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WELL, GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE MARCH 3RD, 2025 WORK SESSION FOR THE GARLAND CITY COUNCIL. JUST A QUICK NOTE. WE ARE AS FAR AS OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING.
PRESENTATION ON ITEM ONE. AND WE'VE DONE THIS IN THE PAST WHERE WE WILL HAVE THE STAFF PRESENTATION. THEN WE WILL OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS, THEN COUNCIL DISCUSSION IN THAT ORDER. THAT WAY EVERYONE'S COMMENTING AND QUESTIONS ON THE ON THE ON THE SAME INFORMATION.
SO AND I DO BELIEVE WE HAVE SPEAKERS FOR ITEM ONE. SO WE WILL HOLD AGAIN HOLD ON THAT. SO THE NEXT ITEM IS CONSIDER THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR TOMORROW NIGHT. I BELIEVE IT'S ITEM HAS ALREADY BEEN PULLED FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION TOMORROW NIGHT. AND THAT IS OBVIOUSLY IT'S THE IS IT 5 OR 6. SORRY FIVE. SORRY. ITEM FIVE HAS BEEN PULLED FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION FOR TOMORROW NIGHT. MOVING ON. AND IF THERE'S ANY OTHERS, OBVIOUSLY THE MORE TIME WE CAN HAVE. SO IF WE NEED A PRESENTATION, WE CAN HAVE THAT FIRST ITEM UP UNDER WRITTEN
[1. Agreement for Real Property Contract of Sale Between The Owl Icehouse Garland LLC and the City of Garland Regarding Property Located at 519 State Street in the Downtown Historic Sub-district. Council is requested to consider the approval of a Development Agreement and Real Property Contract of Sale between The Owl Icehouse Garland LLC and the City of Garland regarding property located at 519 State Street in the Downtown Historic Sub-district. Unless otherwise directed by Council, this item will be scheduled for formal consideration at the March 4, 2025 Regular Meeting. ]
BRIEFINGS. ITEM ONE AGREEMENT FOR REAL PROPERTY. CONTRACT OF SALE BETWEEN THE OWL ICE HOUSE, GARLAND LLC AND THE CITY OF GARLAND REGARDING PROPERTY LOCATED AT 519 STATE STREET IN THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT. ALSO, ANOTHER POINT ON THIS COUNCIL. DURING THIS SEGMEMENT,E ARE HERE TO DISCUSS THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AS IT IS PRESENTED AS IT HAS BEEN POSTED.WE DO HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION SCHEDULED FOR LATER THIS LATER TONIGHT. FOR THIS ITEM. SO IF THE ARE IF THERE ARE ANY SUGGESTED ALTERATIONS TO THAT AGREEMENT, WE WILL NEED TO HOLD THOSE UNTIL THE EXECUTIVE SESSION, BECAUSE THOSE WOULD FALL UNDER COMPETITIVE INFORMATION. SO THIS DISCUSSION IS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AS PRESENTED. ALL RIGHT. AND WHO'S UP. GO AHEAD. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. WHILE THEY'RE PULLING THE SLIDE DECK UP FOR 519, WANT TO GIVE A LITTLE CONTEXT AND BACKGROUND HERE. SO WE PUT TOGETHER WHAT WE THINK ARE A NUMBER OF CONSIDERATIONS AND INFORMATION. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF QUESTIONS ASKED ON THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. AND SO WE WANT TO WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO THOSE AND ANSWER THEM. AND THOUGHT IT WOULD BE MOST HELPFUL TO START OUT WITH A, WITH KIND OF A PROJECT TIMELINE. AND FULL DISCLOSURE, THIS THIS TIMELINE STARTS IN OCTOBER 2023. BUT REALLY PRIOR TO THAT, AS THIS COUNCIL RECALL, THIS BUILDING HAS BEEN VACANT FOR OVER 30 YEARS. AND SO THERE WASN'T A POWERPOINT SLIDE OR TV BIG ENOUGH TO CAPTURE THOSE 30 YEARS OF VACANCY. BUT SO WHAT WE DID IS STARTED WITH WHEN THE CITY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY AT 519 STATE STREET AND APPROVED THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ALONG WITH THAT. AND SO THAT'S OF COURSE, ALWAYS BEEN IN OUR IN OUR MIND AS WE'VE MOVED FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT, KNOWING THAT WE HAVE THOSE FUNDAMENTAL DOCUMENTS TO IDENTIFY THE DEAL POINTS THAT WE'D HAVE TO CARRY OVER INTO THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT PROVIDED A FRAMEWORK, ESPECIALLY THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, FOR ANY OF ANY SUBSEQUENT PROPOSALS OR DISCUSSIONS THAT THAT WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH ON THIS PROPERTY. SO, FOLLOWING THE CITY'S APPROVAL OF THE PURCHASE IN DECEMBER 2023, AFTER THE TIFF ONE BOARD RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF SOME PLAN CHANGES TO THE PROJECT AND FINANCING PLAN FOR TIFF ONE, THE COUNCIL IN DECEMBER 2023 APPROVED A TIFF ONE PLAN AMENDMENT THAT INCLUDED DEBT SERVICE FOR $10 MILLION FOR THE PURCHASE AND REDEVELOPMENT OF 519. AND IF YOU'LL RECALL AT THE TIME, THE DISCUSSION AROUND 519 CENTERED AROUND AND THIS IS IN THE BOX IN THE UPPER RIGHT HAND CORNER OF THE SLIDE. THIS IS FROM THE DIRECTLY FROM THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. IT IS THE CITY'S INTENTION TO OPERATE OR CAUSE TO OPERATE THE FACILITY AS AN EVENT CENTER, CATERING FACILITY, RESTAURANT, OR ANY SIMILAR TYPE ENTERTAINMENT SERVICE. AND SO WE IN THAT IN THAT DOCUMENT, THAT FRAMEWORK DOCUMENT, WE'VE ALWAYS CONTEMPLATED THOSE USES, THOSE POTENTIAL USES AND KEPT THAT DOCUMENT FLEXIBLE SO THAT WE COULD DO WHAT NEEDED TO BE DONE.
THE BACK WHEN THE PROPERTY WAS PURCHASED AND THE TIFF PLAN AMENDED, IT WAS CONTEMPLATED THE
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POSSIBILITY THAT THE CITY WOULD DEVELOP THE PROPERTY INTO SOME COMBINATION OF THOSE USES THAT WE WANTED TO ACTIVATE THE SPACE, REDEVELOP THE SPACE, AND SO CAPACITY WAS MADE IN THE TIFF PLAN FOR THE CITY, NOT ONLY TO PURCHASE IT, BUT TO REDEVELOP IT. AND THAT WILL BECOME AN IMPORTANT POINT THAT OUR CFO, MATT WATSON, IS GOING TO CIRCLE BACK TO HERE IN A MINUTE. WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT THE FINANCE FINANCIAL IMPACT HERE. SO KIND OF LATER IN 2023 AND THROUGH THE BEGINNING OF 2024, ONCE FOLKS FOUND OUT THAT, HEY, THE CITY IS INTERESTED IN REDEVELOPING THIS PROPERTY, WE STARTED RECEIVING A NUMBER OF INQUIRIES. MOST OF THEM JUST KIND OF SOFT. HEY, WHAT DO YOU INTEND TO DO WITH IT? ARE YOU LOOKING FOR A DEVELOPMENT PARTNER? YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE APPROACH THIS, THIS OPPORTUNITY? AND SO THE DECISION WAS MADE AT THAT TIME FOR US TO GO OUT WITH A REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS. OR SOMETIMES IT'S CALLED AN RFP PROCESS, WHERE WE WOULD GO OUT AND OPEN UP THE DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP OPPORTUNITY TO ANYONE WHO WANTED TO MAKE A PROPOSAL TO THE CITY. THIS IS A PROCESS THAT WE SOMETIMES USE ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES. I'LL SAY IN MY 20 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE, IT IT'S HIT OR MISS. WE THOUGHT BECAUSE OF ALL THE INQUIRIES WE WERE RECEIVING, THAT THIS WOULD BE A GOOD, FAIR OPPORTUNITY FOR ANYONE WHO WANTED TO PARTNER ON THE PROPERTY TO BE ABLE TO GIVE US A PROPOSAL AND PROPOSE SOME TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP, GIVEN THE FRAMEWORK THAT WAS APPROVED IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. AND SO WE BRIEFED COUNCIL ON THAT IN APRIL OF 2024. WE STARTED THAT PROCESS. AT THE SAME TIME THAT WAS GOING ON AND REALLY THROUGH KIND OF SPRING SUMMER OF LAST YEAR, THE CITY STARTED A MARKET STUDY TO IDENTIFY AND SURVEY. YOU GUYS PROBABLY FILLED IT OUT TO IDENTIFY WHAT ARE THE WHAT ARE WHAT IS THE MARKET TELL US AND WHAT PROSPECTS ARE OUT THERE FOR POTENTIAL BUSINESSES. WHAT WHAT DOES THE WHAT ARE THE DOWNTOWNERS WANT IN IN THIS SPACE AND OTHER SPACES? WHERE ARE THEIR GREATEST OPPORTUNITIES FOR BUSINESS PROSPECTS IN IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA? AND SO WE KIND OF RAN THAT IN PARALLEL. WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT IS THAT WHEN WE GOT WHEN IF THE CITY WERE TO RECEIVE PROPOSALS FOR 519 AND SOME OF THE OTHER PROPERTIES THAT WE HAVE DOWNTOWN, WE WANTED TO CONTRAST THAT AND COMPARE ITO WHAT THE SURVEY TOLD US. AND SO WE ISSUED THE RFQ AND WENT THROUGH THAT PROCESS. AND AS WE MENTIONED, THE COUNCIL TWO WEEKS AGO, WE DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY SUBMISSIONS IN RESPONSE TO THAT REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS. HOWEVER, MANY LEADS WERE GENERATED AS A RESULT THAT, THAT INQUIRY. AND THAT'S REALLY HOW WE CAME TO KNOW THE POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT PARTNER THAT WERE THAT WE'VE BEEN IN NEGOTIATIONS WITH NOW. THAT RFQ PROCESS WAS PACKAGED WITH FOUR OTHER PROPERTIES THAT THE CITY HAD DOWNTOWN. AND AGAIN, WE'RE STILL A LOT OF LEADS WERE GENERATED FROM THAT. I THINK, YOU KNOW, LESSON LEARNED FOR US IS THAT RFQ PROCESS DOESN'T ALWAYS WORK AND IT'S BEEN HIT OR MISS. WE'VE USED IT ON OTHER PROPERTIES IN THE CITY. IN THE PAST WITH WITH MIXED RESULTS. SO IT ALWAYS A LEARNING EXPERIENCE ON THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FRONT. SO ONCE THE THAT PROCESS WE KIND OF CLOSED OUT STARTED TALKING TO SOME OF THE LEADS THAT WERE GENERATED OUT OF THAT PROCESS. ONE BECAME VERY CLEAR FRONT RUNNER FOR US AS A VERY EXPERIENCED DOWNTOWN DEVELOPER. SOMEBODY THAT HAS A TRACK RECORD OF PARTNERING WITH WITH SUCCESSFUL RESTAURANT OPERATORS. THAT HAS WORKED IN A IN LARGER CITIES THAT HAVE A HISTORIC DOWNTOWN. AND SO REALLY KIND OF NOVEMBER DECEMBER TIMELINE, WE STARTED WORKING WITH THE OWL ICE HOUSE DEVELOPER. DON DAY AND HIS PARTNERS. LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY. SO OVER THE COURSOF THE HOLIDAYS, THE PROPOSAL WAS REFINED. THEY DID SOME DUE DILIGENCE WORK ON ON THEIR PART.WE TOOK SOME TOURS OF THE BUILDING. AND FAST FORWARD TO. FEBRUARY 2025. STAFF'S GIVEN DIRECTION TO PREPARE A PROPERTY SALE AND DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE OWL ICE HOUSE. AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT WHAT LEADS US TO WHERE WE ARE NOW. AND JUST WANT TO AGAIN KIND OF REHEARSE WHAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENED ALL THE WAY BACK TO OCTOBER 2023 AND TRY TO GET EVERYBODY ON THE SAME PAGE. AND I'M GOING TO HAND IT OVER TO ANDY AND MATT NOW FOR SOME ADDITIONAL BACKGROUND INFORMATION. THANK YOU SIR. I'LL JUST KIND OF GO THROUGH SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE PROJECT IS
