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THIS MEETING, THE[ NOTICE OF MEETING CITY OF GARLAND, TEXAS Administrative Services Committee Work Session Room of City Hall William E. Dollar Municipal Building 200 N. Fifth Street Garland, Texas MARCH 27, 2025 5pm ]
ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES COMMITTEE.UM, I AM MARGARET LUCK AND I'M JOINED BY COUNCILWOMAN CHRIS BEARD AND COUNCILMAN DYLAN HEDRICK AND VARIOUS STAFF AND SOME AUDIENCE MEMBERS TODAY.
UM, ITEM ONE ON THE AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.
ITEM TWO, WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
UM, I HAVE TWO SPEAKER CARDS AND, UM, THE FIRST IS DAVID MOREHEAD, IF YOU'D LIKE TO PLEASE STEP FORWARD.
AND ALL I NEED FROM YOU IS YOUR, YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS FOR PUBLIC RECORD.
I LIVE AT 34 0 2 BURNING TREE LANE, GARLAND, TEXAS IN COUNCIL DISTRICT SIX.
I SIT ON THE CITY'S PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD FORMERLY WITH MARGARET.
I ENJOYED EVERY MOMENT OF IT WITH YOU,
AND ONE THING I HAVE BEEN DOING IS, UM, PURSU USING MY POSITION TO PURSUE GETTING, UM, THE PUSH BUTTON ACCESS TO OUR REC CENTERS AND SENIOR CENTERS BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, HELPED PEOPLE GET IN AND OUT WHO HAVE CHALLENGES.
AS FOR MYSELF, I HAVE, YOU KNOW, VISUAL ISSUES AND I HAVE HELPED TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S AT LEAST ONE, UM, AUDIBLE CROSSWALK NEAR MY HOUSE TO GET TO GET ACROSS.
SO I'M ACCUSTOMED TO WORKING ON THESE ISSUES.
AND I THINK THAT HAVING A CITY BOARD THAT COULD FOCUS ON ISSUES OF SPECIAL NEEDS PEOPLE, AS I LIKE TO SAY, WE JUST NEED A FEW MORE TOOLS TO GET THE JOB DONE AND BE, IN FACT, I WORK FOR A COMPANY THAT HIRES THOSE OF US THAT ARE BLIND AND VISUALLY IMPAIRED, BUT THAT'S IN FARMER'S BRANCH.
SO YES, I DO BELIEVE THAT THE CITY, YOU KNOW, COULD BENEFIT FROM HAVING A BOARD THAT WOULD FOCUS ON THE ISSUES OF THOSE OF US THAT DO HAVE SPECIAL NEEDS.
AND I STRONGLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO EXAMINE IT CAREFULLY TO ENSURE THAT WE DO IT THE RIGHT WAY.
UH, THE NEXT SPEAKER I, SPEAKER CARD I HAVE IS FOR HEATHER BRYANT.
IF I COULD HAVE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS PLEASE.
I'M WITH THE ACHIEVEMENT CENTER OF TEXAS AT 3 0 6 NORTH BARNES DRIVE IN DISTRICT SIX.
AND I'M JUST HERE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM, THIS, THE NEEDS OF THE DIFFERENT NEEDS OF SOME OF OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
UM, OUR PROGRAM IS BASED OUT IN THE COMMUNITY LOT, SO WE'RE SEEING THE, THE ACCESSIBILITY AND THE INCLUSION OPTIONS THAT COULD BE THERE.
AND WHILE I'M NOT CERTAIN THAT WE NEED A WHOLE COMMITTEE BASED ON DETERMINING WHAT NEEDS WOULD HELP, UM, I DEFINITELY THINK THAT THERE SHOULD BE AN INCLUSION MAYBE DIRECTOR OR SOMETHING THAT CAN BE ON YOUR REGULAR COMMITTEE THAT CAN HELP, YOU KNOW, SPEAK UP FOR THOSE THAT WOULD HAVE DIFFERENT NEEDS.
WE'RE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE A WHOLE SEPARATE COMMITTEE FOR THAT, BUT I DEFINITELY THINK HAVING SOMEBODY DESIGNATED TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE DIFFERENT NEED COMMUNITY WOULD BE BENEFICIAL.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING.
UH, DO WE HAVE ANY MORE SPEAKERS? NO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
UM, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM THREE A, ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION, DISCUSS BOARD AND COMMISSION ENGAGEMENT.
SO, UM, COMMITTEE, THERE WAS A VERY LARGE BINDER WE WERE GIVEN TO REVIEW.
I, UM, I PERSONALLY DID NOT GET THROUGH THE WHOLE THING AND I'M
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HAVE PHILUH, SO, SO DON'T HAVE, UH, NECESSARILY A FORMAL PRESENTATION.
UH, JUST WANTED TO, UH, SEE IF THERE WAS ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT WAS NEEDED BEYOND THE, UH, THE BINDERS THAT HAVE BEEN PROVIDED.
UH, ONE THING THAT I, THAT I CAN TELL YOU WHETHER SOME OF THE BOARD AND COMMISSIONS THAT, UM, THAT I, UH, PERSONALLY INTERACT WITH, UH, AND I'LL, I'LL UTILIZE THE, UH, COMMUNITY MULTICULTURAL COMMISSION AS A, UH, A SPECIFIC EXAMPLE.
UH, THEY WERE ASKING FOR SOME SHORT TERM GOALS OF WHAT THEY WANTED TO ACCOMPLISH AS AN ORGANIZATION.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY CAME, UH, CAME UP WITH WAS TO, UH, REACH OUT TO ALL OF THEIR, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT APPOINTED THEM OR REACH OUT TO THEIR COUNCIL MEMBER THAT APPOINTED THEM.
SO I'M NOT SURE IF THEY'VE DONE THAT TO, UH, AT THIS POINT.
THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS PART OF A DISCUSSION AT THEIR MEETING LAST WEEK.
BUT, UM, THAT IS, UH, SOMETHING THAT SEEMS LIKE AT LEAST THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ARE INTERESTED IN, IN FURTHER DIALOGUING WITH THEIR COUNCIL MEMBERS AND SEEING WHAT, UH, THE GOALS THE COUNCIL MEMBERS MAY HAVE FOR THEM AS WELL.
SO, JUST, JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT.
AND, UH, I KNOW WE THREW A LOT OF INFORMATION AT YOU AT, UH, AT ONE TIME.
UH, OUR CITY SECRETARY, JENNIFER STUBBS, UH, AND HER TEAM PUT THIS BINDER TOGETHER.
SO IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, PLEASE REACH OUT TO HER.
I, AND WE CAN DEFINITELY, UH, HELP YOU WITH WHATEVER YOU MAY NEED.
UM, COMMITTEE MEMBERS, AS YOU GO THROUGH THE BINDER, UM, JUST KEEP IN MIND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE MENTIONED LAST TIME, UH, THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE VOCALIZED THAT THEY WANT MORE INTERACTION WITH COUNCIL.
UM, UH, ONE, ONE ANOTHER THING THAT I KIND OF WANTED TO PUT IN YOUR MIND IS DO WE WANT TO, AS WE GO THROUGH THE, THE BYLAWS FOR EACH BOARD AND COMMISSION, DO WE WANT TO KIND OF HAVE A TEMPLATE THAT ALL OF THEM FOLLOW? OR DO YOU WANT TO MAKE IT SPECIFIC TO EACH BOARD AND COMMISSION? UM, JUST KIND OF KEEP THAT IN MIND AS YOU'RE GOING THROUGH AND, AND READING THESE THOUSAND PAGES.
I, I'VE MADE IT THROUGH DETAILED ABOUT HALF THE BINDER THAT'S, I HAVEN'T GOTTEN, BUT THE ONE THING I AM SEEING CONSISTENTLY IS THAT THE BYLAWS ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM ONE COMMITTEE TO ANOTHER.
SO I, THAT WAS ONE OF MY NOTES THAT I MADE, IS THAT COULD THERE BE SOME CONSISTENCY IN THE BYLAWS? AND THEN, I MEAN, YOU CAN ADD IN SPECIFICS TO THAT BOARD.
BUT, AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT I FOUND IS THAT IT SPECIFICALLY STATES IN EVERY ONE OF THE BYLAWS THAT THOSE COMMITTEES WILL FOLLOW ROBERT'S ROBERT'S RULE OF ORDER, AND THE COUNCIL IS NOT REQUIRED TO FOLLOW ROBERT'S RULE OF ORDER.
SO IT SEEMED A LITTLE STRANGE THAT WE WERE MAKING OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS BE A LITTLE MORE STRINGENT THAN WE WERE REQUIRING OURSELVES TO BE.
