Nov 04, 2024 Work Session

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WELL, GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE MONDAY, NOVEMBER 4TH, 2024 WORK SESSION FOR THE GARLAND CITY COUNCIL. WE ARE MEETING A LITTLE EARLIER THAN NORMAL IN THE EVENING. WE ARE DOUBLING UP OUR MEETINGS TONIGHT. WE WILL HAVE OUR REGULAR SESSION AFTER THIS. WE WILL RECONVENE AT SEVEN. SINCE TOMORROW NIGHT IS OR TOMORROW IS ELECTION DAY. SO WE WILL GO EVENING. THE FIRST ITEM IS PUBLIC COMMENTS ON WORK SESSION ITEMS. I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE

[ CONSIDER THE CONSENT AGENDA Council may ask for discussion or further information on any item posted in the consent agenda of the next Regular Meeting. Council may also ask that an item on the consent agenda be pulled and considered for a vote separate from the consent agenda at the next Regular Meeting. All discussions or deliberations are limited to posted agenda items and may not include new or unposted subject matter.]

[1. Amendment to Authorized ARPA Reimbursable Positions Staff is presenting Council with a written update regarding the eligible positions being reimbursed by Federal Coronavirus Relief and Recovery Funds (ARPA) according to Federal guidance. An Ordinance will be prepared to update the eligible positions being reimbursed by ARPA. Unless directed otherwise, this item will be scheduled for formal consideration at the November 19, 2024 Regular Meeting. ]

[2. Introduction of New Directors Council will be introduced to Al Raymond, Managing Director of Development and Nabila Nur, Director of Planning and Development.]

AND YOU KNOW, I LOOKED AROUND AND THIS JOB CAME UP AND I HAD A COUPLE OF INTERVIEWS WITH ANDY, A GREAT OPPORTUNITY, GREAT CHALLENGES. AND ONE OF THE ONE OF THE SURPRISING THINGS HERE IS THAT IT'S ALL MOSTLY IN THIS CITY. IT'S ALL ABOUT REDEVELOPMENT. HOW DO YOU DO THAT? HOW DO YOU DO IT EFFECTIVELY? HOW DO YOU DO IT WHERE IT BENEFITS THE, THE THOSE GENTLEMEN THAT ARE OR THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE BUILDING IT, AND THEN THE CITIZENS THAT ULTIMATELY WILL ENJOY IT. SO I THINK THAT'S A CHALLENGE FOR ME. AND I, I LIKE THAT SORT OF THING. SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL ADD TO HELPING MOVE GARLAND FORWARD. VERY GOOD, VERY GOOD. YES, SIR.

IF YOU CAN PULL THAT TOWARDS YOU A LITTLE BIT. SO I'M NABILAH, ORIGINALLY FROM BANGLADESH. CAME HERE TO GET MY MASTER'S DEGREE IN URBAN PLANNING. GOT THAT FROM UT ARLINGTON AND THEN STARTED WORKING IN THE PLANNING INDUSTRY. MY BEGINNING OF THE CAREER WAS IN THE PRIVATE SIDE, SO I WORKED ON THE PRIVATE SIDE WORKING ON COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, SMALL AREA PLANS, SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE REWRITE, ZONING ORDINANCE, REWRITE, ALL OF THAT STUFF. SO LEARNED A LOT FOR SEVERAL YEARS, BUT I FELT THAT IN THAT SIDE I WASN'T BEING ABLE TO STAY CONNECTED WITH THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE AT ONE TIME I'LL HAVE FIVE DIFFERENT PROJECTS IN FIVE DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES. SO THAT CONNECTION WAS MISSING. SO I STARTED I STARTED TO FEEL LIKE, OH, I WANT TO COME TO THE PUBLIC SIDE AND SEE HOW HOW THAT SUITS ME. AND I FOUND OUT THAT IT DOES VERY MUCH. I LOVE THIS SIDE. SO I WORK FOR THE CITY OF ARLINGTON, CITY OF DALLAS, TOWN OF ARGYLE, AND IN VARIOUS ROLES AND REALLY, REALLY ENJOY THAT. FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. SO HERE I'M GOING TO BE SERVING AS THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT, WORKING ON ZONING, PLANNING, ANYTHING LONG RANGE PLANNING RELATED. SO HOPE TO REALLY MAKE, MAKE, MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE IN

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THANK YOU. VERY GOOD. SO, AL, YOU'VE BEEN HERE. I HEAR IT'S WHAT, ONE WEEK AND ONE DAY.

THAT'S CORRECT. AND NABILA, I THINK YOU'VE BEEN HERE A COUPLE OF WEEKS. THIS IS WEEK FOUR.

THIS IS WEEK FOUR. WELL VERY GOOD. WELL WELCOME TO BOTH OF YOU. WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU. THANK YOU. GREAT SIR. NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE 2025 BOND STUDY COMMITTEE REPORT. ANDY.

[3. 2025 Bond Study Committee Report City Council will receive an update from staff and the Bond Study Committee Chair regarding discussions and progress of the 2025 Bond Study Committee.]

