* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] HAPPY NEW YEAR AND GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO THE FIRST MEET, UH, MEETING OF 2025 FOR THE GO PLAN COMMISSION. TODAY IS JANUARY 13TH. IS THAT A FRIDAY? WE COMMISSIONERS TYPICALLY START OUR MEETING WITH A PRAYER AND A PLEDGE. YOU'RE INVITED TO JOIN US. WHETHER YOU DO OR NOT, NO WAY AFFECTS THE DECISIONS OF THIS COMMISSION. TONIGHT'S PRAYER AND PLEDGE WILL BE LED BY COMMISSIONER ABEL. THANK YOU, GRACIOUS. HEAVENLY FATHER, WE COME BEFORE YOU TONIGHT AND THANK YOU FOR THE WISDOM AND BLESSINGS YOU BESTOW UPON US DAILY. WE ASK THAT YOU LOOK OVER US, OUR FIRST RESPONDERS AND OUR SOLDIERS WORLDWIDE, AND WE THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO FOR US. IN YOUR NAME WE PRAY, AMEN. AMEN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL IN 18 YEARS. IT'S THE SECOND TIME . WE'LL FORGIVE YOU. OKAY. WELL, GOOD EVENING EVERY, EVERYBODY. AND SINCE THERE ARE NO CITIZENS IN THE OFF, UH, AUDIENCE, I WILL FOREGO THE SPEAKER REGULATIONS AND WE'LL JUST JUMP INTO THE AGENDA. AND [ CONSENT AGENDA All items under this section are recommended for approval by a single motion of the Plan Commission, without discussion. The Chairman will announce the agenda and provide an opportunity for members of the audience and the Plan Commission to request that an item be removed and considered separately.] THE FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS A CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH ARE ITEMS THAT THE, UH, COMMISSIONER HAS REVIEWED AND WE'LL VOTE ON AND WON'T VOTE TO APPROVE. GO FOR GOOD EVENING. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? I SEE NONE. RIGHT? MR. CHAIR? COMMISSIONER JENKINS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. YES. I'VE GOT A QUESTION. I'M SORRY. UH, PLAN TO A P 24 30. LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE REQUESTING A, UH, SIDEWALK WAIVER THAT MONEY'S BEEN PUT INTO AN ESCROW. AT WHAT POINT ARE THE SIDEWALKS BUILT AND IS THE MONEY HELD IN ESCROW? UH, YOU KNOW, INDEFINITELY? WELL FOR SIDEWALKS. UM, SO THEY ARE REQUESTING A SIDEWALK WAIVER BECAUSE, UM, THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS CURRENTLY, UM, IN THIS. AND I BELIEVE, UH, THEY WOULD BE HOLDING THE ESCROW OR, UM, UNTIL, UM, SIDEWALKS ARE CONSTRUCTED. UM, BUT IT IS, THERE IS, AS FAR AS MY KNOWLEDGE FROM THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, I DON'T HAVE A TIMETABLE ON THAT. JUST MAKING CLEAR THAT IT'S THE, UM, APPLICANT'S, UH, APPLICANTS, IT'S THEIR, THEIR INTENT TO DEDICATE THAT, THAT LAND FORCE BY HOUSE. YES, SIR. IT IS THEIR INTENT TO DO SO. PERFECT. THANK YOU. YEAH, TYPICALLY SIDEWALKS ARE ONE FOOT OUTSIDE THEIR PROPERTY ANYHOW AND CITY RIGHT OF WAY. SO THE LAND IS ALREADY THERE. ALRIGHTY. DO I HEAR A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA, MR. CHAIR? COMMISSIONER DALTON, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS POSTED MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DALTON. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER, ABLE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. PLEASE VOTE. AND THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. HERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT. NEXT ITEM UP FOR CONSIDERATION ARE, OH, YEAH. IS A ZONING CASE THREE A HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER AMENDMENTS TO ATTACHMENT ONE LAND USE MATRIX AS IT RELATES TO THE LAUNDRY SELF SERVICE LAUNDROMAT RESTAURANT. AND I NEED TO GO BACK AND READ INTO THE RECORD THE ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. I MISSED DOING THAT. ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ARE CONSIDERED APPROVAL OF THE PLAN COMMISSION MINUTES FOR THE DECEMBER 9TH, 2024 MEETING. ITEM TWO A WAS PLAT 24 DASH 30 MONTOYA L LOVING EDITION, FINAL PLAT AND SIDEWALK WAIVER. ITEM TWO B WAS PLAT 24 DASH 32 WEST CENTERVILLE ACTIVE ADULT LIVING LOT ONE BLOCK, ONE RE PLAT. SORRY ABOUT THAT. THEY COULD EDIT IT THAT BEFORE. I APPRECIATE IT. YES. ALL RIGHTY. AND, UH, ITEM THREE [a. Hold a public hearing to consider amendments to Attachment 1 – Land Use Matrix as it relates to Laundry, Self-Service (Laundromat) and Restaurant uses.] A I'LL READ THAT AGAIN, IS HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING, CONSIDER AMENDMENTS TO ATTACHMENT ONE LAND USE MATRIX AS IT RELATES TO, UH, LAUNDRY, SELF-SERVICE, LAUNDROMAT AND RESTAURANT USES. THANK YOU CHAIR. YEAH, LET ME GET YOU'RE LIVE NOW. THANK YOU CHAIR. SO, UH, THE AMENDMENT THAT WE ARE BRINGING FORWARD TODAY, UH, THEY HAVE TWO USES THAT WE ARE LOOKING INTO FROM A OUR USE CHART. ONE IS THE LAUNDROMAT USE, THE OTHER ONE IS THE RESTAURANT USE. IF WE CAN GO TO THIS NEXT SLIDE. SO FIRST WE'LL LOOK INTO THE CHANGES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED ON THE LAUNDROMAT. UM, USE, THIS WHOLE PROPOSAL CAME FROM THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES COMMITTEE THAT WE HAVE, UH, THAT COMMITTEE WANTED TO TAKE A CLOSER LOOK INTO HOW THIS USE IS BEING PERMITTED