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VERY GOOD. WELL, GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE FEBRUARY 18TH, 2025 REGULAR MEETING OF THE GARLAND CITY COUNCIL. IT IS A CUSTOM AND TRADITION OF THIS COUNCIL TO HAVE AN INVOCATION AND RECITAL OF THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE PRIOR TO THE BEGINNING OF OUR MEETING, LED BY ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF OUR COUNCIL. YOU'RE INVITED TO PARTICIPATE, IF YOU SO CHOOSE, BUT YOU ARE NOT REQUIRED TO PARTICIPATE IN EITHER OR BOTH. YOUR DECISION IS STRICTLY A MATTER OF YOUR OWN CHOICE AND HAS NO WILL HAVE NO BEARING ON THE MATTERS THAT WE ARE HEARING HERE THIS EVENING. AND TONIGHT WE WILL BE LED BY DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM LUCK. MA'AM. TIME. THERE IS NEVER ENOUGH OF IT. IT HEALS ALL WOUNDS. TIME IS MONEY, AND THERE'S NEVER ENOUGH OF THAT.
TIME IS SIGNIFICANT. DON'T WASTE IT. IT FILLS US WITH ANTICIPATION AND HEALS ALL WOUNDS. TIME IS FLEETING, AND WE'RE ALWAYS RUNNING OUT OF IT. TIME IS WHAT WE MAKE OF IT. AND WE ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO CAN ASSIGN VALUE TO IT. WE WON'T BE REMEMBERED FOR HOW MUCH TIME WE SPENT ON SOMETHING. RATHER, WE ARE REMEMBERED FOR WHAT WE SPENT OUR TIME DOING. USE TIME WITH INTENTION AND DON'T FORGET TO SMILE. AS TEDDY ROOSEVELT SAID, THE POOREST WAY TO FACE LIFE IS TO FACE LIFE WITH A SNEER. THANK YOU. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. WELL, GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. AND BEFORE WE GET STARTED, JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK NOTES. WE HAVE ONE OF THE ZONING CASES THAT IS SCHEDULED FOR THIS EVENING. ITEM SIX A, THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED A POSTPONEMENT, SO WE WILL NOT BE HEARING THAT CASE
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THIS EVENING. IF YOU ARE HERE FOR THAT. AND THEN WE DO HAVE SOME SPECIAL GUESTS WITH US RIGHT HERE ON THE FRONT ROW THIS EVENING. GENTLEMEN. STAND UP. DAN, CAN YOU GET A SHOT OF THE FRONT ROW FOR ME, PLEASE? WE'LL SEE. BUT THEY ARE HERE FROM WEBELOS PACK, 1978. THEY ARE HERE WITH US THIS EVENING. AND THEY ARE WORKING ON A SECTION CALLED MY COMMUNITY. SO THEY ARE HERE TO OBSERVE OUR MEETING. AND THEN IF WE'VE GOT A LITTLE TIME AFTERWARDS, THEY CAN THEY CAN TALK, ASK US SOME QUESTIONS. SO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE THIS EVENING. YOU CAN YOU CAN HAVE A SEAT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO STAND THE WHOLE TIME. SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED ON OUR[ CONSENT AGENDA All items under this section are recommended for approval by a single motion of Council, without discussion. Council has had the opportunity to review each of these items at a previous Work Session, and approval of the consent agenda authorizes the City Manager or his designee to execute each item. The Mayor will announce the consent agenda and provide an opportunity for members of the audience, as well as Council, to request that any item be removed and considered separately.]
AGENDA. THE FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS OUR CONSENT AGENDA. ALL ITEMS UNDER THIS SECTION ARE RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL BY A SINGLE MOTION OF COUNCIL WITHOUT DISCUSSION. COUNCIL HAS HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW EACH OF THESE ITEMS AT A PREVIOUS WORK SESSION, AND APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA AUTHORIZES THE CITY MANAGER OR HIS DESIGNEE TO EXECUTE EACH ITEM. I WILL ANNOUNCE THE CONSENT AGENDA AND PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE, AS WELL AS THE COUNCIL, TO REQUEST THAT ANY ITEMS BE REMOVED AND CONSIDERED SEPARATELY. I DO NOT HAVE ANY REQUESTS CURRENTLY, BUT LET ME READ THROUGH THE AGENDA ITEM ONE. APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE FEBRUARY 4TH, 2025 REGULAR MEETING AND THE JANUARY 22ND, 2025 JOINT MEETING WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION. ITEM TWO APPROVE THE FOLLOWING BIDS. ITEM TWO A RONALD E JONES MUNICIPAL BUILDING. AND THIS IS FOR FACILITY UPGRADES, NOT THE. WE ALREADY OWN THE BUILDING. WE'RE.THIS IS SOME THIS IS FOR SOME FACILITY UPGRADES. ITEM TWO B NORTH GARLAND BRANCH LIBRARY IMPROVEMENTS. ITEM TWO C SOUTH GARLAND BRANCH LIBRARY IMPROVEMENTS. ITEM TWO D PERIPHERAL EQUIPMENT FOR 2025 POLICE VEHICLES. ITEM TWO E EMS SUPPLIES. ITEM TWO F GP AND L EMERGENCY RESTORATION MANAGEMENT SERVICES. ITEM TWO G GFL GRAND FALLS TO KING MOUNTAIN 345 KV TRANSMISSION LINE ENGINEERING SERVICES. ITEM THREE 2024 EDWARD BYRNE MEMORIAL JUSTICE ASSISTANCE GRANT. AND ITEM FOUR AGREEMENT TO PURCHASE REAL PROPERTY NEAR LBJ AND SOUTH SHILOH ROAD. THAT IS THE CONSENT AGENDA. IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ANY OF THE ITEMS PULLED AND CONSIDERED SEPARATELY? SEEING NONE. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM. YES, SIR. I
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MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA AS PRESENTED. SORRY. I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED BY DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM LUCHT AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER DUTTON. SEEING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, MADAM SECRETARY, PREPARE THE VOTE FOR US, PLEASE. COUNCIL. AND DISPLAY THE VOTE. AND THAT ITEM IS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY. MOVING ON TO ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. MADAM SECRETARY, COULD YOU COVER THE SPEAKER GUIDELINES FOR US, PLEASE? YES, SIR. MAYOR. COUNCIL. OPPORTUNITY IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. THERE WE GO. THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK IS GIVEN TO PROVIDE TESTIMONY RATHER THAN TO QUESTION THE CITY COUNCIL OR STAFF. THE CHAIR MAY CALL A SPEAKER OUT OF ORDER IF THE SPEAKER PRESENTS QUESTIONS OR REQUESTS FOR INFORMATION THAT WILL UNDULY DELAY THE TRANSACTION OF BUSINESS AT THE MEETING. SPEAKER SHALL BE ALLOWED TO SPEAK ON A FIRST COME, FIRST TO SPEAK BASIS, AS DETERMINED BY THE ORDER IN WHICH THE CITY SECRETARY RECEIVES THE SPEAKER'S INFORMATION.APPLICANTS ARE ALLOWED TEN MINUTES FOR PRESENTATIONS, AND ALL OTHER SPEAKERS WILL BE ALLOWED THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. WHEN THE PODIUM BUZZER SOUNDS, THE SPEAKER MUST END THEIR COMMENTS. VERY GOOD. AND DO WE HAVE SPEAKERS LINED UP FOR THE ITEMS THIS EVENING? WE HAVE SOME
[5. Hold public hearing(s) on:]
APPLICANTS HERE THAT ARE AVAILABLE FOR COMMENTS. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.FIRST ITEM UNDER THIS SECTION, ITEM FIVE IS FIVE A CONSIDER APPROVAL OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE TIF NUMBER THREE PROJECT AND FINANCIAL FINANCING PLAN. WE WILL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS ITEM. IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND LOOK FOR A MOTION. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM. MAYOR I MOTION TO APPROVE FIVE A AS PRESENTED. I HAVE A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM LUCK, AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER BASS TO APPROVE ITEM FIVE A AS PRESENTED. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE.
