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RIGHT.[ NOTICE OF MEETING CITY OF GARLAND, TEXAS DEVELOPMENT SERVICES COMMITTEE Work Session Room of City Hall William E. Dollar Municipal Building 200 N. Fifth Street Garland, Texas SEPTEMBER 16, 2024 4:00pm ]
TO THE SEPTEMBER 16TH, 2024 MEETING AT THE GARLAND DEVELOPMENT SERVICE COMMITTEE.MYSELF, I'M CHAIRMAN DYLAN HENDRICK.
WITH ME, I HAVE COUNCIL NAME, JEFF BASS AND DEPUTY MAYOR
UH, FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS APPROVAL MINUTES FROM THE AUGUST 19TH, 2024 MEETING.
NEXT ITEM, DON'T WANNA DO THAT.
YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND BRING THEM UP FIRST OR SHOULD IT'S, IT'S UP TO YOU.
HOW YOU WANNA DO THAT? WOULD YOU LIKE TO? SURE.
I'D LOVE TO WRITE THEM UP NOW, SECTION FOR IT.
SO IF, IF WILL GARRIN, HE'S GONNA, UM, COME UP HERE AND INTRODUCE HIS TEAM THAT HE BROUGHT WITH HIM.
AND THEN, UM, UM, UM, MY UNDERSTANDING FROM WILL, AFTER TALKING WITH HIM, UM, THIS MORNING AND LAST WEEK, THEY'RE HERE TO ANSWER SOME OPERATIONAL QUESTIONS AND NOT NECESSARILY THE TECHNICAL QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT MAY BE IN ORDINANCES.
HIS IS NOT ON, IT'S NOT, YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE A PRESENTATION OR VISUALS.
MINE'S JUST GOING OVER THE ORDINANCE.
SO, SO WE'RE JUST TALKING DURING PUBLIC COMMENT.
ALRIGHT, PLEASE, MR. GARRIN, WELCOME BACK.
AND THESE, UM, GENTLEMEN HERE, I'M JUST MAINLY GONNA INTRODUCE THEM AND LET THEM TALK TO YOU ABOUT, UM, DRONES AND THESE TYPES OF USES.
THEY'RE THE WITNESS EXPERTS HERE.
WE'RE JUST KIND OF HELPING JACKSON WALKER'S, HELPING THEM, UH, KIND OF FACILITATE, UH, YOU KNOW, FACILITATE THAT.
THERE'S THIS THROUGH THE PROCESS.
AND, UH, WE REALLY APPRECIATE MR. ENGLAND AND HIS TEAM KIND OF BRINGING THIS FORWARD, INITIATING THIS CHANGE.
THIS WILL BE, UM, VERY, VERY HELPFUL.
AND, UM, SO REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.
WE, WE HAVE, UH, DENNIS BRUCE, UH, KEITH CHRISTENSEN AND CONNOR FRAZIER.
ACTUALLY, IF YOU GUYS WANT TO COME ON UP HERE, BUT WE NEED TO GRAB A SCENE OR KIND TAKE IT OUT UP HERE STANDING.
PROBABLY A SEAT WOULD BE GOOD.
JUST AS LONG AS I COULD HEAR YOU IN THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE.
IT'LL SCOOT THIS WAY IF I CAN.
UM, SO, UM, THESE GENTLEMEN ARE LOCAL.
UM, DRONE UP, OF COURSE SPECIALIZES IN ON AUTONOMOUS, UH, DRONE DELIVERY SERVICES.
UM, AND, UM, BUT THESE ARE, THESE GENTLEMEN ARE LOCAL.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THE COMPANY IS BASED IN VIRGINIA.
UM, BUT THEY CAN SPEAK MORE TO THE OPERATIONS.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE MYRON, UH, MYRON DOK FROM JACKSON WALKER.
HE'S AN ATTORNEY WITH JACKSON WALKER WHO'S HERE AS WELL.
AND, UM, I'M GONNA LET THEM, THE DRONE UP FOLKS SPEAK REALLY ABOUT THE OPERATIONS AND ABOUT THIS USE, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
UM, AND MR. UM, DOK AND, AND BILL DOS FROM, FROM JACKSON WALKER.
WE'VE SENT SOME COMMENTS, UM, TO MR. ENGLAND, HIS STAFF.
AND, AND THAT WAS ABOUT THE SAME TIME WE WERE RECEIVING THE DRAFT ORDINANCE.
SO I KNOW WE ALL HAVEN'T HAD A WHOLE LOT OF TIME TO ABSORB EVERYTHING, BUT, UM, WE SENT SOME COMMENTS JUST ABOUT, UM, KIND OF ORDINANCE, MAYBE SOME, SOME, SOME FEEDBACK, SOME SUGGESTIONS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO I'M HAPPY TO, UM, TALK ABOUT THAT AND ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS ON THAT.
BUT REALLY I'LL LET THESE GUYS TALK ABOUT THE FUN STUFF AND TELL YOU ABOUT DRONES.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETIMES IT'S EASIER TO TAKE A FEW QUESTIONS, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL START WITH SORT OF A GENERAL, UM, COMMENT.
SO, UH, DRONE UP HAS BEEN AROUND FOR ABOUT ALMOST EIGHT YEARS, BUT THIS ASPECT OF, UH, OF DRONE THAT'S BEEN AROUND FOR ABOUT THE LAST THREE YEARS.
AND THIS IS PART OF THE, THE LAST MILE, UH, JOURNEY, UH, WITH WALMART.
AND SO, UH, IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN, UM, UH, OUR DRONES OR ANY OF THE COMPANIES THAT ARE WORKING IN THIS LAST MILE SPACE, WE DO DRONE DELIVERY, GROCERY DELIVERY FROM WALMART.
UM, WE'VE DONE, AS PART OF OUR OPERATION, WE'VE DONE OVER OVER 20,000 FLIGHTS.
UH, RIGHT NOW WE'RE AVERAGING ABOUT 500 LIVE DELIVERIES A WEEK IN ABOUT 2000 A MONTH.
IT REALLY IS KIND OF THE FUTURE.
UM, IT, THERE'S SO MANY THINGS THAT, THAT DRONE DELIVERY ADDS TO A COMMUNITY AS WELL AS TAKES AWAY.
ONE OF THE THINGS YOU THINK ABOUT IS IT'S JUST LESS TRAFFIC, LESS VEHICLES, LESS CARS ON THE ROAD AS FAR AS, UH, CUSTOMERS HAVING TO GO TO DRONE, UH, GO TO, SORRY, GO TO WALMART TO PICK UP ITEMS THEY MADE IT FORGOT THE DRONE IS, IS, IS SMALL ENOUGH THAT IT CAN CARRY, YOU KNOW, UM, GARLIC SALT OR IT COULD CARRY, UH, UH, BANANAS OR IT COULD CARRY, UH, THE, THE PASTA SAUCE YOU FORGOT TO PICK UP.
UM, BUT IT'S ALSO QUICK ENOUGH THAT IF
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YOU LIVE, YOU KNOW, YOU MAY ONLY LIVE FIVE MILES, UH, FROM THE WALMART, BUT THAT MIGHT BE A 25 MINUTE DRIVE FOR YOU TO GET THERE, AND THE DRONE CAN GET THERE IN UNDER SEVEN MINUTES.SO, UH, THAT'S KIND OF THE, THE BASIS OF WHAT WE DO.
AND, UH, I'VE BEEN, UH, LEADING THIS EFFORT FOR, UH, ABOUT TWO YEARS HERE IN DALLAS.
UM, AND MY PARTNER HERE IS JUST RECENTLY RE RELOCATED DALLAS.
AND, UH, HE'S ALSO LIKE, HE CAN SHARE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HIS JOURNEY AS WELL FROM, YEAH, SO I'M BRAND NEW TO DALLAS, UH, ON THE GROUND TODAY, ACTUALLY.
UM, COMING IN FROM FLORIDA, I WAS IN HIS POSITION, BUT IN ON THE FLORIDA SIDE MARKET LEADER, RUNNING MULTIPLE HUBS THAT WE HAD OUT THERE, UM, DOING DRONE DELIVERY FOR WALMART.
UM, SAME TYPE, SAME TYPE, UH, SITUATION.
UM, COMING OUT HERE NOW TO, TO JOIN THE TEAM AND HELP DRONE UP EXPAND HERE IN THE DALLAS MARKET.
AND, UH, JUST CONTINUE ON WITH THE EFFORT HERE.
THE LAST THING I'D LIKE TO SAY IS THAT, UM, WALMART IS A, IS A, A, A CLIENT FOR, FOR DRONE, UH, ONE OF OUR MOST SIGNIFICANT CLIENTS, UH, THAT WE'VE EVER WORKED WITH.
UM, BUT THE IDEA IS IN ORDER FOR THIS BUSINESS TO BE SCALABLE, UM, WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH MANY CLIENTS AND THE, THE DRONES HAVE TO, UH, ULTIMATELY BE KIND OF INTEGRATED INTO THE COMMUNITY.
UM, YOU CAN THINK OF, YOU KNOW, LIKE QUICK SERVICE RESTAURANTS, FOR EXAMPLE.
TYPICALLY, UM, YOU WOULD SEE THIS, THIS SORT OF LAST MILE DRONE DELIVERY IN THE SAME SPACE.
YOU WOULD SEE A DOOR DASH OR UBER EATS ONLY.
