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YEAH, LET'S GET, LET'S GET, IT'S ABOUT THAT TIME.
[ NOTICE OF MEETING CITY OF GARLAND, TEXAS BOND STUDY COMMITTEE Goldie Locke Community Room of the Charles E. Duckworth Utility Building 217 N. Fifth Street Garland, Texas November 7, 2024 at 6:00 p.m. A meeting of the Bond Study Committee of the City of Garland, Texas will be held on Thursday, November 7, 2024 at 6:00 p.m. at 217 N. Fifth Street, Garland, Texas in the Goldie Locke Community Room of Charles E. Duckworth Utility Building.]
FIVE 20.ALL RIGHT, LADIES AND LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, PLEASE IF I COULD HAVE YOUR ATTENTION, PLEASE.
YEAH, LET'S, UH, CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
IT IS 6:00 PM UH, MY NAME'S JOE THOMAS.
I'M THE CHAIR OF THE BOND COMMITTEE.
I CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER HERE ON NOVEMBER THE SEVENTH AT, UH, 6:00 PM UH, WE DO HAVE A QUORUM TONIGHT.
AND SO OUR FIRST, UH, AGENDA ITEM IS A PUBLIC COMMENTS.
DO WE HAVE ANYONE WISHING TO OFFER PUBLIC COMMENTS TONIGHT? I SEE NONE.
WE WILL ADVANCE ONTO ITEM UH, THREE.
UH, I'VE BEEN ASKED EVERYONE, PLEASE USE YOUR MICROPHONES.
THEY HAD A LITTLE TROUBLE HEARING US LAST WEEK.
UH, SO PLEASE IF YOU'LL SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES AND PLEASE USE THE MICROPHONES.
YOU CAN HELP STAFF QUITE A BIT BY THAT.
ALRIGHT, UM, JUST ON ONE OTHER, UH, PERSONAL NOTE, I'D LIKE TO CONGRATULATE MEMBER JOE HERE FOR HIS ENGAGEMENT LAST WEEK.
HAPPIEST DUDE IN THE WORLD RIGHT NOW.
ALRIGHT, ON ITEM THREE, APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.
UH, YOU SHOULD ALL HAVE A COPY OF THE, UH, OCTOBER 24TH MINUTES IN FRONT OF YOU.
ANY, UM, GIVE US A MINUTE JUST TO LOOK THOSE OVER.
I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, ONE NOTE, UH, NOTICED ON THREE A, IT SAYS THE NORTH STAR FIFTH STREET.
SO, AMEND TO REMOVE STAR AT THREE.
A NORTH STAR FIFTH STREET IS OH YEAH.
ANY OTHER, UH, CORRECTIONS? ALL RIGHT, I'LL HEAR A MOTION TO, UH, ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS CORRECTED.
UH, VICE-CHAIR DUCKWORTH MOVES THAT WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS AMENDED.
DO I HEAR A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND BY JOE HERE.
THE MINUTES AS AMENDED ARE APPROVED.
UM, ITEM FOUR, UH, FOUR, UH, ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION.
UH, FOUR A IS WE WILL ADDRESS QUESTIONS FROM THE OCTOBER 24TH, 2024 MEETING.
UH, IN OUR LAST MEETING, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT, UH, THE COMMUNITY HOSPITAL DISCUSSION ABOUT WHERE INDIVIDUALS ARE GOING.
SINCE WE DO NOT HAVE A COMMUNITY HOSPITAL, WHAT THIS IS FROM FIRE DEPARTMENT ON EMS TRANSPORTS, UH, IT'S NOT EXACTLY EXACTLY WHERE EVERYBODY'S GOING, BUT IT JUST AT LEAST TELLS YOU WHERE OUR
SO THAT TOTAL IS WHAT, FIVE, 6,007 ON TOTAL? THEY PROBABLY AROUND, I'M SURPRISED TO SEE THERE'S NO PARKLANDS ON THERE.
I MEAN, PARKLANDS IS, YEAH, IT'S NOT EVEN THERE.
I WOULD THINK THAT FROM THAT MANY PATIENTS, THERE MIGHT BE SOMEBODY THAT WOULD NEED THE SPECIALIZED CARE THAT THEY HAVE THERE.
UH, MARY MARY BRUBACH, DISTRICT TWO, UM, ONE OF THE
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QUESTIONS I HAVE ABOUT THE AMBULANCE TRANSPORT IS, FOR A WHILE WE WERE, THEY WERE ONLY TAKING THEM TO THE NEAREST PLACE, AND NOW THEY'RE DOING IT BASED ON WHERE YOU REQUEST, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS FACTORED INTO THAT OR NOT.ALL I CAN REPORT IS THE DATA WE WOULD'VE TO GET OUR FIRE CHIEF TO WEIGH IN ON THAT.
BUT FAR AS THE DATA, FOR THE MOST PART, AND THIS LIST DOESN'T COVER EVERY SINGLE TRANSFER.
THE LIST WAS, I THINK, MAYBE 30 DIFFERENT LOCATIONS REPRESENTED FOR YEAR TO DATE FOR THAT.
A LITTLE OVER 200 PER PER DAY.
SO THIS IS THE YEAR, TODAY, 2024 FOR PROBABLY NINE MONTHS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THIS FOR MATT ON THIS CHART? I SEE NONE.
THERE'S ANOTHER QUESTION REGARDING THE RENDERINGS OF THE BROADWAY AND LET HAS PUT THOSE OUT IN THE TEAM FOLDER.
THOSE AREN'T OUT IN THE TEAM FOLDER.
THE RENDERINGS OF THE, NOT BROADWAY, THE BOARDWALK.
THE BOARDWALK RENDERINGS FOR OKAY.
WAS THAT, WAS THAT THE ONLY QUESTION FROM LAST WEEK? OKAY.
UM, NEXT I'VE BEEN ASKED TO, UH, FLIP THE AGENDA.
WE'RE GONNA SKIP TO FOUR C COUNCIL REFERRALS TO THE BOND STUDY COMMITTEE AS OUR NEXT ITEM.
GOOD EVENING COMMITTEE MEMBERS, UH, BEEN A WHILE SINCE I'VE BEEN IN FRONT OF YOU, BUT, UH, I'VE BEEN ATTENDING SOME OF THE MEETINGS.
AND, UH, BEFORE I INTRODUCE THIS NEXT ITEM, I JUST WANT TO SAY, UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE THUS FAR, UH, WORKING THROUGH OUR BOND, UH, POTENTIAL BOND PROGRAM FOR NEXT YEAR.
UH, VERY MUCH LOOKING FORWARD TO, UH, WHAT THE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDS.
AND, UH, WHAT I COME WITH TONIGHT IS A REFERRAL FROM OUR CITY COUNCIL.
AND, UH, IT'S KIND OF LATE IN THE GAME.
THAT'S PROBABLY THE FIRST THING YOU'RE THINKING, LIKE TWO WEEKS AWAY FROM A SETTING OF RECOMMENDATION.
I WANNA PROVIDE SOME BACKGROUND ABOUT THE TIMING OF IT AND ALSO, UH, JUST GIVE AN INTRODUCTION TO THE ITEM, UH, PAYMENT CONDITION STUDY OVERVIEW OF WHAT YOU'RE GONNA HEAR ABOUT TONIGHT.
SO, UM, EARLIER THIS SPRING, UH, OUT OF, UH, OUT OF A DESIRE TO THE STREETS OF GARLAND, UM, STREETS, MEANING LITERALLY STREETS NOT LIKE POLICE OFFICER, KIND OF LIKE, WE NEED TO CLEAN UP OUR STREETS TYPE OF THING.
THIS IS ACTUAL PAVEMENT ON OUR STREETS AND GARLAND IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO OUT OF A, OUT OF A COMMITMENT TO IMPROVE, UH, THE PAVEMENT, UM, NEAR GARLAND, UH, THE CITY STARTED A STREETS ASSESSMENT, UM, WHERE WE HIRED A CONTRACTOR TO DRIVE EVERY STREET IN GARLAND.
UM, AND THEY HAVE TECHNOLOGY THAT YOU'RE HERE ABOUT TONIGHT THAT, UM, BASICALLY ANALYZES ALL THE PAVEMENT ON ALL THE STREETS IN GARLAND AND ASCENSION.
WHAT THAT LEADS TO IS, UM, A PLAN FOR US TO BETTER MANAGE OUR PAVEMENTS, UH, ACROSS THE CITY.
AND SO, UM, KNOWING THAT THAT STREET ASSESSMENT WAS HAPPENING, UH, IN THE SPRING PRESENTED, UH, KIND OF PHASE ONE OF THE, OF THE ASSESSMENT TO CITY COUNCIL IN JUNE, UH, WE GOT THE DATA, SOME MORE DATA OVER THE SUMMER.
AND THEN AT THE OCTOBER 18TH WORK SESSION, UM, STAFF PRESENTED MORE INFORMATION TO CITY COUNCIL KIND OF AS A PHASE TWO.
SO THIS WAS A COMPLETE, UH, PRESENTATION.
YOU'RE GONNA HEAR SOME LITTLE TIDBITS FROM IT TONIGHT.
UH, BASICALLY GIVING SCORES TO ALL OF OUR STREETS AND ALLEYS AND, UH, CITY COUNCIL.
UH, BLESSED TO PLAN, UH, TO SPEND $207 MILLION OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, UH, IMPROVING THE PAVEMENT ON OUR STREETS IN GARLAND.
UM, STREETS ARE A PRIORITY FOR THE CITY COUNCIL, AND I THINK IF YOU WERE TO ASK THE CITIZENS OF GARLAND, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT INFRASTRUCTURE MATTERS MOST TO THEM, THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA SAY STREETS, UH, WATER.
THE SEWERS IMPORTANT, OF COURSE, BUT IT'S KIND OF OUT OF SIGHT AND OUT OF MIND.
EVERYBODY DRIVES ON STREETS AND WE'VE ALL HIT A POTHOLE BEFORE AND, AND SAID CHOICE WORDS AFTERWARDS AND SAID, DONNA CAN, CAN CITY, WHETHER IT'S GARLAND OR WHATEVER CITY YOU'RE IN, UH, DO A BETTER JOB THAN PAVEMENT.
AND SO COUNCIL'S VERY MUCH COMMITTED TO THAT.
AND SO, UM, YOU'RE GONNA HEAR ABOUT TONIGHT FROM OUR STREETS DIRECTOR, UH, TONY, UH, URBAN, ABOUT $207 MILLION.
UH, MATT WATSON IS ALSO GONNA TALK ABOUT,
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UH, WHERE THAT $207 MILLION IS GONNA COME FROM.UM, PART OF THAT IS A HISTORY OF HOW THE CITY HAS MANAGED, UH, THE, THE FUNDING OF STREET PAY OR PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT OVER TIME.
UH, IF YOU REWIND ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO, WE WERE ONLY SAVING ABOUT $10 MILLION A YEAR, IMPROVING OUR STREETS.
AND THE CITY'S LOOKING TO EVEN TAKE THAT TO A HIGHER LEVEL.
AND SO WHY REFER THAT TO THE BOND STUDY COMMITTEE? AND THAT'S WHAT I MOSTLY WANNA TALK ABOUT.
UM, FIRST AND FOREMOST IS THAT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT A BALLOT AND BALLOT HAS BEEN ON EVERYBODY'S MIND THIS WEEK SINCE WE JUST VOTED ON TUESDAY.
UM, FROM A, FROM A CITY MUNICIPAL BONDING AND PROPOSITION STANDPOINT, THE BALLOT, UH, THAT WE PUT IN FRONT OF VOTERS VERY MUCH REPRESENTS A LIST OF PRIORITIES.
AND IT SHOULD BE REFLECTIVE OF WHAT THE PRIORITIES OF THE COMMUNITY ARE.
UM, WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN FOCUSING ON, WHICH IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS VERY MUCH A PRIORITY.
YOU, YOU'VE LEARNED AND UNDERSTOOD AND UNDERSTAND NOW WHAT THE CHALLENGES ARE THAT GARLAND FACE FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE INVEST IN CERTAIN THINGS THAT HELP RETURN, UH, MORE, MORE DOLLARS TO THE CITY, MORE INVESTMENT IN THE COMMUNITY.
BUT AGAIN, GOING BACK TO WHAT WE HEAR FROM THE, WHAT WE HEAR FROM RESIDENTS, THE STREETS ARE A CONTINUED PRIORITY.
AND SO, UH, THIS PAST MONDAY AT OUR WORK SESSION WITH CITY COUNCIL, UH, WE PITCHED THE IDEA OF, UH, POTENTIALLY HAVING THE, UH, THE BOND STUDY COMMITTEE.
UM, AND THAT ANALYZED BASICALLY WHETHER TO PUT THIS $207 MILLION PER STREETS ON THE BALLOT NEXT DAY, ALONG WITH YOUR, YOUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROPOSITIONS THAT YOU'RE STARTING TO SHAPE.
AND THERE'S SOME STRATEGY IN THERE.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE REALLY WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU IN TERMS OF WHAT, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
'CAUSE I'M JUST GONNA PLAY OUT A SCENARIO HERE FOR YOU TO BE THINKING ABOUT WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, TWO OR THREE OR FOUR PROPOSITIONS FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU COME UP WITH.
THEY'RE GONNA BE ON A, ON A BALLOT.
AND THERE'S A STRATEGY BEHIND BEING ABLE TO ALSO TELL THE RESIDENTS OF GARLAND, THE VOTERS OF GARLAND THAT, HEY, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT'S IMPORTANT, BUT RESIDENTS, WE HAVE NOT FORGOTTEN ABOUT STREETS.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA PUT UP HERE PROPOSITION A, AND AGAIN, I'M JUST KIND OF THROWING THIS OUT THERE FOR YOUR, FOR YOUR THOUGHTS, UH, TO SPENDING $207 MILLION ON STREETS AND GETTING THE VOTERS TO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS, THAT YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU READ MY MIND.
UH, STREETS ARE IMPORTANT AND ALL THESE OTHER THINGS ARE IMPORTANT TOO.
AND SO YES, YES, YES, YES, YES.
THANK YOU FOR, YOU KNOW, THINKING ABOUT WHAT'S IMPORTANT FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
SO, AGAIN, THERE'S A STRATEGY THERE THAT I THINK THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE YOUR FEEDBACK ON IN TERMS OF, UH, HOW DOES THIS POTENTIAL STREETS PROPOSITION FIT INTO THE REST OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, PROPOSITIONS THAT ARE GONNA END UP ON THE BALLOT.
SO THAT'S REALLY THE ASK, UH, TONIGHT AFTER YOU GET BRIEFED BY STAFF, IS, UH, DO YOU WANT TO FORWARD, UH, A STREETS PROPOSITION TO COUNCIL PUT ON THE BALLOT? UH, AND IF SO, WHERE DOES IT GO, UH, IN THE MIX OF EVERYTHING ELSE THAT YOU'RE STUDYING? SO, UH, THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE DECIDED TONIGHT.
YOU'RE GONNA HEAR ABOUT IT TONIGHT, OBVIOUSLY, THAT'LL COME FORWARD AS YOU FINALIZE YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
UM, SO, UH, TONY, OUR STREETS DIRECTOR, IS GONNA GO NEXT.
UM, I WILL TELL YOU A COUPLE THINGS.
ONE IS THAT IT'LL BE VERY EASY TO GET LOST IN THE DETAILS OF WHAT TONY IS GOING TO PRESENT, BECAUSE THERE IS, THERE IS A SCIENCE, UH, AND, AND A LOT OF MATH AND ENGINEERING THAT GOES INTO MANAGING PAVEMENT.
UM, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS MANAGING PAVEMENT, NOT TALKING ABOUT COMPLETELY WIDENING STREETS, UH, OR, UH, ADDING SIDEWALKS.
THIS IS A VERY FOCUSED, UH, PROPOSITION THAT WOULD BE HOW WE MANAGE THE PAYMENTS, UH, ACROSS THE CITY.
ANTONIO WILL TELL YOU HOW MUCH PAVE THERE ACTUALLY IS, BUT THERE'S A LOT.
UM, AND THAT'S WHY THE DOLLARS ARE SO BIG.
UM, SO THERE'S, THERE'S THAT PIECE.
DON'T, DON'T GET LOST IN THE DETAILS THERE, THERE WILL BE, YOU KNOW, AS THE CITY MOVES FORWARD WITH THIS $207 MILLION, SOME OF THAT MONEY'S GONNA BE SPENT ACROSS EVERY COUNCIL DISTRICT.
EVERY CORNER OF THE CITY WILL BE TOUCHED IN SOME WAY BY THIS MONEY.
AND SO, UM, WE'RE NOT, WHAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA HEAR IS A LIST OF STREETS THAT ARE GONNA BE IMPROVED.
UM, THAT'S NOT THE LEVEL OF DETAIL THAT EVEN WE GOT TO WITH COUNSELING, UM, THAT THE ANALYTICS BEHIND THIS REALLY DICTATE WHERE WE DO CERTAIN TREATMENTS OF PAVEMENTS.
UM, AND THAT'S WHAT TONY'S GONNA GET INTO.
UH, THE OTHER THING I'LL SAY BEFORE, UH, IT OVER TO TONY IS THAT, UM, LISTEN TO HIS PRESENTATION FIRST AND THEN ASK QUESTIONS.
I WOULD, I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND, AND I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE ALWAYS GOOD TO JUMP IN WITH QUESTIONS, AND
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I DON'T WANT TO DISCOURAGE THAT, BUT, UM, I THINK, UH, PROBABLY BEST TO AFTER HE'S FINISHED WITH HIS, HIS PRESENTATION TO JUMP IN WITH QUESTIONS BECAUSE IT'S PRETTY, PRETTY PACKED AND LOADED AND I'VE TOLD HIM FIVE TO 10 MINUTES AND THAT'S IT.SO WE ARE GONNA KIND OF KEEP YOU AT A HIGH LEVEL WITH THAT.
UM, BUT OF COURSE, ASK QUESTIONS, UM, ESPECIALLY AS IT RELATES TO THE, UH, THE FUNDING MECHANISM.
UM, THIS, I WILL TELL YOU, THE 207 MILLION INCLUDES NOT ONLY WHAT THE CITY COUNCIL HAS ALLOCATED OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, UH, KIND OF WHAT OUR PLAN HAS BEEN FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, BUT IT ADD, UH, WE'RE ADDING A LOT TO THAT AS WELL.
SO, UM, THIS WOULD BE REALLY OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, THE BIGGEST SPEND THE CITY'S EVER MADE ON, ON STREETS.
UM, AND, UH, WE BUILT IN CAPACITY FOR IT AND THE DEBT MODEL, THAT'S WHAT MATT'S GONNA TALK ABOUT.
AND, UH, WE HOPE THAT THIS, THAT WE'RE GONNA BE GIVING ENOUGH INFORMATION TO AGAIN, COME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF, UH, WHETHER TO PUT ANOTHER PROPOSITION ON THE BALLOT FOR THAT, FOR THAT.
SO WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO TONY ALL HERE, MR. CHAIRMAN AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME TODAY.
IF, IF WE COULD HAVE YOUR, UH, FULL NAME AND YOUR POSITION FOR THE RECORD, SIR.
ALRIGHT, WELL THEN WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT, UM, JUST THE ASSETS THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY OF GARLAND, UH, RELATED TO OUR PAV.
UM, GIVE YOU CONTEXT ON WHAT WE'RE AS A STAFF.
WE'LL MOVE INTO THIS, UH, ACRONYM THAT'S CALLED OCI OVERALL CONDITION.
