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LET'S, UH, LET'S CALL IMMEDIATE ORDER HERE.[ NOTICE OF MEETING CITY OF GARLAND, TEXAS BOND STUDY COMMITTEE Goldie Locke Community Room of the Charles E. Duckworth Utility Building 217 N. Fifth Street Garland, Texas September 26, 2024 at 6:00 p.m. A meeting of the Bond Study Committee of the City of Garland, Texas will be held on Thursday, September 26, 2024 at 6:00 p.m. at 217 N. Fifth Street, Garland, Texas in the Goldie Locke Community Room of Charles E. Duckworth Utility Building.]
GREAT CONCERT, WE GOTTA GO TO DALLAS.ALRIGHT, LET'S GET, UH, STARTED.
I'M CHAIR OF THE BOND STUDY COMMITTEE.
WE GAVE LETITIA A LITTLE EXTRA TIME FOR INTERNET ACCESS.
UH, IT IS SEPTEMBER 26TH, 2024.
WE DO HAVE A QUORUM OF THE COMMITTEE HERE TONIGHT.
AND SO, UM, WE WILL GO FIRST TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
ANYONE HERE TONIGHT, UH, WANNA, UH, OFFER PUBLIC COMMENT? I DON'T SEE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS TONIGHT.
SO WE WILL GO ON TO, UH, UH, THE MEETING LOGISTICS.
UH, THANK YOU ALL FOR LAST WEEK.
UH, DIDN'T HAVE A SINGLE CELL PHONE GO OFF.
ALMOST EVERYBODY IS ABLE TO USE THE MICROPHONE UP NICE AND CLOSE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ONE PERSON ON THE LIBRARY BOARD.
AND SO IF YOU COULD BE REALLY CLOSE TO YOUR MICROPHONE, THAT PERSON, UH, THAT WILL CERTAINLY HELP THE GROUP ON THIS SIDE OF THE ROOM.
SORRY KRISTEN, I COULDN'T HELP YOU,
ALRIGHT, UH, LET'S GO ON TO APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.
DO YOU HAVE A COPY OF THE MINUTES IN FRONT OF YOU? IF YOU'VE HAD A MOMENT TO READ THOSE? ANY CORRECTIONS TO THE MINUTES? OKAY.
MOTION TO APPROVE BY, UH, VICE CHAIR DUCKWORTH, SECOND BY MARY BRUMBAUGH.
ANY OBJECTIONS? SEEING NONE, THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY.
ITEM FOUR IS ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION.
WE'LL, UH, ADDRESS QUESTIONS FROM THE SEPTEMBER 9TH MEETING.
UH, EPTEMBER 19TH, SEPTEMBER 19TH MEETING.
I DO NOT HAVE THE INFORMATION YOU DID.
SO MY, MY THE QUESTION, UH, I'M ANSWER IS IT, SO WHEN WE REACH OUT TO DAR, THEY DIDN'T REALLY HAVE THOSE DETAIL INFORMATION.
HOWEVER, WE HAVE IN OUR OFFICE, WE HAVE SOME DATA SOURCE, UH, TRACKING AND, UH, CELL PHONE DATA.
THERE IS SOME, UM, DIFFERENCE IN THE RIDERSHIP, BUT OVERALL FOR THE, UH, DOWNTOWN, UH, STATION, THE GARLAND RESIDENCE IS ABOUT 62%.
THOSE TOTAL RIDERSHIP AND THE GARLAND RESIDENTS USING THOSE DAR IS 62% VERSUS FOREST JUPITER, BECAUSE OF THE LOCATION IS VERY CLOSE TO EAST DALLAS.
AND, UM, CLOSE TO RICHARDSON GARLAND RESIDENTS, STILL THE TOP OF THE PERCENTAGE WISE IS GARLAND RESIDENCE IS 35%, IS A GARLAND RESIDENCE.
BUT NEXT ONE IS LAKE HIGHLAND AREA, WHICH IS 6 35.
AND ALIA, THAT AREA, THERE'S A DALLAS SIDE.
THERE'S A MORE, THE SECOND, UH, LARGEST RIDERSHIP, WHICH IS ABOUT 14% COMING FROM.
AND WHAT DOES THAT, OH, THE TOTAL RIDERSHIP, WELL, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING LAST WEEK I HEARD, I THINK THE DOWNTOWN MONEY IS TWO 50,000 ISH, WHATEVER WE HAVE THE LAST TWO WE ANSWERED THAT LAST ONE.
ANYWAY, SO TOTAL RIDER SHOULD BE 62%, UH, FROM DOWNTOWN, 35% FROM
YES, I THINK, UH, YOU TOLD ME ACTUALLY.
BUT WE CONFIRMED THAT FROM THE WALNUT, UH, OFFICE, UH, THE POST OFFICE.
AND THEY SAID, UH, BECAUSE OF THE, UH, STORM DAMAGE MS. DAVIS, THEY GOT IN THE END OF MAY, BEGINNING OF JUNE, THEY'RE UNDER RENOVATION.
UH, THEN, UH, PROBABLY THEY'RE GONNA CLOSE THREE TO FOUR MONTHS, BUT THEN THEY WILL THE OPEN.
THIS NEXT ONE WAS RELATED TO LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT SALES TAX BEING CONFIDENTIAL AND NOT HAVING REAL GOOD DETAILS.
WE DO HAVE SOME TOOLS TO, TO SHOW YOU THIS.
AND MY THOUGHT WAS I CAN BRING THIS AT THE NEXT MEETING BY CATALYST AREA.
BASED OFF THE INFORMATION WE HAVE AT A HIGH LEVEL, WHERE ARE PEOPLE SPENDING THEIR MONEY, HOW MUCH IS IT, WHERE'S IT GOING?
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SO WE'LL BRING THAT BACK, UH, AT THE NEXT MEETING BASED ON EACH CATALYST AREA.AND THEN, UM, WITH REGARD TO BROADWAY, I'M SORRY, BECKY KING, MANAGING DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY AND NEIGHBORHOOD BELT.
UM, WITH REGARD TO DRIVEWAY CENTER, MILL AREA, I ACTUALLY HAVE A SLIDE IN OUR NEXT SUBJECT THAT I'LL HAVE ONE OR TWO TALKING POINTS.
SO IF IT WOULD BE OKAY TO ADDRESS THAT.
YEAH, IF YOU'VE GOT SLIDES THAT'LL ADDRESS THE QUESTION.
LET'S GO TO ITEM B THERE AND DOWN.
UM, WHO'S, UH, YEAH, SO, SO, UH, CORRIDOR, SO AT OUR FIRST MEETING, UM, I THINK I SHOWED YOU A LOT OF EXAMPLES OF TWO PROGRAMS. ONE WAS A CORRIDOR PROGRAM, THE OTHER WAS THE VITALITY PROGRAM.
AND SO NOW WE'RE CIRCLING BACK TO DIG INTO CORRIDORS IN A LITTLE MORE, UM, DEPTH IN REGARDS TO HOW THAT PROGRAM MIGHT WORK GOING FORWARD.
SO THIS SLIDE YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN, UM, I'M JUST PUT IT UP HERE AS A REMINDER OF WHY.
SO IF YOU'LL RECALL BACK TO THAT FIRST MEETING, WE TALKED ABOUT ALL THE RESEARCH WE'VE DONE IN GARLAND'S IMAGE, THE RESEARCH, UM, THAT, THAT COMPANIES LIKE GALLUP HAVE DONE WHAT DRIVES PEOPLE'S OPINIONS AND ATTACHMENT TO A COMMUNITY.
AND THEY CAME BACK WITH THE THREE MAIN DRIVERS WERE THINGS TO DO, APPEARANCE AND OPENNESS OF THE COMMUNITY.
UM, AND THEN WE TALKED SPECIFICALLY ABOUT HOW THE CONDITION OF THE CORRIDORS IMPACT INVESTMENT DECISIONS AND THEY IMPACT NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY AS WELL.
SO, UM, JUST BRIEFLY AGAIN, PEOPLE MAKE INVESTMENT DECISIONS, NOT JUST ABOUT THE HOUSE, THE UNIT STRUCTURE, IT'S ABOUT THE AREA.
EVEN OUTSIDE THAT IMMEDIATE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD, IF THEY'RE CHOOSING A LIFESTYLE, THEY'RE ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, THINKING THEY, THEY GET IMPRESSIONS ABOUT THE SAFETY, ABOUT THE QUALITY OF LIFE BASED ON THE CONDITION OF THE CORRIDORS THEY DRIVE THROUGH ON THE WAY THERE.
UM, THIS, THIS NEXT TO LAST BULLET POINT, LAST WEEK I HAD SOMEBODY TELL ME THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SELL A HOUSE IN AN OLDER PART OF GARLAND, PRETTY LARGE HOUSE.
AND FEEDBACK FROM THEIR REALTOR IS THAT A LOT OF THE PEOPLE ARE RULING THE HOUSE OUT BEFORE THEY EVEN DRIVE.
AND IT'S BECAUSE OF DRIVE TO THE HOUSE.
SO TIME, BUT IT'S ALSO COMMERCIAL TOO, RIGHT? LIKE IF YOU'RE GONNA OPEN EVEN A LOCAL BUSINESS PERSON, YOU'RE LOOKING AROUND AND GET THE REST OF THE PROPERTIES IN THE AREA AND JUDGING WHETHER YOUR INVESTMENTS SAFE.
UH, BECKY, WE HAVE A QUESTION WHILE YOU'RE WAITING ON THAT.
UH, TONY, SO IS, UH, HOW MUCH IMPACT DOES, WHETHER IT'S THE RESIDENTIAL, THE RESIDENTIAL AREA IS HOME OWNED, OWNER OWNED OR RENTAL FACTOR INTO LET'S SAY, UH, WHATEVER PROJECT ANYBODY MIGHT HAVE IN MIND, UH, WHAT'S YOUR EXPERIENCE ON THAT? I, I WOULD HAVE TO GO, I CAN'T GIVE YOU A DEFINITIVE ANSWER IN TERMS OF INVESTMENT.
UM, I WILL TELL YOU THAT, YOU KNOW, IN THE RESEARCH WE'VE DONE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE THE DRIVING FACTOR.
BUT TO GET MORE SPECIFIC THAN THAT, I HAVE TO GO.
SO, UM, ON OFF THE PRESSES TODAY, UH, YOU'RE GONNA SEE WE, WE ARE ACTIVELY WORKING ON PUTTING TOGETHER A CORRIDORS AND GATEWAYS MASTER PLAN.
AND, UH, WE HAVE ENGAGED TBG PARTNERS AS A CONSULTANT TO HELP US PULL TOGETHER THE DESIGN STANDARDS THAT WILL
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FEED THAT MASTER PLAN.AND, UM, WE ACTUALLY, WHEN I SAY TODAY, WE, WE GOT TO SEE SOME OF THE IMAGES.
YOU'RE GONNA SEE, WE ONLY SAW IT IN TODAY, UM, BACK.
UM, SO I, I WILL TELL YOU THESE IMAGES ARE CONCEPTS.
THEY'RE VERY EARLY, UM, AND YOU KNOW, THEY'RE STILL IN DESIGN AND I, MOST IMPORTANTLY, I DON'T GET THAT COST ESTIMATES ON IT.
SO JUST, UM, TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AS WE GO THROUGH THIS.
UM, BUT WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE DOING IN THE MASTER PLAN IS, UH, I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, SHOW YOU SOME CORRIDOR CLASSIFICATIONS THAT WE'VE COME UP WITH.
WE'VE INVENTORIED AND CLASSIFIED ON THE MAJOR CORRIDORS IN GARLAND.
UM, WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT INVENTORY AND WHAT A PHASED WORK PLAN MIGHT LOOK LIKE FOR GATEWAYS, CORRIDORS, AND MAJOR INTERSECTION.
UM, AND THEN ALSO AS I MENTIONED, TB G'S WORKING ON, ON A NEW DESIGN STANDARD THAT THAT IS UNIQUELY BARGAIN.
UM, AND THEN I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE DO ACTUALLY HAVE TWO CORRIDORS THAT WE'RE ACTIVELY WORKING ON.
WE'RE USING SOME 2019 BOND FUNDS IN CONJUNCTION WITH SOME OTHER SPECIAL FUNDING COURSES.
UM, THAT ENABLES US TO GO AHEAD AND CONFIRM THOSE.
SO, UH, FOREST LANE, PART OF IT IS IN T ONE.
SO TIF ONE IS CONTRIBUTING TO THAT EFFORT.
AND THEN
AND SO WE HAVE, UM, $310,000 FROM THE STATE OF TEXAS GONNA GO TOWARDS, UH, LANDSCAPING OF HIGHWAY 60.
SO IT'LL JUST BE THE PORTION, IT'S T RIGHT AWAY.
SO NICK SWITCHES OVER TO CITY STREET THAT
ONE MORE QUESTION RIGHT HERE FROM LINDSAY.
UM, THE, UH, I BELIEVE YOU MENTIONED THE CRITERIA INTO, UH, THE PLAN FOR LOOKING AT LIKE WHICH GATEWAYS AND CORRIDORS.
UH, IS THAT ALSO, MAYBE I MISSED IT, UH, TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE STREET, I FORGET WHAT THEY CALL IT, THE QUALITY INDEX THAT THEY DID, THAT'S ACTUALLY SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CORRIDORS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOT STREET REPLACEMENT OR STREET, BUT, BUT I'M JUST, 'CAUSE LIKE IF THEY GO IN AND DO ALL THIS STUFF AROUND IT AND THEN THEY HAVE TO COME IN AND TEAR UP THE STREETS, COULD THAT AFFECT? WE WILL COORDINATE ONE ONCE WE HAVE OUR PRIORITY LIST THAT YOU'LL SEE THAT AS A BULLET POINT COORDINATING WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE DEPARTMENTS AND THEIR SCHEDULES AND THEIR PLANS.
SO THIS CORRIDOR INVESTMENT CLASSIFICATION SYSTEM, UM, IT REALLY IS ABOUT DEFINING THE OVERALL CONDITION APPROACH AND LIKELIHOOD, FUNDING WISE, THE STRATEGY TO BE NECESSARY TO TACKLE EQUITY.
SO, UM, ULTIMATELY, BECAUSE WE'RE ALSO WORKING ON A NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN RIGHT NOW, WE JUST STARTED THAT EFFORT AS WELL.
AND SO THIS MAP WILL BE PART OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT POSSIBLY CREATING OVERLAY DISTRICTS ON SOME OF THESE COURTS.
SO LEMME JUST KIND OF A LOT OF COLORS.
SO I'M JUST GONNA TALK THROUGH WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE.
SO, UM, A REDEVELOPMENT CORRIDOR, THAT MEANS THAT THE CORRIDOR IS DOMINATED BY AGING IN UNDERPERFORMING OR DISTRESSED PROPERTIES, OR USES THAT REQUIRE MULTIPLE LARGE REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS.
THIS MIGHT INCLUDE THINGS LIKE SCRAPING REBUILD TO MAKE A NOTABLE IMPACT ON THE CONDITION OF THE OVERALL FOREST.
SO HIGHLY COLLABORATED WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UM, IN THOSE CORRIDORS.
AND COUPLE EXAMPLES I WOULD GIVE OUR WALNUT STREET AND, UM, SOUTH GARDEN AVENUE.
WE'VE ALREADY HEARD OF COURSE FROM PLANNING AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ON SOME OF THE THINGS CATALYST PROJECTS OR SMALL AREA PLANS THAT THEY HAVE BUILT IN THOSE AREAS.
THEN YELLOW, THOSE ARE REVITALIZATION CORRIDORS.
SO THEY'RE AS A MIX OF OUTDATED OR POORLY MAINTAINED UNDERPERFORMING PROPERTIES, BUT SHOWS SIGNS OF INVESTMENT IN NEW DEVELOPMENT OR UPGRADING PROPERTIES, A COORDINATED TASK FORCE OF CODE COMPLIANCE BESIDE GRANTS AND RIGHT OF WAY IMPROVEMENTS MAY BE SUFFICIENT
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IN IMPROVING THE CONDITION OF THAT COURT.SO AN EXAMPLE THAT WE BROAD, SO OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS WE'VE ACTUALLY SEEN A LOT OF PRIVATE INVESTMENT, UM, WELL I'LL SAY BROADWAY, IT'S BROADWAY FIRST
UM, TO ME IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ALL THE SAME.
UM, BUT FIRST STREET IN PARTICULAR, YOU'VE SEEN A LOT OF PRIVATE REINVESTMENT ON THEIR OWN AND, YOU KNOW, RECONSTRUCTING AND UPDATING SOME OF THOSE REALLY OLD SHOPPING SCENES THERE.
UM, GREEN, THAT'S THE NATURAL OR SCENIC CORRIDORS.
AND THE SHORTEST, SHORTEST WAY I KNOW TO DESCRIBE THAT'S KIND OF LIKE A HIPPOCRATIC OATH, YOU KNOW, FOR THE DOCTOR IS FIRST STUDENT HARM.
SO THESE ARE AREAS THAT EITHER HAVE A LOT OF NATURAL BEAUTY OR COULD, UM, AND WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS HIGHLIGHT THAT, UM, OR EVEN BOLSTER THE CONNECTIONS TO MAYBE THERE'S A LOT OF NATURAL ASSETS IN NEARBY THAT, THAT AREN'T READILY VISIBLE FROM THE CORRIDOR.
UM, SO THAT IS WHAT, THOSE ARE AN EXAMPLES THAT WOULD BE DUCK CREEK BLUE.
THOSE ARE BRANDING AND BEAUTIFICATION CORRIDORS.
AND SO BASICALLY WHAT THAT'S SAYING IS THEY'RE IN PRETTY GOOD CONDITION AS THEY ARE, BUT WE NEED, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO BE FOCUSED ON JUST, UM, CLAIMING THEM AS GARLANDS.
'CAUSE A LOT OF THEM AREN'T BRAND.
A LOT OF THE, YOU'LL SEE IN A MINUTE, A LOT OF THE NEWER COMMUNITY DEVELOPED PARTS OF GARLANDS DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE GATEWAYS, GATEWAY SIGNAGE, UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, JUST SOME STANDARD, UH, ATTENTION TO, UH, LANDSCAPE.
THESE ARE ICONIC OR SPECIAL DISTRICTS THAT MAY HAVE THEIR OWN UNIQUE BRANDING OR THEIR OWN UNIQUE DESIGN STANDARD.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, YOU'LL SEE PURPLE HERE IN THE CENTER OF DOWNTOWN, RIGHT HERE AT THE MEDICAL DISTRICT DOWN HERE AT HARBOR POINT, AND THEN UP HERE AT FIRE TOWN CITY.
SO I'LL USE DOWNTOWN, YOU'RE MOST FAMILIAR WITH IT, BUT IT ACTUALLY HAS ITS OWN SET OF DOWNTOWN URBAN DESIGN STANDARDS.
