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          THEY'RE, UM, 
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LANDSCAPING WITH HARDSCAPING IN 
          [ NOTICE OF MEETING CITY OF GARLAND, TEXAS COMMUNITY SERVICES COMMITTEE Work Session Room of City Hall 200 N. Fifth Street Garland, Texas January 23, 2025, at 10:00 a.m.   A meeting of the Community Services Committee of the City of Garland, Texas will be held at the aforementioned location, date, and time to discuss and consider the following agenda items. NOTICE: The committee may recess from the open session and convene in a closed executive session if the discussion of any of the listed agenda items concerns attorney/client communication, including pending/contemplated litigation, settlement offer(s), and matters concerning privileged and unprivileged client information deemed confidential by Rule 1.05 of the Texas Disciplinary Rules of Professional Conduct.  Sec. 551.071, Tex. Gov't Code.]
THEIR MEDIAN AND ALSO IN JUST LIKE THEIR ENTRYWAY CORNER AREAS AS WELL. 
          UM, NOW THEY'RE GONNA BE, UM, INSTALLING SOME HARDSCAPING THERE. 
          UM, THEY'RE ALSO GONNA BE TRANSPLANTING SOME OF THEIR PLANTS, UM, AND THEN THEY'LL BE ADDING SOME ADDITIONAL PLANTS. 
          UM, NOW PLANT LIVE PLANT MATERIAL AND COST ASSOCIATED WITH PLANTS ARE NOT ELIGIBLE. 
          UM, SO THE, THOSE ITEMS HAVE BEEN DEDUCTED FROM THE ESTIMATES THAT HAVE BEEN PROVIDED. 
          UM, AND SO THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS AWARE OF THAT AND THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY WANTED TO CONTINUE WITH, WITH THIS PLAN, UM, AS WELL. 
          UM, THEY'RE ALSO LOOKING TO MODIFY THEIR EXISTING IRRIGATION SYSTEM. 
          UM, PART OF THE PLAN IS TO CAP OFF SOME OF THE AREAS THAT ARE GONNA BE, UM, YOU KNOW, PURELY HARDSCAPING, UH, BUT THEN THEY WILL ALSO BE ADDING SOME ADDITIONAL ZONES FOR THOSE TRANSPLANTED OR ADDITIONAL PLANTINGS AS WELL. 
          UM, AND THEN LASTLY, THEY WANTED TO EXPAND THEIR EXISTING LIGHTING, UM, TO INCLUDE COLORFUL LED LIGHTS. 
          UM, AND SO THIS IS SO THAT THEY CAN, UM, THEY CAN COMMEMORATE SOME OF THE HOLIDAYS WITH THE DIFFERENT COLORS AND SUCH AND JUST KIND OF BRING A MORE MODERN TOUCH TO THEIR ENTRYWAYS. 
          UM, THEY'RE STATED GOALS INCLUDES IMPROVING ENTRIES AND MEDIANS TO GIVE OAK RIDGE A NEW LOOK THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH CURRENT LANDSCAPE DESIGN, UTILIZING HARDSCAPE AND DROUGHT TOLERANT PLANTS. 
          UM, THEY LOOK TO INSTALL, UM, NEW DRIP IRRIGATION AND REDUCE WATER USAGE. 
          UM, AND THEN THEY LOOK HOPE TO INSTALL NEW SAFETY AND SECURITY LIGHTING USING LED TO REDUCE ELECTRIC BILL. 
          UM, FOR THEIR STATED MAINTENANCE IN THEIR APPLICATION. 
          THEY SAID THEY ARE, UM, THEY'VE CONTRACTED WITH A LANDSCAPE SERVICE THAT'LL MAINTAIN THESE ENTRANCES. 
          UM, AND SO, AND THIS IS JUST A MAP OF, UM, THE PROJECT AREA. 
          AND THEN THESE ARE SOME PHOTOS OF THE, UM, ENTRANCES AND THEY'RE KIND OF NOTATED, LIKE WHICH ENTRANCES. 
          UM, WE'LL BE RECEIVING THOSE MAKEOVERS ESSENTIALLY. 
          UM, SO WE DID GO BACK AND, AND FORTH QUITE A BIT WITH THE APPLICANTS JUST TO TRY TO WORK THINGS OUT AND, UM, SEE WHAT COULD BE ELIGIBLE OR WHAT COULD POTENTIAL, WHAT WOULD BE DETERMINED BY COMMUNITY SERVICES AS WELL AS CITY COUNCIL AS TO WHAT MIGHT BE ELIGIBLE. 
          UM, AND SO SOME, UM, WE HAVE ALL OF THE COMMENTS FROM LETTER OF INTENT TO APPLICATION TO EVEN AN UPDATE SINCE THEIR APPLICATION BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN KIND OF GOING, GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, AND SO, BUT ESSENTIALLY THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS PROVIDED EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE REQUESTED. 
          UM, THEY PROVIDED LANDSCAPING PLANS, WHICH ARE INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET. 
          UM, THEY HAVE SENT THE PLANT MATERIAL LIST TO OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT BECAUSE THOSE MEDIAS ARE, UM, THEY DO, THEY DO HAVE A WATER USAGE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT WITH OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT, SO WHATEVER CHANGES THEY MAKE, IT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY, BY PARKS. 
          AND SO, UM, SO WE'VE KIND OF BEEN WORKING THROUGH THAT. 
          UM, BUT ALSO JUST KIND OF A, THEY SUBMITTED THE PLANT MATERIAL AND THERE WERE SOME, UM, PREFERENCES MENTIONED BY PARKS DEPARTMENT FOR SOME OF THE SPECIES. 
          BUT SINCE PLANTS ARE KIND OF OUTSIDE OF THIS, PER OUR PURVIEW OF THE GRANT, WE'LL LET THEM, UM, WORK DIRECTLY WITH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT. 
          UH, TRUST ME, YOU DON'T WANT ME GETTING INTO PLANT SPECIES. 
          I AM NOT, I AM NOT THE EXPERT THERE, , SO WE'LL JUST LEAVE THAT TO THE EXPERTS. 
          UM, BUT, UH, AGAIN, AS MENTIONED, UH, STAFF CALCULATED $4,006 AND 10 CENTS TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH THE INSTALLATION OF PLANT MATERIAL. 
          SO THAT AMOUNT WAS DEDUCTED FROM THE, UM, ESTIMATE FOR THE LANDSCAPING. 
          HARDSCAPING IS SUBMITTED BY, UM, I BELIEVE IT'S COVINGTON, UM, THEIR ESTIMATE. 
          UM, AGAIN, AS MENTIONED, PARKS REVIEW, THE LANDSCAPING PLANS AND MATERIAL LIST, AND AGAIN, STATED THEY WERE GOOD WITH THE PLAN, BUT JUST WANTED TO DISCUSS PLANT CHOICES. 
          UM, SO, UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD WILL NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING IN WRITING FROM PARKS DEPARTMENT, THOUGH BEFORE THEY BEGIN WORK THAT EVERYTHING IS, UM, THAT PARKS IS GOOD WITH THE PLANT CHOICES AND EVERYTHING IS GOOD TO GO. 
          SO, UM, SO IRRIGATION MODIFICATIONS, UM, INCLUDE UPGRADING EXISTING SPRAY SPRINKLERS, HEADS TO DRIP IRRIGATION. 
          UM, IN ADDITION TO, AS MENTIONED BEFORE, CAPPING OFF SOME OF THOSE AREAS THAT'LL HAVE HARDSCAPING. 
          UM, THEY 
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WILL NEED TO, UM, ADD SOME NEW ZONES FOR THOSE TRANSPLANTED AREAS. 
          UM, NOW IRRIGATION UPGRADES ARE LISTED IN THE MATCHING GRANT GUIDELINES AS INELIGIBLE. 
          UM, AND SO, BUT THERE'S KIND OF A MIXTURE OF THINGS HAPPENING WITH THIS POTEN PARTICULAR PROJECT. 
          SO WE WANTED TO JUST PRESENT THAT TO, UM, TO YOU ALL FOR DISCUSSION OR FOR DETERMINATION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT COMPONENT CAN BE ELIGIBLE. 
          UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD PROVIDED, UH, REQUESTED, UH, IMAGES OF WHAT THE LIGHTING ENHANCEMENT WILL LOOK LIKE. 
          AND SO IF YOU'LL LOOK AT THE, UM, ESTIMATE, UM, AFTER THE ESTIMATE FROM, I BELIEVE IT'S HARDWARE ELECTRIC, UM, THERE'S SOME PHOTOS AND I CAN KIND OF SCROLL DOWN THERE AND SHOW YOU OF KIND OF SOME OF THE LIGHTING, UM, WHAT THEY HAD IN MIND FOR THE COLORFUL LIGHTING. 
          SO IT'S ESSENTIAL, ESSENTIALLY NORMAL LIGHTING, BUT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO, UM, CHANGE DIFFERENT COLORS, UM, BASED ON THE SEASONS OR, OR WHAT HAVE YOU. 
          UM, THE ELIGIBILITY OF THIS COMPONENT IS TO BE DETERMINED BY, UM, BY THIS COMMITTEE, UM, JUST BECAUSE IN, UH, THE MATCHING GRANT GUIDELINES, IT SAYS NEW SAFETY LIGHTING IS ELIGIBLE. 
          UPGRADES ARE TYPICALLY NOT ELIGIBLE. 
          THIS IS, I KNOW WE HAD, UH, UH, THIS IS KIND OF A UPGRADE, BUT EXPANSION AND JUST ALSO ALLOWING FOR THEM TO, UM, DECORATE FOR HOLIDAYS AND WHAT HAVE YOU. 
          SO WE WANTED TO PRESENT THAT TO YOU ALL AS WELL FOR DETERMINATION, FOR ELIGIBILITY, UM, FOR THE SWEAT EQUITY AND IN KIND DONATIONS. 
          UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS TO HOST A VOLUNTEER WORKDAY TO OFFSET THE COST OF BED PREPARATION. 
          UM, AND SO THEY HAVE PROVIDED ALL OF THE REQUESTED JUSTIFICATION FOR, UM, FOR NUMBER OF VOLUNTEERS, VOLUNTEER HOURS, UM, IN ADDITION TO, UM, KIND OF CORROBORATING THE COSTS FOR DONATING DONATED SERVICES, UM, AND, UM, DONATED, UM, UH, EQUIPMENT USAGE AND, AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. 
          UM, THIS INFORMATION IS OUTLINED IN THE DOCUMENT THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD PROVIDED, UM, AND IT'S LABELED OAK RIDGE COST CALCULATIONS. 
          UM, AND SO I KNOW THAT'S A LOT. 
          UM, I THINK WITH THAT, UM, I WILL GO AHEAD AND OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS. 
          AWESOME. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH, LAURA. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SCOTT, THANKS FOR BEING HERE. 
          , JUST HAPPY TO BE HERE. 
          , I THINK HE ENJOYS WHEN HE CAN BE, UM, JUST DECORATION. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, OUT OF THE HOT SEAT, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. 
          UM, BUT I ABSOLUTELY AM FINE WITH THIS. 
          UM, THIS IS ONE THAT'S ALWAYS VERY LOW. 
          UM, AS FAR AS APPLICATIONS, LIKE WE USUALLY ONLY GET LIKE ONE OR TWO. 
          SO, UM, AND BEING THAT WE'RE WORKING ON OUR, UM, ENTRYWAYS IN THE CITY AND THEN WE'VE JUST BUILT, WELL, WE'RE STILL BUILDING HOLFORD. 
          UM, I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT IT'S ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY A, A GREAT IDEA, SO, OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CHRIS. 
          ANY, UM, I, I LOVE, I LOVE THE IDEA OF MIXING UP THE BOULDERS WITH THE ROCKS WITH THE GRA GRANITE SO THAT IT'S NOT ALL ONE THING. 
          UM, WE DID THE COMPRESSED GRANITE AT OUR, AND IT DOES NOT WEED BARRIER VERY WELL, SO I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE ROCKS, AND I THINK THE MAINTENANCE WILL BE A LOT LOWER FOR THEM. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, THE SWEAT EQUITY, I APPRECIATE, I HOPE THEY HAVE ENOUGH VOLUNTEERS THAT HAVE ALREADY SIGNED UP BEFORE THEY AGREED TO DO THAT, BECAUSE I, I DO KNOW THAT YOU SET UP THESE BIG DAYS AND YOU EXPECT THIS MANY PEOPLE AND ONLY THIS MANY SHOW UP, SO I HOPE THAT'S GONNA WORK FOR THEM. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, THE PICTURES ARE BEAUTIFUL. 
          UM, THIS IS A VERY, THIS IS, THIS IS A LOT . 
          I DO APOLOGIZE, BUT IT WAS, IT WAS QUITE THE, THE PROJECT TO, UH, PUT TOGETHER. 
          BUT YEAH, I MEAN, IF THEY AGREED WE WANT TO BEAUTIFY OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, WE WANT TO MAKE OUR CORRIDORS MORE APPEALING SO THAT IT'S NICER TO DRIVE THROUGH GARLAND, THESE ARE FOUR REALLY 
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HIGH IMPACT, UM, ENTRYWAYS. 
          UM, I THINK IT'S A WONDERFUL IDEA, SO, OKAY. 
          AWESOME. 
          THANK YOU LADIES. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, ABSOLUTELY, THIS IS A, THIS IS A HIGHLY VISIBLE, VERY LARGE SUBDIVISION. 
          ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO INCENTIVIZE THEM TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT MORE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING, I APPRECIATE, UM, COUPLE THINGS THOUGH. 
          AND THEN, UM, I HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE SWEAT EQUITY AS WELL. 
          UM, IT'S, IT'S ALL GOOD. 
          AND WELL TO PUT SOMETHING ON PAPER AND SAY, YOU KNOW, 29 HOURS, 20 VOLUNTEERS, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. 
          UM, AND MY QUESTION IS, IS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME AS COUNCIL MEMBER BEARDS, IS, HAVE THEY PROVIDED ANY, UM, WHETHER IT BE PRECEDENT OF THAT TYPE OF, UH, CONTRIBUTION FROM THEIR, FROM THE RESIDENTS, OR DO THEY HAVE ANY KIND OF, UM, SIGN UP LIST THEY'VE ALREADY SENT OUT AND PEOPLE ARE ALREADY VOLUNTEERING FOR IT? DO WE HAVE ANY RECORD OF THAT OR ANY PRECEDENT OF THEIR SWEAT EQUITY IN THE PAST? RIGHT. 
          SO THEY DID NOT PROVIDE A LIST OF, YOU KNOW, UH, VOLUNTEERS THAT HAVE SIGNED UP PREVIOUSLY FOR THIS UPCOMING, UM, EVENT. 
          UH, I DO KNOW THAT THEY'RE FAIRLY ACTIVE. 
          UM, I KNOW THAT THEY REGULARLY HOST, UM, BLOCK PARTIES, COMMUNITY EVENTS, NATIONAL NIGHT OUT EVENTS, UM, AND THEY TYPICALLY HAVE A PRETTY, UM, GOOD ATTENDANCE TO THAT. 
          BUT AS FAR AS PEOPLE COMING OUT TO ACTUALLY VOLUNTEER, UM, I COULDN'T ATTEST TO THAT, BUT THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD, UM, ASK OF THEM TO PROVIDE. 
          WELL, YES. 
          'CAUSE I MEAN, AND HERE'S, HERE'S MY CONCERN. 
          AND, AND LIKE I MENTIONED, THIS IS, THIS IS A LARGE PROJECT, THIS ISN'T TINY, THIS IS IN, THIS IS, UM, MULTIPLE TRADES INVOLVED. 
          THIS IS GOING TO BE, THIS IS A PROJECT MANAGEMENT, UM, JOB. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE CONTRIBUTING TO SOME OF THIS, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE THIS IS ALL BEING ENVELOPED BY ONE MANAGEMENT COMPANY, RIGHT? AND SO THEY'RE RELYING ON VOLUNTEERS TO BE AN INTEGRAL PART OF THIS. 
          SO THE, THE PROBLEMS AND THE PROBLEMS I'M LOOKING AT ARE FINANCIAL, RIGHT? EITHER THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH VOLUNTEERS TO GET IT DONE FAST ENOUGH, IT TAKES 'EM AN EXTRA MONTH. 
          WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE ALREADY GOT CONTRACTS WITH TRADES, YOU KNOW, AND ARE THOSE TRADES THEN GONNA BE COLLECTING MORE MONEY? AND, YOU KNOW, UM, IF THEY CAN'T GET THE VOLUNTEERS, THEN WHERE'S THE CONTINGENCY, WHERE'S THE MONEY COMING FROM TO PAY A LANDSCAPE COMPANY TO COME IN AND DO THIS? IS THERE A CONTINGENCY FOR THAT THOUGH? SO THOSE ARE THE CONCERNS I HAVE ON THE SWEAT EQUITY. 
          UM, OTHER CONCERN I HAVE, AND THIS IS MOST, MOST OF MY CONCERNS ARE FINANCIAL, RIGHT? BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS IS A BIG PROJECT, UM, AND WE WANT THEM TO, YOU KNOW, WE WANT IT TO, TO BE DONE PROPERLY. 