AND THAT THAT IS AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF THIS STUDY AND IT'S, UH, SINGLE, THE MOST IMPORTANT DATA THAT WE USE WHEN IT COMES TO PATIENT MANAGEMENT NATIONWIDE.
WE, UH, THE TIMELINE FOR THE CONSULTING, WE BROUGHT ON BOARD TO PERFORM THIS CONDITION ASSESSMENT FOR US.
THEN WE'LL MOVE INTO THE RESULTS AND SOME OF THOSE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND, UH, TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE FUNDING.
SO IN PAYMENT MANAGEMENT, UM, WE TALK IN TERMS OF CENTERLINE MILES AND LANE MILES, THAT, THAT IS A STYLISTIC SPEED.
AND TYPICALLY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT IN TERMS OF OUR PERFORMANCE.
YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, NETWORK 24, WE CONSTRUCTED 10 LANE MILES OF STREET.
OKAY? OR, UH, OR, UH, WE RECONSTRUCTED, UH, SIX CENTER LINE.
OKAY? SO, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT IT TERMS PERFORMANCE, AND I THOUGHT IT'D BE HELPFUL FOR YOU AS WELL, BECAUSE WE ALSO PRESENT OUR ASSETS IN TERMS OF CENTER LINE MILES AND LANE MILES.
SO THE GRAPHIC DOWN AT THE BOTTOM KIND OF SHOWS, I HOPE IT MAKES SENSE TO YOU.
WHAT WE MEAN BY CENTER LINE MILES AND LANE MILES.
YOU TAKE ONE POINT ON THE STREET, CENTER STREET TO THE NEXT POINT IN THAT DISTANCE MEASURED IN MILES, THAT'S PROBABLY CENTER LINE MILE THAT POINT TO THIS POINT.
YOU MULTIPLY TIMES THE NUMBER OF LANES.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE GRAPHIC HERE, UM, WITH THESE DIFFERENT ASSET TYPES, WE ALSO SOMETIMES REFER TO THESE AS FUNCTIONAL CLASSIFICATIONS.
UM, ARTERIALS WOULD BE IN A CITY YOUR HIGHEST FUNCTIONAL CLASSIFICATION.
THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT CARRY THE MOST TRAFFIC IN THE CITY.
THE RESIDENTIALS, OF COURSE, WOULD BE YOUR LOW LOWEST FUNCTIONAL CLASSIFICATION BECAUSE THEY CARRY THE LOWEST AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC IN THE CITY.
YOU'LL SEE THAT WE ARE MANAGING OVER 1000 CENTER LINE MILES OF, OF PAVEMENT IN THE CITY.
AND THAT DOES INCLUDE THE ALLEYS.
AND THEN, UH, NEARLY 3000 CENTER LINE MILES, I'M SORRY, LANE MILES OF, UM, PAVEMENT IN THE CITY.
SO IT'S A PRETTY ROBUST NETWORK HERE FOR THE CITY OF GARLAND.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT GOES ALONG WITH.
AND ONE OTHER THING I NEED TO, UH, UH, DRAW TO YOUR ATTENTION IS THIS CHART TO THE RIGHT THAT SHOWS, UH, THE DISTRIBUTION BY PERCENTAGE.
AND YOU'LL SEE THAT THE RESIDENTIAL STREETS COMPRISE THE MAJORITY OF THE, WHICH IS PRETTY CUSTOMARY IN.
SO THIS PART IS ALSO REALLY IMPORTANT TO JUST SHOW YOU FROM AN AGING STANDPOINT WHAT, UM, THE STAFF IS HAVING TO CONTEND WITH.
YOU'LL NOTICE THAT WITH BOTH OUR STREETS AND ALLEYS, OVER 70% OF THOSE ACCESS ARE GREATER THAN 30 YEARS OLD.
AND THERE'S A CERTAIN SERVICE LIFE THAT GOES ALONG WITH PAVEMENT.
UM, TYPICALLY WITH CONCRETE PAVEMENT, WE, FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT, WE'LL SAY A CONCRETE PAVEMENT HAS 30 YEARS OF PA, 30 YEARS, 30 OUT THERE, 40
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YEARS OLD, AND IT'S STILL IN SHAPE.UM, AGAIN, THAT 30 YEARS IS JUST FOR DESIGN PURPOSES.
THE FACT THAT OVER 70% OF OUR ASSETS OVER 30 YEARS, AND THAT UNDERSCORES REASON FOR PAYMENT, THIS CHART'S PRETTY SIMPLE, PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD, AND IT REALLY DOES CAPTURE WHAT IN OUR WORLD IT'S TAKING THE RIGHT AND TREATING IT AT.
RIGHT? SO LET'S TALK ABOUT OVERALL CONDITION.
AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS CHART, THIS IS THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT DATA POINT THAT WE USE FOR MAKING DECISIONS ABOUT WHAT STREETS TO TREAT AND AND HOW TO TREAT THEM.
AND THERE ARE MANY DIFFERENT TYPES OF TREATMENTS THAT WE CAN APPLY TO STREETS, AND I'LL COVER THAT ACTUALLY IN ANOTHER SLIDE.
I SOME EXAMPLES OF TREATMENTS.
WE, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT, UH, OVERALL CONDITION WHEN THE STUDY IS DONE, THAT'S A SNAPSHOT TIME.
WE ALL KNOW JUST LIKE THE CAR APPRECIATES ATE OR MATERIAL.
SO IF WE'VE, YOU KNOW, DONE THE STUDY, SAY IN JANUARY, CONTINUING TO DETERIORATE.
SO THE SCORES THAT YOU HERE IN OUR SNAPSHOT, BUT WE HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE IN TERMS DATA REPRESENTS THAT WE'RE GONNA USE TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS HERE, RIGHT HERE SHOWS A GENERAL RANGE OF HOW WE RATE PAVEMENT WHEN WE'RE SPEAKING ABOUT PAVEMENT BEING IN EXCELLENT SHAPE OR FAILED SHAPE, OR GOOD SHAPE, THESE ARE GENERAL RANGES THAT WE ASSOCIATE WITH THOSE DESCRIPTIONS.
UM, IT'S A RULE OF THUMB, IT'S NOT EXACT.
AND SOMETIMES CITIES, DIFFERENT CITIES WILL HAVE DIFFERENT RANGES AND DIFFERENT WAYS THAT THEY'LL DESCRIBE IT, BUT THIS IS GENERALLY WHAT WE USE IN GARLAND.
UM, HISTORICALLY, CITY OF GARLAND HAS BEEN DOING THESE CONDITION ASSESSMENTS IN HOUSE USING IN-HOUSE STAFF, A DESIGNATED PERSON WHO DRIVES ALL THE CITY STREETS.
AND THAT'S BEEN DONE FOR AT LEAST 20 YEARS.
I'VE BEEN WITH THE CITY FOR ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IT'S BEEN DONE FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME AND THAT IS A, A METHOD TO DO IT.
UM, I WORK FOR ANOTHER CITY THAT DID THE WAY, BUT THERE ARE MORE STANDARD METHODS AND MORE CURRENT METHODS.
AND JUDGE TOUCHED ON THE METHODOLOGY.
AND SO THE CITY DECIDED TO HIRE A VENDOR TO REALLY ADVANCE THE WAY THAT WE'RE RATING OUR PAYMENTS AND PERFORMING THESE CONDITION.
UM, SO THE FUNDING WAS APPROVED IN FISCAL YEAR OF 2024.
UM, WE TOOK A LITTLE BIT OF TIME AND STAFF SINCE THIS WAS OUR FIRST TIME SUGGESTING THIS PAYMENT ASSESSMENT USING A VENDOR AND TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THEIR STANDARD METHODOLOGY THAT'S RECOGNIZED ACROSS THE NATION.
SO WE TOOK A COUPLE OF MONTHS, TWO OR THREE MONTHS TO EVALUATE ABOUT FIVE VENDORS TO SEE WHAT THEY WOULD BRING TO THE CITY QUALITY NEEDED A PARTNER TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ROLL OUT ON THE RIGHT TRACK, FIRST TIME IN STANDARDIZED WAY.
SO WE FINISHED UP THAT PILOT IN JANUARY, AND THEN WE INTO THE PROCUREMENT PHASE THAT WE COMPLETED THAT IN MARCH OF THIS YEAR.
AND WITH A NETWORK AS ROBUST AS THESE STUDIES FROM BEGINNING TO END TAKES USUALLY AROUND EIGHT MONTHS, SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS, UM, AS JUDGE PRESENT TO COUNSEL, UM, TWICE BACK IN JUNE AS WELL AS OCTOBER.
AND WHERE WE'RE NOW REALLY WE'RE PACKAGING THE STUDY UP.
SO I TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THOSE TREATMENTS THAT WE TYPICALLY APPLY.
THOSE ARE SHOWN THERE AT THE BOTTOM OF YOUR SPIN THERE.
SO THIS SLIDE REALLY IS TO ILLUSTRATE THOSE DIFFERENT, UH, CONDITIONS THAT WE, UH, SHOWED ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE FROM EXCELLENT DOWN TO FAILED AND WHAT THAT STREET MIGHT LOOK LIKE.
THESE ARE NOT EXACT, YOU'LL NEVER FIND THE STREET THAT MATCHES UP PERFECTLY, BUT PLEASE GIVE YOU A PRETTY GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHAT YOU MIGHT EXPECT TO SEE ON.
AND I'M ALSO SHOWING THOSE AS WELL.
AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A NUMERICAL, UM, WAY TO GRADE.
THE, THE CONCEPT SOUNDS PRETTY SIMPLE, THE ACTUAL EXECUTION A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED.
SO MOVE IN A LITTLE BIT TO THE RESULTS, UM, THAT CAME OUT OF THE STUDY.
YOU'LL SEE HERE THAT, UH, OUR OVERALL NETWORK CONDITION IS RATED A SEVEN.
KEEP IN MIND THAT IS A WEIGHTED AVERAGE IS THAT YOU, YOU DON'T WANT YOUR ALLEYS TO REALLY HAVE MORE
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ARTERIAL STREETS, WHICH HAVE MORE CA SO IT'S NOT AN AVERAGE, IT'S IT'S WEIGHT.OKAY? AND SO I BROKE THIS DOWN BETWEEN THE STREETS AND THE ALLEY PA, YOU'LL SEE THE OVERALL STREET O CIAL RESIDENTIAL 71 AND THE ALLEYS ARE 51.
NOW, YOU MAY BE WONDERING WHY WITH THE ALLEYS BEING SO LOW, WHY IS THE WEIGHTED AVERAGE OF 70? WELL, AGAIN, THAT'S BECAUSE THE ALLEYS ARE USUALLY NINE, 10 FEET WIDE, 12 THE, SO IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY DRAW THE OVERALL.
SO, UM, THAT PUT SET US, IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOP THERE, IN THAT FAIR TO GOOD SHOW AS A TOTAL, I JUST WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, REAFFIRM TO YOU THAT THIS IS A SNAPSHOT.
THE SCENARIO THAT I'M GONNA TO YOU THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
GENERALLY SPEAKING, YOU'LL SEE CITIES REPEAT THIS ENTIRE STUDY PROCESS, UH, BETWEEN THREE AND FIVE YEARS.
UM, OVERALL, I BREAK THAT DOWN BY THOSE TYPES, THOSE FUNCTIONAL CLASSIFICATIONS.
YOU'LL SEE THE MATERIALS FOR THE BENCHMARK, ESSENTIALLY FOR OUR CITY.
UH, YOU NOTICE THE COLLECTORS AND THE INDUSTRIALS ALSO IN THAT 70 RANGE.
SO THAT AIR CATEGORY, UM, NOTICE THE RESIDENTIAL STREETS DOWN A LITTLE BIT, UM, AND REPRESENTING ALMOST HALF OF OUR NETWORK.
AND THEY'RE 60 ALLEY AT A PRETTY LOW SCORE OF 50.
JUST WANNA EMPHASIZE THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A, A CITYWIDE STUDY.
WE'RE LOOKING CITYWIDE SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A TENDENCY, YOU KNOW, TO FOCUS ON, YOU KNOW, A CERTAIN AREA, THESE FOR DECISION.
SO FROM OUR STANDPOINT, LOOKING AT THESE SCORES, UM, AND I'M GONNA GET INTO THIS NEXT SLIDE TO REALLY ILLUSTRATE, UH, THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM STAFF.
THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS YOU COULD APPLY SCENARIO.
WE HAVE A SOFTWARE CONSULTANT AS A SOFTWARE AS A MODELING PIECE IN IT THAT RUNS THESE SCENARIOS TO COME UP WITH FUNDING AND TO COME UP WITH LOCATIONS FOR PROJECTS.
AND THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT SCENARIOS CAN BE RUN.
IT CAN EITHER BE BUDGET BASED, WHERE YOU MIGHT SAY, I HAVE $30 MILLION FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, PLUG THAT IN, TELL ME WHERE MY OC IS GONNA BE.
OKAY? AND THEN WHERE, WHERE SHOULD I APPLY THE FUNDING TO THE ASSETS? THAT'S ONE METHOD.
AND THEN THE OTHER METHOD IS THE TARGET BASE.
I WANT TO ACHIEVE AN 80 OCI ACROSS MY NETWORK.
OKAY? SO THOSE ARE THE TWO WAYS YOU CAN RUN THAT MODEL.
WE DECIDED JUST LOOKING AT THESE, UH, INDIVIDUAL FLOORS THAT WE RECOMMENDED TO USE THE ARTERIALS AS THAT BASELINE AND THEN BRING UP THE INDUSTRIALS AND COLLECTORS UP TO THAT SAME 79, CONSIDERING THAT THE RESIDENTIALS ARE A LITTLE LOWER AND WOULD LIKELY COST A LOT MORE MONEY BECAUSE THERE'S MORE RESIDENTIAL STREETS.
YOU TOOK THE 70 69 AND THEN DECIDED TO BRING THAT UP TO A 75.
YOU'LL SEE THAT ON THE NEXT SLIDE.
UM, WITH THE ALLEYS, BECAUSE THERE SO FAR BEHIND LAGGING IN TERMS OF THE SCORE.
UM, WE TOOK THAT FROM A 51 AND RECOMMENDED RAISING THAT OVERALL SCALE OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS TO 60.
BEFORE I GET TO THAT SLIDE, THAT SHOWS WHAT I JUST SAID.
UH, JUDGE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE FUNDING HERE.
UM, THAT IN 10 YEARS AGO WE WERE COMMITTING $10 MILLION, UH, TO STREET
AND EVEN THEN 2014, THAT DIDN'T GO VERY FAR.
UM, EVEN TODAY IN 2023, EXCUSE ME, FISCAL YEAR IN 2024 THIS YEAR, THE $34 MILLION.
WELL, YEAH, THAT'S THREE TIMES AS MUCH AS WE WERE COMMITTING 10 YEARS AGO WITH JUST THE COST OF, UH, MATERIALS AND INFLATION.
WE ARE MAKING PROGRESS, BUT THERE STILL MORE WORK TO DO.
SO WE OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, COMMEND THE COUNCIL FOR RECOGNIZING.
SO THIS IS THE OVERALL SUMMARY, AND I WANNA FOCUS ON THIS CHART TO GIVE A RECAP OF WHAT I STATED A FEW MINUTES AGO.
UM, THE ARTERIALS BEING AT A 79, WE'RE CLAIMS TO HOLD THAT OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS AT 79.
SO WE'LL TAKE $21 MILLION TO HOLD
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THAT 79 WITH YOUR ART AND WITH THE INDUSTRIAL AND THE COLLECTORS, WE WANT RAISE THOSE POINTS UP TO 79 AS WELL.SO THERE'S A CORRESPONDING COST FOR THOSE TWO FUNCTION CLASSIFICATIONS.
RESIDENTIAL, WE WANT RAISE THAT, THE 69 EXISTING 75 OVER FIVE YEARS POINT INCREASE IN OC.
AND THEN FINALLY THE ALLEYS AN NET NINE POINT INCREASE OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS RAISING THAT.
AND SO MOVING UP TO THE TOP CHART FUNDING TO GET THERE OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
SO THE TOTAL STREETS IS 50 MILLION, THE PRICE TAG.
SO WITH ALL OF THAT, IF WE COMMIT THAT FUNDING OUR NET WEIGHTED OC FIVE, SO THIS SLIDE PRETTY MUCH SHOWS HOW DO WE GET THERE ON THE, SO, UH, THE TOP PART IS REALLY SHOWING WHAT TONY WAS PRESENTED ON TWO 7.3.
ONE KEY THING TO TALK ABOUT IS WHAT HE WAS PRESENTING IS THE CAPITAL NEEDS.
SO PREVIOUSLY THERE WAS A CHART OF THE HISTORICAL OF HOW MUCH MONEY WE'RE PUTTING IN THE STREETS.
KEEP IN MIND THERE IS, YOU KNOW, 14, $15 MILLION JUST MAINTENANCE ACTIVITY THAT HAS TO OCCUR IN THE STREETS.
SO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW IS THE CAPITAL NEEDS THAT WE CAN ISSUE DEBT FOR TO IMPROVE THOSE STREETS.
TO GET THAT OCI SCORE UP CURRENTLY IN OUR DEBT SERVICE REQUIREMENTS.
BUT CURRENTLY PLAN, THIS IS WHAT'S IN OUR CIP AS OF RIGHT NOW.
SO N-R-C-I-P HAS, RIGHT NOW WE'RE PLANNING TO SPEND ABOUT $125.7 MILLION FOR, UH, STREET IMPROVEMENTS.
AND THE ADDITIONAL DEBT REQUIREMENT IS THE AMOUNT WE NEED TO GET TO OH 7.3.
AND TRADITIONALLY HOW WE FIND STREETS IS THROUGH A SHORT TERM DEBT INSTRUMENT CALLED TAX NOTICE.
IF YOU RECALL, IN 2019, WE WENT TO THE VOTERS FOR THE 2019 BOND PROGRAM, REQUESTED A SIX AND A HALF CENT TAX RATE INCREASE TO COVER ALL THE COSTS OF THE 2019 BOND PROGRAM.
WHAT THAT DID IS INFLATE OUR DEBT SERVICE TAX RATE UP.
BUT WE CANNOT ISSUE, WE, WE DO NOT ISSUE ALL OF THE DEBT ASSOCIATED WITH 2019 IMMEDIATELY.
WE ISSUE IT ONCE EXPENDITURES OCCUR.
SO EXPENDITURES OCCUR OVER TIME BECAUSE IT TAKES DESIGN PLANNING, ALL THE THINGS REQUIRED TO GET PROJECTS UP.
AND SO YOU DON'T SEE THAT THAT SERVICE GETS THAT SIX AND A HALF CENT INCREASE UNTIL OVER TIME.
IN THE MEANTIME, WE ISSUE SHORT TERM TAX NOTES TO FUND THIS.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING OVER TIME.
AND SO ONE OF THE BIG QUESTIONS IS HERE, WE'VE DONE THIS STUDY, WE KNOW WE NEED $207.3 MILLION IN 2019, WE ASKED FOR A SIX AND A HALF TAX RATE INCREASE, AND SINCE THEN PROPERTY VALUES SPIKE.
SO IT LOGICALLY MAKES SENSE TO GO BACK TO THE VOTERS AND SAY, DO YOU WANT US TO GET OUR, TO PUT THIS MONEY TOWARDS STREET? AND THAT'S ALSO ANOTHER WAY TO LOOK AT THIS, THE, THE PROPOSITION LANGUAGE, WHETHER OUR PRIORITIES, THIS, THIS WAS OUR, OUR VOTER'S MONEY THAT WE'RE USING THIS FOR.
DO WE HAVE TO GO TO THEM TO DO THIS? NO.