SO IF YOU NOTICE THE STREETSCAPE, DOWNTOWN'S VERY DIFFERENT THAN IT'S IN THE REST OF THE CITY, AND THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S UNIQUELY BRAND NEW.
THIS IS AN INVENTORY, UH, GATEWAYS IN GARDEN.
THE PINK ONES ARE THE ONES THAT EXIST TODAY.
UM, SO IF YOU DROVE PAST ONE OF THOSE PINK POINTS, YOU WOULD ACTUALLY SEE SOME SORT OF GARLAND GATEWAY SIGN.
BUT THEY, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE NECESSARILY, UM, STANDARDIZED.
THEY WERE PUT UP AT DIFFERENT POINTS IN TIME IN OUR HISTORY.
MOST OF THEM ARE THOSE, UH, GRAYISH MEDALLIONS, BUT NOT ALL THE ORANGE ONE.
WE HAVE ONE MINOR GATEWAY SIGN THAT IS NEWER AND IT IS DOWN HERE AT NORTHWEST HIGHWAY OF THE PRODUCT I REMEMBERING CORRECTLY.
UM, THE GREEN ONES ARE CONNECTOR, GATEWAY SIGN SIGNS.
SO IF, UM, LEAVING DOWNTOWN NOT NOTICED IT AT THE GATEWAY ENTRANCES TO DOWNTOWN, THERE ARE UNIQUE DISTRICT GATEWAY SIGNS TO TELL YOU YOU'VE ARRIVED IN THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC.
UM, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE ONE, I SHOWED YOU GUYS AN IMAGE OF IT A FEW WEEKS BACK OF ROSE HILL.
SO ROSE HILL WAS ACTUALLY HIS OWN COMMUNITY BEFORE IT WAS INCORPORATED INTO GARLAND AND THEY WANTED TO HONOR THAT HISTORY.
AND SO THERE'S ACTUALLY A GATEWAY SIGN THERE WHERE THE, IT WAS THE EPICENTER WHERE THEIR COMMUNITY STORE AND EVERYTHING WAS IN
SO IF YOU NOTICE NO GATEWAY SIGNS IN MOST OF, UM, THE NORTH AND ALL DOWN.
OKAY, SO I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM,
SO PART OF WHAT WE'RE DOING IN THAT MASTER PLAN IS WE'RE INVENTORYING ALL OF THESE THINGS.
AND THEN THE NEXT TASK IS TO PRIORITIZING.
UM, SO JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA HOW WE'RE APPROACHING THE PRIORITIZATION TASK, WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL OF THESE THINGS HERE.
TRAFFIC COUNTS, VISITOR PATHWAYS, THEY'RE NOT ALWAYS THE SAME.
SO, UM, TRAFFIC COUNT IS LITERALLY
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THAT YOU'RE SEEING THE THING PEOPLE DRIVE OVER INTO TRACKING CARS.UM, THE INFORMATION THAT IKO JUST GAVE YOU ABOUT DAR RIDERSHIP IS ACTUALLY COMING FROM A DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGY THAT LOOKS AT CELL PHONES AND SO THAT DIGITAL PATHWAYS.
AND SO THEY'RE LOOKING JUST PEOPLE COMING FROM OUTSIDE OF GARLAND INTO GARLAND WHERE THEY'RE GOING, UM, RESIDENTIAL MIGRATION PATTERNS, THAT IS TALKING ABOUT WHERE WE ARE GETTING FEEDBACK FROM THE REAL ESTATE COMMUNITY WHERE THE HOUSING MARKET WANTS TO COME.
UM, AND SO AS WE TALKED ABOUT, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE ISSUES IN THE PAST OF HOW DO WE DRIVE FROM SALES TAX? WELL, IT'S, IT'S TWO THINGS, VISITORS FOR ONE, BUT TWO, WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT HOUSEHOLD DISCRETIONARY INCOME THAT ATTRACTS THE COMMERCIAL BUSINESS TO BEGIN WITH TO GENERATE THE SALES TAX FROM.
SO WE'RE GONNA, THOSE TWO THINGS.
WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT STRATEGIC ADJACENCIES.
SO ALL OF THESE CATALYST AREA AND SMALL AREA PLANS THAT, THAT YOU'VE ALL BEEN HEARING ABOUT THE LAST SEVERAL WEEKS, THOSE PROXIMITY TO, TO THOSE INVESTMENT PLANS IS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT.
UM, BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, A BALANCED PORTFOLIO OF QUICK WINS.
AND THEN THE LONGER TERM HIGH IMPACT BUT DIFFICULT TO DELIVER, UM, IS WE WANT PEOPLE TO FEEL GOOD ABOUT BOND PROGRAM THAT THEY VOTED FOR.
WE WANTED TO SEE SOMETHING EARLY ON, BUT SOME OF THE THINGS YEAH, MAY TAKE TIME.
AND THEN COORDINATION WITH OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS.
SO WE'LL COME UP WITH OUR PRIORITIZATION.
THIS IS WHAT WE THINK IT OUGHT TO BE, BUT THEN WE'LL GO HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, THE REALITY CHECK
SO SCHEDULING MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE IN THE ORDER OF PRIORITY.
UM, AND AN INTERSECTION ENHANCEMENT.
SO YOU MAY HAVE A KEY INTERSECTION IS REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE, FOR EXAMPLE, TWO MAJOR CORRIDORS CROSS IT MAY GET MORE ATTENTION THAN THE REST OF THE CORRIDOR.
OR, UM, YOU MAY HAVE AREAS THAT ARE VERY DESPERATE AND ORIENTED.
SO MAYBE THEY NEED AN ENHANCED CROSSWALK FOR SOME OF THE OTHER INTERSECTIONS DON'T, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A CHEAP ENDEAVOR.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO REALLY PRIORITIZE WHERE WE TRY TO DO, UM, INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND THEN OF COURSE, IT'S PART OF A CATALYST FOR SMALL AREA PLAN.
YOU'VE SEEN SOME OF THOSE EXAMPLES WHERE THEY'VE ACTUALLY, UM, HAD THEIR OWN, UM, DESIGNS THAT THEY'RE, THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
SO CENTER HILL BROADWAY, I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL CAN TELL THAT'S THIS INTERSECTION HERE.
THAT IS ONE OF THE INTERSECTIONS THAT THE TBG PARTNERS ARE LOOKING AT AND PROPOSING SOME, UM, ENHANCEMENTS TO, YOU'LL NOTICE IT'S THE LIMITED AREA CORRIDOR.
SO IS THE ONE UP HERE, JU PUTTER BELT LINE.
THIS IS AN INTERIOR KEY INTERSECTION.
THEY BOTH HAVE NOT A LOT OF SPACE TO WORK.
SO JUST VEGETATION SOLUTION IS GONNA BE DIFFICULT BECAUSE IT'S MOSTLY CONCRETE AND REALLY SMALL.
SO, UM, THEY ARE STUDYING THESE TWO, UM, AREAS AMONGST OTHERS.
THE OTHER THING I WOULD POINT OUT, SO THIS IS, THIS IS BROADWAY, THIS IS CENTERVILLE.
SO THIS PROPERTY OWNER AND ONE OF THESE PROPERTY OWNERS IN HERE IS ONE AND THE SAME.
AND THERE ARE ACTIVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM ABOUT POSSIBLY PARTICIPATING IN THE FACADE REVITALIZATION TAB.
AND SO I CAN'T PROMISE THAT ALL THOSE CONVERSATIONS WILL GO BUT
UM, AND THEN THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF LOOKING AT EACH OF THESE DOTS IS TELLING US WHAT THE TRAFFIC COUNT IS.
SO, UH, THE LARGER THE DOT, THE YELLOW ONE IS LARGER THAN THE GREEN.
YOU SEE ALL THESE DOTS THAT'S TELLING US THE TRAFFIC COUNT AND IT'S OVERLAID OVER, YOU KNOW, WHAT STRATEGIC PROPERTIES OR EFFORTS THE CITY MAY HAVE GOING.
SO THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE WILL GO ABOUT MAKING PRIORITIZATION.
SO A QUICK QUESTION ON THAT FOR YOU.
JUMP, UM, AT THE BELTLINE AND JUPITER.
SO I'M LOOKING AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER, WHICH IS KIND OF THE WEST OF THAT PICTURE.
THAT IS THE, UH, DUCK CREEK, DUCK CREEK GOLF COURSE.
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RIGHT THERE, IT IS LAND, BUT NOT REALLY PART OF THE GOLF COURSE.THERE'S NO HOLE, THERE'S NO PATH, THERE'S NO NOTHING.
THERE'S A BIG SPOT RIGHT THERE WHERE WE COULD PUT UP A BIG SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE, UH, RIGHT IN THAT SPOT.
SO THE OTHER THREE CORNERS, I COMPLETELY AGREE, VERY COMPACT, VERY DENSE.
THE, THE CALI SAIGON MALL ON THE NORTH SIDE IS PRETTY PACKED.
THERE'S A CHANNEL THAT RUNS THROUGH THERE THAT ALSO LIMITS WHAT WE CAN DO.
BUT I THINK THAT'S A GOOD SPOT FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS RIGHT ON AN ENTRYWAY AS YOU, AS YOU GO EAST ON BELTLINE, SOMETIMES, SOMETIMES NOT.
I, LINDSAY, LINDSAY, UH, JUST A QUICK CLARIFICATION ON THE, UM, I THINK ON BOTH OF THOSE, THEY LIST, UH, EXISTING PAVED MEDIAN TO BE ENHANCED.
'CAUSE YOU MENTIONED 'CAUSE LIKE THEY'RE THESE SMALL NARROW PAVED MEDIANS.
SO WHAT IS, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN,
SO ONE OF THE POSSIBILITIES IS TO COME IN WHICH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A CURVE AND CONCRETE AND A CURVE.
I'M NOT ENGINEERED, I DON'T DESCRIBE THAT, RIGHT? BUT, UM, YOU COULD COME IN TO THE INTERIOR OF THAT AND PUT PAVERS FOR SOME SORT OF COLORED CONCRETE TREATMENT FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO BRING, TO BREAK UP THE PLANE.
AND IT MAKES IT MORE VISUALLY APPEAL.
PAINT THE CONCRETE GREEN AND WE CUT SOME GRASS.
BOB DUCKWORTH, UH, ON THE CENTERVILLE BROADWAY, UH, IS KINGSLEY GOING AWAY? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF.
WHAT'S THE QUESTION? WHAT? ARE THERE ANY PLANS FOR KINGSLEY TO GO AWAY? NO, IT'S NOT ON THE MOUNT THERE, IT'S NOT ON THE DRAWING.
OH, IT'S, IT'S RIGHT BACK HERE.
BUT THIS, THIS PROPERTY YOU CAN KINGLEY WRAPS AROUND.
I THOUGHT IT CAME RIGHT INTO THE INTERSECTION.
THAT LITTLE STREET THERE RUNS BETWEEN THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND THE WALGREENS.
YOU'RE RIGHT, IT USED TO COME IN AND Y'ALL CHANGED IT.
I I DIDN'T REALIZE YOU CHANGED THE NAMES.
UM, THIS IS JUST HERE AS AN EXAMPLE.
IF WE WERE TO LOOK SOLELY AT TRACK ACCOUNTS AND NOTHING ELSE, 20, 22, 24 HOURS.
BUT THIS IS HOW TRAFFIC NOW, IT, IT'S NOT INCLUDING, UM, THE, WHAT YOU SEE ALONG 30 AND 66, 35.
BUT THIS IS SURFACE ROAD TRAFFIC THAT YOU'RE SEEING THAT NOT ELEVATED HIGHWAY.
OKAY? UM, BUT THIS IS HOW HIS TRAFFIC COUNTS ARE IN 24 HOUR PERIOD, A HUNDRED THOUSAND THAT IS ELEVATED 6 35 1 9 9 3 7 5.
UM, EXITED OFF OF THIS IS WHAT THE, THE DATA THAT I TALKED ABOUT, OLD SCHOOL, THE PLACER AI DATA, UM, THIS IS WHAT THAT IS LIKE.
SO THIS MAP IS TELLING YOU IT'S HARD TO SEE IS THE LINE WITH THE SMALL, BUT RED IS TELLING YOU WHERE THE MOST TRAFFIC IS HITTING THE GARDEN CITY LIMIT.
NOW THIS IS TRAFFIC THAT'S ENTERING GARDEN, NOT JUST PASSING BY.
IT STARTED, YOU KNOW, BUT, UM, AND THEN ORANGE, THAT'S GONNA BE THE NEXT TYPE.
IT'S PROBABLY THE RAINBOW, UM, THAT TELLS YOU WHERE THE MOST TRAFFIC IS COMING IN OUT THAT ARE VISITORS THAT DON'T LIVE.
NOW WE'RE GETTING INTO THE NEW PICTURES AS OF TODAY.
SO AGAIN, THESE ARE CONCEPTS ON THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE.
THESE ARE ALL EXAMPLES THAT ARE DEPLOYED IN OTHER PLACES AND THEY'RE USED AS, UM, EXAMPLES IN OUR CONCEPT DESIGN MEETING TODAY FOR PEOPLE TO SAY, WELL, LIKE THIS, IT DON'T LIKE THAT.
UM, I PUT THIS SLIDE TOGETHER BEFORE THE MEETING STARTED.
SO DON'T, DON'T ASSUME THAT SOMETHING'S UP HERE THAT'S NECESSARILY CHOSEN, BUT IT, THIS GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT EXERCISE LOOKS LIKE.
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MEDIA ENHANCEMENTS, GATEWAY ELEMENTS, UM, PUBLIC ART, AESTHETIC TREATMENTS.SO EXAMPLE, AESTHETIC TREATMENT ON A BRIDGE INTERSECTION ENHANCEMENTS.
AND THEN IN ADDITION TO ALL OF THAT ARE THINGS LIKE TASK FORCE SIDE GRANTS, WORKING CLOSELY TOGETHER WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING AND NEIGHBORHOOD BY AND FINALLY, THESE ARE GARDEN SPECIFIC SEEN TODAY THE FIRST TIME.
UM, THESE ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF GATEWAY SIGNS.
UM, THESE PARTICULAR THREE ARE VERY LARGE.
THESE WOULD BE CONSIDERED LANDMARKS.
SO THIS IS WHAT YOU MIGHT SEE WHERE THERE'S INTERSTATE ENTRANCE.
UM, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE VARIETY OF THE TYPES OF GATEWAY FEATURES THAT ARE BEING CONSIDERED.
NOW, AGAIN, THESE WILL GO THROUGH THE REFINEMENT, UM, AND THEY MIGHT NOT LOOK LIKE THIS AT THE END OF THAT PROCESS.
UM, WHAT WE'RE WORKING WITH, THOSE ARE BURDEN ONES.
HERE'S SOME EXAMPLES OF SOME HORIZONTAL, UM, IT'S HARD TO TELL WHAT THIS ONE IS, BUT IT'S BASICALLY TAKING THAT THE OUTSIDE OF THE WIRE FRAME OF THE GARLAND COG, UM, AND JUST USING THE EDGE, UM, VERSATILE HERE.
THEY TOOK THE WHOLE COG AND TURNED IT INTO THE TREE FLOWERS, WHATEVER YOU WANT.
AND THEN FINALLY, HERE'S AN APPLICATION OF THOSE DESIGNS.
THIS IS ACTUALLY LOOKING UP BROADWAY COMING UNDER THE, THE OVERPASS OF 30.
AND SO YOU CAN SEE DIFFERENT KINDS OF TREATMENTS ON THE UNDERPASS AND THEN SOME SCALE OF WHAT THE DIFFERENT SIGNS MIGHT LOOK LIKE.
JOE, I'M SORRY, KIM, KIM B HALL.
UM, IS THERE A PLAN OR IS IS THAT FUTURE DECISION TO HAVE THE, LIKE THE MAJOR ENTRANCES ALL BE THE SAME, TO BE DETERMINED.
OKAY, THAT'S WHAT I WANT, BUT THEY WILL HAVE A COMMON ELEMENT THAT MAY NOT.
AND THEN THIS IS JUST A REMINDER OF WHAT I SHOWED YOU, THE VERY FIRST MEETING.
UM, AND THESE ARE JUST EXAMPLES OF THINGS THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY DONE IN CORRIDOR STILL, THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, THE IMPORTANCE OF IT ALL TOGETHER.
BOB DUCKWORTH, BACK TO KIM'S QUESTION, IS THE FIRE WHEEL GONNA BE OUR THING THAT FOLLOWS EVERYTHING? I, I, I LIKE THE FIRE WILL CHIME IN ON THAT.
THE REASON I, AGAIN, WE JUST SAW THIS, BUT IT WAS IN LINE WHERE THE GUIDANCE ISG AT THE IDEA IS AGAIN, EARLY, EARLY COUNCIL AND FEEDBACK.
BUT I THINK WHAT I WANTED TO CONVEY TONIGHT WHEN IT CAME TO CORRIDORS, THE MAIN MESSAGE IS IT'S NOT JUST LANDSCAPING.
I DIDN'T WANT THAT TO GET STUCK IN EVERYBODY'S MIND, RIGHT? MATTER OF FACT, DEPENDING ON HOW THE MONEY SHAKES OUT, IT MAY END UP BEING THAT WE PLACED SOME OF THE FUNDING AND EFFORTS ON THE GATEWAY, WHICH IS AN INTERSECTION LOCATION BEFORE WE DO CERTAIN SURE.
CORRIDOR DOORS AND LANDSCAPING THROUGH IT.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT IS IT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO COMMUNICATE AND WHO WE COMMUNICATING TO.
SO THAT'S WHY I WAS REALLY KIND OF, I THOUGHT IT WAS PRETTY COOL.
WHAT DID WAS, IT'S NOT JUST TRAFFIC COUNTS, IT'S WHO'S USING IT? ARE WE JUST COMMUTING AND DRIVING THROUGH? ARE THEY VISITORS, WHATEVER.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF CRITERIA, A LOT OF STRATEGIC DECISIONS BECAUSE QUITE HONESTLY, WE COULD PROBABLY SPEND 150 BILLION ON FOUR
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO TAKE SOME, WHEN WE GET DONE, NATHAN'S TEAM'S GONNA HELP KIND OF TAKE THIS PRIORITY, PUT SOME BROAD NUMBERS TO IT, AND WE JUST HAVE TO MAKE SOME DECISIONS.
SO I THINK THE IDEA IS MOST BANG FOR THE BUCK.
WHO ARE WE COMMUNICATING AND WHAT ARE WE COMMUNICATING? WHAT STORY ARE WE TELLING ABOUT GARLAND RIGHT NOW AND WHAT OUR FUTURE IS? UM, AND SO I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION FOR THAT.
