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AND GENTLEMEN.LET'S, UH, HOPE WE CAN GET THROUGH THIS TONIGHT.
[ NOTICE OF MEETING CITY OF GARLAND, TEXAS BOND STUDY COMMITTEE Goldie Locke Community Room of the Charles E. Duckworth Utility Building 217 N. Fifth Street Garland, Texas November 14, 2024 at 6:00 p.m. A meeting of the Bond Study Committee of the City of Garland, Texas will be held on Thursday, November 14, 2024 at 6:00 p.m. at 217 N. Fifth Street, Garland, Texas in the Goldie Locke Community Room of Charles E. Duckworth Utility Building.]
UH, WE DO HAVE A MEETING SCHEDULED FOR NEXT WEDNESDAY, BUT, UH, LET'S HOPE WE CAN PUT A BOW ON IT TONIGHT.UM, THERE'S A QUORUM OF THE BOND COMMITTEE PRESENT.
MY NAME IS JOE THOMAS, CHAIR OF THE BOND COMMITTEE.
I CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER HERE ON NOVEMBER 14TH AT 6:02 PM UM, FIRST WE WILL GO TO, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS.
IF ANYONE HAS A, ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS, NOW'S THE TIME.
THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK IF ANYONE HAS COMMENTS BEFORE WE BEGIN.
ALRIGHT, I SEE NO PUBLIC COMMENTS OFFERED TONIGHT IS GOING TO MEETING LOGISTICS.
THANK YOU ALL FOR A MUCH BETTER JOB OF USING THE MICROPHONES COMPLIMENTS FROM COURTNEY.
I'LL PASS ALONG TO ALL OF YOU.
SHE WAS ABLE TO PICK UP EVERYTHING AND GET IT DOWN HERE.
SO, UH, PLEASE CONTINUE TO THE MIC.
I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE THIS MIC THING DOWN MAYBE WITH ONE ON ONE, WHERE YOU GO, WE'RE GONNA GET THERE.
UM, SO IF YOU, UH, HAVEN'T, UH, SILENCED YOUR CELL PHONE, IF YOU WOULD ALREADY, THAT APPLIES TO ME.
LET ME DOUBLE CHECK ON MID TIME NOW.
UM, ITEM THREE IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.
AND DO, UH, HAVE YOU SEEN THE MINUTES? DO WE HAVE CORRECTIONS OF LINDSEY? UM, I JUST WANTED TO GO OVER THE, UM, WHEN WE PRIORITIZE THE, WAS IT FOUR D UH, THE RECOMMENDATIONS? I REMEMBER ASKING ABOUT PUTTING GRANDVILLE HIGHER UP.
UH, I HAD SUGGESTED SECOND AND I THOUGHT WE LEFT IT THAT WAY, BUT IF I'M WRONG, CORRECT ME.
SO STREETS FIRST, GRANDVILLE, ARTS SECOND ECONOMIC, AND C, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
THIRD GATEWAY AND CORRIDOR IMPROVEMENTS.
FOURTH, IS THAT, UH, THE UNDERSTANDING OF THE COMMITTEE? YES, THE, THAT'S, UH, THAT'S THE MOTION THAT YOU'RE MAKING TO AMEND IT IS, DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, SECOND BY PETER.
ANY OBJECTIONS TO THAT? ALRIGHT.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER, UH, CORRECTIONS? I AM SORRY.
I TYPICALLY ASK FOR A, A VOTE AS AMENDED.
SO WE'LL GO, WE'LL GO WITH WITH THAT UNLESS SOMEBODY ELSE HAS AN OBJECTION.
ITEM FOUR, ITEM FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION.
SO, AS DIRECTED FROM THE MEETING, WE, UH, PUT TOGETHER THE DRAFT FINAL PRESENTATION, SLIDE DECK ADJUSTMENTS.
Y'ALL WANTED TO MAKE THIS LOOKS GOOD WITH Y'ALL'S ADJUSTMENTS.
AND MOVE FORWARD WITH, UH, THE NEXT MEETING GOING DIRECTLY INTO THE COUNCIL RECOMMENDATIONS.
WE'RE HERE TO MAKE ALL THE CHANGES, UH, THAT Y'ALL WANT IN.
THIS IS JUST BASED OFF OF THE FEEDBACK WE HEARD LAST TIME.
SO REALLY THE FIRST SLIDE IS JUST TO, UH, REALLY GET SOME BACKGROUND BACK TO COUNCIL.
AND YOUR TWO WILL BE WATCHING ON, UH, ALL THE WORK THAT Y'ALL HAVE PUT IN PUTTING IN THE LAST THREE MONTHS.
AND JUST GOING BACK TO WHAT WAS THE COUNCIL CHARGE AND THAT THIS WAS OUR MAIN FOCUS WAS TO ENSURE THAT WE WERE CREATING AMENITIES, IMPROVING LIABILITY, QUALITY OF LIFE, SUPPORTING THE RETENTION, EXPANSION OF EMPLOYERS AND ENCOURAGING OF UNDERUTILIZED PROPERTY, WHICH I THINK Y'ALL DONE JOB OF PRIORITIZING TO THIS DAY.
JUST MORE OF A, THIS IS JUST MORE OF A REMINDER TO COUNSEL TO BLESS.
AND THEN AGAIN, SOME MORE BACKGROUND.
WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF THIS? AND AGAIN, THE CHARGE FROM COUNCIL VALUE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE
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BUILDING OPPORTUNITIES, AND THE CITY OF GARLAND AND LY RECOMMENDATION CITY COUNCIL.AND THEN THE CITY COUNCIL WILL REVIEW RECOMMENDATIONS TO MAKE A CALL FOR A GENERAL OBLIGATION OF BOND ELECTION.
AND MAY
AND THEN I THOUGHT IT MIGHT IT BE A GOOD IDEA JUST TO SHOW THE TIMELINE OF ALL THE ACTIVITIES THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON OVER EVERY SINGLE MEETING.
I KNOW WE'VE BEEN GETTING UPDATES.
THIS IS JUST KIND OF THE FINAL, FINAL LOOK OF ALL THE MEETING, ALL THE PROGRESS WE'VE MADE, HOW WE STARTED KIND OF AT HIGH LEVEL OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CONCEPTS, FUNDING.
AND THEN WE STARTED DRILLING INTO THE CATALYST AREAS.
AND THEN FROM THE CATALYST AREAS WHERE WE'RE LOOKING TO BUCKET INTO, INTO THESE CHARGE BUCKETS.
AND THEN ULTIMATELY GETTING INTO PROPOSITION LANGUAGE, WHICH IS WHAT THIS SLIDE IS TALKING ABOUT.
HOW, HOW WE STARTED AT THE HIGH LEVEL OF CATALYST AREA.
WE HAD TO TARGET SPECIFIC AREAS OF TOWN THAT WE THOUGHT WERE GOOD FOR REDEVELOPMENT DEVELOPMENT.
WE WANTED TO THEN PACKAGE THOSE INTO SMALLER CHARGE BUCKETS FROM THE LAND ASSEMBLY INFRASTRUCTURE REVITALIZATION ALL THE WAY OVER TO THE
AND THEN FROM THERE, PRIORITIZE THE PROJECTS THAT ENDED UP IN THOSE BUCKETS TO ULTIMATELY GET IT INTO A, UH, PROPOSITION LANGUAGE.
AND THIS IS A SLIDE BASED OFF OF JUST FEEDBACK, KIND OF THE CRITERIA THAT WE USE TO EVALUATE THESE PROJECTS.
Y'ALL SEEN THIS SLIDE? YOU KNOW, WE WANT, OBVIOUSLY THE CHARGE IS THE NUMBER ONE THING WE WERE LOOKING AT.
WE ALSO WANTED TO SEE THE ECONOMIC IMPACTS OR POTENTIAL RETURNS.
HOW READY IS THIS PROJECT FOR IMPLEMENTATION? AND CAN WE FUND THIS IN ALTERNATIVE MANNER? I THINK IT WAS, UH, A KIND OF AHA MOMENT FOR OF US WHEN YOU LOOK THROUGH THE LIST OF THESE AND, UH, THE LONG LAUNDRY LIST.
THIS IS THE ONLY WAY WE CAN DO ANY OF THESE ACTIVITIES.
AND WE ALSO, ESPECIALLY WITH THE LAND ASSEMBLY, WANTED TO LOOK THROUGH THE POTENTIAL RISK AND BARRIERS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
SO THIS IS BASED OFF OF WHAT, WHERE WE LANDED LAST MEETING.
WE ROUNDED THIS UP TO 360 MILLION AND SHOWING THE TOTAL EVALUATED PROJECTS JUST SHY OF HALF A BILLION FOR 360 OF THE RECOMMENDATION FOR 25 MILLION IN LAND ASSEMBLAGE.
UH, THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS ASSOCIATED WITH THE STREETS AND ALLEY PROGRAM REVITALIZATION WITH THE ROUNDING.
I JUST KIND OF ADDED THE EXTRA TWO MILLIONS OF REVITALIZATION FOR THE DISCUSSION WE HAD ON THE, UH, HOME IMPROVEMENT INCENTIVE JUST TO PROVIDE THAT EXTRA MONEY IF THAT IS A POLICY THAT COUNCIL WANTS TO PUT INTO PLACE.
THE CORRIDOR ORDERS AND GATEWAYS ARE 20 MILLION AND THE DESTINATION AMENITIES AT 88 AND NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY AROUND AUGUST 7TH.
AND IMPORTANT NOTES, UH, NO TAX RATE INCREASE, UH, IS ESTIMATED WITH THIS.
AND, UH, AGAIN, WE INCLUDED THE STREET ALITY IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.
NOW, I THOUGHT WE COULD JUST DRILL DOWN INTO EACH ONE OF THE CHARGE BUCKETS OF WHAT WAS ADDED IN THERE.