MADAM SECRETARY, FOR THE VOTE FOR US, PLEASE. COUNCIL. AND DISPLAY THE VOTE. AND THAT ITEM
[6. Hold public hearing(s) on the following Zoning Case(s):]
IS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY. MOVING ON TO ITEM SIX. HOLD PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THE FOLLOWING ZONING CASES. AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, ITEM SIX A THE APPLICANT HAS ASKED FOR A POSTPONEMENT TO OUR APRIL 1ST MEETING. COUNCIL MEMBER HENDRICKS IN YOUR DISTRICT, SIR. THANK YOU. MAYOR.I MOVE TO POSTPONE THIS ITEM UNTIL THE APRIL 1ST MEETING. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER HEDRICK AND A SECOND BY DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM LUKE TO POSTPONE THIS ITEM TO OUR MAY. OUR APRIL 1ST, 2025 MEETING. MADAM SECRETARY, IF YOU PREPARE THE VOTE FOR US, PLEASE. COUNCIL.
COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS. YES. I'M NOT GOING. FOLLOW UP ON THAT AND DISPLAY THE VOTE. THEN THAT POSTPONEMENT IS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY. MOVING ON TO ITEM SIX. B CONSIDER A REQUEST BY LATRON THOMAS PROPOSING A SPECIFIC USE PROVISION FOR A USED GOODS RETAIL SALES INDOORS USE. THIS SITE IS LOCATED AT 3338 BROADWAY BOULEVARD, SUITE 314, IN DISTRICT THREE. THANK YOU. MAYOR. THANK YOU. AS YOU MENTIONED, THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A SPECIFIC USE PROVISION FOR USE GOODS, RETAIL SALES INDOOR. WE SOMETIMES ALSO CALL IT THRIFT STORES. THIS IS A PROPERTY ZONED COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT. AND IN OUR DISTRICT THIS PARTICULAR USE REQUIRES AN SUP, WHICH IS WHY YOU HAVE THIS CASE IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY. THIS SITE IS LOCATED IN. DISTRICT THREE. THE APPLICANT, AS YOU MENTIONED, THOMAS. THIS THE LEASE AREA. THIS IS AN EXISTING SHOPPING CENTER. AND THE SWEET THE LEASE AREA FOR THIS REQUEST IS ABOUT 6536FT■S. AND AS I MENTIONED, TE ZONING ON THIS PROPERTY IS COMMUNITY RETAIL. HERE YOU CAN SEE THE ZONING MAP. THIS PROPERTY IS GENERALLY SURROUNDED BY OTHER CR ZONING DISTRICT. BUT TO THE NORTHEAST WE HAVE A PD
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WITH SOME RESIDENTIAL USES. TO THE NORTH WEST WE HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICES AND TO THE TO FURTHER TO THE SOUTH WE HAVE SF SEVEN AS WELL. HERE WE HAVE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THIS AREA IS DESIGNATED AS NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES. JUST A REMINDER, NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE A MIX OF RETAIL SERVICES, MORE COMMUNITY GATHERING PLACES, SERVICES THAT CAN BRING THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER. SO THIS AREA IS DESIGNATED AS SUCH. HERE WE HAVE THE SITE PHOTOS, THE PHOTO THAT YOU SEE THAT SHOWS THE SIGN FOR A THRIFT STORE THAT'S FROM THE PREVIOUS BUSINESS. SO THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS BUSINESS IS FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND. BUT THEY ARE COMING IN TO REQUEST FOR A THRIFT STORE, USED GOODS, RETAIL, INDOOR SALES. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT BECAUSE IT SHOWS THAT ON THE SITE PHOTO.WE DO SEE THE SUBJECT SITE LOOKING EAST FROM BROADWAY BOULEVARD, JUST DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS AND KIND OF VIEW FROM SUBJECT SIDE LOOKING NORTH AND SOUTH FROM BROADWAY BOULEVARD.
HERE WE HAVE THE CONCEPT PLAN AGAIN. IT'S AN ALREADY DEVELOPED SHOPPING CENTER. THE SUITE THAT THEY ARE REQUESTING TO BE AT IS 314 THAT IS HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE. IN THIS IN THIS CONCEPT PLAN, THE APPLICANT'S INITIAL REQUEST WAS 20 YEARS. THE SUP GUIDELINE RECOMMENDED A RANGE OF 20 TO 25 YEARS. THE PLAN COMMISSION RECOMMENDED A FIVE YEAR PERIOD FOR THIS SUP. WHEN STAFF ANALYZED THE CASE, WE LOOKED AT THE. WE LOOKED AT THE AREA AND WE BELIEVE THAT THIS AREA HAS THE POTENTIAL TO ATTRACT A LOT MORE VIBRANT, DESIRED USES THAT CAN BRING IN THE PLACEMAKING ASPECT IN IN GARLAND AND ALSO IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES DESIGNATION. WE REALLY DON'T THINK THIS TYPE OF USE REALLY JUSTIFIED THAT VISION THAT WE ALREADY HAVE ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH IS WHY OUR RECOMMENDATIONS DENIAL. AS MENTIONED, PLAN COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL, BUT FOR FIVE YEARS AND THEY HAD ASKED THE APPLICANT AND THEY WERE OKAY WITH THE FIVE YEAR TIME PERIOD. THE RESPONSE LETTERS WERE SENT OUT TO YOU. WE I'M BLANKING ON WHAT THE EXACT NUMBERS. I THINK WE GOT LESS THAN TEN. THERE WERE A COUPLE THAT WERE IN FAVOR. I THINK THERE WERE TWO IN FAVOR AND ONE IN OPPOSITION. BUT NOT REALLY THAT SUBSTANTIAL. WITH THAT, I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. WE DO HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE AS WELL. OKAY. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THEM OKAY. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM. NO. OKAY. GOOD. YEP. OKAY. I WAS LIKE, I'M JUST WAITING FOR YOUR NAME TO POP UP.
MAYOR PRO TEM MORE. OKAY. I NEED YOU TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT MORE. WE HAVE A STAFF RECOMMENDING NON-APPROVAL. AND THIS IS SPECIFICALLY FOR THE SUP. CORRECT? CORRECT. AND WE HAVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTING. YES. STAFF BELIEVE THERE IS A MUCH MORE DESIRABLE USE FOR THE PROPERTY, SO WE DON'T PUT THEM OUT OF BUSINESS. WHAT WE DO, THOUGH, IS IF WE DISAPPROVE THIS TONIGHT, WHAT WHAT WHAT HOW DOES THE BUSINESS PROCEED? THEY CANNOT PROCEED AS A USED GOOD RETAIL INDOOR USE. OKAY. DO THEY PROCEED AT ALL? NOT FOR THIS. THIS USE. NO USE. SO IN ACTUALITY, WE ARE THEN SAYING THAT THEY'RE OUT OF BUSINESS PRETTY MUCH. IF IN FACT, WE DISAPPROVE. I'M NOT SAYING THAT. I'M SAYING THIS AREA CAN TRACK MUCH MORE BETTER USES. SO THIS USE, WE DON'T THINK THIS IS THE MOST DESIRABLE USE FOR THIS SITE. AND THE REASON THAT WE FEEL THIS IS BECAUSE WE AS A AS A BOARD, WE AS A COUNCIL ARE THE ONES WHO HAVE IN FACT PUT THIS ZONING IN PLACE. CORRECT? THE ZONING IS IN PLACE, WHICH REQUIRES AN SUP FOR THIS USE.
THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. OKAY. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? I SEE NONE, THANK YOU. AND COUNCIL, I DO BELIEVE WE HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE. IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. COUNSELOR DUTTON IS YOUR QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. OKAY. HAVE YOU COME FORWARD,
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PLEASE? AND IF I CAN GET YOU TO GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, IF YOU HAVE IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO, IF YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION OR ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO EXPLAIN TO US BEFORE WE GET TO QUESTIONS. THAT IS YOUR TIME. OKAY. WELL GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. MY NAME IS LEE THOMAS. THE ADDRESS IS 3338 BROADWAY BOULEVARD, GARLAND, TEXAS. SUITE NUMBER 314. AND I'M GOING TO ASK YOU IF YOU CAN PULL THAT MICROPHONE A LITTLE CLOSER TO YOU THERE. OKAY. IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT BEFORE WE MOVE TO QUESTIONS? I WOULD HAVE YEAH, I WOULD HAVE AN EXPLANATION. CURRENTLY. WELL, PRIOR TO ME GETTING THE BUILDING, IT WAS A THRIFT STORE. AND I THINK THE PAST THREE YEARS AGO THEY ZONED IT AND, AND I UNDERSTAND THE CITY AND THE DIRECTION THAT THEY WANT TO GO IN AS IT RELATES TO RETAIL. BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IS FOR THIS SPECIFIC USE PERMIT, I BELIEVE THAT MY THRIFT STORE IS THE SAKS FIFTH AVENUE OF THRIFT STORES. YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN. BUT ALONGSIDE THAT, WE DO GIVE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY. WE HAVE A SCHOOL ACROSS THE STREET. WE HAVE STUDENTS THAT WORKS, THAT WORKS THERE, THAT I WORK WITH, TEACH THEM FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITIES. ALLOWED THEM TO GET EXTRA CREDITS FOR, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY WORK AND ALL THAT. AND SO I FEEL LIKE IT WOULD BE GREAT FOR THE COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF BRINGING EVERYBODY TOGETHER, BECAUSE AS A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT WE DO IS NOT JUST A RETAIL STORE, YOU KNOW, BUT THE INTEGRITY OF, OF, OF THE STORE AND THE THRIFTING, IT STILL WOULD BE INTACT BECAUSE IT'S JUST ON THAT PARTICULAR LEVEL, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO TELL THE DIFFERENCE ACTUALLY, ACTUALLY BETTER THAN SOME OF THE REGULAR RETAIL STORES. OKAY. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL MOVE TO QUESTIONS.COUNCILMEMBER DUTTON. SO I GUESS YOU PRETTY MUCH ANSWERED WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU. I JUST WANTED YOU TO COME AND SELL YOURSELF TO US. LIKE YOU SAID, IT HAD BEEN A THRIFT STORE, AND THEN IT CHANGED. IT WASN'T. SO I LOVE THAT YOU WANT TO INCORPORATE THIS SCHOOL AND BUILD THAT RELATIONSHIP. I THINK THAT'S PHENOMENAL. THAT AREA DEFINITELY NEEDS SOME BIG BROTHER, BIG SISTER TYPE OF LOVE GOING ON OVER THERE. SO I THINK THAT THAT, THAT THAT HOLDS A LOT ON ITS OWN. SO I APPRECIATE IT AND THANK YOU. GOOD LUCK ON ALL OF YOUR ENDEAVORS. THANK YOU.
APPRECIATE IT. OKAY. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM LUCK. HI, SIR. THANK YOU FOR COMING. DO YOU HAVE OTHER LOCATIONS LIKE THIS IN OTHER PLACES? NO, MA'AM. THIS IS. THIS IS THE ONLY LOCATION.
FIRST LOCATION. PRIOR TO, WE WERE DOING FLEA MARKET ON PROPERTIES. BUT TEXAS WEATHER WOULD NOT ALLOW YOU TO KEEP YOURSELF OUT FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME. SO WE DECIDED ME AND MY WIFE AND I DECIDED TO TAKE IT ON THE INSIDE, YOU KNOW, AND SO SEEING HER WORK ON THE WEEKENDS AND JUST SWEATING AND SO BAD AND OF COURSE, I'M A FULL TIME EMPLOYEE AS WELL. INVESTIGATOR, BUT IT WAS IT WAS NECESSARY TO FIND A BUILDING TO GO ON THE INSIDE AND CONTINUE, YOU KNOW, OUR GOAL TO BRING THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER AND OUTREACH. THAT'S MAINLY WHAT WHAT'S WHAT'S ABOUT IT JUST CREATES A PLATFORM FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO DO MORE FOR THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING SIR. GOOD EVENING. AT THIS LOCATION, CAN YOU TELL ME WHY YOU THINK THIS LOCATION IS THE BEST LOCATION FOR YOUR BUSINESS? WELL, I THINK THAT MY LOCATION WITH THE LOCATION IS THE BEST LOCATION. BECAUSE THERE'S A SCHOOL THAT'S DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET. AGAIN, WE ADVOCATE FOR NOT ONLY STUDENTS, BUT MENTAL HEALTH. MATTER OF FACT, WE HAD SOME STUDENTS FROM JOB CORPS THAT GRADUATED WITHIN THE PAST TWO MONTHS, AND THEN THEY WERE ABLE TO GO AND TRANSITION FROM THERE INTO THEIR OWN APARTMENT WITHOUT HAVING TO WORRY ABOUT ANY TYPE OF FURNITURE OR ANY TYPE OF THINGS LIKE THAT. AND ON THE BACKSIDE, THERE'S A SENIOR LIVING PLACE, AND IT'S A PLACE THAT THEY EVEN COME IN. AND OF COURSE, THEY, THEY, THEY GET UPSET BECAUSE THEY SAY, OH, EVERYTHING IS BRAND NEW. WE WANT A THRIFT STORE. AND THESE ARE THE SENIORS THAT ARE REQUESTING. AND THEY
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WALK AROUND AND THEY SEE WHAT WE HAVE IN THE BACK THAT WE CAN'T, ANTIQUES AND VINTAGE ITEMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THAT'S WHAT THE WORLD IS, IS LOOKING FOR NOW. IT USED TO BE, YOU KNOW, FOR THE POOR PEOPLE, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE ANTIQUES, A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE VINTAGE. AND IT JUST IT JUST CREATED AN ATMOSPHERE WHERE PEOPLE CAN COME IN AND CLEAR THEIR MIND AND NOT HAVE TO BREAK THEIR POCKETS TRYING TO AFFORD SOME NICE THINGS. AND THAT'S WHAT WE DO.THAT'S THE THAT'S THE MAIN THING. LIKE I SAID, SAKS FIFTH AVENUE OFF OF THRIFT STORES, BUT A REALLY, REALLY GOOD PRICE SO PEOPLE CAN COME IN AND BE HAPPY AND, AND FOR MYSELF, I MEAN, THE REASON WHY I GOT INTO THIS IS BECAUSE WHEN I WORKED MANY HOURS, THE ONLY THING THAT I CAN THINK ABOUT WHEN I GET OFF IS TO WALK TO A THRIFT STORE, TO CLEAR MY MIND, TO LOOK AT KNICKKNACKS AND, AND THINGS OF THAT. AND SO I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT FOR THE AREA ON THE, ON THE FARTHER END, THERE'S A PLASMA CENTER THAT THAT PEOPLE WALK. AND THEY JUST WENT THROUGH THERE AND THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THINGS TRYING TO GET MONEY, BUT TO BE ABLE TO STOP BY, AND ME BEING A RETIRED PASTOR, TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK INTO THOSE PEOPLE AND GIVE THEM COURAGE TO CONTINUE ON, YOU KNOW, I, YOU KNOW, I'M A I'M A COUNTRY BOY. IF I CAN DO IT, ANYBODY CAN DO IT. OKAY. YOU AND I ARE HERE, OR WE'RE HEARING A LITTLE DIFFERENT. TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. I'M NOT. I'M HEARING SORT OF THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT YOU'RE GETTING FROM YOUR. FROM YOUR CONSTITUENTS. I'M HEARING SOMETHING. DIFFERENT. HIGHEST AND BEST USE IS WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR. FOR THE SOUTH GARLAND AREA.