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KIND OF WHERE IT STANDS. PURCHASE PRICE OF THE PROPERTY WAS IS PROPOSED TO BE 740,000 TO BE PAID TO THE CITY BY THE DEVELOPER. THEN IN TURN, THAT INCENTIVE. THERE IS A REIMBURSEMENT OF THAT AMOUNT FOR QUALIFIED CONSTRUCTION COSTS AT VARIOUS MILESTONES. CAN I INTERRUPT? I'M SORRY. THAT THE AND YOU MAYBE WERE GOING TO MENTION IT. THAT40 NUMBER CAME OUT OF A FEBRUARY 2025 APPRAISAL OF THE PROPERTY, MEANING THAT THAT IS THE CURRENT MARKET VALUE OF THE PROPERTY. YES, SIR. SORRY. NO, YOU'RE CORRECT. I LEFT THAT VERY KEY PIECE OUT.BUT YES, THAT IS AN UP TO DATE APPRAISAL FOR THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY. AND THAT IS THE BASIS FOR THE PROPOSED DEAL POINTS. THEY'RE LOOKING AT 13,000FTā S, INCLUDING THE TOP SECONDTORY OVERLOOKING THE SQUARE. AND I'LL SHOW A LITTLE BIT OF A FOOTPRINT HERE THAT KIND OF TALKS ABOUT THE RENTABLE SPACE, THE RESTAURANT SPACE. AND THEN WE GENERALLY BELIEVE THAT THIS PROJECT SUPPORTS THE LONG, LONG TERM VISION OF THE DOWNTOWN GARLAND REVITALIZATION AS A COMMUNITY WIDE ASSET. JUST SOME ADDITIONAL KIND OF BUSINESS POINTS, AS JUDD ALLUDED TO. WE DID THIS STUDY, AND AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, THE MARKET STUDY TALKED ABOUT PEOPLE'S DESIRIRE FOR NEW RESTAURANTS AS A TOP PRIORITY. AND IDENTIFIED DEMAND FOR SUCH DINING OPTIONS AS A DATE NIGHT PLACE, CASUAL PLACES, FARM TO TABLE, BREAKFAST, BRUNCH. WE'RE AMONG THE FEEDBACK THAT WE HEARD 519 THE SIZE OF 13,000FTā S IS WELL SUITED FOR BOTH RESTAURANT SPACE THAT HAS DUAL USE AS A EVENT RENTALS, AS YOU'LL SEE IN THE FOOTPRINT. WE ALSO BELIEVE THE ICE HOUSE WILL ATTRACT NEW VISITORS THAT WILL COMPLEMENT EXISTING BUSINESSES. THEY THEY ARE PROPOSING A VERY FAMILY FRIENDLY DINING ATMOSPHERE, ROOFTOP SEATING, OUTDOOR SPACE AND ENHANCES THE OVERALL DOWNTOWN EXPERIENCE. AS WE KNOW THAT A RISING TIDE LIFTS ALL SHIPS. GREAT RESTAURANTS BEGET MORE GREAT RESTAURANTS MORE DESTINATION EXPERIENCE. BECOMES CONTAGIOUS. PART OF THEIR BUSINESS MODEL IS THAT THEY WERE VERY IMPRESSED AND VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE WAY THAT THE DOWNTOWN WAS DESIGNED TO BE A FAMILY FRIENDLY DESTINATION, AND THE DESIGN FEATURES SUCH AS THE PLAY AREAS AND THE OPEN LAWN FIT PERFECTLY WITHIN THEIR BUSINESS MODEL. THEY ALSO EXPRESSED A GREAT DEAL OF INTEREST IN ACCENTUATING THE LOCAL HISTORY FOR BOTH THE BUILDING AND THE ALL OF THE CITY'S SCHOOL NAMESAKES. THEY WERE REALLY LOOKING AT CREATIVE WAYS TO INCORPORATE THE HISTORY AND REALLY GIVE HONOR TO THE TO THE SCHOOLS, HENCE THE NAME THE ICE HOUSE. AND THEN LASTLY, I THINK THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT IN LOOKING FOR KEY PARTNERS IN ANY DEVELOPMENT. THIS DEVELOPER HAS A PROVEN TRACK RECORD OF REVITALIZING TEXAS DOWNTOWN PROPERTIES BY UNDERTAKING HOW TO BUILD DOWNTOWN DESTINATION EXPERIENCES. THIS. THIS GROUP HAS DONE THIS IN MCKINNEY THAT HAS MADE THEM FAMOUS FOR THEIR DOWNTOWN FREDERICKSBURG AND DENISON OR OTHER CITIES. THAT THAT HE IS HAS HAD SUCCESS IN. SO JUST A QUICK OVERVIEW. YOU'LL NOTICE THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE BANNER FACADE THAT IS OUTSIDE THE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW AND HAS BEEN FOR SOME TIME. ROLL UP DOORS. TOP. ROOF. TOP ALSO. THIS YOU'LL NOTICE HERE THIS IS NOT THE MOST UP TO DATE DRAFT. THEY ARE WORKING ON A DRAFT TO INCORPORATE OUR FEEDBACK RELATED TO HOW THIS WOULD CONNECT TO THE THEATER. AND SO THIS THIS DRAFT DOESN'T REFLECT THAT IS STILL BEING LOOKED AT AS WHAT'S THE MOST FEASIBLE OPPORTUNITY. BUT YOU CAN SEE WHERE THESE DINING AREAS ARE. IT'S QUITE A BIT AND IT HOLDS QUITE A BIT OF PEOPLE THAT IT'S GOING TO DRAW TO THE SQUARE, BOTH MULTI-PURPOSE. YOU MAY HAVE A RESTAURANT GOING ON AT A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME, IN A RENTAL SPACE AT ANOTHER TIME, OR RENTAL SPACE IN THE WHOLE SPACE. STILL WORKING ON THE KITCHEN AND BAR CONFIGURATION, STORAGE AND RESTROOMS. THIS WILL BE SOME VERY VALUABLE REAL ESTATE DURING CONCERTS AS THIS PATIO AREA, PLUS THESE GARAGE ROLL UP DOORS WHERE THE INSIDE FEELS LIKE IT'S PART OF THE OUTSIDE. HERE'S JUST KIND OF A DRAFT VIEW OF WHAT THE UPSTAIRS COULD LOOK LIKE. SAME THING. WONDERFUL REAL ESTATE FOR NICE SUNNY DAYS LOOKING AT EVENTS.
AND THEN THE REST. I WILL LET MATT TALK ABOUT THE FINANCIAL COMPONENTS. AND I'LL. I'LL TOUCH ON THIS WHEN I THINK I SLIPPED THISIS SLIDE IN THERE TO TRY TO RESPOND TO SOME QUESTIONS TOO.
SO THE PRIOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES DOWNTOWN REALLY COME IN A COUPLE DIFFERENT FORMS. ONE IS FOR HISTORICALLY IT'S BEEN FACADE AND REVITALIZE WHAT WE CALL THE REVITALIZATION PROGRAM. THESE ARE FUNDED THROUGH THE TIF AND FOR A NUMBER OF BUSINESSES AND BUILDINGS DOWNTOWN. HELPED TO HELP TO FUND INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS. SO THAT THAT PROGRAM IS FUNDED AROUND $700,000 IN AWARDS TO DATE. WITH MORE DESTINATION RESTAURANTS
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SEEKING TO COME DOWNTOWN. WE KNEW THAT A DIFFERENT TOOL, BUCKET OR TOOL SET WAS GOING TO BE NEEDED. AND SO THE FIRST OF WHICH CAME THROUGH LAST YEAR ON THE FORTUNATE SON, WHICH WAS AN INCENTIVE OF $500,000, AND BASED ON THE TOTAL BUILDING SIZE OF 7400FTā S. CAME IN AT ABOUT $67 PER SQUARE FOOT. USING THE $740,000 INCENTIVE ON THE ICE HOUSE AND THE 13,000FTā S PROPOSD FOR THE BUILDING, THAT COMES OUT TO AROUND $57 A SQUARE FOOT FOR THE AT THE OWL ICE HOUSE. THAT'S GOING TO BE A TONGUE TWISTER MOVING FORWARD. SO WANTED TO JUST KIND OF GIVE GIVE SOME CONTEXT AROUND THAT AS WELL. I KNOW THAT SOME OF OUR DOWNTOWN PROPERTY OWNERS, BUSINESS OWNERS HAVE ASKED ABOUT THAT AND JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE THAT COMPARISON. THERE WAS SOMETHING ELSE I WAS GOING TO MENTION, BUT I FORGOT IT. KEEP GOING. SO I WANTED TO PROVIDE A AT LEAST A HIGH LEVEL FINANCIAL ANALYSIS OF THE WHAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU FOR THE ICE HOUSE AND THE PREVIOUS PLAN OF THE CITY OWNING AN EVENT SPACE, AND BASICALLY WOULD BE ON THE HOOK FOR BUILDING THE EVENT SPACE AND THEN HIRING A MANAGEMENT COMPANY TO MANAGE THE FACILITIES. SO THAT THAT'S WHAT'S CURRENTLY WITHIN THE TIF PLAN. AND THAT'S WHAT WAS CURRENTLY CONTEMPLATED WHEN THAT TIF PLAN WAS ADOPTED. BUT I WANTED TO PUT THOSE NEXT TO EACH OTHER SO YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE IN THE FINANCIAL OUTLOOK FOR BOTH OF THOSE PROJECTS. THERE IS OBVIOUSLY OTHER PROJECTS THAT COULD BE PUT TOWARDS THIS. AND IF YOU WERE DOING A TRUE OPPORTUNITY COST ANALYSIS, YOU WOULD WANT TO FIND SOMETHING A LITTLE CLOSER TO THE ALLIES HOUSE. BUT AS JUDD MENTIONED, WE DO NOT HAVE ANYONE THAT'S PRESENTED US ANY SIGNIFICANT ASK ON THAT PROPERTY. SO THESE ARE THE TWO TWO THAT WE HAVE TO EVALUATE. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT I'LL GO OVER OPTION ONE FIRST, WHICH IS THE ICE HOUSE, AND THEN GO OVER OPTION TWO THE CITY OWNED EVENT SPACE SECOND. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CITY INVESTMENT PLUS INTEREST, YOU HEARD THAT JUDD SAID THAT THE ASK RIGHT NOW IS $740,000. WELL, WHAT WE DID IN LAST YEAR'S CIP IS WE PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY FOR $1.9 MILLION. SO WHAT THE INTENTION IS, IS THAT JUST THE $740,000 IS RIGHT NOW BEING CONTEMPLATED FOR THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY, AND WE WOULD LOOK TO REPURPOSTHE CEOS TO OTHER CIP PROJECTS, LIKE KIND PROJECTS, TO MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE OF THAT 1.9. SO THE TIF WOULD NOT BE REIMBURSING THAT COMPONENT. WE WOULD BASICALLY BE TAKING $745,000 FROM THE DEVELOPER PAYING OFF THAT PORTION OF THE DEBT, AND THEN HAVING THE TIF REIMBURSED THROUGH AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BACK TO THE DEVELOPER. SO THE PROJECTED TAX REVENUE, THIS IS BASED OFF OF THE 740,000 VALUATION PLUS THE PROJECTION THAT THEY WILL BRING ABOUT $3.7 MILLION OF IMPROVEMENTS TO THE FACILITY, AS WELL AS LOOKING AT SALES TAX FOR LIKE KIND FACILITIES AROUND THE DOWNTOWN SQUARE TO DETERMINE WHAT THE TOTAL PROPERTY PROJECTED TAX REVENUE FOR BOTH SALES AND PROPERTY TAXES. AND YOU CAN SEE RIGHT NOW I'M ASSUMING THAT THE CURRENT BREAK BACK PERIOD WOULD BREAK EVEN, PERIOD WOULD BE ABOUT TEN YEARS. AND OVER A 20 YEAR TIME FRAME, THE REVENUE OVER UNDER EXPENDITURES WOULD BE ROUGHLY $900,000. NOW, LOOKING AT THE CITY OWNED EVENT SPACE AND THIS PARTICULAR OPTION, WE WERE CONTEMPLATING, YOU KNOW, THE $1.9 MILLION SALE OF THE LAND, PLUS ANOTHER $8 MILLION FOR IMPROVEMENTS, AND THAT WITH INTEREST OVER 20 YEARS, WOULD END UP COSTING ABOUT $13.9 MILLION. NET REVENUE TO THE CITY WAS BASED OFF OF INFORMATION WE RECEIVED FROM AMY ROSENTHAL ON LIKENED FACILITIES THAT ARE CITY OWNED EVENT SPACES AROUND THE METROPLEX, AND THE NET REVENUE FOR THE FOR THOSE FACILITIES WAS ABOUT $1.3 MILLION A YEAR. SO WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN IS THE REVENUE OVER UNDER, OVER A 20 YEAR TIME FRAME WOULD BE A -$12.6 MILLION. ONCE THAT DEBT SERVICE IS PAID OFF ON THAT 20 YEARS. YES, THAT $1.3 MILLION WOULD BE REVENUE TO THE CITY, AND THERE WOULD BE A POTENTIAL FOR A BREAK EVEN POINT. BUT I DID NOT WANT TO PUT ONE IN THERE BECAUSE IT'S ONCE YOU GET OUT BEYOND 20 YEARS, MAINTENANCE COSTS, STAFFING LEVELS, ALL THOSE THINGS BECOME SUCH A HARD THING TO PROJECT OUT. SO I JUST WENT AHEAD AND PUT NOT APPLICABLE SINCE IT'S OVER THE[00:20:04]
20 YEARS. ONE OTHER THING I WANTED TO SHOW IS OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS, THERE'S BEEN A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF IMPROVEMENTS, BOTH CITY INVESTMENTS AND PRIVATE INVESTMENTS IN DOWNTOWN. AND THIS CHART SHOWS WHAT THAT HAS DONE IN THE FORM OF SALES TAX.SO IN 2023, THE DOWNTOWN SQUARE, WHICH IS WHAT THIS IS LOOKING AT, IS ALL THE ALL OF THE BUSINESSES AROUND THE DOWNTOWN SQUARE BROUGHT IN ABOUT $100,000 IN SALES TAX. WELL, IN OCTOBER OF 23, THE SQUARE RENOVATION OPENED AND WE SAW A SUBSTANTIAL JUMP IN OUR SALES TAX AT ABOUT 61% INCREASE. MOVING ON TO FY 25, THIS IS A PROJECTION BASED OFF OF THE DATA WE HAVE YEAR TO DATE. YOU CAN SEE THAT WE ARE ALREADY PROJECTING ANOTHER 52% INCREASE YEAR OVER YEAR IN SALES TAX REVENUE WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN SQUARE. AND SOME OF THE KEY THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED OVER THIS YEAR COMPARED TO LAST IS THE FORTUNATE SON, WHICH WAS MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, HAS OPENED SEVERAL OTHER BUSINESSES HAVE OPENED. AND WHAT WHAT I WANTED TO REALLY GET THE POINT ACROSS HERE IS SOMETIMES COMPETITION IN A SMALL AREA CAN HAVE NEGATIVE IMPACTS. IT'S SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO WATCH, BUT YOU CAN THEY CAN ALSO HAVE A VERY SUBSTANTIAL POSITIVE IMPACT BECAUSE COMPETITION USUALLY BREEDS INNOVATION, BREEDS COMPETITIVENESS IN THE MARKET.