          UM, HAVE WE CONFIRMED, SO THEY HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, THE SWEAT EQUITY AND THE INKIND AND THE CASH CONTRIBUTION. 
          BUT HAVE WE, DO WE HAVE ANY KIND OF CONFIRMATION, UM, OF THE, UH, OF THE, UH, SOFTSCAPE THAT'S OUTSIDE OF OUR, UH, OUTSIDE OF OUR SCOPE? DO WE HAVE CONFIRMATION THAT THEY HAVE FUNDS FOR THAT AS WELL? I MEAN, SO THEY, UM, IN THE CALCULATIONS THAT THEY PROVIDED, THEY ACKNOWLEDGED THAT, UM, WHICH I THINK THERE WAS JUST A LITTLE BIT CONFUSION IN SOME OF THEIR CALCULATIONS, AND THEY WEREN'T TOO SURE HOW THE $100,000 CAP, UM, WORKED. 
          AND SO, UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY THEIR CALCULATIONS ARE A BIT OFF. 
          HOWEVER, THEY HAD ACKNOWLEDGED, UM, AND THEIR CALCULATIONS, UM, THAT THEY NEEDED, UH, APPROXIMATELY $25,000 CASH FOR THIS PROJECT. 
          UM, AND THAT'S, AGAIN, THAT'S NOT INCLUDING SWEAT EQUITY AND WHAT HAVE YOU. 
          UM, AND SO THEY HAVE NOT MENTIONED WHETHER THEY HAVE THAT CAPACITY, UM, BUT IT IS RECOGNIZED THAT THEY WILL NEED THOSE AMOUNT OF FUNDS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UM, AND, UH, THIS IS, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE PACKET YOU PUT TOGETHER, BUT IT IT'S A LOT. 
          SO I HAVEN'T, THAT'S, THAT'S OKAY. 
          SO I HAVEN'T, SO I'M GONNA PROBABLY ASK, YOU KNOW, SOME MORE QUESTIONS THAT ARE ALREADY ANSWERED IN HERE, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. 
          NO WORRIES. 
          SO DO THEY HAVE, BECAUSE I NOTICED THERE ARE MULTIPLE TRADES IN HERE, RIGHT? LANDSCAPE, ELECTRICIAN, ALL THAT KINDA STUFF. 
          DO THEY HAVE, UM, A COMPANY MANAGING THIS PROJECT, OR ARE THEY MANAGING IT THEMSELVES? AND IF SO, DO WE HAVE THAT, UM, THEIR VOLUNTEER PROPERTY MAN, WHOEVER'S MANAGING IT FOR THEM? DO WE HAVE ALL OF THAT INFORMATION? SO, UM, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IT'S KIND OF A TEAM THAT'S MANAGING THIS. 
          UM, JOSHUA LAMB AND CECILE, I BELIEVE IT'S LAMBROSE, UM, THAT, FORGIVE ME IF THAT LAST NAME IS WRONG. 
          UM, AND SO THEY ARE, UM, PLANNING THIS PROJECT TOGETHER, BUT THEY DO HAVE A, A COMMITTEE THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WORKING, UM, WORKING ON THIS. 
          AND SO, UM, AS FAR AS THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY, I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE A MANAGEMENT COMPANY SINCE THEY'RE VOLUNTARY. 
          UM, BUT THEY DO, I MEAN, THEY DID MENTION THAT THEY, UH, WILL DO HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THE LANDSCAPING, UM, COMPANY TO MAINTAIN WHATEVER GOES IN. 
          UM, SO THEY, 
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UM, HAVE SOME OF THOSE, UM, THAT INFRASTRUCTURE FOR, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          OKAY. 
          I'D JUST LIKE TO SEE, UH, JUST, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THE, THE FUNDS ARE MANAGED PROPERLY AND MAKE SURE THE PROJECT'S MANAGED PROPERLY. 
          THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          UM, AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE LAST TIME THAT THAT, THAT, UM, THAT OAK RIDGE, UM, UTILIZED THE MATCHING BA GRANT PROGRAM WAS IN 2009. 
          SO I THINK IT'S, UH, GREAT THAT THEY'VE COME BACK. 
          I THINK IT'S A WONDERFUL USE OF FUNDS AND, UM, YEAH, AND OF COURSE I'D LIKE EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD TO, YOU KNOW, UTILIZE THIS PROGRAM. 
          IT'S, IT'S AMAZING. 
          UM, ON ANOTHER NOTE, UH, LAURA, YOU MENTIONED THAT, UM, UPGRADING LIGHTING IS NOT ELIGIBLE. 
          UM, I WOULD JUST, AGAIN, THIS IS A SIDE NOTE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME MORE DETAILS ON THAT BECAUSE, UM, JUST, JUST ON THE SURFACE, JUST SAYING UPGRADING YOUR LIGHTING ISN'T ELIGIBLE. 
          THAT DOESN'T, THAT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THAT, THAT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A GOOD, I GUESS, I DON'T KNOW, NON-ELIGIBLE ITEM, RIGHT? I WOULD, I WOULD THINK THAT I UPGRADING LIGHTING SHOULD BE ELIGIBLE BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE GOING FROM, YOU KNOW, INCANDESCENT OR FLUORESCENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO AN LED. 
          UM, SO I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE SOME MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT SO I CAN REVIEW IT AND SEE IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO, TO VISIT ON, ON COUNCIL SIDE. 
          UM, NO, I THINK IT'S A GREAT PROJECT. 
          UM, I JUST THINK I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MANAGE THE, MANAGE THE FUNDS AND THE TIMING AND THAT THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE GETTING THEMSELVES INTO . 
          OKAY. 
          AWESOME. 
          LADIES, ANYTHING ELSE? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I'M SO SORRY. 
          JUST TO CLARIFY, UM, DO YOU WANT ME TO OBTAIN, UM, CLARIFICATION OR CONFIRMATION FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ABOUT THEIR VOLUNTEER HOURS AND AVAILABILITY OF FUNDS BEFORE MOVING THIS ALONG, OR, I JUST WANTED TO, UM, I, I, I DON'T THINK I'M THAT CONCERNED WITH IT. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE JUMPING INTO. 
          GOT IT. 
          YOU KNOW, AND I'M, AS LONG AS YOU GUYS EXPRESS TO ME THAT, THAT Y'ALL TAKE CARE OF THAT, THEN I'M GOOD. 
          GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          AWESOME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GLAD I COULD BE OF ASSISTANCE. 
          . 
          . 
          THAT WAS SOME SERIOUS WORK YOU PUT IN THERE TODAY, . 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ALSO MOVING ON TO ITEM THREE B, DISCUSS CIVIL PENALTIES FOR CODE COMPLIANCE ISSUES. 
          THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF A DISCUSSION. 
          GOOD MORNING, RICK. 
          GOOD MORNING, SIR. 
          HOW ARE YOU? WONDERFUL. 
          GOOD TO HAVE YOU. 
          GOOD TO BE HERE. 
          LEMME GET MY EYES ON FIRST. 
          LEMME SEE. 
          OKAY. 
          GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIR. 
          UH, COMMITTEE . 
          UH, MY NAME IS RICK BARKER, CODE COMPLIANCE, AND I'M HERE TODAY TO, UH, BRING FORWARD THE INFORMATION THAT YOU HAD ASKED FROM OUR, FROM OUR PREVIOUS MEETING. 
          AND SO MY, MY PRESENTATION THIS MORNING IS GONNA BE BASICALLY JUST A KIND OF A, A OVERVIEW AND A BRIEF RECAP OF WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT THE LAST MEETING, UH, AND THEN, UH, GET INTO SOME OF THE FUTURE ITEMS THAT YOU WANTED TO DISCUSS. 
          SO I'VE GOT, UH, A PRESENTATION OF, UH, A LIST OF, OF VIOLATION TYPES, AND THEN SOME, UH, EXAMPLE OF PHOTOS, A FEE SCHEDULE, AND, UH, ALL THAT. 
          AND I APOLOGIZE IF YOU DIDN'T GET THIS PACKET IN A VERY TIMELY MANNER, UH, BUT HOPEFULLY YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE JUST TO KIND OF REVIEW IT AND, UH, GO FROM THERE. 
          BUT I'LL TRY TO EXPLAIN IT AS BEST I CAN. 
          UH, SEAN ROTON IS HERE ALSO TO, UM, UH, ANSWER ANY, UM, YOU KNOW, LEGAL QUESTIONS CONCERNING THE, UH, POTENTIAL ORDINANCE THAT WE'RE WANTING TO, TO BRING FORWARD ANY REVISIONS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. 
          SO, SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED. 
          SO, UH, AS YOU RECALL, IN OUR PRIOR MEETING ON DECEMBER THE FIFTH, UH, WE WERE BROUGHT FORWARD TO DISCUSS, UH, OUR POTENTIAL, AND I WANNA SAY THE WORD POTENTIAL CIVIL ENFORCEMENT PROGRAM FOR, FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT. 
          UH, WE DISCUSSED THE OBJECTIVES FOR THIS TYPE OF A PROGRAM, UH, AND BASICALLY THE OBJECTIVE IS TO AID IN THE COMPLIANCE, UH, TO IMPROVE OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, AND ALSO THROUGH, UM, UH, OTHER PROPERTIES, UH, UH, THROUGHOUT OUR CITY, UH, COMMERCIAL AND, AND OUR MULTIFAMILY, UH, AND, UH, AND OUR DESIRE TO BASICALLY IMPLEMENT THIS PROGRAM. 
          UH, SOME OF THE BENEFITS OF THIS IS GONNA BE AN EASE OF THE ENFORCEMENT, UH, PROGRAM VERSUS A, A CRIMINAL, OUR CRIMINAL PROGRAM. 
          UH, WE, WE WILL HEAVILY USE, UH, PHOTOS, UH, TO, UH, SHOW, UH, PROOF OF VIOLATIONS, AND THEN, WE'LL, IT WILL ALSO, UM, PROVIDE RELIEF FOR OUR COURT WORKFLOWS AND SOME EXTENDED TIME, UH, THAT, THAT'S REQUIRED FOR CURRENT DUE PROCESS. 
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AND, UH, WE HOPE, UH, IT WILL IMPROVE OUR POTENTIAL, UH, COMPLIANCE FOR, FOR, FOR NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, AND, AND PROPERTY OWNERS. 
          SO, UH, OUR CURRENT NOTICE POLICY AND LEGAL REQUIREMENTS WILL, UH, ALWAYS CONTINUE. 
          UH, WE'LL CONTINUE THOSE NOTIFICATION PROCEDURES, UH, AS REQUIRED, UH, BY POLICY AND OUR LEGAL REQUIREMENTS. 
          UH, IT WILL ALSO REQUIRE SOME, UH, CODE OF ORDINANCE AND THE GARLAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REVISIONS, UM, TO EN ENFORCE THIS TYPE OF, OF PROGRAM. 
          UH, AND AGAIN, UH, THE EASE OF DUE PROCESS, UH, AND THAT, THAT'S KEY. 
          UH, WE WE'RE, WE'RE ALL ABOUT DUE PROCESS, UH, AS YOU KNOW, AND AS YOU'VE, YOU'VE CONVEYED TO US AND, UH, UM, INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. 
          AND THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THIS WILL GO. 
          UH, THERE, THERE WILL BE PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, TO DO AN ADMINISTRATIVE HEARING. 
          UH, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO AN APPEAL TO THE APPEAL, UH, ONCE IT GOES FROM, UH, TO THE ADMINISTRATIVE, UH, HEARING AND, AND THE, AND THE PERSON IS NOT SATISFIED WITH THE RESULT OF THAT. 
          UH, I THINK MR. ENGLAND TALKED ABOUT IN THE PREVIOUS MEETING THAT THERE WOULD BE ANOTHER LEVEL OF, OF APPEAL THROUGH THE, UH, THROUGH THE JUDGE. 
          UM, AND THEN WE ALSO, UM, UH, MR. BETTS WAS HERE. 
          HE, UH, GRACIOUSLY AND VERY WELL, UM, SHOWED THE POTENTIAL OF OUR NEW SOFTWARE PROGRAM THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY IN DEVELOPMENT, UH, THAT WOULD ENHANCE OUR WORKFLOWS AND PROCESSES, UH, FOR THIS TYPE OF A, OF A PROGRAM. 
          UH, WE'LL BE USING A THIRD PARTY, UM, UH, TO, UH, HELP US ADMINISTER, UH, SOME OF THE PROGRAM, UH, SUCH AS CORRESPONDENCE, UH, COLLECTING FEES, UH, AND, UH, COMMUNICATING SOME, UH, THE PAST DUE PROCESS. 
          AND SO WE, WE, IF YOU RECALL, WE, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, OR THINKING ABOUT THIS TYPE OF ENFORCEMENT PROGRAM FOR YEARS, WE JUST REALLY DIDN'T HAVE THE SUPPORT FROM OUR, UH, CURRENT SYSTEM AND FROM THE, FROM THE BACK END OF, OF THE COLLECTION OF FEES AND, AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. 
          SO WE, WE FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD THAT WE'RE GETTING THOSE, THOSE THINGS INTO PLACE. 
          UM, AND THEN AGAIN, LET'S FAST FORWARD TO TODAY. 
          UH, AGAIN, I'M HERE TO INTRODUCE JUST A POTENTIAL KEYWORD, POTENTIAL, UH, LIST OF VIOLATIONS THAT WE FEEL LIKE WE CAN USE IN THIS PROGRAM. 
          UH, UH, A PROPOSED, UH, FEE SCHEDULE, UM, THAT, THAT'S ALWAYS UP FOR DISCUSSION AND, UH, DEBATE. 
          UH, AND THEN I'VE, I'VE GOT EXAMPLES OF PHOTOS THAT YOU REQUESTED TO SEE. 
          I DON'T HAVE PHOTOS FOR EVERY VIOLATION TYPE, BUT I HAVE, UH, MAJORITY OF COMMONLY WHAT WE, WHAT WE ENFORCE IN THE, IN THE, OUR MOST COMMON VIOLATION TYPES. 
          I HAVE PHOTOS FOR THOSE. 
          UH, AND THEN, UH, WE ALSO WERE ASKED TO, AND, AND, AND MENTIONED BRINGING FORWARD, EXPLORING SOME OTHER CITY CIVIL PROGRAMS. UM, WE DID THAT. 
          UM, UNFORTUNATELY WE DIDN'T GET A WHOLE LOT OF RESPONSE. 
          UM, UH, BUT I DID, UH, REACH OUT, UH, TO THE NETWORK IN, IN THE NORTH TEXAS AREA. 
          I, I GOT A COUPLE OF RESPONSES FROM PLANO AND RICHARDSON THAT THEY, THEY DO NOT HAVE THIS TYPE OF A PROGRAM, UH, BUT WE'VE WORKED, UH, CLOSELY WITH THE CITY OF GRAND PRAIRIE. 
          I KNOW, UM, UH, SEAN, UH, HAD, UH, WORKED WITH THEM, UM, WITH, WITH THEIR CIVIL ENFORCEMENT PROGRAM. 
          UH, THEY HAD HEARD ABOUT OUR, OUR PARKING PROGRAM. 
          AND SO THAT'S HOW THAT NETWORK STARTED. 
          UH, AND SO SEAN HAS, HAS WORKED WITH THE CITY OF GRAND PRAIRIE AND BEEN THROUGH THAT NETWORKING, KIND OF SAW HOW THEIR PROGRAM STARTED, AND I'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION FROM WHAT THEY DO. 
          SO MOVING FORWARD, SO AGAIN, THIS IS, I'VE GOT THREE AND A HALF SLIDES OF JUST A LIST OF, OF OUR, OUR VIOLATIONS THAT WE, THAT WE ARE PROPOSING FOR THIS. 
          GET THAT. 
          COULD YOU TRY AGAIN? , . 
          SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          SERIES INTERVENING. 
          UM, ANYWAY, SO, UH, THIS LIST, THREE AND A HALF SLIDES THAT ARE, ARE JUST A, A GENERAL LIST OF OUR MOST COMMON TYPES OF VIOLATIONS THAT WE ENCOUNTER. 
          UH, IT ENCOMPASSES, UH, BOTH RESIDENTIAL, UH, COMMERCIAL AND ALSO OUR, OUR MULTI-FAMILY, UH, COMMUNITY. 
          UH, BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, AND ALL, ALL OF THESE TYPE, UH, VIOLATIONS THAT ARE LISTED HERE ARE THINGS THAT WE, WE FEEL COMFORTABLE, UM, THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, TAKE PHOTOS OF THOSE VIOLATIONS, UH, PROVE THROUGH, PROVE THAT, UM, INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY, UH, THAT A VIOLATION EXISTS ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY WITH, WITH JUST PHOTO EVIDENCE. 
          UM, IT, IT MIGHT BE A SERIES OF PHOTOS. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, YOU SHOW THE, THE PICTURE OF THE VIOLATION AND YOU SHOW THE ACTUAL PROPERTY ITSELF, UH, YOU KNOW, IDENTIFIERS LIKE A, YOU KNOW, AN ADDRESS OR WHATEVER. 