YES. HIGHEST AND BEST USE. DO YOU. DO YOU KNOW WHERE THE NEAREST THRIFT STORE WOULD BE TO THIS PROXIMITY STORE? WHERE IS IT LOCATED? YEAH, THE NEAREST THRIFT STORE IS APPROXIMATELY ABOUT 200FT. OKAY. SO HOW DO YO. IF WE REGRET THIS LOCATION, HOW DOES THAT AFFECT YOU AT YOUR STORE? ANOTHER STORE? 200FT. AND THERE'S ANOTHER STORE DOWN, DOWN THE ROAD. HOW WOULD THAT IMPACT YOUR BUSINESS? IT WOULDN'T IMPACT MY BUSINESS AT ALL, BECAUSE I HAVE A BLUEPRINT THAT IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT FROM ANY OTHER THRIFT STORE. IT'S CLEAN LINES, IT'S CLEAN. IT'S NEW THINGS. IT'S THE TOP THINGS, THE FRESH THINGS. IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT JUNK. I'M TOTALLY DIFFERENT FROM ANY OTHER THRIFT STORE, PERIOD. IF YOU DIDN'T, IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW THAT IT WAS A THRIFT STORE, YOU WOULD THINK IT WAS A REGULAR RETAIL STORE. OKAY. AND SO IT WOULDN'T. SO IT WOULDN'T IT WOULDN'T IMPACT ME AT ALL. I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, IT'S I FEEL LIKE IT'S ENOUGH MONEY TO GO AROUND IN TERMS OF, OF PEOPLE SHOPPING BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT ITEMS THAT THEY LOOK FOR WHEN THEY GO TO A THRIFT STORE. I'VE GONE AND I'VE VISITED OTHER THRIFT STORES, AND I SEE THE THINGS AND THE ITEMS THAT THEY HAVE. AND THEN I GO AND I LOOK FOR THE ITEMS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE. AND SO WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO THAT, I'VE DONE MY RESEARCH ON ON THE OTHER ONES AND I, THE THINGS THAT I CARRY, THEY DON'T EVEN CARRY. WELL, A LOT OF THINGS THAT THEY DON'T CARRY AT ALL. OKAY. MY FINAL QUESTION IS YOU'RE AWARE OF THE RECOMMENDATION FROM PLANNING COMMISSION AND RATE. YEAH. YES I AM. AND YOU'RE AWARE OF STAFF RECOMMENDATION? YES I AM. RIGHT.
HOWEVER, THEY THEY DID AGREE WITH. WELL THEY THEY VOTED UNANIMOUSLY. UNANIMOUSLY AFTER THE, AFTER THE FACT, AFTER OUR LAST MEETING. AND THEY WERE IN AGREEMENT WITH IT. THEY SAID THEY WERE EXCITED ABOUT IT. AND THE CHAIRMAN, I BELIEVE, SAID HE HAD ACTUALLY DROVE BY AND SEEN HOW NICE IT WAS. BUT THERE'S A PLANNING COMMISSION. THE PLANNING STAFF HAS A DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATION. OKAY. SO WHAT'S YOUR WHAT'S YOUR FEELING ABOUT THAT? YOU'VE HAD TWO RECOMMENDATIONS. I MEAN I MEAN, I'M NOT HAPPY ABOUT IT. HOWEVER, IF WE'RE MOVING FROM A 20 TO 30 YEAR SNP, I AGREE THAT A FIVE YEAR. JUST GIVE ME A CHANCE AND I'LL SHOW YOU HOW MUCH LIFE IS BROUGHT INTO THAT PARTICULAR AREA. OKAY. WELL, I'LL TELL YOU, I'M STILL STILL THINKING ABOUT THIS, AND I'M TORN BETWEEN BECAUSE I'M I'M COMMITTED TO THE CITIZENS OF SOUTH GARLAND, AND
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THEY'VE BEEN SAYING YOU WANT THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE, PARTICULARLY IN RETAIL DISTRICTS. SO I'LL LISTEN TO WHATEVER ELSE YOU HAVE TO SAY. AND I APPRECIATE YOU COMING DOWN TONIGHT. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. DO YOU WANT. AND HANG ON, COUNCILMEMBER BASS.THANK YOU. APPRECIATE YOU COMING OUT TODAY. THANK YOU. YEAH. WHAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER IS LAND USE.
AND, YOU KNOW, THIS HAS BEEN THIS IS ZONED COMMUNITY RETAIL. IT IS, AS STAFF SAYS, NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. NOT CONSIDERED HIGHEST AND BEST USE FOR SURROUNDING AREA. AND I JUST I DON'T KNOW. I GUESS FOR ME, I'D JUST I THINK I'D HAVE TO AGREE WITH STAFF THAT THIS IS NOT THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE. AND IT DOESN'T IT'S NOT YOU KNOW, I KNOW YOU MENTIONED COMMUNITY AND THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO TALK TO YOU, RIGHT? YOU MENTIONED COMMUNITY.
AND THAT'S ABSOLUTELY WHAT WE HAVE TO WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT TOO, RIGHT. WHAT IS THE BEST THING FOR THE CITIZENS OF GARLAND AND FOR A PROPERTY'S HIGHEST AND BEST USE? WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT LAND USE. AND, YOU KNOW, I JUST I DON'T FEEL THAT THIS LAND USE. IS THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE FOR THIS PROPERTY, AND I DON'T THINK IT IS WHAT IS REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT OUR CITIZENS WANT IN THAT AREA. SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, YOU ARE NOT CURRENTLY OPERATING OUT OF THAT SPACE. NO, I'M I'M SELLING NEW STUFF. RIGHT. SO THE STORE THAT WAS THERE OR PREVIOUSLY THERE WAS NOT YOU. IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY. JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT. ALL RIGHT. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
BEFORE I MOVE IT TO MAYOR PRO TEM MOORE. NO. MAYOR PRO TEM. THANK YOU. MAYOR. HANG ON. HOLD ON ONE SECOND. STAFF. SINCE THERE WERE SOM QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PREVIOUS TENANT AND THE FACT THAT THERE IS A SIGN THAT SAYS THRIFT STORE, WE LOOKED UP THAT CEO AND THAT CEO WAS FOR A RETAIL STORE. ALTHOUGH THE NAME OF THE STORE WAS THRIFT STORE. NOW, WE DIDN'T GET INTO THE GET INTO THAT DISCUSSION ABOUT WHY WAS ISSUED AND WHAT WAS THE BACKGROUND ON THAT. BUT A THRIFT STORE USE OR USED GOOD RETAIL OR USED GOOD RETAIL INDOOR, THAT WASN'T THE USE THAT WAS ON THE CEO FOR THE PREVIOUS BUSINESS. I JUST WANTED TO PUT IT OUT THERE. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. GO AHEAD SIR. YOU HAVE REALLY BROUGHT US TO A SOLOMON MOMENT, AND THAT IS WHERE WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION AS IT RELATES TO TWO THINGS. THE TWO THINGS THAT I'VE HEARD SO FAR ARE. I REALLY APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU WANT TO BE EMPATHETIC, THAT YOU WANT TO BE SYMPATHETIC, AND THAT YOU WANT TO MINISTER IN THE COMMUNITY. WE SHARE THOSE VALUES. I HAVE A PASSION FOR THAT. HOWEVER, YOU'RE DEALING WITH A BUSINESS, AND THAT BUSINESS AS IT RELATES TO OUR ZONING RULES AND REGULATIONS. DO NOT MEET THE STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN SET. IT IS NOT, IN FACT, THE BEST LAND USE. I WANT TO STOP THERE. DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING THERE? I DO, BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION. PLEASE. I CONTINUE TO HEAR IT'S NOT THE BEST USE. SO WHAT WOULD BE THE IDEAL USE FOR THAT IN TERMS OF I MEAN, BECAUSE IT'S STILL RETAIL. WELL IT'S SPECIFIED PRETTY MUCH. I THINK IT'S VERY WELL SPECIFIED BECAUSE YOU ARE, TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, TALKING ABOUT A THRIFT SHOP. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE HAVE IT THERE. WE REALLY DON'T WANT ANOTHER THRIFT SHOP IN THAT AREA. AND ONE OF THE SITUATIONS THAT WE HAVE TO FACE IS WE'RE ATTEMPTING TO BRING A LITTLE MORE UPSCALE VALUE TO THAT AREA. A AND WHAT MEAN BY THAT IS THRIFT SHOPS RIGHT NOW WOULD NOT FIT. IT JUST WOULDN'T FIT. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, AGAIN, I'M NOT EVEN DEALING WITH THAT PIECE. I'M DEALING WITH WHAT YOU YOURSELF HAVE STATED, HOW YOU HAVE HOW YOU HAVE ATTEMPTED TO PUT FORTH YOUR ARGUMENT. YOUR ARGUMENT HAS VERY LITTLE TO DO WITH THE BUSINESS,
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AND MORE TO DO WHAT YOU'RE DOING IN THE WAY OF A MINISTRY, SO TO SPEAK. AND FOR THAT REASON, MR. MAYOR, I HAVE TO VOTE FOR DISAPPROVAL. OKAY. YOUR MOTION. MOTION IS TO DISAPPROVE. YOUR MOTION WOULD BE TO DENY. DENY? YES. AND FOR THAT REASON, I HAVE TO VOTE. TO DENY. THANK YOU.OKAY. OKAY, SO I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY. YOUR MOTION IS TO DENY. AND I HAVE A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER BASS. OH. HANG ON. SORRY. I'VE GOT SOMEBODY ELSE IN THE QUEUEEAL QUICK HERE. HOLD ON ONE SECOND. COUNCILMEMBER HEDRICK. THANK YOU. MAYOR. FOR ME, THIS QUESTION COMES DOWN TO THE TIME PERIOD INVOLVED. THE PLANNING COMMISSION SAID, LET'S GO WITH A FIVE YEAR PERIOD HERE TO LOOK AT THIS USE. SO THAT TO ME MEANS OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, IS THERE GOING TO BE A BETTER OR HIGHER USE THAT WAS GOING TO COME TO THIS SITE, OR IS IT GOING TO SIT VACANT OVER THAT TIME IN THAT SAME COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT? THE GENTLEMAN MENTIONED A PLASMA DONATION CENTER THAT'S ALLOWED BY RIGHT. A CONVENIENCE STORE IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT. A RETAIL STORE IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT. AN ANTIQUE SHOP IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT. SO SELLING USED FURNITURE BUT NOT USED CLOTHES IS OKAY. SO TO ME IT COMES DOWN TO IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, ARE WE GOING TO SEE THE DEVELOPMENT THERE? T THAT'S GOING TO BE A HIGHER AND BETTER USE THAN A VACANT BUILDING, A BANK, AN EMPTY RENTAL SPACE, LEASING SPACE THERE? SO I THINK THAT THAT IS GOING TO DRIVE MY DECISION. SO THANK YOU, MAYOR. ALL RIGHT. HOLD ON. I GOT A LOT GOING ON HERE ALL OF A SUDDEN.
I'M SORRY, SIR. WE. DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD, OR IF I DON'T MIND, I'M GOING TO NEED TO GET A SPEAKER CARD FROM YOU BEFORE YOU LEAVE. GIVING YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. YES, MY NAME IS KEVIN FAN. I REPRESENT THE LANDLORD. ADDRESS IS GOING TO BE 3616. DELETE DRIVE. OKAY. THANK YOU. LATRON SPOKE IN A MORE ETHOS POSITION. I CAN REPRESENT HIM IN MORE OF A BUSINESS STANDPOINT. LIKE MR. HENDRICK WAS MENTIONING ABOUT BEING A VACANT SPOT. I MANAGED THIS PROPERTY FOR TWO YEARS NOW AND WORKING WITH THE LANDLORD. I KNOW THAT BEFORE LATRON CAME IN, THE SPACE HAS BEEN VACANT FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW. USUALLY WHEN A VACANT SPACE IS FAIRLY LARGE, THIS ONE IS ABOUT OVER 6000FT■S. IT'S HARD FOR TENANTS TO BE ABLE TO INVEST THEIR BUSINESS INTO A FAIRLY LARGE SPACE, AND LUCKILY WE HAVE SOMEONE LIKE MR. LATRON THAT'S ABLE TO INVEST HIS MONEY, HIS IDEAS INTO THIS SPACE, AND ESPECIALLY IN GARLAND THAT I KNOW. I JOINED A MEETING WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM WANTS TO IMPROVE GARLAND, AND I JUST BELIEVE THAT A VACANT SPACE WOULDN'T IMPROVE BRINGING PEOPLE IN, BRINGING PROFIT IN FOR GARLAND OR ANY OF THAT COMPARED TO A FIVE YEAR LEASE WITH MR. LATRON AND BEING ABLE TO MAYBE PROSPER AND BRING IN REVENUE FOR THE CITY OF GARLAND, AS WELL AS BRINGING ATTRACTION AND EVEN HELPING THE COMMUNITY ALL AT THE SAME TIME. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND I, LIKE I SAID, BEFORE YOU LEAVE, GIVE ME A SPEAKER CARD. YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO CIRCLE BACK AROUND HERE.
DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM LUCK, SIR. DO YOU PROVIDE TENANT IMPROVEMENT REIMBURSEMENTS TO YOUR TENANTS THAT MAKE IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN YOUR PROPERTY? SO USUALLY THIS LANDLORD, HE HELPS OUT IN OTHER WAYS, AS IN GIVING FREE MONTHS OF RENT OR PAYING PARTIAL OF THE RENT TO HELP TENANTS THAT ARE STRUGGLING. YES, MA'AM. SO THERE THERE REALLY IS NO INCENTIVE FOR THE TENANT TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS BEFORE THEY MOVE IN, BECAUSE THEY WON'T NECESSARILY BE REIMBURSED MONETARILY. WE IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE DEAL MAINLY. I KNOW THAT THIS LANDLORD CAN PROVIDE, BUT USUALLY HE PROVIDES IN OTHER WAYS TO HELP THE TENANT OUT IN IMPROVING THE SPACE. MY ARGUMENT IS THAT IF IT IS VACANT AND WE'VE COME ACROSS THIS IN OTHER ZONING CASES AS WELL, LIKE ON 635 AND GARLAND, WHERE THERE'S A NEW CAR DEALERSHIP THAT WANTS TO BRING IN USED VEHICLES. WELL, THE ARGUMENT WAS LET THEM TRY TO STAY ALIVE WITH USED CARS. THE POINT IS NOT THAT WE DON'T WANT THE. THE POINT IS THAT WE DON'T WANT USED CAR SALES THERE. THAT'S THE POINT.