I THINK WE ALL KIND OF IN OUR TEAM KIND OF RESONATED TO THAT IDEA OF, OF THIS, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, BLANKET FLOWER GUARDIAN TECHNICAL TERM, PUT SOME LEAVES ON IT,
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BUT WE ALL KIND OF LIKE IT NOW.THIS SIMPLE THEME THAT'S THAT TO BE DETERMINED.
I THINK THE IDEA IS THAT SOMETHING ICONIC, MAYBE THERE'S, AT THE GATEWAYS THERE'S A COMMON THEME, A COMMON THREAD, BUT EACH INTERSECTION IS, IS SLIGHTLY UNIQUE.
SO THAT WAY I THINK THE WAY WE WANT COMMUNICATE IS THAT IT'S UNIQUE AND MEMORABLE.
IF YOU GO TO OTHER CITIES AND YOU KIND OF SEE, UM, THEIR GATEWAYS AND WHAT THEY'VE DONE, YOU GOTTA REMEMBER THE GOOD, YOU GOTTA REMEMBER THE OTHER ONES.
UM, I LOVE THE WAY WE'RE USING BOB DUCKWORTH.
I LOVE THE WAY WE'RE USING THE BRICKS.
WHEN YOU DRIVE ACROSS THEM, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE CHANGED.
AND THAT WAS A CONCEPT WE TALKED ABOUT BACK IN THE MAIN STREET GARLAND DAYS.
SO I'M SO GLAD TO SEE THAT COMING FORWARD.
I I THINK THAT'S A BEAUTIFUL CONCEPT THAT BREAKS UP THE CONCRETE.
AND LINDSEY HAS ANOTHER, UH, LINDSAY, UM, I THINK IF WE WERE WEIGHING IN JUST MY THOUGHTS ON IT, IF YOU'RE WEIGHING, UM, GATEWAYS VERSUS CORRIDORS, I FEEL LIKE THE BIGGEST IMPACT WOULD BE THE GATEWAYS.
UM, BECAUSE YOU'RE, WE'RE KIND OF PLANNING OUR FLAG AND SAYING LIKE, WE'RE PROUD THAT THIS IS GARLAND AND UM, YOU KNOW, WE WANT PEOPLE BECAUSE IT LETS RESIDENTS KNOW THAT WE'RE PROUD THAT THIS IS OURS AND PEOPLE PASSING THROUGH THAT, THAT THIS IS WHERE YOU ARE AND WE'LL, AND KIND OF ESTABLISHING THE IDENTITY.
WHEN THE PLAN'S DONE, WE'RE GONNA ESTABLISH, THEY'RE GONNA PROVIDE US SOME EXAMPLES WITHIN THE BUDGET.
WE HAVE CONSULTANT, THEN THE TEAM WILL PUT TOGETHER A PLAN AND A MAP OF, OF THE AREAS WE'RE GONNA WORK TOWARDS.
SO THERE'S SOME THAT ARE GONNA HAVE SOME PUBLIC ART OPPORTUNITIES, UM, ON THE CHALLENGE RIGHT OF WAY, WE MAY ACTUALLY HAVE TO GO IN AND ACQUIRE SOME LAND, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS WE CAN FIND SOMETHING THAT CAN IMPACT SOMEBODY'S BUSINESS OPERATIONS THE RIGHT PLACE.
SO IT'S ITS OWN, WE THINK IT'S A LOT.
SO THIS NEXT ONE THAT COUNCILMAN BJ WILLIAMS ASKED TO BE, UH, DISCUSSED AND THANK YOU AGAIN.
I SEE A FEW FAMILIAR PATIENTS THIS EVENING THAT I'VE MET OVER THE YEARS AND AS HE NEW, AGAIN, AS WAS SAYING THAT I'M MICHAEL, I'M ENGINEERING FROM THE CITY OF GARLAND AND, UH, HERE TO PRESENT THE GATEWOOD DRAINAGE STUDY.
SO IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WHERE GATEWOOD IS, GATEWOOD SITS RIGHT HERE, KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE OF THESE TWO I 30 TO THE SOUTH JUST TALKING ABOUT BROADWAY AND ALL, ALL THE NICE WONDERFUL PICTURES AT THAT INTERSECTION.
THIS IS, UM, AROUND THAT ROAD AND OF COURSE PROBABLY CONTINUES HERE.
YOU HAVE, UM, OAKS TO THE SOUTH AND THEN THE, THIS AREA.
NOW WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT HERE? CAPEWOOD CURRENTLY IS WHAT THEY CALL AN OLD ASPHALT.
SOME PEOPLE CALL IT A HUMPBACK ROAD AND IN JUST KIND OF AN ARCH.
THEN YOU HAVE DRAINAGE DITCHES ON THE SIDES.
IT'S JUST THE OLD WAY THAT THEY USED TO DESIGN ROAD YEARS AND YEARS AGO.
THIS WHOLE AREA HERE WAS DEVELOPED PROBABLY BACK IN THE FIFTIES AND SIXTIES OR WHATEVER, CAN REMEMBER, UH, LOOKING AT CLASSY THINGS.
AND OF COURSE THAT ROAD WAS JUST NEVER DONE THROUGH ALL, ALL THE OTHER STREETS AROUND.
IT IMPROVE THE CONCRETE CURB AND GUTTER, BUT NOT THIS ONE.
AND WHAT WE'RE HERE TO LOOK AT THIS SAME WAS THE DRAINAGE IMPACT THAT IF GATEWOOD WERE EVER IMPROVED TO A CONCRETE CURB AND GUTTER ROADWAY, WHAT WOULD BE BRINGING IT UP TO A HUNDRED YEAR STORM EVENT, UM, CAPACITY FOR THE ROADWAY? YOU'VE GOTTA DISCHARGE THAT SOMEWHERE.
WELL, THERE'S TWO DRAINAGE AREAS WHERE WE CALL THE GREEN HOOK THAT KIND OF WENT TO THE NORTH AND GAVE ONE TO THE SOUTH.
THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT DRAINAGE AREAS WHERE DRAINING SPLITS AND DIVIDE, AND IT DRAINS DOWN HERE, DUCK CREEK ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
AND ON THE NORTH SIDE IT BRINGS TO WHAT WE CALL STREAM TWO C ONE.
AND ULTIMATELY IT CONVERGES WITH DUCK CREEK SOUTH OF I EARTH.
BUT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS WHAT IMPACTS WOULD THIS HAVE IF WE WERE GONNA IMPROVE THIS ROAD AND DISCHARGE WATER DOWNSTREAM AND FLOODING OF DOWNSTREAM, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANNA CAUSE ANY PROBLEMS IN THE DOWNSTREAM NEIGHBORS.
SO WHAT WE HAVE IS THIS IS AN INUNDATION THAT CURRENTLY TODAY, THIS IS BASED OFF TODAY AND THE FLOODING OF THE AREA.
YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S A LOT NUMBER OF PROPERTIES IN HERE.
UM, THIS IS, UH, THE BROADWAY SECTION AT GATEWOOD.
THIS IS KIND OF MORE ON THE NORTHERN END.
AND THEN WHAT YOU SEE HERE, THIS IS THAT OPEN CHANNEL THAT PICKS UP THE WATER AND FLOWS UNDERNEATH
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BROADWAY AND OAKS AND THEN EVENTUALLY ENDS UP CONNECTING THE DUCK CREEK SOUTH ONE THIRD.BUT WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS IN MAYFLOWER, THIS IS ONE OF THE RESIDENTIAL STREETS.
WE DO HAVE COMPLAINTS OF FLOODING ALONG THIS AREA IN THE STREET AND BRIGHTLY.
SO WE HAVEN'T HIT THE A HUNDRED YEAR STORM OUT HERE THAT I'M AWARE OF SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE.
BUT, UM, IT DOES OVER TOP THE JAY WOOD ROAD RIGHT IN HERE OVER TOPS BY ABOUT 1.7 FEET.
IT'S ABOUT ONE POINT OR, OR NOT 1.7 HERE.
THIS IS I THINK, UM, EIGHT TO, IT'S ALMOST ABOUT A FOOT HERE, BUT IT'S ABOUT 1.7 FEET OUT HERE IN THE STREET AND DURING A HUNDRED YEAR FREQUENCY STORM.
AND THEN AS, AS YOU CAN TELL, THE CHANNEL DOES NOT HAVE ENOUGH CAPACITY.
IT OVERFLOWS AND, AND INUNDATES THESE PROPERTIES ALONG THE CHANNEL AS WE CONTINUE HERE AND COME TO THE NORTH, RIGHT UP HERE IN THE TOP, THAT'S THE CHANNEL THAT YOU SEE IN THE RED, IN THE YELLOW.
UM, AND THEN WHEN YOU GET DOWN HERE TO BROADWAY AT OAKS, YOU'RE INUNDATING THE ROADWAY ABOUT 1.4 FEET OF WATER DURING A HUNDRED YEAR FREQUENCY STORM.
SO IT IS, IT'S, IT'S A, RATHER, THE WHOLE AREA HAS BEEN DESIGNED YEARS AND YEARS AGO AND IT WAS JUST INADEQUATE STORM RANGE ACCORDING TO TODAY'S BACK THEN IT DESIGNED FOR WHAT WAS APPROPRIATE.
TODAY WE HAVE DIFFERENT STANDARDS.
SO IT ALL GETS INTO THE CHANNEL HERE IN STREAM TWO C ONE.
AND WE DO HAVE THE CAPACITY TWO C ONE.
IT'S JUST GETTING THE WATER THERE.
OKAY, SO WE'RE GONNA JUMP TO THE OTHER GROUP.
AND AGAIN, WE ASSUME IMPACTED IN THIS AREA WITH FLOODING OR POSSIBLY BUILDING INUNDATION WITH FIVE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
I BELIEVE FOUR OF 'EM HAVE HOUSES ON 'EM AND THERE ARE 12 COMMERCIAL VACANT AND VACANT PROPERTIES IN THIS AREA.
QUESTION HERE TONY, QUICK QUESTION.
TONY TORRES, IS THIS IN A FLOODPLAIN? THERE, THERE ARE FLOODPLAINS, SO ASSOCIATED WITH THREE TWO C ONE, BUT THE, THE ACTUAL FEMA FLOODPLAIN DOES NOT BEGIN UNTIL A LITTLE BIT FURTHER OFF.
SO THIS IS NOT IN A FLOOD PLANE, BUT THIS IS A HUNDRED YEAR STORM DRAINAGE.
AND THE MORE CONCRETE WE PUT OUT THERE, THE WORSE THE DRAINAGE PROBLEM BECOMES, RIGHT? TYPICALLY, YES SIR.
SO WE'RE GONNA, YOU HAVE MORE VIEW, WE'RE GONNA DEVELOP THAT, UH, AREAS INTO PARKING LOT OR WHAT HAVE YOU THAT GOING TO THAN THE, THE ISSUE
WELL, AND, AND FOR THE MOST PART WITH, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF, OF THE UNDEVELOPED LOTS THAT YOU SEE IN HERE.
UM, AGAIN, WE'LL, WE'LL GET TO THAT HERE IN A LITTLE BIT WITH SOME SOLUTIONS, BUT, UM, THE IDEA WOULD BE THAT THE SYSTEM THAT I'M BEFORE PROPOSING THIS EVENING WOULD ALLOW THESE PROPERTIES TO DEVELOP REGULARLY WITHOUT HAVING INTENTION.
UM, RIGHT NOW A LOT OF THESE PROPERTIES WOULD'VE TO, IF THEY CAME IN AND DEVELOPED, THEY'VE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF DETENTION SYSTEM OKAY.
TO TO, TO ADDRESS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO IS THIS, UH, ON A TOPOGRAPHICAL MAP OF THE CITY OF GARLAND? IS THIS A LOW LYING AREA? UM, LOW LYING? NO, THERE, IT'S, IT'S A RELATIVELY ELEVATION, UH, MINE.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S RELATIVELY FLAT WHEN YOU GET INTO, UH, BACK UP, WHEN YOU BACK UP HERE, IT'S, IT'S RELATIVELY FLAT IN THIS AREA, AND THEN IT FALLS OFF AS, AS IT COMES OUTTA THE CHANNEL.
IT'S, IT STAYS FLAT WHERE EVERYTHING IS DEVELOPED, BUT THEN ONCE IT GETS TO THE CHANNEL THERE, THERE'S A STEEPER CHANNEL SECTION.
SO THAT'S THE REASON WE HAVE THE CAPACITY IN THE CHANNEL.
NOW, ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE, WHICH WE'LL GET TO HERE, UM, IT STAYS RELATIVELY FLAT, BUT WE HOPE THERE, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME FALL RIGHT INTO HERE, INTO THIS CHANNEL.
AND THAT'S THE REASON THIS CHANNEL WORKS.
HERE, AGAIN, THIS IS THE CURRENT INNOVATION, BUT IT BOTTLENECKS UP HERE BECAUSE THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM IS UNDERSIZED ACCORDING TO THE TODAY'S CRITERIA THAT WE HAVE THIS WATER BACKING UP IN THESE AREAS.
IT JUST DOES NOT HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE UNDERNEATH TO, AGAIN, IT GOES DOWN A DITCH AND THE DITCH CAN ONLY FLOW SO FAST.
AND WE SO MUCH CAPACITY THE DITCHES.
AND THERE YOU'RE INADEQUATE TODAY, 6:48 PM SO THIS IS WHAT I WAS GONNA GET TO.
WE BACK HERE ON THIS OTHER ONE, ONE OF THE BOTTLENECKS THAT YOU HAVE BACK HERE AT BROADWAY, TRIPLE BOX POLE THAT'S UNDER HERE.
NOW THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF A RESTRICTION THAT'S CAUSING THE FLOODING UPSTREAM HERE IN THIS AREA.
IF THESE WERE INCREASED, AND WE'LL GET TO THAT HERE IN A LITTLE BIT, THAT WOULD HELP THIS FLOW.
BUT THERE'S SOME OTHER IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE TO BE MADE.
SO I HEARD YOU MENTION THAT PART OF THE PLAN WAS TO SHIP THE, THE WATER, I GUESS PRIMARILY THE, THE RUNOFF
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TO STREAM TWO C ONE, IS THAT RIGHT? STREAM TWO, BUT I HEARD YOU MENTION DUCK CREEK.IS THAT PART OF THE PLAN ALSO? I'LL GET, I'LL GET BACK TO DUCK CREEK.
THERE'S, THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT SECTIONS.
LEMME GO BACK TO THE FIRST SECTION OKAY.
AND MAYBE EXPLAIN A LITTLE BETTER.
THIS IS TREE STREAM TWO, SEAT ONE AND, AND I'M SORRY IF I CONFUSED YOU, BUT THIS DRAINAGE BASIN ON THE NORTH SIDE, AGAIN, GATEWOOD ROADS AND RED, THERE'S A HIGH POINT HERE IN THE MIDDLE WHERE THE WATER THAT FALLS ON THE ROADWAY AND THIS SUBDIVISION DRAINS THIS WAY TO THIS SCREEN FALLS DOWNHILL.
AND THEN THIS DRAINAGE AREA THAT YOU SEE OUTLINED HERE, WATER THAT FALLS ON THIS AREA DRAINS DOWN TO THIS CHANNEL AND INTO DUCK CREEK.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? NOW, ULTIMATELY, BOTH OF THESE, AND I MAY HAVE CONFUSED YOU, BOTH OF THESE MEET UP SOUTH OF I 30, RIGHT? YEAH.
I JUST BACK TOGETHER AT SOUTH OF I 30.
I WAS JUST ASKING BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S ALREADY A PRETTY SEVERE PROBLEM WITH DUCK CREEK WHERE IT GETS SO NARROW AND WHEN IT RUNS OVER, IT BACKS UP.
AND MY BACKYARD
THIS IS DUCK CREEK AND THIS IS THE DRAIN AREA COMING FROM GATEWOOD GETS INTO THAT STREAM.
THERE'S A RESTRICTION HERE AT COLLINGWOOD DRIVE WHERE WE'RE OVER TOPPING BY ABOUT 1.7 FEET.
AND THEN THIS PIPE SYSTEM IS, IS OLDER.
UM, IT DOES NOT HAVE THE CAPACITY.
AND FROM THAT YOU CAN SEE BECAUSE OF THAT RESTRICTION, THERE'S WATER THAT BACKS STUFF.
THESE POND BACK UP FROM
AND THEN EVEN IN THIS IMMEDIATE SUBDIVISION, THERE ARE PROPERTIES ALL THROUGH HERE.
THERE ARE 15 PROPERTIES IN THIS AREA AND STRUCTURES, 15 STRUCTURES THAT ARE INTUBATED WITH FLOODING.
AND THEN WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, I BELIEVE IS RIGHT HERE ON DUCK CREEK DRIVE WHERE IT BACKS UP AND, AND POSSIBLY FLOODS DUCK CREEK.
I'M ACTUALLY FURTHER UPSTREAM, BUT YEAH, 2.2 FEET, SOME OF SMALLER STORM THAT MIGHT HAVE A FOOT OF WATER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT THROUGH THAT.
AND I KNOW WE HAVE SOME PROBLEMS ON CENTER BILL TOO, OVER CREEK.
THERE'S, THERE'S A NUMBER OF, BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL OLD INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO WITH ALL OF THIS AND, AND TO EVER IMPROVE GATEWOOD ROAD, WHAT ARE SOME SOLUTIONS? SO LOOKING BACK AT THE BROADWAY OATS SEGMENT, GATEWOOD RIGHT HERE, THE IDEA WOULD BE TO IMPROVE THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM AND UPSIDE THE PIPE UNDER BROADWAY AND OATS THROUGH THIS AREA TO GET IT TO STREAM TWO C ONE.
ALSO INCREASING THE CAPACITY OF THE CHANNEL IN BETWEEN BROADWAY AND GATEWOOD.
THAT WOULD REQUIRE SOME VERTICAL WALLS AND, AND RE SOME REC CHANNELIZATION IN THAT AREA TO INCREASE THE CAPACITY TO PULL THE WATER OFF OF THESE PROPERTIES THAT WERE ALL INUNDATED.
ULTIMATELY, WE WOULD NEED TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF BOXES THAT ARE UNDERNEATH, UM, GATEWOOD SO THAT IT DOESN'T BACK THE WATER UP INTO MAYFLOWER AND BACK UP INTO THESE PROPERTIES THAT WE SAW THAT WERE INUNDATED.
AND THEN ALSO WIDENING THE CHANNELS ABOUT APPROXIMATELY 400 FEET UPSTREAM OF GATEWOOD TO ELIMINATE.
YOU CAN SEE HERE, WE KEEP EVERYTHING IN THE CHANNEL.
THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF WATER THAT YOU STILL HAVE IN THE ROADWAY HERE.