SO WE COULD JUST DO THIS ON OUR OWN BECAUSE INFRASTRUCTURE DOES NOT REQUIRE US TO GO TO THE VOTERS IN THIS CIRCUMSTANCE.
THE MONEY'S BEING GENERATED FROM THAT PROPERTY TAX ENTRANCE.
SO WE KNEW OVER THE SUMMER THAT WE HAD A LOT OF LONG-TERM NEEDS THAT WE HAD TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO FUND.
AND WE HAD A PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, OUR PROPERTY VALUES ARE GOING UP.
SO WHAT WE WANTED TO DO WAS RESERVE CAPACITY UNDER THE CURRENT TAX RATE SO THAT THERE WOULD NOT BE A TAX RATE INCREASE ASSOCIATED WITH THESE LONG TERM NEEDS.
ONE OF 'EM IS THE ED BOND PROGRAM.
WE KNEW WE NEEDED TO DO SOMETHING THERE.
THERE IS A 50% CODE TMRS, WHICH IS CRAZY LANGUAGE TO MEAN WE NEEDED TO RIGHT SIZE OUR PENSION COMPETITIVE IN THE MARKET FOR MOSTLY FOR OUR PUBLIC SAFETY CITY FACILITIES.
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A STREETS FACILITIES ASSESSMENT STUDY DONE FOR VERY SIMILAR REASONS AS THE STREETS.WE WANTED TO KNOW HOW BAD ARE OUR EXISTING FACILITIES.
WE HAVE OVER 200 FACILITIES, A LOT OF THEM ARE OLD, AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE HVAC, THE PLUMBING AND ALL THAT IS, IS GOING TO, TO NOT JUST EXPLODE.
THAT'S ONE DAY COSTING MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
WE, UH, WERE ABLE TO PUT $15 MILLION BASED OFF OF THAT STUDY FROM THAT INTO THAT PLAN, WHICH LEAVES ABOUT $105 MILLION OF CAPACITY UNDER THE EXISTING TAX RATE.
SO I MENTIONED THAT THE CURRENT TAX RATE ALREADY HAD, YOU KNOW, THE DELTA ON, ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE OF 125 MILLION.
SO THE ADDITIONAL NEEDED IS THE 81.6.
AND WE'RE ALSO RESERVING JUST A LITTLE BIT, UH, FOR THE PROPOSED 2025 CIP, WHICH IS ABOUT TO BE, WE'RE IN THE REVIEW OF PROJECTS RIGHT NOW.
AND WHILE WE WANT TO DO THAT IS MOSTLY INFLATION.
WE HAVE SEEN OUR PROJECTS FROM 2019 SKYROCKET.
SO WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO RESERVE CAPACITY TO HIT UP TO MEET THOSE DEMAND.
AND YOU CAN SEE CURRENTLY IN THE CIP WE DO HAVE SOME INFLATION RESERVES OF ABOUT 54 MILLION.
WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT ENOUGH.
AND THE LAST THING WE WANNA DO IS OVEREXTEND OURSELVES.
SO THE GIST OF THIS IS TO SHOW THAT UNDER THE CURRENT TAX RATE, THE 207 MILLION WOULD NOT REQUIRE A TAX RATE INCREASE.
BUT THE QUESTION BECOMES CAN WE PUT 207 MILLION ON THE BALLOT OR DO WE PUT THE AMOUNT WE NEED? AND I THINK IT GOES BACK TO WHAT Y'ALL FEEL FROM A PHILOSOPHY STANDPOINT ON THE VOTER'S APPROVED FOR A SIX AND A HALF CENT TAX RATE INCREASE AND THAT GOT US THIS, AND IT CAN GET US THIS BECAUSE PROPERTY VALUES HAVE GONE UP.
DO WE GO AND PUT THE WHOLE AMOUNT ON THE, ON THE BALLOT TO REAFFIRM THAT THIS IS OUR RESIDENCE HIGHEST PRIORITY? SO WITH THAT, THAT'S A LOT.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME OR TONY, SORRY, EXCUSE ME.
UH, SOME, SOME PROJECTS COULD BE FORCED BY UNDERGROUND UTILITIES THAT HAVE TO BE REPAIRED AND WHICH MAY FORCE THE DESTRUCTION OF A STREET IN ORDER TO DO THAT.
AND I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH OF THAT WOULD BE, UH, UH, GOING ON AT THE SAME TIME.
BUT, YOU KNOW, NEW SEWER LINES AND SEWER LINES AND WATER LINES AND ALL THAT FOR GROWTH, UH, MAY HAVE TO BE DONE ALSO.
AND SO I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, UH, SOME OF THAT WOULD IMPACT OUR BOND FOR, UH, IMPROVEMENTS.
SO YOU MAY ACTUALLY HAVE TO DO, UH, SERVICES AND, AND SPEND STREET MONEY AT A TIME, UH, OTHER THAN YOUR CHOOSING, UH, IF, IF THE PIPES FREEZE AND THE, AND THE THROUGH LINES BREAK AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS LIKE THAT.
I KNOW YOU PROBABLY DON'T HAVE THAT ANSWER RIGHT NOW, BUT, UH, IT'D BE NICE TO SEE SOME PROJECTION OF THAT.
THE OTHER THING IS, IS THAT, UH, IF WE DO A, AN IMPROVEMENT FOR IN, FOR IMPROVING OUR SELLABILITY OF THE CITY, UH, THEN DOING THAT WITH A TERRIBLE STREET IN FRONT OF IT IS GOING TO SEVERELY IMPACT THE STARTUP EFFECT.
UH, PEOPLE WILL, MAYBE THEY MAY LIKE THE IMPROVEMENTS, BUT THEY MAY NOT LIKE GETTING THERE SO THEY DON'T GO.
SO, UH, IS THERE A PLAN FOR COORDINATING THOSE THINGS SUCH THAT YOU WILL DO, DO IMPROVEMENTS IN A TIMELY FASHION TO COORDINATE WITH, UH, IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE ARE WORKING AT FOR OUR BOND? IS THAT PART OF YOUR ONGOING STUDY OR ONGOING PLAN? I CAN SHARE WITH YOU THAT, UM, THERE IS COLLABORATION BETWEEN STREETS AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS ANNUALLY ABOUT WHAT WE'RE PLANNING TO DO AND WHAT MAY BE HAPPENING IN AREA.
LET'S, THE WATER EXAMPLE THERE IS VERY CLOSE COORDINATION WITH THAT DEPARTMENT BEFORE WE ADOPT ANY PLAN ON A MANUAL BASIS TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE NOT GOING INTO, BECAUSE OUR BUSINESS IS STREETS, NOT THE WATER, RIGHT? MAKE
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SURE THAT WE'RE NOT REPLACING A STREET OR DOING ANY OTHER IMPROVEMENTS TO A STREET.AND THE WATER DEPARTMENT MAY HAVE A PLAN FOR SOMETHING THAT'S COMING THE NEXT YEAR.
OKAY? MM-HMM,
AND SO WE'RE VERY CONSCIOUS OF THAT AND, UH, THEREFORE CLOSELY COORDINATING WITH THEM ON THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SIDE.
THERE IS ALSO COORDINATION WITH THAT DEPARTMENT AS WELL FOR THINGS THAT MAY BE COMING.
SOMETIMES THEY DO BRAG ABOUT REACH TO US AS WELL, AND WE DO HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO PIVOT, YOU KNOW, MOVE MAYBE FUNDING THAT WE HAD THAT DESIGNATED FOR ONE PROJECT BECAUSE OF A PRIORITY PROJECT.
WELL, THAT WOULD BE THAT THE COORDINATION WOULD BE REALLY GOOD.
I LIVED IN ARIZONA FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS AROUND THE PHOENIX AREA AND THERE WAS, SO THE GROWTH WAS GROWING SO FAST IN THAT AREA AT THE TIME THAT THEY WOULD PAVE NEW STREETS AND, AND GET 'EM GOING.
AND THEN SIX MONTHS LATER THEY WOULD DIG A TRENCH DOWN THE LINK TO THE STREET AND PUT IN A MAJOR TOUR LINE AND THEY NEVER SEEMED TO MATCH UP THE HEIGHT OF THE REPAIR WITH THE ORIGINAL STREET HEIGHT.
SO YOU WERE DRIVING LIKE THIS WHEN YOU GOT ON THE STREET.
SO THAT SEEMED NOT VERY SMART TO ME, UH, WITH A LITTLE COORDINATION THAT COULD BE EASILY CORRECTED.
SO, UH, JUST SO YOUR GUARD WAS PRETTY GOOD ABOUT COORDINATING THINGS, SO I, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU GUYS GUYS WERE THAT WAY.
UM, IF I COULD, UH, UH, THE, UH, YOU TALKED ABOUT ALLEYS.
UH, I KNOW WE HAVE A NUMBER OF MILES OF UNPAVED ALLEYS.
DOES ANY OF THAT FIT INTO THIS? NO.
SO, SO CRYSTAL
UM, SO THERE IS A TERM THAT GARLAND HAS BEEN USING FOR, I GUESS SEVERAL YEARS.
AND IT'S THAT UNPAVED ALLEYS, REALISTICALLY IN THE CITY OF GARLAND, THERE ARE VERY FEW ALLEYS THAT ARE UNPAVED.
WHAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO ARE ACTUALLY UTILITY EASEMENTS.
AND THERE'S NOT A PLAN TO CONTINUE TO BE BETWEEN TWO THREE UTILITY EASEMENTS CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT OUR CURRENT INFRASTRUCTURE IS ON 130 YEAR, WE'RE 130 YEAR REPLACEMENT CYCLE RIGHT NOW FOR OUR ALLEYS BASED ON CURRENT FUNDING.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? OKAY.
JUST WANTED TO SEE IF THAT WAS PART OF THE INDEX OR WE DID THAT.
ANYTHING THAT, SO I CAN WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT CENTURY FOR MINE.
WELL, TONY, COULD YOU, UH, TONY, TORI SOME, UH, DISTRICT EIGHT, UH, GIVE US DEFINITION OF THE, UH, NOMENCLATURE FOR THE STREETS, THE COLLECTORS AND ET CETERA, ARTERIAL, AND YEAH, MAYBE THE BEST WAY TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION WOULD BE CONSIDER IDENTIFY A STREET THAT WOULD FALL IN THAT CLASSIFICATION.
A COLLECTOR, I PROBABLY SHOULD DONE THAT.
A COLLECTOR WOULD BE LIKE, UH, SATURN ROAD OR WALNUT STREET.
UM, KEEP IN MIND I I REFERENC IT RELATED TO TRAFFIC VOLUMES.
UM, BUT YEAH, IT WOULD BE ONE, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU MIGHT SEE A COLLECTOR BEING A TWO LANE THAT HAS A CENTER TURN LANE.
YOU MIGHT ALSO SEE A COLLECTOR THAT HAS MAYBE FOUR LANES WITH NO RAISED LEAK.
UM, AND I THINK WALNUT STREET AND SATURN ROAD WOULD BE EXAMPLE, COLLECTOR STREET, THE ARTERIALS THAT WOULD CENTER ROAD, ROAD MULTI LANE FACILITIES THAT USUALLY HAVE A PROVIDER.
UH, THESE WOULD ALL BE FOR REPAIRS OR UPGRADES.
THIS IS NOT FOR ANY NEW PAYMENTS, CORRECT? CORRECT.
IT, IT WOULD BE A FULL RECONSTRUCTION AS LIKE THE, THE BIGGEST CHARACTER, BIGGEST SCOPE OF WORK WOULD BE A FULL RECONSTRUCTION.
AND THEN THE LOW AS CHARACTER OF WORK WOULD BE LIKE CEILING CRAFTS A OKAY.
JUST, UH, AN OBSERVATION OR A COMMENT.
UM, FROM A, UH, SALES PITCH PERSPECTIVE AS FAR AS
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THE, UH, BOND COMMITTEE AND CITY COUNCIL FOR THAT MATTER, JUST HAVING WITH ADDITIONAL FUNDS IN THERE FOR THE STREETS WILL GO A LONG WAY TO GETTING THAT SUPPORT FROM THE TAXPAYERS.SO AS I MENTIONED SEVERAL TIMES, THEY'RE STILL WAITING ON THEIR STREETS FROM THE 2019, UH, BOND PACKAGE.
AND, UH, WHICH IS A LEGITIMATE QUESTION.
SO BY MAKING A POINT THAT, UH, WE HAVE INFUSED ADDITIONAL FUNDS, UH, INTO THE BOND PACKAGE, UH, OR THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ADDITIONAL, UH, USE OF, UH, FUNDS THAT THIS MIGHT, UH, AGAIN PUSH US OVER ANY, UH, CREDIBILITY ISSUES WITH THE, WITH THE COMMUNITY.
SO, UH, ONE, UH, OTHER QUESTION.
OKAY, THIS IS, UH, CIP MONEY, WE'RE TRANSFERRING IN.
IF THE BOND FAIL, IT DOESN'T WORK, UH, DOESN'T GET APPROVAL, DO THE, DOES THE FUNDING GO BACK TO, UH, THE CIP? YEAH, MORE THAN LIKELY WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS, UH, IF IF THIS FELLS THE STREETS FELL, THIS, THIS BECOMES FAIRLY EASY TO TAKE CARE OF.
NOW WE WOULD HAVE TO DO SOME SHUFFLING, SHUFFLING AROUND TO MEET THIS REQUIREMENT HERE ON THIS AMOUNT.
BUT IN OUR EARLY ANALYSIS, WE FEEL THAT WE CAN JUST MOVE IT BACK.
GO BACK TO SHORT TERM TAX NOTES.
UP TO NOW, THE, THAT MONEY CIP HAS NOT BEEN ENCUMBERED BY THE CITY? NO.
MA, COULD YOU GIVE US A COMPARISON OF THE BUCK OF USING CIP MONEY AND BOND MONEY? UH, I ASSUME WE'RE GONNA DO BOTH OF THESE IN FIVE YEARS AND, AND WE WILL REPAY THE MONEY WE BORROW IN FIVE YEARS RISK TWITCH THAN LIKELY ON THIS.
IF THE DEAL WOULD DEPEND ON, WE'LL HAVE TO WORK WITH TONY, DEPEND ON THE USE RELIABLE OF THE ASSETS.
SO IT COULD BE 20 YEARS FOR A 20 YEAR RECONSTRUCTION.
IT COULD BE 18, IT COULD BE 10.
SO IF WE DID UNDER C-P-C-I-P THOUGH, WE SPEND THAT MUCH A YEAR.
HOW, HOW LONG DOES IT, OKAY, THE 25 TO 29.9, WHAT'S THE TERM OF THE TAX NOTES THAT YOU'LL BORROW? SIX MONTHS AND WE'LL PAY THAT BACK IN SIX MONTHS ON A SHORT TERM TAX WITH CIP NOW SIX MONTHS.
SO THEORETICALLY WITH THE CIP WE'LL PAY THE 125 MILLION BACK WITHIN THE FIVE YEAR PERIOD.
BUT WITH THE, IF CONTINUE TO USE SHORT TERM TAX, RIGHT NOW, OUR STRATEGY IS IF THIS GOES IN FRONT OF THE VOTERS AND GETS APPROVED, RIGHT, THERE WILL STILL BE SOME TAX NO CAPACITY.
TO THINGS WORK SHORT TERM TAX NOTE MAKES MORE SENSE FROM A FINANCING STANDPOINT.
USUALLY WANT TO PUT OUT YOUR AMORTIZATION SCHEDULE TO THE USEFUL LIFE OF THE ASSET.
PUTTING A TAX NOTE FOR A STREET THAT LAST 20 YEARS IS, IS GREAT FROM, UH, GETTING IT DONE AND OFF YOUR BOOKS, BUT REALLY ON THE SHORT TERM TAX, YOU SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THINGS THAT HAVE SHORTER USEFUL LIVES.
IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THAT, WHICH WE DO THAT FINE FOR FIVE YEARS AND BE BETTER TO, ESPECIALLY IN THIS MARKET, UTILIZE TAX NOTES FOR A FIRE TRUCK.
UH, OTHER EXAMPLES WITH FACILITIES UPGRADES, WE TALKED ABOUT THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
AND IT'S COMPARABLE TO BUYING A HOME AND DOING IT ON 15 YEARS OR A 30 YEAR PAY RIGHT BILL? UH, IT'S GONNA COST A LITTLE MORE LONGER TO GO, BUT YOU HAVE MORE SPENDABLE INCOME DUE TO THE TERM CORRECT.
SO, AND WE'RE MARKET IT, THE MARKET IS RIGHT NOW, DON'T WANT GET TOO MUCH IN THE MARKET.
SO, BUT, UH, WHERE THE MARKET IS RIGHT NOW, AS Y'ALL PROBABLY HEARD THE TERM INVERTED YIELD CURVES.
THE, THE SHORTER, THE SHORTER LIFE LIFE CYCLE OF AN AMORTIZATION, LIKE ONE THROUGH FIVE YEARS AND OUT TO 20 YEARS, THERE IS HARDLY ANY DIFFERENCE RIGHT NOW.
IT'S WHAT'S CALLED INVERTED YIELD.
THE SHORT TERM IS HIGHER THAN LONG TERM.
SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS YOU'RE BACK BASICALLY ON A STREET, IF YOU BORROW IT OVER 20 YEARS WITH TIME VALUE OF MONEY, YOU'RE PROBABLY GETTING THE BIGGEST BANG FOR YOUR BUCK BY STRETCHING THAT OUT.
I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO ALL UNDERSTAND THIS AS A PART OF THIS SALES, UH, THEORY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TO THE CITIZENS THAT, UH, THEY GET IMMEDIATE IMPROVEMENTS WITH A LONG STRETCHED OUT PAYMENT THAT IT'S NOT GONNA COST THEM A LOT MORE THAN THE SHORT TERM.
ONE OTHER QUESTION, UH, THAT HE BOUGHT UP IN THE, UH, ALLEYS, UH, WHERE I LIVE, THE ALLEYS ARE PROBABLY WAS PUT IN IN THE
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SEVENTIES AND IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, MY ALLEY IS CONCRETE.IT'S A GOOD ALLEY, BUT THEY'VE HAD TO CUT IT TO DO SEWER REPAIRS.
SO HIS QUESTION OR CONCERN ABOUT ARE LOOKING AT THE STUDY, SOME OF THESE OLDER AREAS, WE PROBABLY NEED TO PUT OR THINK ABOUT DOING THE SEWER REPLACEMENT SO WE DON'T HAVE TO COME IN AND LIKE YOU SAID, IN SIX MONTHS, START CUTTING THAT ALLEY UP TO REPLACE A STOPPED UP SEWER LINE.
SO THERE'S SOME SCIENCE PROBABLY TO THAT.
YEAH, WE CERTAINLY ON SEWER NECESSARILY REPAIR UN.
I'M JUST THINKING SOME OF THESE AREAS WHERE YOU'RE GOING INTO A COMMUNITY TO REDO AN ALLEY, THERE SHOULD BE SOME, I WOULD, SOME INVESTIGATION ON THAT.
IT MIGHT COST A LITTLE MORE, BUT IT'S A LOT CHEAPER THAN TEARING THAT ALLEY UP.
WHAT WOULD OCCUR THERE IS THERE'S DEFINITELY ORGANIZATIONS IN THE STREETS, WATER AND SEWER C WATER AND WASTE WATER SECTION THAT THERE'S COORDINATIONS STREETS BEHIND STREET REPAIRS DO TO ENSURE BEFORE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SEWER LINES ARE REPLACED, ROADWAY GOES ON TOP.
WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EMERGENCIES, LIKE A BROKEN WATER LINE THAT WAS MENTIONED.