SO IN MY OPINION, IT LOOKS LIKE THE DOWNTOWN SQUARE AND THE IMPROVEMENTS AND THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE COMING IN HAVE SHOWN THAT THEY ARE GENERATING ADDITIONAL SALES TAX. AND WITH A PROJECT LIKE THIS, IT SEEMS TO BE IT'S GOING TO BE INCREMENTAL. 'S GOING TO BE LIKE ROLLING A SNOWBALL DOWN THE HILL. YOU'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO SLOWLY BUILD UP THIS MOMENTUM. AND WITH THE COMPETITIVENESS IN THE MARKET. AND FOR RIGHT NOW, I THINK THAT THIS THIS TREND LINE SHOWS THAT IT IS OCCURRING BASED OFF OF WHAT'S OCCURRED SINCE 2023. THAT'T'S IT. YEAH. YEAH. I THINK MAYOR, THAT WAS OKAY. THAT WAS IT. WE HAVE IAN. THE END. YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE WILL GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. OBVIOUSLY, WE TALKED ABOUT THE SPEAKERS. MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE MAY ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL IN ANY WORK SESSION ITEM AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING. WE'VE MADE AN ALLOWANCE FOR THAT. SPEAKERS ARE ALLOWED THREE MINUTES EACH, AND THEY WILL BE GROUPED BY AGENDA ITEM CALLED IN THE ORDER OF THE AGENDA. I BELIEVE THEY'RE ALL ON THE FIRST ITEM. ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK? HOPEFULLY IT'S FILLED OUT A SPEAKER CARD. AND WE WILL.
SPEAKERS ARE LIMITED TO ADDRESSING ITEMS ON THE WORK SESSION AGENDA ONLY. ITEMS ON THE REGULAR MEETING AGENDA SHOULD BE ADDRESSED AT THE RESPECTIVE REGULAR MEETING.
ITEMS NOT CURRENTLY ON THE AGENDA MAY BE ADDRESSED DURING THE CITIZENS COMMENTS PORTION OF THE REGULAR MEETING. SO WE WILL. THE CITY SECRETARY WILL CALL OUR SPEAKERS FORWARD. YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES. YOU CAN CHOOSE ANY CHAIR YOU LIKE. I WILL ASK YOU TO GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE. THANK YOU, DON JOHNSON. COULD YOU GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? MY NAME IS JOHN JOHNSTON, 3013 PICCADILLY COURT, GARLAND, TEXAS, 75044. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR SCOTT LEMAY. COUNCILMEN AND WOMEN AND FELLOW CITIZENS. I AM THE OWNER AND OPERATOR OF AT YOUR SERVICE CATERING AND EVENT PLANNING, A 20 YEAR BUSINESS OPERATING AT THE CORNER OF STATE STREET AND SIXTH, SHARING A KITCHEN WITH TAVERN ON THE SQUARE. I'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS 20 YEARS, 14 YEARS OF WHICH HAVE BEEN IN THE CITY OF GARLAND. I'M ALSO A MANAGER OF TAVERN ON THE SQUARE AT SIX AND STATE STREET IN OUR SEVENTH YEAR OF BUSINESS.
I'M ALSO AN ADJUNCT PROFESSOR FOR DALLAS COLLEGE AT EL CENTRO FOR CHEF INSTRUCTION. FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS, BOTH CAMPUSES DOWNTOWN IN NORTH DALLAS. I'VE INVESTED OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS MORE THAN $2 MILLION INTO MY BUSINESS. AND I'M A REGULAR JOE, A REGULAR JOHN. SO I'M NOT A I'M JUST A MIDDLE CLASS GUY THAT PUT OVER $2 MILLION INTO MY BUSINESS IN THE LAST 20 YEARS, AND I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPACT OF THIS, THE SIZE AND SCOPE OF THIS PROPERTY COMING INTO FRUITION. FROM A CITIZEN, IT SOUNDS LIKE AN EXCELLENT, OUTSTANDING KIND OF THING.
HOWEVER, FROM A BUSINESS OWNER AND ONE OF 8 TO 10 RESTAURANTS AND BARS IN AND AROUND THE SQUARE, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A MASSIVE, DOMINATING COMPETITION, AND THERE'S GOING TO BE A NUMBER OF BUSINESSES THAT WILL FAIL AS A RESULT. OUR HOURS AT THE TAVERN, JUST SO YOU
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KNOW, ARE 11 A.M. TO MIDNIGHT MONDAY, WITH MONDAY OPENING AT THREE UNTIL MIDNIGHT EVERY NIGHT AND EXTRA HOURS SATURDAY NIGHT INTO SUNDAY MORNING TILL 1 A.M. WE OFFER FULL SERVICE BAR AND GRILL OPERATION CONCEPT TO OUR CUSTOMERS. I'M HERE TO EXPRESS MY CONCERNS ABOUT THE ICE. ICE OUT HERE. I'M GETTING IT TO OWL ICE HOUSE DEVELOPMENT. I AND MANY OTHERS FEEL THAT THE SQUARE IS FULLY SATURATED WITH RESTAURANTS AND BARS. THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WILL ADD APPROXIMATELY 400 TO 450 SEATS. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE SEAT COUNT IN SEVEN OF OUR DOWNTOWN RESTAURANTS, IT'S LIKE 449 IS MY ESTIMATION. SO LITERALLY IT'S LIKE DROPPING SEVEN OF OUR EXISTING BARS AND RESTAURANTS RIGHT ON TOP OF THE SEVEN THAT ARE ALREADY HERE. IT'S A BIG IMPACT. FORTUNATE SON, I THINK IS A GREAT AND WELCOME EXPANSION INTO THE SQUARE AT THEIR 150 SEATS OR SO, BUT THIS IS NOW TWICE TO THREE TIMES THAT ADDITION. AND I FEEL LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE VERY OVERWHELMING. IT'S ALMOST LIKE DROPPING A NEBRASKA FURNITURE MART INTO THE INTO THE SQUARE AND OVERWHELMING THE BAKER'S MAIN STREET FURNITURE AND DRIVING THEM OUT OF BUSINESS. SO THE SIZE AND CAPACITY, I FEEL, THREATENS ALL EXISTING RESTAURANTS AND BARS COMPETING FOR CUSTOMERS. THERE'S SO LITTLE LUNCH TRADE DOWN HERE AND DEMAND FOR LUNCH BUSINESS ALREADY THAT THAT WILL PROBABLY JUST TAKE PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING. THAT WITH EVERYBODY BEING EXCITED ABOUT THE NEW CONCEPT, IT'LL IT'LL PRETTY MUCH LEAVE ALL THE RESTAURANTS EMPTY AT LUNCHTIME ESPECIALLY. AND WHILE COMPETITION IS GOOD, I THINK OVERWHELMING COMPETITION CAN BE LETHAL. I'VE READ A STORY I'VE HEARD ABOUT THE SURVEY. I NEVER SAW THE SURVEY ABOUT WHAT WAS NEEDED OR MISSING IN THE SQUARE, AND I DON'T REALLY KNOW THAT IF WE REALLY SEARCH OUR HEARTS IS ANOTHER RESTAURANT AND BAR WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR? I MEAN, MAYBE WE NEED A KIDS EMPIRE. MAYBE WE NEED AN OFFICE, MAX. MAYBE WE NEED A ROSS DRESS FOR LESS. I'M JUST GRASPING BECAUSE I'VE ON HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO THINK ABOUT THIS SINCE I SAW THE POST ON FRIDAY, BUT I THINK A MASSIVE RESTAURANT AND BAR THAT'S GOING TO, YOU KNOW, FULLY COMPETE WITH EVERY SEAT THAT'S ALREADY IN OUR CITY AT THE SQUARE IS, IS REALLY TOUGH. I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE RFP. I DIDN'T KNOW I HAD GONE OUT, I HADN'T SEEN IT. AND I WAS CURIOUS IF WHEN IT WENT OUT, WAS IT IN THE OFFER TO PAY BACK THE PURCHASE PRICE, OR WAS T THAT ADDED SOMEWHERE DOWN THE ROAD AFR THE RFP WENT OUT? BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT NOT MANY PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED, AND THIS IS THE ONLY DEVELOPER THAT CAME FORWARD. HOWEVER, IF IT WAS TRULY DISCUSSED THAT YOU'RE GOING TO LITERALLY GIVE THE BUILDING AWAY, SELL IT FOR $750,000 AND PAY IT BACK FOR $700,000, I THINK YOU COULD HAVE HAD A WHOLE LINE AROUND THE BUILDING OF PEOPLE WANTING TO FILL OUT THAT RFP. SO THAT'S JUST MY SUPPOSITION, AND I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE BEEN THOUGHT ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY OF GETTING A $3.5 MILLION LOAN AND, AND BUILDING A CONCEPT MYSELF. BUT THEN ONCE AGAIN, I'M AGAINST THAT KIND OF DOMINATION. I'M GOING TO I'M ALSO JUST GOING TO NEED YOU TO SUM UP. YOU CAN JUST IF YOU CAN SUM UP FOR ME, LAST THING, THE PARKING SITUATION IS REALLY A CHALLENGE FOR ME. YOU KNOW, 450 SEATS, 50, 60 EMPLOYEES. WE'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, AT FULL CAPACITY, 500 PEOPLE. THAT'S 200 VEHICLES, 250 VEHICLES. THAT'S THE TOTAL COUNT OF ALL THE SPACES ALL THE WAY AROUND THE SQUARE ON ALL FOUR STREETS. THAT'S TOTAL. YOU KNOW, I KNOW THERE'S GARAGE PARKING. THERE'S PARKING, PARKING LOT FOR THE LIBRARY. BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY AFTER DARK, AND ESPECIALLY WOMEN AND LADIES, THEY DON'T WANT TO BE PUTTING THEMSELVES AT THAT RISK TO WALK FAR AWAY IN THAT IN THAT ENVIRONMENT. AND THE LAST COMMENT, THANK YOU, IS THAT I THOUGHT THE DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT CODE SHOWS THAT AN EXPANSION OF GROSS LEASABLE SQUARE FEET FROM BUYER TO SELLER, SELLER TO BUYER. IF THERE'S AN INCREASE, THEN THAT THE DEVELOPING PARTNER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ADDING ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES. SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE 90 600FT THAT ARE HERE NOW. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 13,000 SQUARE FOOT. SO YOU KNOW, WHERE'S THAT? HOW IS THAT GOING TO BE ACCOMPLISHED? THAT'S MY QUESTION. SO THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU SO MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. SECRETARY, YOU CALL OUR NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE. MISS ALICE OLDENBURG. OKAY. HELLO EVERYONE. I DO THIS IN 20 MINUTES. OKAY.SO IT'S A LITTLE SCATTERED. I HOPE NOBODY GETS INSULTED. WELL, OKAY. MY NAME IS ALICE OLDENBURG AND I AM THE OWNER OF TAVERN ON THE SQUARE, LOCATED IN THE DOWNTOWN GARLAND AREA. AND I JUST, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT TRYING TO OFFEND ANYBODY, BUT THIS IS LIKE A SLAP IN THE FACE TO ME.
OKAY? I, I WORK ON BULLET POINTS, AND I ONLY HAD 20 MINUTES TO DO THIS. OKAY? SO IT'S NOT AN ORDER. ALL RIGHT. MARKET SATURATION. THE ENTRY OF THIS NEW BUSINESS CAN LEAD ON.
