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WELCOME TO THE OCTOBER 21ST, 2024 MEETING OF THE DEVELOPMENT[ NOTICE OF MEETING CITY OF GARLAND, TEXAS DEVELOPMENT SERVICES COMMITTEE Work Session Room of City Hall William E. Dollar Municipal Building 200 N. Fifth Street Garland, Texas OCTOBER 21, 2024 4:00 p.m.]
SERVICES COMMITTEE OF THE CITY OF GARLAND.MYSELF, I'M DYLAN HEADER CHAIRMAN.
WITH ME ON THE COMMITTEE I HAVE COUNCILMAN JEFF BASS AND DEPUTY MAYOR PRO, TIM MARGARET LUCK.
FIRST ITEM, HONOR AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM THE SEPTEMBER 16TH, 2024 MEETING.
SECOND ITEM, OUR AGENDA IS PUBLIC COMMENTS.
LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A FEW MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HERE.
GO AHEAD AND, UH, CALL OUR FIRST SPEAKER PLEASE, IF YOU WILL.
ALL RIGHT, MR. GARRIN, WELCOME BACK.
THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN AND COMMITTEE.
I, I I DON'T HAVE, UH, MUCH TO SAY, JUST MAINLY WANTED TO THANK YOU ALL AND MR. ENGLAND AGAIN FOR, UM, THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS DRAFT FOR THE, UH, DRONE USE.
THIS IS ITEM, UH, THREE A BY THE WAY.
UM, OH, BY THE WAY, WILL GARRIN TWO THREE.
TWO THREE ROSS AVENUE, DALLAS, IN CASE YOU NEED NAME AND ADDRESS.
BUT, UH, THANK YOU AGAIN AND APPRECIATE THE, THE DRAFT THAT, UM, MR. ENGLAND SENT BACK.
UM, WE THINK THIS IS, UH, GREAT.
IT SEEMS TO, UM, UH, HAVE SOME PROVISIONS THAT ALLOW, UM, THE, UH, CLIENT TEAM THAT WE'RE, WE'RE REPRESENTING TO COME FORWARD, UH, WITH, UM, SOME ITEMS TO CONSIDER THROUGH P AND Z AND COUNCIL.
SO, UH, THE DISTANCE, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, A PARTICULAR SITE OUR TEAM IS LOOKING AT IN GARLAND, THE 150 FEET WOULD SQUEEZE THE SITE, UM, A BIT AS FAR AS THE STAGING AREA.
HOWEVER, UM, LOOKING AT THE DRAFT, IT APPEARS THERE STILL IS A PROVISION TO, UM, PRESENT A SOUND STUDY AND POTENTIALLY HAVE THAT DISTANCE REDUCED.
SO WE'RE CERTAINLY GLAD TO SEE THAT.
AND THEN, UM, UH, IT SEEMS THERE'S A SIMILAR PROVISION FOR SCREENING.
UM, IT REFERENCES BACK THE GDC SECTION THAT DEALS WITH, UM, MASONRY SCREENING WALLS FOR OUTDOOR STORAGE AREAS, UH, WHICH WE CAN CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND AND UNDERSTAND THE INTENT BEHIND THAT.
UM, BUT IT APPEARS THERE'S A PROVISION TO, UM, PRESENT A POSSIBLE ALTERNATIVE THROUGH THE, UH, PLAN COMMISSION THROUGH A SITE PLAN.
SO WE'RE CERTAINLY HAPPY TO SEE THAT AS WELL.
AND WE, UH, LOOK FORWARD TO BRINGING SOMETHING TO YOU IN THE FUTURE.
SO THAT'S, UM, REALLY ABOUT IT FOR MY COMMENTS AND JUST, UH, THANK YOU AGAIN.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE SPEAKER? NO.
YEAH, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING A, A DRONE BASE SOON IN THE CITY.
I KNOW MY WORK AREA IS IN A, UM, DRONE DELIVERY AREA, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WE WANNA GET SOME OFFICE SUPPLIES DELIVERED SOMETIME BY DRONE.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? DEPUTY USED IT YESTERDAY.
INTRODUCE YOURSELF, NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE COMMITTEE.
MY NAME IS EMILY BOLAND AND I REPRESENT ZIPLINE AND THEY'RE ANOTHER COMMERCIAL DRONE DELIVERY OPERATOR THAT WILL BE ENTERING THE DFW MARKET BY THE END OF THE YEAR.
UM, AND SO I JUST, THIS HAS COME TO MY ATTENTION TODAY, SO MY COMMENTS ARE GONNA BE A LITTLE ALL OVER THE PLACE, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE YOU GUYS AWARE OF US IN ZIPLINE SO THAT WHATEVER REGULATIONS, UM, ARE ADOPTED OR TRULY OPERATOR AGNOSTIC AND DON'T JUST FIT ONE OF THE OPERATORS.
'CAUSE THERE ARE FOUR MAJOR OPERATORS.
YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT GOOGLE, AMAZON, ZIP LINE, DRONE, UP WING, THERE'S JUST A LOT OF THEM.
AND SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE THINK THROUGH THIS FROM AN INDUSTRY AGNOSTIC PERSPECTIVE.
SO WE DON'T JUST HAVE ONE SORT OF DRONE IN THE CITY OF GARLAND.
UM, SO LOOKING AT THAT DRAFT DRONE ORDINANCE, I JUST WANTED TO QUICKLY RUN THROUGH FOUR ITEMS THAT, UM, I WOULD URGE YOU GUYS TO CONSIDER AND MAYBE, UM, GO BACK TO THE DRAFTING TABLES ON THAT FIRST ONE IS THE WEIGHT LIMIT.
SO THE FAA DOES NOT USE WEIGHT IS A SAFETY MEASUREMENT.
UM, AND THAT 20, A LOT OF, UM, FIRST DRAFTS OF THESE ORDINANCES ARE USING THAT 2012, UM, FAA REGULATION.
AND THAT IS NOT WHAT COMMERCIAL DRONE DELIVERY OPERATORS ARE FLYING UNDER NOW.
AND SO WE HAVE A WHOLE SHEET THAT HAS THAT LAW FOR YOU GUYS THAT I CAN PROVIDE, UM, AFTER THIS MEETING SO YOU GUYS CAN LOOK INTO IT MORE.
'CAUSE I KNOW I ONLY HAVE THREE MINUTES.
SO WE WOULD PUSH FOR NO WEIGHT DESIGNATION AND IF THERE MUST BE ONE THAT IT'D BE 110 POUNDS AS TO NOT, UM, MAKE IT BE SO THAT ONLY ONE SORT OF OPERATOR CAN OPERATE IN YOUR CITY.
NUMBER TWO, THE NOISE ORDINANCE.
WE REALLY APPRECIATED SEEING THOSE, UM, RATHER COMPLICATED STANDARDS THAT REALLY TAKES INTO ACCOUNT INCENTIVIZING OPERATORS TO LESSEN THEIR NOISE PROFILES INSTEAD OF JUST PICKING SITES THAT ARE WITHIN THAT SETBACK.
AND SO OUR ONLY, UM, NOTE TO THAT WOULD BE THAT IF WE ARE WITHIN THAT DECIBEL METER READING THAT IS COMPLIANT WITH YOUR NOISE REGULATIONS FOR THIS TYPE OF USE, WE WOULD NOT WANT TO ALSO BE HAVING TO COMPLY WITH THAT SETBACK BECAUSE THEY'RE SORT OF MEASURING THE SAME THINGS.