WATER DEPARTMENT TYPICALLY WILL JUST FUND FOR THE REPLACEMENT OF THAT, OF THAT SECTION OF THE STREET BECAUSE THEY, THEY DID THE DAMAGE.
UM, SO WHICH OF THOSE NUMBERS ARE WE EXPECTING TO, IF WE DID MOVE THIS FORWARD TO ACTUALLY BE ON THE BOND PROPOSAL? THE 2 0 7 OR THE 81 OR IT, IT, IT REALLY IS COMES DOWN TO A QUESTION ON WHICH I WANNA PRESENT BACK TO COUNSEL.
UH, OUR RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL IS THE TWO 7.3 FOR ALL THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT SHOW, BUT THIS IS OUR HIGHEST PRIORITY SHOW THAT YOU RAISE YOUR TAX RATE, YOU'RE GONNA GIVE MORE STREET FUNDS.
UH, BUT THERE IS, THERE'S SOME PEOPLE THAT, WELL, YOU ALREADY HAVE THAT PROGRAM IN OUR C DELTA, OUR RECOMMENDATION 7.3.
UM, AND THEN HOW DOES THAT AFFECT THE ONE 50 THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT FOR OUR BIGGER BOND PROGRAM? BECAUSE AGAIN, WE HAVE THE CAPACITY TO ISSUE FOR THIS.
SO YOU ADD TWO 7.3, WE'LL GET INTO THAT LATER WHEN WE START TRYING TO DISSECT ON WHAT YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS WOULD BE.
SO THEORETICALLY WE'RE LOOKING AT THREE 50.
SO KIM, KIM FROM DISTRICT FOUR.
SO IF THIS DOESN'T GET APPROVED, WHAT IS THE TIMELINE TO GET ALL OF THIS WORK DONE? UH, THE TIMELINE WOULD NOT CHANGE, WOULD NOT CHANGE OTHER THAN WE WOULD'VE TO, UH, DO SOME CHANGING AROUND THE CIP TO BRING THIS UP.
SO WE'RE STILL, THIS IS, I, I CAN'T COME UP WITH THIS.
SO FIVE YEARS IS WHAT THE TIMELINE IS.
FIVE YEARS, THE TIMELINE AND WHO'S GONNA DO ALL THIS WORK?
UM, WE WILL NEED TO RELY ON OUR CONTRACTOR PARTNERS, UM, TO ASSIST WITH THIS.
WE WILL HAVE DESIGN CONSULTANTS THAT ARE ALSO PARTNERS, BUT WE ALSO HAVE INDUSTRY DEPARTMENT OF SOME HOUSE RESOURCES THAT CAN DO, FOR EXAMPLE, ASPHALT, OVERLAYS, CRACK SEAL, AND ALSO SOME RESIDENTIAL STREET RECONSTRUCTIONS.
SO IT'LL BE A COMBINATION OF CONTRACTOR APARTMENTS AS WELL AS, SO THINGS CAN BE GOING ON SIMULTANEOUSLY.
SO, UH, LET ME, LET ME ASK ONE AND THEN MARY, SO MATT, THIS IS CIP MONEY NOW, BUT ARE WE SAYING WE'RE GONNA PUT IT ON THE BALLOT AND WITH A LINK AND CALL IT BOND MONEY TO FOOL THE VOTERS? WHAT, WHAT IS THIS? HELP ME UNDERSTAND THIS.
UH, IT'S NOT ABOUT FOOLING THE VOTERS TO ME, IT'S ABOUT GOING BACK AND REAFFIRMING THAT THIS IS THEIR HIGHEST PRIORITY.
WE HAVE PLUGGED THIS INTO THE CIP BASED OFF OF WHAT HAPPENED INTO THE 2019 BOND PROGRAM.
THIS PORTION, WE ASKED THE VOTERS TO INCREASE THE TAX RATE SIX AND A HALF CENTS.
SINCE THE TAX BASE HAS GROWN SUBSTANTIALLY, IT ONLY MAKES SENSE SINCE THEY, THEY GAVE US THE AUTHORITY TO GIVE US THAT TAX RATE TO GO BACK TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN GET THIS DONE.
SO THIS WOULD BE A SEPARATE SECTION ON THE BALLOT, SEPARATE FROM THE BOND STUFF, WHATEVER PROPERTY.
USUALLY IT'S PROPOSITION A, B, C, D, THIS COULD BE PROPOSITION A, STREETS AND OUT IMPROVEMENTS, PROPOSITION B, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROPOSITION C, SO AND SO.
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WHICH IS OUR NEXT BIG TASK AFTER THIS ON DETERMINING PROPOSITIONS THAT Y'ALL WANT PROPOSE BACK TO CITY COUNCIL.THERE'S A CERTAIN PSYCHOLOGY IN THIS THAT I'M KIND OF, UM, DELIGHTED BY.
IF WE SAY TO OUR VOTERS, WE'VE HEARD YOU AND INDEED THE STREET IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE SUCKS OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT, UM, WE'RE GOING TO GET TO IT WITHIN THE FIVE YEARS TO DO THESE IMPROVEMENTS.
AND IT'S THE FIRST THING YOU SEE IS AN IMMEDIATE SENSE OF THAT BEING A PRIORITY.
AND I, I THINK THAT'S THE PSYCHOLOGY THAT'S GOING INTO PLACE HERE.
IT'S NOT TECHNICALLY A PART OF THE BOND AT ALL BECAUSE A BOND IS THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PART.
BUT THIS IS SAYING WE WANT YOUR APPROVAL AS VOTERS TO USE FUNDING WE ALREADY HAVE ACCESS TO FOR THIS PURPOSE.
BUT IT ALSO SAYS TO THE CITY THAT'S VOTING, WE HEARD YOU PUTTING MONEY BEHIND IT, AND IF YOU AGREE TO THIS, THAT HAPPENS.
AND THEN THE REST OF IT CAN HAPPEN ALSO.
SO YOU START WITH A PLUS AND BY THE TIME THEY GET DOWN TO THE END OF ALL THE PROPOSITIONS, THEY'RE STILL FEELING GOOD.
IS THAT ABOUT WHAT I'M HEARING? CORRECT.
AND THEN TONY, SORRY, DID WE HAVE A, OH, I DIDN'T SEE RICKY.
UM, I GUESS THAT'S A LOT THAT EVEN I'M STRUGGLING TO UNDERSTAND, UH, EVEN GETTING THE WHOLE PRESENTATION THAT I JUST, I'M AFRAID THAT WHEN THAT WINDS UP ON THE BALLOT, PEOPLE SEE 350 MILLION AND GO, YEAH, I WANT MY STREETS DONE, BUT X EVERYTHING ELSE.
UH, LIKE I, I, I FEEL LIKE THAT IS TO, TO THE AVERAGE VOTER WHO'S NOT GOING TO UNDERSTAND ALL THAT SHUFFLING AROUND.
MAYBE I'M MISUNDERSTANDING, BUT MAYBE IF I, IF I COULD RESPOND, LINDSAY, I THINK IT'S GOING TO TAKE POSITIONING THIS PIECE AS A USE OF FUNDS THAT ARE ALREADY AVAILABLE, BUT IT'S ALSO LETTING THE, THE PUBLIC SAY, YES, THIS IS SOMETHING WE WANT TO DO, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO IMPACT THE, THE INDEBTEDNESS THAT GOES INTO THE, THE, UM, BOND.
RIGHT? BUT I'M JUST WORRIED ABOUT THE AVERAGE PERSON GOING TO VOTE, UNDERSTANDING ALL OF THAT.
WELL, YOU, THIS ONE'S FREE AND THE OTHER ONES AREN'T.
BUT DO THEY SEE THAT WHEN THEY'RE WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO WORK ON.
BUT IT'S A REAL, IT IS A REAL ISSUE.
UH, RICKY, UH, RICKY MCNEIL, D ONE, JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS, TONY AND, UH, AND MATT, ARE, IS THIS JUST PAVEMENT NO EQUIPMENT IN ANY EQUIPMENT CONSIDERATIONS FOR DOING WHEN WE DO THINGS IN HOUSE WITH THE, IN, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE CON CONTRACTORS? UM, EVIDENCE, ACTUAL PAVE.
AND THEN SECONDLY, ANY BRIDGES THAT WE NEED TO COORDINATE WITH COUNTY THAT'S INVOLVED IN THE COLLECTORS OR TER OR IS THIS JUST STRICTLY CITY STREETS? CITY.
OKAY, A COUPLE OF, A COUPLE OF FOLLOW UP FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS.
UH, 19, IN THE 2019 PROJECT, WE, UH, GOT THE VOTERS TO APPROVE $122 MILLION BACK THEN.
SO NOW WE WERE COMING UP ANOTHER 207.
THIS IS EAR EARMARKED BY THE COUNCIL AND THEIR REFERRAL TO US, RIGHT? SO WE'LL HAVE TO EMPHASIZE THE POINT THAT THIS IS STRICTLY FOR STREETS AND THEN WHATEVER VERBIAGE WE WANNA USE, CATCH UP WITH, UH, INFLATION OR CONSTRUCTION COST OR WHATEVER.
SO IF WE GO WITH THIS AS A BOND COMMITTEE, IT'S GOING TO BE AS A SEPARATE, UH, BALLOT, SO TO SPEAK.
GOING BACK TO, UH, MARY'S OBSERVATION HERE, I MEAN, YEAH, IT'S, UH, UH, IN SOME CIRCLES, UH, I GUESS IN CONGRESS THERE'S A CONCEPT OF A POISON PILL, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU ATTACH WRITER.
AND SO WE WERE WITH THAT POINT, BUT, UH, WE STILL AS A, AS A BOND COMMITTEE, ARE STILL TIED INTO THE ONE 50 OKAY.
WE DECIDE TO GO WITH THE, UH, REFERRAL, THE TRANSFER OF WHATEVER FROM THE CITY COUNCIL.
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OR NO.WE CAN'T PLAY WITH THE, WITH THE FUNDS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
WE CAN'T SAY, WELL, WE COULD USE IT OVER HERE.
UM, BUT, UH, AGAIN, IF WE WANNA PUSH THIS, IT'LL BE A, UM, BIG PLUG WHAT FOR SUPPORT.
OKAY, TIM, UM, ANOTHER QUESTION KIND OF ALONG WAY, TONY WAS TALKING ABOUT THIS IS NOT PART OF OUR, OUR 150 MILLION THAT WE GOTTA DECIDE ON, BUT IT, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT MAY AFFECT THE OVERALL PRODUCTION OF NEW THINGS AND IMPROVEMENTS IN THE CITY OF GARLAND THAT COULD AFFECT WHERE WE, WHERE WE STAND.
UH, IF THE 81 MILLION THAT YOU GOT FROM THE GROWTH OF, OF PROPERTY TAXES IS DEDICATED TO THIS STREET, WHICH YOU CAN DO RIGHT NOW, UH, IT WOULD, TO ME IT WOULD SEEM POINTLESS TO, UH, WAKE A SLEEPING HORSE AND, AND JUST CHARGE ON.
AND THEN YOU ALWAYS SEND OUT NOTICES IN THE, THE BILLS EVERY MONTH.
YOU CAN MAKE A BIG SPLASH OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING IN THAT POINT.
AND, AND YOU CAN GET THEM THE, I MEAN, THAT'S MORE EFFECTIVE THAN HAVING THEM WAIT TO THE NEXT ELECTION AND THEN WONDER WHAT THE HECK THEY'RE DOING.
AND YOU COULD SELL THAT STORY REAL EASILY IN THE, IN THE MONTHLY BILL.
SO MY, I WOULD KIND OF THINK TWICE ABOUT TRYING TO WAKE THE SLEEPING HORSE, JUST LET THE SLEEPING HORSE LIE, BUT WAKE HIM WHEN HE IS NEEDED.
SO I, I THINK I, I'M KIND OF UNDERSTANDING WHAT LINDSAY IS SAYING.
BASICALLY, WHEN A VOTER SEES THIS MONEY ON THE YOU ON THE BALLOT, WHAT'S TO KEEP THEM FROM SAYING, I JUST APPROVED X NUMBER MILLION DOLLARS FOR STREETS BACK IN 2019.
WHY AM I APPROVING 207 MORE AND MY STREETS STILL NOT FIXED, OR THAT STREET SUPPOSED TO NOT FIXED? AND SO PERHAPS WE CAN FIX THAT WITH LANGUAGE AND THE BALLOT, BUT I THINK IT'S MORE A TERM, UH, UH, A MATTER OF YOU TRYING TO GET DIFFERENT TYPE OF FINANCING, UH, LONG TERM VERSUS SHORT TERM.
TO HELP EASE THE BURDEN OVER A PERIOD OF YEARS.
AND SO IF WE LEAN TOWARD THAT IN OUR VERBIAGE, I THINK, AND LET THEM KNOW THAT THIS IS ALREADY HAS BEEN APPROVED PREVIOUSLY, I THINK THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN THAT.
I'M NOT SURE I'M, THAT'S JUST AN IDEA, SO I BE HAPPY TO HEAR THAT.
SO, SO I CAN ADD THOUSAND 19 ON THE STREETS.
WHAT, WHAT THE STREET'S PROPOSITION LOOK LIKE IN 19, NOT TOTALLY DIFFERENT STREETS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THIS IS.
THIS IS IMPROVING THE ROADWAYS AND RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND OUR ROADWAYS.
MOST THE 2019 BOND PROGRAMS WERE MAJOR ROADWAYS, LIKE MAIN SCHOOL ROADS, SHILOH ROAD, THOSE WERE LIKE HUGE, HUGE REQUESTS.
SO THERE WERE 50 MILLION PLUS PROJECTS.
SO, SO THIS IS US TELLING THE VOTERS, WE'VE ALREADY RAISED YOUR TAXES AND BECAUSE YOUR PROPERTY VALUE HAS GONE UP, WE, WE'VE SEEN ADDITIONAL MONEY THAT WE COULD NEVER COULD HAVE ANTICIPATED IN 2019.
WE WANNA SPIN THIS ON STREETS.
ARE YOU GOOD WITH THAT? IS TO, TO IS REALLY WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS THE LANGUAGE WOULD BE OKAY FANCIER THAN THAT, BUT IT'S KIND OF LETTING THEM RECONFIRM THAT THEY WANT MORE MONEY SPENT ON STREETS.
UH, JOE VERO, UH, DISTRICT TWO, UH, PARDON ANY IGNORANCE OR NAIVETE? IT'S MY FIRST REALLY FORAY INTO CITY PLANNING, BUT UH, FROM THE CONCERNS I HEAR FROM TONY AND OTHERS IS THAT THERE'S A PERCEPTION THAT THE MONEY THAT WENT FOR THE STREETS IN THE 2019 BOND, UH, HAVE NOT MANIFESTED IN A WAY THAT'S SATISFYING TO THE, UH, TO THE VOTER, BASIC VOTER FOR IT.
IS THAT CORRECT, TONY? I DON'T WANNA PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH.
WELL, AND, AND AGAIN, A LOT OF IT HAS, SO WITH COVID AND COST OF EVERYTHING AT THAT TIME, THEY, WE KIND OF, I GUESS UNDERESTIMATED THE, BUT IT'S A FAIR SUMMATION OF YOUR POINT, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH.
BUT, UH, WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, UH, YOU GUYS HERE IS THAT THAT FUNDING, THE 2019 BILL WAS ALLOCATED IN THE WAYS IT WAS OR ORIGINALLY PROPOSED, LIKE MAJOR ROADWAYS
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AND SUCH, RIGHT? SO I GUESS THINKING AS A POTENTIAL VOTER ON THIS, OR IF I WAS JUST NOT A PART OF THIS, UH, BOND COMMITTEE, UH, IT WOULD MOSTLY BE A SUPER POSITIVE THING WHERE I'M JUST FOCUSING ON THOSE SUCCESSES AND JUST A LANGUAGE OF, OKAY, WE DID SUCCEED.THE 2019 MONEY WAS ALLOCATED IN THE WAY WE PROMISED, LET'S EXPAND IT INTO YOUR AREAS NOW.
RIGHT? 'CAUSE I THINK IF THAT PERCEPTION IS THE THING WE NEED TO JUST REFOCUS ON WHERE THAT ORIGINAL 2019 BOND MONEY WENT TO.
UH, AGAIN, SORRY IF THAT'S NOT KNOWLEDGEABLE ON THE 2019 BOND.
I WAS A SOPHOMORE IN COLLEGE AT THE TIME, SO, UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
WHO ELSE YOU WANNA TALK? YEAH.
UM, TONY TORRES AGAIN ATE, UH, JUST A COUPLE OF FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS.
UH, THE, WE'VE BOTH GOTTEN OUR PROPERTY TAX BILLS BY NOW AND, UH, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S HAPPY WITH, WITH, UH, THE PROPERTY TAXES.
SO THIS, UH, AND GOING BACK TO, UH, MATT'S OBSERVATION THAT BECAUSE OF THE PROPERTY VALUES HAVING GONE UP THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, THERE'S BEEN A WINDFALL, SO TO SPEAK, IN TERMS OF REVENUE FOR THE CITY.
UM, THIS MIGHT BE SOMETHING AT, UH, THE REVERSE, WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S REVERSE ECOLOGY, BUT THEY, UH, UH, WE FEEL YOUR PAIN AND, UH, PART OF THAT PAIN WILL NOT BE CONVERTED INTO MORE RESOURCES DEDICATED TO THE STREET THAT, UH, WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET TO.
AND ONE, ONE OTHER QUESTION IS, WE, WE, WE DON'T HAVE THE DILEMMA OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WHERE, UH, INDIVIDUALLY DIFFERENT PROPS.
THIS ONE, WE APPROVE THIS ONE BE DISAPPROVED.
IT'S THE, IT'S, UH, ALL OR NONE IN OUR CASE, RIGHT? NO.
IT WOULD BE A BALLOT ONE AND THEN THERE'S A BOND.
UH, YEAH, YOU'LL, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL SEE STREETS PROPOSITION A AND GUN DEVELOPMENT PROPOSITION B, SO ON AND SO ON.
SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT THERE MIGHT, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS WOULD SAY YES, WE'RE GOOD WITH THE, WITH THE BALLOT, UH, ON THE, ON THE STREETS, EVERYTHING ELSE, NO.
BOB DUCKWORTH FURTHER CLARIFICATION BY PUTTING THIS ON THE BOND PROGRAM, DOES IT NOT, I THINK I SEE THE HANDWRITING ON THE WALL HERE.
HARD LOOSEN UP ADDITIONAL MONIES TO DO THINGS THAT WE NEED OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, BECAUSE WE WON'T BE DOING IT OUT OF CIP.
WE'LL BE DOING IT WITH BOND ISSUED MONEY, WELL GIVE MORE MONEY, MAKE AVAILABLE, MORE MONEY AVAILABLE FROM OUR TAX BASE.
AND I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO EXPLAIN.
GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY THE RIGHT SIZE OF RIGHT.
OR IN ESSENCE, WE COULD DO ANOTHER 125 MILLION IN STREETS OUT OF CIP.
HE'S GONNA GET AWAY FROM THAT.
I KNOW, BUT IF YOU PUT IN, IN BOND, IT'S NOT A CIP, IT'S NOT A TAX NOTE.
GIVE THE CHOICE, PUT IT IN THERE.
SO IS IN THAT, UH, DONUT, I THINK Y'ALL REFER TO, IS THAT ALMOST A BILLION DOLLARS? IS THAT KIND OF WHERE OUR TAX BASE IS NOW? THAT'S THE MOST WE CAN BORROW UNDER ANY TERMINOLOGY.
SO THAT'LL HAVE TO GO UP BEFORE WE COULD GENERATE, AGAIN, A CORRECT A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLAR BOND, 20% NEXT YEAR.
