Sep 15, 2025 Work Session

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SEPTEMBER 15TH, 2025 MEETING OF THE GARLAND CITY COUNCIL. AND TO MY SON, I KNOW HE'S WATCHING AT HOME. NOTHING YOU'D RATHER DO ON HIS FOURTH BIRTHDAY, BUT HAPPY BIRTHDAY. SO. YEAH. FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS PUBLIC COMMENTS ON WORK SESSION ITEMS. MADAM SECRETARY, DO WE HAVE ANY

[ CONSIDER THE CONSENT AGENDA]

[1. 2025 Capital Improvement Program (CIP) Budget Amendment No. 2]

[2. Household Hazardous Waste Interlocal Agreement Renewal FY2025-26]

[3. TXDOT Agreements for State Highway 66 Corridor & Gateway Improvements]

[4. Garland Forward – Update]

THE ITEMS WENT WAY FASTER THAN I THOUGHT IT WOULD. IT DIDN'T GIVE YOU TIME TO FINISH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MAYOR. FOR THE RECORD, NABILA NAIR, DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT. SO, AS YOU ALL ARE AWARE, FOR THE LAST ONE YEAR OR SO, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH OUR CONSULTANT ON THE ON UPDATING OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WE'RE CALLING IT GARLAND FORWARD. THE PROCESS WERE BROKEN INTO FIVE PHASES. THE FIRST ONE WAS ASSESSED. SECOND ONE WAS EXPLORE. THIRD ONE WAS ORGANIZE, PRIORITIZE AND ADOPT. ON THE FIRST PHASE, THE FOCUS WAS KIND OF HAVING INITIAL CONVERSATIONS, SETTING UP THE PROJECT MEETINGS, SETTING UP THE WEBSITE, DOING SOME BASELINE ANALYSIS, IDENTIFYING THE STAKEHOLDERS, HAVING SOME COMMUNITY SURVEYS, ENGAGEMENT PRESENTATIONS, SO ON AND SO FORTH. MORE FROM AN EDUCATIONAL PERSPECTIVE, BOTH FOR THE CONSULTANT TO LEARN ABOUT US AND ALSO THE COMMUNITY TO LEARN ABOUT THE PROCESS. PHASE TWO IS MORE OF WHEN SPECIFIC SURVEYS HAPPENED ON OUR WEBSITE. AS YOU ALL REMEMBER, THERE WERE THREE COMMUNITY SURVEYS FOCUSED ON DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THERE WAS ONE HOUSING SURVEY, AND THERE WERE A FEW MEETINGS WITH PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL, INCLUDING THE PRESENTATION OF LAND USE FISCAL ANALYSIS. SO THOSE WERE KIND OF THE EXPLORE PHASE. AND AT THAT TIME, WE ALSO HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS WITH THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. WE HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE. WE CALL IT CPAC. SO AT THAT TIME THERE WERE THOSE WORKSHOPS DONE WITH CPAC AS WELL. SOME WERE VIRTUAL, SOME WERE IN PERSON, AND ALSO THERE WERE A COUPLE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT EVENTS WHERE PEOPLE COULD COME IN. THERE WERE SOME EXERCISES AND ACTIVITIES FOR THEM TO DO. I'LL SAY THIS. THE SURVEYS, WE DID GET GOOD RESPONSES ONLINE. THE IN-PERSON EVENTS WERE NOT AS WELL ATTENDED AS WE HOPED IT WOULD, BUT WE ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT IT WHEN IT'S A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND NOT REALLY A PROJECT THAT PEOPLE SEE IMPACTING THEM DIRECTLY AND IMMEDIATELY, THERE MAY BE A LITTLE BIT OF LESS WORRY OR FEAR FOR THEM TO COME OUT AND SPEAK THEIR MINDS. BUT WE DO THINK WE GOT GOOD INPUT THAT ALIGNS WITH WHAT WE ALREADY KNOW OUR COMMUNITY WANTS AND IS. THE THIRD PHASE IS THE ORGANIZE PHASE. AT THAT TIME, THE OUTLINE OF THE PLAN WAS DEVELOPED, AND TWO OF THE MOST IMPORTANT COMPONENT, WHICH IS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY ONE OF THE KEY COMPONENT OF ANY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO THAT WAS DEVELOPED JUST THE DRAFT. AND ANOTHER COMPONENT WAS A SPECTRUM OF CHANGE MAP THAT ONE. AND I'LL SHOW YOU A DRAFT OF A DRAFT OF BOTH IN THIS PRESENTATION. BUT THOSE MAPS WERE SENT TO STAFF. WE LOOKED AT IT. WE PROVIDED OUR COMMENTS JUST TO HAVE THE INITIAL CONVERSATION GOING, WHAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE THE LAND USE TYPES? WHAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE THE PLACE TYPES, BUILDING TYPES,

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THESE AREAS SHOULD JUST BE PRESERVED THE WAY THEY ARE. SO ALL THOSE ELEMENTS HAPPEN BETWEEN THOSE TWO MAPS. AND THOSE ARE IN THE DRAFT STAGE RIGHT NOW ON THAT PHASE. ALSO, THE CONVERSATION WITH TRANSPORTATION GROUP ABOUT THE MOBILITY COMPONENT HAPPENED.

AND WE ALSO HAD MANY, MANY MEETINGS WITH STAFF. THE PHASE THREE WAS SUPPOSED TO END WAS SUPPOSED TO BE FROM APRIL OF 2025 TO JUNE 2025. THERE ARE SOME REASONS WHY THIS WAS DELAYED A LITTLE BIT. ONE OF THE BIG REASONS WAS OUR INTENT TO COORDINATE WITH SOME OTHER ONGOING STUDIES, SO THAT ALL THESE PLANS AND INITIATIVES AND STUDIES THAT WE'RE DOING AS A CITY, THEY CAN COME TOGETHER AND ALIGN RATHER THAN HAVING SEPARATE PLANS. ALL THAT HAVE DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATIONS, DIFFERENT VISION THAT DON'T SPEAK TO EACH OTHER. SO THAT'S WHERE WE PAUSED A LITTLE BIT AFTER THIS PRESENTATION, YOU'LL HEAR FROM CCEEB ABOUT THE HOUSING STUDIES OF VIRGINITY AND CB HAVE BEEN COORDINATING VERY, VERY CLOSELY FOR THE LAST FEW MONTHS TO MAKE SURE THE HOUSING RELATED RECOMMENDATION, THE DEMOGRAPHIC RELATED RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ON THE COMP PLAN WOULD BE KIND OF ALIGNED WITH THE FINDINGS AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE HOUSING STUDY AS WELL. AGAIN, THESE ARE TWO DIFFERENT STUDIES, TWO DIFFERENT PLANS. OUR GOAL IS TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE CONSISTENT SO THAT WE CAN MOVE THEM FORWARD WITHOUT HAVING CONFLICTING GOALS. SO THAT CAUSED A LITTLE BIT OF DELAY. SO I WOULD SAY WE'RE STILL IN PHASE THREE WHICH IS ABOUT TO END NOW. AND THAT HAS CAUSED THE ENTIRE SCHEDULE TO SHIFT JUST JUST TWO MONTHS. SO ONCE AFTER TONIGHT'S PRESENTATION OF CCEEB, WE'LL HAVE A LOT MORE SPECIFIC GUIDELINE TO PROVIDE TO VIRGINITY ABOUT THE THE PATH THAT WE'RE TAKING WITH CCEEB SO THAT THERE'S SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE WAY THEY PLANNED THE COMP PLAN TO MOVE FORWARD. AND INITIALLY, THERE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE PRIORITIZED AND ADOPTED THE PRIORITIZED PHASE. WE WE WERE GOING TO LOOK INTO THE PLAN, TEXT AND GRAPHICS. THE DRAFT PLAN WAS GOING TO BE LOOKED AT BY STAFF, BY THE PUBLIC. THERE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE WORKSHOP WITH PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL. SO ALL ALL OF THAT WILL HAPPEN IN PHASE FOUR, WHICH IS COMING IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS. AND THE LAST PHASE WAS THE ADOPT PHASE, WHICH WAS SUPPOSED THE ADOPTION WAS ORIGINALLY ENVISIONED TO BE IN MARCH OF 2026, AND RIGHT NOW WE ARE TREADING FOR MAY 2026.

SO JUST A LITTLE BIT OF DELAY OF TWO MONTHS. THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT. I WANTED TO KIND OF GO OVER A LITTLE BIT ON SOME MORE SPECIFICS ABOUT WHAT ARE SOME OF THE KEY THINGS THAT WE HAVE HIT SO FAR WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AS I'VE ALREADY SAID, SEVERAL SURVEYS, PUBLIC INPUT, PUBLIC INPUT PROCESS, AND ONE OF THE BIG ANALYSIS THAT IS PART OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BECAUSE IT'S VERY MUCH FOCUSED ON FISCAL GROWTH AND SUSTAINABILITY OF THE COMMUNITY. SO BACK IN JANUARY EARLY THIS YEAR, PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL HAD A WORKSHOP WHERE THE LAND USE FISCAL ANALYSIS WAS PRESENTED BY VIRGINITY. SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE MAJOR, MAJOR STEPS IN ONE OF THE EARLIER PHASES WE HAVE. STAFF HAS COORDINATED EXTENSIVELY WITH VIRGINITY ON BOTH THE DRAFT FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND SPECTRUM OF CHANGE MAP. AND WHEN I SAY STAFF, IT INCLUDES PLANNING. IT INCLUDES ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDES BECKY'S TEAM, NEIGHBORHOOD AND VITALITY TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERING. SO THAT TEAM HAS BEEN HAS BEEN WORKING TIRELESSLY ON GIVING INPUT ON THE DRAFT MAPS. THERE IS A COMPONENT OF MARKET COMPETITIVENESS ANALYSIS, AND THAT IS KIND OF FOCUSED ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. SO A DRAFT REPORT HAS BEEN GENERATED BY VIRGINITY. EDDIE HAS BEEN REVIEWING IT, HAS PROVIDED THEM A LOT OF COMMENTNTS, THE DRAFT F PLACE TYPES. AND WHEN YOU THINK OF PLACE TYPES, WHEN WE MAKE ZONING CASE RECOMMENDATIONS, WE OFTEN REFER TO, OH, ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. RIGHT NOW, THIS AREA IS DESIGNATED AS NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER OR THIS AREA IS DESIGNATED AS COMMUNITY CENTER. AND THEN WE REFER WHETHER OR NOT THAT ZONING CASE KIND OF MEETS THE INTENT OF THAT LAND USE CATEGORY. SO WHEN YOU SEE SEE PLACE TYPES AND BUILDING TYPES, THOSE ARE THE NEW DESIGNATIONS THAT ARE GOING TO COME UP WITH THIS NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AGAIN, A BIG COORDINATION HAS BEEN HAPPENING ON THE HOUSING STUDY.