SO THOSE WERE MY TWO THINGS THAT I DID SEE THAT WAS CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT.
NOW, THERE'S SOME VERY, SOME, THERE'S SOME INDIVIDUAL LITTLE SPECIFIC TWEAKS THAT I FOUND, BUT SOMETHING THAT WAS CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT IS THAT THE BYLAWS ARE NOT CONSISTENT, AND THAT MAKES IT KIND OF DIFFICULT.
IF SOMEBODY'S BEEN ON ONE BOARD FOR A WHILE AND THEY SWITCH TO ANOTHER BOARD, LIKE I SAID, I CAN SEE HAVING A COUPLE OF PARAGRAPHS OR SOME BULLET POINTS THAT'S SPECIFIC TO THAT BOARD.
BUT THE GENERAL RULES SHOULD BE THE SAME FOR EVERYBODY.
UM, I JUST WANNA MENTION, WE'VE BEEN JOINED BY COUNCILWOMAN DENTON, SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT YOU'D LIKE TO CHIME IN ON, PLEASE FEEL FREE.
COUNCILMAN HEDRICK, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? YEAH, I WAS MORE FOCUSED ON THE REPORTING OF THESE BOARD AND COMMISSIONS TO COUNCIL.
I'D LIKE TO SET UP SOME KIND OF ANNUAL SCHEDULE WHERE THEY CAN COME IN AND ONCE A MONTH OR SOMETHING, MAYBE ON THE FIRST WORK SESSION OF THE MONTH OR WHATEVER THE SCHEDULE MAY BE.
I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO GET THAT ON A CALENDAR AND, AND HAVE THEM REPORT TO US.
UM, I THINK ALL OF US ARE IN FAVOR OF THAT HAPPENING.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA SEPARATE THAT ITEM AND LET THEM START NOW.
I I, IT WILL TAKE AN ENTIRE YEAR FOR ALL OF THEM TO REPORT TO COUNCIL.
SO, UM, IF I THINK THE SOONER SOMETHING LIKE THAT CAN START THE BETTER.
SO MAYBE WE COULD REPORT THAT OUT, NOT THIS WORK SESSION.
OBVIOUSLY, THERE ARE SOME THAT DON'T NEED TO REPORT, PLAN COMMISSION DOESN'T NEED TO REPORT NECESSARILY.
ALL THEIR ITEMS COME TO US FORMALLY THROUGH ZONING CASES, WHATEVER.
LET'S GET THAT PART MOVED UP TO COUNCIL AND HAVE 'EM AGREE AND START THAT CYCLE NOW.
BUT IT, IT MAY BE BENEFICIAL TO ACTUALLY HAVE THE PLAN COMMISSION COME IN AND SAY, YOU KNOW, THERE, WE'VE, WE'VE SEEN A, WE'VE SEEN IT SEVERAL TIMES THAT
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THE PLAN, COMMISSION AND COUNCIL VOTE OPPOSITE OF ONE ANOTHER.AND SINCE WE'RE TOTALLY OPPOSITE ON THE COMPASS, THAT A BAD THING THOUGH, BECAUSE THERE'S DIFFERENT CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO MORE POLITICAL CONSIDERATIONS.
AND WHEN THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE BEST LAND USE NECESSARILY.
SO I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE ONCE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS FINISHED, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT, UH, WE COULD MEET WITH THEM REGULARLY FOR, I DON'T KNOW, UM, JUST ONCE A YEAR, LIKE WHERE THEY JUST CHECK IN AND, 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, LIKE WE'VE, WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS BEFORE ABOUT HOW SOME PROCEDURES JUST AREN'T LOGICAL, ESPECIALLY LIKE FROM LIKE THE BUILDER AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT THEY SEE THAT AREN'T WORKING OR THAT MIGHT NEED TWEAKED THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE AN UPDATE MEETING.
I, AND ALSO, WE COULD JUST ASK THEM IF THEY WANT TO, AND BECAUSE IT WOULD BE THE CHAIR THAT DOES IT.
SO WE, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO GET FEEDBACK FROM THE CHAIR ON THAT.
UM, BUT I, AND THEN I GUESS THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, AND I THINK THERE'S ONE OTHER BOARD THAT REALLY IS MANDATED BY STATE LAW, SO WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY PURVIEW OVER THEM ANYWAYS.
BUILDING UNIFIED BUILDING STANDARDS, UNIFIED BUILDING STANDARDS.
SO THOSE, THOSE TWO WOULDN'T BE REPORTING ANYWAYS.
I, I MEAN, THERE'S NO REASON TO, THEY KIND OF STANDALONE.
THEY COULD STILL GIVE AN UPDATE ON WHAT, WHAT THEY'VE DONE.
I MEAN, 'CAUSE I COULDN'T TELL YOU WHAT THEY DO.
I COULDN'T TELL YOU WHAT THEY'VE DONE FOR THE YEAR.
SO I THINK LIKE IF WE HAD A STANDARD, LIKE AT LEAST EACH COMMITTEE COMES IN JUST A BRIEFING OF LIKE, THIS IS WHAT OUR YEARS LOOKED LIKE.
THIS IS, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL BECAUSE OTHERWISE, LIKE WHEN IS THE LAST TIME YOU HEARD FROM ANYONE ON THAT BOARD? PROBABLY NOT OFTEN.
WELL, UNIFIED BUILDING STANDARDS HASN'T MET IN LIKE, TWO YEARS OR MORE.
BUT
SO, UM, I, I MEAN, IF, WOULD THE COMMITTEE BE HAPPY WITH GOING AHEAD AND REPORTING THAT PART OF THE ITEM? SO, UM, AT THE NEXT POSSIBLE COUNCIL MEETING, NOT THIS ONE, I GUESS THE NEXT ONE BE THE FOURTH.
UM, WE'LL REPORT OUT THAT WE WOULD LIKE FOR, UH, COUNCIL TO DECIDE WHETHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS COME AND VISIT EVERY WORK SESSION TO GIVE US AN UPDATE.
WE'LL MAKE SURE IT'S REPORTED OUT.
UH, IF I MAY MAKE ONE, UH, COMMENT ON, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BEARD'S, UH, UH, DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, THE BYLAWS MM-HMM
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING, UH, FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO FOCUS IN ON.
UM, I, I, I WILL TELL YOU, AND IF, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE INTERCHANGEABLE, IF I'M ON VACATION AND ANDY'S COVERING FOR ME ON A BOARD, UH, IT DOES MAKE IT CHALLENGING FOR US TO, UH, MANAGE A BOARD IF THEIR, THEIR BYLAWS ARE DIFFERENT, IF THEIR AGENDAS ARE DIFFERENT OR HOW THEY'RE HANDLING THINGS ARE DIFFERENT.
SO, UH, SOME UNIFORMITY FOR, ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE THAT CAN HAVE UNIFORMITY.
AND THEN WE'VE GOT, UH, P AND Z AND SOME OF THE OTHERS THAT ARE, ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
BUT, UH, THAT, THAT UNIFORMITY WOULD DEFINITELY HELP THE STAFF FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE AS WELL.
UM, I WOULD LIKE COMMITTEE MEMBERS TO ALSO CONSIDER AS YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THEM, UM, SINCE WE DON'T HAVE TERM LIMITS ON BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, UM, WHEN I WAS ON THE PARKS BOARD, WE FOUND IT BENEFICIAL TO, UH, ACTUALLY HAVE ROTATING CHAIR POSITIONS, CHAIR, CO-CHAIR, OR VICE CHAIR.
AND, UH, THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL BECAUSE IT, IT HELPED ROTATE ROLES AROUND.
AND, UM, SO CONSIDER THAT WHILE YOU'RE READING ALSO PLEASE, SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE BYLAWS SAY THAT SOMEBODY WILL BE ELECTED ANNUALLY.
UM, THEY, MOST OF THEM SAY, WELL, ALL OF THEM SAY THAT I'VE GOT, THAT I CAN REMEMBER IS THAT THEIR TERM COINCIDES WITH THEIR COUNCIL MEMBER.
BUT I KNOW THAT I'VE APPOINTED COUNCIL BOARD AND COMMISSION PEOPLE THAT WERE ON, THAT WERE PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEMBERS APPOINTEES.
SO YEAH, THERE'S NO, WE'VE GOT PEOPLE ON BOARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ON THE SAME BOARD FOR 20 YEARS.
BUT IT, I THINK THAT THAT, UH, SUBJECT HAS BEEN BROACHED SEVERAL TIMES BY COUNCIL THROUGHOUT THE YEARS.
AND PRETTY MUCH EVERY TIME IT'S ENDED UP THAT WE DON'T WANNA CHANGE OR THAT THEY DIDN'T WANNA CHANGE THAT, UM, I TOO AM IN FAVOR OF TERM LIMITS.