AGAIN, THERE'S NO VEHICLE, THERE'S NO DRIVER TO BE TIPPED.
IT'S JUST A DRONE THAT KIND OF FLIES OVER OUR HOUSE, DROPS THE ITEM ON THE PERSON'S DRIVEWAY IN THEIR BACKYARD AND FLIES AWAY.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE? YES.
UM, SO DO YOU HAVE SOMEONE LIKE OPERATING THE DRONE AND WATCHING EVERYWHERE IT GOES AT, AT THE SAME TIME? HOW DOES THAT WORK OPERATION? YEAH, SO RIGHT NOW THE WAY THE OPERATION WORKS IS WE HAVE HUBS THAT ARE LOCATED ON THE GROUND IN THE WALMART PARKING LOTS.
UM, AND THERE IS A SMALL TEAM, UH, TYPICALLY THREE TO FOUR, SOMETIMES FIVE PEOPLE THAT OPERATE AT THESE HUBS.
UM, AND THEY WILL CONTROL THE DRONE FROM THAT LOCATION.
UM, RIGHT NOW, AND AS DENNIS WAS SAYING, AS WE'RE GONNA START TO SCALE, THE, THE FACE OF THE OPERATION IS GONNA CHANGE A LITTLE BIT, BUT FOR RIGHT NOW, THE WAY WE'RE WE'RE OPERATING IS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, UM, PILOTS ON THE GROUND AT THE WALMART LOCATION WITH THE DRONE, UM, PEOPLE WILL PLACE ORDERS WITH THE STORE AND WE'LL FULFILL THOSE ORDERS.
SO THE ORDER WILL COME INTO THE HUB, UM, AND THEN WE'LL GET, WE'LL GET THAT ORDER, WE'LL GO INTO THE STORE, WE'LL FULFILL IT, WE'LL BRING IT BACK OUT, WE'LL PACK IT ONTO THE, IN THE BOX, PACK IT ONTO THE DRONE, AND WE'LL FLY IT OUT TO THE CUSTOMER.
SO HOWEVER MANY PEOPLE ARE IN THE HUB IS HOW MANY DRONES YOU HAVE UP AT THE, AT THAT TIME, OR ARE THEY OPERATING MULTIPLE DRONES RIGHT NOW? NO.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST DOING ONE DRONE AT A TIME AT EACH HUB.
AND THEN, UM, WHAT ALTITUDE DO THE DRONES FLY AT ONCE THEY, ONCE THEY'RE, YEAH.
SO THEY, THEY'LL LAUNCH FROM THE FLIGHT DECK AT IN THE PARKING LOT.
UM, THEY'LL CLIMB STRAIGHT UP.
IT, IT DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU'RE AT.
UM, IN THE COUNTRY, DIFFERENT PLACES HAVE DIFFERENT, UM, DIFFERENT LAWS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
TYPICALLY, UM, IN, I CAN SPEAK TO WHERE WE WERE IN FLORIDA, UM, WE FLY, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN TWO AND 300 FEET AND THEN ONCE IT GETS OUT TO THE PROPERTY, IT'LL DESCEND DOWN OVER THE PROPERTY.
IT'LL DESCEND DOWN TO ABOUT ROUGHLY 85 FEET AND IT'LL HOVER THERE.
FROM THAT POINT, ONCE WE DETERMINE THAT THE AREA'S SAFE, WE'LL EXECUTE DELIVERY AND THEN THE WINCH WILL LOWER THE BOX DOWN AND DROP IT NICE AND SOFT ON THE GROUND.
UM, AND THEN YOU MENTIONED THERE WERE 500 A WEEK DELIVERIES WHERE FIVE DELIVERIES.
WHERE ARE YOU SEEING THAT? IS IT IN A WHAT AREA? THAT'S ACROSS THE FLEET.
UM, HOW MANY AREAS, SO YOU'RE FROM FLORIDA, HOW MANY CITIES ARE YOU IN RIGHT NOW? SO WE RECENTLY, WE'VE DECIDED TO FOCUS ON JUST A FEW CITIES.
SO WE'RE FOCUSED IN VIRGINIA, HERE IN DALLAS, AND OBVIOUSLY THROUGH, UH, WHEN I SAY DALLAS, GARLAND, PLANO, UH, THE COLONY, UM, MESQUITE.
BUT, UH, MORE RECENTLY WE WERE FOCUSED IN ORLANDO.
WE WERE IN SALT LAKE CITY, UTAH.
UH, WE WERE IN PHOENIX, ARIZONA, ARKANSAS.
AND THEN, YEAH, OUR, OUR BIGGEST, SOME OF OUR BIGGEST HUBS ARE IN ARKANSAS NEAR THE, UH, WALMART HEADQUARTERS.
ANY QUESTIONS? HEY GUYS, APPRECIATE YOU GUYS COMING OUT TODAY.
SO YOU MENTIONED IN THIS, UH, CURRENT APPLICATION, YOU'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR ABOUT THREE YEARS.
UM, DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE ANY CONCERN OVER THE, THE NOISE THAT THE DRONES MAKE? UM, WHEN YOU SAY CONCERN, UM, WELL, HAVE YOU HAD, I MEAN, HAVE YOU HAD COMPLAINTS FROM, FROM
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CITIES AFTER, AFTER YOU'VE, YOU KNOW, STARTED THE SERVICE ABOUT NOISE? NOT NOISE COMPLAINTS.THE, THE DRONE IS AT ABOUT 65 DECIBELS.
I'M NOT SURE IF THAT IS A VACUUM CLEANER.
I MEAN, I WAS AT THE, UH, I, I SPENT ABOUT 15 MINUTES OUTSIDE OF THE, YOUR LAUNCHPAD OR WHATEVER IT IS AT FROM WALMART YESTERDAY.
AND IT WAS VERY LOUD IF THE GARLAND LOCATION.
THEY WEREN'T TAKING ANY ORDERS, BUT I GUESS, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WERE BEING TESTED OR WHAT, BUT THEY WERE GOING UP AND DOWN AND THEY WERE RUNNING.
THE DRONE DOESN'T ACTUALLY, IF YOU'RE ON THE GROUND AND YOU, YOU'RE KIND OF HEARING THE DRONE TAKE OFF, THAT DRONE NEVER GETS BELOW 80 FEET WHEN IT'S AT A LOCATION.
SO THAT KIND OF CHANGES THE SOUND THAT YOU WOULD HEAR.
UM, THE DRONE IS, AGAIN, FLYING AT 200 PLUS FEET, SOMEWHERE BETWEEN TWO AND 300 FEET WHEN IT GETS TO ITS DESTINATION COMES DOWN TO ABOUT 80 FEET.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE REFERENCING IN TERMS OF THE SOUND, YOU CAN HEAR WHERE THE DRONE IS KIND OF AT 80 FEET ON THE GROUND IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT IN THE PARKING LOT.
IT MIGHT SOUND A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
YEAH, I HAVEN'T ACTUALLY SEEN ANY OF 'EM FLYING ABOVE.
SO I, BUT THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE I, WHEN YOU'RE UP, WHEN YOU'RE UP IN THE TWO 50 FEET IN THE AIRSPACE, YOU, YOU BARELY HEAR THE AIRCRAFT AT ALL.
AND THEN, UM, WHETHER IT BE IN, ARE THERE ANY, UM, AND I KNOW OF COURSE 250 FEET'S NOT THAT HIGH, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW INVOLVED FAA GETS IN THAT, BUT ARE THERE ANY, UH, FLIGHT PATH RESTRICTIONS, WHETHER IT BE GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS, POLICE SCHOOLS? ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S GONNA BE, I THINK, UM, ONE OF THE CHALLENGING THINGS ABOUT THIS AND IN, IN ANALYZING THIS LAND USE IS Y'ALL'S JURISDICTION.
Y'ALL ARE LAND USE JURISDICTION.
WE, ONCE THAT GETS 10 FEET OFF THE GROUND, REALLY FIVE FEET OFF THE GROUND, IT BECOMES AN FAA ISSUE.
AND SO IT'S FEDERAL LAW, WE'RE PREEMPTED.
SO WHATEVER ANALYSIS SHALL DO IT NEEDS TO BE BASED ON.
SO, UM, THE NOISE OF A DRONE UP IN THE AIR IS REALLY NOT THE CONCERN OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING BECAUSE IT'S NOT ON THE LAND.
WHEN IT'S ON THE LAND AND OPERATING ON THE LAND, THAT'S WHERE WE GET CONCERNED WITH NOISE, SO.
UH, UH, I GUESS I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS THEN.
I JUST HAVE A COUPLE FOR YOU GUYS.
AND THEN WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS DRONE DELIVERY HUB.
SO HUB MEANS THAT THERE'S SPOKES EXTENDING FROM THAT HUB.
ARE THERE OTHER COMPANIES SERVICES THAT COME TO THIS HUB TO HAVE THEIR PACKAGE DELIVERED? NOT CURRENTLY, NO.
IS IT I IN THE FUTURE USE? MM-HMM.
SO RIGHT NOW, JUST WALK US THROUGH THE PROCESS.
SOMEONE PLACES AN ORDER, THEY PICK IT FROM THE WALMART STORE, BRING IT OUT TO THE HUB, IT'S PACKAGED AND IT'S SENT AWAY.
IN THE FUTURE, IF IT'S A RESTAURANT OR SOME OTHER BUSINESS, THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE SOMEONE IN A CAR DELIVER IT TO THE HUB AND THEN IT WOULD BE PACKAGED AND DELIVERED VIA GROWN THAT WAY.
YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING? UH, I WAS GONNA SAY, UH, NOT NECESSARILY WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS NEW TECHNOLOGIES AS WELL THAT WOULD, UM, WORK AROUND THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, DBX YEAH.
UM, WE HAVE A DELIVERY BOX SYSTEM, KIND OF A PROPRIETARY SYSTEM THAT WE'VE COME UP WITH THAT'LL WORK, UM, WITH QUICK SERVICE, YOU KNOW, RESTAURANTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, IT'LL ACTUALLY, UM, ACT LIKE AN INTERMODAL TYPE SYSTEM.
SO WE WILL BE ABLE TO BRING PRODUCT FROM MAYBE A WALMART TO A WALMART THROUGH THESE BOXES.
UM, OR, YOU KNOW, HAVE A QUICK SERVICE RESTAURANT, LOAD THE BOX, AND THEN OUR JONES WOULD FLY FROM WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED, LAND ON THE BOX AND PICK UP THE PACKAGE AND THEN CONTINUE ON AND FLY TO THE PERSON'S HOUSE.
SO THAT'S WHERE LIKE THE FUTURE LOOKS LIKE.
UM, RIGHT NOW WE'RE EXCLUSIVE TO WALMART.
WE WORK OUT OF WALMART'S PARKING LOTS AND WE DELIVER WALMART PRODUCTS.
THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT NOW, THE FUTURE, WE DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING.
UM, BUT, BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S, WE'RE EXCLUSIVE WITH WALMART.
I HAVE A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS.
UM, SO YOU MENTIONED UNDER 10 POUNDS.
UM, DOES THAT INCLUDE PRESCRIPTION DRUGS? ANYTHING THAT WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE SIGNED FOR? NO.
OVER THE COUNTER SO AND STUFF.
AND THEN, UM, IS THERE, WHAT KIND OF, CAN I ASK ABOUT DATA COLLECTION? SURE, YEAH.
WHAT KIND OF DATA COLLECTION DO YOU PARTICIPATE IN AS FAR AS LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE FLYING OVER OR ONCE YOU GET TO SOMEONE'S HOME, UM, ARE THERE VIDEOS TAKEN AND ARE THOSE SAVED OR SO NO, NOTHING.
WE HAVE ONE CAMERA ON THE AIRCRAFT.
IT POINTS FORWARD WHEN WE'RE FLYING FORWARD AND THEN WE CAN POINT IT DOWN WHEN WE'RE DESCENDING FOR DELIVERY.
THERE'S NO RECORDING CAPABILITIES WHATSOEVER.
ANYTHING ELSE? ANYTHING FROM THE COMMITTEE? NO, THANK YOU.
I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS BEING HERE.
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GOOD TO SEE YOU WILL.I THOUGHT I WOULD, UM, SPEND THE NEXT FEW MOMENTS WALKING THROUGH JUST THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE, UM, ORDINANCE THAT I PUT IN FRONT OF Y'ALL, UM, UM, TO REVIEW.
NOW KEEP IN MIND THIS ORDINANCE IS, EVERYTHING IN THIS ORDINANCE IS JUST PLACEHOLDERS.
ULTIMATELY IT'S, IT'S Y'ALL'S RECOMMENDATION AND COUNCIL'S FINAL DECISION ON DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS, NOISE REQUIREMENTS, AND ANYTHING OF THE SOURCE.
AND AGAIN, JUST TO REVIEW WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, THE CHALLENGE IN THIS WITH BOTH COUNCIL AND PLAN COMMISSION, AND IT'S EVEN A CHALLENGE FOR ME 'CAUSE I CATCH MYSELF GOING INTO THE REGULATION OF AIR OPERATIONS.
THERE'S NOT A SMOOTH TRA IT'S SUCH A SMOOTH TRANSITION.
IT'S HARD TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THE TWO, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOISE LEVELS.
AND YOU'LL SEE HOW SOME OF THE MORE PRACTICAL THINGS THAT YOU WOULD EXPECT TO SEE IN AN ORDINANCE MAY OR MAY NOT BE SOMETHING Y'ALL ARE INTERESTED IN.
BUT AGAIN, IT'S ULTIMATELY Y'ALL'S DECISION, Y'ALL'S RECOMMENDATION.
THEN OF COURSE, THE, UH, COUNCIL'S FINAL DECISION ON THESE.
SO I'M JUST GONNA HIT THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE ORDINANCE I PUT IN FRONT OF YOU.
UM, THE FIRST THING TO KNOW IS, UM, UH, LARGE HUBS, I DON'T KNOW IF I PUT A DEFINITION.
I PUT THE DEFINITION NEXT, UM, FOR A LARGE HUB.
UM, IT'S ALLOWED BY SUP IN THE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.
AND SO THAT'S FOR DRONES THAT ARE, UM, UNMANNED AIRCRAFT THAT ARE 55 POUNDS AND OVER.
AND, UM, OF COURSE THEY'RE DESIGNED TO DISTRIBUTE THE COMMERCIAL GOODS BY AIR.
UM, I'M NOT AWARE OF HOW BIG ARE HOW LARGE ARE THE DRONES Y'ALL, Y'ALL TYPICALLY USE AT WALMART? CURRENTLY UNDER 55.
AND THEN THE SMALL HUBS UNDER THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE, UM, THOSE ARE ALLOWED BY S-E-P-S-U-P AND INDUSTRIAL HEAVY COMMERCIAL LIGHT COMMERCIAL.
AND THEN OF COURSE, THE COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICTS.
AND, UM, THOSE ARE, UH, THE UNMANNED AIRCRAFT UNDER 55 POUNDS, WHICH JUST SOUNDS LIKE WHAT'S CURRENTLY USED.
BUT AS TECHNOLOGY, TECHNOLOGY DEVELOPS AND, UM, UM, THIS TYPE OF SERVICE EXPANDS, UM, IT WOULDN'T SURPRISE ME TO SEE AS, AS WE GET GOING FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD, THAT WE'LL SEE PEOPLE COME IN, COMPANIES COME IN DOWN THE ROAD AND, UM, UM, ASK FOR A, UM, LARGE HUB, WHICH IS OVER 55 POUNDS.
AND THEN IN THE ORDINANCE ALSO, THEY'LL, ONE SECOND.
IF WE GO BACK, WHAT'S THE REASONING FOR THE 55 POUND REGULATION? THAT'S, IT LOOKED LIKE THERE'S AN FAA DEFINITION.
IT'S AN FAA DEFINITION THAT WE BORROWED.
THAT'S THE REASONING FOR THE 55 POUNDS.
UM, AND THEN, UM, THE ORDINANCE ALSO, IF YOU, IF YOU FLIP OVER IF YOU WANNA SEE, IT ALSO ADDRESSES STAGING AREAS.
UM, UM, AND IN THIS ORDINANCE, IT HAS TO BE DESIGNATED ON A SITE PLAN.
SO A SITE PLAN HAS TO BE THERE.
NOW, KEEP IN MIND A SITE PLAN IS SIMILAR TO A CONCEPT PLAN.
IT BASICALLY, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE SITE OF WHERE THE HUB IS BEING PROPOSED AND WHERE THE STAGING AREA IS.
AND THE PURPOSE OF THAT SITE PLAN IS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT WITHIN ANY OF THE THINGS THAT YOU SEE IN SUBSECTION, BEYOND THE SCREEN BULLET BEHIND ME.
IT CAN'T BE IN ANY OF THE REQUIRED SETBACKS.
IT CAN'T BE IN FIRE LANES, UH, LANDSCAPE EDGE REQUIRED PARKING SPACES OR REQUIRED LOADING ZONES.
AND SO THAT'S THE PRIMARY PURS PURPOSE OF THE SITE PLAN, IS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S, UM, ADDED PLACE AT THE LOCATION THAT, UM, UM, IS ALLOWED UNDER OUR LOCAL ORDINANCE.
UM, STAGING AREAS ALSO, UM, IF THEY'RE GONNA HAVE STORED GOODS OR CONTAINERS OR TRAILERS OR THEIR, UM, PROPRIETARY, UM, UM, UM, BOX THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON TO, TO LOAD UP THE DRONES.
IF THO IF THOSE ARE GONNA BE ON SITE, UM, AND IT EVENTUALLY TURNS INTO THAT, THEN THAT AREA MUST BE SCREENED.
LIKE ALL OF OUR STORAGE AREAS IN THE CITY.
UM, YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE SCREENING THERE.
AND THEN OF COURSE, IF IT'S ON TOP OF A BUILDING, WE, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE FOR AIR CONDITIONS ON TOP OF COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, WE HAVE A MECHANICAL SCREENING THAT'S REQUIRED.
AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THE SAME TYPE OF SCREENING ON TOP OF A BUILDING IF THAT'S WHERE THE, UH, DRONES WERE PROPOSED TO LAND OR TAKE OFF FROM.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THE STAGING AREAS? IS THAT AN AREA WHERE WE, WHERE NOISE CAN BE CONSIDERED SINCE IT'S ON THE GROUND? IT CAN.
AND, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT.
IT'S AN, IT'S AN INTERESTING ISSUE.
UM, UM, BECAUSE ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP IS, OKAY, UH, UH, WHEN I WAS TALKING TO MR. DAHLSTROM AT, UM, JACKSON WALKER, HE WAS TALKING ABOUT, UM, REQUIRED SCREENING WALLS AND WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED.
