May 12, 2025 Plan Commission

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GOOD EVENING. WELCOME TO THE MAY 12TH MEETING OF THE GARLAND PLAN COMMISSION. AS IS OUR CUSTOM, WE COMMISSIONERS START OUR MEETING WITH A PRAYER AND A PLEDGE. YOU'RE INVITED TO JOIN US.

WHETHER YOU DO OR NOT. NO WAY AFFECTS THE DECISIONS OF THIS COMMISSION OR YOUR RIGHTS IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION. NEVER HAS, NEVER WILL. TONIGHT'S PRAYER AND PLEDGE WILL BE LED BY COMMISSIONER JENKINS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. IF YOU WISH TO, PLEASE BOW YOUR HEADS AND ASSUME AN ATTITUDE OF PRAYER. HEAVENLY GOD, WE COME BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING, AS ALWAYS IN THANKS OF YOUR GLORY, MERCY AND LOVE. WE MARVEL AT YOUR GOODNESS IN CREATION BEFORE US, AT YOUR BEAUTY AND PEACE. WE HUMBLE OURSELVES BEFORE YOUR WORK, WHICH YOU WILL HAVE US DO. WE SEEK YOUR WISDOM AND ASK THAT YOU GUIDE THIS MEETING AND ITS FULFILLMENT OF ITS RESPONSIBILITIES TO THE CITY OF GARLAND. BLANKET. BLANKET US IN YOUR GRACE. WE PRAY IN REMEMBRANCE FOR THOSE LOST, FOR OUR FRIENDSHIPS AND FOR THOSE DIFFERENT FROM OURSELVES. PLEASE KEEP OUR CITY SAFE. WALK ALONGSIDE ITS RESIDENTS, ITS LEADERS, AND ITS FIRST RESPONDERS. WE LISTEN FOR YOUR VOICE AND ARE GUIDED TO ACTION BY THE BEST IN US. ALLOW US TO GROW AND GROW IN OUR MUTUAL RESPECT AND APPRECIATION FOR ONE ANOTHER. ALL THIS WE ASK AND PRAY IN YOUR NAME. AMEN. NOW PLEASE JOIN WITH US AS WE RECITE THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF TH UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL, ONE NATION.

WELL, GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO OUR MEETING. IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE QUITE A FEW SPEAKERS, POTENTIAL SPEAKERS. TONIGHT. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR COMING DOWN. YOUR ALL'S PARTICIPATION MAKES THE SYSTEM WORK. MANY TIMES I AND THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS KNOW WILL READ THE PACKET. WE'LL DO OUR OWN RESEARCH AND WE MAY COME LEANING ONE WAY OR ANOTHER ON A CASE, BUT THEN WE'LL HEAR SOMETHING FROM AN APPLICANT OR THE PUBLIC AND WE'LL CHANGE OUR MINDS. SO NOTHING IS SETTLED UP HERE. WE DO APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT. SINCE WE HAVE SUCH A LARGE GROUP TONIGHT, I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND GO THROUGH SOME GROUND RULES, IF I COULD. NOW, THE COMMISSION IS HERE TO MAKE A JUDGMENT AND A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNC ABOUT THE LAND USE AND THE CONDITIONS TO THE USE. REZONE THE LAND, NOT THE PEOPLE. AND WE STRIVE TO MAKE THE BEST DECISIONS POSSIBLE BASED UPON LOGIC, OUR EXPERIENCE, THE LAND USE PLAN, PROFESSIONAL INPUT FROM CITY STAFF, TESTIMONY FROM THE APPLICANT AND CITIZENS. THE COUNCIL EXPECTS THE COMMISSION TO GIVE THEM OUR BEST, THOUGHTFUL, NONPOLITICAL ADVICE THAT WE CAN. THE COUNCIL WILL MAKE THE FINAL DECISION ON ANY CASE TONIGHT IN A FUTURE MEETING. NOW, THE COMMISSION WANTS TO HEAR ALL PERTINENT AND NEW INFORMATION. PLEASE REFRAIN FROM REPEATING PREVIOUS TESTIMONY, STATE THAT YOU AGREE WITH THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER AND THAT YOU ARE FOR OR AGAINST, AND COMMISSIONERS MAY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR YOU. AND PLEASE, NO OUTBURURSTS OF APPLAUSE OR JEERS OR ANYTHING THAT JUST DISRUPTS THE MEETING AND PREVENTS EVERYBODY FROM BEING HEARD THOROUGHLY. AND PLEASE ADDRESS YOUR COMMENTS TO THE COMMISSION, NOT TO OTHER SPEAKERS OF THE APPLICANT OR ANYBODY ELSE. WE'RE HERE TO TAKE IT ALL FOR YOU. NOW, MY GOAL IS TO HAVE AN ORDERLY MEETING WHERE WE ALL CAN. EVERYBODY CAN HAVE THEIR SAY AND THE COMMISSION BE FULLY INFORMED BEFORE MAKING OUR DECISION. AFTER TESTIMONY, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

NO OTHER INPUT WILL BE HEARD UNLESS THE COMMISSIONER HAS A SPECIFIC QUESTION, AND WE WILL REOPEN THAT PARTICULAR DISCUSSION. AND PLEASE REMEMBER, IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK, PLEASE FILL OUT ONE OF THESE SPEAKER CARDS. APPLICANTS WILL BE GIVEN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE. OTHER SPEAKERS WE ALLOW THREE. IF YOU'RE SPEAKING FOR A GROUP LIKE A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, LET US KNOW AND WE'LL DEFINITELY ALLOW MORE TIME. AND PLEASE SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. EVEN THOUGH IT'S VIDEOED, WE STILL NEED THE AUDIO RECORDING OF THE NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE OFFICIAL RECORDS, AND COMMISSIONERS MAY HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU. ALL RIGHT. I BELIEVE THAT GOES FOR IT. AND LET'S GET STARTED. WE'LL

[ CONSENT AGENDA All items under this section are recommended for approval by a single motion of the Plan Commission, without discussion. The Chairman will announce the agenda and provide an opportunity for members of the audience and the Plan Commission to request that an item be removed and considered separately.]

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[a. Hold a public hearing and consider the application of Urban Strategy, requesting a "Major Waiver" from the Downtown Development Code for the at-grade and above-grade window percentage of the facade, architectural articulatio, Build-To-Zone, streetscaping, and a monument sign standards. The site is located at 801 West Avenue D. (District 2) (File DD 24-04)]

REQUESTING A WAIVER FROM THE DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR THE AT GRADE AND ABOVE GRADE WINDOW PERCENTAGE OF A FACADE, ARCHITECTURAL ARCHITECT AND ARCHITECTURAL ARTICULATION SAY THAT THREE TIMES REAL QUICK. BUILD TWO ZONES STREETSCAPING AND MONUMENTAL SIGN REQUIREMENTS. THE SITE IS LOCATED AT 801 WEST AVENUE D. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. GOOD EVENING. THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A DOWNTOWN MAJOR WAIVER FOR THE SITE ADDRESSED AS 801 WEST AVENUE D. THE SITE IS IN THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT IN THE UPTOWN SUBDISTRICT, AND ANY SORT OF MAJOR DEVIATIONS SUCH AS ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN, LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS, HAS TO COME BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL. THE CHURCH IS REQUESTING TO DEMOLISH ABOUT TWO THIRDS OF THE CURRENT STRUCTURE, AS YOU CAN SEE HERERE ON THE SI, AND THEN REBUILD IT. THIS IS A CHURCH AND THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT IS MAINLY BASED OFF OF A FORM BASED TYPE OF DESIGN FOR COMMERCIAL, RETAIL, RESTAURANT TYPE AND MIXED USE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS. SO THIS CHURCH IS A LITTLE SPECIAL BECAUSE IT'S PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN THIS ON THIS PROPERTY. BUT IT STILL HAS TO ADHERE TO CERTAIN DESIGN CRITERIA FOR THE FORM BASED REQUIREMENTS. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES IDENTIFY THIS AS COMPACT NEIGHBORHOODS. COMPACT NEIGHBORHOODS PROVIDES AREAS FOR MODERATE INCREASES IN RESIDENTIAL DENSITY, INCLUDING SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED AND SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOUSING. IT EXPANDS HOUSING OPTIONS THROUGH INFILL AND REDEVELOPMENT WHILE CONTINUING WALKABLE DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS. THESE ARE SOME SITE PHOTOS LOOKING NORTH FROM GLENBROOK AND THEN NORTH FROM WEST AVENUE DEEP. THE CURRENT BUILDING. THESE ARE SOME MORE PHOTOS OF THE PARKING. AND THIS IS THE SITE PLAN THAT THEY SUBMITTED SHOWING THAT THIS IS THE PROPOSED DEMOLITION OF THE CHURCH. AND HERE IS THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE. THE HARDSCAPE PLAN. OKAY. WE'LL GO INTO THE REQUESTS. SO THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A TOTAL OF SIX REQUESTS FOR THIS PROPOSED REMODELING AND DEVELOPMENT. SO THE UPTOWN SUBDISTRICT OF THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT DOES NOT PERMIT FOR MONUMENT SIGNS. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING FOR THERE TO BE A MONUMENT SIGN ON THIS CORNER ON WEST AVENUE D IN GLENBROOK. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE MY CURSOR THERE, BUT IT'S NOT PERMITTED. IT'S NOT PERMITTED THERE. IT'S PROPOSED TO BE 43FTS IN SIZE, TYPICALLY IN OTHER ZONING DISTRICTS WHERE MONUMENT SIGNS ARE PERMITTED, THE MAXIMUM SIZE IS 50FT■S AND THEY ARE WITHIN THE REQUIRED SIDE DISTANCE FROM A PROPERTY LINE OF FIVE FEET. AND TYPICALLY IN THE UPTOWN SUBDISTRICT, A MONUMENT SIGN IS NOT PERMITTED BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE BUILDINGS WAY UP CLOSE TO THE STREET. A LOT OF THE SIGNAGE IS GOING TO BE ON THE BUILDING. IT'S THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE MONUMENT SIGNS TYPICALLY IN THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT, BUT THIS IS A CHURCH.

SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT UNIQUE. THE SECOND REQUEST IS FOR AT GRADE WINDOW PERCENTAGE OF THE FACADE.

THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A WINDOW PERCENTAGE OF 5,056% ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION, 27% ON THE EAST AND 33% ON THE WEST. THE CHURCH OR THE GDC REQUIRES THAT THERE BE GLAZING BETWEEN 60 AND 80% AT THE FIRST LEVEL. SO THESE ARE THE PROPOSED ELEVATIONS, AND THE GDC REQUIRES THAT THERE BE WINDOW GLAZING OF 60 TO 80%. AGAIN, THIS IS BECAUSE THE PERMITTED USE IS, ARE AND PROMOTED USES ARE MIXED USE RETAIL. SO YOU'RE TYPICALLY GOING TO FIND A LOT OF DISPLAY WINDOWS ON THE CORNERS AND ALONG THE FRONTAGES OF DOWNTOWN AREAS. AND THEN THIS IS THE CHURCH. THE THIRD REQUEST IS ABOVE GRADE WINDOW PERCENTAGE WHICH IS ANOTHER TYPE OF WINDOW GLAZING.

AND THIS GOES UP ABOVE THE FIRST FLOOR. AND THE REQUIREMENT IS A MINIMUM OF 30% AND A MAXIMUM OF

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AGAIN, THIS IS A CHURCH. SO IT DOESN'T MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS. THESE ARE SOME MORE ELEVATIONS OF THE BUILDING. THE PROPOSED BUILDING. AND THIS IS THE PROPOSED MONUMENT SIGN THE FRONT. I DON'T SEE A MONUMENT. DO YOU SEE THAT. IT'S DOWN LOW ON THE NORTH SIDE. SORRY. MY CURSOR IS NOT SHOWING ON THERE. YEAH, OKAY. SO STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST BECAUSE THE THIS IS A UNIQUE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. IT'S A CHURCH AND IT'S NOT YOUR TYPICAL RETAIL OR MIXED USE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. AND THE CHURCH IS PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN THIS ZONING DISTRICT. AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT ALSO HAS A PRESENTATION FOR THE COMMISSION.

SO IN OTHER WORDS, GDC WASN'T WRITTEN FOR CHURCHES. YES, SIR. OKAY. AND LET ME STATE FOR THE RECORD THAT COMMISSIONER DUCKWORTH IS RECUSING HIMSELF FROM THIS ITEM. OKAY. ANY ANY QUESTIONS? OH, COMMISSIONER ROSE. THESE ILLUSTRATIONS SHOW A LOT OF TREES. ARE THEY GOING TO PLANT THOSE OR IS THAT JUST HERE FOR PRESENTATION. SO THEY ARE GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO PLANT THE TREES. ALL THESE TREES WE SEE IN THESE ILLUSTRATIONS. SO LET ME TAKE YOU BACK. THESE ARE THE TREES THAT ARE GOING TO BE PLANTED WHERE THE LITTLE DOTS WAY AT THE BOTTOM. YES, SIR. SO THE CIRCLES AND ALL THE CIRCLES, THOSE ARE. THAT'S THE ACTUAL TREE PLANTING OKAY. YES. OKAY.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? COMMISSIONER JENKINS? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. TWO QUESTIONS FOR YOU, MA'AM. FIRST QUESTION, BECAUSE WE NO LONGER REQUIRE DETAILED PLANS. HOW MUCH OF THIS IS THE REQUIRED DEVELOPMENT PLAN OR IS IT SUBJECT TO CHANGE IN THE FUTURE? SO ALL OF THIS AS SHOWN THERE WILL BE HELD TO THIS BECAUSE THIS IS A DOWNTOWN MAJOR WAIVER REQUEST. WEEQUIRE THIS LEVEL OF DETAIL TO SHOW WHAT THE DEVIATIONS ARE. SO THEY WILL BE HELD TO THE ALL THE EXHIBITS ON HERE. THANK YOU. SECOND QUESTION. AND THIS THIS MIGHT

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SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY FEATURE ON THERE. AND THEN SO YOU KNOW, ALSO IN LINE WITH THAT LAST QUESTION, THEY'VE GOT AN ACTIVITY OR DEVELOPMENT CENTER ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET.

I GUESS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION IN AN AREA THAT'S ALREADY INCREDIBLY BUSY BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING ON. I JUST WANT TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT THE CONSTRUCTION DOESN'T OCCUR ON THAT MAJOR THOROUGHFARE AND INSTEAD IS DIRECTED TO SOME OF THE SIDE STREETS, BUT THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY DISTURB THEIR BUSINESS. SO I WAS TRYING TO GET A SENSE OF THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE GOT THAT. THAT MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. SO CONSTRUCTION WISE, LIKE WHEN THEY DO SO WHEN THEY DO WANT TO COME IN AND CONSTRUCT, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SUBMIT A TRAFFICTUDY JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN THEY ARE COMING IN, IF THEY HAVE TO BLOCK ANY ROADS, IT'LL HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT IF THEY NEED TO DISRUPT ANY SORT OF TRAFFIC FLOW OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, IT'LL HAVE TO BE REGULATED BY OUR TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I DON'T HAVE A SPEAKER CARD FOR THE APPLICANT. IS THE APPLICANT HERE AND CARE TO MAKE A PRESENTATION OR. COME ON DOWN? AND PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS IN THE MICROPHONE SIR. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. FRAZIER SCOTT I'M AT 4222 MAIN STREET, DALLAS. YEAH, SO I'LL START US OFF. BUT THAT PRETTY MUCH COVERED EVERYTHING GOING THROUGH IT. IT REALLY WAS A GREAT PRESENTATION. BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS WE'VE PREPARED THIS TO KIND OF FACILITATE THOSE. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR US SPECIFICALLY. SO NEXT SLIDE I'M WITH THE CIVIL DEPARTMENT. SORRY. CIVIL DESIGN COMMISSIONER ROSE WHEN DO YOU EXPECT TO START THIS PROJECT. FIRST YOU HAVE TO TEAR EXISTING FACILITY DOWN. THEN YOU HAVE TO BUILD HOW MANY YEARS IT'S GOING TO BE TAKING. I BELIEVE THAT WE ARE WE'RE LOOKING TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND THEN START THE CIVIL PLAN PROCESS. SO I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT WOULD TAKE ANY LESSON 6 TO 9 MONTHS. SO WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE ALSO WE ALSO HAVE TO GO THROUGH BUILDING PERMITS AS WELL. SO I THINK CONSTRUCTION IS PROBABLY A YEAR OUT. YEAH. YES SIR. GO AHEAD OF YOU. ALL RIGHT.

YES, SIR. I, I JUST REALIZED I'M IN CONTROL OF THE MOUSE. COOL. SO, YEAH, I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE CIVIL SITE PLAN. THE CIVIL SITE PLAN IS GREAT FOR ILLUSTRATING TWO THINGS. WE'VE GOT THE MONUMENT SIGN, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE SPECIFICS ON THE MONUMENT SIGN. WE'LL HAVE THE DIMENSIONS SHOWING THAT IT'S FIVE FOOT INTO THE PROPERTY. SO IF A MONUMENT SIGN WAS PERMITTED, THAT WOULD BE WITHIN THE REQUIREMENTS. OF COURSE, DOWNTOWN WE'RE NOT PERMITTED TO HAVE ONE, BUT IT'S A CHURCH. AND SO IT'S VERY HELPFUL TO HAVE VISIBILITY SO THAT PEOPLE KNOW THEY'RE IN THE RIGHT PLACE. YOU KNOW, WE'RE HERE TO WORSHIP, RIGHT? SO HERE WE GO. IT'S NOT SHOWN, BUT IT'S DOWN THERE WHERE WE SHOWED ON THE ON THE ELEVATION RENDERINGS, KIND OF THAT SOUTH EAST CORNER. THE RED HERE IS SHOWN FOR THE OVERHANGS FOR THE CANOPIES WHERE THEY EXCEED INTO THE BUILD TO ZONE. RIGHT. SOME OF THAT IS VERY USEFUL KEEPING PEOPLE OUT OF THE RAIN AS THEY'RE WAITING THERE FOR, YOU KNOW, GETTING IN AND OUT OF THE BUILDING, VERY ACCOMMODATING FOR A CHURCH, RIGHT. IF I MAY DO A QUICK INTERRUPTION ON YOUR WEST SIDE THERE THAT SHOWS THE RED IS GOING OVER THE PROPERTY LINE. YES, SIR. YES, SIR. SO THAT CANOPY AREA RIGHT THERE IS, IS ACTUALLY JUST FOR THE PULL UP, THE KIND OF A LOADING ZONE JUST TO KEEP PEOPLE OUT OF THE COVER. IT'S NOT ACTUALLY THE BUILDING, IT'S JUST A CANOPY. WELL, I'LL LET BUILDING INSPECTION HANDLE THAT ONE. YES, SIR. YES, SIR. GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT. OH THAT'S IT. YEAH, I'M. KEEP IT SHORT. THAT PRESENTATION WAS GREAT. IT PRETTY MUCH COVERED EVERYTHING. BUT THIS IS A GOOD ILLUSTRATION OF THOSE THINGS. IF YOU HAD SOME FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS. ALRIGHTY. COMMISSIONER JENKINS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. HOW LONG DID IT TAKE FOR YOU ALL TO DEVELOP THE PROPOSAL THAT WE'VE GOT BEFORE US THIS EVENING? AND CAN YOU TALK TO US ABOUT, LIKE, WHY SOME OF THOSE DECISIONS WERE MADE, GIVE US ANY SORT OF BACKGROUND YOU CAN ABOUT THE SPECIFIC REQUESTS. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. SO REALLY THIS PROCESS I BELIEVE WAS STARTED TEN YEARS AGO BEFORE I WAS REALLY HERE. SO THIS IS KIND OF BEEN, YOU KNOW, GETTING TO A CERTAIN POINT AND THEN MAKING SURE THAT EVERYTHING'S MET AS FAR AS BUDGET SOMETIME

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SO IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME COMING. WE'RE CONSTANTLY GOING THROUGH TRYING TO MEET AS MUCH AS WE CAN THE DOWNTOWN CODE. IT'S TRICKY BECAUSE THE CHURCH HAS BEEN HERE SINCE, YOU KNOW, LATE 1800S AND DOESN'T FIT KIND OF THE MODERN IDEA FOR THIS AREA. SO WE'RE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, APPLY SOME OF THESE CONCEPTS, APPLY SOME OF THESE AS MUCH AS WE CAN. BUT AS FAR AS TIMELINE, SINCE I'VE BEEN INVOLVED, I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN WE'VE BEEN GOING AT THIS ONE FOR A YEAR.

IT'S TRYING TO GET TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY. YES, SIR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I JUST HAD A QUICK OBSERVATION. YOU'VE GOT THE SIGN ALONG AVENUE D, THE MONUMT SIGN, AND HE THOUGHT OF A CORRESPONDING ONE, KIND OF MAKING IT A CORNER FEATURE ALONG SOUTH GLENBROOK. AND IF ANY THOUGHT OF THAT WOULD, YOU MIGHT NEED SOME MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE OR ANY CONSIDERATIONS ON THAT.

OKAY. ADDING A SECOND MONUMENT SIGN ALONG GLENBROOK AS WELL. RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT THE STAIRS COMING DOWN AND THEN A RAMP JUST TO THE NORTH OF THAT RAMP. SO MAYBE ALONG THAT WALL WE COULD WE COULD PLACE A SIGN THERE. BUT YEAH, NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE. ALRIGHTY. OKAY, JUST A QUESTION.

YES, SIR. YEAH. SOME OF THESE ARCHITECTURAL COULD HAVE A BETTER IDEA. THEY'VE THEY'VE GOT THE VISION. YEAH, WELL, WE JUST MAKE IT HAPPEN, RIGHT? THAT'S MY PROBLEM. I'M AN ARCHITECT BY TRADE, SO. OKAY. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. I'M HAPPY TO HELP. WE HAVE NO OTHER QUESTIONS FOR YOU. YES, SIR. WELL, THANK YOU GUYS. APPRECIATE IT. ALL RIGHT. HEY. OH GO AHEAD SIR. YEAH.