HOWEVER, I DO ON A BOARD AND COMMISSION, THERE IS A, UH, THERE IS A GRAVITY TO SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME.
THEY HAVE SOME HISTORY AND KNOWLEDGE THAT NEW MEMBERS OR PEOPLE THAT HAVEN'T LIVED IN GARLAND FOR A LONG TIME HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, THAT NOBODY ELSE KNOWS.
SO, SO THERE'S, THERE IS A LOT OF, UM, VALUE
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TO HAVING A BOARD MEMBER THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR A WHILE.UM, THAT'S WHY I THINK ROTATING THOSE POSITIONS SO THAT YOU DON'T GET A CHAIR POSITION STUCK SOMEWHERE FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
UM, AND EVERYBODY KIND OF GETS THE, THE CHANCE TO PARTICIPATE.
UM, AND WE'LL DISCUSS ALL THIS AGAIN, AND IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS OR THOUGHTS WHERE YOU WANT US TO KIND OF FOCUS ON SPEAK NOW OR FOREVER HOLD YOUR PEACE.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT NEXT TIME.
MOVING ON TO ITEM THREE B, CITY ORDINANCE RELATED TO CHICKENS.
I WILL THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT, UH, CHICKENS.
I GOT TO, UH, BROADEN MY KNOWLEDGE, UH, ON THIS AND ALSO, UH, CONNECT WITH MY ANIMAL SERVICES TEAM TO, UH, TO FURTHER RESEARCH THIS.
AND ALSO WORKED WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ON THIS.
UH, WE DISCUSSED AT THE LAST MEETING, UH, POTENTIAL AMENDMENTS TO THE EXISTING ORDINANCE, WHICH STATES YOU CAN HAVE, UH, FOUR, UH, CHICKENS.
UM, AND WHAT WE'VE, UH, WE'VE FOUND ARE TWO THINGS THAT WE WANT TO SHARE.
UH, THERE IS A CODE AND I'VE, UM, IF I CAN GET AN EXTRA COPY, TURN MY HANDWRITING ON THAT ONE.
UH, THE, THE ITEM ON TOP, UH, IS, IS FROM THE STATE'S AGRICULTURE CODE.
AND, UH, ESSENTIALLY WHAT IT'S SAYING IS THAT THE CITIES DON'T, UH, HAVE THE ABILITY TO LIMIT, UH, CHICKENS BASICALLY BEING, UH, IN A, IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
AND SO, UM, WHAT WE WOULD SUGGEST IS THAT WE, UM, NOT NECESSARILY MAKE CHANGES TO OUR ORDINANCE AT THIS TIME.
AND IT'S REALLY GOING TO BE TWOFOLD.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, UM, THIS AGRICULTURE CODE, IT, IT STATES THAT A CITY CAN MAKE CHANGES TO LIMITING, UH, UM, LIVESTOCK OR, OR AGRICULTURE ANIMALS AS IT RELATES TO, UH, THE CITY.
BUT THERE HAS TO BE EITHER A CITY HEALTH OFFICIAL OR A CONSULTANT COME IN AND STATE THAT, UH, THERE'S A, A THREAT TO THE CITY BECAUSE OF THE, THE, THE CHICKENS OR THE ANIMALS.
AND THE THREATS ARE HIGHLIGHTED HERE.
UH, IT COULD BE EXPLOSION, FLOODING, UH, INFESTATION OF VERMIN OR INSECTS, PHYSICAL INJURY, UM, UH, CONTAGIOUS DISEASES BEING SPREAD.
UH, BUT REALLY WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO IS INTO, TO MAKE ANY TYPE OF ADJUSTMENT.
IT COMES DOWN TO HAVING EITHER THE CITY'S HEALTH OFFICIAL OR A CONSULTANT STATE THAT, UH, THAT CHICKENS WOULD, WOULD MEET THESE, THESE CRITERIA HERE.
AND SO, UH, WE WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE, WE NOT MAKE ANY CHANGES AT THIS POINT, UH, MOSTLY BECAUSE OF THE NEXT STEP.
UH, AND THIS IS THE THIRD PAGE THAT YOU HAVE.
THERE'S A BILL, AND IN VISITING WITH OUR, UH, LEGISLATIVE DIRECTOR THAT'S DOWN, UH, IN AUSTIN, UH, AERIAL, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GETTING SOME TRACTION THAT THE STATE WILL, UH, SUPERSEDE ANY ORDINANCE THAT, THAT WE HAVE.
AND IT'LL ALSO, UH, MAKE, UM, AMENDMENTS TO, UH, THE, THE AGRICULTURE CODE, OR NOT NECESSARILY AMENDMENTS TO THE AGRICULTURE CODE, BUT FURTHER DEFINE WHAT CAN BE DONE THROUGH THE, THROUGH, UH, THROUGH CODE.
UH, BUT THIS NEW, UH, BILL THAT'S, UH, IN MOTION, UH, WOULD ALLOW, UH, SIX CHICKENS PER HOME.
AND IT WOULD ALSO GIVE CITIES THE ABILITY, UH, TO PROHIBIT BREEDING OF, OF POULTRY AT HOMES.
UH, IT WOULD ALSO PROHIBIT, UH, THE KEEPING OF ROOSTERS IN HOMES, WHICH THE CODE NOW DOES NOT ALLOW FOR US TO DO.
UH, AND I THINK ONE THING THAT'S A BENEFIT FOR CITIES IS THAT IT, IT ALSO CAN ALLOW A CITY TO PROVIDE A MINIMUM DISTANCE, UH, THAT, UH, A, UH, COOP CAN BE FROM A, A RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO, TO DO NOW.
SO, UM, FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE NOT MAKE ANY CHANGES AND FOLLOW THIS BILL.
UH, SOMETHING THAT WE MAY DO AS A COMMITTEE AND REPORT OUT TO THE, THE COUNCIL IS, IS COME OUT IN SUPPORT OF THIS BILL.
IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE COMMITTEE, UH, IS IN SUPPORT OF, OF GIVING THE, THE CITY A LITTLE BIT MORE AUTHORITY AT THIS POINT OF, OF, UH, LIMITING THE, UH, CHICKENS TO, TO SIX, ALLOWING, UM, THERE TO BE A MINIMUM DISTANCE THAT THE COOPS CAN BE FROM, FROM A HOME AND THEN NOT ALLOWING ROOSTERS WITHIN THE CITY.
SO WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER, UH, ANY QUESTIONS.
WE'VE GOT OUR ANIMAL SERVICES TEAM AND CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HERE, IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN HELP ANSWER COMMITTEE, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YES, I HAVE A QUESTION.
UH, CAN ROO, THIS SAYS SINGLE FAMILY AND OR AT LEAST THE, UM, PROPOSED SENATE BILL HERE.
IT SAYS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE.
IS THERE A RESTRICTION ON ROOSTERS IF THE LAND IS ZONED AGRICULTURAL? UM, I DON'T BELIEVE WE COULD MAKE A, UM, A DESIGNATION ON THAT.
I MAY HAVE TO DEFER ON THAT, UH,
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TO, TO OUR ATTORNEYS.AND IF I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER TO THAT RIGHT NOW, WE CAN DEFINITELY GET THAT, GET THAT TO YOU.
I'M JUST CURIOUS, BECAUSE I WAS VISITING WITH, UH, SOMEONE IN MY DISTRICT WHO HAS SOME AGRICULTURAL LAND, AND HE HAD A ROOSTER.
AND I KNOW THAT I'VE HAD SOME PEOPLE CALL ABOUT THE ROOSTER ON HIS PROPERTY.
AND I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT OUR ORDINANCE OR WHAT THIS PROPOSED BILL MAY SAY ABOUT THAT, SIR.
UH, AT THE, AT THE MOMENT, STATE LAW WOULD PREEMPT US FROM REGULATING THAT ON AN AG ZONE PROPERTY.
NOW, IF THIS CHANGES AT THE LEGISLATURE AS IT'S GOING THROUGH, WE CAN OBVIOUSLY UPDATE ACCORDINGLY, BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, THE LAW STANDS, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO REGULATE THAT.
AND I'M FINE WAITING UNTIL, YOU KNOW, IN TRACKING THIS BILL THEN, AND SEE HOW IT GOES UNTIL WE MAKE ANY CHANGES TO OURS.
SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR OUR ANIMAL CONTROL OR ANIMAL SERVICES.
SO, BECAUSE I LIKE TO KNOW ALL THE WEIRDEST INFORMATION, UM, CHICKENS CAN RESECT THEMSELVES INTO MALES.