AND I, AND I DID, I SAID INITIALLY, YOU KNOW, I THINK HE SHOULD ANTICIPATE, YES, THERE'S GONNA HAVE TO BE SOME SCREENING REQUIRED.
AND HE GOES, OH, THAT'S AN INTERESTING ISSUE.
BECAUSE TRADITIONALLY SPEAKING WITH LAND USE AREAS, WHEN YOU HAVE A TRUCK BACKING UP, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE REASON WE HAVE SCREENING WALLS BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND COMMERCIAL AREAS AND BUSINESS AREAS AND THAT KIND OF THING.
UM, UM, THE DIFFERENCE HERE IS ALSO THE QUESTION IS, WELL, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE DRONE GETS ABOVE 10 FEET, YOU KNOW, OR ABOVE EIGHT FEET OR SCREENING WALL? SO IT BECOMES A QUESTION OF PRACTICALITY.
AND SO THE SUGGESTION FROM THEM IS WE SHOULD REALLY FOCUS ON MAYBE IN THIS
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PARTICULAR USE DBAS AT THE PROPERTY LINE OF A RESIDENTIAL AREA AS OPPOSED TO A SCREENING WALL.BECAUSE A SCREENING WALL, UM, AT LEAST A A A EXPENSIVE SCREENING WALL, MAY NOT BE PRACTICAL IN THE SENSE THAT YOU'RE REALLY NOT PROTECTING FROM NOISE.
'CAUSE ONCE THE, ONCE THE DRONE GETS ABOVE THE SCREENING WALL, WHICH ISN'T VERY TALL IN GARLAND, UM, UM, UM, THAT IT'S NOT GONNA BE, UM, HAVE ANY EFFECT AT ALL.
AND SO AS YOU'LL SEE AS WE LOOK THROUGH THIS ORDINANCE, I TRIED TO BUILD IN SOME, SOME, UM, UH, REGULATIONS THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THE, THE, UH, SOUND LEVEL ITSELF THAT RELATE TO, AND YOU'LL SEE AS WE GET TO GET INTO THAT PORTION THAT RELATE TO OUR CODE OF ORDINANCE, OUR MINIMUM NOISE REQUIREMENTS IN THE CODE OF ORDINANCES.
AND THAT SHOULD SOLVE THE ISSUE.
BUT AGAIN, THAT'S GONNA BE A DECISION Y'ALL NEED TO MAKE.
IF Y'ALL WANT TO PUT, UM, BELTS AND SUSPENDERS ON THE ORDINANCE, UM, YOU COULD ALWAYS REQUIRE SOME TYPE OF GREEN NATURAL SCREENING WALL.
SOMETHING OTHER THAN A, THAN A MASONRY.
YOU, YOU COULD ALSO REQUIRE A MASONRY WALL.
OTHER CITIES DO, UM, I BELIEVE PLAINER REQUIRES A MASONRY WALL, MAYBE, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT MESQUITE, MESQUITE JUST PASSED THIS PASSED AN ORDINANCE TWO WEEKS AGO, I BELIEVE.
UM, SO THERE'S FAIRLY RECENT PLANOS WAS A FEW MONTHS AGO.
UM, UM, BUT MESQUITE WAS THE LAST ONE TO DO IT HERE RECENTLY.
AND THEN THE NOISE REGULATIONS AGAIN, UM, UM, WELL THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT SLIDE.
I, I DUPLICATED A SLIDE ON THIS HERE.
SO, UM, IF YOU GO TO PAGE THREE OF THE ORDINANCE THAT I GAVE YOU, YOU'LL SEE THE PROXIMITY OF NOISE SENSITIVE USES AND YOU'LL SEE THAT.
UM, AND AGAIN, UM, UM, SOME OF THESE DISTANCES, MINIMUM DISTANCES FROM, UM, PROPERTY LINES, UM, YOU'LL SEE FOR A SMALL HUB, UM, IT'S A HUNDRED FEET FROM ANY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, AND THAT'S A LITTLE CLOSER THAN WHAT PLANO REQUIRES.
AND, AND MESQUITES EVEN BUILT OUT FURTHER.
BUT AGAIN, I, I BUILT IN STUFF THAT THEY DON'T HAVE IN THEIR ORDINANCE RELATED TO ACTUAL NOISE LEVELS AND SOUND STUDIES TO THAT MIGHT, UM, UM, BE MORE INDUSTRY FRIENDLY IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION COUNCIL WANTED TO GO.
THE, FOR THE LARGE ONES, UM, UM, AGAIN, I SET IT AT 150 FEET.
UM, I THINK MESQUITES IS 200 FEET AND I THINK PLANOS MAY BE 200 FEET ALSO.
UM, SAME THING AS BEFORE, THOUGH.
I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT IT FROM A DIFFERENT PERS PERSPECTIVE, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO LOWER THAT TO 150, A HUNDRED, THAT MIGHT BE REASONABLE.
UM, UM, AND IT IN SUBSECTION C THERE, YOU SEE WHERE THAT MEASUREMENT'S GONNA BE TAKEN.
IT'S GONNA BE TAKEN FROM THE, UH, FROM A STRAIGHT HORIZONTAL LINE, FROM THE EDGE OF THE DRONE STAGING AREA TO THE CLOSEST PROPERTY LINE OF A PROPERTY CONTAINING A RESIDENTIAL DWELLING.
AND SO, UM, UM, THAT'S HOW THAT WILL BE MEASURED.
AND THEN, AND D IT'S, I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT PROVISION.
THIS IS ONE THAT I, I'VE ADDED THAT I DIDN'T SEE IN ANY OTHER CITIES.
UM, AND, AND THAT IS, IT'S SAYING THAT DESPITE WHAT MAY BE LISTED IN THIS SECTION IN REGULATING, UM, UM, DRONE HUBS, UM, THE SOUND LEVELS MAY NOT EXCEED THE LIMITATIONS ON EN ENVIRONMENTAL SOUND LEVELS DESCRIBED IN SECTION TWO, 2.69 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES.
AND BASICALLY WHAT THAT SOUNDS, WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, IT'S DIFFERENT FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF PROPERTY OR, OR DIFFERENT TYPES OF ZONES.
BUT IN RESIDENTIAL, UM, UM, ZONES, UM, IN GARLAND, UM, THE, THE AMBIENT NOISE LEVEL IS 55 DECIBELS.
AND SO, AND IN GARLAND IT BECOMES A VIOLATION IF YOU'RE 15 OVER.
SO IF ONCE YOU GET TO 70 IN GARLAND, THEN YOU'RE IN VIOLATION.
SO THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR STANDARD, UM, UH, NOISE ORDINANCE.
AND THEN EII BUILT IN THIS A SOUND STUDY.
UM, IT'S NOT REQUIRED UNLESS THEY WANT TO GO BELOW THE MINIMUM, UM, UM, UM, DISTANCES BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL, UM, NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE, UM, DRONE STAGING AREA.
AND HERE IT JUST SAYS THAT, LISTEN, IF YOU'RE GONNA GO BELOW THAT, THEN THAT'S FINE.
THE, THE PLAN DIRECTOR CAN, CAN LESSEN THAT DISTANCE IF YOU BRING IN A SOUND STUDY AND TO SHOW THAT IT DOES NOT EXCEED 70 DBA WHEN MEASURED FROM THE NEAREST RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY BOUNDARY.
AND THAT SOUND STUDIES YOU'LL SEE ON THE NEXT PAGE, UM, IT'S GOTTA BE DONE BY A LICENSED ACOUSTICAL CONSULTANT OR ACOUSTICAL ENGINEER.
UM, UM, AND THE REASON I DID THAT IS I WAS STARTING TO LOOK AT SOME OF THE SOUND STUDIES OUT THERE.
UM, UM, UM, PEOPLE ARE FOR, IN SOME CASES USE THEIR IPHONES TO CONDUCT SOUND STUDIES.
AND SURPRISINGLY, UM, IN THE ARTICLES I WAS READING, THE SCHOLARLY ARTICLES I WAS READING, THOSE ARE FAIRLY ACCURATE WITHIN TWO OR THREE BBAS.
I MEAN, SO IT'S, IT WAS KIND OF IMPRESSIVE, BUT I FIGURED WE WANT SOMETHING MORE THAN THAT.
UM, AND SO, UM, THEY NEED TO GO OUT AND GET AN ACTUAL STUDY DONE TO SHOW US, BECAUSE THIS IS A BIG DEAL, WE DON'T WANT TO ISSUE AN SUP AND THEN HAVE TO REVOKE THE SUP AFTER A, AN APPLICANT'S COME IN AND INVESTED A LOT OF MONEY IN THE PROPERTY AND THEN ONLY TO HAVE THEIR SUP PULLED IN THE FIRST SIX MONTHS BECAUSE OF NOISE COMPLAINTS.
UM, AND THEN, UM, IN THE EVENT THAT THE MINIMUM DISTANCE IS LOWERED BECAUSE THEY, UM, DO A SOUND
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STUDY, THEN IT, IT SETS AND, UM, OPERATIONS MUST STOP AT 8:00 PM UM, AGAIN, THAT'S JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TOO FAR INTO THE NIGHT, UM, IN DISTURBING PEOPLE AFTER 8:00 PM AND THEY MAY NOT DO OPERATIONS THAT LATE ANYWAY.I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR, UM, OPERATIONS LOOK LIKE IN TERMS, IN TERMS OF TIME.