          WE CURRENTLY DO THAT ON ALL OF OUR PHOTOS ANYWAY. 
          WE SHOW, UH, THERE'S A DATE AND A TIMESTAMP, THERE'S AN ADDRESS. 
          UH, SO ALL THAT IS ON A PHOTO. 
          AND SO, UH, OUR ENVISION IS THIS, THIS, THIS, WHEN WE SEND 
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THESE PHOTOS AND, AND GET TO THIS POINT IN, IN, IN THE, IN THE, IN THE PROCESS, UM, THE HEARINGS EXAMINER WILL HAVE, UH, ALL THIS AT THEIR FINGERTIPS WITH OUR NEW SYSTEM. 
          UH, WE CAN ALLOW THEM TO, TO BE ABLE TO GO INTO THE SYSTEM, UH, PULL THIS UP, LOOK AT ALL THE, THE LIBRARY FILE OF ALL THE NOTICES THAT WERE ISSUED, ALL THE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT ARE, THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION, AND HAVE THAT PHOTOGRAPHIC PROOF, UH, AND EVIDENCE, UH, DURING AN A HEARING PROCESS AND APPEAL SO THEY CAN ACTUALLY SEE EVERYTHING. 
          AND THE WHOLE IDEA BEHIND THIS IS, IS, IS FOR, YOU KNOW, A CODE OFFICER NOT TO HAVE TO ATTEND A HEARING, UH, OR, OR TAKE TIME AWAY FROM BEING OUT IN THE FIELD. 
          UM, UH, AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THE EASE OF THE, OF THE APPEAL PROCESS. 
          AND SO, UH, BUT ANYWAY, UH, I, I DON'T WANNA BELABOR THE POINT ON ALL THESE VIOLATION TYPES, BUT, UH, I CAN, I CAN QUICKLY RUN DOWN, OR MR. CHAIR, HOWEVER YOU'D LIKE FOR ME TO PROCEED IF YOU JUST WANNA KIND OF GLANCE AT THESE, OR I CAN, I'VE GOT PHOTOS OF, OF THE MAJORITY OF THESE THAT WE CAN GET IN FURTHER DISCUSSION IF NEEDED. 
          BUT, UH, AGAIN, AGAIN, THESE ARE MOST OF OUR COMMON VIOLATION TYPES THAT WE HAVE. 
          UM, I THINK THAT WE ENCOUNTER, I THINK WE COULD JUST MOVE ON TO THE PHOTOS. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          MOVE ON. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST, I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO GET INTO JUST A, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE I, I KNOW THERE'S ANOTHER TOPIC ON THE AGENDA, BUT I JUST WANNA BE MINDFUL OF TIME. 
          SO, UM, I WILL, LEMME STOP HERE BECAUSE IN SUMMARY, THERE'S AN APPROXIMATE OF, UH, 45 VIOLATION TYPES THAT ARE ON THIS, ON THIS LIST. 
          SO THAT, THAT, AGAIN, THAT'S COMPRISED OF, OF PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL. 
          UH, SOME OF THOSE RESIDENTIAL VIOLATION TYPES, LIKE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY HIGH GRASS OR TRASH, THOSE, THOSE CAN FILTER INTO A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AS WELL, AND ALSO A MULTI-FAMILY PROPERTY. 
          BUT, UH, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE FOCUSING ON THE MULTI-FAMILY IS, UH, MORE OR LESS KIND OF OUR, WHAT WE CALL A, A SAFETY, A SAFETY CONCERN, UH, THAT WE'D, UH, SOMETIMES WANT TO JUST GO AHEAD AND, YOU KNOW, IF WE'VE ISSUED NOTICE AND IT HASN'T BEEN, BEEN COMPLIED WITH, YOU KNOW, WE CAN MAYBE, UH, MOVE RIGHT INTO A CIVIL ENFORCEMENT, UH, TYPE FINE SITUATION. 
          UM, BUT AGAIN, UH, NOTHING OUT OF OUR NORMAL NOTIFICATION DUE PROCESS, UH, SCENARIO WE WOULD CAN, CAN KEEP THAT MOVING FORWARD AS IS. 
          UH, BUT AGAIN, THIS IS JUST ANOTHER, UH, NEXT ACTION ITEM THAT WE COULD TAKE TO DO ENFORCEMENT. 
          UH, AND AGAIN, THIS IS, UH, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, ALL THESE ARE LISTED IN OUR CODE OF ORDINANCES IN OUR, UH, GARLAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AS IS. 
          UM, AND SO, UH, SO JUMPING OVER TO, UM, JUMPING OVER TO THE, TO THE FEE SCHEDULE, UM, THIS IS THE, UH, THE BREAKDOWN OF WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING. 
          UM, OB OBVIOUSLY NOT SET IN STONE, UM, BUT THIS IS JUST KIND OF OUR, OUR FIRST THOUGHT OF, OF, OF THE RESIDENTIAL AND THE COMMERCIAL FINE FEES. 
          UH, AGAIN, WITH THE TRYING TO CREATE THE BALANCE OF, UH, MOTIVATION FOR COMPLIANCE, UH, THAT'S THE KEY, IS TO MOTIVATE SOMEONE TO COMPLY, UH, BUT ALSO NOT BE HEAVY HANDED WHEN IT COMES TO THIS. 
          AND SO, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE RESIDENTIAL, UH, IS THE, THE FIRST OFFENSE. 
          WE, WE WERE PROPOSING ABOUT A $40, UH, UH, FINE SET FOR A FIRST OFFENSE. 
          AND THEN IF WE, IF WE COME BACK A FEW DAYS LATER, UH, THROUGH, THROUGH OUR, OUR WORKFLOWS AND PROTOCOLS, IF THAT, IF THAT VIOLATION HAS NOT BEEN CORRECTED AT THAT TIME, UH, THEN WE WOULD ADDITION, UH, ISSUE A, A, A REPEAT OFFENSE CITATION, A SECOND OFFENSE, UH, FOR THE SAME PARTICULAR SITUATION, UH, THAT FEE WOULD THEN ESCALATE TO $75. 
          AND THEN IF WE GET INTO A THIRD AND, UM, CONTINUAL, UH, REPEAT OFFENSE OF THIS, IT WOULD, IT WOULD JUMP TO A HUNDRED DOLLARS, UH, FOR THE THIRD. 
          AND ANYTHING AFTER THE THIRD WOULD CONTINUE AS A HUNDRED DOLLARS. 
          NOW WITH THAT BEING SAID, UNDERSTANDING THAT ONCE COMPLIANCE IS GAINED, UH, IN, IN THIS CASE OR WHATEVER THIS PARTICULAR SCENARIO, ONCE COM, ONCE COMPLIANCE IS GAINED, UH, FOR FUTURE SITUATIONS THAT WOULD, WE WOULD COME ACROSS, I'LL USE HIGH GRASS AS AN EXAMPLE. 
          IT OCCURS A LOT. 
          UH, IF HIGH GRASS, ONCE IT'S COMPLIED, THE CASE IS CLOSED, THAT PARTICULAR CASE IS CLOSED, UM, IF WE HAVE A REPEAT VIOLATION THREE MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD, UH, WE WOULD START THAT NOTIFICATION PROCESS AGAIN. 
          UM, TYPICALLY NOW, IF FUTURE THREE OR FOUR MONTHS, FIVE MONTHS, SIX MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD, THIS, THIS TREND CONTINUES AND WE KEEP GETTING THE SAME VIOLATION, THEN WE, WE, THROUGH POLICY, UH, WE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND MAYBE OFFER A, A ADMINISTRATIVE CITATION, UH, DUE TO THE FACT OF THE, OF THE HISTORY AND THE TREND. 
          AND THIS, YOU KNOW, WE COULD, WE COULD POSSIBLY MAYBE GO TO THAT, UH, 
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TYPE SCENARIO. 
          BUT AGAIN, OUR INITIAL, UH, PROTOCOL IS TO CONTINUE WITH THE NOTIFICATION PROCESS. 
          UM, BASICALLY, SO YOU JUST SWITCH OVER TO THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, SAME, SAME TYPE SCENARIOS, UH, JUST A DIFFERENT NUMBER, A DIFFERENT FINE AMOUNT. 
          UH, WITH, WITH THE CONCEPT OF SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, WE FEEL LIKE, UH, COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, UM, YOU KNOW, MIGHT HAVE, UH, MORE RESOURCES OR, OR, OR MIGHT NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE MOTIVATION, UH, SO TO SPEAK, UM, TO, UH, TO, TO COMPLY. 
          SO AGAIN, THE FIRST OFFENSE, UH, WOULD BE A HUNDRED, A HUNDRED DOLLARS SECOND, UH, WOULD JUMP TO ONE 50. 
          UH, AND THEN THE THIRD, UM, A REPEAT AND, AND MOVING FORWARD WOULD BE, UH, 200 EACH TIME. 
          UM, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA HOW THIS KIND OF COMPARES TO OUR, OUR, OUR CRIMINAL COURT FINES, UH, CURRENTLY. 
          AND, AND THOSE, THOSE, THESE, THESE FINES ARE SET BY THE JUDGE, BUT THESE ARE, THESE ARE KIND OF THE, THE BOUNDARIES, I BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVE. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, THE INITIAL FINE IS UP TO, UP TO A $500, UH, FINE. 
          UH, AND THEN, UH, THEY CAN GO TO A MAXIMUM OF $2,000, UH, FOR SOME REPEAT OFFENSES. 
          UH, UH, BACK TO THE, TO THE CITY OF GRAND PRAIRIE. 
          UH, JUST TO COMPARE WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY DO, UH, THEY STARTED OUT WITH THEIR PROGRAM AS THE FIRST OFFENSE OF $35. 
          UH, AND IT INCREASES, UH, $85 EACH OCCURRENCE. 
          SO THE SECOND VIOLATION WOULD BE, UM, IF YOU DO THE MATH, IT'D BE $120 CITATION. 
          AND THEN, UH, THE NEXT CITATION WOULD BE LIKE 2 0 5. 
          SO IF YOU JUST WANNA COMPARE IT WITH WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY CURRENTLY DO. 
          OKAY. 
          SO LET'S GET INTO SOME PHOTOS, UH, THE FUN STUFF. 
          UM, SO THIS IS A, THIS IS JUST SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE TYPICALLY RUN ACROSS ON A DAILY BASIS. 
          YOU KNOW, THIS IS, UH, PHOTOGRAPHS OF HIGH GRASS. 
          UH, I HAVE, AS COUNCILWOMAN BEARD REQUESTED, WE, WE REMOVED THE, WE PROTECT THE INNOCENT, UH, UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. 
          SO I HAVE, UH, UH, REMOVED SOME OF THE ADDRESSING AND, AND JUST SOME OF THE IDENTIFIERS TO THESE PROPERTIES, UH, UH, JUST FOR THAT PURPOSE. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY HERE'S, HERE'S PICTURES OF HIGH GRASS. 
          I MEAN, IT, IT'S PRETTY COMMON THAT WE SEE THIS. 
          AND, AND THIS WOULD BE, AGAIN, A SITUATION WHERE I THINK WE COULD PROVE THE VIOLATION EXISTS WITH, WITH A PHOTOGRAPHIC LIBRARY OF, OF WHAT WE'RE DOING. 
          SO, , AGAIN, JUST ANOTHER, ANOTHER PHOTOGRAPH OF HIGH GRASS THAT, THAT WE ENCOUNTER, UH, TRASH AND BULKY ITEMS. UH, SOMETIMES THERE'S, THERE'S A, THERE HAS TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF DUE DILIGENCE, UH, INVESTIGATIVE WORK ON SOME, SOME, SOME OF THESE TYPE VIOLATIONS. 
          TRASH, UM, YOU KNOW, IT CAN BE CONSIDERED TRASH. 
          IT, IT IS, IT IS TRASH, BUT IT COULD BE CONSIDERED A BULKY ITEM, UH, SITUATION AS WELL. 
          SO IF, IF, FOR INSTANCE, UM, A PERSON MOVES OUT OR, UM, UH, PEOPLE PUT ITEMS AT THE, AT THE CURB AND, AND FOR WHATEVER REASON, THE SANITATION, UH, DOESN'T COLLECT THAT FOR VARIOUS REASONS, SUCH IF, IF THEIR UTILITY ACCOUNT'S BEEN SHUT OFF AND THEY'RE NOT PAYING FOR THAT SERVICE, THEN WE GET INVOLVED IN THAT FROM A, FROM A TRASH AND A BULKY ITEM STANDPOINT. 
          SO WE WOULD, WE WOULD INTERVENE AND COME INTO PLAY. 
          AND THIS, THIS MIGHT BE A SITUATION WHERE, AGAIN, WE'D ISSUE NOTICE, GIVE PLENTY OF TIME FOR THE, FOR THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNER, UH, TO, UH, TO REMOVE THESE ITEMS IF SANITATION IS NOT GONNA SERVICE THIS PARTICULAR AREA. 
          AND THEN WE COULD, WE COULD ADMINISTER ENFORCEMENT THIS WAY. 
          UH, AGAIN, JUST COMMERCIAL TRASH AND DEBRIS. 
          UM, UH, AGAIN, TYPICAL THINGS THAT WE ENCOUNTER ON A DAILY BASIS, UM, FAMOUS, UH, WALMART, WE CALL GRAFFITI . 
          UH, JUST, JUST A ONE, ONE SAMPLE OF, OF GRAFFITI. 
          NOW, AS YOU KNOW, WE CURRENTLY HAVE A, A GRAFFITI ABATEMENT PROGRAM THAT, THAT YOU COUNSEL HAS BLESSED US WITH THE, WITH THE BUDGET TO REMOVE GRAFFITI AT NO COST. 
          NOW, FROM TIME TO TIME, IT IS RARE, VERY RARE THAT WE, WE REQUIRE AN AFFIDAVIT, UM, NOT AN AFFIDAVIT, BUT A, UH, A WAIVER. 
          A WAIVER, UH, MISSPOKE, A WAIVER FOR A PROPERTY OWNER TO ALLOW US TO COME ONTO THEIR, OUR, THEIR PROPERTY WITH A CON, WITH OUR CONTRACTOR TO ABATE AND REMOVE THIS AT NO COST. 
          NOW, FROM TIME TO TIME, AND LIKE I SAY, IT IS RARE, UM, A PROPERTY OWNER WILL IGNORE US, OR WE, OR WE CAN'T LOCATE THEM OR WHATEVER, UH, TO GET THAT WAIVER OF PERMISSION. 
          UH, AND SO WE, WE MIGHT HAVE TO GET INTO A, AN ENFORCEMENT TYPE SITUATION HERE. 
          LIKE I SAY, IT IS VERY RARE, BUT IT, IT IS POSSIBLE, UM, TYPICAL VIOLATION THAT WE ENCOUNTER ALL THE TIME DURING THE GROWING SEASON. 
          UH, STREET AND ALLEY ENCROACHMENTS OF VEGETATION, OF TREES AND, AND SHRUBS AND THINGS. 
          AND SO HERE, HERE'S 
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WHAT WE DO. 
          UM, WE HAVE A MEASURING STICK. 
          UH, THERE'S, IT'S SET AT 14 FEET, UH, FOR STREETS AND ALLEYS. 
          UH, THE HEIGHT IS 14 FEET, UH, SIDEWALKS IS EIGHT FEET. 
          SO WE USE A MEASURING STICK, UH, TO SHOW, UH, THE VIOLATION AND HOW IT'S, UH, PORTRAYED TO BE A VIOLATION IS THROUGH THIS MEASURING STICK THAT WE PUT IN OUR PHOTOGRAPHS. 
          AND SO, UM, THIS WILL HELP AID IN ANY TYPE OF A, A HEARING OR, OR, OR VALIDATING THAT THIS VI THIS IS A, A VIOLATION. 
          UM, AND SO WE HAVE, UH, THINGS THAT WE CAN, WE CAN PUT IN THESE PHOTOGRAPHS TO, TO GIVE YOU, UM, A, UM, A DEFINITION OR, OR A, UM, I CAN'T THINK OF THE WORD I'M TRYING TO THINK OF, BUT A, A DESIGNATION OF, OKAY, JUST, JUST TO SHOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A, A, A REFERENCE POINT OF, OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. 
          SO THIS IS A ACTUAL STREET. 
          UH, THE PICTURE ON THE LEFT IS ACTUAL STREET VIOLATION, WHERE THE VEGETATION IS LOWER THAN IT'S STICKING OUT OVER THE, OVER THE, INTO THE STREET, LOWER THAN 14 FEET. 
          UH, THE SECOND PHOTOGRAPH IS AN ALLEY. 
          UH, IT'S BASICALLY THE SAME, SAME TYPE SCENARIO, JUST DIFFERENT LOCATION FENCE MAINTENANCE. 
          UH, THIS IS ONE THAT, UH, THAT, THAT REALLY WOULD BENEFIT A LOT FROM, FROM THIS TYPE OF A PROGRAM. 
          UM, WE, WE DO NOT ABATE OR REPAIR FENCES FOR PEOPLE. 