SO WHAT DO YOU DO IN THE EVENT THAT THAT HAPPENS? BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE ROOSTERS, BUT IF YOU HAVE A CHICKEN, THAT RESECT ITSELF, HOW DO WE ADDRESS THAT? YOU'RE WELCOME.
I MEAN, THE, THE SECTION 22 POINT 14 OF THE ORDINANCE, VERY CLEAR.
IT SAYS ROOSTERS SPECIFICALLY, UM, IN MY WEEK AND A HALF AT ANIMAL SERVICES, IT HASN'T COME UP YET.
I JUST LIKE TO THROW THAT OUT THERE.
'CAUSE MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THAT CHICKENS CAN DO THAT.
THEY CAN TAKE ON THE EXTERNAL PROPERTIES, UM, OF A, OF A MEAL.
BUT FACT, EVERYONE IS WELCOME.
DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? I WAS GONNA ASK THE SAME QUESTION BECAUSE IF YOU DO HAVE A FLOCK OF ALL HENS, ONE OF THEM WILL DEVELOP MALE CHARACTERISTICS AND WILL START GROWING AND BEING AGGRESSIVE BECAUSE SOMEBODY IN, IT'LL BE THE MOST DOMINANT HEN IN THE FLOCK, AND SHE'LL TAKE ON THOSE CHARACTERISTICS.
AND SO EVEN WITHOUT ANY OTHER ISSUE GOING ON FROM A DISTANCE, YOU WOULD NOT KNOW IF THAT WAS A, A HE OR A ROOSTER, BECAUSE THE MOST DOMINANT HE IN THE COOP WILL TAKE ON THE, IT'S A PROTECTIVE, YOU KNOW, IT'S TO PROTECT THE FLOCK.
I, AGAIN, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT TILL RECENTLY EITHER, BUT I HAVE A FRIEND WHO HAS CHICKENS,
SO, UM, I, I'M GONNA AGREE WITH, WITH COUNCIL MEMBER HEDRICK, LET'S HOLD OFF UNTIL WE SEE WHAT THE STATE'S GOING TO DO, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE FOR US TO REWRITE OUR POLICIES AND OUR ORDINANCES, AND THEN THE STATE COME IN 6, 8, 12 MONTHS FROM NOW AND COMPLETELY CHANGE THEIR MINDS ON WHAT WE CAN DO.
AND THEN WE HAVE TO REWRITE AGAIN, SINCE WE KNOW THIS IS BEING LOOKED AT.
LET'S SEE WHAT THEIR, THEIR DECISION IS.
I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHER ANIMAL QUESTIONS, THOUGH.
OUR ORDINANCES SPECIFICALLY STATE HOW TALL A MINIATURE ANIMAL CAN BE.
GOATS, HORSES, MINIATURE COWS, MINIATURE DONKEYS.
IF YOU GET IT AS A BABY, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO KNOW HOW TALL THIS ANIMAL IS GOING TO BE? AND HOW DO WE REGULATE THAT? WELL, RIGHT NOW, I'M SORRY.
COUNCIL MEMBER BEARD, BUT WE'RE, THAT'S RIGHT.
WE GOTTA TALK, SINCE IT'S SPECIFICALLY POSTED THAT WAY, WE GOTTA TALK TO CHECK-INS AND, ALL RIGHT.
SO I, I'M, I'M HAPPY TO GIVE LEEWAY IF WE CAN GET BACK TO CHICKENS SOMEHOW, BUT
NO, NO, I, I'M JUST, I, I'M JUST CURIOUS.
UM, WE DID SPEAK AT THE LAST MEETING ABOUT THE TYPE OF FOUL ALLOWED IN GARLAND, AND THIS BILL IS SPECIFIC TO CHICKENS.
SO WHAT DOES THAT DO AS FAR AS OTHER FOUL? WOULD THAT STAY AT FOUR? THE, THE, WE'RE AT FOUR CURRENT RIGHT NOW? WE'RE AT FOUR.
SO WOULD THAT MEAN THAT SOMEONE COULD HAVE SIX CHICKENS AND THEN FOUR DIFFERENT FOUL ON TOP OF THAT FOR A TOTAL OF 10? AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY MY QUESTIONS, HOW WE DEAL WITH OTHER TYPES OF FOUL IN LIGHT OF THIS, UM, POSSIBLE LAW.
SO, UM, THAT WOULD DEPEND ON IF THIS BILL PASSES AND THEN WHAT THE COUNCIL
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WOULD LIKE TO DO WITH THE EXISTING ORDINANCE SO THAT THAT ORDINANCE WOULD NEED TO BE UPDATED BASED ON THE STATE LAW.AND THAT'S WHEN WE COULD GO IN AND CHANGE IT FOR THE, THE ADDITIONAL FOUL SINCE IT'S SPECIFICALLY CALLS OUT CHICKENS.
SO, UM, WE CAN, YEAH, LET'S REPORT THIS OUT THAT THE COMMITTEE IS IN FAVOR OF, I GUESS, DO I NEED TO CALL A VOTE TO THAT OR, I MEAN, YEAH, THUMBS UP.
EVERYBODY REPORT OUT TO COUNCIL THAT WE'RE GONNA WAIT ON THIS UNTIL THE STATE OF TEXAS MAKES A DECISION.
AND ITEM THREE C, SPECIAL NEEDS COMMITTEE.
SO LAST TIME WE DISCUSSED, UH, CREATING A COUNCIL, UH, CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEE DEDICATED TO SPECIAL NEEDS ISSUES.
UM, THE COMMITTEE DID KIND OF DECIDE TO LEAVE THAT IN THE HANDS OF EITHER ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES OR COMMUNITY SERVICES IF ANY ISSUES COME UP.
UM, BUT COUNCILWOMAN DUTTON IS HERE TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
SO YOU SAID A COUNCIL COMMITTEE? IS THAT WHAT YOU GUYS HAD SPOKE ABOUT? BECAUSE THAT WASN'T THE ORIGINAL INTENT.
IT'S A, I WOULD WANT A CITIZENS COMMITTEE, JUST LIKE OUR MULTICULTURAL TYPE OF THING.
UM, YES, WE DISCUSSED A COUNCIL COMMITTEE.
UH, WE, WE DID SPEAK ABOUT, UH, POTENTIALLY A COUNCIL COMMITTEE, UH, BEING ABLE TO FILL THE, THE GAP AND DISCUSS IF THERE ARE, UM, AREAS THAT NEED TO BE DISCUSSED FOR OUR SPECIAL NEEDS POPULATION.
UH, HAD THE OPPORTUNITY AFTER THAT MEETING TO FOLLOW UP WITH COUNCIL MEMBER DUTTON.
AND, UH, THAT'S WHY WE'VE GOT THIS BACK ON THE AGENDA OF WANTING TO DISCUSS A, A POTENTIAL CITIZENS, UH, GROUP THAT, UH, THAT COULD HAVE, UM, HAVE A COMMITTEE THAT COULD DISCUSS THESE ITEMS. SO, UM, THERE WERE DISCUSSIONS AROUND SPECIFIC EVENTS AND IF THAT, UH, COULD GO TO, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A SPECIAL EVENT, IT GOES TO THE PARKS BOARD.
IF IT'S A A, A CITY FACILITY, IT COMES TO ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES.
IF IT'S A COMMUNITY EVENT, IT GOES TO COMMUNITY SERVICES.
UH, IT'S A, IT'S ONE OPTION, BUT WE, WE DEFINITELY WANT TO BE ABLE TO, UH, DISCUSS THE OPTIONS THAT ARE OUT THERE AND ESPECIALLY WHAT, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER DUTTON HAS, UH, UH, UH, WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS ON IT, ESPECIALLY SINCE SHE SUBMITTED THIS TO, TO COMMITTEE.
SO, UM, THE THOUGHT PROCESS OF THIS IS THAT WE WOULD HAVE A, LIKE AN, UM, ALL ABILITIES BOARD IN COMMISSION.
SO I, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT OF LIKE, JUST, OH, GO TO, TO PARKS OR GO TO THIS.
I FEEL LIKE IT'S GONNA BE VERY HARD TO ORCHESTRATE THAT, AND WE HAVE ALREADY HAD THAT OPPORTUNITY AND NOT TAKEN ANY MEASURES TO DO THAT.
SO, UM, I FEEL LIKE HAVING A ALL ABILITIES BOARD AND COMMISSION COULD BE BENEFICIAL TO THE CITY IN MULTIPLE WAYS.
UM, LIKE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS, UM, A PROGRAM CALLED SAFE AT HOME.
SO IF YOU HAVE A SPECIAL NEEDS, UM, INDIVIDUAL IN YOUR HOME, YOU CAN, THERE'S NOT EVEN A FORM TO FILL OUT, HONESTLY.