AND WE SAID, OKAY, WHAT ARE THOSE? AND SO STAFF CAME BACK TO US AND SAID, HERE'S WHERE WE THINK THAT IF $50 MILLION IS ALL WE'VE GOT, THAT ALL WE'VE GOT. I LOVE SPENDING TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. BUT IF THAT'S ALL WE'VE GOT, HERE'S WHAT WE THINK. WE CAN DO AND GET THE MOST OUT OF IT. AND SO THEY CAME BACK WITH THAT. AND SO I THAT THAT MEETING WAS NOT ON HALLOWEEN. IT WAS THE WEEK BEFORE. AND SO I AT THE END OF THE MEETING SAID, OKAY, FOLKS, YOU GOT HOMEWORK NOW BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING, ARE WE GOING TO LOOK AT LET'S LOOK AT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. ARE WE GOING TO TAKE THESE RECOMMENDATIONS OR IS THERE SOMETHING YOU WOULD SUB OUT INSTEAD OF ONE OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS. AND TWEAK THEIR PLAN A LITTLE BIT. SO WE'LL SEE WHAT WHAT THE COMMITTEE COMES BACK WITH NEXT WEEK THIS THIS COMING THURSDAY. BUT I THOUGHT THAT WAS REALLY HELPFUL HOW THEY CAME BACK TO US AND SAID, HERE'S THE REAL BANG FOR THE BUCKS OF ALL OF THE GOOD STUFF THAT WE COULD DO. HERE'S THE MOST THE FASTEST. SO I THINK THAT WAS REALLY HELPFUL. YEAH, I'LL D TO THAT. THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL FOR US. I MEAN, I THINK WE'VE WE HAVE STAFF HAVE THROWN A LOT OF INFORMATION AT THE COMMITTEE. IT'S KIND OF DIFFICULT TO EXPLAIN TO A COMMITTEE HOW CITY RUNS IN JUST A FEW HOURS OF MEETINGS. AND THEY'VE CAUGHT ON AND ASKED A LOT OF GREAT QUESTIONS, AS I'VE MENTIONED BEFORE. AND SO THEY PROVIDED US SOME PRIORITIZATION THINGS TO THINK ABOUT. STAFF HAS BROUGHT THOSE BACK. WE'RE GOING TO SHOW THEM AGAIN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO REFLECT THOSE PRIORITIES. AND YOU'RE RIGHT.

IT'S VERY HARD TO FIND WHWHERE THAT LINE SHOULD BE DRAWN AT. THAT $150 MILLION TARGET. BUT MATT AND LATISHA HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB PULLING THAT TOGETHER. SO I'M HOPING THIS THIS WEEK WE'LL MAKE ANOTHER LEAP FORWARD AND BE READY TO MAKE PRESENTATION TO COUNCIL ON SCHEDULE. DECEMBER 2ND. VERY GOOD. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE UPDATE THIS EVENING? AND SO YOU MEET YOU HAVE A MEETING THIS COMING THURSDAY NIGHT. WE'RE SCHEDULED NOW. WE MAY HAVE ONE.

WE DO HAVE ONE THAT'S IN CONFLICT ON THE 21ST WITH THE BOARDS AND COMMISSION. SO WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS THAT ON THE AGENDA. THIS THURSDAY TO POTENTIALLY MOVE IT BACK WEDNESDAY. BY ALL INDICATIONS, IF WE'RE GETTING TO THE BOTTOM OF EVERYBODY'S QUESTIONS AND CAN REFLECT THE COMMITTEE'S PRIORITIES, WE MAY BE DONE A WEEK EARLY. KNOCK ON WOOD. SO WE'LL SEE HOW THAT GOES THIS WEEK AND NEXT WEEK OKAY. WELL YEAH. PLAN FOR NOVEMBER 20TH AND THEN CANCEL IF WE GET IT DONE BEFORE THAT. SO OKAY. COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS THANK YOU. MAYOR. ONE QUESTION. SO FOR YOUR EXPERIENCE, ANY SURPRISES? ANY SURPRISES? I ME PERSONALLY NO, BECAUSE I KIND OF BECAUSE IT WAS FOCUSED ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. I WASN'T SURE WHAT THAT WAS GOING TO BE. AND SO IT DIDN'T REALLY SURPRISE ME BECAUSE I KIND OF DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT WAS UNTIL NOW. AND SO AND I THINK THE MOST OF THE COMMITTEE WOULD FEEL THAT WAY AS WELL, IS THAT THERE'S BEEN SOME PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN ON BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS IN THIS CITY FOR DECADES, BUT FOR THE MOST OF US WHO ARE RELATIVELY NEW TO THE PROCESS, WE WEREN'T SURE WHAT IT WAS, AND IT WAS MORE OF AN EDUCATION FOR THE THINGS THAT WE LEARNED, YOU KNOW, FROM STAFF AS TO HOW TO, YOU KNOW, HOW WE'RE GOING TO PUT THIS TOGETHER AND HOW IT WAS DIFFERENT FROM THE FROM THE COMMITTEE THAT WE DID SIX YEARS AGO WAS QUITE DIFFERENT FROM THAT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR THIS. THANK YOU MAYOR. VERY GOOD. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? I SEE NONE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR CONTINUING ON. MOVING ON TO ITEM FOUR GARLAND FORWARD 2050

[4. Garland Forward 2050 Comprehensive Plan - Discussion and Feedback from City Councilmembers On Tuesday, October 15, 2024 a community presentation was made by the consultant Verdunity that outlined the ideas of fiscal health and community wealth within the comprehensive plan process. A video recording of the meeting and the presentation was made available to the public. The consultant and staff would like to obtain feedback from the City Councilmembers regarding the concepts and ideas discussed at the meeting to solidify a path to move forward.]