AND ON MY NOTES, I JUST PUT THE LAND ASSEMBLY AS RECKON BE A CITYWIDE PROGRAM.
BUT THE EMPHASIS WAS ON THESE CATALYST AREAS.
AND THIS, THIS, UM, I WANTED TO GET Y'ALL'S OPINION ON THIS.
THIS SENTENCE WAS MOSTLY FOR, UM, WHEN YOU LOOK THROUGH THIS, THERE'S ONLY CERTAIN, UH, COUNCIL DISTRICTS BEING HIT.
BUT WE WANNA PROVIDE THE FLEXIBILITY AND THE COUNCIL TO BE ABLE TO REACT TO MARKET CHANGES AND TO BE ABLE TO PICK UP, PICK UP, UH, PARCELS OF LAND ACROSS THE CITY AS IT BECOMES AVAILABLE.
BUT WE WANTED TO TARGET THESE AREAS WITH HARBOR POINT DOWNTOWN AND DOWNTOWN BEING THE ART DISTRICT, SOUTH GARLAND AVENUE, AND THEN FOREST JUPITER WALNUT ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
THIS IS, UH, TONY DID A GREAT JOB OF EXPLAINING THE OCI PROJECT THAT THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR I GUESS OVER A YEAR NOW.
AND THE 208 MILLION IS JUST A ROUNDED 207.3 IS WHAT WE SHOWED YOU LAST TIME.
WE JUST ROUNDED THAT TO GET TO THAT 360 TOTAL BOND PACKAGE.
AND, UH, JUST WANTED TO PUT IN THERE, UH, ALL THE OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS, BECAUSE THIS IS PROBABLY THE BIGGEST CUT WAS IN INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE HAVE MADE FOR GOVERNOR MARY, UH, MARY BROACH DISTRICT TWO.
MY QUESTION, AND I KEEP THINKING ABOUT THIS ALL THROUGH THE WEEK, THAT 208 MILLION, DOES IT REQUIRE CITIZEN APPROVAL TO SPEND IT? IT DOES NOT REQUIRE CITIZEN APPROVAL TO SPEND IT, BUT THIS IS THE ONE THAT IS
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A STRATEGY TO SHOW OUR CITIZENS.WHAT, WHAT ARE YOUR PRIORITIES? ONE, WHAT ARE YOUR PRIORITIES? AND THEN TWO, WE INCREASE THE TAX RATE SIX AND A HALF CENTS AFTER THE BOND PROGRAM AND WE'RE UTILIZING THAT SIX AND A HALF CENTS TO FUND THIS RIGHT NOW.
IS THIS STILL YOUR PRIORITY? WE'VE GOT NEW INFORMATION.
IS THIS STILL YOUR PRIORITY? I, MY DEEP CONCERN IS IT'S GOING TO BE CONFUSING AND IT WILL LOOK LIKE WE HAVE SUDDENLY DOUBLED WHAT WE WERE GOING TO DO.
AND I'M, I'M WONDERING IF THIS IS NOT A COMMUNICATION ISSUE FOR THE CITY TO EXPLAIN TO THE CITIZENS HOW THAT MONEY, THE MONEY THAT IS COMING OFF OF THE HIGHER TAX RATE, THE HIGHER VALUES, WHATEVER IS BEING USED TO IMPROVE STREETS, THAT'S A DIFFERENT MESSAGE THAN PUTTING IT IN THE TOP OF THE BOND.
AND I, MY CONCERNS ARE VERY DEEP ABOUT THIS.
I THINK IT COULD SCUTTLE THE WHOLE THING, AND THAT'S MY OPINION.
OKAY, MR. CHAIRMAN? MR. CHAIRMAN.
JUST WANT, UH, TONY TORRES, DISTRICT EIGHT.
UM, PIGGYBACKING ON WHAT MS. MARY WAS SAYING AFTER LAST WEEK, WE HAVE TO GIVE SPECIAL CONSIDERATION TO THE MOOD OF THE TAXPAYERS, THE VOTERS OUT THERE.
UH, IT WAS A CHALLENGE, A CHALLENGE TWO MONTHS AGO WHEN WE FIRST STARTED HERE.
NOW IT HAS BECOME EVEN MORE SENSITIVE.
SO WE NEED TO, AS A, AS A COMMITTEE, WE NEED TO BE VERY, UM, UH, CONSCIOUS OF, UH, THE MOOD OUT THERE.
'CAUSE UM, LIKE I SAID, THE VERY FIRST MEETING OR SECOND MEETING, UH, THEY WERE PROMISED THE STREET'S GETTING FIXED AND THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
AND, UH, FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, AGAIN, WE, WE, WE NEED TO FACTOR THE MOOD THAT'S CHANGED OR IT BECAME MORE OBVIOUS.
ANYONE ELSE HERE? NOT THE, AND THE LAST SLIDE OF THIS, ONCE WE GET THERE, I DO HAVE, UH, KIND OF A OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS SLIDE THAT I REALLY WANT Y'ALL TO WEIGH IN ON.
BUT I DID CAPTURE THE COMMUNICATION ON WHAT HAPPENS WITH THIS STREET'S PORTION OF THIS IS CRITICAL AND WE, WE ARE AWARE, WE'RE AWARE OF THAT AS WELL.
AND IT NEEDS TO BE MESSAGED JUST RIGHT LINDSAY AND THEN BOB LINDSAY GELMAN.
UM, I GUESS WHAT HAPPENS IF THAT DOESN'T PASS THE STREETS, IF THAT DOESN'T PASS? WHAT? RIGHT NOW WE'RE USING, UH, SHORT TERM DEBT INSTRUMENTS, RIGHT.
WE COULD CONTINUE TO UTILIZE THAT TO FUND THE STREETS THERE.
WHAT WHAT BECOMES THE PROBLEM IS THERE'S, AT A CERTAIN LEVEL THAT WE MAY HAVE TO DO SOME FINANCIAL GYMNASTICS TO MOVE SOME THINGS AROUND.
BUT THAT, LIKE WHAT I TALKED ABOUT AT THE LAST MEETING TOO, THERE'S, THERE'S ALSO, FROM A FINANCING STANDPOINT, WHEN YOU'RE USING A SHORT TERM TAX NOTE FOR A VERY LONG USEFUL LIFE PROJECT, RIGHT? SIZING YOUR DEBT ASSU TO THE RIGHT TYPE OF PROJECT IS ALSO A BIG KIND OF INTERNAL THING THAT WE'RE LOOKING INTO ALONG WITH THIS, BECAUSE WE WITH A STREETS ASSET THAT LAST 20 YEARS, WE WOULD LIKE TO STRETCH OUT THAT DEBT SERVICE BECAUSE IT ONLY BENEFITS EVERYONE.
WE WANT TO LOOK AT TRYING TO FIND SHORTER THINGS LIKE A FIRE TRUCK, RIGHT? TALKED ABOUT THAT.
SO THERE'S ALSO THAT INTERNAL COMPONENT OF JUST BEING THE MOST FINANCIALLY PRUDENT WITH OUR DOLLARS.
IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A REALLY HIGH LEVEL COMPLEX THING FOR THE AVERAGE VOTER, INCLUDING MYSELF.
UM, THAT, LIKE, IF I LOOK AT THAT, I GO, WELL, WHAT WASN'T THAT ON THE LAST FUND AND WHAT HAPPENED? AND UM, AND LIKE I'VE HAD YOU EXPLAIN IT AND IT MAKES SENSE, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE VOTERS ARE GONNA GET THAT TOO.
AND I THINK IT'S A PRIME OPPORTUNITY TO GET THE WORD OUT THAT OF ALL THE WORK STREETS HAS DONE WITH THIS OCI THAT WE'VE DISCOVERED THIS, WE'VE BEEN POURING MONEY INTO THE STREETS PROGRAM, WE'VE DISCOVERED THAT HEY, OUR OCI IS NOT, NOT QUITE ADEQUATE OR QUITE WHERE COUNCIL WANTS IT.
WE KNOW THAT VOTERS, WE JUST WANT TO, THIS IS THE RANGE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IT IS ALSO KIND OF SETS EXPECTATION.
THIS IS WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THIS MONEY.
BOB DUCKWORTH, DISTRICT EIGHT.
UH, MATT, GOING BACK TO THE STUDY THAT WAS DONE, HOW MUCH OF THAT INFORMATION, UH, DO WE PLAN AS A CITY OR COUNCIL DO YOU THINK, TO MAKE PUBLIC OF WHAT STREETS ALLEYS ARE GONNA BE AFFECTED WITH THAT $208 MILLION? YES.
WELL, AS FAR AS THE, THIS, THE 208 MILLION
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AS FAR AS THE COMMUNICATION OUT TO THE PUBLIC, ONCE WE HAVE LIKE A SCHEDULE OF ALL THE STREETS BY YEAR THAT ARE BEING COMPLETED, WORKS PLANNING TO DO THAT.THERE'LL BE A, SO CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW THERE IS A SCHEDULE OF ALL THE STREETS THAT ARE GOING TO BE COMPLETED EACH YEAR.
AND WE'LL BE POSTING THAT FOR THE COMMUNITY TO SEE.
UH, VERY SIMILAR TO THE 2019 BOND PROGRAM OF, OF ALL THE PROJECTS AND WHERE THEY'RE AT.
AND YOU CAN SEE ALL THE LIST OF THE STREETS, BUT THEY NEED TO DO THEIR WORK UP FRONT TO CATEGORIZE, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE GOTTA LOOK AT LOGISTICS AND EVERYTHING ELSE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE DOING THE RIGHT STREET AT THE RIGHT TIME WITH THE RIGHT METHOD.
SO DO YOU THINK WHEN, WHEN COUNSEL MAKES THEIR RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITIZENS THAT THEY WILL PUBLISH THAT LIST, UH, TO THE CITIZENS, THIS IS OUR PLAN, HOW WE WILL USE THIS MONEY? I DON'T THINK THAT LIST WILL BE, SO THE QUESTION YEAH.
