* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [ NOTICE OF MEETING CITY OF GARLAND, TEXAS PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE Work Session Room of City Hall William E. Dollar Municipal Building 200 N. Fifth Street Garland, Texas NOVEMBER 4, 2024 4:00 pm ] [00:00:03] GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. IT'S 4:00 PM AND WELCOME TO THE NOVEMBER PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE MEETING. I'M CHRIS DUN. I'M HERE WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS CHRIS HERE AND BJ WILLIAMS. UM, OUR UP FIRST IS THE APPROVAL OF OUR APRIL 9TH MEETING MINUTES. HAS EVERYONE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE MINUTES? YES. DO I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES? I MAKE A MOTION TO INCLUDE. THE MINUTES IS RIGHT. SECOND, THAT MOTION IS PASSED. UNANIM, UM, PUBLIC COMMENTS. HAS ANYONE SECOND FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS? UM, NO PUBLIC COMMENTS. WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO OUR ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. FIRST UP IS ITEM THREE EIGHT V, MUSIC DISTURBANCE . UM, THIS DISCUSSION WILL REVIEW ENFORCEMENT PROCEDURES AND CONSIDER POTENTIAL UPDATES TO HOMEOWNER ACCOUNTABILITY FOR REPEATED DISTURBANCES. UM, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE CHIEF BRENT, UM, WITH TO DISCUSS THIS ITEM. THANK YOU, MS. DUTTON. UH, AS A REMINDER, WE MET ON THIS TOPIC ABOUT SIX MONTHS AGO, AND WE DISCUSSED SOME OF THE EFFORTS THAT WE WERE ENGAGED IN TO REDUCE THE NOISE VIOLATIONS. AND, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO IS WE HAVE A REPORT THAT COMES OUT EVERY MONTH THAT TELLS US OF REPEAT NOISE VIOLATIONS. AND WHEN THOSE REPORTS COME OUT, UH, WE HAVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD POLICE OFFICER ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES. NOW, WHAT THE COMMITTEE ASKED ME TO DO IS KIND OF REVIEW OUR ACTIONS FOR THE NEXT SIX MONTHS AND COME BACK AND REPORT BACK TO YOU. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M HERE TODAY TO DO, WHICH IS TO TALK ABOUT THE PREVIOUS SIX MONTHS. WE HAVE PAID ATTENTION TO OUR NOISE COMPLAINTS. UH, I'LL TELL YOU, WE HAVE A NO, A LOT OF NOISE ISSUES THAT ARE HARD TO DEFINE IN SOME WAYS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT REGISTERING ON OUR DEVICES, BUT WE STILL ARE GETTING THE COMPLAINTS, SO WE HAD TO ADDRESS THOSE. WE ALSO HAVE A NUMBER OF REPEAT LOCATIONS WHERE WE GET TWO OR THREE NOISE COMPLAINTS. AND IN FACT, COUNCIL MEMBER MOORE CALLED ME ABOUT ONE THAT OCCURRED OVER THE WEEKEND, OR IT WAS THE SECOND WEEKEND IN A IN A ROW. AND ON THOSE ISSUES, WE ARE BEING MORE AGGRESSIVE IN SENDING OUR NPOS OUT. THEY'RE ABLE TO PULL BODY-WORN CAMERA VIDEO, AND IF THEY OBSERVE A VIOLATION, EVEN IF IN A VIOLATION DIDN'T RECEIVE A CITATION ON THE NIGHT FROM THE PATROL OFFICER, UH, WE STILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO ISSUE A VIOLATION THE NEXT DAY. UM, I DON'T SEE A NEED FOR ANY ADDITIONAL, UH, ORDINANCES OR LAWS, BUT I'M CERTAINLY OPEN FOR DISCUSSION ON THAT TOPIC. UM, BUT I GUESS THE BIGGEST THING TO REPORT BACK IS, IS THE WAY WE'RE BEING MORE AGGRESSIVE IN AND UTILIZING OUR NPOS AS THAT FOLLOW-UP TOOL ONCE WE HAVE THE SECOND AND THIRD OR FOURTH COMPLAINT, ESPECIALLY IN A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME. AND SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. GOOD. UM, I SPOKE TO OUR NPO WITHIN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS ABOUT A COMPLAINT, A GENTLEMAN COMPLAINING THAT IT'S ALL THE TIME. THIS IS, WAS HIS COMPLAINT OR A SPECIFIC ADDRESS. UM, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, WE ALWAYS ADDRESS NOISE COMPLAINTS ON IF THEY WERE PLAYING YOUR FAVORITE MUSIC. WAS IT TOO LOUD AND THAT SHUT DOWN A LOT OF PEOPLE ? YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE TYPE OF MUSIC, IT'S, MOST OF THE NOISE COMPLAINTS TEND TO BE ABOUT THE TYPE OF MUSIC AND NOT ACTUALLY THE VOLUME OF THE MUSIC. AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IN TALKING WITH OUR NPO. SO I DUNNO HOW TO ADDRESS THAT. I'M NOT SURE HOW TO ADDRESS THAT. I, I WILL TELL YOU THAT A LOT OF THE COMPLAINTS WE RECEIVE, AND I KIND OF HIT ON THIS TOPIC, BUT A LOT OF THE COMPLAINTS WE RECEIVE, WE GO OUT THERE AND WE JUST DO NOT SEE WHAT THIS, THE VOLUME AND THE LOUD, UH, THE AMPLIFICATION THAT WE'RE GETTING COMPLAINTS ON. WE'LL GET THE COMPLAINTS THAT IT'S EVERY SINGLE WEEKEND AND THAT IT'S NONSTOP. UH, AND WE GO OUT THERE AND WE JUST DON'T SEE IT OR HEAR IT. AND THERE'S BEEN TIMES THAT WE'VE, UH, GONE OUT THERE AND NOT HEARD IT. BUT THEN YOU CAN GO INTO THE PERSON'S HOUSE AND BASS JUST CARRIES A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY. UH, AND SOMEHOW THAT BASS IS PENETRATING IN THE HOUSE. THAT'S WHEN I SAY WE CAN'T GET IT TO REGISTER ON ANY OF OUR SOUND DEVICES, BUT WHEN YOU GO INTO