WE'VE GOT A GOT A COUPLE MORE. MY NAME IS SHANE GARTHOFF. FIVE SIX, FOUR SIX MILTON STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS. I'M THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT ON THE PROJECT, SO I CAN SPEAK TO THE WAIVER ABOUT THE TREES AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE. SO WE CAN COMPLY WITH ALL OF THE DOWNTOWN REGULATIONS IN TERMS OF THE DECORATIVE HARDSCAPING AND THE FOUNDATION PLANTINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THE ONE AREA THAT WE'RE COMING UP SHORT IS IN THE TREE SPACING. SO WE CREATED THIS EXHIBIT JUST TO ILLUSTRATE ALL THE AREAS THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED RED ARE ESSENTIALLY THE AREAS THAT WE CANNOT PLANT A TREE. SO WE THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE HELPFUL TO SHOW YOU BETWEEN REQUIRED VISIBILITY TRIANGLES, REQUIRED SIDEWALKS, AND THEN JUST THE BUILDING AND THE OVERHANGS AND SOME OF THE REALITIES OF UNDERGROUND UTILITIES ON THE SITE. WE'VE TRIED TO MAXIMIZE ALL THE REMAINING AREAS WITH TREES. SO ALONG AVENUE D WE ARE ABLE TO MEET THE REQUIRED 25 FOOT SPACING FOR THE TREES. BUT ON GLENBROOK AND NINTH STREET, JUST DUE TO SOME OF THE SITE CONSTRAINTS THAT WE HAVE, WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT ALTERNATE TREE PLANTINGS ON THOSE SITES. ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING I'M TOBIAS NEWHAM WITH BEC ARCHITECTURE 10114 LAKE MIRROR IN DALLAS. JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE BUILDING AND BE ABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. SO AS STATED IN THE PRESENTATION THAT THIS IS THE MAIN PRIMARY USE IS AS A CHURCH. AND SO THERE ARE SOME LARGE VOLUME SPACES FOR WORSHIP, THE WORSHIP ROOM AS WELL AS A CHAPEL WHICH ARE WHICH HAVE TERRACE SEATING AND STAGE AREAS WHICH YOU KNOW, DO NOT LEND THEMSELVES TO, TO WINDOWS. AND SO WE'VE TRIED TO BALANCE THAT WITH THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING BY PLACING A LARGE GLASS LOBBY THAT IS COMPLETELY TRANSPARENT, THAT THAT IS ON THE MAIN CORNER OF GLENBROOK AND AVENUE D, IN ORDER TO HELP ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT BALANCE WITH THE AMOUNT OF GLASS AND THE AMOUNT OF SOLID WITHIN THE FACADE, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE CANOPIES THAT COME OUT THE CANOPIES. AGAIN, THOSE ARE FOR CONVENIENCE USE FOR WEDDINGS AND FUNERALS THAT MAY OCCUR WITHIN THE CHAPEL. SO ALL PROTECTION FROM THE WEATHER FOR PARISHIONERS OR ATTENDEES TO THE TO THOSE EVENTS. A BETTER VIEW OF THAT. AND THEN AGAIN THE OTHER ARE SOME OF THE PERCENTAGES OF WINDOWS ARE A LITTLE BIT LOWER THAN THAN IT IS IN THE REGULATIONS, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO BALANCE THAT WITH THE LARGE GLASS LOBBY AREA. AND SO WE KNOW WE HAVE SOME, SOME, SOME SOLID AREAS WITH THE, WITH THE WORSHIP ROOM AND THE CHAPEL, BUT THAT THAT GLASS LOBBY IS, IS THERE TO BALANCE THE AMOUNT OF VISIBILITY AND TRANSPARENCY. AND IT'S ON THAT MAIN CORNER OF GLENBROOK, GLENBROOK AND AVENUE D, AVENUE D, AND THEN THE DARKER AREA THAT'S ON THE ON THE BOTTOM IMAGE TO THE, TO THE LEFT, THAT IS THE EXISTING BUILDING THAT PARTS THAT ARE NOT BEING ADJUSTED BY THIS, THIS CONSTRUCTION AND THEN THE OVERHANG. AS PREVIOUSLY STATED, THE OVERHANG IS NOT ANY OR THE GOING OVER THE SETBACK LINE IS NOT ANY PART OF OCCUPIABLE SPACE. IT IS JUST CANOPIES AND OVERHANG AWNINGS THAT ARE ATTACHED TO THE BUILDING OR EXTENSIONS OF THE BUILDING.

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[b. Hold a public hearing and consider the application of Trak Group Inc., requesting a Specific Use Provision (SUP) for Fuel Pumps, Retail use on property zoned Community Retail (CR). The property is addressed as 3420 W Walnut Road. (District 6) (File Z 24-02)]

YEAH NO PROBLEM. SO COMMISSIONERS, THIS REQUEST IS FOR A SPECIFIC USE PROVISION FOR FUEL PUMPS RETAIL ON THE SUBJECT SITE ADDRESSED AS 3420 WEST WALNUT STREET. THE BASE ZONING IS COMMUNITY RETAIL AND IN THE COMMUNITY RETAIL ZONING DISTRICT AND SUPP'S REQUIRED FOR FUEL PUMPS, FUEL PUMPS. AN SCP FOR FUEL PUMPS WAS ACTUALLY APPROVED ON THIS SITE BACK IN 1998, AND IT WAS APPROVED FOR A PERIOD OF 20 YEARS, SO IT HAS SINCE EXPIRED IN 2018. SO THE APPLICANT IS COMING BACK TO APPLY FOR A SPECIFIC USE PROVISION FOR THE FUEL PUMPS.

THE EXISTING SITE IS 21,060FT■S IN SIZE. AND THEN THIS IS THE SUBJECT SITE. AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IDENTIFIES THIS AS URBAN NEIGHBORHOODS. URBAN NEIGHBORHOODS ARE HIGHER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS. THIS RESIDENTIAL OPTION MAY UTILIZE VERTICAL MIXED USE INTEGRATED INTO THE SURROUNDING AREA, REFLECTING THE AREA'S DOMINANT CHARACTER OR, WHEN DESIRED, PROMOTING A NEW CHARACTER, AND IT ALSO SUPPORTS APPROPRIATE NONRESIDENTIAL USES AS WELL. THESE ARE SOME SITE PHOTOS OF THE CONVENIENCE STORE AND THEN THE FUEL PUMPS. THE SUP TIME PERIOD GUIDE RECOMMENDS A PERIOD OF 20 TO 25 YEARS, AND THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING FOR THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED PERIOD. THE APPLICANT WILL BE INSTALLING ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING IN THE MEDIAN PERVIOUS SURFACES ON THE SOUTH EDGE AND ON THE EDGES ALONG THE RIGHT OF WAY. STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE SCP REQUEST. WE RECOMMEND A PERIOD OF FIVE YEARS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THE PROPOSED AND ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING IS GOING TO BE KEPT UP TO DATE AND UP TO MAINTAINED PROPERLY, AND ALSO TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING APPLICANTS TO TRY AND COME BACK WHEN THE SCP IS ACTUALLY EXPIRED. BESIDES THAT, THIS SITE HAS BEEN OPERATING FOR ABOUT TWO DECADES NOW, SERVING THE COMMUNITY. YES. ALL RIGHTY. ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER JENKINS? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. QUESTION FOR STAFFFF REGARDING THE REASONING FOR THE SCP TIME FRAME. MY QUESTION IS, AND I UNDERSTAND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ENFORCEMENT, WOULD ISSUANCE OF A CITATION CODE CITATION BE BE OKAY IN THE EVENT THAT THEY AREN'T, YOU KNOW, FOLLOWING THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE PD? YEAH, IT WOULD. AND I ALSO CHECKED WITH CODE. AND OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS THEY THEY'VE HAD JUST MINIMAL TYPICAL CODE VIOLATIONS SIGNAGE, LANDSCAPING. WHEN THE STORM CAME THE CANOPY FELL AND THEY'VE TAKEN CARE OF IT. SO IT COULD DEFINITELY BE ADDRESSED BY A CODE. SO WE COULD. RECOMMEND A LONGER TIME FRAME. YES, SIR.

THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER ABEL. THANK YOU. WAS THIS CITY DRIVEN OR IS THIS APPLICANT DRIVEN? SO

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IT'S IN THE WORKS. I THINK WE ARE WORKING ON IT. I MEAN, THERE YOU GO. WE ARE WORKING ON IT.

THIS IS SOMETHING COUNCIL HAS DIRECTED STAFF TO LOOK INTO AND REPORT BACK TO THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES COMMITTEE. SO WE'RE LOOKING DILIGENTLY INTO HOW MANY SOPS WE HAVE. WHAT ARE THE EXPIRATION DATES AND HOW WE CAN REGULATE IT. BUT AS OF TODAY, BECAUSE WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE A SYSTEM TO TRACK ALL THOSE, IT HAS NOT BEEN KEPT UP AS DESIRED. MY THOUGHTS ARE, I MEAN, I, I SHOP AT THIS GAS STATION. I LIVE ON THE BLOCK. SO THEY COME, THEY STAY. WE TYPICALLY LIKE THEM. AND THAT'S ALSO ANOTHER CONSIDERATION. WHEN WE RESEARCH THIS, WE'RE GOING TO LOOK INTO HOW FEASIBLE IS TO CONTINUE HAVING THESE TIME FRAMES ASSOCIATED WITH THE SUPS.

BUT ALL OF THAT IS SUBJECT TO A FUTURE DISCUSSION. BUT THE CASE TODAY DOES HAVE A RECOMMENDED TIME FRAME FROM STAFF AND A REQUESTED TIME FRAME FROM APPLICANT. OKAY. THANK Y.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THE APPLICANT MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER THIS ONE. IS THIS THE SAME OWNER SINCE 1998? I BELIEVE IT IS THE SAME OWNER. OKAY. YES. YEAH. THEY'LL CONFIRM IT'S JUST RENEWING. SUPS IS PROBABLY NOT ON THE TOP OF THE LIST OF THINGS TO KEEP IN YR MIND. OKAY? AND I BELIEVE IN OUR SUPS AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. WE HAVE LANGUAGE THAT STATES THAT THEY HAVE TO. AND IN PDS, I KNOW IT'S IN PDS. I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN ADD IT TO THE SUP THAT STATES THAT THEY HAVE TO MAINTAIN THE LANDSCAPING UP TO A CERTAIN STANDARD OR RISK LOSING. YES, THAT'S ACTUALLY PUT IN THE SUP CONDITIONS. YEAH. SO THE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING IS ALSO, IF THIS IS APPROVED, WILL BE WRITTEN INTO THE ORDINANCE AND WITH THE MAINTENANCE OF IT.

YEAH. AND WE COULD PROBABLY PUT A CLAUSE IN THERE SAYING ALL NEW LANDSCAPING HAS TO BE DONE WITHIN SIX EIGHT MONTHS. OTHERWISE THEY LOSE THEIR SUP. YES. WE COULD PROBABLY ADD THAT INTO. YES. SO SHORTENING THE TIME SPAN IS A SOND MECHANISM. YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

COMMISSIONER DUCKWORTH, YES. YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE HAD BEEN SOME MINOR CODE VIOLATIONS OVER THE YEARS. ARE THERE ARE THERE ANY CURRENT EXISTING CODE VIOLATIONS FROM THIS APPLICANT? OKAY. THANK YOU. I THINK THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. NOW, MR. KHALID, RIZWAN AND I PROBABLY MISPRONOUNCED YOUR NAME. I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. I DO THAT A LOT. SO BE PREPARED TONIGHT, FOLKS. GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. MY NAME IS KHAD. I'M TALKING ABOUT FOR THE PROPERTY, 3420 WEST WALNUT STREET. AND THE THING IS 2018 IT IS. IT WAS EXPIRED. BUT I GOT A NOTICE IN 2020. AND AT THAT TIME IT WAS THE COVID SCENARIOS. AND SO I DID COME A COUPLE OF TIMES.

I TALKED TO THE PEOPLE WHO WERE THERE. AND ACTUALLY I DID TALK TO THREE DIFFERENT PEOPLE FROM THE TIME I STARTED THE PROCESS. AND THEN I ALSO HAD COVID AND I WAS OVERSEAS FOUR TIMES. AND SO HAVING ALL THIS SIDE. SO IT'S THAT'S WHY IT TOOK A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN WHAT IT SHOULD. AND THIS WAS MY FIRST TIME. I ALSO DIDN'T UNDERSTAND HOW SOME OF THE THINGS NEEDS TO BE WORDED OR WHAT I HAVE TO DO. SO BASICALLY NOW I KNOW. SO I DID IT. SO AND THE ONLY QUESTION I ALSO HAD.

BUT THEN AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND THE CITY PLANNING AND THE WAY THEY RECOMMEND THINGS IS FOR FIVE YEARS, NOT THE 20. USUALLY THAT'S WHAT THEY DO. THERE MIGHT BE SOME POSITIONS, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE IT TOOK A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN FOR THE PERMIT TO BE TO BE APPROPRIATED, BUT NEVERTHELESS, BECAUSE OF THE SCENERY, AS YOU KNOW, THE COVID AND ALL THIS, IT TOOK A LITTLE LONGER. I DO HAVE SOME RESPONSIBILITY TO ADMIT THAT.

BUT THEN AGAIN, SOME OF THE THINGS I JUST DIDN'T UNDERSTAND VERY CLEARLY WHERE TO GO AND WHOM TO GO AND WHAT TO DO. BUT NEVERTHELESS, CITY PEOPLE WERE VERY NICE, AND WHEN I CAME THEY REALLY HELPED ME. SO I'M OKAY WITH THAT. AND AS FAR AS THE LANDSCAPING GOES, YES, IT NEEDS TO BE. IN FACT, I DID SOME BEFORE, LONG TIME AGO, SOME TREES, FLOWERS, BUT SOME OF IT

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THANK YOU. ANY OTHER? YES, COMMISSIONER. ABEL, I JUST WANTED YOU ARE THE YOU'RE THE OWNER THAT HAS BEEN THERE FOR THE 20 YEARS. YES. MY BROTHER IN LAW WAS THERE AND THEN I CAME.

YES, WE WERE FROM THERE FROM THE VERY BEGINNING. AND ARE YOU OPPOSED TO A SHORTER. SUP? WOULD THAT OKAY. HAVING IT JUST MY COMMON SENSE THING. THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING. BUT I'M NOT ON THAT SIDE OR I'M NOT OVER THERE EITHER. SO MY, MY POINT IS THAT USUALLY, USUALLY THAT'S HOW IT DOES TO THE OTHERS. BUT IF THERE IS ANY CHANGE IN THE CITY PLANNING OR CITY RULES, I HAVE NO OBJECTION THERE. BUT IF THERE IS NOT, WHY I WOULD BE JUST, YOU KNOW, SUBJECT TO BE MYSELF. SO THAT WAS THE ONLY POINT. BUT THEN AGAIN, LOOK, END OF THE DAY, THAT'S MY BUSINESS. THAT'S MY LIFE. SO I HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF IT. I GATHER. WHAT, YOU'VE BEEN THERE? YES. YOU KEEP THE PLACE CLEAN. I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND. I SEE IT ALMOST. I DRIVE BY IT THREE TIMES A DAY.

OH. THANK YOU. UNDERSTAND? COME BY THEN. AND SO I. I'M NOT REALLY SURE THAT WHY IT IS SO.

BUT IF THERE ARE SOME LOGICS BEHIND IT THAT IF IT IS FIVE YEARS, THAT'S BETTER FOR THE CITY OR THE PLANNERS HOW THEY ARE THINKING ABOUT IT, THAT'S OKAY WITH ME. BUT IF IT IS POSSIBLE, THEN YEAH, A LITTLE BIT LONGER WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER. BUT THEN AGAIN, ANYTHING IS FINE WITH ME. I REALLY DON'T MIND TOO MUCH. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER PARIS. AND THIS QUESTION IS ACTUALLY FOR STAFF. I MAY WAIT UNTIL WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN ASK THE QUESTION, OR WE CAN GO AHEAD AND CHIME IN NOW. SO TYPICALLY OUR AVERAGE SUP FOR FUEL PUMPS IS WHAT'S THE AVERAGE. IS IT AROUND 23 YEARS. SUP GUIDELINE SAYS 20 TO 25 YEARS. THAT IS CORRECT OKAY. THANK YOU. YES. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING DOWN. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE NO OTHER SPEAKER CARDS IN THIS CASE. ANYBODY ELSE CARE TO SPEAK ON THIS CASE? OKAY. SEEING NONE. COMMMMISSIONER MOTION DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER ABLE I WOULD FIRST MOVE I WOULD FIRST MOVE THAT WE WOULD CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND DISCUSS AMONGST US. OKAY. WE WILL OKAY. A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING BY COMMISSIONER ABEL HEARD THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JENKINS, I BELIEVE THIS IS TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. WE ARE NOW IN DISCUSSION MODE. WHO WISHES TO START? COMMISSIONER ABEL, WHY IS IT ALWAYS ME? YOU'RE QUICK. SO I. I'M IN LINE TO SAY 5 TO 10 YEARS. YOU KNOW, I WANT TO SEE THE CITY COME UP WITH SOME SORT OF. PROGRAM. BECAUSE THIS IS A LOT FOR A STORE OWNER TO KEEP UP WITH. YOU KNOW, IT'S THAT WAS ALSO OUR REASONING, BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO ACTIVELY LOOK INTO HOW THE TIME FRAMES ARE GOING TO BE TRACKED AND NOTIFIED. VERY RECENTLY, WE DIDN'T WANT TO DO THE SAME THING THAT WE DID BACK IN 1998, WHICH CAUSED FOR THIS BUSINESS TO OPERATE WITHOUT THE

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NOW I'M GETTING OFF MY SOAPBOX. I PROMISE I DON'T HAVE A STRONG INCLINATION ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.

IF STAFF BELIEVES THAT IT'S THROUGH ITS PROCESSES THAT IT'S WITHIN THE CITY'S BEST INTEREST TO DO THE FIVE YEAR PROGRAM, THEN I'M ON BOARD. THANK YOU. I DO WANT TO CLARIFY SOMETHING.

THE SHORTER TIMEFRAME RECOMMENDED BY STAFF IS NOT TO BE PUNITIVE. IT IS BECAUSE WE ARE LOOKING INTO SOME PROCEDURES AND WE WANT TO AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, EVERY SINGLE SUP THAT IS THAT ARE GOING TO BE OUT THERE. WE WANT TO BRING THEM INTO THAT PROCEDURE ONCE THAT ESTABLISHED. SO IF WE HAVE A 20 YEAR TIME FRAME ON THIS, THEN EVEN IF WE ESTABLISH THAT PROCEDURE IN THE NEXT ONE YEAR OR SO, WE WON'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY I MEAN, WE CAN TRACK THAT THROUGH THE SYSTEM, BUT WE WON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TRULY IMPLEMENT ALL OF THAT FOR THIS SUP, THIS PARTICULAR SUP, FOR EXAMPLE. AND I'M NOT SAYING THERE'S NO DIRECTION ON THAT AND WE HAVEN'T REALLY LOOKED INTO IT. FOR EXAMPLE, LET'S SAY STAFF FINDS OUT THAT MOST CITIES DON'T EVEN IMPLEMENT A TIME FRAME. SO IN COUPLE YEARS THAT GOES AWAY. I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S A POSSIBILITY. SO IN FIVE YEARS, THIS PROPERTY OWNER DOES HAVE

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AND I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A TEN YEAR SUP SECOND. OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER ABEL TO APPROVE WITH A TEN YEAR SUP. AND I THINK I HEARD THE FIRST SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ROSE. AND THANK YOU. I WAS GOING TO MAKE A COMMENT 10 TO 20 YEARS BECAUSE OTHERWISE, WITH HIS LUCK, HE SHOULD START TOMORROW FOR HIS NEXT SUP. ALRIGHTY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO APPROVE WITH A TEN YEAR TIME LIMIT ON THE SUP. SEEING NO DISCUSSION, PLEASE VOTE. EXCUSE ME. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS ITEM TWO. C HOLD A

[c. Hold a public hearing and consider the application of The Kroger Co., requesting approval of a Specific Use Provision for Fuel Pumps, Retail use. The site is located at 6850 North Shiloh Road. (District 1) (File Z 25-03)]

GO AHEAD. OLD HABITS DIE HARD. I'VE ONLY BEEN DOING THIS 18 YEARS. IT'S KIND OF INGRAINED.

I'M AN OLD DOG. I'M TRYING TO LEARN A NEW TRICK. COMMISSIONERS, THIS IS A REQUEST FOR AN SCP FOR FUEL PUMPS. RETAIL USE ON THE SITE ADDRESSED 6850 NORTH SHILOH ROAD. THE SITE CURRENTLY DOES HAVE AN EXISTING KROGER, AND THE FUEL PUMPS, IF APPROVED, WOULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH THE KROGER STORE. THE SITE IS 6.183 ACRES IN SIZE, AND IT DOES HAVE A PD ZONING OF 98 PD 98 DASH 28 WITH A BASE ZONING OF COMMUNITY RETAIL. THIS IS THE SUBJECT SITE. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IDENTIFIES THIS AREA FOR AS COMMUNITY CENTE. A COMMUNITY CENTERS ARE AREAS WITH COMPACT DEVELOPMENT, PRIMARILY NONRESIDENTIAL, SERVING A COLLECTION OF NEIGHBORHOODS.

THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT CONSISTS OF A MIXTURE OF USES INCLUDING RETAIL, OFFICE USE, MULTIFAMILY, RESIDENTIAL, AND ENTERTAINMENT USES. THESE ARE SOME SITE PHOTOS OF THE KROGER AND THE PARKING LOT. AND THIS IS THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN. AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN, THE ORANGE AREA IS THE PROPOSED FUEL PUMPS, AND THE GRAY AREA IS THE EXISTING PARKING SPACES. THE FUEL PUMPS WILL TAKE UP APPROXIMATELY OR ACTUALLY EXACTLY 63 PARKING SPACES. AND THE PARKING FOR THE KROGER WILL STILL BE IN SURPLUS, EVEN THOUGH 63 PARKING SPACES ARE GOING TO BE TAKEN UP. THE SCP TIMELINE GUIDE PERIOD IS IT'S 20 TO 25 YEARS. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING AN INDEFINITE TIME PERIOD. WE DID GET SOME LETTERS IN RESPONSE TO THE REQUEST. A LOT OF THE OR A COUPLE OF THE REQUESTS HAD TO DO WITH COMPLAINTS ON TRAFFIC AND THE AMOUNT OF ACCIDENTS THAT OCCUR IN THAT AREA. THE APPLICANTS, ALONG WITH THE CITY, WILL BE INSTALLING. I'M NOT SURE IF YOU CAN SEE IT. SOME TRAFFIC SIGNALS FOR AT THAT INTERSECTION. YOU CAN SEE IT ON YOUR SCREEN TO HELP TO ALLEVIATE THE TRAFFIC SITUATION THAT IS GOING ON THERE RIGHT NOW. A STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST, BUT FOR THE TYPICAL 20 TO 25 YEARS AND NOT INDEFINITE. AND THE APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE WITH A PRESENTATION. ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER DUCKWORTH AND COMMISSIONER JENKINS. THANK YOU. EMMA, BEFORE

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IT'LL BE AT THAT INTERSECTION. OH, OKAY. IT'LL BE DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE STREET, OUT OF THE SUBDIVISION LEADING TO IT. A LITTLE SOUTH OF THE WHITE BOX. BUT IS THAT GOING TO BE A NORMAL TURN SIGNAL? IT'S GOING TO BE A SIGNAL WITH TRAFFIC LIGHTS THERE THAT WILL BE INSTALLED. I MEAN, 30 MINUTES ON, 30 MINUTES OFF FOR EACH DIRECTION. I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE SPECIFIC DETAILS.