YOU ALL ARE YOU ALL MAY BE AWARE THAT WE ARE ALSO WORKING ON A DOWNTOWN ACTIVATION PLAN,

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IN THE DOWNTOWN PLAN, THERE IS A MOBILITY COMPONENT THAT IS CURRENTLY WORKING ON, AND THEY'RE COORDINATING WITH OUR TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT. AND ALSO WE HAVE OFFERED SOME EDUCATIONAL COMPONENTS. EARLIER THIS YEAR, THERE WERE A FEW WORKSHOPS ON 12 STEPS OF TOWN MAKING. THOSE EDUCATIONAL COMPONENTS WERE OFFERED TO DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS SO THAT THEY CAN LEARN ABOUT INCREMENTAL DEVELOPMENT. BECAUSE THE COMP PLAN ALREADY RECOGNIZES THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE VERY HEAVY ON REDEVELOPMENT, AND INCREMENTAL IS GOING TO BE ONE WAY OF ADDRESSING SOME OF THE REDEVELOPMENT STRATEGIES. AGAIN, WE HAD TO DO SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO THE SCHEDULE AND TO THE SCOPE, BUT I FEEL PRETTY, PRETTY COMFORTABLE WITH WHERE WE ARE AT RIGHT NOW. HERE ARE THE DRAFT MAPS. AND AGAIN, THE PURPOSE OF TONIGHT IS NOT TO NOT TO GIVE A PRESENTATION ON WHAT THESE MAPS ARE OR WHAT THESE CATEGORIES ARE. WE CAN DEFINITELY DO THAT AT A LATER DATE. BUT I WANTED TO SHOW YOU THAT THESE MAPS ARE IN PLACE.

THE ONE ON THE LEFT SIDE THAT HAS MULTIPLE COLORS. AS YOU CAN SEE, THESE HAVE NEW CATEGORIES THAT ARE DIFFERENT FROM HOW WE ARE USED TO SEEING IT IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND VERY MUCH FOCUSED ON OUR SPECIFIC VISIONS. FOR EXAMPLE, ALONG ALONG I-30, ALONG 635, ALONG 190, WE HAVE A CATEGORY NAME REGIONAL DESTINATION. AND WE HAVE IDENTIFIED THOSE AREAS AS IT'S NOT SPECIFIC WHAT WE WANT IN THOSE AREAS, BUT WE WANT TO HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE GOING TO CATER TO ATTRACT REGIONAL PEOPLE TO THOSE AREAS SO THAT THESE CAN BECOME DESTINATIONS. AND THESE THREE COULD BECOME DIFFERENT DESTINATIONS. ONE COULD BE SPORTS ORIENTED, THE OTHER ONE COULD BE LAKE ORIENTED, THE OTHER ONE COULD BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT. BUT WE WANTED TO HAVE THOSE VISION INCLUDED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND SO THAT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE. SO THESE CATEGORIES WILL HAVE NEW NAMES THAT WE'LL SHOW YOU AT A LATER DATE. AND ON THE RIGHT SIDE YOU SEE THE DRAFT SPECTRUM OF CHANGE MAP WHICH IDENTIFIES THE AREAS FOR HEY, THESE ARE IN GOOD SHAPE. WE NEED TO WORK ON PRESERVING THIS. THESE ARE OKAY, BUT EVENTUALLY WE NEED TO FOCUS ON OR INVEST ON INCREMENTAL ENHANCEMENTS. OH, THESE AREAS ARE IN KIND OF OKAY SHAPE, BUT IT NEEDS SOME PRIORITIZED INVESTMENTS IN THOSE AREAS. SO IT'S KIND OF I LOOK AT IT AS AN AS A MAP THAT WILL HELP US DETERMINE FROM A PROGRAM STANDPOINT OR FROM AN INVESTMENT STANDPOINT WHERE WE NEED TO FOCUS IN THE CITY. SO THOSE ARE THE TWO BIG MAPS THAT ARE IN THE DRAFT FORMAT RIGHT NOW. SO WHAT TO EXPECT NEXT? THERE ARE MORE C-PAC MEETINGS THAT ARE GOING TO HAPPEN. WE'RE GOING TO FINALIZE THE COORDINATION WITH ALL OTHER RELEVANT PLANS IN THE NEXT MONTH. SO I'M GETTING LIKE KIND OF BITE SIZED PIECES FROM VIRGINITY OF THE DRAFT PLAN. AND WE SEND IT TO THE ENTIRE TEAM. THEY LOOK AT IT. SO THE THE PLAN IS GOING TO START. THEY'RE GOING TO START SUBMITTING THE DRAFT IN THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS. AND THAT'S GOING TO BE KIND OF THE BIGGEST LIFT FROM BOTH VIRGINITY SIZE SIDE AND STAFF SIDE TO MAKE SURE, HEY, EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY, EVERYTHING WE HAVE SEEN IN THE SURVEY, EVERYTHING THAT WE KNOW THAT THE CITY NEEDS ARE REFLECTED ON THE PLAN WITH SPECIFIC ACTIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS. WE'RE LOOKING INTO PROVIDING MORE AND MORE UPDATES TO PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL. AT THIS POINT, I'LL BE PRESENTING KIND OF THE SIMILAR THING TO PLAN COMMISSION NEXT WEEK, AND THEN I THINK IN COUPLE MONTHS, ONCE WE ONCE WE HAVE SOMEWHAT OF A DRAFT PLAN AND IT HAS BEEN REVIEWED PRIMARILY BY STAFF, WILL BE WILL BE COMING BACK TO Y'ALL AND SEEKING INPUT FROM YOU ALL. AND AS I MENTIONED, MAY 2026 IS NOW THE ADOPTION GOAL. AND WITH THAT, I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS? AWESOME. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM I THANK YOU, SIR. EXCELLENT PRESENTATION BY THE WAY.

QUESTION FOR YOU. DO YOU HAVE A HIGH RESOLUTION VERSION OF THAT DRAFT SPECTRUM OF CHANGE? I DO.

OKAY. AND IS THERE A WAY THAT WE COULD HAVE THAT OVERLAID WITH THE OTHER DISTRICTS ON THAT. YEAH, WE CAN CREATE IT OKAY. YES, WE CAN CREATE THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR.

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I'M NOT AWARE OTHER CARRIERS. THAT INCLUDES THE TERM SPECTRUM, BUT NO, NO, THEY DON'T INCLUDE THE TERM SPECTRUM. BUT THEY THEY HAVE THEIR OWN TERMINOLOGY. TERMINOLOGY. OKAY. SO SO WOULD YOU JUST FOLLOW UP. YES. AND ABSOLUTELY TO MAKE SURE OKAY. BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO PUT THAT MAP OUT THERE AND CAUSE CONFUSION. CAUSE CONFUSION. ABSOLUTELY. I'LL LOOK INTO IT.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU SIR. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMAS, WHEN YOU SAY SPECTRUM ON THIS MAP, YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE CABLE COMPANY. NO, NO I'M NOT, ABSOLUTELY NOT. NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT. I DON'T I THINK THAT WAS BUT I SEE I SEE THE COUNCIL.

COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS POINT. IT COULD BE CONFUSING THAT WE'RE TYING THOSE TWO TOGETHER. YES.

THAT'S NOT WHAT YOUR INTENTION WAS AT ALL. SPECTRUM IN THE GENERIC SENSE. CORRECT. THE VERY GENERIC SENSE. OKAY. ON THE WHAT TO EXPECT NEXT. YOU SEE FINAL COORDINATION WITH ALL OTHER RELEVANT STUDIES. CAN YOU ENUMERATE SOME OF THOSE, PRIMARILY THE HOUSING STUDY THAT IS ABOUT TO PRESENT TO YOU AFTER THIS PRESENTATION, THAT ONE WE WANT TO FINALIZE THAT COORDINATION AND ALSO THE DOWNTOWN ACTIVATION PLAN. THOSE ARE THE TWO. AND MOBILITY IS NOT A MOBILITY IS PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. BUT WE ARE WORKING WITH TRANSPORTATION ON THAT. SO WE WANT TO LOCK IN THAT COORDINATION AS WELL. OKAY. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU SIR. MAYOR PRO TEM LUCHT, WILL YOU GO BACK TO THE CALENDAR. AND MY QUESTION IS WILL YOU BE THERE WILL BE PUBLIC REVIEWS, BUT WILL YOU HAVE ANY MORE PUBLIC INPUT OPPORTUNITIES? NOT IN THE THE THE GENERAL SENSE OF PUBLIC INPUT, BUT WHEN I LIKE WHEN THERE'S PUBLIC REVIEW, I ALWAYS SEE IT AS WE'RE SHOWING THEM SOMETHING. AND THEN THERE WILL I'M ALWAYS READY THAT THERE WILL BE SOME COMMENTS THAT TO A CERTAIN DEGREE, WE SHOULD CONSIDER UPDATING IN THE PLAN. SO I SEE IT MORE AS A REVIEW, BUT I'M OPEN TO HAVING SOME COMMENTS. SO WHAT DOES THE PUBLIC REVIEW PROCESS LOOK LIKE? WILL IT BE MULTIPLE PRESENTATIONS OR IS IT JUST A PUBLIC HEARING LIKE AT A COUNCIL MEETING? IT COULD BE.

IT COULD BE SEPARATE THINGS. THERE ARE THEY'RE ALL LISTED ON THE ON THE SCOPE, BUT WE CAN EXPAND IT IF NEEDED. SO IT'S MORE OF THE THE PLAN WILL BE THE DRAFT WILL BE AVAILABLE ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WEBSITE. AND WE CAN HAVE A LINK WHERE PUBLIC CAN GO IN AND PUT THEIR COMMENTS IN. AND THERE WILL BE PRESENTATIONS MULTIPLE TO PLAN, COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL WHERE THE PUBLIC CAN COME IN AND SPEAK AS WELL. OKAY, I JUST WHEN DALLAS WENT THROUGH THIS

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[5. Preliminary Housing Market Analysis Presentation by CZB]

THAT INBOX WE HOPE LOOKS A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY. WE CALL IT, I CALL IT GARLAND'S CHALLENGE.

BUT THESE THESE TWO PRESENTATIONS, THESE TWO DOCUMENTS THAT ARE REALLY A CALL TO ACTION AND LAYING A FOUNDATION FOR US FOR ACTION ARE, ARE REALLY ARE REALLY JUST THE FOUNDATION FOR HOW WE'RE GOING TO OVERCOME GARLAND'S CHALLENGE OVER THE, OVER THE COMING DECADES. AND SO I'M EXCITED FOR YOU TO HEAR THIS PRESENTATION TONIGHT IS KIND OF LIKE GOING TO THE DOCTOR. WE KNOW WE'VE GOT SOME SYMPTOMS. WE KNOW WE'VE GOT SOME CHALLENGES. YOU GO TO THE DOCTOR, THEY KIND OF DIAGNOSE YOU AND YOU GET A PRESCRIPTION.