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IN LOOKING AT THE ORDINANCE, THERE ARE SOME PROVISIONS IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATIONS THAT SPECIFICALLY TALK ABOUT THE ACCESSORY NATURE OF THIS USE.BUT IN THE DEFINITIONS, THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME MISSING LANGUAGE TO CLEARLY IDENTIFY WHEN IT'S GONNA BE PRIMARY AND WHEN IT'S GOING TO BE SECONDARY.
SO WE HAVE SOME DRAFT LANGUAGE THAT IS VERY MINOR, UM, AND CONCISE THAT WE THINK CLARIFIES THAT BECAUSE IN A A FIRST READ, IT WAS HARD IN THE DEFINITIONS TO FIGURE OUT, OKAY, WHEN WOULD THIS BE PRIMARY FOR US? WHEN WOULD IT ALWAYS BE CONSIDERED ACCESSORY? AND WHAT ARE, HOW DO THE RULES CHANGE WHEN THAT IS THE CASE? AND THEN LASTLY, UM, WE, UM, WOULD LIKE TO SAY IF WE'RE GOING TO COMPLY WITH ALL OF THOSE SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATIONS, WE WOULD ALSO NOT LIKE TO HAVE TO ALWAYS COME TO GET THAT SUP PERMIT.
AND THAT'S JUST BECAUSE WE PARTNER WITH A LOT OF SMALL MOM AND POP SHOPS, THAT IT'S A BURDEN ON THEM TO HAVE TO COME AND DO THAT AND IT A BURDEN IN SUCH A WAY THAT THEY'LL JUST CHOOSE NOT TO.
UM, AND A LOT OF THE OTHER CITIES THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH HAVE NOT ADOPTED A FULL SUP FOR EVERY TYPE OF DISTRICT MODEL FOR THEIR FIRST DRAFTS OF THEIR DRONE ORDINANCE.
AND SO WE WOULD JUST URGE YOU GUYS TO CONSIDER THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
AND WE'RE HERE FOR ANY DISCUSSIONS AND SORRY WE'RE A LITTLE BIT LATE TO THE TABLE TODAY, BUT WANTED TO BE HERE JUST TO GET THOSE THOUGHTS OUT.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE SPEAKER? YEP.
APPRECIATE YOU COMING OUT TODAY.
UM, REALLY, REALLY GREAT INSIGHT THERE.
COULD YOU TALK TO ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE LAST THING YOU MENTIONED WAS AVOIDING THE SUP PROCESS.
COULD YOU GO INTO A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ABOUT, UM, ABOUT YOUR REASONING? YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT MOM AND POP SHOP, SO JUST SPELL THE WHOLE THING OUT FOR ME FROM THE BEGINNING THERE.
SO IT'S JUST AN EXTRA LAYER THAT WILL MAKE IT SO DIFFICULT OR BURDENSOME FOR THOSE REALLY SMALL SHOPS.
AND EVEN SOME OF THE SMALLER SHOPS LIKE CRUMBLE THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY BOMB AND POP, BUT STILL A SMALL RETAIL, UM, SITE THAT WON'T NECESSARILY HAVE THE RESOURCES FOR THE CRUMBLES IN THAT LOCATION TO COME TO CITY HALL AND HIRE LAWYERS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEIR SUP CAN BE AS SUCCESSFUL AS IT CAN IN THE END.
AND SO YOU MAY JUST BE TO WHERE JUST YOUR WALMARTS AND JUST YOUR REALLY, YOU KNOW, BIGGER SITE PARTNERS ARE THE ONES THAT ARE ABLE TO COME AND GET THAT EACH TIME.
SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, UM, I MEAN, WALK ME THROUGH, OKAY.
LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, LET'S JUST SAY HYPOTHETICALLY CRUMBLE.
SO I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I HAVE NO PERSPECTIVE AT ALL ON THE DRONE PROCESS, RIGHT? IN MY HEAD IT WOULD WORK LIKE A DRONE WOULD COME FROM SOMEWHERE TO CRUMBLE AND PICK UP SOMETHING AND TAKE IT SOMEWHERE, RIGHT? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT A SMALL MOM AND POP SHOP HAVING THEIR OWN, UM, LANDING AREA RIGHT.
WHERE THEY OWN A WHERE OWN, YOU KNOW, HAVE A DRONE THERE ALL THE TIME OR SOMETHING? OR I MEAN, I, WALK ME THROUGH ALL THAT.
YEAH, SO FOR ZIPLINE IT'S A TOWER SITUATION.
AND SO THERE WOULD BE CERTAIN DRONES THAT ARE ALWAYS ON THAT SPECIFIC CRUMBLE TOWER.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE FLYING TO A THIRD SITE AND THEN JUST COMING BACK TO CRUMBLE EACH MORNING FOR OPERATIONS.
THEY'RE SPECIFIC TO THAT SITE AND WOULD ALWAYS OPERATE FROM THAT SITE AND START AND END THE DAY ON THE TOWER ON THAT SITE.
SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT ONE BUSINESS, OR THAT WOULD BE HOW OUR ACCESSORY USE OPERATIONS WORK GENERALLY.
THAT THERE'S A TOWER THAT THEY'RE COMING BACK TO EACH NIGHT, RIGHT.
BUT THAT TOWER WOULD SERVICE ONE BUSINESS OR THAT TOWER WOULD SERVICE AN AREA OF BUSINESSES OR, UM, THE WAY OPERATIONS ARE GOING, IT'S TYPICALLY LIKE ONE PRIMARY USE PARTNER PER LIKE LOT OR SITE.
AND SO IT'S REALLY JUST WORKING THAT IT AS ONE, ONE OPERATOR IS USING ZIP LINE PER SITE.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN IF YOU DON'T HAVE A STRIP MALL, IT COULD BE THE SITUATION WHERE YOU HAVE MULTIPLE USING IT IF IT'S ALL IN THE SAME BUILDING.
YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD ABOUT IT.
I GUESS I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THE, LIKE ZIPLINE WOULD OBTAIN THE SUP, IT WOULD BE ALL THEIR EQUIPMENT AND THEN YOU WOULD PARTNER WITH A SMALL BUSINESS OR WHOMEVER YOU CHOOSE TO MM-HMM.
SO THAT'S NOT HOW YOU'RE READING IT.
SO I MEAN, IT COULD, IT COULD WORK BOTH WAYS.
THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY DRAFTED, IT'S JUST A LOT OF THE TIME THE PROPERTY OWNER WILL CHOOSE TO, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN GIVE US THEIR CONSENT AND WE GO AND DO IT, BUT SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T WORK LIKE THAT.
AND THEY, THEY'RE THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THEY'RE THE ONES, YOU KNOW, FOR WHATEVER WITH, YOU KNOW, INTERNAL BUSINESS REASONS.
THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE GONNA BE, HAVE TO BE ABLE TO DO IT.
BUT YEAH, IT CAN WORK THE WAY YOU'RE DESCRIBING.
IT'S JUST NOT GUARANTEED TO ALWAYS WORK THAT WAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, THANK YOU SO MUCH GUYS.
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ALRIGHT, NEXT WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION.THE FIRST IS DISCUSS AND CONSIDER RECOMMENDING A PROPOSED DRAFT ORDINANCE RELATING TO THE LAND USE REGULATION OF COMMERCIAL DRONE DELIVERY HUBS, MR. ENGLAND AFTERNOON CHAIR AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
UM, WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU IS THE, UM, DRAFT THAT Y'ALL ASKED ME TO BRING BACK WITH THE CHANGES THAT Y'ALL DISCUSSED LAST TIME.