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AND I THINK WITH THE LAND USE MATRIX THAT IS OVER THIS, THIS SHOPPING CENTER, IT WAS CHANGED FOR A REASON AND CERTAIN THINGS WERE LEFT OUT OF THAT ZONING FOR A REASON. AND JUST LIKE WITH THE USED CARS, USED CLOTHING SALES WAS LEFT OUT AS WELL. SO I TEND TO DEFER TO COUNCILMAN BASS AND AGREE WITH HIM ON THIS. JUST BECAUSE YEARS AGO IT WAS REZONING. IS THAT WHAT I HEARD? STEP NO. IS THERE ANYTHING. YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I WAS TALKING. OKAY. SO I, I DON'T KNOW I THINK THAT GOING BACKWARDS IS THE WRONG DIRECTION TO GO. YEAH. CAN I THINK IT WOULD LOOK BETTER THAN IT DID BEFORE BECAUSE I. OKAY. I HAVE A CHANDELIER HANGING IN THERE. IT LOOKS REALLY JUST LIKE A. I WOULD HAVE LOVED TO HAVE SEEN THOSE PICTURES. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON FROM THAT. IS. AND COUNCILMEMBER DUTTON. I JUST HAD A QUESTION FOR STAFF. SO LOOKING AT THE SHOPPING STRIP, THERE'S A YO YOS RESALE THAT'S A COUPLE DOORS DOWN FROM THIS SITE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW. DO WE KNOW HOW LONG THE SHOP CURRENTLY IS FOR THAT LOCATION? I DO NOT KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. NO. I DON'T, I DON'T I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT. I MEAN, I GUESS IF THERE'S ONE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO IT AND THEY'VE GOT A TEN YEAR LEFT ON THE S U P, THEN WE'RE NOT JUST GOING TO TURN EVERYTHING AROUND WITH A FIVE YEARS. IS IT GOING TO MAKE OR BREAK SOMETHING IF IT'S ALREADY IN EXISTENCE RIGHT THERE. SO. I JUST THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING TO KIND OF KEEP IN MIND IS WHAT'S ALREADY THERE IN EXISTENCE. AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A YO YOS RESALE AND WHAT THE TROLL HAS GOT, WHERE THAT DIFFERENCE IS. BUT I DON'T KNOW. WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CEO FOR THE YO YO TO SEE WHAT THE SEE. I MEAN, THAT'S THE NAME OF THE BUSINESS, BUT WHAT THEY'RE REALLY DOING THAT'S IDENTIFIED IN THEIR CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. SO I JUST DON'T I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION RIGHT NOW. BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING AGAIN, WHAT'S EXISTING VERSUS WHAT'S PROPOSED THAT MAKES ALL THE DIFFERENCE. THAT'S WHY STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL. IF WE CONTINUING, IF WE CONTINUE TO ALLOW USES THAT WE DON'T ENVISION THERE TO BE, THEN WE MAY IT MAY BE MORE CHALLENGING TO MOVE FORWARD TO ACHIEVE THE VISION. THAT'S WHERE STAFF IS COMING FROM. BUT I CAN TRY TO LOOK UP THE SUP, BUT I DON'T THINK I'LL BE ABLE TO LOOK UP THE CEO RIGHT NOW. LET ME TRY THOUGH. OKAY. COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS, PRETTY. LIVES IN MY.YES, SIR. YEAH. YES, SIR. ARE YOU THE OWNER OR YOU MANAGE THIS PROPERTY? YES, I REPRESENT THE LANDLORD. THE LANDLORD IS NOT HERE, RIGHT? NO, SIR. HE'S NOT THE LANDLORD. AND I PROBABLY THE CITY ATTORNEY, PROBABLY SLAPPED ME ON THIS ONE. BUT IS. IS THE LANDLORD IN GARLAND? NO, SIR.
THAT'S OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I KNEW HE HE. I FORGOT THE QUESTION. THAT. PRIOR TO THIS, THIS GENTLEMAN ENGAGING IN THIS BUSINESS, WHAT WAS WHAT WAS WHAT WAS LOCATED IN THE SPOT. SO WHEN I STARTED WORKING HERE, WHICH TWO YEARS AGO, IT WAS ALREADY VACANT. SO I. I'M NOT SURE WHAT WAS IN THE SPOT BEFORE. YES, IT WAS VACANT. RIGHT. YES, SIR. IT WAS VACANT WHEN I GOT INTO THIS JOB. HOW LONG BEFORE THAT? WAS IT VACANT? DO YOU KNOW? NO, SIR. I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT YEAR. YOU KNOW. IT WAS. IT WAS VACANT FOR FIVE YEARS PRIOR TO ME COMING IN LAST. LAST YEAR. SO THAT MAKES IT. IT WAS A THRIFT STORE PRIOR. YEAH. SO THAT MAKES IT TOTAL OF HOW MANY YEARS IT'S BEEN MAKING.
PROBABLY ABOUT 6 OR 7 YEARS. YES. IF I HADN'T WENT, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN SET BACK. BACK. OKAY.
AND SO THAT'S ABOUT SEVEN YEARS RIGHT. I MEAN, IF YOU'RE GOING TO ANSWER STEP UP TO THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE. YES, SIR. RIGHT. IT'S COMING UP ON IT WOULD BE SEVEN YEARS BECAUSE I WOULD BE BEEN THERE A YEAR IN I THINK JULY. IT WOULD BE A YEAR IN JULY THAT I'VE BEEN WORKING
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TO GET THE PLACE UP, UP AND RUNNING. OKAY. AND, SIR, ONE LAST QUESTION FOR YOU. YES, SIR.WOULD YOU RESTATE FOR ME, I THINK DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT THE INCENTIVES FOR PROPERTY REHABILITATION. YOU SAID YOUR PROPERTY. I THINK THE CITY ATTORNEY'S ABOUT TO STEP IN, BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY OUTSIDE OF OUR PURVIEW FOR ZONING. WOULD YOU RESTATE WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT THAT? CAN I WOULD ASK THAT WE WITHDRAW THAT QUESTION BECAUSE THAT REALLY IS NOT ABOUT THE LAND USE. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. FINANCIAL INCENTIVES FOR THE BUSINESS. LET ME PUT IT THIS WAY. LET ME ASK YOU ANOTHER ONE. OKAY. THE BUILDING, THE PROPERT.
THAT'S ABOUT 200FT AWAY. YOU KNOW THE NAME OF IT. IT'S CALLED A SECOND HAND. AND THEY SELL THEIR THRIFT STORE THERE. THEY ARE A THRIFT STORE. THEY'RE A THRIFT STORE. THEY'RE LIKE A ACROSS THE STREET. OKAY. AND IS THERE ANOTHER. THERE'S ANOTHER IN THAT AREA. RIGHT. AND THAT.
THAT'S THE ONLY ONE. THEN THERE'S ANOTHER ONE, I BELIEVE. I MET THEM. THEY REZONE MAYBE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO FOR THE DOWN BROADWAY TOWARDS 30. OKAY. OKAY. SO THAT'S THE ONLY. THAT WAS THE ONLY. AND I THINK I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M COMMUNICATING WITH YOU, THAT YOU UNDERSTAND WHEN I TALK ABOUT HIGHEST AND BEST USE. THAT BUSINESS. THIS ONE IS IT WAS ZONED BECAUSE WE WANTED TO BRING HIGHER QUALITY TO THE SOUTH GOLDEN CORRIDOR, AND WE STILL DO. AND THAT THAT'S THAT'S WHERE I'M STUCK. I WANT AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU AS A BUSINESSMAN. I KNOW A LITTLE SOMETHING ABOUT YOU IS TOP QUALITY. YES YES, YES. BUT BUT BUT I ABLE TO SHOW PICTURES. NO I DON'T I DON'T NEED TO SEE PICTURES. YOU KNOW, I MEAN SHE, I REMEMBER SHE MISS MISS LEITCH HAD SAID SHE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SEEN HIM BEFORE, BUT I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF THAT WAS IF THAT WAS POSSIBLE. BECAUSE IF YOU SEEN IT. BUT I DO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE. I KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A THRIFT STORE AND OUR OUR FIRST MARKET RETAIL STORE. YOU YOU DO TOO, RIGHT? I DO. IF IT WAS ANOTHER THRIFT STORE, BUT MY THRIFT STORE. NO, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THRIFT STORES. NO. WHAT YOU SAID WHAT I KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AND YES, I KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RETAIL AND OTHER THRIFT STORES. YEAH, I KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BECAUSE I GO THERE. THAT'S THE REASON WHY I'M ASKING FOR A SPECIFIC USE, BECAUSE MINE IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT. IT'S TOP SCALE. IT'S TOP SCALE. ALL RIGHT. THANKS, SIR. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO GO TO COUNCIL MEMBER BEARD, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO MAYOR PRO TEM MOORE. COUNCILOR BEARD. OKAY. I'VE HEARD ANTIQUES AND VINTAGE AND THAT YOUR STORE IS DIFFERENT, BUT WHAT EXACTLY WILL YOU BE SELLING? I THINK THAT'S THE HANG UP. ARE YOU GOING TO BE SELLING USED CLOTHES? YES OR NO? LIGHTLY USED. MOST OF MY. MOST OF THE THINGS ARE NEW. SO YOU WILL BE SELLING USED CLOTHES. OKAY, THEN. THEIT DOES FIT THE DEFINITION OF A THRIFT STORE AND NOT AN ANTIQUE MALL OR A VINTAGE SHOP OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO AS LONG AS IT'S USED CLOTHES AND IT FITS. OKAY. IT'S THRIFT STORE. THAT'S ALL I NEEDED TO KNOW. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.