IT'S REALLY WHAT YOU'RE GETTING. TONIGHT IS THE FIRST TAKE ON ON. AND IT'S CALLED A HOUSING MARKET ANALYSIS. BUT YOU'LL YOU'LL LEARN IT'S MUCH MORE DEEPER THAN THAT. AND IT'S ALMOST LIKE IF THE, IF GARLAND FOR THE COMP PLAN IS FLYING OVER AT 30,000FT, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT FURTHER DOWN, A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO THE GROUND IN TERMS OF WHAT WE SEE HAPPENING IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. ACROSS YOUR COUNCIL DISTRICTS. AND IT'S REALLY GOING TO BE A GOOD A GOOD DIAGNOSIS AND A LITTLE BIT OF PRESCRIPTION TO FOLLOW. SO I KNOW THE TEAM'S BEEN WORKING HARD ON THIS, AND YOU GUYS ARE REALLY GOING TO GET GET A GOOD DOSE OF IT TONIGHT. SO THERE YOU GO. COUNCIL I'M BECKY KING, MANAGING DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY AND NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT. I'M AMBER LYNCH WITH CVB. LET'S JUST JUMP RIGHT IN. JUMP RIGHT IN. MAYOR MOVE THAT MICROPHONE SIR. JUST MOVE THAT MICROPHONE UP CLOSE SO WE CAN HEAR YOU AND JUMP RIGHT IN. YES. ROGER THAT. MAYOR. COUNCIL, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US. IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE. IT'S MY FOURTH TIME IN GARLAND. I HAD THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY. MY WIFE AND I WERE DRIVING ACROSS COUNTRY IN MARCH AND DETOURED THROUGH HERE TO GET THE FIRST LOOK AT THE CITY WENT UP AND DOWN QUITE A NUMBER OF STREETS ON THAT FIRST VISIT. IT STUCK WITH ME, SO HOPEFULLY IT'S BEEN HELPFUL IN OUR UNDERSTANDING. SOME OF THE QUANTITATIVE DATA IN THE SUBSEQUENT MONTHS. SO WE'VE GOT QUITE, QUITE A BIT OF MATERIAL TO COVER. WE'LL TRY TO DO IT AS EXPEDITIOUSLY AS POSSIBLE. PLEASE ABSOLUTELY STOP US AT ANY MOMENT. IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE GONE, GONE THROUGH TOO QUICKLY OR NOT BEEN CLEAR ENOUGH. ABSOLUTELY.

PLEASE DO THAT. SO I THINK THE BEFORE WE GET GOING, THE THE PHYSICIAN'S VISIT, THE DIAGNOSTIC IS NOT A BAD, YOU KNOW, COMMENT. WE COULD SUM UP ALL OUR SLIDES AND GO GO HAVE A COCKTAIL INSTEAD. IF I JUST SIMPLY SAID EAT YOUR SPINACH, YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S THERE'S A LOT OF EAT YOUR SPINACH IN IN THE, IN THE SUBTEXT. BUT YOU ACTUALLY WANT TO KNOW WHY. SO WE'LL, WE'LL BE SURE TO DO THAT BEFORE WE JUMP RIGHT IN. I THINK A COUPLE OF POINTS THAT MAY HELP YOU. AS A RULE OF THUMB, CERTAINLY THEY'VE HELPED ME OVER THE YEARS. FIRST IS YOU AND YOU MAY BE FULLY AWARE OF THESE, BUT I USE THEM AS SHORTHAND. RIGHT. SO RULE OF THIRDS. RIGHT. GENERALLY SPEAKING, YOU KNOW, A DOLLAR IN INCOME BUYS $3 IN HOUSE, OKAY.

IT CHANGES AS INTEREST RATES CHANGE. BUT IF YOU'RE JUST THINKING LIKE TRYING TO ACCESS, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTANDING HOUSING RIGHT. THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S A GREAT RULE. RIGHT? A DOLLAR OF INCOME BUYS $3 OF HOUSE. RIGHT. AND ANOTHER WAY THAT YOU CAN APPLY THE RULE OF THIRDS RIGHT,

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CAN'T AFFORD A $1,000 A MONTH APARTMENT. THAT'S THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO THINK ABOUT IT.

OKAY. THAT'S HOW THE RULE OF THIRDS WORKS. OKAY. AND THEN FINALLY, THERE'S ONE OTHER SORT OF RULE TO KEEP IN THE IN YOUR HIP POCKET. RIGHT. IT'S NOT A PERFECT RULE. IT CHANGES. BUT WHEN YOU TRY TO WHEN A DEVELOPER TRIES TO BUILD A UNIT, BUILD A HOUSING UNIT, RIGHT.

LET'S SAY A RENTAL UNIT, WHATEVER IT COSTS, RIGHT? TO BUY THE LAND BY THE LABOR, BY THE MATERIALS, CONSTRUCT THE BUILDING, GET IT UP AND RUNNING, AND THEN MANAGE IT RIGHT. 1% OF THAT COST IS ABOUT WHAT YOU CAN EXPECT THE RENT TO BE OKAY. IF IT'S. AND SO IT'S ACTUALLY IT'S IT'S A LITTLE LOWER ON THE NEW SIDE, BUT IT GIVES YOU A GOOD SENSE OF THINGS. RIGHT. SO YOU CAN YOU CAN WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THE NUMBERS. BUT IF YOU START WITH A REALITY WHICH IS IT'S VERY HARD TO DO A UNIT OF RENTAL HOUSING TO BUILD AND, YOU KNOW, TO DEVELOP IT FOR LESS THAN $250,000, 1% OF THAT IS $2,500, RIGHT. AND SO $2,500 A MONTH IN RENT REQUIRES $90,000 IN INCOME. RIGHT. AND SO IT ACTUALLY TURNS OUT, YOU KNOW, THAT THOSE CAN HELP YOU NAVIGATE, LIKE WHEN YOU'RE PICKING UP, YOU KNOW, THE NEWSPAPER OR READING, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT LISTINGS. THOSE ARE JUST REALLY GOOD RULES OF THUMB OKAY. SO WE'LL WE'LL FLIP THROUGH THE SLIDES HERE OKAY OKAY. SO LET'S SEE WE HAVE ABOUT YOU KNOW 20 TO 30 MINUTES.

WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH AS EXPEDITIOUSLY AS POSSIBLE. I TOLD WE HAVE A MINUTE OR TWO AFTER THE PRESENTATION FOR Q&A. SO ANY ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE WE'LL DO OUR VERY BEST TO ANSWER. I DO WANT TO MAKE AN ACKNOWLEDGMENT HERE. I'VE BEEN DOING THIS. I FOUNDED THE FIRM 24 YEARS AGO. WE'VE HAD MORE THAN 400 CLIENTS. I HAVE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE SUPER RARE CLIENT AND PRIVILEGE FOR US TO HAVE WORKED WITH GARLAND CITY STAFF. WE'VE HAD SOME WORLD CLASS TALENT AND A NUMBER OF AMERICANS, A NUMBER OF CITIES ACROSS THE UNITED STATES, AND.

JUDD STAFF, ANDY, JACOB, BECKY, JASON, MONA, NABILA ACROSS THE BOARD. JUST SUPER TALENTED AND I WOULD SAY WE HAVE RARELY BEEN ASKED AS DIFFICULT, PROBING QUESTIONS FROM CLIENT STAFF, EVER QUITE AS HARD PRESSED AS THIS CITY HAS. AND SO JUST OUR WE WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IT'S A GREAT STAFF MAYOR. OKAY. SO LET'S SEE. LET'S GO TO NEXT SLIDE HERE THE PROJECT WE LAUNCHED IN LATE SPRING EARLY SUMMER. IT'S DIVIDED INTO THREE PHASES. THE FIRST PHASE WAS REALLY JUST TO UNDERSTAND THE GARLAND HOUSING MARKET PRETTY MUCH, YOU KNOW, BUT IN THE CONTEXT OF THE REGION. RIGHT. SO THAT'S THE FIRST PHASE. IT'S AT 95% ACTUALLY IT'S 100%. BUT I PUT 95 BECAUSE WE'RE WE JUST WANT TO LEAVE ROOM FOR SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE YET TO LEARN. RIGHT. SO IT'S FINISHED BUT IT'S NOT FINISHED. THE SECOND PHASE REALLY IS TO TAKE WHAT WE LEARNED ABOUT HOW GARLAND SITS OR RESIDES IN THE REGION, RIGHT? AND THEN WORK IT DOWN TO A FINER GRAIN, A LITTLE BIT MORE GRANULARITY, AND LOOK STRICTLY AT THE NEIGHBORHOODS WITHIN THE CITY OF GARLAND. HOW DO THEY MATCH UP? IN THE SAME WAY THAT WE WANT TO ASK THE QUESTION, HOW DOES GARLAND SIT WITH RESPECT TO THE COUNTY WITH RESPECT TO THE REGION? HOW DOES CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU KNOW IN GARLAND SIT WITHIN GARLAND ITSELF? AND SO THAT'S THE SECOND PHASE. WE'RE, YOU KNOW, 9/10 OF THE WAY THERE. AND AGAIN, WE'RE JUST LEAVING ROOM TO CONTINUE TO LEARN MORE. AND WE'RE PIVOTING NOW TO THIS THIRD PHASE, WHICH IS WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT IT, OR AT LEAST WHAT ARE OUR WHAT ARE OUR THOUGHTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS TO YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE NEXT SLIDE. TIME WISE AND SCHEDULE WISE. WE'RE A LITTLE BIT DELAYED FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. BUT WE'RE CLOSING IN ON ON THE FINISH LINE. AND SO BASED ON YOUR FEEDBACK TONIGHT, INFORMATION THAT YOU CAN PROVIDE US THE KINDS OF QUESTIONS YOU ASK AND OUR SENSE OF DIRECTION THAT YOU PROVIDE TO US WILL BE ABLE TO TIGHTEN UP THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND STRATEGY WITH EXPEDITION. NEXT SLIDE. SO A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AT THE FRONT END. WHY STUDY THE HOUSING MARKET NOW. NUMBER ONE IS TO UNDERSTAND THE CONNECTION OF THE HOUSING MARKET TO THE CITY'S FISCAL CONDITION. AND SO AMBER IS GOING TO POINT OUT IN THE MIDDLE SECTION, I JUST THINK REPEATEDLY TONIGHT, THERE'S A STRAIGHT LINE BETWEEN THE HOUSING MARKET AND THE BALANCE SHEET OF THE CITY, RIGHT? WHETHER YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE GENERAL FUND, YOUR CIP, YOU KNOW, ANY PARTICULAR OTHER FUNDS YOU HAVE, THERE'S JUST A STRAIGHT LINE, RIGHT? AND IT'S NOT JUST A STRAIGHT LINE TO THE CITY'S FISCAL POSITION. IT'S A