TRAFFIC. TRAFFIC WILL FIGURE THAT ONE. YEAH. TRANSPORTATION. MY THINKING IS THAT YOU'RE PUTTING TWO RED LIGHTS WITHIN A QUARTER OF A MILE OF EACH OTHER. THEY WOULD NEED TO BE SYNCED.

YEAH. THANK YOU. AND COMMISSIONER JENKINS DROPPED OUT. COMMISSIONER DALTON, THEN COMMISSIONER JENKINS. BACK ON ME. IS THERE ANY LANDSCAPING GOING TO BE DONE IMMEDIATELY AROUND THOSE PUMPS? THE CONCEPT PLAN IS NOT SHOWING OF ANY PROPOSED LANDSCAPING, BUT THE COMMISSION CAN RECOMMEND THAT THERE BE SOME ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING TO BE PLANTED IN THERE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER JENKINS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. WILL A TRAFFIC STUDY BE NECESSARY FOR THE SUBMITTAL ONCE IT GOES FORWARD? YES. JUST BECAUSE OF THE CURRENT ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN GOING ON WITH THE ACCIDENTS AND WITH THE CONGESTION IN THIS AREA, AND TRANSPORTATION HAS ALREADY STARTED WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT ON THIS, BUT THEY'LL KNOW THE EXACT DETAILS ABOUT IT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? I HAVE SOME THAT MAY BE MORE RELATED TO THE APPLICANT, BUT AT LEAST THEY'LL KNOW BY MY COUNT. AND I'VE SEEN DIFFERENT TERMINOLOGY ON THESE GAS STATIONS COME THROUGH, AND I'M ALWAYS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW MANY PUMPS ARE THERE. THEY PUMP GAS ON THE OTHER SIDE. SO WHAT I'M SEEING IN THE APPLICANT CAN PROBABLY CONFIRM FIVE PUMPS IN EITHER SIDE. IT'LL MAKE TEN CARS THAT CAN GAS AT ONE TIME.

SO BY MY READING OF THE PLAN, THERE WILL NOT BE TANDEM PUMPS AT EACH AISLE. RIGHT. SO IT'D BE 20 BECAUSE I THINK THAT'D BE OVERLOAD FOR THAT. YEAH. OKAY. WELL IT'S BUT BUT THE APPLICANT CAN ANSWER THAT. YES. AND THEN APPLICANT CAN PROBABLY ALSO ANSWER IF THERE'S GOING TO BE ANY CANOPY LIGHTING, IF THE CANOPY IS GOING TO BE BACK LIT OR ANYTHING THAT WOULD SHINE INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE COMING BACK LATER TO ASK FOR SIGNAGE VARIANCES OR ANYTHING, IF THEY'VE CALCULATED THAT IN ALREADY AS A LITTLE BIT OF A BACKGROUND FOR KIND OF EVERYBODY IN 2015, WITH NEW GDC, WE DROPPED PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR SHOPPING CENTERS AND AREAS LIKE THAT. AND WE'VE BEEN HOPING THAT SOME OF THESE OVER PARKED PLACES WOULD FIND SOME NEW LIFE. AND THIS IS PART OF THAT PROCESS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHTY.

LIKE I STARTED TO SAY EARLIER, I'VE GOT FOUR CARDS. THEY MAY ALL BE THE APPLICANT OR NOT. TO I'VE GOT BILL DAHLSTROM JOSEPH. GREER, GORDON. OKAY. THAT'S 2D. OH THAT'S THAT'S ANOTHER ONE.

OKAY. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ON THIS. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? YOU CARE TO COME ON DOWN? THERE'S THAT YOUNG LADY THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. HELLO, ALL. I'M MICHAEL SERRATO WITH CEI ENGINEERING, 3030 LYNDON B JOHNSON, DALLAS, TEXAS. THANK YOU FOR TAKING YOUR TIME TODAY TO REVIEW OUR FUEL CENTER. AS YOU CAN SEE, AS EMMA MENTIONED, THAT IS THE LOCATION OF OUR FUEL CENTER. OUR OPERATIONAL DURATION. WE HOPE TO MAINTAIN THE FUEL STATION AS LONG AS WE HAVE A LEASE FOR THE SITE. SO SHOULD THE LANDLORD EVER DECIDE TO NOT RENEW OUR LEASE, KROGER WOULD DEMO THE FUEL STATION AND REVERT IT TO HOW IT CURRENTLY SITS. AS STATED, FUEL CENTER LOCATION IS ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER. IT IS A FIVE INLINE DISPENSER TEMPLATE WHICH, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, ACTUALLY IS TEN FUELING POSITIONS. SO ONE PUMP TWO TWO FUELING POSITIONS. HOW WE'LL ADDRESS THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS. JUST AS EMMA STATED,

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DRAINAGE PATTERNS SHOULD REMAIN THE SAME. OH SORRY SITE WILL BE REPLANTED TO ENCOMPASS THE PROPOSED FUEL STATION, AND THERE IS NO SUBSTANTIAL ITEMS FROM A CIVIL PERSPECTIVE THAT SHOULD CAUSE ISSUE. WHY ARE WE ADDING THIS FUEL STATION? FOR ONE THING, IT'S A CONVENIENCE FOR OUR CUSTOMERS. YOU KNOW, IT'S A GREAT THING TO ONCE YOU DO YOUR SHOPPING, GET YOUR FUEL AT THE SAME TIME. AND NOT TO MENTION THOSE WONDERFUL KROGER FUEL POINTS. AND ONE THING ABOUT THESE FUEL SITES IS 80% OF KROGER CUSTOMERS THAT GO TO THE FUEL CENTER. THAT'S WHO GO TO THE FUEL STATION. SO THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF OUTSIDE CONSUMERS THAT ARE BEING BROUGHT IN. IT'S MOSTLY KIND OF INTERNAL CUSTOMERS. AND AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THOSE WONDERFUL KROGER FUEL POINTS GIVEN CHEAPER GAS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT BRINGS COMPETITIVE PRICING. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. SOME OF THE BACKGROUND OF IT, THE FUEL OPERATIONS ARE 24 OVER SEVEN, BUT THERE WILL ONLY BE AN ATTENDANT AT THE KIOSK FROM 6 A.M. TO 10 P.M. AFTER 10 P.M, THERE'S A 25 GALLON LIMIT FOR CUSTOMERS. THERE ARE EMERGENCY STOPS FOR THE PUMPS THROUGHOUT THE AROUND THE KIOSK IN CASE ANYTHING GOES WRONG. EMERGENCY SIGNS ARE EVERYWHERE. DIRECTING PEOPLE TO THE EMERGENCY STOPS. THERE'S A 911 CALL BOX FOR AFTER HOUR EMERGENCIES. THEY ARE ABLE TO GO INTO THE STORE SHOULD THEY NEED ANYTHING PERTAINING TO THE FUEL CENTER. AND JUST A FUN LITTLE FACT OVER 20 YEARS ACROSS 67 FUEL LOCATIONS, KROGER HAS ONLY HAD TWO REPORTABLE SPILLS, INCLUDING OVERNIGHT OPERATIONS, AND PART OF THAT IS DUE TO THE ASSOCIATES IN THE DISPENSING AREA THEY HAVE. KROGER HAS A RIGID CHECKLIST THAT EMPLOYEES ARE SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW TO HELP MAINTAIN SAFETY STANDARDS, CLEANLINESS. SO THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO INSPECT AND CLEAN DISPENSERS WHENEVER THEY'RE NOT ACTIVELY ASSISTING CUSTOMERS. THEY DO HAVE A 15 POINT DISPENSARY CLEANING CHECKLIST THAT IS COMPLETED DAILY, ALONG WITH WEEKLY PREVENTATIVE CLEANING.

AND THAT'S TO ASSIST CUSTOMERS IN, FOR ONE THING, HAVING A HYGIENIC FUEL STATION ALONG WITH KEEPING CUSTOMERS SAFE. KROGER'S PROCESS TO ENSURE THE PROPER INSTALLATION OF THE UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANKS. OUR CONTRACTORS ARE CERTIFIED BY THE TANK MANUFACTURER. A KROGER PROJECT MANAGER PERFORMS A 36 POINT INSTALL CHECKLIST AND COMPANY CERTIFIED TO INSTALL. THERE IS A LOCAL TEXAS ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY AGENT THERE TO WITNESS TANK INSTALLATION AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WITNESSES AS REQUIRED. PRESSURE AS REQUIRED. PRESSURE TEST AND INSTALLATION OF TANKS. AND THAT IS ALL. I'M HERE MORE SPECIFICALLY TO ANSWER KIND OF CIVIL RELATED QUESTIONS.

I DO HAVE A KROGER REPRESENTATIVE FOR MORE SPECIFIC KROGER OPERATIONS. ANY QUESTIONS? YES. COMMISSIONER DALTON AND COMMISSIONER JENKINS, MY QUESTION MAY BE MORE DIRECTED TOWARDS KROGER. MY QUESTION GOES BACK TO WHAT I SAID A WHILE AGO ABOUT HAVING SOME TYPE OF LANDSCAPING AROUND THE STREET SIDE OF THIS FACILITY, AND WE'LL NEED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. CRAIG WINKLER WITH KROGER COMPANY, 751 FREEPORT PARKWAY, COPPELL, TEXAS. I DON'T THINK THAT'S COME UP YET IN THE STAFF, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS IF THERE'S REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE NEEDED FOR LANDSCAPING, THAT'S IN ADDITION TO WHAT'S ALREADY THERE. THAT'S NO NO ISSUES THERE. BUT NOTHING IS PLANNED AT TH TIME SINCE IT'S WE'RE GOING IN PERMEABLE SPACE ALREADY, SO THAT'S FINE. WELL I'M THERE WAS A COUPLE OF CONCERNS FROM NEIGHBORHOODS ABOUT LOOKING AND SEEING THE PUMPS ACROSS THE STREET. AND I'M JUST THINKING OF SOME MAYBE GROUND LEVEL SCREENING THAT JUST KIND OF BREAKS THAT UP A LITTLE BIT. NOTHING DRASTIC, BUT SOME KIND OF SCREENING TO GO THROUGH THERE. AND THAT IN LINE WITH THE CANOPY LIGHTING COMMENT AS WELL.

OKAY. THANK YOU. I THINK THAT'S IT. OKAY. YEAH. I DID HAVE A QUICK QUESTION AGAIN ABOUT THE SIGNAGE. I HAVE NOT READ THE UNDERLYING PD. THERE'S A WHOLE PD, AND I THINK THAT LIMITS

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THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING DOWN. I DO DO HAVE ONE OTHER SPEAKER CARD ON THIS, NORMA WALLER. DID I GET THAT? WALTER. YEP. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I LIVE ACROSS THE STREET FROM KROGER, AND WE HAVE A CHEVRON RIGHT THERE RIGHT IN THE CORNER. SO THEY NEED THE FULL NAME AND ADDRESS. SORRY. NORMA WALKER, 6813 CLEAR SPRINGS PARKWAY. RIGHT ACROSS. WE HAVE A CHEVRON RIGHT IN THE CORNER. SO JUST LIKE ONE GAS STATION, ANOTHER GAS STATION. AND THEN THE TRAFFIC IN THAT INTERSECTION IS HORRENDOUS. WE'VE HAD DEATHS. IT'S BEEN TERRIBLE. SO ADDING A GAS STATION WOULD JUST ADD MORE TRAFFIC AND JUST MORE PROBLEMS TO THAT AREA. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT. ANY COMMENTS? YEAH. COMMISSIONER JENKINS, THANK YOU, MA'AM, FOR THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

THANK YOU, MA'AM, FOR COMING DOWN TONIGHT AND GIVING US YOUR COMMENTS. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. IF THE CITY WAS ABLE TO PARTNER WITH THIS APPLICANT TO IMPROVE THE TRAFFIC ISSUE BY INSTALLING SIGNAL LIGHTS WITH THAT, HOW DO YOU THINK IT WOULD IMPACT THE AREA, IF AT ALL? THAT WOULD HELP, BUT THAT WOULDN'T. I MEAN, WE'VE HAD TRAGIC DEATHS ALREADY, LIKE ON CLEAR SPRINGS PARKWAY AND SHILOH, AND I THINK THERE'S RECORDS THAT SHOW THAT THAT'S AND THAT'S THERE WOULD BE ONE LIGHT THERE, LIKE A FOUR WAY LIGHT. I'M THINKING, IS THAT TRUE? I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW THE HOW THE LIGHT WOULD BE THERE, BUT THERE'S ANOTHER SET OF LIGHTS IMMEDIATELY ON THE NEXT CORNER OF CAMPBELL IN SHILOH. SO I THINK THAT'S TOO CLOSE. THANK YOU. WE HAVE ONE LIGHT AND THEN YOU HAVE ANOTHER LIGHT STRAIGHT AWAY. THANK YOU. SO, YEAH, IF I RECALL, I LIVE NOT TOO FAR FROM THERE, BUT PEOPLE HAVE HAD TROUBLES GETTING IN AND OUT OF YOUR SUBDIVISION BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC ON SHILOH. THIS SHOULD IMPROVE THAT WITH A STOPLIGHT. AND THE CITY IS WELL AWARE OF THE ISSUE AS YOU'RE COMING DOWN. CAMPBELL, YOU KNOW MOST EVERY TIME YOU CAN TURN LEFT WHEN IT'S GREEN, RIGHT? THERE'S SO MANY BLIND SPOTS AT THAT INTERSECTION, YOU DON'T SEE CARS COMING UP THE OTHER SIDE OF CAMPBELL. AND THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE SOME OF THE ACCIDENTS ARE. PEOPLE ARE PROBABLY TURNING AND GETTING SIDESWIPED. AND SO IT'S A AND THE CITY IS AWARE OF IT. THEY'VE ADJUSTED THE LIGHTS TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM TURNING. BUT PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE AND YEAH. YEAH. AND RIGHT NOW THERE IS NO LIGHT. SO THAT WOULD BE LIKE AT YOUR INTERSECTION. YEAH. FURTHER DOWN AT CAMPBELL. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DISTANCE WOULD BE FROM THAT LIGHT TO CAMPBELL. AND WHAT IS IT CAMPBELL AND SHILOH. BUT IT'S LIKE IT WOULD HAVE TO BE SYNCHRONIZED SO IT FLOWS. YEAH. RIGHT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER.

MINE IS MORE OF A QUESTION. WE APPROVED A DEVELOPMENT ON THE SOUTH SIDE. THERE IS ALREADY TURN LANE IMPROVEMENTS. IT'S PART OF WHAT I WAS EVERYTHING COMING IN HERE. THEY HAVEN'T STARTED ANYTHING YET. I UNDERSTAND, BUT I'M JUST POINTING OUT FOR THE FOR THE BETTERMENT OF EVERYTHING THAT WE KNOW THERE'S AN ISSUE THERE. AND THAT WAS RECOMMENDED WITH THAT STUDY AND HOPEFULLY WITH EVERYTHING GOING IN HERE, IF WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL, THE STOPLIGHT WILL HELP SOME OF THAT TOO, BECAUSE THEY THEY DO HELP. THEY'VE HELPED IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. YEAH. THE TOWNHOME SLASH APARTMENT DEVELOPMENT TO THE SOUTH AND THEN THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE. YEAH. THEY WERE ADDING A TURN LANE AND ADDING ADDING A COUPLE TURN LANES AND SOME OTHER STUFF TO BECAUSE THEY KNOW IT'S A PROBLEM. THANK YOU. YEAH. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER PARIS. MINE IS MORE FOR STAFF TO JUST TO WEIGH IN AND MAYBE HELP EDUCATE A BIT MORE. SO WE KNOW THAT A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, A TIA, IS GOING TO BE IMPLEMENTED POST THE RESULTS OF THAT TIA. IF IT'S DEEMED WHICHEVER THE RESULTS ARE JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EDUCATION OF HOW HOW THAT PLAYS OUT FOR THE ACTUAL REQUESTS, WILL IT MOVE FORWARD? IF YOU KNOW THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH THE TIA, OR IF THE TIA IS LIKE SAYS, WE'RE GOOD TO GO, LIKE, WHAT IS THE NT STEP? SO MAYBE THAT ALSO WILL HELP WITH BOTH. WE KNOW THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE TRAFFIC SIGNALS, BUT THEN ALSO A TIA IS GOING TO ALSO GIVE FORMATION OF WHAT TO DO NEXT.

RIGHT? SO A TIA WAS REQUIRED AS PART OF THIS REQUEST. AND OUR TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT HAS REVIEWED THAT TIA AND THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WAS A RESULT OF

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BUT THE APPLICANT MENTIONED SOMETHING THAT I BELIEVE IN AND THAT'S COMPETITION. AND SO TO KEEP THE AREA COMPETITIVE AND IN LINE WITH THE CRITERIA PRESENTED IN THE GDC, I AM IN FAVOR OF THIS REQUEST. HOWEVER, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THE INDEFINITE PROPOSAL. I WOULD PROPOSE THE TIMELINE TO BE CONSISTENT PER STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER ABEL. I WOULD ADD TO THAT THAT I WOULD THINK THAT THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE THAT ARE DRIVING PAST ON 190 ARE GOING TO GO TO THE CHEVRON. YEAH. YOU KNOW, COMPETITION WILL DRIVE PRICES DOWN ON THAT. BUT I THINK THAT MOST PEOPLE, UNLESS THEY KNOW THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ARE NOT GOING TO GO A QUARTER MILE UP THE ROAD OR AN EIGHTH A MILE UP THE ROAD TO A KROGER GAS STATION, THEY'RE GOING TO STOP OUT OF CONVENIENCE AND GO TO CHEVRON AT KROGER STATED 80% OF THEIR BUSINESS IS PROBABLY ALREADY SHOPPERS. SO I THINK IT'S A GOOD MOVEMENT IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION FOR THE TRAFFIC. WITH THE PROPOSED STOP. AND I DO LIKE THE CANOPY OR SOME KIND OF A BREAKUP FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL. AND I AGREE ABOUT THE TIME. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER DALTON, I HAVE PURASED IN THAT KROGER STORE IN THE PAST. ON OCCASION, AS I'VE PASSED BY NEEDING SOMETHING AND GETTING OUT OF THAT KROGER TO GO SOUTH ON SHILOH IS TAKING YOUR LIFE IN YOUR HANDS, DEPENDING UPON THE TIME OF DAY. YES. AND IF YOU PUT A TRAFFIC LIGHT, IRREGARDLESS OF THE SERVICE STATION AT THAT LOCATION, THAT'S WHERE CARS ARE GOING TO EXIT THAT KROGER PARKING LOT. WHEN THEY'VE DONE THEIR GROCERY SHOPPING, THEY'RE GOING TO GO DOWN TO THE LIGHT.

LOOK FOR A LIGHT TO GET OUT. IFS I'M GOING TO BE MAKING A LEFT HAND TURN, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE APPLICATION. 20 YEAR'S U P WITH THE INCLUSION, THAT LANDSCAPING WILL BE ADDRESSED AND PLACED ON THE SHILOH ROAD SIDE OF THE PUMPS TO BLOCK SOME OF THAT VIEW. OKAY. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE RECOMMENDATION FOR 20 YEARS, AND THAT THEY WORK WITH STAFF TO COMPLY AND MAYBE GO ABOVEUR LANDSCAPE RECOMMENDATION IN GDC.

DO I HEAR A SECOND SECOND ALREADY? OKAY. IT DIDN'T DIDN'T POP UP IN MINE. YEAH OKAY. AND

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[d. Hold a public hearing and consider the application of Dynamic Engineering Consultants, P.C., requesting an amendment to Planned Development District (PD 85-55) to allow a Self-Storage Facility (mini-warehouse). The site is located at 1788 Firewheel Parkway. (District 1) (File Z 25-13)]

COMMISSIONERS. THIS IS A REQUEST ON THE SUBJECT. PROPERTY FOR A SELF-STORAGE FACILITY. MINI WAREHOUSE. USE AS A PRIMARY USE ON THE SUBJECT SITE. THE PROPERTY IS ADDRESSED AS 1788 FIREWHEEL PARKWAY, AND IT IS APPROXIMATELY 4.14 ACRES IN SIZE. IT DOES HAVE A ZONING OF A PD 8555 WITH A BASE ZONING DISTRICT OF COMMUNITY RETAIL. THE PD THAT WAS APPROVED FOR THE SITE ALLOWS FOR COMMUNITY RETAIL OR SORRY, NOT COMMUNITY RETAIL, BUT FOR SELF STORAGE AS A SECONDARY USE, WHICH MEANS THAT THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE A PRIMARY COMPONENT OF A COMMERCIAL USE AND THEN A SELF-STORAGE USE WITH IT, BUT IT DOES NOT PERMIT IT AS A PRIMARY USE. SO THAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST TODAY, IS TO ALLOW THAT TO BE PERMITTED BY RIGHT. AND THIS IS A SUBJECT SITE. AND THEN THESE ARE SURROUNDING AREAS. AS YOU CAN SEE IT'S ZONED AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT. AND THEN THIS PROPERTY TO THE EAST. YOU CAN'T SEE IT NOW, BUT IT IS DEVELOPED WITH A MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT. SO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THIS AREA, IT IDENTIFIES IT TO PROVIDE TRANSITIONS BETWEEN TRADITIONAL AND RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS AND HIGHER DENSITY AND RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS AND NONRESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS. THESE AREAS SUPPORT MIXED USE SMALL COMMERCIAL CENTERS, GOODS AND SERVICES, OFFICE SPACE AND PUBLIC SERVICES, BUILDING HEIGHTS AND DEVELOPMENT INTENSITIES IN THESE AREAS SHOULD BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL AREA. SO THESE ARE PICTURES OF THE SITE. AND THIS IS THE PROPOSED CONCEPTUAL PLAN. AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, IT SHOWS THE PROPOSED BUILDING AREA SHOWS THE DRIVEWAY AND THE PROPOSED PARKING AND THE SIDEWALK. THEY'RE PROPOSING A THREE STORY BUILDING WHEN THEY COME IN. IF THIS IS APPROVED, WHEN THEY COME IN, IT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH A SITE PERMIT REVIEW. THEN WE'D LOOK AT THE DETAILED SITE PLAN, LANDSCAPE PLAN AND ELEVATION PLANS FOR THE SITE. THE BUILDING AREA IS PROPOSED TO BE 106,680FT■S. SO S MENTIONED EARLIER, THIS IS A PD AMENDMENT TO ALLOW FOR THE MINI STORAGE WAREHOUSE USE TO BE PERMITTED BY RIGHT AS A PRIMARY USE. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND SUPPORT OF THE REQUEST BECAUSE OF THE POTENTIAL TO HAVE OTHER RETAIL RESIDENTIAL, MIXED USE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT ON SITE, AND STAFF DOES RECOGNIZE THE POTENTIAL FOR THIS TO BE A SORT OF GATEWAY INTO GARLAND COMING IN FROM THE EAST. AND THE PROPOSED USE WOULD NOT REALLY LEND ITSELF TO CREATE THAT SORT OF ARRIVAL OR DESTINATION AREA ON THIS SIDE OF GARLAND. AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE FOR A PRESENTATION. ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. FIRST CARD I HAVE IS BILL DAHLSTROM. MR. CHAIR COMMISSION. MY NAME IS BILL DAHLSTROM 2323 ROSS AVENUE. WE DO HAVE A PRESENTATION TONIGHT.