YOU'LL SEE THOSE CHANGES ARE HIGHLIGHTED, UM, FOR Y'ALL'S REFERENCE.
AND SO YOU CAN SEE I ADDRESSED SOME CONCERNS, NAMELY THE PROXIMITY TO NOISE SENSITIVE USES THE DISTANCE, UM, ESPECIALLY FOR THE, UM, LARGER COMMERCIAL DRONE DELIVERY HUB, IT'S 300 FEET.
SO I MOVED THAT, THAT BACK 50 FEET.
UM, I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T PRINT ONE OUT AND I DON'T, I THINK I HAVE ONE.
OH, I GAVE IT TO THE WRONG PERSON.
UM, AND THEN THE, UM, ALSO I ADDRESSED THE SOUND STUDY.
THE CHAIR MENTIONED THAT, UM, UM, HE WANTED SOMETHING THERE DESCRIBING THAT THE SOUND STUDY SHOULD INCLUDE AN ELEMENT WHEN DRONES ARE LAUNCHING TO.
UM, AND SO, UH, MADE SURE TO MAKE THAT CLEAR IN THE, ON THE BOTTOM OF PAGE THREE, YOU'LL SEE THAT HIGHLIGHTED PORTION THAT SAY THAT MAKES IT CLEAR THAT THE SOUND STUDY SHOULD, UM, BE BASED ON DRONES WHEN THEY ARE LAUNCHING.
AND THEN OF COURSE, Y'ALL ALSO DISCUSSED AT THE LAST MEETING ON THE NEXT PAGE AT, AT THE, UM, END OF SUBSECTION THREE A TIME, AND WE LEFT IT WITH 9:00 PM AND IF THAT'S STILL GOOD WITH THE ALL 9:00 PM IS, UM, WHAT I PLACED IN THERE.
AND THEN I ADDED THE PARKING AND LOADING PROVISIONS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT PLANO IS DOING AS WELL.
UM, OF COURSE I REFERENCED OUR OWN SECTION OF THE GDC AND NOT PLANOS, BUT, UM, I DID ADD THE PARKING AND LOADING AT THE REQUEST.
I THINK, UM, UM, COUNCILWOMAN LUCK ASKED FOR THOSE TO BE INCLUDED IN THIS FINAL DRAFT.
I WILL ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT, UM, THE SPEAKER, UM, HAD EARLIER.
UM, I'LL, I'LL FIRST TALK ABOUT PRIMARY AND SECONDARY USES AND WHETHER OR NOT WE NEED TO DEFINE THOSE CLEARLY, I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND DEFINING THOSE CLEARLY BECAUSE SOMETIMES THOSE LINES ARE BLURRED AND I'VE YET TO SEE A DEFINITION, UM, UM, THAT CLEARLY MAKES IT FOR ALL INSTANCES.
AND SO THE ONES SHE WAS DESCRIBING, WHERE THEY COME IN FROM A TOWER AND SERVE ONE BUSINESS, THAT'S GONNA BE CLEARLY A SECONDARY USE.
AND SO YOU DON'T NEED A DEFINITION TO DESCRIBE THAT.
THAT'S SOMETHING THE, THAT THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING SHOULD HAVE THE, UM, FLEXIBILITY TO INTERPRET IN A REASONABLE MANNER.
AND SO I WOULD RECOMMEND NOT DEFINING, SPECIFICALLY NOT DEFINING WHAT A PRIMARY AND SECONDARY PURPOSE WAS.
UM, THE SECOND ISSUE THAT I WANT TO EXPRESSLY TALK ABOUT IS THIS.
THE DEFINITIONS, THE DEFINITIONS AREN'T BASED ON FEDERAL LAW.
UM, THE DEFINITIONS ARE BASED ON, AS Y'ALL POINTED OUT LAST TIME Y'ALL SPOKE ABOUT THIS ISSUE, THE DEFINITIONS WERE, WERE BASED ON REALLY A CONCERN OF SIZE, KNOWING THAT THE LARGER THE DRONE, THE LOUDER THE DRONE'S GOING TO BE, AND 50, UH, 55 POUNDS, IT'S PRETTY CONSISTENT.
UM, ESPECIALLY IN THE METROPLEX WITH CITIES THAT HAVE PASSED ORDINANCES, 55 POUNDS IS PRETTY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE DOING.
UM, IT IS NOT TIED TO FEDERAL LAW.
IT'S, UH, IT MAY HAVE BEEN INITIALLY TIED FOR SOMEBODY THAT HAD PASSED AN ORDINANCE, BUT THAT'S CERTAINLY NOT THE REASON WHY IT'S IN OUR ORDINANCE.
IT'S REALLY JUST SOMETHING 110 POUNDS IS A PRETTY BIG DRONE AND IT'S GOING TO BE MUCH LOUDER THAN A SMALL.
AND IF THEY DO HAVE 110, THEN THEY'RE A COMMERCIAL DRONE DELIVERY HUB, LARGE.
AND SO THERE'S A DEFINITION DEFINITION IN THERE THAT ADDRESSES THE LARGER ONES, UM, IN WHICH THEY COULD QUALIFY.
AND AS FAR AS THE SUP GOES, FINALLY I WOULD, IT'S UP TO Y'ALL.
UM, IF Y'ALL WANT TO DO THIS BY SUP, OF COURSE WITH AN SUP, Y'ALL HAVE THE ABILITY AND Y'ALL RETAIN FLEXIBILITY ON DETERMINING SITE BY SITE WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS A GOOD PLACE FOR A DRONE HUB.
UM, AGAIN, THAT'S NOT FOR SECONDARY USES.
AND SO THE EXAMPLE SHE GAVE WAS DESCRIBING A SECONDARY USE.
IT WOULDN'T REQUIRE AN SUP BECAUSE IT'S A SECONDARY USE.
THE SECONDARY USES HAVEN'T HAVE, WON'T BE, HAVEN'T CHANGED ANY SINCE WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING OR SECONDARY USES, LIKE WITH WALMART FOR EXAMPLE, WE TREAT THEM AS A SECONDARY USE.
IT'S NOT THE PRIMARY USE OF THE WALMART PARKING LOT.
AND THAT'S THE REASON THEY'RE, UM, UM, THEY'RE ABLE TO OPERATE UNDER CURRENT ZONING BECAUSE IT'S A SECONDARY USE.
ANY QUESTIONS, ANY CHANGE? FURTHER CHANGES Y'ALL WOULD LIKE ME TO MAKE? UM, SHE MENTIONED THE NOISE ORDINANCE AND NOT HAVING TO COMPLY WITH A SETBACK.
IF THEY WERE FOLLOWING THE NOISE ORDINANCE, AGAIN, I THINK I SAID LAST TIME, IT'S BELTS AND SUSPENDERS.
UH, MY RECOMMENDATION IS LEAVE THE, THE SETBACKS IN THERE, THE FE THE, THE, UM, MINIMUM, UM, FEET FROM THE, UM, PROXIMITY OF RESIDENTIAL HOUSES, UM, DWELLINGS, THE PROPERTY LINES THERE.
IT'S REALLY Y'ALL'S FLEXIBILITY ON THAT.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT PURELY JUST A NOISE ISSUE EITHER.