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COUNCILMEMBER LUCK, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? OKAY, RIGHT. SO WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST TO YOU IS THE ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS HAVE A DIRECT IT'S A STRAIGHT LINE TO HOUSING RIGHT NOW. IT'S A FEEDBACK LOOP, RIGHT. IT'S NOT JUST ONE DIRECTIONAL BUT IT IS. THERE IS A STRAIGHT LINE OKAY. SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN, I THINK, SORT OUT SOME OF THAT STUFF THAT WOULD HELP YOU SORT OUT SOME OF THESE THINGS. OKAY. NEXT SLIDE. SO THIS IS THIS IS ACTUALLY KIND OF A ALMOST THE WHOLE SLIDE DECK IN ONE SLIDE IN SOME SORT OF WEIRD WAY. RIGHT. SO THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO SLIDES. ONE'S A MAP WILL SHOW YOU AND ONE'S THIS SLIDE. BUT IT'S THE ONLY TWO SLIDES YOU SAW IF THIS WAS ONE OF THEM RIGHT. YOU CAN ACTUALLY LEARN A LOT RIGHT. SO WHAT YOU SEE THERE FOR INSTANCE YOU SEE THOSE DOTTED LINES THERE. THAT'S YOUR FAIR SHARE RIGHT.

SO IF WE GO TO THIRD COLUMN FROM THE LEFT OKAY. SECOND COLUMN FROM THE RIGHT, SIT DOWN OR MID UPSCALE RESTAURANTS. RIGHT OKAY. WHAT YOU'VE GOT IS SOME NUMBER LOWER RIGHT THAN WHAT WOULD BE YOUR FAIR SHARE. RIGHT. IF WE LOOK AT THE REGION RIGHT. WE LOOK AT YOUR, YOUR YOUR DISTRIBUTION OF HOUSEHOLDS, THE DISTRIBUTION OF INCOMES. RIGHT. WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING IS YOU DON'T HAVE YOUR FAIR SHARE OF SIT DOWN RESTAURANTS. RIGHT. YOU'RE LIGHT ON THAT.

OKAY. AND WHY IS THAT RIGHT? YOUR DEMOGRAPHIC COMPLEXION AND YOUR HOUSING MATCH UP IN A WAY THAT GIVE IT LEAVES YOU SHORT ON THAT END, RIGHT? IF YOU GO TO THE OTHER SIDE OF IT, RIGHT, YOU'VE GOT $19 STORES, RIGHT? WHICH IS SIX MORE THAN ON A FAIR SHARE BASIS. YOU WOULD HAVE. RIGHT. WHEREAS YOU CAN LOOK, FOR INSTANCE, AT YOUR COMPETITION, YOU KNOW, IN THIS TIGHT SORT OF THE SUB COMPETITION IN NORTH DALLAS COUNTY. RIGHT. AND YOU CAN SEE THAT SOME OF YOUR COMPETITION HAS LESS THAN THEIR FAIR SHARE OF DOLLAR STORES. SO WHEN YOU HAVE MORE OR LESS THAN YOUR FAIR SHARE OF FILL IN THE BLANK RETAIL, RIGHT, IT'S AN INDICATION THAT YOU HAVE A PROFILE DEMOGRAPHICALLY RIGHT, THAT'S GOING TO CONNECT TO YOUR YOUR BALANCE SHEET AND YOUR FISCAL CHALLENGES. RIGHT. YOUR CAPACITY TO PAY FOR ROADS, YOUR CAPACITY TO PAY FOR INFRASTRUCTURE UPGRADES AND SO FORTH MAKE SENSE? RIGHT. SO IN MANY RESPECTS, WHILE WE'RE NOT HAVEN'T EVEN TALKED ABOUT HOUSING YET, THIS SLIDE ACTUALLY GIVES YOU A HUGE CLUE ABOUT WHERE YOUR HOUSING MARKET IS. AND IT ASKS YOU A CRITICAL QUESTION, RIGHT. DO YOU WANT THESE BAR CHARTS TO CHANGE? RIGHT. AND THEN IF YOU WANT THESE BAR CHARTS TO CHANGE, HOW BADLY DO YOU WANT THESE BAR CHARTS TO CHANGE? AND IF YOU WANT THESE BAR CHARTS TO CHANGE AND YOU WANT THEM TO IF YOU WANT IT BADLY, WHAT ARE YOU WILLING TO DO TO MAKE THIS BAR CHARTS CHANGE? IN MANY RESPECTS. WE COULD STOP AND NOT SHOW YOU ANY MORE HOUSE, ANY HOUSING DATA AT ALL. AND YOU KNOW A LOT ABOUT YOUR HOUSING MARKET, RIGHT? YOU CAN DEDUCE A LOT. OKAY, SO I'M GOING TO TURN THIS OVER TO AMBER. SHE'S GOING TO WALK YOU THROUGH A SOMEWHAT DETAILED LEVEL OF SOME OF THE STATISTICAL FINDINGS. THE MATH IS WAY ABOVE ME, AND THEN WE'LL PASS IT OVER TO ME AT THE END, BECAUSE I CAN TELL A STORY AND I'LL TRY TO TELL A STORY. THANKS, CHARLES. JUST ONE THING TO NOTE BEFORE I DIVE IN. SO WE

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IF YOU DON'T HAVE A COPY OF IT ALREADY, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO DIVE INTO THAT. WE'VE REORGANIZED IT.

I FORGOT TO BRING THEM. I WAS SUPPOSED TO BRING THEM. SO WE'LL GET THEM TO YOU. THEY HAVE THEM. WE'VE REORGANIZED IT A BIT AND SO IT DOESN'T GO QUE IN THE SAME ORDER, BUT EVERYTHING IS THERE, SO YOU CAN REFER BACK TO IT AS YOU GO. THE FIRST POINT THAT WE REALLY WANT TO MAKE TONIGHT IS THAT GARLAND IS AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING MARKET, PARTICULARLY WITHIN THE DALLAS REGION, WHICH IS GROWING EXPONENTIALLY, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, PRICES ARE RISING FOR HOUSING. GARLAND OFFERS AFFORDABLE PRICE POINTS FOR OWNERS AND RENTERS, AND IT SHOULD PROBABLY SAY AND INSTEAD OF BUT AND THIS IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT'S CHANGING. IT'S CHANGING ACROSS THE COUNTRY. IT'S CHANGING REGIONALLY AND IT'S CHANGING IN GARLAND. SO ON THE OWNER SIDE, THE INCOME THAT YOU NEED TO AFFORD TO BUY A HOUSE IN GARLAND IS MORE THAN IT USED TO BE. YOU'RE STILL YOU STILL HAVE A PRETTY HEALTHY RATIO. WE LOOK AT VALUE TO INCOME, RIGHT. SO IF IF WE CONSIDER IT TO BE AFFORDABLE, IF YOU'RE SPENDING A THIRD OF YOUR INCOME ON YOUR HOUSING COSTS. SO WE WANT THAT RATIO TO BE AROUND A THREE. SO EXISTING HOMEOWNERS IN GARLAND ARE PROBABLY DOING OKAY. NOT ALL OF THEM NOT EVERYWHERE. BUT FOR THE MOST PART, GENERALLY SPEAKING. NOW, IF THEY WANTED TO BUY A NEW HOUSE IN GARLAND, HOWEVER, THAT'S STARTING TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A STRETCH. RIGHT? AND NEW BUYERS COMING INTO THE MARKET ARE FEELING THAT SAME RUB, WHERE IT'S GETTING MORE EXPENSIVE TO AFFORD TO BUY A HOME. SO ALONGSIDE THAT, ON THE RENTAL SIDE OF THE EQUATION, THE JUMP FROM GOING FROM BEING A RENTER TO BEING A BUYER, THERE'S A THERE'S A BIGGER JUMP THAT YOU HAVE TO MAKE IN TERMS OF INCOME IN ORDER TO AFFORD TO BUY AND OWN A HOME THAN YOU USED TO HAVE TO DO NOW. INCOME TO WHERE YOUR RENT RATES ARE AT THAT GAP. AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE THE LINE CHART ON THE LEFT, THAT'S STAYED ABOUT THE SAME OVER TIME IS THAT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT RENTER HOUSEHOLDS ARE EARNING AND WHAT THEY NEED TO BE EARNING IN ORDER TO AFFORD RENT.

YOU STILL HAVE COST BURDENED HOUSEHOL, THOUGH, ESPECIALLY IN THE RENTER CATEGORY. SO IF I'M EARNING LESS THAN 50,000 A YEAR, I'M PAYING MORE THAN 30% OF MY INCOME TO AFFORD RENT.

AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WANT TO PAY ATTENTION TO. THE OTHER THING THAT WE THE OTHER POINT THAT WE WANT TO MAKE, KIND OF IN THIS SAME VEIN, IS THAT AS GARLAND HAS ADDED HOUSEHOLDS OVER THE LAST SEVERAL DECADES, A LOT MORE OF THOSE HOUSEHOLDS ARE RENTERS THAN THEY USED TO BE. SO OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS, AS YOU'VE ADDED HOUSING UNITS, A LOT OF THOSE HAVE FALLEN INTO MULTIFAMILY OR SINGLE FAMILY THAT ARE BEING CONVERTED TO RENTER OCCUPANCY. AND MOST OF THE UNITS THAT YOU'VE ADDED IN THE LAST 25 YEARS OR SO HAVE BEEN IN THAT RENTAL CATEGORY. SO THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS WITH THIS. ONE, IT SUGGESTS THAT THERE'S A STRONG FUTURE IN GARLAND FOR MULTIFAMILY. YOU'RE FAIRLY BUILT OUT AS A COMMUNITY.