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ANY QUESTIONS. VERY GOOD, COUNCILMEMBER HEDRICK. THANK YOU. MAYOR. I JUST HAVE A QUESTION. WELL, I'LL MAKE A STATEMENT FIRST AND THEN MAYBE THERE'LL BE A QUESTION THERE.

HOPEFULLY. BUT THE POLICY PART OF THIS, I'M NOT TOO WORRIED ABOUT, BECAUSE I THINK YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO OUR ZONING CODE PERHAPS, OR SOMETHING YOU TALKED ABOUT THIS MISSING MIDDLE OF HOUSING THAT WE MAY NOT NECESSARILY HAVE IN IT. WHAT I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT IS THAT SECOND PART OF YOUR SUBTITLE UP THERE IS THE INVESTMENTS TO BUILD. YOU JUST HEARD A PRESENTATION FROM OUR BOND STUDY COMMITTEE THAT THEY HAVE A LIST OF RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE DUE ON DECEMBER TO COME BACK TO US WITH POSSIBLE INVESTMENTS THAT WE WILL TAKE TO THE VOTERS FOR APPROVAL. I JUST WORRIED THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS MIGHT NOT ALIGN WITH WHATEVER YOU FIND THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR DATA, THAT YOU'RE COMPLETING THE STUDY NOW, THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION. AND IT'S A IT'S A DISCUSSION THAT WE NEED TO HAVE. I KNOW WE BROUGHT IT UP A LITTLE BIT I DON'T KNOW. WE CAN'T YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO ASK TO KIND OF TABLE THE WHOLE BD PROCESS. AND I THINK THE FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD AND FOLLOWED, SO FAR, I MEAN, YOU GUYS HAVE A LAUNDRY LIST OF POTENTIAL POTENTIAL PROJECTS. I THINK, YOU KNOW, THIS PART HERE OF INVESTMENTS TO BUILD VIBRANT COMMUNITIES. THERE'S A, YOU KNO, I WOULD SAY THERE'S INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS THAT YOU HAVE THAT THAT YOUR STAFF, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE WELL AWARE OF KIND OF WHERE THE AGING INFRASTRUCTURE IS THAT NEEDS TO BE ATTENDED TO. THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S PARKS AND RECREATION KIND OF INVESTMENTS THAT THAT WOULD FALL IN THERE.

AND THEN THERE'S WHAT CAN YOU DO FROM AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT TO EITHER PURCHASE PROPERTY OR CATALYZE, YOU KNOW, CLEAN UP PROPERTIES OR CATALYZE DEVELOPMENT OR REDEVELOPMENT? I, I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE LIST THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW. IS IT MOSTLY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT'S BEING TALKED ABOUT? OKAY. SO I WAS GOING TO ADD, IF I COULD, THAT ESSENTIALLY AT LEAST AND I THINK IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. AT FIRST GLANCE, I THINK THERE I QUITE A BIT OF AN ALIGNMENT BECAUSE I THINK THE THREAD IS THE PREVIOUSLY LAID GROUNDWORK FROM THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN, WHICH THEY DO HAVE A COPY OF. AND SO A GREAT DEAL OF THOSE COME FROM EITHER ALREADY EXISTING PLANNING DOCUMENTS. THE CATALYST AREAS, THE PREVIOUS MASTER PLAN EFFORTS. SO THERE'S ALREADY SOME GROUNDWORK KIND OF LAID. SO I THINK BY RAISING THAT TO THE TOP, WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THAT, THAT THAT ALIGNMENT IS, IS WELL, WELL CRAFTED AND COORDINATED. YEAH. AS AS WE'REETTING KIND OF INTO THE ANALYSIS, WE'RE GETTING A FEEL FOR, YOU KNOW, WHERE SOME OF THE BIGGEST OPPORTUNITY AREAS ARE. SO MAYBE THE WAY THAT WE COULD ADDRESS THAT NOW IS JUST IF THERE'S SOME THERE'S SOME HIGH LEVEL CRITERIA THAT, THAT MY TEAM CAN COME UP WITH MAYBE TO, TO FEED TO THE COMMITTEE TO KIND OF TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. YOU KNOW, I GUESS WHAT I WOULD ADD TO LOOKING AT THAT EARLIER WHEN YOU THAT LIST EARLIER, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT RETURN ON INVESTMENT, ANOTHER LAYER TO THINK ABOUT THAT IS WHAT WHAT IS THAT PROJECT GOING TO DO TO SET UP THAT ADJACENT LAND, TO GET THE KIND OF DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU WANT? AND IF THERE'S ALREADY AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOCUS, YOU'RE ALREADY KIND OF THINKING ALONG THOSE LINES WHERE THE EXAMPLE THAT'S KIND OF COME IN TOP OF MIND HERE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ROADWAY RECONSTRUCTION OR ROADWAY REPLACEMENT, YOU MIGHT HAVE YOU COULD PUT BACK WHAT'S THERE WHEN YOU PUT BACK WHAT'S THERE, YOU'RE KIND OF RE REESTABLISHING MORE OF AN AUTO CENTRIC KIND OF DEVELOPMENT PATTERN VERSUS IF YOU REVISIT OR RETHINK HOW THAT DESIGN IS ACTUALLY DONE, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO REDO THE STREET. SO IT'S MORE, MORE CONDUCIVE TO MORE WALKABLE, MIXED USE KIND OF STUFF. SO BUT WE CAN THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, A FEW KEY QUESTIONS AND GET THOSE ON THE PLATE OF THE BOND COMMITTEE TO THINK ABOUT. BUT AS ANDY SAID, WE HAVE SEEN THE PREVIOUS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT

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AND THAT'S A VERY DIFFERENT COST FOR A TWO LANE STREET. SO THAT'S ONE THING, IS JUST HOW WE WANT TO QUANTIFY THE METRIC IN TERMS. AND THEN THE OTHER PART IS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE OVERLAYS, THINGS LIKE THAT, OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT ULTIMATE RECONSTRUCTION COSTS. OUR STARTING POINT IS ULTIMATE RECONSTRUCTION COSTS BECAUSE CITIES HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THAT AS FAR AS OUR PATH FORWARD. NOW THAT WE HAVE THE UPDATED DATA, I WOULD LIKE TO GET BACK BEFORE WE FINALIZE OUR NUMBERS, GET BACK WITH THE STREET DEPARTMENT AND SEE KIND OF WE GOT TO KIND OF SYNC UP OUR NUMBERS AS MUCH AS WE CAN. WE'RE USUALLY A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT STAFF SAY, BECAUSE WE ARE LEANING TOWARDS THAT. WHAT'S THAT KIND OF WORST CASE SCENARIO, WHAT YOUR NUMBER IS GOING TO BE. BUT DIALING THAT IN A LITTLE BIT SO THAT ALL OF YOUR DEPARTMENTS ARE COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING IS, IS REALLY THE NEXT STEP. ACTUALLY, THE FIRST STEP IS ACTUALLY GETTING A COPY OF THE PDF OF THE REPORT. YOU GOT THE RAW DATA. WE HAVE THE DATA, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE REPORT. YEAH, OKAY. GREAT. YEAH, I THINK ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS I CAME FROM THAT MEETING WAS THAT WE'RE PROBABLY IN A KIND OF SCARY SITUATION, AND I THINK A LOT OF CITIES FEEL THAT WAY. SO I'M REALLY GLAD WE'RE WORKING ON THIS. AND I'M I'M GLAD THAT THE DIRECTION THAT YOU'RE GOING WITH IT IS AN AFFORDABILITY. AND REALLY THE WHOLE LOOFAH TERM. IT'S NOT A SHOWER ACCESSORY. YEAH. I MEAN, AS, AS I SAID, KIND OF IN THAT PRESENTATION, I THINK, YOU KNOW, I'M A CIVIL ENGINEER BY DEGREE. I MY EYES WERE OPEN WHEN I WAS WORKING AROUND THE COUNTRY AND SAW PLACES THAT THAT ARE, WELL PAST WHERE GARLAND IS IN YOUR GROWTH MODE. AND THEY I MEAN, DESPERATE IS A WORD THAT I WOULD USE COMFORTABLY FOR WHERE THEY'RE AT OF. AND IT'S VERY EASY TO THINK, OH, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET TO THAT POINT. BUT IF YOU DON'T THINK A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY, I THINK YOU COULD.

AND SO THE OPPORTUNITY HERE WITH GARLAND AND REALLY ANYWHERE IN IN TEXAS IS WHEN YOU STILL HAVE DEVELOPMENT INTEREST AND YOU STILL HAVE GROWTH, HOW CAN WE GUIDE THAT IN A WAY THAT THAT IS KIND OF CONSCIOUS OF THE REAL COSTS OF SERVING DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, STREETS, PARKS, UTILITIES ARE A DIFFERENT SUBJECT ON THE UTILITY RATE. BUT YEAH, JUST JUST ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY HERE TO BE OPEN TO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY SAYING THE SKY IS FALLING. AND THESE NUMBERS HAVE TO BE THAT HUGE BUT CHALLENGING A LITTLE BIT OF, WELL, WE'RE JUST GOING TO KIND OF CONTINUE TO DO PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE AND KIND OF KEEP KEEP THINGS GOING WITH THE BUDGET THAT WE HAVE. YOU'RE GOING TO NEED MORE THAN MORE THAN YOU HAVE. THE QUESTION IS

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THAT'S WHEN WE CAN HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHAT ARE WE? WHAT'S THE VISION FOR THIS CORRIDOR? SHOULD IT HAVE WIDER SIDEWALKS AND STREET SCAPING? KIND OF LIKE WE DID AROUND THE SQUARE. WE DIDN'T JUST GO AND LAY ASPHALT AND SAY, THAT'S GOOD. THAT'S PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT. BUT WHAT? LET'S CHANGE THE DESIGN OF THE STREETSCAPE AND ADD AMENITIES AND THAT SORT OF THOSE SORT OF IMPROVEMENTS THERE. SO I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT AS WELL. YEA.