IN DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS THAT WE HAVE ACROSS THE BOARD. AS YOU CAN SEE, [00:05:01] IT REQUIRES AN SUP IN THE NS NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES DISTRICT, BUT THEN AFTER THAT IT IS PERMITTED BY WRIGHT IN CR AND HC ZONING DISTRICT, UM, CR LC AND HC. SO THE PROPOSAL WAS TO SEE, UH, AND RESEARCH ON WHETHER OR NOT IT SHOULD BE, WE SHOULD BE REQUIRING AN SUP FOR CR COMMUNITY RETAIL AS WELL. SO THERE WERE A LOT OF RESEARCH, A LOT OF DISCUSSION THAT WENT IN AT THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES COMMITTEE, UH, LEVEL. UH, WE LOOKED INTO DIFFERENT CITIES WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING, AND WE DIDN'T REALLY FIND ANYTHING CONCLUSIVE FROM THAT BECAUSE SOME CITIES ARE REQUIRING SUVS AND CR OR SIMILAR DISTRICTS. SOME CITIES ARE PERMITTING IT BY RIGHT. IT REALLY DEPENDS ON HOW YOU LOOK INTO YOUR, HOW YOU CONSIDER YOUR CR DISTRICT AND HOW YOU CONSIDER THAT PARTICULAR USE. UM, BY DEFINITION IT'S A RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT OFFERING MACHINES FOR CUSTOMERS TO USE IN LAUNDERING GARMENTS ON A SELF-SERVICE BASIS. SO IT IS THOSE STORES WHERE YOU GO IN, THERE ARE COIN OPERATED MACHINES AND YOU'RE PUTTING IN YOUR LAUNDRY. IT'S ALL SELF-SERVICE. THERE'S NO DROP OFF OR PICKUP. UM, BASED ON THE MAJORITY OF THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES COMMITTEE'S, UH, CONSIDERATION, THEY DID WANNA SEE THAT USE REQUIRING AN SUP IN THE CR DISTRICT BECAUSE IN THE COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT, THEY WANTED TO SEE MORE, UH, COMMUNITY AND NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES TYPE USES TO BE PERMITTED BY WRIGHT. AND ANYTHING THAT COULD BE A LITTLE BEYOND THAT COULD BE A, COULD BE CONSIDERED A LITTLE BIT MORE INTENSIVE. THEY WANT IT FOR IT TO HAVE A CLOSER LOOK, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT THE SUP DOES. IT GIVES THE PLAN COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL AN ADDITIONAL LOOK AT THAT USE ON A PROPOSED SIDE TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT IT'S A, IT'S A SUIT USE FOR THAT SITE. AND AT COUNCIL, WHEN THE COMMITTEE REPORTED OUT TO COUNCIL, THEY ALSO, MAJORITY OF THEM, AGREED THAT, UM, IT SHOULD BE AN ORDINANCE AMENDMENT. UH, SO THAT'S WHY WE ARE BRINGING IT FORWARD TO YOU. ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE I MOVE ON? ANY QUESTIONS ON THE LAUNDROMAT MATTER? I DO THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER PARIS, UH, IN THIS INSTANCE, UM, MY QUESTION IS IF IT IS, UH, YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT IF IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT DROP OFF, CORRECT. UM, BUT SOME LAUNDROMATS DO HAVE THE SERVICE, LIKE A CLEANING SERVICE IF YOU GO DROP OFF TO A CLEANER MM-HMM . THEY DO HAVE THAT SERVICE. DOES THAT CHANGE THE DECISION OR THE, UH, USE, UH, WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING HERE? SO AS YOU COULD SEE, WE HAVE, UH, THREE DIFFERENT USES THAT KIND OF SPEAK TO THAT TYPE OF SERVICES. SO ONE OF IT IS LAUNDRY DROP OFF, AND IN PARENTHESES WE HAVE WITH DRIVE THROUGH OUR WINDOW. SO THAT, THAT'S THE USE THAT WILL STILL BE PERMITTED BY RIGHT. THIS IS THE LAUNDROMAT USE, WHICH IS MOSTLY THE COIN OPERATED MICH MACHINES THAT PEOPLE GO IN AND SELF-SERVICE. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M REFERRING TO AS WELL. LAUNDROMATS DO HAVE. SO IN THAT CASE, IT'LL DEPEND ON HOW THAT USE IS BEING CLASSIFIED. SO IF IT'S, IF MAJORITY OF THAT USE IS SELF-SERVICE AND IT IS BEING CLASSIFIED AS A LAUNDROMAT BY OUR BUILDING INSPECTION DEPARTMENT, THEN IT WOULD REQUIRE AN SUP IN THE CR DISTRICT. BUT IF IT'S BEING CLASSIFIED AS A LAUNDRY DROP OFF, THEN IT WOULD BE PERMITTED BY RIDE. SO IT'LL DEPEND ON THEIR LAYOUT, WHAT THEY'RE DOING, WHAT'S THE PRIMARY USE OF THAT FACILITY, AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE GONNA USE TO CLASSIFY WHICH CATEGORY IT SHOULD FALL UNDER. SO THAT'S HELPFUL CLARIFICATION ON THE PRIMARY USE IS WHAT'S DRIVING IT. CORRECT. THANK YOU. THAT KINDA LEADS ME TO A QUESTION. ALL EXISTING LAUNDROMATS ARE, WOULD BE ALLOWED TO STAY? CORRECT. OKAY. TYPICALLY, OUR SUVS ARE TIED TO THE ADDRESS AND NOT THE PERSON. SO SAY THAT ADDRESS SUITE 1 0 1 OF SHOPPING CENTER A, THEY SELL TO SOMEBODY ELSE, THEY'RE GOING TO GET A PERMIT. DOES THAT USE REMAIN WITH THAT ADDRESS IF THEY DON'T CHANGE ANYTHING? SO LET'S SAY 10 YEARS FROM TODAY, AN EXISTING LAUNDROMAT, THEY WANNA EXPAND MM-HMM . THEN YES, THEY'LL HAVE TO COME TO CONFORMANCE. BUT IF THEY CHANGE, CHANGE OWNERSHIP AND PULL A NEW PERMIT, IT WOULD NO. IF THEY'RE CHANGING OWNERSHIP, THEN ALL THEY'RE DOING IS PULLING A NEW CO. OKAY. ALRIGHTY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF NOT, THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE RESTAURANT, UH, DISCUSSION. I'M SORRY, MR. CHAIR? OH, YES. COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER JENKINS. I, I, UH, I, I APOLOGIZE. I RECOGNIZE THAT YOU SAID THAT THERE WAS MORE, SO I WAS THINKING THERE WAS MORE