PLEASURE TO BE HERE ON BEHALF OF JOHNSON DEVELOPMENT ASSOCIATES. GREER GORDON WHO WAS WITH JOHNSON JOHNSON DEVELOPMENT ASSOCIATES, IS GOING TO SPEAK FIRST AND GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND OF WHO JDA IS. AND THEN I'D LIKE TO COME BACK UP HERE AND TALK ABOUT OUR

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RIGHT NOW WE HAVE ONE IN ALLEN THAT IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION, AND FORT WORTH AND ARLINGTON THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN THE ZONING AND PERMITTING PROCESS RIGHT NOW. THIS IS OUR TEAM JOHNSON DEVELOPMENT DYNAMIC ENGINEERING. I'M WITH JACKSON WALKER. AND AGAIN, HERE'S THE SITE THAT'S FIREWHEEL PARKWAY. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE STAR IS RIGHT ON TOP OF THE SITE. AND THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THE CURVATURE OF THE ROAD. AGAIN, YOU SAW THIS PICTURE EARLIER. IT'S A DIFFICULT TRACT OF LAND. IT'S TRIANGULAR IN SHAPE. IT HAS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF FLOODPLAIN ON IT WHICH WE'RE HAVING TO DEAL WITH. IT'S ADJACENT TO THE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT TO THE I'LL CALL IT NORTHEAST. THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT WHEN IT COMES TO A RETAIL DEVELOPMENT. THERE'S NO MEDIAN BREAK IN FIREWHEEL PARKWAY, SO IT'S BASICALLY ONE IN AND OUT. YOU'VE GOT NO WAY OF GETTING ACROSS FIREWHEEL PARKWAY TO GO SOUTH SOUTHEAST. SO I MEAN, THAT'S REALLY SIGNIFICANT FOR RETAIL DEVELOPER. I THINK BEING ADJACENT TO THE MULTIFAMILY ALSO IS SIGNIFICANT IN TERMS OF THE TYPE OF USE THAT WE WANT TO BRING IN, THE TYPE OF AMENITY WE WANT TO BRING TO THE COMMUNITY. AS WAS STATED EARLIER, THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED A PD, CR RIGHT NOW, I GUESS IS THE BASE ZONE IN THE COMMUNITY, RETAIL AND SELF-STORAGE, AS WAS STATED, IS ALLOWED AS A SECONDARY USE. SELF STORAGE IS PERMITTED IN CR WITHIN SUPP. SO IT'S NOT AS IF SELF STORAGE IN MANY WAREHOUSES IS NOT PERMITTED AT ALL. IN CR, IT'S PERMITTED WITH A WITH AN RSVP. HOWEVER, WE'RE IN A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT AND WE WANTED TO BRING IT FORWARD. SOMETHING INTERESTING ABOUT THIS PD WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION TODAY IS THAT THIS WAS ZONED AS A PD IN 1985, AND DURING THE DELIBERATION, THE APPLICANT WAS ASKED ABOUT THE MINI WAREHOUSE AND THE APPLICANT STATED IT'S IN THE MINUTES THAT THE PURPOSE OF THE MINI WAREHOUSE WOULD BE AS A AS A BUFFER USE BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL USES IN PD 85 AND THE LANDFILL UP FURTHER TO THE NORTH. WELL, THE ONLY PROPERTY THAT WOULD HAVE ALLOWED THE MINI WAREHOUSE AND THAT'S THAT'S CONTIGUOUS OR ADJACENT NEARBY THE LANDFILL IS THIS TRACT OF LAND. SO IT WAS INTENDED BACK IN 1985 THAT THIS WOULD BE AN ADEQUATE OR REASONABLE LOCATION FOR THE MINI WAREHOUSE. SO THERE IS A HISTORICAL CONTEXT THERE.

THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN IDENTIFIES US AS COMPACT NEIGHBORHOOD, AS WAS MENTIONED EARLIER. AND I ACTUALLY LOOKED AT THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN EARLIER TODAY. MY BACKGROUND IS IN PLANNING, SO WHENEVER I LOOK AT A CASE, FIRST THING I DO IS LOOK AT THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO READ EACH OF THE WORDS. THE WORDS MEAN SOMETHING IN A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WE KNOW THAT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP IS A GUIDE, RIGHT? WE ALL KNOW THAT IT IS NOT THE LAW. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CONSISTS OF NOT JUST THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, BUT ALSO THE POLICIES OBJECTIVES. ALSO IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND UNDER COMPACT NEIGHBORHOODS. AND I JUST COPIED THIS FROM YOUR WEBSITE TODAY. IT SAYS THESE AREAS ACCOMMODATE USES SUCH AS CONVENIENCE, RETAIL GOODS AND SERVICES, OFFICE SPACE AND PUBLIC SERVICES. YOU KNOW, AS OPPOSED TO WHAT WAS IN THE STAFF REPORT SAID THAT IT'S INTENDED OR THE CONTEXT IS FOR MIXED USE. WELL, THIS THE COMP PLAN DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING, QUITE FRANKLY, IN THIS ABOUT MIXED USE. IT SAYS SPECIFICALLY THAT THESE AREAS, THE COMPACT NEIGHBORHOODS, ACCOMMODATE USES SUCH AS CONVENIENCE, RETAIL GOODS AND

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THE ADJACENT MULTIFAMILY, THE SINGLE FAMILY UP AND DOWN FIREWHEEL PARKWAY. SO I THINK I THINK TO A GREAT EXTENT, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS CONSISTENT AND IS DIRECTLY SUPPORTED BY THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE AGAIN, THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED THE PD WITH CR, AND WE COMPLY WITH ALL THE CR STANDARDS. WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR ANY MODIFICATIONS TO THE CR STANDARDS. IT WAS MENTIONED THAT WE ARE ASKING FOR THREE STORIES IN HEIGHT. THAT'S TRUE. THREE STORIES FOR MINI WAREHOUSE SELF STORAGE, WHICH ARE SHORTER STORIES THAN A REGULAR OFFICE OR RETAIL. WE ARE STILL WITHIN THE 35 FOOT MAXIMUM HEIGHT FOR A CR, SO IT'S NOT AS IF WE'RE BUILDING THIS HUGE DEVELOPMENT OUT OF CONTEXT OR OUT OF SCALE WITH THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES. WE ARE IN FACT PROPOSING A BUILDING THAT IS IN THE SAME CONTEXT, THE SAME HEIGHT, SAME SETBACKS AS THE WHAT'S PERMITTED THERE TODAY. AND QUITE FRANKLY, THERE WAS ANOTHER COMMENT IN THE IN THE STAFF REPORT. I TAKE EXCEPTION TO IT SAYS THAT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, AS IT IS CONSIDERED MORE OF AN INTENSE WELL, IT SAYS IT'S SELF STORAGE IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP BECAUSE IT IS CONSIDERED MORE OF AN INTENSE COMMERCIAL USE. WELL, I WILL SUBMIT TO YOU AGAIN. MINI WAREHOUSE SELF STORAGE IS VERY BENIGN USE. THEY DO NOT GENERATE A LOT OF TRAFFIC. NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE GO THERE, PEOPLE GO THERE. THEY TAKE LEAVE THEIR STUFF. THEY TAKE THEIR STUFF. AND IT IS NOT A SIGNIFICANT GENERATOR OF TRAFFIC. THE PROPERTY HAS GOT A CR BASE, CR, AS YOU KNOW, AS A PLANNING COMMISSION CAN YOU CAN PUT A LOT OF RETAIL USES THERE AND OFFICES THERE. THAT WOULD GENERATE AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC, A HECK OF A LOT MORE THAN WHAT'S GENERATED AND THE INTENSITY OF USE, A LOT MORE INTENSIVE USE THAN WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. SELF STORAGE AND ESPECIALLY AND YOU'VE SEEN THE PACKET, THE ARCHITECTURE WE'VE PROPOSED. IT'S NOT THE OLD STYLE MANY, MANY STORAGE FACILITY. IT'S ONE THAT'S NICELY DESIGNED. HORIZONTAL VERTICAL ARTICULATIO, DIFFERENCES IN MATERIALS, DIFFERENCES AND TEXTURES AND COLORS. QUITE FRANKLY, THE INTENT AND JOHNSON DEVELOPMENT'S INTENT ON ALL THEIR FACILITIES IS TRY TO MAKE THEM MORE LOOK MORE LIKE AN OFFICE THAN THE OLD, OLD STYLE MINI WAREHOUSE, WHICH I'LL GET TO THAT IN A FEW MINUTES. BUT AGAIN, I AGAIN, I THINK WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS A BETTER USE THAN WHAT COULD GO TO THERE TODAY IN TERMS OF THE COMPATIBILITY, IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC GENERATION. AND QUITE FRANKLY, YOU DON'T HAVE THESE SAME KINDS OF ARCHITECTURAL CONTROLS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING ON A USE THAT COULD GO IN THERE TODAY. YOU SAW THIS EARLIER. AGAIN, WHAT'S IMPORTANT ABOUT THIS IS THE CURVATURE OF FIREWHEEL PARKWAY. IT KIND OF, IN ONE CONTEXT, HELPS DEFINE HOW THE PROPERTY NEEDS TO DEVELOP.

WE DON'T HAVE THE LUXURY OF A MEDIAN OPENING IN FIREWHEEL PARKWAY. WE'VE GOT 1 IN 1 OUT.

SO THIS IS BASICALLY WHAT YOU HAVE TODAY. YOU CAN SEE THE QUITE A BIT OF OPEN SPACE WE'RE PROPOSING. THERE'S A THE FLOODPLAIN OFF TO THE TO THE NORTH NORTHWEST. AND AGAIN WE'RE PROPOSING A MASONRY WALL. WE DID MEET WITH THE ADJACENT PROPERTY. WE MET WITH THE OWNER OF THE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT. HE HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS, A COUPLE OF REQUESTS OF US. WE WERE AGREEABLE, AS YOU CAN SEE IN YOUR PACKET, THEY SENT IN AND WASN'T MENTIONED IN THE STAFF IN THE PRESENTATION, BUT THEY SENT IN A LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR OUR APPLICATION. SO WE WORKED WITH THEM AND ACTUALLY WENT BACK A COUPLE TIMES WITH THAT APPLICATION. I LIKE TO ALSO PRESENT A CONSTRAINTS MAP ON DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS A 4.14 RE TRACT OF LAND, BUT WE'RE LIMITED TO ABOUT TWO ACRES OF DEVELOPMENT. AND WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THIS KIND OF A TRACT, WE KNOW IT'S NOT A IT'S NOT A RETAIL TRACT. A RETAIL TRACT IS GOING TO WANT THAT CROSS AXIS.

RIGHT. ANOTHER MAJOR SIGNIFICANT ISSUE ABOUT RETAIL DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS KIND OF MID-BLOCK. IT'S NOT ADJACENT TO A MAJOR STREET. MOST OF YOUR RETAIL. AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU, MOST OF THE RETAIL YOU WANT RETAIL NODES. YOU DON'T WANT RETAIL IN THE MIDDLE OF A BLOCK. SO THIS IS NOT A RETAIL SITE OFFICE WE KNOW ABOUT. EVERYBODY KNOWS ABOUT THE OFFICE MARKET. AND AS FAR AS RESIDENTIAL USES GO, AGAIN, IT'S BASICALLY TWO ACRES. YOU CAN'T DEVELOP THE CRITICAL MASS

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AGAIN, HORIZONTAL VERTICAL ARTICULATION, DIFFERENT MATERIALS, DIFFERENT COLORS. SO I DON'T WANT TO LEAVE YOU WITH THE IMPRESSION THAT THIS IS JUST A USE THAT BECAUSE NO OTHER USES IS ADEQUATE THERE. WE KNOW IT'S NOT A RETAIL USE. WE KNOW IT'S NOT AN OFFICE USE. WE KNOW IT'S NOT A RESIDENTIAL USE. IT'S BEEN ZONED THIS WAY FOR 40 YEARS. SO THERE'S A REASON. BUT WHAT I WANT TO LEAVE YOU WITH THIS IS A GOOD USE. THIS IS A VERY PRACTICAL USE FOR THE PROPERTY.

IT'S LOW IMPACT, LOW IMPACT ON UTILITIES, LOW IMPACT ON CITY SERVICES. NOT A LOT OF TRAFFIC, NOT A LOT OF TRAFFIC AT ALL OF THESE FACILITIES. AND AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, I REITERATE THERE'S A LOT MORE TRAFFIC CAN BE GENERATED BY SOMETHING THAT'S PERMITTED RIGHT TODAY THAN WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. WE'RE PROPOSING SOMETHING THAT WE THINK AGAIN, IS ARCHITECTURALLY NICE, ESTHETICALLY PLEASING AND WIDENS THE TAX BASE, PUTS INTO USE A PROPERTY THAT'S BEEN VACANT FOR AT LEAST 40 YEARS. THESE FACILITIES. AND I'LL DEFER TO GREER, 24 HOUR SURVEILLANCE. YOU KNOW, OFFICE HOURS ARE 9 TO 6 WITH A MANAGER ON SITE. GATE HOURS ARE 6 TO 10 AGAIN. BUT FROM A PLANNING, A TRUE PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, THIS IS A GOOD USE FOR THE PROPERTY. IT'S A REASONABLE USE OF THE PROPERTY AND IT'S COMPATIBLE NOT JUST WITH THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT WITH ADJACENT PROPERTIES AS WELL. AND THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ME. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. GREER'S HERE. OUR WHOLE TEAM IS HERE TONIGHT. WE'VE GOT OTHER FOLKS FROM JOHNSON DEVELOPMENT. WE, OUR PLANNERS ARE HERE. WE ARE. ENGINEERS ARE HERE. DO YOU HAVE HAVE YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? WE'VE GOT A TEAM HERE THAT CAN ANSWER ALL YOUR QUESTIONS. HAVE AT LEAST ONE COMMISSIONER ABLE. THANK YOU FOR COMING TONIGHT. AND IN YOUR TESTIMONY YOU STATED THAT THIS IS A MID-BLOCK AND THERE ARE NO MEDIAN BREAKS. THIS IS IN THE BOTTOM OF A VALLEY BETWEEN CASTLE AND ANOTHER HILL. HOW ARE YOU PROPOSING THAT PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING SOUTH, I GUESS EAST THERE, HOW ARE THEY GOING TO GET IN, OR ARE THEY GOING TO GO UP TO CASTLE, MAKE A U-TURN WITH A U-HAUL AND A TRAILER TO GET IN? WELL, THAT'S EFFECTIVELY THEY'RE NOT GOING TO FIND SOME WAY OF GOING NORTH NORTHWEST TO GET INTO THE SITE. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'LL BE A U-TURN. THAT MAY BE ONE WAY, BUT THERE MAY BE OTHER OTHER ROUTES THAT THEY THEY FOLLOW RATHER THAN HAVING TO DO THE U-TURN. I'M JUST THINKING OF TRAFFIC IMPACT ANY AREAS. ALL I'M THINKING. SO I FIRED AGAIN. ANOTHER BUSY AND THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES DO NOT GENERATE A LOT OF TRAFFIC. THEY JUST DON'T. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? OKAY. THANK YOU. I'VE GOT A COUPLE MORE SPEAKER CARDS. ONE WAS AS NEEDED, BUT HAVE A JOSEPH TALAL I CAN'T QUITE. OKAY. AND JOSH EDGE IF NEEDED. I'LL LET HIM DECIDE THAT. MY NAME IS JOSEPH TALAL. I GO BY JODY. I LIVE AT 6316 ABERCORN DRIVE IN ROWLETT. I AM A OWNER OF THE PROPERTY ALONG WITH NINE OTHER OWNERS, AND I PUT TOGETHER THE GROUP AND WE CAME INTO AND

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YEAH. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS OF THIS SPEAKER? THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING DOWN.

THE OTHER CARD IS FOR JOSH EDGE. HAVE YOU DECIDED I GUESS HE'S COMING ON DOWN. AND AGAIN, NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. COMMISSIONERS. GOOD EVENING. JOSH EDGE, DYNAMIC ENGINEERING 714 SOUTH GREENVILLE AVENUE IN ALLEN, TEXAS. OUR TEAM HAS DONE A GREAT JOB IN PRESENTING THE CASE. I JUST WANT TO COME DOWN AND MAKE MENTION, TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE FLOODPLAIN ISSUES THAT THE OWNER HAD MENTIONED, AS WELL AS OUR TEAM. THE ORIGINAL FLOOD STUDY WAS DONE BY HALF ASSOCIATES IN 1987. IT WAS ACTUALLY DONE WITH AN OLD SOFTWARE AND BASED ON LIDAR INFORMATION, WHICH ISN'T ACTUAL ON THE GROUND SURVEY INFORMATION. SO WHEN WE ACTUALLY CONDUCTED THE ACTUAL SURVEY ON SITE, WE FOUND THAT THE FLOOD LIMITS ACTUALLY ENCROACHED ON THE PROPERTY MUCH MORE THAN THE ORIGINAL FLOOD STUDY HAD HAD SHOWN THAT IT DID. SO OUR TEAM HAS DONE AN ANALYSIS ON ON THE CREEK. AND WITH THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, WE ARE PROPOSING SOME GRADING IMPROVEMENTS TO HOPEFULLY AND HELP SOME OF THAT AS AS THE OWNER MENTIONED, TO GET CREATIVE WITH SOME OF THE GRADING IN HOPES OF MAKING IT WORK FROM A DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT. SO AGAIN, I'M JUST HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMISSIONERS MIGHT HAVE IN REGARDS TO THE ENGINEERING. SEE? NONE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I HAVE NO FURTHER SPEAKER CARDS. IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO ADDRESS THIS CASE? AND I'M ASSUMING THAT THEY'RE ALL WITH YOU, SO NO REBUTTAL NEEDED. OKAY, COMMISSIONER DALTON, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. MY INITIAL FEELING WAS TO AGREE WITH THE STAFF ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY, BUT THE CLOSER I LOOKED AT IT, THE BEST THING THAT COULD HAVE BEEN DONE TO IT WOULD HAVE BEEN TO BE PART OF THAT MULTI-FAMILY NEXT DOOR. BUT IT'S NOT IT'S NOT A GOOD PLACE TO PUT RETAIL. IT'S NOT A GOOD PLACE TO BUILD A HOUSE. I'VE GOT TO DISAGREE WITH STAFF ON THIS ONE, AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE APPLICATION OF THE APPROVED THE APPLICANT'S APPLICATION. DO I HEAR A SECOND OKAY. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER

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THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE COMMISSIONER ROSE COULD I HEAR THE MOTION STATED AGAIN RESTATED. THE MOTION WAS TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION. I THINK IT WAS A STRAIGHT APPROVAL, WASN'T IT? YES. IRREGARDLESS OF WHAT THE. YEAH. OKAY. THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE ANY. SEEING NO DISCUSSION, PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES 8 TO 1 WITH COMMISSIONER JENKINS IN OPPOSITION. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. AND ANOTHER NOTE, THE ONLY THING THAT STOPPED US FROM GOING FORWARD BEFORE IS SOME LITTLE THING CALLED THE SAVINGS AND LOAN CRISIS IN 1986. I LIVED THROUGH THAT ONE. ALL RIGHT. CHAIRMAN. WOULD YOU GUYS LIKE A TIME OUT? OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND TAKE A. OH, LET'S BE BACK IN TEN MINUTES. IF THAT GIVE EVERYBODY ENOUGH TIME. WE AR WELCOME BACK TO THE MAY 12TH MEETING OF THE GARLAND PLAN COMMISSION. WE JUST TOOK A SHORT

[e. Hold a public hearing and consider the application of CCM Engineering, proposing an amendment to Planned Development (PD) District 20-44 to reduce the minimum lot size and depth requirements on specific lots and number of provided parking spaces. The site is located at 2126 Rowlett Road. (District 3) (File Z 25-16)]

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WHAT DID IT LOOK LIKE? AND THEN ALSO TO ENSURE THAT I HAD A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IS HAPPENING, I DID SEE WHERE ON THE BACK, THE SIDE CLOSEST TO THE CHURCH ON THAT BACK END IS WHERE THAT WHAT DID YOU CALL IT? THE WHAT IS WHAT IS TRIGGERING THE NEED FOR THE DECREASE IN THE LOT SIZES. WHAT'S THAT THING CALLED AGAIN? SORRY, THE PEDESTRIAN FACILITIES. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. THANK YOU. I HAD SUGAR SO SORRY. AND SO THAT IS VERY HELPFUL TO NOT ONLY VISUALLY SEE IT BUT UNDERSTAND THE WHY. AND THEN WHEN I LOOKED AT THE LOT SIZE THEY SEEMED A BIT SMALL. BUT BUT I DO UNDERSTAND MY INTENT IN SPEAKING ON THIS IS THAT I UNDERSTAND VISUALLY WHY THAT IS HAPPENING. I DO HAVE CONCERN ABOUT THE PARKING, JUST BECAUSE IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT WAS A LOT OF PARKING, BUT IT IS IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE ORIGINAL STANDARDS. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT, THAT I, I WAS ABLE TO VISUALLY SEE IT. I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT.