I MEAN, PEOPLE LOOK OUT THEIR WINDOWS AND SEE THINGS.
SOME OF THEM GET MAD AT WHAT THEY SEE OUTSIDE
I'M SURE ALL OF US HAVE GOTTEN CALLED.
WELL, I REPRESENT YOU ALL OF COURSE.
AND SO I'M GONNA ALWAYS DRAFT THESE ORDINANCES THAT ARE GONNA GIVE YOU ALL THE MOST
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FLEXIBILITY AND GIVE STAFF THE MOST FLEXIBILITY TO ENFORCE THE POLICY THAT COUNCIL SETS.I AM HAPPY WITH THE WAY THINGS ARE.
WELL, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS ENTIRE IN INDUSTRY IS SUCH IN SUCH AN INFANCY.
I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF JUST, UH, SPECULATION ABOUT THE FUTURE DIRECTION IT GOES AND SUCH.
SO I, I THINK THAT, UM, I THINK THAT THE, THE NOW IS THE TIME FOR US TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE CONTROL OVER IT, UM, TO KEEP IT FROM GETTING OUTTA HAND.
UM, I, UM, WHAT WEIGHT DID, WHAT WEIGHT DID WE COME TO ON HERE? WE CAME TO 55 ON HERE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE SMALL, UM, UM, COMMERCIAL DRONE DELIVERY HUB, SMALL.
AND IT TALKS ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE UNMANNED AIRCRAFT SYSTEMS. OKAY.
I AM, I MEAN, HONESTLY, 'CAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, TWO YEARS, FIVE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD OR WHATEVER, WHEN THIS INDUSTRY'S A LITTLE MORE ESTABLISHED, THEN WE CAN ALWAYS GO BACK AND REVISIT THIS.
BUT I THINK, I THINK NOW I LIKE THE WAY THIS IS, UH, WAY WE CAME UP WITH WELL, YEAH, AS LONG AS WE HAVE, I MEAN, GIVEN THE SPEAKER'S COMMENTS BEING PROVIDER AGNOSTIC AND NOT LIMITING INNOVATION, I'M HAPPY WITH THAT.
AND I THINK THIS DOES GIVE A WAY TO DO BOTH AT THE SAME TIME.
UH, IF THEY WANTED TO COME, THEY COULD ALWAYS COME WITH A PD IF THEY WANTED TO WRITE THEIR OWN ZONING DEFINITION.
I THINK THIS GIVES A GOOD BASIC GUIDELINE FOR THAT.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WANT MORE, WE CAN CERTAINLY GO THROUGH THE PD PROCESS AND, AND ADDRESS ANY CONCERNS THAT WAY FOR A NEW SITE.
AND THE ONLY COMMENT I WOULD HAVE WOULD BE JUST THE NINE O'CLOCK TIMELINE.
UH, YOU KNOW, IF I WANT A PIZZA AT 9 0 1, I'M, I GUESS I'M OUTTA LUCK WITH THIS.
WELL, AND I WAS THINKING ABOUT THAT TOO.
UM, SO WHEN IT SAYS NINE, I MEAN, DOES THAT MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE DRONES HAVE TO BE ON THE GROUND AT NINE, THAT MEANS THAT SOMEBODY COULDN'T DO ANYTHING AFTER, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, EIGHT 40.
UM, SO I MEAN, THAT, THAT I WOULD, I WOULD BE OPEN TO, IT SAYS OPERATIONS MAY NOT CONTINUE AFTER 9:00 PM SO I ASSUME THAT WOULD BE THE RETURN FLIGHT AS WELL.
I, I WOULD BE OPEN TO EXTENDING THAT AND MAYBE EVEN EXTENDING IT LONGER ON, YOU KNOW, FRIDAY AND SATURDAY.
KEEP IN MIND ALSO, UM, THAT'S A GOOD CONVERSATION.
BUT KEEP IN MIND ALSO THAT PROVISION ONLY APPLIES IN THE EVENT THAT THE MINIMUM DISTANCE OH, DISTANCES ARE LOWERED.
I WAS THINKING I DIDN'T ASK ABOUT THAT EARLIER.
SO IT WOULDN'T APPLY IF THEY MEET THE MINIMUM DISTANCES.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO MOVE ON? TAKE THIS TO COUNSEL? YEP.
EMOTIONALLY PRESENT THIS TO COUNSEL AS WRITTEN.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS NEXT ITEM, WE'LL LOOK AT ITEM B, REVIEWING THE SIGN ORDINANCE SCOPING DISCUSSION.
I BELIEVE THIS WAS, I THINK IT WAS WAS ME AND THEN ANYBODY YOURSELF SECOND, OR I SECONDED SOMEONE
I BELIEVE THE FIRST REQUEST WAS COUNCIL MEMBER BASS ON THE SIGN ORDINANCE.
I THOUGHT NOT, NOT THAT IT MATTERS, BUT I'M GONNA TAKE NOTES IN OUR NEW PROCESS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE CLEAR DIRECTION FOR STAFF TO RESEARCH AND RETURN WHAT YOU'RE EXPECTING.
SO ON THE SIGNED ORDINANCE, YEAH, I WANNA SAY THIS HAS PROBABLY BROUGHT THIS UP.
WE JUST HAVE, UM, ACTUALLY, YEAH, I WAS HOPING THAT, UM, STAFF WOULD PRESENT CURRENT SIGN ORDINANCES AND THAT WE COULD TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OF THE, UM, SOME OF THE RECENT ONES WE HAD SPECIFICALLY DOWNTOWN.
IT SEEMS LIKE EVERY TIME A NEW SIGN GOES UP AND DOWNTOWN, IT'S HAVING TO COME THROUGH US, YOU KNOW, AND I JUST DON'T LIKE THAT.
I DON'T THINK EVERY TIME SOMETHING HAPPENS IN THE CITY THAT WE NEED TO WEIGH IN ON IT.
SO THE CONCERN WOULD BE THEN IS THE, TO INVESTIGATE THE REASON FOR THE NUMBER OF VARIANCES REQUESTED.
AND THEN HAVE A DISCUSSION RELATED TO WHY THAT MAY BE AND IF IT'S PREVENTABLE OR IF IT'S JUST UNIQUE TO THE DOWNTOWN ZONING.
WELL, I THINK THAT RIGHT NOW IT'S, SINCE THERE'S SO MUCH DEVELOPMENT GOING ON DOWNTOWN, IT'S, IT'S SPECIFIC TO DOWNTOWN, BUT AS OTHER AREAS, YOU KNOW, ARE REGENERATED, THEN
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IT'S GONNA HAPPEN THERE TOO.SO I THINK THAT WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT OUR RESTRICTIONS AND SEE WHAT WE CAN'T DO TO OPEN THAT UP.
SO FOR, FOR SCOPING PURPOSES, I'M SORRY FOR SCOPING PURPOSES, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE SITE? 'CAUSE THE LAST FOUR OR FIVE, UM, UH, MAJOR WAIVERS THAT Y'ALL DONE OR BEEN BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE SIGN? IS THAT SPECIFICALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT? 'CAUSE I DON'T RECALL ANY BASED ON ANY OTHER PROVISIONS OTHER THAN THE SIZE.
WERE THEY ALL BASED ON SIZE? THAT'S MY RECOLLECTION AS WELL.