THE QUESTION IS, IS WILL THE LIST BE AVAILABLE IF COUNCIL CALLS THE ELECTION IMMEDIATELY THE FOURTH MADE? YEAH.
SO WE DON'T, WE WE'RE NOT GONNA TIE WHAT STREETS ARE GONNA BE, ALTHOUGH WE KNOW WHAT THEY ARE.
WE'RE WORKING FROM A PETITION OF THIS IS WHAT WE EXPECT TO BE ABLE TO EXPAND, BUT THERE'S ALSO RESOURCES ASSOCIATED WITH ANY OF THE STREET SURE.
REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE PROCESSES THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH.
SO WE'RE UNABLE TO, TO TIE THAT DOWN RIGHT NOW, KEEPING IN MIND THAT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT AN OCI THAT IS A SNAPSHOT IN TIME MM-HMM.
SO WE'LL HAVE TO GO OUT ONCE WE PRELIMINARY LIST, WE'LL GO THROUGH THAT AND WE'LL SEE.
IS IT STILL THAT, YOU KNOW, IS IT STILL LIKE A PRIORITY MM-HMM.
OR HAS SOMETHING ELSE MOVED UP AHEAD OF THAT? MM-HMM.
SO THIS IS DONE WITH YOUR PRELIMINARY LIST, BUT THEN IT'S REVISED ON ANNUAL BASIS.
SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO RELEASE A FIVE YEAR PLAN, UM, AT THE, I KNOW THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT THE VOTERS WANT SEE IS WHEN IS MY STREET COMPLETE? BUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS GO TO A PAVEMENT SYSTEM WIDE MANAGEMENT APPROACH TO BE ABLE TO, THIS STREET OVER HERE IS GOT TO BE DONE.
YOU GOTTA HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO DO THAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, YOU KIND A DOUBLE EDGED FORWARD PUT UP.
IT'S GOT YOUR STREET ON IT TO BE, WE COULD ALWAYS ADOPT IF SOMETHING HAPPENS WHERE PHYSICALLY FUNDRAISING RESOURCES WE HAVE TO PIVOT, DO SOME OTHER ROAD, AND THAT GETS MOVED DOWN THE, THAT'S GONNA RAISE RED FLAG AS WELL.
SO, WELL, MY QUESTION TIES INTO THE, TO THE COMMENTS OF THE OTHER COUN OF OTHER COMMISSIONERS, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SEVERAL MONTHS OUT BEFORE COUNCIL WILL ACTUALLY CALL THIS.
AND THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT, LOT OF CHANGES NATIONALLY, LOCALLY THAT THAT CAN AFFECT PEOPLE'S THOUGHTS AND INFRAS, YOU KNOW, HOW THEY'RE, HOW THEY'RE GOING TO APPROACH THIS.
AND I'M JUST THINKING THAT THE MORE DETAILS PEOPLE CAN GET, UH, THE, THE MORE APT THEY ARE TO SAY YEAH.
THAT, YOU KNOW, AND AS, AS TONY SAID, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO THROW MUD BACK ON PREVIOUS BOND ISSUES OR, OR UH, CITY STAFF, UH, BUT WE SAY, WELL, WE'RE GONNA GIVE US THIS MONEY AND WE WILL FIX THE STREETS.
BUT, YOU KNOW, STREET IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE, I'VE ASKED FOR IT TO BE REPAIRED SEVERAL TIMES AND IT'S STILL NEEDS IT, BUT I UNDERSTAND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A LOT BETTER THAN OTHERS THAT NEED TO BE REPAIRED.
SO THAT, THAT WAS MY THOUGHT PROCESS IS THAT, UH, AS, AS PART OF THIS GROUP, I, I THINK WE SHOULD RECOMMEND THIS TO COUNCIL, UH, GIVE THEM TIME IN THE NEXT THREE OR FOUR MONTHS TO, TO MASSAGE THIS ISSUE.
BECAUSE IT ALL COMES DOWN TO THE FACT WHAT THEY DECIDE TO PRESENT OUR, WE'RE JUST A RECOMMENDATION AND THEY'LL DECIDE FULLY WHAT TO PUT ON THAT BOND.
SO, AND WHAT INFORMATION TO PUT OUT TO THE CITIZENS.
AND MATT, IF I COULD, SO IF WE PUT THE 208 MILLION, I'M, I'M GLAD, UH, TONY FOUND THAT OTHER LIKE 700,000, SO YOU GET THE NUMBER ROUNDED THIS PAST WEEK.
UM, IF WE COULD GET THE, UH, ON THE BALLOT MEANS WE CAN TAKE THE, A LONGER NOTE, THE 20 YEAR NOTE, IS THAT RIGHT? VERSUS THE SHORT TERM NOTES? RIGHT.
WHERE, SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS, SO THAT'S THE ISSUE.
DO WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS OVER 20 YEARS OR WE'RE DOING ALL THIS SHORT TERM STUFF OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER FOR A PERIOD OF 20 YEARS AND THAT REALLY, THAT THERE'S A BENEFIT OF HEY, GETTING LONG TERM DEBT, UH, TO PAY FOR THIS.
SO THAT'S WHY WOULD IT WOULD BENEFIT TO BE ON THE BALLOT.
WE, I'VE LOOKED ONLY BACK TO 2019, BUT FROM 2019 ON ENTIRE STATE OF TEXAS, THE STREET'S PROPOSITION HAS NOT FAILED.
THIS IS THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY, NOT JUST OF OUR COMMUNITY, ENTIRE STATE, THE ENTIRE NATION.
AND THIS IS JUST TRYING TO GET US BACK INTO A FULL PAYMENT
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MANAGEMENT MODE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ON LIKE 150 YEAR REPLACEMENT SCHEDULE RIGHT NOW.SO THIS WON'T BE THE LAST TIME YOU'LL SEE A STREETS BOND ELECTION.
WE'VE GOT TO PUT MONEY IN IT IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A WELL MAINTAINED INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE CITY.
AND THEN HAVING THE LONG TERM DEBT JUST HELPS, HELPS EVERYBODY.
UH, RATHER THAN HAVING YOU GUYS JUMP THROUGH, OOPS, EVERY YEAR OR TWO YEARS OR WHATEVER IT IS TO ISSUE MORE NOTE AND MARY MAYOR BROBERG DISTRICT TWO, THE EXPLANATION YOU HAVE JUST GIVEN IS THE ONE THAT WILL HELP.
BECAUSE IF IT'S, IT'S PRUDENT TO DO A LONGER TERM FINANCE AS OPPOSED TO THE KIND OF THING YOU'RE HAVING RIGHT NOW WITH SHORT TERM NOTES.
BUT THAT NEEDS TO BE EXPLAINED.
EXPLAINED IN ENGLISH AND NOT LAWYER.
WELL, AND I SAW, I THINK WE SAW A SLIDE IN THAT WE, WHEN THEY WERE PRESENTING THIS TO COUNSEL ABOUT THE AMOUNT WE'VE SPENT ON STREETS STARTING IN 2013 VERSUS WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW AND THE GREEN BARS JUST GOT TALLER AND TALLER EVERY YEAR AND WE'RE THREE TIMES OF THAT THAT WE WERE DOING 10 YEARS AGO.
AND SO THAT ONE I THINK IS NOT WELL PUBLICIZED AND WILL HELP AS ONE SHOULD BE RIGHT UP THERE WITH WE'RE SPENDING MORE AND MORE.
DO YOU WANT US TO KEEP DOING THAT? AND OH, BY THE WAY, WE CAN DO BETTER IF WE GET 20 YEARS WORTH OF DEBT, THAT'S BETTER FOR ALL OF US.
I I THINK THIS IS, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT TRYING TO WRITE THE PUBLIC RELATIONS CAMPAIGN HERE ON THE SPOT, BUT YOU KNOW, WE CAN BE EXPLAINED IN PLAIN ENOUGH ENGLISH THAT PEOPLE GET IT THAN WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
I THINK SO THOSE PEOPLE MUCH BETTER AT THE MESSAGING THAN THEY I'M STRICTLY NUMBERS, SO SORRY.
BOB, BOB, YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE.
UH, MATT, YOU USED A, UH, TECHNICAL TERM, UH, WHICH MEANS I THINK IT MEANS BORROWING LONG TERM IS CHEAPER THAN DOING IT SHORT TERM ON THESE, WHAT WAS THAT? WHAT'S THAT? FINANCIAL YOU, YOU REFERRED TO? AND IT MEANS AN ACRONYM FOR IT'S MORE BENEFICIAL FOR THE CITIZENS AND THE TAXPAYERS TO DO IT LONG TERM THAN ON FIVE YEAR NOTES.
WELL, YEAH, REALLY WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO IS MAKE, MAKE IT EQUITABLE GENERATIONAL.
IT'S A GENERATIONAL BOND, RIGHT? SO THE PEOPLE YOU, YOU LIVING HERE TODAY SHOULDN'T TAKE ON THE FULL BRUNT OF $280 MILLION OF DEATH BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE THE FULL BENEFIT OF THE STREET.
SO YOU WANT TO TIE IT TO THE USEFUL LIFE, RIGHT.
AND ONE, IT SPREADS OUT THE COST OF THAT RIGHT.
BUT IT ALSO PUTS THE RESPONSIBILITY ON THE PEOPLE THAT WILL BE UTILIZING THAT ROADWAY OVER 20 YEARS.
I THINK, AND I THINK THIS, AS THEY'VE ALLUDED, THAT'S AN IMPORTANT FACTOR FOR US TO FEED INTO THIS EDUCATIONAL, FINANCIAL, IT HELPS WITH FINANCES AND IT ALSO HELPS WITH THE PERSON THAT'S UTILIZING THAT ROADWAY, RIGHT.