BUT BASED ON CURRENT ECONOMIC CONDITIONS, WE FILL THAT SLOW DOWN.
JUST TO, TO PIGGY BACK INTO WHAT, WHAT MARY SHARED EARLIER REGARDING THE, THE EMOTIONAL SIDE OF THIS, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE FEEL WHEN WE DRIVE THROUGH GARLAND, BUT WHEN YOU DRIVE DOWN 66, YOU SEE DIRT TURNING VILLE PARK.
RIGHT? WHEN YOU DRIVE DOWN FOREST LANE, YOU SEE A NEW POLICE AND PROPERTY ROOM.
SO YOU SEE THE DEVELOPMENT OCCURRING.
AND SO WHAT WE'RE SEEING NOW IS WE INVESTING MORE INTERNAL, WITH THE RESIDENTIAL AREA TO SUPPORT ALL OF THAT.
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GONNA TO GO ONLINE WITH TWO NEW SCHOOLS.SO WE SEE ALL THIS POSITIVITY GOING IN.
IT IS UP TO US, WHATEVER NAYSAYERS THAT MAY BE OUT THERE TO SAY, HEY, DO WE WANT TO KEEP PACE WITH EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S GOING? WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CITY, WE HAVE NEW HOUSING COMING ON AT EVERY LEVEL, AND WE HAVE ALL THESE THINGS THAT ARE POSITIVE.
OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN ALWAYS HAVE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT, THAT, THAT'S A NAYSAYER, BUT YOU CAN'T ARGUE WITH THE FACT THAT YOU SEE IT IF YOU GO INTO A SCHOOL, YOU GO THROUGH SAFETY PROTOCOLS WHEN YOU GO INTO, UH, AGAIN, WHEN YOU DRESS DRIVING THROUGH, LOOKING AT DOWNTOWN, WHAT WE DID WITH LEE ANN RIMES, RIGHT? SO THE EVIDENCE IS THERE THAT THE CITY IS HOLDING UP THEIR OBLIGATION.
AND SO WE'RE JUST IN FROM A RESIDENTIAL PERSPECTIVE, DO WE WANT TO GO TO OUR RESIDENCE TO SAY, HEY, LOOK, CAN WE INVEST MORE AT A, AT A MORE GRANULAR LEVEL? THAT'S WHAT REALLY I THINK WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO DO.
ANYBODY ELSE FOR THESE GENTLEMEN? OKAY.
DID WE MORPH INTO COST AND PRIORITIZATION THERE? ARE YOU ALREADY OR ARE WE ALL HERE? WE, ONE MORE.
OH, ONE MORE COUNCIL REFERRAL.
MANAGING DIRECTOR OF, SO, UM, YES, WE HAVE ONE MORE REFERRAL FROM COUNCIL.
COUNCIL ASKED US TO, UM, PROGRAM SPECIFICALLY.
UM, THERE'S A PROGRAM I'LL TALK ABOUT FROM, I DUNNO IF I'M SAYING IT CORRECTLY, UH, NEW YORK THAT SHE WAS FAMILIAR WITH.
THERE'S SIMILAR PROGRAMS IN OTHER AREAS IN COUNTRY.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE SOME OTHER COMMON SENATE PROGRAMS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, AT THE SAME TIME.
SO, UM, I WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE ALL OF THOSE AND, AND TO SAY THAT THEY'RE ALL ON THE TABLE AND THEY RANGE FROM, UM, ON THE SMALLER SCALE, WHAT WE WOULD CALL LIKE A BLOCK CHALLENGE GRANT.
IF YOU WATCH SOMETHING LIKE A CURB APPEAL SHOW WHERE YOU GO IN AND YOU TRY TO DO, BASICALLY YOU CURB APPEAL IMPROVEMENTS TO A WHOLE LOT HOME IN THE SMALL AMOUNT AREAS, VISUAL IMPACT, THAT'S THE KIND OF THING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THERE.
UM, THE PROGRAMS THAT, UM, ARE IN THIS BLOCK CHALLENGE GRANT EXAMPLE, REQUIRE A MINIMUM PERCENTAGE OF THE RESIDENTS IN A, IN A DEFINED AREA PARTICIPATE.
SO THE INCENTIVE IS THAT THEY GET, YOU KNOW, IF THEY GIVE MINIMUM NUMBER OF PARTICIPANTS IN, THEY'RE ELIGIBLE FOR THIS GRANT AND THEY GET SOME ACTION.
UM, ANOTHER TYPE OF PROGRAM THAT WE LOOKED AT WOULD BE MORE TARGETED TO A SPECIFIC AREA THAT NEEDS, YOU KNOW, REVITALIZATION.
UH, THINK OF NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THE HOUSING STOCK ITSELF IS, UH, VERY, IT'S AGING.
IT'S NOT, UM, IT DOESN'T OFFER THE AMENITIES THAT TODAY'S CONSUMER WANTS.
AND SO THIS WOULD BE MORE OF A TARGETED PROGRAM TO ACTUALLY GO IN AND MAKE SOME OF THOSE BIGGER UPGRADES INTO A HOME.
AND THEN ON THE, THE BIGGER END IS A PROGRAM, AND I'M SORRY, RICHARDSON HAS A PROGRAM SIMILAR TO THAT, UM, HOW UPGRADE.
AND THEN ON THE FAR END OF THE SPECTRUM IS A DEMOLITION REBUILD PROGRAM.
FARMERS, POSSIBLY CARROLLTON, UM, WOULD HAVE A PROGRAM LIKE THIS WHERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A COST TO GO IN AND TEAR ON SOMETHING BEFORE YOU BUILD SOMETHING NEW.
AND MARKET IS REALLY ONLY GONNA TURN TO YOU WHAT THE NEW BUILD IS WORTH.
IT'S NOT GONNA RETURN TO YOU THE COST THAT YOU, AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE PREMISE ON, UM, SO THERE'S A RANGE OF, UM, OPPORTUNITY HERE.
UM, THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE THAT WE PULLED TOGETHER, UM, ON THOSE COLLECTIVE APPEAL GRANT.
UM, PLEASE DO NOT INTO THESE NUMBERS AS THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE WE PULLED FROM, FROM SOME OTHER CITIES.
UM, AND I DUNNO HOW ALL THOSE NUMBERS ARE SO I CAN DATE IT.
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THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF HOW A BLACK TOWN GRANT MIGHT WORK.AND THEN, UM, WHERE WE GO FROM HERE ON THIS IDEA.
SO ACTUALLY TODAY, UH, WE HAD AN AN RQ THAT CLOSED.
I HAVE NOT EVEN LOOKED AT THE BID YET, BUT WE HAVE, UM, WE GOT TO INITIATE A HOUSING NEIGHBORHOOD PART OF THAT CITY'S MANDATE.
UM, BUT THE OTHER PART IS THAT I THINK FOR THE FIRST TIME, UH, THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA LOOK AT THE COLLECTIVE COMPREHENSIVE HOUSING MARKET ENVIRONMENT, NOT JUST AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
UM, AND SO AS A RESULT OF THAT, THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT WE INTEND TO ACCOMPLISH THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
WE'RE GONNA STUDY GARLAND'S HOUSING MARKET AND HOW IT PERFORMS LOCALLY AND REGIONALLY.
UM, WE'RE GONNA IDENTIFY ANY MARKET GAPS THAT EXIST THERE, WHAT REHABILITATION NEEDS THERE MAY BE, UM, WITHIN PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND THEN RECOMMEND WHAT THIS MENU OF HOUSING INCENTIVE PROGRAMS SHOULD BE.
BECAUSE NOT EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD IS THE SAME.
THEY DON'T HAVE THE SAME NEEDS.
SO I'M BRINGING YOU SORT OF A RANGE OF, UM, OPTIONS OF WHAT A HOUSING DEPENDEN PROGRAM COULD BE.
IF YOU ASKED ME TO PREDICT, I WOULD SAY PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE ONE.
IT WOULD PROBABLY BE OF PROGRAMS THAT MAY BE RELEVANT TO DIFFERENT PARTY.
UM, SO I, RIGHT NOW WE'RE, THIS REQUEST IS VERY SCALABLE.
UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THERE'S GONNA HAVE TO BE SOME DECISION ON HOW MANY TARGETS THE SIZE OF THAT.
AND THOSE DETAILS ARE GONNA COME OUTTA THIS, THIS
HOW IS THAT RELATED TO THE BOND PROGRAM? SO FALL UNDER NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY.
AND SO DOES THAT CHANGE THE NUMBER THAT WE'RE PROPOSING FOR NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY? THIS WOULD BE, YES.
THIS WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL REQUEST ON TOP IS IN THERE TO CONTINUE THE PROGRAMS WE ALREADY HAVE.
SO DOESN'T THAT MEAN THAT THE 150 MILLION BANG FOR THE BUCK CHANGES THEN IF YOU WANT TO ADD MONEY FOR THIS? UH, I THINK THE KEY IS SCALABLE.
WHEN WE GET INTO LOOKING A PROPOSITION.
WE TALKED ABOUT REVITALIZATION, NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY.
THERE'S ALSO, UH, SEVERAL OTHER PROGRAMS THAT SHE, THAT SHE RUNS THAT IS UTILIZING CASH FUNDS FROM OUR GENERAL FUND.
UH, SO IT'S REALLY, IN MY OPINION, IT IS JUST THE CONCEPT OF ADDING THIS INTO THE PROPOSITION LANGUAGES.
IF YOU WANNA ADD MORE MONEY, WE'VE GOTTA TAKE THEM SOMEWHERE ELSE.
WE'RE MESSING WITH OUR 150 MILLION.
THEY'RE DONATING THEIR SALARIES.
WHAT? 200 BUCKS? THIS WOULD HAVE TO COME OUT ONE OF THE PROPOSITIONS.
OTHER QUESTIONS FOR BECKY? SORRY.
YEAH, TIM CAMPBELL REPRESENTING DISTRICT FOUR.
WE WERE DISTRICT ONE, BUT, UH, THERE'S A NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT OVER HERE ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE COLLEGE FACILITIES.
I DON'T REMEMBER THE NUMBER OF IT.
THERE WAS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF COORDINATING STREETS AND A VITALITY PROGRAM ON THE VERY FIRST STREET OVER THERE.
IT, THEY REBUILT THAT STREET AND IT WAS A, A SMOOTH, ATTRACTIVE, NEW CONCRETE STREET.
AND IT SEEMED LIKE EVERYBODY ON THE STREET REPAINTED.
THEY RE TRIMED, THEY MOWED THEIR LAWNS, THEY CUT DOWN TRASH, GOT RID OF STUBBY, UH, UH, BAD LOTS JUNK.
CLEANED IT UP AND IT LOOKED BEAUTIFUL.
AND THESE WERE OLD HOUSES, BUT YOU GO THE NEXT STREET, OVER THE STREET WAS OFF ROUGH AND PITTED AND NOT DONE.
AND EVERYBODY DIDN'T HAVE ANY INTEREST IN UPGRADING THEIR HOUSES.
SO IF YOU WANT TO REALLY GET COORDINATED TO DO THAT IN LINE WITH THE STREETS, YOU PROBABLY PROBABLY CAN GET THE EFFECT OF DOUBLE YOUR MONEY IF YOU COORDINATE THOSE AND, AND OFFER THE, THE IMPROVEMENT
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PACKAGE, UH, ALONG WITH THE NEW STREET THAT THEY'RE GOING TO, OR THE REPAIRED STREET THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GET.THAT MIGHT WORK REALLY, REALLY WELL.
SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD ONE TO LOOK AT.
LINDSEY AND THEN TONY LINDSEY.
UM, I, I MEAN, IT DOES KIND OF REMIND ME BACK TO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO ATTRACT BUSINESSES.
WE'RE TRYING TO ATTRACT POTENTIALLY A HOSPITAL, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PLACES FOR THESE PEOPLE TO LIVE.
AND SO IF WE WANNA HAVE NICER NEIGHBORHOODS AND WE WANT THESE PEOPLE TO LIVE HERE, WE WANT THIS WORKFORCE.
THEY WANT NICE PLACES TO LIVE.
SO I, I DO SEE THIS AS PRETTY IMPORTANT.
TONY, UM, JUST, UH, TONY TORRE, AGAIN, A FOLLOW UP TO, UH, MR. CAMPBELL'S COMMENTS HERE ABOUT, UH, IMPROVING THE, UH, STREETS AND, UH, THE FALLOUT FROM THAT BEING, UH, INCREASED PRIDE IN THE OWNERSHIP OF, OF THE PROPERTY, OF THE HOUSE AND UPGRADING IT SO FORTH.
A QUESTION I HAVE IS, UH, IS THERE A CORRELATION BETWEEN, UH, UH, OWNERSHIP OF THE HOME AS OPPOSED TO RENTAL PROPERTIES? I, I WOULD, I WOULD HATE TO SPEND MONEY ON STREETS WHERE 90% OF THE PROPERTIES THERE ARE RENTAL PROPERTIES AND THEY COULD CARE LESS.
AND THIS IS BECOMING AN ISSUE HERE IN GARLAND AS I LAST, I, I CHECKED ABOUT A THIRD OF ALL THE HOUSES IN GARLAND ARE RENTAL PROPERTIES NOW.
SO THAT CONCEPT MAY HAVE LEFT A LONG TIME AGO.
SO AGAIN, THIS IS A MATTER, AGAIN, OF RESEARCH AND ENSURING THAT, UH, THERE IS GOING TO BE SOME PRIDE ON THE PART OF THE, UH, PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE SUPPOSED TO, UH, THE OWNER LIVING IN PAN ANCHORAGE, ALASKA, OR WHEREVER THEY, WHEREVER THEY LIVE.
BUT THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY IS IN DALLAS, YOU KNOW, BUT THEY'RE IN SINGAPORE AND EVERYWHERE ELSE.
AND LINDSEY, UH, JUST IN RESPONSE TO THAT, I FEEL LIKE PEOPLE LIVING IN RENTAL PROPERTIES DESERVE NICER PROPERTIES AND MAY BE MORE INCLINED TO TAKE CARE OF THEM WHEN THEY HAVE NICER THINGS.
VERSUS IF YOU MOVE INTO, YOU KNOW, IF IT LOOKS LIKE A SLUM, WHY BOTHER? THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHT.
WHAT, WHAT I'M SAYING IS, I, FROM MY EXPERIENCE WITH THE APPEAL REVIEW BOARD WITH THE, I HAVE SEEN THE GOOD, BAD AND UGLY OF PROPERTY.
I'M, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT HEARING, I SAID, WHERE I ACTUALLY ASKED THE INVESTOR, DOES ANYBODY ACTUALLY LIVE THERE? OH, YEAH, YEAH.
AND, AND SO I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.
I'M NOT SAYING EVERYBODY'S LIKE THAT, BUT IT BECOMING A, UH, URBAN, WELL, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? UH, KRISTEN LUCIDO.
UM, SO I GUESS THE QUESTION ADDED TO THAT IS, I HADN'T THOUGHT ABOUT THE RENTAL PROPERTY.
I MEAN, WOULD PEOPLE WHO OWN HOUSES AND RENT THEM OUT BE ELIGIBLE FOR THE PROGRAM? BECAUSE I MEAN, TO LINDSAY'S POINT, YOU KNOW, WHOEVER'S GONNA LIVE THERE WOULD APPRECIATE A NICER PROPERTY.
SO WOULD THAT, WOULD IT NEED TO BE A HOMEOWNER OR COULD IT BE A PROPERTY OWNER WHO, WHO RENTS THE PROPERTY? SO, I MEAN, ULTIMATELY THAT WOULD BE A POLICY DECISION FOR, I WOULD TELL YOU THAT THE CITY HAS HAD, YOU KNOW, A VARIETY OF PROGRAMS OVER YEARS.
SOME ARE ONLY FOR OWNER OCCUPIED, OTHERS ARE FOR RENTAL.
THERE'S CERTAINLY TWO SCHOOLS OF THOUGHT ON THAT IF YOU LIVE IN AN OWNER OCCUPIED HOUSE AND RENTAL NEXT TO YOU.
UM, BUT WE ALSO, YOU KNOW, THAT RENTAL IS A BUSINESS.
AND SO THERE, THERE'S DEFINITELY, UM, A LOT TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THERE.
I I CAN TELL YOU THE PROGRAM THAT I'M AWARE OF THAT WE HAD, THAT'S OPEN TO RENTALS AS WELL AS OWNER OCCUPIED, LESS THAN 10% OF THE PARTICIPANTS IN THAT PROGRAM
SO THE MAJORITY OF THE FUNDING GOES, UM, BY TESTING WITHOUT US CONVENING TO, TO, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL, EVERY YEAR THEY MAKE REPORT BACK ON THAT.
EVERY YEAR YOU TELL THEM WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE FUNDS ARE GOING TO RENTAL PROPERTIES.
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IF THEY FELT LIKE THAT WAS GETTING, YOU KNOW, UM, OUTTA LINE AND THEY MIGHT COME IN AND CHANGE THEIR POLICY.BUT YOU DON'T HAVE INVESTORS CLAMORING TO GET AT THESE FUNDS.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE PERFECTLY HAPPY TO LET THE PAINT PEEL AND NOT SPEND MONEY IN A GENERAL RULE CHIP, UH, CHIP PEL, DO WE HAVE ANY KIND OF NUMBER FOR THIS KIND OF PROGRAM THAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT? 'CAUSE WE'RE JUST, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS.
WHAT KIND OF IMPACT, IF WE PUT THIS AMOUNT, WILL GIVE ANY KIND OF IMPACT? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT A, I DON'T HAVE ANY NUMBER SIDES WHAT KIND OF IMPACT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS? WELL, UH, THE DIFFICULT ANSWER IS, YOU KNOW, DEPENDS ON WHICH OF THOSE PROGRAMS YOU PICK.
HOW MUCH OF THE CITY WANT IMPACT, RIGHT? SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THOSE ANSWERS RIGHT NOW OUT THERE, BUT OUT THERE.
BUT I WOULD SAY I WOULDN'T, YOU HAVE TO ALSO THINK ABOUT THE ADMINISTRATIVE BURDEN OF WHAT, WHAT WE'RE DOING.
IT, IT'S KIND OF LATE IN THE GAME TO BE BRINGING A NEBULOUS KIND OF, COULD BE A BIG PACKAGE OR A BIG PART OF OUR NUMBER.
IT MIGHT BE THAT WHAT, WHAT, UM, MATT SAID IS THE BEST WAY TO THINK ABOUT IT.
THE POINT IS TO WRITE THE PROPOSITION IN SUCH A WAY THAT THIS IS A COVERED ACTIVITY, UHHUH
BUT WOULD, AND, YOU KNOW, BUT IF WE, IF WE MOVE FROM MONEY FROM ONE OF OUR PRIORITIES TO THIS AND WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, I THINK WHAT MATT'S SAYING IS YOU HAVE THE OPTION TO ACKNOWLEDGE THIS AS A COVERED ACTIVITY WITHOUT ADDING MONEY TO IT.
UM, I, I WOULDN'T SEE ROLLING A PROGRAM OUT FOR LESS THAN THREE MINUTES.
ESPECIALLY SINCE THIS IS ASSOCIATED WITH DEBT.
SMALLER THINGS, UH, YOU KNOW, ISSUING, I'M NOT GONNA ISSUE DEBT FOR A THOUSAND.
NO, THAT'S, THAT'S KIND LIKE SOME BALLPARK SOMETHING.
THERE'S A POLICY DECISIONS THAT HAVE TO GET MADE IN THIS.