THE HOUSE, YOU CAN HEAR IT. UM, BUT THOSE, I DON'T THINK THAT'S THAT TYPE OF, UH, LOUD MUSIC THAT WE ARE TYPICALLY TRYING TO ADDRESS. IT'S A BIG LOUD PARTIES. IT'S THE ONES THAT'S CAUSING THE NEIGHBORHOOD DISTURBANCES. THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WE ARE AGGRESSIVE IN FIXING. BUT AS FAR AS TYPE OF MUSIC, WE'VE HEARD THAT BEFORE. [00:05:01] UH, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ADDRESS THAT COMPLAINT SPECIFICALLY. IF, IF, IF SOMEONE WOULD LIKE FOR US TO ISSUE A CITATION BECAUSE THEY'RE OFFENDED BY THE MUSIC AND THE MUSIC IS TOO LOUD, WE ISSUE A CITATION. BUT, BUT THE KEY THAT WE LEARNED LAST TIME WAS THAT YOU HAVE TO MAKE CONTACT WITH THE OFFICER WHEN THEY RESPOND. WELL, YOU, UH, AN OFFICER CAN WRITE A TICKET WITHOUT THE COMPLAINANT. HOWEVER, UM, THEY'RE GONNA DO IT STRICTLY BY THE LAW. SO IF, IF THE OFFICER SHOWS UP AND DOES NOT HEAR THE MUSIC, OR IF IT'S, HE CANNOT HEAR IT BEYOND 50 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, UM, THE OFFICER'S NOT GONNA WRITE A CITATION. UM, SO IF, IF THE OFFICER HEARS IT, THEY ARE, BUT IT'LL BE UP THE OFFICER'S DISCRETION, I'LL PUT IT THAT WAY. BUT IF THE COMPLAINANT WANTS TO ISSUE A CITATION, THE OFFICER WILL ISSUE A CITATION. GOOD. OKAY. SO WE WILL REPORT BACK TO COUNSEL THAT, UM, WE HAVE NO CHANGE AT THIS TIME. YE, I WILL MOTION MAKE A MOTION. . CAN I, WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO, CAN I ASK A QUESTION BEFORE YOU MAKE, MAKE A MOTION, UH, JUST SO I KNOW WHAT TO DO. UM, SO WE'RE WANTING TO REPORT BACK TO COUNSEL AND THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMITTEE. IS THERE GONNA BE A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMITTEE? DO Y'ALL WANT US TO CONTINUE THE, THE ENFORCEMENT, LIKE I MENTIONED? IS THERE ANYTHING AN ADDITIONAL? I WOULD, I WOULD SAY JUST, UM, CONTINUE ENFORCEMENT. OKAY. THE SUBJECT ENFORCEMENT AS YOU ARE. AND THEN, UM, IF ANY, IF ANYTHING CHANGES, WE CAN BRING IT BACK TO. OKAY. AND SO, UM, IF, YEAH, IF WE APPROVE A MOTION, THEN I'LL BRING THAT FORWARD WITH THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE UPDATES, AND THIS WILL BE ONE OF THE TOPICS WE HIT ON. OKAY. SO I MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, CONTINUE ENFORCEMENT AS IT CURRENTLY IS WITH NO CHANGES IN THE, IN THE, UM, EFFORTS. EFFORTS AND NOTES. OKAY. I SECOND THAT QUESTION. UM, AND OUR NEXT ITEM IS GONNA BE EMERGENCY COMMUNICATION . THIS DISCUSSION WILL UPDATE THE COMMITTEE ON ENHANCEMENT TO THE EVERBRIDGE NOTIFICATION SYSTEM AND OTHER COMMUNICATION STRATEGIES FOR EMERGENCY ALERT. I'LL APPROPRIATE THAT THAT IS, UH, OUR DISCUSSION FOR TODAY AS, UM, THE SKY IS FALLING OUT. UM, WE'VE GOT, UM, FANTASTIC. MISTY GARDNER'S GONNA, YES. YES. THANK YOU, COUNCIL LADY DENTON. UM, SO AT THE LAST MEETING APRIL 9TH, THE UH, COMMITTEE REQUESTED THAT WE BRING TWO THINGS BACK TO COMMITTEE FOR UPDATE. ONE WAS, UH, BREAKDOWN OF THE EVERBRIDGE CONTACT METHODS, AND THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE SLIDE BECAUSE IT'S HARD TO EXPLAIN THAT WITHOUT A PICTURE. AND THEN THE SECOND WAS TO LOOK AT OUR PROCESSES AFTER WE ACTIVATE THE OUTDOOR WARNING SIRENS. SO FIRST OF ALL, THE BREAKDOWN YOU REQUESTED RELATED TO THE EVER EVERBRIDGE CONTACT METHODS. SO RIGHT NOW, CURRENTLY IN THE SYSTEM, THERE ARE JUST OVER 36,000, UM, CONTACTS, UH, SHOWING, UM, I'M, I'M SORRY, 336,400, UH, CONTACTS SHOWING IN THE SYSTEM. UH, TWO 21,000, A LITTLE OVER 21,000 ARE BUSINESS CONTACTS, 315,000 ESTIMATED OR RESIDENTIAL. HOWEVER, OBVIOUSLY THAT DOESN'T MATCH UP WITH OUR POPULATION. THAT'S BECAUSE SEVERAL OF THESE CONTACTS ARE REPEATED. SO WE FURTHER BROKE DOWN WHAT SOME OF THAT LOOKS LIKE AND WHAT SOME OF THE, UM, REPETITIVE CONTACTS ARE. WE WERE ABLE TO AUTOMATICALLY TAKE OUT ABOUT 66,000 DUPLICATES JUST BASED OFF OF VERY SIMPLE, UM, METHODS RELATED TO THE, UM, REPEAT OF GPNL CUSTOMERS FOR RESIDENTIAL. SO THOSE WERE RE, RE, UM, REMOVED FROM, FROM THE SYSTEM. BUT, UH, THIS COMMITTEE REQUESTED THAT WE ACTUALLY BREAK DOWN THE NUMBERS FOR, UH, THE TYPES OF METHODS THAT THEY HAVE, ESPECIALLY IF THEY ONLY HAVE ONE METHOD. SO THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE BREAKDOWN. SO FOR TEXT ONLY, UH, THERE ARE 516 CONTACTS THAT ONLY HAVE A TEXT METHOD, MEANING WHEN WE ACTIVATE THE EVERBRIDGE SYSTEM, IF WE DO NOT ACTIVATE IT WITH TEXT, THEY WOULD NOT GET A NOTIFICATION. UH, LIKEWISE THERE ARE 1,161 THAT [00:10:01] HAVE EMAIL ONLY, AND THEN A LITTLE OVER 112,000 THAT HAVE CALL ONLY. UM, WHEN YOU LOOK PAST THAT, ANOTHER 135,000 HAD MULTIPLE CONTACTS. SO WITH THAT, MOST OF THE CONTACTS IN THE SYSTEM, UM, DO HAVE MULTIPLE METHODS. UH, BUT WHAT WE DISCUSSED AT THE LAST MEETING HAD TO DO WITH USE OF THAT SYSTEM RELATED TO THE SIRENS SPECIFICALLY AND FOR SEVERE WEATHER. AND THE FACT THAT THOSE CALL, THE ONES THAT ARE CALL ONLY WOULD NOT NECESSARILY GET A NOTIFICATION THROUGH THE SYSTEM UNLESS THEY