FROM A, FROM MORE OF AN ECONOMIC STANDPOINT OF IS PAYING FOR THAT THROUGH THEIR TAXES.
I MEAN, NONE OF US CAN, CAN LOOK OUT TO THE FUTURE OF THE NEXT 20 YEARS AND SAY WHAT THE INTEREST RATES ARE GONNA BE, BUT WE KNOW WHAT THEY ARE NOW AND WE CAN BORROW MONEY FOR 20 YEARS AT A, WHAT I THINK IS CONSIDERED A LOW RATE THAN CORRECT IN THE PAST.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS SLIDE HERE? ALRIGHT, LET'S, UH, LET'S GO ON HERE.
SO THE THREE BIG BUCKETS THAT WE HAD HERE WAS, YOU KNOW, THE HARBOR POINT, THIS BOARDWALK CONCEPT, UH, MORE I ADDED IN TRAILS AND IMPROVEMENTS JUST IN CASE THERE'S SOME OTHER ASPECTS WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE CAPTURED THE BOND PROPOSITION.
BUT TARGETING, YOU KNOW, THE HARBOR POINT AREA, UH, THERE'S THIS ED INCENTIVE WITH EMPHASIS ON MEDICAL DISTRICT, HARBOR POINT AND SOUTH GARLAND.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE RANDALL ART CENTER IMPROVEMENTS OF 25 MILLION.
AND THEN THE FINAL THREE BUCKETS WERE THE FOUR DOORS AND GATEWAYS.
UH, THE BIG KEY HERE IS ON REVITALIZATION THAT, UH, IS, FROM WHAT I HEARD LAST TIME, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S BOTH FACADE FROM SAW IMPROVEMENTS FOR SHOPPING CENTERS AND COMMERCIAL USE, BUT ALSO LOOKING INTO HOME REPAIRS AND HOME IMPROVEMENTS THAT COULD BE USED FOR REVITALIZATION AS WELL.
AND THEN ALSO, ALSO CONTINUING OUR LONGSTANDING NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY PROGRAM THAT'S BEEN GOING ON SINCE 2004 AND CONTINUING AT THE SAME LEVEL OF FUNDING THAT WAS RECEIVED FROM THE 2019 FUND PROGRAM.
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I'M JUST GETTING INTO THE RECOMMENDATION TO PROPOSED PACKAGING IT.AND ONE THING WAS SAID ON THE MINUTES, I, I, I LEFT, I, I THINK WE WERE GOING TO HAVE ARTS AT SECOND END.
WE GOT INTO WHERE LET'S PUT 'EM IN THE PRIORITIES.
SO THE LAST THING I HAVE WAS MUNICIPAL FACILITIES, WHICH I'M CHANGING THE MUNICIPAL FACILITIES NOW.
I'M NOT JUST PART, UH, SC RATHER THAN B, BUT IF WE NEED TO MAKE A CHANGE HERE, WE CAN DO THAT WITH THE GATEWAYS AND THEN PARK AND RECREATION.
THE LAST THING I, BUT WE CAN CHANGE THIS UP.
THAT'S WHAT I HAD IN MY NOTES.
THAT, THAT ORDER, I DON'T KNOW, I'M SORRY, KRISTEN.
AT THE LAST MEETING, UH, MR. MATT, THE POTENTIAL PROPOSITIONS BACK THEN, IT WAS A THROUGH E AND I HAD ASKED, UH, FOR AN ADDITIONAL COLUMN WITH, UH, FUNDING FROM THE PREVIOUS, UH, 19 BOND, UH, PACKAGE.
AS SOON AS YOU SAID THAT, I HAD FORGOT.
I CAN GET THAT SENT OUT, IF THAT'S OKAY.
DO Y'ALL WANNA SEE IT IN THE SLIDE DECK FOR COUNCIL? WELL, TO ME, UH, THAT WE'RE AT THIS POINT NOW, SO IT WOULD BE, UH, CRITICAL AS FAR AS MY PERSONAL.
AND THE, THE COLUMNS YOU WANTED ADDED.
THE MONEY FROM, UH, THE 19 BOND PACKAGE THAT WENT INTO THESE SPECIFIC AREAS, NOT, NOT INCLUDING, UH, A, BUT B, CDE, UH, HOW MUCH MONEY DID WE, DID WE ALLOCATE IN THE A CERTAINLY HAD 122 MILLION THAT WE AUTHORIZED.
ARE YOU WANTING HOW MUCH DID WE AUTHORIZE IN 2019? OR HOW MUCH HAVE WE SPENT? NO, HOW MUCH WAS AUTHORIZED? OKAY.
YEAH, BECAUSE I, I I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT 1 22 NUMBER STUCK WITH ME FROM, FOR STREETS.
WE'RE MISSING, WE'RE MISSING ONE PROPOSITION FROM A, FROM THE, FROM LAST WEEK'S.
THE HANDOUT I'VE GOT, I'VE GOT KRISTEN NEXT AND CHECK, UM, JUST A COMMENT.
AND I NOTICED ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE FOR INFO, UH, FOR DESTINATION AND AMENITIES, UM, IT READS ED INCENTIVES WITH EMPHASIS ON MEDICAL DISTRICT HARBOR POINT IN SOUTH GARLAND.
AND THEN ON THIS SLIDE THAT SOUTH GARLAND WAS DROPPED FROM THE MENTION.
I JUST WANTED TO ASK IF WE COULD ADD THAT BACK.
YEAH, SO SORRY, I DIDN'T SAY KRISTEN.
NO, ON THE NEXT SLIDE WITH YOUR RECOMMENDED PACKAGING, SOUTH GARLAND GOT REMOVED FROM THAT.
I JUST, I THINK THAT'S KEY FOR VOTERS AND DISTRICT FIVE AND REST IS SOUTH GARLAND.
I THINK ONE THINGS WE HAD TALKED ABOUT INTERNALLY FROM THIS DRAFT COUNCIL IS BREAK OUT SOME OF THOSE.
I MEAN, AGAIN, YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN THE BREAKOUT.
THEY HAVEN'T, SO WE'RE WHITTLING IT DOWN THE CROSSWALK BALLOT.
I BALLOT, THAT'S SOMETHING TALK SHOWS.
THERE ARE MORE THINGS THAT ARE WEDGED IN THERE.
THEY WON'T, THEY'LL END UP IN THE PUBLIC FACING INFORMATION AND EDUCATION COMPONENT, BUT NOT NECESSARILY THE OKAY.
CHIP AND THEN KIM CHIP VAN PEL.
UH, DO, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE, THE PROPOSITION LANGUAGE IN THE 2019, UH, BOND WAS FOR THE CITY? THE, THE STREETS? WHAT WAS IT? 'CAUSE WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT IT LAST, LAST MEETING, THAT WAS MONEY FOR SPECIFIC CONSTRUCTION AND EXPANSION OR SPECIFIC
THIS IS A COMPREHENSIVE OVERALL IMPROVEMENT.
SO IT'S A, IT'S A DIFFERENT ANIMAL THAT'S APPLES AND ORANGES.
SO, UH, I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE CLEAR ALSO.
'CAUSE UH, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, Y'ALL WERE TALKING ABOUT OH, WHERE, WHERE'D THEY FIX OUR, THEY WEREN'T GONNA FIX THE STREETS.
RIGHT? THAT WASN'T, IT WAS EXPANSION STREETS.
IT WAS GONNA BUILD SOME STREETS, BUT IT WASN'T FIXING ALL OUR, MY MY RESIDENTIAL STREET.
SO, UH, I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE CLEARED UP TOO.
THE, THE 2019 BOND MONEY SAID THIS STREET FROM A TO YES.
THIS STREET FROM HERE TO HERE.
THAT, AND IT COULDN'T BE DIRECTED TO SOME OTHER PROJECT.
THAT'S, THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S KIND OF KEY TOO.
COUNTER TO COUNTER COUNTER ANY KIND OF ARGUMENT.
LIKE HOW COME MY STREET, AND I DON'T KNOW IF ALL THOSE STREETS WERE LISTED ON THE BOND, ON THE BOND PACKAGE, BUT IT WAS IN THE DETAIL SOMEWHERE.
UH, MARY MAYOR BROACH DISTRICT TWO, UM, I THINK WHAT YOU WANT TO BE CERTAIN IS WE DON'T GET TIED INTO VERY SPECIFIC PROJECTS THAT IF THEY, IF SOMETHING GOES AWRY
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MM-HMM.SO IF WE CAN DO A BROAD STATEMENT ABOUT CITYWIDE STREET AND TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS THAT SAYS WE'VE DONE THE CONDITION REPORT.
WE KNOW WHERE OUR, OUR, I WAS JUST SUGGESTING THAT WE FUNDRAISE FOR POTHOLE OVER THERE, UM, THAT WE WILL USE THE CITY IS ON THE HOOK TO MAKE SURE THAT FUNDING IS USED AS WISELY AS POSSIBLE.
AND THAT'S THE THING THAT WE HAVE TO CONVINCE THE VOTERS.
AND THIS CLIMATE, TONY, YOU AND I HAVE HAD, HAD THE SAME THOUGHTS.
THEY'VE GOT TO KNOW THEY CAN TRUST IT.
SO SOME INDICATION OF WHAT WAS DONE WITH FARM MONEY AND IT, IT WAS DETAILED, BUT THIS ONE IS OPEN TO WHATEVER IS NEEDED AT THE, AT THE HIGHEST RATE OF RETURN FOR WHAT HAPPENS TO STREETS.
I THINK THAT'D BE AN IMPORTANT DISTINCTION WHEN WE'RE EXPLAINING THIS YEAH.
TO THE VOTERS THAT IN 2019 SPECIFIC PROJECTS, 2008 GIVES US A LOT MORE FLEXIBILITY TO DO IT THIS WAY.
FOR THE THINGS THAT NEED IT THE MOST.