THERE'S NOT A LOT OF LAND LEFT TO PUT SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING. AND ALSO IT'S BECOMING MORE COST EFFECTIVE TO LIVE IN THOSE MULTIFAMILY UNITS THAN IT IS TO N A HOME. THE SECOND POINT THAT WE WANT TO MAKE WITH OUR FINDINGS OF THIS MARKET ANALYSIS IS THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT GARLAND WITHIN THE DALLAS REGION, YOU ARE FIRMLY IN THE BOTTOM HALF IN TERMS OF OVERALL MARKET STRENGTH. SO WE'RE GOING TO UNPACK THIS A LITTLE BIT. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PROBABLY NOT TELLING YOU THINGS THAT YOU DON'T ALREADY KNOW. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF SURPRISES IN HERE. RIGHT. BUT TRYING TO PUT SOME NUMBERS BEHIND THAT AND KIND OF HELP UNDERSTAND WHAT ALL IS IN THAT MIX THAT ADDS UP TO IT. SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT MARKET STRENGTH, WE'RE LOOKING AT THINGS LIKE WHAT ARE SALE PRICES DOING? WHAT ARE THEIR TREND LINES? ARE THEY RISING OVER TIME? ARE THEY FALLING OVER TIME? ARE THEY STAYING THE SAME? WHAT IS INCOME LOOK LIKE IN A COMMUNITY COMPARED TO ITS COMPETITION EDUCATIOLEVEL? BECAUSE THAT'S OFTEN A PREDICTOR OF INCOME. WE LOOK AT HOMEOWNERSHIP RATE, WE LOOK AT ALL OF THESE INDICATORS AND THEN SOME MORE ON TOP OF THAT. AND SO THAT'S ALL BAKED IN. AND WHAT WE'VE PUT TOGETHER.

AND THIS IS THE SECOND SLIDE THAT CHARLES TALKED ABOUT THAT YOU KNOW IS KIND OF THE IN A NUTSHELL SLIDE IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT GARLAND WITHIN THE REGION, THE PINK ON THIS MAP IS YOUR MOST COMPETITIVE AREAS OF THE REGION. THE DARK BLUE IS YOUR LEAST COMPETITIVE. SO YOUR

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THEY PROBABLY ONLY HAD ONE FULL BATHROOM. THEY WERE MORE MODEST IN SIZE HOMES POST 1980, ON THE OTHER HAND, TEND TO BE MUCH LARGER, 1800 SQUARE FEET ON UP. FOUR BEDROOMS BECAME THE NORM.

TWO FULL BATHROOMS AT LEAST BECAME THE NORM, IF NOT ONE FULL BATHROOM PER BEDROOM. AND SO THAT IS GIVING YOUR COMPETITION A COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE JUST BY VIRTUE OF THE FACT THAT THEIR HOMES ARE NEWER AND ALL THE THINGS THAT COME WITH THAT. THAT ALSO CONNECTS TO THE PRICE POINTS, , THE PRIC AT WHICH THOSE HOMES ARE SELLING. SO THOSE NEW SHINY HOMES BECOME THE MORE APPEALING THING. AND SO FOR HOUSEHOLDS THAT HAVE THOSE CHOICES, THAT HAVE THE ABILITY TO AFFORD THOSE NEWER, LARGER HOMES, THEY'RE GOING TO CHASE THOSE AND THEY'RE GOING TO LOCATE SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE REGION. AND FOR THOSE THAT DON'T HAVE THOSE SAME CHOICES, THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK FOR OLDER HOMES THAT ARE EXISTING. AND WHERE CAN I AFFORD TO BE? AND THEN THEY'LL THINK ABOUT, WELL, WHAT KIND OF A PLACE DO I WANT TO LIVE? AND D WHAT CITHAS THE AMENITIES THAT I AM LOOKING FOR. AND THEY START TO MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON THINGS LIKE THAT. AND SO THOSE LOWER SALE PRICES THAT HAS THAT CONNECTION TO YOUR TAX BASE AND THEN TO THE CITY'S BUDGET AND TO YOUR ABILITY TO PROVIDE ALL THE SERVICES THAT YOU WANT TO TO YOUR RESIDENTS, TO AFFORD TO REPAIR YOUR AGING INFRASTRUCTURE, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO YOU CAN THINK ABOUT IT AS THE OLDER AND SMALLER HOMES IN THE REGION HAVE LESS DEMAND. AND EVENTUALLY THAT'S CREATING FISCAL STRESS ON THE CITY OF GARLAND. IT'S NOT JUST THE AGE, AS I MENTIONED. IT'S ALSO THE CONFIGURATION. SO OLDER AND SMALLER, FEWER BATHROOMS, FEWER NUMBER OF BEDROOMS. WE'VE STARTED TO SHIFT TO A LOT MORE OF A WORKING FROM HOME CULTURE IN SOME, SOME CASES. AND SO, YOU KNOW, MANY PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR AN ADDITIONAL BEDROOM SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE THAT HOME OFFICE SPACE. AND ONCE AGAIN, IT'S JUST OUR OUR 1950S AND 60S AND 70S HOMES. THEY WEREN'T BUILT. THEY WEREN'T BUILT FOR THAT SORT OF THING. THE THIRD POINT WE REALLY WANT TO MAKE TONIGHT IS THAT THE PRESSURE THAT YOU FEEL AROUND THE CITY'S BUDGET IS CONNECTED TO THESE DYNAMICS, AND IT'S THERE REALLY IS THAT KIND OF STRAIGHT LINE CONNECTION FROM ONE TO THE NEXT.

AND SO THERE ARE TWO THINGS THAT ARE TRUE AT THE SAME TIME. THERE IS DEMAND FOR BEING IN GARLAND. HOMES HERE ARE SELLING. PEOPLE ARE MOVING INTO THE COMMUNITY AND BUYING THEM.

PRICES ARE RISING, PERHAPS MORE INCREMENTALLY OR AT A DIFFERENT RATE THAN WHAT YOU MIGHT SEE IN SOME OF YOUR SUBURBAN NEIGHBORS. THAT IS TRUE. AND ALSO YOUR CITY IS, YOU KNOW, FACING SOME CHALLENGES FISCALLY. AND PART OF THAT IS THAT YOU HAVE A MATCHING PROBLEM. AND SO THE HOUSEHOLDS THAT ARE COMING INTO GARLAND ARE NOT NECESSARILY THOSE THAT HAVE A GREAT LEVEL OF DISPOSABLE INCOME THAT CAN SUPPORT SOME OF THOSE QUALITY OF LIFE AMENITIES THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ON THE KROGER'S AND THE SPROUTS AND THE RESTAURANT SLIDE. SO IF YOU

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AND SO THE ONE THAT'S ON THE TOP RIGHT, IF WE JUST LOOKED AT GARLAND ON ITS OWN, IGNORED THE REST OF THE DALLAS REGION AND REALLY FOCUSED IN ON GARLAND, WITHIN GARLAND, YOU HAVE SOME AREAS OF THE CITY THAT ARE MORE COMPETITIVE, AND YOU HAVE SOME AREAS OF THE CITY THAT ARE LESS COMPETITIVE, AND YOU HAVE A LOT OF THE AREAS THAT ARE THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, MIDDLE OF THE ROAD AVERAGE DEMAND. ONCE YOU TAKE GARLAND AND YOU PUT IT INTO THE REGIONAL CONTEXT, GARLAND VERSUS ITS COMPETITION, THAT'S WHERE YOU GET THE OLDER VERSUS NEWER, SMALLER VERSUS LARGER.

AND YOU'RE STARTING TO SEE THOSE DEMAND LEVELS DROP A NOTCH IN MOST OF THOSE PLACES, AND YOU ONLY HAVE A FEW PINK AREAS NOW THAT ARE REALLY COMPETITIVE WITHIN THE REGION AND KIND OF ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, BRING IN THE SAME TYPES OF HOUSEHOLDS THAT MIGHT BE MOVING INTO PLANO OR RICHARDSON OR FRISCO OR SOME OF THOSE OTHER COMMUNITIES. SO WE LOOK AT HOUSEHOLDS AND POPULATION DEMOGRAPHICS AS PART OF ALL OF THIS. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STOOD OUT TO US IS THAT YOUR HOUSEHOLD COMPOSITION REALLY IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE REST OF THE REGION. IN MOST CATEGORIES, WHEN YOU BREAK HOUSEHOLDS INTO DIFFERENT TYPES OF CONFIGURATIONS, YOU KNOW, MOM, DAD AND KIDS, SENIORS ABOVE 65, THESE ARE ALL CENSUS CATEGORIES. YOU REALLY LOOK PRETTY SIMILAR TO THE MSA EXCEPT FOR ONE SPOT, AND THAT'S IN THIS OTHER FAMILIES CATEGORY. SO OTHER FAMILIES ARE USUALLY RELATED ADULTS. THEY MIGHT BE BROTHERS OR COUSINS OR, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A FAMILIAL CONNECTION, BUT THEY'RE NOT WHAT YOU THINK OF AS A TRADITIONAL NUCLEAR FAMILY THAT'S IN A DIFFERENT CATEGORY.

WE SEE A LOT MORE OF THOSE IN GARLAND, RIGHT? SO THEY COULD BE TWO BROTHERS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, SHARING A HOUSE BECAUSE THAT'S HOW THEY CAN AFFORD IT. IT'S KIND OF A ROOMMATE SITUATION, BUT THERE'S A FAMILY CONNECTION AND THEY ARE LIVING IN A LOT OF YOUR HOUSES AND THEY. THEY THAT'S A DIFFERENT THING. WE DON'T NORMALLY SEE THAT. SO THAT WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT STOOD OUT TO US. ANOTHER THING IS THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT EDUCATION, GENERALLY SPEAKING, HOUSEHOLDS IN GARLAND HAVE LESS FORMAL EDUCATION THAN IN THAN THE HOUSEHOLDS THAT ARE LIVING IN SOME OF YOUR NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES. AND SO THE REASON WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT IS BECAUSE IT'S A DRIVER OF INCOME. AND THEN INCOME IS A DRIVER OF SPENDING, AND TYPES OF OF RETAIL AND SERVICES AND AMENITIES THAT YOU CAN SUPPORT. YOU MIGHT THINK THAT WE'RE TELLING YOU THAT YOU ARE HEAVY ON THE BOTTOM END OF THE INCOME SPECTRUM. ACTUALLY, THAT'S NOT REALLY THE CASE. IT'S MORE THAT YOU HAVE A LOT OF HOUSEHOLDS THAT ARE KIND OF IN THE LOWER MIDDLE OF THE INCOME SPECTRUM, AND ALSO THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT GARLAND COMPARED TO OTHER PARTS OF THE REGION, YOU ARE ACTUALLY VERY LIGHT AT THE TOP OF THE INCOME SPECTRUM. YOU HAVE A LOT FEWER HOUSEHOLDS THAT ARE IN THAT THAN ARE IN THAT HIGHER INCOME CATEGORY THAN SOME OF YOUR NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES DO. AND SO WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THE FISCAL STRENGTH OF THE CITY, ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IS IF YOU WANT TO MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION, PART OF THE SOLUTION IS LOOKING AT BECOMING MORE OF AN ECONOMICALLY, MORE ECONOMICALLY DIVERSE COMMUNITY AND LOOKING TO ATTRACT SOME OF THOSE HOUSEHOLDS THAT AREN'T CURRENTLY MOVING INTO GARLAND. AND THAT'LL GET YOU MORE OF THOSE PINK AREAS THAT WE THINK OF ON THE MAP. SO THIS IS JUST ANOTHER WAY TO LOOK AT THIS.

