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GOOD EVENING. WELCOME TO THE FEBRUARY 10TH MEETING OF THE GARLAND PLAN COMMISSION. AS IS OUR CUSTOM, WE COMMISSIONERS START OUR MEETING WITH A PRAYER AND A PLEDGE. YOU'RE INVITED TO JOIN US IN. WHETHER YOU JOIN US OR NOT. IN NO WAY AFFECTS THE DECISIONS OF THIS COMMISSION.
ARE YOU RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION? TONIGHT'S PRAYER AND PLEDGE WILL BE LED BY COMMISSIONER DUCKWORTH. THANK YOU, MISTER CHAIR. LET'S GO TO GOD IN PRAYER. FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR A TIME TO COME BEFORE YOUR YOUR THRONE. WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR MANY BLESSINGS. FATHER, LET ME LIFT UP THIS COMMISSION TO YOU AND ASK THAT YOU BLESS EACH ONE THAT'S HERE TONIGHT.
BLESS THE FAMILIES THAT THEY REPRESENT. FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR STAFF AND THE WORK THEY DO TO MAKE OUR JOBS AS EASY AS THEY CAN. FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS GREAT CITY. WE THANK YOU FOR THE LEADERSHIP IN THIS CITY, AND WE THANK YOU FOR THE DAYS AHEAD THAT WE LOOK FORWARD TO.
AND JUST THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR BLESSINGS AND YOUR LOVE FOR US. IN CHRIST'S NAME I PRAY.
AMEN. AMEN. AMEN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. WELL, AGAIN, GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO OUR MEETING. ALRIGHTY. ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TONIGHT, IF YOU PLEASE, FILL OUT ONE OF THE YELLOW SPEAKER CARDS. THERE ARE SOME UP AT THE COUNTER OR OUTSIDE IN THE HALL AT A TABLE. AND THAT WAY I CAN CALL YOU DOWN. AND THEN WHEN YOU COME DOWN, IF YOU'LL PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS IN THE MICROPHONE. WE NEED THAT FOR THE RECORD. ALSO, IF YOU WANT TO VOICE YOUR OPINION FOR OR AGAINST WITHOUT SPEAKING, YOU CAN DO THAT VIA THE CARDS TO ALL RIGHT. APPLICANTS WILL BE GIVEN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE. OTHER SPEAKERS WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES. AND AFTER EVERYBODY ELSE HAS SPOKEN, WE ASK THE APPLICANT IF HE WISHES TO. HE OR SHE WISHES WISHES TO ADDRESS ANY OF THE COMMENTS. AND AGAIN, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. WE'RE GOING TO
[ CONSENT AGENDA All items under this section are recommended for approval by a single motion of the Plan Commission, without discussion. The Chairman will announce the agenda and provide an opportunity for members of the audience and the Plan Commission to request that an item be removed and considered separately.]
START TONIGHT'S MEETING WITH OUR CONSENT AGENDA. CONSENT AGENDA ARE ITEMS THAT THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE REVIEWED AND WILL BE VOTING TO APPROVE IN ONE MOTION. I WILL READ THE ITEMS OUT. ANY COMMISSIONER OR ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WHO WANTS AN ITEM REMOVED FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION, JUST CALL OUT AND LET ME KNOW. CONSENT AGENDA ITEM ONE A CONSIDER APPROVAL OF THE PLAN COMMISSION MINUTES FOR JANUARY 27TH, 2025 MEETING. ITEM TWO A PLAT 20 5-02 WEST BANK TOWNHOMES EDITION. PRELIMINARY PLAT. ANYBODY WANT ANY ITEMS REMOVED? SEEING. NONE. DO I HEAR A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA? MOTION. COMMISSIONER JENKINS, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED. THANK YOU. WELL, A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER JENKINS TO APPROVE.OKAY. IF I GIVE THIS SECOND TO COMMISSIONER ROSE, WHO WILL TRY TO MAKE THE MOTION. THANK YOU.
MOTION BY COMMISSIONER JENKINS, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ROSE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. AND IT MAY TAKE A LITTLE LONGER TONIGHT. THEY HAD SOME PROBLEMS IN THE BACK TODAY. SO THERE WE GO. OKAY. AND, COMMISSIONER DUCKWORTH, YOUR VOTE DIDN'T TAKE. NO. AND. OKAY, THAT PASSES 6 TO 2 WITH COMMISSIONER JENKINS AND CORNELIUS EYE. WERE THEY ABSTAINING OR VOTING? NO. SHOWED UP AS NO, I VOTED ABSTAIN. OKAY. THAT WAS A MISTAKE. YES. OKAY. SHOW THAT TO SHOW THAT TO BE 7 TO 1. COMMISSIONER JENKINS VOTE WAS TO APPROVE. WE DON'T HAVE TO GO BY THE OFFICIAL ELECTRONICS.
[a. Consideration of the application of Nayeb Management, LLC., requesting approval of 1) a Specific Use Provision for a Tattooing/Body Piercing Establishment Use on a property zoned Planned Development (PD) District 82-59 and 2) a Concept Plan for a Tattooing/Body Piercing Establishment Use. The site is located at 1350 Northwest Highway, Suite #107. (District 5) (File Z 24-29)]
OKAY. ALRIGHTY. ON TO ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. ZONING CASE THREE A CONSIDERATION OF THE APPLICATION OF NATIVE MANAGEMENT, LLC. REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A SPECIFIC USE.PROVISION FOR TATTOOING. BODY PIERCING ESTABLISHMENT ON PROPERTY. ZONED PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 82 DASH 59 AND A CONCEPT PLAN FOR TATTOO BODY PIERCING ESTABLISHMENT. USE AT.
THIS SITE IS LOCATED AT 1350 NORTHWEST HIGHWAY, SUITE 107. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. THIS IS A REQUEST TO HAVE A TATTOO AND BODY PIERCING ESTABLISHMENT AT THE SUBJECT SITE. THE PROPERTY'S ADDRESS IS 1350 NORTHWEST HIGHWAY, AND IT'S LOCATED ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF SATURN ROAD AND NORTHWEST HIGHWAY. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN A SHOPPING CENTER WITHIN ONE OF THE SUITES. AND THE CURRENT ZONING IS A PD, A PLAN DEVELOPMENT, AND THE BASE ZONING
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DISTRICT IS COMMUNITY RETAIL, AND THAT ZONING DISTRICT REQUIRES A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR THE TATTOO BODY PIERCING ESTABLISHMENT USE. SO IN OUR ANALYSIS, WE LOOKED AT THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN AND THE VISION FOR THAT AREA IS COMMUNITY CENTERS. AND IT FOCUSES ON HIGH QUALITY RETAIL AND CENTER USES. AND OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ALSO PUSHES FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT OF PLACES THAT ARE GOING TO BE PLACEMAKING, PLACEMAKING AREAS OR DESTINATION CENTERS. WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE SURROUNDING AREAS, ALTHOUGH IN OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IT STATES THAT TATTOO SHOPS OR OR TATTOO BODY PIERCING ESTABLISHMENT USES ARE NOT PERMITTED WITHIN 500FT OF A DAYCARE, PUBLIC SCHOOL, RESIDENTIAAREA. ANOTHER TATTOO BODY PIERCING ESTABLISHMENT. IT IS OF NOTE TO SAY THAT THERE IS A DAYCARE JUST NORTH OF THIS SITE, AND THERE IS ALSO A MULTI-FAMILY SUBDIVISION DIRECTLY SOUTH OF THE SITE. WE DID, WE DID REQUEST. WE DID RECEIVE. RESPONSE LETTERS AND WE SENT OUT 128 LETTERS AND WE RECEIVED FIVE. WE RECEIVED THREE. AND AGAINST THE REQUEST THAT ARE WITHIN THE NOTIFICATION AREA AND RECEIVED ONE, WE RECEIVED ONE IN FAVOR AND THEN ONE OUTSIDE THE AREA THAT WAS AGAINST. AND GENERALLY THE LETTERS SPOKE TO KIND OF THE POINTS THAT STAFF HAS ALREADY SPOKEN ABOUT WITH THE. TATTOO, BODY TATTOO, BODY PIERCING ESTABLISHMENT BEING TOO CLOSE TO RESIDENTIAL AREAS. AND IT ALSO THE LETTERS ALSO SPOKE TO HOW THE AREA'S ALREADY DEGRADING AND THAT THIS WOULD FURTHER PUSH IT IN THAT AREA. SO STAFF ACTUALLY RECOMMENDS DENIAL OF THIS REQUEST BECAUSE WE BELIEVE THAT IT IS NOT IN SUPPORT OF THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, DOES NOT SUPPORT THE USE. AND BECAUSE OF ITS PROXIMITY TO OTHER DAYCARE AND SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USES. ALRIGHTY. ANY ANY QUESTIONS? I SEE NONE, THANK YOU. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? COME ON DOWN. AND IF YOU'LL FILL ONE OF THESE OUT LATER, WE'D APPRECIATE IT. AND AGAIN, NAME AND ADDRESS. YEAH. NAME AND ADDRESS IN THE MICROPHONE. OKAY. CYNTHIA OLALDE. MY ADDRESS.SORRY. WHICH ADDRESS?? WHICHEVER ONE YOU WANT. OH 2741TONE RIDGE DRIVE, GARLAND, TEXAS.
