.

THOSE ARE ELEVATED.

THE, THE, THE FREIGHT RAILS ARE, ARE ALL ON THAT LINE, BUT THEY'RE GROUND LEFT.

AND SO WE DO ACTUALLY HAVE SOME IDEAS OF THINGS WE WOULD LIKE TO DO TO BEAUTIFY THAT, UM, WITH ART.

AND SO WE, WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH THEM TO SEE IF THEY'LL, UM, ALLOW US TO DO IT.

THAT I THE CORNER OF THAT GREEN SIDE OF THE TRIANGLE THAN THE NORTHEAST GO LEFT WITH YOUR FOOT.

THE GRAY AREA LEFT THE DARK SIGN THERE THAT SAY IT'S A, A ICE TRACK OR SOMETHING, ISN'T IT? THERE'S AN INDUSTRIAL BUILDING.

IT'S SOMEBODY'S BUSINESS OUT THERE.

IT'S THAT LITTLE STRIP OF LAND THAT GOES UP.

SO ARE WE READY TO UH, TO DOWNTOWN? THAT'S A SMALL .

GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS ANGELA SELF.

I'M WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TODAY WE WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT DOWNTOWN.

I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THE OVERVIEW OF THE CATALYST AREA.

WE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE CHARACTERISTICS OF DOWNTOWN AND, YOU KNOW, THE KEY ASSETS THAT WE KNOW ARE HERE IN DOWNTOWN AREA TODAY.

YOU WANT TO DIG A LITTLE DEEPER AND TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE PLANNING EFFORTS THAT HAVE HAPPENED, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT MIGHT BE AVAILABLE FOR YOU TO CONSIDER AS A PART OF YOUR WORK.

AND SO FOR DOWNTOWN, WE'VE HAD A CHANCE TO EXPAND UPON WHAT WAS THE STUDY FROM 2005 THAT REALLY SET ALL IN MOTION FOR DOWNTOWN.

SO WE'VE LOOKED AT AN AREA THAT EXTENDS THE DOWNTOWN BOUNDARY CONSIDERATION, UH, EAST TOWARDS THE CITY LIMIT GOING DOWN 66, YOU KNOW, AVENUE B AVENUE.

AND THEN WE'VE ALSO LOOKED AT SOME OF THE AREAS OF DOWNTOWN THAT WE HAVE NOT YET GOTTEN INTO, WHICH WE OFTEN REFER TO AS THE EAST END OR O EMRE AREA OF DOWNTOWN.

AND SO THAT WOULD BE KIND OF YOUR FIRST STREETS, YOU KNOW, UM, ALL THE WAY TO, UM, REALLY FIFTH STREET.

SO BETWEEN FIFTH AND FIRST KIND OF GOING IN THAT AREA.

SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT TODAY.

SO THE MAPS THAT YOU SEE HERE REALLY ARE SOME OF THE CONCEPTS THAT HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED FOR DOWNTOWN, SOME OF THE PLANNING EFFORTS, HOW WE'VE STARTED TO THINK ABOUT WHAT IT COULD BE.

AND SO THE, THE MAP THAT YOU SEE HERE IS FROM THE ORIGINAL 2005 PLAN.

AND THAT REALLY

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IF YOU RECALL DURING OUR LAST CONVERSATION, I MENTIONED THAT THE INTRODUCTION OF THE PARK STATION IN DOWNTOWN WAS A REAL CATALYST MOMENT FOR THE CITY TO CONSIDER WHAT ELSE DOWNTOWN COULD BE.

YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT HISTORY IT HAD BEEN THE OLD WATERING HOLE, THE CENTRAL PLACE FOR EVERYONE TO GATHER AND SHOP.

YOU KNOW, IT WAS THE CORE OF WHAT AND GARLAND.

AND SO WHEN THE DAR STATION CAME, IT GAVE THE CITY AN OPPORTUNITY TO THINK ABOUT HOW CAN WE NOW BE, UM, NOT ONLY JUST A LOCAL DOWNTOWN, BUT A REGIONAL ATTRACTIONS.

HOW CAN WE INCLUDE DIFFERENT RESIDENTS THAT MAY NOT HAVE TRADITIONALLY LIVED IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA? SO JUST TO ORIENT YOU A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, UM, WE HAVE KIND OF THE, THIS IS WHAT THE SQUARE WAS ORIGINALLY, IF YOU RECALL THE OLD BUILDING HERE, THE ORIGINAL SQUARE FOOTPRINT.

AND SO THE VARIOUS LINES KIND OF START TO THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHERE ARE THE CORRIDORS, YOU KNOW, WHAT AREAS DO WE START TO ENCOURAGE SOME IMPROVEMENT SO THAT WE CAN ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO COME INTO DOWNTOWN OFF OF 78 OR GARLAND ROAD, YOU KNOW, WHAT KINDS OF IMPROVEMENTS DO WE WANT TO SEE ALONG THOSE CORRIDORS? AND THEN SOME OF THE VARIOUS LAND USES THAT WE MIGHT START TO CONSIDER AS A PART OF THIS.