AND I'M ALSO NERVOUS LEAD TO AN OVERSUPPLY OF SERVICES AND PRODUCTS DIMINISHING THE EXISTING. THE EXISTING RESTAURANTS WOULD MEAN DEBT BURDEN. MANY EXISTING BUSINESSES HAVE ACCRUED DEBT TO SURVIVE THE PANDEMIC FOR TWO YEARS. AND THEN WE HAD TO DEAL WITH THE CONSTRUCTION FOR TWO YEARS. WE HAVE TAKEN LOANS OUT JUST TO SURVIVE. THE INFLUX OF COMPETITION WILL MAKE IT DIFFICULT FOR US TO COMPETE AGAINST A MASSIVE RESTAURANT, PUTTING US AT RISK OF CLOSURE. SO IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE OFFERING SOMETHING DIFFERENT. IF
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I'M SELLING A BURGER, THEY'RE SELLING A BURGER. THERE'S NOTHING DIFFERENT THAT THEY'RE DOING THAT'S UNIQUE, LIMITED, LIMITED FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE. THE FACADE OF THE CITY REIMBURSES. BUSINESS OWNERS HAVE 50% BACK. WELL, THAT'S REALLY HARD FOR UNFEASIBLE FOR A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER WHO HAS ALREADY EXHAUSTED THEIR RESOURCES TO SURVIVE DURING THE PANDEMIC AND CONSTRUCTION. WHICH BRINGS ME BACK TO HOW WE CAN COMPETE. DISPARITY IN RESOURCES, WHICH THE CITY ALLOCATES THE FUNDS FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT AND BUSINESS. EXISTING SMALL BUSINESSES STRUGGLE TO SECURE AND NECESSARY FINANCIAL SUPPORT, LEADING TO FEELINGS OF NEGLECT AND FRUSTRATION. TRANSPARENCY. TRANSPARENCY. TRANSPARENCY ISSUES. AND I'M SHAKING. OKAY, THE LACK OF ACCESS TO THE REQUESTS FOR PROPOSAL PROCESS RAISES CONCERN ABOUT THE TRANSPARENCY AND THE FAIRNESS, AS ESTABLISHED BUSINESSES ARE LEFT IN THE DARK REGARDING OPPORTUNITIES THAT COULD AFFECT THEIR LIVELIHOODS. COMMUNITY. THERE SEEMS TO BE A DISCONNECT IN COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE CITY AND SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS, LEAVING MANY UNAWARE OF AVAILABLE RESOURCES OR OPPORTUNITIES TO VOICE THEIR CONCERNS. UNEQUAL TREATMENT THE CITY SUPPORT OF NEW BUSINESSES RAISES QUESTIONS ABOUT FAVORITISM OF WHETHER THE NEEDS OF A LONG STANDING COMMUNITY SERVING BUSINESS, AS ARE BEING OVERLOOKED. EMOTIONAL TOLL. THE FRUSTRATION OF THE CITY, OF SEEING THE CITY INVEST IN A NEW DEVELOPMENT WHILE IGNORING STRUGGLES OF SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS, CREATE A SENSE OF FRUSTRATION, LONG TERM STABILITY, SUSTAINABILITY WHILE NEW BUSINESS MAY EXPERIENCE INITIAL SUCCESS, THEIR LONG TERM VIABILITY IS UNCERTAIN. WHICH BASICALLY I'M SAYING THAT THIS THING HERE, MOST RESTAURANTS, IF EVERYBODY KNOWS, USUALLY FAILS WITHIN THE FIRST FIVE YEARS. SO IF YOU BUILT THIS THING AND IT DESTROYS THESE OTHER SMALL BUSINESSES AND THEN THIS FAILS, THEN YOU FAILED ALL THE WAY AROUND TO YOURSELF AND TO THE COMMUNITY. OKAY? THE RISK OF BUSINESS FAILURES, OKAY.EMOTIONAL AND FINANCIAL BURDEN. I CAN'T DO ALL OF THIS, OKAY? THE FAILURE OF A SMALL BUSINESS CAN DEVASTATE, AFFECT AND THE EFFECTS OF OWNER'S MENTAL HEALTH AND FINANCIAL STABILITY AND MAY FACE SIGNIFICANT DEBT AND LOSS AND PERSONAL INVESTMENT. THAT MEANS I'VE INVESTED EVERYTHING THAT I HAVE INTO TEARING DOWN THE SQUARE. AND RIGHT NOW, I'M REALLY THREATENED THAT I'M GOING TO LOSE EVERYTHING THAT I THAT I'VE WORKED FOR HARD. ALL THE BLOOD, THE SWEAT, THE TEARS THAT WENT INTO THIS BUSINESS. SO ANYWAY, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M AT. RESPONSE WHERE YOU ARE ON YOUR BULLET POINTS. BUT CAN YOU SUM UP FOR ME? OKAY, I WILL. ALL RIGHT. I WILL GO MORE INTO THIS.
BUT HONESTLY, I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THIS BREAKS MY HEART. YOU KNOW, IF YOU ARE GOING TO BRING IN A STEAKHOUSE THAT YOU KNOW, OR SOMETHING UNIQUE, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, LIKE, RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF BUSINESS AT THE SQUARE. EVERYBODY KEEPS THINKING LIKE WHEN THEY OPEN UP THE PARK, THEY THOUGHT ALL THIS BUSINESS WAS GOING TO COME IN AND IT DIDN'T.
YOU NEED TO FIND SOMETHING THAT WILL BRING PEOPLE TO IT. AND LIKE JOHN SAID, LIKE EMPIRE, I'M A GRANDMA. I GO TO FIREWHEEL, I'LL GO TO THE DALLAS ZOO, I'LL TAKE MY KIDS ANYWHERE THAT I KNOW THEY CAN HAVE ENTERTAINMENT. AND WHEN I DO THAT, I SUPPLY LOCAL BUSINESSES.
I TAKE MY KIDS OUT TO THE LOCAL BUSINESS AND BUY THEM LUNCH. AND I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I APPRECIATE IT. AND YOU, I NEVER WANT TO DO THAT AGAIN. YOU'RE WELCOME. ANYTIME. MADAM SECRETARY, DO WE HAVE ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS? NO, SIR. THAT'S ALL. I'M SORRY. THAT'S ALL. THAT WAS ALL. OKAY. THAT WAS ALL THE SPEAKERS WE HAD FOR THIS ITEM. SO NOW WE WILL OPEN IT UP TO COUNCIL DISCUSSION. AND JUST AGAIN, A REMINDER, WE ARE AS AS FAR AS WE ARE POSTED, WE ARE DISCUSSING THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AS PRESENTED. ANY MODIFICATIONS, ANY ANYTHING TO THAT TO THAT END WILL NEED TO BE HELD FOR THE EXECUTIVE SESSION LATER TONIGHT. AND THE OUTCOME OF THAT DISCUSSION WILL DETERMINE HONESTLY WILL DETERMINE HOW THIS ITEM MOVES FORWARD AS FAR AS TOMORROW NIGHT'S AGENDA. SO AT THIS POINT, I WILL OPEN IT UP TO COUNCIL QUESTIONS. COUNCIL MEMBER HEDRICK. THANK YOU. MAYOR, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MATT WATSON. IF HE'S AVAILABLE. MATT. YES, SIR. ONE QUESTION ABOUT YOUR FINANCIAL ANALYSIS.
YOU INCLUDED THE CITY INVESTMENT OF THE $765,000. WITH THE INTEREST ON THERE, HOW WOULD THAT CHANGE IF YOU INCLUDED THE SALES PRICE OR THE PURCHASE PRICE OF THE PROPERTY? $1.95 MILLION? SURE. I WENT THAT DIRECTION BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE WHAT WE WILL DO IS UTILIZE. SO WE ISSUED THOSE BONDS AND WE'VE BEEN EARNING INTEREST ON THAT. SO WE WILL UTILIZE THAT TO PAY THE CASH. THE REST OF THE CASH PORTION, WHEN WE DEFEASE THAT PORTION OF THE DEBT, AND THE TIF
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WILL ONLY BE OUT THAT $750,000 IN CHANGE. SO THAT'S WHY THAT WAS USED. BUT THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY COST LOSS BECAUSE THAT INTEREST EARNINGS IS BEING USED, COULD HAVE BEEN USED FOR SOMETHING ELSE. SO IF YOU WERE TO INCLUDE THE TOTAL PURCHASE PRICE, THAT PAYBACK PERIOD WOULD BE ABOUT 22 YEARS. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MAYOR. OKAY. COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS, I'D STAY THERE IF I WERE YOU. YEAH. YES, I NEED YOU, I NEED YOU. THANK YOU. MAYOR. GO AHEAD, MR. CITY MANAGER, WOULD YOU EXPLAIN THE RFP PROJECT PROCESS THAT WENT AHEAD OF WHERE WE ARE NOW? WOULD YOU GO OVER THAT AND EXPLAIN HOW THAT PROCESS STARTED, HOW IT WENT, AND WHAT WAS THE END RESULT OF THAT PROCESS, PLEASE? SURE. SO THAT PROCESS STARTED, LIKE I SAID, KIND OF SUMMER OF LAST YEAR, 2024. AND AGAIN, THE PURPOSE, THE REASON WE WENT THAT ROUTE IS BECAUSE WE WERE GETTING A LOT OF INQUIRIES AFTER WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY ABOUT POTENTIALLY PARTNERING WITH THE CITY TO DEVELOP THAT. AND SO WE THOUGHT OUT OF FAIRNESS, TO OPEN THAT OPPORTUNITY UP TO EVERYBODY AND TO PACKAGE OTHER DOWNTOWN CITY PROPERTIES TOGETHER. LET'S LET'S GO OUT AND SEE WHAT WHAT KIND OF RESPONSES WE MIGHT GET. NOW, I WILL SAY THAT AND NOT TO INTERRUPT YOU, WOULD YOU SPEAK ABOUT THE RESPONSES? WHAT WAS THE RESPONSES TO THAT INITIATIVE? SO WE RECEIVED NO FORMAL RESPONSES TO THE PROCESS TO THE RFP, RFQ. WHAT WE DID IS OBVIOUSLY THROUGH THAT. AND JUST TO CLARIFY AGAIN, FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, YEAH, THIS PARTICULAR ADDRESS AND SO SOME OF THE THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT TRANSPARENCY OF THAT, OF THAT RFQ. IT WAS ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. IT WAS ON OUR SOCIAL MEDIA CHANNELS. IT WENT OUT TO OUR WE KEEP A CORRAL OF EMAIL ADDRESSES FOR BUSINESS PROSPECTS AND DEVELOPER PROSPECTS. I MYSELF PARTICIPATED IN A PANEL IN DOWNTOWN DALLAS WHERE WE PROMOTED THE RFQ. THAT'S PRIMARILY WHERE A LOT OF THE LEADS WERE GENERATED. OUR DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT OFFICE, YOU KNOW, PURSUED IT AND ADVERTISE IT. SO IT WAS OUT THERE, IF YOU'RE I WILL SAY, IF YOU'RE NOT IN THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, YOU PROBABLY DIDN'T FIND OUT ABOUT IT. BUT OUR AUDIENCE IS DEVELOPERS, OUR AUDIENCE WAS DEVELOPERS. AND SO NO RESPONSES WERE RECEIVED. BUT WE DID MAKE CONTACT AND A LOT OF LEADS WERE CAME OUT OF THAT PROCESS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. NOW YOU NOW BACK TO YOU.WOULD YOU BRIEFLY WOULD YOU EXPLAIN THE PERFORMANCE REBATE PROGRAM AND HOW THAT YOU OR THE CITY MANAGER, ONE OF YOU JUST BRIEFLY EXPLAIN THE PROCESS AND HOW THAT WOULD WORK? IF YOU NEED TO BRING THE SLIDES BACK UP, GO AHEAD. SO FOR THE IT'S ITEM 4.02 FOR REFERENCE. YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT HOW DOES THE DEVELOPER GET BACK THE 740,000. YES. WALK THROUGH THAT PROCESS PLEASE. SO THE WAY THAT WE STRUCTURED THE CREATING AGREEMENT IS THAT IT WOULD HAPPEN IN TWO, TWO PAYMENTS, THE FIRST OF WHICH WOULD HAPPEN DURING CONSTRUCTION. AND THE SECOND I THINK MY MIC. OKAY, SORRY, THAT'S MY BAD. TOO MANY BUTTONS. GO AHEAD. SO THE 740 WOULD COME BACK IN TWO PAYMENTS, ONE DURG CONSTRUCTION AND ONE FOLLOWING CONSTRUCTION AFTER THEY GET A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR THE FOR THE USE. OKAY. SO TWO TWO PERFORMANCE PAYMENTS BASED ON ON THEM DELIVERING ULTIMATELY DELIVERING THE PROJECT. OKAY. THAT WOULD TOTAL THAT AMOUNT THAT WE SEE ON THE SLIDE. YES. THE 740,000 OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MAYOR OKAY.
COUNCILMEMBER DUTTON, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT AN RFQ AND THE PROCESS OF ALL OF THAT AND THE TIMING. SO MY QUESTION IS IF WE DID THE RFQ AND IT STARTED IN SUMMER OF 2024 AND WE STARTED TALKING TO THE TO DON DAY DECEMBER OF 2024, THAT'S ROUGHLY ABOUT SIX MONTHS. SO IS THAT A TYPICAL TIME FRAME THAT YOU WOULD WAIT FOR DEVELOPERS TO TAKE THE BAIT. SO THE ACTUAL RFQ PROCESS, THE RFQ WAS PUT OUT FOR ABOUT TWO MONTHS, MEANING IT WAS LEFT OPEN AND AVAILABLE FOR RESPONSES FOR ABOUT TWO MONTHS. SO ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS, THAT'S PROBABLY PRETTY AVERAGE.