THAT TENDS TO BE THE MOST, FOR EXAMPLE, IF IT'S 200 SQUARE FEET AND THEY'RE ASKING FOR TWO 10, WE COULD LOOK AT THAT AND, AND DETERMINE, YOU KNOW, WE MAY BE CHASING NUMBERS IF WE MAKE IT TWO 50 AND THEN SOMEBODY REQUESTS TWO 60.
BUT WE COULD CERTAINLY, OR WE COULD LOOK AT LIMITATIONS FROM A PERCENTAGE PERCENTAGE AS WELL.
AS OPPOSED TO, UH, AN EXACT NUMBER.
BECAUSE D THE BUILDINGS ARE DIFFERENT SIZES.
SO IT COULD BE A, YOU KNOW, BASED ON, BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING, A PERCENTAGE OF THAT.
UM, IT'S JUST LIKE, SOME OF THEM WERE JUST ACTUALLY, WELL, I'M TRYING TO THINK HERE.
THEY WERE JUST MOVING A SIGN, I THINK IT WAS OFF OF A, OFF OF AN AWNING ONTO A BUILDING.
AND THEN PRETTY MUCH THE SAME THING FOR ROACH, RIGHT? ROACH FEEDING SEED.
I MEAN THOSE, YOU KNOW, LITTLE THINGS LIKE THAT HERE.
THE, THE PROBLEM WHEN THINGS LIKE THAT ARE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL IS TWOFOLD.
ONE, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE REVIEWING THAT WE REALLY DON'T NEED TO BE REVIEWING.
AND TWO, THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IS, IS IT'S A HINDRANCE FOR PROPERTY OWNERS DOING BUSINESS IN GARLAND.
IT WASTES THEIR TIME, IT WASTES THEIR, IT WASTES THEIR MONEY.
IT WASTES A LOT OF EFFORT ON FOR, FOR THEM TOO.
SO IF WE CAN PREVENT THAT AND WE CAN MAKE IT EASIER FOR BUSINESSES TO FUNCTION AND OPERATE IN THE CITY, THEN I THINK WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT.
ANYTHING ELSE FROM ANYONE? GOT IT.
I SECONDED BECAUSE I HAD A A, A RUN IN WITH A SIGN
UM, SO I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, MAYBE PROHIBIT CERTAIN TYPES OF MATERIALS IF POSSIBLE, LIKE SPRAY PAINT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN OR NOT, BUT IF WE COULD GO OVER THAT.
UM, JUST BECAUSE, UM, I'D ALSO LIKE TO JUST GO INTO WHAT THE SPECS ARE.
WHAT, WHAT THEY HAVE TO ADHERE TO, UM, WHEN THEY'RE REDOING A SIGN.
IF, IF THEIR, IF THEIR SIGN WAS PART OF A PD, DON'T THEY HAVE TO GO BACK TO THAT ORIGINAL, UM, THE ORIGINAL SPECS FOR THAT SIGN? THAT KIND OF STUFF.
UM, I KNOW WE CAN'T REGULATE WORDS ON A SIGN OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, WHICH IS FINE.
I YOU'RE, I WAS GONNA SAY YOU'RE WIGGLING
THE, THE SPRAY PAINT'S PROBLEMATIC.
I MEAN, WHAT WE CAN DO IS REGULATE IF IT NEEDS TO BE ENGINEERED FOR PUBLIC SAFETY PURPOSES, BUT ANYTIME YOU'RE GETTING INTO REGULATION BECAUSE OF HOW IT LOOKS MM-HMM.
NOW WE DO THROW SOME STUFF IN OUR SIGNED ORDINANCE AND IT'S CURRENTLY THERE ABOUT SIGNS THAT HAVE FADED THAT AREN'T LEGIBLE, THAT UM, BECAUSE THEY'RE FADED AND OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT, WHICH IN A WAY ARE A SAFETY CONCERN BECAUSE YOU'RE GETTING THE ATTENTION OF DRIVERS.
AND IF THEY CAN'T SEE THE SIGN BECAUSE IT'S FADED, UM, THEN THEY HAVE TO FOCUS MORE CLEARLY ON THE SIGN AND LESS CLEARLY ON THE ROAD.
AND SO THAT BECOMES A PUBLIC, WE CAN TIE IT TO PUBLIC SAFETY, BUT BECAUSE THEY USE, UM, SPRAY PAINT AND NOT A PROFESSIONAL, UM, WRAP OR SOME OTHER KIND OF, UM, UH, MATERIAL TO BUILD THEIR SIGN OUT OF, THAT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL CAN, CAN SPEAK INTO.
UM, WELL, AND AT THAT SIGN ALSO WAS QUITE ILLEGIBLE.
YOU COULDN'T READ THE WORDS AT ALL.
SO, UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT ELIGIBILITY IS, IS ONE OF THOSE REASONS THAT WE CAN SAY, HEY, THIS ISN'T QUITE RIGHT.
BUT WE CAN, BUT I WILL BE GLAD TO UPDATE EVERYBODY ON THAT.
SO WHAT, WHAT I THINK'S BENEFICIAL ABOUT THIS NEW PROCESS TOO IS THEN WHAT WE'LL DO IS NOT ONLY JUST FROM WHAT DOES THE CODE SAY, WE CAN HEAR WHAT THE CONCERNS ARE, THEN WE WILL PROBABLY START WITH BRIAN'S TEAM AND DOING A LEGAL ANALYSIS THAT KIND OF SETS THE GUARDRAILS FOR WHAT WE SHOULD EVEN BE SPENDING OUR TIME ON.
AND I THINK THAT WILL BE WORTH BEARING FRUIT.
AND I, I WANNA SAY THE ONE, AND IT MAY BE SPECIFIC YOU MENTIONED IT, I WANNA SAY THE ONE AT FIRE WHEEL MIGHT HAVE BEEN PD SPECIFIC BECAUSE I THINK THAT PARTICULAR CASE WAS, UM, DICTATED TO HAVE A SMALL SQUARE FOOTAGE BECAUSE OF THE PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THAT IT WAS GEARED TOWARDS.
UM, SO THERE MAY BE SOME GENERAL GDC GUIDELINES AND THERE MAY BE SOME THAT ARE PD SPECIFIC, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY.
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THANK YOU.I'D LIKE TO JUMP DOWN THEN TO ITEM F RIGHT NOW IF WE COULD, BECAUSE IT'S ALSO A SIGNAGE, ONE HISTORICAL SIGNAGE AS AN ELIGIBLE EXPENSE IN FACADE PROGRAM.
SO, UM, I BROUGHT THIS FORWARD BECAUSE OF, UM, WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE ORCHARD HILL SIGN
UM, THIS IS SPECIFICALLY GEARED TOWARDS THE RIDGEWOOD SHOPPING CENTER SIGN AND THE BEEF HOUSE SIGN.
THOSE ARE, UM, THOSE ARE LANDMARKS IN DISTRICT FIVE AND REALLY OVER THE WHOLE CITY.
UH, THE BEEF HOUSE SIGN APPEARS ON THE GARLAND FOODIE SHIRTS AND UM, IT'S EVERYWHERE.
UM, SO I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS IF WE MAKE IT A HISTORICAL SIGN OR IF IF COUNSEL, YOU KNOW, APPROVES THEM AS HISTORICAL SIGNS AND, UM, HOW THAT AFFECTS THEIR, THEIR LIVELIHOOD IN THE CITY.
SO E AND F ARE SOMEWHAT RELATED IN THAT REGARD, RIGHT? SO FUNDING WISE, PROBABLY BRIAN, LIKELY A POLICY DISCUSSION, THE HISTORICAL TERMINOLOGY MIGHT BE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF DISCUSSION THAN HOW DO WE LOOK AT THAT.