WE CAN PROBABLY, WITH, WITH THE SYSTEM, WE CAN SIZE THAT LARGE ENOUGH TO GET THE, THE WATER OFF OF THE ROADWAY.
THIS AREA WAS NOT ACTUALLY, WE DIDN'T ADD ACTUALLY ANY OTHER INLETS HERE, BUT I'M CERTAIN THAT WITH THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE MAKING OR THAT COULD BE MADE WITH THIS PROJECT, YOU COULD, UM, ELIMINATE THE WATER OFF OF BROADWAY AND NOT HAVE 1.7 FEET OF WATER ON, ON BROADWAY AS WELL.
NOW THAT DOESN'T COME AT A CHEAP COST.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE ON THE RIGHT, UM, ADDING THE BOXES, THREE AND A HALF MILLION HERE ON BROADWAY AND OAKS WHITENING.
THE CHANNEL BETWEEN HERE IS, IS A, IS AN UNDERTAKING ABOUT 2.1 MILLION UPSIZING.
THE, THE CULVERTS AT, UM, GATEWOOD ITSELF IS ABOUT 800,000.
AND THEN WHY THE CHANNEL UP THAT IT'S, UM, ANOTHER 600,000 FOR A GRAND TOTAL, ABOUT $7 MILLION IN THIS, IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA.
MOVING TO THE OTHER SECTION, DOWNSTREAM UPSTREAM WOULD BE TO IMPROVE THE BOX STRUCTURE.
HERE AGAIN, WE WERE OVERTOP OF THE ROAD BY ABOUT 1.7 FEET ON THE, ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE.
AND THEN INCLUDED THE STORM OR STORM SYSTEM UPSTREAM THROUGH THAT RESIDENTIAL AREA, UM, IN ADVANCE OF CONNECTING BACK TO GATEWOOD.
AND THAT AGAIN IS ANOTHER COSTLY ENDEAVOR.
BUT AGAIN, IT'LL BE AROUND 6.2, 6.3 MILLION ESTIMATED COST.
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IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT A TOTAL NOW IN THIS AREA OF DUCK CREEK, THIS IS A, A, A MUCH LARGER SCALE PROJECT THAT WE WOULD'VE TO TAKE ON.WE WOULDN'T BE PROPOSING ANYTHING.
THIS PROJECT AT THIS LOCATION UP HERE, UM, BY THE TIME THE WATER GETS DOWN HERE, IT DOES NOT IMPACT THIS AREA.
UM, HARDLY AT ALL RANGE IMPROVEMENTS BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A LONG TIME CONCENTRATION.
SO WHAT DOES THE TOTAL COST LOOK LIKE WITH THE GREEN BRIDGE BROOK, WHICH IS THE BROADWAY SIDE, 7000006.2 ON THE DUCK, ON THE DUCK CREEK SIDE, ON THE
AND THEN THE ROADWAY ITSELF ABOUT 11 AND A HALF MILLION FOUR, JUST UNDER 25 MILLION PRICE TAG.
SO IT'S, IT'S ANOTHER LARGE PROJECT.
SO WHAT CAN WE, WHAT COULD BE DONE, WE COULD PHASE IT.
THERE COULD BE A PHASING WHERE YOU COULD OUTSIDE THE PIPING AND THE BROADWAY SYSTEM AND OATS AS WELL AS WIDE CHANNEL BETWEEN BROADWAY GAIN.
UM, COULD YOU BUILD THE GATEWOOD SECTION THAT CO WOOD AND UPSIDE THE STORM SEWER SYSTEM FOR 6.25 AS A STANDALONE PROJECT? YES, THAT CAN BE DONE WELL, BUT THE REST OF IT, THE 1.4 AND 11.5, WE ALL HAVE TO BE DONE.
SO THOSE COULD BE SPLIT UP INTO THREE PHASES, THAT TYPE OF THING.
SO WITH THAT, I KNOW THAT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION, THERE'S A LOT TO DIGEST AT ONE TIME, BUT I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
WE'LL START WITH LINDSAY AND THEN SHARONDA.
UH, LINDSAY, FORGIVE ME, I'M NEW TO ALL THIS.
IS THIS SOMETHING THAT'S TYPICALLY FUNDED THROUGH BONDS AND NOT OTHER UM, WELL, AS FAR AS YES.
LARGE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS LIKE THIS, A LOT OF TIMES WE'LL SEE STREETS THING LIKE WE HAD BACK IN 2019.
A PROJECT LIKE THIS WOULD BE OKAY.
I WAS JUST GONNA ADD THAT YES, DRAINAGE PROJECTS ARE FUNDED THROUGH BOND PROGRAMS AND CAN BE, BUT REMEMBER BASED OFF OF OUR CHARGE, OUR CHARGE IS LOOKING FOR IT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, 50 MILLION.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION.
WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE CRITERIA FOR THESE PROJECTS.
HOW DOES THIS FIT INTO THOSE FOUR VISIONS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL GAVE US OR FOR THIS SPECIFIC ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM? OKAY, NOW SHARONDA.
UM, SO WITH THE PHASES, YOU SAID IT CAN BE BROKEN DOWN INTO THREE PHASES.
HOW MUCH CONSTRUCTION WOULD THAT BE AND HOW MANY YEARS WOULD THAT TAKE IF WE DECIDED TO DO IT IN PHASES? YOUR HONOR, DEPENDING ON, UM, THE SIZE OF THE PROJECT AND THE DIFFERENT, THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.
YOU KNOW, YOU'LL HAVE THE DOWNSTREAM, AGAIN, THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT, TWO DIFFERENT SIDES ALL ONE TIME.
THEY WOULD MOST LIKELY BUILD ONE AND THEN THE, AND THE CONSTITUENTS IN THESE AREAS WOULD BE IN.
BUT BUILDING A PIPING SYSTEM HERE AND WIDENING THAT CHANNEL.
NOW WHEN THEY WIDELY CHANNEL, THEY'RE ONLY AFFECTING THE PROPERTY OWNERS ON EACH SIDE.
BUT, UM, CONSTRUCTION ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT, UH, $5 MILLION, I WOULD THINK THEY COULD BUILD THAT PROBABLY YEAR TO 18 MONTHS.
AND SO BUILD SOMETHING LIKE THAT ON, ON THE OTHER SIDE, THAT WOULD BE ABOUT, UM, SAME, THAT ONE ON THE OTHER SIDE HERE, WHEN YOU'RE GETTING IN AROUND ALL THE HOMES AND STUFF, THAT MIGHT, IT'S GONNA BE VERY DISRUPTIVE, BUT IT WOULD TAKE, I WOULD SAY PROBABLY THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME ABOUT A YEAR TO 18 MONTHS.
SO IF WE DID IT IN PHASES, THERE'LL BE LESS INCONVENIENCE OR IF WE DID IT ALL AT ONCE, THIS IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO DEAL WITH.
WE ARE ALREADY DEALING WITH TRAFFIC.
THE, THE CONSTRUCTION WOULD TAKE LONGER.
YES, BECAUSE IT'S A MASSIVE PROJECT.
UM, TO BUILD IT IN PHASES, YOU WOULD STILL BUILD DOWNSTREAM TO UPSTREAM.
SO BUILDING DOWNSTREAM, UPSTREAM, THEY WOULD BE, THEY WOULD BE INCONVENIENCED FOR ABOUT THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME, BUT THEN THE PROJECT WOULDN'T MOVE, BUT IT WOULD TAKE A LOT LONGER FOR EVERY, THE WHOLE AREA.
UH, NUMBER FIRST ONE, UH, CAN WE GET A COPY OF, UH, FLOODPLAINS FOR THE CITY OF GARLAND?
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OKAY, NEXT QUESTION.OKAY, SO THE INTENT HERE IS THE DRAINAGE CAPABILITY.
HOW DO WE MITIGATE GO BACK TO YOUR
UH, UH, I WAS GONNA SAY, LET'S, IT SHOULD BE ON CITY.
YEAH, DA HAS A LAYER ON THEIR MAP TOO.
OKAY, NEXT QUESTION IS, OKAY, THE, UH, THE PROJECT IS TO TAKE CARE OF THE DRAINAGE.
WHAT, HOW WOULD WE MITIGATE ANY MORE RUNOFF? WELL, THE, THE SYSTEM WOULD BE SIZED AT THAT POINT.
WE'RE SIZING FOR THE HUNDRED YEAR STORM FOR THESE AREAS.
SO ANYBODY THAT COMES INTO, LET'S SAY, LET'S SAY THEY WANT TO COME IN AND DEVELOP THESE VACANT LOTS HERE, THEY CAN ACTUALLY BUILD WHAT THEY NEED TO ON THE SLOT BECAUSE THE SYSTEM CAN NOW HANDLE THE RUNOFF WITH THESE IMPROVEMENTS.
SO AGAIN, YOU HAVE, YOU SEE, YOU SEE VACANT LOTS, YOU SEE VACANT LANE, THIS, THESE LOTS COULD BE DEVELOPED.
THERE'S, IF SOMEBODY, THEY CAN DO THAT.
IF, IF WE, IF WE PERFORM IMPROVE THE ZONING IS A BIG FACTOR.
SO YOU'RE TALKING THE A HUNDRED YEAR STORM? YES SIR.
HOW MUCH ARE THESE AREAS IMPACTED IN A REGULAR STORM? IN A REGULAR STORM OR, UH, UH, WE, WE'VE, UH, BACK IN 2015 AND 16 FOR THOSE STORMS. MM-HMM.
SO THOUSAND 15, 16, I DO KNOW WE RECEIVED, WE RECEIVED OBVIOUSLY HIGH WATER.
I THINK THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN SOME UGLY FOUNDATIONS, BUT NOTHING IN A HOUSE AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME.
UM, IN BOTH OF THE STORMS, WE HAD COMPLAINTS IN THIS AREA.
I KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD COMPLAINTS OFF OF CONNIE IN THIS AREA DURING SMALLER FREQUENCY STORMS. MAYBE NOT 15, 16, BUT EVEN DURING, UM, JUST IT'D HAS TO BE MORE OF A HEAVY STORM.
BUT THE, THE ISSUE THAT WE HAVE IN HERE, PRESCRIPTION, WE HAVE IN THIS BOX FOLDER WHERE THIS AREA CAN'T DRAIN FAST ENOUGH OUT PEOPLE HAVE IN AROUND ANY FLOODING DURING THE SMALLER FREQUENCY, IT'S JUST MORE HIGH WATERING GUARD AND IN STREETS.
WE, MARY, MAYBE A SLIGHTLY OFF THE WALL THOUGHT, BUT THERE HAVE BEEN INSTANCES IN WHICH CITIES HAVE PURCHASED LAND THAT WAS PRONE TO FLOODING AND RECLAIMED IT FOR RECREATIONAL AREAS AS OPPOSED TO THE HOUSES THAT ARE THERE.
AND I KNOW ALONG, UM, IS IT, IS IT, IS IT GLENBROOK WHEN THE GLEN, ALL THAT WAS GOING ON, UM, $25 MILLION BUYS ABOUT 96 STANDARD HOMES.
WHO ELSE? RICKY, YOU GOT ONE? YES.
YOU'RE GOING EXACTLY WHAT, WHAT ARE THE OPPORTUNITIES THERE? IF WE MAKE THESE IMPROVEMENT, WHAT ARE THE OPPORTUNITIES? DO WE KNOW THE ACREAGE? UH, AND IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S MAYBE MULTIFAMILY OR SINGLE FAMILY IN THERE, BUT WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT I, I DUNNO WHAT THEY'RE ALL ZONED FOR AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
I DO KNOW THESE ARE, THESE ARE BASICALLY BUSINESSES TODAY.
UM, THESE TWO ARE RESIDENTIAL HOMES.
I THINK ACTUALLY ONE OF THESE, I DUNNO WHICH ONE ACTUALLY, UM, BURNED JUST, UM, LAST FEW YEARS ACTUALLY DEMO, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
THESE ARE, ARE, I GUESS THESE ARE ACTUALLY POSSIBLY RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT'S A RESIDENTIAL HOME NOW ONE ALONG BROADWAY.
THESE ARE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES IN THIS AREA AS FAR AS ACRE, ALL THESE SITES, I DO NOT THE, THESE VACANT PROBLEMS. RIGHT.
AND JUST AGAIN, JUST TO BUILD UPON MARY'S POINT, THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IF WE CONSIDER SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD BE THE OPPORTUNITY.
YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE REPAY, RIGHT? WHAT'S THE ROI? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.
ANY ANYBODY ELSE WANT FOR MICHAEL? GO AHEAD.
I, I GUESS YOU FOLKS ARE THINKING, I'M THINKING OF A RETENTION POND OR A, A POND OR SOMETHING RATHER THAN IN USING THAT MONEY, SOME OF IT TO BUY THOSE PROPERTIES BUILT.
WOULD THAT CURE THE PROBLEM? UH, OR MOST OF IT WE, WE'VE NOT INVESTIGATED THAT THIS REALLY TRYING TO GET GATEWAY BACK TO
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THE CONCRETE CURB, THE OTHER STREETS INSTEAD OF AN ASPHALT STREET.SO THE FOCUS WAS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT IN THE STORM SEWER SYSTEM INTO ALL THESE, UH, LOCATIONS THROUGH HERE AND IT HAS TO BE ED, THESE WILL HAVE TO BE UPSIDE.
BUT WE CAN'T DO THAT WITHOUT INCREASING.
COULD YOU PURCHASE SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES TO CREATE YES.
I, I, I AGREE WITH YOUR CONCERN OF, OF, OF GATEWOOD IN MAKING IT A, A NICER, BETTER STREET.
BUT I THINK ALL MY THOUGHT PROCESS IS CAN WE DO IT CHEAPER AND, AND SOLVE THE SAME PROBLEM BY MAKING IT SOMETHING BEAUTIFUL? AND THAT DOES THE SAME THING.
THERE'S EVERYBODY GETS TO LOOK AT, BUT I GUESS IT'S SOME SORT OF AMENITY OR SOMETHING.
RIGHT? SOMEBODY MIGHT RENT IT TO PUT BOATS ON IT.
HUH? ONE LINDSAY, LINDSAY LINDSAY AGAIN, UM, I, THIS SECTION OF, UH, BROADWAY AND OATS HERE, UM, ON THE, JUST, I THINK IT'S THE NEXT SLIDE.
UH, THERE'S A LOT OF VACANT LAND THERE THAT'S BEEN VACANT FOR SOME TIME AND ACTUALLY HAD FOR SALE SIGNS ON IT AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN HERE NOW.
UM, DO, DOES ANYBODY KNOW? IS THAT, UH, I MEAN, I DON'T SEE ANY OF THE OVERLAY REALLY ON THOSE PROPERTIES.
SO THEY'RE NOT, THEY DON'T SEEM TO BE AFFECTED BY THIS.
'CAUSE I THINK THOSE WOULD, I BELIEVE THOSE ARE ZONE COMMERCIAL.
I'M NOT SURE, BUT WELL, AND MOST OF THE, MOST OF THE ISSUE IS THAT THE INNOVATION ON THE NORTH, THIS IS MORE OF A LOW AREA BEFORE IT GETS INTO THE CHANNEL.
SO IT'S, IT'S DRAINING THIS WAY AND THIS WAY TO GET INTO THE CHANNEL.
SO, UM, THE STUDY DIDN'T GO ANY FURTHER.
IT'S, IT'S RIGHT IN THIS AREA.
BUT, BUT THIS IS AROUND BASICALLY INUNDATING THE ROADWAY WITH ANYWHERE FROM A HOUSE FOOT.
IN THIS AREA, THAT WAS JUST THE, THOSE VACANT PROPERTIES ON EITHER SIDE OF BROADWAY THERE, THESE ARE, THESE SHOULD NOT REALLY BE AFFECTED UNLESS THEY HAVE A LOCALIZED ISSUE ON THE PROPERTY.
THOSE PROPERTIES WERE EXTENDED AS PART OF THIS SHARONDA THEN TIM.
SO JUST TO MY UNDERSTANDING, UH, WE CREATED THIS, BY THE WAY, WE BUILT IT SOME TIME AGO.
OBVIOUSLY THIS WAS A FLOOD FLOODPLAIN FROM THE BEGINNING.
AND OR EITHER WE BUILT THIS OR WE MADE THIS BY USING THE WORD FLOOD PLAIN.
I DON'T WANT EVERYBODY TO MISUNDERSTAND THIS.
THIS IS JUST A, THIS IS JUST A DESIGN CRITERIA THAT TODAY GARLAND DESIGNS FOR A HUNDRED YEAR STORM OF WIND.
SO THAT THE PROPERTIES SURROUNDING IT DON'T HAVE THESE PROBLEMS. THESE WERE ALL BUILT YEARS AND YEARS AGO WHEN THE CRITERIA WAS MAYBE A FIVE OR 10 YEAR STORM.
THAT WAS THE CRITERIA THAT THEY WERE DESIGNED.
SO I DON'T WANT EVERYBODY COULD USE THAT.
WELL, IT'S NOT TECHNICALLY A WE CREATED THIS, BY THE WAY, WE, BY THE WAY, WE BUILT IT BACK THEN, RIGHT? OUR PREDECESSORS DESIGNED FOR YES.
SO WE CREATED THIS LONG TIME AGO.
BUT, SO MIKE MICHAEL'S WORKED HERE A LONG TIME, BUT HE DID NOT PERSONALLY.
SO BACK TO
NOW MY QUE MY MY PROBLEM IS THIS, IF WE DON'T FIX THIS SOONER THAN LATER, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE THERE ARE GONNA BE PUNISHED FOR WHAT WE CREATED BACK THEN.
WELL, AS THESE, AS THESE PROPERTIES DEVELOP UPSTREAM, WE KNOW THERE'S DRAINAGE PROBLEMS. THE, THE, THE CRITERIA NOW IS THAT IF, IF THE SYSTEM DOWNSTREAM CANNOT HANDLE THE RUNOFF FROM THEIR IMPROVEMENTS MM-HMM.
SO THEY'LL BE BUILDING DETENTION PONDS ON THEIR SITES TO, TO ACCOMMODATE THEIR WATER SO IT SHOULDN'T GET WORSE.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? A LITTLE BIT.
BUT THAT COMES AT A COST TO THE DEVELOPERS.
BUT THAT COMES, WELL, THE COST OF DIGGING A HOLE, BUT A COST OF, UH, ALL RIGHT.
UH, SHONDA HAD A SIMILAR ITEM AS ME OR THOUGHT AS ME.
IF YOU'RE SETTING A PRIORITY, WHAT IS THE CITY'S PRIORITY FOR URGENCY OF DOING THAT CITY'S PRIORITY? URGENCY.