MAYOR PRO TEM, WE'RE BACK TO YOU. AND PREVIOUSLY, YOU HAD A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO DENY AND ON STAFF'S COMING BACK. I JUST WANTED TO ANSWER CM DUTTON'S QUESTION. I DO NOT SEE THRIFT STORE OR SIMILAR CEO ON THAT COMPLEX THAT'S NOT ISSUED BY US. THAT'S IF THERE'S A SIMILAR USE.
THEY HAVE BEEN CLASSIFIED DIFFERENTLY. IT'S NOT A THRIFT STORE BUSINESS OR USED GOOD SALES AND OR BUSINESS. I JUST WANTED TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. SIR. BACK TO YOU. AND I HAVE TO KEEP THAT MOTION ON THE FLOOR FOR THIS REASON. EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE SAID, NOTHING AT THIS
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POINT PERSUADES ME TO BELIEVE THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A THRIFT STORE. EVERYTHING THAT'S COME OUT SO FAR. NOW, DON'T GET ME WRONG. THE COUNCILMAN HAS MADE A VERY GOOD POINT OF THE PROPERTY BEING VACANT FOR FIVE YEARS AND GIVING YOU AN OPPORTUNITY. I WOULD LOVE TO DO THAT, BUT IT STILL DOES NOT MEET THE CONDITIONS OF THE BEST USE OF THE LAND. AND AS A RESULT OF THAT, I WOULD STILL SAYAY I WOUD VOTE TO DENY. CAN YOU AND I? DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? I DO UNDERSTAND, AND I MEAN, AT THIS POINT, I UNDERSTAND THE REASON WHY I WAS PUSHING, BECAUSE WHEN I CAME INTO IT, THE NAME OF MY SOURCE, MYTHOLOGY.AND I'LL LEAVE IT AT THIS. WHEN I CAME IN, I CAME IN. IT WAS THRIFT OLOGY BEFORE I EVEN GOT THE BUILDING. YES, SIR. AND BECAUSE IT WAS A THRIFT STORE BEFORE, THAT'S THE REASON WHY I MOVED FORWARD WITH IT. WHEN I GOT IN AND WAS DENIED TURNING TO A THRIFT STORE BECAUSE THE REZONING HAD CHANGED. I WASN'T AWARE OF IT, BUT MR. SINGH FINALLY HAD HAD MENTIONED IT THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE FOUND OUT, THAT'S WHAT IT WAS. SO AND SO WELL, HE SAID, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND SUBMIT A PERMIT BECAUSE IT'S BEEN CLOSED SO LONG. SO NOW THAT WE'RE AT THIS POINT, I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND, THANK YOU. THAT THAT'S NOT WHAT IT IS. AND SO MY ONLY OPTION NOW IS TO JUST CLOSE IT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I WAS WAITING FOR. SO AND MY HEART GOES OUT TO YOU. I'VE HAD TWO OF THESE CASES IN THE LAST THREE MONTHS. SAME SITUATION. BUT THAT'S THE ONLY REASON THAT I'M SAYING TO YOU TONIGHT THAT I HAVE TO VOTE TO DENY IT.
BECAUSE, AGAIN, EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE STATED DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE RUNNING A THRIFT STORE. MR. MAYOR, THANK YOU. OKAY, SO TO RESTATE, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR BY MAYOR PRO TEM MOORE TO DENY AND WITH A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER BASS. MADAM SECRETARY, IF YOU PREPARE THE VOTE FOR US AND AGAIN COUNCIL, THE MOTION IS TO DENY. AND DISPLAY THE VOTE, PLEASE. THE MOTION TO DENY PREVAILS WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS DUTTON AND OTT IN OPPOSITION. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. MOVING ON TO ITEM C, CONSIDER REQUEST BY YESENIA MORALES PROPOSING A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT TO SINGLE FAMILY FIVE DISTRICT. THIS SITE IS LOCATED AT 409 SCHOOL STREET IN DISTRICT EIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. AS YOU MENTIONED, THIS IS A REQUEST TO GO FROM COMMUNITY RETAIL TO SINGLE FAMILY FIVE DISTRICT. I WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE SOME CONTEXT TO THIS REQUEST. SO THIS BUILDING, THIS SINGLE FAMILY HOME WAS BUILT PER DALLAS COUNTY APPRAISAL DISTRICT. THIS WAS BUILT BACK IN 1962. THE ZONING FOR AS FAR AS WE CAN, AS FAR BACK AS WE COULD GO, WHICH IS 1980S, HAS ALWAYS BEEN SOME KIND OF NONRESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL ZONING ON THAT SITE. SO WE DO NOT WE CANNOT TELL WHAT THE ZONING WAS IN 1962 AND H THIS BUILDING WAS PERMITTED. THE PLAN COMMISSION CHAIR HAD MENTIONED THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT IT WAS CUMULATIVE ZONING BACK THEN. WELL, WHATEVER WAS ALLOWED IN A MUCH LESSER INTENSE DISTRICT WOULD ALWAYS BE ALLOWED IN THE HIGHER DISTRICT. THAT COULD BE THE CASE. WE JUST DON'T KNOW. SO WHEN THE APPLICANT CAME IN FOR A PERMIT, SHE IS GOING SHE IS PROPOSING EXTENSIVE RENOVATION, REMODELING AND EXPANSION TO HER, TO HER, TO HER HOME. AND AT THAT POINT WE POINTED OUT THAT, HEY, IT'S A NON-CONFORMING USE BECAUSE IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON A CR ZONING DISTRICT. YOU CANNOT EXPAND IT. YOU CAN DO INTERIOR REMODELING, BUT YOU CAN'T DO YOU CAN'T EXPAND THE NONCONFORMING USE. SO THAT'S THE CONTEXT OF THE ZONING WHY THIS IS BEFORE YOU. SO SHE IS NOW APPLYING FOR THE ZONING TO BE SF FIVE. SO IT FITS WHAT SHE ALREADY GOT ON HER PROPERTY. SOUNDS LIKE THE ZONING IS BEFORE ALL OF US. IT DOES SOUND LIKE THAT. SO IT IS IN DISTRICT EIGHT. THE LOT IS ABOUT 8589 SQUARE FOOT. AGAIN, ZONING IS COMMUNITY RETAIL. YOU CAN SEE IN THERE THIS AREA HAS A MIXTURE OF CR AND SF TO THE NORTH. THE
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BUILDING TO THE NORTH. I BELIEVE AT ONE POINT IT WAS AS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, BUT NOW IT HAS BEEN CONVERTED TO A BUSINESS. IT'S A BARBER SHOP, THE PROPERTY DIRECTLY TO THE NORTH. WE HAVE ANOTHER BUSINESS IN TO THE EAST. BUT THE HOMES, THE PROPERTIES TO THE SOUTH ARE SF SEVEN AND VERY, VERY COMPARABLE AND SIMILAR TO THE APPLICANT'S HOME. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DOES DESIGNATE THIS AREA AS NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES. I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION THAT YES, IT IS THAT THAT CATEGORY DOES SAY A MIX OF RETAIL SERVICES AND COMMUNITY GATHERING SPACES, BUT IT HAS A CLARIFICATION THAT THIS CATEGORY IS NOT EXCLUSIVELY FOR NONRESIDENTIAL. SO YES, EVEN THOUGH IT'S DESIGNATED AS NEIGHBORHOOD CENTERS ON THE ON THE FLOP ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, THE BUILDING THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME MAY STILL FIT THAT VISION. WE DO HAVE SOME PHOTOS.SOME SITE PHOTOS. VIEW OF THE VIEW OF THE PROPERTY FROM SCHOOL STREET. VIEW FROM THE FROM THE PROPERTY LOOKING NORTH AND SOUTH DOWN SCHOOL STREET AND WALNUT STREET. WE DO RECOMMEND APPROVAL. PLANNING COMMISSION ALSO RECOMMENDED APPROVAL. I DO WANT TO KIND OF PROVIDE SOME FURTHER INFORMATION ON THIS. SO WITH THIS REMODELING AND EXPANSION, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO CONVERT THE EXISTING GARAGE. AND OUR CODE REQUIRES HER TO BUILD A NEW