          UM, WHEREAS, YOU KNOW, IN, IN OTHER ABATEMENTS, WE CAN, WE CAN GO OUT AND MOW GRASS AND PICK UP TRASH, BUT WE DO NOT ENTER PEOPLE'S PROPERTY AND REPAIR THEIR FENCE. 
          UH, SO THIS, THIS WOULD BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO PAY MAYBE, UH, ANOTHER TOOL IN OUR TOOL BELT TO ENFORCE A FENCE MAINTENANCE, MAINTENANCE ISSUE. 
          UH, AND THEN ALSO, UH, HERE'S A PICTURE OF A SCREENING WALL ON, ON A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN DAMAGED IN VIOLATION. 
          SO I'LL QUICKLY GET PAST THIS, THIS SLIDE BETWEEN BREAKFAST AND LUNCH, UH, SEWAGE , UH, AGAIN, PRETTY, PRETTY OBVIOUS. 
          UM, AND THEN, UH, INOPERABLE IN, IN JUNK MOTOR VEHICLES. 
          UM, THIS, THIS IS A SCENARIO WHERE WE COULD, UH, POTENTIALLY, UH, WE COULD START OUT WITH THE CIVIL ENFORCEMENT TYPE OPERATION. 
          UH, AND THEN NOW, EVENTUALLY, AND WE HAVE IN THE PAST, IT'S, IT'S REALLY OUR, OUR, OUR, OUR BIGGEST, UH, UM, OPPORTUNITY FOR ENFORCEMENT ON JUNK MOTOR VEHICLES. 
          WE HAVE HAD THE, HAD, WE HAVE HAD TO, IN THE PAST, ACTUALLY GO OUT AND REMOVE A JUNK MOTOR VEHICLE, UH, FROM A PROPERTY. 
          UH, WE JUST COULDN'T GAIN COMPLIANCE, UH, AFTER EVEN CRIMINAL CITATIONS OR WHATEVER. 
          UH, AND THEN WE WOULD JUST, WE WOULD, WE'D GO ON THE PROPERTY WITH LEGALLY WITH A WARRANT, UH, TO, TO ABATE THE VEHICLE AND REMOVE THE VEHICLE AND, AND GO FROM THERE. 
          SO IN THIS TYPE SITUATION, I COULD SEE THAT WE COULD, WE COULD MAKE, POSSIBLY START OUT IN A, A CIVIL ENFORCEMENT MODE, UH, AND THEN IF WE'RE NOT, IF WE'RE NOT GETTING PROGRESS, THAT THAT'S THE PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE. 
          AND SO IF WE START THERE, AND THEN IF WE, IF WE'RE NOT GETTING THE RESULT WE NEED FROM THE CIVIL, UH, ENFORCEMENT, WE COULD, WE COULD CHANGE COURSE, THEN MAYBE SWITCH OVER TO THE, TO THE CRIMINAL, UH, FLOW BECAUSE, UH, WITH THAT, THERE'S, THERE'S CERTIFIED MAILINGS THAT GO OUT. 
          UH, THERE'S, THERE'S APPEALS, UM, IN, IN THE FLOW THAT'S IN OUR, CURRENTLY, IN OUR ORDINANCE. 
          AND THEN WE CAN ALSO, UM, UH, GET INTO THE, UH, TO THE ABATEMENT SIDE IF, IF WE HAVE TO DO THAT DOWN THE ROAD. 
          SO, UM, UH, HERE, HERE'S KIND OF A CARRY OVER ONTO THE COMMERCIAL SIDE WHERE WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL, COMMERCIAL MAINTENANCE ISSUES. 
          YOU CAN SEE THE PHOTO IN THE, IN THE LEFT IS A, IS A BUILDING THAT'S GOT SOME COMMERCIAL MAINTENANCE PROBLEMS. UM, IT LOOKS LIKE IT IMPLODED. 
          I'M SORRY, IT LOOKS LIKE IT IMPLODED. 
          UH, YEAH. 
          UM, AND I, YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW THE HISTORY ON THIS AND FOR THIS PURPOSE, I'M NOT GONNA MENTION IT, BUT IT, BUT IT, THIS IS, I'M JUST, THIS IS A REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT WE COULD DO. 
          BUT YEAH, I, I AGREE. 
          UH, AND THEN WE HAVE A COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT MAINTENANCE. 
          IT'S PRETTY, PRETTY CUT AND DRY. 
          JUST KEEP YOUR PARKING LOT REPAIRED WITH CONCRETE AND ASPHALT. 
          WHEN, WHEN APPLICABLE AND ALLOWED, UH, IMPROPER STORAGE. 
          UH, THIS, THIS IS A GOOD ONE, YOU KNOW, THAT WE CAN PROVE WITH A PHOTOGRAPH. 
          UM, NOW WITH IMPROPER STORAGE, UM, THE, THE, THE, THE ORDINANCE STATES THAT, YOU KNOW, IMPROPER STORAGE HAS TO BE THERE AT LEAST 24 HOURS. 
          SO, UH, ANYTIME WE GET INVOLVED IN AN IMPROPER STORAGE TYPE SITUATION, WE HAVE TO GO OUT, VERIFY THAT IT'S THERE, THAT IT IS IMPROPER STORAGE, THE POTENTIAL OF PROPER IMPROPER STORAGE. 
          WE HAVE TO GO BACK 24 HOURS LATER. 
          IF IT'S STILL THERE, THEN IT'S A VIOLATION. 
          SO THIS PROTECTS PEOPLE FROM CLEANING OUT THEIR GARAGE. 
          YOU KNOW, IF YOU, IF YOU STORE ITEMS OUT ON YOUR DRIVEWAY WHILE YOU'RE CLEANING OUT YOUR GARAGE, YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU GO, YOU KNOW, JUST SO HAPPENS A CODE OFFICER DRIVES BY AND 
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SEES THAT, UM, THEY HAVE TO GO BACK THE NEXT DAY, OR AT LEAST 24 HOURS TO VERIFY IT'S STILL THERE, THEN IT BECOMES AN IMPROPER STORAGE VIOLATION. 
          SO, UH, JUST THAT'S KEY. 
          BUT AGAIN, ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO, TO USE THIS ENFORCEMENT. 
          UH, JUST, JUST ANOTHER PHOTOGRAPH OF IMPROPER STORAGE. 
          UM, AND IMPROPER STORAGE IS BASICALLY ANYTHING THAT'S LEFT OUTDOORS THAT NORMALLY, NORMALLY IS STORED INSIDE, UH, THAT, THAT COULD DETERIORATE IN THE WEATHER. 
          AND, AND, UH, THROUGH, IN THE ELEMENTS, UH, THIS IS, UH, FALLS INTO BOTH COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL. 
          UM, AND, AND MULTIFAMILY. 
          UH, SOMETIMES WE RUN ACROSS, UH, OLD FAITHFUL'S STEPCHILDREN. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU SEE THE, THE PROPERTY HERE ON THE LEFT IS A, IS A SPRINKLER IRRIGATION SYSTEM THAT'S, THAT'S GONE RYE . 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF A, A GEEZER GOING THERE. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, THIS IS, THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT'S, IT'S OCCURRING IN AN ACTION, BUT YOU CAN CAPTURE IT WITH A PHOTOGRAPH AND SEE THAT THAT'S A, UH, UH, THAT'S WATER THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, FLOWING OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE PLUMBING. 
          UH, AND THEN ALSO THE, THE PHOTOGRAPH ON THE RIGHT IS A, UH, A PLUMBING SITUATION, UH, THAT IS, IS INCORRECTLY VENTED, AND IT'S, IT GOES NOWHERE . 
          SO, UH, THESE ARE, THIS IS A, THIS IS A PLUMBING ISSUE THAT WE COULD, WE COULD USE, UH, CIVIL ENFORCEMENT ON, UH, IN JUST ABOUT ANY, ANY SCENARIO. 
          UNSECURED BUILDING AND WEATHERPROOFING. 
          UM, AGAIN, PHOTOGRAPHS OF, OF BUILDINGS THAT ARE, ARE STRUCTURES THAT ARE UNSECURED WITH, WITH, UH, BREACH DOORS, OPEN WINDOWS. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, OUR, UH, OUR OFFICERS ARE, ARE VERY ASTUTE TO DETERMINE IF A, IF A BUILDING, IF A BUILDING IS VACANT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA DRIVE BY AND, AND ISSUE A NOTICE TO SOMEONE THAT'S GOT THEIR WINDOW RAISED,  GETTING FRESH AIR OR WHATEVER. 
          UH, BUT IF WE, IF WE KNOW THAT THIS BUILDING IS VACANT, IT'S UNSECURED, UM, YOU KNOW, WE COULD PROVE, PROVE THAT WITH A, WITH A SERIES OF PHOTOGRAPHS AND, AND OTHER, OTHER, UM, UH, ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO HELP A, HELP AN EXAMINER HEARINGS EXAMINER, UM, UH, RULE ON A, ON A SITUATION. 
          UH, ALSO YOU CAN SEE ON THE PHOTO ON THE LEFT, THE FASCIA THERE HAS GOT, GOT A, A PRETTY GOOD CHUNK OF A ROTTED WOOD, UH, THAT WOULD REQUIRE WEATHERPROOFING AND, AND THE SCRAPING AND PAINTING ISSUES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAT WE COULD, WE COULD PROVIDE WITH A PHOTOGRAPH TO, TO, UM, ENCOURAGE WEATHERPROOFING OF, OF THE STRUCTURE, UH, OUTSIDE STORAGE DISPLAY AT A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. 
          UH, AGAIN, UH, THIS IS, UM, YOU KNOW, A STORAGE DISPLAY, OUTSIDE STORAGE TYPE THING. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE REFER TO IT AS THE, THERE, THERE'S A 5, 5, 5 RULE, UH, FIVE FEET HIGH, NO LONGER THAN FIVE FEET WIDE, AND NO, NO, NO DEEPER THAN FIVE FEET FROM THE, FROM THE BUILDING, FROM THE BUILDING. 
          SO, UH, THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION SHOWS THAT, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY THE WALKWAY IS, IS CONGESTED. 
          UM, AND WE COULD, WE COULD PROVE THAT SITUATION WITH A PHOTO, UH, BLOCKING FIRE LANES, UH, BY AN OBJECT, UH, PARKING IN UN UNMARKED SPACES. 
          THESE ARE, THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE ENCOUNTER FROM, FROM COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. 
          THIS PARTICULAR PHOTO SHOWS MULTIPLE VIOLATIONS. 
          UH, UH, YOU'VE GOT THE, THE DUMPSTER THAT'S LOCATED IN THE FIRE LANE. 
          UH, YOU'VE GOT VEHICLES THAT ARE PARKED, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE SUR, YOU KNOW, PROTECTED BY CONES THAT ARE OBVIOUSLY IN NO PARKING AREAS. 
          UH, SO AGAIN, ANOTHER THING THAT WE CAN, WE CAN PROVE, UH, COMMERCIAL SIGNAGE, UH, BOTH OBSOLETE AND MAINTENANCE. 
          UH, HERE'S A PHOTOGRAPH OF A SIGN THAT'S, UH, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S, THERE'S NOTHING ON IT, BASICALLY. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME TIME LAPSE ON, ON AN OBSOLETE SIGN. 
          YOU KNOW, WE'D HAVE TO SHOW THAT THE SIGN WAS AT THE, THIS CONDITION AT AT POINT A. 
          AND THEN AT POINT B, YOU KNOW, 30, 60, 90 DAYS DOWN THE ROAD, IT'S STILL OBSOLETE. 
          UH, JUST TO SHOW THAT SCENARIO OF, OF TIME LAPSE, UM, TO HELP WITH THAT, UH, PROVE THAT VIOLATION. 
          UH, A COUPLE OF PICTURES OF OUR MULTIFAMILY. 
          UH, THIS IS A, A PICTURE OF A BALCONY THAT'S OBVIOUSLY IN, IN SEVERE DETERIORATION. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, THE FACE PLATE WAS REMOVED, AND YOU SEE THE DAMAGE, THE ROTTED WOOD THERE. 
          UM, JUST SHOWING YOU THAT AS A, AS A VIOLATION TYPE THAT WE COULD, WE COULD, UM, BASICALLY GET TO AN ENFORCEMENT TYPE SITUATION, AN ELECTRICAL, UM, VIOLATION. 
          HERE'S, HERE'S A PHOTOGRAPH OF A JUNCTION BOX THAT'S GOT EXPOSED WIRING AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. 
          SO, SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY, MY PHOTO LIBRARY, UH, JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF SOME OF THE PHOTOS AND, AND THE THINGS THAT WE ENCOUNTER, UH, COMMONLY IN OUR, IN 
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OUR DAILY, DAILY LIVES AT CODE. 
          UM, I KNOW I GAVE YOU A LOT OF INFORMATION. 
          I KNOW YOU PROBABLY HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS, DISCUSSIONS, AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A, A PROPOSAL THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THINGS THAT WE WOULD, UH, WANTED TO BRING FORWARD TO YOU, UM, THAT YOU HAD ASKED FOR TO KIND OF HELP HELP US MOVE ALONG WITH THIS PROCESS. 
          SO, AWESOME. 
          THANK YOU, RICK. 
          AND JUST TO RECAP REAL QUICK, RIGHT, SO WE DISCUSSED THIS BEFORE, AND TODAY WE WANTED TO LOOK AT WHAT OTHER, UH, CIVIL PENALTY PROGRAMS, OTHER CITIES WERE DOING. 
          UM, LOOK AT A LIST OF POTENTIAL, POTENTIAL VIOLATION TYPES, WHAT THE FEES ARE, AND EXAMPLE PHOTOS. 
          UM, LADIES DISCUSSION. 
          I LOVE THIS SO INCREDIBLY MUCH. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THE EFFORT THAT YOU GUYS PUT INTO DOING THIS FOR US. 
          UM, I FEEL LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF TIMES WHERE WE'RE GETTING CALLS AND COMPLAINTS FROM RESIDENTS, AND IT'S LIKE, WELL, MY NEIGHBOR HAS TOO MUCH JUNK IN THEIR BACKYARD. 
          AND IT'S LIKE, OKAY, WELL, WE KNOW THAT THAT'S AGAINST AN ORDINANCE, BUT WHAT DO WE DO? WHAT'S NEXT? SO I THINK THAT THIS GIVES US A NICE LEG TO STAND ON AS FAR AS WHAT COMES NEXT AND WHAT THE POTENTIALS, BUT I ALSO LOVE THAT IT GETS YOU GUYS THE FREEDOM TO MAKE YOUR BEST JUDGMENT ON WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. 
          UM, SO JUST A COUPLE OF MAYBE COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, UM, ON THE COMMERCIAL FINES. 
          I KNOW WE HAD DISCUSSED THIS BEFORE, AND DID WE DETERMINE THAT THE 200 IS THE MAX ON COMMERCIALS THAT WE CAN, THAT WE CAN DO WITHIN THAT SPECTRUM OF, LET ME GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE JUST TO . 
          OH, THERE, IT'S, I DON'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS THIS TOPIC THAT WE WERE DISCUSSING ABOUT 200 BEING THE MAX. 
          WELL, THE, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE WOULD BE, UH, IF IT'S, IF IT'S A CONTINUAL REPEAT OFFENSE, IT WOULD, IF IT EVENTUALLY GOT TO THE $200 LIMIT, THEN IF, IF WE GOT TO A FOURTH, UH, CITATION THAT HAD NOT BEEN, UH, COMPLIED WITH, THEN IT WOULD JUST CONTINUE TO BE ANOTHER $200. 
          SO, UM, AND THEN THE, THE, THE, THE COURT FEES, THE CRIMINAL SIDE IS UP TO 500. 
          AND AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S BASED ON WHAT THE JUDGE DECIDES. 
          AND THEN WITH A, A $2,000 MAX. 
          SO, I DON'T KNOW, AM AM I ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION? UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I INTERJECT HERE, PLEASE? UH, I BELIEVE, UM, COUNCILWOMAN DUTTON THAT THIS WAS DISCUSSED WHEN I WAS DOING ONE OF THE PARKING. 
          OKAY. 
          I, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WAS PRESENTATION, GETTING MY THINGS MIXED. 
          AND, AND WHAT IT WAS, WAS IN THE TRANSPORTATION CODE, MANY MAX FINES WAS $200. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE THAT'S COMING FROM. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WITH THIS ON THE, UM, ON THE ORDINANCE SIDE, OUR JUDGES WILL SET THOSE WHEN THEY COME IN. 
          UM, THEY, THEY TYPICALLY STAY UNDER THAT $500 RANGE FOR SURE, UM, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF SOME HEALTH AND SAFETY AND SOME REPEAT OFFENSES THAT GO UP TO THAT HIGHER AMOUNT. 
          PERFECT. 
          SO THE HEALTH AND SAFETY IS REALLY WHAT WAS KIND OF FUELING THAT QUESTION WAS LIKE, I WOULD HATE FOR SOMEONE THAT IS A SLUMLORD AND HAS SEWAGE GOING ALL OVER EVERYWHERE TO, TO GET A, A LITTLE BABY, $200 FINE. 
          YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO THAT WAS LIKE, THAT WAS KIND OF WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THAT QUESTION. 
          UM, BUT AGAIN, YOU GUYS HAVE THE JUDGMENT CALL AND YOU ARE THE PROFESSIONAL. 
          SO WE, WE, WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          I INTERJECT ONE MORE TIME. 
          , UH, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WITH THIS CIVIL ADJUDICATION PROCESS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THAT WE REMEMBER, THIS WILL BE THE FIRST STEP MM-HMM . 
          SO THAT BABY FINE WOULD BE MAYBE THE START. 
          YEAH. 
          AND IF WE GAIN COMPLIANCE, GREAT, WE'RE DONE. 
          RIGHT? AND IF NOT, WE STILL HAVE THE CRIMINAL SIDE BEHIND IT AND THE NUISANCE ABATEMENT SIDE BEHIND THAT, RIGHT? SO WE HAVE SEVERAL TOOLS HERE AND SEVERAL STEPS WE CAN BE TAKEN. 
          AND YOU KIND OF ANSWERED THAT WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, BEING A HELTER SAFETY THAT THE JUDGE COULD HANDLE ON THAT SIDE. 
          SO, HI ANDY. 
          HI, . 
          CAN I ASK A QUESTION? CAN, CAN THAT FINE BE LEVIED ON A DAILY BASIS UNTIL COMPLIANCE IS GAINED? IT CAN, BUT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SOME PROBLEMS. AND I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, WE ON THE PARKING SIDE OF IT RIGHT NOW, IT'S, UH, VIOLATIONS EVERY THIRD DAY. 
          SO WE GO OUT, WE WRITE A TICKET TODAY. 
          UM, WE'RE NOT GONNA WRITE A SAME TICKET FOR THAT SAME VIOLATION FOR THREE DAYS DOWN THE ROAD. 
          UM, THAT'S NOT GONNA WORK. 
          IN SOME OF YOUR INSTANCES, LIKE WITH HIGH GRASS, UH, YOU KNOW, WE GIVE THEM A HEARING DATE THAT'S SET OUT EVEN FURTHER, 45 TO 60 DAYS OUT FROM THE DAY OF THE TICKET. 
          UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO REALLY LOOK AT THIS WHEN WE'RE, WHEN WE'RE PUTTING TOGETHER THESE ORDINANCES, UM, AND CONSIDERING THESE VIOLATIONS ON HOW ALL THAT DUE PROCESS WILL WORK. 
          BUT FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT, DEPENDING ON HOW WE MAY MAKE A INTERNAL POLICY ON CERTAIN CATEGORIES OF SEVERITY OR COUNSEL PRIORITY, FOR EXAMPLE, WE COULD SAY UNTIL COMPLIANCE IS GAINED, WE COULD, WE COULD CONTINUE. 
          AND WE'VE DONE IT IN SOME CASES, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, UM, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S A DEMOLITION ORDER, SOMETHING MORE SEVERE THAT IS, ENDS UP BEING, BUT 
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SINCE IT'S JUST ON THE CIVIL SIDE, IT WON'T HAVE A, IS IT A JUDGMENT CALL THAT THEY COULD MAKE? WHETHER IT ESCALATES TO A, A CITATION THAT THE COURT WOULD DECIDE, OR WE COULD, COULD WE CONTINUE TO WRITE ONE OF THESE LEVELS OF TICKETS FOR WHATEVER'S APPROPRIATE UNTIL COMPLIANCE IS GAINED? BOTH, UH, YOU, IT COULD BE ON A DAILY BASIS. 
          WE'VE SET THE PARKING LOT UP ON ONCE EVERY THIRD THREE DAYS, WHICH MAY CHANGE IN THE FUTURE MAY BE A RECOMMENDATION FOR A CHANGE ON THAT ONE. 
          EVEN. 
          UM, ON THE CRIMINAL SIDE, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, ANDY, IT'S ONCE PER DAY. 
          UM, AS LONG AS THE NOTICES ARE THERE AND ALL THAT'S APPLIED, UH, APPLIED, RIGHT? SO IF YOU GIVE THE NOTICES THAT WERE REQUIRED, YOU WRITE THE TICKET, I WOULD ASSUME FROM THAT POINT, MOVING FORWARD EVERY DAY YOU COULD WRITE AN ADDITIONAL TICKET UNTIL WE, WE GAIN COMPLIANCE. 
          AND, AND THE REASON I WANNA POINT THAT OUT IS BECAUSE I THINK WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S IN ALIGNMENT WITH COUNSEL'S PRIORITIES IN, IN TERMS OF HOW DO WE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S GONNA BE A VARIETY OF THINGS THAT ARE ABSOLUTELY LIFE SAFETY. 
          THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S GONNA BE MULTIPLE CATEGORIES THAT SOME JUST COME DOWN TO UNATTRACTIVE AND, AND JUST BOTHERSOME, BUT STILL A CODE VIOLATION. 
          SO WE WOULD THEN MAYBE USE SOME JUDGMENT ON HOW TO ALIGN THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT, HEY, THIS IS A CLEAR GUIDANCE THAT WE, WE'VE GOTTA BRING THIS INTO COMPLIANCE CITYWIDE. 
          WE'RE, YOU'RE GONNA GET ONE OF THESE UNTIL YOU GET IT TOGETHER AND WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE IN ALIGNMENT. 
          YEAH, NO, ABSOLUTELY. 
          I, I AGREE WITH THAT WHOLEHEARTEDLY. 
          'CAUSE I WOULDN'T WANT SOMEONE WITH RAW SEWAGE GOING EVERYWHERE AND WELL, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST GONNA, YOU KNOW, WELL, YOU GOT TWO DAYS AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK OUT. 
          LIKE, NO, THAT, THAT, RIGHT. 
          NOT ONLY IS IT UNSIGHTLY, IT'S, IT IS A LIFE SAFETY ISSUE. 
          AND SO IT'S, I I, I AGREE WITH THAT. 
          IF WE, IF OUR, IF OUR GUYS HAVE THAT, UM, ABILITY TO MAKE THE JUDGMENT CALL, LIKE THIS IS A LIFE SAFETY SITUATION, LIKE IT NEEDS TO, IF IT, IF IT CAN BE REMEDIED IN 24 HOURS, THEN YOU SHOULD RIGHT. 
          BE ABLE TO MAKE THOSE, YOU KNOW, THOSE EFFORTS. 
          SO I, I LIKE THAT. 
          YEAH, THE GOALS, COMPLIANCE, WHATEVER IT TAKES. 
          AND I THINK THIS WILL BE A LEARNING CURVE FOR US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE, YOU KNOW, CAN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE HAVE TO ALTER SOME POLICIES AND, AND SOME PROCEDURES IN ORDER TO BE IN ALIGNMENT WITH, YOU KNOW, WHAT MAKES SENSE FOR THE RIGHT. 
          WE DON'T, WE ALSO DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, HARASS FOLKS FOR, FOR THINGS THAT AREN'T APPROPRIATE. 
          BUT IN THAT SITUATION, THAT WOULD, YEAH, TOP THE LIST. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, ANDY. 
          THANK YOU, SEAN. 
          UM, SO JUST A COUPLE MORE, UH, LITTLE THINGS THAT HOPEFULLY THEY'LL BE FAST . 
          UM, WHAT ABOUT LAWN COMPANIES THAT ARE BLOWING INTO THE STREETS? I KNOW IT'S HARD FOR YOU GUYS TO CATCH, UM, AND KNOWING THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE LIKE, THE PHOTO EVIDENCE OF IT HAPPENING. 
          SO SAY IF I'M DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD AND I SEE A COMPANY'S LANDSCAPING CREW OUT THERE BLOWING INTO THE STREET, IF I'M ABLE TO GET A PHOTO OF IT THAT WOULD PROVE THE LOCATION, YOU KNOW, LIKE SAY THE, THE BUILDING OR WHATEVER, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD ADD TO THIS? OR HOW, HOW DO WE TYPICALLY GO ABOUT THAT SITUATION? WELL, TYPICALLY WHAT WE DO IS WE USUALLY, WHEN WE, BY THE TIME WE GET THERE, THEY'RE GONE, RIGHT? UH, WE, WE MIGHT, WE MIGHT SEE THE EVIDENCE LEFT BEHIND, YOU KNOW, THE, THE WEEDS AND THE, THE DEBRIS AND THE, UM, LEFT IN THE STREET AND WHAT WE CURRENTLY DO, EVEN, EVEN THOUGH THE, THE OFFENSE IS NOT OCCURRING AT THE TIME, USUALLY WE'LL, WE'LL TRY TO MAKE CONTACT WITH THAT PROPERTY OWNER AND JUST EXPLAIN TO 'EM THAT, HEY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S EVIDENCE HERE. 
          YOU'VE, YOUR, YOUR LAWN COMPANY OR YOU OR WHOEVER HAS BLOWN LAWN WASTE INTO THE STREET. 
          AND THAT'S A VIOLATION. 
          AND WE, WE, WE'VE GOT A, A, A FLYER, UH, A WASTEWATER STORM, SEWAGE, A STORM DRAIN FLYER THAT WE GIVE THEM AND EXPLAINS THE ORDINANCE AND, AND THAT'S A VIOLATION. 
          AND JUST THAT, THAT'S HOW WE CURRENTLY DO IT. 
          UM, AND WE CAN WORK THROUGH THE, THROUGH THROUGH SEAN ON THIS, BUT I, THERE MAY BE SOME CHALLENGES TO THAT. 
          UM, HE BEEPED IN, SO I'M GONNA SEE IT. 
          YEAH. 
          THERE, THERE, THERE, YEAH, THERE COULD BE SOME CHALLENGES, BUT, UH, I, I THINK THERE ARE, AND, AND, AND THIS CODE SITE PROGRAM'S GONNA BE ADDRESS BASED. 
          SO I GUESS IF WE KNEW IT, IT, IT WOULD WORK IN CERTAIN INSTANCES, IF WE'RE DRIVING DOWN THE STREET, WE SEE THE GRASS IN THE STREET IN FRONT OF IT, AND WE CAN SAY IT'S THAT RESIDENCE GRASS. 
          UH, YOU TAKE THOSE PICTURES AND MAYBE IT WORKS THERE, AND THEN YOU HOLD THE HOMEOWNER WHO, WHO ALLOWED IT TO SUFFER, UH, THE LITTERING BY THE, THE COMPANY. 
          BUT THAT, THAT'S A REAL HARD ONE, RIGHT? BECAUSE THE HOMEOWNER'S NOT THE ONE THAT BLEW THE GRASS INTO THE STREET. 
          RIGHT? RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          AND, AND THAT'S, I I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF TIMES WHERE, WELL, I MEAN, THEY KNOW WHO THEIR LAWNS, THEIR LAWN COMPANY IS. 
          SO IF WE APPROACH THEM AND WE GIVE THEM THAT NOTIFICATION LIKE, HEY, LIKE YOUR CREW IS, YOU KNOW, BLOWING INTO THE STREET, IT'S AGAINST THIS ORDINANCE, THEN IF, YOU KNOW, THEY GOT BUSTED AGAIN DOING IT, THEN I FEEL LIKE MAYBE NOT THE HOMEOWNER. 
          WELL, WE WOULD KNOW WHO THE COMPANY IS, SO THEN WE COULD GO AFTER THE COMPANY. 
          BUT, 
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UM, LOOK, 'CAUSE I SNITCH ON EVERYBODY. 
          I DON'T CARE. 
          I, I SEE PEOPLE DOING STUPID STUFF ALL THE TIME. 
          I'M GONNA SNITCH ON YOU. 
          I'M GONNA TAKE PICTURES, . 
          SO THERE'S, THERE'S SO, AND, AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE WASTEWATER THING IS, IT'S A IT IMPORTANT PART OF, YOU KNOW, NOT BLOWING YOUR CLIPPINGS INTO THE STREET, BUT THEN WE ALSO HAVE LIKE THE LEAVES AND THEN IT RAINS AND IT'S SLICK. 
          AND THEN THERE'S MOTORCYCLES THAT, IT'S A WHOLE PLETHORA OF THINGS THAT PEOPLE DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND. 
          YOU KNOW, THAT YOU'RE CREATING DIFFERENT ISSUES. 
          AND SO IT DRIVES ME BATTY THAT WE HAVE ORDINANCES THAT WE, WE CAN'T ENFORCE. 
          AND SO IT'S LIKE, WELL, WHY, WHY DO WE HAVE IT? AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE CHALLENGE FOR US. 
          'CAUSE IF IT'S NATURALLY OCCURRING, LEAVES FALL OFF. 
          TREES FOR SURE LEAVES, LEAVES BLOWING THE STREET, THEY GET IN THE STORM DRAIN, BUT IF SOMEBODY'S INTENTIONALLY DOING IT, THAT'S, THAT'S A DIFFERENT BALL GAME. 
          SO WITH ALL THESE ALSO KEEP IN MIND THAT THE PICTURE IS GONNA HAVE TO PROVE WHATEVER THE CONDUCT WAS. 
          UM, SO AS WE GO THROUGH THIS, THIS LIST THAT RICK HAS PRESENTED, WE'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH HE AND I AND SAID, YEAH, THESE MAY WORK, BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO REALLY LOOK AT THE ELEMENTS OF EACH ORDINANCE AND AND SEE IF IT WILL DOWN THE ROAD, RIGHT. 
          FOR THIS PROGRAM, WHEN, WHEN IT GETS BACK TO ALL, ALL WE'RE GONNA HAVE IS AN ADDRESS AND A PICTURE, AND AN ADMIN JUDGE IS SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO DETERMINE THE VIOLATION OCCURRED BY THAT PICTURE. 
          RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          YEAH, DEFINITELY. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S OBVIOUS TWEAKINGS THAT NEED TO HAPPEN. 
          AND, UM, I THINK THAT THIS IS A FANTASTIC START THOUGH. 
          AND SO, UM, I HAD ONE QUESTION ABOUT, UM, FENCE, THE FENCE MAINTENANCE. 
          SO I KNOW LIKE WE HAVE CODE CARES, UM, AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          I WOULD HATE FOR SOMEONE TO GET A FINE FIST BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD FENCES ARE SO EXPENSIVE. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE HAS HAD TO GET A QUOTE ON REPLACING A FENCE, BUT HOLY MACKEREL, , THEY'RE VERY EXPENSIVE. 
          LIKE MY, MY FENCES, MY, MY BACK FENCE, UH, SPANS FOUR HOUSES, LIKE IT, AND IT, IT'S A LOT OF MONEY. 
          SO I WOULD HATE FOR SOMEONE, YOU KNOW, TO, TO GET FINED FOR A FENCE THAT THEY JUST, I MEAN, THERE'S IT, THERE'S NO WAY THEY CAN AFFORD IT. 
          SO. 
          WELL, AND, AND WITH THAT, AND I HOPE COUNCILMAN BASS MENTIONED THAT LAST AT THE LAST MEETING, AND, AND AGAIN, OUR, OUR, OUR PHILOSOPHY AND OUR CUSTOMER SERVICE AND OUR WILLINGNESS TO HELP WITH THROUGH CODE CARES AND OFFER ANY KIND OF RESOURCES THAT THE CITY OFFERS THAT WE HAVE AT OUR DISPOSAL, THOSE, THOSE WILL CONTINUE THIS. 
          AND, AND AGAIN, IT, IT, WE RELY ON PEOPLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH US. 
          SO IF WE SEE THE VIOLATION, AGAIN, WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH THE NOTIFICATION PROCESS, WE'RE GONNA DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO GET THEM TO COMMUNICATE WITH US. 
          AND IF THERE IS A, IF THERE IS A PROBLEM, THEN WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN OFFER THAT AS A RESOURCE SO THAT, THAT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE. 
          NOW, EVEN, EVEN CURRENTLY, I MEAN, WE MAY GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE GET TO AN ESCALATED ENFORCEMENT BEFORE SOMEBODY REACHES OUT TO US. 
          AND, AND, AND WHEN THAT OCCURS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT SHY. 
          WE, WE WILL DISMISS A TICKET AND WE WILL, WE WILL CHANGE COURSE AND WE'LL DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO HELP THAT PERSON, UH, COMPLY. 
          SO WE, WE, WE DO THAT ALL THE TIME. 
          AND, AND IT'S JUST, IT COULD BE A DELAY IN THEIR, THEIR ABILITY TO COMMUNICATE WITH US OR TO GET, GET WITH US AND SAY, HEY, I'M, I'M HAVING HARDSHIPS. 
          UH, BUT ONCE WE FIND THAT OUT, WE, WE CHANGE COURSE. 
          YOU KNOW, WE, WE TRY TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN AND WE, WE WILL CONTINUE THAT. 
          I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT CODE CURES HELPED WITH. 
          UM, LIKE, OH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          WE HAVE VOLUNTEERS AND, AND, AND, AND EVEN OUR STAFF, YOU KNOW, IF OUR STAFF, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE GOT GUYS THAT CAN HAMMER A , RIGHT? HAMMER A NAIL. 
