* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] AM I HOT? ALL RIGHT. SECTION ABOUT, UM, IT IS 4 48 AND I'M CALLING THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES COMMITTEE MEETING FOR SEPTEMBER 9TH, 2025 TO ORDER. I AM JOINED BY COUNCILMAN BASS. I AM MARGARET, AND WE ALSO HAVE NUMEROUS STAFF MEMBERS WITH US. UM, CAN I GET AN APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING? UH, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. I WILL SECOND THAT. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. THAT IS UNANIMOUS. UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO, PUBLIC COMMENTS. DO WE HAVE ANY, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS TODAY. AGENDA ITEM THREE, A REVIEW SIGN, ORDINANCE UPDATE AND SCOPING DISCUSSION? YES, SCOPING. THANK YOU. UM, SO LAST TIME WHEN WE MET, UH, WE HAD PRESENTED THE IDEAS AND WE GOT REALLY GOOD FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMITTEE ABOUT LIKE THE DIRECTION THAT WE WANNA, UH, MOVE FORWARD WITH. UH, THERE WAS AN ADDITIONAL ITEM THAT ALSO, UM, REFERENCED REVIEW SIGN ORDINANCE, AND IT DID, UH, COME FROM CM DUTTON WITH THIS ITEM ON THIS AGENDA TODAY. WE WANTED TO GET SOME DIRECTION ON WHAT WAS THAT LIKE? WHAT WAS THAT ADDITIONAL, UM, SIGN ORDINANCE REVIEW ABOUT? WHAT DOES THAT ENTAIL? DO HAVE WE ALREADY COVERED IT DURING OUR LAST, UM, DISCUSSION, OR IS THERE AN ADDITIONAL SCOPE THAT IS BEING, UM, LOOKED AT BY THE COMMITTEE? SO THAT, THAT'S ALL THIS ITEM ENTAILS FOR TODAY? OKAY. I, I BELIEVE THE ADDITIONAL SCOPE WAS, UM, REFERRING TO THE CONDITION OF SIGNS AND ALLOWED MATERIALS, AND THAT WAS ALSO IN REFERENCE TO TEMPORARY SIGNAGE. UH, CM DUTTON SENT A COUPLE OF PICTURES AND I WILL SEND THOSE TO YOU. OKAY. UM, SO LOOKING INTO LIKE AN INVENTORY OF EXISTING SIGN AND THEIR CONDITIONS OR, WELL, I THINK IT'S, IF SOMEBODY SEES ONE, GET RID OF IT KIND OF THING, CITE THEM AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY DON'T HAVE ILLEGAL SIGNAGE UP, I BELIEVE IS WHERE THAT WAS GOING. WELL, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF THIS, RIGHT? YOU GOT THE MM-HMM . IS, ARE WE TYING THE HISTORICAL SIGNS INTO THIS TOO, OR NO? WE LOOKING AT NO SE SEPARATELY. OKAY. MM-HMM . OKAY. SO, YEAH, MY ORIGINAL INTENTION OF BRINGING THIS UP WAS, UM, A LOT OF IT WAS BASED UPON, YOU KNOW, HAVING DIFFERENT, UM, DIFFERENT SIGN REQUIREMENTS FOR DOWNTOWN BECAUSE TO PROMOTE PEOPLE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, UNIQUE AND INTERESTING SIGNS DOWNTOWN. AND THEN, YEAH, ACTUALLY MOST OF IT WAS REALLY DOWNTOWN THAT I HAD. UM, AND WE HAD COVERED THAT LAST YEAH, YEAH. DURING THE LAST DISCUSSION. YEAH. I'M TRYING TO SEE WHAT, WHY, WHY WE'RE BRINGING THIS BACK HERE AGAIN. IT WAS THE ADDITIONAL, UM, FROM COUNCILMAN DUTTON. SO THAT'S WHAT WE WANTED TO CONFIRM. I KNOW SHE WASN'T ABLE TO BE HERE. WE DID GET THE EMAIL. AND SO WHAT WE'LL DO IS CONFIRM, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S RELATED TO TEMPORARY SIGNAGE, THEIR MATERIALS, THE DURATION, WHETHER THEY'RE, AND SO WHAT WE'LL DO IS A, A CURRENT ORDINANCE REVIEW IN RELATIONSHIP TO THAT AND THEN SEE IF, IF THAT'S A CODE ISSUE OR IS THAT AN ENFORCEMENT ISSUE OR BOTH? IS THAT MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE WE'RE HEADED? AND SO YOU'D MENTIONED THE, THE CONDITION OF SIGNS, THE MATERIALITY OF SIGNS AND TEMPORARY SIGNAGE. SO CONDITION AND MATERIALS OF TEMPORARY SIGNS OR TEMPORARY SIGNS SEPARATE AND BOTH? BOTH. OH, BOTH. OKAY. YEP. GOT IT. SOUNDS LIKE MORE OF AN INVENTORY CODE COMPLIANCE TYPE MATTER, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL LOOK INTO IT. YEAH, I THINK WE'LL JUST TAKE, TAKE A, TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT THE CU CURRENT CODE SAYS RELATED TO THIS, AND THEN WE CAN FIND SOME EXAMPLES AND THEN WE WILL TALK THROUGH, UM, IF THE CODE IS ADEQUATE FOR COUNCIL'S VISION OR THE COMMITTEE'S VISION, AND THEN IF THE ENFORCEMENT IS ADEQUATE OR BOTH. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. QUESTION, YES, THAT INCLUDE BANNERS, LIKE WALL, WALL BANNERS, LIKE TEMPORARY SIGN. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD IN, I WOULD ASSUME THAT'S TEMPORARY SIGNAGE. 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE PUT UP FOR WHAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME SITUATIONS THAT ARE ALLOWED AND OTHERS THAT ARE NOT. AND SO WE'LL, WE'LL REPORT ON THAT. OKAY, COOL. AND SHOW SOME PHOTO EXAMPLES. OKAY. THANKS. THANK YOU. MORE COMMENTS? OKAY, ITEM THREE B, HISTORICAL SIGNS AND FACADE PROGRAM. WHO'S TALKING ON THAT ONE? I THINK , I'LL JUST HANG OUT UP HERE. [00:05:02] HEY, GOOD AFTERNOON. UM, I THINK WE COVER LAST MEETING, UM, BRIEFLY ABOUT CURRENT FACADE IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM AND GRANT PROGRAM. IF THEY, UH, SIGNAGE IS SIGNIFICANT SIGN, DEFINITELY WE'RE GONNA BE WORKING WITH THE, UH, CULTURAL ART, UM, DEPARTMENT AND THEN SEE THAT IT'S REALLY THE PART OF THE SIGNIFICANT SIGN OR NOT. BUT DEFINITELY WE ARE OPEN OF COURSE, WITH YOUR DIRECTION. UM, DEFINITELY WE LIKE TO SUPPORT AND THEN, UH, PRESERVE THOSE HISTORIC SIGNIFICANT SIGN. SO IF YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL, UM, REPORT OR ANYTHING I NEED TO PUT TOGETHER, I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT. BUT I GUESS, UM, MY QUESTION IS LIKE, WHAT DIRECTION ARE YOU LEANING TOWARDS AS FAR AS PRESERVATION AND, UH, STORAGE MAYBE, OR HOW DO, HOW ARE WE GOING TO GO ABOUT IMPLEMENTING A HISTORIC SIGN PROGRAM SO THAT, YEAH, SO I THINK WHAT WE PROBABLY THE ONE LOOSE END, I'M GONNA PUT SCOTT ON THE SPOT FOR JUST A MINUTE. ONE OF THE LOOSE ENDS THAT I RECALL IN TAKING NOTES IS THAT WE'VE GOT A DESIRE FOR THESE HISTORICAL SIGNS TO BE PRESERVED. AND WHEN THEY ARE REPAIRED, THEY'RE REPAIRED IN AN ORIGINAL WAY. SO YOU GOT A COUPLE OF COURSES OF ACTION AS ONE IS WE COULD GO AND OFFER TO PURCHASE 'EM AND THEN STORE THEM AND DO SOMETHING WITH 'EM AT A LATER TIME. IF FUNDING'S IDENTIFIED, IF I REMEMBER, THE ORDINANCE ALLOWS FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER, THE SIGN OWNER TO WILLINGLY REQUEST IT BEING DESIGNATED AS HISTORICAL. SO THAT AFFORDS THEM SOME PROCESS AND SOME EXEMPTIONS. UM, AND WE WOULD GENERALLY PROBABLY AGREE WITH THAT AND NOT ARGUE WITH THEM. UM, BUT THE OTHER QUESTION CAME ABOUT IS CAN THE CITY DESIGNATE THAT AS HISTORIC AM I'M INCLINED TO THINK THAT THAT'S NOT A LEGAL, UH, TAKING IN ANY WAY. SO I'M GONNA LET SCOTT KIND OF TALK ABOUT THAT. IF WE AS THE CITY GO AND SAY, YOUR SIGN IS HISTORIC, CAN'T TOUCH IT, IS THAT INBOUNDS OR OUTBOUNDS? WHERE CAN WE HAVE IT SO WE CAN ASK IF WE CAN HAVE IT? MM-HMM . UM, THE, YOUR ORDINANCE DOESN'T PROVIDE FOR THE CITY TO, TO BE THE APPLICANT IN THE HISTORIC SIGN DESIGNATION. SO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE THE, THE SIGN OWNER OR THE LANDOWNER TO DO THAT. UM, THE, YOU WOULD, WE CAN'T GO TAKING SIGNS. UNDERSTOOD. THAT WOULD BE A TAKING. UM, AND SO, AND SO WHAT, AND I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW ANDY, WHERE WE ARE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, PROCESS, BUT, UM, I, AND I DON'T, AND I'M ADDING THINGS THAT MAY HAVE NOT BEEN CONSIDERED THUS FAR, BUT, BUT, UM, THE IDEA OF A HISTORIC OVERLAY TO AREAS OF TOWN WHERE WE THINK, UM, IT MIGHT BE WARRANTED WOULD THEN PROVIDE SOME AVENUES FOR, UM, REGULATING WHAT CAN BE DONE IN THOSE, IN THOSE DISTRICTS. IF WE HAVE AN OVERLAY. UM, YOU, YOU, I'M, I'M GONNA TELL YOU THAT I'M NOT AWARE OF A MECHANISM WHILE WHERE WE COULD GO DESIGNATE, UH, A LANDOWNER'S SIGN AS HISTORIC OF OUR OWN ACCORD AND REQUIRE THEM TO DO CERTAIN THINGS WITH IT. UM, UH, I COULD UN I COULD ANTICIPATE SOME ARGUMENTS THAT SOUND LIKE SPOT ZONING IN THAT REGARD. UM, SO, BUT, BUT IF WE WERE TO HAVE AN OVERLAY DISTRICT, THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD CONSIDER. AND OBVIOUSLY ANYTHING VOLUNTARY, UM, IS ALSO ANY, ANY PROGRAMS WE WOULD HAVE TO HELP FACILITATE THE RESTORATION OF THOSE THINGS IF WE WERE TO GIVE, UM, I MEAN, CONDITIONS COULD BE PLACED UPON THE AGREEMENT IN THAT REGARD. MM-HMM . SO I HAD, HAD, HAD ENVISIONED, AND I THINK THE COMP PLAN, THAT'S A GREAT SUGGESTION THAT WE COULD CERTAINLY LOOK AT AND SEE WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT'LL ENTAIL. I, I THINK FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT, OUR APPROACH WAS, IS WE WOULD JUST PROACTIVELY GO AND APPROACH THESE FOLKS AND ASK THEM WHAT THEIR INTEREST AND INTENT IS AND SEE WHERE IT TAKES US. UM, IF THERE'S A COUPLE OF THEM THAT, THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO PART WAYS WITH, WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT AND, AND ACQUIRE THEM AND PROPERLY STORE THEM UNTIL WE HAVE A COOL PLACE TO DISPLAY 'EM AND TURN IT INTO A THING. YEAH, THAT'D BE NEAT. UM, I DO LIKE THE COMP PLAN APPROACH TO WHERE IT MAY JUST BE, YOU KNOW, AND WE CAN GO, I THINK WE KNOW WHERE THESE ARE. MM-HMM. WE CAN GO AND IDENTIFY 'EM AND SEE, AND AGAIN, WORK WITH LEGAL, JUST SEE IF IT MAKES, MAKES SENSE AS A WHAT TYPE OF OVERLAY IT MAY BE, YOU KNOW, VERY, VERY SMALL, YOU KNOW, LIMITED DEFINITION OF WHAT THAT OVERLAY IS. BUT I LIKE THAT IDEA. I DO TOO. UM, AND I'D ALSO JUST LIKE IT TO BE AN ALTERNATIVE FOR ANYONE WHO'S RECEIVED A, [00:10:01] A CODE VIOLATION FOR THEIR SIGN. IF IT'S IN DISREPAIR, UM, DID YOU KNOW THAT WE ARE INTERESTED IN HISTORIC SIGNS? MAYBE WE CAN, YOU KNOW, UH, ATTACK THIS PROBLEM IN A DIFFERENT WAY RATHER THAN JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, FIX IT AND WE LOSE THE SIGN. TOTALLY. OKAY. SO WE WILL WORK ON A PLAN. WE WOULD EXPLORE THE COMP PLAN, UM, BUT IN THE MEANTIME WE'LL JUST KINDA WORK ON A PROACTIVE OUTREACH PLAN AND IDENTIFY EACH OF THESE, UH, SIGNS WITH AND THEIR ADDRESSES. THAT WOULD BE AWESOME. OKAY. SO THE STARTING POINT IS, RIGHT NOW, I BELIEVE THERE IS A 12 SIGNIFICANT SIGNS IDENTIFIED. I BELIEVE SO THOSE THE ONE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT FIRST AS A FIRST STEP. CORRECT. OKAY. AND I DON'T KNOW, IS THE PLAZA A DESIGNATED HISTORICAL BUILDING? I BELIEVE SO. I THINK IT IS. I'M NOT REALLY SURE, BUT IT MIGHT BE WORTH LOOKING INTO THAT SIGN AS WELL. AND JUST SAYING NOBODY TOUCH IT KIND OF THING. I THINK THAT WOULD GO A LONG WAY WITH GARLAND AS A WHOLE. MM-HMM . ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE'VE HEARD IS THAT THE BEAUTIFUL ART OF NEON SIGNS IS A, BECOMING A LOST ART. I'M SURE VERY DIFFICULT TO FIND PARTS TO REPAIR. UM, SOME OF THESE SIGNS WERE ALL THE MORE REASONABLE AND QUITE EXPENSIVE AS WELL. BUT I THINK THEY'RE ALL ALTERNATIVE LIKE ELEMENTS YOU CAN USE TO NEON NOW THAT ARE EASIER TO, I MEAN, LEDS OR SOMETHING SIMILAR TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, AND, AND CAPTURE THE, THE CHARM OF IT, BUT NOT NECESSARILY BEING A NEON GAS . RIGHT. OKAY. OKAY. AND WE, WE DID ESTABLISH IN THE LAST DISCUSSION THAT WE, WE CAN INCLUDE THESE IN THE, IN THE REVITALIZATION GRANT PROGRAM. NICE. THAT'S FANTASTIC. NEED SOME ASSISTANCE? WE CAN DO IT. YEAH, THOSE SIGNS ARE AMAZING. UM, SOME OF THEM ARE JUST REALLY INTRICATE AND REALLY COOL, SO IT'D BE NICE TO PRESERVE THEM. SURE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COUNCILMAN BASS, DID YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? I'M SORRY I DIDN'T ASK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ITEM THREE C, ARE WE, DO YOU WANNA REPORT ON THAT OR DO YOU WANNA WAIT? OKAY, WE CAN START THE DISCUSSION. THANK YOU, SIR. YOU UP HERE FOR MY, AND THAT IS REVIEW OF CARPORT ORDINANCE. I WAS A AL RAYMOND, UH, BUILDING OFFICIAL CITY OF GOLAND. I WAS, I REMEMBER HAVING THE CONVERSATION WITH THIS GROUP, . I WAS, SOMEHOW I THOUGHT THESE MEETINGS, I THOUGHT THE MEETING WAS JUST ALMOST LIKE YESTERDAY. I DIDN'T REALIZE , THAT IT CAME ON ME SO FAST. I WAS TRYING TO PREPARE EVERYTHING, UH, BECAUSE I'VE, I'VE GOT SOME GOOD INFORMATION, SOME BACKGROUND INFORMATION, WHICH I'LL SHARE WITH YOU GUYS AND YOU CAN KINDA GIMME DIRECTION AND HOPEFULLY THE NEXT TIME WE, UH, TALK ABOUT THIS, I'LL HAVE ALL OF MY PICTURES TOGETHER AND ALL THAT STUFF. BUT I, I HAVE SOME IN INTERESTING INFORMATION THAT I'D LIKE TO SHARE WITH YOU. SO I, I REVIEWED THE, THE ORDINANCE, THE CARPORT ORDINANCE, RIGHT? AND SO IN THE NUTSHELL, THE CARPORT ORDINANCE PRO PROHIBITS METAL CARPORTS BEING IN THE FRONT YARD. AND OF COURSE, YOU DRIVE AROUND THE CITY IN THERE AND METAL CAR REPORTS IN THE FRONT YARD. IT ALSO PROHIBITS, UH, THE, THOSE CARPORTS FROM BEING HIGHER THAN THE MAIN BUILDING. IT ALLOWS MIDDLE CARPORTS IN THE REAR YARDS, BACKYARDS, IF YOU WILL. IT ALSO RESTRICTS THE CARPORT HEIGHT TO 15 FEET. UM, UH, ALSO IT HAS, UH, UH, PROHIBITION AGAINST CONVERTING CARPORTS, OR IT SAYS CONVERTING THEM TO GARAGE. IT'S OUR STORAGE FACILITIES OR WHATEVER. SO, WHICH MEANS IT HAS TO MAIN BE MAINTAINED AS AN OPEN, YOU KNOW, CARPORT. UM, AND, UH, IT BASICALLY ALLOWS US TO COVER THE CARPORT. THE ORDINANCES CURRENTLY NOW ALLOWS YOU TO STAND DOWN WITH SIDING OR COVERING NO MORE THAN TWO FEET FROM THE ROOF LINE. UM, BECAUSE FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, THE CARPORT SHOULD BE OPEN. ALL OF THAT SAID THIS WENT INTO EFFECT AUGUST 18TH, 2006, WHICH MEANS THAT EVERY, I'M ASSUMING BECAUSE OF THIS, EVERYTHING BEFORE IT HAS TO BE CONSIDERED EXISTING NON-CONFORMING, OR THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO PROPOSE TO, TO THIS GROUP. I FOUND THIS DEFINITION, UH, WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THE CARPORT, UH, YOU KNOW, SEAN AND I WORKING TOGETHER, WE FOUND THIS DEFINITION, WHICH I FOUND VERY INTERESTING. IT SAYS 6 0 3 UNDER CARPORTS. IT SAYS A CARPORT ANCHORED OR OTHERWISE ATTACHED TO A BUILDING SHALL NOT FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS GDC BE CONSIDERED A BUILDING OR PORTION OF A BUILDING. THAT'S A STRANGE DEFINITION BECAUSE IN THE [00:15:01] BUILDING CODE, THE STRUCTURE DETACHED OR UNATTACHED IS SOMETHING, IT'S TO US A STRUCTURE. SO WE, WE WOULD HAVE TO COORDINATE THAT TO MAKE SURE IT, IT ALIGNS ACROSS THE BOARD THAT NEEDS UPDATING. I ALSO HAVE DONE, I, I'VE REACHED OUT TO OR ENGAGED OTHER CITIES, UH, DID SOME RESEARCH. CORPUS CHRISTI, TEXAS CITY, SAN ANTONIO, MESQUITE, AUSTIN, HOUSTON, EL PASO, LUBBOCK, AND, AND OF COURSE OURSELVES IN TERMS OF, HEY, DO YOU ALLOW CARPORTS IN THE FRONT YARD? IS THERE A SETBACK ONCE YOU ALLOW THEM IN THE FRONT YARD? UH, IS A PERMIT REQUIRED? AND, UH, IS THERE, ARE THERE ANY NOTABLE COMMENTARY? RIGHT? ALMOST ALL OF THESE CITIES ALLOW CARPORTS, THEY ALLOW THEM IN THE FRONT YARD WITH THE EXCESSION OF CORPUS CHRISTI, WHICH IS MORE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS. MESQUITES, UM, UPDATED, UH, IN 2022 BEFORE IT WAS NO, BUT NOW, YES, THEY DO. AUSTIN IS RESTRICTED BOTH HOUSTON, AUSTIN AND CORPUS CHRISTI DISCOURAGES, UM, CARPORTS IN THE FRONT YARD. UM, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, IT, THEY HAVE SETBACKS. UH, THEY DO REQUIRE PERMITS AND THOSE, AND, AND I THINK, UH, OVERALL IT MAKES, UM, WE KIND OF FOLLOW SUIT WITH OUR, OUR CODE. WE DON'T REALLY HAVE NEARLY ANY RESTRICTIONS. SO WE FOLLOW SUIT WITH SOME OF THE MAJOR CITIES, UH, CURRENTLY, UH, UH, UH, MY ASSESSMENT OF THE ORDINANCE, AND I'M JUST KIND OF GOING THROUGH IT. I'M WORKING WITH JENNIFER TO GIVE ME ALL OF THE, UH, AND THERE'VE ONLY BEEN THREE UPDATES. I NEED THOSE UPDATES SO I CAN KIND OF SHARE WITH YOU, HEY, THIS IS WHAT IT WAS, THIS IS WHERE IT IS, AND THIS IS WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW. AND I'LL, I'LL PROVIDE THAT WHEN WE MEET AGAIN. UM, UH, I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT THE REPAIRS AND REPLACEMENTS. YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S IN, I CAME TO YOU COUNCILWOMAN SAYING, HEY, IS AN ISSUE OF MAINTENANCE IS SOMETHING, 'CAUSE THAT STILL FALLS IN IN MY COURT, IF YOU WILL. UH, THERE, THERE, THERE HAS TO BE A KIND OF A STATUS, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT TOO, WHERE WE SAY, HEY, WE GOING FORWARD, WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THESE EXISTING NONCONFORMING. EVEN IF I KNOW YOU BUILT YOUR WORDS ON THE WEEKEND, IT'S BRAND SPANKING NEW AND FINISHED. YOU KNOW, WE, YOU'LL HAVE TO GIVE DIRECTION, BUT WE WOULDN'T GO AND KNOCK ON THE DOOR AND SAY, HEY, YOU, YOU GOTTA GIVE US A PERMIT OR YOU GOTTA TEAR THIS DOWN. UH, BUT YOU KNOW HOW, HOW, HOWEVER YOU LIKE TO PROCEED, WE, WE'D OF COURSE FOLLOW YOUR DIRECTION. THEN. I HAVE SOME SUGGESTIONS WHEN I FINISH HERE ABOUT, UH, ENFORCEMENT PRACTICES AND, AND OUR APPEALS PROCESS. SHOULD WE EVER CROSS NEED TO CROSS THOSE BRIDGES REAL QUICKLY. WE'VE DONE SOME RESEARCH IN TERMS FROM 19 TO 25 AND 19, WE ISSUED, AND THIS IS, I FIND INTERESTING, AND YOU MIGHT FIND IT TOO. WE ISSUED 10 CARPORT PERMITS IN 2019, IN 20 20 93 IN TWENTY TWENTY ONE, A HUNDRED AND FIVE IN 20 22, 67 IN 23 77, 24, 41. AND RIGHT NOW, CURRENTLY, YEAR TO DATE, WE'RE AT 29. IF YOU ASK ME IS THAT GOOD OR BAD, I REALLY DON'T KNOW, BUT IT'S AT LEAST IT KINDA GIVES US A STARTING POINT. UH, YOU KNOW, ONE THAT MOST PEOPLE CONSIDER. OH YEAH, I GUESS I NEED A PERMIT. MOST PEOPLE JUST WORK ON THE WEEKENDS AS I SHARE IT WITH YOU. BUT A REASONABLE PERSON WOULD KNOW, OH, I, I NEED A PERMIT IF I'M GONNA ATTACH THIS TO MY HOME. UM, AND WHAT WE PROPOSE, SO THIS IS KIND OF JUST IN GENERAL, IT'S STILL KIND OF ALL DRAFT, BUT, UH, ABOUT ALL OF I SHARE WITH YOU, AND OF COURSE WHEN I, WE DO THE PRESENTATION WHENEVER OUR NEXT MEETING IS, UH, I, I, WE, YOU KNOW, TENTATIVELY RECOMMEND YEAH, WE, UH, ALLOW CARPORTS IN THE FRONT YARD. WE ALLOW CARPORTS PERIOD, RIGHT? FRONT YARD, SIDE YARD, REAR YARD, REAR YARD. AND WE SHOULD CONTINUE THAT. UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO SET, WE, I THINK WE SHOULD SET SETBACKS. YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE IN THE FRONT YARD, YOUR SETBACK FROM THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE IS X FROM THE SIDE, PROPERTY LINE IS Y FROM THE REAR PROPERTY LINE IS Z. UM, WE SHOULD, UH, HAVE RULES FOR THOSE SETBACKS. WHETHER THE CARPORT IS ATTACHED OR DETACHED. TO ME IT SHOULD BE THE SAME. BUT, UH, WE CAN CERTAINLY DISCUSS THAT AS WELL. UH, AND WE SHOULD LIMIT THE CARPORT SIZE. UH, A LOT OF THE CITIES THAT I, I MENTIONED, THEY LIMIT THE CARPORT SIZE. SO IF YOU THINK A 20 BY 20 SPACE, 400 SQUARE FEET, TO ME, THAT'S REASONABLE. AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT AS WE GO FORWARD AS WELL. PROPOSED ENFORCEMENT, , AND I USE THAT WORD BECAUSE THAT'S A WORD THAT WAS USED IN THE, IN THE, IN, IN THE SCOPING, RIGHT. ENFORCEMENT MAY BE AN INTERESTING WORD. 