SPECIFICALLY REQUESTED IT, UM, IN THE REGISTRATION. AND THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE TIME IT TAKES TO PHYSICALLY CALL EACH OF THOSE NUMBERS. UM, AS FAR AS THE CHANGE, THERE'S ONLY ONE CHANGE. SO, UH, THIS COMMITTEE REQUESTED THAT MOVING FORWARD PAST THE APRIL MEETING, IF WE ACTIVATED THE OUTDOOR WARNING SIRENS, THAT STAFF SENT A NOTIFICATION TO COUNCIL, UH, TO CITY STAFF, AND THEN ALSO TO THE PUBLIC RELATED TO WHY WE ACTIVATED THE SIRENS. SO SHORTLY AFTER THAT MEETING, WE CHANGED THE PROCESS AND, UM, WE DID START SENDING THOSE NOTIFICATIONS OUT THROUGH EVERBRIDGE. UH, AGAIN, IT WAS TEXT ONLY METHODS, MEANING EMAILS AND TEXT MESSAGES ONLY, NOT PHONE CALLS, UH, JUST TO SAY THIS IS THE REASON WHY WE ACTIVATED THE OUTDOOR WARNING SIRENS. AND THEN IF, UM, IF WE'RE ABLE TO, WHICH WE HAVE BEEN, WE WILL ALSO POST ON SOCIAL MEDIA. SO WE WORK WITH, UH, PUBLIC AND MEDIA RELATIONS TO POST ON SOCIAL MEDIA. SO WITH THAT, UNLESS THERE ARE QUESTIONS, THAT CONCLUDES MY UPDATE QUESTION. UM, SAVING THEM. UM, DO YOU SEE ANY INCREASE CALLBACKS OR INQUIRIES AS A RESULT OF ALLEGED EFFORTS? ARE YOU REFERRING TO, UM, INCREASED INTEREST IN THE SYSTEM? YEAH, PEOPLE THAT HAVE REGISTERED FOR THE SYSTEM, WE HAVE ABOUT 400 MORE RES REGISTRATIONS THAN WE HAD PRIOR TO THE MAY STORM. UM, THERE ARE ACTUALLY MORE THAN THAT, UH, CLOSER TO 700, BUT A LOT OF IT IS STILL DUPLICATION. SO WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS THAT A PERSON MAY BE IN THE SYSTEM TWO OR THREE TIMES, ONE OF THEIR REGISTRATIONS HAS AN EMAIL, ONE OF THEIR REGISTRATIONS HAS NUMBERS, UM, ET CETERA. SO, UM, IT'S ABOUT 400 MORE REGISTRATIONS SINCE THEN. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM. I'M ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT FEEL THAT YOU CANNOT WARN PEOPLE TOO MANY TIMES OR IN TOO MANY DIFFERENT WAYS. BUT I PERSONALLY GET TEXTS AND EMAILS AND OCCASIONALLY A PHONE CALL, AND MY HUSBAND DOES TOO. AND MY HUSBAND WILL CALL ME FROM SOMEWHERE ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO INFORM ME THAT THERE'S BAD WEATHER IN GARLIC. AND IT'S LIKE, YES, I, I KNOW. SO, UM, I THINK THE SYSTEM WORKS, UM, IF PEOPLE CHOOSE TO REGISTER FOR THE SYSTEM. AND I DO KNOW PEOPLE THAT SAY, I DON'T WANT TO BE BOTHERED IF THERE'S BAD WEATHER. AND THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME, BUT THAT'S THEIR PERSONAL REFERENCE AND WE CAN'T FORCE IT DOWN THEIR THROAT. SO WITH THE WARNING SYSTEMS, THE TEXTS, THE EMAILS, UM, I FEEL WE'VE DONE OUR DUE DILIGENCE ABOVE AND BEYOND TO WARN PEOPLE WHEN THERE'S SEVERE WEATHER IN THE AREA. AND, UM, I APPRECIATE OUR SERVICE. YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. SO I HAVE A QUESTION. UM, SO WE HAVE 6%, UM, ON OUR LITTLE PIE OF BUSINESSES. YES. SO THAT'S 6% OF THE TOTAL, NOT 6% OF THE BUSINESSES. YES. YES, YES. UM, I'M NOT A VERY GOOD WORDER. UM, SO I DID NOT KNOW THAT BUSINESSES COULD REGISTER FOR MM-HMM. THE . SO THAT'S AMAZING. UM, IS THERE ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAT THEY HAVE TO DO TO REGISTER AS THE BUSINESS? NO. THEY CAN REGISTER JUST LIKE A RESIDENT, BUT ONE THING THAT WE DO HAVE IS JUST LIKE WE PAY FOR RESIDENTIAL DATA. UM, IT'S WHITE PAGE DATA. UM, WE PAY FOR BUSINESS DATA. UH, WE DO HAVE TO CLEAN THAT, UH, SANITIZE IT QUITE A BIT BECAUSE IF A BUSINESS HAS 300 PHONE NUMBERS, FOR INSTANCE, WE DON'T WANT 300 PHONE NUMBERS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT BUSINESS. SO IT ONLY CALLS THE MAIN NUMBER. SO WE WORKED WITH THE CONTRACTOR TO SANITIZE THAT DOWN TO THE NUMBER THAT WE HAVE. SO WHEN THEY CALL TO REGISTER, OR IF THEY REGISTER MANUALLY, WE WILL CHECK IN THE SYSTEM AND SEE WHAT WE HAVE FOR THEM ALL ALREADY. AND THEN IF THEY WANT TO ADD ADDITIONAL NUMBERS, LIKE [00:15:01] TEXT NUMBERS OR CELL NUMBERS, WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT FOR THEM. OKAY. AWESOME. I, I THINK THAT'S ONE THING I WOULD PERSONALLY LIKE TO SEE THAT WE, I MEAN I, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW IT LOOKED LIKE IF IT'S JUST WORD OF MOUTH ON OUR END, UM, BUT TO TRY TO SPREAD THAT TO THE BUSINESSES, LIKE, HEY, I MEAN, I KNOW I GO OUTTA MY WAY TO GET PEOPLE TO DO THEIR PERSONAL REGISTRATION, UM, FOR THE NOTIFICATIONS 'CAUSE I THINK THAT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT. UM, AND SO I WOULD LOVE TO SEE MORE BUSINESSES PARTICIPATE IN THAT. HOWEVER WE CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN. UM, IF THAT MEANS I NEED TO GO PASS OUT PAPERS TO BUSINESSES, I'LL TOTALLY DO IT. BUT THAT'S REALLY COOL THAT WE OFFER THE BUSINESSES TO BE A PART OF THAT. SO ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING? THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE IT. YES, MA'AM. THIS ALL THERE. SO OUR FINAL ITEM TODAY IS TOTAL HEALTH AND SAFETY STANDARDS IN EMERGENCY. THIS DISCUSSION WILL REVIEW THE STANDARDS AND PROTOCOLS FOR ISSUING PUBLIC