BECAUSE I, I'LL PUT IT THIS WAY, WHEN YOU HAVE A FLOODING PROBLEM THAT DOESN'T MEET CURRENT FLOODING STANDARDS, THEN THERE'S WATER GONNA BE PILED UP SOMEPLACE AND SOMEBODY AIN'T GONNA LIKE IT.
SO, AND THE LIMIT, IT PUTS LIMITS ON DEVELOPMENT AND IT THREATENS OTHER THINGS AROUND THERE WITH MOSQUITOES AND CREATURES AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS.
SO I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, UH, THIS IS $25 MILLION, A LOT OF MONEY, A SIXTH OF THE WHOLE BUDGET.
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SO YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING, IT APPEARS TO ME THAT'S GONNA BE VERY HIGHLY URGENT TO GET TAKEN CARE OF IN A VERY UPDATED WAY.SO IS, IS THAT, IS, AM I READING THIS IS THE WAY THE CITY WOULD SEE IT? WELL, AS, AS FAR AS IFICATION, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF AREAS ALL OF OKAY.
WHERE WE GO BACK IN THE FORTIES, FIFTIES.
UM, ALL THE HOUSES ALONG BROOK ALONG DUCK CREEK, YOU, YOU CAN, BUT NOW THAT'S OBVIOUSLY THE CREEK AND FLOOD, PLAIN FLOOD PLANES NOT DELINEATED OR IDENTIFIED UNTIL 1972.
I REALLY, ALL THAT WAS BUILT PRIOR TO THIS.
THEY UPDATED AGAIN A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
SO AS FAR AS URGENCY, UH, PRIORITIZATION, NO, THIS, WHAT THIS, WHERE THIS ONE CAME FROM IS THAT THE COUNSELOR WILLIAMS HAD ASKED, UM, FOR ME TO PRESENT GATEWOOD ROAD TO THE COUNCIL A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO.
AND, AND FROM THAT, UM, HE COULD, HE WAS ABLE TO SAY, HEY, CAN WE, CAN WE LEAST DO THE DRAINAGE STUDY BECAUSE WE KNEW WE HAD DRAINAGE PROBLEMS. CAN WE AT LEAST DO A DRAINAGE STUDY WITH THE, THE AMERICAN RELIEF RESCUE RESCUE PLAN ON THE FLOODS? MM-HMM.
AND SO WE PERFORMED A STUDY IN THE LAST YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF ON THIS, THIS INFORMATION.
AND THIS IS, WE PRESENTED THIS TO COUNCIL AND OF COURSE COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS SAID, HEY, I WANT YOU TO PRESENT THAT TO ME.
SO THAT, SO AS FAR AS PRIORITIZATION, WE HAVEN'T STUDIED ALL THE OTHER AREAS TO THIS DEPTH.
SO THERE IS NOT A PRIORITIZATION AT THIS TIME.
WELL, IT SOMETIME WHEN WE GET AROUND TO APPROVING THE, THE BOND PROGRAM IN ITS FINAL FORM, THIS IS GONNA END UP BEING A, A PRIORITY IN SOME SENSE OUT OF A SCALE.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'LL BE AT THE TOP OR THE BOTTOM OR THE MIDDLE, BUT, UH, I SEE ANY KIND OF DRAINAGE PROBLEM WILL TEND TO BE A HIGH PRIORITY.
I MENTIONED ONE THING REAL QUICK TOO, IS MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT THE UV BONDS AND THE CRITERIA.
UH, OUR CITY COUNCIL AND OUR STAFF HAVE DEVELOPED A FINANCIAL STRATEGY UTILIZING OUR STORM WATER RATE TO START DOING SOME DRAINAGE PROJECTS.
SO IF THIS DOESN'T MAKE IT INTO THE BOND PROGRAM, THERE ARE OTHER MECHANISMS WE CAN USE IN ORDER TO DO DRAINAGE PROJECTS.
WELL, CAN YOU GET, CAN YOU GET MONEY FROM THE CORPS ENGINEERS IN THE STATE FOR DOING ALL THIS? FOR THE COUNTY
WE PARTICIPATE IN THE INSURANCE PROGRAM.
WE'RE NOT SAYING WE'VE GOT ALL KINDS OF INFRASTRUCTURE.
THIS TYPE OF INFRASTRUCTURE IS DIFFERENT THAN, THAN THE BOND PROGRAM WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
RELATED TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, IS, IS RARE AND MORE DIFFICULT, THESE OTHER TYPES OF THINGS.
HAVE OTHER FUNDING SOURCES YEAH.
THIS ISN'T THE ONLY ONE THAT WE'VE ADDRESSED.
CRITICAL ONES WE'VE WORKED THROUGH OTHER FUNDS, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT BE THROUGH THE UTILITY REVENUE, DRAINAGE, STORM SEWER RATES, OR OTHER AMOUNT MONEY.
THERE'S OTHER WAYS THAT THESE HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED.
UM, BUT TO THE POINT THAT IT'S IMPORTANT, CAPTAIN WILLIAMS, WE ABSOLUTELY WANNA RESPECT THAT AND TALK ABOUT IT.
IT'S, IT'S A CONCERN, BUT THERE ARE OTHER MEANS.
WELL, I, I REPRESENT DISTRICT FOUR, SO I'LL, I'LL TALK TO BJ AND SEE WHAT HIS, HIS FEELING ABOUT ALL THIS IS OKAY.
OKAY, SO WE'RE GONNA GO ON TO PRIORITIZING.
WE'VE, UH, KICKED THAT ONE HARD ENOUGH.
UH, SO HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO.
UM, WE HAVE ABOUT, I THINK IT'S THE MOST RECENT COUNT IS ABOUT 200 SLIDES OF PRESENTATIONS.
IS SEVEN 15 JUST KICK OFF? OR CERTAIN FOOTBALL TEAM
SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO ENCOURAGE IS IF WE COULD KIND OF LIMIT THE PRESENTATIONS TO, TO 10 MINUTES.
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PICTURES AND WHATNOT, BUT, UM, THERE'S A LOT TO GET TO AND I THINK THERE'S WHAT I'VE SEEN, THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD HOMEWORK, LOT OF DUE DILIGENCE.UM, KEEP IN MIND A LOT OF THAT DETAIL THAT'S IN THE PRESENTATIONS, UM, ARE IMPORTANT FOR HELPING MAKE THE DECISION AND PRIORITIZING AND SEEING WHERE THIS GOES.
A LOT OF THAT DETAIL WILL NOT MAKE WHAT YOU SEE KIND OF BECOMES, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO PAINT THE BIG PICTURE OF A PROJECT.
IT'S HARD TO PUT ALL THAT INFORMATION IN FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS GROUP.
UM, CERTAINLY HELPS PAINT THE PICTURE OF WHY YOU FEEL THAT THIS IS AN IMPORTANT PROJECT.
SO, UM, WITH THAT WE'LL JUST KIND OF GO THROUGH IN ORDER OF WHAT'S IN THE PRESENTATION.
I, I THINK THE IDEA IS TO, UM, TAKE A LOOK AT THESE AND GET KIND OF A, A, A MAJORITY VOTE UP OR DOWN IF IT GOES TO, CAN WE HORN TO BE PRICED OUT? IF IT DOES NOT MEAN IN A PRIORITY DISCUSSION, IT JUST MEANS DO WE NEED TO HAVE THEM SPEND THEIR TIME AND EFFORT PRICING IT OUT AT THIS LEVEL? IF SO, THEN IT GOES INTO THE BIG LIST AND THEN THAT, HI, I THINK, SO I'M CHIP BEN PE.
I'M A 40 YEAR RESIDENT OF GARLAND, A RETIRED ADVERTISING CREATIVE DIRECTOR.
NOW FULL-TIME ARTIST, FULLTIME ARTS ADVOCATE.
I'M ON THE GARLAND CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION.
AMY ROSE IS THE GARLAND CULTURAL ARTS DIRECTOR AND DEAN DRIVER, WHO IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE GARLAND CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION.
I TIME THIS OUT AT 12 MINUTES, SO I'M GONNA HAVE TO TALK REALLY FAST.
THE FIRST I WANT TO DISCUSS CULTURAL ARTS AND IMPACT OF, OF THAT ON CITY ECONOMY, SPECIFICALLY GARLAND'S ECONOMY.
IN THE PAST, CULTURAL ARTS HAVE BEEN TREATED, HAVE BEEN VIEWED AND TREATED BY CITIES AS AMENITIES.
UH, USUALLY LUXURY, LUXURY ITEMS, LOW ON THE LIST BEHIND PARKS, UH, SWIMMING POOLS, LIBRARIES, WHATEVER.
BUT MORE AND MORE MUNICIPALITIES ARE LOOKING AT THE ARTS AS ECONOMIC ENGINES.
UH, THE ARTS ENRICH THE LIVES OF CITIZENS, ATTRACT VISITORS ACTIVATING UNDER THESE AREAS, SPARK CREATIVITY, CELEBRATE DIVERSITY, AND POSITIVELY CHANGE THE PERCEPTION OF CITIES.
I'M GOING, I, THIS IS A QUICK QUOTE, I'M GONNA SKIP IT INTO, FROM A MAYOR THAT TALKS ABOUT THE, THE, THE IMPACT OF ARTS.
YOU CAN READ THIS ON YOUR PEN.
UH, IN 20, IN 2022, THE CITY OF GARLAND GARLAND CULTURAL ARTS STUDY IN THE ARTS OF ECONOMIC PROSPERITY SIX, WHICH IS A, A RESEARCH PROJECT RUN BY AMERICAN FOR THE ARTS.
IT'S AN ECONOMIC AND SOCIAL IMPACT STUDY IN THE NATION'S NON-PROFIT, ARTS AND CULTURE INDUSTRY.
WE PARTICIPATED IN IT AND THE RESULTS I THINK ARE, ARE IMPORTANT FOR, ACCORDING TO THIS, IN 2022, THE DIRECT ECONOMIC ACTIVITY BY GARLAND, NONPROFIT ARTS AND CULTURAL ORGANIZATIONS.
AND THEIR AUDIENCES AMOUNTED TO OVER 18 MILLION.
IS THAT THE PRICE OF TICKETS SOLD? UH, THIS IS, OKAY, THIS IS EVENT RELATED SPENDING.
THIS IS, THIS IS NOT TICKET SALES.
THIS IS RELATED TO THE EVENT RELATED, UH, BY ARTS.
AND, UH, SO THAT ATTENDANT, THE ATTENDEES SPENT ALMOST 16 MILLION.
UH, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT LOCAL ATTENDEES SPENT WELL MADE THAT COUNTS ALL OF COLLIN, DALLAS AND ROCKWALL COUNTIES.
AND THEN THERE'S NON LOCAL ATTENDEES.
SO WE'RE GETTING PEOPLE NOT, THIS IS NOT JUST THE BARLEY, UH, RESIDENTS.
AND THE EVENT SPENDING PER PERSON PER EVENT, LOCAL ATTENDEES, THIS IS LIKE FOOD AND DRINK.
UH, RETAIL SHOPPING, STAY OVERNIGHT, STAY.
LOCAL ATTENDEES WERE SPENDING $26, 21 CENTS PER EVENT.
NON-LOCAL ATTENDEES WERE SPENDING 25 75.
SO ALL ATTENDEES ARE SPENDING 29 35 PER EVENT.
SO THEY, ECONOMIC IMPACT OF THAT IS LOCAL TAX REVENUE BY ARTS AND CULTURAL ORGANIZATIONS.
AND THEIR AUDIENCES WAS, UH, 600, OVER $660,000.
THAT'S LOCAL TAX REVENUE RIGHT THERE.
THAT'S FROM THE CULTURAL ARTS.
THE, UH, THE, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT DESTINATIONS.
WELL, THESE EVENTS ARE DESTINATIONS.
THE EVENTS AT THE GRANDVILLE AND THE PLAZA, THIS IS FROM, UH, FOR TWO YEARS.
THE PAST TWO YEARS, ACCORDING TO PRE KINDLE
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TICKET SALES, THIS IS WHERE PEOPLE WERE BUYING THEIR TICKETS TO COME TO EVENTS IN GARLAND.IT'S NOT JUST DARLAND OR THE DFO MARY, IT'S ALL OVER.
WE HAVE MADE THE STAPLES COME IN THE MAP FOR THAT FROM
IT WAS ALL OVER, ALL OVER TEXAS AND, AND AROUND.
SO THIS ISN'T, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAVE EVENTS, IT'S NOT JUST DARLAND RESIDENTS SHOWING UP.
SO THE POINT IS, WHEN YOU HEAR ABOUT CULTURAL ARTS, I WANT YOU TO THINK OF MORE THAN, HEY, THAT WAS A GREAT SHOW, OR A GREAT CONCERT, OR, THAT'S BEAUTIFUL ART.
UH, I WANT YOU TO THINK TO TURN ON INVESTMENT CULTURAL ARTS.
SO MY FIRST PROPOSAL IS THE ARTS CENTER RENOVATION.
THERE ARE VENUES IN GARLAND THAT HOST CULTURAL ARTS EVENTS, BUT THE CROWN JEWEL IS THE ARTS CENTER.
UH, IN 1982, THE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER WAS CREATED TO MOUNT
UH, IT WAS BUILT, UH, IN 1982, REALIZE IT BECAME, WE BECAME, GARLAND BECAME THE FIRST DALLAS SUBURB TO HAVE AN ARTS CENTER.
THIS WAS THE, IT'S THE HOME OF THE GARDEN SUMMER MUSICALS ACROSS THEATER SYMPHONY, DALLAS BALLET, AND NUMEROUS OTHERS.
IN THE PAST YEAR, FROM OCTOBER LAST YEAR TO RIGHT NOW, THERE HAVE BEEN IN THE GRANDVILLE ARTS CENTER, 553 TOTAL EVENTS, PLUS 13 ARCTIC EXHIBITS WERE VISITED BY OVER 75,000 PEOPLE AT THE GRANDVILLE.
BUT THE GRANDVILLE IS OVER 40 YEARS OLD, AND TIME HAS TAKEN ITS TOLL ACCORDING TO A FACILITY CONDITION ASSESSMENT.
MOST OF THE MECHANICAL SYSTEMS ARE AT OR WAY PAST WIDE, UH, INCLUDING FIRE SUPPRESSION, HVAC, ELECTRICAL, WATER, HEAT.
UH, THE ASSESSMENT IDENTIFIES THE FACILITY AS HIGH PRIORITY.
AND IF YOU'VE BEEN TO A SHOW AT THE GRAND, THE BIG, THE BIG THEATER, WHO HAS, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY, THE ACCESSIBILITY IS NOT GREAT.
THERE'S NO A EA SEATING TO GET TO YOUR SEAT, EVEN FOR A, FOR A ABLE-BODIED ATTENDEE, IT'S DIFFICULT.
I, YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH, AGAIN, IT'S HARD GETTING AROUND IN THERE.
SO MY PROPOSAL, THE GRAND BULL ARTS CENTER CELEBRATES ITS 50TH ANNIVERSARY IN 23RD TWO.
AND THIS PROPOSAL FOR A SPOT ON BOND STUDY SUBMISSION IS FOR A RENOVATION AND REMODEL THE, THE, THE GRANDVILLE THAT WILL TRANSITION WITHIN YOU TO THE NEXT 50 YEARS AND BEYOND.
BESIDES UPGRADING THE EXISTING, UH, OUTDATED MECHANICAL SYSTEMS, WE ALSO WANNA INCREASE THE ACCESSIBILITY AND FUNCTIONALITY BY RECONFIGURING THE BROWNIE AUDITOR IN THE SMALL THEATER TO INCREASE THE UNIVERSAL ACCESSIBILITY AND COMFORT ADDRESS THE NO A DAC AND GETTING AROUND THE THEATERS, WE WOULD REDESIGN THE LOBBY AND, UH, LOBBY BOX OFFICE AND CONCESSION AREA TO EXPAND SERVICE OPERATIONS.
WE HAVE IMPROVED THE ADMINISTRATION AREA WITH THE ADDITION OF A MEETING ROOM, CLASSROOM SPACE, AND WE RESTRUCTURE THE FACILITY FRONT OF ELEVATION TO BUILD CONNECTION TO DOWNTOWN SQUARE AND ATTRACT VISITORS.
WE'LL GO THROUGH A QUICK FLOOR PLAN OF WHAT WOULD HAPPEN.
THE GRAY AREA RIGHT HERE IS THE STAGE AREA, THE, UH, RENOVATIONS DONE WITH THAT LIKE 12 YEARS AGO.
WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW IS AN ACTUAL SEATING AREA, ADDRESSING
TAKING THE OFFICES NOW, MAKE THAT A, A LARGE CLASSROOM, RECONFIGURING THE RESTROOM AREA, MOVING, CONSOLIDATING, UH, RIGHT HERE, PUTTING IN A NEW LOBBY FOR THE LARGE THEATER AND SMALL THEATER.
AND REDOING THIS TO HAVE A BOX OFFICE THAT FACES THE OUTSIDE INSTEAD OF HAVING TO GO INSIDE FROM A BOX OFFICE, AN ACTUAL CONCESSION STAND BEHIND IT WITH A KITCHEN, SMALL KITCHEN.
NOW, UH, WHAT KIND OF WALK YOU THROUGH, UH, UH, A RENDERING CONCEPT OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
AND LET'S SAY WE'RE WALKING UP TO GO TO AN EVENT AT THE, UH, GRAND GOAL.
HERE'S THE EXISTING GRAND GOAL, AND HERE'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW.
WE'LL SEE AN ATTRACTIVE SLEEVE AD MONITOR FACADE.
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ENTRANCE WHERE THERE'S A WALKUP WALK OF THIS.THIS IS NOW THE ENTRYWAY TO A LARGE THEATER AND SMALL THEATER AND A BOX OFFICE THAT'S RIGHT THERE.
YOU GO INSIDE WITH A NEW LOBBY AREA WITH THE CONCESSION, ACTUAL CONCESSION.
STAND THERE AND THEN YOU'LL FIND YOUR WAY TO YOUR SEAT.
NEWLY ACCESSIBLE, UH, UH, THEATERS.
SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, I WANT TO, I WANT MAKE A MISTAKE.
THIS, THIS PROJECT IS, IS A PRETTY BIG, I, IT'S GONNA BE A PRETTY BIG COST ITEM.
UH, BUT THE ALTERNATIVE COULD BE MUCH COST NEAR.
RIGHT NOW, THE CITY OF FRISCO IS LOOKING AT BUILDING AN ART CENTER.
UH, THEIR FIRST COST CAME IN LAST JANUARY AT FOUR $64 MILLION.
BUT THE CHANGES THEY WANT, IT'S STILL GONNA BE A LOT.
WE, WHAT WE DON'T WANT IS WHAT'S HAPPENED TO THE FRANK LLOYD WRIGHT DESIGN, K HUMPHREYS THEATER IN DALLAS.