IT'S, UH, YOU SEND SOMEONE AN EMAIL AND YOU GIVE THEM THE NAME AND ROUGH LITTLE SKETCH OF WHAT THEIR TICKS ARE, WHAT PD SHOULD LOOK FOR, IF THEY ELOPE.
UM, THEY DON'T ASK FOR A PICTURE.
THEY DON'T ASK REALLY ANYTHING.
IF MINE, IF, IF ASHLEY GOT OUT OF THE HOUSE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, EVEN THOUGH WE WERE ON, WE'VE, I'VE REGISTERED HER WITH THE SAFE AT HOME PROGRAM.
WHAT, WHAT? THEY'RE GONNA ASK HER WHAT HER NAME IS.
SHE MIGHT TELL YOU WHAT HER NAME IS, OR SHE MIGHT JUST LOOK AT YOU LIKE THIS.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET VERY FAR
SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT A SPECIAL NEEDS SLASH UM, ALL ABILITIES BOARD COULD ASSIST WITH.
THEY HAVE ZERO SPECIAL NEEDS TRAINING.
THEY WOULDN'T EVEN, LIKE, I'VE, I'VE ASKED MULTIPLE, UH, MULTIPLE PEOPLE WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IF THEY HAVE ANY KIND OF TRAINING TO KNOW HOW TO INTERACT WITH SOMEONE WITH SPECIAL NEEDS, THE ONE THAT'S NONVERBAL, SOMEONE WITH DOWN SYNDROME, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.
AND THEY HAVE NONE, WHICH IS SHOCKING BECAUSE WE HAVE A LARGE SPECIAL NEEDS COMMUNITY IN THE CITY.
AND GOING THROUGH THE POLICE ACADEMY REALLY MADE ME REALIZE THAT IF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DID NOT KNOW WHO I WAS, I WOULD PROBABLY GET MYSELF SHOT.
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THERE WAS ONE POINT WHEN WE DID SWAT TRAINING, RIGHT? AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE YELLING AT YOU BECAUSE WE WERE HIDING.SO THEY'RE YELLING AT YOU, PUT YOUR HANDS ON YOUR FACE.
AND SO BEING ON THE SPECTRUM, MY BRAIN IS VERY LITERAL, SO I'M LIKE WALKING LIKE THIS.
I'M LIKE, WELL, WHERE AM I SUPPOSED TO? I CANNOT SEE.
WELL, THEN THEY'RE YELLING AT ME BECAUSE I'M TALKING.
AND SO I'M LIKE, IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW ME, THEN I COULD HAVE, IT COULD HAVE BEEN PERCEIVED AS BEING COMBATIVE, RIGHT? INSTEAD OF, OH, WELL SHE'S THINKING LITERAL.
LIKE, SO HER HANDS ARE ON HER FACE.
SHE CAN'T, SHE REALLY CAN'T SEE.
SO IT'S THINGS LIKE THAT WHERE IT'S LIKE WE COULD, IF WE HAD THAT GROUP OF PEOPLE ON A BOARD, THEY COULD ASSIST WITH, YOU KNOW, HELPING THE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT KNOW HOW TO INTERACT WITH OUR SPECIAL NEEDS COMMUNITY SO THAT IT'S NOT SO AWKWARD FOR ANYONE INVOLVED IN THAT SITUATION BECAUSE WE SEE IT ALL THE TIME.
WE GET THOSE PRESS RELEASES THAT A CHILD HAS GOTTEN OUT, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR A SPECIAL NEEDS AUTISTIC NONVERBAL.
I GET CALLS FREQUENTLY, MORE FREQUENTLY THAN I WOULD LIKE TO ADMIT FROM, UM, OTHER PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT HAVE CAME ACROSS A SPECIAL NEEDS NONVERBAL AUTISTIC PERSON THAT IS OUT WANDERING THE STREET AND NO ONE KNOWS HOW, KNOWS WHAT TO DO.
WE'VE HAD, I'VE HAD BARRY FAMILY SERVICES CALL ME BECAUSE THERE WAS A BOY THAT WAS WALKING OVER ON, IN SOUTH GARLAND AND PD, THEY CALLED, THEY HAD TO CALL PD FOUR TIMES BEFORE SOMEONE WOULD TAKE THE TIME TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WAS REALLY GOING ON.
'CAUSE THE BOY WAS MAKING ALL KINDS OF CRAZY CLAIMS AND THEY'RE LIKE, OH, WELL WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING.
SO IT'S, IT'S THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT THIS IS BENEFIT OUR CITY, UM, ON TOP OF, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE MAKE LITTLE TWEAKS AND ADJUSTMENTS TO OUR DIFFERENT EVENTS THAT WE DO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO DO A TREE LIGHTING SITUATION FOR EVERY EVENT THAT WE HOLD, BUT WE COULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, LIKE A SENSORY TENT WHERE IF YOU'RE OVERWHELMED, YOU CAN GO OVER HERE.
UM, I MEAN, THERE'S A TON OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THIS BOARD COULD HELP WITH, ALONG WITH HELPING WITH GRANTS THAT THE CITY COULD GET, YOU KNOW, TO HELP FUND THE, THE SPECIAL NEEDS ASPECT OF STUFF.
SO THAT'S, UM, KIND OF, KIND OF WHERE MY THOUGHT PROCESS IS.
SO
THERE'S, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE ARE PART OF THE ANIMAL SERVICES COMMUNITY IN SOME WAY.
SO, UM, DO YOU SEE THAT BEING A REQUIREMENT FOR, I MEAN, MEMBERS? MOST DEFINITELY.
UM, THEY, I WOULD, YOU CAN'T, YOU, IF YOU CAN'T RELATE TO IT, YOU CAN'T KNOW WHAT THE NEED IS, RIGHT? SO I WOULD, I WOULD DEFINITELY FEEL LIKE IT SHOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE THAT IS PROFICIENT IN AUTISM, SOMEONE THAT IS HEARING IMPAIRED VISION IMPAIRED, SO THAT WE'VE GOT THAT DIFFERENT SPECTRUM OF ABILITIES COVERED.
BECAUSE YOU CAN BE AUTISTIC AND NOT NEED ANY OTHER, HAVE YOUR, YOU HAVE YOUR OWN SET OF NEEDS, RIGHT? SO OPPOSED TO IF YOU ARE A VISION IMPAIRED, YOU'VE GOT A DIFFERENT SET OF NEEDS.
SO, UM, LIKE DAVID, UH, MOREHEAD OVER HERE,
SO THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT IF IT WASN'T RELEVANT FOR US DURING OUR EVERY DAY, WE MIGHT NOT THINK ABOUT IT.
SO, BECAUSE I'D BEEN AT HOBA MULTIPLE TIMES AND I, I DIDN'T EVEN REALIZE IT UNTIL HE BROUGHT IT UP AND I WAS LIKE, OH MY GOSH.
LIKE I HAD, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW.
WELL THAT'S 'CAUSE I DON'T USE IT, RIGHT? SO IF IT'S NOT A PART OF MY WORLD, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT NEEDS TO BE THERE.
SO IT WOULD BE VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THE BOARD TO HAVE A, AN INTIMATE KNOWLEDGE OF SOME SORT OF, UM, NEED AND ABILITY.
MIDDY, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? I'M, I'M FINE WITH IF YOU WANT TO, SORRY, GO AHEAD.
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YEAH, I'M, I'M FINE.IF WE WANT TO CREATE A NEW BOARD ASSISTANT BOARD'S FINE.
I THINK WE CAN FIT THE COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, IT CAN FIT INTO ONE OF OUR EXISTING BOARD.
THE ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES IS FINE WITH LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, THE KIND OF THE OVERALL VIEW.
BUT IF WE HAVE ANOTHER CITIZEN BOARD TO HELP ADVOCATE FOR THAT, I'M ALL FOR THAT.
COUNCILMAN BAIRD, THIS IS KIND OF MY BACKGROUND.
UM, OUR CITY CAN ALWAYS BE MORE ACCESSIBLE.
UM, THE NUMBER OF AUDITORY CROSSWALKS WE HAVE IS VERY LIMITED.
UM, AND I NOTICE THEM WHEN I HA WHEN I SEE, WHEN I HEAR THEM, JUST BECAUSE I WAS AN ORIENTATION AND MOBILITY SPECIALIST.
I WORKED WITH PEOPLE WHO WERE VISUALLY IMPAIRED, BUT I ALSO WORKED WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE HEARING IMPAIRED.
SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S BRAILLE AND YOU KNOW, BRAILLE IS, IS, SORRY, BRAILLE IS PRETTY MUCH COVERED BY A DA SO ALMOST EVERYTHING IS IN BRAILLE.