WELL AND THAT'S A GREAT POINT. SOMETHING THAT WILL COME OUT OF THIS PROCESS AND ALWAYS DOES IS IF, IF WE SAY KIND OF WORST CASE, IF YOU START AND SAY WHAT DOES IT COST? WHAT WHAT IS BALLPARK COST TO JUST HAVE TO RECONSTRUCT EVERY STREET IN GARLAND. THAT'S WORST CASE SCENARIO. AND WHEN IS THAT? AND THEN YOU CAN SAY, OKAY, HOW CAN WE USE OUR PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE PROGRAM WITH PUBLIC WORKS AND EXTEND THE LIFE OF SOME OF THOSE STREETS AND KIND OF MANAGE THOSE COSTS OUT? AND SOME IF YOU DO IT WELL, SOME YOU MAY NOT EVER HAVE TO REPLACE, YOU KNOW, , BUT THAT'S WHERE I, WHERE I SAW CITIES GETTING IN TROUBLE WAS JUST NOT EVER THINKING ABOUT WHAT IF WE DO HAVE TO RECONSTRUCT STUFF IF YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO DO QUALITY PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE TO EXTEND THE LIFE AND MAINTAIN EVERYTHING. SO THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO KIND OF DIG INTO THAT STUDY MORE AND HAVE MORE CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF AND SEE WHERE WHERE YOU FEEL THINGS ARE AT. AND THEN THE YOU KNOW, THE VARIABLE. LIKE I SAID IN THAT PRESENTATION, YOU KNOW, THE VARIABLE THAT HASN'T BEEN TALKED ABOUT, WE CAN TALK ABOUT TAX RATE, WE CAN TALK ABOUT FEES. THE VARIABLE THAT HASN'T BEEN TALKED ABOUT ENOUGH IS THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN ITSELF. HOW JUST BY CHANGINGHE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN A LITTLE BIT MORE DENSITY, YOU CAN GET MORE VALUE PER ACRE. AND THAT CAN HELP YOU CLOSE THAT GAP TO. VERY GOOD.

ANY EXCUSE ME. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE WE'RE GOING TO SPEND SOME TIME TOGETHER THIS WEEK. WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LITTLE FIELD TRIP ON THURSDAY AND WE'LL GET TO SEE SOME EXAMPS. AND I'M SURE YOU KNOW, JUST FROM EXPERIENCE, SEEING THOSE WILL PROBABLY CREATE MORE DISCUSSION AND QUESTIONS. AND WHEN YOU TALKING ABOUT IT AND SEEING IT IN, IN, IN REAL LIFE, I THINK THE DISCUSSIONS ON THURSDAY WILL PROBABLY BE A LOT MORE ENGAGED.

YEP. I HEAR YOU ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO ITEM FIVE, STREET IMPROVEMENT

[5. Street Improvement Funding City Council will receive a briefing on street improvement funding as a follow-up to the information presented at the October 21, 2024 Work Session.]

STREETS ASSESSMENT WHERE WE FOCUSED ON STREETS. LAST WORK SESSION ON OCTOBER 18TH, WE DELVED INTO THE DETAILS OF NOT ONLY STREETS, BUT ALLEYS, AND THEN ALSO LOOKED THROUGH A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT FUNDING SCENARIOS, DIRECTION WAS RECEIVED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PLAN, WHICH INCLUDED 207 MILLION OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. IN STREET FUNDING. THAT'S A BIG NUMBER AND THAT INCLUDES ESSENTIALLY WHY WE'RE HERE IS I WANT TO GIVE A BREAKDOWN OF WHERE THAT MONEY COMES FROM, HOW MUCH OF IT IS EXISTING DOLLARS THAT WE ALREADY HAD COMMITT TO STREETS, HOW MUCH IS NEW? AND THEN HOW THAT 207 MILLION FITS IN WITH OUR OTHER OTHER LONG TERM DEBT COMMITMENTS AT THIS POINT AND SO RECEIVED SOME QUESTIONS AFTER THE LAST WORK SESSION. I JUST WANT CIRCLE BACK AND GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILS ON THAT. AND THEN I THINK ANOTHER QUESTION FOR COUNCIL TONIGHT TO WEIGH IN ON IS WE HAVE A BOND STUDY COMMITTEE THAT'S THAT'S UNDERWAY RIGHT NOW. AND THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY POTENTIALLY TO REFER THIS 207 MILLION OR SOME PORTION OF IT OR, OR JUST A STREETS FUNDING INITIATIVE TO THE COMMITTEE FOR POTENTIAL INCLUSION IN THE MAY BOND ELECTION. AND SO THE WANT TO WANT TO GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM YOU ON THAT AFTER MATT GOES THROUGH THE DETAILS OF THE BREAKDOWN OF THAT 207 MILLION MATT I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU. VERY GOOD. THANKS, MISTER REX.