THE THING I WORK WITH A BOARD WITH IS MAKING SURE WE HAVE PERMISSION TO WHATEVER WE NEED TO GET DONE.
KIM AND KIM ON DISTRICT FOUR, DIDN'T WE ALSO WANT TO SEE SOMEWHERE IN THIS, WHAT DISTRICTS WERE AFFECTED BY EACH GROUPING? OR THERE WAS SOMETHING ABOUT DISTRICTS, THE CERTAIN, I KNOW LIKE THE STREETS AND ALLEYS ARE GONNA BE THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE CITY, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT BEFORE.
DO YOU, DOES ANYONE REMEMBER THAT? I, I THINK SO.
IT WAS IN THOUGHT THAT WAS IN THE LAST PRESENTATION, I BELIEVE SO.
IT WAS, YEAH, WE HAD IT IN THE LAST PRESENTATION.
I DROPPED IT HERE BECAUSE WE WERE TRYING TO PACKAGE THESE AS CITYWIDE OKAY.
BUT WE CAN ADD IT BACK IF THAT'S WHAT Y'ALL WANT TO DO.
IT'S JUST, I DON'T OUTSIDE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU THINK OF ARTS CENTER DISTRICT TWO, BUT IT'S IMPACTING CITYWIDE.
I, I WOULD NOT BE IN FAVOR OF, OF DOING THAT.
SORRY, I THOUGHT WE AGREED NOT TO THAT.
WHO ELSE, MR. MADMAN? THE ANSWER IS TOMORROW OR THE ADDITIONAL CALL.
WELL, I HAVE IT HERE AND I MEAN, I CAN, WE'LL WALK THROUGH WHAT'S IN IT AND I CAN TELL YOU JUST FROM WHAT I GENERALLY KNOW, WHERE THEY'RE AT ON COMPLETION.
I CAN GET YOU AN ACTUAL COMMIT TOMORROW TO YOU.
SO WAS $116 MILLION IN THE, UH, 2019 BOND PROGRAM WAS 116 MILLION OR 112, I'M SORRY, 122.
AND THERE WAS A GOOD PORTION OF THAT THAT WAS RELATED TO NEW, LIKE TRAFFIC SIGNALS AND RAILROAD CROSSINGS.
SOME OF THAT MONEY IS STILL BEING WORKED THROUGH.
UH, THAT'S PROBABLY MORE OF A SEVEN TO 10 YEAR PROGRAM.
SO WE, WE STILL HAVE SOME OF THAT MONEY LEFT, SO WE DON'T REALLY NEED ANY ADDITIONAL RIGHT NOW.
BUT AS FAR AS ROADWAYS, THEY WERE, YOU KNOW, THE HOLFORD ROAD, A LARGE PROJECT, DAMON SCHOOL ROAD IS A LARGE PROJECT, 32.6 MILLION SHILOH ROAD SEGMENT, EIGHT OF 3 MILLION.
AND THEN, UH, THE HOLFORD ROADS WERE, UH, SIGNIFICANT AT, AT ROUGHLY 20 MILLION.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAD SOME, UH, MONEY SET ASIDE, 9 MILLION FOR SIDEWALKS, WHICH WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH THAT.
THE SECOND PROPOSITION WAS PUBLIC SAFETY.
THIS WAS PRIMARILY FIRE STATIONS AND THE EVIDENCE BUILDING AT POLICE AS WELL AS THEIR SHOOTING RANGE.
AND WITH THAT, THE FIRE STATIONS, I BELIEVE ARE WHEN THEY'RE SCHEDULED FIRE STATIONS.
FIRE STATION SIX IS AT THE BILL GARDEN THIS SATURDAY GETTING READY TO BE OPENING ONE AND SEVEN ARE UNDER DESIGN.
I, I, I DON'T MUCH SPECIFIC PROJECT SAYS THE AMOUNTS PER PROPOSITION.
THAT OVERLAY INTO THIS ONE HERE.
LET'S MAKE IT, OTHERWISE IT'LL BE HERE ALL NIGHT.
SO STREETS 122.2 MILLION, THE STREETS.
AND I'M, I'M, I'M USING THE, THE AND OUT FROM LAST MEETING, THE POTENTIAL PROPOSITIONS.
SO I'D LIKE THAT INFORMATION BROKEN DOWN INTO THE PREVIOUS PROPOSITIONS.
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THAT TO YOU TOMORROW? SEND IT OUT TO THE RECORD.WELL, DO YOU HAVE THE INFORMATION? WE CAN'T USE THE, UH, THE HANDOUTS FROM LAST TIME THE POTENTIAL PROPOSITION.
THAT'S THE POTENTIAL PROPOSITION FOR THIS ELECTION THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR THE 2019.
AND IT'S JUST A MATTER OF ANOTHER COLUMN THAT I WAS ASKING FOR.
FROM LAST, FROM THE 19 ON PROJECT, HOW MUCH OF THAT APPLIES TO TRANSPORTATION, ECONOMIC COMMUNITY, SO FORTH.
SO THIS BOND IS ALL ABOUT RESIDENTIAL STREETS THOUGH, RIGHT? WHEREAS 2019 WAS NOT ABOUT RESIDENTIAL STREETS.
WELL, THERE, THERE IS SOME COMPONENTS FOR OUR HERE.
AGAIN, IT'S A PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT SYSTEM TO BRING ALL, SO THIS IS HOW IT'S BROKEN.
ARTERIALS, WHICH ARE THE MAJOR ROADWAYS COLLECTORS, BUT THE BULK OF IT'S RESIDENTIAL AND BULK OF IT'S ALLEYS BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE LOWEST, LOWEST SCORING ALL THREE QUARTERS.
SO THE FOCUS IS ON THOSE TWO GROUPS.
AND THEN TONY, TO YOUR QUESTION, THE BULK OF THIS, OF THE 77 MILLION, WE GOT 46 MILLION IN THE 2019 PROPERTY WAS GONE.
UH, THE MENISCAL ACTUALLY, WHAT THAT WAS ALL LISTED UNDER PUBLIC SAFETY, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE A PUBLIC SAFETY PROPOSITION.
MUNICIPAL FACILITIES IN THE 2019 WAS, UH, THE STREETS BUILDING AND TRANSPORTATION BUILDING.
AND SO THOSE THREE, THE, THE THREE FIRE STATIONS AND THE POLICE STATION WERE KIND OF ALL MUNICIPAL FACILITIES.
IF WE KIND OF GROUP 'EM THAT WAY.
THEY WERE GROUPED AS PUBLIC SAFETY.
AND WHAT WAS THEY HAD ROOM IN AT PUBLIC SAFETY.
AND WHAT WAS THE NUMBER FOR PUBLIC SAFETY? IT KIND OF MATCHED UP 1.4 MILLION.
SO THAT KIND OF MATCHES UP WITH C WOULD YOU SAY? MM-HMM.
WE HAD A MUNICIPAL FACILITIES, UH, PROPOSITION IN 19 AS WELL, BUT THERE WAS ONLY 6 MILLION.
AND AGAIN, IT WAS STREETS AND TRANSPORTATION.
AND THEN GA UH, GATEWAY AND CORRIDORS.
NOT REALLY ANYTHING IN 2019 THAT NO, WE HAD MATCHED UP TO THAT.
WE DID HAVE SOME FUNDING FROM WHAT WE CALL BOTTLENECK.
BUT NOTHING WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE AS FAR AS LIKE AESTHETICS, WHICH, WHICH IS REALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
AND THEN PARKS AND REC WAS OVER A HUNDRED MILLION LAST TIME.
CORRECTED 17.8 WAS FOCUSED HEAVILY ON RECREATION CENTERS AND TRAILS.
WELL, I I THINK YOU ADD THE COLUMN AND SEND A CHART OUT TO US.
BUT THAT GIVES US A, THAT GIVES US A THUMBNAIL SKETCH OF THAT.
SO, UH, SHARONDA, UM, OUT OF THAT, THE CITYWIDE STREETS, YOU SAID THERE WAS 122.2 MILLION, RIGHT? YEAH.
FROM, FROM 2019 OUT OF THAT, HOW MUCH IS REMAINING THAT I'LL HAVE TO CHECK WITHOUT, IF I HAD TO GUESS, IT'S PROBABLY 50%.
AND AGAIN, THE ISSUE WITH THE LAST BOND ELECTION WAS, THIS WAS TOTALLY DIFFERENT ON THE ROAD, WAS WHEN YOU LOOK AT NAME AND SCHOOL ROAD, IT, THERE WAS LAND ACQUISITION THAT HAD TO TAKE PLACE.
IT'S A VERY LONG PROJECT TO GET THAT DONE, TO EXPAND THAT ROADWAY.
WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS JUST YOUR RESIDENTIAL ROADS.
WE'RE NOT, WE'RE LOOKING TO, UH, REALLY IMPROVE TRAFFIC.
IT'S JUST FIXING THAT'S THERE.
AND THEY'RE WAITING FOR IMMINENT DOMAIN TO TAKE ITS COURSE.
SO IN THE 2019, YOU THINK THAT 122 MILLION'S BEEN SPENT A LOT FASTER? IF WE DIDN'T HAVE TO ACQUIRE LAND TO WIDEN STREETS AND ALL, IF WE WERE JUST FIXING THE STREETS, IT'D BE, THOSE ARE FIVE TO SEVEN YEAR PROJECTS.
THEY'RE JUST, THEY TAKE TIME BECAUSE YOU GOTTA GET THE LAND, WHICH IS JUST DIFFICULT.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I I THINK TO TONY'S POINT, HASN'T BEEN MADE CLEAR IS TO, SOME OF THESE ARE JUST TAKING YEARS AND YEARS, HALF DECADES, YOU KNOW, TO GET, TO GET DONE BECAUSE OF HOW HUGE THE PROJECT IS.
SO I COULD MAKE ONE OBSERVATION ABOUT THAT.
THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON INTERSTATES 35, GOING TO TON UNIVERSITY IN TEXAS,
AND I'M, I'M ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN WE
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TRAINED MOST OF THE CIVIL ENGINEERS IN THE STATE ON THATI REMEMBER DRIVING UP TO GO TO GRADUATE SCHOOL CLASSES GOING HOW MANY TIMES? YEAH.
THE 2019 WAS HEAVILY, THE PROJECTS THAT WERE HEAVY ON ARE WHAT INTERNALLY OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
THERE'S TONS OF ENGINEERING, CIVIL ENGINEERING WORK, AND THEN YOU GOTTA GET INTO LAND RIGHT HERE.
YOUR RESIDENTIAL STREETS AND YOUR ALLEYS GETTING THOSE UP TO PAR.
ARE WE DONE THE BOTTLE? I, I'M GETTING BACK TO ACCOUNTABILITY HERE A LITTLE BIT.
WILL THAT OCI STUDY BE PUBLIC INFORMATION? YES, IT DID.
SO IF WE SAY WE'RE GONNA FIX STREET THE WORST STREETS, GO LOOK IT UP.
IF IT'S YOUR STREET CALL YOUR COUNCILMAN
WELL, YOU CAN ALWAYS CALL YOUR COUNCIL.
HE'S THERE TO SERVE WHERE SHE, I'M JUST SAYING STREET BY STREET.
BUT IF THAT'S AVAILABLE AND, AND SOMEBODY'S INTERESTED, THEY SAY MY STREET IS ONE OF THE SHOULD BY DEFINITION FIT UNDER THIS BOND PROGRAM.
I KNOW IT'S NOT GONNA BE PERFECT.
LET'S GO ONTO THE NEXT SLIDE HERE AND SEE WHERE WE END UP.
SO REALLY THIS IS THE SLIDE WHERE I WANTED TO REALLY TAKE IN Y'ALL'S FEEDBACK ON, SO Y'ALL ARE RECOMMENDING A PROPOSITION, BUT THIS SLIDE IS MEANT TO CAPTURE ALL THE OTHER THINGS Y'ALL WANT THEM TO CONSIDER.
UH, FOR INSTANCE, UH, I PUT COMMITTEE STRESS, THE NEED TO COMMUNICATE.
I HEARD THIS LAST TIME, THERE'S NO TAX RATING ESTIMATED THAT HAS TO BE HEAVILY COMMUNICATED SO THAT THEY KNOW THAT THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WILL RAISE THEIR TAX RATE.
UH, I DID PUT IN THERE ON THE REVITALIZATION, I HEARD LAST TIME THAT Y'ALL WERE HEAVILY IN FAVOR OF NOT JUST COMMERCIAL SHOPPING CENTERS, BUT RESIDENTIAL HOUSING IMPROVEMENTS AS WELL.
ANOTHER BIG PRIORITY THAT WE'VE HEARD THROUGHOUT THIS WHOLE THING WAS NOT JUST THE GAR RANDALL ARTS CENTER, BUT FURTHERING CULTURAL ART IN DARLAND IS A HIGH PRIORITY.
THE ECONOMIC PROPOSITION IS MEANT TO BE CITYWIDE.
BUT Y'ALL ARE WANTING EMPHASIS ON, I GUESS, SOUTH HERE.
MEDICAL HISTORY, HARVARD POINT, SOUTH GARLANDS, LIKE A HEAVYWEIGHT FIGHTER.
IT'S IN SOUTH, IT IS ONE I KIND OF STRUGGLE WITH THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE MOST, IS WE REALLY GOTTA FOCUS ON CLARIFYING WHAT THIS MEANS TO THE VOTERS.
AND SPECIFICALLY HOW THIS BOND IS DIFFERENT.
THE 2019 BOND PROGRAM THEN ON THE STREETS, HOW THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE 2019, THIS ENTIRE BOND PROGRAM.
IT'S NOT THE, IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IS TRADITIONALLY SHOWN TO VOTERS.
SO THAT THE COMMUNICATION IS, IN MY OPINION, THE NUMBER ONE KEY HERE.
BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE DOING IS NOT A TRADITIONAL BOND PROGRAM.
THIS IS VERY, VERY MUCH A, A BOND PROGRAM THAT'S GEARED TOWARDS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WHICH MEANS THAT THERE'S MORE VAGUENESS TO IT, WHICH MEANS YOU GOTTA GET THE VOTERS ON BOARD WITH YOU ON THAT TRAIN AND MEET THAT STRATEGIC PLAN FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEN THE PART PROPOSITION, RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE THAT BUCKET THAT IS PAR AND RECREATION, BUT UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S FOR THIS BOARDWALK CONCEPT, BUT WE WANTED TO ADD IN SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FOR FLEXIBILITY FOR OTHER PARK IMPROVEMENTS IN THE AREA.
AND THEN NOW I GUESS THAT, THAT'S REALLY THE LAST SLIDE.
I REALLY WANTED TO FOCUS ON THIS ONE, BUT ANY OTHER SLIDE, ANY OTHER INFORMATION Y'ALL NEED TO MAKE DECISIONS, I'LL PUT THE INFORMATION OUT TO ALL OF Y'ALL ON THE 2019 2025 AND IF Y'ALL WANT ANYTHING CHANGED HERE OR WANT COUNSEL TO KNOW IF ANYTHING ELSE THAT Y'ALL WANT THEM TO CONSIDER.
UH, WELL, UH, LINDSEY FIRST, LINDSEY GELMAN.
UM, CAN YOU OR SOMEONE CLARIFY THE, THE RESIDENTIAL HOUSING IMPROVEMENTS ARE FALLING UNDER REVITALIZATION, BUT AREN'T THOSE PART OF NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY OR, WE WERE KIND OF TALKING ABOUT IT AS NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY LAST TIME, BUT I I, I JUST PUT IT IN REVITALIZATION BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO DO.
IT, IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER WHICH BUCKET YOU PUT IT IN.
MORE THAN LIKELY BECKY'S MANAGING IT.
SO
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NEIGHBOR ADVICES HOW IT'S KIND OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND, AND BEAUTIFICATION FROM THAT STANDPOINT.BUT THIS IS AN ACTUAL HOUSING PROGRAM.
BUT BECKY, IF I COULD YOU, UH, LAST WEEK HAD PROPOSED, I THINK WHAT YOU SAID WAS SOME ADDITIONAL THINGS THAT NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY COULD COVER THAT IT DOESN'T TODAY.
IS THAT THE OTHER PROGRAMS, THE OTHER, SOME SOME NEW PROGRAMS OR SOME, SOME OTHER PROGRAMS THAT NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY WOULD NOT APPROVE THAT REQUEST TODAY? IS THAT, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE REMEMBERING IS, UM, I JUST MADE THE POINT THAT WE'RE, WE'RE ADDING THE, THE LEGAL ABILITY TO USE THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY FUNDS ON A HOUSING REVITALIZATION PROGRAM.
BUT IF WE, SINCE WE'RE NOT USING THOSE FUNDS IN THAT MANNER TODAY, IF WE REDIRECT THOSE FUNDS TO A HOUSING PROGRAM, THAT MEANS WE BE TAKING FUNDS AWAY FROM SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE DID.
SO THERE'D BE A, IT'S A FIXED AMOUNT OF MONEY.
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF DECIDING HOW IT'S BEEN.
WELL I BUT YOU ALSO SAID THE, THE CURRENT AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE AUTHORIZED IN 2019 WON'T BE SPENT FOR TWO MORE YEARS YET, DID I, IT IT WILL BE EXHAUSTED IN 2016.
IT'LL BE EXPENDED IN 2026, BUT IT'S ALREADY PRETTY MUCH ALLOCATED TO OKAY.
SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF LOGISTICS AND TIME THAT THAT MONEY IS, IS ACTUALLY SPENT.
WE DON'T HAVE A, A COUPLE YEARS WORTH OF MONEY THAT'S UNALLOCATED OR UN WHERE NO ONE'S THOUGHT ABOUT IT.
'CAUSE I'M THINKING, WELL, IF THE TOOK FROM 2019 TILL 2026 TO SPEND THE 7 MILLION, WHY WOULD WE DO MORE THAN THAT IF THERE'S STILL THAT MUCH MONEY LEFT OVER? BUT IT'S JUST WAITING FOR PROJECTS TO START THAT ARE ALREADY, UH, COVERED BY THAT OBLIGATED, UM, THING.
IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER TO ME.
SO, NO, I, I WAS JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR ON WHAT'S, WHAT'S COVERED AND WHAT'S NOT AND WHERE, WHERE THAT, BECAUSE THEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITIES HAVE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF IT SEVERAL TIMES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
THERE'S SOME SPECIFIC RULES OF THINGS THEY WILL AND WILL NOT DO.
AND SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE WERE AT CHANGING THOSE RULES AT ALL, UH, AND WHETHER THAT WARRANTED THE, ANY MORE MONEY FOR THAT PROGRAM.
SO, ANYWAY, DID I SEE ANY HAND? NO, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY IS A KNOWN, KNOWN THING.
AND I'D HATE TO ALTER IT BECAUSE IT, AMONG THE NEIGHBORHOODS, IT'S, IT'S KNOWN FOR WHAT IT IS AND HOW THE PROCESS WORKS.
AND I HATE TO, IT'S NOT SUDDENLY, YOU KNOW, I, I KIND OF LIKE KEEPING IT AS IT IS.
UH, UH, TIM AND THEN RICKY, I WANT TO GO BACK TO JUST A LITTLE BIT TO THE BOARDWALK.
UH, IS THAT, I NEVER WAS QUITE SURE WHAT THAT WAS OR WOULD BE.
UH, IS IT JUST A WALKWAY? IS THAT ALL IT IS WHERE YOU GO KISS YOUR GIRLFRIEND OR THROW A FISHING LINE INTO THE LAKE OR YES.