TO THIS PARTICULAR PIECE. HOW MANY, UM, UM, OF THE, UH, LAUNDROMATS THAT ARE IN THE, THE CR UH, ZONE DISTRICTS, I BELIEVE IN YOUR PREVIOUS PRESENTATIONS, YOU MENTIONED A VERY SPECIFIC NUMBER. CORRECT. [00:10:01] SO WE KIND OF LOOKED INTO NOT FROM OUR PER, BECAUSE OUR CURRENT SYSTEM IN THE PERMITTING DOESN'T REALLY ALLOW US TO TAKE A, TAKE THAT DETAIL OF A LOOK, WHICH WE WILL HAVE IN THE FUTURE. WE ARE IN THE WORKS, BUT WE KIND OF DID A GOOGLE SEARCH AND TRIED TO FIND WHAT, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE LAUNDROMATS THAT ARE CURRENTLY OPERATING IN THE CITY OF GARLAND. AND WE FOUND ABOUT 30 TO 35 AND EXCEPT FOR FOUR, THOSE, ALL OF THEM WERE EITHER IN A CR DISTRICT OR IN A PD WITH A BASE ZONING OF CR. GOTCHA. SO IT'S ALREADY KINDA, IT DOES HAVE ITS FAIR SHARE IN THE CR DISTRICT. YEAH. UM, THE, THE QUESTION WAS HOW MANY OF THOSE CRS A BUT, UH, A NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, DO, DO WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION? WE, WE MAY NOT HAVE THAT INFORMATION. WE DO NOT. OKAY. UH, THE SECOND QUESTION, UM, I'VE GOT IS, UH, DO WE, I I CAN'T RECALL HOW MANY, UH, LAUNDROMATS HAVE, HAVE COME BEFORE, UH, THIS BODY WITHIN THE LAST FEW YEARS. DO, DO WE HAVE THAT NUMBER? CAN WE, DO WE IT WOULDN'T HAVE COME TO YOU UNLESS THEY, THEY WERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES DISTRICT BECAUSE IN CR THEY WERE PERMITTED BY, RIGHT. SO YOU WOULDN'T HAVE SEEN THAT IN THE PAST. HAVE THERE BEEN ANY NEW, UH, UH, LAUNDROMATS, UH, OPEN TO THE LAST, UH, A COUPLE YEARS, TWO, THREE YEARS? UM, THERE HAVE BEEN A FEW. DO YOU, DO YOU, YOU CAN SPEAK TO THAT. YES. UM, I COULDN'T GIVE YOU AN EXACT NUMBER, BUT I DO REMEMBER HAVING AT LEAST ONE OR TWO, UH, FIT MEETINGS SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE FOR TWO AND A HALF YEARS. SO, AND THAT ONLY TELLS ME, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY WERE ATTEMPTED TO RIGHT. AND ONLY THE ONES THAT I WERE AT. SO I COULDN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY HAVE BEEN GRANTED A CO YEAH. ACTUALLY IN THE LAST TWO TO THREE YEARS. BUT THERE HAS BEEN SOME ACTIVITY SINCE I HAVE BEEN HERE THE LAST FEW YEARS. OKAY. OKAY. UM, THANK YOU. I I, I'VE GOT MORE QUESTIONS, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'VE GOT THE ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS FOR NOW. SO THAT'S, SO FEEL FREE TO SEND THEM OVER TO US AND IF WE CAN CLARIFY ANYTHING FURTHER, UM, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY AN ITEM, IT IS HERE FOR A PUBLIC HEARING THAT WE WILL BE ASKING FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, BUT IF YOU WANNA WAIT TILL THE NEXT MEETING AND WANNA HAVE SOME MORE ANSWERS, WE MAY NOT HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS JUST BECAUSE OF HOW WE HAVE DONE PERMITS AND EVERYTHING IN THE PAST, BUT, WE'LL, WE CAN TRY TO GET YOU SOME MORE ANSWERS. I HEAR WE'RE UPDATING OUR SYSTEMS TO THE MORE ADVANCED, UH, SALESFORCE. SO YES, IN THE FUTURE, WE, WE MAY HAVE MORE INFORMATION, BUT RIGHT NOW, UH, BUT WE'LL TRY IT. I'M NOT TRYING TO SAY WE WON'T HAVE THE ANSWERS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? CONTINUE ON WITH RESTAURANTS NOW. ALRIGHT. SO THIS IS NOT SOMETHING, UH, THAT WAS BROUGHT FORWARD BY THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES COMMITTEE. SO THIS IS PURELY KIND OF STAFF INITIATED. UH, THIS KIND OF CAME ABOUT, I'LL GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND WHY WE LOOKED INTO IT. SO WE HAVE A VERY PARTICULAR EXAMPLE WHERE SOMEONE HAS A CEO ZONING AND THEY CURRENTLY ALREADY HAVE RESTAURANTS OPERATING THERE. IT'S A STRIP CENTER. SO THEY HAVE EMPTY SUITES WHERE THEY'RE WANTING TO GET MORE TENANTS, RIGHT? SO THEY HAVE A POTENTIAL HAIR SALON, WHICH WE WILL CLASSIFY IT AS A PERSONAL SERVICES, BUT THAT REQUIRES AN SUP AND CEO. SO THEY WANTED TO KIND OF CONSIDER, AND IT'S, IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE SPECIFIC PROPOSAL THAT WE HAVE, BUT I WANTED TO START WITH AN EXAMPLE WHY THIS IS A POTENTIAL ISSUE. SO IN THAT PARTICULAR SITUATION, IF THEY WANTED TO REZONE TO THE NEXT, UM, AVAILABLE DISTRICT SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY ON THE ALLOWED USES, WE WOULD ENCOURAGE THEM TO GO TO NS BECAUSE THAT, THAT'S THE NEXT MOST IN NEXT MORE INTENSIVE DISTRICT. UH, IF THEY GO TO CR THEN THAT OPENS UP A WHOLE LOT OF USES THAT WE MAY NOT WANT IN THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION. SO GENERALLY, OUR APPROACH IS YOUR CEO OR YOUR COMMUNITY OFFICE RIGHT NOW, IF YOU NEED TO GO TO THE, THE NEXT ZONING DISTRICT, IT'S NS THE ISSUE THAT COMES UP WITH THAT. IN THAT CASE, HE, THEY WILL HAVE THE PERSONAL SERVICES USE ALLOWED BY WRIGHT IN NS, BUT FOR SOME REASON, THE RESTAURANT USE IS REQUIRE IS REQUIRING AN SUP IN THE NS DISTRICT, WHICH IS A LITTLE UNUSUAL BECAUSE CEO IS LESS IN INTENSIVE DISTRICT AND IT'S PERMITTED BY RIGHT THERE. SO, AND NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES IS A ZONING DISTRICT THAT SHOULD HAVE THE USES THAT WE WANNA HAVE TO SERVE THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND SIT IN DIN RESTAURANTS ARE ONE OF THOSE. SO WE TRY TO DO SOME DIGGING AND SOME RESEARCH ON WHY IT CAME ABOUT, WHY IT IS THE WAY IT IS THAT YOU SEE THERE. UM, SOME OF THE EXPLANATION THAT I THOUGHT IT, IT WAS WHEN IN 2015 WE DID THE GDC AMENDMENT. IT JUST, WHEN WE DID THE EQUIVALENCY DISTRICTS, IT'S JUST, IT JUST DIDN'T TRANSFER OVER FULLY, UM, CONSISTENTLY. THAT'S HOW, SO NO ONE REALLY HAD ANY [00:15:01] CONCERN, UH, PUTTING, MAKING RESTAURANTS PERMITTED BY RIGHT. IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES DISTRICT. WE DO WANT TO HAVE DINE IN QUALITY RESTAURANTS TO BE ENCOURAGED IN THAT DISTRICT. SO WE ARE BRINGING IT FORWARD TO YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION TO PERMITTED BY. RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS? SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE JUST THROWING LOGIC AT US. . THAT'S WHAT I'M HERE FOR. . ANY, ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHTY. OKAY. UH, ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? UH, WE HAVE NOBODY IN THE AUDIENCE, SO IT'S JUST US FOLKS. MR. CHAIR, COMMISSIONER JENKINS. A MOTION TO DIVIDE ITEM THREE A, UM, SO AS TO CONSIDER SEPARATELY THE QUESTION OF AN AMENDMENT TO THE LAND USE MATRIX AS IT RELATES TO THE RESTAURANT NON DRIVE-THROUGH USES AS OPPOSED TO THE RESTAURANT USES. SO JUST TREAT THEM AS TWO SEPARATE ITEMS. SURE. GO FOR IT. WELL, THAT, I THINK I NEED A SECOND ON THAT ONE. JORDAN SAID, WELL, I, I THOUGHT IT WAS UP TO MY NO, YEAH, YOU GO. NO, WHATEVER HE SAYS, MOTION BY COMMISSIONER JENKINS, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER, ABLE TO, TO, UH, ROSE TO SE SEPARATE THIS ITEM INTO, AND WE'LL DO THAT. AND, UH, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. WE NEED TO CLEAR THE LAST VOTE. I THINK. YES. HERE WE GO. , NO, JENKIN JENKINS AND ROSE JENKINS AND ROSE. I MEAN, I'LL TAKE IT, BUT I'M NOT THAT SMART. . DON'T SLOW YOURSELF SHORT. MR. UH, ABEL, TELL YOU WHAT, UH, SHE'S HAVING A LITTLE TROUBLE THERE. SO I WILL GO FOR, UH, SHOWING OF HANDS. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. WHOOP. UH, SHE JUST GOT IT. NO, SHE GOT IT. YEAH. . ALL RIGHT. SO WE'LL GO WITH, UH, THREE A ONE, UH, HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING. CONSIDER AMENDMENTS TO ATTACHMENT ONE LAND USE MA MATRIX AS IT RELATES TO LAUNDRY SELF-SERVICE. LAUNDROMAT. THANK YOU. AND THEN, MR. CHAIR? YES. UH, PURSUANT TO, UM, ARTICLE FOUR, SECTION SEVEN AND ARTICLE FIVE OF OUR BYLAWS, I RECOMMEND, UH, THAT THE CHAIR FORM A THREE MEMBER COMMITTEE, UH, WITH MEMBERS, UH, SELECTED, UH, SELECTED BY THE CHAIRMAN AS HE MAY, UH, UH, DEEM APPROPRIATE TO RESEARCH AND REPORT ON THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE LAND USE MATRIX AS RELEASED TO LAUNDRY SELF-SERVICE LAUNDROMAT. UM, THAT'S, THAT'S THE MOTION IS IS THAT A MOTION OR A REQUEST? 'CAUSE I THINK IT TAKES A REQUEST OF, UH, TWO, UH, COMMISSIONERS. TWO OR MORE. I'M NOT LOOKING AT THE BYLAWS RIGHT NOW TO, UH, FORM A, FORM A COMMITTEE OR THE CHAIR CAN DO IT HIMSELF, BUT I'D RATHER GO WITH THE WILL OF THE COMMISSION. I'VE GOT THE BYLAWS HERE, BUT I SEE SOMEBODY FERVENTLY LOOKING AT 'EM. YOU'VE GOT LEGAL GOING CRAZY RIGHT HERE. YES. MM-HMM . IT'S, UH, SECTION, SO ARTICLE FIVE, SECTION ONE. DOES IT, UH, HAVE A, DOES CHAIRMAN, MAY THE SPECIAL COMMITTEE MAY, FROM TIME TO TIME BE APPOINTED BY THE CHAIRPERSON OF THE COMMISSION AMONG OTHER TASKS INCLUDED FIELD INSPECTIONS. SPECIAL COMMITTEE MAY. ALRIGHT. IT'S, UH, AGENDA ITEMS THAT, UH, TWO PEOPLE CAN ADD. SO I'M JUST GONNA KIND OF GET A FEEL IF ANYBODY WANTS TO DO THAT BEFORE I, UM, DOES ANYBODY WANNA STUDY THIS FURTHER? I CERTAINLY DO. I'M REALLY NOT, NOT SEEING IT. SO AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I HAVE A QUESTION. YES. UH, COMMISSIONER PARIS. MY QUESTION, MY, IT'S A QUESTION, NOT A A AGREEMENT. AGREEMENT, , UH, THE QUESTION IS, WHY WOULDN'T IT GO BACK TO THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES COMMITTEE TO FURTHER DIVE DEEPER? WHY WOULD IT STAY THERE? WE, WE CAN'T ASSIGN THINGS TO THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES COMMITTEE THAT'S A COUNCIL PREROGATIVE. WE COULD RECOMMEND THAT THEY LOOK AT IT AGAIN. MM-HMM . BECAUSE THEY BROUGHT IT TO FORTH. RIGHT. THAT, THAT NO, IN MY MIND PRESUMES, UM, SOMETHING, OH, UH, SORRY. AND COMMISSIONER DALTON QUESTION, WAS THERE AN EVENT OR EVENTS THAT PROMPTED THIS CHANGE REQUEST? THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING TOO. NONE THAT, NONE THAT I'M AWARE. THERE YOU GO. WE WE'RE NOT AWARE OF ANYTHING THAT HAPPENED IN RELATION SPECIFICALLY TO A GIVEN LAUNDROMAT OR GROUP OF LAUNDROMATS IN THE CITY THAT WOULD'VE PROMPTED THIS REQUEST FOR A CHANGE IN THE ORGANIZATION OF THE ZONING. I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT, BUT IT'S NOT UNUSUAL FOR THIS TYPE OF COMMITTEE TO [00:20:01] FIND THE USE THAT THEY WANNA KIND OF LOOK AT SEPARATELY. SO I, WASN'T IT THE REQUEST BY THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES COMMITTEE PREDATES, UH, ME GETTING HERE? SO I DON'T REALLY KNOW THE WHOLE BACKGROUND ON THAT, BUT, UM, I DID THE RESEARCH AND I REPORTED IT TO THEM, AND THEN THEY REPORTED BACK, THEY REPORTED IT BACK TO COUNCIL. AND DURING THAT TIME, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY PARTICULAR PROJECT THAT BROUGHT FORWARD THIS CHANGE. IT WAS SOLELY, HEY, THIS IS A USE. DO WE REALLY WANNA PERMIT IT BY RIGHT. IN OUR CR DISTRICT, OR DO WE WANNA TAKE A CLOSER LOOK? MAY I ADD ONTO THAT? OKAY. AND, UM, SINCE I WAS HERE BEFORE NABILA ALSO, I, I DID HEAR THIS COME UP WITH THE PREVIOUS PLANNING DIRECTOR, BUT I WAS NOT GIVEN ANY SPECIFIC EXAMPLE. OKAY. COMMISSIONER DUCKWORTH. UH, IF MY MEMORY IS CORRECT, I THINK WE, I BELIEVE WE LOOKED AT A, AN ITEM AT THE, UH, CORNER OF PLEASANT VALLEY AND COUNTRY CLUB. AND I SEEMED LIKE, I REMEMBER, UH, COUNCILMAN BASS RAISING A QUESTION ABOUT A LAUNDROMAT THAT WAS GONNA BE IN THAT DEVELOPMENT. AND THAT MAY BE THE, UH, THAT MAY BE WHERE THIS CAME FROM. AND IT GOT REFERRED TO THE, THE COMMITTEE TO BRING FORWARD. OKAY. I DON'T, I DON'T REMEMBER WHEN THAT WAS. IT'S BEEN SEVERAL MONTHS AGO. I, I KNOW THAT'S, UH, THAT, UH, SHOPPING CENTER. 'CAUSE I USED TO LIVE ON SHORE HAVEN AND THERE HAVE BEEN LAUNDROMATS IN AND OUT OF THERE FOR DECADES, SO, YEAH. MM-HMM . OKAY. UH, IF, YEAH. GO, GO FOR IT. I'LL LEAVE YOURS ON, IF IT'S MORE CLARIFICATION ON THE ACTUAL PROPOSAL THAT THE COMMISSION WANTS, THEN UM, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO GATHER THE QUESTIONS, TRY TO ANSWER AS BEST AS WE CAN. UM, SO HELP ME KIND OF UNDERSTAND THE, THE CONCERN WITH THIS ITEM THAT, THAT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE VERSUS DUELING COMMITTEES. UH, SENT IT BACK MAYBE TO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. 'CAUSE WE GOT JUSTIFICATION ON RESTAURANTS, BUT WE REALLY DIDN'T GET ANY JUSTIFICATION ON THIS. UM, WELL, OTHER THAN THEY MET AND THEY DECIDED, WELL, WE RESEARCHED, WE DID LOOK INTO IT FOR OTHER CITIES BECAUSE THIS TYPE OF THINGS, IT'S REALLY WHAT THE, HOW THE CITY WANTS TO DEVELOP, RIGHT? WHAT'S THE VISION? DO YOU REALLY WANT, WHAT TYPE OF USES DO YOU WANNA SEE IN DIFFERENT DISTRICTS? THAT, THAT'S KIND OF THE GIST OF IT. AND WE DID RESEARCH ON MANY DIFFERENT CITIES. WE LOOKED AT CARROLLTON, WE LOOKED AT RICHARDSON, WE LOOKED AT, UM, COLLEYVILLE. UH, SO THERE WAS NO ONE WAY OF DOING THAT. SO DIFFERENT CITIES DO TAKE DIFFERENT PATHS. AND FROM A PURELY PLANNING STANDPOINT, I REALLY DON'T SEE AN ISSUE WITH, UH, AN SUP BEING REQUIRED FOR LAUNDROMATS IN THE CR ZONING DISTRICT. IT, AND IT, IT JUST AN ADDED LAYER OF APPROVAL, RIGHT? IT COMES TO PLAN COMMISSION. IF IT'S A GOOD PROJECT, THEN PLAN COMMISSION DOES HAVE THE ABILITY TO RECOMMEND, THEN IT GOES TO COUNCIL, JUST REGULAR SUP PROCESS. UM, SO IT'S NOT REALLY TO LIMIT THEM, IT'S TO HAVE A CLOSER LOOK AS TO WHERE THEY'RE BEING PROPOSED. YES. YOU MAKE A, YOU MAKE A GREAT POINT. UH, WE'VE MADE A LOT OF, UM, UM, IMPROVEMENTS RECENTLY TO OUR PROCESSES TO BE, UH, BUSINESS FRIENDLY. UM, AND I, I JUST, UH, BEFORE WE MAKE A PROPOSED CHANGE TO AN AMENDMENT THAT IMPACTS SO MANY DIFFERENT PEOPLE ACROSS, UM, IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS MM-HMM . UM, I, I, I LISTENED TO THE NOVEMBER 18TH DSC MEETING AND THEN THE DECEMBER WORK SESSION AS WELL. MM-HMM . , IT SEEMED ACTUALLY REALLY CLOSE IN COUNCIL. UM, SO I JUST BE, BEFORE I, I DON'T THINK I'VE GOT ENOUGH INFORMATION TO SAY. I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU GAVE THE EXAMPLES OF RICHARDSON, FOR EXAMPLE. SO THERE WAS A SQUARE FOOT LIMITATION FOR CORRECT. FOR RICHARDSON MM-HMM . UH, COLLEYVILLE WAS THE ONE THAT YOU HAD THAT HAD THE SAP, BUT FRISCO HAD IT BY A RIGHT. SO EVERYONE IS EVERYWHERE, UM, ON IT. UM, I KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO OUR ZONING RELATIVELY RECENTLY MM-HMM . FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS, UH, WITH SO MANY LAUNDROMATS IN A CR DISTRICT. IT SEEMS LIKE IT HAPPENED SOME WAY. UM, I JUST, BEFORE WE TARGET A VERY SPECIFIC USE, I'D LIKE TO KNOW MORE THAN I THINK THE INFORMATION WE'VE GOT RIGHT NOW. SO CAN WE, UH, JUST A SUGGESTION, WE CAN COME BACK WITH SOME OF THOSE INFORMATION DURING THE NEXT MEETING. WILL THAT HELP? AND WE CAN, YEAH. I, I, I DON'T POSSIBLY, POSSIBLY, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR EVERYONE ELSE. OKAY. UM, BUT POSSIBLY, YEAH, SINCE THIS ISN'T, UH, A ZONING CASE WITH THE ACTUAL APPLICANT, I BELIEVE WE STILL HAVE THE POWER MADE TO POSTPONE ITEM THREE A ONE UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING. AND YOU DO BRING UP SOME GOOD POINTS. WE'RE TRYING TO STREAMLINE THE PROCESSES DOES NOT DO [00:25:01] THAT. AND YOU CAN'T LOOK AT FRISCO. YOU CAN'T LOOK AT COLLEYVILLE. THEIR DEMOGRAPHICS ARE MUCH DIFFERENT. WE HAVE OLDER APARTMENTS WITHOUT, UH, LAUNDRY FACILITIES IN THEM. AND THEN WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, HOMES AND PEOPLE WHO CAN'T AFFORD THAT STUFF. AND IT'S A, IT'S A NECESSARY USE. I AGREE WITH ALL OF THAT. BUT WE ALSO, I THINK