WE ACTUALLY EXTENDED IT A COUPLE WEEKS AFTER WE DIDN'T GET ANY RESPONSES TO ALLOW FOR MORE
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TIME. AND DO WE THINK THAT BEING AN ELECTION YEAR AND THE WORLD KIND OF ZIPPED UP THEIR WALLETS FOR A WHILE WHILE WE WERE WAITING FOR THE ELECTION, THAT THAT COULD HAVE PLAYED ANY PART IN OUR LACK OF RESPONSES. WE DIDN'T HEAR THAT FROM ANYBODY. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY WE'VE CLEARED THE QUEUE. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM LOOK, OKAY, SO I HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ROOFTOP STRUCTURE. THIS IS OBVIOUSLY ADDING ON A SECOND STORY. AND I HEARD THE OTHER BUSINESSES WERE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE ALL WEATHER ROOFTOPS DUE TO REGULATIONS. SO I'LL I'LL TAKE THAT ONE FOR THE DOWNTOWN FACADE AND REVITALIZATION PROGRAM. TO QUALIFY FOR THOSE FUNDS. YOU DO HAVE TO. WE HAVE AN ARCHITECT THAT WE CONTRACT WITH TO REVIEW THOSE PLANS TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE, AND I'LL USE THIS TERM VERY LOOSELY, HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE MEANING THAT IT IT THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENT WOULD NOT THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, HISTORIC IN NATURE BY ANY MEANS, BUT THAT THE ARCHITECTURE IS NOT GOING TO KIND OF FLY INHE FACE OF WHAT THE ARCHITECTURAL INTEGRITY AND THE AND THE FEEL OF THE SQUARE IS. AND SO IF SOMEONE WERE TO APPLY FOR THOSE FUNDS FOR A SECOND STORY ADDITION OR ROOFTOP ROOFTOP DINING, THAT ARCHITECT WOULD HAVE TO SIGN OFF ON IT. IN THIS CASE, WITH THE OWL. OUR STAFF DID MEET WITH THE ARCHITECT, WHO KIND OF AT LEAST FIRST GLANCE, LOOK AT THIS. AND THEY SAID, IT'S A FULL ADDITION. THIS IS YOU KNOW, THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN KIND OF WHAT YOU SEE AS A SEASONAL ROOFTOP DINING OPPORTUNITY. THEIR THEIR INTENTION IS REALLY TO HAVE A FOUR SEASON SPACE THAT'S HEATED AND AIR CONDITIONED. OBVIOUSLY IT'S GOING TO BE OPEN AIR WHEN THE WEATHER IS NICE. WHEN IT'S NOT, THEY CAN CLOSE IT OFF. AND ARCHITECTURALLY, THEY'VE MADE IT LOOK LIKE IT'S A SECOND STORY, NOT JUST A ROOFTOP ROOFTOP TYPE OF OPTION. SO THE ANYBODY WHO DOESN'T WANT TO USE THE FACADE AND REVITALIZATION GRANTS CAN PURSUE AN EXPANSION, A ROOFTOP DINING OPPORTUNITY, WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE, AS LONG AS IT FOLLOWS THE BUILDING CODE. BUT IF YOU WANT ACCESS TO THAT FUNDING, THAT THROUGH THAT PROGRAM, THERE IS AN ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW THAT IS REQUIRED AS PART OF THAT. AND THEN WHOMEVER MIGHT BE GOING TOWARDS A ROOFTOP STRUCTURE, WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO USE THE DOWNTOWN FACADE AND REVITALIZATION PROGRAM TO DO THAT PROJECT, OR IS THAT NOT WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THAT PROGRAM? THEY THEY COULD IT WOULD JUST HAVE TO PASS THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW PROCESS. SO IT'S NOT THAT THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO IT, IT'S JUST THAT THEY HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH THAT PROCESS. THAT'S OKAY. YES, I AM GLAD TO HEAR THAT THEY'RE REVIEWING THE PLANS TO CREATE MORE OF A CONNECTIVITY TO THE PLAZA. I THINK THAT WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL SCOPE OF THE. THE WHOLE PLAN WAS TO CREATE A SPACE WHERE YOU COULD BRING PEOPLE FROM THE THEATER OVER FOR DINNER OR WHATEVER, PRE OR POST SHOW. AND, AND I'M REALLY GLAD THAT THEY'RE LOOKING INTO THAT, AND I'M EXCITED TO HEAR MORE ABOUT IT. THE $9.2 MILLION THAT WILL BE RE INFUSED INTO THE TIF IF THIS DEAL GOES THROUGH, WOULD TIFF NUMBER ONE BE ABLE TO PROGRAM THAT MONEY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE PARKING ISSUES THAT WE'RE HEARING ABOUT? OR MAYBE EVEN. ADD TO THE DOWNTOWN FACADE AND REVITALIZATION PROGRAM? WOULD WOULD THOSE FUNDS COULD THOSE COULD TIF NUMBER ONE MAKE THOSE FUNDS AVAILABLE TO DOWNTOWN EXISTING BUSINESSES TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS OR. YES, MA'AM, THAT WILL BE AT THE DISCRETION OF THE TIF BOARD AND THE CITY COUNCIL'S APPROVAL OF WHATEVER THEY BRING FORWARD AS A REQUEST. BUT YES, THAT IS THE INTENTION IS TO GO BACK AND SIMILAR TO HOW WE HANDLE ALL OF OUR TIFS AND DETERMINE WHAT THEY FEEL IS THE BEST USE OF THOSE FUNDS OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS TO THE LIFE OF THAT TIF. BUT YES, BUT PARKING COULD BE SOMETHING THAT THEY LOOK INTO ANYTHING WITHIN THE GEOGRAPHIC BOUNDARIES OF TIF. ONE. THAT'S GREAT TO HEAR. CAN I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT EXISTING BUSINESSES WOULD WANT TO DO, BUT COULD WE ASK BUSINESSES TO HAVE THEIR EMPLOYEES PARK AT THE GRANVILLE? THERE'S PLENTY OF LIGHTING ON THE WAY TO THAT FACILITY. IT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT[00:45:02]
THAT THE RESTAURANT OF THAT SIZE WILL PRODUCE A LOT OF VEHICULAR MOVEMENT. ALTHOUGH WE DO HAVE A DART STATION NEARBY, SO HOPEFULLY THAT WOULD ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO START. ANYWAYS, I AM GLAD TO SEE THAT. THAT THE EVENT SPACE PART IS REALLY BEING CONSIDERED. THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I REALLY WANTED TO SEE. I DID ALSO WANT TO SEE A DESIGN THAT WAS A LITTLE MORE IN LINE WITH THE MID-CENTURY 50S KIND OF FACADE THAT THE PLAZA HAS, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THAT THERE MIGHT BE A CONNECTIVITY TO IT. I KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING I CAN DEFINITELY THAT I CAN DEMAND, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT STILL. SO JUST PUT THAT OUT THERE. THANK YOU.MAYOR, ON THAT POINT, COUNCILWOMAN OR DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM. SORRY. OKAY. THE DRAWINGS THAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE ARE, WERE DONE BY THE ARCHITECT OF THE DEVELOPER. THEY'RE CONCEPTUAL. AND WE, PER THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE JONES, THE JONES FAMILY THAT ORIGINALLY SOLD US THE PROPERTY, THERE'S A PROCESS BY WHICH THE CITY, THE JONES AND THE DEVELOPER WOULD COME TOGETHER AND GO THROUGH A DESIGN PROCESS. AGAIN, THESE ARE JUST KIND OF THE FIRST FIRST TAKE PROBABLY GOING TO BE SOME CHANGES. AND WE'LL DEFINITELY LOOK AT THAT.
GREAT. THANK YOU. OKAY. COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS I'M SORRY I FORGOT ONE QUESTION IMPORTANT.
GOING BACK TO THE WOULD YOU GO BACK TO THE FIRST SLIDE. WHEN ALL THIS BEGAN. AND FOLLOWING THAT TIMELINE, WAS THERE ANY. INPUT INTERACTION, COMMUNICATION? MR. CITY MANAGER WITH THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS ASSOCIATION AT ANY POINT IN THIS PROCESS, DO YOU KNOW, ANDY, I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND GET YOU THAT ANSWER. I FIRSTHAND COULD NOT TELL YOU YES OR NO IN THAT REGARD, SO I CAN GET THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU. YEAH, I KNOW FOR THE MARKET STUDY THAT WAS DONE THAT WAS, THAT WAS WIDELY ENGAGED WITH GDBA AND THAT'S AND THAT'S THE JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THAT'S THE SURVEY. YES, YES. YEAH. I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT YOU SAID THE RFQ. MY MISTAKE. NO, NOT THE SURVEY. YES, YES I'M SORRY. YES THE SURVEY BUT I, I'D LIKE TO GET THE OTHER INFORMATION YOU WERE SPEAKING TO ANDY. JUST TO KIND OF CHECK THE ARCHIVES. AND I'D LIKE TO, TO HAVE THE ANSWER TO THAT, THAT QUESTION, YOU KNOW, AT WHATEVER PHASE IT OCCURRED AND, AND WHEN IT DID. I'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. VERY GOOD. COUNCILMEMBER. COUNCILMEMBER HEDRICK, SORRY FOR THE SECOND PUNCH IN HERE. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION REGARDING THE PARKING. I KNOW OUR DOWNTOWN PARKING CODE, SECTION 712 OR DEVELOPMENT SAYS YOU GOT TO EXPAND IF YOU'RE GREATER THAN THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT. SO I WAS WONDERING HOW WE LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT. SO IN THE IN IF NABEEL IS HERE, SHE MIGHT HAVE MORE DETAILS. BUT IN THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT THERE'S A CERTAIN AREA THAT IS THAT IS EXEMPT FROM ALL PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND THAT THIS PROPERTY IS INCLUDED IN THAT AREA. SO SIMILAR SITUATION WITH 500 MAIN STREET. FORTUNATE SON, YOU KNOW, BIG EXPANSION AND CHANGE OF USE. THE THOUGHT AND THE METHODOLOGY BEHIND THAT. THE PHILOSOPHY BEHIND IT IS THAT NONE OF THOSE BUSINESSES REALLY COULD PROVIDE ON THEIR OWN SITES ADEQUATE PARKING FOR THEIR USE.
AND SO THIS IS A SHARED PARKING AREA, FOR LACK OF A BETTER, A BETTER TERM, WHETHER IT'S AN EXISTING USE OR AN EXPANSION WITHIN THIS AREA, THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL PARKING REQUIRED ON THE PART OF THE DEVELOPER. OKAY. IS THAT AREA JUST FOR DO YOU KNOW IF IT'S JUST SURROUNDING THE SQUARE? I COULD LOOK IT UP, BUT I DON'T KNOW OFFHAND WHAT THAT AREA INCLUDES. YEAH, I DON'T KNOW. THERE'S MULTIPLE SUB AREAS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW, OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD. IF NOT, THAT'S OKAY. WE CAN GET THAT INFORMATION. BUT IN THE PRIMARY SUB AREA OF THE DOWNTOWN, IT'S WHICH IS COMMON IN MOST DOWNTOWNS, IS THAT IT'S DIFFICULT FOR ANY OF THOSE SHOPS TO PROVIDE THEIR OWN PARKING BECAUSE IT'S ALL, YOU KNOW, ON STREET OR PUBLICLY OWNED. SO BUT THERE ARE SOME SUB AREAS THAT MAY FALL OUTSIDE OF THAT. BUT I THINK THEY'RE KIND OF ON THE FRINGE OF THE CORE OF THE DOWNTOWN. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MAYOR. VERY GOOD. COUPLE OF QUESTIONS OR. SORRY I CAN'T WRITE AND TALK AT THE SAME TIME TO THE PARKING. I MEAN, THERE ARE, I BELIEVE, ABOUT 1300 PARKING PLACES DOWNTOWN. THAT'S EVERYTHING FROM THE STREETS TO
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THE LOTS TO THE GARAGES. AND THEN AS FAR AS THE SURVEY RESULTS, DO WE HAVE PUBLICATION OF THOSE? I HAVE A COPY. I ONLY BROUGHT ONE BECAUSE I WAS LOOKING AT IT EARLIER. BE HAPPY TO SEND THAT OUT TO COUNCIL. AND THERE WAS A IN SUMMER 2024. IT WAS THE I THINK IS THE FIRST MEETING IN AUGUST. THOSE RESULTS WERE PRESENTED AS WELL. SO I'LL SEND A LINK TO THAT VIDEO. AND YES, PLEASE DO THAT JUST SO WE CAN ALL SEE THE SURVEY RESULTS AND THE. WHAT THE INPUT WAS AND WHO WHO PARTICIPATED. ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL, WE'VE WORKED OUR WAY THROUGH THE QUEUE ONCE AGAIN. IF THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM, WE WILL COME BACK TO IT DURING EXECUTIVE SESSION.AND OTHERWISE I BELIEVE THAT CONCLUDES THIS ITEM. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. MOVING ON TO OUR
[2. Discuss Updates on the City-Initiated Rezoning Effort for South Garland Staff will provide updates to Council on the city-initiated rezoning effort for South Garland to encourage revitalization and urban mixed-use developments in the area.]