THIS TATTOO STUDIO THAT WE ARE TRYING TO BRING INTO THE COMMUNITY IS NOT JUST A TATTOO.
WE DON'T DO BODY PIERCINGS. IT'S ONLY TATTOOING. IT'S TATTOO ART. AND WE ARE FOCUSING ON MEDICAL TATTOO. ARTISTIC OF THAT. LET ME EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT. SO WHAT WE DO IS WE HELP THOSE FEMALES WITH BREAST CANCER. THEY COME IN AND WE RECONSTRUCT WITH ART. OR THERE'S THIS, YOU KNOW, ANY ANY TYPE OF BODY DISCOLORATION OR ANY PIGMENTATION THAT'S MISSING. THAT'S WHERE WE COME IN. AND OUR ARTIST IS GREAT AT, YOU KNOW, MAKING IT AS REAL AS POSSIBLE WITH ART. SO IT'S NOT JUST A TATTOO BODY PIERCING. I KNOW YOU KNOW, THE WHAT WE ALL THINK OF WHEN WE HEAR THAT. BUT OUR OUR STUDIO IS NOT JUST FOCUSED ON THAT. WE DO DO A LOT OF ART, BUT THAT IS OUR MAIN FOCUS. WE ALSO HAVE DOCTORS THAT ACTUALLY REFER THEIR PATIENTS TO OUR ARTIST, TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THEM FEEL BEAUTIFUL IN THEIR OWN SKIN. SO ALL RIGHTY, ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? JUST A SECOND. THE QUEUE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE WORKING. SO, COMMISSIONER ROSE, I BELIEVE YOU. I DO HAVE A QUESTION. OKAY. YOU'RE GOING TO OWN THIS FACILITY. ARE WE GOING TO OWN IT? NOT THE BUILDING, NECESSARILY, BUT THE CONTENT. YES, YES, WELREADY HAVE ONE IN PLANO. SO LET'S SAY IN FIVE
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YEARS YOU DECIDE TO SELL IT. THE BUSINESS. THE BUSINESS? YEAH. I DON'T THINK I'LL BE SELLING WELL, BUT LET'S JUST SAY YOU MIGHT. OR SEVEN YEARS. PICK A PICK A YEAR OR WHATEVER. WHAT'S THE. WHAT'S THE. ENSURE THE CITY THAT THE PROCESS STAYS THE SAME AND DOESN'T BECOME A REAL OLD FASHIONED TATTOO PARLOR. RIGHT. FOR THAT, IF WE WERE TO DECIDE TO SELL BECAUSE OUR ESTABLISHMENTS. THERE'S MEANING BEHIND WHAT WE DO. IF AND WHEN WE DO DECIDE TO SELL, WE WOULD NOT JUST SELL TO SOMEBODY THAT'S JUST GOING TO COME AND TEAR UP OUR NAME OR WHAT WE'VE DONE, WHAT WE'VE ESTABLISHED. WE WOULD REALLY, REALLY BE VERY PICKY WHO WE WOULD SELL IT TO AND WHAT, WHAT WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO. WE WOULD WANT SOMEBODY TO CONTINUE WHAT WE'RE DOING. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YES. GO AHEAD. CLARIFICATION FROM STAFF HERE. ONE QUICK CLARIFICATION. THIS IS HOW THE USE IS CLASSIFIED ON OUR LAND USE CHART. SO IF THE SUP IS APPROVED THERE'S NOT NECESSARILY A WAY FOR US TO ENSURE I KNOW, I UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE THE EXPLANATION BEHIND THE BUSINESS, BUT THERE'S NO WAY FOR US TO ENSURE THAT THE BUSINESS STAYS THE SAME AS IT IS, OR IT DOESN'T BECOME A REAL FASHION TATTOO ESTABLISHMENT, BECAUSE THAT USE HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED, SO SOMEONE ELSE CAN TECHNICALLY COME IN AND RUN IT WITH THAT SUP. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER JENKINS. I SEE YOUR OR COMMISSIONER DALTON. NOPE. I'M SORRY. NOPE. ANY QUESTIONS? YES.OKAY. SORRY. THERE'S NO Q SO I'M JUST SPEAKING AS YOU GO. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. GOOD EVENING, MA'AM. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME HERE THIS EVENING. WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND YOUR PRESENTATION.
I'VE GOT A FEW QUESTIONS. OKAY. I'LL TAKE THEM AS THEY GO. OKAY. FIRST ONE. HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN IN BUSINESS? WE'VE BEEN IN PLANO FOR THREE YEARS. THREE YEARS? BUT OUR ARTIST HAS OVER 15 YEARS EXPERIENCE. IS IT ONE ARTIST OR MULTIPLE ARTISTS? WE HAVE ONE ARTIST. OKAY. WHAT? WHEN DID THIS ARTIST BEGIN? BEGIN BEING ASSOCIATED WITH THE MEDICAL USE? THREE YEARS AGO.
OKAY. SO THAT THAT MEDICAL USE IS STRICTLY TO YOUR BUSINESS MODEL. YES. OKAY. WHAT PORTION OF YOUR BUSINESS MODEL CONTEMPLATES THIS USE? ABOUT 60 TO 75%. OKAY. WHAT ARE YOUR NORMAL HOURS? NORMAL HOURS ARE FROM. 8 TO 5. AND THEN WE DO HAVE THOSE SPECIAL APPOINTMENTS.
WE ALSO OPEN ON SATURDAYS. AND THEN WE DO HAVE THOSE SPECIAL APPOINTMENTS THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME IN, YOU KNOW, BUT THE LATEST THAT WE'VE STAYED OPEN FOR ANY SPECIAL CLIENT IS MAYBE LIKE 8 P.M. SO I HEARD YOU SAY APPOINTMENTS IS YOUR DO YOUR CLIENTS HAVE TO MAKE AN APPOINTMENT TO COME IN AND USE YOUR SERVICES? NO, OF COURSE NOT. THEY COULD COME IN AND WE SHOW THEM AROUND. YOU KNOW, WE TALK TO THEM. WE SEE WHAT THEY NEED, WHAT THEY WANT. AND IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE AVAILABILITY RIGHT THERE AND THEN, THEN WE CAN ALWAYS SERVICE THEM. OKAY. I, I DID SEE A HEAD NOD AND A HEAD SHAKE THERE. SO SIR, IF YOU WANTED TO COME UP AND GIVE SOME BACKGROUND THAT'S OKAY AS WELL. AND NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.
NAME AND ADDRESS. MY NAME IS OLIVER REYES. MY ADDRESS IS. 4300. PLANO, TEXAS 75093. AND SO WHEN I AM THE MD. CUBAN M.D. SO YOU ARE THE DOCTOR? YES. OKAY. I'VE GOT SPECIFIC QUESTIONS REGARDING WHAT THAT PROCESS WOULD LOOK LIKE. BUT WHEN I ASKED HER ABOUT THE APPOINTMENTS ONLY, YOU SAID APPOINTMENT ONLY WAS. YES. IS THAT NOT TRUE? YEAH. WE MANAGEMENT SOME APPOINTMENTS, BUT SHE EXPLAINED THAT WE NEED TO CHECK IN OUR SCHEDULE AND WHEN WE CHECK, WE MAKE THE APPOINTMENT. IF I IS NEEDED. OKAY. YOU KNOW, MY UNDERSTANDING AT THIS POINT OF WHAT THIS PROCESS OR PROCEDURE WOULD LOOK LIKE IS CRUDE. I DON'T I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH, WITH, WITH THIS WORK OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. CAN YOU GIVE ME SOME MORE DETAIL ABOUT THE TYPE OF WORK YOU DO? OKAY. OKAY. WE HAVE SOME. WE HAVE SOME. SORRY. FOR MY ENGLISH IS MY SECOND LANGUAGE. WE HAVE SOME MEDICAL COMPANIES, MEDICAL MANAGEMENT COMPANY, NOBLE MEDICAL GROUP,
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AND WE WORK W WITH THE COUPLES CLINICS AND MEDICAL CENTERS AND SPAS TO. AND WE REFER ALL THESE PATIENTS TO THE THIS TATTOO STUDIO. NO PERSON BECAUSE SOMETIMES THE LADIES WITH THE BREAST CANCER THEY HAVE SOME BIG. SKIN SCARS. SCARS BEING A SCARS. AND WE TRY TO WE TRY TO MODIFY THE ESTHETIC OF THE THIS SCAR PASS THROUGH THE SOME MEDICAL TATTOO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, BOTH OF YOU. I'VE GOT ONE FINAL QUESTION. WE HEARD STAFF'S CONCERNS REGARDING THIS PROPOSED USE, AND WE ARE JUST A RECOMMENDING BY. WE WILL JUST SAY WE RECOMMEND YES OR NO. THE CITY COUNCIL WILL HAVE FINAL SAY ABOUT THIS. I NOTICED THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, DESIRED A CERTAIN TIME FRAME FOR THE SPECIFIC USE PROVISION. IF WE WERE TO SAY, WELL, THAT'S TOO LONG, WE HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT IT, WE WOULD RECOMMEND A SHORTER TIME. WOULD YOU HAVE ANY AVERSION TO THAT? IS THAT A CONCERN FOR YOU OR. NO, NO IT'S NO CONCERN. NO. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER DALTON, IS MY MIC ON THE. MY MIC WAS FLASHING WHEN IT WAS FOR HIM, BUT IT WAS FLASHING OVER HERE. THANK YOU FOR COMING DOWN. I AM SOMEWHAT FAMILIAR WITH WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. I HAVE A FRIEND WHOSE DAUGHTER HAD SURGERY AND WAS TOLD THAT SHE WAS HAVING TATTOOS, AND I WAS QUITE PUT BACK GOING, WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING? AND IT WAS FOR THE PURPOSE OF ESTHETICALLY APPEARING THAT THE BODY WAS LESS. WAS MORE NORMAL THAN WHAT WOULD TAKE PLACE. SO I'M UNDER I'M FAMILIAR WITH WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. I THINK ONE OF THE REAL CONCERNS FALLS UNDER, OVER AND ABOVE THE MEDICAL PORTION OF THIS. YOU COULD STILL GET A SKULL AND CROSSBONES OR A ANCHOR OR WHAT HAVE YOU. ARE YOU GOING TO ADVERTISE IN THE FRONT OF THE STORE THAT YOU'RE JUST A REGULAR TATTOO PARLOR, OR IS IT GOING TO BE MORE SPECIALIZED IN WHAT YOU'RE DOING INSIDE? YEAH, YEAH, WE WILL WE WILL ADVERTISE OUR WHAT WE DO OUR SPECIALTY. YEAH. IT'S NOT JUST AS A TATTOO PARLOR, NOT JUST ANY TATTOO PARLOR. CORRECT. OKAY. WE'RE A TATTOO STUDIO. OKAY. THANK YOU.YEAH, I. THINK IT'S THE FUTURE. THE MAYBE ANOTHER UNDER ANOTHER CATEGORY OR EXISTING. ANY CATEGORY FOR THIS IS BETTER BECAUSE IT'S LITERALLY SEPARATE. SEPARATE THESE TWO CONCEPTS, YOU KNOW, BUT JUST BY THE NAME TATTOO PARLOR. IT'S LIKE. BUT YEAH. OTHER QUESTIONS. WE SEEM TO BE WORKING IN COMMISSIONER JENKINS. ARE YOU OKAY? ALL RIGHTY. LET'S GO. COMMISSIONER PARIS. THIS MAY BE MORE FOR. THANK YOU FOR COMING AND SHARING A BIT MORE CLARITY AROUND WHAT YOU'RE REQUESTING AND WHAT THE ACTUAL SERVICES LOOK LIKE. AND THIS MAY BE MORE FOR STAFF, BECAUSE I'M JUST LOOKING AT. OUR GDCC 2.52 SECTION 86, AND THERE'S A PIECE IN HERE THAT TALKS MORE ABOUT INCLUDING MEDICAL PURPOSES SUCH AS RECONSTRUCTIVE OR PLASTIC SURGERY FOR THE APPLICANT OR A PERMANENT COSMETICS. AND IN CREATING AN OPENING AND A VISUAL BODY INDIVIDUAL'S BODY TO HELP, YOU KNOW, SUPPORT THIS. SO IN LOOKING AT THIS, IT MAKES ME FEEL LIKE IT'S A BIT MORE OF A SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR. MY OTHER QUESTION WAS MORE AROUND WHEN I THINK ABOUT THE LAND USE AND WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THIS PROPERTY, WITH THIS BUSINESS IN THIS LOCATION, IS THE DISTANCE AGAIN, IS IT 500FT THAT AROUND COMMUNITY NEIGHBORHOODS AND SCHOOLS AND DAYCARES, IT CANNOT BE WITHIN THAT. AND IS THIS LOCATION WITHIN THOSE BOUNDARIES? TECHNICALLY, NO. THE WAY WE MEASURE IT, IT GOES FROM
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THE FRONT DOOR TO THE PROPERTY LINE AND GOES ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE AND COME BACKS TO THE FRONT DOOR. SO IF WE DO IT THAT WAY, IT'S NOT WITHIN 500FT. BUT I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT IT IS WITHIN VERY CLOSE PROXIMITY. OKAY. THANK YOU. THE FIRST QUESTION I DO WANT TO KIND OF GET INTO THAT. DID YOU FIND ANOTHER USE IN OUR LAND USE CHART THAT YOU WERE MENTIONING DURING THE FIRST QUESTION? IT WAS SUBSECTION 2.5286 IS WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT CHAPTER TWO IN THE GDC TWO POINT. YEAH. LET US TAKE A QUICK LOOK. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WHILE STAFF IS LOOKING THAT UP. OH GO AHEAD MISS. COMMISSIONER JENKINS, DO YOU HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION? WE HEARD THE APPLICANT STATE THAT THEY'RE SORRY, RYAN, THAT THE HOURS OF OPERATION WOULD BE SPECIFICALLY 8 TO 5 P.M. I RECALL THAT THE COMMISSION HAS THE ABILITY TO PUT IN THE ORDINANCE A RESTRICTION ON HOURS OF OPERATION. BUT I WANT CLARITY REGARDING THAT. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO OR DO WE NOT DO IT? THOUGHTS ON THAT? ON SUPS THERE CAN BE CONDITIONS ADDED TO SUPS, WHETHER IT'S TIME OR OTHER THINGS. SO SUP IS KIND OF OPEN UP THE DOOR FOR CONDITIONS. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER. OKAY. ONE QUESTION I HAVE IS THIS SOUNDS FAMILIAR. YOU'VE GOT TWO LOCATIONS ONE ONE PROVIDER. SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE A CARDIOLOGIST WHO HAS AN OFFICE HERE AND AN OFFICE THERE. BOTH OFFICES AREN'T OPEN 24 HOURS A DAY, OBVIOUSLY. RIGHT. SO IT'D BE THE KIND OF DEAL YOU'LL PROVIDE DOWN HERE. AND THEN SOME DAYS AND UP THERE SOME DAYS, UNLESS YOU GET ANOTHER ARTIST WHO CAN AND DO THAT KIND OF WORK. OKAY. AND MY, MY QUESTION OF STAFF WOULD BE I JUST MENTIONED CONDITIONS. COULD WE CONDITION THIS THAT IT BE FOR MEDICAL PURPOSES ONLY. SO THE REFERENCE THAT YOU WERE PROVIDING IN OUR TATTOO PIERCING ESTABLISHMENT THAT LAND USE DEFINITION, IT DOES HAVE SOMETHING THAT SAYS, WELL, THIS DEFINITION DOES NOT INCLUDE MEDICAL, COSMETIC, THINGS LIKE THAT, THINGS THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT. SO THEN IT REFERS US TO THE PERMANENT COSMETICS DEFINITION, WHICH IS THE LICENSED PRACTICE OF APPLYING INKS AND DYES TO THE DERMAL LAYER OF THE SKIN BY THE USE OF NEEDLES OR OTHER INSTRUMENTS DESIGNED TO CONTACT OR PUNCTURE THE SKIN FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING EITHER PERMANENT COLORATION FOR MEDICAL SKIN RESTORATION OR COSMETIC COLORATION TO ENHANCE OR DIMINISH PERSONAL FEATURES SUCH AS LIPS, EYEBROWS, EYELIDS, AND BLEMISH AND MOLD. MITIGATION. THERE IS A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT THAT USE, SAYS PERSONAL SERVICES THAT SHOULD BE CLASSIFIED UNDER PERSONAL SERVICES, AND THIS IS IN CR, AND IT DOES NOT REQUIRE AN SUP AND CR. BUT FOR THAT, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT IS THE PERMANENT BUSINESS. BECAUSE IF TATTOOING, REGULAR TATTOOING IS THE PERMANENT BUSINESS, THEN WE CANNOT CLASSIFY IT AS A PERSONAL SERVICES. SO THAT WILL BE UP TO YOU TO PROVIDE US THAT CLARIFICATION THAT, HEY, WHAT YOU SAID 25% OF YOUR BUSINESSES ARE MEDICAL OR 25%, 25% ARE TATTOO. OKAY. AND THERE'S NO PERCENTAGES IN THERE OR ANYTHING THERE. THERE'S NONE. BUT WHAT WE DON'T WANT IS FOR US TO CLASSIFY SOMETHING AS PERSONAL SERVICES, WHEN IN REALITY THAT IS BEING OPERATED AS A TATTOO PARLOR. SO THERE'S THAT BECOMES A CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE. BUT IF YOU WERE TO CONFIRM THAT YOUR USE SHOULD BE A PERMANENT COSMETIC USE AND IT'S UNDER PERSONAL SERVICES USE, THEN WE CAN CLASSIFY IT AS PERSONAL SERVICES, WHICH IS PERMITTED BY RIGHT. BUT I WOULD SAY STAFF WOULD PROBABLY RECOMMEND TABLING THIS ITEM MAYBE UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING AND BRING IT BACK. BUT AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT IN THE GDC.YOU DO. NO WE DON'T. I'VE BEEN TOLD WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO POSTPONE AN ITEM. AND I BELIEVE THAT'S THE ADVICE THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY GAVE TO IN RESPONSE TO SOME QUESTIONS ON THIS. I WASN'T INVOLVED WITH THAT, BUT IT'S IN THE GDC IS ONE OF THE ITEMS I WAS GOING TO BRING UP. BUT THAT'S RELATED TO A PLAN THAT'S NOT RELATED TO A ZONING CASE. AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THAT CONVERSATION. WELL, THIS ONE HAS A PLAN ATTACHED TO IT, BUT IT'S STILL A ZONING CASE. SO
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THE SECTION THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO THAT WE'RE STILL DISCUSSING A CHANGE IN ZONING, EVEN THOUGH THERE IS A PLAN, BUT IT'S STILL A CHANGE IN ZONING. I'M ALL FOR IT. IF WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND TEMPORARILY POSTPONE, THAT WOULD BE THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE CITY ATTORNEY TO ADVISE YOU IF IT IF IT'S THE COMMISSION'S WILL TO POSTPONE THIS, TO GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK INTO THIS ALTERNATIVE DEFINITION THAT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. AND IF THEY FIT UNDER THAT, THEN THEN I BELIEVE IF IT'S YOUR WILL, WE COULD TABLE IT UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING.CAN WE TABLE EVERYTHING, INCLUDING THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT IS WITH IT THEN? I'D SAY GO AHEAD AND LET'S. WELL, I MEAN, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS IT REALLY DOES BOIL DOWN TO THERE IS A CONCEPT PLAN ATTACHED, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ZONING CHANGE. AND SO WITHOUT THE ZONING CHANGE, THE PLAN IS NOT GOING TO MOVE FORWARD AT ALL. AND SO IF WE'VE TABLED THE ZONING CHANGE, THE CONCEPT PLAN WOULD, WOULD MIGRATE WITH THAT FOR THIS. THIS IS KIND OF A WEIRD WE'LL CLEAR IT UP IN THE FUTURE. YEAH. YEAH. IT GOES TO MY POINT OF THAT.