AND THIS IS MY THE FINAL POINT THAT I WILL MAKE BEFORE I TURN IT BACK OVER TO CHARLES. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LOOKED AT IS FAIR SHARE. OKAY, SO IF GARLAND HAD THE SAME NUMBER OF HOUSEHOLDS ACROSS THE INCOME SPECTRUM AS EVERYWHERE ELSE WITHIN THE REGION, WHERE ARE YOU AT? ARE YOU ABOVE OR BELOW THE LINE? SO AS YOU GO ACROSS THE CHART, YOU'RE GOING FROM THE LOWEST INCOME CATEGORY. IS THIS BROKEN INTO SIX SEVEN PARTS ALL THE WAY UP TO THE TOP.

AND THIS IS REALLY INTENDED TO ILLUSTRATE, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT SO MUCH TO LATCH ON TO THE SPECIFIC NUMBER AS IT IS TO ILLUSTRATE WHERE YOU'RE HEAVY AND WHERE YOU'RE LIGHT. AND SO THE GREEN BARS ABOVE THE BLACK LINE IS WHERE YOU HAVE MORE THAN YOUR FAIR SHARE. AND IN THIS CASE, THE PINK BARS BELOW THE LINE IS WHERE YOU ARE LACKING COMPARATIVELY. IF WE WERE LOOKING FOR THAT, THAT KIND OF PERFECT BALANCE. AND SO AS YOU CAN SEE AGAIN YOU HAVE A LOT IN THE MIDDLE. AND MISSING A LOT ON THE TOP. AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'LL COME BACK

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SO YOU DON'T WANT TO LOSE ANY STRONG HOUSEHOLDS, RIGHT? SO A GREAT HOUSING LIKE A BUILDING BLOCK OF A GREAT HOUSING STRATEGY AND A GREAT NEIGHBORHOOD STRATEGY IS RETAINED. RIGHT. RETAIN. YOU DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO SAY I'M FED UP WITH FILL IN THE BLANK AND GO IN SOMEPLACE ELSE, OR I COULDN'T FIND THE HOUSE I WANT. I GOT A SMALL HOUSE. I WANT TO MOVE UP TO A NEW HOUSE. RIGHT. MY, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT TWINS. WHEN I THOUGHT I'D HAVE ONE CHILD. I NEED A BIGGER HOUSE. YOU DON'T WANT THEM TO TO LEAVE TO TO TO GO TO THE NEXT STAGE.

YOU WANT TO KEEP, KEEP YOUR HOUSEHOLDS. RIGHT. SO RETAINING IS A HUGE BUILDING BLOCK OF A GREAT HOUSING STRATEGY. RIGHT. SECOND IS YES. OLDER GENERALLY EQUALS SMALLER. YES. OLDER GENERALLY EQUALS SMALLER EQUALS YOU KNOW, CONFIGURED WITH FEWER BEDROOMS, FEWER BATHS. RIGHT.

BUT AND THIS IS I THINK THE IT'S MY DUTY TO, TO, TO TO TO CIRCLE BACK TO THE SPINACH ISSUE. RIGHT. SO I WILL ASK FOR FORGIVENESS BEFORE I SAY WHAT I'M ABOUT TO SAY. WHICH IS IT'S NOT JUST THAT IT'S OLDER AND SMALLER. THEY'RE JUST NOT WELL MAINTAINED, OKAY? THEY'RE JUST YOU DON'T HAVE A SUFFICIENT NUMBER OF WELL-MAINTAINED HOMES, RIGHT? DCAD DOES A POOR JOB OF SCORING HOMES. OKAY, SO NEVER MIND THE DCAD DATA. OKAY? I'M TELLING YOU THAT YOUR HOUSES RIGHT NEED TO BE REFRESHED. THE SINGLE FAMILY, THE VAST MAJORITY OF YOUR SINGLE FAMILY STOCKS. YOU NEED A SIGNIFICANT REFRESH, OKAY, TO REALLY STRENGTHEN THE MARKET. RIGHT.

THAT'S A IT'S A HUGE BUILDING BLOCK OKAY. SO YES. SMALLER MATTERS. YES. OLDER MATTERS.

YES. BEDROOM BATH CONFIGURATION MATTERS. BUT YOU GOT TO MOW YOUR YARD AND YOU CAN'T PARK YOUR TRUCK ON THE FRONT YARD. YOU JUST CAN'T DO IT RIGHT. THERE'S A DRIVEWAY. THAT'S WHERE TRUCKS GO. RIGHT. SO THOSE ARE IMPORTANT THINGS RIGHT. SO LET'S GO TO SLIDES.

LET'S GO NEXT ONE OKAY. SO NOW IT GETS WEEDY. IT GETS COMPLICATED. THIS IS THIS IS SORT OF WONKY RIGHT. STOP ME IF IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. BUT SEE THAT DOTTED LINE IN THE MIDDLE COST OF A HOME OKAY. THAT THAT NUMBER. RIGHT. WHATEVER THAT NUMBER. RIGHT NOW THAT NUMBER IS IT'S PARKED BETWEEN 250 AND 325. OKAY. SO IF YOU WANT TO BUY A HOUSE TODAY ON THE MARKET, YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND ON AVERAGE 325. SOMETIMES YOU MIGHT SPEND 550, SOMETIMES YOU MIGHT SPEND, YOU KNOW, 215 YOU'LL GET YOU KNOW WHAT THE PRICES REFLECT. BUT IT'S PARKED AT A AT ABOUT THREE, YOU KNOW, 325 TO ENTER THE MARKET. BUT THE OVERALL VALUATIONS AT ABOUT 250 THAT LINE THERE OKAY. YOU'VE GOT THINK OF YOUR MARKET AS HAVING AND THIS CHART IS HAVING TWO GIANT MAGNETS ONE AT THE BOTTOM OKAY. THAT THAT TUGS ON ON ON LOWERING THAT DOTTED LINE. RIGHT. AND ONE AT THE TOP RIGHT. THAT ACTUALLY RAISES THAT OKAY.

AND SO TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU WANT A BALANCE SHEET RIGHT. AND YOU WANT A FUND BALANCE RIGHT, YOU WANT TO BRING THAT LINE UP. RIGHT. AND TO THE EXTENT THAT, YOU KNOW, PREVAILING STANDARDS, RIGHT. STANDARDS OF CARE, STANDARDS OF MAINTENANCE, LEVEL OF CAPITAL UPGRADES, LEVEL OF REINVESTMENT, RIGHT. THE DEGREE TO WHICH FOLKS MOW THEIR YARDS. RIGHT. THAT THAT THAT PEOPLE AREN'T TAKING CARE OF BUSINESS THAT WAY. THE LINE GOES DOWN. RIGHT. AND SO HOUSING POLICY IS ALL ABOUT TRYING TO GET THAT LINE RIGHT IN A PLACE THAT'S LIKE HEALTHY AND DURABLE, RIGHT? WHERE'S THAT DOTTED LINE GO. RIGHT. SO YOU REMEMBER THAT RULE OF THIRDS WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE BEGINNING OKAY. AND THEN YOU KNOW IN AN EARLIER SLIDE. THIS ONE OKAY. RIGHT NOW AT A MEDIAN VALUE YOU SEE THAT IN THE CENTER 248 NINE THAT MEDIAN VALUE. RIGHT. SO THAT YOU'VE GOT A A VALUE TO INCOME RATIO OF ABOUT 2.8 OKAY. IT'S ALMOST THREE. ALMOST ALMOST THAT 3 TO 1. IF YOU'RE BELOW THREE YOU'RE AFFORDABLE BUT YOUR PROPERTIES AREN'T GROWING IN VALUE. YOU GOT NO HOME EQUITY. WHEN I SELL AGAINST INFLATION I'M ACTUALLY LOSING MONEY. IT MAKES NO SENSE TO BUY A HOME, NOT FINANCIALLY ANYWAYS, RIGHT? SO IF Y YOU WANT HOME WEALTH, RIGHT, YOU WANT THAT NUMBER TO BE NORTH OF THREE. YOU WANT IT TO BE IN THE FOUR RANGE, RIGHT? NOT FIVE, SIX, SEVEN BECAUSE THEN IT'S UNAFFORDABLE. BUT YOU WANT IT TO BE IN THAT 3.5, 3.844.1.

RIGHT. SO YOUR SALES PRICES ARE BEGINNING TO REFLECT THAT. RIGHT. SO IF YOU THINK OF THAT NUMBER RIGHT, WE GO BACK FORWARD HERE. RIGHT. YOU SEE THAT DOTTED LINE MOVING A LITTLE BIT. RIGHT. SO YOU'RE GOING IN A GOOD DIRECTION RIGHT. SO WHAT WE THINK OF IS CURING THE PROBLEM OF MOVING THE LINE UP IS ADDRESSING A WILLINGNESS PROBLEM. WHAT I MEAN BY

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YOU HAVE ANOTHER GAP, OKAY. WHICH IS THAT DESPITE THAT LINE ACTUALLY BEING LOWER THAN THE COMPETITION, RIGHT. LOWER THAN THE COUNTY, RIGHT. YOU'RE IN THE BOTTOM HALF. A LOT OF FOLKS CAN'T AFFORD IT. SO YOU'VE GOT THESE TWO GAPS TO THINK ABOUT. RIGHT? OKAY. SO BOTH BECOME PROBLEMS TO SOLVE OR CHALLENGES THAT YOU WANT TO THINK ABOUT OKAY. AND IT'S EXPENSIVE TO CLOSE EITHER ONE. SO THE WAY WE RECOMMEND YOU THINK ABOUT THIS I HATE I HATE DOING THIS. I DON'T DO IT VERY WELL. BUT LEFT TO RIGHT OKAY. THINK OF IT THIS WAY. YOU'VE GOT OLDER HOMES, OLDER HOMES, GENERALLY COMMANDING LOWER PRICES. RIGHT. LOWER PRICES ARE ARE BEING CONSUMED BY RIGHT HOUSEHOLDS WITH LESS FINANCIAL STRENGTH. RIGHT. THEY HAVE LESS CAPACITY.