SOMEBODY, SOMEBODY GETS SASKATCHEWAN ATLANTIC CITY.
WHAT HE'S TO, THAT'S THE DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT WOULD BE PROJECTED.
AND I WOULD MAYBE MAKE THE SUGGESTION BECAUSE BOARDWALK COULD MEAN DIFFERENT THINGS TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
WHAT I DO KNOW IS WHAT PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW IS WHY CAN'T I GET TO THE LAKE? AND SO I WOULD, MIKE, WE MIGHT TINKER WITH THE WORDING OF, UM, PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE WATERFRONT OR THE LAKEFRONT, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
DOES THAT GIVE US A LITTLE BIT BROADER? I KNOW WE'VE ALSO GOT YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION ABOUT OTHER TYPES OF ACCESS.
I THINK THAT GIVES US SOME LATITUDE.
SO THE BOARD BOARDWALK IS A PARK ITEM, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE EXPANDED TO PUT, UH, TO PUT BUSINESSES ON THAT BOARDWALK.
THAT, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE, THE CONCEPT IS, IS IT'S A CATALYST TO HELP IT BE AN ATTRACTION TO, BECAUSE WE WE'RE GONNA TALK WITH DEVELOPERS, IT'S LIKE, OKAY, I CAN DO THIS, BUT I STILL CAN'T GET MY GUESTS OR WHATEVER.
LET'S SAY IT'S A HOTEL OR A MULTI-FAMILY.
WHAT ARE THEY GONNA DO WHEN THEY GET HERE THAT WILL HELP CATALYZE, THAT'S THE WORD WORDS.
BUT I'M THINKING IN TERMS OF HOW THE BOARD, COULD YOU SPELL THAT FOR COURTNEY? PLEASE? GENERATE ITS OWN REVENUE AND THAT THERE ARE BOARDWALK ALL OVER THE PLACE WITH, UH, BUSINESSES ON TOP OF THEM AND NOT JUST A PLACE TO THROW YOUR FISHING LINE INTO THE LAKE.
SO YOU MEAN LIKE A HOT DOG CART OR A SLUSHY STAND OR, OR EVEN MORE THAN A HOT DOG CART.
MORE THAN NO, I'VE BEEN TO THOSE IN BALTIMORE THAT HAVE REVENUE PRODUCING RESTAURANTS ON THE BOARDWALK AND OTHER PLACES THAT DO THAT SAME THING.
THE SCOPE OF THIS WOULD PROBABLY NOT BE LARGE ENOUGH TO HANDLE THAT KIND OF STRUCTURE.
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WELL, THAT WOULDN'T FOR THAT.BUT THE IDEA WAS IT DOESN'T PRODUCE ANY REVENUE PER SE, AND IT'S POSSIBLE TO MAKE IT PRODUCE REVENUE PER SE.
YEAH, THAT'S WHERE MY POINT IS.
SO LIKE A PRO BASS, PARDON? LIKE PRO BASS CONCEPT? WELL, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT PRO BASS, BUT I'M THINKING OF OTHER CITIES NOT HERE IN GARLAND.
UH, THEY CALL IT HOUSTON'S GOT PLACES LIKE THAT.
UH, CORPUS CHRISTI DOES OTHER PLACES AND, AND, UH, THE ATLANTIC SIDE DO IN THE PACIFIC OCEAN.
THERE ARE PLACES LIKE THAT THAT PRODUCE REVENUE AND UH, UH, THERE ARE POPULAR PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO GO.
AND THIS IS JUST A SIDEWALK, BUT IT DOES GIVE YOU SOME ACCESS TO THE LAKE.
SO RICKY'S NEXT, RICKY MCNEIL ON DISTRICT ONE.
UM, UH, MATT, IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO THE, UH, PROPOSAL LANGUAGE SLIDE, PLEASE.
ON, UH, YES, ON BULLET TWO, UH, JUST FOR CONSIDERATION, COULD WE LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE REVITALIZATION OF COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL, INCLUDING IS PUTTING THAT, THAT LANGUAGE FIRST? SURE.
REVITAL, INSTEAD OF STARTING OFF RESIDENTIAL HOUSING, BASICALLY REVITALIZATION OF COMMERCIAL, RESIDENTIAL, UH, CATALYST AREAS INCLUDING, UH, CITY PROGRAMS, YADA, YADA, YADA.
BUT BASICALLY STARTING OFF THE, THE PARAGRAPH DIFFERENTLY.
YEAH, I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA.
PRIORITIZING THE BUCKET COMMERCIAL.
WHATEVER YOU PUT FIRST IS GOING TO BE WHAT THE CONCENTRATE ON THE FIRST THREE WORDS.
THAT'S PROBABLY HOW WE WOULD WORD THE PROPOSITION ANYWAY.
IT'S INCLUDING, ALRIGHT, JOE AND THEN MARY, UH, JOSEPH VERO, DISTRICT TWO.
UH, JUST A LITTLE CLARIFICATION ON THE BOARDWALK IDEA.
I'M PRETTY SURE THE IDEA WAS WE GET THE BASIC INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE BOARDWALK YEAH.
SO IT'S GONNA BE AN INVESTMENT AND IT'LL MAKE, PROBABLY TAKE SOME TIME, BUT, UH, JUST GETTING IT STARTED, GETTING IT GOING, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE WANNA DO.
YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE THE, THE FUNDS RIGHT NOW TO, YOU KNOW, DO YOU KNOW SRA IS A GREAT IDEA OF THE FERRIS WHEEL, BUT HEY, DOWN THE LINE, THAT'S THE GOAL, RIGHT? BUT FIRST WE GOTTA GET THE CAPITAL, UH, THERE BY MAKING IT ATTRACTIVE TO EVEN WANNA BUILD THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
SO THAT'S, JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT FOR THE RECORD ABOUT THE, UH, HARBOR POINT IDEA.
MARY MAYOR BROACH DISTRICT TWO.
MIKE COMMENT IS SIMILAR TO YOURS, IS THE NAMING IT THE BOARDWALK, I THINK HAS CAUSED IT TO BECOME A THING.
AND IN REALITY IT IS AN ATTRACTIVE POSSIBILITY TO, TO GET OTHERS TO INVEST IN.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE COULD GO BUILD THE FOOL THING AND NOBODY WOULD SHOW UP EXCEPT THOSE WHO WANTED TO GO FISH.
BUT IF IT'S DONE IN CONNECTION WITH ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT, THEN THAT'S WHERE THE VITALITY COMES FROM.
AND I, I KNOW THAT THE BALTIMORE HARBOR IS A GOOD, GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU COULDN'T EVEN GET TO IT.
BUT WHEN THEY WERE ABLE TO GET DEVELOPERS AROUND THIS CONCEPT THAT MADE THE DIFFERENCE, AND THAT'S BEEN THE, THIS WHOLE NOTION THAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO TALK THROUGH AS A, AS A COMMITTEE IS THIS IS TO CREATE TRACTORS FOR FURTHER INVESTMENT.
AND IF I, I'M A LITTLE AFRAID IF WE JUST PUT BOARDWALK UP THERE, THAT'S, SOMEBODY'S GONNA SAY, WELL, WHY? OF COURSE YOU CAN'T GET DOWN TO THE WATER ANYWAY.
BUT IT'S JUST, AGAIN, GUYS, THIS IS A SALES PITCH AND A HALF, IT'S GOTTA HAPPEN.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT FIXING WHAT'S WRONG, IT'S CREATING A FUTURE FOR GARLAND.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS ALL ROULETTES.
SO EVEN JUST HAVING A NAME ON IT IN THE FIRST PLACE COULD ATTRACT SOME KIND OF INVESTORS, SOME KIND OF INTEREST, YOU KNOW, JUST MAKING IT A SPOT RIGHT NOW, IT'S NOT, NOT A NAME, YOU KNOW? YEAH.
SO I JUST THINK, YOU KNOW, GOTTA START SOMEWHERE CALLING IT THE BOARDWALK.
CALL IT THE GREAT WHITE WAY OR SOMETHING.
GIVE IT A, GIVE IT A SPIFFY NAME.
GIVE IT, WELL, WATERFRONT ACCESS, I THINK NOW THAT'S NOT A THING, THAT'S A CONCEPT.
AND HOWEVER WE DEVELOP IT IS, IS A AND MAYBE A BETTER WAY TO GO.
BOARDWALK'S BEEN OUR WORKING NAME HERE.
THE THING IS EASY TO UNDERSTAND, BUT HAVING ACCESS TO THE SHORELINE LET'S PUBLIC ACCESS.
WE GOT 10 MILES OF IT, LET'S USE SOME OF IT.
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WASH WHAT WE'VE BEEN SAYING.LINDSAY GELMAN, UH, JUST KIND OF MORE OF A MAYBE UNNECESSARY, BUT I, I WAS LOOKING AT THE SECOND BULLET POINT.
UM, WHAT ABOUT LISTING COMMERCIAL BEFORE RESIDENTIAL? YEAH, WE JUST, OH, WE DID, OH, SORRY.
ANYBODY ELSE? JUST, UH, REFRESH MY MEMORY.
HOW MUCH OF THE PROPERTY, THE LAKESHORE PROPERTY, THE CITY OF DALLAS OWNED THE WATER.
THE WATER, THE CITY OF CAR, THE WATER IN, IN THIS CASE, THEY DON'T OWN ANY OF IT.
THIS, THIS IS PRIVATE, SO THAT'S CLEAR.
SO, SO WHAT THEY OWN IS THE WATER.
SO ANYTHING WE DO OVER THE WATER, WE JUST HAVE TO PERMIT THROUGH 'EM, WHICH JUST, IT'S NO BIG DEAL.
BUT, SO THE CITY OWNS A PIECE KIND OF RIGHT HERE, UM, KIND OF WHERE THERE'S SOME RESTAURANTS THERE NOW THAT'S PRIVATELY OWNED.