VERBAL BRIEFINGS. ITEM TWO DISCUSS UPDATES TO THE CITY INITIATED REZONING EFFORT FOR SOUTH GARLAND. THAT'S A MOUTHFUL RIGHT THERE.THANK YOU. MAYOR, THIS IS WE ARE HERE TODAY TO PROVIDE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF HEADS UP ON THE CITY INITIATED REZONING THAT WE ARE WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON. WE'LL SHOW YOU THE EXTENT OF THE SCOPE OF THE STUDY, BUT IT'S APPROXIMATELY 300 ACRES OF LAND THAT'S IDENTIFIED IN THE 635 SOUTH GARLAND, SHILOH ROAD, THAT GENERAL AREA. THE PURPOSE OF THIS REZONING IS TO OVERALL GENERALLY ENCOURAGE REDEVELOPMENT OF THAT AREA. IT IS RIPE FOR THAT. IT IS TO FACILITATE MORE URBAN STYLE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS, WHICH ENCOURAGES MORE DENSITY, HEIGHT, THINGS LIKE THAT, TO MAKE THAT WHOLE CORRIDOR VERY SIGNIFICANT. WE DO WANT TO WE WANTED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE USES THAT ARE GOING TO BE ALLOWED IN THAT AREA, AS IT'S GOING TO BE, AGAIN, ONE OF THE PATHWAYS, ONE OF THE GATEWAYS TO GARLAND. SO TO BRING IN THE OPTIMUM USES FOR REDEVELOPMENT WITHIN THAT AREA AND TO SET THE STAGE FOR MORE SITE SPECIFIC PDS, BECAUSE IT IS AGAIN, IT'S 300 ACRESES. WE'RE T DOING A WHOLE PD FOR ALL OF THAT. WE'RE SETTING THE STAGE SO THAT WHEN THE SITE SPECIFIC SITES ARE READY TO DEVELOP, WE ARE MORE READY TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS. SO GENERALLY, WHAT YOU SEE WITHIN THE TEAL OUTLINED AREA, THOSE ARE THE AREAS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED FOR THE SCOPE OF THIS REZONING. AS YOU COULD SEE, MAJORITY OF THAT AREA, THOSE AREAS ARE INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL COMMUNITY RETAIL. THERE ARE SOME PDS ASSOCIATED, BUT THOSE ALSO HAVE THE BASE ZONING OF EITHER INDUSTRIAL OR COMMUNITY RETAIL. AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S PREDOMINANTLY PURPLE AND RED. SO THE APPROACH THAT WE ARE TAKING FOR THAT IS TO REZONE, TO REZONE THAT AREA TO CURRENTLY AVAILABLE MIXED USE CATEGORIES. WE CURRENTLY HAVE URBAN, RESIDENTIAL AND URBAN BUSINESS. THOSE ARE OUR MIXED USE DISTRICTS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE IN OUR GDC. OTHER THAN A FEW POCKETS HERE AND THERE, WE DON'T HAVE TOO MANY PROPERTIES ZONED. YOU ARE IN UB, SO THIS WILL BE A BIG AREA THAT WILL BE KIND OF DESIGNATED WITH THOSE CATEGORIES. THERE IS A THOUGHT. THERE IS A CURRENTLY WE HAVE A DRAFT THAT HAS ADDITIONAL SUBDISTRICTS FOR THE URBAN BUSINESS DISTRICT TO DISTINGUISH DENSITY AND HEIGHT. SO ONE OF THE DISTRICTS WILL BOTH OF THOSE OR BOTH OF THOSE SUB DISTRICTS WILL ENCOURAGE HEIGHT AND DENSITY. BUT TO MAKE SURE ADJACENCY ISSUES ARE NOT CREATED, WE HAVE A PROPOSAL TO HAVE TWO SUBDISTRICTS FOR THE URBAN BUSINESS WITHIN THE URBAN BUSINESS CATEGORY. WE'RE ALSO WE HAVE LOOKED AT OUR USE CHART FOR U, R AND UB, AND WE'RE UPDATING IT TO MAKE SURE ONLY THE USES THAT WE WANT IN THAT GENERAL AREA, THE ONES THAT ARE APPROPRIATE FOR OUR VISION, THOSE ARE GOING TO BE ALLOWED WITHIN THE USE CHART FOR U, R AND UB. WE'RE ALSO MAKING SOME MINOR UPDATES TO THOSE DISTRICT CATEGORIES TO ENCOURAGE MORE PEDESTRIAN MIXED USE EXPERIENCE FOR EVERYONE. SO AGAIN, THIS IS A GENERAL DRAFT. SO UR3 IS U R URBAN RESIDENTIAL. FOR NOW YOU
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CAN IGNORE THE NUMBER THREE. FOR UB WE HAVE TWO SUBDISTRICTS, UB FIVE AND UB EIGHT. AGAIN UB FIVE IS CALLING FOR HEIGHT AND DENSITY. BUT UB EIGHT WHICH IS JUST THIS, THIS AREA HERE THAT IS GOING TO PRETTY DENSE AND HIGH INTENSITY OF DEVELOPMENT. WE'RE STILL KIND OF CONTEMPLATING WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO KEEP IT, OR WE JUST WANT TO HAVE A MINIMUM HEIGHT AND DENSITY AND JUST ALLOW NOT HAVE MAXIMUM THERE. SO THAT COULD BE AN OPTION WHERE WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE UB 3 OR 8, WE'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE THE WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, WHICH IS URBAN RESIDENTIAL AND URBAN BUSINESS. SO A LITTLE BIT OF CHALLENGE. WE ARE TRYING TO KIND OF PUSH IT FORWARD AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE DO WANT TO SET THE STAGE FOR REDEVELOPMENT CONVERSATIONS. BUT THIS IS A 300 ACRE REZONING SITE IF YOU LOOK AT IT THAT WAY. SO IT HAS A VERY LARGE NOTIFICATION AREA. SO THOUSANDS OF NOTIFICATION LETTERS WILL NEED TO BE SENT. SO WE ARE WORKING ON PREPARING ALL OF THOSE. THE OTHER A LITTLE BIT OF A CHALLENGE I JUST WANTED TO QUICKLY MENTION THAT IS THAT THE STATE REQUIRES THAT ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO BECOME NON-CONFORMING DUE TO THIS REZONING, WE HAVE TO SEND LETTERS SPECIFICALLY TO THEM. SO WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF IDENTIFYING WHAT THOSE USES WILL BE AND WHAT THEIR ADDRESSES ARE, AND WILL BE SENDING SEPARATE LETTERS TO THEM FOR THAT PURPOSE. TIMELINE WISE. YOU SHOULD BE EXPECTING TO SEE IT IN FRONT OF YOU IN THE MONTH OF APRIL, BUT WITH THAT, I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTION. I'VE BEEN KIND OF WORKING WITH SEVERAL FOLKS ON THIS. THERE IS A CONSULTANT INVOLVED, CODE STUDIO. I'LL TRY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. IF NOT, I CAN GET BACK TO YOU IN A LATER MEETING. VERY GOOD. ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? I HEAR BEEPING BUT THERE WE GO. COUNCILMEMBER HEDRICK. THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU FOR THAT. GIVE SOME OF THE ELEMENTS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THESE NEW SUB ZONING DISTRICTS THAT WOULD DIFFERENTIATE IT FROM WHAT OUR EXISTING ZONING UB AND YOU ARE IS NOT THAT MANY. ACTUALLY, THERE ARE ONLY A COUPLE AREAS WHERE WE ARE ADDING SOME SECTIONS THAT ENCOURAGE MORE PEDESTRIAN STYLE THINGS LIKE THE LENGTH OF THE STOREFRONT THAT WE WOULD EXPECT. SO THINGS LIKE THAT, AND MOSTLY JUST HEIGHT AND DENSITY. SO WE ARE PROPOSING PRETTY HIGH DENSITY FOR UB FIVE AND EIGHT FOR NOW. I ASSUME THERE'S SOME SIGNIFICANCE TO THE FIVE AND EIGHT DESIGNATIONS THERE. THERE THERE ARE THAT IS THAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED BY OUR CONSULTANT. I AM KIND OF CONSIDERING IT. I'M THINKING IT MAY GET CONFUSING. SO IN THE END YOU MAY SEE A DIFFERENT NUMBER THERE THAT WILL BE MORE OBVIOUS TO OUR CUSTOMERS AND DEVELOPERS. BUT JUST GENERALLY SPEAKING, RIGHT NOW YOU ARE THREE IS PROPOSING 30 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, UB FIVE IS 50 AND UB EIGHT IS 80, I BELIEVE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MAYOR. VERY GOOD, COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS, THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. DO DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA? IF NOT, I UNDERSTAND AT THIS POINT THE NUMBER OF BUSINESSES THAT ARE GOING TO BE THROWN IN THE NONCONFORMING. AND WILL THEIR LETTERS LANGUAGE BE DIFFERENT? AND CAN YOU SHARE WITH US HOW THAT WILL BE DIFFERENT? I JUST RIGHT BEFORE I CAME UP HERE, I GOT THAT LIST THAT MY STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING ON. I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER BECAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THAT, BUT IT THERE WILL BE A LARGE NUMBER OF BUSINESSES IF I TRY TO GUESSTIMATE. AGAIN, DON'T HOLD ME UP ON THAT. BUT AT LEAST 50, MAYBE 30 TO 50 BUSINESSES THAT MAY BECOME NONCONFORMING DUE TO IN SOME SOME SHAPE OR MANNER. YES. AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE JUST THE GENERAL NOTIFICATION AREAS. THOSE BUSINESSES WILL GET SPECIFIC LETTERS TELLING THEM THAT, HEY, WE'RE HAVING THIS REZONING, CITY INITIATED REZONING, AND YOU'RE GOING TO BECOME NONCONFORMING BECAUSE OF THAT. SO THEY'RE GOING TO GET THAT SPECIFIC LETTER. AND WITH THAT, WITH THOSE LETTERS CONTAIN FOLLOW UP CONTACT INFORMATION FOR THOSE THOSE BUSINESSES, BECAUSE I CAN ENVISION THAT YOUR PHONE IS GOING TO. YES. AND I JUST WANT TO BE SURE THAT THOSE FOLKS HAVE OR HAVE SOMEBODY TO COME TO. ABSOLUTELY. BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO REALLY TRIGGER.YES, SOME CALLS. ABSOLUTELY. AND WE'RE ALSO KIND OF COMING UP WITH A BIG SHEET WHERE STAFF,
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ALL OF OUR STAFF WHO ADDRESS DAY TO DAY QUESTIONS FROM CUSTOMERS, THEY WILL BE UP TO SPEED ON WHAT'S HAPPENING SO THAT I CAN ALWAYS ATTEND TO THEM. BUT IF THEY HAVE GENERAL QUESTION, HEY, WHAT? WHAT ARE MY OPTIONS? THINGS LIKE THAT. STAFF WILL BE PREPARED TO ADDRESS THOSE AS WELL. GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MAYOR. VERY GOOD, COUNSELOR DUTTON. SO HOW EXACTLY DOES IT AFFECT THE BUSINESSES THAT WILL BECOME NONCONFORMING? RIGHT NOW THEY CAN OPERATE AS IS. IT'S ONLY IF THEY WANT TO EXPAND. THAT'S WHEN THE NONCONFORMITY KICKS IN. SO RIGHT NOW THEY CAN OPERATE AS IS. SO THE ENTIRE PURPOSE OF THIS CITY INITIATED REZONING IS TO SET THE STAGE FOR FUTURE BIG REDEVELOPMENTS. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND FINISH UP HERE WITH DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM. LOOK.AND WHAT HAPPENS TO A BUSINESS THAT IS LEGAL NONCONFORMING. IF THEY CLOSE THEY HAVE 180 DAYS, SIX MONTHS TO COME BACK TO FOR THAT USE, NOT THAT SPECIFIC TENANT. BUT IF THEY DO NOT COME BACK WITHIN THAT TIME FRAME, THEN THEY'RE OUT. THEY CANNOT COME BACK WITH THAT USE ANYMORE.
THAT PARTICULAR USE. CORRECT. THANK YOU. OKAY. VERY GOOD. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? I SEE NONE. THANK YOU MA'AM. YEAH. MOVING ON TO ITEM THREREE. SCHOOL STREET ALALLEY
[3. School Street Alley Petition Project Staff will brief Council on the School Street Alley Petition Project process. Unless otherwise directed by Council, the Determination of Necessity item will be scheduled for formal consideration at the March 4, 2025 Regular Meeting and a Public Hearing for Levying of Assessments will be scheduled at the March 18, 2025 Regular Meeting for the School Street Alley Petition Project.]