OUR, OUR OPERATING FUNDS SIMILAR PROGRAMS THAT ARE ROUTE, YOU KNOW, WE GOTTA RESEARCH ON HOW, WHAT WE THINK THE, UH, AMOUNTS OF INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE BECOMING.
BUT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THIS IS A PROGRAM THAT FROM A FEASIBILITY STUDY, STUDIES SHOWS THAT YOU PUT $3 MILLION INTO, THERE'S GONNA BE A BIG BANG IN THE BUG IN OTHER, WHAT WE SAW UP NORTH.
SO MAYBE WRITING IN THE LANGUAGE IN THAT IT GIVES COUNSEL WITH LATITUDE THAT THAT BECOMES THE CASE.
THAT WE, THROUGH STUDIES, IT SHOWS THAT THIS IS THE BEST BANG FOR OUR BUCK.
BUT IT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST MY COMMENT.
I, I CAN TELL YOU WHEN I'M NUMBERS I'M RUNNING OR ANYWHERE FROM LIKE THREE TO SEVEN.
WHEN WE, WHEN WE AUTHORIZED, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY SIX YEARS AGO, IT WAS A MILLION A YEAR FOR SIX YEARS OR SEVEN YEARS.
AND DID, DID WE, HAVE WE GONE THROUGH ALL THAT? DO YOU KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THAT? WE WILL EXHAUST THAT IN 2026.
WHO'S NEXT? WHO HAD ANOTHER LINDSEY? UH, UM, SO THESE ARE, IT SOUNDS LIKE THESE ARE MORE, UM, AESTHETIC IMPROVEMENTS, SOME FUNCTIONAL BASED ON THE PROGRAM.
IT DEPENDS ON WHICH OF THOSE OPTIONS.
SO, UM, I I, I'M JUST TRYING TO, 'CAUSE I'M AWARE OF THE, THERE'S A, UM, THE EMERGENCY, UH, REPAIR PROGRAM.
THIS IS DIFFERENT, RIGHT? THIS IS AESTHETICS.
THIS IS MORE THE, THE AMENITIES OF THE HOME.
AND THIS IS JUST HERE DOWN SOUTH.
UM, WHICH MIGHT BE GOOD FOR TARGETING OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS THAT MIGHT NEED, WE DO HAVE SOME NEIGHBORHOODS WITH HOUSES THAT ARE 800 STREET.
THAT MOST PEOPLE AREN'T LOOKING FOR AT THIS POINT.
CAN I HAVE AN EXAMPLE OF THAT REAL QUICK? SOMEBODY MENTIONED THE FIRST STREET OVER ACROSS FROM, UM, DALLAS COLLEGE.
THERE'S ACTUALLY A, A HOUSE THREE HOUSES IN THAT WAS A COMPLETE DEMO AND REBUILD.
YOU CAN SEE IT FROM GLENBROOK.
AND IT'S AN EXAMPLE OF THAT THIRD ONE DOWN THERE AT THE BOTTOM.
AND THEY BASICALLY TOOK ONE, ONE THOSE SMALLER WORKFORCE HOUSES, TOOK IT DOWN, PUT ANOTHER ONE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF IT.
UH, I HAD A, MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD SOMETHING, BUT THIS IS JUST A GENERAL KIND OF FACELIFT TO EVERYWHERE IN GARLAND, OR ARE WE FOCUSING
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ON SPECIFIC AREAS OR? I, I HAVE, I'M SORRY.I HAVE TO SAY THAT'S YET TO BE DETERMINED.
WELL, I CAN TELL YOU THOUGH, I THINK IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE DOING A PROGRAM IN THIS SPACE RIGHT HERE, IT'S DEFINITELY A DOWN PROGRAM.
MOST LIKELY IF WE'RE USING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BONDS FOR A PROGRAM, IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE IN THE TARGET AREA.
UM, SO THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS YOU CAN DO THAT.
WELL, UM, EVERY YEAR NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY IS WORKING IN WHERE THE HEART IS AREA THAT'S A BOUNDED YEAH.
AND WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS HOUSING WHILE WE'RE THERE.
RIGHT NOW OUR, OUR EMPHASIS IS ON, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE AND NEIGHBORHOOD AMENITIES.
THIS WOULD ALLOW US TO ADD PRIVATE PROPERTY IMPROVEMENT FOCUS TO WHERE THE HEART IS AREA.
UM, THERE MAY BE SOME OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS ADJACENT TO SOME OTHER REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT AND THERE'S A REASON TO NEED TO BRING HOUSING UP IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD TO SUPPORT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GOALS FOR THE AREAS.
SO THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER EXAMPLE WHERE YOU, UM, CREATE A BOUND AREA AND USE, UM, YOU BASICALLY
WELL THAT LEADS INTO MY LIKE SECOND THING THAT MIGHT BRIDGE SOME CONCERNS THAT DIFFERENT PARTIES HERE HAVE.
UH, LINDSEY, I I KNOW YOU'VE BROUGHT UP, UH, CENTERVILLE AND YOUR, I KNOW YOU LIVE AROUND THAT AREA AND YOU'D LIKE TO, TO HAVE A LOT OF, UH, A LOT OF CHANGES, A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION.
IT HAS, IT NEEDS A LOT OF LOVE.
UH, MAYBE THAT COULD BE AN AREA WE COULD START LOOKING AT.
I, I KNOW WE'VE LARGELY TALKED ABOUT LIKE THE HARBOR POINT AREA NOW, AND, AND I KNOW LINDSAY, WHAT ARE YOUR CONCERNS WAS WE'RE NOT REALLY FOCUSING ON, UH, AREA THAT YOU REALLY CARE ABOUT, THAT YOU REALLY HAVE A LOT OF PRIDE IN.
MAYBE THIS CAN BE A WAY OF BRIDGING THAT GAP AND, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE PARTIES HERE CAN KIND OF GET THEIR, UH, THEIR INTEREST MET AND WE COULD ALL COME AWAY WITH A LITTLE BIT OF SOMETHING.
UH, I THINK THAT COULD BE A NICE, NICE THING FOR THE CENTER POINT.
UH, THE, THE CENTER AREA WHICH, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS.
UH, AS SOMEONE WHO, YOU KNOW, USED TO TEACH THERE, I THINK IT COULD REALLY USE A LITTLE BIT OF LOVE.
AND I KNOW THAT THE PEOPLE THERE HAVE A LOT OF POTENTIAL FOR PRIDE IN THAT AREA IF, UH, HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, HELP, UH, HAVING SOMETHING TO BE PROUD OF.
SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING I THOUGHT MIGHT BE A GOOD SUGGESTION.
SO YOU'RE, SO YOU'RE THINKING THAT EVEN IF WE, IF WE STAYED WITH THE 7 MILLION, WHAT WE SAID, THESE THINGS NOW ALSO QUALIFY AS COULD COME OUT OF THE OMB BUCKET THAT ARE, THAT CURRENTLY DON'T QUALIFY TODAY.
'CAUSE I, I CAN'T DO ANY OF THAT TODAY WITH OMB MONEY.
I, WHAT I WOULD SAY TO THAT IS JUST LIKE THE EXERCISE WE'RE GOING THROUGH, WE WOULD'VE TO GO THROUGH THAT SAME, AND WE WOULD HAVE TO SAY, WELL, IF WE'RE OUT THAT 7 MILLION, WE'RE GONNA PICK UP HOME IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM INCENTIVE OUTTA THAT MONEY AND SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE CURRENTLY DO WOULD'VE TO TO FALL.
UM, BUT I THINK WHAT THIS DOES IS GIVES YOU THAT OPTION AS, AS WE GO THROUGH.
IF, IF YOU DON'T ADD, ANYWAY, MAYOR, ONE OTHER OBSERVATION FROM THE WORK THAT I'M DOING WITH THE DALLAS HOUSING COALITION THAT WE HELPED PUT TOGETHER AND GOT THE 82 MILLION IN THE BOND THAT IN DALLAS, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE CAN THINK ABOUT DOING HERE IS WHEN WE INVEST IN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT RAISE THE, UM, VIABILITY OF THE HOME, STABILIZE THE SITUATION, STOP THE BROKEN WINDOW THING THAT CAN OFTEN HAPPEN, YOU END UP WITH A KIND OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT IS FELT AT THE ABSOLUTE CORE LEVEL, WHICH IS, I'M IN A HOUSE THAT I LIKE TO GO HOME TO.
AND THEN THERE'S THE OTHER PIECE THAT SAYS, THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WILL REMAIN STABLE.
SO IT'S AN INVESTMENT, BUT IT'S A DIFFERENT KIND OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE YOU END UP WITH PEOPLE THAT ARE ABLE TO GET THEIR HOUSES FIXED WITHOUT BREAKING THE BANK AT THE SAME TIME THEY HAVE MORE DISCRETIONARY FUNDS THAT CAN BE USED FOR OTHER THINGS.
AND THEN YOU END UP WITH AN AREA LIKE THE CENTERVILLE AREA THAT ACTS AS A PLACE YOU WANT TO LIVE IN.
SO IT'S JUST, UM, WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT IT IN SEVERAL WAYS AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS BECAUSE IT IS AN INVESTMENT IN OUR PEOPLE AND WHERE THEY LIVE.
AND THE OTHER THING IT DOES, AND I'M, I'M WATCHING THIS VERY CAREFULLY, EVEN ON A NATIONAL SCALE, IS THE ABILITY TO PRESERVE THE WEALTH THAT EXISTS IN THOSE HOMES CREATES A STABLE ENVIRONMENT FOR EVERYTHING FROM GOING TO COLLEGE TO GETTING CARS OR WHATEVER ELSE BECAUSE YOU HAVE EQUITY AND YOU'RE NOT LOSING IT BECAUSE THE PLACE IS DETERIORATED.
SO IT'S JUST, IT'S ANOTHER PIECE OF THE PUZZLE.
AND THAT'S A LECTURE FOR TODAY.
MICKEY, COULD YOU GET RUN THROUGH THOSE THREE TARGET OR TYPES? WOULD THE FIRST ONE BE
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A GRANT OR WOULD WE GIVE A HOMEOWNER X DOLLARS TO BRING THAT HOME UP? SECOND AREA? IS THAT WHERE WE WOULD BUY THE STOCK OUT AND REBUILD AND THE THIRD AREA WAYS TO DO IT, BUT I'LL DO MY BEST.SO, UM, THE FIRST EXAMPLE IS PROBABLY GONNA BE A MATCHING GRANT.
IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE ON THE SMALLER END.
IT WOULD DEFINITELY BE, IT COULD BE AS LOW AS, I WOULD SAY 3000 PER HOUSE AS HIGH AS MAYBE 10.
JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU WANNA ENABLE SOMEBODY TO DO.
UM, TO GIVE YOU SOME, AND YOU SAID MATCH MATCHING.
IF YOU, IF YOU OWN A FRAME HOUSE, OKAY.
IF YOU OWN OWN A FRAME HOUSE AND YOU WANNA SCRAPE IT AND YOU SCRAP IT, YOU'RE GONNA FIND SOME ROT WOOD AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA REPAINT IT.
UM, YOU'RE PROBABLY IN THAT 5,000 MAYBE MORE.
SO 3000 WOULD, WOULD GET YOU A 50 50 MATCH.
UM, IF YOU WANT TO ALLOW THINGS LIKE, UM, FIXING BROKEN DRIVEWAYS, REPLACING DOORS OR WINDOWS, THINGS THAT, THINGS LIKE THAT, YOU'RE, YOU'RE MORE ON THAT 10,000 MM-HMM.
UM, IN THIS SECOND BUCKET HERE, IF YOU'RE GOING TO GET INTO, UM, INCENTIVIZING MAJOR UPGRADES INSIDE THE HOME, YOU'RE, YOU'RE IN 20, 25,000 AND THAT'S THE MATCH.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT SOMEONE IS GOING TO USE ALL THAT.
PEOPLE DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO SPEND UP TO THE MATCH.
THEY MAY ONLY TAKE HALF OF THAT 'CAUSE THEY CAN'T PROVIDE THAT MUCH PRIVATE INVESTMENT, WHICH IS NOT INCENTIVE.
UM, SO JUST BECAUSE THAT'S YOUR CAP DOESN'T MEAN THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE ARE GONNA SPEND.
UM, AND THEN THIS ONE, WE'RE PROBABLY ABOUT TO TRY TO DO A, A PILOT ON THIS.
UM, IT, THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT WAYS THAT CAN BE STRUCTURED, BUT I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I THINK THE LOSS IS.
IF SOMEBODY TRIED TO DO THIS IN A PRIVATE MARKET, IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT 150,000 LOSS ON, ON A SMALL, SMALL TO DOUBLE IT IN SQUARE FOOTAGE.
OKAY, NOW THE FUN PART,
SO FIRST TIME WE KIND OF SHOWED ALL THE COLLECTIVE GROUPING OF ALL THE PROJECTS.
PART TWO IS HERE'S SCS STAFF'S, UH, RECOMMENDATION ON HOW TO PRIORITIZE THESE.
AND SO NOW WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS TRY TO WALK THESE INTO PROPOSITIONS.
AND WITHIN THOSE PROPOSITIONS, A LOT OF WHAT I'VE HEARD HERE, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, THE HOUSING, THE HOME INCENTIVE PROGRAM, THERE'S A, A $150 MILLION BUDGET.
YOU KNOW, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BOND PROGRAMS GOING TO BE A BIG CHUNK OF THAT, THAT PROPOSITION, IS IT JUST FITTING THAT IN AND EARMARKING THAT MONEY TO BE UTILIZED FOR THAT, FOR COUNCIL TO DETERMINE THE POLICIES? SO IT'S, IT'S THAT KIND OF THING.
WHEN YOU GET INTO PROPOSITIONS, Y'ALL HAVE ALL VOTED, YOU'RE GOING TO BE SOMEWHAT VAGUE ON WHAT IT IS.
AND THE REASON IS, IS YOU GOTTA HAVE FLEXIBILITY TO BE ABLE TO PIVOT.
IF SOMETHING'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN, ESPECIALLY WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LAND ASSEMBLY, SOMETIMES IT'S JUST NOT GOING TO WORK.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO MOVE TO ANOTHER PROGRAM.
ANOTHER THING, AND THOSE ARE DECISIONS THAT WE CAN'T MAKE NOW WITH THE FIVE SEVEN YEAR HORIZON, YOU GOTTA HAVE THE STUDIES, YOU GOTTA HAVE IT THE RIGHT MARKET.
YOU GOTTA HAVE EVERYTHING JUST RIGHT TO, TO MOVE.
SO THAT'S GONNA BE THE, THE, I GUESS THE CROSSWALK THAT WE'RE GONNA WALK THROUGH.
UH, THIS SLIDE IS JUST A REMINDER OF THE CATALYST AREAS.
WE KIND OF STARTED AT TARGETING AREAS.
AND WHY WE DID THAT IS WE GOTTA LOOK AT AREAS AND, AND DETERMINE DOLLARS TO PUT INTO THIS BOND PROGRAM BASED OFF OF WHAT WE KNOW NOW.
SO WE, WE HAVE THESE SEVEN CATALYST AREAS THAT WE'VE KIND OF, UH, BEEN FOCUSED ON ONE 90, YOU KNOW, THAT FOLLOWS UP.
GEORGE BUSH HAS THE FIRE, YOU KNOW, KEY ASSETS UP THERE.
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AT THE TOP, A HUGE CLUSTER OF DATA CENTERS THAT ARE, UH, HAVE BEEN EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO OUR ECONOMIC GROWTH OVER TIME.BUT OBVIOUSLY HAVE DOWNTOWN, WHICH HAS BEEN THE, THE CROWN JEWEL AS OF RIGHT NOW FOR, FROM THE 2019 BOMB PROGRAM SQUARE.
AND TO THE LEFT OF IT IS THE WELL WALNUT FOREST JUPITER AREA, WHICH IS OUR MEDICAL DISTRICT AS WELL.
SO WITHIN THAT AREA, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, KEY ASSETS THERE, PA POSSIBILITY FOR A FUTURE HOSPITAL SITE, AS WELL AS THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME LOVE ON A LOT OF SHOPPING CENTERS IN THAT AREA.
WE HAVE, UM, IN THE 2019 BOND PROGRAM.
WE'VE BEEN HEAVILY FOCUSED IN THAT AREA.
SOMAR SIDE WAS PURCHASED BEFORE THE 2019 BOND PROGRAM.
BUT WE'VE ALSO, YOU KNOW, I MENTIONED LAST TIME WE'VE WORKED OUT A DEAL WITH DART WITH AN ILA FOR THEM TO ALSO HELP US BOND.
WE'VE ACCUMULATED SOME LAND THERE, SO WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO REALLY HAVING A, A KEY, UH, GATEWAY READY FOR DEVELOPMENT RIGHT THERE.
GETS DONE, UH, THIS LITTLE GUIDE HERE IS OUR, UH, UH, CENTERVILLE MARKETPLACE.
AND THIS IS AN INTERESTING, INTERESTING LITTLE CATALYST AREA IN THAT IF YOU LOOK AT, UH, DOLLARS PER ACRE OUT OF ALL THE CATALYST AREAS, THAT'S GENERATING THE MOST, MOST PROPERTY TAXES, MOST SALES TAX PER ACRE.
YES, IT'S SMALL, BUT IT'S DENSE.
IT'S GOT THE WALMART, IT'S GOT, IT'S GOT A LOT OF SHOPPING CENTERS GOING ON RIGHT THERE.
SO OUR THOUGHT, AND I'LL GET TO IT LATER, IS THE LAST TIME WE SHOWED A BIG ZERO FOR THIS AREA IS OUR THOUGHT IS THE CITYWIDE PROGRAM.
THIS JUST NEEDS SOME REVITALIZATION.
IT'S ALL ABOUT AESTHETICS, IT'S DRIVING REVENUE, IT'S DENSE, IT'S DOING WHAT IT NEEDS TO DO FROM THAT STANDPOINT.
BUT DETERIORATING STRUCTURES, MT SHOPPING CENTERS, THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE'VE GOTTA FIX SO THAT, THAT CAN CONTINUE TO BRING IN REVENUE.
VERY SIMILAR SITUATION AT BROADWAY CENTER.
Y'ALL HAVE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE POSSIBLY USING THE HOME INCENTIVE PROGRAM.
IT'S REALLY A REVITALIZATION PROJECT.
IT'S SMALLER, IT'S GENERATING DECENT TAXES, BUT OVER TIME WE'VE SEEN SALES TAX STARTS TO DIP.
SO THIS IS AN AREA WHERE WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF FOCUSED ON.
THIS IS A REVITALIZATION PROJECT.
I 30, WE FOCUSED IN ON THE HARBOR POINT.
UM, AND REALLY WHILE WE WERE PUTTING SO MUCH MONEY TO IT, THERE'S A HUGE OPPORTUNITY THERE WITH GEORGE BUSH GOING THROUGH.
AND IT'S JUST LAKEFRONT PROPERTY.
IT'S THE, IT'S THE MOST, PROBABLY THE MOST UNIQUE PIECE OF PROPERTY IN THE CITY OF DARTMOUTH.
I WENT OVER THIS LAST TIME, THIS WAS THE CRITERIA WE USED FOR OUR PRIORITIZATION, THAT WE WANTED TO OBVIOUSLY FOLLOW THE CITY COUNCIL CHARGE, LOOK AT POTENTIAL RETURNS, HOW READY IS THE PROJECT TO GET STARTED, THE ABILITY TO FUND WITH ALTERNATIVE MANNERS AND UH, ALSO ALSO EVALUATE RISK AND BARRIERS WE KNOW OF RIGHT NOW.