NOTIFICATIONS DURING VARIOUS EMERGENCY SITUATIONS. I THINK THAT IS, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S FROM THE, UH, THE NEXT ITEM WE HAVE, OH, JUST, SORRY, , ANOTHER ITEM. I DON'T, YOU'RE GOOD. I, I, I GOT, UH, MY FINGER OFF. YEAH, YOU'RE GOOD. JUST BE, WE'RE ON C ITEM THREE. C UH, MADAM CHAIRMAN, MAY I INTERJECT REAL QUICK? UH, IS THERE GONNA BE ANY ACTION TAKEN WITH B OH? UM, NO, I DON'T, I DON'T BELIEVE SO. UM, JUST DO WE NEED TO DO A MOTION FOR THAT? I THINK IT WOULD BE CLEAR FOR THE MINUTES AND, OKAY. SO, UM, WE NEED A MOTION TO KEEP, KEEP DOING AS WE WERE DOING ALL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO KEEP DOING AS WE WERE DOING AND NOTIFYING AS MANY PEOPLE AS WE CAN THROUGH THE SYSTEM. I SECOND MOTION PROCESS. THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. SORRY. I'M INTERVIEW. WE JUST WING IN. OKAY. SO ITEM THREE C IS THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE WILL DISCUSS THE SCHOOL PICKUP AND DROP OFF TRAFFIC IN NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE BROOKLYN IN SCHOOLS ZONE AREAS. AND I'M GONNA INVITE, UH, PAUL LUCKEY UP HERE. 'CAUSE I KNOW THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT HE AND I BOTH HAVE WORKED ON, UM, OVER TIME. BUT THE QUESTION I DO HAVE FOR THE COMMITTEE IS TO HELP US UNDERSTAND THE SCOPE OF, OF WHAT WE'RE NEEDING. UM, YOU KNOW, HIGH SCHOOLS, UH, THE MIDDLE SCHOOLS, ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, WE RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF CARS SHOWING UP TO DROP KIDS OFF AND IT CAUSES TRAFFIC CONGESTIONS. THERE'S TRAFFIC CONGESTIONS AROUND MY HOUSE, THE SCHOOL AROUND MY HOUSE. SO, SO IF, UH, THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE COULD HELP US UNDERSTAND THE SCOPE OF, OF WHAT WE'RE WANTING TO CONSIDER HERE. SO I YOU GOOD. SORRY. YOU GOOD? GO AHEAD. OKAY. UM, I KNOW PART OF IT WAS, UM, THE, THE NO PARKING SIGNS, UM, THE SIGNAGE THAT'S IN FRONT OF THE SCHOOLS, UM, WHEN SHAUNA AND I WENT OUT, UM, FOR A LITTLE RIDE ALONG IN THE DISTRICT, ONE OF THE TOPICS WAS AT JACKSON. UM, I GUESS WE'VE GOTTEN QUITE A FEW COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE PARKING AND TOO MANY CARS PARKED. I DON'T A HUNDRED PERCENT KNOW WHAT IT WAS, I GUESS TEACHERS PARKING ALONG THE STREET OR SOMETHING. UM, SO WE WENT AND TOOK A PEEK AT THE, THE NO PARKING SIGNS THAT WERE ON THE SIDE OF JACKSON. UM, I CANNOT THINK OF THE, UM, HILLSTONE. UM, AND WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THEM, A LOT OF THEM DIDN'T REALLY, IT WAS LIKE, THERE WAS, IT WAS LIKE AN INDEFINITE, THERE WAS NO END OR THERE WAS AN END, AND THEN THE SIGN KEPT GOING OR THE, THE TIME ZONE, THE, OR THE TIMEFRAMES DIDN'T MATCH UP ON ALL OF THE SIGNS. UM, THERE WAS SOME OF THEM THAT WERE NOT REGISTERED IN OUR SYSTEM AS A NO PARKING SIGN. UM, SO IT WAS JUST KIND OF A LITTLE INCONSISTENCY AS FAR AS THE SIGNAGE. UM, AND THEN HOW DO WE ENFORCE IT IF OUR SIGNS AREN'T REALLY MAKING A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE? AND SO I THINK THAT WAS THE, THE BIGGEST PART OF IT. UM, OKAY. AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SPEAK TO PARKING SIGNS AROUND JACKSON OR, UM, AND I, AND I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER IF THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M THINKING OF, BUT I KNOW ONE OF THE ONES, AND I THINK THIS WAS THE ONE WAS, UH, THE, THE ISSUE OFTEN IS, I MEAN, WE PUT UP NO PARKING SIGNS AND THEY, OR THEY GOT PUT UP [00:20:02] 10 OR 20 OR 30 YEARS AGO AND, AND THEN THEY, AND THEN, AND THEN SOMEONE KNOCKS IT DOWN OR THEY, IT'S FOR VARIOUS REASONS, SIGNS GET KNOCKED DOWN ALL THE TIME. SO WE REPLACE, WE, WE, WE, WE REPLACE ALL OF 'EM, BUT ANYTHING THAT WAS PUT IN OVER 20 YEARS AGO, PROBABLY WE DON'T HAVE RECORD OF WHAT ALL WAS THERE NECESSARILY. UM, AND THEN SOMETIMES RESIDENTS OVER THE YEARS WILL ASK, THEY NOT, ANYWAY, IT, IT, IT GETS, IT GETS TO BE A, A CHALLENGE SOMETIMES BECAUSE IF PEOPLE DON'T REPORT THINGS IN, THEN WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT 'EM. THAT WAS AN INSTANCE WHERE I THINK THERE WERE A FEW SIGNS UP. THE ORDINANCE I THINK DIDN'T NECESSARILY MATCH WHAT WAS ON THE SIGN. AND SO IT WAS A LITTLE BIT OF CONFUSION WHAT THEY WANTED. THE OTHER THING IS THEY WERE, IT WAS IN FRONT OF PEOPLE'S HOUSES, WHICH IT'S, IT'S A REAL, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR CURRENT POLICY HAS BEEN FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS NOW THAT, UM, WE AREN'T GONNA RESTRICT PARKING IN FRONT OF SOMEONE'S HOUSE BECAUSE THAT'S, BECAUSE IT, IT APPLIES TO EVERYONE. SO, AND DIDN'T, UNLESS, UNLESS THE RESIDENT, YOU KNOW, SAYS, YEAH, I WANT YOU TO RESTRICT PARKING FROM MY HOUSE, WE WON'T DO THAT. SO UNLESS IT'S ALREADY THERE, THAT'S TYPICALLY THE CHALLENGE. AND WE WERE TRYING TO WORK WITH THE RESIDENTS. I THINK WE'VE GOT THAT WORKED OUT TO WHERE WE'VE GONE BACK. AND I, I THINK WE'VE PUT THOSE SIGNS BACK UP NOW, BUT I THINK THAT ISSUE HAS BEEN RESOLVED. SO I WASN'T SURE IF THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH JUST THIS ONE INSTANCE OR IF THERE WAS A, I THOUGHT THAT, UM, AND I, I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU WERE WANTING, BUT THE, I KNOW COUNCILWOMAN LOOKED, I THINK WAS LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE OF SCHOOLS AND NEIGHBORHOODS AND, AND, AND WHAT, HOW TO ADDRESS THAT. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS PART OF WHAT YOU WERE WANTING TO TALK ABOUT. I, I WOULDN'T KNOW HOW TO ADDRESS THAT. I MEAN, IF YOU WERE FOR DROP OFF AND PICKED UP, ESPECIALLY AT ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, IT'S A TRAFFIC NIGHTMARE AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN A TRAFFIC NIGHTMARE. UH, DAUGHTERY ELEMENTARY THERE ON MILLER, BECAUSE OF THE CONSTRUCTION AT MILLER AND GLENBROOK, YOU ALREADY HAD THE BACKUP BECAUSE OF THE SCHOOL AND THE SCHOOL ZONE. AND NOW IT BACKS ALL THE WAY UP INTO THE CONSTRUCTION AND PAST THE CONSTRUCTION. AND I DON'T SEE THAT THAT'S FIXABLE UNTIL, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTION IS DONE. MM-HMM. AND THEN EVEN THEN WE'RE STILL GONNA HAVE THE BACKUP. WE ALWAYS HAVE, BUT IT'S BEEN THERE AS LONG AS I'VE LIVED THERE, WHICH HAS BEEN OVER 30 YEARS. AND WHAT CAUSES PROBLEMS IS PEOPLE THEN TRYING TO CUT INTO LINE INSTEAD OF GETTING AT THE END OF THE LINE. MM-HMM. IT WOULD MOVE A LOT SMOOTHER IF YOU JUST KNEW TO GO TO THE END OF THE LINE AND GET IN LINE. UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO FIX THAT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT COULD BE DONE TO FIX THAT AS FAR AS PARKING DURING SCHOOL HOURS. UM, I HAVE QUITE A FEW VOCAL RESIDENTS OVER ON AVENUE A AND IN THAT AREA THAT HAVE REQUESTED THE NO PARKING SIGNS. AND THAT'S BEEN VERY WELL EXPLAINED TO THEM. THAT MEANS YOU CAN'T PARK THERE EITHER. AND THEY ARE GOOD WITH THAT. AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WANTS IT, GO FOR IT. UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ADDRESS DROP OFF AND PICK UP AT SCHOOL. I MEAN, THAT'S, SINCE I WAS IN SCHOOL, THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN AN ISSUE. I DUNNO. YEAH. IT GOES BACK TO THE DAYS OF, OF, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY BUILT THESE SCHOOLS AND THEY WERE NEIGHBORHOOD SCHOOLS AND THE KIDS WALKED TO SCHOOL AND THEY WEREN'T DRIVEN SO THEY, THEIR SCHOOLS WEREN'T BUILT OR WEREN'T CITED FOR WHAT THEY, THE WAY THEY WORK NOW. THAT'S, THAT'S THE BIGGEST ISSUE. AND YOU'RE RIGHT. I MEAN, AND IN ORDER TO TRULY ADDRESS IT, I, I THINK THERE'S ONLY, THERE'S ONLY TWO REAL WAYS. I THINK YOU COULD EITHER MOVE THE SCHOOL TO SOMEWHERE ELSE OR YOU COULD, THERE'S SOME PLACES THAT HAVE ENOUGH LAND, WHICH A LOT OF 'EM DON'T HAVE ENOUGH LAND, BUT THE ONES THAT HAVE ENOUGH LAND, YOU COULD, IF THE SCHOOL WOULD BUILD MORE PAVEMENT ON THEIR SITE TO BASICALLY, SO PEOPLE ARE PARKING ON THEIR SITE INSTEAD OF ON THE STREETS. UM, BOTH OF THOSE OBVIOUSLY WOULD HAVE TO BE SOMETHING THE SCHOOL WOULD DO. SO AS FAR AS ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO, WE'RE PRETTY LIMITED. WE WORK WITH THE SCHOOLS ALL THE TIME. UM, WE TRY TO, YOU KNOW, WE TRY TO MITIGATE IT AS MUCH AS WE CAN. AND I KNOW THAT THE CHIEF VERY INVOLVED IN THAT TOO. AND THEN JUST TRY TO, TRY TO MANAGE IT AS BEST WE CAN. BUT AS FAR AS SOLVING THE PROBLEM, IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THE SCHOOL WOULD REALLY HAVE TO DO. SOME OF THE THINGS WE'VE DONE TO MITIGATE IS LIKE STAGGER THE RELEASE TIMES IF THERE'S MULTIPLE SCHOOLS IN THE SAME AREA, STAGGER THE RELEASE TIMES FOR THOSE SCHOOLS SO THAT THEY'RE NOT, UH, LETTING OUT AT THE SAME TIME. BUT THE SCHOOL'S ALWAYS [00:25:01] BEEN VERY COOPERATIVE AND, AND AS WELL AS THE PRIVATE SCHOOLS AND, AND GETTING THAT ACCOMPLISHED. WELL, THE BIG, UH, YOU, I'VE GOT, I'VE GOT, UH, SCHOOL, ONE HIGH SCHOOL THAT PAUL HAS DOWN, BEEN A LOT OF TIME IN MIAMI, PUT, PUT UP SOME NEW SIGNAGE. AND IT IS SO FAR, KNOCK ON WOOD, IT, IT APPEARS TO HAVE MADE A DIFFERENCE, UH, THERE. SO THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE HIGH SCHOOLS. BUT THE PROBLEM, THE PROBLEM THAT I'VE SEEN IS, UH, ONE PLAYER EXAMPLE, ELEMENTARY, WHICH IS IN DISTRICT FIVE, BUT, UH, THE ONGOING PROBLEM THERE IS PEOPLE PARKING IN THIS MIDDLE OF THE STREET. OKAY. UM, I'VE TALKED TO THE NPO ABOUT TALKING TO THE SROS AND WE CAN TALK TO THE PRINCIPAL AND WE GET SOME KIND OF AGREEMENT AND THROUGH, THROUGH, THROUGH GSD SECURITY TO, TO ABATE THAT. BUT THAT IS BECOMING A GROWING PROBLEM. THEY'RE NOT PARKING, UH, THEY JUST PULL UP AT TWO 30 AND WAIT, AND THEN MIDDLE STREET. IT'S, IT'S, AND IT'S BEEN A, AN ONGOING PROBLEM. UM, UM, SAME THING FOR BANIAN, UH, MIDDLE SCHOOL. SO THAT, THAT I'M NOT SURE HOW, HOW, UH, HOW TO WORK THAT OUT, FOLLOW OUT, BUT THEY JUST, THEY PULL UP, THEY TURN THE MOTOR OFF, THEY SIT THERE AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY SITTING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET WAITING FOR, UH, SO IT'S NOT IN SOME OF THE AREAS YOU GOT THE CURB LANE THEY GETTING, THEY, THEY GETTING THE CURB LANE TRYING TO GET IN LINE. THAT'S NOT THE CASE OVER THERE. THE CASE IS THAT THERE IS PARKING ACTUALLY IN MIDDLE STREET. HOW, HOW? I DON'T KNOW. UH, IN FACT IT, WE TALKED ABOUT IT LAST WEEK AND, UH, SO THE, THE, UH, UH, THE, UH, NPOS AND THE RSOS GOING TO HAVE SOME CONVERSATION WITH THE PRINCIPAL ON THERE. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE ENTRY IS, BUT IT'S BECOMING A REAL, REAL PROBLEM OVER THERE. CAN I CLARIFY SOMETHING? YES. UH, IN, IN THIS SCENARIO, ARE THE VEHICLES, UH, SO THEY'RE WANTING TO ENTER INTO THE SCHOOL PROPERTY. THE SCHOOL PROPERTY IS FULL OF CARS. SO SCHOOL PROPERTY, THE SCHOOL IS ON LEFT. RIGHT. OKAY. VEHICLES COME IN, COMING IN FROM, FROM THIS WAY. RIGHT? RIGHT. THEY'RE HEADED THIS WAY. OKAY. THEY, THEY PULL UP AND THEY STOP. THEY WAIT. RIGHT NOW, IF ANY, ANY PICKUPS PICKS PICK UP THE CHILDREN FROM COMING FROM THE OTHER WAY, THEY PULL UP AND THEY SIT, THEY, BECAUSE IT'S, IT IS A RELATIVELY NARROW STREET. IT'S A NEIGHBORLESS RESIDE RESIDENTIAL STREET. SO WHAT YOU'VE GOT IS, IS THE CURB LANE CARS, THEN YOU'VE GOT THE OTHER CARS SITTING THERE. SO I'M NOT SURE, UM, UH, BECAUSE THERE'S, THE WAY THE SCHOOL IS BUILT, THERE'S NO ROOM FOR PUTTING IN, IN PARKING BEHIND THE SCHOOL. YOU CAN'T PUT IN PARK, YOU GOTTA, YOU GOTTA PICK THE KIDS ACROSS THE STREETS. SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S A PROBLEM. YEAH. THAT'S A CHALLENGE. YEAH. AND WE'VE SEEN THAT AT SEVERAL SCHOOLS. AND THE CHALLENGE IS THAT IF YOU ARE PULLING UP TO ENTER ONTO SCHOOL PROPERTY AND NOW YOU'RE STOPPED WAITING, THEN YOU'RE NOT COMMITTING A CRIMINAL VIOLATION THAT'S NOT, UM, THAT'S STOPPING, UH, TO, TO WAIT FOR IT TO CLEAR. SO IT'S NOT A CRIMINAL VIOLATION. SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE CAN GO OUT AND WRITE TICKETS FOR. UM, HOPEFULLY IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN, CAN EDUCATE AND HELP WITH, BUT THE STREETS ARE SO NARROW. WHERE DO THOSE CARS GO? YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE WANTING TO PICK UP YOUR KID AND YOU SEE THE PARKING LOT'S FULL, OKAY, WHERE DO YOU GO NOW? AND I'M, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. I'M, I'M, I'M, I'M WONDERING THOUGH, CHIEF, IS, IS THERE SOME COOPERATIVE EFFORT BETWEEN THE PRINCIPAL AND THE, THE, UH, OUR SROS, OUR OUR FOLKS AND GETTING A FLYER OR SENDING OUT TO PARENTS AND THAT WOULD, UH, TELL THEM, UH, YOU KNOW, PICK UP JOHNNY AT [00:30:01] WHATEVER THE TIME THEY COULD PICK HIM UP AT. BUT, UH, BUT NOT TO HOLD TRAFFIC UP. AND THAT'S, BECAUSE THEN, THEN SCHOOL HOURS, IT'S DIFFICULT. IT'S DIFFICULT TO, FOR PASS THROUGH TRAFFIC TO GET THROUGH IT. RIGHT. 'CAUSE IT'S BLOCKED BOTH WAYS. AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO, TRYING TO RIGHT. FIND A SOLUTION TO. WELL, THE, THE CHALLENGE IS WHAT DO WE TELL THEM TO DO? AND THAT'S, THAT'S, SO WE, WE, WE'VE GOTTA TELL THEM IF WE'RE GONNA GIVE THEM INSTRUCTIONS, WHAT IS IT THAT THEY DO? AND I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. I MEAN, MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS. I JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S A PROBLEM. UH, I KNOW THE, UH, UH, THE, UH, UH, THE, THE, UH, NPOS, YOU KNOW, AND SROS ARE SAYING THEY'RE TALKING TO THE PRINCIPALS. SO THEY'RE TRYING TO, THEY'RE TRYING TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION FOR THAT PROBLEM. BUT EXACTLY WHAT THE TELL APPEAR, I DON'T KNOW. BUT IT, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S JUST A GROWING PROBLEM IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE FOLKS WHO LIVE AROUND THERE ARE, UH, GETTING AROUND THAT BECAUSE THEY GOT PROBLEM. SURE, SURE. YEAH. AND WE NEED TO OFFER 'EM A SOLUTION. I, I JUST DON'T, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S KINDA LIKE, UH, PAUL SAID IT'S, THEY'RE OLDER SCHOOLS. UM, THEY'RE BUILT IN NEIGHBORHOODS. THE STREETS AREN'T EQUIPPED TO HANDLE THAT MUCH TRAFFIC AT THE SAME TIME. AND SO IF WE'RE GONNA GIVE OUR, UH, PARENTS INSTRUCTIONS TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, I IT'S WHAT IS THAT DIFFERENT? UH, UM, I DON'T KNOW. HOW, HOW LONG CAN I ASK YOU, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT MONTCLAIR AND O'BANION, HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO CLEAR OUT? SO I KNOW SCHOOL RELEASES, UM, IS, IS THIS HOW LONG A PERIOD IS A TIME? IS THIS ABOUT AN HOUR, HOUR AND A HALF? I'M GIVING, I DON'T KNOW EXACT THAT EXACT TIME IT WENT OUT, BUT IT'S LEAST AN HOUR, AN HOUR AND A HALF BEFORE THEY GET THOSE CARS THROUGH THERE, OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND GONE. IT'S ABOUT, WELL, DAMIAN DOESN'T HAVE A, A DRIVE