I DUNNO IF YOU KNOW THAT, BUT IT IS DEGRADED.
SADLY, UH, THEY MAKE PLANS TO TRY TO UPGRADE THE THEATER AND ITS AREA.
THE CITY OF DALLAS, AND IT'S TOO MUCH.
THEY PUT A SMALL, THERE'S JUST A LITTLE BANDAID IN THEIR LATEST BOND, AND IT'S ALL IT'S GONNA DO IS UPGRADE THE HVAC AND THIS, AND A FEW OTHER THINGS.
AND WE HAVE, AND DALLAS HAS THIS GREAT FACILITY, AND IT'S HISTORIC, AND IT IS JUST GOING DOWNHILL.
I WOULD THINK FOR A FUTURE BOND STUDY COMMITTEE LIKE OURS THAT COME IN AND ASK THE CITY TO SCRAPE THE GRAND MILL TO BUILD A NEW ARTS CENTER, I THINK NOW IS THE TIME TO, TO RESTORE AND, UH, IMPROVE A FACILITY THAT WE CAN BE PROUD OF FOR ANOTHER 50 YEARS.
THIS IS BASICALLY GETTING THIS UP TO SCALE FOR ANOTHER 40 TO 50 YEARS.
SO THAT'S PROPOSAL NUMBER ONE.
UH, PROPOSAL NUMBER TWO, ARTIST, STUDIO AND GALLERY SPACE AND ACTIVATION OF NORTH FIFTH STREET.
AND WE'VE KIND OF LOOKED AT THAT AREA A LITTLE BIT BEFORE.
BEFORE I GO INTO THIS PARTICULARLY, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT WEST DALLAS AROUND 20 YEARS AGO, WHICH MC REGOR, PHIL ROMANO AND STUART PI STARTED BUYING OLD INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS IN WEST DALLAS.
THEY ASKED, HOW ARE WE GONNA GET PEOPLE TO COME TO THIS AREA, TO WEST DALLAS? AND THEY COME IN WITH, THERE'S TWO WAYS TO GET PEOPLE TO TRAVEL, ART, AND FOOD.
SO PHIL ROMANO STARTED TURNING TO GROVES, AND AT THE SAME TIME, BUTCH MCGREGOR WAS TAKING OLD CAR SHOPS AND METALWORK SHOPS ACROSS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF SINGLETON.
AND TURNING THAT INTO WHAT'S CALLED NOW THE 10 DISTRICT.
THE 10 DISTRICT IS NOW ONE OF DALLAS'S PRIME CENTERS FOR OUR ACTIVITY.
SOME OF THE MAJOR ARTISTS IN DALLAS ARE STUDIO, STUDIO IN INDUSTRY.
UM, THIS, THIS ACTIVATION OF THIS WHOLE AREA AND EVERYTHING ALONG WITH THE, THE, THE TRINITY GROVES.
SO NOW IN BETWEEN SINGLETON, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE BEEN AROUND THAT AREA, BUT IF YOU KNOW, IT WAS PRETTY MUCH 10, 15 YEARS AGO, WASTELAND.
AND THE DEVELOPER THAT JUST BOUGHT BOUGHT THIS FROM THAT GROUP, UH, GOLDEN ON, I BELIEVE THEY'RE CALLED.
THEY JUST ANNOUNCED IN MAY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO EXPAND COURSE.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA TAKE ANOTHER 45 ACRES OF WEST DALLAS, AND THEY'RE PUTTING IN RESIDENTIAL HOTEL.
SO THIS WEST DALLAS IS GONNA BE IN A FEW YEARS, VERY, VERY DIFFERENT.
SO WHAT, WHAT THIS MEANS, WHAT I WANT IS THIS PROPOSAL IS FOR THE START, THE INITIAL STEP FOR CREATING A MINIATURE VERSION OF THAT WEST DALLAS VISION.
WE'RE LOOKING AT THE WE, THE NORTH FIFTH STREET ARTS ACTIVATION.
ACH WAS TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HERE'S DALLAS COLLEGE, TWO 40, YOU, HERE'S THE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER.
THERE'S SCOOPING BUNS, THERE'S DALLAS COLLEGE.
SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT DOING THINGS FIVE YEARS.
AND HERE'S THE, THE, UH, NORTH PARKING LOT OF THE, THE ARTS STATION THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT DOING THINGS.
WELL, SOME OF THESE INDUSTRIAL
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BUILDINGS RIGHT HERE ARE COMING UP FOR SALE.THERE'S, I BELIEVE, THREE FOR SALE RIGHT NOW.
WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS, UM, STIMULATING THIS AREA BY FOLLOWING THE WEST DALLAS, UH, MODEL OF ART.
WE WANT TO CREATE AN ART FRIENDLY ENVIRONMENT THAT ATTRACTS ARTISTS AND ATTRACTS VISITORS.
IT'S A DESTINATION ATTRACTS PEOPLE WHO WANT TO LIVE IN A WALKABLE, UNIQUE, UH, COMMUNITY AND AND ATTRACT INVESTORS.
SO THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL VISION OF WHAT WE HAVE.
UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO SPARK THIS ACTIVATION BY PURCHASING AND RENOVATING ONE OF THE EXISTING, UH, INDUSTRIAL PROPERTIES TO CREATE AN ARTIST CENTER.
THIS COULD INCLUDE, UH, ARTIST, STUDIO SPACE, GALLERY CLASSROOMS, UH, IT COULD BE KILNS, UH, JUST ANYTHING TO MAKE IT AN ARTIST CENTER.
UH, THIS ACTUAL PROPERTY WAS UP FOR SALE A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, AND IT KIND OF SLIPPED AWAY, BUT IT DID A CONCEPTUAL VISION OF WHAT THIS COULD, COULD BE.
UH, SO THIS IS TAKING ONE PROPERTY AND USING IT AS A SEED, CREATE, UH, AN ARTIST FOCUSED ENVIRONMENT.
UH, AGAIN, THIS IS THE 10 DISTRICT.
WE HAVE OUR OWN KIND OF VERSION THERE ON NORTH FIFTH STREET, DRIVEN ON THAT OF INDUSTRIAL KIND OF BUILDINGS THAT COULD BE UTILIZED.
IT'S NOT EXPENSIVE TO RENOVATE THEM.
IT'S SIMPLE RENOVATIONS FOR, FOR WHAT THE 10 DISTRICT HAS DONE.
POLISH CONCRETE FLOORS, WIPE BOX WALLS.
UH, THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO A WHOLE LOT TO MAKE THESE INTO THE TWO PARTS AREAS.
YOU CAN HAVE MOVABLE GALLERY WALLS.
MOVABLE GALLERY WALLS IS EASY TO DO.
AND THEN YOU CAN TAKE PARTITIONS OR WALLS AND MAKE STUDIO SPACE.
RIGHT NOW AT THE 10 DISTRICT, THERE'S A WAITING LIST FOR THEIR STUDIO SPACE.
THEIR STUDIOS ARE NEVER IMPLEMENT.
THEY RENT 'EM OUT FOR A DOLLAR PER SQUARE FOOT, WHICH IS INCREDIBLE.
BUT THEY'RE NOT LOOKING TO MAKE A PRODUCT.
THEY KNOW WHAT ARTISTS SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, SO THEY'RE NOT LOOKING TO MAKE A PRODUCT.
THEY'RE LOOKING TO ACTIVATE AN AREA, WHICH IS WHAT WE ARE DOING.
YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO ACTIVATE THIS AREA.
WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO, TO MAKE MONEY ON IT, JUST ENOUGH TO SUSTAIN.
SO, UH, THIS WOULD BE THE ARTIST ARTIST STUDIO SPACE.
THEY ALSO HAVE ALL KINDS OF ACTIVITIES AROUND THAT.
THEY HAVE MONTHLY ARTISTS, HAPPY HOURS.
THEY HAVE MEETUPS, THEY HAVE ART WALKS.
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE ART WALK IN NOVEMBER.
IT'S CALLED THE, UH, ART WALK WEST, WHATEVER.
IT'S WEST, THE WEST DALLAS CHAMBER COMMERCE SPONSOR.
11,000 PEOPLE AT, AT THE, THE 10 DISTRICT.
UM, YOU CAN SEE OUR GROUP, WE'RE TALKING WITH BUSH ANDRE RIGHT THERE.
IT'S, UH, YOU CAN TAKE THESE BUILDINGS AND LIVE 'EM UP AND HAVE ANOTHER PLACE, A DESTINATION FOR PEOPLE TO COME, TAKE PHOTOS, INFLUENCERS, YOU KNOW, JUST A LOT ACTIVITY.
WE LOOKED AT OTHER PLACES, UH, LIKE THAT IN, IN THE AREA AROUND THE, LIKE THE GOLD MAR ART CENTER, WHICH IS TWO, UH, OFFICE BUILDINGS IN, IN NORTH DALLAS, 55,000 SQUARE FEET.
NOW IT'S 150 ARTISTS STUDIOS SPACE INSTEAD.
TWO GALLERIES AND, AND A PRINTMAKING SHOP.
THE CEDARS UNION WHERE THE PARTITION OFFICE, ART STUDIOS, UH, THE CHARLES ADAMS STUDIO PROJECT IN LUBBOCK WHERE THEY INTEGRATED.
THEY HAVE STUDIO SPACE, THEY HAVE GALLERY SPACE.
THEY EVEN HAVE LIVE WORK LIVING AREAS.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE COULD DO THAT IN THE FUTURE.
THIS COULD BE ANOTHER THING IS LIVE WORK FOR, FOR ARTISTS.
SO, UH, CREATING ARTS CENTERS ON NORTH AND BE RELATIVELY LOW COST WAY TO STIMULATE THAT.
ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT AND EXPAND THE REACH OF DOWNTOWN TO THE NORTH.
I KIND OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, DOWNTOWN IS THE SQUARE IS SO GREAT, YOU KNOW, NOW IS THE TIME TO USE IT AS A HUB.
YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT AUSTIN STREET DEVELOPING, YOU KNOW, A HUB TO THE, YOU KNOW, SPOKE TO THE NORTH AND SPOKE TO THE EAST, SPOKE TO THE YOUNG, KNOW THE CITY, THE, THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS HOW WE CAN EXPAND THE SUBMIT ACTIVITY.
IT ALL WILL HELP THE WHOLE AREA.
UM, ART WALKS, GALLERY OPENINGS, ART CLASSES, BLOCK PARTIES.
THEY'RE ALL PROVEN WAYS TO ATTRACT VISITORS AND ENGAGED RESIDENTS.
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I HAVE ONE OTHER QUOTE THAT I'LL READ.AS A BANKER, I'VE VISITED BUSINESSES IN ALMOST EVERY CITY IN TOWN, STATE, VISIBLE PLACES, VIBRANT ARTS COMMUNITY.
I SEE PEOPLE LOOKING FOR PLACES TO PARK.
RESTAURANT PACKED DESIGNER BUSINESS THAT IS EXTENDED AND THE CASH REGISTERS ARE, ARE RING.
I THINK THERE'S PROOF THAT, THAT THE ARTS CAN STIMULATE AN AREA.
AND, UH, SO ANYWAY, I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE ANSWERS, BUT, UH, I TAKE ON QUESTIONS.
ANYBODY? OH, ONE, ONE LAST THING.
I JUST WENT BACK THROUGH THE BUCKET CHARGE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THAT, PRIORITIZING POTENTIAL PROJECTS, UH, NUMBER ONE, CREATING AMENITIES TO PROMOTE.
BARLAND IS A REGIONAL DESTINATION DRIVE TAX.
AND SO CATALYST AREA, THIS IS THE DOWNTOWN CATALYST AREA.
IMPROVE AVAILABILITY AND QUALITY LOCK FOLLOW RESIDENTS.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SEE.
UH, SUPPORTING THE ROTATION, EXPANSION, RECRUITMENT OF EMPLOYERS.
BUSINESS INCUBATORS AND INNOVATION HUBS.
UH, PROXIMITY AND TRANSPORTATION HUBS.
ENCOURAGEMENT, REDEVELOPMENT, UNDERUTILIZED.
LAND ASSEMBLY AND INFILL DEVELOPMENT.
SO VIRTUALLY ALL OF THESE ARE CHECKED OFF BY THESE PROJECTS.
SO ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? I'M START WITH MARY, AND I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE ANY ANSWERS.
YOU MAY NOT HAVE, BUT LET, LET ME PUT ON MY, UM, FUNDRAISING HAT BECAUSE I ALSO DO THAT.
GRANVILLE RENOVATION, UH, LOOKS LIKE IT COULD BE IDEALLY SITUATED AS A PHILANTHROPIC INVESTMENT.
AND WE HAVE, WE HAVE HEND HIDDEN MILLIONAIRES IN GARLAND.
WE NEED TO, WE DO, TAPPING INTO THEM IS NOT EASY.
I KNOW, BUT I'M LOOKING AT SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE AN INVESTMENT BY EVEN ONE OF OUR BUSINESS PEOPLE TO, TO CHANGE THAT BECAUSE THE GRANDBURY IS, IS WELL KNOWN.
AND IF IT NEEDS THIS KIND OF WORK, I DOUBT THAT PEOPLE KNOW IT.
AND I'M ONE OF THOSE THAT TRY TO NEGOTIATE THAT SMALL THEATER.
THE OTHER PLACE, WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE 10 CITY CONCEPT, UHHUH IS EXCITING AS HELL BECAUSE IT DOES EXPAND WHAT IS GOING ON IN DOWNTOWN GARLAND.
IT GIVES US A PLACE FOR, UH, PEOPLE TO BE IN A CREATIVE SPACE.
AND AGAIN, IT MAY WELL HAVE SOME PHILANTHROPIC POSSIBILITIES AS WELL AS ALL THAT.
AND, AND THIS IS KIND OF A LOW COST ITEM.
AND ALSO YOU TALK ABOUT PHILANTHROPIC OR WHATEVER.
THIS AREA COULD ALSO USE A BLACK BOX STANDARD.
YOU KNOW, THAT KNOW IF PEOPLE WANTED TO GET THROUGH.
BUT, SO YEAH, I THINK I CAN, I CAN SEE SEED MONEY COMING FROM THE BOND TO MAYBE DO SOMETHING THAT IS, CREATES A, A, A NUCLEUS.
BUT I ALSO SEE THE EXPANSION ALSO GROWING IN A FIELD.
I SEE THE EXPANSION TOO, ESPECIALLY WITH, WITH DALLAS COLLEGE, WHICH ALL ARE GONNA DO.
THAT'S GONNA BE, WE'LL SEE BE POTENTIAL.
SO YES, I'M IN FAVOR OF THE 10 CITY.
UH, I JUST THINK THE GRANDVILLE WILL BE WAY IN THE FUTURE PART, BUT THE 10 CITY IS WHAT WE NEED NOW.
UM, BUT I, I WANTED TO MAKE GRANDVILLE IS NOT IN THE FUTURE.
THE REASON THAT STUDY CAME ABOUT IS, AS YOU MENTIONED, THAT WE DID AN INITIAL, UM, ASSESSMENT ON THE FACILITY.
AND, AND AMY MAY CHIME IN A LITTLE BIT, THAT THE NEEDS THAT IT HAD ONCE WE HIRED AN ARCHITECT TO EVALUATE IT WAS BUILT BEFORE THE AADA A LAW PASSED IN THE NINETIES.
UM, SO THAT, THAT'S A CONCERN, UH, THAT HAS TO BE ADDRESSED.
UH, THE AGING INFRASTRUCTURE IS A CONCERN.
IT HAS TO BE HANDLED AT SOME POINT SOON.
MM-HMM,
AND I, I'M GONNA AGREE THE FUTURE'S HERE.
I MEAN, WE, AMY ROSENTHAL, THE, THE ONE, THE FAMOUS AMY ROSENTHAL
IT PROBABLY JUST NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT FROM AN INFLATIONARY STANDPOINT.
BUT I THINK WE'VE DONE A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF HITTING OUR CAPACITY AND FILLING THAT THING UP AS OFTEN AS WE COULD POSSIBLY DO IT.
AND IT COMES WITH SOME CHALLENGES THAT ARE BUILT INTO IT.
AND SO WE'VE FELT LIKE WE'RE ALREADY STICKING 7, 8, 9, 10 MILLION INTO IT TO GET IT FIXED.
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TO GET IT? ANOTHER 40.AND AND THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH AND THANK YOU CHIP FOR, FOR YOUR ENERGY ENTHUSIASM TO SHARE SOME OF THESE ARTS INITIATIVES.
UM, AS ANDY REFERENCED, 90% OF THE SYSTEMS, THE MECHANICAL SYSTEMS OF THE GRANDVILLE ART CENTER ARE AT OR BEYOND LIFE CENTER.
THAT'S KIND OF NOT VERY SEXY STUFF, RIGHT? I MEAN IT'S THE MECHANICAL SYSTEMS OF THE BUILDING.
AND SO TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THE SEATING ACCESSIBLE FOR ALL AUDIENCES.
SO IF YOU HAVE SOMEBODY THAT HAS A WHEELCHAIR OR A WALKER, THEY'RE NOT SITTING IN THE BACK ROW BY THEMSELVES.
WE HAVE THE MAFIA ON FRIDAY NIGHT, 760 PEOPLE, 88% OF THOSE ATTENDEES, THAT WAS THEIR FIRST TIME VISIT TO THE GRANDVILLE ART CENTER.
WE HAD PEOPLE TRAVELING IN FROM OKLAHOMA.
THESE ARE REALLY INCREDIBLE FACILITIES THAT CITIES LIKE FRISCO ARE TRYING TO BUILD.
SO THINKING ABOUT AN OPPORTUNITY, I MEAN, IT IS A, IT IS A, A LARGER PROJECT.
I MEAN, ESTIMATES ARE SOMEWHERE 17 TO $20 MILLION.
SO, BUT HOW, YOU KNOW, TO TAKE US THROUGH THE NEXT 50 YEARS.
AGAIN, AND LIKE I SAID, OUR ALL RETURN ON INVESTMENT.
SOME OF THESE THINGS WE TALK ABOUT, THESE ARE, I HOPE THESE THINGS WORK OUT AND THIS IS GREAT.
THIS IS THE GRAND IS A SURE THING.
AND MISS MARY, I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW THE, UH, THE MILLIONAIRES CARD I TO TALK.
I I DO THINK THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THERE TO BE SOME PRIVATE OPPORTUNITY.
YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, YOU HAVE TO SEE IT THAT WAY.
AND THEN, AND I THINK WE ALL, YOU KNOW, DON'T WANT HAVE THE CITY TO CARRY THE POOL BURDEN ON THIS.
BUT THEN ON THE OTHER HAND, THIS IS SUCH A JEWEL.
UM, JUST NEED TO GET A PACKAGE.