EVEN THE ATM THAT THAT YOU DRIVE THROUGH, WHICH IS KIND OF, I DON'T, IT'S KIND OF WEIRD, BUT, UH, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT
AND I'VE NOTICED THAT FOR 30 YEARS THAT I'VE LIVED HERE, BECAUSE THAT'S THE FIELD I WAS IN.
SO THOSE ARE THINGS I LOOK FOR.
UM, WE'RE GETTING BE, I MEAN, ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS DON'T EVEN HAVE WHEELCHAIR, UM, SIDEWALK, WHEELCHAIR ACCESSIBLE SIDEWALKS YET.
UM, WE'RE A LITTLE BEHIND THE TIMES THERE.
THERE'S JUST SO MUCH MORE WE COULD DO.
AND HAVING SOMEBODY, YES, I DO THINK THAT THE PEOPLE ON THAT BOARD NEED TO BE VERY SPECIFIED BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE MAKING DECISIONS FOR THE VISUALLY IMPAIRED IF THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE VISUALLY IMPAIRED OR WORK WITH THE VISUALLY IMPAIRED.
AND I THINK WE NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL THAT WE DON'T LIST SPECIAL NEEDS AS JUST DEVELOPMENTAL NEEDS OR JUST PHYSICAL NEEDS, BECAUSE BOTH CATEGORIES ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
AND THE EXAMPLE I CAN GIVE IS, I WAS WORKING WITH, UM, SEVERELY DEVELOPMENTALLY DISABLED, INTELLECTUALLY DISABLED INDIVIDUALS, AND I WAS TOLD, WELL, HERE'S A BOOK ON HOW TO GET THEM INVOLVED.
AND IT WAS, IT INCLUDED WHEELCHAIR BASKETBALL, AND IT'S LIKE, THIS DOESN'T MEET THE, THIS, THIS ISN'T, THIS IS FOR PEOPLE IN WHEELCHAIRS.
THE WHOLE BOOK WAS ON ACTIVITIES YOU COULD DO ADAPT TO BE IN WHEELCHAIRS.
SOMEBODY THAT'S AUTISTICS NOT IN A WHEELCHAIR, SOMEBODY THAT, UM, HAS OTHER DEVELOPMENTAL ISSUES IS NOT IN A WHEELCHAIR.
BUT YES, IT WOULD NEED TO BE A, IT WOULD HAVE TO HAVE SOME VERY SPECIFIC CRITERIA FOR THE MEMBERS OF THAT BOARD.
AND, UM, I'VE, SINCE WE'RE LOOKING AT BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ALREADY, UM, IT KIND OF FALLS, UM, UNDER THAT SAME PURVIEW.
SO MAYBE CAN WE COMBINE THIS WITH THAT AGENDA ITEM? YES, MA'AM.
AND, AND IF I'M, IF I MAY, I HAVE A, IF A SUGGESTION AS WELL.
UM, ECHOING, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BEARD, UM, SPECIAL NEEDS IS A VERY DIVERSE GROUP.
WHEN WE, WHEN WE SAY THAT, I KNOW I HAD THAT CONVERSATION WITH, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, UH, DUTTON, THAT, UH, WE, WE WANNA BE INCLUSIVE.
THERE'S A LOT OF FOLKS TO BE INCLUSIVE WITH.
AND, UM, WHAT, WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IF WE, IF WE KEEP GOING WITH THIS DISCUSSION AT THE COMMITTEE LEVEL, UH, I, I HEARD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT WE MAYBE SPECIFICALLY HAVE, UH, CHIEF BRIAN COME IN AND TALK ABOUT, UH, WHAT, WHAT THEY HAVE AND WHAT SUGGESTIONS WE COULD POTENTIALLY GIVE CHIEF BRIAN SO HE CAN HEAR THOSE AND HE CAN TALK ABOUT HOW TO FACILITATE THOSE WITHIN, UM, THE DEPARTMENT.
UH, WE ALSO INTERNALLY HAVE, UH, AN A DA PLAN.
AND I KNOW, AGAIN, SPECIAL NEEDS IS VERY DIVERSE.
AND THIS GOES BACK TOWARDS, UM, UH, HANDICAP ACCESSIBILITY, UH, BLIND, UH, UH, INDIVIDUALS.
UH, AND THOSE, THOSE THAT ARE COVERED BY THE ADA A PLANS.
AND SO THERE'S A STAFF, UH, UH, COMMITTEE THAT ADDRESSES THOSE.
AND, UH, WE ACTUALLY JUST UPDATED THAT PLAN.
AND SO, UH, PAUL LUKI IS OUR, UM, IS OUR CHAIRPERSON OF THAT COMMITTEE.
AND SO WE COULD ALSO HAVE HIM COME IN AND TALK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING.
I THINK THERE'S, UM, AS, AS COUNCIL MEMBER BEARD SAID, THERE'S PIECES OF, OF THESE PLANS AND, AND ACTION THAT'S OUT THERE.
DEFINITELY SEE THIS AS A, AS A BENEFIT, BUT IT, IT MAY HELP THE COMMITTEE TO, TO SEE WHAT WE'VE GOT IN MOTION AND WE CAN TRY AND PLUG IN THE,
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THE GAPS FROM THERE.LET'S KEEP THEM AS SEPARATE ITEMS. OKAY.
UM, AND DO I HAVE KIND OF A HARD TIME CALLING IT SPECIAL NEEDS? AND I HEARD YOU SAY ALL ABILITIES.
SO COULD WE CALL IT LIKE THE ALL ABILITIES ADVOCACY COMMITTEE? WOULD THAT BE OKAY WITH EVERYBODY JUST MOVING FORWARD SO THAT IT'S THE WORKING NAME IS FINE UNTIL, YEAH.
UM, AND, AND THERE WERE, SO AS COUNCILWOMAN DUTTON WAS SPEAKING, I WROTE DOWN POLICE DEPARTMENTS, SPECIAL EVENTS, PARKS AND RECREATION, CULTURAL ARTS, PUBLIC AND MEDIA RELATIONS.
THOSE ARE THE DEPARTMENTS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD THAT I COULD THINK OF, OF OBVIOUSLY STREETS AND TRANSPORTATION HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP AS WELL.
SO, UM, IT DOES TOUCH ON A LOT OF DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS AND IT'S, AND BECAUSE OF THAT, UH, I DON'T THINK THAT YOU CAN REALLY PUT IT INTO A SPECIFIC CORNER, I GUESS.
UM, SO, UM, HAPPY TO HEAR WHAT STAFF HAS TO PRESENT AS FAR AS LIKE WHAT OUR CURRENT PROGRAMMING IS AND HOW WE CAN INTEGRATE THAT INTO A, UH, BOARD OR COMMITTEE.
WE'LL PULL THE INFORMATION TOGETHER AND WE'LL BE SURE WE'RE PREPARED FOR NEXT MEETING TO DISCUSS.
ITEM 3D REVIEW PROCESS FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS, SCOPING DISCUSSION.
UM, SO, UH, THIS, THIS ITEM CAME ABOUT, I BELIEVE FOR, UM, MOSTLY FOR FUTURE USES, ESPECIALLY IN PREPARATION OF A POSSIBLE BOND, UH, PASSING WHERE WE WILL HAVE SOME MONEY TO DEAL WITH REGARDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS.
SO, UM, I TRIED TO KEEP THIS ITEM VERY BROAD.
UM, I WOULD DEFINITELY, UH, MY PERSONALLY, I WANT, UH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION ON HOW TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS, BECAUSE I, YES, PLEASE, ANDY.
UM, 'CAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS I DON'T WANT TO DO IS, YOU KNOW, INHIBIT STAFF IN ANY WAY FROM GOING OUT AND MAKING, YOU KNOW, RELATIONSHIPS AND NOT BEING ABLE TO COME BACK TO COUNSEL.
UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING PARTICULARLY PREPARED, BUT I DO HAVE SOME THOUGHTS.
AND I THINK IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, JUST TRYING TO LISTEN AND PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT SOME OF THE CONCERNS BY COUNSEL AND THE, AND THE, AND THE RESIDENTS MIGHT BE, IS THAT, IS THERE ROOM FOR, UM, ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IN THE WAY IT'S PRESENTED TO, TO BE, UM, YOU KNOW, MORE COMPLETE OR MORE, UH, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER.
I ABSOLUTELY, THERE'S, THERE'S ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT, SPECIFICALLY WHAT THAT IS.
I KNOW THAT IN SOME CASES, YOU KNOW, WE, WHATEVER THAT IS THAT THE COUNCIL'S LOOKING FOR, WE WOULD, WE COULD BUILD INTO KIND OF HOW WE APPROACH, UM, KIND OF THE GOVERNANCE PROCESS, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT'S PRESENTED, HOW IT'S PRESENTED.