AND YOU FOLLOW THAT CIRCLE AROUND. RIGHT. THEY HAVE LESS CAPACITY, LESS CAPACITY FOR A NEW ROOF. RIGHT. FOR A NEW DRIVEWAY ENVELOPE, LESS CAPACITY TO REDO THE FRONT PORCH, TAKE CARE OF THE EXTERIOR, LESS CAPACITY TO UPGRADE THE KITCHEN AND BATH AND SO FORTH AND SO ON. THEN YOU HAVE COMPROMISED CONDITIONS, OKAY, THOSE CONDITIONS DETERIORATE A LITTLE BIT, RIGHT? A LITTLE BIT OVER TIME, AS THOSE CONDITIONS DETERIORATE, WHAT HAPPENS? YOU END UP WITH A A STREET, RIGHT. THAT DOESN'T SHINE RIGHT. AND SO YOU BRING YOUR YOUR BROTHER OVER AND HE'S LIKE, GOD, WHAT'S GOING ON IN YOUR NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE? RIGHT.

OR WHAT HAVE YOU. AND IT'S LIKE YOUR NEIGHBOR HASN'T MOWED THEIR YARD IN SIX YEARS, RIGHT? THERE'S AN OAK TREE GROWING OUT OF THE BACK OF THEIR PICKUP TRUCK. RIGHT. AND SO THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT SORT OF THAT IMAGE AFFECTS THE MARKET. RIGHT. AND SO NOW, RIGHT, YOU'VE GOT SOMEBODY WHO WANTS TO WANTS TO MOVE INTO GARLAND. RIGHT. AND HAS BEEN TOLD, YOU KNOW. THEY FIND A PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD. I'M NOT GOING TO NAME A NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY FIND A PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THAT THEY'VE BEEN TOLD TO GO LOOK AT. THEY GO DRIVE, THEY'RE DRIVING, THEY PARK. AND IT'S LIKE, WELL, I DON'T WANT TO LIVE NEXT DOOR TO THAT HOUSE.

LOOK AT THE MINI BLINDS. IT LOOKS LIKE SOMEBODY THREW THEIR THEIR CAT INTO THE MINI BLINDS AND HASN'T, LIKE, CORRECTED THE MINI BLINDS IN WEEKS, RIGHT. OR WHAT HAVE YOU. OKAY. AND SO THOSE CONDITIONS AFFECT THE IMAGE. THE IMAGE THEN AFFECTS WHETHER OR NOT THEY MAKE AN OFFER. WHAT HAPPENS? THEY EITHER DON'T BUY THE HOUSE THAT'S FOR SALE OR THEY LOWBALL IT, OR THEY GO SOMEPLACE ELSE. AND WHEN THEY GO SOMEPLACE ELSE, THE PERSON WHO'S LISTING THE HOUSE FOR SALE DOES WHAT, LOWER THE PRICE? RIGHT. AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THIS FEEDBACK LOOP.

RIGHT. SO THE TRICK IS WE'VE GOT TO GET OUT OF THIS. W, LET'S GO TO THE BOTTOM LEFT OF THIS CHART. THE FACT THAT YOU'VE GOT OLDER HOMES AND LOWER PRICES, IT'S GOOD FOR HOUSEHOLDS WITH LOW INCOMES. RIGHT. SO THAT'S ATTENTION YOU'VE GOT TO MANAGE AS A CITY COUNCIL AND AS MAYOR. RIGHT. AND FOR A REGION THAT IS SHORT ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING, KEY WORD IS REGION. FOR A REGION THAT IS SHORT ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING, IT'S GREAT FOR THE REGION. YOU GUYS ARE DOING THE REGION A GREAT SERVICE RIGHT NOW AND YOU'RE NOT GETTING PAID FOR IT.

OKAY? YOU'RE OFFERING UP TONS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR THE REGION, OKAY. AND SO IT'S GREAT FOR THOSE HOUSEHOLDS AND GREAT FOR THE REGION, BUT IT'S NOT SO GREAT FOR THE CITY. THAT'S THE LONG TERM TRAJECTORY OKAY. SO SO IF WE GO TO TO HERE THERE'S A LOT OF TUG FOR THAT LINE.

EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE PUSHING THE LINE UP NOW. RIGHT. IF THIS REGION IF, IF, IF THE ECONOMY WERE TO GO A LITTLE A LITTLE WOBBLY. RIGHT. IT'S AN OPEN QUESTION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT YOUR HOUSING MARKET IS RESILIENT ENOUGH TO COPE WITH IT. RIGHT. SO YOU WANT TO BE THINKING ABOUT THAT, RIGHT? I'M TAKING TOO MUCH TIME. OKAY. SO ONE THING TO THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IS, IS YOU WANT TO BREAK THAT CYCLE. YOU WANT TO MAKE THAT CYCLE WORK FOR YOU, RIGHT? HOW DO YOU MAKE THAT CYCLE WORK FOR YOU? RIGHT. AND SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO IT WITHOUT SOME PUBLIC INVESTMENT. OKAY. THE PRIVATE SECTOR, THE PRIVATE SECTOR WILL GET YOU TO THE 20 YARD LINE. YOU KNOW, ON MOST PROJECTS YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET YOU TO THE FINISH LINE, RIGHT? SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE THERE AS A PARTNER. RIGHT. SKIP THAT. A FEW THINGS TO THINK ABOUT AS YOU START THINKING ABOUT THINGS. NEED AND DEMAND ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. OKAY. MY HOUSE, EVERYBODY NEEDS A HOME. OKAY. BUT YOU WANT TO THINK ABOUT DEMAND IN THE CONTEXT OF OF THE RANGE OF CHOICE. AND HOUSEHOLDS HAVE VERY FEW CHOICES TECHNICALLY, ECONOMICALLY THEY'RE EXERTING DEMAND. BUT REALLY. RIGHT. THEY NEED OKAY. SO THEY'RE GETTING OFTEN WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS THEY ARE A HOUSEHOLD. FOR INSTANCE, I LIVE IN MY HOUSE OF SECOND CHOICE RIGHT NOW. I'VE NEVER HAD MADE ENOUGH MONEY TO LIVE IN MY HOUSE. A FIRST CHOICE, RIGHT? MOST FOLKS, MOST AMERICANS LIVE IN THEIR HOME OF SECOND, THIRD OR FOURTH CHOICE. ALMOST NOBODY LIVES IN THEIR HOUSE OF FIRST CHOICE, RIGHT?

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IT CAN BE TRUE, BUT IT'S RARELY TRUE. RIGHT. SO IF UNDER CERTAIN CONDITIONS AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE SORT OF THE DETAILS, IT'S TRICKY. BUT BE MINDFUL THAT THE TWO AREN'T AREN'T ONE AND THE SAME. THIRD, POSTWAR HISTORY, YOUR URBAN PLANNING HISTORY, IT SORT OF.

THERE ARE LOTS OF LOTS OF THINGS WE COULD TAKE AWAY FROM THE LAST 75 YEARS OF DEVELOPMENT, BUT NUMBER ONE IS WORSE. FIRST NEVER WORKS, JUST NEVER WORKS UNLESS YOU ARE CRAZY SUPER STRONG LIKE SAN FRANCISCO AND THE EAST BAY. RIGHT? AND YOU WANT TO TACKLE THE WORST BLOCK IN EAST PALO ALTO, RIGHT IN PALO ALTO. YEAH, THAT WORKS OKAY. BUT IF YOU'RE NOT THAT MARKET, WORST FIRST IS A FISCAL DISASTER. DON'T DO IT RIGHT. NEVER GET YOUR MONEY BACK RIGHT. AND YOU NEVER HAVE ENOUGH TO ACTUALLY TURN THE MARKET ANYWAY. SO DON'T DO IT.

THIRD, DON'T SCATTER DOLLARS, RIGHT. YOU'VE GOT TO CONCENTRATE RESOURCES, RIGHT.

THAT MEANS GEOGRAPHIC CONCENTRATION. AND WHEN WE SAY CONCENTRATE RESOURCES, WE ALSO MEAN CONCENTRATE ATTENTION. YOU GOT TO BE IN IT FOR YEARS, YEARS AND MUCH LONGER THAN YOU THINK. IT'S PICK AN AREA, THROW EVERYTHING IN THE KITCHEN, SINK INTO IT AND STAY THERE. RIGHT.

MAKE IT WORK RIGHT. SO AGAIN NEED AND DEMAND AREN'T THE SAME, RIGHT? AFFORDABLE HOUSING CAN BE NEIGHBORHOOD IMPROVEMENT. RARELY IS RIGHT. WORST FIRST RIGHT JUST DOESN'T WORK RIGHT.

AND SCATTERING DOLLARS RIGHT IS JUST NOT SENSIBLE. OKAY, SO THOSE ARE IMPORTANT BUILDING BLOCKS AS YOU THINK ABOUT STRATEGY GOING FORWARD OKAY. SO AS WE BEGIN TO LOOK AT THIS IT'S LIKE WHAT'S YOUR WHAT'S THE STRATEGY DIRECTION. RIGHT. SO FOCUSED EXCELLENT QUALITY MARKET RATE MULTIFAMILY AT SOME KEY LOCATIONS THAT THAT IS A HUGE PLACE WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO FIND REAL VICTORIES. RIGHT. SO WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO REALLY THINK THAT WAY. SECOND IS STRATEGICALLY REFRESHED SINGLE FAMILY HOMES RIGHT. PRIMARY STREETS, YOUR ARTERIALS, YOUR CORRIDORS, YOUR SECONDARIES AND YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS. RIGHT. SO YOU WANT TO REFRESH THAT SINGLE FAMILY RIGHT NEAR REALLY IMPORTANT KEY INTERSECTIONS.

AND AT THOSE KEY INTERSECTIONS, REALLY BE THINKING ABOUT MULTIFAMILY INFILL INCOME IS REALLY IMPORTANT, BUT IT IS FAR LESS IMPORTANT. I KNOW WE'VE EMPHASIZED INCOME A LOT AND IT'S IMPORTANT LESS IMPORTANT THAN STANDARDS, WHICH I WOULD MUCH RATHER HAVE. OKAY, A HOUSEHOLD, A $30,000 A YEAR. WHO? WHO'S RESIDENTS, RIGHT ARE OUT THERE ON SATURDAY MORNING.

RIGHT. TAKING CARE OF THE LAWN. AND SOMEBODY AT $70,000 A YEAR DOES NOT KNOW HOW TO PULL START A MOWER. RIGHT. IT JUST YOU DON'T WANT THAT. YOU WANT STANDARD. STANDARD STANDARDS.