'CAUSE I WAS TELLING ANDY, AH, THAT'S, I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN BY UNFORTUNATELY, BECAUSE WE REALLY DON'T. RIGHT? I DON'T WALK 'EM AND SAY, YOU GOTTA, YOU GOTTA TEAR THIS DOWN. RIGHT? BUT WHAT WE PROPOSE IS THIS ALL EXISTING CARPORTS. AT SOME POINT WE'VE GOTTA CONSIDER EXISTING NON-CONFORMING. IF WE SEE SOMETHING THAT YOU BUILD BRAND NEW THAT DAY. AND IF YOU, IF YOU, IF YOU SAY TO US, HEY, WE NEED YOU TO ADDRESS THAT, [00:20:01] WE WILL. BUT, BUT RIGHT NOW, JUST JUST TO, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE BATTERIES ARE AHEAD, THE PICTURES, WE'RE GONNA SAY, HEY, WE'RE GONNA, ALL OF THIS IS EXISTING NON-CONFORMING. THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THINGS THAT NEED MAINTENANCE. IT DOESN'T INCLUDE THINGS THAT ARE HAZARDOUS. BUT I'M JUST SAYING IN GENERAL, THERE'S A NICE CAR PORT, WHETHER IT'S METAL, BRICK, WOOD, WHATEVER, IF EXISTING IN GOOD CONDITION, WE, WE'VE GOTTA, WE'VE GOTTA SAY, HEY, THIS IS THE LINE WE'RE GONNA DRAW. WE'RE CONSIDER EVERYTHING IN THE EXISTING NONCONFORMING. THE NEXT THING WE SHOULD DO IS, UH, OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO PERMIT ALL CARPORTS GOING FORWARD, RIGHT? KIND OF LIKE THE, UH, APRIL 18TH, 2006 PERMIT. ALL CARPORTS GOING FORWARD. NEXT, BE AWARE OF WORK, PERFORM WITHOUT PERMITS. AND I, AS I SHARED WITH YOU, THAT'S KIND OF CHALLENGING IN THAT IT'S NOT IMPOSSIBLE. IT'S JUST CHALLENGING BECAUSE YOU'RE JUST RUNNING AND RUNNING AND I SEE THIS NEW CARDBOARD BEING BUILT OR CONSTRUCTED, AND I KNOW IT'S NEW. YEAH. YOU KNOW, AND IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO, THEN WE WILL, RIGHT? IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST SIMPLE AS THAT, RIGHT? WE KNOW ITEMS ARE BUILT WITHOUT PERMIT EVERY DAY WITHOUT QUESTION. UM, IT'S, IT'S DEVELOPING THE BANDWIDTH TO SAY, I I'VE GOTTA TAKE CARE OF THAT, RIGHT? WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT OR WHATEVER. UH, NEXT I PROPOSE ISSUING THE STOP WORK ORDER IF WE KNOW THAT FOLLOW UP AS NEEDED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY BRING THEMSELVES INTO COMPLIANCE. AND THEN, OF COURSE, WORK WITH BRIAN'S GROUP, BRIAN MOORE, IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE MAINTAINED. THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I THOUGHT YOU WERE, YOU KIND OF WERE ALLUDING TO AND, AND 'CAUSE WHY, WHY IS THIS AN ISSUE? MAYBE BECAUSE YOU SAW A LEAN TO, AND YOU KNEW, HEY, THAT CAN'T BE PERMITTED. OR, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE PERCEPTION OF JUST STUFF PUT TOGETHER THAT ACTS AS A CARPORT THAT MAYBE IS NOT STRUCTURALLY SOME. SO WE'LL BE, OF COURSE, UH, AWARE OF THOSE THINGS AND WE'LL ADDRESS THOSE. BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE INCLUDED IN THIS WHOLE ENFORCEMENT PROCESS, IF WE CALL IT THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S GOTTA BE A MAINTENANCE PROCESS, UH, AS WELL FOLLOWING UP ON THAT. UM, AND THEN FINALLY, THE, OUR APPEALS PROCESS IS, YOU KNOW, TO THE BUILDING OFFICIAL, IF, IF YOU ARE UNHAPPY WITH THE BUILDING OFFICIAL, YOU CAN ALWAYS GO TO THE UNIFIED BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD TO SAY, HEY, THESE GUYS ARE WRONG. UH, IF IT'S DEALING WITH THE STRUCTURE, IF IT'S DEALING WITH THE LOT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, FORM, OR FASHION, WE WOULD PROBABLY PUSH THAT TO, UH, THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS. SO THAT'S KIND OF A QUICK, KIND OF NUTSHELL. UM, I HAVE A CLARIFYING QUESTION. AT THE VERY BEGINNING, DID I UNDERSTAND YOU CORRECTLY THAT THE CODE PROHIBITS CARPORTS FROM BEING CONVERTED TO AN ENCLOSED STRUCTURE? YEAH. YOU CAN'T DO THAT. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I HEARD THAT RIGHT. THAT'S GOOD. OKAY. AND THEN YOU, WHAT WAS THAT WEIRD PART OF THE ORDINANCE THAT YOU SAID NEEDED TO BE UPDATED? IT'S THAT DEFINITION, THAT DEFINITION THAT SAYS THE CARPORT IS NOT CONSIDERED A BUILDING OR A PORTION OF A BUILDING. AND THAT JUST CAN'T BE, IT'S SOMETHING . SO IT, ANYWAY, IT'S SOMETHING, IT'S EITHER A BUILDING OR PART OF A BUILDING, RIGHT? YES, EXACTLY. SO THAT'S RIGHT, YOU'RE A CONTRACTOR, IT'S SOMETHING, RIGHT? SO IT'S JUST A THEORY. IT'S JUST , IT'S ABSTRACT. THERE MAY BE SOME, WE'LL, WE'LL LOOK AT THE, YOU KNOW, THE CONTEXT OF THE ORDINANCE AND THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN. THERE MAY BE SOME SOMETHING THAT CAN SHED SOME LIGHT ON THAT SOMEWHERE WHEN, WHEN LEGAL HELPS US PARSE THROUGH IT. WELL, IF ANYTHING, WE'VE FOUND ONE THING THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED , AND, AND HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, LIKE I HAVE PICTURES PREPARED AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS, SO WE CAN KINDA SEE WHAT WE'RE UP AGAINST, RIGHT. WHERE IT IS IN THE CITY. UH, BRIAN HAS A GREAT HEAT MAP TO SHOW KIND OF, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WHERE SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE, BUT THEY'RE ALL OVER, RIGHT? AND, UH, NOT THAT THEY'RE BAD, UH, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, GETTING OUR ARMS AROUND IT TO, TO HAVE A PROCESS TO KNOW, OH, UH, IS THAT DONE WITHOUT A PERMIT? OKAY, STOP THE WORK. YOU NEED A PERMIT, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. IT'S NOT THAT YOU CAN'T DO IT, BUT STOP THE WORK AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE. MM-HMM . GO AHEAD. QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. SURE. AWESOME. AL, APPRECIATE THE REPORTING, APPRECIATE THE INFORMATION. UM, DO YOU KNOW WHY, SO I, I'VE WRITTEN DOWN HERE IT SAYS NO METAL CARPORTS IN FRONT. DID I JUST WRITE, I MEAN, THERE'S NO METAL CAR PORTS AT ALL. NO METAL CAR PORCH IN, IN THE FRONT YARD. RIGHT? OKAY. AND THERE'S, WHAT, WHAT'S THE REASON FOR THAT? I ASKED THE SAME QUESTION, ISN, BECAUSE I'VE READ OUTTA TIME. I COULDN'T ANSWER IT, BUT I WILL HAVE THAT BECAUSE I'M SURE, UH, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING THAT WE, WELL, IN THEORY, EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE WRITTEN DOWN IS RULES CAME FROM SOMETHING. RIGHT? AND I JUST NEED TO KIND OF DIG IN WITH OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO UNDERSTAND, HEY, WHY, WHY SPECIFICALLY IS THAT THE CASE? SO I, I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY KNOW. IT CAN'T BE STRUCTURAL BECAUSE IT NO, BECAUSE THEY'RE ALLOWED IN THE BACKYARD, RIGHT? MOST PEOPLE CAN'T SEE IN THE BACKYARD. IT'S, IT'S FOR AESTHETICS. YEAH. DID YOU SAY RICH PEOPLE CAN'T SEE IN THE BACKYARD? NO, I SAID . NO, I DID NOT. . OKAY. AND THEN, SO, UM, MOST PEOPLE I THINK IS WHAT I SAID MOST, MOST PEOPLE. BUT I, I THINK TO NALA'S POINT, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE STRICTLY AN AESTHETICS ISSUE THAT, THAT WE CAN TIE BACK, AGREED SOMEWHERE TO THE KIND OF THE, THE POLICING AUTHORITIES RELATED [00:25:01] TO ZONING THAT THE CITY HAS. OKAY. UM, IF AND IF IT IS AN AESTHETIC, UH, ITEM. IT SOUNDS KIND OF SUBJECTIVE. YEAH, BECAUSE EXACTLY. YOU KNOW WHERE I'M GOING HERE BECAUSE WE DON'T JUDGE, UH, THERE'S NO DESIGN STANDARD. I GUESS I SHOULD SAY. HEY, IT SHOULD LOOK LIKE THE HOUSE. IT SHOULD BE THIS THING MATERIAL. IT'S NOTHING LIKE THAT. NOT THAT WE COULDN'T HAVE IT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE IT CURRENTLY. YEAH. THERE ACTUALLY USED TO BE A DESIGN STANDARD. IT WAS A, FOR, FOR FACADES, FOR RESIDENTIAL FACADES. IT WAS A 50 PAGE PDF THAT WAS PRODUCED IN THE MID TWO THOUSANDS. AND IT WENT THROUGH ALL OF THE, LIKE, WHAT IF YOU ARE GOING TO REDO THE FACADE OF YOUR HOUSE? THIS IS WHAT IT SHOULD LOOK LIKE WHEN YOU'RE DONE. SO IF WE, I WOULD PREFER, INSTEAD OF JUST SAYING, WELL, YOU CAN'T DO METAL IN THE FRONT, BUT YOU CAN DO IT IN THE BACK, I WOULD PREFER FOR IT TO BE, IF, IF IT IS AN AESTHETIC REASON, OF COURSE, TO TIE IT INTO SOME STANDARDS WE ALREADY HAVE SET. SO THAT'S GREAT. YEAH. OKAY. UM, YEAH, TIE IT INTO FACADE STANDARDS BECAUSE IT'S PART OF THE FACADE. UM, THEN, SO AL DO WE CURRENTLY NOT HAVE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS? I THOUGHT WE DID. WELL, NOT, IT'S NOT IN THE, UH, IT'S NOT IN THE CARPORT ORDINANCE. RIGHT. OKAY. SO IT MAY BE, YOU KNOW, IT MAY BE, LET'S SAY THE ZONING, YOUR ZONING DISTRICT THAT YOU'RE IN HAS A FRONT SETBACK, A SIDE SETBACK, AND A REAR SETBACK. AND MOST OF US WOULD SAY, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT, OH, THAT'S FOR THE HOME, NOT FOR THIS. RIGHT. SO, OKAY. YEAH. 'CAUSE THIS WAS ORIGINALLY BROUGHT TO ME, AND I WANNA SAY THIS IS LIKE SIX MONTHS AGO. SO, AND IT WAS LIKE A, ONE OF MY WIFE'S FRIENDS AND HAS SOMEONE THAT LIVES IN GARLAND AND WANTED TO DO A CARPORT, AND HER PERMIT GOT TURNED DOWN. AND, AND HONESTLY, I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS, BUT I SWEAR IT WAS RELATED TO FRONT SETBACK. AND HER ARGUMENT WAS THAT EVERY ONE OF HER NEIGHBORS HAS A CARPORT. WHY CAN'T SHE HAVE ONE? I'M, I DON'T KNOW. LOOK AT IT, . AND SO HERE WE ARE. UM, BUT I WANNA SAY THAT SHE SAID THE PROBLEM WAS IT WAS TURNED DOWN BECAUSE OF, AND I, I MEAN, THE SETBACK JUST SEEMS SOMETHING RIDICULOUS. LIKE IT WOULD BE THE SETBACK FOR THE HOUSE, NOT FOR THE CARPORT. RIGHT. AND, AND ALMOST IN EVERY CASE, UM, DEPENDING ON HOW BIG OUR LIGHT IS, EVERY CARPORT ENCROACHES IN THE, THE FRONT SETBACK OF THE BUILDING SETBACK. RIGHT. SO THEREFORE THERE NEEDS TO BE A SETBACK FOR THE CARPORT. CARPORT. YEAH. I THINK, YEAH. AND THAT ONE OF COURSE. YEAH. I, I'D LIKE, I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME, SOME RAKES RECOMMENDATIONS ON COURSE. THOSE WOULD BE SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS WE, WE WILL MAKE. YEAH. AND IT'S, AND I GUESS WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, RIGHT, WHETHER IT'S FRONT, BACK OR SIDE, YOU'VE ALSO GOTTA THINK ABOUT WHERE THE STREET IS, RIGHT? IF IT'S ON A CORNER, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A STREET ON TWO SIDES. UM, CORRECT. YOU HAVE AN OUT COULD HAVE AN ALLEY ON THE BACK, MAYBE NOT HAVE AN ALLEY ON THE BACK. SO THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT SCENARIOS TO CONSIDER THERE. UM, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW, I MEAN, YOU GUYS CAN DRAW SOMETHING UP, BUT A LOT TO CONSIDER ON THAT ONE AND THE MAXIMUM SIZE. THAT'S A GREAT THING YOU BROUGHT UP. I HADN'T THOUGHT ABOUT THAT. UM, WHAT HAVE YOU GUYS THOUGHT ABOUT TYING MAXIMUM SIZE TWO EXISTING DRIVEWAY SIZE OR, 'CAUSE LIKE IF WE SAID THAT, OR WHAT IF THEY'RE GONNA MAKE THEIR DRIVEWAY BIGGER AND THEN THE PROCESS MAKE A CARPORT THERE AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT TAKEN UP HALF THE FRONT YARD OR ANYTHING. SO, UM, THAT'S A GOOD POINT. RIGHT? AND, UH, THERE'S CO THERE'S A LOT OVERALL LOT COVERAGE IS TO, YOU KNOW, FOR, TO ALLOW FOR OPEN SPACE. THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL HAVE TO CONSIDER WHEN WE, UH, YEAH. PROB PROBABLY TIE IT TO THE, THE OVERALL WIDTH OF THE LOT. YES. OVERALL, I GUESS, WHAT DO YOU CALL THAT? THE, THE 40 FEET OR SO IN THE FRONT, RIGHT? THE WIDTH. RIGHT. WELL, WHY DON'T WE JUST HAVE IT MIRROR THE GARAGE REQUIREMENTS? WELL, WHAT IF IT'S A, WHAT IF IT'S A HOUSE THAT HAD THE GARAGE CONVERTED ALREADY? 