AND THEN MY THIRD PIECE WAS THAT THE I CALL IT THE MASONRY WALL. BUT THEN THERE'S A BREAK AND THEN THERE'S WROUGHT IRON, LIKE ON THE ON ON ROWAN ROAD. AND I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THAT PIECE OF IT. IT MAY NOT BE A PART OF THIS PRESENTATION, BUT YOU DID SHARE WHAT THAT FRONT SIDE LOOKED LIKE. AND I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THAT COMPONENT OF IT. SO IF YOU COULD SHARE A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHY THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NOW WENT FROM A MASONRY. YEAH. TO THE. YES. SO THE PD UNFORTUNATELY I DON'T HAVE THE PD EXHIBIT, BUT IT WAS APPROVED WITH DIFFERENT SCREENING AND FENCING REQUIREMENTS DEPENDING UPON. YEAH. WHAT SIDE IT WAS ON THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE ON ROWAN AND ROWLETT ON THAT CORNER IT IS THE SCREENING WALL. AND THEN ON OTHER COMPONENTS I WISH I HAD THE EXHIBIT. THEY ALLOWED FOR WROUGHT IRON OR DIFFERENT TYPE OF MATERIAL FENCING. RIGHT.

SO THAT IS YEAH, THAT'S IN LINE WITH IT. YEAH I WAS TRYING TO REMEMBER THAT. BUT THANK YOU.

YOU'VE ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU FOR SHARING THE UPDAT AROUND THE EASEMENT AND THEN AND THEN THAT WE'RE IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE GDC ON THE PARKING. YES. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'M HOPEFUL THAT THE APPLICANT HAS ALREADY DONE THIS AND THEY MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER, BUT HAVE THEY DETERMINED THAT THE HOUSES, TOWNHOMES THAT THEY PLANNED TO PUT ON THERE ACTUALLY WILL FIT WITH THE REDUCED LOTS AND MEET ALL THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS? SO ACTUALLY RIGHT NOW IS A GOOD QUESTION. THEY HAVE SUBMITTED THEIR BUILDING PERMITS TO BUILDING INSPECTIONS, AND THEY'RE WORKING WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS AND LOT SIZE REQUIREMENTS. SO FOR NOW, YEAH, THESE THINGS CAN GET

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AND I'VE GOT A SPEAKER CARD ON THIS AND PROBABLY GET THIS WRONG. SELMER. BROCK. THEY CARE TO SPEAK? SAYS YOU'RE THE APPLICANT, SO I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE FOR TWO. YES. HI. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ALIMA BRACHO, 2570 HIGHLAND ROAD, HIGHLAND VILLAGE, JUSTIN ROAD, HIGHLAND VILLAGE. I AM THE APPLICANT AND THE ENGINEER. I'M WITH THE ENGINEERING AND I WAS JUST HEREO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. I THINK I DID EXPLAINED WHAT HAPPENED WITH THIS SPECIFIC PROJECT AND I JUST WANTED TO BE AVAILABLE JUST IN CASE YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

ANY QUESTIONS? SEE NONE. THANK YOU FOR COMING DOWN. ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE CARE TO ADDRESS THIS CASE? COMMISSIONERS MOTION DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER PARIS, I REQUEST TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND I'M ALSO GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED. OKAY. A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER PARIS AND A TIE WITH COMMISSIONER ABEL AND COMMISSIONER ROSEN. A SECOND.

WE'LL GIVE IT TO COMMISSIONER ABEL, SINCE HE'S CLOSER IN SOUND. TRAVELS QUICK. OH, I'M LOUDER. AND THIS IS TO APPROVE, AS REQUESTED. SEEING NO DISCUSSION. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. NEXT. OKAY. AND NEXT ZONING ITEM IS ITEM TWO F HOLD A

[f. Hold a public hearing to consider amendments to Chapter 2 Zoning Regulations, Attachment 1 - Land use chart and Article 4, Division 4 Mixed-Use Districts as it relates to the permitted land uses and development regulations for the Urban Residential (UR) and Urban Business (UB) districts.]

SO THE PERMITTED USES FOR THOSE DISTRICTS SHOULD ALSO REFLECT THAT VISION AND THAT GOAL FOR THOSE DISTRICTS, THE USES THAT WE HAVE LISTED ON THE ON THIS SLIDE ARE THE ONES THAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO MODIFY WITH THIS GDC AMENDMENT. WITH THAT, I WOULD EXPLAIN IT IS ON THE AGENDA PACKET. YOU CAN SEE WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE AND WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED. BUT FOR THE MOST CASES EITHER THESE WERE PERMITTED BY RIGHT BEFORE NOW BEING REQUIRED IN SUPP IN THE PROPOSAL, OR IT WAS ALLOWED WITH AN SUPP BEFORE AND NOW GOING TO NOT BE PERMITTED. AND YOU ARE OR UB DISTRICT. SO THESE ARE THE USES. I JUST WANT TO POINT THAT OUT THAT THAT WE DIDN'T THINK ARE FULLY ALIGNED WITH THE URBAN, RESIDENTIAL AND URBAN BUSINESS ZONING DISTRICTS AND CAN BRING IN THAT VISION INTO FRUITION. WITH THAT, WE ALSO HAD LOOKED INTO OTHER DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, AND THERE ARE SOME CLEANUPS PROPOSED FOR THAT. THE PERCENTAGE REQUIREMENT FOR

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I MEAN, UNLESS YOU CONSIDER THE DOWNTOWN ONE. I THINK THAT'S IT. I HAVE NO SPEAKER CARDS ON THIS ITEM. ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE CARE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? OKAY. COME ON DOWN AND I'LL EXPLAIN THAT TO YOU. GOT TO HAVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. SORRY ABOUT THAT. MY NAME IS LINDA PHIPPS. I LIVE AT 2023 TOWN COURT, TOWN COURT IN GARLAND. EVERYONE ELSE HAD AN AREA MAP OF THE PROPOSAL. I WAS JUST ACTUALLY WHERE IS THE AREA? ACTUALLY, THAT'S OUR NEXT CASE.

THIS ITEM IS SEPARATE IN THAT IT ONLY DEALS WITH THE RULES GOVERNING TWO DIFFERENT CLASSIFICATIONS OF ZONING URBAN, RESIDENTIAL AND URBAN BUSINESS, NO MATTER WHERE IT IS IN THE CITY. SO THE NEXT CASE, I THINK, IS THE ONE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND STAFF WILL BE PRESENTING THAT AND HOPEFULLY THAT WILL ANYBODY ELSE DISCUSSION, MR. CHAIR. COMMISSIONER JENKINS MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE AS PRESENTED. OKAY. WE HAVE MOTION BY COMMISSIONER JENKINS. DID I HEAR A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CORNELIUS? COMMISSIONER PARRISH, MAYOR WAS TURNED THAT WAY FIRST. SORRY. HEARING AIDS AND EVERYTHING. ANY ANY DISCUSSION. ACTUALLY, I DO

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SO I WOULD PUT THAT RIGHT BACK IN SO WE COULD GET BANKS IN THIS TYPE OF AREA, RIGHT. OR SUV BY BY RIGHT. MY I HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT. YES. QUESTION OF STAFF OR QUESTION OF YOU. OKAY. COME ON UP ON ME. THERE YOU GO. SO IF WE'RE WANTING TO DO DRIVE THROUGH ATMS, MY THOUGHT FOR YOU WOULD BE WE WOULD KIND OF WANT TO CONTROL WHERE THOSE WENT. WOULD THAT BE A BISHOP OR IF WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW THEM BY RIGHT, THEY'D BE ABLE TO SAY, WE'RE JUST GOING TO PUT A BANK HERE AND IT'S GOING TO HAVE A DRIVE UP ATM. AND ACTUALLY, IT'D BE NICE IF BECAUSE SOMEBODY COULD DO A DRIVE UP ATM SEPARATE FROM A BANK, IT'D BE NICE IF IT WERE LINKED TO AA BANK OR AN SP REQUIREMENT. AN SP REQUIREMENT WOULD ADD CONTROL. BUT THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN NOW, THEY WOULD.

YEAH, IT'S AN SP NOW, I THINK. WHICH PARTICULAR USE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT. JUST JUST SO WE GET IT RIGHT. LET'S SEE I'VE GOT THE. I HIGHLIGHTED THEM ALL. IT'S THE DRIVE THROUGH ATM REQUIREMENT. AND I THINK AUTOMATED TELLER MACHINE ATM DRIVE UP. YEAH THAT ONE OKAY.

NOW IS THAT AN SP OR IS THAT ELIMINATED IN BOTH. I WAS JUST GOING TO LOOK AT THAT BUT. I DO HAVE A TENDENCY TO LOOK AT THESE THINGS. WHY I DON'T KNOW. I'M ON BOARD WITH YOU. I JUST I LIKE THE IDEA OF. SO IT WAS IT. CURRENTLY IT REQUIRES AN SP IN URBAN RESIDENTIAL AND THAT IN THE PROPOSED USE CHART IT STAYS AS IS. IT'S AN URBAN BUSINESS. IT WAS PERMITTED BY RIGHT. AND WE ARE PROPOSING IT THROUGH SP. SO CURRENTLY IT THE WAY IT'S PROPOSED. THEY REQUIRE AN SP ON BOTH. IT'S BEEN ALMOST A MONTH SINCE I DID THIS. NO NO NO YOU'RE FINE. SO IF THAT'S THE CASE THEN DO YOU STILL WANT TO INCLUDE ANY REVISION OR SP KIND OF. WELL, PERSONALLY I THINK BANKS OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO DO IT BY RIGHT. AND THAT IT SHOULD BE ALLOWED FOR BANKS. BUT THAT HYPOTHESIS OF, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ICE PLACES YOU CAN DRIVE UP TO AND GET ICE. SOMEBODY MAY START THAT FOR ATMS AND WE DON'T WANT THAT. YES. AND I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THIS IS NOT THIS PARTICULAR USE IS NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THE BANK. IT'S NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THE FINANCIAL FINANCIAL SERVICE PROVIDER. IT IS UNDER KIOSKS, SELF-SERVICE. SO IT IS TRYING TO REGULATE ATM MACHINES BY THEMSELVES. SO BANKS WOULD BE THE BANKS WOULD BE FINE. I THINK THEY WILL BE DOUBLE CHECK. OKAY. WELL NOT THE DRIVE THROUGH. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A COUPLE THINGS. THIS IS BY ITSELF AN ATM. THEN WE HAVE BANKS. THEN WE HAVE BANKS WITH DRIVE THROUGH. YES. WHICH ONE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT. BANKS WITH DRIVE THROUGH. BANKS WITH DRIVE THRUS. SEE THEY'VE DONE AWAY WITH TELLERS AND THEY'VE PUT ATMS IN ALL THE SLOTS. THEY'RE. IN. A LOT OF PEOPLE, FOR SECURITY REASONS, DON'T WANT TO BE OUT IN THE OPEN. SO A FINANCIAL A FINANCIAL INSTITUTION BY ITSELF IS GOING TO BE A PERMITTED BY. RIGHT. BUT A DRIVE THROUGH SERVICE GENERALLY IS NOT GOING TO BE ALLOWED IN YOU ARE OR UB. I'M NOT A BANKER, BUT I THINK THAT MIGHT DISSUADE SOME BANKS FROM GOING IN. OKAY. AND SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING BODY. WE CAN LET THE DISCUSSION SPEAK FOR ITSELF OR ANY OF Y'ALL CAN INCORPORATE INTO A MOTION. I AM HERE THIS ONE. HERE YOU GO. RIGHT OKAY. BANKER DOWN AT THE END. WOULD I WIPED OUT SOMEBODY ELSE TO GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD. I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT, COMMISSIONER DUCKWORTH. I UNDERSTAND YOUR DESIRE TO SERVE THE PUBLIC, BUT THERE IS A DRIVE THROUGH WINDOW IN THE SHOPPING CENTER IN THE AREA I'M AT, AND SOMETIMES THEY REALLY INCONVENIENCE OTHER PEOPLE BACKING UP AT THAT STAND ALONE TELLER MACHINE. SO I THINK WE NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL. WE ALLOW THOSE TO BE PUT. SO WE'RE NOT ENCOURAGING OTHER PEOPLE, GOING TO OTHER BUSINESSES TO NOT BE ABLE TO PASS BANKS THAT HAVE

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[g. Hold a public hearing and consider the application of the City of Garland, requesting approval of a change in zoning from multiple zoning districts including but not limited to Industrial (IN), Community Retail (CR), and Planned Developments with IN and CR base zoning to Urban Residential (UR) and Urban Business (UB) Districts. The site consists of approximately 317 acres of properties, generally located on the north side of I-635, on both sides of S Garland Avenue. (District 5) (File Z 25-08)]

HERE WE HAVE THE LOCATION MAP, AS YOU CAN SEE OUTLINED IN THE TEAL COLOR ON THE SLIDE.

MAJORITY OF THE AREAS ARE CURRENTLY ZONED EITHER INDUSTRIAL OR COMMUNITY RETAIL, OR THEY HAVE PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS WITH THOSE SAME BASE DISTRICTS OF CR OR IN THE CURRENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS MULTIPLE DESIGNATIONS ON THIS AREA AS EXPECTED. AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SLIDE. TOGETHER, THEY DO FORMULATE A VISION FOR AN URBAN SCALE, MIXED USE BUSINESS AND TRANSIT AND PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, WHICH WE CAN ALL AGREE IS NOT HOW THIS AREA IS DEVELOPED TODAY. I DO WANT TO DRAW ATTENTION TO HOW THIS CITY INITIATED REZONING CAME ABOUT.

IN THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, THERE HAVE BEEN MULTIPLE STUDIES AND PLANS THAT IDENTIFIED THIS VERY AREA AS A CATALYST AREA FOR THE CITY. WE HAVE THE CENTERVILLE MARKETPLACE REVITALIZATION STRATEGY PLAN, WHICH HAD THIS AREA IDENTIFIED AS THE CATALYST. THE HYPERMART SITE WAS IDENTIFIED AND PRIORITIZED ON THE SOUTH GARLAND CORRIDOR PLAN. AS YOU COULD SEE ON THE SECOND PICTURE, OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN ALSO RECOGNIZED THIS AREA AS A CATALYST AREA. AND THEN OUR ONGOING COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING EFFORT HAS ALREADY INFORMED US THAT THIS AREA WOULD BE MARKED FOR REDEVELOPMENT AND REVITALIZATION. SO THERE ARE VERY MANY STUDIES THAT CLEARLY RECOGNIZE THAT THE AREA IS RIPE FOR REDEVELOPMENT. IT I ALSO A GATEWAY TO THE CITY AND HAS NOT REALLY DEVELOPED AS SUCH. SO THE URBAN, RESIDENTIAL AND URBAN

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SO WE HAVE DONE OUR REGULAR NOTIFICATION, WHICH IS WITHIN 400FT OF THE ZONING REQUEST, WHICH IS WHAT WE DO FOR EVERY SINGLE ZONING CASE THAT COMES FORWARD. ADDITIONALLY, IN 2023, THE STATE REQUIRED MUNICIPALITIES TO NOTIFY ANY BUSINESS THAT CAN POTENTIALLY BECOME NON-CONFORMING DUE TO A REZONING EFFORT, AND IT REQUIRES THAT THE CITY PUTS IN THIS BLURB THAT YOU CAN SEE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE. NOTICE THE STATE REQUIRES THAT WE PUT IT IN BOLD BLOCK LETTER 14 POINTS OR ABOVE. SO WE HAVE SENT BOTH LETTERS TO EVERY SINGLE PROPERTY OWNER AND EVERY SINGLE USER WITHIN THE REZONING, WITHIN THE AREA OF REQUEST. AND THE REGULAR NOTICE WAS ALSO SENT TO PROPERTY OWNERS THAT ARE WITHIN 400FT. BUT THE NON-CONFORMING LETTER WAS SENT TO EVERY SINGLE PROPERTY OWNER AND USER WITHIN THE AREA OF REQUEST. SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT IT OUT THERE. AND BEFORE I MOVE ON TO QUESTIONS WE DID RECEIVE, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, WE SENT 778

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THEY THEY THEY WILL BE ABLE TO DO INTERIOR REMODELING, PAINTING THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO EXPAND THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT. ADDITIONALLY, IF A NON-CONFORMING USE VACATES THE PROPERTY FOR SIX MONTHS, THEY CANNOT COME BACK AND OPERATE AS A NON-CONFORMING USE AGAIN.

AFTER SIX MONTHS, THEY'LL HAVE TO COME BACK AS A CONFORMING USE. THERE WERE ALSO QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS IF A FIRE OR AN ELEMENT CAUSES DESTRUCTION TO THE PROPERTIES. SO IF THE DESTRUCTION IS 60% OR LESS OF THE COST OF REBUILDING, THEN THE BUILDING OFFICIAL CAN ISSUE A PERMIT FOR THAT SO THEY WILL BE ABLE TO REBUILD IT TO THE PREVIOUS USE. IF IT'S BETWEEN 60% AND LESS THAN 100%, THERE IS AN AVENUE STILL TO FOR THEM TO GO BEFORE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND ASK FOR A VARIANCE TO CONTINUE TO REBUILD IT FOR THE NON-CONFORMING USE. BUT IF IT'S A TOTAL DESTRUCTION, WHICH MEANS 100%, THEN IT CANNOT BE REBUILT. SO WITH THAT, I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. I KNOW IT IS A BIG CASE. IT HAS A LOT OF MOVING PIECES, SO I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE, COMMISSIONER DALTON, WE HAVE 388 LEGAL NONCONFORMING IF THIS GOES THROUGH. HAVE YOU LOOKED AT HOW MANY OF THEM WILL ACTUALLY STILL BE LEGAL AND CONFORMING UNDER THE NEW. YES. SO 344 IS EVERYONE. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN ALL OF THEM ARE GOING TO BECOME NON-CONFORMING, RIGHT? IN OUR CALCULATION. AND AGAIN, THERE COULD BE SOME APPROXIMATE GUESSTIMATE. THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T TAKE THE RISK. THAT'S WHY WE SENT IT TO EVERYONE. THERE COULD BE ABOUT 100 AND 120 THAT MAY BECOME NON-CONFORMING WITH THIS PROPOSED REZONING. SO THEY WILL BE LEGALLY NON-CONFORMING. AFTER THE CHANGE OF ZONING, THERE WILL BE 100 120 THAT MAY BECOME NON-CONFORMING. THE REST WILL STILL REMAIN AS CONFORMING. 100 AND SOMETHING 100 AND SOMETHING CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE ONE COMMENT HERE. THERE'S ONE CRITERIA FOR TERMINATION OF NON-CONFORMING USE. YOU DIDN'T MENTION 2.81 B VIOLATION OF ANY PROVISION OF THE GDC OR ANY ORDINANCE OF THE CITY WITH RESPECT TO A NONCONFORMING USE.

THAT IS CORRECT. YES, I MISSED THAT ONE. SO IF THEY KILL OFF ALL THEIR LANDSCAPING, COULD THAT DISABLE THEIR NON-CONFORMING USE? TECHNICALLY, BUT USUALLY OUR CODE COMPLIANCE DEPARTMENT TRIES TO WORK WITH THEM AND TRIES TO GET THEM BACK INTO COMPLIANCE. SO THOSE ARE KIND OF WILL BE EVALUATED CASE BY CASE I SUPPOSE. YEAH. SO THAT'S KIND OF UP TO THE STAFF AT THE TIME. CORRECT. OKAY. SO THE GOAL BEHIND THIS IS THERE'S VACANT LAND THERE THAT YOU HOPE TO BE REDEVELOPED. WE'RE GETTING NEW ACCESS ROADS ALONG 635. THE GOAL IS THAT THERE'S NEW DEVELOPMENT ON THE VACANT LAND AND WITH THE ACCESS ROADS THAT THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY BECOMES SO GREAT THAT SOME OF THESE USES THERE WILL ABANDON AND ALLOW FOR REDEVELOPMENT KIND OF THING OR SELL OFF. IT ALL DEPENDS. WE'RE JUST SETTING THE STAGE. THERE COULD BE A BIG DEVELOPMENT COMING IN TALKING TO. THEY MAY TALK TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND IT CAN GO THAT WAY, OR IT CAN REDEVELOP PIECE BY PIECE AS THINGS BECOME AVAILABLE. IT'S REALLY ALL UP IN THE AIR. THIS IS TRULY THE FIRST STEP TO SET THE STAGE SO THAT WE CA WE DON'T HAVE TO CONTINUE ALLOWING USES THAT DON'T SERVE THAT AREA ANYMORE. YEAH, AND MY CONCERN BOILS DOWN TO LEGAL NONCONFORMING USE ANDEING ABLE TO RUN A BUSINESS WITH THAT HANGING OVER YOUR HEAD OR WITH YOUR HANGING OVER YOUR BANKERS HEAD AND STUFF. SO THAT'S THAT'S MY CONCERN. UNDERSTOOD. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALL RIGHTY. I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE A FEW SPEAKER CARDS ON THIS ONE.