THE OTHER SIDE IS WE ALSO HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF THEM ACROSS THE CITY. WE DO HAVE THEM CLOSER TO OUR RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS. THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT YOUR QUESTION WAS, SO IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. LIKE, HOW MANY OF THEM ABUTS RESIDENTIAL? RIGHT. UM, SO WE DO HAVE, I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE AN EXACT NUMBER. WE CAN GO IN AND TRY TO KIND OF COME UP WITH, IT WON'T BE FULLY SCIENTIFIC, BUT WE CAN COME UP WITH SOME ANALYSIS, UH, OF THOSE. BUT THAT'S ALSO ANOTHER SIDE OF THE STORY THAT YES, WE'RE NOT FRISCO, WE'RE NOT COLLEYVILLE, BUT WE ALSO HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF THEM HERE ALREADY. SO THE NEW ONES THAT ARE COMING IN, DOES THAT NEED A CLOSER LOOK? THAT'S KIND OF THE QUESTIONS, BUT I I, I'M TOTALLY FINE WITH COMING BACK WITH MORE ANSWERS THAT WE CAN FIND. IS THERE, UH, COMMISSIONER ROSE, UH, MY QUESTION IS, DO WE NEED A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE THE, UH, STAFF GOING IN AND ANALYZING FURTHER THE, UH, SUGGESTIONS THAT WE'VE ALL TALKED ABOUT? OR CAN WE JUST, I DON'T KNOW. WELL, I, I THINK STAFF KNOWS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. WE'RE KIND OF LOOKING FOR POSSIBLY THE JUSTIFICATION AND FURTHER BACKGROUND. ARE THERE PROBLEMS? I REMEMBER YEARS BACK WHEN CHECK CASHING BECAME AN ISSUE, AND THEN THEY TRIED TO PUT SEPARATION DISTANCES. THERE WERE PROBLEMS THERE, THERE WERE PROBLEMS WITH PLASMA DONATION. UM, AND THOSE WERE DISTINCT PROBLEMS. I HAVEN'T HEARD OF ANY DISTINCT PROBLEMS. DO WE NEED A MOTION TO, UH, TO SUGGEST THE STAFF FURTHER ANALYZES? YEAH. IT WOULD JUST BE A POSTPONEMENT FOR, UH, STAFF TO, SO MOVE, I THINK, AND JUST TO CLARIFY, I THINK UNDER THE BYLAWS, THE, THE MOTION IS TO POSTPONE AND CORRECT THE LANGUAGE USED IN THE BYLAWS IS TO DATE CERTAIN. SO IF WE CAN YES. THROW THE DATE OUT THERE. I DON'T KNOW. THE NEXT MEETING GETS IT THERE, BUT WE KNOW WHEN THE NEXT MEETING'S GONNA BE. JANUARY 27TH, LET'S SEE. 20, 25. SO, SO JUST A, A, A VOTE. A VOTE TO DELAY UNTIL JANUARY 27TH YES. WOULD BE THE PROPER WAY. I, I WORK. SORRY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE RECOMMENDATION. UH, CAN WE DO, I KNOW WE, WE DO BIWEEKLY, UH, SORT OF ARRANGEMENTS HERE, SECOND AND FOURTH. UH, I PROPOSE THAT WE DO 30 DAYS OUT AND JUST TO BE, UH, TIME ENOUGH FOR STAFF TO REALLY, UH, HAVE A ROBUST PRESENTATION AS OPPOSED TO FORCING THEM TO, UH, SHIFT GEARS AND TO FOCUS ON, FOCUS THEIR RESOURCES IN A WAY THEY MAY, MAY NOT BE PREPARED TO. ALRIGHT. WELL, COMMISSIONER ROSE WAS KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE OF MAKING THE MOTION. MAKING THE MOTION, YEAH. AS CLARIFIED. DO YOU WANT TO CONTINUE TO MAKE A MOTION TO POSTPONE, SAY, UM, TILL OUR FIRST MEETING IN FEBRUARY, OR AS, AS IT WAS DESCRIBED LEGALLY? I SO MOVE . WHAT DATE WOULD THAT BE? UH, THAT I ONLY DO THAT BECAUSE THE BYLAW USED THE TERM EIGHT. SO IS THERE ENOUGH TIME TO DO IT BY THE 25TH? NO, IT WOULD, UH, WE'RE WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING A FIRST MEETING IN FEBRUARY. OH, FEBRUARY. YES. OKAY. SOMEBODY'S GOT A CALENDAR. THAT'S THE SECOND MONDAY IN FEBRUARY. IT'S OKAY. 10TH. IT'S THE 10TH. OKAY. THAT WOULD BE FEBRUARY 10TH. FEBRUARY 10TH IS WHAT I'VE GOT. YEAH, DO IT. OKAY. SO TO SUMMARIZE THE MOTION BEFORE I ASK FOR A SECOND, THE MOTION IS TO POSTPONE THIS ITEM UNTIL OUR FEBRUARY 10TH. UH, ITEM THREE, A ONE CONCERNING RELATING TO LAUNDRY TILL, UH, FEBRUARY 10TH SECOND. AND I HEAR A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER JENKINS. AND COMMISSIONER PARISH. YOU HAD A QUESTION? YES. I JUST HAD A POINT OF ORDER, BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAD A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. MM-HMM . I WASN'T CLEAR WHERE WE LANDED WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER JENKINS' ORIGINAL MOTION TO HAVE SUBCOMMITTEE. SO I, I WAS, I WAS JUST MAKING SURE THAT I WAS WELL, UH, THAT THAT WAS THE, UH, PURVIEW OF THE CHAIR AND THE CHAIR DECLINED TO, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. MM-HMM . THANKS. YOU'RE WELCOME. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. I THINK WE'VE HAD ENOUGH DISCUSSION. SHALL WE GO AHEAD AND VOTE? THE MOTION IS TO POSTPONE ITEM THREE A ONE. I THINK ELISE RAN AWAY. OH, MINE DIDN'T TAKE. HERE WE GO. AND THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THE NEXT ITEM I'M CALLING THREE A TWO, HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING, CONSIDER AMENDMENTS TO ATTACHMENT ONE LAND USE MATRIX AS IT RELATES TO RESTAURANT USES. MR. CHAIR, COMMISSIONER JENKINS MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UM, ITEM THREE A TWO AS PRESENTED SECOND MOTION BY COMMISSIONER JENKINS, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DALTON TO APPROVE [00:30:01] ITEM THREE A TWO AS PRESENTED. SEEING NO DISCUSSION NOW PASSED UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. THAT WAS