THROUGH AT ALL. RIGHT? IT'S JUST, IT'S STRAIGHT STREET. IT'S JUST STRAIGHT STREET. YEAH. YEAH. SO IT, IT, IT DOESN'T, UH, SO I'D SAY AN HOUR OR 20 MINUTES MAYBE CHIEF, SO HERE'S WHAT I'D RECOMMEND ON THIS IS GIVE US A LITTLE TIME TO, LET'S, LET'S DO A, A TRAFFIC ASSESSMENT OUT HERE. A TRAFFIC SURVEY. UM, WE'LL, WE'LL GET SOME GOOD TIMES OF HOW LONG AT TIMES IT TAKES TO CLEAR OUT. WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN BRAINSTORM SOME IDEAS TO, UM, SPEED UP TRAFFIC OR SPEED UP THE RELEASE. AND THEN WE WILL COME BACK TO THE COMMITTEE WITH WHAT WE FOUND. OKAY. THAT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA BECAUSE, UH, I KNOW THAT THE, UH, THE, UH, CAN'T THINK NEW WORLD, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF NEW WORLD PROMISE. I KNOW THEY, THEY'VE GOT A BUNCH OF CITIZENS WHO ARE WORKING, WORKING WITH, WORKING ON THAT, AND THEY'RE WORKING WITH, UH, LIEUTENANT HONDO. IT'S ALSO BEEN ALERT TO THAT SITUATION. SO I KNOW THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON IT, BUT WHAT THEY'RE COMING UP WITH, BUT, BUT WE ARE JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO MAKE IT AS, AS, AS TANGIBLE AS POSSIBLE WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, ROBBING ANYBODY UP. SO I'M NOT, HE NOT SURE. OKAY. HE'S LOOKING INTO IT. OKAY. SO, AND THAT'S BOTH AT MONTCLAIR AND BANIAN? YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. I KNOW WE'VE WORKED WITH BOTH OF THOSE IN THE LAST FEW YEARS. YEAH. ON, ON PLANS. SO UNFORTUNATELY, THANK YOU. WE TEACH COMMON SENSE. YEAH. WELL, AND THERE'S A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF IT THAT'S, THAT'S, THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH, I MEAN, IT'S, YOU KNOW, JUST GIVEN WHERE THEY ARE AND THE, AND JUST THE CIRCUMSTANCES, THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH WE CAN DO, BUT IT'S STILL FRUSTRATING FOR, FOR THE PEOPLE TRYING TO DRIVE THROUGH. WELL, THE SCHOOLS WERE BUILT FOR KIDS TO WALK TO SCHOOL. YEAH. AND THEY WERE FOR THE KIDS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY WALKED TO SCHOOL AND YOU ONLY PICKED UP YOUR KIDS WHEN THE WEATHER WAS REALLY BAD. I MEAN, LIKE REALLY BAD. OTHERWISE YOU TOLD THEM TO PUT ON THEIR RAIN COAT AND WALK HOME. UM, AND NOW THE KIDS DON'T GO TO NEIGHBORHOOD SCHOOLS. SO THE KIDS THAT ARE GOING TO THAT SCHOOL MAY LIVE ACROSS TOWN. SO, UM, AND THEY'RE RIDING WITH MOM AND DAD AND THEY HAVE TO, YEAH. OKAY. ALRIGHT. OKAY. SO WE'RE GONNA USE FOR SIX MONTHS. SO GIVE US ABOUT SIX MONTHS. WE'LL REVIEW MONTCLAIR BANON, WE'LL CHECK THE SIGNS AT JACKSON MIDDLE SCHOOL, AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE AND KIND OF TALK ABOUT WHAT WE FOUND. I GET A MOTION FOR, UM, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE FOLLOW CHIEF BRIAN'S [00:35:01] RECOMMENDATION AND GIVE HIM SIX MONTHS TO CHECK OUT THE SITUATION AND BRING IT BACK TO COMMITTEE I SECOND. AND THAT WILL BRING US TO OUR LAST ITEM, WHICH IS 3D PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE WILL DISCUSS THE TRAFFIC AROUND GOOD SHEPHERD AFTER CHURCH SERVICES. THIS IS ACTUALLY ONE THAT I BROUGHT TO US. UM, THE MAIN, THE MAIN CONCERN ON THIS ONE, AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND WE DO NOT, UM, TEACH COMMON SENSE. WE DO NOT TEACH PEOPLE THE CORRECT WAY TO ACT. HOWEVER, UM, THE, ARE YOU SNEAKING OFF, DUDE, I'M JUST KIDDING. , THIS ONE'S ALL YOURS. UM, THE, UH, THE HERBS OF PEOPLE THAT COME ACROSS WITH ZERO REGARD TO THE TRAFFIC COMING AT THEM, UM, IS INSANE. UM, SO I, I GUESS LIKE PART OF MY, MY QUESTION BASICALLY WAS, YOU KNOW, LIKE, UM, AT INTERNATIONAL LEADERSHIP THEY HAVE, UM, OFF DUTY MM-HMM. OFFICERS THAT DIRECT TRAFFIC SO THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE FLOW IS GOOD. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE ARE ALLOWED TO PUSH THEM IN THAT DIRECTION? I DON'T KNOW, LIKE LEGALLY ARE WE ALLOWED TO TELL THEM LIKE, THIS IS AN ISSUE. YOU'VE GOTTA HAVE SOMEONE, WE CANNOT FORCE THEM TO HIRE POLICE OFFICERS OFF DUTY. NOW A LOT OF CHURCHES DO, A LOT OF CHURCHES DO FOR, UM, TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT AND TO ALLOW THEIR, THEIR, UH, PEOPLE TO GET OUT SAFELY WHEN THEY ARE EXITING TRAFFIC. WE CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH THEM, BUT THIS MAY BE AN ENFORCEMENT ISSUE IF WE HAVE PEDESTRIANS THAT ARE WALKING IN FRONT OF TRAFFIC. UH, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT ILLEGAL PARKING AROUND THIS CHURCH BLOCKING DRIVEWAYS IN THE PAST. UM, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK, I THINK THIS IS LIKELY AN ENFORCEMENT ISSUE AND I THINK ONCE WE START INITIATING THAT ENFORCEMENT, MAYBE WE CHAIN SOME, UH, SOME HABITS. UM, I SPOKE WITH ALEC, ALEX FROM GOOD SHEPHERD THIS WEEK, UM, CONCERNING THIS ISSUE. HE SAYS, ONE, THE CHURCH IS NOT IN A FINANCIAL SITUATION RIGHT NOW TO HIRE OFF DUTY OFFICERS, THE DIRECT TRAFFIC, BUT HE