UM, WE LEASE THE LAND UNDERNEATH THE BASS PROB TO THAT.
WE OWN IT, BUT THE LEASE IS TOO VERY COMPLICATED.
BUT THE LEASE IS TO SOMEBODY THAT OWNS THE BUILDING ON OUR LAND.
SO THERE IT IS A MIX OF CITY OWNED AND PRIVATELY OWNED OF THE ACTUAL LAND, RIGHT UP TO THE, THE BREAK THE WALL WE'RE FREE AND CLEAR ON THE LAND.
IT'S ONCE WE GET TO THE WATER THAT WE GOTTA MESS WITH.
SO IF YOU GO AROUND LIKE TO THE JOHN PAUL JONES SIDE, THAT BECOMES THE DALLAS TAPE AREA BECAUSE IT'S IN FLOOD FLOW THAT, THAT'S TECHNICALLY DALLAS LAND.
THIS IS A LONG OFFERING, BUT TO EVERYBODY'S POINT, THE WORDING WILL GIVE US SOME FLEXIBILITY TO THIS PIECE HASN'T BEEN DEVELOPED YET.
SO THEN WE CAN, WHATEVER THIS LOOKS LIKE, THEN BE COBBLED INTO THEIR DEVELOPMENT, GET IT OVER, GET THEIR BUILDING OVER THE WATER IN A TOTALLY DIFFERENT WAY.
SO I THINK EVERYBODY'S SAYING THE RIGHT THINGS AS IT RELATES TO THIS AND IT JUST, THAT WORDING GIVES US A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY WHEN THE OPPORTUNITY STRIKES.
SO DO YOU THINK THAT WOULD BE BIBLICAL? IS THERE ALREADY SOME WATERFRONT RESTAURANTS THERE? THAT'S RIGHT.
AND SO YOU, YOU MIGHT BUILD THAT CLOSE ENOUGH TO WHERE THEY WOULD DECIDE TO EXPAND THEIR BUILDING WHERE YOU COULD HOP RIGHT OFF ONTO THE BOARDWALK OR FROM BOARDWALK RIGHT INTO THE RESTAURANT ONCE THE, ONCE THE THING IS THERE.
WELL, THERE'LL BE A POINT TOO WHERE I THINK THAT AS YOU KNOW, SUCCESS BREEDS SUCCESS AND DEVELOPMENT START TO REALLY TAKE OFF.
THEN IT BECOMES A POINT WHERE IT'S LIKE, I CAN DO BETTER THAN THIS ONE STORY RESTAURANT.
WE JUST WANT THEM TO GET THEIR TOE IN THE WATER SO WE CAN GET IT DONE.
ANY OTHER, UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DISCUSSION? MA'AM, COULD YOU GO BACK TO KRISTEN? UH, SORRY BOB.
I, I RECOGNIZE KRISTEN FIRST AND THEN YOU JUST, JUST A COMMENT.
I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THAT WITH, I THINK YOU DID A GREAT JOB OF THE LANGUAGE, THE FIRST PASS AND I THINK WITH SOME OF THE COMMENTS HERE ADDED, I, I THINK IT LOOKS, LOOKS GOOD TO SUPPORT, SUPPORT THAT LANGUAGE THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.
UH, ON THE NEXT SLIDE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIFIC LANGUAGE FOR THE STREET PART.
WE'LL, WE CAN, AND YOU NEED TO, AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF THE PREVIOUS SLIDE WAS INTENDED TO BE A PART OF THIS PROPOSITION LANGUAGE.
I'M DEBATING JUST LEFT IT BECAUSE ALL THE BOND REALLY NEEDS TO BE, IT'S DIFFERENT THAN 2019 IF YOU WANT.
WHAT KIND OF WORDING WOULD Y'ALL LIKE TO SEE ON THE STREETS? IS IT JUST SIMPLY EXPLAINING THAT THIS IS A, IT'S A RESIDENTIAL ALLEYS AND, AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THE, I I WOULD THINK SO.
THE CITIZENS KNOW IT'S, IT'S FOR STREETS AND ALLEYS.
IT'S NOT FOR THOROUGH AFFAIRS.
IT'S NOT FOR NAMING AND SCHOOLS OR BRAND ROAD TYPE PROJECTS.
IT'S WHERE YOU LIVE AND WHERE YOU GO EVERY DAY TYPE OF TERMINOLOGY.
SO I, I THINK THAT GETS LOTS CLOSER TO THEIR HEART THAN IT'S GONNA BE, HAVE SOME UNKNOWN TO IT.
BUT SPECIFICALLY, AND I THINK SOMETHING WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE WAS WE HOPE TO DO THIS IN THE NEXT FIVE OR SIX YEARS TOO.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE A 14 YEAR PROJECT OR WHATEVER.
AND THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S A REALLY STRONG SELLING POINT.
YOU'RE GONNA SEE THIS HAPPEN IN THE NEXT FIVE OR SIX YEARS OR SO, DEPENDING ON ECONOMIC FACTORS, ET CETERA.
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ONE MORE QUESTION.SO I THINK WE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE PRIORITIZE BASED OFF OF WHAT WE THOUGHT THE HIGHEST PRIORITY.
SO I THINK I, IN THE WORKING COPY HAD SOMETHING LIKE, NUMBER ONE PRIORITY IS STREETS AND ALLEYS.
WOULD SOMETHING LIKE THAT WORK? MM-HMM.
AND WHAT ABOUT, UM, A LITTLE EXPLANATION ABOUT RESTRUCTURING OF THAT DEBT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE OR NOT, BUT I THINK IT MIGHT BE.
THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE BULLET POINTS ON STREETS, THAT'S A OTHER, YOU GOT WHOLE OTHER SLIDE THAT THE DIFFERENCES IN STREETS 2019 VERSUS STREETS.
SO A FINANCIAL STRATEGY TO BEST BANG THROUGH YOUR BUCK FROM A, FROM, FROM A TAXPAYER STANDPOINT TO GET THE MOST STREETS DONE.
I THINK THEY SEE THREE QUARTERS OF THAT MONEY GOES TO RESIDENTIAL STREETS AND ALLEYS.
THAT'S GONNA BE AN TO THAT GO MARY.
IS THE CITY PLANNING ON HIRING A, A MARKETER TO GET THIS OUT IN LANGUAGE TO OUR, OUR FOLKS.
WE HAVE A MEETING TOMORROW TO DISCUSS THAT
I JUST WANTED IN ENGLISH, SPANISH AND WHATEVER ELSE IT NEEDS TO BE, BUT, BUT PLAIN
IT'S SOMETHING I WANT TO THINK ABOUT AS A GROUP AND, AND YOU GUYS STAFF AS YOU COME TO PUT THIS TOGETHER, THAT I THINK HISTORICALLY IN MOST ELECTIONS, THE OLDER PEOPLE IN YOUR CITY GO OUT AND VOTE ON THESE THINGS.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO BE VERY COGNIZANT OF THAT FACT THAT THAT OR SENIOR CITIZENS ARE GONNA HAVE A HEAVY, UH, SAY IN THIS ELECTION OR IN THIS PROPOSITION WHEN WE PUT IT TO 'EM.
SO, UH, WORD IT SO IT REACHES TO EVERYBODY.
WHO ELSE? WELL, UM, WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? I'M, I THINK WE'RE DONE.
THIS IS, UH, HAVE WE GOT ENOUGH HERE TO SAY THIS IS, UH, UM, CLOSE ENOUGH TO FINISH, BUT THAT, THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH.
EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT? MAYOR, YOU WANNA HIT THE ADJOURNMENT GAVEL? NO, I, I, YOU KNOW, I'M WILLING TO COME BACK NEXT WEEK IF Y'ALL ARE, IF YOU THINK WE NEED MORE DISCUSSION, IT'S, I'M ALSO PERFECTLY HAPPY TO END RIGHT HERE IF WE'RE, WE'RE GOOD.
SO, TONY, DID YOU HAVE ONE MORE POINT TO MAKE? ONE POINT, JUST A MATTER OF CLARIFICATION, TO REFRESH, UH, MY MEMORY HERE.
THE, UH, PREPOSITIONS WILL BE VOTED ON INDIVIDUALLY, CORRECT? NOT EN MASS.
CERTAINLY THE COUNCIL'S FREE TO ACCEPT OR REJECT ANY, ALL OF THIS.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE ASKING US TO BOIL IT DOWN.
IS THAT, IS THAT RIGHT? MR. CAMPBELL
I SAID CAROL IS TO MAKE IT MORE EXPANSIVE.
CORRIDOR, CORRIDORS COULD BE COLLAPSED INTO A STREET PROPOSITION.
GO AHEAD AND BREAK IT OUT TO GET THE LATITUDE TO COLLAPSE BACK IN.
ANYTHING ELSE SIR? YOU HAVE ONE MORE, BOB? IF YOU'RE READY FOR A MOTION? I'LL WAIT FOR AND I'LL SECOND IT.
I'LL, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL HEAR A MOTION.
I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE, UH, MAKE THIS RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL AS PROVIDED ON THIS SLIDE WITH THE ADDITIONAL, UH, INFORMATION THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT YOU'RE GONNA KIND OF TWEAK AND PRESENT THAT TO COUNCIL FOR THEIR RECOMMENDATION.
I SECOND THE MOTION WE DISCUSSION? YEAH, I'D LIKE TO AMEND THE MOTION, UH, PEN PENDING THE INFORMATION THAT, UH, WE'RE WAITING ON FROM, FROM MR. MATT.
ANY OTHER AMENDMENTS? CAN WE JUST ONE TIME SEE A SHOW OF HANDS IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION? OKAY.
THE LAST AGENDA ITEM SAYS FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. ANYBODY HAVE ANY REQUESTS DENIED? WE ARE ADJOURNED.