AND THEN, UM, I GUESS THAT'S IT FOR NOISE REGULATIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE SOME COMMENTS.
'CAUSE WE NEED TO GET SOME FEEDBACK ON THIS FOR THE NEXT ROUND, LISA.
UM, SO I, I THINK ONE OF MY MAIN CONCERNS IS THE SCREENING WALLS AND, AND WHETHER OR NOT WE REQUIRE SOME KIND OF SOUND DAMPENING FEATURE OR ANYTHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
I, I DON'T KNOW, MASONRY TENDS TO BE PRETTY ECHOY SOMETIMES.
SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD SOLVE ALL OF THE PROBLEMS. AND THEN, UM, AS FAR AS, AS FAR AS THE, I, I LIKE WHAT THEY HAVE.
UM, I THINK IT'S KIND OF BRINGS US INTO THE FUTURE AND GIVES US A, AN AMENITY THAT A LOT OF OTHER CITIES DON'T HAVE YET.
UM, AND THAT THEY DON'T RECORD, UH, OR KEEP DATA ON, ON THE TRIP REALLY IS A BIG DEAL FOR ME.
UM, I WOULD BE VERY HESITANT TO DO ANYTHING WHERE ANY DATA COLLECTION IS HAPPENING, ESPECIALLY AT THE SITE OF DELIVERY.
UM,
WELL, I KNOW, BUT
UM, AND THEN COUNCILMAN BASS, I WANTED TO KIND OF TOUCH BASE WITH YOU, UM, BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCE, DO YOU THINK THAT A HUNDRED AND A HUNDRED OR 150 FEET IS ENOUGH? PROBABLY NOT.
IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE, UH, WALMART ON NORTH GARLAND, I WAS AT THE GAS STATION, WHICH WAS CROWDED AND NOISY, AND I COULD HEAR THE DRONES FROM THERE.
THAT'S WHY I RECOGNIZED THAT THEY WERE OVER THERE.
SO THEN I WENT OVER THERE AND OBSERVED IT FOR A LITTLE BIT LONGER.
UM, I DON'T KNOW, I THOUGHT IT, I THOUGHT IT WAS EXTREMELY LOUD.
AND IT MAY BE THAT, YOU KNOW, ONE DRONE ONLY PRODUCES 55 DECIBELS, BUT YOU GET EIGHT OF 'EM GOING AT THE SAME TIME.
AND IT'S JUST, I MEAN, IT AMPLIFIES.
SO I WOULD, UH, YOU KNOW, TO PIGGYBACK ON WHAT YOU SAID, I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME KIND OF, UM, SOUND DAMPENING SCREENING.
UM, BUT YEAH, I, I DON'T KNOW.
I WOULD THINK, I WOULD THINK A HUNDRED, 150 FEET DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A GREAT ENOUGH DISTANCE WITHOUT ANY SOUND DAMPENING QUALITIES.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THIS IS A, THIS IS A NEW TECHNOLOGY, IT'S NOT GOING AWAY.
UM, BUT I JUST, I DON'T KNOW, I SEE A LOT OF POTENTIAL ISSUES WITH IT.
SO I'LL GET INTO THAT AFTER YOU'RE DONE
SO, UM, IF YOU COULD GIVE ME A COUPLE LOCATIONS WHERE I COULD JUST GO, YOU KNOW, SEE LIKE YOU DID COUNCILMAN BASS, UM, THAT WOULD BE, I THINK THAT WOULD LEND A LOT TO THE DECISION MAKING AS FAR AS THE NOISE ASPECT OF IT GOES.
THAT NORTH CARLIN AND ONE 90 THE ONE YOU WANT.
I, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, LET ME, LET ME, UM, BEFORE WE LEAVE AND PUT IT, BEFORE WE LEAVE THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC, WOULD YOU, WOULD THE COUNT, WOULD THE COMMITTEE LIKE ME TO PUT IN THIS VERSION, THIS DRAFT VERSION OF THE ORDINANCE, SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE SCREENING WALL? AND IF SO, WHAT TYPE OF SCREENING WALL WOULD Y'ALL LIKE TO SEE IN THERE? YEAH, I'D, I'D LIKE TO GO THROUGH MY COMMENTS FIRST.
SO, UM, YEAH, PRETTY MUCH WOULD THE, WOULD THE SOUND AND MY CONCERN OF THE NOISE, UM, YOU KNOW, YEAH, I'M NOT SURE.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE MASONRY WALL WOULD, WOULD, UH, CONCEAL THE NOISE MORE.
I MEAN, MASONRY WALL DEFINITELY LOOKS A LOT BETTER THAN A LITTLE CHAIN LINK FENCE SITTING OUT THERE.
UM, AND SO IN TALKING ABOUT THE GROWTH OF THIS MARKET TOO, OH BY THE WAY, YEAH, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD, UM, LOOK AT A GREATER DISTANCE THAN A HUNDRED FEET FROM RESIDENTIAL.
UM, AND IN TALKING ABOUT THE, THIS MARKET, THIS MARKET IS IN ITS INFANCY.
AND UM, AS THEY MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE GROWTH FACTORS IS, UM, RESTAURANT DELIVERY.
AND LIKE YOU SAID, WHAT THE, FROM WHAT I'VE READ, THE PLANS ARE FOR A DRONE TO LEAVE ITS LAUNCHPAD, GO TO THE RESTAURANT, PICK UP THE FOOD, THEN DELIVER THE FOOD.
SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A LOT MORE ACTIVITY THERE.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW, I MEAN, THINK, UH, THINKING OF THE FUTURE, WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW CROWDED IS THE AIRSPACE GOING TO BE AND WE CAN'T THINK ABOUT THAT AT ALL.
'CAUSE IT'S NOT, 'CAUSE IT'S NOT ON THE GROUND.
WELL THAT'S MY CONCERN THOUGH.
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YOU KNOW, AND WITH THE DRONE DELIVERY OPERATIONS AFTER 8:00 PM I DON'T KNOW.UM, I HADN'T EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT A TIME RESTRICTION ON IT.
UM, BUT THERE WAS SOMETHING ELSE IN HERE TOO.
YOU KNOW WHAT IF I FIND IT, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE I SAW IN HERE THAT WAS, I, I CAN'T ADDRESS YOUR DISTANCE, UM, REQUIREMENT.
SO PLANO I BELIEVE IS 150 FEET.
AND THEN, UM, UH, THEY DON'T REFERENCE BACK TO THEIR GENERAL SOUND ORDINANCE.
UH, MESQUITE IS ACTUALLY 200 FEET.
SO JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE OF THOSE.
I THINK, I THINK 200 FEET SOUNDS BETTER.
OH, I KNOW WHAT I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT.
I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE SOUND STUDY.
SO IF SOMEONE WERE TO DO A SOUND STUDY, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, I GUESS I'D LIKE TO SEE UNDER WHAT PARAMETERS THEY DID THAT STUDY.
YOU KNOW, ARE THEY DOING IT WITH ONE DRONE? ARE THEY DOING IT WITH EVERY DRONE OF EVERY SPOT AVAILABLE IN THAT, IN THE, IN THE PAD AREA? SO, UM, I'D LIKE TO, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT PARAMETERS THEY'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT BEFORE WE, BEFORE WE USE THAT DATA.
UM, THAT'S ALL I GOT TO ADDRESS THAT SECOND POINT.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WHATEVER THE, THE COUNCIL AFTER, WHATEVER THE APPLICANT APPLICANT BRINGS IN WITH THEIR SOUND STUDY, THE COUNSEL CAN DETERMINE AT THAT TIME WHETHER THAT SOUND STUDY IS SUFFICIENT OR NOT.
OR THE PLAN COMMISSION CAN, WHO'S EVER REVIEWING THAT APPLICATION.
IT'S DIFFICULT TO WRITE IN THE PARAMETERS OF THE SOUND STUDY IN AN ORDINANCE WHEN, UM, I'M CERTAINLY NOT A, UM, EXPERT ON AUDIOLOGY AND, UM, UM, SOUND STUDIES.
SO IT'S, IT'S MORE OR LESS, UM, IF THE SOUND STUDY DOESN'T MATCH WITH WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING FOR THEIR OPERATIONS.
AND SO IF, IN OTHER WORDS, IF THEY'RE PROPOSING TO USE, YOU KNOW, 16 DRONES COMING OUT OF A LOCATION, BUT THEIR SOUND STUDIES ONLY STUDYING THAT SOUND LEVEL OF ONE DRONE, THAT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A GOOD REASONABLE SOUND STUDY.
GOOD WAY TO GET YOUR APPLICATION REJECTED.
SO IN SOME, IN SOME REGARD, THE, THE APPLICANT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE RESPONSIBLE AND THE STAFF'S GONNA HAVE TO GIVE SOME DIRECTION TOO, ALSO AS WELL.
AND, AND OUR STAFF DOES A GOOD JOB OF WORKING WITH THEM WHEN IT COMES TO THESE TYPES OF THINGS TO LET 'EM KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THE SOUND STUDY BETTER MATCH WITH WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING.
IF IT DOESN'T MATCH, THEN IT'S A GOOD REASON FOR THE COUNCIL TO, UM, UM, UM, DENY YOUR APPLICATION.
I'D LOVE TO GET, UH, PLAN COMMISSIONER DALTON'S INPUT.
YEAH, HE WILL HAVE PLENTY OF IT.