GOOD EVENING. COUNCIL MAYOR. SO, AS JUDD SAID OVER THE LAST SUMMER, WE HAD SEVERAL TALKS

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AND BECAUSE WE KNEW THESE NEEDS WERE ON THE HORIZON, WHAT WE DID WAS RESERVE CAPACITY. AND OF THIS DONUT, WE RESERVED $400 MILLION OF DEBT SERVICE CAPACITY UNDER OUR OUR CURRENT TAX RATE, OUR DEBT SERVICE TAX RATE TO MEET THESE FUTURE NEEDS. SO CURRENTLY, THE 2024 CIP IS ABOUT 344 MILLION. WE HAVE RESERVED ABOUT 46 MILLION FOR DRAINAGE. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE SOME INFLATION RESERVES AND SOME EMERGENCY RESERVES TO ENSURE THAT CERTAIN THINGS CAN BE FUNDED, LIKE THE INFLATION RESERVES, THE PRIMARY REASON FOR THIS IS WE ALL KNOW THAT INFLATION JUMPED UP SIGNIFICANTLY. THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY IS THERE TO ENSURE THAT THE 2019 BOND PROGRAM CAN CONTINUE ON THE SCHEDULE THAT IT'S ON. HOWEVER, THIS 400 MILLION WE'VE EARMARKED SOME OF THIS, AND THAT'S WHAT IS BEING PRESENTED THERE TO THE LEFT ON THE TABLE, THE ED BOND PROGRAM, WHICH WE HEARD ABOUT EARLIER, IS ABOUT 150 MILLION OF THIS IN AUGUST. AND JUST RECENTLY THROUGH ORDINANCE A, 50% COLA TMR WITH OUR TMRS PENSION PLAN, ABOUT 130 MILLION. WE ALSO ADDED ABOUT 15 MILLION TO OUR CITY FACILITIES FOR ONGOING NEEDS THERE THROUGH A FACILITIES ASSESSMENT THAT WAS COMPLETED LAST SUMMER. SO THE LAST BIG REMAINING ITEM THAT WE HAVE OUT THERE IS STREETS AND ALLEYS AND YOU CAN SEE IT UNDERLINED AT 81.6 MILLION. THAT'S THE DELTA FROM THE PREVIOUS SLIDE OF HOW MUCH ADDITIONAL FUNDS WE NEED IN ORDER TO COMPLETE THAT PLAN. AND THE REST OF IT, WE'RE JUST CALLING PROPOSED 2025 CIP. AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS JUST RESERVING SOME CAPACITY, BECAUSE WE HAVE ACTUALLY JUST TODAY STARTED REVIEWING ALL THE CIP REQUESTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL FOR THE 2025 PLAN. SO IT WAS JUST RESERVING SOME OF THAT FOR ANY UNEXPECTED OR SOME NEW PROJECTS THAT MAY COME UP ALONG THE WAY. BECAUSE AS YOU ALL ALL KNOW, THERE'S HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF INITIATIVES. WE NEED ALL THE MONEY WE CAN GET. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE KIND OF DOING WITH THIS CHART RIGHT HER. OBVIOUSLY, WE CAN CHANGE THAT BASED OFF COUNCIL DIRECTION, BUT THAT'S HOW WE'RE GETTING UP TO THIS 400 MILLION. IF I CAN ADD GOING BACK TO THE QUESTION AS TO WHETHER THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY HERE FOR THE CITY TO TAKE THE STREETS, 207 MILLION OR SOME PORTION OF IT AND PUT PUT ON THE BALLOT. I GUESS WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM WITH THAT COUNCIL IS THAT STREETS IS A PRIORITY, AND WE HEAR THAT FROM YOU. WE HEAR THAT FROM THE RESIDENTS. IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO STRENGTHEN THE PUBLIC, THE PUBLIC'S CONFIDENCE IN OUR ABILITY TO DELIVER ON ON THIS STREETS, PROMISE BY GETTING THEIR BLESSING AT THE BALLOT, AS IT WERE? AND HOW DOES THAT INTERACT WITH OUR OTHER BONDS, OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BOND

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WE RAISED THE TAX RATE SIX AND A HALF CENTS TO COMPLETE THAT BOND PROGRAM. SO IT COULD BE THAT ANY NEW INITIATIVES COMING FORWARD, LIKE THE ED BOND PROGRAM, PROBABLY SHOULD GO BACK TO THE VOTERS BECAUSE IT'S THEIR TAXES PAYING FOR IT. SO THAT'S ONE APPROACH. YOU COULD LOOK AT IT, BUT ONE CON THAT EVERYONE SHOULD BE AWARE OF IS THAT IF A BOND PACKAGE FAILS, WE CANNOT ISSUE CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION FOR THREE YEARS FOR THAT REASON. SO THAT BASICALLY MEANS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO UTILIZE JUST TAX NOTES FOR OUR STREETS PROGRAM MOVING FORWARD. SO THERE'S PROS AND CONS TO THIS, BUT I THINK THE BIGGEST REASON FOR ME PERSONALLY TO PUT IT IN THE BOND PROGRAM IS BECAUSE IT'S THE TAXPAYERS DOLLARS. THEY, THEY, THEY VOTED TO APPROVE A SIX AND A HALF CENT TAX RATE INCREASE. TAKING THIS BACK TO THEM FOR NEW INITIATIVES SEEMS TO MAKE SENSE FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, I AGREE, I AGREE, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS, THANK

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TALK TO ME. WANT ME TO GO FOR I. SO PROS ON TAKING IT ALL TO THE VOTERS. THE BIGGEST ONE IS WHAT I JUST SAID. YOU'RE GETTING VOTER BACKING FOR THE ISSUANCE OF. I MEAN, IT'S $207.3 MILLION IN GETTING THAT VOTER BACKING. IT'S THE BIGGEST PRO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT CONS. I MENTIONED THE THREE YEAR CEO. NOW WHAT IT WOULD MORE THAN LIKELY WOULDN'T IMPACT STREETS A LOT BECAUSE WE MOSTLY USE TAX NOTES TO FUND OUR STREETS PROGRAM. THE PROBLEM IS, IS IF WE START DOING MORE BOND PROGRAMS, ADDING ON NEW PROGRAMS THAT TAX NOTE WILL DROP DOWN. BECAUSE REMEMBER THE TAX NOTE WE ISSUE TO MANAGE THE DEBT SERVICE TAX RATE TO KEEP IT THE SAME. SO THE MORE DEBT YOU PUT ON, THE SMALLER THE TAX. NOTE. SO IF THAT BECOMES OUR ONLY OPTION FOR THREE YEARS, I PERSONALLY FEEL LIKE WE WOULD BE FINE. BUT THERE IS A CHANCE THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO SOME FINANCIAL STRATEGIES TO MOVE MONEY AROUND TO FUND STREETS, TAKING A PERCENTAGE OF IT. YOU COULD SAY THE 125.7 THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY EARMARKED IS PLANNED. IT IS BEEN APPROVED BY COUNCIL IN THAT PLAN IN THE CIP.