          SO WE, WE'LL WITH PERMISSION AND, YOU KNOW, THEY MAY HAVE TO PROVIDE THE MATERIALS, BUT IF WE, IF THEY NEED LABOR OR JUST ASSISTANCE, PUT IN A FEW PICKETS OR WHATEVER, OR ATTACHING IT'S, IT'S CAME LOOSE AND IT'S LEANING OR WHATEVER. 
          WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL HELP 'EM AS MUCH AS WE CAN. 
          PERFECT. 
          DO THAT ALL THE TIME. 
          PERFECT. 
          AWESOME. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. 
          AGAIN, I MEAN, THIS IS, I THINK, A GREAT STEP IN, IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, SO THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU CARISSA. 
          CHRIS, UM, UM, I RECOGNIZE SOME OF THESE PICTURES, . 
          UM, YOU WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO  JUST BECAUSE I'VE DRIVEN BY THESE PLACES. 
          UM, NO, I, I, I THINK THIS IS A WONDERFUL IDEA. 
          UM, CARISSA ASKED MOST OF MY QUESTIONS, SO, UM, MY ISSUE IS, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT FOR THINGS LIKE OUTSIDE STORAGE THAT WE DO HAVE, THERE ARE SOME OUTSIDE STORAGE. 
          YES, IT NEEDS TO BE CLEANED UP, BUT THERE'S SOME THAT IT'S, AND I KNOW OUR CODE OFFICERS CAN MAKE THIS JUDGMENT IF IT'S GOT RATS AND SNAKES AND STUFF IN IT. 
          IT'S A LIFE SAFETY AND IT NEEDS TO BE DONE IMMEDIATELY. 
          IF IT'S JUST STUFF PILED UP ON THE BACK PORCH, BE 
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A LITTLE MORE LENIENT AND HELPFUL ON THEM GETTING IT CLEANED UP. 
          THAT'S, THOSE ARE MY TWO ISSUES. 
          UM, I'VE LIVED BETWEEN TWO NEIGHBORS THAT WERE EXACTLY THAT WAY. 
          ONE, IT WAS LIKE, OKAY, RATS ARE HERE, AND THIS ONE, IT'S NICE AND NEAT AND I, IT'S UNSIGHTLY, BUT IT'S NEAT. 
          SO, UM, IT WASN'T AS BIG A ORDEAL. 
          SO AS LONG AS OUR CODE OFFICERS USE THAT JUDGMENT, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. 
          UM, BUT I DO AGREE THERE'S TIMES IT NEEDS TO BE EVERY DAY, AND THERE'S TIMES IT MAY NEED TO BE LIKE ONCE A WEEK FOLLOW UP. 
          SO. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          I JUST HAD A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. 
          UM, THIS IS A LOT OF WORK. 
          I DID GO OVER IT AND IT ON MY PHONE AND IT'S A LOT OF WORK, SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AWESOME. 
          THANK YOU LADIES. 
          RICK, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE TIME YOU GUYS HAVE PUT INTO THIS. 
          I WANNA SAY, FIRST OF ALL, UM, I REALLY, REALLY TRULY APPRECIATE THAT OUR CODE COMPLIANCE DEPARTMENT, UM, IS, UH, WORKS, YOU KNOW, SUBJECTIVELY AND WITH EMPATHY AND, YOU KNOW, AND I DO BELIEVE THAT STARTS AT THE TOP. 
          AND SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THE, UH, THE, UH, EXAMPLE THAT YOU SET FOR THE STAFF. 
          UM, I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE ARE, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST A PROACTIVE DEPARTMENT GOING OUT THERE HANDING OUT VIOLATIONS. 
          SO I, I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. 
          UM, COUPLE THINGS REAL QUICK HERE. 
          QUICKEST ONE TO ANSWER OUR, I I NOTICED ON OUR HIGH GRASP THAT WAS NOT A MEASURING STICK. 
          UM, DO WE USE A MEASURING STICK? YEAH. 
          YES, WE DO. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, NOW WE, WE CAN PROBABLY TIGHTEN UP THAT PROCESS AND WE NEED TO, WE, WE HAVE A 12 INCH CONE THAT WE USE IN PHOTOGRAPHS, AND I APOLOGIZE. 
          I'VE, I'VE GOT PHOTOS, I JUST DIDN'T AND THAT'S A GOOD POINT. 
          YEAH, BECAUSE WE, WE DO HAVE, WE DO, AND WE CAN, WE CAN STAND THERE WITH A TAPE MEASURE. 
          WE, WE CAN DO WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO TO, TO IMPROVE. 
          AND WE PROBABLY SHOULD TIGHTEN ON THAT, TIGHTEN THAT UP A LITTLE BIT. 
          YEAH. 
          ESPECIALLY SINCE WE'RE SWITCHING THIS TO A, TO A CIVIL YES. 
          YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND THEN, UM, TO, UH, COUNCIL LADY DUTTON'S, UM, WAS TALKING ABOUT HEALTH AND SAFETY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I WANNA KIND OF TIE THAT ONE IN WITH THE, UH, ESCALATION SCALE. 
          SO, AND I KNOW WE HAD SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS REAL QUICK, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, AND, AND JUST LOOKING AT THE LIST, THERE WERE A COUPLE THINGS, AND YOU GUYS ARE GONNA KNOW BETTER THAN I, BUT HEALTH AND SAFETY THINGS SUCH AS SEWAGE, HAZARDOUS ELECTRICAL, HAZARDOUS PLUMBING, YOU KNOW, FAULTY STAIRS, THAT KIND OF STUFF. 
          UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE, IF, IF WE WANNA PULL THE PULL A HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUES ASIDE, BECAUSE THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, MORE OF AN EMERGENCY THAT THEY GET TAKEN CARE OF. 
          UM, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT HAVE A, UM, POSSIBLY A DIFFERENT, UH, ESCALATION SCALE. 
          AND ON ESCALATION SCALE, FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T, WHAT IS THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE TIMING BETWEEN THE OFFENSES? WHAT IS THE, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE TIMING BETWEEN GOING FROM CIVIL TO CRIMINAL? DO WE HAVE FLEXIBILITY ON THAT? IF, YOU KNOW, DO WE NEED TO HAVE A, YOU KNOW, A SHORTER, I MEAN, I WOULD DEFINITELY THINK THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A, YOU KNOW, A TIGHTER, A TIGHTER, UH, OFFENSIVE ESCALATION IF IT'S A HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUE. 
          UM, BUT YEAH, WHAT IS THE TIMING ON RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL BETWEEN THE OFFENSES? WHAT IS THE TIMING GOING FROM CIVIL TO CRIMINAL? UM, WHAT'S THAT LOOK LIKE? AND THEN I'D LIKE THE, UH, THE TIMING TO BE TIED TO A VIOLATION TYPE, REGARDLESS OF RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL. 
          'CAUSE FOR EXAMPLE, YOU COULD HAVE A RESIDENTIAL THAT'S A RENTAL PROPERTY AND THE TENANT IN THERE HA YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT THE ONE CALLING THE PLUMBER, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF STUFF, SO. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, SO YEAH, I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME LITTLE MORE DETAIL ON THAT. 
          AND THEN, UM, THE OTHER THING I HAD, UH, WANTED TO DISCUSS ON, ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, THE, UM, THE ESCALATION OF $50 PER OFFENSE MAKES SENSE ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE, IT'S VERY UNEVEN. 
          WE'RE GOING FROM 40 TO 75, WHICH IS A $35 INCREASE TO THE SECOND OFFENSE, AND THEN WE'RE ONLY GOING UP $25 TO THE THIRD OFFENSE. 
          I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT A LITTLE, EVEN I'D PERSONALLY, I'D LIKE TO SEE IT 40, 81, 20. 
          SO IT'S NICE AND EVEN, AND THEN THERE'S NO ARGUMENT WITH THE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE RESIDENT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WELL, IS THIS THE SECOND OFFENSE OR IS IT A, YOU KNOW, IS IT A NEW OFFENSE? IF IT'S AN EVEN 40 BUCKS ON EACH ONE, THAT'S MOOT. 
          UM, SO I, I'D LIKE TO, I THINK THAT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE. 
          UM, IF, IF, I MAY NOT TO INTERRUPT YOUR TR NO, NO, BUT ON THE, ON YOUR, YOUR JUST QUESTIONS IN ABOUT THE LIFE SAFETY, UM, OUR WORKFLOWS BUILD COMPLIANCE TIMES IN BASED ON VIOLATION TYPE. 
          SO YOUR TYPICAL NUISANCE TYPE THINGS REQUIRE BY, BY LAW SEVEN DAYS. 
          AND WE, WE EVEN BUILD IN MAILING TIME, UH, AND THEN AN INSPECTION TIME RE YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR, OUR POLICIES TO REINSPECT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DAY AFTER THE COMPLIANCE TIME. 
          IF, IF, YOU KNOW, WE, WE TRY 
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TO GET THERE, SOMETIMES WE CAN'T. 
          BUT, UH, AN EXAMPLE WOULD BE LIKE A LIFE SAFETY SEWAGE, UH, REQUIRES A LOT LESS COMPLIANCE TIME THAN, THAN REPAIRING A FENCE. 
          SO JUST TO, JUST TO COMPARE, WE, WE HAVE THAT BUILT IN. 
          IT'S, IT'S, SOME OF IT'S DICTATED BY ORDINANCE AND SOME OF IT'S BY POLICY. 
          AND WE, WE'VE MADE CHANGES TO THOSE TIMELINES OVER THE YEARS, YOU KNOW? UM, AND SO, AND, AND ONCE, ONCE WE MEET THE LEGAL THRESHOLD, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ADJUST THOSE TIME PERIODS, YOU KNOW, FROM 30 TO 15 OR WHATEVER. 
          BUT AS LONG AS WE MEET THE LEGAL THRESHOLD, ANYTHING AFTER THAT, WE CAN ADJUST. 
          BUT, UM, AND, AND I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW, THE, THE HEALTH AND SAFETY CODE, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY GIVES US A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME OR LESS TIME TO, TO, TO REQUIRE COMPLIANCE. 
          SO WE CAN, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT. 
          AND WE, AND WE HAVE THOSE VIOLATION TYPES CATEGORIZED, YOU KNOW, SO WE, THAT THAT WON'T BE A PROBLEM. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          WHEN WE PRESENT THIS TO COUNSEL THAT I GUARANTEE THOSE QUESTIONS ARE GONNA COME UP. 
          SURE. 
          UM, ALRIGHT. 
          COOL. 
          AND THEN, UM, REASONING ON THE, ON THE, ON THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL, ON THE FINE ESCALATION, UM, CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE REASONING BEHIND THAT? OR DO YOU LIKE MY IDEA OF JUST GOING UP EVEN ON EACH ONE OF THEM? I, I, I LIKE YOUR IDEA. 
          I, I BELIEVE IN KEEPING IT SWEET AND SIMPLE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, AND SO, YES, UM, , HONESTLY, WE JUST, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ALL NEW. 
          UH, WE JUST, YOU KNOW, WE JUST GRABBED THESE NUMBERS AND, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAD TO START SOMEWHERE, SO WE DID GLAD FOR YOUR FEEDBACK AND, AND YES, THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE. 
          AND WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT IF THAT'S WHAT THE COMMITTEE DESIRES. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, LADIES THING ABOUT WHAT I BROUGHT UP MAKES SENSE TO ME. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I, I THINK HONESTLY, UM, I DON'T, I DON'T LIKE THINGS BEING STUCK IN COMMITTEE . 
          UM, I THINK WITH THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT, THAT YOU GUYS CAN COME UP WITH A NICE PRESENTATION FOR US TO TAKE THE COUNCIL, LIKE WHAT YOU'VE DONE, UM, WITH A COUPLE OF, UH, CLARIFICATIONS ON, UM, HEALTH AND SAFETY AND HOW THE FINES ESCALATE, AND THEN HOW IT GOES FROM CIVIL TO CRIMINAL AND THEN ADJUSTING THE RESIDENTIAL, UM, I THINK WOULD BE GOOD TO GO. 
          AGREED. 
          GREAT. 
          OKAY. 
          AWESOME. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK YOU PUT INTO THIS. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          OKAY, THAT BEING SAID, MOVING ON TO ITEM THREE C, DISCUSS DOWNTOWN SQUARE PROGRAMMING AND USAGE POLICY AND CARISSA, WHAT HAPPENED TO OUR VISITORS? OH, UM, SO WE DID HAVE, UM, TWO, UH, FRIENDS THAT WERE HERE. 
          UM, IT'S ACTUALLY THE OWNER OF THE ROLLETTE FLORIST. 
          AND IT, UH, DANA, I COULD GET WITH YOU, UH, AFTER THIS, UH, THING. 
          UM, SHE JUST HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, BUT IT DIDN'T REALLY PERTAIN TO WHAT WE WERE GONNA BE DISCUSSING TODAY. 
          SO I JUST, OKAY, SO THEY'RE NOT WAITING OUT THERE? NO, NO, NO. 
          SHE REALIZED THAT, UM, WHAT THE QUESTIONS THAT SHE HAD WERE NOT GOING TO BE WHAT WE WERE DISCUSSING TODAY. 
          AND SO I TOLD HER LIKE, OKAY, LET ME, I'LL GET BACK WITH YOU. 
          LET ME TALK TO DANA AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL GET YOU TAKEN CARE OF. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I'M MISSING OUT ON ANYTHING. 
          YEAH, NO, VERY SWEET LADY. 
          OKAY. 
          AWESOME. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          IT'S STILL MORNING. 
          GOOD MORNING GUYS. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          MORNING. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          NOT AFTERNOON. 
          YEAH, A LITTLE HUNGRY THOUGH, SAYING IT'S MY MOM'S BIRTHDAY. 
          I'M LEAVING HERE AND GOING AND MEETING HER FIRST. 
          OH, NICE. 
          THAT'S GREAT. 
          NO PRESSURE. 
          . 
          RIGHT. 
          WELL, I'LL BE QUICK . 
          UM, WELL, UH, THANK YOU FOR, UH, HAVING THIS BACK TO VISIT ABOUT, UM, THE BEST PRACTICES FOR THE DOWNTOWN SQUARE. 
          UM, WE DEFINITELY HEARD THE, UM, WORK SESSIONS SUGGESTIONS, AND HOPEFULLY WE'VE COME BACK AND ADDRESSED SOME OF THOSE. 
          SO JUST AS A REMINDER FOR THIS PARTICULAR CONVERSATION, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THAT VERY CENTER PART AND THE FOUR STREETS THAT IMMEDIATELY SURROUND IT. 
          UM, WE DID WANT TO, OF COURSE, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, UM, THE DOWNTOWN, BUT WE WANTED TO, UM, KIND OF SHOW YOU HOLISTICALLY HOW MANY EVENTS ARE ACTUALLY HAPPENING ACROSS THE CITY. 
          UM, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT, UH, THE, THE FOLKS THAT, UM, ARE HERE TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE EVENTS ARE SUCCESSFUL ACROSS THE WHOLE ENTIRE CITY. 
          AND JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF, OF AN AWARENESS OF HOW MANY EVENTS ARE HAPPENING AND, UM, JUST AN FYI, THAT THIS LIST IS WHAT WE KNOW OF BY THE END OF JANUARY. 
          I'M SURE THIS LIST IS PROBABLY GONNA DOUBLE BEFORE THE, UM, YEAR ENDS. 
          AND, UM, THESE ARE EVENTS THAT 
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SOME WAY SOMEHOW THE CITY TOUCHES THEM. 
          UM, SO IT'S NOT JUST THOSE THAT ARE PERMITTED, BUT THAT ARE GETTING SOME FORM OF RESOURCE, UM, FROM THE CITY. 
          IT MAY BE VERY MINOR, LIKE SOME BARRICADES, OR IT MAY BE A MUCH HEAVIER LIFT. 
          SO JUST WANTED TO KIND OF SHARE THIS, UM, LIST WITH YOU. 
          UM, IT'S LONG, OBVIOUSLY WE ARE NOT GONNA GO THROUGH IT, BUT THIS, UH, FIRST SLIDE IS KIND OF JANUARY AND FEBRUARY. 
          THIS, UM, SLIDE IS MAINLY MARCH AND APRIL. 
          UM, MAINLY MAY. 
          WE HAVE JUNE AND JULY, UM, AUGUST THROUGH OCTOBER, AND THEN ALL THE WAY THROUGH DECEMBER. 
          SO WE JUST WANTED, WE KIND OF SEE THAT VISIBLE OF WHAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT THERE ON THE MAIN SQUARE AND DON'T REALLY REALIZE, EVEN I, WHEN I SAW THIS LIST WAS LIKE, WOW, , IT WAS EVEN SURPRISING TO ME. 
          AND ALL OF THESE PERMITS COME THROUGH MY OFFICE. 
          SO, UM, SO JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU. 
          UM, JUST TO KIND OF GIVE MORE OF A HOLISTIC APPROACH. 
          UM, IT DOES TAKE A VILLAGE, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE EVENTS ARE SUCCESSFUL THROUGH, THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND IT'S MUCH GREATER THAN THE SPECIAL EVENTS DEPARTMENT. 
          WE'RE ACTUALLY A VERY SMALL PART OF IT. 