I'VE STATED PREVIOUSLY TO CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. SO COMMISSIONERS, TONIGHT WE HAVE THE OPTION TO POSTPONE THIS BECAUSE SOME VERY RELEVANT INFORMATION CAME UP ABOUT THE ACTUAL USE THAT I DON'T THINK STAFF WAS AWARE OF. AND SO WE SHOULD POSTPONE THIS TO A TIME DETERMINED, WHICH WOULD PROBABLY BE THE NEXT MEETING. MR. CHAIR, IF YOU WANT TO. SO BUT WE HAVE DISCUSSION FROM COMMISSIONER DALTON AND COMMISSIONER ROSE. AS MANY TIMES I HAVE COME IN HERE WITH THE ONE THOUGHT AND HAVE CHANGED MY MIND DUE TO TESTIMONY. I BELIEVE WE HAVE A VIABLE BUSINESS THAT WOULD DO BE VERY GOOD FOR GARLAND IN THE MEDICAL, TATTOOING OR MEDICAL MODIFICATION, WHATEVER THE PROPER TERM WOULD BE. MY PROBLEM IS HOW DO WE GET THEM THERE? I WANT TO SEE THEM GET THERE. WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO GET THEM THERE? AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE DELAY WOULD BE FOR. SO THEY COULD PROBABLY PROVIDE BROCHURES AND STUFF FROM THEIR PLANO OFFICE TO STAFF, AND THEN THEY COULD DETERMINE, AND THEY MAY NOT EVEN HAVE TO COME BACK.
WELL, MY QUESTION BECOMES, WOULD WE DENY THEM AND LET IT GO BACK TO BE MODIFIED, OR SHOULD WE JUST POSTPONE? AND I BELIEVE STAFF RECOMMENDS POSTPONEMENT WOULD BE THE BETTER OPTION. YES.
IF YOU POSTPONE, WE CAN COME BACK WITH MORE INFORMATION DURING THE NEXT MEETING. THE ONLY THING IS IF IT IF WE END UP, IF WE IN COORDINATION WITH BUILDING INSPECTION, WE END UP DETERMINING THIS IS A PERSONAL SERVICES USE, THEN THAT MAY NOT EVEN NEED AN SUP. AND THERE MAY NOT EVEN BE A VALID ZONING CASE. BUT IF COMMISSION POSTPONES IT TO A CERTAIN DAY, USUALLY IT NEEDS TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL ON TO COMMISSION ON THAT DAY. SO THAT PART WE'LL HAVE TO FIGURE IT OUT. THEY CAN WITHDRAW THE ZONING CASE AND JUST MOVE FORWARD IN THAT SITUATION. BUT THERE MAY STILL BE A FORMALITY FOR YOU TO SEE IT ON THE AGENDA. SO THAT PART WE'LL HAVE TO FIGURE IT OUT. SO IF WE POSTPONE THEN IN THE MEANTIME THEY MAY COME AND WITHDRAW AND THEN JUST CHANGE IT TO PERSONAL SERVICE. IF THEY CHANGE IT TO PERSONAL SERVICE THEN IT IT'S NOT A ZONING CASE, RIGHT. IT'S PERMITTED BY RIGHT AWAY FOR US. CORRECT. PERFECT. THANK YOU. IT WOULD LIKELY STILL SHOW UP ON THE AGENDA AND THEN BE WITHDRAWN AT THE NEXT HEARING. RIGHT.
WE'RE MAKING SAUSAGE HERE, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO HELP YOU. I HEAR YOU, COMMISSIONER ROSE. AND THEN COMMISSIONER PARIS. HOW DO YOU ALL FEEL ABOUT YOUR POSITION BEING POSTPONED UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING? WE'VE BEEN WAITING QUITE SOME TIME. BUT IF THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES TO GET US, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE NEED TO BE, WHERE WE WANT TO BE, THEN WE'RE OKAY WITH BEING POSTPONED. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER PARIS. CHAIRMAN. I INITIALLY HAD MY MC REQUEST TO HAVE MY MC ON BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE WERE FINISHED WITH QUESTIONS. WE CAN CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN HAVE DISCUSSION AMONGST US VERSUS THEM STANDING. THAT WAS WHAT MY INITIAL REQUEST WAS. SO, COMMISSIONER JENKINS, YOU'RE ALSO IN THE QUEUE WAS THAT THAT'S. I'LL MAKE IT A MOTION. I'LL MAKE IT A MOTION. OKAY.
COMMISSIONER.ARIS FLOOR IS OPEN FOR A MOTION. I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND THEN WE'LL GO INTO DISCUSSION SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER PARIS, A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JENKINS TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND GO INTO DISCUSSION. HAVE A SEAT. AND IT
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DOESN'T MEAN I WON'T CALL YOU BACK IF WE HAVE SOME DISTINCT QUESTIONS. BUT BEFORE WE DO THAT, THERE'S NOBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE, SO I DON'T HAVE TO CALL FOR ANYBODY ELSE. OKAY, COMMISSIONER PARIS, DID YOU WANT TO START THE DISCUSSION? WE'RE GOING TO VOTE. NO, NO, WE'RE WE'RE INTO DISCUSSION MODE NOW. WE'RE NOT VOTING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND GO TO. OH, YEAH. YEAH, WE'RE CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING. I'M SORRY. YEAH. PLEASE VOTE. THANK YOU. AND THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. WE ARE IN DISCUSSION MODE NOW. THE QUEUE IS WORKING. I THINK AGAIN, THE DISCUSSION WAS. THE DISCUSSION WAS JUST MORE SO I WANTED TO BE SURE I UNDERSTOOD IF WE IF WE'RE MAKING THAT TYPE OF RECOMMENDATION TO POSTPONE. BUT I GOT A BIT MORE CLARITY TOWARDS THE END OF IF IT IF IT IS. AND MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THIS IF, IF THE ESTABLISHMENT, THE BUSINESS DECIDES TO BE PERSONAL ONLY. I THINK MY CLARIFYING QUESTION PERSONAL COSMETIC USE, MEDICAL USE, MY. AND THERE'S NO PERCENTAGE IN THE GDC AROUND IT. COULD THERE BE IN THIS EXAMPLE, THERE'S 75% MEDICAL USE, 25% ISH. IT MAY NOT BE THE EXACT PERCENTAGES, BUT MORE WEIGHTED TOWARDS THE MEDICAL SIDE. WILL IT STILL ALLOW IT TO MOVE TO A STATE WHERE THERE'S NOT NEEDED FOR AN SUP? I'M TRYING TO. OKAY, SO IF THE IF THOSE PERCENTAGES ARE THERE, THEY STILL CAN MOVE.I'LL HAVE TO CONFER TO CONFER WITH BUILDING INSPECTION BECAUSE THIS IS GENERALLY YES. IF THE MAJORITY OF THE USE IS CERTAIN THING AND THE OTHER PART IS JUST ACCESSORY, THEN THEY WILL BE CLASSIFIED AS A PERSONAL SERVICE USE. THE ONLY REASON I HESITATE TO FULLY ANSWER THAT RIGHT NOW IS DIFFERENT, BECAUSE THIS IS A SENSITIVE USE. TATTOOING AND BODY PIERCING ESTABLISHMENT IS A SENSITIVE USE, SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE OUR COLLEAGUES AT BUILDING INSPECTION ARE COMFORTABLE WITH US MAKING THAT CALL THAT, HEY, EVEN IF IT'S 25%, THIS COULD BE AN ACCESSORY USE TO A PERMITTED PERSONAL SERVICES USE. SO THAT'S WHY I WANTED THAT EXTRA TIME SO THAT WE CAN CONFER WITH THEM.