'CAUSE IT WASN'T THAT LONG AGO. WE QUIT. WELL, NOT, NOT AN EXISTING ONE, BUT DON'T WE HAVE REQUIREMENTS FOR GARAGES, LIKE SETBACKS AND ALL OF THAT ALREADY? RIGHT. BUT GARAGES ARE USUALLY A PART OF THE STRUCTURE, RIGHT. THEY'RE NOT, BUT, SO THEY, THEY, AND I'M SORRY, YOUR HONOR. SO THEY ARE, THEY ARE MEETING, THEY ARE REQUIRED TO MEET THE STRUCTURE SETBACKS I SEE. OF A ZONING, UH, AREA. RIGHT. IF YOU BUILD A, IF YOU PUT A DETACH OR ACCESSORY DWELLING IN YOUR BACKYARD OR IN THE, YOUR BIG AREA THAT ACCESSARY DWELLING SHOULD HAVE ITS OWN, YOU KNOW, SETBACK RESTRICTIONS IN THAT KIND OF THING. SO, UH, YEAH, I, I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YEAH. YEAH. AND PART OF LIKE A GARAGE, WHAT IF THE, LIKE I BUY A HOUSE TODAY AND SOMEBODY CONVERTED THE GARAGE INTO A BEDROOM 40 YEARS AGO. MM-HMM . BEEN THERE, DONE THAT, AND THERE ISN'T. AND THE DRIVEWAY'S JUST SITTING THERE, YOU KNOW, SO YOU WOULDN'T WANNA TIE IT TO THE GARAGE. 'CAUSE THERE ISN'T NO GARAGE. MY HOUSE, THE, THE SINGLE CAR GARAGE THAT WAS THERE IN 1955, THAT WAS ENCLOSED IN THE SEVENTIES. AND THEN THE CARPORT THAT THEY BUILT WHEN THEY ENCLOSED THE GARAGE, WHICH WAS THIS HUGE CARPORT MADE OUTTA WOOD. AND IT WAS LIKE A THREE CAR CARPORT THAT WAS ENCLOSED, SO OH, WOW. . YEAH. IN THE TWO THOUSANDS. THE CARPORT WAS ENCLOSED. IT WAS, YES. POORLY AS WELL. . UH, I HAD A RENT HOUSE [00:30:01] WITH AN ENCLOSED CARPORT ONCE. THAT THING DID NOTHING BUT JUST COLLECT DIRT. IT DOES. IT'S BE, IT, IT, AND I BELIEVE THAT THEY HAD A PERMIT TO DO IT. UM, I'D ASKED AT ONE POINT ABOUT ALL THE PERMITS THAT WERE PULLED FOR THAT HOUSE. AND, UM, AND IT'S JUST BEEN A NIGHTMARE. IT'S LIKE A, A WORKSHOP BECAUSE WE CAN'T LIVE IN THOSE AREAS. SO THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAD. I APPRECIATE IT. YOU'RE WELCOME. I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. UM, SO HOW MANY COMPLAINTS DO YOU GET ON A, HOW MANY COMPLAINTS DO YOU GET AVERAGE FOR CARPORTS? YEAH. SOMEONE BUILDING A CARPORT OR SEAN, DO YOU, DO YOU KNOW, CAN YOU ANSWER? I THINK THE, THE MAJORITY OF THE COMPLAINTS ARE GOING TO BE BECAUSE THEY'VE ENCLOSED A CARPORT OR BECAUSE OF THE MAINTENANCE OF THE CARPORT. WE RECEIVE VERY FEW THAT SOMEONE'S BUILDING ONE WITHOUT A PERMIT. OKAY. OF COURSE, . SO THE MAINTENANCE COMPLAINTS TYPICALLY GO TO CODE COMPLIANCE. OKAY. AND THEN, UM, SO I CAN BUILD A CARPORT IN MY BACKYARD AND USE IT AS A PATIO, BUT IF I PUT A DECK BACK THERE AND COVER THAT, I HAVE TO HAVE IT EVEN WITH THE EASEMENT OF THE HOUSE. RIGHT. IF YOU PUT A DECK, UH, , IF I COVER A DECK OR A PATIO YEAH. YOU, YOU ARE GOVERNED BY THE, THE SETBACKS OF THE STRUCTURE. RIGHT. BUT A CARPORT, WHICH IS MOST LIKELY ATTACHED TO THE HOME IN SOME WAY, DOES NOT FOLLOW THOSE SAME STANDARDS. IN THEORY, NO, BECAUSE EVERYONE, BECAUSE EVERYONE KNOWS THAT. WELL, AND LET'S USE THE FRONT YARD. EVERYONE KNOWS YOU'RE GONNA ENCROACH IN THE FRONT YARD. 'CAUSE YOU'RE, IF YOU WANT TO COVER, NOW, THESE TRUCK CARS ARE PROBABLY 20 FEET LONG, MAYBE EIGHT FEET WIDE. SO YOU'RE GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA EXTEND WELL BEYOND THE FRONT STRUCTURE SETBACK. WE JUST HAVEN'T, UH, AND I'M WORKING WITH NABIL ON THIS, WE JUST HAVEN'T, UH, SAID, OH YEAH, THE FRONT SETBACK FOR YOUR CARPORT IS X THE SIDE SETBACK FOR YOUR CARPORT IS Y THE SAME THING IN, IN THE REAR. SO WHAT YOU'RE BA WHAT YOU'RE SAYING BASICALLY IS TRUE. AND IN THEORY, IF, IF, IF YOU BUILD A CARPORT AND YOU YOU ALIGN IT WITH THE STRUCTURE SETBACKS, YOU SHOULD, YOU SHOULD BE OKAY. BUT IN THEORY, I KNOW THE CARPET WILL PROTRUDE WAY BEYOND THAT BECAUSE IT'S, YOU'RE GONNA NEED IT TO COVER YOUR VEHICLE. I JUST THINK IT'S SILLY THAT OUR REQUIREMENTS FOR A DECK COVERING ARE FAR EXCEED THE REQUIREMENTS FOR A CARPORT. THAT IS ODD TO ME. SO, UM, 'CAUSE I KNOW PEOPLE COVER THEIR DECKS TOO DURING THE WEEKENDS, AND, AND OF COURSE WE DO. OF COURSE WE DO. SO I ALWAYS THOUGHT IT WAS VERY STRANGE THAT IN ORDER TO HAVE A DECK IN THE BACKYARD, YOU WOULD HAVE TO MAKE THE, THE COVERING EVEN WITH LIKE, FOLLOW THE ROOF LINE AND ALL OF THAT, AND IT REQUIRES A LOT OF ENGINEERING AND WHATNOT. BUT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT'S A KIND OF OFF TOPIC, BUT I WANNA BRING IT IN AS A COMPARISON TO, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GOING THAT FAR WITH THE, WITH DEBT COVERINGS, THEN, YOU KNOW, A CARPORT, WHICH MOST LIKELY IS ATTACHED TO THE HOME, UM, SHOULD EITHER FOLLOW THE SAME OR WE SHOULD LOOK AT THE OTHER ONE TOO. UNDERSTOOD. COVER, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH OUR PATIO COVERING. BASICALLY IT HAS TO BE PART OF THE HOUSE, THE ROOF, THE ROOF HAS TO EXTEND OVER THE STRUCTURE. MM-HMM . SO, SO, AND IT, SO TWO THINGS. ONE, IF YOU WANT TO COVER IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE SAYING THE ROOF, THE, THE GDC SAYS YOU HAVE TO DO IT THIS WAY. YOU CAN'T JUST COVER IT ANY OTHER WAY. RIGHT. WOW. OKAY. WELL, I HAVE TO HAVE TO KNOW THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND I'LL WORK WITH HER . I MEAN, SO REALLY THE, LIKE, AS FAR AS CARPORTS IN THE BACK, I, I RARELY SEE THEM USED AS ACTUAL CARPORTS. I MOSTLY SEE THEM AS ENTERTAINMENT AREAS. THEY'RE PATIO COVERINGS, AND IT'S NECESSARY TO HAVE THAT IN TEXAS. AND IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT MAKES YOUR LIFE MORE, UM, IT ENHANCES YOUR LIFE TO BE ABLE TO PARTY OUTSIDE BECAUSE YOU HAVE FI SHADE. MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD ALLOW. I WOULD, I WANT TO BE ABLE TO SIT OUTSIDE UNDER THE SHADE. AND I DON'T WANT TO BE TOLD I CAN'T BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, A STRUCTURE THAT IS, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE THINGS THAT ARE REQUIRED BY, RIGHT. SO DO WE WANT TO ADD TO THIS ITEM? I SEE HOW, HOW, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CARPORTS AND PATIO [00:35:01] COVERINGS? OR CAN WE, OR DO I HAVE TO, DO WE NEED TO BRING IT AS AN ADDITIONAL ITEM THROUGH COUNCIL? CAN WE, CAN WE DO THAT TODAY? OR CAN WE DO THAT IN THE FUTURE? I MEAN, CAN WE ADD THAT TO IT TODAY IN THE, FOR A FUTURE TO INVESTIGATE , BRING IT, BRING IT WHEN THEY BRING IT FORWARD, BRING IT FORWARD TOGETHER. I THINK BECAUSE MY, IF I NEED TO BRING IT THROUGH COUNSEL, THE ITEM WOULD BE, UH, COMPARE CARPORTS TO BACKYARD CARPORTS TO BACKYARD PATIOS. WE'RE IN, IN THE CONTEXT OF THE AGENDA ITEM, WE'RE, WE'RE REVIEWING THE, THE CARPORT ORDINANCE. AND YOU'RE SAYING BY WAY OF COMPARISON, LET'S, LET'S AS A COMPARE, WELL, I, I DON'T KNOW. I, I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M A HUNDRED PERCENT FULLY FAMILIAR WITH WHERE THE PATIO COVERING WOULD COME, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE CARPORT ORDINANCE, IT'S, IT'S ENTITLED, YEAH. CARPORTS CANOPIES AND PORT RICOCHETS. OH, THERE YOU GO. SO I THINK THAT THAT IS THE CARPORT ORDINANCE. COOL. GREAT. FANTASTIC. THAT'S A GREAT WAY TO DO THAT, . THAT'S WHY WE HAVE ATTORNEYS CLASS. ALRIGHT, WE GOT A, WE GOT A LOT TO STUDY ON HERE. AND REALLY LIKE, THE WHOLE POINT IS TO MAKE THINGS EASIER FOR RESIDENTS AND EASIER FOR STAFF. SO YEAH. AND SAFER FOR EVERYONE. EVERYONE ALWAYS WANTS TO BE SAFE, BUT WE ALSO DON'T WANNA PUT AN UNACHIEVABLE GOALS IN FRONT OF YOU TO ENFORCE THAT. I MEAN, AND I FEEL LIKE RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST UNENFORCEABLE. UNDERSTOOD. SO GREAT. THIS IS A CARPORT. IT'S A PORTICO . ALRIGHT, ITEM 3D REVIEW. SB EIGHT 40 PROPOSED AMENDMENT SCOPING DISCUSSION. THIS ONE'S GONNA BE FUN. UM, YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION NOT ON. ALRIGHT, SO THIS IS THE SCOPING DISCUSSION, BUT UM, WE ALREADY HAVE, UM, SEVERAL AMENDMENTS IDENTIFIED, UM, FOR ENHANCEMENT OF MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS, UH, FOR THE PURPOSES OF SENATE BILL EIGHT 40. UM, SO I'M GONNA GO OVER THEM HERE. THEN I ALSO HAVE THE ACTUAL AMENDMENT LANGUAGE. IT'S PRETTY AMBITIOUS. SO ONCE WE GET SOME DIRECTION FROM THE COMMITTEE, I'LL WORK WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO MAKE SURE, UM, THEY'RE GOOD TO GO. BUT, UM, MOSTLY THEY'RE INSPIRED FROM OUR MIXED USE DISTRICTS. UM, SO THEY'RE HEAVILY, HEAVILY FOCUSED ON DESIGN STANDARDS AND QUALITY. SO, UM, THERE ARE TWO AVENUES WHERE WE CAN ADD THIS SECTION. ONE IS SECTION TWO POINT, UH, 2.52, WHICH IS SPECIAL STANDARDS FOR CERTAIN USES. SO WE CAN ADD A SECTION THERE FOR SPECIAL STANDARDS FOR MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS, OR WE CAN EXPAND OUR REVISED SECTION 2.39, WHICH IS THE ENTIRETY OF OUR MF MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT. OUR SWIMMING POOL REQUIREMENTS, THINGS LIKE THAT ARE IN THERE IN SECTION 2.39. SO THOSE ARE THE TWO OPTIONS. I THINK EITHER ONE WILL BE FINE. UM, WE, WE COULD SEE WHERE IT FITS BETTER FOR A CUSTOMER TO LOOK AT IT HOLISTICALLY. SO NUMBER ONE, UH, WE DID TALK ABOUT INCREASING THE MINIMUM HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS TO 40 FEET, WHICH COULD TRANSLATE TO UP TO FOUR STORIES. IT COULD BE THREE TO FOUR STORIES. UM, THE, THE SENATE BILL DOES SAY THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS IN OUR CASE CANNOT BE LESS THAN 45, BUT IT COULD BE MORE THAN THAT. SO IF WE'RE DOING THE MINIMUM HEIGHT AS 40 FEET, I THINK IT'S MORE THAN REASONABLE TO HAVE THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT AT 60. WE CAN EVEN GO MORE, BUT I WANT IT TO BE IN THE REASONABLE, REASONABLE AREA. SO RIGHT NOW IT'S FIVE TO SIX STORIES, BUT THE COMMITTEE COULD KIND OF WANT TO LOOK INTO IT FURTHER. SO IT COULD GO INTO SEVEN, EIGHT STORIES DEPENDING ON, UM, HOW WE WANNA LOOK AT IT. UH, THE DESIGN TYPE PIECES THAT, UM, WE ARE WANTING TO ADD IS RESTRICTING SURFACE PARKING TO BE IN THE FRONT YARD, UM, SO THAT THEY'RE, UM, LOCATED [00:40:01] BEHIND BUILDINGS SO THAT WE HAVE A MORE, WE CAN ACHIEVE A MORE URBAN, URBAN SCAPE. AND IF WE AND THE STATE, THE BILL DOES RESTRICT US FROM REQUIRING STRUCTURED PARKING. BUT IF WE, IF SOMEONE IS PROPOSING STRUCTURED PARKING, THERE ARE SOME DESIGN ITEMS AND I CAN GO OVER THOSE. LIKE I HAVE THOSE DRAFTED ALREADY. UM, SO WE CAN GO OVER THOSE ARE, UH, TODAY, BUT THAT'S KIND OF THE MAJOR PARKING RELATED AMENDMENT THAT WE CAN DO. UH, IN OUR URBAN DISTRICTS, WE DO HAVE A REQUIREMENT OF EIGHT FEET WIDE SIDEWALKS. I THINK FOR NEW MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS COMING IN, IT COULD BE APPROPRIATE TO LOOK INTO IT AS WELL. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO REQUIRE SOME HORIZONTAL AND VERTICAL BUILDING ARTICULATION AND HAVING SOME RESTRICTIONS ON AN ATTRACTIVE ROOF LINE. SO WE HAVE SOME LANGUAGE DRAFTED FOR THAT. UM, THERE ARE OTHER SIDE TO RELATED CRITERIA THAT CAN MAKE A PROJECT LOOK MORE ATTRACTIVE. FOR EXAMPLE, BLOCK LENGTH. IF, IF THE BLOCK LENGTH IS TOO SMALL OR TOO LONG, THAT CAN ALSO CAUSE MONOTONY OR RANDOMNESS. SO, UM, I'M TRYING TO DEFINE SOME MINIMUM AND MAXIMUM BLOCK LENGTH FOR MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS. AND, UH, BUILT TO LINES WHERE, UM, THERE IS A MINIMUM AND MAXIMUM BUILT TO LINE ZONE THAT WOULD MAKE SURE THE BUILDING AND COMPARE RISEN TO THE STREET IS LOCATED IN A, IN AN AREA WHERE IT IS ACHIEVING SOME QUALITY AND WE'RE GETTING SOME URBAN LANDSCAPE. UM, THE OTHER THING, WE GET THIS ALL THE TIME ABOUT THE SWIMMING POOL REQUIREMENT THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. UM, THE MORE MODERN DEVELOPMENTS DO ASK THAT, HEY, CAN WE DO SOME OTHER AMENITY INSTEAD OF A POOL? SO, UM, WE CAN INCORPORATE A LIST OF AMENITIES, WHICH I HAVE HERE. I THINK IT'S ABOUT 10 AMENITY LIST. AND THEN TIE IT WITH THE SIZE OF THE DEVELOPMENT. SO IF IT'S 200 DUELING UNIT MULTIFAMILY, YOU GOTTA DO THREE AMENITIES OUT OF THIS LIST. IF YOU'RE 500 DUELING UNITS, THEN YOU GOTTA DO FIVE OF THESE. SO SOMETHING RELATED TO THAT WHERE IT'S KIND OF PROPORTIONED BASED ON THE NUMBER OF DUALING UNITS. ONE OTHER THING, AND AGAIN, IT'S AN IDEA THAT OTHER CITIES ARE ALSO CONSIDERING, UM, AS MULTIFAMILY CAN NOW COME AND GO IN AREAS THAT ARE ZONED FOR COMMERCIAL. I THINK IT'S WORTH IT TO LOOK INTO IT AND SEE IF TOWN HOMES CAN ALSO BE ALLOWED THERE. AND THAT WOULD BE AN UPDATE IN THE LAND USE MATRIX. I THINK THAT WOULD ENCOURAGE, LIKE SOME PEOPLE MAY THINK, OH, I COULD JUST GO DO MULTI-FAMILY, WHY WOULD I EVEN LOOK INTO TOWNHOME? BECAUSE THAT WOULD REQUIRE ME TO GO THROUGH ZONING. UM, SO IF WE CAN MAKE IT EASIER WHERE THEY CAN ACHIEVE A LITTLE BIT OF MIX IN ONE PROJECT OR HAVE A COMPLETELY, UM, STANDALONE TOWN HOME PROJECTS, I THINK THAT COULD BE PREFERRED AS WELL. SO I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK INTO IT. UM, THE, THE NEXT ONE'S MORE OF A COMMUNITY UNDERSTANDING. SO I DO WANNA HAVE A, HAVE A REQUIREMENT WHERE FOR THESE SB EIGHT 40 SITES, THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE TO ERECT A SIGN AND IT COULD BE A TEMPORARY SIGN AND IT CAN ALL COME TOGETHER THAT WAY TO CONSTRUCT. AND IT WOULD, UM, SAY PER SB EIGHT 40, AT LEAST FOR THE NEXT FEW YEARS, WE CAN HAVE THAT POLICY SO THAT WHILE PEOPLE GET ACCUSTOMED TO WITH THAT LAW, THEY DON'T GET UPSET WITH THE CITY. THAT WHY IS, WHY DIDN'T I GET THE NOTIFICATION? THE OTHER PIECE I WAS TRYING TO WORK WITH ENGINEERING, UM, IN TERMS OF WATER WASTE, WATER CAPACITY ANALYSIS AND WHAT THESE CERTAIN THINGS THAT CAN NOW COME STRAIGHT TO PERMITTING. WHAT DOES THAT, HOW DOES THAT IMPACT OUR, UH, CAPACITY ANALYSIS FOR WATER WASTEWATER? I THINK FOR THE MOST PART BETWEEN THE TECHNICAL STANDARDS, STANDARDS MANUAL AND THE GDC WE'RE GOOD. THE ONLY LOOPHOLE THERE IS, IS THE DEFINITION OF DEVELOPMENT. SO IT DOESN'T INCLUDE CONVERSIONS. SO IT, A LOOPHOLE COULD BE, OH, I'M JUST CONVERTING AND I DON'T HAVE TO PROVIDE A WATER WASTEWATER ANALYSIS. SO WE DO WANNA UPDATE THAT DEFINITION OF DEVELOPMENT. AND IN CHAPTER THREE, WHICH IS OUR SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS, UM, WE DO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT DEVELOPMENTS ARE REFERRED IN THAT APPLICABILITY SECTION SO THAT EVERYONE, REGARDLESS IF IT'S A GREENFIELD SITE OR BROWNFIELD SITE, YOU'RE HAVING TO DO AN CAPACITY ANALYSIS FOR OUR ENGINEERING FOLKS TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE ENOUGH, UM, CAPACITY FOR WATER WASTEWATER FOR THE NUMBER OF DWELLING UNITS THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING. SO THAT'S KIND OF THE GIST OF IT. I DO WANNA GO, GO OVER, I DO HAVE THE ENTIRE PRESENTATION THAT I PRESENTED TO FULL COUNCIL, BUT Y'ALL WERE THERE, SO, UM, WE CAN REFER BACK TO THAT IF NEEDED, BUT IF NOT, HERE ARE THE SECTIONS THAT WE HAVE DRAFTED. OH, I WANTED [00:45:01] TO, GONNA MAKE IT A LITTLE BIGGER. SO THE LOCATION OF THE SURFACE OFF STREET PARKING, WE WOULD LIKE TO PROHIBIT IT IN THE FRONT OF ANY STRUCTURE WITHIN A DESIGNATED FRONT YARD. UM, WE DO WANNA HAVE SOME HEAD IN OR ANGLED PARKING OPTIONS BECAUSE THAT IS, THAT WILL PROVIDE SOME FLEXIBILITY, UH, IN SITE DESIGN. AND WE HAVE SOME EXAMPLES OF THAT. UM, SHARED AND OFF STREET PARKING ARRANGEMENTS COULD BE APPROVED, UM, DURING A DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION BECAUSE I DO THINK AS WE GET MORE AND MORE, MORE AND MORE OF THESE APPLICATIONS, THOSE PARKING RELATED PROVISIONS SHOULD BE ENCOURAGED. UM, THE STRUCTURED PARKING STANDARDS HERE WE HAVE DISTINCTIVE, SO ALL ABOVE GREAT PARKING STRUCTURES MUST BE DESIGNED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH AND COMPLIMENTARY TO THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE OF THE MAIN BUILDINGS. SO THAT IS SORT OF A GIVEN. AND THEN WE DO WANT THEM TO INCORPORATE AT LEAST TWO OF THESE FOUR DESIGN ELEMENTS. IT'S ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS AND WE DEFINE WHAT THOSE COULD BE, UH, VARIATION IN WALL PLANE. WE ALL KNOW HOW A STRUCTURED GARAGE COULD LOOK LIKE IF IT'S JUST PLAIN WALL, FLAT LINE, UH, CHANGE IN MATERIAL OR CHANGE IN COLOR. SO THESE ARE EASY TO ACHIEVE AND WE WANT THEM TO PICK TWO FROM THIS LIST TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT, UM, COMPLIMENTARY TO THE OVERALL PROJECT. UM, THIS, I THINK THIS COULD BE A LITTLE BIT TOO MUCH, BUT I DO WANNA KIND OF HEAR Y'ALL'S THOUGHTS. LIKE IF IT'S ABOVE GREAT PARKING STRUCTURES, IT SHOULD HAVE A DESIGN DISTINGUISHABLE FIRST FLOOR, UPPER FACADES AND ROOF. WE MAY OR MAY NOT GO ALL THE WAY THERE, BUT I WANTED TO AT LEAST START WITH THERE AND IT SHOULD HAVE SOME PEDESTRIAN SCALE ELEMENTS, AWNINGS, CANOPIES, THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, MOVING ON, THIS IS NOT TOUCHSCREEN, SO THERE'S SOME EXAMPLES THAT WE CAN LOOK INTO IN TERMS OF STRUCTURED GARAGE DESIGN, THE SIDEWALKS, THIS IS WHERE WE TALK ABOUT THE MINIMUM EIGHT FOOT, UH, WHITE, UH, SIDEWALKS. BUT WE DO TALK ABOUT IF IT'S A PRE-DEVELOPED AREA WHERE SIDEWALK IS ALREADY BUILT, THEN WE DON'T WANT ALL ON A SUDDEN TO COME AND INTRODUCE EIGHT FOOT WHAT SIDEWALK WE WANT THEM TO THEN CONTINUE WHATEVER'S THERE OR IMPROVE WHAT'S THERE. IN TERMS OF ARTICULATION, UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF DETAILED, UM, HORIZONTAL AND TIC VERTICAL BUILDING ARTICULATION STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE PUT IN HERE. UH, MOSTLY TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NO MONOTONY IN LARGE LONG BUILDINGS. FACADES COULD BE CARVED, UM, THE FACADES COULD BE MADE INTERESTING WITH SOME GLAZING, UH, THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, SO I CAN SEND IT TO Y'ALL TO REVIEW, UH, IF THERE'S INTEREST IN THOSE, UM, MATTERS ROOFS? YES, YES, I'LL SEND IT. UM, ROOF LINES, AGAIN, WE DON'T WANT GAM OR MANSARD ROOFS. THOSE ARE JUST VERY OLD SCHOOL AND WE DON'T WANT THOSE IN OUR MODERN MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS. IN TERMS OF SIDE DESIGN, AGAIN, WE'RE DEFINING WHAT BLOCK LENGTH THEY SHOULD BE. SO 200 IS THE MINIMUM, 500 IS THE MAXIMUM. UH, THAT DOES SOUND LIKE A STANDARD. UM, INTERESTING URBAN STYLE, MULTIFAMILY BLOCK LENGTH. IN TERMS OF SCALING, WE WANNA DISCOURAGE LARGE SCALE BUILDINGS WITH BLOCK BOX-LIKE APPEARANCE. AND THE OTHER THING IS, UM, SOME OF IT IS A LITTLE SUBJECTIVE, LIKE WHAT IS A BOX-LIKE APPEARANCE? UM, SO WE WANNA HAVE MORE ILLUSTRATIONS AND EXAMPLES TO MAKE IT AS, UM, AS CLEAR AS POSSIBLE TO THE USERS. AND THERE WE HAVE THE YARD AND BUILT TO LINES WHERE, UH, WE'RE SAYING, HEY, THERE'S A MAXIMUM BUILT TO LINE WHICH IS 20 FEET AND THERE IS A MINIMUM BUILT TO LINE WHICH IS 10 FEET. SO YOUR BUILDING SHOULD START BETWEEN, UM, 20 AND 10 FEET. THAT WAY WE KEEP THAT ENGAGING RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE BUILDING AND THE STREET. UM, WE DO HAVE SOME STANDARDS RELATED TO FRONT PORCHES, UM, DUELING UNITS, UM, HAVING FIREWALLS. I MAY TAKE THAT ONE OUT BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL GONNA BE ATTACHED TO EACH OTHER. UM, ON THE FRONT FACADE, 75%, UM, BEING LOCATED BETWEEN THE MINIMUM AND MAXIMUM. IN ORDER TO BUILD SOME FLEXIBILITY, WE DO WANNA ALLOW 25% TO BE, UM, NOT LOCATED WITHIN THE BUILD TO LINE. THAT COULD CREATE SOME INTERESTING, UM, LANDSCAPE, INTERESTING URBAN SCAPE, BUT ALSO PROVIDE SOME FLEXIBILITY AND RELIEF TO THE DEVELOPER. AND THEN WE HAVE SOME ILLUSTRATIONS FOR THAT. HERE'S THE AMENITY LIST THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT. SO INSTEAD [00:50:01] OF SAYING, HEY, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SWIMMING POOL, WE NOW HAVE A ROBUST LIST OF THINGS THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED AMENITIES. WE CAN TAKE THINGS OUT, WE CAN ADD MORE THINGS HERE, BUT I KIND OF, I PREFER THIS APPROACH WHERE SOMEONE CAN COME IN AND PICK AMENITIES FROM HERE RATHER THAN US JUST DEFINING WHAT THE AMENITIES SHOULD BE. AND THEN HERE WE HAVE THE AMENITIES REQUIRED BY SIZE DEVELOPMENT. SO 200 DUELING UNITS, THEY NEED TO PICK TWO AMENITIES FROM THIS LIST. IF IT'S 200 AND LIKE BETWEEN 200 AND 500, THEY NEED TO PICK FOUR. IF IT'S 500 OR MORE, THEY MUST PROVIDE SIX OF THESE AMENITIES. SO IT'S REALLY SCALED, UM, TO THE NUMBER OF UNITS. UH, WE DO WANNA BUILD SOME FLEXIBILITY IN THERE TOO, TO HAVING TO HAVE SOME SHARED AMENITIES. THAT'S THE, THAT'S THIS SECTION, UH, THAT'S TALKING ABOUT THE SHARED AMENITIES. AND WE END WITH SOME SITE FURNISHING FOR MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT MOSTLY. HEY, HAVE SOME BENCHES, PLANTERS, BICYCLE CYCLE RACKS, PUBLIC ART, THINGS LIKE THAT. AND ALSO THE MAIN FOCUS IS HAVE THOSE MATCH YOUR BUILDING STYLE. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR NOW. I AM REALLY EAGER TO SEE WHERE Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO GO ON THIS. I WAS GONNA ADD, SINCE THIS IS PRIMARILY A, A SCOPING, UM, EXERCISE, I KNOW WE, WE'VE BEEN QUITE PREPARED FOR THIS FOR SOME TIME AND SO WE'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK. I JUST WANT TO GET A FEEL FOR IF WE'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK, UH, FOR WHERE THIS IS HEADING, WHAT WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THE FEEDBACK AND THEN ULTIMATELY GET DIRECTION TO RETURN BACK WITH SOME, YOU KNOW, FIRM EXAMPLES TO THE COMMITTEE AND THEN REPORT BACK OUT TO COUNCIL. SO YEAH, I, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING I OBJECT TO. AND I, I WAS CURIOUS, I HAD SOME NOTES ABOUT THE AMENITIES, BUT THEN YOU BROUGHT THEM UP AND THEY'RE ALL PRETTY, THEY'RE ALL PRETTY HEFTY THINGS THERE. I WAS HOPING I DIDN'T SEE JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, DOG, DOG PARK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. MM-HMM. YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT DIDN'T COST 'EM ANY MONEY, BUT NO, ALL THAT STUFF IS, THAT ALL REQUIRES AN INVESTMENT ON THEIR PART. SO I THINK JUST HAVING PICK A CERTAIN NUMBER OF THESE, AND I WAS ORIGINALLY THINKING, WELL, IF THEY VARY GREATLY, MAYBE WE NEED TO GIVE 'EM A POINT VALUE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT THOSE ARE ALL GREAT THINGS ON THERE. SO, UH, I LIKE THAT. UM, THE PART ABOUT ADDING TOWN HOMES TO IT, THAT'S, THAT'S VERY CLEVER. I LIKE THAT. UM, UM, YEAH, ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO GET A LITTLE BIT OF CONTROL BACK FROM FROM THE STATE ON THIS ONE IS, IS GONNA HELP US. SO I LIKE THAT DIRECTION AND IF YOU COME UP WITH OTHER THINGS THAT ARE ALONG THAT SAME DIRECTION, THAT'D BE NICE TOO. UM, SO ON PROPERTY LINE SETBACKS, AND SO FOR ME THE, THE BIGGEST IMPACT THIS IS GOING TO HAVE IN MY DISTRICT IS THE LAKE POINT CHURCH PROPERTY. SO YOU, YOU GUYS ARE, IF YOU GUYS ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT, THE IT LAKE POINT CHURCH HAS A, I FORGET HOW MANY ACRES. IT'S LET'S, SIX AND A HALF ACRES. 10 ACRES, OKAY. YEAH. THAT'S THE NO, VERY NORTHEAST SIDE. YEAH. YEAH, 10 ACRES. SO, UM, MARGARET, THIS IS A PIECE OF PROPERTY. I'M FAMILIAR. YOU'RE FAMILIAR. OKAY, GOOD. SO YEAH. AND THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT NEXT TO IT ARE THE MOST EXPENSIVE HOMES IN THE CITY. BY FAR. EVERY DEVELOPER WE'VE HAD COME THROUGH THERE, THEY'VE PUSHED AWAY. AND SO I'M CURIOUS WHAT KIND OF, UM, LINE OR DO WE HAVE ANY LIKE LINE OF SIGHT SETBACKS, UM, TO RES TO, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT THAT WE COULD, WE COULD CONTROL SOMETHING FOR A SITUATION LIKE THAT ADJACENT WHEN SOMETHING'S ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL? SO WHEN WE WORKED ON THE URBAN DISTRICT, UM, REGULATIONS DURING THE REZONING OF 6 35 SOUTH GARLAND CITY INITIATED REZONING, WE HAD BUILT THAT IN THERE. UM, SO WHEN IT'S NEXT TO A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL EXISTING, THEN THEY HAVE TO BE SET BACK A HUNDRED FEET. THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR URBAN DISTRICT. THE REASON I DIDN'T INCLUDE IT IN HERE IS BECAUSE BASED ON MY CONVERSATION WITH LEGAL, BECAUSE THE STATE DOES, SO WE'RE GONNA STICK TO SCOPING IN THE SENSE THAT WE'RE GONNA WORK WITH NABEEL TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO IN THAT REGARD. OKAY. OKAY. AWESOME. THANK YOU. YES. UM, YEAH, NO, I THINK IT LOOKS GOOD. YOU KNOW, I GOTTA SPEAK UP FOR MY CONSTITUENTS . I DON'T WANNA GET TARRED AND FEATHERED . UH, THAT'S IT. GREAT. UM, SO AS FAR AS THE AMENITIES GO, I'D LIKE TO SEE CLUBHOUSE ON THAT LIST. OKAY. AND I'D LIKE TO SEE A SIZE STANDARD ON THE LIST AS WELL. SO IF THEY'RE REQUIRED TO PUT IN A POOL, HOW BIG DOES THAT POOL HAVE TO BE? MM-HMM . BECAUSE THEY COULD PUT IN A TWO BY THREE POOL AND THEN IT SERVES NO ONE. YEAH, YEAH. YEP. UM, AND THEN WE TALKED ABOUT PARKING AMENITIES. OH, UH, YOU MENTIONED BOXY [00:55:01] ARCHITECTURE. UM, I MEAN IF IT LOOKS LIKE ADAM'S HAT FACTORY, THEN I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT. SO MAYBE INSTEAD OF RESTRICTING BOXY ARCHITECTURE, YOU COULD MAKE A WINDOW REQUIREMENT. SO IF THEY, IF THEY HAVE A HUGE AMOUNT OF WINDOWS ON THAT, ON THAT WALL, IT WILL LOOK MUCH BETTER THAN IF IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT SAME MATERIAL. AND I THINK THIS IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO GET REALLY CREATIVE. SO IF A DEVELOPER COMES THROUGH AND THEY CAN MEET LIKE EXTREMELY RESTRICTIVE ENVIRONMENTAL STANDARDS OR THEY'RE USING SUSTAINABLE MATERIALS, MAYBE THEY WANNA 3D PRINT A BUILDING OR SOMETHING. IF THEY CAN MEET REQUIREMENTS THAT GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF ARCHITECTURAL STUFF, BUT ALSO CREATE AN AMAZING DEVELOPMENT THAT WE WOULDN'T NORMALLY REQUIRE, I THINK IT'S WORTH LOOKING INTO AND, AND IF THAT'S THE, LIKE IF, IF YOU'RE SAYING, OKAY, WELL YOU CAN DO ALL OF THIS STUFF, BUT IF YOU DO THIS, THEN YOU CAN KIND OF RUN WITH IT KIND OF THING. BUT THOSE STANDARDS WOULD HAVE TO BE PRETTY RESTRICTED, ENVIRONMENTALLY SUSTAINED. YEAH. OKAY. UM, AND YOU KNOW, I, GARLAND HAS A LOT OF FIFTIES, SIXTIES, SEVENTIES HOMES. SOME OF THOSE HOMES WERE BUILT IN LIKE MID-CENTURY MODERN STYLE AND THOSE ARE REALLY COOL HOUSES. AND I THINK THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT PEOPLE IN THE OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS REALLY, UM, EMBRACE. UM, AND I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE OF THAT KIND OF ARCHITECTURE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME REALLY UNIQUE ARCHITECTURE. TO ME IT'S NOT SO MUCH ABOUT, UM, AESTHETICS ARE, ARE REALLY IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER. MM-HMM . AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT IF YOU CAN, IF YOU CAN USE YOUR RESTRICTIONS TO REQUIRE AESTHETICS IN A CERTAIN WAY MM-HMM . UM, I THINK THAT WOULD BE REALLY NEAT. THERE'S SO MANY HOMES IN LIKE COLORADO AND AUSTIN THAT YOU DO NOT SEE HERE AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOME OF THOSE HOMES HERE. SO SINCE THIS IS MULTIFAMILY, WE CAN, IS IT POSSIBLE TO BUILD IN MAYBE IF THEY'RE ACHIEVING SOME KIND OF COOL ARCHITECTURE, THEN BUILD IN SOME RELIEF ON SOME OF THE OTHER STANDARD? ABSOLUTELY. THAT WAY WE ENCOURAGE THEM TO DO IT. OKAY. ABSOLUTELY INCENTIVIZE, YES. OKAY. AND THEN YOU SAID THAT WE CAN'T REQUIRE A PARKING STRUCTURE, BUT WE CAN RESTRICT FRONT END PARKING. IS THAT SURFACE PARKING IN THE FRONT? WE CAN RESTRICT. OKAY. YES. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU LOOKED AT IRVING'S RECENT ORDINANCE, HAVE YOU NOT IRVING'S? OKAY. WELL THERE'S AN ART, I'M JUST GONNA READ THE FIRST COUPLE PARAGRAPHS FOR IT. IT SAYS, UNTIL LAST MONTH, IF A DEVELOPER WANTED TO BUILD A RUN OF THE MILL APARTMENT COMPLEX IRVING, THAT BUILDING COULD REACH UP TO THREE STORIES AND HAVE, HAVE TO HAVE PLENTIFUL PLACES FOR KIDS TO RUN AROUND. NOW THAT APARTMENT COMPLEX MUST HAVE EIGHT FLOORS. IT MUST INCLUDE A SWIMMING POOL, A DOG PARK, A GYM, AND A WORKSPACE FOR REMOTE WORKERS. BUILDERS ALSO MUST PICK FROM A MENU OF AMENITIES TO ADD, SUCH AS A YOGA ROOM, A PLACE TO WASH PETS OR CARS OR A STATION FOR CYCLISTS TO REPAIR THEIR BIKES. SO BASICALLY THE SAME THING THAT WE'RE DOING. MM-HMM . I LIKE YOUR LIST BETTER. AWESOME. THANK YOU. I DID ADD, I KNOW WHEN YOU SAID LIKE YOU THOUGHT IT WOULD BE DOC PARK, THAT'S WHEN I WAS LIKE, WELL I NEED TO INCLUDE DOC PARK . UM, THAT LIKE, IS THAT OKAY IF I YEAH. YEAH. BUT I THINK THAT WE, WHATEVER WE LOOK AT ON THOSE AMENITIES, IF WE COME UP WITH A LIST WHERE THEY DON'T, WHERE WE DON'T FEEL LIKE EACH ONE HAS EQUAL VALUE, THEN I WOULD SUGGEST ASSIGNING A POINT SYSTEM. MM. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? LIKE A DOES PARK IS A VALUE OF ONE, A SWIMMING POOL HAS A VALUE OF THREE. MM-HMM THAT KIND OF STUFF. YEAH. SO INSTEAD OF SAYING YOU HAVE TO PICK THREE AMENITIES, MAYBE WE SAY YOU DO TWO PER, BUT YOU HAVE TO GET TO THIS MUCH POINT VALUE. YEAH, WE CAN DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I LIKE THAT. AWESOME. I CAN HAVE FUN WITH IT. THAT'S COOL. YEAH, THEN YOU COULD HAVE, YOU COULD HAVE A WHOLE VARIETY OF STUFF ON THAT LIST. , WE JUST MADE THINGS A WHOLE LOT. . ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? OKAY, MOVING ON TO, I THANK YOU VERY MUCH NABILA. MOVING ON TO ITEM AND I DIDN'T THINK ANYONE THANK ANYONE ELSE? THANK YOU AACO AND AL FOR SPEAKING EARLIER. I APPRECIATE IT. AND ANDY, UM, ITEM THREE E REVIEW PROCESS FOR DESIGNATION OF OUTSIDE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT [01:00:01] TOOLS, FOREIGN TRADE ZONES, PACE PROGRAM, ET CETERA. AND THIS IS A SCOPING DISCUSSION. YES. YES. AWESOME. OKAY. OF COURSE Y'ALL MATCH TODAY. THE BEST DIRECTION. ALL. GO AHEAD. WELL, THIS IS SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, I'M ALWAYS LOOKING FOR WAYS TO MAKE GARLAND AND MAKE IT EASIER TO DO BUSINESS IN GARLAND. MM-HMM . AND WHAT WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO HELP BUSINESSES COME INTO GARLAND, OF COURSE, IS GONNA HELP INCENTIVIZE 'EM TO COME HERE. AND RELATED TO THAT WOULD BE THINGS LIKE A FOREIGN TRADE ZONE, UM, YOU KNOW, BEING, BEING A CATALYST FOR A LOAN PROGRAM SUCH AS PACE. SO THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT THIS FORWARD. I WANNA SEE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANNA CREATE ANY UNDUE BURDEN ON THE CITY, BUT WE DO ALSO, I, I WANT TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT EASIER TO DO BUSINESS HERE. SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M, SO ARE YOU LOOKING FOR IDEAS TO EXPAND THOSE OFFERINGS IN, IN OTHER WORDS, I THINK WE, I THINK A AIKO CAME A LITTLE BIT PREPARED FOR AN INVENTORY OF WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. CORRECT. RIGHT. SO WE LOOK AT THE FEDERAL PROGRAM AND THE STATE PROGRAM THAT'S COMMONLY USED, UM, WHICH IN GARLAND IN THE PAST OR CURRENTLY OR WE LOOKED INTO OR SOME OTHER, UM, CITIES UTILIZING THAT PROJECT PROGRAM. I HAVE SOME LIST. UM, BUT SOMETIME THOSE PROGRAM, WE ARE NOT CURRENTLY UTILIZING IT. BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE IS SOME REASON. UM, BUT, UH, WE DO HAVE SOME LIST. LIST I HAVE, BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CAN DEF DEFINITELY CAN COME BACK AND THEN LOOKING INTO OTHER PROGRAM. BUT DE DEFINITELY THERE IS A LOT OF PROGRAM OUT THERE, BUT IT'S REALLY USEFUL IN GARLAND. IT'S REALLY QUESTION MARK AND ALSO STAFF, YOU KNOW, RESOURCES AND ALL DIFFERENT THINGS, SO. RIGHT. AND I KNOW ANOTHER THING, UM, JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, THE FOREIGN TRADE ZONE. MM-HMM . UM, WHEN WE HAD A ONE RECENTLY, IT HAD TO COME BEFORE COUNCIL. BUT OTHER CITIES DO IT AS AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS, WHICH OF COURSE WOULD MAKE THE WHOLE THING EASIER ON EVERYONE INVOLVED. UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T FEEL LIKE COUNCIL HAS TO MICROMANAGE EVERYTHING. SO I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT, UM, IF WE COULD, UM, CHANGE THAT TO AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS, WHAT WOULD THAT TAKE FOR THAT? AS WELL AS, LIKE YOU MENTIONED, ARE THERE OTHER THINGS OUT THERE THAT WE COULD BE A PART OF MM-HMM . NOW? UM, FOR EXAMPLE, FOREIGN TRADE ZONE. YES. BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, LAST 10 YEARS WE HAD PROBABLY ONE OR TWO MM-HMM . SO IT'S NOT A LOT. AND ALSO DEFINITELY MARKET CHANGE AND ENVIRONMENT CHANGE. AND SO MAYBE, YES, IT'S KIND SOME TIME CONSUMING IT FOR YOUR TIME AND OF COURSE STUFF, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, MAYBE CASE BY CASE, LIKE WE DID WHOLE PROCESS IT, IT COULD MAKE SENSE. AND THEN NOW AGAIN, UM, WE CAN PUT IT THE, UH, SOME RULES IN PLACE SO WE CAN THESE, IF THERE IS OUTSIDE THE SCOPE, YES, WE HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL. BUT YEAH, I AM HERE TO WHATEVER YOU, YOU CAN GIVE US DIRECTION. OKAY. YEAH. I MEAN, YEAH, WHATEVER INFORMATION YOU'VE GOT BASED ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE ALL, WHAT WE ARE ALREADY DOING, UM, HOW WE COMPARE TO OTHER CITIES, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, WHAT WE COULD BE DOING. WE COULD HAVE AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION . UM, YEAH. IS THAT OKAY? JUST KIND OF ONE SLIDE, YOU KNOW, I HAVE PREPARED. SO YEAH. ANYTHING WE GOT, AND UNFORTUNATELY, SOMETIMES OUR TOOLBOX ISN'T QUITE WHAT WE'D LIKE. 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT A, A OR FOUR B. UH, THERE'S A GREAT DEAL OF TOOLS IN, IN THAT. BUT WE'LL, UNTIL, YOU KNOW, OTHER THINGS GET RESOLVED WITH THAT 1 CENT, THEN THAT'S NOT A TOOLBOX WE CAN UTILIZE RIGHT NOW. THAT'S RIGHT. UM, SO I JUST KIND OF SEPARATE IT. TWO, TWO DIFFERENT PROGRAM, YOU KNOW, UM, UH, FEDERAL PROGRAMS AND STATE PROGRAMS, A FOREIGN TRADE ZONE PROGRAM BY EDA, UH, OF COURSE EVERYBODY FAMILIAR WITH THAT. AND ANOTHER ONE IS ECONOMIC ADJUSTMENT ASSISTANCE, BUT ALSO THIS IS EDA ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AGENCY. THIS IS A PROGRAM AND THE ONE OF THE THING I ALWAYS LOOKING INTO AND, BUT WE HAVE NOT REALLY IMPLEMENTING, IS REALLY REVOLVING LOAN FUNDS. JUST REALLY FOR THE, A LOT OF COMMUNITY USE IT FOR THE SMALL BUSINESS SUPPORT PROGRAM. LOAN PROGRAM. UM, DEFINITELY THIS IS THE, UM, WE CAN, UH, WORK WITH THE, UM, LOCAL BANK. THEY CAN REALLY THIRD PARTY ADMINISTRATE. THEY CAN ADMINISTRATE THOSE PROGRAM AND ALL THE LOAN PROCESS. BUT AGAIN, THIS IS SOME COMMUNITY IS DOING THAT. UM, AND ANOTHER ONE IS LIFT FUND. IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO, I DIDN'T PUT THAT ON THERE, BUT ALSO THE, UH, THE SMALL PRO SMALL BUSINESS ASSISTANT PROGRAM. UM, IT'S A LOAN PROGRAM. I'M STILL KIND OF TRYING TO GATHER ALL THE INFORMATION FROM A DIFFERENT COMMUNITY. AND THEN WHAT IS THE IMPACT? IT'S REALLY NEW. UH, [01:05:01] ARLINGTON HAS ONE, BUT IT'S THE SIX MONTH AGO THEY IMPLEMENTED. SO I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY RESULT. UM, SO I, I'M, I LOVE TO, UM, TO DO RESEARCH MORE ABOUT THAT OPPORTUNITY ZONES. UM, OF COURSE WE HAVE A ONE OPPORTUNITY ZONE IN GARLAND, BUT IT'S REALLY A HEAVILY RESIDENTIAL AREA. I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'RE KIND OF REVISITING THE OPPORTUNITY ZONE NOW. SO I AM KIND OF INTERESTED HOW THAT'S THE NEW PROGRAM GONNA BE. BUT RIGHT NOW, CURRENTLY WE HAVE NOT REALLY, UM, UTILIZING THIS OPPORTUNITY ZONE IN GARLAND. AGAIN, THE PACE PROGRAM, UM, IT'S BY EPA, UM, STATE PROGRAM. THOSE THREE PROGRAM IS VERY COMMONLY USED. BUT DFW MARKET IS, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF STATE PROGRAM IS TOWARDS, UM, MORE, UM, ECONOMICALLY CHALLENGING AREA. SOMETIMES VERY HARD FOR THE, UH, WHEN WE ARE LOCATED IT'S VERY HARD TO USING THOSE PROGRAM. BUT TEXAS ENTERPRISE FUND IS REALLY DEAL CLOSING FUND. IT'S A LOT OF, UM, THE TOYOTA DEAL IN, UM, PLANO, UM, IS DEFINITELY USED. THESE FUNDINGS, UH, FUND PROGRAM, TEXAS ENTERPRISE ZONE PROGRAM. WE DO HAVE A SEVERAL, UM, PROJECT. WE, UM, WORKED WITH THE ESTATE, UM, TO APPLY FOR THIS PROGRAM. I BELIEVE CURRENTLY WE HAVE A ONE ACTIVE ENTERPRISE ZONE PROJECT, WHICH IS A CRAFT SKILLS DEVELOPMENT FUND. IS, IT'S REALLY, I THINK THIS IS THE MOST, UH, COMMONLY USED PROJECT, UH, PROGRAM. THIS IS WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT, UH, TRAINING PROGRAM. UH, THIS IS REALLY THROUGH THE TWC, UH, WORK WITH THE, UH, COMMUNITY, UH, COLLEGE TO DO THE WORKFORCE TRAINING. THOSE ARE REALLY THE MAIN, UM, STATE PROGRAMS WE U YOU USE A LOT. SO IF I COULD ADD A LITTLE BIT, I MEAN, IF, JUST BRAINSTORMING OTHER IDEAS. SO THESE ARE PRETTY TRADITIONAL PROGRAMS THAT ARE VERY, UH, BUSINESS INDUSTRY SPECIFIC. BUT WE ALSO DO A PRETTY CREATIVE JOB OF, OF BUNDLING OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TOGETHER AND MAKE, YOU KNOW, FULL PROJECTS, WHETHER IT BE A NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY PROGRAM, A-C-D-B-G KIND OF THING. UH, I KNOW YAKO AND HER TEAM HAVE DONE THINGS WITH, UM, BROWNFIELD. YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO GET A BROWNFIELD PROGRAM KIND OF STRUCTURE PUT IN PLACE. BUT ESSENTIALLY THAT MEANS LOOKING FOR GRANT OPPORTUNITIES. 'CAUSE IT, YOU KNOW, A, A SITE'S VERY UNATTRACTIVE TO A DEVELOPER IF HE KNOW IF THERE'S A KNOWN ISSUE THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE DEALT WITH. UH, THOSE GRANTS ARE, ARE HUGELY, UH, IMPORTANT IF NOTHING ELSE JUST TO PERFORM EXPENSIVE STUDIES AND THERE'S OTHER GRANTS FOR ANY REMEDIATION. SO THERE WE COULD MAKE A PRETTY LONG LIST OF, OF TYPES OF TOOLS THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE AND CAN, AND THEN CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR SIMILAR OTHER THINGS. OKAY. SO HOW DO WE WORK TOGETHER WITH THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND WITH SBA ON THIS? AND WOULD IT BE, WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE IF WE HAD, UM, A PARTICULAR POSITION, EVEN IF IT WERE A PART-TIME POSITION THAT WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR HELPING TO PROMOTE THIS? UM, WE ALL THINK ABOUT THAT STUFF. SBA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. WOULD IT BE WORTH IT TO HAVE THIS, SOMEBODY DEDICATED TO FOCUSING ON THIS? SO WE WE'RE REDOING THE, WE'VE GOT A WEBSITE RELAUNCH. UM, WE'VE GOT, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT A BUSINESS, UH, RETENTION AND EXPANSION PROGRAM. UM, THAT'S, THAT'S ACTUALLY THE FIRST DRAFT OF, UH, AT A HIGH LEVEL'S BEEN LOOKED AT BY STAFF RIGHT NOW. SO WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT WAYS TO DO THAT WITHOUT ADDITIONAL STAFF AT THE MOMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT, 'CAUSE IF, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING YOU CORRECTLY, WHAT WE'RE MAKING, WE WANNA MAKE SURE IS THAT ALL OF THESE TOOLS ARE BUNDLED TOGETHER AND READILY AVAILABLE FOR SOMEBODY TO GET TO, RIGHT? YEAH. SO I BELIEVE LET US COME BACK WITH A MORE DETAILED PLAN RELATED TO THAT, BUT I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW. SO LET'S OKAY. BUNDLE THAT BACK UP AND, AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. OKAY. DO WE CURRENTLY WORK WITH THE SBA OR CHAMBER OF COMMERCE ON ANY OF THESE? OH, FOR SURE. YEAH. LOT, LOTS OF PROGRAMS. THAT ONE, THE ECONOMIC ADJUSTMENT ASSISTANCE THAT SOUNDS LIKE SBA RIGHT