DOES ADMIT THAT HIS PARISHIONERS TEND TO JUST CROSS THE STREET WHEREVER THEY WANT TO CROSS THE STREET WHEN THEY HAVE AGREEMENTS WITH, UH, GISD TO USE THE HIGH SCHOOL PARKING LOT AND WITH THE, UM, CITY, THE COUNTY COURT BUILDING TO USE THEIR PARKING LOTS ON SUNDAY MORNINGS. AND SO PEOPLE PARK IN THOSE TWO PARKING LOTS AND THEN WALK TO THE CHURCH. BUT INSTEAD OF GOING TO THE CROSSWALK OR GOING TO THE LIGHT, THEY'RE JUST CROSSING THE STREET WHEREVER. AND HE DID ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THAT IS AN ISSUE. SO MAYBE THAT'S WHERE WE, WHERE THAT PART JUST NEED TO ADDRESS THAT THROUGH THE CHURCH ON IF THEY NEED TO. I MEAN, ACROSS WELL AND, AND NOT JAYWALK. AND JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME HISTORICAL CONTEXT, WE HAVE TALKED TO THE CHURCH OVER THE YEARS, I MEAN, OVER THE DECADES IT SEEMS LIKE ABOUT THIS AND ABOUT PARKING. THEY'VE MADE ANNOUNCEMENTS IN CHURCH, UH, MULTIPLE TIMES. THEY'VE HANDED OUT FLYERS. WE'VE, WE'VE PUT FLYERS ON CARS. UM, SO WE, WE, THE EDUCATIONAL PIECE IS THERE. UM, AND IT DOES GET BETTER FOR A WHILE. WE'VE DONE ENFORCEMENT EFFORTS. MOST OF THE COMPLAINTS IS ON PARKING, UH, IN THE PAST. UM, AND SO IT GETS BETTER FOR A WHILE AND IT PROBABLY, WE NEED TO INCREASE ENFORCEMENT AND SEE IF WE CAN CHANGE SOME HABITS. HOPEFULLY IT GETS BETTER AND THEN IT'LL PROBABLY CREEP IN IN ANOTHER COUPLE YEARS AND, AND WE'LL BE ADDRESSING IT AGAIN. BUT, UH, HAVE WE EVER HAD THE FIRE MARSHAL OVER THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S ROOM FOR ALL THOSE PEOPLE? BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW OF THAT ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. I LIKE, I, THE OTHER DAY I WAS LIKE, WHEN DID ALL THESE PEOPLE FIT? BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT, THAT'S ANOTHER WHOLE DIFFERENT THING. THAT'S, THAT'S A, THAT'S A PROPERTY, THAT'S AN OWNED PROPERTY THING. THAT'S A DIFFERENT SITUATION. THE CHURCH HAS ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THEIR PARISHIONERS DO TEND TO CROSS THE STREET WITHOUT GOING TO THE CROSSWALKS TO CROSS. AND THAT THAT IS A PROBLEM. UM, A LOT OF THE PARKING ISSUES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED AND HAVE NOT. UM, AND THE NEIGHBORS ARE HAPPY WITH THE SOLUTION. GOOD. BUT THE ISSUE IS GETTING THEM TO THE HIGH SCHOOL PARKING LOT OR GETTING THEM TO THE, UM, COURT PARKING [00:40:01] LOT AND THEN JUST DISPERSING OUT AND CROSSING STREETS. BUT I DID TALK TO THEM. THEY ARE AWARE OF, I MEAN, THAT IS BEING ADDRESSED, BUT, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, 'CAUSE I TOLD 'EM, I SAID I WASN'T SURE WHAT THE PARKING ISSUE WAS, UM, THAT WAS BEING ADDRESSED FOR THIS MEETING. BUT NO, THAT, THAT IS THE BLATANT WALKING IN FRONT OF VEHICLES AND THEY, THEY CAN SAY THAT THEY'RE ADDRESSING IT ALL DAY LONG, BUT IT LITERALLY HAPPENED AGAIN TO ME ON SUNDAY. LIKE, I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA BE RESPONSIBLE FOR HITTING SOMEONE BECAUSE THEY'RE TOO WHATEVER, TO NOT WALK TO A CROSSWALK. LIKE THERE IS A CROSSWALK THERE AND THERE IS THE CROSSWALK AT THE CORNER. SO, I MEAN, THERE'S, THEY'RE VERY LITTLE. THEY'VE GOTTEN AMPLE PLACES TO WALK AND JUST, I MEAN, THEY DON'T EVEN LOOK BEFORE THEY STEP INTO THE STREET. LIKE IT'S ABSURD THEY'RE DOING THAT. THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T, I MEAN, THEY DO IT. YEAH, THEY DO IT EVERYWHERE. SO A SAFETY THING, LIKE, IT, IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, IT ANYBODY TRYING TO BE MEAN, BUT I DON'T WANT THEM TO GET KILLED, HIT BY A CAR. DON'T CROSS HIS CROSSWALK. SOMETHING HAPPENS. JUST SO BE IT. SO MY RECOMMENDATION HERE IS KINDA THE SAME AS THE PREVIOUS ONE. GIMME ABOUT SIX MONTHS. I'LL PULL SOME RESOURCES, UH, TO SEE IF WE CAN ADDRESS THE ISSUE. IF WE CAN CHANGE SOME HABITS, I'LL ASK THE COMMITTEE, UH, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT LIVE IN THE AREA IN SIX MONTHS, IF YOU'VE SEEN AN IMPROVEMENT, HAVE YOU SEEN THE OFFICERS OUT THERE DOING ENFORCEMENT? AND IF WE CAN HANDLE IT THAT WAY, I THINK THAT'S A PRETTY LOGICAL COLU, UM, APPROACH TO IT. OKAY. OKAY. I WILL MAKE FURTHER CONTACT WITH THE CHURCH SINCE THAT IS IN MY DISTRICT AND EXPLAIN OUR CONCERNS AGAIN. OKAY. FEEL LIKE, UM, LETTING P HANDLE IT AT THIS POINT, YOU KNOW? YEAH. AND WE'LL CONTACT THE CHURCH AND WE'LL LET 'EM KNOW THAT, UM, TO MAKE ANOTHER ANNOUNCEMENT THAT WE'RE GONNA START WRITING TICKETS. SO, UH, JAYWALKING IS A DIFFICULT TICKET TO WRITE. IT'S NOT A SIMPLE TICKET TO WRITE, BUT FAILING TO YIELD TO VEHICLES IS, IS A SIMPLE TICKET TO WRITE. AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'LL BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR A MOTION. OKAY. I MOTION WE PROCEED IN DIRECT REPORTING BACK TO US IN SIX MONTHS. A SECOND. ALRIGHT. THAT IS YOUR UNANIM. AND THIS, THIS ONE IS 4 42. AND WE'RE DONE. AWESOME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.