          UM, THE, YOU KNOW, POLICE AND FIRE AND PARKS OPERATIONS AND, UH, OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. 
          IT JUST, IT TAKES QUITE A FEW EVENTS. 
          UH, I MEAN QUITE A FEW DEPARTMENTS TO, UM, ASSIST WITH THE EVENTS THAT HAPPEN ACROSS THE CITY. 
          SO JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, THERE WAS AN AWARENESS THAT THIS IS NOT JUST A SPECIAL EVENTS DEPARTMENT, UM, UH, PLAN. 
          THIS IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING LOOKING AT THE, YOU KNOW, THE CITYWIDE, UH, DEPARTMENTS THAT HELP US. 
          AND ALSO JUST WANTED TO ASSURE YOU THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE VERY DEDICATED TO MAKING SURE THAT THE VIBRANCY OF THE DOWNTOWN SQUARE REMAINS, OR IS THAT, THAT THERE IS AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF VIBRANCY. 
          UM, WE HAVE DOUBLED THE NUMBER OF, UM, CITY PRODUCED EVENTS SINCE 2019. 
          SINCE COVID AND CONSTRUCTION. 
          UH, WE ARE BRINGING TWO EVENTS BACK DOWN TO THE SQUARE THIS YEAR. 
          WE'RE BRINGING, UM, ASIAN AMERICAN HERITAGE FESTIVAL TO THE SQUARE FOR THE FIRST TIME. 
          AND WE ARE ALSO MOVING BIG ART DAY FROM THE GRANDVILLE OVER TO THE SQUARE. 
          UM, WE HAVE ALSO, UM, ENGAGED IN A DEDICATED STAFF PERSON IN THE DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT OFFICE WHOSE SOLE RESPONSIBILITY IS TO CREATE A LOT OF SMALLER ACTIVATIONS. 
          SHE HAS MORE THAN 40, UM, EVENTS PLANNED ON HER SCHEDULE FOR 2025. 
          SO LOOKING AT, UH, THOSE SMALLER ACTIVATIONS, THE LARGER EVENTS THAT THE SPECIAL EVENTS DEPARTMENT DOES, AND ALSO URBAN MARKET, IT'S MORE THAN 60 EVENTS THAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE DOWNTOWN SQUARE BETWEEN NOW AND THE REST OF THE YEAR. 
          UM, I DID ALSO WANNA JUST SAY THAT, UM, THE DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT OFFICE WITH THEIR SMALLER ACTIVATIONS IS VERY ENGAGED WITH THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES. 
          MOST OF THEIR, UM, ACTIVATIONS UTILIZE THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES AS, UM, PART OF THE PACKAGE. 
          LIKE, UH, DO YOU WANNA PROVIDE A SWEETHEART DEAL FOR FEBRUARY? UM, WE MAY CREATE A PASSPORT PROGRAM WHERE YOU HAVE TO GO TO EACH, UH, BUSINESS TO WIN SOMETHING. 
          LIKE WE, WE REALLY TRY TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT JUST OUT THERE, UH, NOT WORKING WITH THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES. 
          WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT THOSE KINDS OF ACTIVATIONS ARE DRIVING THAT FOOT TRAFFIC AND WORKING WITH THOSE, UM, WITH THOSE BUSINESSES AS WELL. 
          UM, I DID ALSO VISIT WITH THE PRESIDENT OF THE GDBA AND, UM, SHE, UH, FELT LIKE THE ORGANIZATION COULD STAND BEHIND WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING TODAY. 
          UM, WE DID ALSO HEAR, UM, FROM THE DECEMBER PRESENTATION THAT WE JUST WANTED TO HAVE SOME CLARITY ON, UM, UH, WHAT TRIGGERS A SPECIAL EVENTS PERMIT AND HOW YOU GO AND GET ONE. 
          SO JUST KIND OF IN A QUICK LITTLE NUTSHELL, UM, IT'S AN ATTENDANCE OVER A HUNDRED PEOPLE, WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE USING ANY TEMPORARY STRUCTURES, WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE BLOCKING ANY PUBLIC PROPERTY, UM, IF THEY HAVE ANY VENDORS, UM, AMPLIFIED SOUND. 
          AND THEN THERE IS ON THE WEBSITE, YOU'LL SEE IN DOWNTOWN, AND I KNOW SOME PEOPLE WERE THROWN 
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OFF BY THAT, BUT IT'S NOT THAT IT'S DOWNTOWN THAT TRIGGERS IT, IT'S THAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT OUR CALENDAR IS, THERE'S SO MUCH GOING ON IN DOWNTOWN, UM, IF THEY'RE GONNA BE OVER AT AVENUE A OR YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE CLOSE BY. 
          WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UM, IT COMPLIMENTS WHAT'S ALREADY HAPPENING OR WHAT'S ALREADY PROGRAMMED. 
          UM, WE ALSO HEARD THAT WE NEED SOME COMMUNICATION ENHANCEMENT, AND SO AS SOON AS WE HAVE THIS FINAL DIRECTION, WE WILL DEFINITELY 100% MAKE THAT HAPPEN. 
          UM, NOTHING WILL CHANGE AS FAR AS THE THIRD PARTY EVENT APPLICATIONS. 
          THOSE COME TO THE SPECIAL EVENTS DEPARTMENT. 
          WE PROCESS THOSE AND MOVE THEM THROUGH, UH, THE SYSTEM. 
          UM, THOSE DEPARTMENTS THAT YOU SAW LISTED THAT WORK WITH EVENTS, UH, ARE ALL PART OF THE APPROVAL PROCESS. 
          SO IT'S NOT THE SPECIAL EVENTS DEPARTMENT APPROVES OR DOESN'T APPROVE A THIRD PARTY. 
          SO, UM, NOTHING WILL CHANGE, UM, WITH THAT PARTICULAR SYSTEM. 
          UM, WE WORK WITH THOSE FOLKS ON A DAILY BASIS. 
          PEOPLE, UH, CALL US AND WE REALLY FEEL LIKE WE'RE PROVIDING CUSTOMER SERVICE TO THEM TO EXPLAIN TO THEM. 
          MOST OF THE TIME THEY ARE NOT PROFESSIONAL EVENT ORGANIZERS AND THEY REALLY NEED THEIR HANDS HELD ON HOW TO BE SUCCESSFUL, HOW TO MAKE IT WORK. 
          AND WE DO THAT EVERY DAY. 
          WE DO THAT EVERY SINGLE DAY. 
          SO NONE OF THAT CHANGES. 
          WE WOULD WORK WITH THEM ON WHAT IS THE BEST LOCATION FOR THEM WHERE IT MAKES SENSE. 
          UM, I HAD SOMEBODY CALL ME YESTERDAY WHO WANTED THE AMPHITHEATER, BUT THEY NEEDED WATER, ELECTRICITY, AND RESTAURANT RESTROOMS. I'M LIKE, WELL, LET'S FIND YOU ANOTHER LOCATION, . 
          SO THAT'S WHAT WE DO. 
          UM, AND UM, IT'S, UM, NOT NONE OF THAT IS GOING TO CHANGE. 
          SO WE ARE HERE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE SUCCESSFUL AS WELL. 
          SO WE WANTED TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT WITH YOU AS WELL. 
          UM, AND I APOLOGIZE. 
          YES, I NEED JUST ONE MINUTE. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          I WAS GETTING TO THE GOOD PART, . 
          TIME TO PAUSE. 
          DANA, I DO WANNA SAY THAT I, UM, TALKED TO KAREN. 
          I STOPPED BY WHEN THEY DID THEIR BACK, THEIR BACK SALE FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER. 
          I FINALLY MADE IT OVER THERE. 
          UM, AND SHE, SHE DID GIVE AMAZING COMPLIMENTS OF, UM, OUR TWO NEW GIRLS FOR STOPPING BY. 
          AND SHE SAID SHE WAS JUST SO EXCITED THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO COME BY AND JUST HANG OUT AND SEE HOW EVERYONE'S DOING. 
          AND THEY'RE NOT IN A RUSH. 
          AND SO I, I'M SUPER EXCITED THAT WE GOT THAT WE GOT THEM HERE AND IT JUST SO YOU KNOW, THAT IT IS GETTING VERY, REALLY GOOD FEEDBACK FROM OH GOOD. 
          FROM DOWNTOWN THAT IT'S NICE TO SEE LIKE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT IN A RUSH AND THEY'RE NOT JUST COMING BY BECAUSE THEY NEED SOMETHING FROM YOU OR, YOU KNOW, THEY, SO IT'S, THAT WAS GOOD TO HEAR. 
          SO AWESOME. 
          YEAH. 
          AWESOME. 
          IT'S A NEW ERA FOR THE DDO OFFICE WITH THE, THE RENOVATION IT'S BEING COMPLETED OR THE REDESIGN BEING COMPLETED AND UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE REALLY ASSISTING, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS WITH FINDING TENANTS AND YOU KNOW, CONNECTING THE DOTS THERE AND REALLY BEING THAT SUPPORT SYSTEM. 
          AND OF COURSE THE REVITALIZATION PROGRAM. 
          SO IT'S A BUSY DEPARTMENT, SO, SO IT'S GOOD TO HEAR THAT. 
          WELL, YOU GUYS ARE DOING A GREAT JOB, SO DON'T EVER QUESTION THAT  MATTER, NO MATTER HOW IT MAY FEEL  SOMETIMES IT'S LIKE, OKAY, A JERK. 
          BUT WE ALL, I THINK THAT'S ONE THING WE CAN ALL AGREE ON IS THAT YOU GUYS DO A PHENOMENAL JOB. 
          AND THE EVENTS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE GOTTEN US DOWNTOWN HAVE ABSOLUTELY BEEN AMAZING. 
          THERE'S NEVER BEEN A TIME IN HISTORY OF MY LIFE IN GARLAND THAT I COULD TELL YOU THAT I'VE DROVE BY DOWNTOWN AND YOU CAN PUT MONEY THAT THERE'S AT LEAST THREE PEOPLE ON THE SQUARE AT ANY GIVEN TIME OF THE DAY, DAY OR NIGHT. 
          LIKE I'VE COME THROUGH AT LIKE TWO O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING AND THERE'S PEOPLE OUT THERE, IT'S A LITTLE WEIRD, BUT I MEAN, , THEY'RE THERE. 
          I THINK THEY'RE PLAYING POKEMON, BUT YOU KNOW,  PROBABLY AND THAT, THAT'S COMING ALONG TOO. 
          THAT'S SO EXCITING. 
          IT IS. 
          IT WAS FUNNY WHEN THE SQUARE FIRST LIKE REOPENED AND I WAS LIKE, WHAT ARE ALL THESE PEOPLE OUT HERE LIKE WITH THEIR PHONES, LIKE IN THEIR FACES? AND I WAS TOTALLY JOKING SAYING, OH, THEY'RE PROBABLY PLAYING POKEMON GO. 
          AND THEN IT OCCURRED TO ME, NO, REALLY, THEY ACTUALLY ARE PLAYING POKEMON GO AND WE LOVE IT. 
          SOMEONE WAS SAYING THEY HID LIKE A REALLY LIKE HIGH PROFILE ONE IN THE SQUARES. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          'CAUSE THE MORE PEOPLE THAT YOU, OKAY, 'CAUSE THAT FELL DOWN THIS RABBIT HOLE TO FIGURE OUT THE WHOLE POKEMON GO SITUATION. 
          THE MORE PEOPLE THAT YOU HAVE THAT GO TO A CERTAIN, LIKE THEY CALL THEM GYMS OR WHATEVER, THEN THE MORE SPECIAL, UM, POKEMON THAT YOU CAN UNLOCK WHEN YOU'RE IN THAT AREA. 
          AND SO I THINK LIKE THE HIGHER 
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VOLUME OF PEOPLE THAT WE'RE GETTING DOWNTOWN PLAYING THE GAME, IT'S, IT'S MAKING THE GAME. 
          LIKE IT'S, I DON'T KNOW, IT'S WEIRD. 
          YOU'RE GETTING LIKE COLLECTIBLE POKEMONS OR I DON'T KNOW HOW IT ALL GOES. 
          , THIS SOUNDS LIKE ANOTHER EVENT TO PROMOTE . 
          YEAH, GOTTA CATCH 'EM ALL FOR SURE. 
          THAT'S ALL I KNOW, . 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT IS OUR RECOMMENDATION, UM, TO PRESERVE THE SQUARE FOR CITY PRODUCED EVENTS AND URBAN MARKET. 
          WE HEARD THAT CLEARLY AND, UH, WANT TO GRANDFATHER THEM IN. 
          UH, WE DID COME TO THAT CONCLUSION WITH, UM, OBVIOUSLY DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL, BUT ALSO, UM, THE CONSULTANT THAT WE ENGAGED IN RECOMMENDED THE CITY PRODUCED, KEEPING IT INTENTIONALLY AND PROGRAMMED FROM FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME JUST FOR THOSE 2:00 AM PEOPLE TO ENJOY THE SQUARE, UM, TO PROTECT THAT EXPENSIVE ASSET THAT THE CITY INVESTED IN. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, TO, UM, ALLOW US TO PREDICT OUR CITY RESOURCES IN A MORE MANAGEABLE WAY. 
          SO IT WAS REALLY MULTIPLE THINGS, NOT ONE THING THAT, UM, LED US TO THIS PARTICULAR RECOMMENDATION. 
          UM, I DID ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT, UM, WITH THIS RECOMMENDATION, IT DOES NOT AFFECT ANY OF G'S EVENTS THAT THEY PRODUCE THEIR WINE WALK, THEIR SIP AND STROLL. 
          UM, THOSE ARE EVENTS THAT GO FROM BUSINESS TO BUSINESS ON THE SIDEWALK THAT DOESN'T TRIGGER A, UH, SPECIAL EVENTS PERMIT ANYWAYS. 
          UM, IT DOESN'T, UM, UH, AFFECT ANYBODY WHO JUST WANTS TO HAVE A GATHERING OUT ON THE SQUARE FOR A BIRTHDAY PARTY OR WANTS TO HAVE A PICNIC ON THE LAWN. 
          THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS BUILT TO DO. 
          UM, SO WE EVEN HAVE THE LIFE, WELL CHURCH IS GOING TO DO AN EASTER EGG HUNT, UM, ON EASTER, BUT THEIR ATTENDANCE IS UNDER A HUNDRED SO IT DOESN'T TRIGGER A PERMIT. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE, THE USE IS STILL THERE, UM, FOR, FOR MOST FOLKS. 
          SO, UM, AGAIN, WITH THE SPECIAL EVENTS AND THE SMALL ACTIVATIONS THAT THE DOWNTOWN OFFICE IS, UM, PRODUCING FOR 2025 AND URBAN MARKET, THERE'S OVER 60 EVENTS IN THE DOWNTOWN SQUARE. 
          SO IT'S GONNA BE BUSY ANYWAYS. 
          AND WE HAVE A, UM, SECRET, CAN'T TELL YOU YET, ART INSTALLATION COMING. 
          THAT'S GONNA BE REALLY FUN THAT I THINK WILL DRIVE NEW TRAFFIC TO DOWNTOWN. 
          SO WE'VE GOT A LOT OF THINGS PLANNED TO MAKE SURE THAT VIBRANCY IS OF THE UTMOST IMPORTANCE. 
          SO, UM, WITH THAT I WOULD BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR DEFER THEM TO MITCH . 
          WELL, I DID WANNA ADD TOO, ONE THING WE HAD TALKED ABOUT WAS, AND ON THE VERY END OF THAT WAS JUST THAT THAT RECOMMENDATION ALSO DOESN'T, UM, HURT, LIKE DANA WAS SAYING GDBA EVENTS OR OTHER THINGS. 
          BUT EVEN PEOPLE WHO WANT THIRD PARTY EVENTS, UM, IF THEY CALL DANA'S TEAM, LIKE SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT BEFORE, SHE CAN HELP THEM FIND ANOTHER LOCATION, A LOCATION THAT'S CLOSE TO DOWNTOWN, MAYBE NOT ON THAT LAWN, BUT WE'RE NOT SAYING LIKE, SORRY, YOU'RE NOT, YOU CAN'T HOST YOUR EVENT THAT YOU WANNA HAVE. 
          IF SOMEONE WANTS TO HAVE AN EVENT, WE'RE GONNA WALK YOU THROUGH AND FIGURE OUT HOW YOU CAN HOST THAT. 
          IT MAY JUST NOT BE ON THAT LAWN PROPER. 
          YEAH, WE, AND WE DO THAT ALL THE TIME. 
          IT COULD BE OTHERWHERE ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY. 
          IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, AT GRADER ANNEX. 
          NOW IT CAN BE AT THE REC CENTERS, IT COULD BE AT ANY OF OUR OTHER FACILITIES. 
          WE PARTNER WITH THEM ON, ON THAT ALREADY. 
          AWESOME. 
          THANK YOU FOR ALL THE UPDATE. 
          I KNOW THIS WAS IN, UM, A DIFFERENT COMMITTEE BEFORE. 
          WHAT COMMITTEE WAS THAT? ADMINISTRATIVE. 
          ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND, UH, CHRIS, YOU'RE ON THAT COMMITTEE? CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ALRIGHT, WELL CHRIS, YOU WANNA START US OFF HERE? UH, THE FIRST QUESTION I HAVE, 'CAUSE I'VE BEEN ASKED THIS BY AT LEAST FIVE PEOPLE WHO WAS THE CONSULTANT OR THE CONSULTING FIRM? UM, IT IS CALLED, UH, DESTINATION SERVICES CONSULTING OUT OF ST. 
          LOUIS DESTINATION. 
          I CAN WRITE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, YEAH, UM, I WAS ON THE PREVIOUS COMMITTEE THAT HAD THIS, I'M ON THIS COMMITTEE ALSO. 
          UM,  I GOT YELLED AT AT THE DOWNTOWN GARLAND BUSINESS ASSOCIATION MEETING FOLLOWING THAT LAST, UM, EVENT. 
          NO MATTER WHAT I SAID, IT DID NOT CALM THINGS DOWN. 
          UM,  I TRIED. 
          UM, I THINK THE BIG QUESTION, THE BIG ISSUES WERE URBAN MARKET AND 
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SIP AND STROLL AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          AND THE DEFINITION OF IT HAS TO BE FEWER THAN A HUNDRED PEOPLE. 
          AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SQUARE ONLY. 
          AND I GOT CALLS ABOUT WE'RE TRYING TO PRIVATIZE THE SQUARE, WE'RE TRYING TO KICK PEOPLE OFF THE SQUARE. 
          WE'RE NOT LETTING PEOPLE GO TO THE SQUARE. 
          UM, AND SO THERE WAS A, IT IT JUST BLEW UP AND THERE WAS A LOT OF MISCOMMUNICATION AND MISUNDERSTANDING. 
          UM, WE HAVE LOTS OF PLACES TO HOLD EVENTS MM-HMM . 
          AND NOT ALL OF THEM NEED TO BE ON THE SQUARE. 
          IT'S NICE THAT THEY ARE, I LOVE GOING DOWN THERE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S A FUN PLACE TO BE. 
          UM, IN FACT, WE JUST SHOWED UP AS SANTA AND MRS. CLAUS SEVERAL NIGHTS JUST FOR THE FUN OF IT AND GOT SWAMPED. 
          UM, SO IT'S, IT'S A FUN PLACE TO BE. 
          AND SO I'M, I'M GLAD TO SEE THOSE DISTINCTIONS MORE, UM, OUTLINED BECAUSE IT WAS A LITTLE BROADER IN THE WAY IT WAS DESCRIBED, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WAS CAUSING A LOT OF THE MM-HMM . 
          THE FURY BEHIND THE PROBLEM MM-HMM . 
          SO, UM, BUT THE BIG QUESTION WAS WHO IS THE CONSULTANT? AND I'VE BEEN ASKED THAT AT LEAST FIVE TIMES AND IT'S LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I WILL FIND THAT. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT. 
          AND AGAIN, THIS, I, THIS IS A LOT MORE, THIS PRESENTATION IS A LOT MORE DETAILED AND SPECIFIC THAN WHAT WE GOT AT THE OTHER COMMITTEE, SO THANK YOU, DANA. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          SO I AM VERY SATISFIED, UH, WITH WHAT YOU JUST GAVE US. 
          UM, SO A LITTLE FUN FACT. 
          SO, UM, AT THE HERITAGE MUSEUM, UM, THERE IS A, IT'S THE LECTURE AND TIME SERIES, RIGHT. 
          AND I, I TRY TO PROMOTE IT ALL THE TIME BECAUSE IT'S A PHENOMENAL SERIES, UM, ABOUT THE HISTORY OF, OF GARLAND AND THE SQUARE AND ALL OF THAT STUFF. 
          UM, AND THE WOMAN, HOLLY, THAT, THAT, UH, DOES THE LECTURES, SHE'S A REALLY GOOD STORYTELLER. 
          SO, UM, IT'S, IT'S LIKE EVERY THREE MONTHS OR SOMETHING THAT SHE DOES IT AND IT'S THE BEST SATURDAY THAT YOU'LL SPEND. 
          SO THIS PAST SATURDAY THAT SHE HAD HER LECTURE, UM, SHE WAS KIND OF DOING LIKE A RECAP OF, YOU KNOW, THE SQUARES HISTORY AND, YOU KNOW, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I, DYLAN ACTUALLY CAME WITH ME. 
          AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THOUGHT WAS PRETTY FUNNY WAS SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT AFTER, UM, THE FIRST BIG FIRE THAT WE HAD ON THE SQUARE. 
          IT WAS ALL WOODEN BUILDINGS. 
          AND THEN, UM, IN 1906, THEY, THEY STARTED DOING, UH, BRICK BUILDINGS SO THAT, THAT WAY ANOTHER FIRE WOULDN'T TAKE THE WHOLE SQUARE DOWN. 
          SO IN 1906 IS WHEN THEY RECREATED THE SQUARE. 
          AND BACK THEN HORSE RACING WAS A BIG THING, BUT THEY DESIGNED THE SQUARE IN SUCH A WAY THAT THEY COULD HAVE TRADE DAYS. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHY THE SQUARE WAS THE SQUARE. 
          IT WAS AN OPEN AREA SO THAT THEY COULD DO TRADE DAYS. 
          AND SO I THOUGHT IT WAS FUNNY THAT WE HAD HAD THE DISCUSSION ABOUT URBAN MARKET, KIND OF, THAT'S OUR MODERN DAY TRADE DAYS. 
          AND SO I WAS LIKE, LOOK, IN 1906, THEY WANTED URBAN MARKETS . 
          SO I LOVE THAT. 
          I LOVE THAT WE'RE STILL, WE'RE GETTING BACK TO OUR 1906 TRADE DAY ROUTE. 
          SO, UM, I THINK THAT IT'S GREAT. 
          AND I LOVE THAT YOU GUYS, UM, REALLY JUST TRY TO COACH PEOPLE ON HOW TO MAKE THEIR, THEIR INDIVIDUAL EVENTS SUCCESSFUL. 
          THAT'S, I THINK BEING THAT CUSTOMER SERVICE AND HELPFUL PERSON IS SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T PUT A PRICE ON THAT BECAUSE YOU CAN CALL SO MANY PLACES NOWADAYS AND PEOPLE ARE LIKE, THEY JUST DON'T CARE. 
          LIKE, OH, I CAN'T HELP YOU. 
          AND SO THE FACT THAT WE OFFER THAT LITTLE EXTENSION OF, YOU KNOW, LIKE, OKAY, THEY MIGHT NOT USE THIS THIS TIME, BUT THEY'RE GONNA REMEMBER THAT OUR TEAM THAT THEY DEALT WITH WAS KIND AND CARING AND HELPFUL, AND THAT'S WHAT BRINGS PEOPLE BACK. 
          AND I THINK THAT THAT'S MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANYTHING. 
          SO KEEP BRINGING US THE GOOD EVENTS AND KEEP UP THE HARD WORK. 
          YOU GUYS ARE DOING PHENOMENAL. 
          UM, AND DON'T EVER HESITATE TO TELL US TO, TO CALM DOWN. 
          SO  . 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU MA. 
          YEAH, JUST TO ECHO, UM, WHAT THEY SAID THERE. 
          YEAH, I, I, I WASN'T AT THE ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES COMMITTEE, BUT I, I THINK THE PRESENTATION TODAY WAS NICE AND CLEAR AND CUT AND DRY. 
          AND I'M ACTUALLY A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE A DOWNTOWN, UM, GARLAND BUSINESS ASSOCIATION REPRESENTATIVE HERE. 
          I KIND OF WANTED THAT, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU DID TALK TO THEM, SO I APPRECIATE THAT THEY WERE INVITED. 
          YES, THEY WERE INVITED. 
          YES, OF COURSE. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          NO, THE DISAPPOINTMENT'S ON THEM, NOT ON YOU . 
          I KNOW YOU GUYS INVITED 'EM. 
          UM, BUT, UM, YEAH, I MEAN, I, UH, THOUGHT THE PRESENTATION WAS NICE, CUT AND DRY. 
          DEFINITELY BETTER THAN WHAT, UM, I FEEL IT'S 
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ANSWERED MORE QUESTIONS THAT KIND OF CAME UP WHEN IT WAS PRESENTED TO COUNCIL THE FIRST TIME. 
          UM, SO I, I THINK THAT IF WE PRESENT IT TO COUNCIL, THE WAY IT WAS PRESENTED TODAY, THAT'S GOING TO HELP ANSWER A LOT OF THOSE QUESTIONS RIGHT. 
          THAT CAUSED SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I THINK A LOT OF IT, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S CONFUSION AND WHICH IS BASED IN MISCOMMUNICATION. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO I THINK THAT WE, I THINK THAT WE'VE ANSWERED, UM, I HAVEN'T PERSONALLY HAD ANYONE BRING A CONCERN DIRECTLY TO ME, BUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE HEARD INDIRECTLY, UM, I FEEL THAT WHAT YOU PRESENTED TODAY ANSWERED THAT. 
          SO I, I LIKE IT AS, I LIKE IT AS PRESENTED. 
          AND I THINK WE'RE READY TO TAKE, UH, EXACTLY WHAT YOU BROUGHT HERE TODAY TO COUNCIL. 
          OKAY. 
          AND MAKE SURE YOU BRING THAT LIST THAT YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT. 
          THAT HITS A LITTLE DIFFERENT. 
          IT'S, YOU, YOU CAN, I MEAN, YOU CAN READ IT LATER, BUT WHEN YOU JUST SEE THE VOLUME OF THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON, AND OF COURSE THE TEAM IS STILL COMMITTED TO CONTINUING THOSE KIND OF THINGS. 
          WE'RE NOT GETTING RID OF ANYTHING. 
          IN FACT, WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR NEW OPPORTUNITIES. 
          WE'RE JUST JUGGLING CAL. 
          IF THERE'S ALREADY ANOTHER EVENT THAT DAY, WE NEED TO FIND ANOTHER DATE OR MAYBE ANOTHER LOCATION. 
          SOMETIMES ONE OF THE REC CENTERS, MAYBE THE ANNEX, MAYBE SOMEWHERE ELSE. 
          WE'RE ALL ABOUT PARTNERING TO KEEP THESE GOOD THINGS GOING ON. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S ABOUT. 
          AND, AND YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE TOLD STAFF I'LL, I'LL, UH, FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, IT'S MY RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE WE COMMUNICATE AS CLEARLY AS WE CAN. 
          AND THEN IN, IN HINDSIGHT, WE WENT THROUGH IT. 
          WE, WE EVEN TAKEN IT TO THE COMMITTEE LAST TIME, IT WAS TOO NARROW AND WE WERE TRYING TO DEAL WITH THE PERMIT EXCEPTIONS, BUT DIDN'T EXPLAIN THAT WELL. 
          AND WE GOT OFF INTO THE EXCEPTION INSTEAD OF ALL OF THIS. 
          SO I THINK AS WE MOVE FORWARD, WE'LL BE ABLE TO PRESENT THIS AND I THINK IT'LL BE MUCH MORE CLEAR TO, NOT ONLY TO THE FULL COUNCIL, BUT TO THE CITIZENS AS WELL. 
          SO ABSOLUTELY. 
          ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES WAS THE HUNDRED PEOPLE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND THAT GOT BROUGHT TO ME AND IT'S LIKE, YOU CAN HAVE MORE THAN A, WE CAN'T HAVE MORE THAN A HUNDRED PEOPLE ON SQUARE WITHOUT A PER, THERE CAN BE MORE THAN A HUNDRED PEOPLE ON SQUARE, YOU KNOW, AND THE EXAMPLE I'LL GIVE IS MY HUSBAND AND I WENT DOWN FOR THIS THE MONDAY NIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AT SANTA AND MRS. CLAUS AND THERE WERE AT LEAST 300 PEOPLE DOWN THERE. 
          OH YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, AND, AND THEY'RE ALL DOING THE SAME THING, BUT IT WASN'T AN ORGANIZED EVENT. 
          SO THERE WAS PLENTY OF ROOM THAT PEOPLE PLAYING FOOTBALL, PEOPLE PLAYING WITH FRISBEES PEOP THERE WAS A GUY OUT THERE WITH A TRUMPET PLAYING CHRISTMAS CAROLS. 
          THERE WAS, THERE WAS A LOT GOING ON. 
          AND THERE WERE HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE OUT THERE RIGHT. 
          THAT DID NOT REQUIRE A PERMIT OR ANYTHING ELSE TO GO AWAY. 
          THE VAST MAJORITY OF THINGS DO NOT REQUIRE PERMIT. 
          IF, IF OUR CITIZENS, FAMILIES, CHURCH MEMBERS, WHATEVER, WHOEVER WANTS TO COME OUT AND ENJOY THE, THE DOWNTOWN SQUARE, PLEASE COME ON DOWN. 
          , COULD WE POST THAT LIST OF EVENTS ON OUR, OUR WEBSITE? JUST IT, IT WILL BE ONCE WE FINALIZE IT. 
          AND THAT'S OUR PLAN TO GET ALL THAT INFORMATION OUT THERE, WHAT'S WHAT REQUIRES. 
          AND WE PUT THAT INFORMATION OUT NOW WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST, BUT WE'LL BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT IT AND DISTINCT ONCE COUNCIL'S GIVES THE FINAL. 
          OKAY. 
          WITH THAT, WE'LL BE COMMUNICATING CLEARLY WITH EVERYONE. 
          SO JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, I JUST WANT THE EVENT LIST POSTED ONLINE. 
          OH, THE EVENT LIST CAN PRINT IT OUT. 
          'CAUSE I'M THAT PERSON, LIKE, UH, I HAVE THE MEMORY OF A DEADLY, SO I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO PRINT THAT OUT, PUT IT ON MY FRIDGE AND KNOW LIKE, HERE'S WHAT'S COMING. 
          OH, WE'RE BORED. 
          WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO THIS WEEKEND? OH, I CAN LOOK AT THAT LIST AND EASY PEASY. 
          SURE, SURE. 
          AND I THINK WE DO A VERSION OF THAT ALREADY NOW WITH VISIT GARLAND KIND OF DOES IT MONTHLY OF HERE'S WHAT'S COMING UP NEXT MONTH. 
          BUT WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT ALL OF THAT PERFECT. 
          TO MAKE SURE FOLKS KNOW. 
          AWESOME. 
          AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I KNOW, UH, WHEN WE SPOKE WITH GDBA THIS WEEK THAT IT WAS KIND OF LIKE, UM, KIND OF A FOLLOW UP QUESTION THAT, UM, WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE GET ACROSS IS LIKE, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS ON LIKE, OH, WELL I THINK THAT'S GONNA RESTRICT ME, I MEAN CALL. 
          'CAUSE MOST OF THE TIME, LIKE HER STAFF IS LIKE, OH NO, THAT, THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH, WITH WHAT YOU WANT. 
          SO IF YOU EVER LIKE HAVE A QUESTION OR FEEL LIKE YOU'RE GETTING RESTRICTED, I MEAN CALL AND LET'S FIGURE THAT OUT. 
          IN MOST CASES YOU DON'T NEED A PERMIT, JUST COME ON DOWN. 
          BUT WE'LL WORK TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CLARITY ON THE WEBSITE IS BETTER. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK THAT, THAT THAT'LL SOLVE A LOT OF, A LOT OF ISSUES. 
          UM, IT'S JUST, IT'S ALMOST LIKE THE FEAR OF THE UNKNOWN AND THEN IT'S DIFFERENT WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE, LIKE, WE HAVE THE LUXURY OF HAVING YOU GUYS FACE TO FACE WHERE WE CAN ASK YOU QUESTIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          AND SO IT, IT KIND OF, IT BRIDGES THAT GAP WHEREAS OTHER PEOPLE ARE LIKE, OH, WELL, LIKE, WELL I READ IT THIS WAY AND THAT'S HOW I'M GONNA TAKE IT. 
          AND SO I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT YOU GUYS SOLVED A LOT OF THAT TODAY. 
          SURE. 
          SO, WELL, THANK YOU. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          SO, AND WE'RE JUST THRILLED THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL, WE HAVE THE CHALLENGE OF, WE GOT EVERYBODY WANTING TO COME TO THE SQUARE AND, YOU KNOW, THAT HASN'T, WE KNOW HISTORICALLY BEEN THE CASE PRIOR TO THE, YOU KNOW, PAST YEAR OR SO AND YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF. 
          AND NOW WE'VE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE AND THE ANSWER'S ALWAYS COME ON DOWN, UH, AND WE'LL FIGURE OUT A WAY TO MAKE IT WORK. 
          SO IT'S A GREAT PROBLEM TO HAVE. 
          YEP, ABSOLUTELY. 
          AWESOME. 
          OKAY. 
          YEP. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          YES, WE'RE DONE. 
          ALRIGHT, DONE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, AT 1139 WE ARE ADJOURNED. 
          WOOHOO. 
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THANK YOU SO MUCH EVERYBODY. 
          YAY. 
          YEAH. 
          SATURDAY I PARADE WAS LIKE, I WANT TO GO PLAY ON THE SPOT.
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