AND I JUST WANT TO SAY ON THE RECORD, THANK YOU FOR STAFF. I WASN'T ABLE TO COMMUNICATE THIS PRIOR TO YOU TO BE PREPARED FOR IT. SO THANK YOU FOR THE FLEXIBILITY. I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR A GOOD CATCH ON THAT ORDINANCE PIECE THERE. COMMISSIONER JENKINS, I WANT TO ECHO BOTH COMMISSIONER DALTON'S INITIAL STATEMENT, MY RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS CASE, AS IT WAS PRESENTED, WAS A DENIAL. AND BASED UPON THE TESTIMONY OF THE APPLICANT THIS EVENING, I AM MORE INCLINED OR MORE AGREEABLE TO THE IDEA OF THE POSTPONEMENT TO BETTER PERMIT THE APPLICANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO FLESH OUT, ALONG WITH STAFF STAFF'S ASSISTANCE, WHAT THAT THAT THAT WHOLE BUSINESS LOOKS LIKE THAT WHOLE LAND USE LOOKS LIKE. SO THANK YOU TO THE APPLICANT AND THANK YOU TO STAFF FOR YOUR FLEXIBILITY. AGAIN, I, I ALSO ECHOING COMMISSIONER PERRY'S COMMENTS THAT WE KNOW THAT IT'S RIGHT UP HERE WHERE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO AVOID AMBUSHES, AND YET WE ARE THROWING CURVEBALLS LEFT AND RIGHT. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING FLEXIBLE AND ACCOMMODATING WITH US THIS EVENING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER CORNELIUS. AND THEN COMMISSIONER DUCKWORTH. I AGREE WITH EVERYONE REGARDING THIS. I DID COME IN THINKING THAT I WAS GOING TO DENY THIS. HOWEVER, BECAUSE OF SOME PERSONAL FEELINGS ABOUT THIS TYPE OF TATTOOING, I THINK IT'S VERY NECESSARY. AND IF WE CAN GO BACK AND CHECK AND MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THE I'S ARE DOTTED AND T'S ARE CROSSED IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN, I REALLY BELIEVE WE NEED TO DO IT. SO I'M IN SUPPORT OF THAT. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DUCKWORTH. EXCUSE ME. I WANT TO ECHO WHAT YOU HEARD MY OTHER COMMISSIONER SAY WITH ME. I HAD I HAD ONE THOUGHT WHEN I CAME INTO THIS. BUT THANK Y FOR YOUR CLARIFICATION. I'M SURE YOU DO PROVIDE A VERY NEEDY SERVICE TO OUR TO OUR COMMUNITY OR TO OUR TO THE PUBLIC IN THE AREA. SO I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THE OUTCOME OF THIS. AND, AND I, I'M HOPING THAT GOD'S GOING TO BLESS IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COMMISSIER DALTON. SO TO EXPEDITE FOR THE CLIENT, THE CLIENT, THE APPLICANT, WE NEED TO POSTPONE THIS, CORRECT? YES. TO THEN I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE POSTPONE THIS TO THE NEXT MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THAT WOULD BE FEBRUARY 24TH. CORRECT? OKAY.
MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DALTON, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER PARIS TO POSTPONE THIS CASE UNTIL THE
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FEBRUARY 24TH MEETING. SEEING NO DISCUSSION, PLEASE VOTE. IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. GOOD LUCK.AND STAFF WILL EXPLAIN TO YOU. BUT WHAT THIS MEANS IS, IF YOU CAN PROVIDE INFORMATION TO STAFF TO MAKE THEM FEEL COMFORTABLE, YOU MAY BE CLASSIFIED AS SOMETHING ELSE AND THEN CAN GO STRAIGHT AHEAD. ALL. CAN WE BRING ONE OF OUR CLIENTS TESTIMONY? WOULD THAT BE? YEAH.
JUST TALK TO STAFF AFTER AFTER THE MEETING AND THEY'LL WORK WITH YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. OH, YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME. THANK YOU. ALRIGHTY. THEY NEVER GO THE WAY WE THINK THEY WILL. DO THEY? THAT'S THE SYSTEM WORKING, FOLKS. ZONING CASE ITEM THREE B HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING TO
[b. Hold a public hearing to consider amendments to Attachment 1 – Land Use Matrix as it relates to Laundry, Self-Service (Laundromat) use.]
CONSIDER AMENDMENTS TO ATTACHMENT ONE LAND USE MATRIX AS IT RELATES TO LAUNDRY.SELF-SERVICE LAUNDROMAT USE. THANK YOU. CHAIR. THIS ITEM WAS PRESENTED TO YOU BACK IN JANUARY AND SOME ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS WERE ASKED. WE KIND OF WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT SOME OF THE SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS, TALKED TO OUR FRIENDS IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND WANTED TO BRING YOU SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. IF WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE AS OKAY, JUST TO PROVIDE A REFRESHER, I WILL GO OVER WHAT IT IS THAT WE ARE ACTUALLY TRYING TO DO. IF WE COULD GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL SLIDE. SO RIGHT NOW THE LAUNDRY SELF-SERVICE LAUNDROMAT USE IS PERMITTED WITH AN SUP IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES DISTRICT AND THEN PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN COMMUNITY RETAIL ARE PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN LIGHT COMMERCIAL AND PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN HEAVY COMMERCIAL. AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SLIDE, THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES COMMITTEE HAD RECOMMENDED THAT WE LOOK INTO IT AND WE PROCESS AN AMENDMENT THAT WOULD REQUIRE AN SUP FOR THIS USE IN THE CR ZONING DISTRICT. WITH THE PROCESS, IT WENT TO CITY COUNCIL AND THEN CITY COUNCIL VOTED. MAJORITY OF THEM VOTED YES ON THIS ITEM FOR US TO BRING IT BACK, BRING IT TO PLANNING COMMISSION, AND THEN EVENTUALLY IT WILL GO TO CITY COUNCIL. SOME OF T THE ADDITNAL INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE PUT TOGETHER, IF WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE NOW. SORRY, WE HAVE A MAP HERE ON THE SLIDE THAT YOU COULD SEE. THE BLUE DOTS THAT YOU SEE ON THE MAPS ARE WHERE OUR EXISTING LAUNDROMATS ARE. AS YOU CAN SEE, IT IS DISTRIBUTED THROUGHOUT THE CITY. THERE ARE CERTAIN AREAS WHERE WE DON'T SEE THEM TO THE SOUTH WEST SIDE. THAT PART IS ALL INDUSTRIAL.
THAT'S WHY THEY'RE NOT THERE, BECAUSE THERE ARE NO RESIDENTS THERE TO USE THAT TYPE OF FACILITY. WE DON'T HAVE TOO MANY OF THEM TO THE NORTHEAST SIDE AS WELL. BUT THAT PART, AGAIN, IS NOT AS DEVELOPED. THAT PART OF THE CITY. AND THEN THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF GAP IN THE SOUTH EAST SIDE AS WELL. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, IN THE CENTRAL AREA OF THE CITY, WE WOULD SAY THAT USE IS PRETTY COMMON. WE SAW 34 OF THEM ON THE LIST, AND MAJORITY OF THEM ARE LOCATED EITHER IN THE CR ZONING DISTRICT OR A PD THAT HAS A BASE ZONING OF CR. THERE WAS A QUESTION REGARDING SQUARE FOOTAGE BECAUSE DURING THE INITIAL RESEARCH FOR THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES COMMITTEE, WE HAD COME UP WITH SOME IDEAS THAT, HEY, LET'S LOOK AT OTHER CITIES AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING. AND CARROLLTON RICHARDSON, SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES DO USE LAUNDRY SERVICES, MAJOR OR PERSONAL SERVICES, MAJOR MINOR. AND THEY KIND OF DIFFERENTIATE THEM WITH SQUARE FOOTAGE. SO THAT WAS A THOUGHT THAT WAS SHARED FOR THAT. THAT'S A LITTLE OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE OF THIS PARTICULAR AMENDMENT, BECAUSE THAT WILL REQUIRE US TO GO AND AMEND THE DEFINITION OF THOSE USES. BUT I DO WANT TO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT IF THE COMMISSION WANTS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, WHICH MEANS THE IMPACT OF THAT LAND USE, IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT IT THAT WAY, AN SUP CAN CERTAINLY ACCOMMODATE THAT ADDITIONAL SCRUTINY BASED ON SQUARE FOOTAGE. THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO MENTION, THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF CONCERN ABOUT, HEY, THERE ARE MANY LAUNDROMATS OPERATING IN THE CITY, AND BY REQUIRING SUP IN THE CR DISTRICT, WHERE MAJORITY OF THEM ARE, WE ARE GOING TO MAKE THEM NONCONFORMING. SO THERE'S A WAY WE CAN CRAFT THE ORDINANCE IN A WAY THAT WILL SAY THAT THE NEW LAUNDROMATS THAT ARE COMING TO THE CITY AFTER THIS DAY, AFTER THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE ORDINANCE BEING PASSED, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT REQUIRE SUP.