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DALLAS, TEXAS 75219. MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, THANK YOU. AND I'M GOING TO MAYBE BE LONGER THAN MOST, BUT OUR CLIENT'S THREE MINUTES. WELL, YOU SAID IF YOU HAVE A GROUP PUBLIC STORAGE CARMAX RACETRACK AND PEPBOYS ARE ALL CLIENTS OKAY. AND THAT'S SEVERAL, YOU KNOW, $100 BILLION CAPITALIZED COMPANIES. SO I THINK IN THIS INSTANCE, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, I DON'T DISAGREE ABOUT USING THE RIGHT TOOL. AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH DIVISION FOR THE FUTURE, BUT IT PUNISHES PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN OPERATING THERE FOR MANY, MANY YEARS AND DECADES. SO THERE'S NO REASON BECAUSE THIS IS PUNITIVE IN NATURE, IN THAT IF THERE IS 100% LOSS AND THAT'S HAPPENED IN 2015, THERE WAS A TORNADO. I MEAN, THIS IS A SERIOUS PROBLEM FOR PEOPLE THAT OWN THEIR PROPERTY OR HAVE LONG TERM GROUND LEASES, THAT THEY COULD HAVE A TOTAL LOSS. I MEAN, FOR THE 45 YEARS OF OUR COMPANY, YOU KNOW, WE'VE REALLY ALWAYS LIKED COMING TO GARLAND BECAUSE IT'S BEEN SO PRO-BUSINESS. THIS IS NOT PRO-BUSINESS. AND IF IT IF THERE WERE, YOU KNOW, YOUR DIRECTOR SAID THERE'S NO ACTIVE DEVELOPMENT PLANS. THAT'S RIGHT. AND THERE AREN'T. IF THERE WERE, THEY'D ALREADY COME AND THEY'D BE DOING ZONING CASES. THAT WOULD CERTAINLY PASS. SO THERE'S NO REASON TO MAKE ALL THESE PEOPLE NONCONFORMING. YOU COULD DO A PD AND GRANT EVERYBODY LOTS OF RIGHTS SO THAT THEY COULD ENJOY THOSE AND BE ABLE TO SELL AND CREATE THAT CHANGE. YOU KNOW, IN THE COMMENT TO THAT, THERE ARE USES IN THE AREA THAT USES THAT ARE NOT GOOD FOR THE AREA ANYMORE, DON'T SERVE THE AREA ANYMORE. I THINK THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID. WELL, THEY EMPLOY A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGH, YOU KNOW, AND THERE ARE SEVERAL. THERE'S MORE THAN 100 USES THAT WOULD BECOME NONCONFORMING. SO ON WITH THE SHOW, I JUST DON'T THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT APPROACH. SO BY WAY OF COMPARISON, THE STATE FAIR OF TEXAS IS SMALLER THAN THIS AREA IS. IT'S REALLY BIG, 300 ACRES.

I USE THAT AS AN EXAMPLE. IT'S A VERY LARGE AREA WITH A LOT OF OWNERS. YES. THE CITY OWNS 50 ACRES AND THEY'VE BEEN TRYING TO DEVELOP THAT 50 ACRES NOW SINCE WE DID THAT RACETRACK BY HYPERMART 15 YEARS AGO. THAT COULD HAVE BEEN A CATALYST AREA ON ALL ON ITS OWN. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE IF IT HAD, BUT IT HASN'T HAPPENED. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, PROBLEMATIC.

THERE'S THIS REALLY LARGE AREA WHERE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE BEING CAUGHT SORT OF IN THIS, IN THIS, THIS TRAP THAT CREATES REAL PROBLEMS FOR OPERATING THEIR BUSINESSES. AND I THINK THIS IS WHAT THE PROBLEM, THIS IS A PLANNING EXERCISE, MASTER PLANS IN THE ZONING BUSINESS. WE WORK AT THE TIP OF THE SPEAR. LIKE THAT LAST ITEM ABOUT THE CODE CHANGES. WE WERE IN THE BACK.

BANK OF AMERICA IS A LARGE NATIONAL CLIENT OF OURS. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO LOOK AT SITES THAT DON'T THAT REQUIRE AN SUP. LET'S MOVE ON. IT JUST TAKES TOO LONG TO DO THAT. THE 24FT IN HEIGHT.

THERE ARE MARKET FACTORS WHEN CITY CREATE CITIES CREATE RULES, THEY OFTEN ARE NOT NOT MARKET BASED. THEY'RE PHILOSOPHICAL. AND THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF STUDIES THAT HAVE BEEN DONE. BUT WHEN THE CITY DID THOSE STUDIES, THEY DID NOT SAY, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE YOUR PROPERTY NONCONFORMING WHERE YOU CAN'T REBUILD IT. SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, A PRETTY SERIOUS PROBLEM HERE THAT JUXTAPOSES ZONING IS THE PRESIDENT. THE CITY IS USING A ZONING TOOL TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT THERE'S NOT PRESENTLY DEMAND FOR. IF THERE WAS, I'D BE HERE ON A ZONING CASE FOR MULTIFAMILY. OKAY. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC STORAGE IS THE ORANGE. THOSE ARE OUR CLIENTS. I MEAN, THEY CONSTITUTE, YOU KNOW, 37 OR SOMETHING ACRES OF THE SITE.

AND, YOU KNOW, I'D POINT OUT, LIKE THE CARMAX ONE, MY DAD CAME HERE IN THE 1990S AND DID A PD FOR, FOR CARMAX AND CREATED A SOCIAL COMPACT WITH THE CITY, WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND THEMSELVES. AND THE CITY IS TRYING TO BACK OUT OF THAT SAMEE THG WITH RACETRACK. I DID TWO ZONING CASES WHERE I CAME AND WE GOT PDS FOR THOSE. SO WE CAME TO THE CITY. WE ASKED FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL TO GRANT APPROPRIATE ZONING, AND THEY DID. AND NOW THE RULES ARE CHANGING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE GAME. THAT'S INHERENTLY UNFAIR FOR PEOPLE WHO MAKE LARGE INVESTMENTS AND OR LARGE EMPLOYERS. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THESE ARE JUST SOME OF THE NONCONFORMING ONES. I DIDN'T KNOW. THERE'S PROBABLY 120, BUT I WILL BEFORE NEXT TIME. SO, YOU

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BUT WHY DO YOU NEED TO PUNISH THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN DOING BUSINESS THERE FOR, FOR DECADES, WHO DON'T HAVE ANY RECORD OF ALL THESE CODE VIOLATIONS OR NUISANCE? CERTAININLY THERERE SOME BUSINESSES THAT COME IN THERE THAT HAVE NOT BEEN POPULAR. I'VE TALKED TO MANY NEIGHBORS THAT HAVE DONE THAT. IF THIS WAS SO NECESSARY AS A TOOL, WHY WEREN'T THERE MORE COMMUNITY MEETINGS? I CAN ASSURE YOU, IF I WAS HERE ON A ON A ZONING CASE FOR 30 ACRES AND HADN'T HAD A SINGLE COMMUNITY MEETING, THE CASE WOULDN'T GO VERY FAR. AND WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT. WE THINK THAT THAT THESE BUSINESSES ARE ENTITLED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S BEST FOR THEIR FUTURES. YOU KNOW, PUBLIC STORAGE IS ONE OF THE LARGEST PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE WORLD.

THEY'RE NOT A SELLER. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE A SELLER IF IT'S MADE NONCONFORMING. I MEAN, THEY'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO OPERATE THERE, BUT IT'S GOING TO CREATE A PROBLEM FOR THEM. IF THERE IS A, YOU KNOW, NATURAL CATASTROPHE. SO, YOU KNOW, WE WORKED WITH ZONDA, WHICH IS ONE OF THE LARGEST COMPANIES IN THE COUNTRY, TO DO A STUDY ABOUT WHAT TODAY THE MARKET WOULD BEAR FOR MULTIFAMILY IN THIS AREA AND, AND THE STUDY. SO THEY ARE THEY HAVE AN OFFICE HERE, BUT THEY'RE NOT BASED HERE. BUT ZONDA LOOKED AT THIS AND CAME BACK AND SAID MULTIFAMILY, WHICH IS THIS IS ENCOURAGING, WOULD HAVE TO BE FIVE STORIES AND YOU CAN GET A $1.61 RENT. THAT'S WHAT THIS PRODUCT, THE FILAMENT THAT GOT BUILT IS. SO YOU'RE CREATING RIGHTS THAT NO ONE WILL USE BECAUSE THE RIGHT NOW THE MARKET IS THREE STORY SURFACE PARKED. SO I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY PLANNING IS A GOOD PHILOSOPHY TO TOOL. IT DOES NOT DRIVE THE MARKET. AND YOU KNOW YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE THINGS TURN OVER UNTIL THE MARKET IS THERE, EVEN IF THE CITY WANTS THEM TO HAPPEN. SO HERE'S ANOTHER STUDY ON VACANCY RATE RATES FROM COSTAR. THIS IS A REALLY HARD TIME FOR RETAIL AND FOR OFFICE AND FOR MULTIFAMILY IN THIS MARKET. AND THAT'S NOT JUST IN GARLAND. IT'S EVERYWHERE. THIS IS THE SLOWEST OUR BUSINESS HAS BEEN SINCE PROBABLY SAVINGS AND LOAN CRISIS. WE WERE EVEN BUSIER THAN THE GREAT RECESSION. THERE ARE NOT PEOPLE DOING LOTS OF PROJECTS RIGHT NOW. HERE'S ANOTHER ONE. RETAIL CONSTRUCTION. LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS. HOW THEY CONTINUE TO FALL. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SAW YESTERDAY'S MORNING NEWS. SAME THING ABOUT RETAILERS. YOU KNOW, NOT BEING HAVING A LOT ALL THE STORE CLOSINGS OKAY. HERE'S WHERE PLANNING TOOLS WORK. WE DID VICTORY THE AMERICAN AIRLINES CENTER. OUR FIRM IS STILL WORKING ON VICTORY THERE. WHAT WAS THE CATALYST FOR THAT? THE MAVERICKS THANKFULLY WE WON THE LOTTERY TONIGHT. AND THE STARS. WE HAD A HUGE CATALYST PROJECT. BUT EVEN THEN, THE RETAIL HAS NEVER PERFORMED WELL IN VICTORY. IT'S JUST STARTING STARTING TO GET BETTER. BUT THERE'S NOT A CATALYST PROJECT THAT'S COMING LIKE THIS. I MEAN, THERE'S NOT ONE THING THAT'S GOING TO DRIVE THIS GIANT MIXED USE THING. AND IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE OPPOSED TO SMALLER DEALS, BUT WHY PUNISH THESE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN OPERATING, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE YEARS? SO AND I'LL CONCLUDE WITH THIS, YOU KNOW. GRAND PRAIRIE, YOU KNOW, ON THE TOLLWAY THERE HAS HAD A REAL RENAISSANCE. I MEAN, IT'S REALLY BROUGHT THE CITY ALONG. IKEA WAS THAT CATALYST THERE. AND THEN THEY GOT CHICKEN AND PICKLE. THAT WHOLE AREA NOW IS PRETTY DENSE. IT HAS A LOT OF MULTIFAMILY, A LOT OF ENTERTAINMENT USES. ANDRETTI'S IS THERE, BUT THEY DIDN'T GO IN AND MAKE EVERYBODY NONCONFORMING. THEY WENT IN AND ENCOURAGED PEOPLE. OH YES, TOPGOLF. WE HAVE NO PROBLEM IF YOU DO THAT. AND ANDRETTI'S WE DON'T. WE'RE NOT WORRIED. THEY MADE IT KNOWN THAT THEY'RE OPEN FOR BUSINESS, AND THEY GRANTED EVERYBODY A LOT OF RIGHTS. THE MARKET TOOK CARE OF SMALL MOTELS OR USES THAT WEREN'T GOOD. THEY WENT AWAY. BUT THE LARGE THESE LARGE CORPORATIONS WE'RE REPRESENTING, THEY'RE NOT BAD OPERATORS AND THEY'RE NOT IN PANTHER ISLAND IN FORT WORTH. THEY WENT IN AND DID THIS, AND THERE HAS BEEN ONE MULTIFAMILY DEAL DONE. I TALKED TO HIM. IT HAS NOT PERFORMED WELL. THE CITY CAME IN WITH A BROAD BRUSH AND LOTS OF PLANNING, AND IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. YOU GOT TO HAVE THAT CATALYST DEAL AND STAFF EVEN TOLD YOU IT'S NOT THERE. SO I'M ALL IN FAVOR OF THE VISION. I ACTUALLY, AS A PLANNER CAN SEE IT HAPPENING, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO PUNISH THE HUNDRED PLUS BUSINESSES ARE THERE. YOU DON'T NEED TO MAKE PEOPLE NONCONFORMING. AND THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MORE MEETINGS. AND I KNOW THERE'S SOME NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTS THAT ARE NOT. I'LL LESS THAN A MINUTE. I'M SORRY, CHAIRMAN, YOU KNOW THAT. DON'T WANT ALL THE

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ANY QUESTIONS? MR. GOTHAM? OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING DOWN. SURE. THANK YOU, MISS ROBERT. ALL RIGHTY. NEXT CARD I HAD IS AMBER RAY. AND AFTER THAT, LINDA PHIPPS.

MY NAME IS AMBER RAY. I LIVE AT 1402 CEDAR CREST DRIVE, GARLAND, TEXAS. AND TODAY I'M REPRESENTING D BROWN. WE OWN THE SLIVER ON SHILOH ROAD. ORIGINALLY IT WAS 4101 SOUTH SHILOH ROAD. WE WERE TAKEN OVER BY TEXDOT AND OUR ADDRESS CHANGED TO 4065 SOUTH SHILOH ROAD. WE ARE IN OPPOSITION AND WE ARE PROPOSING THE REZONING OF THE URBAN, RESIDENTIAL AND URBAN BUSINESS TO EXCLUDE THAT WHOLE TRIANGLE IN WHICH NOT THE BIG ONE WE'RE HYPERMART WAS BUT THE OTHER TRIANGLE WHERE SHILOH AND GARLAND TO BE EXCLUDED. WE ARE ASKING FOR THIS BECAUSE IT WOULD MAKE OUR BUSINESS LEGALLY NON-CONFORMING, AND THIS STATUS WOULD SEVERELY LIMIT OUR ABILITY TO MAKE THE CHANGES AND IMPROVEMENTS TO OUR BUILDING. WE'VE BEEN THERE FOR 61 YEARS.

WE'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR 75 YEARS. SO THERE IS A LOT OF STUFF AND IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE WANT TO DO THAT WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO, AND THAT WOULD HINDER OUR ABILITY TO GROW AS A BUSINESS. WE DO A LOT OF RESTORATION WORK THROUGHOUT GARLAND AND DOWNTOWN DALLAS, OTHER MAJOR CITIES IN THE METROPLEX, AND A LOT OF THAT STONE IS SOURCED THROUGH US, AND WE ARE DOING ALL OF IT. AND WE'RE DOING WE'RE BRINGING IN A LOT OF HIGH TECH. WE EMPLOY A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE IN AND OUT OF OUR OFFICE SPACE THERE, AND OUR MAIN HEADQUARTERS HAS ALREADY BEEN RELOCATED BECAUSE GARLAND AND TEXDOT HAVE PUSHED US OUT. AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE WANT TO DO WHEN WE HAVE A RICH HISTORY OF 61 YEARS IN THIS LOCATION. BUT SO TONIGHT, I'M ASKING FOR YOU GUYS TO EXCLUDE THAT PROPERTY FROM THE REZONING, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT AGAINST THE URBAN BUSINESS AND URBAN RESIDENTIAL, BUT THAT SECTION IS PRETTY MUCH WORTHLESS IF YOU REZONE IT. IT'S THAT TINY SLIVER, NOTHING ON EITHER SIDE. IT'S GARLAND AND SHILOH. SO THANK YOU GUYS. AND THAT'S IT. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, ANYTHING FOR THE SPEAKER? THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING DOWN. ALL RIGHT. YES WE DO, COMMISSIONER JENKINS. NO, I'M SORRY, MR. CHAIR. IT WASN'T FOR THE SPEAKER. THE PRESENTATION DOWN, PLEASE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. LINDA PHIPPS. AND THEN BEHIND HER, BRAD PARKER. TAKE IT OFF COMPLETELY. MY NAME IS LINDA PHIPPS. I LIVE AT 2023 TOWN COURT. I'VE BEEN THERE SINCE 1980. I CAN TELL YOU A LOT OF HISTORY THAT'S GOING ON. IT WASN'T UNTIL WE GOT THE CURRENT WATER TOWER THERE AT LEON ROAD IN. MCCLEARY. THAT WE WERE ABLE TO USE OUR TOILETS AND WASH WHEN WE WANTED TO, AND USE OUR

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PLEASE, I DO NOT WANT ANOTHER DRUG INFESTED. I CAN'T USE THAT WORD. BUT WE DON'T NEED THAT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. WE HAVE TWO ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, ONE JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL TO ACCOMMODATE OUR HOMES. RIGHT NOW, THOSE SCHOOLS ARE AT CAPACITY BRINGING IN THOSE PEOPLE. WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO PUT YOUR SCHOOLS AT? YOU HAVEN'T EVEN STARTED THINKING ABOUT WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO PUT THEM. IF YOU USE ALL THIS LAND FOR OTHER STUFF, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH IT? THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. VOTE AGAINST IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING DOWN. I SEE NO QUESTIONS FOR YOU. THANK YOU. BRAD PARKER. AND THEN AFTER HIM, BRADLEY ESCOBAR. GOOD EVENING.

COMMISSION BRAD PARKER 3710 SOUTH SHILOH. I'M THE LADY WITH DE BROWN, BASICALLY SAID EVERYTHING I WANTED TO SAY. MY BIGGEST I'D PROBABLY SAY MY BIGGEST COMPLAINT WITH THE CITY IS JUST THE LACK OF COMMUNICATION. YOU KNOW, WE'VE OPERATED FOR ALMOST 50 YEARS.

AND I MEAN, THE LOCATION FOR OUR BUSINESS. SORRY. WE OPERATE A PLUMBING COMPANY OUT OF 3710 SOUTH SHILOH. AND. I JUST WANT TO KNOW, I, YOU KNOW, I'VE PUT MONEY INTO MY BUILDING. SO IN 2023, I INVESTED A LOT OF MONEY INTO OUR BUILDING. AND I KNOW THIS WAS PART OF THE CITY'S PLAN, AND I WOULD HAVE NEVER INVESTED THAT MONEY IN MY BUILDING IF I WOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT THIS WAS GOING TO COME ALONG. EVERYBODY AROUND ME HAS BEEN BOUGHT BY THE GARLAND DEVELOPMENT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. I'M THE ONLY PROPERTY IN THE WHOLE AREA THAT HASN'T BEEN BOUGHT. NO ONE TELLS ME ANYTHING. I CAN'T GET ANY ANSWERS. I NEED TO, I NEED TO DO UPDATES TO MY BUILDING AND BUILD OFFICES. I CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO KEEP INVESTING MONEY WHEN I DON'T KNOW WHAT. I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. AND THAT'S THE FRUSTRATION. I JUST WANT ANSWERS. AND FOR THAT I'M AGAINST AGAINST THE REZONING. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. LET'S SEE. BRADLEY ESCOBAR FOLLOWED BY TONY CUNNINGHAM. GOOD EVENING. BRADLEY ESCOBAR, 12 800 TUCKAHOE CREEK PARKWAY, MANAKIN-SABOT, VIRGINIA. SO THIS IS CARMAX'S THIRD TIME FLYING OUT HERE. SHOWS HOW IMPORTANT THE CITY OF GARLAND IS TO US, THIS LOCATION AND HOW MUCH WE CARE ABOUT ALL OUR ASSOCIATES. SO I'M HERE TO SHOW FACE AND HERE TO ANSWER ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS MAY HAVE. WE HOPE YOU GUYS MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION AND MAKE IT A THOUGHTFUL DECISION. BUT HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, ANY QUESTIONS OF CARMAX. I SEE NONE.

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MR. CHAIRMAN, COMMISSIONERS. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS TONY RUTIGLIANO. OKAY. I TOLD YOU I'D MAKE UP NAMES. THAT'S OKAY. IT'S HAPPENED MY ENTIRE LIFE. I'M. I'M NOT A HANDWRITING EXPERT, SO IT'S OKAY. IT'S ILLEGIBLE, I'M SURE I AM. WITH RACETRACK. WE ARE AT 200 GALLERIA PARKWAY IN ATLANTA, GEORGIA. I ACTUALLY LIVE LOCALLY HERE IN FORT WORTH, AND I THINK I CAN OFFER A UNIQUE PERSPECTIVE TO THE CONVERSATION WE'RE HAVING TONIGHT. I, IN A FORMER LIFE, ACTUALLY RAN THE DOWNTOWN ARLINGTON MANAGEMENT CORPORATION. AND I CAN ADMIRE THE VISION THAT YOU'VE SET FORTH HERE TO REALLY CHANGE THE SHAPE AND THE FACE OF YOUR COMMUNITY. YOU'VE DONE AN AMAZING JOB IN DOWNTOWN GARLAND. I WAS HERE TEN, 15 YEARS AGO AND THERE WAS REALLY NOT MUCH GOING ON. I SERVED ON THE TEXAS DOWNTOWN ASSOCIATION BOARD FOR A LONG TIME. WE WERE GOING AROUND COMMUNITIES TRYING TO HELP THEM REVITALIZE SO I CAN APPRECIATE THE VISION. I THINK THE TOOL IS WRONG AND TO KIND OF SPEAK TO WHAT DALLAS WAS SAYING EARLIER. I THINK THERE ARE MANY MORE TOOLS IN YOUR TOOLBOX THAT MAYBE YOU DON'T KNOW OF, OR MAYBE YOU HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT, THAT YOU CAN USE TO KIND OF HELP ACHIEVE THE GOAL THAT YOU HAVE HERE TODAY. YOU KNOW, FROM OVERLAYS TO TOURS TO CHAPTER THREE AGREEMENTS TO ALL KINDS OF THINGS, YOU'VE GOT AN EDC, IT SOUNDS LIKE. SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO THINK ABOUT WHAT OTHER TOOLS ARE IN THE TOOLBOX. THIS ONE SEEMS LIKE A LITTLE HEAVY HANDED TO JUST CHANGE THE ZONING. YOU KNOW, WE'VE OPERATED HERE IN GARLAND SINCE 2012 AND BEEN PARTNERS IN THE COMMUNITY SINCE 2012. AND I WOULD AND I WOULD JUST SAY, WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO BE PARTNERS, AND WE WOULD LOVE TO BE PART OF THIS CONVERSATION MOVING FORWARD TO SEE IF WE CAN WORK WITH YOU TO MEET THE VISION THAT YOU HAVE TO REVITALIZE THE COMMUNITY IN WAYS THAT YOU WANT TO SEE IT REVITALIZED. SO I'LL YIELD THE REST OF MY TIME. ANYTHING FOR THIS GENTLEMAN? WELL, I DO RECALL. LET'S SEE. YOU'VE GOT THE GAS STATION AND YOU ALL DID THE ENTRY SIGN. I BELIEVE THAT'S A RACETRACK, RIGHT? YES. AND Y'ALL DID THAT ENTRY SIGN, AND I BELIEVEVE YOU DIDN'T. YOU REDO RECENTLY? THE ONE ON NORTHWEST HIGHWAY? I BELIEVE THAT'S I THINK THAT WAS ALMOST A TEAR DOWN REBUILD THAT ONE. YEAH. SO WE CONTINUE TO REINVEST IN THE COMMUNITY OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. CARL CRAWLEY.