THERE. IS THAT SIMILAR TOO OR VERY SIMILAR? YES. MM-HMM . AND A LOT OF WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT IS A BIG, IS A BIG PIECE. I MEAN THAT, SO ALL OF THESE TOOLS, SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR WEBSITE AND OUR OTHER OUTREACH EFFORTS, UM, OUR BRE EFFORTS, WE'LL MAKE SURE AND BRING YOU BACK A GOOD DESCRIPTION OF HOW WE'RE GOING ABOUT THAT. VERY COOL. AWESOME. UM, YOU KNOW, I LIKE THE WAY THIS IS HEADED. UM, I'D LIKE TO KEEP IT ON THE FRONT BURNER. SAME. THIS AFFECTS YOU . I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO NOT SEE TREE MITIGATION FUND ON THIS, UH, LIST EVER AGAIN. PLEASE. WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT? MEANING INCENTIVIZING PEOPLE WITH OH, THE TREE MITIGATION FUND. YEAH. I DON'T LIKE USING TREES AS RIGHT. UH, CURRENCY. WE DON'T DO THAT AS MUCH AS WE USED TO DO. WE, BUT WE'VE DONE IT. YEAH. AND WHEN [01:10:01] WE DO, IT'S A BIG DEAL. FELT LIKE WE DID IT A LOT A FEW YEARS AGO. IT FELT LIKE WE DID IT JUST RECENTLY. AND, YOU KNOW, AND NO, I WOULD SAY IT THAT REMARK. IT IS A TOOL. UM, YOU KNOW, AS, AS THE PARK GUY IN THE ROOM, I, I, I, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE THAT WE WANT TO THINK CAREFULLY ABOUT. I WOULD, I WOULD THINK, UM, BUT IT IS A TOOL DEPENDING ON, YOU KNOW, THE DESIRABILITY OF A PROJECT AND THAT THERE ARE OTHER WAYS, BUT I COULD CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE DIRECTION YOU'RE WANTING TO GO WITH THAT, THAT WE, YOU KNOW, NEED TO MAYBE CONSIDER HOW WE DO THAT AS PART OF, UM, INCENTIVIZING. IT'S WHEN IT DOES HAVE VALUE, DON'T TREAT IT AS IF IT DOESN'T HAVE VALUE, I GUESS. BUT IF THEY'RE NOT REPLACING IT WITH ANY OTHER THING, LIKE IF IT'S A PACE PROGRAM AND THEY NEED TO LIKE DO SOME FUN INCENTIVES WITH THE TREE MITIGATION FUND, THEY'RE KIND OF REPLACING THOSE TREES WITH OTHER THINGS THAT HELP THE ENVIRONMENT. AND I'M, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE ALL, YOU KNOW, GREEN HIPPIE ABOUT IT, BUT I, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE KEEP TREES AROUND. RIGHT. BUT WE ALSO HAVE A VALUE SYSTEM FOR OUR TREES TOO. LIKE WE HAVE SOME THAT HAVE NO VALUE AT ALL. RIGHT. THERE, THERE ARE, THERE, THERE'S, THERE'S A, A LIST OF, OF THINGS THAT ARE , BUT RESIDENTS DON'T SEE THAT. YEAH. RESIDENTS DON'T CARE ABOUT A VALUE SYSTEM OR WHAT KIND OF TREE IT WAS THAT WAS TAKEN DOWN. THEY CARE ABOUT TREES WERE TAKEN DOWN. I ABSOLUTELY, ALL THEY SEE IS GREEN OR NOT GREEN. AN URBAN FORESTER MIGHT SAY THAT THERE IS EQUAL VALUE TO, REGARDLESS OF THE SPECIES, TO SOME, SOME PORTION OF THE WILDLIFE IN THE ECOSYSTEM. AND I AGREE ACTUALLY. SO, UM, YEAH, THAT'S THE ONLY THING I HAD. UM, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY OUR OTHER TOOLS ARE WE CAN, YOU KNOW, REDUCE PERMIT FEES AND, AND POST SALE KIND OF THINGS THAT, UH, REDUCE TAXES AND FOR A WHILE AND ITEMS LIKE THAT. UM, SO YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT ALL INCENTIVE TOOLS. IT'S MORE LIKE NOT THE STATE ONLY STATE AND FEDERAL PROGRAM YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT TOTAL. I'M TALKING ABOUT JUST THIS STATE AND FEDERAL. THIS IS FINE. WE DON'T NEED TO INCREASE THE SCOPE. OH, OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. I WAS JUST SAYING THAT THERE ARE MORE TOOLS THAN THIS, BUT NOT WITHIN THESE CATEGORIES. BUT BACK TO YOUR EARLIER POINT, WE, REGARDLESS OF THESE STATE AND FEDERAL PROGRAMS, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COMMUNICATING OUT TO PEOPLE VERY EASILY, ALL OF THE TOTAL, UM MM-HMM . THINGS THAT WE HAVE, RIGHT. 'CAUSE I MEAN, IF WE HAVE SOMEBODY COMING IN, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT A A WHETHER IT BE AN INDIVIDUAL BUSINESS OWNER, WHETHER IT BE, UM, YOU KNOW, A DEVELOPER, WHATEVER, WHEN THEY COME INTO THE CITY, I WANT THEM TO KNOW THAT WE HAVE A TOOLBOX READY FOR THEM. HEY, LISTEN, THIS IS GARLAND. WE'RE BUSINESS FRIENDLY. I DON'T CARE IF YOU ARE, YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER I HAD A, A, A FRIEND OF MINE THAT WAS OPENING A, A ROOFING SUPPLY BUSINESS, RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DART OVER THERE, DUDE. HE BROUGHT ME A STACK OF PAPERS THIS THICK THEY TOLD HIM TO FILL OUT. HE DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO FILL ANY OF THAT OUT, RIGHT? IT WAS JUST A MESS. I MEAN, THAT'S WHY I LOOK AT WHAT ARE WE DOING TO MAKE GARLAND EASIER TO DO BUSINESS. OKAY. AND IT'S NOT REALLY, IT'S NOT ALWAYS ABOUT THE BIG MULTINATIONAL DEVELOP, RIGHT? A LOT OF IT IS ABOUT JUST THE GUY WHO'S TRYING TO, HEY, I'M JUST A GUY TRYING TO GROW MY BUSINESS. YOU KNOW? UM, AND YOU KNOW, AND HONESTLY I THINK THE SMALLER THE BUSINESS IS, THEN THE MORE IMPORTANT THINGS LIKE THIS ARE BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE ARE COMING IN HERE BLIND MM-HMM . AND IF WE ARE AWARE OF TOOLS AND THIS IS JUST ONE OF THEM, THEN WE CAN PRESENT TO THEM, HEY, WE HAVE A TOOLBOX FOR YOU. WE HAVE, HERE'S AKO. SHE'S GONNA WALK YOU THROUGH ALL THIS . NO, ANDY MENTIONED, WE ARE RIGHT NOW REBUILDING OUR WEBSITE. WE HAVE A WHOLE PAGE OF A WHOLE LIST OF INCENTIVE YEAH. PROGRAM INCLUDING THESE THINGS TOO. PERFECT. SO YES. YEAH, I'D LIKE TO KEEP THE FLOAT ON THE GAS HOPEFULLY BEFORE END OF THIS YEAR. IT'S GONNA BE NEW WEBSITE GONNA BE LAUNCHED. IF IT'S TOO DIFFICULT FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND, THEN THEY'LL JUST DO IT ANYWAYS AND TO THEIR STANDARDS, NOT OURS. UM, ARE THERE ANY ART RELATED INCENTIVES ON EITHER OF THESE LEVELS? THERE ARE NOW , SORRY, THIS, THIS ONE. I'M KIND OF DOING THAT. THAT'S 40 MINUTES. BUT YES, I NEED TO REALLY LOOK INTO WORKING WITH THEM. GREAT JOB. YOU KNOW, THAT'S A GREAT POINT. AND, AND I IRRITATED AT MYSELF FOR NOT THINKING OF IT FIRST. WE COULD THERE THERE ARE, BUT IT'S NOT ADVERTISED THAT WAY. IT'S NOT PROMOTED THAT WAY. THERE, THERE ARE, THERE. LET'S, LET'S, WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT AND THINK ABOUT IT, BUT THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE CAN DO THROUGH THE FRAMEWORK THAT WE CREATED SOME TIME AGO WITH THROUGH THE CULTURAL ARTS, UH, COMMISSION AND, AND THAT DEPARTMENT THAT PEOPLE COULD BE AWARE OF THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY MAY NOT KNOW THAT. UM, FOR EXAMPLE, GOSH, THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER CAN OF WORMS. UM, [01:15:02] THERE, THERE MAY BE SOME VALUE TO A, A POTENTIAL BUSINESS KNOWING THAT WE'RE AN ART FRIENDLY COMMUNITY AND, AND THEREFORE SELECT US BECAUSE OF THAT. IT SAME REASON YOU, YOU GO AND YOU DO THE STATE PROGRAMS, THAT'S ANOTHER STATE PROGRAM THING. MM-HMM. WE COULD PUT, YOU KNOW, ART FRIENDLY, FILM FRIENDLY, MUSIC FRIENDLY, ALL OF THOSE DESIGNATIONS MATTER. THEY DO WORK. UM, SO, UH, THAT'S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. WELL, ANOTHER ED TOOL ALSO ALONG THOSE SIMILAR LINES. UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE PACE IS THE LOAN PROGRAM RELATED TO CLEAN ENERGY, BUT DO WE HAVE INCENTIVES RELATED TO CLEAN TO GREEN CONSTRUCTION AND ALL THAT? NO, WE DO NOT. WE DO NOT. WE SHOULD. WE SHOULD. WE SHOULD. I AGREE. WE SHOULD. YEAH. I MEAN, AND I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE, I'M NOT FAMILIAR. I MEAN, OB I HAVEN'T BEEN INVOLVED ON THE BUSINESS SIDE OF ANYTHING WHERE I WAS INVOLVED IN DOING ANY KIND OF LEADS CONSTRUCTION OR ANYTHING. BUT, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT, LIKE, IS THAT THOSE FEDERAL DESIGNATIONS OR DO THEY ALREADY GET INCENTIVES ELSEWHERE FOR DOING THAT KIND OF CONSTRUCTION? OR IS THAT ALL ON US? IN UP UNTIL MAYBE RECENTLY THEY'VE BEEN TYPICALLY, UH, HUGE, UH, FEDERAL AND STATE INCENTIVE PROGRAMS, EITHER THROUGH THE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, TAX REDUCTIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO IT, THAT MAY BE A LARGE DISCUSSION THAT WE MAY HAVE TO LOOK AT SEPARATELY, THAT THERE'S SOME PRO MY EXPERIENCE, THERE'S SOME PROS AND CONS TO THOSE KIND OF THINGS. THERE'S, THERE'S LEADS IS, IS GREAT AND WE'D LOVE TO BUILD OUR BUILDINGS WITH LEADS, BUT AS A CITY WE DON'T 'CAUSE WE CAN'T AFFORD 'EM. UM, AND SO IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WOULD FACTOR THAT INTO AN ROI WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT BRINGING, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ANOTHER INCENTIVE AND WE END UP WITH A TAX ABATEMENT EQUIVALENT TO THAT. IT'S, IT'S HARMING US IN TERMS OF THAT ROI IN SOME ROUNDABOUT WAY. SO WE MAY HAVE TO PONDER THAT. SUSTAIN THE LAND, SUSTAIN. RIGHT. SO SOME WE, IF THAT'S AN ADDITION, SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD, YOU KNOW, WANNA THROW OUT AT A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM FOR US TO, WE, AND THAT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE IF IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT'S NOT WORTH, IF YOU KNOW WORTH WORTH LOOKING AT, THEN AT LEAST WE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN SAY, HEY, WE LOOKED AT IT AND IT'S JUST NOT, JUST NOT, I BROUGHT, I BROUGHT THAT FORWARD MY FIRST YEAR ON COUNCIL TO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. I REMEMBER THAT. OKAY. UM, AND IT WAS A NO BILL , I GUESS WE DID IT , I BELIEVE IN, IN THE PAST. THERE IS ONE PROJECT, ACTUALLY IT WAS INDUSTRIAL BUILDING, UM, OFF MILLER. THEY BUILT LEAD CERTIFIED MORE, NO, YEAH. LEAD CERTIFIED PRODUCT. AND AT THAT TIME, WE HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL INCENTIVE TO THAT PROJECT, BUT IT JUST, IT'S REALLY OF MORE INCENTIVE INCENTIVIZING THEM TO DO THAT. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, NOTHING IS REALLY SPEC SPECIFIC. OKAY. MM-HMM . ANYTHING ELSE? ANYBODY? MUELLER. ALL RIGHT. ITEM FOUR. ADJOURN. IT IS 6 0 6 AND WE ARE ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.