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
IN THIS CASE, IF YOU'VE SEEN THE EXHIBIT, THERE'S ONLY ONE SIDE OF THE ALLEY THAT HAS PROPERTIES. THIS IS BECAUSE THE WAY THIS WAS ESTABLISHED IS THAT THE WAY THE ORDINANCE READS IS IT'S FOR DEVELOPED RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, AND THAT INCLUDES RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DUPLEXES AND TOWNHOMES AND EXCLUDES COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL AND MULTIFAMILY, IN THIS CASE, THE TWO PROPERTIES TO THE WEST SIDE OF THE ALLEY ARE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, AS WELL AS THE SINGLE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH. THE ONE LITTLE SEGMENT THAT YOU SEE THAT'S NOT HIGHLIGHTED IN THERE OF THE ALLEY IS ACTUALLY CONSTRUCTED ALREADY AND HAS BEEN EXISTING FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. SO WE'RE WE'RE CONNECTING TO THAT ALLEY AND EXTENDING. SO WHAT WE HAVE IS WE DID HAVE A SUCCESSFUL PETITION WHERE YOU REQUIRED 51% OF THE FRONTAGE, OR
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51% OF THE PARTICIPANTS HAVE TO SIGN THE PETITION ACCORDING TO THE ESTIMATED VALUE. AND MISS MORALES MORALES WAS ABLE TO ACHIEVE 100%, WITH ALL THREE PARTICIPATING. SO OVERWHELMINGLY SO. WHERE THE COUNCIL COMES IN AND WE CAN GO THROUGH A LOT OF OTHER INFORMATION ON THIS AND I WON'T BORE YOU WITH IT. BUT WHERE THE COUNCIL COMES IN IS THAT THE COUNCIL IS ASKED TO DECLARE A OR DETERMINE A NECESSITY FOR THE PROJECT TO MAKE IT A PROJECT, AND THEN ALSO ORDER A PUBLIC HEARING FOR LEVYING, LEVYING THE ASSESSMENTS FOR THE PROPERTY OWNERS. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING THE COUNCIL TO DO. TOMORROW EVENING IS BASICALLY THROUGH MINUTE ACTION. DETERMINE THE NECESSITY OF THE OF THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, AND THEN ALSO ORDERING A DATE, WHICH WOULD BE MARCH 18TH, FOR THE LEVYING OF ASSESSMENTS, AND THAT WOULD BE A PUBLIC HEARING ON MARCH 18TH TO BE CONSIDERED. THE RESIDENTS WOULD BE ALLOWED TO COME SPEAK EITHER FOR OR AGAINST. I WOULD HOPE THAT SINCE THEY ALL SIGNED, THEY WOULD BE FOR THE PROJECT AND THE ASSESSMENTS, AND THEN COUNCIL WOULD BE ASKED TO VOTE FOR LEVYING OF THE ASSESSMENTS AT THE FEBRUARY OR THE MARCH 18TH COUNCIL MEETING. SO AGAIN, THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION ON HERE. WHAT I DO WANT TO BRING UP IS THAT THIS QUESTION COMES UP QUITE A BIT FROM A LOT OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS, BUT PAVING AN ALLEY DOES NOT MEAN THAT SANITATION TRUCKS WILL NOT PICK UP THE TRASH FROM THE REAR. IT WILL MOST LIKELY STAY IN THE FRONT ONLY BECAUSE THE ROUTES HAVE ALREADY BEEN PREDETERMINED, AND JUST PAVING ONE ALLEY OUT OF MANY IN A NEIGHBORHOOD DOESN'T ALWAYS NECESSARILY MEAN YOU CAN PICK UP THE TRASH BEHIND THE PROPERTIES. SO I DO WANT TO MAKE THIS CLARIFICATION, BECAUSE THERE'S A MISCONCEPTION THAT PEOPLE THINK, OH, THEY'RE GOING TO PICK UP MY TRASH IN THE ALLEYS. AND I WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR THAT THAT'S PROBABLY NOT THE CASE IN THIS IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE AS WELL. I BELIEVE THAT'S THE MOST INFORMATION THAT I HAVE ON THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE. I JUST WANTED TO TELL THE COUNCIL WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BE A ROLE IN THIS, AND THAT WOULD BE TOMORROW NIGHT FOR DETERMINING THE NECESSITY, AS WELL AS ESTABLISHING THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 18TH AND THEN HAVING AND HOLDING THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 18TH AND ASSESSING THE PROPERTIES. WITH THAT, I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? I SEE NONE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. MOVING ON TO OUR LAST ITEM UNDER THIS[4. Public Safety Committee Report Councilmember Carissa Dutton, Chair of the Public Safety Committee, and staff will provide a committee report on the following items: School Traffic in Neighborhoods, Traffic Near Community Gathering Centers, and Public Safety Trends on Forest Lane. School Traffic Neighborhoods was referred by Deputy Mayor Pro Tem Lucht and seconded by Councilmember Dutton at the September 26, 2024 Work Session. Traffic Near Community Gathering Centers was referred by Councilmember Dutton and seconded by Deputy Mayor Pro Tem Lucht at the October 7, 2024 Work Session. Public Safety Trends on Forest Lane was referred by Councilmember Dutton and seconded by Councilmember Hedrick on February 12, 2025.]
SECTION, ITEM FOUR PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE REPORT. COUNSELOR DUTTON. READY? OKAY. SO THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE MEETING COMMITTEE HAS MET IN REGARDS TO SCHOOL TRAFFIC NEAR NEIGHBORHOODS AND AS WELL AS TRAFFIC NEAR COMMUNITY GATHERING CENTERS AND THE PUBLIC SAFETY TREND IN THE FOREST. FOREST LANE AREA. MITCH, DO YOU WANT TO COME HELP ME OUT SO I DON'T MISS THIS COMPLETELY UP. SO WE DID SPEAK ABOUT THE SCHOOL TRAFFIC IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS, WHICH HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO COUNCIL'S ATTENTION AT DIFFERENT CAMPUSES THROUGHOUT THE CITY. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE SPOKE ABOUT WAS, UNFORTUNATELY, UNLESS GISD WANTS TO CHANGE THE FRONTS OF THE SCHOOLS TO HAVE REDIRECT TRAFFIC, THERE'S NOT REALLY A WHOLE LOT THAT WE CAN DO. EXCEPT WE DID TALK ABOUT LIKE PARTNENERING WITH GISD, MAYBE LE SOME EDUCATION ON LIKE, HEY, LIKE THIS IS KIND OF HOW YOU DON'T BLOCK ENTIRE ROADS. HOWEVER, WE'RE NOT GISD, SO WE CAN'T MAKE THEM REALLY DO ANYTHING. AS LONG AS PEOPLE ARE OBEYING TYPICAL TRAFFIC LAWS.THERE'S IT'S KIND OF OUT OF OUR OUT OF OUR REACH. SURE. AND ON THAT ISSUE, CHIEF BRIAN WAS AT THE COMMITTEE MEETING. HE'S OUT OF TOWN THIS WEEK, ATTENDING HIS STATE MANDATED TRAINING. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS HE TALKED ABOUT, HE DID HAVE HIS OFFICERS GO ASSESS THE SITUATION. THERE WERE SOME SITUATIONS WHERE THEY COULD WRITE SOME TICKETS FOR SOME OBVIOUS VIOLATIONS. BUT ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WE RUN INTO IS SCHOOLS AND OLDER, SMALLER NEIGHBORHOODS AND EVERYTHING THAT GOES WITH THAT. ONE THING WE HAVE HAD SOME SUCCESS WITH OVER THE YEARS IS WORKING WITH THE ADMINISTRATION. GETTING WORDS OUT TO THE PARENTS. IS THAT ABSOLUTE? BY BY NO MEANS.
SO AS FAR AS PARENTS PICKING UP KIDS AND KIDS RUNNING A LOT OF DIFFERENT PLACES, WE HAVE HAD SOME SUCCESS WITH THAT. AND WHAT I THINK CHIEF BRIAN REMINDED TO THE COMMITTEE IS WE'LL CONTINUE TO TRY TO WORK ON THESE THINGS AND TRY TO AS THEY COME UP WITH THE DIFFERENT SCHOOLS. BUT A LOT
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OF THEM ARE SCHOOLS THAT WERE BUILT 60, 50, 60, 70 YEARS AGO. IN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE SMALLER, THINGS HAVE GROWN A LOT. ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IS IT USED TO BE NEIGHBORHOOD SCHOOLS, AND NOW KIDS HAVE CHOICE OF SCHOOLS. FAMILIES HAVE CHOICE OF SCHOOLS.SO THEY'RE COMING FROM A LOT OF DIFFERENT LOCATIONS, NOT JUST WALKING UP FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH USED TO HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, MANY, MANY YEARS AGO. SO CHIEF BRIAN ADVISED THAT HE WOULD CONTINUE TO HAVE HIS OFFICERS MONITOR THE SCHOOL LOCATIONS. THERE'S A HANDFUL IN PARTICULAR THAT WE HEAR ABOUT. EVEN BACK IN MY DAY, WHEN I WAS IN THAT OLD JOB AS POLICE CHIEF, THAT WE WOULD HEAR ABOUT AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH. AND THE BEST THING WE CAN DO IS TRY TO GET COMPLIANCE. IT DOESN'T ALWAYS WORK OR IT WORKS FOR A SHORT TIME. IT WORKS FOR A YEAR, THEN IT HAPPENS AGAIN THE NEXT YEAR. BUT GETTING GETTING THE PARENTS AND THE OTHERS TO UNDERSTAND TRAFFIC FLOW, HOW THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO COME IN AND OUT, THE DIRECTIONS, ALL THE DIFFERENT KINDS OF THINGS THAT GO ALONG WITH THAT. AND AGAIN, HE DID SAY HE WOULD CONTINUE TO HAVE HIS OFFICERS LOOK AND MONITOR EACH OF THESE SCHOOLS WHERE WHERE TRAFFIC CONGESTION OCCURS. BUT IT'S JUST A CHALLENGE. OKAY. SO ON THAT IS KIND OF NO CHANGE EXCEPT FOR, YOU KNOW, OKAY. WITH THE ADDITIONAL I HAVE SOMEONE IN THE QUEUE. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM, SO DID THE COMMITTEE TALK ABOUT NO PARKING SIGNS ALONG THE ROADS NEAR SCHOOLS DURING SPECIFIC HOURS? WAS THAT ADDRESSED AT ALL? IT WAS LIGHTLY. LIGHTLY. WE'VE WE HAVE A. THE MARSHAL'S OFFICE HAS A WHOLE LIST OF REGISTERED NO PARKING SIGNS THAT WE'RE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE AUDITING THOSE NO PARKING SIGNS THAT WE'VE GOT IN OUR SYSTEM. I CANNOT TELL YOU WHAT THAT SYSTEM IS CALLED, BUT IF THEY'RE NOT ON THAT SYSTEM AS A NO PARKING SIGN FROM THIS POINT TO THIS POINT, THEN THEY'RE BASICALLY OBSOLETE AND THEY'RE NOT ENFORCEABLE. SO THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THE MARSHAL'S OFFICE WAS GOING TO LOOK INTO. SO WE MIGHT WANT TO MAYBE CIRCLE BACK AROUND WITH THE MARSHAL'S OFFICE ON THAT SINCE WE HAD TO RETIRE. I KNOW THAT IT PROBABLY HASN'T, YOU KNOW, BEEN TOP PRIORITY OR, YOU KNOW, IN ANYONE'S FACE. SO THAT'S WE PROBABLY NEED TO CIRCLE AROUND ON THAT, THAT ISSUE WITH THE MARSHALS. OKAY. AND WHAT ABOUT LIKE, NO LEFT TURNS WHERE A LEFT TURN LANE INTO A PARKING LOT IS CREATING A PART LIKE A LOT OF CONGESTION.
SO I KNOW THIS WAS DISCUSSED A COUPLE OF TIMES IN COMMITTEE, AND I WAS ONLY THERE AT THE SECOND TIME THAT WE DISCUSSED IT, SO I DON'T REMEMBER THAT IN PARTICULAR. I KNOW WE HAVE LOOKED AT THAT IN BEFORE IN PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS, WORKING WITH OUR TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT TO SEE WHAT CAN WE DO TO TWEAK, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE SIGNAGE MAY BE, TO TRY TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THOSE THINGS. SO I KNOW THAT IS STILL A POSSIBILITY IN SOME LOCATIONS.
SO WE'LL GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT. THAT WOULD BE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE SCHOOL AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE STREETS AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS. I KNOW WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST. I JUST DON'T KNOW. I WOULDN'T AT THE FIRST MEETING. SO BUT I'LL FIND OUT IF THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE WE CAN DO IN THAT REGARD. SO OKAY. BECAUSE I KNOW I DO UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE, YOU KNOW, KIDS DON'T WALK TO SCHOOL ANYMORE OR PARENTS DROP THEM OFF, AND IT CREATES A LOT OF HAVOC WITHIN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WAS BUILT FOR THEM TO WALK TO SCHOOL. I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THERE ARE A COUPLE OF ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, ESPECIALLY ONE IN DISTRICT FIVE, WHERE THE TRAFFIC IS KIND OF OUT OF CONTROL SOMETIME AND I KNOW THAT IT'S A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME WHERE THERE'S PICKUP AND DROP OFF. IT'S LIKE 45 MINUTES TO AN HOUR TWICE A DAY. BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN SOMEONE HAS A DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENT OR NEEDS TO BE SOMEWHERE THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT BARRIER TO THEIR ABILITY TO EXIT THEIR HOME OR GET BACK TO IT? AND THEN HOW IS TRAFFIC AROUND SCHOOLS BEING MITIGATED FOR THE ELEMENTARIES THAT ARE BEING EXPANDED WITH THE BOND PROGRAM THAT GISD PASSED? I DON'T KNOW, THAT WAS PART OF THE DISCUSSION UNLESS IT WAS AT THE FIRST MEETING. BUT THAT'S SOMETHING TYPICALLY WHAT WOULD HAPPEN THROUGH OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND THROUGH THAT PROCESS, WE WOULD LOOK AT THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. SO WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR ITEM AT COMMITTEE, BUT I'M SURE AND I'LL CHECK WITH STAFF TO SEE AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THOSE NEW DEVELOPMENTS. IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S IN THE PROCESS, I WOULD I WOULD LOVE IF THE COMMITTEE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THOSE TRAFFIC MITIGATION PLANS FOR THOSE NEW DEVELOPMENTS, JUST TO I MEAN, JUST SO THERE ARE EYES ON THINGS, I DO REALIZE THAT THESE ARE TWO SEPARATE ENTITIES, AND GIS IS A GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY. SO THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT WE CAN DO UNLESS IT'S ON OUR PROPERTY.