AND THE ADDITIONAL PIECE IS REALLY THE NEW ASK OF GOING FORWARD. FAR AS WHICH PIECE YOU DO, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SAY IF THERE'S PROS AND CONS ON TAKING THE FULL PIECE, RATHER THAN JUST THE PORTION. IT'S REALLY JUST UP TO COUNCIL ON. WHAT DO THEY. HOW COMFORTABLE ARE YOU THAT THE VOTERS WANT TO SEE THE FULL PIECE? AND HOW COMFORTABLE ARE WE THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH STREETS AT SOME CAPACITY WITHOUT GOING TO THE VOTERS? AND I KNOW I'M NOT ANSWERING THAT VERY WELL, BUT IT'S A TOUGH QUESTION TO AWER. MR. CITY MANAGER, THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADD TO THAT IS THAT WHAT ENDS UP ON THE BALLOT AND THE AMOUNT ASSIGNED TO EACH OF THOSE PROPOSITIONS, IS A REFLECTION OF WHAT THE CITY'S PRIORITIES ARE. AND SO YOU KNOW, CONTINUING CONTINUING DOWN THE PATH THAT THE STUDY COMMITTEE IS GOING WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, SAY THEY END UP WITH 2 OR 3 PROPOSITIONS FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PURPOSES. AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER PROPOSITION THERE FOR STREETS THAT'S A MUCH LARGER AMOUNT THAN EVEN THE WHOLE TOTAL OF OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SPEND. I THINK THAT SENDS A STRONG MESSAGE TO THE PUBLIC THAT STREETS IS THAT MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THAN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS IMPORTANT. BUT, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS, WE HAVEN'T FORGOTTEN ABOUT STREETS. AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE COMFORTABLE WITH US MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS, WITH THIS BIG SPEND. SO I THINK THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT ENDS UP ON THE BALLOT IS A REFLECTION OF WHAT THE CITY'S PRIORITIES ARE. AND YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THAT STATEMENT WITH WITH THE STREETS PROPOSITION AS WELL. SO I'M HEARING YOU COME OUT YOUR POSITION IS ALL, ALL OR PORTION.

YEAH. I IT'S HARD TO SAY RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW THE PROPOSITIONS ARE GOING TO BREAK DOWN WITH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PART OF IT. SO I THAT'S WHERE I THINK IT'S BENEFICIAL FOR THE COMMITTEE TO THE BOND STUDY COMMITTEE TO LOOK AT IT AND BRING BACK, YOU KNOW, 1 OR 2 OPTIONS OR MAYBE JUST A STRAIGHT UP RECOMMENDATION ON WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE, MAYBE THE DIRECTION TO THE COMMITTEE COULD BE THAT YOU LOOK AT ALL OR A PORTION OF THE 207.3 MILLION AND THEN THEY, THEY KIND OF HASH IT OUT, HAVE SOME CONVERSATIONS, PUT SOME DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE ON IT, AND BRING BACK A RECOMMENDATION. OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU MAYOR. VERY GOOD. AND SO IF THAT RECOMMENDATION WERE TO COME TONIGHT, CAN WE TURN THAT I MEAN, BECAUSE THE CLOCK IS TICKING. CAN WE TURN THIS AROUND FOR THEIR MEETING IN THREE DAYS AND HAVE THIS A PRESENTATION READY FOR THEM? YEAH, OKAY. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE AGAIN, THE CLOCK IS TICKING. SO OKAY. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS THOUGHTS CONCERNS THE QUESTION BEFORE US IS TO AT LEAST REFER THIS TO THE BOND STUDY COMMITTEE FOR THEIR INPUT. AND THEY WILL RETURN THAT WITH THEIR FINAL REPORT HERE IN FOUR WEEKS OR SO. ALL IN FAVOR? THAT WOULD BE UNANIMOUS BOND STUDY MOVING THAT FORWARD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THEY JUST THOUGHT THEY WERE DON.

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[6. Transportation Infrastructure and Mobility Committee Report City Council will receive staff recommendations on evaluating wrong-way signs on Avenue B and Avenue D. At the October 8, 2024 Work Session, Councilmember Dutton requested that the Transportation Infrastructure and Mobility Committee have staff evaluate and provide these recommendations. This was seconded by Councilmember Lucht.]

IS SOMEBODY LEADING THAT OFF? COUNCIL MEMBER OD SIR. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. WE HAD A MEETING ON OCTOBER 15TH. THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS SENT OVER TO US FROM COUNCILWOMAN DUTTON AND LOOKED AT HAD MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS SOME PROBLEMS WITH WRONG WAY SIGNS ON AVENUE B AND AVENUE D, AND WE MET ON IT. AND STAFF CONCURRED THAHAT THERE S AN ISSUE AND ALREADY HAD A PLAN TO MITIGATE THAT. SO WE AGREED WITH IT, AND THEY SAID THAT IT WOULD TAKE ABOUT ONE MONTH TO TWO MONTHS TO IMPLEMENT IT. SO THAT'S THE REPORT. SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS SOMETIMES GOVERNMENT AND COMMITTEES DO WORK. YES. THEY DO QUITE WELL, QUITE EFFICIENTLY. THIS TIME.