BUT, SO I'M HEARING HISTORICAL DETERMINATION OR WHAT IS THE CRITERIA FOR DETERMINING THAT? AND THEN SECONDARILY, WOULD, WOULD THE FACADE FUNDING BE AVAILABLE TO ASSIST WITH BRINGING IT BACK TO WHATEVER STATUS WE DETERMINE WE HAVE DEFINED.
BRIAN, DOES THAT SOUND OKAY? SOUNDS GREAT.
I APOLOGIZE I JUMPED OVER E AS WELL.
IS THERE ANYTHING ADDITIONAL TO ADD TO E ON THAT DISCUSSION OR F FOR THAT MATTER? SO THE E WAS JUST THOSE TWO SIGNS IN PARTICULAR.
UM, I AM CURIOUS ABOUT HOW OUR HISTORICAL SIGN, UM, ORDINANCE PLAYS OUT ONCE A SIGN IS MADE HISTORICAL.
UM, SO THAT THAT REALLY COVERS ALL OF THEM.
'CAUSE THERE ARE OTHERS THAT PEOPLE HAVE MENTIONED ONCE I SAID THIS, I'M SURE I'VE, I OPENED A CAN OF FORMS
YOU DON'T HAVE A RIGHT AS A PROPERTY OWNER TO REMOVE 'EM.
THAT'S NOT WHAT THE HISTORICAL DESIGNATION DOES.
THAT'S VERY PROBLEMATIC IN ORDER TO DO THAT.
'CAUSE THAT'S WOULD PROBABLY CONSIDERED TAKING MM-HMM.
AND WHEN ONE BUSINESS LEAVES AND ANOTHER ONE COMES IN LIKE WALMART DID AT THE GARLAND SHOPPING CENTER AT UH, MILLER AND UM, UM, GARLAND, UM, THAT SIGN, THEY WANTED TO KEEP THAT SIGN IN PLACE OR THE CITY DID.
'CAUSE IT WAS HISTORICAL, BUT IT WAS IN VIOLATION OF THE ZONE.
UH, TO KEEP IT IN PLACE WOULD BE IN VIOLATION OF THE GDC.
AND SO THAT'S THE REASON WE CREATED THIS DESIGNATION OF HISTORICAL SIGNS SO THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO GO IN AND TEAR 'EM DOWN.
WELL, AND THAT'S WHY THE BUDGET QUESTION, UM, OR THE FUNDING QUESTION WAS ADDED TO THIS.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, ONCE THEY'RE HISTORICAL, CAN WE HELP THAT BUSINESS RESTORE THE SIGN TO ITS ORIGINAL GLORY OR, OR WHATEVER AND MAYBE EVEN WRITE INTO A CONTRACT THAT THEY CAN'T CHANGE IT AFTER THAT
SO YOU ASKED THE QUESTION OR TOUCHED ON WHAT I, SO I WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THAT OUR, OUR LOCAL CODE HAS DEFINED THIS HISTORICAL SIGN AND IT IS NOT INTENDED TO MIRROR SOMETHING LIKE THC, THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION OR ANY OF THOSE OTHER TYPES OF DESIGNATION IS STRICTLY A LOCAL PURPOSE TO GIVE US THIS EXCEPTION.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON SIGNS? NOPE.
ALRIGHT THEN, UH, LET'S JUMP BACK UP TO THEN ITEM C REVIEW LAUNDRY MAT SCOPING DISCUSSION.
SO, UM, THAT WAS YOU OR ME, BUT
IT CAME ABOUT FROM, UH, I THINK THERE WAS AN NSUP THAT CAME THROUGH AND LAUNDROMATS WAS ONE OF THE, UM, USES THAT THEY WERE TRYING TO GET THROUGH.
AND UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE LAUNDROMATS IN COMMUNITY RETAIL AS AN SEP.
UM, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE THE NEXT ITEM ON THERE AS WELL.
THIS KIND OF TIED IN WITH THAT.
UM, THERE ARE JUST CERTAIN BUSINESSES THAT RESIDENTS COMPLAIN ABOUT AND UM, AND IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE CONTROL OVER WHAT BUSINESSES GO INTO THOSE SPECIFIC ZONING USES.
I WOULD ALSO JUST STRAIGHT UP, I'D LIKE LAUNDROMATS
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TO REQUIRE AN SUP IN COMMUNITY RETAIL.IT GIVES US MORE CONTROL OVER THE AESTHETICS OF A NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO YOU SAID SUP ONLY IN COMMUNITY RETAIL OR OTHERS? WELL, WHERE ELSE, WHERE ELSE IS IT ALLOWED BY? I DON'T THINK IT'S ALLOWED BY RIDE ANYWHERE.
I DON'T THINK IT IS ANYWHERE ELSE.
UH, WE'LL, WE'LL GET YOU A REPORT ON IT.
ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT ITEM THEN? NOPE.
WE'LL MOVE DOWN TO ITEM D REVIEW, OTTER OVERLAY SCOPING DISCUSSION.
WAS THIS YOU? IS THAT WASN'T ME, WASN'T YOU? IT WAS ME.
SO, UM, THIS ACTUALLY, UM, COMES, WE HAVE A, WE HAD A WATER GARDEN AT A WATER GARDEN CENTER AT KINGSLEY AND GARLAND ROAD.
AND IT'S BEEN A WATER GARDEN FOREVER.
AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF TURNING IT INTO A USED CAR LOT.
UM, THERE, THERE ARE A LOT OF USED CAR LOTS OVER THERE.
AND, UM, AS WE GO INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROCESS AND ARE KIND OF REVIEWING HOW WE WANNA PROCEED WITH USES LIKE THAT FOR THE NEXT TWO DECADES, UM, I'D LIKE TO GIVE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, CONSULTANTS AND STAFF LIKE OUR RECOMMENDATION FOR AUTO USES SPECIFICALLY.
I WOULD LIKE FOR THAT TO BE A, A BIG PART OF THE CONVERSATION IN ZONING.
AND, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S BASICALLY MY INTENT WITH THIS ITEM.
SO IF I COULD, THE, THE, THE CURRENT, UH, SCOPE OF WORK FOR THE CONSULTANT DOES EXACTLY THAT.
IT DOES PROVIDE SPECIFIC DIRECTION TO THEM TO STUDY THAT AND TO PROVIDE US A BASIS OF THAT LAND USE AND HOW IT RELATES TO US.
AND THEN PROVIDE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS AFTER THAT ON HOW WE COULD DEAL WITH IT.
LET, LET ME SPEAK INTO THAT ALSO BECAUSE THIS IS A MATTER LEGALLY SPEAKING BECAUSE THIS WILL, UM, UM, ESPECIALLY THE AUTO OVERLAYS WHEN WE'RE DOWN ZONING, WHICH WE WILL BE DOING MM-HMM,
THE STUDIES ARE GONNA BE HELPFUL TO THE COUNCIL IN THE SENSE THAT THEY'RE GONNA INFORM THE COUNCIL AS TO WHAT IS THE BEST USE.
IT MAY COME BACK TO SURPRISE US IN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT AREAS, UM, WHERE THE, WHERE THE, THE, THE, UM, CONSULTANT COMES IN AND SAYS, YOU KNOW, THIS ACTUALLY, THIS ONE LOT OVER HERE IS ACTUALLY A REALLY GOOD USE FOR AN AUTO AUTOMOBILE USE.