YOU KNOW, AS WE ALL KNOW, THE STATE LAW ALLOWS US TO HAVE, UM, CERTAIN SENSITIVE DISCUSSIONS IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
UH, ONCE IT COMES OUT OF THAT, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? WHEN IS IT PRESENTED, HOW'S IT PRESENTED? UM, I'VE ALREADY LOOKED AT SOME WAYS OF KIND OF CHANGING THE INFORMATION AND THE LANGUAGE THAT'S USED, BECAUSE I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHAT PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR IS LIKE, OKAY, GREAT, WE'RE GIVING AN INCENTIVE, BUT WHAT'S THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT? AND I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY DO, UM, A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILED DIVE INTO WHAT THAT, AND ARTICULATING WHAT THAT COMMUNITY BENEFIT IS.
I THINK THE FINE LINE ALSO ENDS UP BEING, UM, I THINK WE SHOULD BE SOMEWHAT AWARE OF THAT PROCESS NOT BEING CUMBERSOME FOR A DEVELOPER.
UM, I'D HAD A MEETING WITH A GROUP TODAY, THE EVERY TIME, THE NUMBER ONE QUESTION IS, IS, UH, QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CODE, QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROCESS, QUESTION ABOUT THE LOCAL POLITICS, ALL THE, THEY'RE ASKING ABOUT THE BARRIERS TO SUCCESS.
UM, AND WE'RE VERY HONEST ABOUT 'EM.
WE WANT THEM TO KNOW UPFRONT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
AND IF IT'S AN IDEA THAT HAS HEADWINDS, WE'RE GONNA TELL 'EM THE IDEA HAS HEADWINDS AND EXACTLY WHY THAT IS.
UM, BUT IN TERMS OF HOW WE COULD DO THAT, WE COULD ABSOLUTELY COME BACK WITH A FRAMEWORK THAT SAYS IN, IN, YOU KNOW, MOST CASES WE WOULD PROCEED IN THIS WAY.
THIS WOULD BE OUR FORMAT FOR HOW WE'RE COMMUNICATING TO THE PUBLIC AND THE COUNCIL WHAT THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT IS.
AND, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO REALIZE THAT IN ANY DEVELOPMENT SITUATION, AND IT'S AN EDUCATION PROCESS, THERE WILL, THERE WILL ALWAYS BE AN ASK FOR INCENTIVES.
AND DOESN'T MEAN WE ALWAYS GIVE THEM, BUT IT IT'S AN EDUCATION PRO.
AND IT'S A, IT'S A NECESSARY PART OF A COMMUNITY GROWING.
UM, BUT AB ABSOLUTELY, COULD WE DO A BETTER JOB FOR SURE.
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HAPPY TO BRING BACK SOME KIND OF IDEAS AND FORMAT WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE AND, AND SEE HOW THAT GOES.YEAH, I THINK IT'S GREAT YOU ADDRESS KIND OF THE WHAT, BUT I ALSO THINK IT'S THE WIN THE TIMING AS WELL.
GOING STRAIGHT FROM AN EXECUTIVE SESSION TO A CONSENT AGENDA ITEM WITHOUT TIME FOR, UH, TO BE DISCUSSED OPENLY BY THE PUBLIC.
I THINK THAT WAS PART OF THE ISSUE.
I I THINK WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT PORTION OF IT.
I LOVE THE IDEA OF FORMATTING IN A CERTAIN WAY, AND THIS IS THE BENEFIT.
'CAUSE YES, IF WE ARE GIVING SOMETHING, MODIFYING ONE OF OUR REGULATIONS TO ALLOW A BENEFIT TO A DEVELOPER, WE NEED TO SAY WHAT DOES THE CITY GET OUT OF IT THEN AS WELL.
BUT IT'S A TIMING THING IS REALLY KIND OF THE BIGGEST ISSUE I HAD WITH THE LAST ONE.
AND, AND WE HEARD THAT LOUD AND CLEAR AND I'LL, AND I'LL, AND I'LL SAY JUST IN, IN A, A LITTLE BIT OF STAFF'S DEFENSE, WE, THERE, THAT PROCESS HAS, HAS CHANGED OVER TIME.
AND SO, UH, IN, IN LIGHT OF THIS COUNCIL'S, UM, DIRECTION, WE WILL CHANGE THAT PROCESS ACCORDINGLY.
UM, IT EBBS AND FLOWS OVER TIME.
AND SO CLEARLY WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, LET'S SAY FOR EXAMPLE, IT HAS AN EXECUTIVE SESSION, UH, DISCUSSION MIGHT BE MORE, MIGHT BE MORE THAN ONE DEPENDING ON THE NEGOTIATION OF THOSE DEAL TERMS. UM, COUNSEL AND STAFF ARE COMFORTABLE MOVING AND THE DEVELOPERS MOVING FORWARD.
THEN PERHAPS IT IS A, A DISCUSSION IN, UH, A VERBAL BRIEFING AND A WORK SESSION.
AND THEN TWO WEEKS LATER, DEPENDING ON THE DIRECTION, THEN IT'S NOW ON, UH, I GUESS THE FEEDBACK I'D WANT TO HEAR IS THAT WORK SESSION VERBAL, THAT'S, THAT'S A GREAT DISCUSSION THAT, THAT THE PUBLIC CAN LEARN ABOUT THE, THE PROJECT THEN IS THE NEXT STEP ON REGULAR SESSION CONSENT OR UH, UH, INDIVIDUAL ITEM, THAT'S PROBABLY THE DIRECTION WE'D WANNA SEE.
OR IS THAT CASE BY CASE? I THINK IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO HAVE SOME CONSISTENCY THERE.
IS THAT A INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION OR IS THAT A CONSENT ITEM? WE'RE, WE'RE OPEN TO FEEDBACK ON THAT.
I, I'M FINE WITH IT BEING AN INDIVIDUAL VOTE.
I'D RATHER HAVE LESS ON CONSENT AGENDA.
I'M FINE WITH VOTING ON EVERY SINGLE MEMBER WE APPOINT TO A BOARD OF COMMISSION AND RATHER THAN HAVE IT ALL AT ONE TIME, SO I'D RATHER HAVE MORE VOTES THEN THAT COUNCIL MEMBER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE INDIVIDUAL VOTES MORE SO TO THEIR CONSTITUENTS THAN I THINK, THAN JUST A CONSENT AGENDA, JUST BLANKET VOTE ON A BASKET OF ITEMS. SO.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COUNCILMAN DUBNER? I DEFINITELY AGREE WITH DYLAN.
UM, WE TALK A LOT ABOUT TRANSPARENCY AND I FEEL LIKE WE DO A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE AS TRANSPARENT AS CHOCOLATE MILK.
SO, UM, I THINK MAKING THOSE LITTLE, THOSE LITTLE ADJUSTMENTS I THINK WILL GO A LONG WAY, ESPECIALLY TRUST WITH OUR, OUR RESIDENTS.
UM, BUT THEN ON THE POINT OF CONSISTENCY, IT, IT'S REALLY HARD WHEN THERE'S, LIKE WE HAVE THE, THE, UH, WHAT'S IT GDC ELEMENT, OP, WHATEVER IT'S CALLED, UM, WHERE THAT'S LIKE OUR, OUR, OUR GUIDELINES, RIGHT? BUT WE NEVER STICK TO
IT'S ALWAYS LIKE, THERE'S ALWAYS LIKE SOME, SOME REASON WHY WE'RE GOING AGAINST IT OR WHAT HAVE YOU, LIKE, SO THAT MAKES IT HARD FOR CONSISTENCY'S SAKE BECAUSE WHY DO WE HAVE, WHY DO WE HAVE A MASTER PLAN IF WE DON'T, IF WE'RE NOT FOLLOWING IT? OR, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT.
LIKE WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE OUR BOUNDARIES FOR OFFERING INCENTIVES? LIKE DO WE HAVE ANY KIND OF STRUCTURE THAT WE, LIKE, WE'RE GOING DOWN THE FLOW CHART, LIKE DO YOU MEET THIS, DO YOU MEET THIS? OKAY, LIKE, WE CAN OFFER THIS.
OR LIKE, THERE'S NO, LIKE, AT LEAST I, I DON'T FEEL LIKE THERE'S MUCH, UM, STRUCTURE AS FAR AS LIKE KNOWING WHEN IT'S APPROPRIATE TO OFFER AN INCENTIVE AND HOW MUCH OF AN INCENTIVE BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S NOT IN MY WHEELHOUSE, SO I JUST HAVE TO TRUST THAT YOU GUYS KNOW.