THIS SLIDE WE SHOWED LAST TIME, I FIXED THE TOTAL
UM, ORIGINALLY WE HAD ABOUT 293, UH, MILLION DOLLARS AND THEN WE THREW 20% INFLATIONS JUMPED THAT UP TO AROUND 350 MILLION.
UH, TO PRIORITIZE THE AMOUNT, I'VE INCREASED THIS WITHOUT THROWING THE 207 MILLION INTO THE CITYWIDE PROGRAM FOR THE STREETS.
SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW IS THE POSSIBILITY OF 357.3 MILLION OF, UH, FOR THIS UPCOMING 2025 BOND.
AND YOU CAN SEE IN HARBOR POINT AND FOREST, JUPITER IN DOWNTOWN IS WHERE A LOT OF THE MONEY IS FOCUSED.
IT BECAUSE OF VERY SPECIFIC PROJECTS.
THE HARBOR POINT, THE PROJECT IS MOSTLY THAT BOARDWALK CONCEPT.
FOREST JEEPER IS OBVIOUSLY IN THE HOSPITAL AND TRYING TO ENTICE A COMMUNITY DOWNTOWN.
BOTH OF THAT IS RELATED TO THE GRAN BULL ARTS CENTER.
SO THEY'RE KIND OF SPECIFIC PROJECTS FOCUSED THERE.
SOUTH GARLAND, YEAH, THAT IS MOSTLY RELATED TO FINISHING OFF ANY LAND ACQUISITION THAT NEEDS TO OCCUR IN THERE.
JUST, AND, AND THIS COULD BE MOVED UP AROUND HERE, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MAP AND CENTERVILLE AND BROADWAY, NOT A LOT OF VACANT LAND.
THERE ARE VACANT SHOPPING CENTERS BUT NOT ADOPT A LOT OF VACANT LAND.
THERE ARE IS VACANT LAND ON GEORGE BUSH, BUT THE MARKET ONE, THE COST OF THAT LAND IS EXTREMELY HIGH.
SO WHAT IS THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT TO THE CITY? IT'S GONNA BE HARD TO
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QUANTIFY ANY.AND WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS AT WORK THAT I THINK EVERYONE WANTS.
SOME OF YOU HEAR SOME OF THE THINGS COMING OUT WE'LL BE EXCITED ABOUT WITH THE VACANT LAND THAT IS THERE.
BUT THAT, THAT VACANT LAND, THE MARKET CAN HANDLE IT ITSELF.
DEVELOPERS ARE INTERESTED IN THAT LAND.
THEY CAN COME AND MAKE IT WORK.
AND THERE'S OTHER INCENTIVES IN OUR TOOLKIT TO GET BIG BOX STORES AND OTHER THINGS TO COME THAT DAY.
SO WE DIDN'T ALLOCATE ANYTHING THERE.
AND JUST A REMINDER TODAY, YOU KNOW, OUR BIGGEST BUCKET IS CITYWIDE.
SO OBVIOUSLY 207 MILLION IN THE STREETS TAKES UP A BIG CHUNK OF THAT.
RIGHT NOW WE ALLOCATED 7 MILLION FOR NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY AND 20 MILLION PER GATEWAY AND CORRIDORS IMPROVEMENTS, AS WELL AS JUST GENERAL REVITALIZATION BUCKET OF 10 MILLION, WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT SHOPPING CENTER FOR SAWS.
THIS IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT COULD BE USED FOR THE MINOR HOME IMPROVEMENTS.
SO NEXT WE START TRYING TO BREAK IT DOWN INTO THOSE CHARGE BUCKETS.
COUNCIL PROVIDED US LAND ASSEMBLY, WE GOT TO ABOUT 25 MILLION.
REVITALIZATION AGAIN, AROUND 10,000,004 DOORS.
WE SETTLED ON 20 MILLION, WHICH IS PRETTY A LITTLE BIT HIGHER.
WE ROUNDED UP ON THE ORIGINAL AMOUNTS, UH, DESTINATION AND AMENITIES IS THE 88 MILLION, WHICH IS MOSTLY THOSE SPECIFIC PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, THE HOSPITAL FOUR.
SO, AND UH, THE PARTS, THE EXISTING PROGRAM IS NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY.
WE'VE HAD THAT PROGRAM GOING ON SINCE 2004.
BEEN A GREAT SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM.
IT'S KIND OF ONE THAT WE, WE, WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING ON THAT ONE.
SO IT'S CONTINUING THAT ON WOULD BE GREAT FOR DIGGING INTO LAND ASSEMBLY.
UH, THIS IS HOW WE INITIALLY BROKE OUT THE MONEY.
AND WHAT I WANT TO STRESS IS THIS DOESN'T TECHNICALLY MEAN WHERE WE, WE ARE GONNA SPEND THE MONEY.
IT'S JUST WHEN WE LOOK AT THE PROPERTIES AND THE RISKS ASSOCIATED AND HOW EASY IS IT GONNA BE TO ASSEMBLE THIS LAND.
THESE WERE THE AREAS THAT SHOWED UP TO US AS THOSE ARE PRETTY GOOD NUMBERS THAT WE THINK WE CAN GET THAT LAND.
AND THEN WHAT WE WERE MAINLY LOOKING AT WAS VACANT DLA, DILAPIDATED LAND.
WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO PURCHASE LAND WITH THINGS ON IT.
AGAIN, THAT'S REVITALIZATION DESTINATION AND AMENITIES.
UH, THERE WAS TWO PRETTY SPECIFIC PROJECTS IN THE BOARDWALK AT HARBOR POINT 30 MILLION RANDALL ARTS CENTER RENOVATION, AND THEN THE 33 MILLION, WHAT WE'RE CALLING INCENTIVES OR GAP FINANCING.
AND THIS IS MOSTLY RELATED TO THE HOSPITAL, BUT ALSO COULD BE UTILIZED PARTS OF THE CITY TO INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO COME TO THE CITY OF DARTON.
BULK OF THAT WAS RELATED TO THE HOSPITAL, THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT TOMMY PRESENTED BROKEN OUT BY, UH, ARTERIAL COLLECTORS DOWN TO THE ALLEYS.
AND THEN OUR CITYWIDE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS, GATEWAY AND CORRIDORS REVITALIZATION AND NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY.
AND THERE'S A MASTER PLAN STUDY THAT WILL BE PICKED OFF TO DETERMINE WHAT'S THE BIGGEST BANG IN BUCK FOR THOSE GATEWAYS AND CORRIDORS.
UH, YOU REMEMBER THE MAPS THAT BECKY WAS SHOWING, BUT WE NEED TO LOOK FOR THEY KEY GATEWAYS AND CORRIDORS.
AND AGAIN, IT'S BACK TO WHAT A LOT OF Y'ALL HAVE SAID IS WHEN YOU DRIVE INTO GARLAND, YOU WANT TO HAVE THE, THAT SHOW PIECE THERE TO WANT YOU TO KEEP DRIVING IN.
AND TONY CAN DO WHAT HE NEEDS TO DO.
ONCE YOU GET TO YOUR HOUSE, YOU'LL HAVE A NICE STREET.
SO I'M, I SAW THIS PICTURE AND I WAS THINKING THIS IS REALLY WHAT IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE DOING.
WE'RE JUST KIND OF GOING ALL OVER THE PLACE WHERE WE'RE, SO WE'RE GONNA TRY TO BRING IT IN TO CROSSWALK ALL THE STUFF WE TALKED ABOUT INTO VERY SPECIFIC PROPOSITION.
AND THIS IS WHERE Y'ALL'S RECOMMENDATION CONTENT, WHICH Y'ALL I SEE THIS IS JUST A START ON HOW, HOW YOU MIGHT PACKAGE THESE PROPOSITIONS.
AND I WANT TO TELL YOU WHY I PUT SO MANY ON HERE IS OUR CHARTER STATES THAT THE BOND STUDY COMMITTEE HAS TO EVALUATE ALL PROPOSITIONS.
SO, UH, MY THOUGHT WAS TO START WITH A BIG BROAD RANGE OF PROPOSITIONS, BUT THERE ARE SOME OF THESE THAT, LIKE TRANSPORTATION IZATION, YOU COULD PUT THAT IN STREETS AND INCREASE THAT STREETS.
BUT I DIDN'T WANT, BECAUSE OF OUR, OUR CHARTER LANGUAGE WANT TO
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JUST BUCKET EVERYTHING INTO ONE OR TWO PROPOSITIONS AND GO TO COUNCIL AND THEY WANT IT BROKEN OUT DIFFERENTLY, THEN WE HAVE TO COME BACK.SO THIS IS AGAIN, MY FIRST SWAG OF MAYBE HOW THIS THINGS TO BE BUCKET UP.
FIRST IS THE, UH, UH, CITYWIDE STREETS AND TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH THE 207.3 AND OVER HERE I KIND OF TRIED TO TELL YOU THE EXACT PROJECTS THAT ARE FITTING INTO THESE.
PROPOSITION B IS LOOKING AT, OKAY, THE STREETS IS THE ACTUAL SURFACE OF IT.
THIS IS LET'S IMPROVE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE WHEN YOU COME IN.
SO THE GATEWAY AND CORRIDOR IMPROVEMENTS.
SO THIS COULD BE ANYTHING FROM MONUMENT SIGNS, WAY FINDING SIGNS TO, UH, YOU KNOW, LARGE ART PIECES TO WELCOME YOU IN THE GARMENT.
AND I CALLED THIS ONE ECONOMIC AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
WHY I'VE CHOSE THE WORD COMMUNITY WITH ECONOMIC HERE IS 'CAUSE OF THE HOSPITAL.
SO HERE BUCKETING ALL THE LAND ASSEMBLY, THE INCENTIVES FOR THE MEDICAL DISTRICT POWERPOINT, THE REVITALIZATION 10 MILLION, UH, GATEWAY AND CORRIDORS IS TYPO.
AND THEN PARTS RECREATION IMPROVEMENTS.
AND, AND WHY I DID THIS ONE IS THE BOARDWALK CONCEPT.
SO THE BOARDWALK WOULD BE MAINTAINED MORE THAN LIKELY BY THE PARTS RECREATION DEPARTMENT.
SO, BUT WHAT IF THE BOARDWALK FALLS THROUGH AND CANNOT WORK? MY THOUGHT WAS, WELL IF THERE'S OTHER TRAILS AND OTHER PARK AMENITIES FOR THE MOBILITY OF THAT AREA IN HARBOR POINT THAT WOULD NEED TO BE DONE.
SO I'VE JUST KIND OF BROADLY PUT THAT CONCEPT OF BOARDWALK AS A PARK AND RECREATION IMPROVEMENT.
IT COULD FLOW INTO, UH, ED, IT COULD FLOW, UM, TECHNICALLY INTO THE STREETS OF TRANSPORTATION BECAUSE IT'S A FORM OF TRANSPORTATION.
IF WE DID THAT AND THEN I'VE LEFT RANDALL ARTS CENTER ON ITS OWN FOR THE 25 MILLION AND UH, THIS IS A TOUGH ONE, IT'S HARD TO PUT SOMETHING ALL ALONE LIKE THAT.
UM, WHAT I WOULD, WHY I DID THAT IS MAINLY, AGAIN, FROM THE COUNCIL'S PERSPECTIVE TO START BROAD FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO BUCKET LOWER.
BUT THIS WAS DONE THIS WAY BECAUSE, UH, OUR FRIENDS AT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OFFICE HAS BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF A STICKLER WHEN IT COMES TO FACILITY IMPROVEMENTS.
SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING TO IMPROVE FACILITIES, WHAT WE'VE TYPICALLY DONE IN THE PAST IS THIS, WHAT I'VE JUST BEEN CALLED EXISTING FACILITY IMPROVEMENTS.
BUT THEY WANNA KNOW WHAT IT IS.
IF YOU DON'T TELL 'EM WHAT IT IS, THEY DON'T WANT TO DO IT.
IT'S BECAUSE OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE THINGS LIKE CHANGE AND, YOU KNOW, PITCH TO, UH, THE CITIZENS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD NEW, UH, PARK REC CENTERS.
THAT THEY JUST DO THEIR CITY HALL.
SO THIS IS MORE, IT MAY NOT LOOK EXACTLY LIKE THAT.
I WENT AHEAD AND PUT RAMBLE ARTS CENTER, BUT MY HOPE WOULD BE THAT IT WOULD BE FACILITY IMPROVEMENTS, LISTING UNDERNEATH IT, UH, EXISTING FACILITIES INCLUDING OR MAY INCLUDE THE RAMBLE ARTS CENTER.
BUT IT'S UP TO, UH, HOW Y'ALL WANT TO PRESENT THAT TO COUNSEL AND ULTIMATELY FOR COUNSEL TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
BUT THERE'S A LOT OF, LOT OF THINGS KIND OF OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE THAT'S MOSTLY LEGAL RELATED WHEN IT COMES TO, I WANTED TO PROVIDE AN EXAMPLE OF A PROPOSITION, AND THIS IS A LOT OF PEOPLE'S JOB.
SO I SHOWED EARLIER $75 MILLION FOR ECONOMIC AND, UH, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
SO TYPICALLY HOW YOU STRUCTURE THIS IS YOU SAY, I'M GONNA DO, YES, LEGALLY I'M GONNA DO PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS, PUBLIC PURPOSE TO PROMOTE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO THE CITY AND THEN LIST EVERYTHING THAT WE POSSIBLY MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO HERE.
AND THEN WHETHER IT BECOMES IMPORTANT IS CITY PROGRAM, LIKE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING THE ACQUISITION THAT EVERYTHING WE WANT TO DO HERE.
SO YOU'LL SEE THAT, THAT THAT'S THEIR RESIDENTIAL HOUSING INCENTIVE PROGRAM THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT.
WE CAN TECHNICALLY DO THAT AT THAT PASS WITH THIS.
BUT IT'S A VERY BROAD GROUP AND WHERE ARE THE, WHERE ARE THE DETAILS COME IN IS IN COMMUNICATION.
SO THERE WILL BE A COMMUNICATION EFFORT TO NOT NECESSARILY PROMOTE THIS, BUT TO INFORM CITIZENS OF WHAT ALL THIS MEANS.
WHAT DO WE DO WITH THAT? IT'S GOING TO OPEN IT UP TO THE DISCUSSION.
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AND UH, I GUESS I CAN JUST COME BACK HERE ON THIS AMOUNT.IS THERE ANYTHING THAT'S GETTING HEARTBURN OR ANY QUESTIONS? UM, MY FIRST INCLINATION, UH, IS TO AGREE WITH, UH, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ORDER OF THEM, UM, THE STREETS WOULD BE AT THE TOP, UH, BECAUSE I THINK THAT IS AT THE TOP OF MOST CITIZENS' MINDS.
UM, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE GRANDVILLE MOVED UP.
UH, I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT AND I THINK PRIORITIZING IT THAT WAY EXPRESSES THAT LEVEL OF IMPORTANCE.
UM, I, MY THOUGHT THAT I HAD WITH THE GATEWAYS AND CORRIDORS, 20 MILLION SOUNDS LIKE A LOT.
AND I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT 20 MILLION BUYS FOR GATEWAYS AND CORRIDORS.
I MEAN, WELL THERE'S ROUGHLY SEVEN, EIGHT THAT ARE PROBABLY GONNA BE 34 BILLION.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THEM, LIKE WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CORRIDOR, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THERE WILL BE SOME ROADWAY, LIKE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO CHANGE UP SOME OF THE ROADWAYS, WHICH IS EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE.
UH, AND THEN ON TOP OF IT, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUT IN, YOU KNOW, THE STREETSCAPE AND THE BEAUTIFICATION ON TOP OF IT.
SO THE COST IN A LOT OF THESE IS THE ROADWAYS AS WELL TO GET THEM TO WHERE THEY NEED TO BE.
THERE'S NOT A LOT OF FLUFF IN THE NUMBERS FOR LIKE LANDSCAPING THINGS.
THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ACTUAL MONUMENTS AND CONSTRUCTING THINGS ON THE ROADWAY TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S APPEALING COME IN.
AND IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU SAID COULD BE COMBINED INTO THAT, UH, STREET AND TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS TO JUST LUMP THAT ALL TOGETHER SINCE, I MEAN, SAYING IT INVOLVES THE STREETS? THAT'S MY THOUGHTS BECAUSE MA'AM MY, MY UNDERSTANDING IS STREETS ARE THE PHYSICAL STREET AND TRANSPORTATION IS EVERYTHING ABOVE THAT.
THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN STREETS AND TRANSPORTATION.
BUT THERE WERE NOT CONVENIENCE THAT NEEDED TO BE CONSTRUCTED TO FIT THE RIGHT, YOU KNOW, FOR THE, FOR THE STREETSCAPING AND THE BEAUTIFICATION OF IT.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF, THERE'S WORK THAT HAS TO BE DONE, BUT WHAT THIS JUST PAVEMENT PAVEMENT ALONE.
CHRIS KRISTEN LACTO, UH, FOR, I GUESS GOING BACK, YOU KNOW, PREVIOUS GUYS KEEP IT HERE, BUT ON THE, THE SOUTH GARLAND AVENUE AREA, UM, RIGHT NOW YOUR RECOMMENDATION OF THE SAP IS TO PUT 10 MILLION IN LAND ASSEMBLY THERE.
SO MY QUESTION IS, IF THERE WERE TO BE INCENTIVES LIKE WE'RE DOING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PROPOSING HERE FOR MEDICAL DISTRICT ON HARBOR POINT, WOULD THAT HAVE TO COME FROM A DIFFERENT BOND ELECTION OR WOULD THERE BE POTENTIAL FOR, THERE'S INCENTIVE MONEY SOMEWHERE ELSE THAT'S PLANNED FOR THAT AREA? BASICALLY WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS 75 MILLION FOR
WE'VE DONE SIGNIFICANT INVEST IN THAT AREA AND WE HAVE ROUGHLY $22 MILLION FROM DART THROUGH AN I A IN THIS AREA.
WE ALSO HAVE, UH, PURCHASED THE IMART AREA.
WE PURCHASED, OH, I FORGET THE TOTAL NUMBER OF ACRES THAT WE PURCHASED DOWN THERE, BUT THERE'S THE OTHER STORES, THE CINEMA, UH, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO SOME OTHER THINGS IN THE WORK OUTSIDE OF THIS BOND PROGRAM TO INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE'RE GONNA
I WAS TALKING AND YES, THAT'S GREAT.
THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING THAT.
BUT IN TERMS OF INCENTIVES FOR DEVELOPMENT, THAT PART OF IT, UM, WOULD THAT COME FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE OR, YES, TRADIT, THE TRADITIONAL INCENTIVE FROM AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT IS, IS REALLY SET UP THROUGH WHAT WE CALL 3 83.
WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE IS IF YOU COME TO SOUTH DARLAND, WE, AND WE WILL REIMBURSE YOU 50% OF YOUR SALES TAX OR 50% OF YOUR PROPERTY TAX IF YOU MEET THESE THRESHOLDS.
AND THAT'S THE TYPICAL ECONOMIC, WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR HERE IS REALLY BIG, BIG BANG REQUESTS FROM THE CITY AREA.
UH, TONY TORRES AGAIN, WILL IT BE POSSIBLE TO UH, ADD ANOTHER COLUMN TO YOUR SLIDE UP HERE FOR OUR CONSIDERATION DELIBERATION, UH, WITH THE INFORMATION, UH, GOING BACK TO THE 19 BOND, UH, HOW MUCH WAS PROVIDED OR AUTHORIZED? AND I'M SEEING THAT CORRELATES TO THESE, UH, WHAT, FOUR
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OR FIVE, UH, PROPOSITIONS? WELL, INCLUDING THE CITY, STREET AND TRANSPORTATION.I MEAN THIS OFFHAND 46 MILLION STREETS AGAINST STREETS WAS DIFFERENT.