UM, I FULLY SUPPORT BRINGING IT UP, ESPECIALLY WITH A DA ACCOMMODATIONS.
I, IT IS SO FAR BEYOND TIME TO THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT AS WELL.
BUT, UM, I I, I AGREE WITH THE INVESTING AND KEEPING IT IN SHAPE FOR THE FUTURE.
AND THAT, I MEAN THE, THAT REALLY EXPENSIVE DOWN THE ROAD, THAT COST SEEMS MUCH MORE REASONABLE THAN HAVING TO START OVER LATER.
UM, THAT'S, IF, IF THOSE COSTS ARE WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT, THAT IS LESS THAN I WOULD'VE EXPECTED.
UM, AND I AGREE WITH THE INVESTMENT IN THE ARTS AND THE RETURNS YOU SEE ON THAT.
UM, 'CAUSE WE'VE, I MEAN YOU CAN SEE IT ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
UM, I, I'VE GOT FAMILY IN NEW YORK THAT ARE IN THE ARTS.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S BROOKLYN HAS JUST EXPLODED WITH, WITH NOT JUST THE ARTS COMMUNITY, BUT A LARGE PART OF IT.
AND ARTS AND ECONOMIC PROSPERITY REPORT ONLINE AND IT HAS THE FULL NATION, YOU KNOW, IT HAS INFORMATION.
YOU CAN LOOK UP MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE, THE, THE PROOF IS THERE AND IT CAN REALLY HELP KIND OF REVOLUTIONIZE AREAS.
UM, THEY, THEY, MY BROTHER-IN-LAW TOLD ME THAT DETROIT IS ACTUALLY COMING UP AS AN ARTIST COMMUNITY.
UM, IT IT'S, IT'S KIND OF A MOBILE IT CAN YEAH.
IMPACT, RIGHT? MY MANTRA ALWAYS THERE.
WHAT I LOVE ABOUT CREATIVE, OF VISUAL AND PERFORMING IS IF YOU GO ANYWHERE AND LIKE WHEN WE TOURED SOME OF THESE AREAS IS JUST BRINGING ENERGY.
AND WHAT I LOVE ABOUT THIS IS THAT, THAT THAT CREATIVE CULTURE IS WHAT YOU WANT IN YOUR DESTINATIONS AND YOUR ANCILLARY LIVING AREAS TO HAVE SOMETHING.
AND IT, IT SPANS ALL SOCIOECONOMIC DEMOGRAPHICS.
LIKE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT CREATING A GARLAND VIBE.
UH, TONY HAD ONE MORE QUESTION AND THEN WE'LL THEN WE WILL MOVE ON.
UH, TONY TORRES, I'VE LIVED HERE FOR 52 YEARS AND EVERY COMMITTEE, EVERY UH, BOARD, WHAT HAVE YOU, I'VE SERVED ON, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE COMMENT, A CONCERN ABOUT GARLAND HAVING AN IMAGE PROBLEM.
UH, WOULD THIS BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO RECTIFY SOME OF THOSE PERCEPTIONS ALL DAY LONG? YES.
AND IT ALREADY HAS THAT, IT ALREADY HAS A REPUTATION.
I KNOW WHEN I CAME TO WORK HERE FIVE YEARS AGO, UM, I LIVE, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE TOWNS OVER AND I HAD SOME FRIENDS LIKE, OH MAN, YOU'RE GONNA WORK FOR THE CITY GARLAND.
THEY GOT THE GRANDVILLE ARTS HERE AND THEIR KIDS CAME THROUGH THERE.
UM, THE, UH, I TOOK MY DAUGHTER TO, UM, CHICAGO ONE TIME TO GO SEE HAMILTON.
AND SO THE, THE, THE, HIS NAME'S GONNA ESCAPE ME, WHICH WILL HELP ME.
SO THE, WHEN I WENT THERE, THE GUY THAT WAS
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MIGUEL CERVANTES, THAT WAS THE, THE MAIN CHARACTER MY DAUGHTER GOT TO MEET AND, AND HE CAME THROUGH THE GARLAND, THE GRAND THEATER.I DO THINGS WITH DALLAS GROUPS AND BUSINESS COUNCIL FOR THE ART AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE IN THE LAST YEAR OR TWO COME UP.
SO WHAT'S GOING ON IN GARLAND? THERE'S, THERE'S STUFF'S WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE.
UM, LET'S, UH, I I HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION, KIM.
WE NEED TO GO ON HERE GUYS REAL FAST.
SO THE 17 TO 20 MILLION, DOES THAT INCLUDE BOTH PROJECTS OR JUST THE GRANDVILLE? NO, THAT'S JUST THE GRANDVILLE.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT, SO SOME OF THE, THE PROPERTIES AND, AND THEY'RE, THEY VARY, BUT I'VE SEEN THEM ON THE MARKET ANYWHERE FROM ONE AND A HALF TO 3 MILLION FOR EACH OF THOSE.
YOU KNOW, THAT WAS PROBABLY LAST YEAR.
BUT, UM, SO THOSE THREE, OR I WANNA SAY THREE OR 4 MILLION.
BEFORE WE GO ONTO OUR NEXT PRESENTATION, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA VOTE WHETHER TO SEND THIS TO KINLEY HORN FOR EVALUATION OR NOT.
SO, UH, WE HAVE 15 PEOPLE HERE.
WE'LL SEND THIS ON TO KINLEY HORN.
THANK YOU CHIP FOR THAT PRESENTATION.
AND THANK YOU LADIES FOR SHOWING UP TO SUPPORT IT.
ALRIGHT, JAR AND KRISTEN ARE UP NEXT.
I'M DISTRICT FIVE DELEGATIONS.
SO WE'RE GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MARKETPLACE AREA.
UM, FOR US LIVING IN THE AREA, WE'RE IN A UNIQUE POSITION WHERE WE LIVE IN SOUTH.
IT'S ACTUALLY EASIER TO GET TO DALLAS AT OTHER PLACES FOR SHOPPING, DINING ENTERTAINMENT THAN IT'S TO ACTUALLY GO PATRONIZE LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO FLIP THE SCRIPT.
WE DRIVE DOWN AVENUE AND GO OUT TO DINNER AND DOWN LAKE ISLAND.
LET'S BUILD SOMETHING THAT WILL, AND ALSO JUST TO BE THE AREA WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REALLY DOES THIS AREA RIGHT HERE, THIS CATALYST AREA AND FOR ORIENTATION, UM, SOME OF THE SPACES, IT'S A LARGE AREA AND THEN THERE'S THIS CONNECTOR MORE OF FOUNDATION FOR PROJECT.
SO WE COME UP WITH AREA, WE'RE THINKING SOMETHING LIKE AREA FOR, SO FIRE GO INTO CREATING EVIDENCE.
SO WHILE WE DO WANT, WE DO WANT PROJECT FOR AREA, WE ALSO OF THAT AS A WHOLE CAN BE.
AND ALSO INCORPORATING THOSE ADDITIONAL ELEMENT THAT GO ALONG BRIDGE.
SO YOU HAVE SAY AREA ALSO ALSO AREAS AS RESTAURANT, OTHER DESTINATIONS.
SO EVEN, YOU KNOW, KIND OF IF THIS ESTABLISHED KICK STARTED, GET SOME REVITALIZATION GOING, BUT THEN THAT FURTHER AROUND ROAD, WHY NOT A RESTAURANT? WHY NOT? BUT YEAH, SO KEY ELEMENT OF IDEAS ABOUT HOW TO USE, YOU KNOW, BE EASY TO CONNECT.
UM, ENTERTAINMENT, SPORTING VENUE,
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DESTINATION, UM, ALONGSIDE RETAIL RESTAURANTS, SUPPORT PARTICULARLY, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT A COUPLE OF THAT COULD REALLY GET SOMETHING THAT TRAFFIC IN.UM, AND THEN OF COURSE LANDSCAPING.
THINGS THAT THE CITY COULD ACTUALLY, MAYBE SOME OF THE MONEY HELP WITH SOME OF THAT.
WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IT, I WAS THINKING ABOUT IT LIKE A RESEARCH JUST, JUST TO, YOU KNOW, GET GOING TO DRIVE TO REALLY GIVE US THE LEVERAGE, TO HAVE THE PERSEVERANCE TO GET THE RIGHT PARTNERS AND GET THE RIGHT ESTABLISHED KICK START THE WHOLE EFFORT.
SO THINKING ABOUT THE CHARGE BUCKETS, CERTAINLY REVITALIZATION IS A CHECK MARK.
UM, QUARTERS AND GATEWAYS, IT'S REALLY FREE.
IT'S 6 35 AVENUE AND THERE'S AS WELL, SO IT'S THOSE THREE, UM, DESTINATION IN SOUTH
SHARON SHARONDA HAS A QUESTION.
FIRST, I LOVE IT THAT WE WOULD HAVE A RESTAURANT STREET.
'CAUSE UH, GREENVILLE, I USED TO GO DOWN GREENVILLE A LOT IN HENDERSON A LOT WHERE ALL THE ENTERTAINMENT IS AND, AND THE LIGHTS AND OH MY GOD, THAT IS GONNA BE SO PERFECT.
UH, AND WHERE'S THIS AT AGAIN? IT'S DOWN 6 35 RIGHT AT THE CORRIDORS OF, UH, WHERE WE WANNA PUT THE TIGER WOODS.
BUT WHAT WE GONNA DO ABOUT THE DALLAS TRAFFIC? OH, ACROSS FROM US.
WHAT WE GONNA DO ABOUT THAT? BECAUSE IF YOU GO, NO, I DIDN'T.
WELL WE, I MEAN 'CAUSE NO MATTER HOW BEAUTIFUL WE MAKE THAT, WE STILL HAVE THAT YOU SIDE MURAL, RIGHT? PUT A MURAL OR SOMETHING.
PUT SOMETHING UP THERE BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA LOOK BEAUTIFUL, RIGHT?
AND IT'S LIKE, OKAY, BUT WE KNOW WHAT'S PAST THERE.
THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT, WHAT'S IT CALLED? YOU ACTUALLY CHECK MORE THAN YOU PUT ON THERE.
OH, THAT'S JUST LIKE, THAT'S LIKE SOCCER FIELDS AND A SAM'S, IT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE.
UM, LINDSEY, UM, THE WALKABILITY REFERENCE, I, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SEEING, CONNECTING THOSE TWO AREAS.
IF THERE WAS SOME WAY TO AESTHETICALLY DO THAT.
'CAUSE LIKE WE'VE SEEN PEDESTRIAN BRIDGES AND TYPICALLY, UM, VERY UTILITARIAN, YOU THINK ABOUT THAT'S YOU, THAT KIND CONCEPT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED.
AND YES, YOU CAN ACTUALLY TURN THOSE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGES INTO OUR FORM.
UM, WITH, WITH CONSIDERATION AND CREATIVITY.
IT'S GOT SOME CHALLENGES, BUT WE RECOGNIZE, YOU KNOW, HOWEVER THIS ENDS UP, YOU KNOW, THIS MULTIFAMILY WHATEVER, SOME KIND OF DESTINATION.
GOTTA CONNECT, GOTTA MAKE SURE THIS IS WALKABLE, MAKE SURE THAT INTERIORS WALKABLE.
UM, IT MIGHT BE SAFER TO HAVE SOME KIND OF PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE OVER.
I CAN TELL YOU IT'LL BE KIND OF A FUN ENGINEERING PIECE.
I YOU HAVE TO GO OVER A VERY WIDE RIGHT OF WAY.
YOU HAVE TO STAY UNDERNEATH ENCORE'S TRANSMISSION LINE AND YOU HAVE TO STAY A CERTAIN DISTANCE ABOVE THE KC S RAILWAY.
WELL WHAT IF IT WAS KIND OF IN THERE BETWEEN SHILOH AND LEON OVER OFF TO THE, JUST A THEORETICAL, BUT WHERE, WHERE NOW IN BETWEEN SHILOH AND LEON, THIS INSTEAD OF DIRECTLY ACROSS THAT INTERSECTION.
YEAH, THAT, WHAT IS THAT? THAT IS A FABULOUS, UM, SUPPLIER OF ELECTRICITY.
AND THERE'S, AND IT MAKES IT EVEN MORE FUN 'CAUSE THERE'S ACTUALLY FOUR PROVIDERS IN THERE.
THERE'S KEEPING L THERE'S ENCORE, UH, TRINITY.
OH SIR, I WAS JUST AT A FOOTBALL GAME AT A AND M TUNNELS, SPEAKING OF FOOTBALL, SEVEN TO THREE COWBOYS BECAUSE THE TRAIN TRACKS GO RIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF TOWN.
SO THEY TUNNELED UNDER YOU'RE, YOU'RE 86.
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LANDSCAPING AND LIGHTING.ATTRACTIVE, INVITING, YOU KNOW, IT BECOMES ICONIC ON ITS OWN.
LOOKS LIKE AN ATTRACTIVE FOR SURE.
BOB AND THEN TIM, BOB DUCKWORTH.
I, I, I GUESS YOUR, YOUR PRESENTATION GENERALLY IS TO JUST PUT MAN, PUT THE MONEY INTO THAT AREA FOR ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE ON THAT, UH, THAT LIST WE HAVE.
SO NOT ANY SPECIFIC AREA, BUT SOME GREAT IDEAS AND APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING IT TO US.
I YOU HAVE A SOFT VOICE SIR, PLEASE.
AND ONE OF THE, KIND OF THE UNSPOKEN THINGS THAT MATTERS TO THEY, THEY'RE GONNA PAY ATTENTION TO THE CITIES THAT ARE COMMITTED TO INVESTMENT COMMITTED.
THEY WANNA SEE A CITY THAT WHEN THEY CALL AND SAY, HEY, ABOUT SUCH AND SUCH ZONING, AND WE SAY, POLITICALLY THAT'S NOT GONNA BE AN ISSUE BECAUSE OUR COUNCIL'S ON BOARD.
IS THAT STRUCTURED ISSUE? PROBABLY NOT BECAUSE WE'VE ALLOCATED SOME FUNDS, BUT WHEN THEY SEE OUR INVESTMENTS COMMITTED LOCKED IN, THAT THAT'S AN ATTRACTIVE
NEXT IN THE PERIOD 2012 TO 16, WE PURSUED DALLAS WITH REGARD TO REDOING 6 35 EAST AND FROM ALL THE WAY FROM, UH, MESQUITE TO 75, WHICH NOW YOU'RE SEEING THE RESULTS OF.
UNFORTUNATELY A LOT OF IT'S A PILE OF DIRT AND A LOT OF MATERIALS, BUT THAT'S GOING TO GO AWAY, I UNDERSTAND THE NEXT YEAR.
SO, UH, WE ENGAGED WITH DALLAS BECAUSE THAT AREA IS VERY OLD ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
IT'S A NICE AREA, BUT IT'S, IT'S FAIRLY OLD.
AND THE BRIDGE THERE THEY HAD AT SKILLMAN WAS NOT IN GOOD SHAPE AND DECAYING AND THEY WANTED TO BUILD THAT BRAND NEW BRIDGE OVER 6 35.
SO WE FOUND THE DALLAS CITY COUNCIL THAT WAS READY AND WILLING TO PARTICIPATE IN IMPROVING THIS AREA AND FINDING NEW USES FOR THE LANDS ON EITHER SIDE OF THAT ROADWAY WOULD BE VERY MUCH IN DALLAS INTEREST AS WELL AS OURS.
SO, AND COULD VERY MUCH EXPAND THAT WHOLE AREA.
AND A LOT OF IT IS USED FOR BUSINESS ANYWAY.
SO, UH, UH, IF YOU REALLY WANNA PURSUE THAT, THEN THE, THE, THE CHALLENGE WOULD BE TO GO SIT WITH THE CITY COUNCIL IN DALLAS AND TRY TO GET SOME INTEREST THERE.
AND I WOULDN'T DOUBT THAT THEY WOULD PROBABLY BE, BE VERY INTERESTED IN, IN PURSUING UH, NEW DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA.
'CAUSE A LOT OF IT'S BEEN KIND OF DORMANT SO BE TO RENEW IT IS PROBABLY A REALLY GOOD IDEA FOR THEM AS WELL.
SO THIS HAS BEEN A GOAL FOR US FOREVER.
AND, UH, THE PRO, JUST THE FACT THAT WE'RE ADDING ACCESS ROADS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE 6 35, UH, FOR LONE STAR CADILLAC, IT INCREASES THEIR PROPERTY VALUE BY $3 MILLION.
SO, UH, IT'S GONNA DO THE SAME FOR ALL THE OTHER PROPERTIES IN THE AREA.
SO I WOULD SAY A GOOD THING TO DO IS ENGAGE WITH DALLAS ON THAT VERY SUBJECT.
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SO THERE'S A OF OPPORTUNITY THAT WE CAN DO THINGS THAT OTHER MAJORING CITIES CAN'T DO, IS IT TAKE TIME TO ACQUIRE LAND.
AND SO A LOT OF THE FOUNDATION FOR THIS IS GONNA BE CHALLENGING LAND ASSEMBLY, MAKING SURE IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF HIGH RISE MULTIFAMILY, MAKE SURE WATER LINE SIZE PROVIDE FLOW AND PRESSURE.
UM, SO THERE'S A LOT OF THE GROUNDWORK WE'D HAVE TO LAY, BUT WHAT I LIKE ABOUT IT, HAVE YOU'VE EVER THOUGHT ABOUT THE HUB OR SEEN THE HUB IN BALANCE? YEAH, IT'S VERY SIMILAR.
IT'S AN ENTERTAINMENT MIXED USE.
I THINK THE ELEMENTS THAT ARE IN HERE, THE APPROPRIATE SCALE, I THINK ARE A GREAT IDEA.
TO YOUR POINT, I'LL JUST GIVE YOU A CONTEXT.
SO WHEN I DO THE CONCERTS ACROSS THE STREET, IN WALK WALL, ACROSS POND, WALK WALL, THE AVERAGE ATTENDANCE IS ABOUT 5,000 PEOPLE INTO THAT AMPHITHEATER.
BUT IT ALSO TAKES, PARKING IS A WHOLE THING.
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PARKING FOR VERY EXPENSIVE VERTICAL PARKING.AND SO THAT SIX ACRES WOULD HOLD ROUGHLY FIVE OR 6,000 PEOPLE.
UM, AS HIGH AS SOMETIMES 10,000, 10,000 PEOPLE, JASON CASTRO FROM AMERICAN IDOL BE FOR MY LIFE.
BUT, BUT IT CAN'T HOLD IT ON, ON OCCASION, BUT IT IS A SPACE EATER.
BUT I THINK IN A SCALE WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE LIVING IN APARTMENTS, TOWNS, WHATEVER THEY WANT, QUIET THINGS, THEY WANT WATER, THE MIX MIGHT BE THE FOCUS RATHER THAN SCALE.