ALL THE EXISTING ONES WILL REMAIN NOT JUST LEGAL CONFORMING, THEY'LL JUST REMAIN AS IS. THE SUP REQUIREMENT DOESN'T APPLY TO THEM. SO THERE IS A WAY WE CAN CRAFT THE
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ORDINANCE THAT WAY. WE HAVE TALKED WITH LEGAL ABOUT THAT. SO THAT'S AN OPTION. WE ALSO SPOKE WITH OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, NOT THAT THEY'RE DIRECTLY RELATED WITH LAND USE ISSUE. AND THIS IS WE ARE LOOKING AT IT WITH THE LAND USE LENS. BUT WE JUST WANTED TO SEE IF THEY HAD ANYTHING IN THEIR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN OR ANYTHING THAT SPEAKS DIRECTLY ABOUT THIS USE. AND THEY UNFORTUNATELY DO NOT. BUT THEY WANTED TO THEY DID MAKE SOME COMMON SOME, SOME STATEMENTS THAT I WANTED TO SHARE WITH THE COMMISSION THAT FROM A LAND USE PERSPECTIVE, THE WAY EDC SEES IT. THESE USES, SOMETIMES IT LOOKS LIKE, HEY, THERE'S A LOT OF DEMAND FOR IT BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE COMING IN AND ASKING FOR THESE USES, BUT SOMETIMES IT'S NOT BECAUSE THERE IS A DEMAND FOR IT. SOMETIMES IT'S BECAUSE THESE ARE EASY TO USE, THAT ANYONE CAN JUST OCCUPY A SUITE AND JUST OPERATE A LAUNDROMAT FROM THERE. IT DOESN'T REQUIRE MUCH FROM A DEVELOPER'S PERSPECTIVE TO BRING IN THAT USE. SO THAT COULD BE WHY I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S THE ONLY REASON, BUT THAT'S THAT COULD BE A CONTRIBUTING FACTOR.THE OTHER THING THAT THEY WANTED TO MENTION THAT YES, THERE'S NOTHING IN THE ED STRATEGIC PLAN THAT SPEAKS TO THIS PARTICULAR USE, BUT THEY DO SEE THAT THESE TYPE OF USES AND SHOPPING CENTERS, THEY THEY DO IMPACT WHAT OTHER USES ARE COMING IN THE SURROUNDING AREAS. AND THEY WANTED TO LEAVE IT AT THAT. THAT'S FOR YOU TO TAKE IT FOR WHAT IT IS. BUT THAT'S ALL WE HAVE AS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. BUT I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF. COMMISSIONER JENKINS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. FIRST AND FOREMOST, MR. SAWYER, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR AVAILABILITY AND FLEXIBILITY TO MEET WITH ME ON THIS ISSUE. AND THEN I HAD A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS AND THREW YOU CURVEBALLS AND YOU FIELDED THEM ALL REALLY WELL. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND MA'AM THANK YOU AS WELL. I MY FIRST QUESTION AND IT'S HANDWRITTEN SO MY HAWRITING IS REALLY BAD AND I HAVE MY READING GLASSES ON SO FORGIVE ME. HERE WE GO. HOW YOU MENTIONED A COUPLE THINGS. YOU KNOW THAT IT'S EASY FOR AN INVESTOR OR A DEVELOPER TO COME IN AND PUT A, YOU KNOW, THIS PARTICULAR USE IN A PARTICULAR LOCAON. WE'VE HAD SOME CASES IN THE PAST REGARDING ICE MACHINES BECAUSE THERE IS A THERE IS A PLETHORA OF THOSE AROUND THE CITY. AND WE AT THAT TIME HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW COMPETITION WOULD OCCUR. YOU'D HAVE THE FREE MARKET THAT WOULD EFFECTIVELY DETERMINE WHICH ARE THE BETTER USES, WOULD STAY IN BUSINESS AND WHICH WERE THE WHICH WOULD OUT. A SO MY QUESTION IS, HOW WOULD THIS PROPOSAL IMPACT FUTURE REINVESTMENT AND COMPETITION IN THESE USES? AND THEN THE PIGGYBACK IS THERE A WAY THAT THE CITY COULD ENSURE REVITALIZATION OR INVESTMENT IF THERE IS AN INCREASED COST? IT'S DIFFICULT TO REALLY SAY YES OR NO FOR THESE TYPE OF USES.
AGAIN, I HAVEN'T SEEN MANY THAT ARE REALLY BUILDING IT ON AN EMPTY PAD SITE. USUALLY THEY COME IN IN A NEW SHOPPING CENTER, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I THINK IT WILL DEPEND ON HOW WE ARE TRYING TO REVITALIZE AND WHAT ROUTE WE ARE GOING. IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO SAY ONE WAY, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER AT THIS POINT. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU PROVIDED US WITH A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE IN SAYING, YOU KNOW, WELL, DRC COULD EASILY, YOU KNOW, SAY, LET'S GET AN ADDITIONAL DEFINITION IN THERE SO THAT WE HAVE OTHER ALTERNATIVES AVAILABLE AND TO ADDRESS THE NEED ITSELF. AND SO THAT THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND MR. CHAIR, THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. ARE YOUR COMMENTS BROUGHT UP? ANOTHER QUESTION? I'M SORRY I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THIS EARLIER, BUT IN YOUR CHECKING WITH FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND ANYTHING, DID YOU CHECK WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO SEE IF THERE ARE ANY CALL ISSUES WITH LAUNDROMATS OR ANYTHING? BECAUSE NO, GENERALLY NOT. WE TRY TO KIND OF STAY AWAY FROM DOING THAT BECAUSE THAT'S NOT DIRECTLY ASSOCIATED WITH THE USE. BUT NO, WE DID NOT CHECK. YOU MENTIONED EASY TO SET UP. SO THAT LEADS TO ANOTHER POTENTIAL NEFARIOUS USE.
BUT THAT HASN'T CROPPED ITS UGLY HEAD. SO OKAY, THAT'S ALL I HAD. THANK YOU. ALRIGHTY.
COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER JENKINS, MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. YOUR MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. DO I HEAR A SECOND, SECOND MOTIOION BY COMMISSIONER JENKINS AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DUCKWORTH TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? I'LL REMEMBER TO VOTE ON THIS ONE. YEAH, WE'RE IN THAT PASSAGE UNANIMOUSLY. WE ARE IN DISCUSSION MODE. AND ANYBODY
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CARE TO START? MR. CHAIR, COMMISSIONER JENKINS. ALL RIGHT. APPARENTLY. FEEL FREE TO CUT ME SHORT IF I GO A LITTLE LONG, I, I APPARENTLY APPEAR TO LIKE THE SOUND OF MY OWN VOICE. AND I PROMISE YOU, IT'S NOT TRUE AT ALL. I CANNOT FIND GOOD CAUSE TO SUPPORT THIS AMENDMENT. AS IT STANDS NOW, IN REVIEWING THE STATED GOALS OF OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, AND IN LIGHT OF OUR ONGOING EFFORT TO BUILD AND SUPPORT A STRONG TOWN AS WE CONTEMPLATE OUR FUTURE ZONING OF THE CITY. JUST MORE CLARIFICATION AND SPECIFICATION ARE NEEDED TO GET MY SUPPORT ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM. LOOK, NO SECRETS AND WE'VE GOT THE SLIDES HERE IN FRONT OF US THAT WE'RE THE 94TH LARGEST IN THE US, THE 13TH LARGEST IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. AND OUR EFFORTS ARE NOW HYPER FOCUSED ON GROWING OUR TAX BASE. THAT'S AN ECHO OF IN GOAL. WE DO THAT BY ASSIST ASSISTING IN BUSINESS RETENTION AND EXPANSION. WE ALREADY HAVE A HIGHER TAX RATE THAN MANY OF OUR CONTEMPORARIES. AGAIN, WE'VE GOT THE SLIDES IN FRONT OF US ON THAT, AND WE CAN'T AFFORD AT THIS POINT TO BE CONSIDERING DECREASING IT. WE FACE SOME CHALLENGES, AND THAT TAX RATE AND OUR LACK OF AVAILABLE OPEN SPACE FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT ARE SOME OF THEM. IN FACT, AS STAFF HAS ALREADY INDICATED, IT'S NOT LIKELY THAT WE WILL CONTINUE TO SEE A LOT OF NEW DEVELOPMENT AROUND THE WHOLE CITY AT THE JANUARY 22ND, 2025 MEETING, WE SAW A SLIDE FROM THE GARLAND FORWARD TEAM THAT ILLUSTRATES THE REVENUE OF OUR ZONING DISTRICTS AND THAT IS ALSO INCLUDED HERE BEFORE US. ACCORDING TO THEM, THE CRA DISTRICT YIELDS ONLY 535 NET DOLLARS PER ACRE DEBT FUNDED COSTS. AND I BELIEVE THAT LIMITING THIS PROPOSED USE, WHICH THE AVAILABLE DATA SHOWS HAS A HIGH SUCCESS RATE, IS RECESSION RESISTANT AND OFFERS A POTENTIAL FOR SUPPORTIVE RETAIL SERVICES LIKE CAFES AND DRY CLEANING. USES MAY POTENTIALLY, POTENTIALLY AND NEGATIVELY IMPACT OUR GOAL TO MAKE LASTING AND INCLUSIVE PROSPERITY. WE SHOULD SUPPORT POLICIES IN THE FUTURE THAT WILL AVOID A FRAGILE AND OVERLY COMPLEX LOCAL ECONOMY AND THAT ADDRESS ANY AFFORDABILITY GAPS. WHILE THERE ARE SOME CHALLENGES WITH THIS USE, I'D FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH ADDITIONAL CLARIFICATION AS I'VE STATED OR DIRECTION BEFORE RECOMMENDING A CATEGORICAL CATEGORICAL DISINCENTIVE FOR POTENTIAL INVESTMENT IN OUR CITY, AND I YIELD. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I HAVE A TENDENCY TO AGREE THAT I DON'T SEE A COMPELLING REASON TO DO IT. COMMISSIONER DALTON, YOU WERE DOING QUITE WELL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. I WAS GOING TO KIND OF RIDE ON THE BACK OF COMMISSIONER JENKINS. I, I, I, I DON'T SEE A GIANT PROBLEM HERE. I JUST DON'T. AND WHY WOULD WE TRY TO LIMIT SOMETHING THAT'S NOT BEEN A PROBLEM. SO I'M, I'M NOT INCLINED TO SUPPORT THIS AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME UNLESS SOMEONE'S GOT A PRETTY GOOD ARGUMENT FOR ME. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. YEAH. LIKE I SAID, I SEE THE SAME THING. AND I UNDERSTAND THE DESIRE TO HAVE SOMETHING BETTER IN THESE LEASED SPACES. BUT TOO OFTEN WE'VE SEEN LEASED SPACES REMAIN EMPTY. AND THEN THE OWNER HAS NO INCOME AND NO INCENTIVE TO DO IMPROVEMENTS OR ANYTHING. SO AND IF WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT HOW SIZES AND STUFF LIKE THAT, WE'RE GOING TO BE REDOING THE GDC IN A FEW YEARS HERE. WE MAY NEED TO LOOK CLOSER AT THE LAUNDROMAT USE AND WHAT AMENITIES SHOULD BE WITH IT. SIZES, RESTRICTIONS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. BUT TO ME, THEY SERVE A VERY VALID PURPOSE FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE. SO. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALRIGHTY, WE'LL NEED A MOTION TO RECOMMEND MOVING FORWARD WITH APPROVAL OR NON-APPROVAL TO THE COUNCIL. MR. CHAIR. COMMISSIONER JENKINS, I RECOMMEND A REFERRAL OF THIS ITEM BACK TO THE DSC FOR FURTHER CLARIFICATION AND ASSISTANCE. I GUESS THAT'S IF I HAVE TO SAY DENIAL, THEN RECOMMEND THE DENIAL OF THIS ITEM. YEAH.DENIAL OF THE CHANGE. SECOND. OKAY. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER JENKINS. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DALTON TO REFER THIS BACK TO COUNCIL WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL FOR THE CHANGE. AND GO
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AHEAD. JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICICATION. WE WILL GO TO THIS ITEM, WILL GO TO CITYTY COUNCIL AND WILL BE SURE TO CONVEY THE CONCERNS ABOUT THIS AND KIND OF PUT THAT OPTION OUT THERE THAT, HEY, THERE IS A WAY TO GO BACK TO THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES COMMITTEE, BUT THIS ITEM WILL MOVE FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL FROM HERE. THAT'S WHY I STATED THE MOTION THE WAY I DID IT FORWARD AT THE DENIAL FROM US. YES, IT WILL MOVE FORWARD AS A DENIAL IF THAT MOTION PASSES CORRECTLY. YES. NOTHING IS WRITTEN IN STONE. AS WE SAW EARLIER. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS ON THE MOTION? ALL RIGHTY. LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET RID OF THE VOTE THEN. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.[c. Hold a public hearing to consider amendments to the plat approval and relevant procedures.]
THANK YOU. ALRIGHTY. LAST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS CASE THREE C. I HAVEN'T SKIPPED ANYTHING TONIGHT. NO. GOOD. HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER AMENDMENTS TO THE PLAT APPROVAL AND RELEVANT PROCEDURES. SO THIS ONE WE HAD THIS ITEM AS A WORKSHOP ITEM A COUPLE WEEKS AGO. AS YOU UNDERSTAND, THE STATE LAW HAS ENABLED US TO BRING THE PLAT APPROVAL PROCESS TO ADMINISTRATIVE. AS YOU UNDERSTAND, PLATS ARE MINISTERIAL IF IT MEETS THE TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS. THERE'S THE PLAN COMMISSION IS OBLIGATED TO APPROVE THE PLAT. SO THAT KIND OF BRINGS IT DOWN TO THE POINT. SO WHY GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF CREATING A REPORT, PUTTING PUTTING IT ON THE AGENDA, ONLY TO HAVE IT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND HAVE THE PLAN COMMISSION MEMBERS READ THE REPORT, SPEND YOUR TIME, THINGS LIKE THAT, AND IT WILL SAVE TIME ON OUR END. IT WILL MAKE THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS SPEEDIER BECAUSE THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR A PLAN COMMISSION MEETING TO SCHEDULE IT AND ALL THAT, ALL THAT FORMALITY THAT COMES ALONG, HAVING IT STILL BEING APPROVED BY PLAN COMMISSION. SO WE YOU'LL SEE LONG, DIFFERENT LONG DOCUMENTS ON THE AGENDA PACKET. THAT'S BECAUSE THE PLAT PROCESS IS INCLUDED IN DIFFERENT SECTIONS OF THE GDC. AND WE KIND OF HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ADDRESSING ALL OF THAT AS WELL, SO THAT WE DON'T MAKE A CHANGE ON ONE SECTION. BUT THE OTHER SECTION STILL REFERS TO PLANNING COMMISSION AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO WE HAVE TRIED OUR BEST TO DO THAT. THE APPEAL RIGHT NOW, THE APPEAL, THE WAY THE APPEAL PROCESS WORKS IS THAT IF SOMEONE DISAGREES WITH THE PLAN COMMISSION'S ACTIONS ON A PLAT, THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO APPEAL TO CITY COUNCIL. WITH THIS BECOMING ADMINISTRATIVE, NOW THE PLANNING COMMISSION BECOMES THE BODY WHO THEY CAN APPEAL TO. SO IF THEY DISAGREE THAT HEY, YOU'RE SAYING STAFF SAYING THE TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS ARE NOT BEING MET BUT WE DISAGREE. THEY CAN ALWAYS COME TO PLAN, COMMISSION AND APPEAL THEIR CASE. SO THAT POINT I WANTED TO CONVEY. THE OTHER QUESTION WAS THAT, HEY, IS IT JUST THE PLANNING DIRECTOR WHO CAN APPROVE APPROVE A PLAT? SO I WANTED TO KIND OF SPEAK TO THAT JUST SO IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S JUST ONE PERSON RESPONSIBLE TO APPROVE THE WHOLE THING. THE REASON THE PLANNING DIRECTOR TERMINOLOGY IS THERE, BECAUSE IT'S A DEFINED TERM IN OUR GARLAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, AND IT'S THE PLANNING DIRECTOR OR THEIR AUTHORIZED DESIGNEE. SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ONE PERSON, ANYONE WHO'S AUTHORIZED BY THE PLANNING DIRECTOR HAS THE ABILITY TO APPROVE A PLAT. SO I WANTED TO KIND OF CLARIFY THAT PART AS WELL. BUT YEAH, WITH THAT, I KNOW THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS ON THE PACKET THAT YOU SEE THAT STILL SAYS PLAT OR THE PLAN, AND YOU FEEL LIKE, HEY, THIS DOESN'T APPLY TO US ANYMORE, THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT WE ARE ONLY TACKLING THE PLAT PROCESS WITH THIS AMENDMENT. BUT WE WILL BE BRINGING IN SOME OF THE OTHER ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS IN THE COMING DAYS THAT WILL CLARIFY THOSE THOSE THINGS AS WELL. ALRIGHTY. SO JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, CITY SURVEYOR IS PRETTY WELL THE ONE WHO DETERMINES IF THINGS ARE CORRECT OR NOT. THEY ARE HEAVILY INVOLVED IN THE PLAT PROCESS. YOU'RE CORRECT. YEAH, AND THEY'RE THE PROFESSIONAL BECAUSE THEY'RE A REGISTERED SURVEYOR. ALL RIGHT. ONE OTHER POINT I WANTED TO MENTION THERE WAS A COMMENT MADE DURING THE LAST MEETING THAT IS THERE A POSSIBILITY THAT THE PLATS COULD STILL SOMEHOW PLAN COMMISSION GETS TO SEE WHAT PLATS ARE BEING BEING APPROVED WITHOUT IT BEING ON THE ACTUAL AGENDA FOR THE PLAN COMMISSION TO TAKE ACTION ON. ONE THING THAT I THINK THE CHAIR YOU HAD COMMUNICATED LATER ON, YOU HAD COMMUNICATED AN IDEA THAT WHEN WE SEND OUT THE PLAN, PLANNING CASES, ZONING CASES MEMO, WE CAN ALSO INCLUDE THE PLATS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED IN THAT MEMO, JUST FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO BE AWARE OF THAT. SO WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT.[00:55:01]