IT MAY SURPRISE Y'ALL, BUT IT MAY NOT SURPRISE Y'ALL.
IT MAY COME BACK AND SAY, THIS AREA HERE, THERE SHOULDN'T BE AUTOMOBILE USES HERE.
'CAUSE WE FOUND THIS TO BE THE BETTER USES IN THESE AREAS HERE BASED ON WHAT'S CURRENTLY ON THE GROUND AND BASED ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS IT'S BEING STUDIED.
AND NOT ONLY IS IT IMPORTANT IN THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS THAT THAT INFORMATION PROVIDED TO COUNCIL IS IMPORTANT IN THE LITIGATION PROCESS AS WELL.
AND SO AS WE MOVE FORWARD IN DOWN, AND IF WE ARE TO DOWN, IF WE WERE TO DOWNSIZE ANY OF THESE OR DOWNONE ANY OF THESE, UM, PROPERTIES, WE WOULD NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COUNCIL MADE THE DECISION BASED ON INFORMATION, BASED ON DATA AND BASED ON INFORMATION PROVIDED BY THE STUDY.
AND THAT'S THE REASON I I I DO RECOMMEND THAT, UM, WE HOLD OFF UNTIL THAT PORTION OF THE STUDY IS COMPLETE AND SO THAT WAY Y'ALL CAN HAVE AN INFORMED CONVERSATION AND ANY DECISIONS MADE ANY DIRECTION GIVEN WE BASED ON DATA AND ACTUAL RATIONAL BASIS.
IN THE DOWNTOWN OVERLAY DISTRICT? THAT IS CORRECT.
THE CREDITS, THE DOWNTOWN OVERLAY CREDITS, I BELIEVE IT'S SIX MONTHS.
IF IT'S NOT 12, IT'S, I BELIEVE YOU'RE RIGHT.
BUT THERE IS A TIMEFRAME WE TREAT THOSE A LOT IN THE OVERLAY DISTRICT THAT THOSE CREDITS GO AWAY AFTER A CERTAIN TIME PERIOD.
AND SO THE IDEA IS WE WOULD NEED TO GO IN AND PROVE THAT IT HAS NOT BEEN OPERATING AS AN AUTOMOBILE USE FOR THE LAST, WHATEVER THE TIME PERIOD.
I THINK IT'S SIX MONTHS IS CORRECT, MAYBE 12.
UM, THE DIFFICULTY IN THAT SOMETIMES IT'S PROVING THAT THEY HAVEN'T BEEN OPERATING AS A RIGHT.
UM, THAT REQUIRES US TO MAKE SURE THAT SOMEBODY'S DRIVING ON AT LEAST A WEEKLY BASIS, IF NOT BY, AND MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S NO ACTIVITY AT THE LOCATION.
AND ALSO WE CAN ALSO CHECK, UM, UM, UM, UTILITY RECORDS.
SO IN THE CASE WHERE THE UTILITY HAS BEEN SHUT OFF, THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD CASE THAT THEY HAVEN'T BEEN OPERATING AS A AUTOMOTIVE AUTOMOBILE USE IN THE LAST 12 MONTHS IF THE UTILITIES HAVE BEEN SHUT OFF FOR 12 MONTHS.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE THAT CAPABILITY JUST IN THE AUTOMOBILE, THE OVERLAY DISTRICT THOUGH, RIGHT?
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WELL, IF I WERE A AUTO OWNER OF PROPERTY AND I WAS LEASING THE SPACE OUT, I'D PROBABLY JUST PUT IT IN MY NAME.AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN BRING THIS BACK AND HAVE A REALLY GOOD DISCUSSION.
SO NOW I HAVE A REALLY GOOD LIST AND WE WILL START WORKING ON THOSE AND KEEP YOU UP TO DATE ON WHEN WE'RE READY TO BRING THIS BACK.
AND WE, NOW WE, IT MAY NOT BE ALL OF THEM TOGETHER BECAUSE IT'S GONNA TAKE SOME TIME, SO WE WILL FIGURE THAT OUT SCHEDULE-WISE, BUT DEPENDING ON THE DETAIL AND THE DISCUSSION FOR EACH.
FOUNDED CHAPTER THREE 80, PROGRAM FOR RESIDENTIAL IMPROVEMENTS, SCOPING DISCUSSION.
COUNCILMAN OTT HAS BEEN WAITING PATIENTLY OVER THERE, SIR.
UM, THIS IS ONE THAT I'VE BEEN THINKING OF IS, UH, TRYING TO COME UP WITH AN IDEA OF HOW WE CAN INCENTIVIZE THE REPLACEMENT OF OLDER HOMES.
UH, UH, SPECIFICALLY 800 SQUARE FOOT HOUSES BUILT IN THE WORLD WAR II ERA.
UH, IF YOU LOOK TO THE WEST OF THE SPECIFIC AREA THAT I WAS THINKING OF IS TO THE WEST OF, UM, WHERE GENERAL DYNAMICS IS.
YOU HAVE ALL, THERE'S JUST A WHOLE LITANY OF THE HOMES OVER THERE.
I TOOK ONE AS AN EXAMPLE, 8 36 MIMOSA.
IT'S A 8,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT AND AN 800 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE ON IT.
AND IT'S APPRAISED AT $183,000.
AND THAT LO OF AN APPRAISAL DOES NOT DO TOO MUCH FOR THE CITY.
AND YOU HAVE, WE HAVE A LOT OF, I THINK THAT IT WOULD DO A LOT FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN THERE TO START SEEING NEW HOMES IN THERE AND COME UP WITH A PROGRAM THAT YOU HAVE TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT'S AT LEAST 2000 SQUARE FEET.
AND THAT WOULD BRING IT UP ABOVE THE THRESHOLD OF WHERE THEY'RE GETTING BEYOND WHAT IT COSTS US FOR US TO HAVE SERVICES TO THESE HOMES THAT ARE IN THERE.
AND ALSO START TO BREATHE NEW LIFE INTO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND SO WHAT I WAS THINKING OF DOING, UH, EXPLORING WAS, UH, I WAS TALKING TO, UH, TO BRIAN ABOUT, UH, COULD WE PUT A BOUNDARY AROUND ALL OF THOSE HOMES AND CREATE AN AGREEMENT THAT WOULD BE WHERE WE WOULD, IF YOU DEMOLISH THE HOUSE, REBUILT IT AND WHAT YOU BRING BACK, UH, WE WOULD GIVE YOU A REBATE ON YOUR FUTURE TAXES, CITY TAXES ONLY, OF COURSE.
UM, AND IT WOULD BE FOR WHATEVER THE PERIOD OF TIME THAT WE WOULD WANT IT TO BE.
RICHARDSON HAS AN AGREEMENT WHERE IF YOU DO AT LEAST $20,000 WORTH OF IMPROVEMENTS TO A PROPERTY, YOU CAN, AND IT INCREASES YOUR, UH, PROPERTY TAX VALUE, IT HAS TO BE, UH, AN INCREASE IN THE VALUE.
THEY WILL GIVE YOU, UM, 10 TIMES THE AMOUNT OF THE PROPERTY TAX INCREMENT.
UH, AND THEY DON'T GIVE IT TO YOU.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A CASH AMOUNT THAT THEY GIVE YOU.