VERY GOOD. ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM. SO THE PLAN IS ALREADY TAKING IS ALREADY ON TO FIX THE PROBLEM. YES IT IS. I SEE NO ONE ELSE IN THE QUEUE. NOPE. COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS, CAN YOU JUST GIVE US A SNIPPET OF WHAT THAT PLAN IS THAT'S GOING TO FIX IT? THEY ARE GOING TO WELL, ACTUALLY ACTUALLY LET'S GET PAUL UP. PAUL, YOU KNOW, PAUL HASN'T TALKED TO US IN A LONG TIME.

PAUL I DON'T IT'S A SNIPPET. WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM PAUL IN A LONG TIME. LET'S HEAR IT WAS ALMOST OUT THE DOOR. YOU WERE THAT CLOSE. YOU WERE. YOU REALLY WERE THAT CLOSE. SO OUR PLAN IS TO ESSENTIALLY PUT WRONG-WAY SIGNS. I DON'T I APOLOGIZE, I DON'T HAVE A SIGN OF ONE NOW BUT I THINK EVERYBODY CAN PICTURE IT. IT'S A BIG RED SIGN WITH WHITE LETTERS ON IT THAT SAYS WRONG WAY. AND IT'S. WE WILL PUT ONE OF THOSE AT EACH. BASICALLY, AFTER EACH STREET ALONG BETWEEN ALONG BETWEEN ON ON AVENUE B AND D REALLY BETWEEN WHERE IT SPLITS AT DAIRY OR JUST TO THE WEST OF DAIRY ALL THE WAY TO ABOUT STATE STREET. SO IT'S ABOUT 30 OR ABOUT TO ABOUT 80, 90 SIGNS. WOW, WOW. AND COUNCIL MEMBER HEDRICK HAS AN EXAMPLE SHOWING OF WHAT A WRONG WAY SIGN LOOKS LIKE. PAUL, YOU SAID THERE WERE GOING TO BE 80 AND 90 SIGNS. THAT SIGN. YEAH. BUT ALONG THAT THOSE STAIRWAYS ALONG AVENUE B AND D, YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T GO THE WRONG WAY THEN.

YEAH OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW, GET SOME IDEA OF WHAT WHAT WE WERE APPROVING. OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER DUTTON, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, CAN YOU TELL US, MILEAGE WISE, HOW MUCH OF A STRETCH OF ROAD WE'RE TALKING WHEN YOU SAY 89, 89 SIGNS, IT SOUNDS LIKE A VERY LARGE AMOUNT OF SIGNS OPPOSED, OPPOSED TO THINKING LIKE, WELL, IT'S A MILE AND A HALF OF ROAD TIMES TWO BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING AVENUE B AND D, RIGHT? THERE'S, THERE'S YEAH, YOU GOT BOTH DIRECTIONS. SO YOU KNOW, ROUGHLY 30 TO 40IN EACH DIRECTION. IT'S BECAUSE OF I MEAN THERE'S A LOT MORE STREETS THAN, THAN I REALIZED THERE WAS A LOT MORE SIGNS WE ENDED UP WITH. BUT BUT YOU KNOW, AFTER AFTER EVERY CROSS STREET OF AVENUE B AND D, THERE'LL BE BE ONE SIGN. OKAY. SO IT'S PROBABLY I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, IT'S PROBABLY IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT A MILE BETWEEN GARLAND AVENUE AND FIRST STREET. SO IT'D BE PROBABLY A LITTLE OVER A MILE AND A HALF. I JUST WANTED JUST FOR VISUALIZATION. IT'S NOT JUST GOING TO BE BOOM, BOOM, BOOM, BOOM, BOOM. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE 80 SIGNS. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE NO ONE ELSE IN THE QUEUE FOR THAT. THANK YOU PAUL. GOOD NIGHT PAUL. AND THEN THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM SEVEN, CITY COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON MODIFYING THE

[7. City Council Discussion on Modifying the Annual Appointee Review Process City Council will discuss the possibility of using a third-party facilitator to assist with the Annual Review Process of council-appointed officials.]

AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO PREFACE THIS WITH ANY. YEAH. MAYOR AND COUNCIL AND PROVIDED SOME INFORMATION TO YOU PREVIOUSLY ABOUT POTENTIALLY USING AN OUTSIDE CONSULTANT. A THIRD PARTY TO ASSIST YOU WITH THE ANNUAL REVIEW PROCESS. BOTH THE CITY ATTORNEY AND I HAD MADE

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[ ANNOUNCE FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS A Councilmember, with a second by another member or the Mayor alone, may ask that an item be placed on a future agenda of the City Council or of a committee of the City Council. No substantive discussion of that item will take place at this time.]

WONDERFUL. WELL, I AM EXCITED TO HEAR A REPORT ON THAT SAFETY COMMITTEE REPORT ON THAT ITEM.

OKAY. WELL, I GET COMPLAINTS ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANY ADDITIONAL FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS? SEEING NONE. JUST A REMINDER WE'RE GOING TO ADJOURN. BUT NO ONE CAN LEAVE THE BUILDING. WE ARE GOING TO RECONVENE IN OUR REGULAR MEETING AT 7:00. AND AT 623. WE

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