WE WERE TALKING ABOUT CONSTRUCTION OF AGE OF THE STREET WAS AROUND PARKS, UH, OVER A HUNDRED MILLION 17.
THE, UH, PARKS AND RECREATION WAS, UH, 17, UH, ONE 17.
UH, AND UH, TRANSPORTATION GATEWAY CORRIDOR, I'M NOT SURE WHETHER THAT'S TRANSPORTATION, CORRIDOR, TRANSPORTATION, UM, LOCKED INTO THE STREETS TOTAL, BUT THE FUNDING WAS NOT SIGNIFICANT.
TONY, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ADDING A COLUMN FOR HOW MUCH WE YES.
CAN WE ALSO ADD A COLUMN FOR HOW MUCH OF THAT HAS BEEN SPENT OR DONE? WE'RE 70% DONE.
SO CAN, HERE'S HOW MUCH WE A HERE'S HOW FAR ALONG THAT IS.
EITHER HOW MUCH IS SPENT OR HOW MUCH IS LEFT, WHATEVER MAKES SENSE THERE.
ALL I CAN SAY I'LL PROBABLY DO, HOW MUCH IS THEY COMMITTED SPENT VERSUS COMMITTED? WE GOT A LOT OF POS OUT TO SOME BIG PROJECTS RIGHT NOW, SO I'LL DO THINGS THAT ARE IN THE WORKS.
MATT, ON ON B THERE IS, IS THAT MORE OF A GATEWAY AND ENTRIES, MAJOR ENTRIES INTO THE CITY AREA? CORRECT.
UH, I THINKING THINK YOU JUST USE GATEWAY AND ENTRY AREAS, GARLAND ROAD RATHER THAN TRANSPORTATION.
UH, TO ME THAT INDICATES I TRANSLATE THAT TO STREETS, BUT I UNDERSTAND.
WE DID A LOT ON FOREST LANE THAT WOULD BE CALLED GATEWAY AND CORRIDOR REVITALIZATION, SO SURE.
IT'S GOTTA BE, IT'S ON TOP OF THE STREET, BUT, BUT IT'S WHAT YOU SEE WHEN YOU COME TO THE CITY OR DRIVE THROUGH THE CITY.
SO MAYOR BROBERG, DISTRICT TWO, WHAT HAS HAPPENED WITH THE FIFTH STREET PROJECT? I DON'T THINK THIS GUY EVER TOOK THAT.
IS IT HERE CLASS IN COLLEGE? SO WHAT DO WE DO NOW? UM, JOE ONE FROM COLUMN A AND YOU GET EGG ROLLING.
I MEAN IT'S, I GUESS THE FIRST QUESTION, IS THERE ANY HEARTBURN WITH GOING TO COUNCIL WITH THIS BUCKET AND WHAT ARE THEY? AND WE CAN MAKE THE TWEAKS THAT WE CAN HAVE TO CALL THE NEXT MEETING FOR HOW MUCH SO THAT Y'ALL MUCH REMAIN PROGRAM.
UM, AND THEN ANOTHER QUESTION WHEN WE GET DOWN TO SCHEDULE IS I THINK WE HAVE TWO MORE MEETINGS AND, UH, TWO MORE.
ISN'T IT THE 21ST, THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS DINNER? IT IS, THAT'S ANOTHER MEETING.
IT'S ANOTHER AGENDA ITEM TONIGHT.
SO WEDNESDAY, UH, CHIP THAT CHIP THAT NEXT? YEAH.
IT WAS MY HEARTBURN MOMENT WAS WHEN YOU INITIALLY SHOWED THAT AND GRANVILLE ARTS WAS NAKED UP THERE.
AND IF WE COULD WORK, I, I LIKE LINDSAY'S IF WE COULD MOVE THAT UP.
AND ALSO IF WE COULD WORK ON WORDING OF THE, OF THE TITLE.
WHERE WOULD YOU, LIKE WHERE DO Y'ALL, Y'ALL THOUGHT FIRST? I THINK STREETS HAVE GOTTA BE FIRST, BUT I THINK IF YOU PUT IT ABOVE STREETS, THAT WOULD TELL PEOPLE HOW IMPORTANT IT IS BECAUSE THEY KNOW STREETS ARE IMPORTANT.
PROBABLY EVERYBODY IN HERE, I'M FINE WITH EVERYBODY PUT STREETS AT THE BOTTOM.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE SAYING.
UM, BACK KRISTEN, UM, KRISTEN, JUST ONE OTHER THOUGHT.
I GUESS I, I LIKE THE IDEA OF MOVING GRAND ART CENTER UP HIGHER MAYBE IN THE SECOND POSITION, BUT WONDERING IF WE SHOULD MOVE C UP HIGHER THE ECONOMIC AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SINCE THAT'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BOND IS THE NAME OF WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.
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WANNA EMPHASIZE THAT, MAYBE IT SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE MORE PROMINENT.THAT'S THAT'S A HUGE, THE NUMBERS SPEAK TO THAT.
I THINK IN TERMS OF THE PRIORITIZATION, IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE THE FIRST THING YOU SEE.
UH, MATT, JUST REAL QUICKLY, RICKY MCNEIL FROM D ONE, JUST ON THE NEXT SLIDE ON THE EXAMPLE PROPOSITION, UH, YEAH.
AND I KNOW THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE, BUT I KNOW WHEN WE HAVE THAT HOSPITAL DEVELOPMENT MIGHT WANNA BE A LITTLE BIT, I MEAN, I LIKE THE TERM THAT WE USE OVER HERE, MEDICAL DISTRICT EARLIER ON THE OTHER SLIDE MAY JUST WHEN WE GET TO THIS POINT JUST MAY WANNA BE CONSISTENT.
I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
SO FAR WHAT I'VE HEARD I TO SEE, UH, MOVING STREETS CONSENSUS TO MOVE IT ALL THE WAY DOWN.
I DON'T THINK IT MATTERS WHERE WE PUT IT.
I MEAN, WELL WHAT ABOUT STREETS? WHAT MOST OF THE TIME YOU WANT TO PUT THESE IN THE ORDER? SO STREETS, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, ARTS CENTER.
SO JOE, JUST WHAT, JUST ONE OTHER QUESTION, JUST ONE OTHER QUESTION REAL QUICK, MATT.
I MEAN, AND I GET ON MY BOSS AND I, WE HAVE DEBATES CONSTANTLY ABOUT ESTIMATES, RIGHT? SO WHEN I LOOK AT 3 57, 300, OH, WE KNOW EXACTLY HOW MUCH IT'S GONNA COST.
SO I, I GUESS I WOULD ASK TONY DOES
SO I, I GUESS I WOULD THROW OUT THERE AND SEE IF TONY'S OKAY WITH IT.
NOT TRYING TO PUT FLUFF IN THERE, BUT COULD WE JUST GO TO THREE, $360 MILLION IN THAT WAY? BECAUSE TO ME IT LOOKS, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE WHEN I'M ASKING MY WIFE HOW YOU, HOW MUCH YOU GONNA SPEND, RIGHT? OH, YOU KNOW,
SO I, I WOULD, I WOULD JUST BE A LITTLE BIT MORE COMFORTABLE WITH A ROUND NUMBER 360 MILLION.
I MEAN, I DON'T WANNA PUT FLUFF IN THERE, BUT YEAH.
COULD YOU USE THAT UP? $3 MILLION, TONY.
AND WHAT ABOUT COMBINING A AND B? IS THERE ANY, DID ANYBODY ELSE THREE AND B, IS THERE ANYONE THAT WANTS TO COMBINE A AND B? MM-HMM.
WITH THAT? YEAH, BECAUSE I MEAN IT INVOLVES, I MEAN YOU SAID IT INVOLVES SOMETIMES THREE.
WHAT, HOW DID YOU SAY THE GATEWAY? FOUR DOOR IMPROVEMENTS.
THE ONLY REASON I BROKE IT OUT WAS TO GET COUNCIL BECAUSE AGAIN, THEY'RE GONNA GO, Y'ALL ARE GONNA MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION AND THEY'RE GONNA MAKE THE FINAL CALL.
I, I STARTED WITH BREAKING THINGS OUT TRADITIONALLY HOW I'VE SEEN UNDER CITY SPRING PROPOSITION THIS YOU COULD PUT UP IN THAT.
BUT WHEN IT GOTTA COUNCIL THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO THEN BREAK THAT OUT.
CHIP, CHIP FOR THE GATEWAY AND QUARTERS, CAN WE ADD TO THE, THE EXPLANATION THAT IMPROVED WAYFINDING, UH, CITY BRANDING, SOMETHING THAT, THAT DIFFERENTIATES IT MORE AND THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT THING.
WHAT AT THE NEXT MEETING BASED OFF OF Y'ALL'S ORDER.
WE CAN THE WORDING Y'ALL WANT TO HAVE IN THERE.
SO MONUMENT, RIGHT? WE WOULDN'T WANT TO CALL THAT OUT.
YOU KNOW, THIS INCLUDES MY WAY FINDING ALL THE THINGS THAT WE POSSIBLY UP DOING IN THIS THAT A CONSULTANT OR ARCHITECT.
WHAT ABOUT SEPARATING OUT THE HOSPITAL? UH, INCENTIVES? HMM.
AND WHY I DIDN'T DO IT WAS CALLING IT OUT SEPARATELY AND WE CAN'T POSSIBLY DO IT.
UH, JUST I WAS WORRIED ABOUT FROM A POLITICAL STAND, LIKE BASICALLY KIND OF PROMISING SOMETHING AND NOT BEING ABLE TO DELIVER.
IF YOU DON'T GET A HOSPITAL, OKAY.
I KNOW, BUT TYPICALLY ADDING IN COMMUNITY.
AND JUST LOOK, I MEAN I KNOW WE JUST WORKING ON WORDING, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT C ON THE PROJECTS INCLUDE, YOU KNOW, GATEWAYS AND QUARTERS, YOU KNOW, GETTING KNOW ON ITEM B ON THE DESCRIPTION WE HAVE GATEWAYS AND QUARTER THERE.
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IN, BUT, BUT GOING BACK TO YOUR ORIGINAL QUESTION.IF WE COMBINE A AND B, THAT'S GONNA GIVE US FOUR AND YOU KNOW, SOME OF US HAVE SHORT ATTENTION SPANS.
HAVING FOUR AS OPPOSED TO YEAH, THERE'S A WHOLE THING.
I MEAN I EXPERIENCED IT CERTAIN CITY OF DALLAS HAD WHAT, 25 OR SO? IT'S INSANE.
WELL YOU SAID WE JUST YOU SAID WE CAN LEAVE THEM IN CITY AND COUNCIL CAN COMBINE THEM.
I THINK IT'S JUST BETTER LANGUAGE.
SO FIVE, WE HAD 10 THAT, HEY QUICK.
I'M, I'M LOOKING AT THE, AT MARY BABA DISTRICT TWO, WHOEVER I'M UM, I'M LOOKING AT THE CITY STREET AND TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS AND THEN YOU GO OVER HERE AND PROJECTS INCLUDE STREET AND ALLEY IMPROVEMENTS CITY BY, I I THINK THE MESSAGE TO THE VOTERS IS WE'RE GOING TO TOUCH A WHOLE BUNCH OF THIS PLACE AND IT WILL BRING IT UP TO GRADE AND TO THE SCALE THAT WE NEEDED WITH THESE FUNDS THAT ARE COMING FROM A DIFFERENT SOURCE.
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW IT ALL LOOKS LIKE IT'S THE SAME THING.
AND AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S A MARKETING ISSUE AS WELL AS, UH, REALLY TELLING YOU WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.
BECAUSE IN REALITY, IF THIS IS DONE BY THE TIME WE GET THROUGH WITH IT, GOVERNMENT'S GONNA HAVE SOME PRETTY DECENT STREETS EVERYWHERE.
EVERYONE'S GONNA NEED SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
AND, AND AGAIN, WE'VE HAD THE DISCUSSION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PLEASE DON'T PUT THE STREET DOWN AND THEN GO THROUGH AND PUT THE UTILITIES UNDER IT.
BUT IT'S, I I THINK WE NEED, WE'VE JUST BEEN THROUGH AN ELECTION THAT WASN'T STAGED WELL AND NEVERMIND HOW IT CAME OUT, BUT IT'S, IT'S THE ABILITY TO SAY TO OUR PUBLIC, THIS IS WHAT THIS MEANS FOR YOU.
AND THAT'S, AND COUNCIL CAN DEAL WITH THAT.
BUT IT'S THAT, THAT SENSE OF IF THIS INVESTMENT MAKES THIS HAPPEN, AND AGAIN, IT'S NOT GONNA RAISE MY TAX RATE, MY TAX RATE'S ALREADY BEEN RAISED BECAUSE MY PROPERTY WENT UP.
WELL YOUR PROPERTY'S GONNA GO UP AGAIN IF WE DO THIS, BUT SO BE IT.
SO IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST A THOUGHT ABOUT THAT.
UM, AND I, I CAN SEE COMBINING THOSE TWO, BUT AGAIN, YOU'VE MADE SUCH A POINT ABOUT THAT 207 MILLION IS COMING FROM SOMEWHERE, SOME OTHER SOURCE OF FUNDS AND I DON'T THINK PUTTING IT TOGETHER WITH SOMETHING THAT'S ACTUALLY A BOND DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME.
YEAH, THE 2 0 7 IS KIND OF DIFFERENT POCKET OF MONEY.
I DON'T THINK WE WANNA PUT THAT TOGETHER.
WITHDRAW MY RECOMMENDATION WITH HOW ABOUT THIS QUESTION IS ACTUALLY DIRECTED AT MR. CAMPBELL HERE, UH, BY THE, THAT'S NOT, UH, GET TOO HUNG UP ON THE PRIDE OF OWNERSHIP HERE.
THE WORDING, RANKING, WHAT HAVE YOU.
BY THE TIME COUNCIL GETS DONE WITH THIS, WE PROBABLY WON'T RECOGNIZE OUR WORK
BE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL YOUR THOUGHTS PRESENT.
HOPEFULLY THE DRAFT PRESENTATION THAT Y'ALL BE PRESENTING, COUNSEL, WE GO THROUGH THAT.
SO I WANNA MAKE SURE JUST, I'M SORRY, JUST ONE OTHER OBSERVATION.
UM, I WORK WITH BOARDS A LOT AND COUNCILS LIKE THAT AND THERE'S A PIECE OF ME AND, AND A WILD MOMENT THAT WOULD LIKE TO SAY, OKAY, YOU ALL WORK ON IT AND GIVE IT BACK TO US TO APPROVE
IT WAS JUST A THOUGHT BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO DO CHARTER THAT TAKE A LONG TIME.
SOME OF US HAVING SERVED ON THE 19TH BOND, THIS IS SO UNIQUE 'CAUSE WE HAD A LOT OF LIST OF FIRE STATIONS AND BUILDINGS AND THIS IS THE ONLY ONE THAT WE EVEN HAVE ANY INDICATION OF A SPECIFIC
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PROJECT.SO BASICALLY PART OF OUR JOB IS TO FEED THE COUNCIL SOMETHING BACK THAT THEY CAN CHEW ON AND BETWEEN STAFF AND AND COUNCIL, THEY CAN COME UP WITH PROJECTS.
IS AM I WRONG THERE? YOU'RE RIGHT.
IS THERE ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON ANYTHING Y'ALL EITHER WANT THIS OR WANT US TO THINK ABOUT WHILE WE'RE PUTTING IT TOGETHER? THE DRAFT? ARE Y'ALL GOOD WITH US PUTTING PRESENTATION FOR Y'ALL TO LOOK NEXT TIME? YES.
YEAH, I THINK, UH, I THINK WE KIND OF, WE KIND OF TALKED THIS ONE OUT BACK TO, FORTUNATELY WITH PROPOSITION LANGUAGE, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO SAY NO TAG, BUT THROUGH COMMUNICATION, THE CITY WEBSITE, WE HAVE TO POUND THAT IN EVEN THAT NUMBER STATE OF THE ECONOMY.
NOW, ANY ASKING FOR ANYTHING ELSE IS A BURDEN.
ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO ON TO, UH, FOUR E HERE.
UM, NEXT THURSDAY WE'LL HAVE OUR KIND OF FIRST DRAFT OF HERE'S WHAT WE WANT TO PRESENT AND THEN THE, UM, DENMAN DIAMONDS, UH, BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, UH, UH, DINNER WAS SCHEDULED OPPOSITE OUR MEETING HERE.
AND SO THE THOUGHT IS WE NEED TO MOVE OFF OF NOVEMBER 21ST AND TO WHAT DATE WOULD WE MOVE OUR FINAL MEETING.
AND SO, UM, IT KIND OF DEPENDS ON, YOU KNOW, OKAY, IF WE, IF WE MOVE OFF THAT DATE, WHAT DATE AND WHAT FACILITY WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO MEET IN, UH, IS WHAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT.
SO LETICIA, ARE YOU I WOULD JUST, I WOULD ADD THAT IF, UH, IF WE WERE ABLE TO ZIP EVERYTHING UP NEXT WEEK, THEN WE WOULDN'T MEET THAT SECOND MEETING.
SO DEFINITELY JUST HAVE IT ALL ON CALENDAR.
UM, WEDNESDAY, THURSDAY WOULD SEEM TO BE OUR BEST FIT, BUT I ALSO WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL HAVE ON YOUR CALENDAR TO GO TO THE CENTER ON THURSDAY NIGHT.
BUT THEN, UM, SO WE'RE GONNA COME BACK NEXT WEEK, WRAP UP WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE PRESENTATION, THEN NOT HAVING TO MEET THE FOLLOWING WEEK THE NEXT TIME THAT WE WOULD SEE YOU, UH, WOULD MEET AT THE DECEMBER 2ND WHERE WE MENTIONED TWO.
AND WE CAN ALSO, WE DO THIS SOMETIME IN COUNCIL, UH, WHEN WE'RE GOING THROUGH BUDGET MEETINGS.
WE CAN MEET NEXT THURSDAY WITH THE INTENTION OF WRAPPING UP AND HOLD IF NECESSARY.
NEXT WEEK MAKE THE DECISION MOVE ALL UP.
SO COMMITTEE, HOW DOES WEDNESDAY THE 20TH, FIFTH, SHOULD WE NEED THAT EXTRA MEETING? MAJORITY GOOD WITH THAT.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND SO I THINK WE'LL GO AHEAD AND SCHEDULE IT.
IT'S EASIER TO SCHEDULE IT NOW AND CANCEL THAN TO SAY WE'RE GONNA CANCEL IT NOW BECAUSE WE'RE FOR SURE GONNA BE DONE NEXT WEEK WITH THIS DISCUSSION TONIGHT.
UH, THERE'S NO GUARANTEE WE'RE GONNA BE DONE NEXT WEEK, SO SEND AN UPDATED CALENDAR INVITE.
IF Y'ALL HAVE THAT ON CALENDAR FOR WEDNESDAY, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
WE FLEXIBLE PLAN FOR THREE HOURS? NO, WE'RE ALMOST, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN MAKE THAT ONE
SO WE WILL, YOU'LL SCHEDULE RESCHEDULE FOR THE 20TH AND THEN WE'LL SEE IF WE NEED IT.
UH, ITEM FIVE IS FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. UH, WE GOT MUCH TIME TO ADD ANYTHING ELSE TO THE FUTURE AGENDA, BUT AT LEAST WANT TO OFFER IT FINISH.
UH, YEAH, I DON'T SEE ANY FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. AND THEN THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING TONIGHT.