AND. CHRIS BOWERS I THINK IS AFTER HIM. CARL CRAWLEY 3333 WILBURN DALLAS, TEXAS 75219. WE JUST MOVED THERE. I JUST FOUND OUT THE ZIP CODE A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO, SOME OF THE JUST TO GO OVER I TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. I GUESS THE DART RELOCATION CAME UP. I THINK WE KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY DART HAS IN THEIR POCKET. NOT. AND WE DO A LOT OF WORK FOR DART AND IT. THAT SITE WOULD BE A GOOD GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR TOD. I AGREE A DIFFERENT SORT OF TOD THAN A RAIL TOD THAT WE HAVE AS WE'RE SPEAKING HERE, JUST TO GO OVER SOME OF THE NATIONAL THINGS THAT WOULD BE MADE NONCONFORMING. THE CHAIRMAN MENTIONED BANKS. THERE'S CAPITAL ONE AND WELLS FARGO, BOTH DRIVE THRUS. OOPS. NON-CONFORMING. OBVIOUSLY. PUBLIC STORAGE RACETRACK CARMAX PEPBOYS.

THERE'S A VOLKSWAGEN DEALERSHIP THERE NOT BE NONCONFORMING. THERE ARE EIGHT DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANTS. WING STREET THAT I KNOW OF. THERE COULD BE MORE CHICKEN EXPRESS, MCDONALD'S.

SCOOTERS, STARBUCKS, BRAUM'S, ARBY'S, LA SALSA VERDE TAQUERIA, WHICH IS OVER TOWARDS THE OLD HYPERMART SITE. I KIND OF HATE MYSELF. I TOOK MY KIDS TO THE WHITEWATER THAT WAS THERE WHERE CARMAX IS IN 1984. I WOULD GUESS THE EARLIER DISCUSSION WITH BOB MITCHELL PROBABLY WAS THE PLANNING DIRECTOR. I, I DID DEVELOPMENT IN GARLAND. THAT SORT OF DATES ME. I'M SORRY.

LET'S SEE. GROCERY STORES, ALDI'S. OH YEAH. IN THAT LITTLE SORT OF PLACE THAT'S BASED IN

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THE FUNERAL HOME. OH, THE FUNERAL HOME. THAT'S NON-CONFORMING. 7-ELEVEN.

NON-CONFORMING BECAUSE THEY HAVE GAS PUMPS. LET'S SEE. BANKS. OH, AMBERTON COLLEGE. UNIVERSITY NONCONFORMING. I TOOK SOME CLASSES THERE. LET'S SEE. OH, SOMETHING INTERESTING. NOT NONCONFORMING USE. BUT NOW A NONSTANDARD USE WILL BE THE NEW APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT I BELIEVE THE CITY IS INVOLVED IN. OR AT LEAST THE HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION BE INVOLVED IN, BECAUSE THEIR SETBACKS WOULDN'T COMPLY WITH THE URBAN, RESIDENTIAL OR URBAN BUSINESS.

BUT THEY'RE NOT NOT NON-CONFORMING IN THE WAY OF USES A THREE MOTELS. I MENTIONED THE BANKS, THREE AUTO DEALERSHIPS. THERE IS A USED CAR DEALERSHIP OVER BY THE HYPERMART. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY I FORGOT DISCOUNT TIRE, LET'S NOT FORGET THEM IS ANOTHER NATIONAL BRAND. SO OBVIOUSLY SEVERAL NATIONAL BRANDS. I WAS SURPRISED 120 NONCONFORMING. I DIDN'T COUNT THAT HIGH. WE DID. WE DID WALK THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND FIND A LOT OF THEM. I THINK AS SOME OTHER PEOPLE HAVE MENTIONED THERE, THIS IS A, I THINK, A SHOTGUN APPROACH. I'VE BEEN DOING PLANNING FOR, WELL, A LONG TIME. AND THERE IS A SOLUTION THAT I THINK MOST PEOPLE IT'S NEVER ALWAYS 100% OF PEOPLE, BUT MOST PEOPLE COULD AGREE TO I DON'T THINK THIS IS IT. I THINK THERE'S A THERE'S A GOOD POTENTIAL ABOUT A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT TO HELP PEOPLE PRESERVE SOME OF THEIR RIGHTS. AGAIN, I LIVE IN ROWLETT, JUST DOWN THE ROAD. MY HOUSE MISSED THE TORNADO BY 300FT. THERE ARE STILL SOME VACANT LOTS. SO THOSE IF THAT TORNADO COME THROUGH HERE, THERE'D BE A LOT OF BUSINESSES THAT COULDN'T REBUILD, PERIOD.

AND A LOT OF IT PEOPLE WHO WOULD LOSE THEIR JOBS AND STUFF BECAUSE OF THAT. SO I THINK THERE IS AN APPROACH THAT WILL WIN. AGAIN. THERE WERE NO MEETINGS. I THINK IF THERE WERE, WE COULD HAVE COME UP WITH A APPROACH THAT THAT WOULD MAKE EVERYBODY AT LEAST NOT UPSET.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY ANY QUESTIONS? ALRIGHTY. CHRIS BOWERS AND THEN DOROTHY ZIMMERMAN. GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR. MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, CHRIS BOWERS, SISTER, LAW GROUP, 1316 VILLAGE CREEK DRIVE, PLANO, TEXAS. I AM HERE TONIGHT REPRESENTING LUCKY STRIKE ENTERTAINMENT. THEY HAVE A TENANT THAT HAS A BOWLING ALLEY AT 1950 MARKETPLACE IN GARLAND, AND I WAS JUST RETAINED ON THIS MATTER FRIDAY, AND I COULDN'T DETERMINE FROM ALL OF THE MATERIALS THAT WERE ONLINE WHAT THE PROPOSED ZONING WAS FOR MY CLIENT'S PROPERTY. SO I CALLED THE CITY OF GARLAND'S PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND ASKED THAT QUESTION. AND THAT PERSON SAID, LET ME GET BACK TO YOU. LET ME TALK TO MY SUPERVISOR. SO I WAITED SEVERAL MINUTES ON THE PHONE, AND THEN I GOT AN ANSWER. THE ANSWER WAS, IT'S GOING TO BE URBAN BUSINESS. AND I LOOKED AND THAT WOULD ALLOW THIS BUSINESS TO REMAIN CONFORMING. BUT I WOULD SUGGEST TO YOU THAT THERE IS A FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM WHEN YOU CAN'T TELL, WHEN YOU LOOK AT A PROPOSAL ONLINE, WHETHER HOW YOUR PROPERTY'S CLIENT WILL BE ZONED. THAT TO ME IS A DUE PROCESS PROBLEM, BECAUSE YOU HAVE A DUTY TO TELL PEOPLE WHAT YOUR PLAN IS. AND I WOULD ALSO SUGGEST THAT THERE'S A RELATED DUE PROCESS PROBLEM WHEN YOU ARE CHANGING PEOPLE'S ZONING AND AT THE SAME TIME TO A DIFFERENT CATEGORY, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU'RE CHANGING THE NATURE OF THAT CATEGORY. SO IF YOU'RE DOING THIS AT THE SAME TIME, YOU COULD END UP THINKING, OH, I LIKE THIS URBAN BUSINESS, PROPOSED ZONING. BUT THEN A FEW MINUTES LATER CHANGED THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF WHAT URBAN BUSINESS IS. NOW, THAT'S NOT WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE RIGHT NOW, TODAY. AND MY CLIENT APPRECIATES THAT.

BUT I WOULD SUGGEST TO YOU THAT YOU SHOULD TAKE THESE ONE AT A TIME SO THAT PEOPLE KNOW FOR WITH CERTAINTY WHAT IS URBAN BUSINESS, WHA DOES WHAT IS ALLOWED THERE? RIGHT NOW YOU'RE CHANGING BOTH THE ZONING OF AN AREA, AND YOU'RE ALSO PROPOSING TO CHANGE WHAT THESE ZONING CATEGORIES MEAN. AND I THINK THAT THAT POTENTIALLY CREATES A DUE PROCESS PROBLEM. AND I WOULD IN CONCLUSION, I WOULD JUST SAY THIS I'VE BEEN IN THE ZONING WORLD 35 YEARS. I'VE SEEN A LOT OF IT. I'VE BEEN IN THE LAST EIGHT YEARS IN PRIVATE PRACTICE, BUT I'VE N NEVER BEE HERE BEFOR.

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ACCORDING TO MY ANALYSIS, IT WOULD NEED AN SCP, DEPENDING UPON WHETHER IT'S CLASSIFIED AS ATHLETIC OR COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT. SO. RIGHT. RIGHT NOW IT'S BEEN CLASSIFIED AS INSIDE COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT. OKAY, THEN THAT IS PERMITTED BY RIGHT. THAT'S PERMITTED BY RIGHT. YEAH.

I HADN'T CLEARED THAT WITH YOU YET. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. AND HELLO, DOROTHY ZIMMERMAN. YES, I'M DOROTHY ZIMMERMAN. I AM NOT A BUSINESS OWNER AND KIND OF NEED YOUR ADDRESS. SORRY. OH 4802 VERACRUZ GARLAND, TEXAS 75043. THANK YOU. YES, WE'VE LIVED THERE SINCE.

WELL, WE LIVED DOWN THE STREET AT HUDSON FOR. WE MOVED TO GARLAND IN 1978. I'VE ALWAYS LOVED GARLAND. I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT IT WAS A REALLY NICE PLACE. WHEN I STARTED SEEING THE GREEN SIGNS GOING UP, THAT WAS REZONING, I. IT WAS LIKE, WHAT WOULD THEY MAKE IT? WHAT WOULD THEY MAKE IT? AND THEN I COME HERE AND I'VE TRIED. THIS IS MY THIRD MEETING TO TRY AND GET TO THIS QUESTION. SO I GUESS I'M A LITTLE BIT MORE TENACIOUS THAN MOST. BUT AT THIS POINT THEN ALL OF THE TERMINOLOGY THE YOU ARE THE LCR, I YOU ARE UB SITTING HERE AS A CITIZEN, I HAVE NOT THE SLIGHTEST CLUE WHAT ANY OF THAT MEANT. AS FAR AS ANYTHING, ANYWHERE THAT I COULD HAVE LOOKED IT UP TO SEE IT, TO KNOW IT, TO FIND IT SO THAT I COULD HAVE BEEN INFORMED. YOU GUYS ARE SHOOTING IN THE DARK HERE, AND I'M AFRAID THAT YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO HIT A LOT, A LOT OF PEOPLE. MY NEIGHBORS DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE REZONING. I WAS THE ONE WHO TOLD HIM ABOUT IT. NOW, AT THIS POINT THEY SAID, WELL, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN, LET ME KNOW. WELL, OKAY, FINE. I'M HERE TO SAY WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. YOU ARE VERSUS A UB.

MIGHT AS WELL BE COSMIC HERE. I HAVE NO EARTHLY CLUE WHAT THAT MEANS. ALL OF THE BUSINESSES THAT HAVE COME TO SPEAK. IF YOU'RE RUNNING AWAY BUSINESS, YOU MIGHT AS WELL RUN AWAY THE PEOPLE TOO. BECAUSE AS FAR AS CITIZEN, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO GO SOMEPLACE THAT'S GOING TO BE SO CROWDED. THE IDEA OF BRINGING FAMILIES INTO A SITUATION THAT HAS A STORE ON THE BOTTOM OR A STORE ON THE TOP, YOU'RE BRINGING CITIZENS INTO A SITUATION WHICH MAY OR MAY NOT BE FRIENDLY TO CHILDREN, ELDERLY PEOPLE WHO HAVE SPECIAL NEEDS. LOTS OF TIMES, IF THEY CAN HAVE A HOUSE AWAY FROM BUSINESS, YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT STRANGERS IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD IF YOU'RE BRINGING THEM IN, AND IT'S ONLY GOING TO BE MOM AND DAD. THERE'S WAIT A MINUTE, JUST HUSBAND AND WIFE. NO MOM OR DAD BECAUSE THERE'S NO CHILDREN. OKAY, FINE. BUT EVEN STILL, A WOMAN COMING HOME LATE AT NIGHT THAT HAS TO GO PAST A STOREFRONT TO GET TO HER FRONT DOOR. OR SOMEBODY WHO'S GOING TO BE SITTING AROUND WAITING FOR SOMETHING. IT'S WONDERFUL. IF WE LIVED IN A WONDERFUL, CLEAN, GREAT NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT I'VE NOTICED ON OCCASION THAT THE HOMELESS ARE IN GARLAND, NO MATTER HOW HARD WE TRY TO PUSH THEM ACROSS THE FREEWAY. SO NO, WE NEED TO DO WE NEED TO LET THIS BE SOMETHING THAT GOES TO AT LEAST THREE CITY MEETINGS THAT ARE NOT CANCELED, AND SEE ABOUT GETTING A LITTLE BIT MORE OF INPUT FROM THE CITIZENRY.

BECAUSE I'VE LIVED HERE SINCE 1978 AND I AM NOT PLEASED. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING DOWN. THAT WAS MY LAST SPEAKER CARD. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO CARES TO. WELL, GENTLEMEN, YOU COME DOWN AND YOU CAN BE ON DECK HERE. OH NO, YOU CAN COME ON DOWN AND BE ON DECK AND BE NEXT. IT'S MY BASEBALL TERMINOLOGY. HELLO, MY NAME IS LARRY SMITH, 6405 FOREST LANE, DALLAS, TEXAS. I OWN THE PROPERTY AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF SHILOH AND KINGSLEY, 3110 SOUTH SHILOH. THERE'S A DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANT BUILDING

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GOOD EVENING I'M JUDY FORD I LIVE AT 2027 TOWN COURT HERE IN GARLAND. THAT IS THE TOWN GATE HOME OWNERS ASSOCIATION, WHICH IS DIRECTLY AND ADJACENT TO THE EAST BORDER. I SAW YOUR RESPONSE. YES, YOU SAW MY RESPONSES. OKAY, SO BUT MY QUESTION IS, WHEN I MOVED HERE IN 1987, THE. THE CARMAX, WHICH WAS THE WET AND WILD OR THE WHITEWATER, THAT WAS ACTUALLY A 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN, AND I HAD TO HAVE FLOOD INSURANCE ON MY HOUSE. AND THERE'S A BIG CREEK RUNNING THROUGH THERE ALONG THE EAST SIDE BETWEEN THE HOMEOWNERS AND THE PROPOSED ZONING AREA.

WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH THAT CREEK? WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH ALL THAT WATER? IS THERE A PLAN TO DIVERT ALL THE WATER THAT GOES THROUGH THAT CREEK?K? ARE YOU GOING TO BUILD ALL THE WAY UP TO THE EDGE OF THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION? ARE YOU GOING TO PUT A FIVE STORY APARTMENT BUILDING NEXT TO US SO THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR WINDOWS, WE'RE LOOKING AT A BUILDING? WHAT ABOUT THE FLOOD ZONE? TELL ME ABOUT THE FLOOD ZONE. IS IT STILL A FLOOD ZONE? IF AN AREA IS IN A FLOOD ZONE OR FLOODWAY OR FEMA FLOODPLAIN, OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT LOOKS AT DEVELOPMENT PLANS AND THEY JUST THEY WOULD NOT REALLY PUT IN SOMETHING. AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW HISTORICALLY HOW IT WORKED, BUT RIGHT NOW OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT IS VERY DILIGENT ON LOOKING INTO THOSE FLOODPLAIN AND FLOOD WAYS AND MAKING SURE THINGS ARE BEING CONSIDERED FOR DRAINAGE PERSPECTIVE AND ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS THAT THEY IMPACT. BECAUSE THERE IS NO DEVELOPMENT PLAN RIGHT NOW. I CAN'T SPEAK DIRECTLY ABOUT THAT, BUT JUST OUR STANDARDS, THE TECHNICAL MANUALS THAT WE HAVE THAT ADDRESS THOSE MATTERS REALLY TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION ALL THE FLOODPLAIN MATTERS. AND TO YOUR SECOND QUESTION, NO, IN THE YOU ARE OR UB DISTRICT, YOU WILL SEE THERE IS A REQUIREMENT FOR RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY SLOPE, WHICH MEANS IF A PROJECT IS COMING UP THAT IS RIGHT NEXT TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT THERE THEY'RE ALLOWED TO GO UP TO 35FT, BUT AFTER THAT THEY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH A 45 DEGREE SLOPE DRAWN FROM THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LINE. SO THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO JUST PUT A FIVE STORY TALL BUILDING RIGHT NEXT TO YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE. OKAY. THANK YOU. I CAN GIVE YOU A LITTLE PERSPECTIVE ON THE ENGINEERING. I LIVE ALONG THE CREEK IN NORTH GARLAND, AND THEY DEVELOPED THE HOMES IN THE NORTH SIDE OF THE CREEK. WHEN IT CAME TO DEVELOPING THE SOUTH SIDE, SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE DILIGENCE OF HER ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. THEY MADE THEM STOP FOR A YEAR AND A HALF, STUDIED THAT WHOLE CREEK ALONG THE WHOLE SUBDIVISION, GOING INTO RICHARDSON AND EVERYTHING, AND COMPLETELY REANALYZED. SO I DON'T KNOW THE SITUATION THERE, BUT IF THERE'S AN ISSUE AND SOMETHING'S BEING DEVELOPED THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT THE

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AT LEAST YOU WENT BEHIND THE POLE. NO, I SAW YOU ON THE CARD. HI, I'M MARTHA AT 1622 CHARLOTTE DRIVE ON GARLAND, 75041. I WANT TO ECHO WHAT EVERYONE ELSE HAS SAID HERE, THAT I AM COMPLETELY CONFUSED. AND I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. THE LAWYER THAT WAS SPEAKING EARLIER IS CONFUSED, WHICH I THINK SPEAKS SPEAKS VOLUMES FOR EVERYONE ELSE. IF HE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON, THERE'S NO WAY THAT THE RESIDENTS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD COULD UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE WEREN'T ANY MEETINGS THAT SHOULD HAVE TAKEN PLACE. SO I THINK THERE SHOULD BE MEETINGS, AND THERE SHOULD BE MORE NOTICES THAT WERE SENT OUT TO RESIDENTS. YOU MENTIONED EARLIER THAT THERE WAS LETTERS SENT OUT. I NEVER RECEIVED ANYTHING, AND I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHAT ANYBODY ELSE RECEIVED HERE, BUT I HAVE NO CLUE WHAT'S GOING ON. BUT I DO OWN A PROPERTY, SO I KNOW THAT IT AFFECTS ME. SO I THINK THAT THIS SHOULD MAYBE BE PAUSED AND RECONSIDERED TO ALLOW RESIDENTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO EDUCATE THEMSELVES BEFORE SOMETHING HAPPENS. ALSO, APARTMENT COMPLEXES BRING CRIME AND THERE'S ALREADY A LOT OF CRIME IN THE AREA. THERE'S A LOT OF HOMELESS PEOPLE, AND THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED FIRST AND FOREMOST. THOSE MOTELS ARE AWFUL AS WELL. IF YOU WERE JUST GETTING RID OF THE MOTELS, I'D SAY YES, LET'S DO IT. BUT THAT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE WHAT'S HAPPENING. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING DOWN. HI, I'M TYLER WILLIAMS. I LIVE AT 18 ZERO SIX CHARLESTON DRIVE. WHAT I WANT TO DO IS JUST ECHO WHAT THE PREVIOUS PERSON JUST JUST TALKED ABOUT. I LIVE RIGHT HERE, VERY CLOSE TO WHERE ALL OF THIS IS GOING. AND I DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT UNTIL I GET A PAPER ON MY DOOR SAYING, HEY, THERE'S A ZONING THING GOING ON HERE. AND SO I MY ONE OF MY QUESTIONS IS, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF I RECEIVED ONE OF THOSE LETTERS. I MEAN, I DO GET A LOT OF JUNK MAIL, SO I DON'T KNOW IF MAYBE I DIDN'T SEE IT, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I'M INTERESTED IN KNOWING AND I'LL GIVE A SECOND FOR YOU TO RESPOND. IT LOOKS LIKE I CAN RESPOND TO THAT. STATE LAW REQUIRES THAT THE CITY NOTIFY WITHIN 200FT OF THE PERIMETER OF ANY ZONING CHANGE. CITY OF GARLAND HAS DOUBLED THAT TO 400FT. AND WE ALSO PUT OUT SIGNS, BIG UGLY GREEN SIGNS. I HAD A HAND IN PICKING A COLOR THAT WOULD SHOW, BUT BIG GREEN SIGNS TO KIND OF NOTIFY YOU. SO IF YOU'RE OUTSIDE THAT 400 FOOT, NO, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN A LETTER. OKAY. I DON'T KNOW IF MY, MY I DON'T I DON'T KNOW YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WE DON'T MEASURE FEET TOO OFTEN. AND ANYBODY WHO'S RENTING BLOCKS AWAY, ANYBODY WHO'S RENTING WOULDN'T GET A LETTER. THEIR LANDLORD WOULD GET A LETTER, EXCEPT THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE RENTING. THEY WERE NOTIFIED. I'M THE HOMEOWNER. THEY'RE OKAY. BUT YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO JUST ECHO THE CONCERNS. YOU KNOW, IT IS. YOU KNOW, I DID. WHENEVER I GOT IT, I LOOKED UP A LOT OF THE INFORMATION TRYING TO FIND OUT WHAT'S WHAT'S THE PLAN IN PLACE.

AND SO I JUST DO WISH THAT WERE THERE WERE MORE TIME TO, TO GO OVER ALL THESE THINGS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YEAH. WELCOME. HI. MY NAME IS JAY TAYLOR. 2018 TOWN PLACE, GARLAND, TEXAS 75041. MY NEIGHBORHOOD IS PRETTY WELL REPRESENTED HERE BECAUSE WE ARE SURROUNDED ON EVERY SIDE BY THIS ENTIRE PROPOSAL. WE HAVE ALL OF NORTHWEST HIGHWAY. WE HAVE. YOU

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WHAT? I GOT THE FIRST ONE A MONTH AGO. AND THEN I GOT ANOTHER ONE THIS WEEK. AND THEN WE'RE VOTING ON IT LIKE, THAT'S SUPER FAST FOR SUCH A LARGE A LARGE CHANGE TO OUR DISTRICT, BECAUSE I WANT UPGRADES. NORTH GARLAND'S BEEN GETTING EVERYTHING FOR YEARS. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE GREAT THINGS HAPPEN, BUT THIS IS SEEMS SO HAPHAZARD WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT WE'RE AGREEING TO. YEAH, AND JUST TO REMIND EVERYBODY, WE'RE ONLY AN ADVISORY BODY. THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD TAKE THE LAST POSITION ON IT. I DON'T KNOW WHEN IT WOULD GO TO THEM. AND THEY ALWAYS HAVE THE ABILITY TO TOSS IT BACK TO US. SO IT'S NOT A DONE DEAL. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH.