UM, BECAUSE EVENTUALLY YOU'LL GET INTO ALL KINDS OF LOGISTICAL CHALLENGES.
YOU MAY EVEN ENGAGE WITH A DEVELOPER, I GUARANTEE YOU THEIR THEIR TERMS AND IDEAS WILL CHANGE.
AND THEN DID YOU HAVE NO, AND THEN RICK LINDSAY, UM, I LOVE THE IDEA OF THAT FERRIS WHEEL.
I ALWAYS GET THAT IN THE CAROUSEL COM MIXED UP.
ANYWAY, FERRIS WHEEL, UH, ESPECIALLY IF WE COULD DRAW IN THE, UH, THE FLOWER, UM, DESIGN ON THERE.
KINDA LIKE THE, AT THE, AT FAIR PARK, HOW THEY DID THE STAR, UH RIGHT.
ANYWAY, UM, AS FAR AS FESTIVALS, AGAIN WITH THE SPACE ISSUE, BUT A LOT OF THOSE ARE ALREADY ESTABLISHED IN A LOT OF AREAS AROUND THE COUNTRY.
UM, LIKE E EACH OF THE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NEW ORLEANS JAZZ AND HERITAGE, UH, EDM THAT'S UP IN MICHIGAN, I THINK, UH, A LOT OF THESE ALREADY HAVE, THEY'RE NOT TRAVELING, THEY'RE NOT YEAH.
UM, THESE AREN'T LIKE TRAVELING THINGS.
AND SO A LOT OF THOSE HAVE ESTABLISHED LOCATIONS FOR THOSE, MOST OF THESE ARE TRAVEL, THAT'S WHY FESTIVAL, RIGHT.
BUT MILWAUKEE WASN'T OFFERING AS MUCH TO THE PEOPLE THAT, SO THAT'S WHY THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE, SO NOW THEY'RE ALWAYS FESTIVALS ARE, SO THEY'RE ALWAYS, EVERY, EVERY YEAR I GUESS WE'RE THINKING ABOUT DIFFERENT FESTIVALS THEN 'CAUSE BUT I I, TO SCALE, RIGHT? THAT'S, I I JUST DON'T SEE THAT SCALE IN THAT SPACE NO MORE THAN ABOUT 1200 BUCKS A CONCERT ON EVERY THURSDAY NIGHT.
IT WAS RECOUPED IN TONS JUST FROM THE RESTAURANT.
BEVERAGE, THE HOTEL ON THURSDAY, NINE 98% POOL.
SO IT DOESN'T, I'M JUST SAYING FROM A SCALE STANDPOINT, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A FESTIVAL.
I I MEAN I, I THINK WHEN WE ORIGINALLY TALKING ABOUT THAT, I LOVE THE IDEA OF THE MUSIC VENUE THERE.
UM, BUT ALSO A MIX OF INDOOR AND OUTDOOR, I WOULD SAY AN INDOOR MUSIC VENUE,
UM, ESPECIALLY IF I'M STANDING UP
BUT, UM, BUT I LOVE THE, THE IDEA OF THE MIX OF THE, THE OUTDOOR FEATURES, UM, AND INDOOR FEATURES.
UM, I THINK THAT WOULD BE USEFUL.
UH, RICKY? YEAH, REAL QUICKLY, UH, LOVE THE CONCEPT BECAUSE AGAIN, IF YOU, IF YOU'VE EVER GONE TO ORLANDO, GONE TO UNIVERSITY CITY WALK, SAME CONCEPT.
SO REGARDING THE PARKING, IF YOU'VE GO TO THE BYRON NELSON, YOU PARK AT ONE LOCATION, YOU TRANSFER IN.
BUT I THINK ANDY, YOU NAILED IT.
IT'S, IT'S JUST MAKE IT A SCALABLE FOR GARLAND.
SO YEAH, THE CONCEPT IS THERE.
WHAT, WHAT WE HOLD THERE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S PROGRAMMING THAT WE CAN DO IN THE FUTURE.
IT'S GOT IT'S GOT ALL THE THINGS.
WHAT, ALRIGHT, UH, MARY, IF I COULD TIE A BOW ON THIS CONVERSATION,
IT'S A LONG WAY FROM COMPLETE, BUT I THINK THAT THE POSSIBILITIES NEED TO BE LOOKED AT BECAUSE THE, THE WHOLE HARBOR THING IS GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A REASON FOR PEOPLE TO GO BESIDES GO EAT.
SO IT'S, I I THINK YOU, YOU ARE ONTO SOMETHING.
I JUST DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ALL OF THIS, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT EVALUATED AS A POSSIBILITY.
BESIDES THAT IT'S 14 TO SIX
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OF WHERE WE'RE, WHERE AREA WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.IS THAT RIGHT? SO JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION FOR ME.
YOU REALLY SEE SCOTT LA MAY WEARING A V LAME
TIM'S GOT ONE MORNING OR HAVE A COMMENT.
IF YOU LOOK AT THAT, THAT, UH, FERRIS WHEEL DO NOT OVERLOOK THE INSURANCE REQUIREMENTS TO RUN SUCH A DEVICE.
AND THE STRINGENT, STRINGENT MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENTS THAT THOSE ITEMS HAVE.
UH, FOR EVERYTHING FROM RUST TO BEARINGS AND, AND, UH, CABLES AND ELECTRICAL AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
BECAUSE THAT'S NOT GONNA BE CHEAP AT ALL.
IT MAY BE IN THE TENS OR HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS A YEAR.
SO, BUT IT'S GOTTA PAY FOR ITSELF THE REVENUE 0.5.
WELL, YOU, WE CAN KEEP IT MOVING AND WE CAN KEEP, KEEP AREA.
WELL, IT MAY FOR A WHILE, BUT IT MAY OR MAY NOT AFTER A WHILE TOO.
AND I'M NOT SAYING DON'T DO IT, I'M JUST SAYING YOU NEED TO EVALUATE THAT IN THE LONG, UH, IN THE LONG TERM.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK KIMLEY HORN WILL BE ABLE TO, TO GIVE US AN EVALUATION ON THAT, KIM.
SO YEAH, MY COMMENT IS JUST THAT WE NEED TO NOT THINK ABOUT IT NECESSARILY AS RESIDENTS OF GARLAND.
BUT PEOPLE COMING TO GARLAND, WE WALK, WE CAN ENJOY IT, BUT WE'RE, IT'S NOT ONLY BEING FUNDED BY THE RESIDENTS OF GARLAND, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, NOT THE POINT AT ALL.
IDEA TO BRING THEM IN, DRAW IN, YOU DRAW IN RESORT OVER THERE AND OF COURSE WE CAN SHARE RETREAT AND ETTE CAN SHARE OUR ENTERTAINMENT.
AND SO THEY'RE BACK AND FORTH AND WE'RE ALL, WE'RE ALL MAKING THE SAME MONEY OFF THE, WE'RE ALL MAKING MONEY OFF THE SAME PIECE.
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AND I JUST WANTED TO STATE THAT WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING BY THAT PARK ON CAMPBELL OR ON SHILOH, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PARK THAT YOU NEVER SEE ANYBODY EVER, EVER.
THERE IS NOBODY A BEAUTIFUL PARK.
I, AND I'M, I'M NOT BEING HYPER.
YOU CAN DRIVE BY AT ANY TIME OF THE DAY ANYTIME.
THERE IS NEVER ANYBODY BECAUSE YOU CAN GO TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE, OF SHILOH TO THE SPRING CREEK, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WILL BE THERE, BUT YOU HAVE TO HIKE.
LIKE HE SAID, YOU HAVE TO HIKE AROUND TO GET TO THIS BEAUTIFUL PARK.
YOU'LL SAY, WOW, THAT'S REALLY NICE.
YEAH, I JUST NEED TO BORROW YOUR FOOT.
SO TALKING, I UNDERSTAND THE CAN'T GET THERE.
I GUESS THE OTHER THOUGHT THOUGH, WERE YOU ALSO THINKING ABOUT A PROPOSAL TO EXPAND THE PARKING LOT? BECAUSE IF YOU THINK ABOUT A WHOLE FAMILY BRINGING A PICNIC, SOMETHING, WE'RE ALL GONNA WALK IN.
NOPE, I JUST WALK IN MIC TO THE PARK BECAUSE THAT'S HOW WE GET PICNIC TODAY.
TODAY I WOULD MOVE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD PICNIC.
I'VE BEEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION PRESIDENT FOR FIVE YEARS AND WE'RE DOING OUR PICNIC HERE 19TH OF OCTOBER.
AND, UH, NO, I JUST WANT BE ABLE TO GET TO IT BY WALKING.
AND THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S ALL I CARE ABOUT.
I DON'T, I DON'T WANT ANYMORE.
BUILD IT AND THEY'LL WALK THERE.
UM, SO YOU, YOU MENTIONED YOUR, UH, THE PEOPLE FROM GAR, UH, DISTRICT SEVEN, YOU KNOW, NOT WANTING TO VOTE FOR THE BONDS, BUT THEY'RE TYPICALLY BROKEN UP INTO SECTIONS YES.
SO WOULD DIFFERENT, THIS WOULD BE A SEPARATE PROPOSAL, WOULD IT NOT? UH, COULD BE.
SO THEY'D BE VERY LIKELY TO VOTE FOR THAT ONE.
BUT IT FALLS IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE BUCKET.
SO IT MIGHT ROLL UP WITH OKAY.
WE DO DON'T KNOW HOW WE WOULD SPLIT IT UP.
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SO IF IT IS A FLOODPLAIN, WHICH WE CAN OBVIOUSLY SEE THAT THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING AND WE DO GIVE, IF WE ORIGINAL, HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION.AND IF WE DO, IF WE DO THIS BRIDGE OR, OR HE'S GONNA GO BACK AND SEE IF WE CAN, AND IT IS A FLOODPLAIN, THEN NOW WE'RE DIGGING INTO A FLOODPLAIN THAT COULD POTENTIALLY FLOOD YOU OUT.
SO AGAIN, IT'S AN ENGINEERING, IT'S, IT'S A FUNCTION OF ENGINEERING AND SO IT JUST, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF
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THERE'S A SIDEWALK ON THE EAST SIDE OF IT.THERE IS A SIDEWALK ON THE EAST SIDE THAT CONNECTS YOU.
YOU, YOU HAVE TO CROSS SHILOH.
I'M SAYING THEY NOT ATTACH ONE ON THE WEST SIDE.
IS IT WOULD THE OTHER YOU, YOU PRESENTATION, YOU, YOU GOT, YOU GOT ONE ALREADY ON THAT SIDE.
YEAH, I WAS GONNA TRY TO SHOW THE, YOU'D BE, YOU'D BE BUILDING THE SAME THING YOU ALREADY GOT ON THE EAST SIDE AND YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE TO CROSS ISLAND.
SO YOU, IT'S 10, 10 MILLION BUCKS TO MIRROR WHAT YOU ALREADY GOT ON THE EAST SIDE WITHOUT HAVING TO CROSS.
WHY? BECAUSE BECAUSE WHEN YOU COME DOWN, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO CROSS, YOU CROSS SILO.
RIGHT NOW AT COLLINS BACK UP, HE GET THAT POND THAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT.
UH, YEAH, I WAS GONNA TALK ABOUT THIS, BUT GO AHEAD.
THAT THAT'S THE PRIORITY OF THE MASTER PLAN THAT SHOWS THE TRAILS THAT ARE IN THE JOE WHILE SHE'S, WHILE SHE'S LOOKING AT THAT, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE OR A TRAFFIC BRIDGE FOR CARS? WE'VE GOT A STREET, RIGHT ROAD THERE IS WHERE CAR, THE SIDEWALK IS HERE.
SO YOU CROSS FROM COLUMNS, YOU GO HERE, YOU GO DOWN, YOU GO DOWN THIS ROAD AND THE TRAIL GOES OVER TO HERE.
AND, AND SO THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO MASTER PLAN THIS WHOLE THING.
SO WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M SHOWING, WHAT I'M TRYING TO SHOW YOU IS IF YOU PUT IT ON THIS OTHER SIDE, WE'RE STILL GONNA HAVE TO CROSS SHADOW OVER HERE TO GET TO THE SAME TRAILER.
WHY COULDN'T YOU STAWELL OR SOMETHING CONNECTING TO THE TRAILER.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS TO GET OUT OF THE FLOOD PLAIN.
OKAY? YOU GOTTA GET OUT OF THE FLOOD PLAIN.
THAT'S AT THE LEVEL OF SHADOW.
SO THIS POINT RIGHT HERE IS THE TERMINATION POINT WHERE THE, WHERE THE OTHER PATH IS THE CONCRETE.
THERE'S A TRAIL THAT RUNS RIGHT HERE WHERE WHAT I'M SAYING IS YOU CAN'T PUT THE BRIDGE AND FLOODWAY, RIGHT? SO YOU HAVE TO GET IT OUT THE FLOODWAY.
AND SO IN ORDER TO DO THAT, YOU'RE GONNA BE AT THE SAME LEVEL OF LEVEL YOU'RE GONNA GET ACROSS HERE OR YOU'RE GONNA CROSS HERE.
BUT YOU'RE SAYING YOU CAN'T PUT A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE OVER A FLOODWAY? NO, NOT NOT IN IT.
SO TO GET OUT OF IT, YOU GOTTA GO UP.
YOU RAISE THE TWO SIDES UP AND, AND SO, SO THE FLOODWAY, THAT'S YOUR BOUNDARIES THAT YOU GOTTA COME OUT OF.
IT'S 675 FEET TO GET OUTTA THE FLOODWAY.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE DISTANCE OF THE BRIDGE.
I'D LIKE TO CALL THE QUESTION PLEASE.
I'D LIKE TO CALL THE QUESTION.
WE'VE HAD QUITE A DEBATE OVER THIS AND WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION.
IT'S, IT'S NOW 10 MINUTES OF NINE.
AIN'T GONNA HURT THE, I JUST, I JUST DIDN'T THINK THAT WE WROTE, WROTE DOWN.
ONE IS THE BRAND ROAD PROJECT.
I, I'VE MENTIONED THIS TO NATHAN.
UH, THERE'S A PIECE OF PROPERTY AT BRAND AND UH, AND BUSH THAT I THINK WOULD BE GOOD TO BE LOOKED
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AT FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.NATHAN, WHERE KNOWS WHERE THAT PROPERTY IS.
UH, THAT WE HAVE A BEAUTIFUL SPRING CREEK PRESERVE AREA TOO THAT I WANT US ALL TO KEEP IN MIND AND THOSE THAT ARE LOOKING AT THINGS THAT, UH, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA.
SO I THINK THAT'S AN AMENITY WE NEED TO KEEP IN MIND TO, TO GO WITH WITH THOSE DEVELOPMENTS.
UH, THE THIRD THING IS THE SENIOR CITIZEN CENTER.
I WANT, I WANT US TO LOOK AT THAT.
UH, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY MAY BE SHORT SOME MONEY TO, TO COMPLETE THAT BUILDING FULLY AND I'D LIKE TO SEE IT TOTALLY COMPLETED.
AND SO, UH, IF WE CAN LOOK AT THAT, WHERE WE'RE AT ON THAT AND WE NEED TO PUT SOME MONEY IN OR PROPOSAL IN THIS FOR THAT, I PROPOSE THAT WE DO THAT AND I THINK IT'S MAYBE TWO OR $3 MILLION.
UH, NOT A LARGE, LARGE AMOUNT.
THE CITY'S DONE A GREAT JOB ON THAT.
THAT SENIOR CENTER HASN'T GONE TO BID YET, HAS IT? YEAH, IT HASN'T BEEN BID YET.
AND SO WE DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE SHORT MONEY YET OR NOT KNOW WE'RE SHORT MONEY.
THEY SAID THAT IT'S AN AD ALTERNATE.
THE PICKLEBALL COURT'S 200,000 AND THERE'S THREE OUT EXTERIOR SHADE STRUCTURES.
SO IN GRAND TOTAL, THE ADD ALTERNATES ARE ABOUT 500,000.
SO UNTIL BID DAY, WE DON'T DUNNO IF WE'RE SHORT OR NOT.
AND THE, THE LAND ON THE BRAND THERE IS THAT GSID PROPERTY? YEAH, GAR.
AND ANDY, WHAT'S OUR DEAL WITH GSI? WE DON'T HAVE ANY DEALS.
IT'S JUST THAT WE'D HAVE TO BUY IT OUTRIGHT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S VALUED AT.
UM, UH, BUT IF IT'S YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT THEY COULDN'T JUST COME TO US AND SAY, GARLAND, WOULD YOU LIKE TO BUY IT? DON'T THEY HAVE TO LIKE AUCTION IT OR SOMETHING? I THINK THEY HAVE SOME PROCESSES THAT ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN CITIES.
THEY, WE CAN EITHER DO LAND SWAPS, WHICH GOT LAND THAT THEY WANNA SWAP WITH.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR PLANS ARE.
IT IS A WONDERFUL PIECE OF PROPERTY, THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.
UM, I I'M NOT MISTAKEN, I THINK THEY HAVE AN AUCTION PROCESS IN ORDER TO SELL IT, BUT IT MAY BE DIFFERENT IF IT'S BETWEEN TWO GOVERNMENT ENEMIES.
I REALLY, BUT THEY'RE THE OWNERS OF ABOUT 20 ACRES MAYBE.
I BELIEVE IT'S ABOUT 20 ACRES.
AND ONE OF THE TRUSTEES SAID, UH, THEY THOUGHT IT WAS AROUND WORTH ABOUT 8 MILLION.
I THINK A GO A TOP GOLF, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
OR MAYBE ONE OF THESE, UH, ELITE HOTELS.
I MEAN IT'S, IT'S IN AN IDEAL PLACE AND I THINK THE, I THINK IF THE CITY OWNED THAT PROPERTY FOR A PROJECT, THEY COULD GET AN EXIT OFF OF THAT SERVICE ROAD.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE, I DON'T KNOW IF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, WELL THEY HAVE NO REASON TO GET THAT, BUT THE CITY'S FIXING TO SPEND SOME MAJOR MONEY IMPROVING THAT ROAD.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE A, A REALLY NICE ROAD IN FRONT OF THAT PROPERTY TOO.
UH, TIM, I DON'T HAVE A CLUE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME PLACE WE DON'T HAVE A PICTURE OF AND I DIDN'T GET IT FROM THE WORDS THAT YOU SAID.
YOU WOULD MOVE THAT WE TABLE THIS UNTIL NEXT TIME.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS TILL FOR ANOTHER DISCUSSION.
ANY OBJECTIONS TO TABLING FOR NOW? IF YOU COULD BRING BACK SOME MORE DETAILS.
I JUST BACK COME BACK, THAT'D BE GREAT.