I BELIEVE IT'S, UH, IT'S, UH, CREDITING YOUR TAXES FOR THE FUTURE.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO EXPLORE LOOKING AT SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND THE REASON IT'S BOUNDED IS I WAS EXPLAINING TO, UM, COUNCILMAN OTT IS BECAUSE BEING A THREE 80 AGREEMENT, THAT MEANS WE HAVE TO TIE THAT TO SOME TYPE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
AND UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT UM, UM, WE WERE REALLY CAREFUL ABOUT WHEN WE WERE DOING THE FACADE IMPROVEMENT AND DOING EVEN THE, UM, UM, HOME IMPROVEMENT, SMALLER HOME PROJECT IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE CURRENTLY DO IS, IS WE WERE CAREFUL BECAUSE WE HAD TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS NEEDS TO IMPROVE THE VALUE OF THE HOME.
SO THE CITY RECEIVES SOME OF THAT BENEFIT AND, UM, THAT'S A FINE LINE TO WALK.
AND SO IF YOU'RE GONNA DO THIS, THE, THE BEST WAY TO DO SOMETHING, THE SIZE THAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT TO WHERE YOU'RE ACTUALLY DOING SOME TAX ABATEMENT STUFF OR, UM, A DEFERRAL, UM, INCENTIVES, THEN WE NEED TO DO IT IN AREAS THAT ARE BOUNDED SO WE CAN ACTUALLY SEE SOME, UM, THE, THE RAISING OF NEIGHBORHOODS, THE VALUES IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS THEMSELVES.
AND AT THAT POINT YOU CAN PROBABLY EASE MORE EASILY DEFEND DOING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS OF THIS TYPE.
NO, BUT I WILL SAY THE, UH, CITY OF FARMERS BRANCH DID THIS PROBABLY 20 YEARS AGO WHEN I LIVED THERE.
I MEAN, AND IT WAS BENEFICIAL TO EVERYBODY.
I MEAN, THE PROPERTY IMMEDIATELY, THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY WENT UP BECAUSE IT HAD, YOU KNOW, IT HAD AN, AN EXTERNAL VALUE TO IT.
SO A LOT OF PEOPLE SOLD THOSE OLD, OLD HOMES, MADE A TON OF MONEY OFF OF THEM.
NEW PEOPLE CAME IN, BUILT, YOU KNOW, REALLY BIG HOUSES.
UM, I THINK THEIRS, WHEN FARMER BRANCH DID IT, I THINK THEIRS WAS A DIRECT CASH,
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UM, CASH INCENTIVE.I THINK IT WAS, IT COULD HAVE BEEN A TAX ABATEMENT, BUT, UM, I MEAN EITHER WAY, TAX ABATEMENT, CASH, THOSE ARE ALL JUST NUMBERS, RIGHT? GO THROUGH THE NUMBERS AND FIGURE OUT WHAT WORKS BEST.
BUT I'M, I'M DEFINITELY DEFINITELY IN SUPPORT OF A PROGRAM LIKE THAT AND I THINK THE AREA THAT YOU'VE IDENTIFIED IS A, IS A GREAT PLACE FOR IT.
UM, WHEN WE WERE AT THE SMALL STRONG TOWNS, UM, THING AT TYLER STATION, HE HAD MENTIONED A, UH, THERE WAS SOME KIND OF AGREEMENT THAT THE CITY HAD WITH HOMEOWNERS AND THEY HELPED FINANCE THE ACTUAL RENOVATIONS.
UM, I DON'T QUITE REMEMBER THE, THE DETAILS OF IT, BUT IT WAS A CITY BASIC A BASICALLY A CITY BACKED LOAN THAT, UM, THE, I KNOW
UM, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST NOT A DEVELOPER, BUT A DEVELOPER.
BUY, BUY A HOME THAT'S IN SERIOUS DISREPAIR AND, AND, UH, THEY USE THAT AS JUST A LITTLE BIT OF AN EXTRA INCENTIVE TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THE NUMBERS WORK, RIGHT.
WELL, THEY ALSO HAVE GROUPS OF CONTRACTORS THAT WORK WITH PEOPLE IN THAT RESPECT AS WELL.
UM, THEY, THEY TRY TO MAKE IT AS EASY AS POSSIBLE, SO IT WOULD BE WORTH IT TO LOOK AT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY TALKED ABOUT IN THAT PRESENTATION.
JUST, YOU KNOW, ALL THE IDEAS ARE GOOD UNTIL THEY'RE BAD
SO WE WILL BE HAPPY TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AGAIN.
UM, SOME OF YOU MAY RECALL, BECKY'S TEAM STUDIED THIS NOT THAT LONG AGO AND PRESENTED TO THE COMMITTEE ON IT, UM, AS A, AS AN INITIATIVE.
NOW WHAT, WHAT WAS A LITTLE DIFFERENT? THE, WHAT WE MADE SOME ASSUMPTIONS.
UM, AND IT WAS GENERALLY FOCUSED MORE ON SAY LIKE, UM, PECAN GROVE AND, UH, ORCHARD HILLS AREA FOR, BUT WE DID NOT LOOK AT IT IN, IN LIGHT OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND THOSE NUMBERS, SO WE COULD RUN THOSE AGAIN AND SEE IF THE DYNAMIC CHANGES.
BUT WHAT WE KIND OF FOUND WAS A, WITH THE CAP THERE WAS, THERE WAS THE PROGRAM THAT FARMERS BRANCH AND, AND RICHARDSON HAVE DONE, WE LOOKED AT AND TRIED TO KIND OF RE DUPLICATE WHAT THEY HAD DONE.
THOSE PROGRAMS HAD BEEN IN PLACE, AS YOU SAID, QUITE SOME TIME.
AND SO THE ENVIRONMENT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
WE ALSO, UH, DID SOME FOCUS GROUPS AND TALKED WITH SOME DEVELOPERS THAT WERE, YOU KNOW, FLIPPERS, RENOVATORS, THOSE KIND OF FOLKS, AND TRIED TO LOOK AT WHAT NUMBERS, WHAT THRESHOLDS AND PERCENTAGES, UM, WERE, UH, THAT WOULD INCENTIVIZE THEM.
AND IN MANY CASES WE COULDN'T GET THERE WITH THAT PROGRAM.
BUT I THINK MAYBE THE NUMBERS COULD BE DIFFERENT WITH DIFFERENT VALUES, DIFFERENT LOT SIZES, DIFFERENT POTENTIAL.
WE FULLY AGREE THAT THIS WOULD BE A GREAT PROGRAM.
UM, I KNOW IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD YOU'RE SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT ONE PERSON HAS ALREADY DONE IT.
I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT STREET IT'S ON, BUT WHEN YOU, YOU CAN'T MISS IT ONCE YOU, AND, AND IT, IT LOOKS GREAT.
UM, AND IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE AS MANY OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE MOMENTUM WOULD BE GREAT.
SO BECKY'S TEAM, SHE'S HERE TONIGHT TO HEAR THE DISCUSSION SO WE CAN REEVALUATE IT AND LOOK AT IT AGAIN AND BRING SOMETHING BACK WITH THAT PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD AND BOUNDARY IN MIND AND, AND RECHECK OUR NUMBERS.
EXCITED TO HEAR THAT CHAPTER THREE D'S NOT DEAD.
I BROUGHT THAT UP LIKE I SAID A COUPLE MONTHS AGO AND
UM, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON ANY OF THE OTHER ITEMS? I THINK WE'VE COVERED 'EM ALL BY THIS POINT.
WELL THEN AT 4 44 WE ARE ADJOURNED.