THANK YOU. RIGHT NOW I WOULD SAY AGAINST BECAUSE IT'S JUST TOO UNCERTAIN. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE AGREEING TO. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT OKAY I'M LOOKING ALL RIGHT. HI. MY NAME IS LAURA LEE GUN. I AM 33, 33 WOBURN STREET. AND I JUST HAVE BASICALLY ONE SIMPLE QUESTION TO KIND OF REITERATE WHAT EVERYONE ELSE IS SAYING. IF THERE IS NO PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHAT IS THE RUSH FOR THE CITY? THANK YOU, THANK YOU. SO GENTLEMEN, START TO GET UP. LADY BEAT YOU TO IT.

MY NAME IS CHARLES KILLIAN. I'VE LIVED IN GARLAND FOR 85 YEARS. I'VE SEEN IT COME FROM A POPULATION OF 6000 PEOPLE. I LIVE IN AN AREA WHICH WAS COTTON FIELDS. I LIVED AT 1601 MAYFIELD. I FORGOT TO GIVE YOU. I'M NOT A GOOD SPEAKER, BUT THE THING THAT CONCERNS ME, I KNOW THE BUSINESSES ARE IMPORTANT, BUT IN THE AERNOONS, IN THE MORNINGS WHEN THE SCHOOL IS STARTING OR LETTING OUT THE TRAFFIC DOWN SATURN ROAD, I MEAN, PARDON ME, DOWN. MAYFIELD EXTENDS ALL THE WAY DOWN TO SATURN, AND IN JACKSON IT CROSSES RIGHT THERE. IT'S 10 TO 15 CARS AND THEY BLOCK THE STREET. AND MY CONCERN IS THE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS, YOU KNOW, REAL CLOSE. THEY AT SHILOH AND KINGSLEY PROBABLY WOULD NOT AFFECT US. BUT THERE'S A LOT AT AT THE THAT USED TO BE A DART LOT RIGHT BIDE ALDI'S. I DON'T KNOW IF THE CITY OWNS IT OR WHAT, BUT IF IT'S ZONED FOR MULTIFAMILY AND HIGH RISES LATER ON, THAT COULD ALSO BE DEVELOPED INTO THAT. AND THEN THE SCHOOLS WOULD BE TERRIBLE. SO THAT'S JUST WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT.

AND LIKE I SAID, I'VE JUST BEEN HERE A LONG TIME AND I JUST HAD TO SAY SOMETHING. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. YOU'VE SEEN A LITTLE BIT OF CHANGE OVER THE YEARS. YES. ANYBODY ELSE? I SEE NO OTHER SPEAKERS. COMMISSION CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. OH, ONE MORE SPEAKER. OKAY, I MOVE QUICKLY. GOT US. GOT TO SPEAK UP. GOOD EVENING. HOW Y'ALL DOING? GOD

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ALRIGHTY. ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY, I'LL GO AGAIN IF YOU'D LIKE. THAT'S OKAY. NO, WE ONLY GET ONE BITE AT THE APPLE HERE, MR. CHAIRMAN. COMMISSIONER. WELL, COMMISSIONER ROSE HAD CLICKED IN, SO I HAVE A QUESTION OF STAFF. WHY IS THE STAFF EVEN CONSIDERING DOING THIS PROCESS? WHAT DO YOU WANT? TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN GO INTO DISCUSSION AND ASK THAT? NO. NOT NECESSARILY. ALRIGHTY. NUMBER TWO QUESTION IS HOW MANY MEETINGS HAVE YOU HAD WITH ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND OR TENANTS IN THIS AREA PRIOR TO THIS MEETING? TWO QUESTIONS.

I'LL TAKE THE LAST ONE. FIRST, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY COMMUNITY MEETING, BUT WE HAVE ESTABLISHED ON OUR WEBSITE INFORMATION ABOUT THIS PROJECT AND. AND OUR CONTACT INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE ONLINE. SO WE HAVE STAFF HAS TALKED TO MANY, MANY PEOPLE. ANYONE WHO HAD QUESTIONS, WE HAVE TAKEN THOSE CALLS, EMAILS AND WE HAVE ANSWERED THOSE QUESTIONS. THE FIRST QUESTION, WHY IS THIS BEING INITIATED AS PRESENTED DURING THE PRESENTATION? THIS HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED IN MANY OF THE PLANS AND STUDIES THAT THE CITY HAD DONE IN THE PAST. AND THIS REZONING IS EFFORT IS COMING OUT OF THOSE PLANS. SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU HAVE HEARD FROM SOME OF THE OWNERS OR TENANTS IN THAT AREA, YOU HAVE TALKED TO MANY PEOPLE OVER THE LAST ONE MONTHS.

YES. IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE IT, BUT THANKS. ALRIGHTY. CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. MR. CHAIR, COMMISSIONER JENKINS MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, SECOND AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DALTON. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER JENKINS TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DALTON. AND THIS IS TO CLOSE OF PUBLIC HEARING ONLY. ALL RIGHTY.

AND WE ARE NOW IN DISCUSSION MODE THAT PASSED UNANIMOUSLY. ANYBODY WANT TO START COMMISSIONER PARIS THEN COMMISSIONER ROSE I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. JUST ON JUST A BIT OF LIKE THE NEXT STEPS. SO AND OF COURSE STAFF OR JUST IN GENERAL, BECAUSE THERE'S SEVERAL COMMISSIONERS THAT'S BEEN ON THIS BOARD FOR OVER WELL OVER TEN PLUS YEARS. AND SO IN GENERAL, WHEN YOU HAVE AND I'VE BEEN ON HERE, WHAT, FOUR, 4 OR 5 YEARS, BUT IN WHEN THERE'S A SITUATION WHERE THERE'S A ASK FOR COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT, WHAT IS THE NEXT WHAT IS THE NEXT STEPS THERE IN TERMS OF ADDRESSING THAT? WHAT HAS BEEN I KNOW WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENED WHEN IT IS A AN ACTUAL LAND, YOU KNOW, LAND CASE. BUT IN THIS SITUATION, I HAVEN'T SEEN THIS COME ACROSS. WHAT IS WHAT ARE SOME THOUGHTS. AND I SEE THE CHAIRMAN IS ALSO SHAKING HIS HEAD. SO JUST WANT TO I HAVEN'T SEEN A CASE LIKE THIS RIGHT. YEAH. SO I JUST I WANT TO ASK THAT BECAUSE I WANT TO GIVE PERSPECTIVE TO THE AUDIENCE AS WELL, AS WELL AS JUST KIND OF A

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WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO HAVING MEETGS. IT'S JUST WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. AGAIN, WHEN THOSE MEETINGS HAPPEN, THOSE ARE IN RELATION TO A PARTICULAR PROJECT. SO THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS TO TALK ABOUT IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE. IT IS A PRETTY I MEAN, YES, IT'S LOADED.

IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION FOR ANYONE TO DIGEST AND UNDERSTAND AND INTERNALIZE, BUT THE MEAT OF IT IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. IT IS TO GO FROM ZONING DISTRICTS. THAT CURRENTLY ALLOWS A LOT OF DIFFERENT USES THAT I MEAN, THEY CAN STILL CONTINUE OPERATING, BUT THERE COULD BE OTHER USES COMING IN TODAY THAT THOSE DISTRICTS WILL ALLOW BY. RIGHT. FOR EXAMPLE, INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT WILL ALLOW A LOT OF DIFFERENT INTENSE USES THAT I'M SURE THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULDN'T APPRECIATE. WHICH AS OPPOSED TO IF WE GO TO URBAN BUSINESS AND URBAN RESIDENTIAL, THOSE USES ARE GOING TO BE RESTRICTED. SO THAT'S TRULY THE GIST OF IT. SO THAT IS THE REASON WE DON'T REALLY. HOW A MEETING WILL BE EFFECTIVE IN THIS REGARD. TIME. SO THE QUESTION ONE QUESTION ON THE TIMING OF THIS. LIKE DOES IT HAVE TO BE SO SOON IF THERE'S NOT AN ACTIVE PROJECT? SO IF YOU CAN ADDRESS THAT, THAT ONE AS WELL. I CANNOT ADDRESS THAT ONE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ADDRESS THAT QUESTION. OH ANDY. OH OKAY. GO AHEAD. YEAH. ANDY HESTER, ONE OF THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGERS. WITHOUT A DOUBT. THIS IS A LARGE UNDERTAKING AND A LARGE CITY INITIATED REZONING.

AND AS NABILA WAS POINTING OUT IN THE PRESENTATION, WHEN THE CITY IS LOOKING AT WAYS TO REVITALIZE ITSELF, REDEVELOP ITSELF AS A BUILT OUT CITY THAT IS AGING IN INFRASTRUCTURE, LACKING IN AMENITIES, WE'VE HAD STUDY AFTER STUDY AFTER STUDY, MANY OF WHICH INCLUDED PUBLIC INPUT CITYWIDE IN GENERAL. AND SO THE REQUEST WE HEAR FROM CITIZENS ALL THE TIME, WELL, WE DON'T HAVE THIS. WE DON'T HAVE OF THAT. WHAT ABOUT THIS? WHAT ALL THE THINGS I HEARD TONIGHT GENERALLY SHOULD BE ADDRESSED IN A DEVELOPMENT PROJECT IN THIS AREA. THE CHALLENGE IN THIS DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW IS THIS THIS AREA IS INTENDED TO BE AND THEREFORE THAT'S THE ACQUISITION OF THE 51 ACRES THAT IS CURRENTLY UNDER THE ECONOMIC FOUNDATION FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS THAT THIS AREA IS INTENDED TO BE A DESTINATION. IT DRIVES ENTERTAINMENT OPTIONS, IT DRIVES OTHER REVENUE STREAMS THAT THAT WILL HELP THE CITY CONTINUE BY ITS CHOICES OF LAND USES TO PROVIDE THE SERVICES CITYWIDE. IF WE DON'T LOOK FOR WAYS TO REINVEST IN OUR COMMUNITY, IT IS GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT TO IMPROVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND IMPROVE THE SERVICES. WE ALL KNOW THINGS HAVEN'T GOTTEN CHEAPER AND WHO KNOWS WHEN THAT'S PART OF THE ISSUE. SO WHEN IT COMES TO THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS, IT'S NOT ENTIRELY ACCURATE TO SAY THAT THERE'S NOT A DEVELOPMENT. WE TALK WITH DEVELOPERS ALL THE TIME. THE FIRST THREE THINGS THEY ASK IS WHAT'S THE POLITICS, WHAT'S THE UTILITIES AND WHAT'S THE ZONING. AND SO IN IN A IN A CASE LIKE THIS, THE ZONING DOES TWO THINGS FOR US. IT DEFINES WHAT LAND USES WE THINK ARE THE MOST BENEFICIAL FOR THE CITY IN THE FUTURE. AND IT DEFINES WHAT LAND USES ARE NOT BENEFICIAL TO THE CITY IN THE FUTURE. SO THERE ARE ONGOING DISCUSSIONS WITH DEVELOPERS ALL THE TIME ABOUT EVERY BUILDING OPPORTUNITY WITHIN THE CITY. THIS IS ONE OF THE LARGEST, IF NOT THE LARGEST, OPPORTUNITIES WE HAVE TO CREATE A DESTINATION THAT PEOPLE CAN BE PROUD OF, BE EXCITED ABOUT AND, YOU KNOW, ENJOY LOCALLY AND FROM VISITORS FROM OUTSIDE OF TOWN. SO I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION A LITTLE BIT. THIS IS ABOUT RIGHT, PROVIDING KIND OF A FERTILE GROUND FOR DEVELOPER TO KNOW THAT, THAT WE ARE RECEPTIVE AND OPEN TO IDEAS. BUT THAT FIRST STEP, THAT GROUNDWORK THAT SAYS WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO BRING SOMETHING HERE. THIS IS ONE LESS STEP THAT WILL TURN THEM AWAY. THANK YESHIVA. GOOD. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER ROSE,

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THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER CORNELIUS. I AGREE. I'M I'M REALLY BOTHERED BY THE AMOUNT OF TIME IF SOMEONE IS SAYING THAT THEY RECEIVED A NOTIFICATION A MONTH AGO. I MEAN, I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ENOUGH TIME FOR FOLK TO REALLY GRASP AND UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT'S HAPPENING. SO I'M REALLY I'M BOTHERED BY THAT. AND I, I'M, I'M CONFLICTED ON HOW TO VOTE BECAUSE OF THAT. I JUST THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE TIME. AND IF THERE IS A WAY FOR US TO SAY, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S A TOWN HALL OR SOMETHING THAT WE COULD SUGGEST WHERE MORE PEOPLE COULD GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THEM. I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD DO. ALRIGHTY. I DON'T SEE ANYBODY ELSE RIGHT NOW, BUT THIS IS A CASE THAT I THINK IN MY WHOLE CAREER PROBABLY SPENT MORE TIME IN THIS ONE THAN ANY OF THE OTHERS. AND I'M IN THE BUSINESS AND I'VE ALSO TAUGHT ZONING CLASSES. SO, YOU KNOW, I WENT THROUGH ALL THE USES AND URBAN RESIDENTIAL. I DID MY RESEARCH ON GOOGLE MAPS AND OTHER STUFF, AND I FOUND 42 THAT WOULD BE NOT ALLOWED OR SUPS OR WHATEVER. 42 BUSINESSES AND BUSINESSES AREN'T JUST WE TALK ABOUT CITIZENS. THESE ARE CITIZEN BUSINESSES. SO AND ONE OF THE BIG WORDS I'VE HEARD IS UNCERTAINTY. AND WE NEED TO LIMIT THAT SOMEHOW. AND AS SOME OF YOU ARE TALKING, I'M THINKING IF WE COULD DO THIS MORE SURGICALLY INSTEAD OF CUTTING OUT THE WHOLE THING A LITTLE BIT AT A TIME SURGICALLY, MAYBE SOME FOLKS MAY SAY, YEAH, CHANGE IT. THAT WILL INCREASE THE VALUE OF MY PROPERTY. DOESN'T MEAN EVERY BUSINESS DOESN'T WANT IT, BUT IT MIGHT HELP THEM OUT TO VALUE THE PROPERTY AND GIVE A LITTLE HISTORY. WE DID SOMETHING LIKE THIS IN THE LATE 80S, EARLY 90S.

I CHAIRED NORTH AREA PLANNING COMMITTEE. WE DID THE OVERLAY ZONING FOR 190 BEFORE IT WAS BUILT BECAUSE WE ENVISIONED ANOTHER LAST CLEANNESS OUT HERE. WE HAD ALL THE RULES AND WE DID WHAT YOU'RE DOING. WE'RE WE LAID THE GROUNDWORK AND THIS WAS VACANT LAND WE DIDN'T IMPOSE ON EXISTING BUSINESSES. WE CREATED THE VISION, BUT THE MARKET WASN'T THERE AND THE MARKET NEVER CAME. I THINK WE CAN DO THIS ONLY BETTER. AND MY INCLINATION NOW WOULD BE VOTE TO DENY WITH THE SUGGESTION THAT THE COUNCIL KICK IT BACK AND HAVE EVERYBODY LOOK AT IT A LITTLE CLOSER AND MAYBE PUT TOGETHER SOME MEETINGS. AND I KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT IN DOWNTOWN. I WAS ON HALF OF THOSE COMMITTEES FOR 25 YEARS TO REVIEW THE DOWNTOWN PLANS. AND AGAIN, THE MARKET WASN'T THERE. AND WHEN WE DID THE MARKET, WHEN GARLAND DID DO THE STUFF, THEY DID IT BY BUYING THE LAND, WORKING WITH DEVELOPERS. THEY DIDN'T GO AND KICK ANYBODY OUT TO DO IT. EVEN WHEN WE REZONED ALL OF DOWNTOWN, THERE WAS A BIG DEAL ABOUT THE AUTOS AND WE PROVIDED INCENTIVES FOR THEM, A POINT SYSTEM OR SOMETHING. IT DIDN'T WORK THAT WELL, BUT IT WAS AN ATTEMPT. INSTEAD OF JUST TAKING THEIR RIGHTS AWAY AUTOMATICALLY. SO I, I, I DID READ ALL THE COMMENTS AND EVERYTHING, AND THERE WAS A LETTER, ONE LINE IN ONE OF THE

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COMMISSIONER DUCKWORTH AND COMMISSIONER ROSE. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY THAT CAME TONIGHT. AND I HEAR YOU DID THAT FOR ME. THANK YOU. GOOD. I'VE HEARD I'VE HEARD YOUR STORY. AND I'M CONCERNED MANY OF THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN MENTIONED HERE, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT AND I APPRECIATE YOU COMING AND VOICING THAT YOUR CONCERNS WITH US TONIGHT AND I HAVE I HAVE HEARD YOU AND WHAT THE CHAIRMAN HAS JUST RECOMMENDED, I MOST LIKELY WILL AGREE WITH THAT, THAT I THINK I THINK WE NEED TO REANALYZE AND LOOK AT THIS A LITTLE DEEPER. I THINK I THINK WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO EVENTUALLY IS GOING TO BE GOOD FOR ALL OF US, BUT WE'VE GOT TO GET THE GUYS WITH THE WITH THE KNOWLEDGE ALL IN THE SAME ROOM, SO WE CAN BEAT EACH OTHER UP TILL WE GET TO THE SAME ANSWER. YOU KNOW, ARGUING IS NOT A BAD THING TO DO, OR DISCUSSING IS NOT A BAD THING TO DO, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO GET TO THAT POINT AND HAVE A LOT OF HARD DISCUSSION. AND I WOULD PROPOSE DENYING THIS WITH THE EXACT PURPOSE OF DOING MORE STUDY AND RESEARCH AND GETTING SOME OF THESE, THESE FOLKS IN A ROOM AND TAKE SOME NOTES ON HOW WE CAN REACH THE POINT THAT WE'RE ALL LOOKING TO SO THAT WE'RE ALL HAPPY WHEN WE GET THERE. IS THAT IN THE FORM OF A MOTION? YES, SIR. SECOND EMOTION. WELL. A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DUCKWORTH AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CORNELIUS THAT I HEARD. AND WE STILL HAVE SPEAKERS HERE. THEY'RE DISAPPEARING ON ME. COMMISSIONER DALTON. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS, FOR US BEING ON THE SAME PAGE. AND I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM FOR COMING DOWN. YOU ARE WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT. YOU ARE WHAT THIS CITY IS ALL ABOUT. WE GATHER INFORMATION HERE AND PASS IT ON. SO I APPRECIATE EVERY ONE OF YOU. EVERYBODY'S TAKEN AWAY MY THUNDER TO APPRECIATE HIM. BUT YOU'RE. YOU'RE DOING A BETTER JOB THAN I WOULD A COMMISSIONER. JENKINS, YOU'VE KIND OF BEEN ON AND OFF, COMMISSIONER ROSE.

COMMISSIONER JENKINS GOING TO SPEAK? NO, NO, I'LL LET THE MOTION TAKE. OKAY. MY CONCERN IS I SUPPORT THE MOTION. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HOW WE CAN ADD TO IT THAT THE STAFF DOES NOT SEND OUT LETTERS TO ALL THE OWNERS AND WHATNOT, BUT THEY, IN FACT, HAVE SET UP MEETINGS SOMEWHERE WHERE THE PEOPLE THAT OWN THE PROPERTY THAT HAVE THE BUSINESSES WILL SHOW UP, AND IF THEY DON'T SHOW UP, THEN IT'S THE OWNERS AND THE PROPERTY OWNER'S FAULT. BUT BUT BY MAILING STUFF, IT MAY OR MAY NOT GET THERE. I JUST THINK IT NEEDS TO BE PERSONAL AS OPPOSED TO LETTER WISE. YEAH, THAT'S A RECOMMENDATION. THAT'S NOT A LEGAL REQUIREMENT. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND, BUT OKAY. AM I CORRECT ON THAT, SIR. YEAH OF COURSE. WELL, THE STATE LAW AND CITY ORDINANCE REQUIRES LETTERS TO GO OUT TO CERTAIN PEOPLE. AND SO WE CAN'T WE CAN'T NOT DO THE LETTERS. YEAH. YEAH. ALSO HAVE MEETINGS. NO, I WAS JUST I JUST WANTED I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY.

WE CAN'T NOT DO THE LETTERS. YEAH. TAILGATE COMMUNITY AS A GROUP. EXCUSE ME. YEAH.

COMMISSIONER PARISH, I JUST WANT TO BE SURE THAT I HAVE CLARITY. COMMISSIONER ROSE, ARE YOU ASKING TO AMEND THE MOTION BY INCLUDING A COMMUNITY MEETING HAS TO HAPPEN? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE STATING? I JUST WANT TO BE SURE I UNDERSTAND THE MOTION. AND IF THERE'S AN AMENDMENT, THE WRITING OF LETTERS TO HAVE THE MEETINGS, IF THAT CAN BE AN AMENDMENT, THAT'S GREAT. IF NOT, THEN WE JUST NEED TO PROCEED WITH THAT. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY CLARITY. IF YOU WERE WELL, I THINK WHAT I'M VOTING ON IS ALL I'M GOING TO ASK. I THINK THE MOTION WAS IN GENERAL TO DENY WITH A RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY PUT MORE LOOK AT IT A DIFFERENT WAY, PUT MORE EFFORT IN, WHICH COULD INCLUDE ALL OF THIS. AND COUNSEL. SOME ARE LISTENING NOW AND SOME WILL BE LISTENING LATER. AND THE YOU KNOW, THEY'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE HOURS THEY NEED TO KILL LISTENING TO US. BUT I THINK THEY'LL GET THE INPUT FROM EVERYBODY. THANK YOU. OKAY.

COMMISSIONER DUCKWORTH, I DON'T WANT TO LEAVE STAFF OUT OF THIS. I THINK STAFF IS HAS HAS DONE A GREAT JOB IN BRINGING US TO THIS THIS POINT. I'M SORRY WE HAVE TO DENY, BUT I THINK AGAIN, THIS IS PART OF PROGRESS. AND I APPRECIATE STAFF'S EFFORTS TO BRING US TO THIS POINT FOR THE

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SO. AND IT IS. I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY STAYING UP TILL 1012. SO AS OF NOW, OUR IN OUR NEXT MEETING IS MAY 20TH, JUNE, JUNE, JUNE. THAT'S RIGHT. THE NEXT ONES SECOND MONDAY IN JUNE. WE ARE ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.