JUST SO YOU KNOW, WHAT PLAT STAFF HAS APPROVED IN THE LAST MONTH OR SO. AND MY REASON FOR SUGGESTING THAT IT WOULDN'T BE ON THE AGENDA, WOULDN'T BECOME A PUBLIC ITEM IN THAT, OH, WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THIS OR THAT? YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST BEING INFORMED AND IT'S JUST PART OF THE REGULAR PROCESS. OKAY. AND YOU'RE AWARE OF SOME ITEMS THAT SEVERAL COMMISSIONERS HAVE CALLED IN LITTLE TYPOS AND IN TERMS OF NUMBERING, NUMBERING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. YES, YOU THOSE CAN BE TAKEN CARE OF ANYWAY. BUT IF YOU'D LIKE, YOU CAN INCLUDE IT IN YOUR MOTION AND WE'LL TAKE CARE OF THAT BEFORE IT GOES TO CITY COUNCIL. EITHER THAT OR WE, YOU KNOW, DO A GENERAL MOTION SAYING, YOU KNOW, ANY COMMENTS SENT IN ITEMS. YEAH. CORRECTIONS. SO, COMMISSIONER JENKINS, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. AND THIS IS GOING TO BE A QUESTION OR A REQUEST FROM THE FROM OUR CITY ATTORNEY FOR MORE INPUT HERE. BUT AS I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE THIS OUT, AND HERE I AM WITH MY HANDWRITTEN NOTES AGAIN, THE INCLUSION OF THIS PLAT APPROVAL PROCESS RIGHT NOW IN THE IN THE PC PLANNING AND ZONING PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS. IT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. AND AGAIN I'M LOOKING TO THEM FOR THAT THIS ASSISTANCE THAT IT SERVES AS A PROTECTION TO THE CITY. IT CONTEMPLATES. ARTICLE ONE, CHAPTER 17 OF THE TEXAS STATE CONSTITUTION AND THE FIFTH AMENDMENT OF THE US CONSTITUTION. SO THIS IMPLICATES DUE PROCESS. AND SO I DON'T HAVE ANY PARTICULAR INCLINATION AGAINST D DELEGATIN THE AUTHORIY TO STAFF. I WOULD JUST MAKE CERTAIN THAT WE HAVE WHETHER IT STILL DOES APPEAR ON THE EDGE, THE I MEAN, IT CAN APPEAR WE WERE SPEAKING ABOUT THIS EARLIER. YEAH, WE WERE, BUT I THINK THE, THE IMPORTANT THING HERE. SO I MAY CHANGE MY ANSWER A LITTLE BIT ON YOU. SO YOU'VE GOT, YOU'RE BASICALLY ANYTIME THERE'S THIS PLAT PROCESS, YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT AND THE INTERESTED PARTIES THERE. AND THEN THE PEOPLE THAT WHETHER IT DOES OR NOT THINK IT AFFECTS THEM. RIGHT. YEAH. THE DUE PROCESS RIGHTS FOR THE APPLICANT ARE GOING TO BE HANDLED BY OUR APPEAL PROCESS. THEY'LL GO THROUGH THERE. IF THEY FEEL THAT THEY'VE BEEN AGGRIEVED BY THE PLANNING DIRECTOR, THEY CAN THEN APPEAL TO I BELIEVE IT'S THIS THIS BOARD OR THIS COMMISSION. AND SO THAT'S GOING TO HANDLE THE DUE PROCESS THERE. AS FAR AS THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T LIKE THE PLAN IT IF IT MEETS ALL THE CRITERIA. THAT STATE LAW GIVES US NO DISCRETION. I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE ANY PATHWAY FOR THEM TO BE AGGRIEVED EITHER, BECAUSE WE HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO APPROVE IT IF IT MEETS ALL TECHNICAL STANDARDS, IF WE BELIEVE THAT IT MEETS IF AND THAT'S TRUE, MISTAKES HAPPEN.BUT THAT'S NOT GOING TO GIVE. I MEAN, IF A MISTAKE OCCURS, THAT'S GOING TO BE LACK OF A BETTER TERM PROBLEM FOR ANOTHER DAY. YEAH. IT'S NOT GOING TO GIVE SOME SORT OF DUE PROCESS VIOLATION TO THE NEIGHBORS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I DON'T BELIEVE AT ALL. NO. AND SO I THINK AS FAR AS I THINK THE BIG CONCERN ABOUT DUE PROCESS WOULD BE FOR THE APPLICANTS THEMSELVES AND THE APPEAL PROCESS SHOULD HANDLE THAT WITHOUT ANY ISSUE. OKAY. AND THANK YOU. YES. THAT ADDITIONAL CLARITY REGARDING THE APPEAL PROCESS. THAT WAS HELPFUL. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ALL RIGHT. AND ANOTHER CLARIFICATION AGAIN FOR THE PUBLIC, JUST SO THE PUBLIC KNOWS THEY'RE NOT BEING LEFT OUT OF IT. THE PUBLIC IS NOT NOTIFIED WITH LETTERS FOR PLATS. CORRECT.
UNLESS THERE THERE'S A VERY SPECIFIC TYPE OF PLANTS THAT REQUIRE NOTIFICATION. THAT WILL CONTINUE TO BE THE CASE. SO WE'RE NOT. BUT RIGHT NOW THERE'S NO YEAH. FOR A REGULAR PLAT, THERE'S NO NOTIFICATION THAT GOES OUT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN A CERTAIN DISTANCE. YEAH.
ALL RIGHT. GREAT. AND JUST TO FOLLOW UP WITH THAT AND AGAIN IF IT'S IF IT'S A PLAT THAT MEETS ALL THE REQUIREMENTS, WE'RE NOT CHANGING ANYTHING. WE'RE JUST SAYING THIS LOOKS GOOD. IF A MISTAKE IS MADE WE'LL DEAL WITH THAT WHEN IT COMES UP. THAT'LL BE A MATTER FOR ANOTHER DAY I GUESS WOULD BE THE WAY TO PUT IT. AND THAT AND JUST JUST TO PUT THINGS IN PERSPECTIVE THAT CAN STILL HAPPEN TODAY, EVEN WHEN IT'S COMING TO PLAN, COMMISSION. THAT SCENARIO REMAINS THE SAME. EVEN IF IT COMES TO PLAN COMMISSION. THERE COULD BE A MISTAKE MADE BY ANYONE DURING THE PROCESS. WE'VE HAD A CIVIL ENGINEER AND I THINK HE MAY HAVE CAUGHT ONE ONCE. I THINK I CAUGHT A DIRECTIONAL CALL ONCE, AND ACTUALLY THAT'S MORE OF A RISK TO THE APPLICANT THAN IT IS TO THE CITY. SO YEAH. ALL RIGHTY. COMMISSIONER PARIS, JUST A CLARIFICATION. I'M NOT THAT I'M NOT LEGAL. SO I WAS TRYING TO MAKE SURE I WAS TRACKING, BUT IN SOME I'M TRYING TO SUMMARIZE WHAT TO EXPECT. SO WE WILL SEE THAT THE PLAT WILL GO THROUGH THE TECHNICAL
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REQUIREMENTS. AND THEN FOR THE PUBLIC TO BE AWARE, IT WILL BE STILL ON THE AGENDA FOR THE PUBLIC TO SEE. AND IT WON'T. NO, IT WON'T, WILL NOT BE ON THE AGENDA. OKAY. AND THE REASON THAT'S OKAY IS BECAUSE I'M JUST MAKING SURE I'M TRACKING. THAT'S ALL. YES. SO THE BECAUSE IT'S MINISTERIAL ALREADY. SO THERE'S NO POINT OF PUTTING IT ON THE AGENDA JUST FOR THE SAKE OF IT BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO APPROVE IT ANYWAY, REGARDLESS OF WHO APPROVES IT. IT HAS TO BE APPROVED. IF IT'S IF IT'S MEETING ALL THE TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS, THE REASON WE WILL INCLUDE THE LIST OF PLATS THAT ARE APPROVED IN THE MEMO THAT WE SEND OUT TO THE COMMISSION.EMAIL OUT. JUST SO YOU ALL ARE AWARE OF WHAT PLATS HAVE BEEN APPROVED, JUST IN CASE A NEIGHBOR, A RESIDENT, SOMEONE COMES AND ASKS YOU, YOU KNOW THAT, HEY, THAT'S THE CASE. THE PLAT HAS BEEN APPROVED. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO MOVE THIS ON TO COUNCIL COMMISSIONER DALTON. MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT WE WILL. AND MOVE THIS FORWARD. APPROVE WITH OUR RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL. SECOND. OKAY. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DALTON. SECOND, BY COMMISSIONER CORNELIUS OR PARIS. OKAY. TO MOVE THIS ITEM ON TO THE COUNCIL, WOULD THAT INCLUDE ANY SUGGESTED CORRECTIONS AT TYPOS AND STUFF? YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHTY. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DALTON, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER PARIS TO APPROVE THIS AND PASS IT FORWARD TO COUNCIL WITH THE NOTES THAT ANY, ANY ERRORS NEED TO BE CORRECTED. SEEING NO DISCUSSION, PLEASE VOTE. COMMISSIONER JENKINS, YOUR VOTE DIDN'T TAKE. THERE WE GO. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. WELL, FOLKS, THAT WAS THE LAST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA FOR TONIGHT. LET ME DOUBLE CHECK. YEAH. THAT'S IT. SO UNTIL OUR NEXT AND IT IS NOW 630. NO THAT'S WHEN WE STARTED. IT'S NOW 732. SO UNTIL OUR MEETING OF FEBRUARY 24TH WE
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