SO IF THE STREETS ARE INVOLVED THEN WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF SAY SO THERE. SO OKAY I'LL BE HAPPY
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TO CHECK WITH THEM. GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANKS, CHRIS. OKAY. ANYTHING ADDITIONAL FROM THE COMMITTEE REPORT? ANOTHER ONE OF OUR TOPICS WAS THE TRAFFIC NEAR COMMUNITY GATHERING CENTERS. AGAIN, WE'VE REQUESTED NO CHANGE ON THAT. WE HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CHURCH THAT WAS IN QUESTION, AND IT HAS SEEMED TO GOTTEN WHAT HAS SEEMINGLY GOTTEN BITTER.WHATEVER I'M TRYING TO SAY, WE DID DISCUSS DOING MAYBE LIKE A YEARLY REMINDER TO THE PASTORS TO REMIND HIS PEOPLE LIKE, HEY, USE THE CROSSWALKS. SO, SO FAR, SO GOOD. IT'S FRESH ON THEIR MINDS. I THINK NOW THEY'VE GOT SOMEONE ACTUALLY ACTING AS A CROSSING GUARD TO KIND OF HELP THE SITUATION. SO COMMITTEE IS PRETTY SATISFIED WITH THAT. AND THEN WE SPOKE ABOUT THE PUBLIC SAFETY TRENDS IN THE FOREST LANE JUPITER AREA. WE DO HAVE A NEW MPO IN THAT AREA THAT IS JUST HIT THE GROUND RUNNING. SO WE'RE SUPER EXCITED TO BE WORKING WITH HIM. HE'S FROM A LITTLE ROUGHER NECK OF THE WOODS, SO I THINK THAT HE'S GOING TO DO FANTASTIC IN THIS AREA. SO WE'RE GOING TO ASSESS AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH WITH THAT AREA. AND HOPEFULLY WE CONTINUE SOME SOME UPWARD UPWARD TRENDS. ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE COMMITTEE? I WOULD SAY THAT I MEAN IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S A COUPLE OF ITEMS TO FOLLOW UP ON ON THE PARKING WITH THE MARSHALS. ET CETERA. THAT SOUNDS GREAT. AND THE SIMPLE THE FOR THE YEARS THAT WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH SOME OF THIS, THE SIMPLE FACT OF REMINDING THE CHURCHES OR WHOEVER, LIKE, WELL, HOW COME WE DIDN'T THINK OF THAT, YOU KNOW, TEN, 15, 20 YEARS AGO BECAUSE IT, YOU KNOW, TIME IT'S LIKE ANY ENFORCEMENT THING WHEN YOU BRING IT TO THEIR ATTENTION, THEY'RE ALL OVER IT. TWO MONTHS GOES BY, FOUR MONTHS GOES BY, SIX MONTHS GOES BY. AND I WOULD SUGGEST, YOU KNOW, MAYBE INITIALLY IT'S A SIX MONTH REMINDER BECAUSE BY THE TIME A YEAR PASSES. BUT THAT IS A VERY SIMPLE WAY TO ADDRESS WHAT WHAT THE ISSUE IS THERE. SO ALL THUMBS UP ON THAT OR ON IT. ALL RIGHT. SEEING NO ONE ELSE IN THE QUEUE. THANK YOU. THAT WAS THE LAST ITEM UNDER THIS SECTION. WE'LL MOVE ON TO CONSIDER
[5. Councilmember B.J. Williams Jordan Cotton -TIF #2 South Board]
APPOINTMENTS TO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMS HAS AN APPOINTMENT[ ANNOUNCE FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS A Councilmember, with a second by another member or the Mayor alone, may ask that an item be placed on a future agenda of the City Council or of a committee of the City Council. No substantive discussion of that item will take place at this time.]
TOMORROW NIGHT. AND THEN THAT BRINGS US TO ANNOUNCE FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. ARE THERE ANY ANY LET ME FINISH THE SENTENCE. ARE THERE ANY FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS THIS EVENING? COUNCIL MEMBER BASS. THANK YOU. I HAD THIS ON MY LIST AND MARGARET ALLUDED TO IT AS WELL. I WOULD LIKE, I GUESS, PUBLIC SAFETY TO LOOK AT DOWNTOWN THE SQUARE. I KNOW WE'VE DONE A PARKING ASSESSMENT ON THE SQUARE IN THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, BUT I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT LOOK AT DOWNTOWN PARKING AGAIN USING, YOU KNOW, WE GOT NEW DEVELOPMENT COMING IN, POTENTIALLY A, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER RESTAURANT SEATING 300 PEOPLE OR SO. SO I'D LIKE TO CONSIDER PUTTING TIME LIMITS IN PARKING AT THE SQUARE. I THINK THE CONTROL FACTOR ON THAT WOULD BE FOR THAT WOULD BE A WAY TO ENFORCE EMPLOYEE PARKING. SO IF YOU GOT 100 EMPLOYEES DOWN ON THE SQUARE, IF WE ENFORCE A PARKING TIME LIMIT, THEN IT'S GOING TO HELP THEM TO NOT PARK, NOT TAKE PRIME PARKING ON THE SQUARE. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, WE ALREADY DO FOR THE STREET PARKING THERE. WE DO HAVE A TIME LIMIT ON THERE. YEAH. IT'S IS IT JUST IS IT JUST OKAY I'M MONDAY THROUGH BUT IT'S ONLY MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY. IT IS NOT OVER THE WEEKENDS. BUT YES THOSE THE STREET PARKING ALREADY EXIST.I'M NOT THE CITY MARSHAL. HE DOES REPORT TO ME. I'LL SAY THAT WITH THE WITH THE TIME LIMITS IS ENFORCEMENT. WELL, NO, WE CAN ENFORCE IT. ACTUALLY, WE CAN ENFORCE IT. AND WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST AND WE'VE DONE AN EFFECTIVE JOB. BUT IT'S THE COMPLAINTS FROM THE ENFORCEMENT.
AND IT'S NOT JUST COMPLAINTS FROM THE CARS THAT ARE GETTING CITATIONS. IT'S WE WERE GETTING COMPLAINTS ON A CONSISTENT BASIS FROM THE BUSINESS OWNERS BECAUSE WE WERE TICKETING THEIR PATRONS AND THEIR CUSTOMERS. AND SO IT'S A IT'S A BALANCE, YOU KNOW, SO WE DO IT. WE, WE KIND OF DO ON A COMPLAINT BASIS NOW. BUT WE AT TIMES WE ALSO OCCASIONALLY GO BY AND ALSO DO SOME CHECKS AND WRITE SOME WARNINGS NOW AS WELL. BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT HOW WE'RE DOING THAT TO MAKE IT MORE EFFECTIVE, I GUESS. OKAY. BUT IT IS A IT'S A THREE HOUR TIME LIMIT UP TO A CERTAIN TIME. AND THEN AGAIN, IT'S ONLY MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY. IT'S NOT
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WEEKENDS. OKAY. OKAY. I'M SORRY I WASN'T AWARE OF THAT. ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, I HAVE NOTHING. ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL MEMBER. ART. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I'D LIKE TO FORWARD TO THE COMMUNITY SERVICES COMMITTEE TO STUDY AN OPPORTUNITY THAT HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED TO ADD MEDICAL SERVICES THAT WILL BE HELPFUL FOR ALL CITIZENS OF GARLAND.IT'S VERY VEXING. RIGHT. CAN I LOOK FOR A SECOND ON THAT? DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM LUCK. AND THERE WILL BE. THAT IS A AN INTERESTING WAY TO PRESENT THIS, BUT THERE WILL CERTAINLY BE MORE INFORMATION AVAILABLE TO THE COMMITTEE ON IT. YES, YES. AND DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM AS THE, AS THE SECOND ON THAT. ANYTHING ELSE SIR. THAT'S IT. THAT WAS THAT WAS A LOT. AND MAYOR PRO TEM MOORE THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE PARKS AND RECREATION COMMITTEE AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT WOULD GO IF IT EVEN EXISTS. BUT WORKING WITH THEM AS IT RELATES TO TRASH, ABUNDANCE OF TRASH THAT'S WASHING UP ON OUR SHORES AROUND THE LAKE RAY HUBBARD AREA. IT'S GOTTEN SO BAD THAT I'M GETTING PICTURES FROM FROM RESIDENTS. AND ANYTIME IT RAINS ANYTIME, ESPECIALLY THIS TIME OF THE YEAR, THAT TRASH BECOMES SO ABUNDANT THAT IT'S VERY DIFFICULT. AND WE HAVE SOME WAYS BY WHICH TO GO ABOUT DOING IT. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK AT IN THE WAY OF PUTTING SOMETHING INTO WRITING, AS FAR AS HOW WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO CONSISTENTLY LOOK AT IT. OKAY. I THINK WE CAN PROBABLY HAVE PARKS DEPARTMENT ADDRESS THAT, I GUESS. OR IS THAT OR DOES THAT FALL UNDER STORMWATER? I MEAN, IT'S SORT OF IT'S STORMWATER IN A PARK. SO I'M NOT SURE NOW IF IT IS PARKS BECAUSE FOR US WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO. WE DO. BUT THE ONLY REAL LAND THAT WE ARE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT NORMALLY IS THE LAND THAT WE CONTROL, WHICH IS INDEED OUR PARKS, JOHN PAUL JONES AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. BUT THIS TRASH IS JUST COMING UP THERE, COMING UP IN NEIGHBORHOODS BEHIND HOMES.
AND OFTENTIMES THOSE PEOPLE ARE EXPECTED TO BE THE ONES WHO KEEP IT CLEAN. AND IF THEY DON'T, THEN WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT VOLUNTEER WAYS TO GO ABOUT DOING IT. BUT AGAIN, I THINK IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT PRESENTLY ARE WAYS BY WHICH TO BEGIN TO GROW THAT SHORELINE, TO UTILIZE IT IN SUCH A MANNER THAT WE MAY BECOME AN AMENITY TO US. AND SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THIS ALL RIGHT, THIS IS SEEMS A LITTLE GETTING A LITTLE CONVOLUTED. I THINK WE MAY TALK ABOUT THIS OFFLINE AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT REPORTING OR.
I'M, I'M NOT SURE WHERE TO SEND THIS, TO BE HONEST. YEAH. I MEAN, WE CAN WE CAN BRING IT BACK AT A WORK SESSION. WE CAN HAVE PARKS HERE, WE CAN HAVE STORMWATER HERE. AND KIND OF LOOK AT THAT. OPTIONS. YEAH. IT'S SOMETHING OKAY. WE NEED TO LOOK AT. ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD.
ANYTHING ELSE UNDER FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. NO OBVIOUSLY THERE'S PROCESS FOR THOSE
[ EXECUTIVE SESSION]
THINGS. ONCE WE ADJOURN NEXT WE WILL MOVE TO EXECUTIVE SESSION. ITEM SIX, ITEM ONE OR THE CITY COUNCIL WILL ADJOURN INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO SECTIONS 5.5, 1.07155, 1.072 AND 551.087 OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE TO DELIBERATE OR DISCUSS THE FOLLOWING ONE. CERTAIN COMMERCIAL OR FINANCIAL INFORMATION THAT THE CITY HAS RECEIVED FROM A BUSINESS PROSPECT THAT THE CITY SEEKS TO HAVE, LOCATE, STAY, OR EXPAND IN THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT OF THE CITY WITH WHICH THE CITY IS CONDUCTING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS, INCLUDING THE POSSIBILITY OF THE CONVEYANCE OF REAL PROPERTY, EXCUSE ME, AND ATTORNEY CLIENT DISCUSSIONS RELATED TO SAME ITEM TWO A POTENTIAL OFFER BY THE CITY OF FINANCIAL OR OTHER INCENTIVES TO A BUSINESS PROSPECT, AND THE RECEIPT OF COMMERCIAL RECEIPT OF COMMERCIAL OR FINANCIAL INFORMATION THAT THE CITY HAS RECEIVED FROM THE SAME BUSINESS PROSPECT WITH WHICH THE CITY SEEKS TO HAVE, LOCATE OR STAY WITHIN THE AREA OF INTERSTATE HIGHWAY 635 AND SHILOH ROAD, AND IN THE AREA OF PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH TURNPIKE AND HOLFORD ROAD, WITH WHICH THE CITY IS CONDUCTING ECONOMI DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS AND ATTORNEY CLIENT COMMUNICATIONS RELATED TO SAME.AND ITEM THREE, A POTENTIAL OFFER BY THE CITY OF FINANCIAL OR OTHER INCENTIVES TO A BUSINESS PROSPECT, AND THE RECEIPT OF COMMERCIAL OR FINANCIAL INFORMATION THAT THE CITY HAS RECEIVED FROM THE SAME BUSINESS PROSPECT WHICH WHICH THE CITY SEEKS TO HAVE LOCATED WITHIN THE CITY, IN THE AREA OF GEORGE BUSH TURNPIKE AND BRAND ROAD, AND WITH WHICH THE CITY IS CONDUCTING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS. AND ATTORNEY CUSH AND ATTORNEY CLIENT COMMUNICATIONS RELATED TO SAME. THE LAWYERS HAVE BEEN WORKING OVERTIME ON THIS. SO WE WILL WE
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WILL TAKE A SHORT RECESS. LET'S HAVE EVERYBODY BACK HERE. WE'LL TAKE A TEN MINUTE RECESS. LET'S HAVE EVERYBODY BACK AT 735, PLEASE. WE ARE* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.