ACTUALLY, I WAS THINKING OF HIM THE WHOLE TIME.
SO YOU HAVE TWO POINT SOURCES AND THEY'RE NOT, THEY, THE WAVES WILL AMPLIFY FURTHER AWAY, BUT IT'S A SMALL, THERE'S A LOT OF SCIENCE THAT GOES INTO IT.
THERE'S A SMALL INCREASE, BUT IT'S MINIMAL COMPARED TO THE SOURCE ITSELF.
SO, BUT IT, IT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.
ALTHOUGH THE SOUND STUDY, YOU SAY LESS THAN 70 DPA WHEN MEASURED FROM THE NEAREST IS THAT WE WOULD ONLY BE ABLE TO REGULATE THOSE OPERATIONS WHEN THEY'RE IMMEDIATELY TAKING OFF THEN.
DO WE NEED TO PUT THAT IN THE SOUND STUDY? UM, YEAH, I CAN DO THAT.
AND YEAH, I THINK IT'S LINING UP WITH SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES ON THE DISTANCE DEPARTMENT.
I'M FINE WITH, UH, I HAVE DRONES THAT FLY OVER MY WORKPLACE CONSTANTLY.
'CAUSE THERE'S A, A HUB NEARBY WHERE I WORK AND WHEN THEY'RE IN THE AIR, THEY'RE JUST A SMALL BUZZING SOUND THAT YOU HEAR GOING BACK AND FORTH AND THEY'RE QUITE HIGH.
UM, IT'S A QUADCOPTER TYPE DRONE THAT ZIPS BACK AND FORTH.
BUT, UM, I THINK WHAT WE HAVE HERE, I DON'T THINK IT'S A GREAT, A GREAT START HERE.
UH, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DO THE OTHER CITIES DIFFERENTIATE, DIFFERENTIATE DISTANCES WITH LARGE AND SMALL HUBS? I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT PLANO SAID.
AT WHAT ARE THOSE DISTANCES? DO YOU KNOW OFFHAND AT ONE 50 AND 200 OF 'EM? I'M FINE INCREASING IT TO THAT.
AND ALTHOUGH THE SCREENING I THINK WOULD BE JUST MORE FOR AESTHETIC REASONS RATHER THAN SOUND REASONS.
BECAUSE AS SOON AS THEY LAUNCH THEIR, IT'S NOT GONNA MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE, UH, WHETHER WE HAVE A SCREEN WALL THERE OR NOT.
SO IF WE WANNA HAVE IT FOR AESTHETIC REASONS, THEN I'M FINE WITH INCLUDING THAT.
AND IF WE'RE GONNA DO THAT, I'D RATHER HAVE A, A NATURAL ONE THAN A KIND OF A HARD WALL OR, OR MASONRY FENCE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
BUT, UM, YEAH, I THINK THIS IS, OTHER THAN THE DISTANCE REQUIREMENT, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT START.
THAT'S SOMETHING SHOULD HAVE DONE SEVERAL MONTHS AGO.
SO
THE CHAIRMAN, YOU KNOW, THIS IS GONNA BE HIS MOMENT TO SHINE BECAUSE HE TRIED TO CONVINCE ME FOUR MONTHS AGO THIS WAS A REAL THING AND I TOLD HIM, OH, THIS ISN'T A THING.
YOU KNOW, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, THIS ISN'T WE'RE, THIS IS YEARS AWAY AND HERE IT IS, WE'RE BACK.
AND SO HE'S ENJOYING MAKING ME EAT CROW HERE.
AND I, I CALLED HIM ABOUT A MONTH AGO AND SAID, OKAY, YOU WERE RIGHT.
AND YOU KNOW, HE'S BEEN HAPPY.
SO THE COMMITTEE LIKED ME TO MOVE THAT UP TO ONE 50 AND 200.
IS THAT THE DIRECTION I'M GETTING? YES.
I'M UNANIMOUS COMMITTEE ON THAT ONE.
DO WE WANNA DISCUSS THE LAND USE MATRIX AT ALL? DOES EVERYBODY
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HAPPY WITH THAT? THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I HAD ON LAND USE, RIGHT.I THINK SP I'M FINE WITH IF WE WANT TO, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE COMMITTEE HAS ANY APTITUDE TO DO IT BY.
I, I DON'T THINK AT, AT THIS POINT BECAUSE THIS WHOLE THING IS IN ITS INFANCY.
SO I DON'T THINK THAT WE WANNA LOSE THAT CONTROL.
THE BLANK SPOT I SEE ON THIS LAND USE MATRIX IS THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
DO WE WANT TO TAKE A STAB AT THOSE? RIGHT NOW? IT'S, IT'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION BECAUSE IF IT'S ONLY FOUR EMPLOYEES WORKING THERE MM-HMM
BUT IF YOU'RE, IF IT IN THE FUTURE ADAPTS TO A, UH, WHERE CUSTOMERS CAN COME IN LIKE A UPS STORE, THEN YOU MIGHT NEED SOME PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR BECAUSE OF THAT.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT I'M, I'M GETTING AT.
'CAUSE IT DID MENTION MAYBE A LOADING ZONE.
IF THERE'S CARS THAT ARE COMING TO BRING GOODS OR FOOD FROM OTHER RESTAURANTS OR BUSINESSES AND DROPPING 'EM OFF AND THEN THEY'RE LEAVING, I'D AT LEAST SAY AT LEAST ONE SPOT PER EMPLOYEE.
AND THEN ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS FOR LOADING SPACES, IF WE WANNA ADD THAT IN.
I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD DO PER EMPLOYEE BECAUSE LIKE HE SAID EARLIER, HE HAD THREE AT A HUB NOW AND POSSIBLY FIVE IN THE FUTURE.
BUT I THINK THAT NUMBER WILL VARY.
UM, SO I WOULD, AND THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA BE AROUND PARKING, RIGHT? I MEAN MM-HMM.
SO WE'RE ZONING OUR INDIVIDUAL USE.
SO THE THING IS THIS IS AN INDIVIDUAL USE HERE, WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S STANDALONE.
I I KNOW THEY'RE ASSOCIATED RIGHT NOW WITH WALMART.
BUT IF THERE'S SOMEONE ELSE COMES ALONG, INDIVIDUAL USE.
I PROBABLY IN, I'M JUST TRYING TO LOOK AND SEE WHERE THIS THING'S GONNA GROW AND WHERE IT'S GONNA GROW, LEAD TO THE FUTURE.
UM, I WOULD SEE GROWTH IN IT BEING A PICKUP LOCATION AS OPPOSED TO A DROP OFF LOCATION.
THE DIFFERENCE BEING, UM, I THINK IF, COULD WE CATEGORIZE, I MEAN WE'VE GOT COMMERCIAL, WE'VE GOT DRONE LARGE AND DRONE SMALL.
UM, AND LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, RIGHT NOW PEOPLE AREN'T COMING UP AND PICKING UP PACKAGES HERE OR DROPPING, WE'RE DROPPING 'EM OFF.
UM, BUT IF IT'S GONNA BE A SERVICE WHERE PEOPLE COULD COME AND PICK SOMETHING UP, COULDN'T THAT BE A A THIRD CATEGORY? IT WOULD BE A SECONDARY USE IS WHAT THAT WOULD SECONDARY USE.
ALMOST EXACTLY AN OPPOSITE OF WHAT WE SEE AT WALMART, WHERE THE DRONE IS THE SECONDARY USE AND WALMART'S THE PRIMARY.
SO, SO IN THAT, IN THAT CASE, YOU COULD HAVE A PARKING REQUIREMENT UP FOR THE SECONDARY USE.
ARE THEY DRIVING THROUGH? WOULD IT BE LIKE A DRIVE THROUGH THAT? WE'D HAVE TO HAVE A MODIFICATION TO THE SITE PLAN FOR, I DON'T KNOW MAN.
I DON'T LOADING ZONE LOADING OR UNLOADING ZONE.
I'M JUST TRYING TO, I'M TRYING TO, JUST TRYING TO SEE THE FUTURE.
I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT'S TOUGH ABOUT THIS, RIGHT? THAT'S WHY I DON'T KNOW.
UM, WHAT ABOUT 14 WHEELERS? YEAH, BUT I GOTTA TELL YOU HONESTLY, I THINK RIGHT NOW THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS, I DON'T THINK WHERE THIS IS RIGHT NOW, WE NEED TO DO ANYTHING WITH PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
I'D LIKE TO SEE AT LEAST SOMETHING THERE FOR EMPLOYEES.
WELL, WE COULD DO, UM, ON HIS, TO ADDRESS YOUR POINT IS BECAUSE IT'S SUVS, DEPENDING ON WHAT THEY'RE COMING IN APPLYING FOR AND THEY'RE SAYING THIS IS WHAT THIS IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE.
THIS IS JUST GONNA BE OUR DRONES TAKING OFF, GOING TO WALMART AND THEN GOING TO THE CUSTOMER AND THEN LANDING BACK AT THE HUB.
IF THAT'S ALL IT IS, THEN THE SUP.
SO WHAT WE COULD DO IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE STANDARD SUP FORM THAT WE HAVE FOR THESE PARTICULAR USES ADDRESS PARKING WITH THAT.
AND WHETHER THAT'S NOTHING AT ALL BECAUSE IT'S JUST AS A STANDARD, WHAT I JUST DESCRIBED, OR WHETHER IT'S A A DRIVE-IN, THEN OF COURSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE AN SUP FOR THAT AS THE DRIVE-IN COMPONENT AS WELL.
AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE SCREENING FOR THAT AS WELL.
AND SO IF IT'S A DRIVE-IN OR IF IT'S A A, A PICKUP AND DELIVERY, THEN THAT'S SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
AND SO I THINK WE COULD ACTUALLY ADDRESS THAT WITHIN THE SUP ITSELF AND NOT HAVE TO DO IT WITHIN THE GDC PROVISION.
IT MIGHT BE EASIER TO DO IT THAT WAY.
AND IF WE EVER EXPAND OUTSIDE OF AN SUP, THEN WE CAN ADD REQUIREMENTS AT THAT TIME TOO FOR PARKING, DEPENDING ON WHICH ZONE IT'S IN.
DO WE WANT GIVE THEM A BASE OF EVEN LIKE SOMETHING, HERE'S SOMETHING TO START THE SUP WITH.
'CAUSE I'M GOING THROUGH SUVS IN OTHER CITIES RIGHT NOW.
THEY HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A BASE TO WORK FROM, WHETHER YOU'RE IN INDUSTRIAL BASE OR COMMERCIAL SOMETHING, AND THEN YOU MODIFY THAT FOR YOUR SUP.
SO COULD, COULD WE MAYBE ASK THEM SURE.
I'VE GOT SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, CAPACITY, HOW MANY DRONES ARE RUN AT THE TIME, THAT KIND OF THING.
I I THINK THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS SHOULD BE TIED TO THE NUMBER OF PADS THEY HAVE, NOT THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES THEY HAVE.
SORRY, I I I DIDN'T GET THE, JUST THE QUESTION.
THE QUESTION IS THEN, HOW DOES YOUR PARKING WORK NOW? WHERE DO YOU GUYS EMPLOYEES WHO WORK AT THAT HUB, DO THEY PAR PARK IN THE ADJACENT PARKING LOT? OR HOW MANY EMPLOYEES DO YOU HAVE THAT WOULD NEED PARKING THERE? SO THE EMPLOYEES DO PARK AT THE HUB ITSELF,
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AND CURRENTLY WE HAVE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THREE AND FOUR EMPLOYEES.BUT THE ACTUAL, THE WAY THE OPERATIONS, THERE'S GONNA BE LESS EMPLOYEES.
SO THERE'D BE MAYBE TWO OR EVEN ONE BASED ON THE AUTONOMY.
SO I, I THINK WE MENTIONED BEFORE THERE'S A DESTINATION BOX THAT WOULD KIND OF REPLACE WHAT YOU SEE NOW THAT ONLY REQUIRES ONE PERSON TO KIND OF OPERATE THAT BOX.
SO IN THE FUTURE, RIGHT? 'CAUSE THE, YOU MENTIONED AUTONOMOUS, RIGHT? AUTONOMOUS RIGHT.
SO THE BASICALLY, IF I'M PICTURING THIS RIGHT, THE GOAL IS SOMEONE JUST TYPES IN AN ADDRESS AND THEN THE DRONE FINDS ITS OWN WAY THERE AND ALL THAT, RIGHT? CORRECT.
AND THEN, SO FROM A WALMART PERSPECTIVE, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO GO OUT AND KIND OF LOAD THE PACKAGE IN THE, THE UNIT ITSELF.
THE DRONE WOULD THEN COME AND TAKE THAT PACKAGE AND GO TO THE CUSTOMER.
BUT IT IS KIND OF LIKE A DRIVE-THROUGH AS WELL BECAUSE IT DOES HAVE THE ABILITY, IF LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, SAY THE WALMART'S CLOSED AT 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT AND SOMEBODY DIDN'T GET THEIR ITEM BUT IT WAS THERE, THEY COULD GO AND THERE'S KIND OF ALMOST LIKE AN AT TM TOUCH THE CODE, THE DOOR OPENS UP AND THEY CAN GRAB THEIR, THEIR ITEM OUTTA THERE TOO.
SO PEOPLE CAN GO THERE AND PICK STUFF UP.
HOW MANY, UM, AT THE WALMART RIGHT THERE, HOW MANY PAD SITES, HOW MANY DRONES DO YOU HAVE THE CAPACITY FOR RIGHT NOW? JUST ONE.
WE JUST HAVE WHAT, WE HAVE THE, UH, THE FOUR PARKING SPOTS AND WE JUST HAVE THE ONE DRONE THERE.
THE, THE WALMART ON NORTH GARLAND, THERE WAS JUST ONE, THERE WAS MORE THAN ONE ON SUNDAY.
SO IF THERE'S LIKE, IF, IF A DRONE IS KIND OF BEING SERVICED MM-HMM.
'CAUSE WE DO HAVE A, A MAINTENANCE TEAM THAT SERVICES THE DRONE.
THERE COULD HAVE BEEN DRONES THAT WERE BEING SWAPPED, BUT WE ONLY HAVE, IN OUR OPERATION, WE ONLY HAVE JUST THAT ONE DRONE.
I JUST, YOU, YOU MAY HAVE SEEN A COUPLE DRONES.
AND THE, THE GOAL IS LIKE PER, I MEAN, 'CAUSE OF COURSE WALMART'S GONNA BE, THE WALMART'S GONNA BE THE BIG CUSTOMER FOR, FOR RIGHT NOW.
SO, UM, SO HOW, WHAT'S THE GOAL TO RUN? HOW MANY AT A TIME? UM, I THINK WE'RE STILL KIND OF IN THAT, THE, THE UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WALMART'S NEEDS MAY BE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND A LOT OF THIS KIND OF FALLS IN THEIR.COM SPACE AND WHAT KIND OF TRAFFIC THEY'RE GETTING OUT OF THERE.
WE, WE BELIEVE THAT THIS MIGHT INCREASE SOME OF THEIR TRAFFIC.
UM, BUT THE, THE, RIGHT NOW, THE ONLY DISCUSSION WE'VE HAD IS ABOUT TRYING TO GET A SECOND DRONE TO BE ABLE TO FLY TWO DRONES, UM, TO AGAIN, TO ANTICIPATE WHAT THEIR, UH, WHAT THE TRAFFIC MAY LOOK LIKE.
IN MARKETS THAT YOU'VE BEEN, 'CAUSE YOU MENTIONED THAT THIS PARTICULAR MODEL'S BEEN IN EXISTENCE FOR THREE YEARS.
SO IN MARKETS YOU'VE BEEN IN THAT WHERE YOU HAVE MORE PENETRATION.
WHAT DOES, WHAT'S IT LOOK LIKE THERE? UH, THE, THE MARKET WE'VE BEEN IN THE LONGEST IS IN ARKANSAS.
AND THEY STILL HAVE THE ONE DRONE, BUT THEY DO, THEY'RE, THEY'RE BUSIER THAN OUR, OUR MARKETS HERE.
AND LIKE YOU MENTIONED, AS YOU GROW, YOU'LL REQUIRE LESS EMPLOYEES, SO THERE'LL BE LESS NEED FOR EMPLOYEE PARKING ON SITE BECAUSE THE ON ONSITE.
YEAH, BECAUSE YOU, THE CREW CAN OPERATE FROM A REMOTE LOCATION.
ANYBODY QUESTIONS? DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE FOR, UM, WELL ONE, DO WE WANT TO LOOK AT LIMITING THE NUMBER OF DRONES AT EACH HUB AND THEN, UM, I THINK MAYBE LOOKING AT A, A LOADING OR UNLOADING ZONE OR PARKING SPOT AND THEN AT LEAST, AT LEAST ONE PARKING SPOT FOR EMPLOYEES, I, I MIGHT CONSIDER, WE MIGHT CONSIDER IF YOU HAVE, IF YOU HAVE LIKE A DEAL GOING ON WITH WHATEVER COMPANY YOU'RE SERVICING, THEN THE PARKING SPOTS CAN BE TAKEN CARE OF THERE.
AS LONG AS THAT'S WORKED OUT WITH THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, I WOULD BE AMENABLE TO THAT.
BUT, UM, IS THAT SECONDARY USE? IT, IT'S, THIS IS DIFFICULT TO DO GENERAL REQUIREMENTS FOR THIS TYPE OF USE.
'CAUSE WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEIR, AS MUCH AS HE'S TRYING TO EXPLAIN HIS OPERATIONS, HE DOESN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT HIS OPERATION'S GONNA LOOK LIKE IN TWO YEARS.
SO AGAIN, I THINK THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO RELY, WE NEED TO KEEP THIS AS AN SUP NUMBER ONE.
THIS IS BECOMING, AS WE TALK ABOUT THIS, BECOMING MORE AND MORE AWARE THAT THIS IS GONNA HAVE TO BE AN SUP IN THE LOADING ZONE AND THE PARKING AND UH, NUMBER OF DRONES.
ALL THAT SHOULD BE SITE SPECIFIC AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT STAFF SHOULD, UM, UM, BE ENGAGING WITH THE APPLICANT ON TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT THEIR DESCRIBED USE IS, IS WHAT IS GOING TO BE APPROPRIATE FOR THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY.