GARAGE. SO FOR HER TO BUILD THAT TO THE BACK, SHE'LL HAVE A SHE'LL NEED TO HAVE A DRIVEWAY APPROACH. AND FOR THAT DRIVEWAY APPROACH TO HAPPEN, SHE NEEDS THE ALLEY TO BE PAVED, WHICH CURRENTLY IS NOT A PAVED ALLEY. SO THE APPLICANT HAS ALREADY TURNED IN AN APPLICATION FOR AN ALLEY PAVEMENT. IT IS CURRENTLY BEING REVIEWED BY THE BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. I BELIEVE BASED ON THE INFORMATION PROVIDED TO ME BY THE ENGINEERING DIRECTOR, THAT WILL BE BEFORE YOU SOMETIME IN MARCH, BECAUSE COUNCIL NEEDS TO VOTE ON THE ALLEY PAVEMENT APPROVAL. SO THAT PIECE IS STILL PENDING. SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING IT BRING IT UP SO THAT YOU'RE AWARE. BUT THEY HAVE RECEIVED. SO THEY NEED A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF NEIGHBORS PARTICIPATING. AND THEY HAVE RECEIVED ALL THREE, WHICH IS 100%. SO WITH THAT WE DO WE HAVE RECEIVED THREE RESPONSES BEFORE THE COUNCIL MEETING. TWO ARE IN FAVOR. ONE WAS NEUTRAL. AND WITH THAT, I THINK WE HAVE SOME CLARIFICATION FROM ENGINEERING. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HAS EVER REGISTERED AS NEUTRAL ON ONE OF THOSE BEFORE. THEY THEY DID CHECK BOTH BOXES. I SAW THAT CRYSTAL. JUST ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION. THIS ACTUALLY IS A DEDICATED ALLEY. IT IS NOT AN UNPAVED EASEMENT.
IT IS TRULY A DEDICATED ALLEY AND IT IS AN UNPAVED ALLEY. OKAY. OKAY, SO IT IS IT IS CLASSIFIED AS AN ALLEY AT THIS POINT. BUT THE DRIVEWAY REQUIREMENT REQUIRES A PAVED ALLEY OR JUST REQUIRES AN ALLEY. REQUIRES A PAVED. PAVED. OKAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR ON THAT. OKAY. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. CRYSTAL. YEAH. WITH THAT, I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. AND WE HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE AS WELL. VERY GOOD. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? COUNCIL MEMBER ART. I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR THE EXPLANATION. YOU YOU HIT ON ALL THE KEY POINTS THAT I WAS THINKING OF, WHETHER THE REMODELING THAT THEY WERE GOING TO DO WAS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT WAS GOING TO BE HAS BEEN REVIEWED AND WOULD BE COMPLIANT, BECAUSE THIS IS SF SEVEN AND EVERYTHING. SPOT ON. IT LOOKS GOOD. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME.
THE REQUEST IS FOR SF FIVE. THE LOT CAN CORRECT. THE LOT CAN ACCOMMODATE AN SF SEVEN. BUT THE PLANS THAT WERE SUBMITTED TO OUR BUILILDING PERT, IT BEST FITS. LIKE IF THEY'RE SF FIVE, THEN THEY ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY MORE ISSUES DOWN THE LINE. THAT WAS DETERMINED BY BUILDING INSPECTION. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. VERY GOOD. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? COUNCILMEMBER BASS? THANK YOU. NO QUESTIONS. JUST I WANT TO POINT OUT, REALLY IT LOOKS LIKE WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS WE'RE W WE'REE'RE FIXING A MISTAKE. I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE HOUSE, IT'S A HOUSE ON A STREET FULL OF HOUSES. SO WE'RE LITERALLY JUST GOING BACK AND FIXING SOMETHING THAT CLEARLY WAS AN ERROR SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WAY. SO APPRECIATE ALL THE INFORMATION. APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION. THANK YOU MAYOR. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. WE DO HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE, A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE APPLICANT. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I SEE NONE. COUNCIL MEMBER OTT. MR. MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THIS AS PRESENTED. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER OTT AND A SECOND BY DEPUTY MAYOR PRO
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TEM LOOK TO APPROVE ITEM SIX C AS PRESENTED. MADAM SECRETARY, PREPARE TO VOTE FOR US. COUNCIL.AND DISPLAY THE VOTE. AND THAT ITEM IS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. AND I HAVE TO. I JUST HAVE TO SAY THOSE WERE PROBABLY TWO OF THE MOST INTERESTING ZONING CASES THAT HAVE COME THROUGH HERE IN A LONG TIME AS FAR AS DISCUSSION AND THE THINGS THAT WE'VE I, I HAVE TO TELL YOU, I DIDN'T SEE THAT COMING ON EITHER ONE OF THOSE. SO ANYWAY, THANK YOU ALL FOR. I KNOW THAT THAT FIRST ONE GOT A LITTLE BACK AND FORTH THERE, BUT THANK YOU ALL. WE KEPT IT TOGETHER. VERY
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HAVE COUNCIL MEMBER HEDRICK. THANK YOU. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE DAMON WILSON TO THE TIF TWO SOUTH BOARD. I HAVE A NOMINATION BY COUNCIL MEMBER HEDRICK IN A SECOND, BY COUNCIL MEMBER DUTTON FOR DAMON WILSON FOR THE TIF TWO SOUTH BOARD. MADAM SECRETARY, IF YOU PREPARE THE VOTE FOR US, PLEASE. COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS. AND DISPLAY THE VOTE. AND THAT NOMINATION IS ACCEPTED UNANIMOUSLY. NEXT ITEM IS CITIZEN COMMENTS. MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE WISHING TO ADDRESS ISSUES NOT ON THE MEETING AGENDA MAY HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.HOWEVER, ACCORDING TO THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT, COUNCIL IS PROHIBITED FROM DISCUSSING ANY ITEM NOT ON THE POSTED AGENDA. IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK THIS EVENING? AS A
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LITTLE MUSICAL INTERLUDE THERE? SEEING NO ONE. NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA AND COUNCIL, WE ARE GOING TO MOVE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AND WE WILL MOVE TO THE WORK SESSION ROOM FOR THAT. ITEM NINE THE CITY COUNCIL WILL ADJOURN INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION IN THE WORK SESSION ROOM PURSUANT TO PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 551 .07155, 1.072 AND 551.087 OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE TO DELIBERATE, EXCUSE ME OR DISCUSS OR EXCUSE ME, CERTAIN COMMERCIAL OR FINANCIAL INFORMATION THAT THE CITY HAS RECEIVED FROM A BUSINESS PROSPECT THAT THE CITY SEEKS TO HAVE, LOCATE, STAY, OR EXPAND IN OR NEAR THE TERRITORY OF THE CITY AND WITH WHICH THE CITY IS CONDUCTING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS, INCLUDING THE POSSIBILITY OF CONVEYANCE OF REAL PROPERTY AND ATTORNEY CLIENT DISCUSSIONS RELATED TO SAME. COUNCIL. AT THIS TIME, WE ARE GOING TO RECESS THIS REGULAR MEETING. WE WILL RECONVENE IN OUR EXECUTIVE SESSION AT 815.PLEASE,
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