INTERESTING, . ALRIGHTY. NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA [a. Discuss the feasibility of changing all plat approvals to administrative when they meet technical requirements, as allowed by the recent updates to State Law and City Charter] IS MISCELLANEOUS. DISCUSS THE FEASIBILITY OF CHANGING ALL PLAT APPROVALS TO ADMINISTRATIVE WHEN THEY MEET TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS AS ALLOWED BY RECENT UPDATES TO STATE LAW AND CITY CHARTER. THANK YOU CHAIR. UM, AS YOU MENTIONED, THE RECENT RECENT LEGISLATIVE UPDATE, EFFECTIVE SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2023, IT HAS ENABLED CITY COUNCIL OR PLAN COMMISSION TO DELEGATE THE ABILITY TO APPROVE, APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS OR DISAPPROVE A PLAT TO MUNICIPAL OFFICERS OR EMPLOYEES. AS YOU ARE ALL AWARE, THE PLAT PROCESS IS A MINISTERIAL PROCESS, WHICH MEANS IF IT MEETS ALL THE TECHNICAL DETAILS, THEN YOU HAVE TO APPROVE IT. IN THE PAST, I HAVE HAD PLAN COMMISSION MEMBERS COME TO ME AND SAY, WELL, WHY ASK ME IF I HAVE TO APPROVE? UM, BUT MY ANSWER WAS ALWAYS, WELL, IT'S REQUIRED BY STATE LAW AND NOW IT'S NOT REQUIRED BY STATE LAW ANYMORE. UM, SO WHAT GENERALLY HAPPENS IS THE PLAN COMMISSION RELIES ON STAFF TO DO THE ANALYSIS ON THE TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS AND LET Y'ALL KNOW WHETHER OR NOT IT IS MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS. UM, AND BUT DELEGATING THIS ABILITY TO STAFF, WE JUST REMOVE THESE EXTRA FORMALITY, WHICH IS TO SCHEDULE IT TO THE AGENDA, COME UP WITH REPORTS, AND IT, IT DOES MAKE THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS A LITTLE BIT MORE STREAMLINED. IT SAVES TIME FOR STAFF. UM, AND IT'S REALLY SAVING EVERYONE'S TIME AND EFFORT FOR SOMETHING THAT Y'ALL ARE OBLIGATED TO APPROVE OR TAKE ACTION ON. ANYWAY, UH, THE, THE, THE UPDATES WITH THE STILL, UH, GIVES THE, THE APPLICANTS THE ABILITY TO APPEAL, TO PLAN COMMISSION IF THEY'RE DENIED, UH, BY STAFF. UM, SO YOU STILL HAVE THAT, THAT PART. UM, BUT I, I DO FEEL LIKE THIS PROCESS CAN SPEED UP THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS A LOT. UH, WE, UH, IN MY PREVIOUS COMMUNITY THAT I SERVE, WE MADE THIS CHANGE RIGHT AWAY AFTER THE STATE LAW, UM, WAS PASSED. AND, UM, WE CAN, AS AS IF YOU'RE INTERESTED ON ANY PARTICULAR PLAT, YOU CAN ALWAYS REACH OUT TO US AND WE CAN GIVE YOU THE INFORMATION THAT YOU NEED. UM, BUT THIS IS REALLY TO KEEP UP WITH THE, WITH THE UPDATES, WITH THE PROCESS AND WHAT OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE DOING. UM, YEAH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE GOT. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, AND THIS IS NOT AN ITEM FOR YOU TO CONSIDER OR TAKE AN ACTION ON TONIGHT, THIS IS, I, I WANTED TO GET A FEEL FOR HOW YOU WANT THIS PROCESS TO GO. AND IF Y'ALL FEEL COMFORTABLE, THEN WE WILL BRING IT AS AN ORDINANCE AMENDMENT DURING THE NEXT MEETING. YEAH. I BELIEVE THE GDC HAS TO BE AMENDED TO ACCOMMODATE. CORRECT. THAT'S WHAT WE WILL DO IN THE NEXT MEETING. WELL GOT SOME MORE DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER DALTON. BOY, THIS IS CRAZY. UM, SINCE WE HAVE NOT THE ABILITY TO DENY, I SEE NO REASON TO NOT ALLOW US TO HAPPEN ADMINISTRATIVELY. I DO HAVE THE QUESTION, IS IT STILL GOING TO REQUIRE PUBLIC POSTINGS, NOTIFICATIONS IF WE GO THIS ROUTE? NO, IT DOES NOT. THAT WILL NO LONGER BE REQUIRED. OKAY. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER PARIS. I AM GLAD THAT THIS, UH, THIS APPROACH IS HAPPENING. I HAD INQUIRED LONG AGO, UH, AROUND KIND OF THE REASONS WHY IT, IT WAS ON OUR AGENDA. IF WE ARE, WE'RE GOING TO ESSENTIALLY ACCEPT IT. UM, SO I, I'M ALSO IN AGREEMENT WITH, UM, THE ADMINISTRATIVE OR THE STAFF, UH, BEING ABLE TO MAKE THE DECISIONS, UH, BASED ON THE TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER ROSE. MY CONCERN WOULD BE HOW MANY PEOPLE THAT ARE ON STAFF ACTUALLY LIVE IN GARLAND AND MAKE A DECISION THAT'S FOR GARLAND? UH, AS OPPOSED TO ALL OF US LIVING IN GARLAND? IT DOES NOT MATTER. IT'S STRICTLY PER OUR TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE ALREADY ESTABLISHED EITHER IN OUR DEVELOPMENT CODE, ARE OUR ENGINEERING STANDARDS MANUAL. SO AS LONG AS IT'S MEETING ALL THE REQUIREMENTS, THERE'S NO DISCRETION ON IT. NO ONE HAS THE ABILITY TO SAY, OH, I LIKE THIS, OR THIS MEETS THE VISION OR WHATEVER, UH, AND APPROVE IT OR DENIED BASED ON THAT. IT'S STRICTLY PER TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS. AND, AND FOR THE VIEWING AUDIENCE, PLATS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ZONING OR THE LAND USE. IT LAYS OUT THE BOUNDARIES OF THE PROPERTY, ANY EASEMENTS THAT ARE ON THERE. AND IT HAS ALL KINDS OF WRITTEN STUFF OUTLINING [00:35:01] THE PROPERTY. SO IT'S ALL VERY TECHNICAL. AND I'LL GIVE A LITTLE THREE MINUTE HISTORY OF HOW THIS CAME TO BE. DECADES AGO YOU HAD CITY COUNCILS USING PLATS AS ZONING DOCUMENTS, WHICH WAS TOTALLY WRONG. STATE CAME IN AND SAID YOU CAN'T DO THAT. UM, AND SOME OF THEM STILL DID. SO THEY PUT MORE RULES IN AND ONCE IT CAME THAT WE HAD TO APPROVE IT, THAT'S WHEN I PUT IT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY DISCUSSIONS. WELL, THE STATE HAS CRACKED DOWN AGAIN, BECAUSE SOME CITIES, NOT GARLAND, HAVE BEEN DELAYING PLATS. AND SO THEY PUT A, A 30 DAY, I BELIEVE, A 30 DAY SHOT CLOCK ON THEM. WE HAD TO DEAL WITH THAT NOW. BUT THIS MAKES STAFF'S LIFE EASIER. IS THAT SHOT CLOCK INCLUDED GETTING IT, UH, ADVERTISING IT AND GETTING IT TO THE PLAN COMMISSION. SO NOW THEY'VE GOT MORE TIME ACTUALLY TO WORK WITH THESE PLAT AND GET 'EM CORRECT AND APPROVED. SO THIS IS A WIN-WIN AND WIN FOR THE DEVELOPERS AND A WIN FOR THE CITY, TOO. COMMISSIONER JENKINS, THERE WE GO. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. UH, FOR THE, UH, INSIGHT, I, UH, LIKE TO, UH, PIGGYBACK ON, UH, COMMISSIONER DALTON'S QUESTION. I TYPICALLY AM NOT ONE WAY OR OTHER ON THIS. I'LL, I'LL LET THE PROFESSIONALS, UH, UH, MAKE THE ULTIMATE DECISION. BUT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT NOTICE TO THE PUBLIC AND PART OF THE PROCESS THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE ALLOWS THE PUBLIC AN OPPORTUNITY TO JUST BE AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON, UM, AND TO TO KNOW WHERE TO, TO GO TO LOOK FOR THAT INFORMATION IN THE EVENT THAT THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. UM, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE ANY REAL CONCERNS ONE WAY OR ANOTHER ON THAT ONE. WELL, THERE'S NO REAL, LIKE FOR ZONING CASES, WE SEND OUT NOTIFICATIONS TO PROPERTY OWNERS THAT ARE WITHIN 400 FEET. IT'S REQUIRED BY THE STATE FOR 200 FEET. WE DO BEYOND. BUT, UM, THERE'S NO SUCH REQUIREMENT FOR PLAS. SO THE ONLY NOTIFICATION THAT PEOPLE ARE GETTING IS THE POST-IT AGENDA. SO THE PLAT NAME IS ON THE POSTED AGENDA. THAT'S ALL THEY'RE GETTING. THERE'S NO SEPARATE NOTIFICATION SYSTEM SO THAT MUCH THEY CAN ALWAYS CONTACT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND FIND OUT. WHICH LEADS ME TO ANOTHER POINT THAT, UH, I KNOW SOMETIMES COMMISSIONERS, WE LOOK AT THE PLATS AND COUNCIL PEOPLE LOOK, MAY SEE WHAT PLATS ARE COMING THROUGH TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE CITY. FOR INSTANCE, WE HAD THAT ONE COME THROUGH TONIGHT THAT TRIGGERED SOMETHING IN MY MEMORY AND I WAS ABLE TO INFORM YOU OF SOME, UH, PARTICULARS ON THAT ZONING CASE. SO I THINK IF THERE'S SOME KIND OF NOTIFICATION, WHETHER IT'S IN THE, UH, UH, CASE UPDATE WHERE MAYBE WHAT PLATS ARE APPROVED. SO I'M THINKING, UM, FOR EACH PLAN COMMISSION AGENDA, WHY DON'T WE ADD A SECTION ON THE AGENDA THAT WILL INCLUDE THE PLATS THAT CAME THIS MONTH AND THAT'S BEEN APPROVED. SO THAT WAY IT'S STILL THERE. IT HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED OR WITHIN THE 30 DAY, BUT Y'ALL HAVE THE ABILITY TO L TO KNOW WHAT THE PLAT NAME IS AND THEN ASK QUESTIONS TO, IN CASE YOU'RE INTERESTED TO FIND OUT MORE. IT WOULDN'T REALLY MATTER. IT WILL HAVE TO BE APPROVED IF THEY ARE MEETING THE DETAILS. BUT IT'S JUST SHOWING UP FOR YOUR INFORMATION ON THE AGENDA THAT, HEY, THESE ARE THE PLATS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED IN THE LAST 30 DAYS. WILL SOMETHING LIKE THAT WORK? YEAH, EITHER THAT OR THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. YEAH. EITHER THAT OR ON YOUR UPDATED CASE, AS YOU CAN SAY, HAVE SECTION ON PLATS. YEAH. THAT'S APPROVED OR IN PROCESS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 'CAUSE I GET ASKED SOMETIMES, WELL, WHAT'S THE PROGRESS IN THAT THING THAT YOU'VE PASSED, UH, LAST YEAR? IF I SEE A PLAT I'LL KNOW IT'S GOING FORWARD. AND ANOTHER WAY THIS EXPEDITES THINGS FOR BUILDERS IS YOU CANNOT GET YOUR BUILDING PERMIT, SITE PERMIT UNTIL YOU HAVE AN APPROVED PLAT. AND IF THIS SAVES A MONTH TO MONTH AND A HALF, IT'S MONEY AND EVERYTHING ELSE IN TIME. HOW DOES THE RE AFFECT THAT PROCESS? BILL PLA IT, IT WOULD BE THE SAME PROCESS AND IT'LL ALSO ALLOW 'EM TO DO CONVEYANCE PLATS, WHICH, UH, UH, ARE VERY TIMELY IN THE REAL ESTATE BUSINESS WHERE YOU'RE CONVEYING A PIECE OF LAND, YOU NEED A CONVEYANCE PLAT. AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE THAT IN. WE DO. WE DO. GOOD. YEAH. ALRIGHTY. SO THAT'S AN UPDATE. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON IT? THERE'S NO ACTION REQUIRED. AND IF YOU WANNA FIND OUT MORE, WE CAN COME BACK WITH SOME INFORMATION WHEN WE ACTUALLY BRING IN THE ORDINANCE AMENDMENT, UH, ON THE NEXT AGENDA. THAT'S THE PLAN. UM, SO REACH OUT TO ME IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR ANY IDEAS HOW WE CAN KIND OF ACHIEVE THIS, BUT ALSO KEEP YOU ALL POSTED, KEEP THE PUBLIC, UM, INFORMED. UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY IDEAS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO BRING THEM AND ALSO SAVE STAFF TIME. 'CAUSE WHEN I COME DOWN AND, UH, SIGN THE PLA, I USUALLY POKE MY HEAD IN AND SAY HELLO AND DISRUPT THEIR WHOLE DAY. . ALRIGHTY. THAT WAS THE LAST ITEM IN OUR AGENDA. SO [00:40:01] UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING OF JANUARY 27TH AT 7:10 PM TONIGHT, WE ARE ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.