SO I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY GONNA BE HEAVY SUP DEPENDENT, IN FACT AN SUP, THE REASON WE HAVE SUVS, THERE'S PROBABLY FOR SOMETHING JUST LIKE THIS, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
AND JUST TO CHIME OUT, WE LOOKED UP PLANOS CODE HERE THAT THEY, AND THEY ACTUALLY DO INCLUDE LOADING SPACES, UH, ARE REQUIRED IF IT'S A PRIMARY USE AND THEY REQUIRE ONE SPACE
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PER A THOUSAND FEET OF FLOOR AREA OF STORAGE, PARKING OR PARKING.IT'S A ONE SPACE PER THOUSAND FEET OF FLOOR AREA STORAGE FOR THE WAREHOUSING, PLUS ONE FOR 301 PER 300 FEET.
IF THERE'S AN OFFICE OR A CUSTOMER SERVICE OR OTHER AREA INCLUDED IN THAT WITH A MINIMUM OF ONE BARKING SPACE REQUIRED, WOULD JOB, WOULD THE COMMITTEE BE INTERESTED IN ME, UM, INCORPORATING THE PLANOS INTO THAT? WELL, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY THE, THE OFFICE PIECE, WE COULD ADDRESS THAT WITH THE SUP, BUT I'D BE GOOD FOR ONE MINIMUM PARKING SPACE AND THEN ONE PER THOUSAND.
I'D LIKE TO SEE A, A LOADING SPACE CORPORATE ALSO INCLUDE JUST BECAUSE THERE'S A VAN OR DELIVERY OR DROP OFF OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IS, ARE, UM, PLANOS REGULATIONS ON LOADING, UM, SPACES, ARE THEY, THEY SEEM REASONABLE TO YOU.
IT IS LOADING SPACE REQUIRED PER THEIR STANDARD REQUIREMENTS FOR COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL RETAIL AREAS.
SO I'D HAVE TO LOOK UP THEIR, BUT YEAH, IT, IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE OKAY.
ONE OTHER THING I WANNA TALK ABOUT ACCOUNTS ALSO IS OUR COMMITTEE IS THE OPERATION HOURS WE HAVE, UH, I KNOW YOU'VE PROBABLY GOTTEN NOISE VARIANCE REQUESTS AND THEY USUALLY GO UNTIL 10:00 PM I'M FINE.
I TO SEE IT EXTEND OPERATIONS.
IF WE WANNA GO AS LATE AS 10:00 PM FOR THESE HUBS, WE'VE ALREADY HAD SPACE AND REQUIREMENTS OUT FROM THOSE AREAS.
WE HAVE, UH, VARIANCES THAT GO TO 10:00 PM SO THAT'S KIND OF A NUMBER WE'RE ALREADY USING IN OUR ORDINANCES.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK IN THE FUTURE, ONCE THE RESTAURANT ARM OF THIS THING GETS MOVING, THE EIGHT PM'S GONNA BE TOO EARLY FOR IT TO BE FUNCTIONAL.
UM, AND I'D I'D SAY COMPROMISE AT NINE.
UM, I I ALSO, IF THEY PROVIDE, ARE, ARE WE REQUIRING A SOUND PER THIS? ARE WE REQUIRING A SOUND STUDY FOR EVERY NO, JUST UP THERE UNDERNEATH THEIR MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS? WE COULD, I MEAN IF Y IF THIS IS SOMETHING Y'ALL WANNA DO, Y'ALL COULD REQUIRE A SOUND STUDY.
I WOULD SAY I COULD GO UNTIL 10.
IF EV IF THEY ALL HAVE A SOUND STUDY, I WOULD BE OKAY STAYING AT NINE OR EIGHT IF THERE IS NO SOUND STUDY INCLUDED.
SO, UM, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE.
WELL, OKAY, IF THERE, LET'S SAY HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING IT'S 400 FEET AWAY FROM THE NEAREST RESIDENTIAL AREA.
I I MEAN, OR LET'S SAY IT'S A THOUSAND FEET, RIGHT? ARE WE DOING THE SOUND STUDY FROM THE NEAREST RESIDENTIAL AREA OR WHERE ARE WE DOING THE SOUND STUDY FROM? SO, SO THE SOUND STUDY, THE IDEA BEHIND THE SIGN STUDY IN THIS IS IF THEY WERE TO ASK REQUEST THAT THEY GET A WAIVER OF SORTS FOR THE MINIMUM, UM, DISTANCE, UM, I GUESS IT'S THE MAXIMUM DISTANCE, RIGHT? SO THAT WOULDN'T BE AN AND SO, AND SO, AND, AND THE IDEA IS YOU DON'T WANT TO, 'CAUSE NONE OF THE OTHER CITIES ARE REQUIRING SOUND STUDIES FOR THEIR, THEIR SUVS.
THE IDEA IS, OKAY, THERE'S NO REASON TO REQUIRE AN EXTRA EXPENSE FOR SOUND STUDIES IF WE'RE REGULATING THROUGH DISTANCE.
BUT IF YOU WANT, IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE BECAUSE OF YOUR OPERATIONS OR BECAUSE OF THE LAYOUT OF YOUR PROPERTY, THE LOCATION OF THE, OF THE UM, UM, LAUNCHING AREA IS BETWEEN THE BUILDING AND THE RESIDENTIAL PLACE, THEN MAYBE YOU DON'T, UM, MAYBE THAT DISTANCE IS TOO FAR AND YOU, AND IT'S OKAY.
WELL THAT'S WHEN YOU'RE, WE'RE GONNA REQUIRE YOU TO SPEND A LITTLE EXTRA MO UH, MONEY TO SHOW US THAT THAT SOUND ISN'T GONNA BE A PROBLEM FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO THAT'S THE IDEA OF THE SOUND STUDY.
THAT'S THE REASON IT'S NOT REQUIRED EVERYWHERE.
BUT I THINK MARGARET WAS SAYING EVERYWHERE, WEREN'T YOU? I WAS SAYING IF IT'S, IF IT'S GOING TO BE OPERATING LATE, UM, EVEN IF YOU WANTED TO EXTEND IT TO LIKE MIDNIGHT, IF IT'S OPERATING LATE, WE NEED TO KNOW HOW BAD IT'S GONNA BE.
'CAUSE LATER IT IS THE QUIETER IT IS.
AMBIENT NOISE IS LOWER, SO THE SOUND OF THE DRONE WILL BE MORE INTENSE.
RIGHT? I MEAN THAT'S JUST THE NATURE.
KEEP IN MIND ALSO THAT I PUT THAT CATCHALL PROVISION THAT SAYS, LISTEN, THERE'S NOTHING IN THIS ORDINANCE OR ANY SUP FOR THAT MATTER THAT'S GOING TO ALLOW YOU TO EXCEED THE LEVELS THAT'S, UM, UM, UM, UNDER OUR CODE OF ORDINANCES.
AND SO IF THEY, IF IF AN SUP COMES IN AND THEY WANNA OPERATE TILL 10:00 PM AND THE COUNCIL SAYS YES, I THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE, UM, THEY NEED TO BE AWARE THAT OKAY, WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING THE EFFECT YOU'RE DESCRIBING BECAUSE OF NIGHTTIME, HOW THESE THINGS, THE, THE, THE NOISE LEVEL'S GONNA BE GREATER FROM A FARTHER DIS A FARTHER DISTANCE SOUND TRAVELS FARTHER AT NIGHT, THEN UM, THEY NEED TO BE AWARE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CITY CAN COME IN AND SHUT THAT DOWN.
UM, THE LATER IT GETS, IF THEY FI IF WE START GETTING COMPLAINTS FROM NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE START FIGURING OUT THAT YEAH, THE NOISE IS TOO LOUD.
AND SO WE, WE'D HAVE AN OPTION EITHER WRITING THEM CITATIONS UNTIL THEY SHUT DOWN OR WE COULD ACTUALLY PULL THE SUP.
I'M, I'M STILL OKAY WITH WRITING THE TIME UNTIL 9:00 PM I MEAN, IF THEY WANTED TO USE, YOU KNOW, IN THEIR
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SUP GET SOME KIND OF VARIANCE.BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE THE TIME LIMITED TO 9:00 PM ON THE 9:00 PM IS THAT 9:00 PM I WISH THAT WAS THE, THEY WERE RUNNING LAST NIGHT WHEN I COULDN'T FIND MY DAUGHTER'S TOOTHBRUSH AFTER COMING BACK FROM OUTTA TOWN.
SO YEAH, I HAD TO RUN TO THE STORE FOR THAT.
I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE ONE INSTEAD OF MAKING A TRIP TO THE STORE.
BUT, UH, I THINK THAT'S ALL THE ITEMS I HAVE IN THERE.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT COMMITTEE WISH TO ADDRESS IN THIS ORDINANCE? NO.
REALLY APPRECIATE THE GUYS COMING OUT.
IT'S GREAT TO HAVE THE INFORMATION AND UH, I THINK WE'RE ON THE RIGHT PATH HERE.
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS UP, DYLAN.
HAVE WE GIVEN YOU ENOUGH FEEDBACK? IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT US TO LOOK AT? I'M, I'LL LOOK AT PLANO FOR THE PARKING AND LOADING.
COME UP WITH SOME LANGUAGE THERE.
UM, UM, AND I THINK THAT Y'ALL GIVEN ME ENOUGH TO GO AT SECOND DRAFT HERE.
DO Y'ALL WANT IT TO COME BACK HERE OR DO Y'ALL WANT IT TO GO TO COUNSEL BACK HERE OR WHAT DO YOU THINK? I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT IT.
ALRIGHT, WELL THAT'S THE ONLY ITEM THAT WE HAD FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION THEN AT 4 54 WE ARE ADJOURNED.