BUT, BUT THERE'S NO, NO EDUCATION ON OUR END AS FAR AS LIKE, WHEN IS IT APPROPRIATE? HOW MUCH IS IT APPROPRIATE? AND WELL, THAT'S THAT KIND OF, I THINK THAT THAT'S PRETTY, THAT IS, AND WE MAY BE GETTING OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE OF THE AGENDA ITEM RIGHT NOW, BUT THAT'S REALLY THE SCOPE OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND, AND THE GDC COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THOSE ARE THE ITEMS THAT INSTRUCT STAFF ON WHAT KIND OF INCENTIVES TO GIVE.
AND SO IF WE DECIDE THAT A SHOPPING CENTER NEEDS SOMETHING AND, AND IT'S IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, SHOPPING CENTERS NEED THIS AND THIS AND THIS, THOSE ARE ITEMS THAT WE, WE GIVE STAFF, IT'S, IT'S LIKE THEIR DIRECTION, THEIR, UM, FRAMEWORK FOR OFFERING AN INCENTIVE TO A DEVELOPER.
AND THAT'S WHAT THE WHOLE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, PROCEDURE IS ABOUT AND WHY WE'RE GOING THROUGH IT AGAIN, BECAUSE IT HADN'T BEEN REVIEWED IN SO LONG.
AND THOSE ITEMS THAT WE PUT INTO THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
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ARE WHAT GUIDES STAFF TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS.SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY THAT IS, IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING IN COUNCIL RIGHT NOW.
UM, SO I AM A LITTLE WEARY OF, OF SAYING, HERE'S A FLOW CHART.
YOU CAN ONLY DO THESE THINGS BECAUSE I THINK THAT WE WANT TO GIVE STAFF THE ABILITY TO USE A, UH, LIKE A THINK OUT OF THE BOX TYPE OPTION FOR EVERYTHING.
AND, AND IF WE, IF WE REALLY MAKE EVERYTHING VERY STRICT AND TO A SPECIFIC FRAMEWORK THAT KIND OF TAKES AWAY THE TOOLS THAT THEY HAVE TO WORK OUTSIDE OF THE BOX.
BUT FOR SURE, NO, AND I SAY FLOWCHART LIKE LOOSELY, BUT MEANING JUST LIKE WHAT IS THE, THE BASE? LIKE, 'CAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE LIKE YOUR BASELINE, RIGHT? SO LIKE THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I WAS GOING.
NOT NECESSARILY LIKE, OKAY, WELL YOU HAVE TO MEET THESE, THESE AND THESE, AND IF NOT, NO, BECAUSE I DO LOVE THAT OUR STAFF HAS THE ABILITY TO USE THEIR BEST JUDGMENT BECAUSE I, I THINK THAT ESPECIALLY OUR, OUR MANAGEMENT TEAM, Y'ALL ARE FANTASTIC AT USING YOUR JUDGMENT AND MAKING THOSE CALLS AND KIND OF HELPING US UNDERSTAND THE UPS AND DOWNS, THE PROS AND CONS OF THINGS.
SO I WOULD NEVER WANT TO TAKE THAT AWAY BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT YOUR EDUCATION IS.
SO I WOULDN'T WANNA TAKE THAT AWAY.
JUST I THINK IF WE HAD MORE OF A, UM, AN IDEA OF WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT YOU TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, TYPE OF TYPE OF THING.
YEAH, I THINK THAT IT, SO THIS IS AN EXCELLENT DISCUSSION.
I I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON IT BECAUSE IT, THERE, THERE'S TWO IMPORTANT DIS AN AN IMPORTANT DISTINCTION ON TWO SEPARATE FUNCTIONS.
SO THE, THE, THE, THE ZONING IS A LAND USE DISCUSSION DISCUSSION.
THE INCENTIVES ARE AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DISCUSSION.
AND SO THE LAW, EVEN THE STATE LAW AND OUR CODE ADDRESSES 'EM SEPARATELY.
SO, BUT THEY'RE TWO SIDES OF THE SAME COIN.
SO IF A, A DEVELOPER COMES IN AND WANTS TO DEVIATE FROM THE GDC TO YOUR POINT, WHAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE GDC ARE REFLECTION OF WHAT'S THE VALUES OF, OF THE CITY VIA THE COUNCIL, RIGHT? SO THAT, THAT'S HOW WE DEVELOP LAND IN THAT WAY.
AND THEN WHEN WE GET INTO CHAPTER THREE 80 AGREEMENTS, THAT ALLOWS US TO FOREGO REVENUES LIKE A, LIKE, UH, UH, WAIVING DEVELOPMENT FEES THROUGH A THREE 80.
IT HAS TO BE FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND IT HAS TO HAVE CONTROLS TO IT.
SO THAT, THAT'S DICTATED BY THE STATE LAW.
AND OUR LEGAL TEAM IS VERY GOOD AT KEEPING US KEEPING THOSE GUARDRAILS ON THERE.
SO YOU HAVE A LOT OF LATITUDE IN, IN DIFFERENT PURPOSES ON, ON EACH OF THOSE SIDES OF THE COIN.
SO A DEVELOPER MAY ASK FOR DEVIATIONS FROM THE GDC AND, AND THAT DECISION IS FINALLY, ULTIMATELY IN MOST CASES MADE BY CITY COUNCIL.
SO YOU'RE IN CHARGE OF THOSE FINAL DECISIONS.
'CAUSE THE, THE DEVIATION PROCESS IS ALLOWED BY STAFF IS PRETTY LIMITED.
THERE'S A HANDFUL OF WAIVER OPPORTUNITIES.
THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN IS, IS THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT A, A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, WE WILL GENERALLY AND HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT, THAT WE'VE ADOPTED SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
AND SO WE USE THAT AS A GUIDELINE.
IT'S A LITTLE TRICKY TO HAVE, UM, TOO MUCH OF A TEMPLATE BECAUSE LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, YOU GOT, YOU MIGHT RECALL YAKO WILL BRING A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT WHY WE THINK THERE'S COMMUNITY BENEFIT TO PROVIDE A TAX ABATEMENT FOR FIVE YEARS OR WHATEVER IT IS.
SHE'LL SHOW A, UH, AN ROI ON THAT, THAT WE, WE MAY FOREGO THAT TAX REVENUE FOR X NUMBER OF YEARS, BUT, OR XX DOLLAR AMOUNT, BUT WE'LL RECOVER IT IN THREE YEARS.
SO THOSE ARE ALL OPPORTUNITIES YOU HAVE TO, TO DECIDE.
NOW I'LL GO A STEP FURTHER, AND SOMETIMES I'LL, I THINK THAT IN SOME CASES THE ROI ON AN INDIVIDUAL IS KIND OF A FOREST IN THE TREE'S DISCUSSION THAT THAT PARTICULAR TREE MAY END UP HAVING A LONGER TERM RETURN ON INVESTMENT, WHICH MIGHT BE, EH, A LITTLE, YOU MIGHT BRISTLE AT THAT AT FIRST, BUT IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS, IT'S PART OF THE TOTAL PACKAGE.
MEANING IF YOU'RE, WHETHER YOU'RE DEVELOPING IN DOWNTOWN OR IF YOU'RE DEVELOPING IN ANOTHER DISTRICT OF TOWN, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO REALLY DEAL WITH A PAINFUL PROJECT AT ONE TIME TO GET OVER THE HUMP SO THAT OTHERS NOW HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO IMPROVE THE WHOLE AREA.
DOES THAT, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO IT, IT, IT WOULD BE UNFORTUNATE TO HAVE TOO MANY HANDCUFFS ON WHEN A, A PARTICULAR CASE WE WOULD COME AND MAKE THE BEST CASE POSSIBLE FOR THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT.
AND WE WOULDN'T BRING IT THIS FAR IF WE DIDN'T THINK THERE WAS COMMUNITY BENEFIT.
IF IT'S JUST A, SOMEBODY ASKING TO GET OFF THE HOOK FOR SOME FEES SO THEY COULD MAKE MORE PROFIT, THAT DOESN'T MATTER TO US.
UM, SO I IT'S A LOT TO COVER AND, AND I REALIZE IT, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M DISTINGUISHING BETWEEN ZONING AND, AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS.
I HEARD THAT THERE WAS A, UH, FORMER STAFF MEMBER THAT USED TO GIVE
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CODE NAMES TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS.SO, UM, YOU KNOW,
AND, UM, IF YOU WANNA COME BACK TO US NEXT TIME WITH SOME, I THINK THAT'S AN EASY FIX IDEAS, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE COMMITTEE? OKAY, THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT, WELL THAT WAS OUR LAST AGENDA ITEM.
SO I WILL ADJOURN THIS MEETING AT 5 55.