PRIDE PRIDE PRIDE. THAT'S HOW YOU BUILD A GREAT HOUSING, RIGHT. AND AND AND FINALLY, WHATEVER IT IS YOU WANT TO UNDERWRITE, UNDERWRITE AS STRATEGY. RIGHT. IT'S GOT TO BE ABLE TO EXECUTE. RIGHT. SO THAT THAT MEANS, YOU KNOW, JUST IT'S ROBUST ADMINISTRATION AND STAFFING AND THE ENTITY TO CARRY OUT THE CITY. OKAY. SO AS WE GO THROUGH SOME THINGS, I WOULD SAY. IN TERMS OF IN TERMS OF DIRECTION, RIGHT. SO ON THAT HIGH QUALITY MULTIFAMILY, SO REDEVELOPMENT WITH A DIVERSE FORM AND PLACE TYPES, THAT'S GOING TO BE REALLY IMPORTANT, RIGHT? YOUR GEOGRAPHIES GETTING THE RIGHT INTERSECTIONS. YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO STRENGTHEN THE AREAS AROUND IT. AND YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO HELP EXISTING RESIDENTS STAY AND UPGRADE THEIR HOMES. DO SO IN A STRATEGIC FASHION. SO WHEN WE PUT ALL THAT TOGETHER, WHAT DOES THAT BEGIN TO LOOK LIKE? RIGHT. SO YOU'RE CITY MANAGER. WHAT'S THE WHAT'S YOUR WHAT ARE YOU I CAN'T REMEMBER THE SQUARE MILES IN THE CITY. 50 I WAS GONNA SAY 55. OKAY. SO 57MI■S.

NOBODY HAS ENOUGH RESOURCES TO WORK ON 57MI■S AT ONCE. NOBODY DOES. RIGHT. SO YOU'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT WHERE DO WE WORK. SO A LOT OF WHAT WE'VE DONE IS SORT OF ASK THE QUESTION WHERE TO WORK, RIGHT. HOW DO WE ACTUALLY SHRINK 57MI■S INTO SOMETHING? YOU CAN YOU CAN PLAUSIBLY DO? WE THINK, YOU KNOW, THIS AREA, THIS THIS CORE CENTRAL AREA, YOU KNOW, REALLY A LITTLE BIT NORTH OF DOWNTOWN, A LOT SOUTH CENTRAL OF DOWNTOWN, YOU KNOW, AROUND SOME KEY INTERSECTIONS, REPRESENTS A VERY HIGH VALUE SET OF BLOCKS IN AN AREA TO FOCUS YOUR RESOURCES ON, GET A HUGE RETURN FOR SCARCE DOLLARS, STRENGTHEN YOUR HOUSING MARKET, REPOSITION

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BUT IT INCLUDES EVERYTHING FROM RENTAL ASSISTANCE TO EMERGENCY HOME REPAIRS, FIRST TIME HOMEBUYER ASSISTANCE THROUGH. WE ALSO THINK THAT IT'S TELLING US THAT WE HAVE TO ESTABLISH SOME CRITERIA FOR HOW WE CONSIDER AFFORDABLE HOUSING TOOLS. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF TOOLS LIKE HFCS, PEMFCS, LATEX AND AND ALL THE OTHERS. AND SO LOOKING AT THAT AND CONSIDERING HOW DO WE LOOK AT THOSE GOING FORWARD, THE THE NEW ELEMENT, WHAT WE HEAR IS THAT WE NEED A MIXED INCOME ADDITIVE STRATEGY. SO IF YOU LOOK AT PRETTY MUCH ANYTHING YOU SEE FROM HUD OR, YOU KNOW, THE HOUSING INDUSTRY, WHEN YOU START THINKING ABOUT HEALTHY NEIGHBORHOODS, HEALTHY COMMUNITIES, IT'S A MIXED INCOME, NOT A CONCENTRATION OF POCKETS OF LOW OR HIGH, BUT MIXED THAT ARE SUPPORTING EACH OTHER AND SUPPORTING AMENITIES THAT ALL BENEFIT FROM. SO A MIXED ADDITIVE STRATEGY, SOME OF THOSE OBJECTIVES PRIMARILY IT'S INCREASING OUR REGIONAL COMPETITIVENESS, BUT LOOKING FOR AREAS THAT PROVIDE THE HIGHEST POTENTIAL FOR RETURN ON INVESTMENT AT THE AT THE LEAST EXPENSE. OBJECTIVES ARE TO TRY TO ATTRACT NEW BUYERS AND INVESTORS THAT IMPROVE ACCESS TO COMMERCIAL AMENITIES. FOR ALL THAT THAT OUR RESIDENTS KEEP TELLING US THEY WANT TO DRIVE, GENERATION OF MORE SALES TAX AND COMMERCIAL PROPERTY REVENUES TO HOPEFULLY SHIFT THE BURDEN. SOME OF THAT BURDEN FROM FROM OUR RESIDENTS, AND ALSO TO BE PROACTIVE IN DRIVING THE KIND OF MULTIFAMILY THAT THE NEW SENATE BILL, EIGHT 40TH MAY DRIVE TO GARLAND, BUT THE PRIMARY FOCUS OF SUCH SUCH A STRATEGY WOULD BE PRIORITIZING INCENTIVES AND REVITALIZATION PROGRAMS IN FOCUSED INVESTMENT AREAS TO ACHIEVE THE GREATEST RETURN ON INVESTMENT. SO WITH THAT, WE WILL OPEN TO QUESTIONS.

ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD. I'VE GOT FIVE IN THE QUEUE SO FAR. SO I'M WAITING ON YOU OTHER THREE TO. YEAH. WE'LL START OFF WITH COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

EXCELLENT INFORMATION TO KEEP ME UP AT NIGHT. BUT LET ME ASK TWO QUESTIONS TOGETHER AND YOU CAN SPEAK TO THEM. ONE, YOU MENTIONED MULTIFAMILY. IN MY DISTRICT. IAN TAKE YOU DOWN A

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SO, SO WHAT IS YOUR EXPERIENCE IN THOSE TWO AREAS? ONE, THE REALTOR MARKET, MANY OF THE OLDER HOMES IN THIS CITY WERE BUILT IN MY DISTRICT IN THE 60S AND 70S. THEY THEY TURN OVER.

OKAY. RIGHT. AND THEY TURN OVER, USUALLY AT THE HANDS OF A REALTOR. YEAH. OKAY. SO SO HOW CAN WHAT CAN WE DO AS FAR AS ENGAGING THAT COMMUNITY IN THE PROBLEM THAT YOU HAVE SO ELOQUENTLY IDENTIFIED HERE? AND MY SECOND QUESTION IS WITH THE THE INFLUX. AND I DO THINK I'M NOT SURE WHETHER THAT WAS ONE OF THE STREETS YOU DROVE DOWN OR NOT, BUT IF, IF, IF IT WAS, I'LL GIVE YOU THE STREET AND THEY COME, THEY LIKE, I'LL TAKE YOU DOWN THERE. BUT MULTIFAMILY, OKAY. WE DON'T HAVE ROOM FOR THEM ALL. SO WHAT WHAT OPTIONS? DO YOU HAVE A SUGGESTION? DO YOU HAVE TO ADDRESS ONE THE OLDER PROPERTIES AND TWO THE MULTIFAMILY. THANK YOU. WELL FIRST FIRST. SO COUNCIL COUNSEL WILLIAMS I APPRECIATE THE VERY EASY QUESTIONS YOU ASKED. IT'S VERY GOOD OF YOU. I'M GLAD THAT THE MAYOR ASKED YOU TO GIVE SOFTBALLS TO US. GOSH. WELL, YOU WENT RIGHT TO THE HEART OF IT. REALLY. IF YOU GET IF YOU GET DOWN TO IT, THOSE ARE TWO EXCELLENT AND EXCELLENT QUESTIONS. SO FIRST. WHAT HAPPENS WHEN A MARKET HAS GOTTEN TO WHERE GARLAND HAS GOTTEN OVER OVER DECADES? OKAY. IS THAT THERE ARE MANY THINGS THAT HAPPEN. BUT ONE THINGS THAT ONE THING THAT HAPPENS IS THE WHAT WE CALL THE HARD TO MARKET HOMES, THE OLDER, SMALLER HOMES THAT ARE HARDER TO MARKET, OKAY. THEY REACH, THEY REACH A POINT. WHERE THEY'VE BEEN DEPRIVED OF UPGRADES FOR A LONG TIME. RIGHT.

SO EVERYTHING FROM AIR CONDITIONING AND HEATING TO NEW ROOFS TO KITCHEN, JUST KITCHEN UPGRADES, RIGHT? OLD ASBESTOS SIDING, ANY NUMBER OF THINGS, THEY REACH A POINT WHERE THEY BECOME MORE VALUABLE AS AN, AS A, AS AN INVESTOR PROPERTY THAN AS AN OWNER OCCUPIED PROPERTY.

AND SO WHEN THAT HOUSE GOES FOR SALE, RIGHT WHEN AN OLDER RESIDENT, FOR INSTANCE, PASSES AWAY AND THEIR CHILD INHERITS THE HOME AND THE CHILD DOESN'T LIVE, YOU KNOW, THEIR THEIR ADULT CHILD DOESN'T NO LONGER LIVES IN GARLAND BUT LIVES SOMEPLACE ELSE. AND THEN THEY TURN TO SELL THAT HOUSE. THE BUYERS ARE VERY OFTEN INVESTORS, RIGHT. AND YOU HAVE A LOT OF THE OLDER SINGLE FAMILY STOCKS IN THE CITY ARE VULNERABLE TO TO INVESTORS. NOW, NOT ALL INVESTORS ARE A PROBLEM. AND THE RESIDENTS AREN'T NECESSARILY A PROBLEM, THOUGH THEY CAN BE. THE REAL ISSUE IS THE VERY REASON IT'S ATTRACTIVE FOR AN INVESTOR. RIGHT IS DIRECTLY CONNECTED TO THE LACK OF LIKELIHOOD THAT THEY WILL ACTUALLY PUT MUCH MONEY INTO THE HOUSE TO EVER CATCH IT UP ON SOME OF THAT DEFERRED MAINTENANCE. AND SO THE PROPERTY SIMPLY BECOMES AN ENGINE OF CASH FLOW. THEY SIMPLY WANT THE RENTS, RIGHT.

AND SO BECOMES TENANTS GO IN AND OUT AND IN AND OUT AND IN AND OUT AND IN AND OUT AND AND THEY WILL JUST GET THE RENTS AND NEVER TAKE CARE OF THE PROPERTIES. RIGHT. AND SO YOU CAN HAVE YOUR EXCEPTION TO THE RULE AND A GOOD LANDLORD, BUT YOU'RE VERY VULNERABLE TO THAT.

AND SO THE QUESTION IS HOW DO YOU STOP THAT. OKAY. AND SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CODE, ENFORCE THE HELL OUT OF SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES TO A MUCH GREATER EXTENT THAN YOU DO.

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THANK YOU SIR. COUNCIL MEMBER MOORE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I REALLY CAN APPRECIATE ABOUT.

INDEPENDENT. CONSULTANTS COMING IN TO SPEAK TO US IS THAT YOU ARE YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO SAY THINGS THAT WE REALLY OFTENTIMES BECAUSE WE'RE IN THE MIX, NOT ABLE TO SAY. AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT. I THINK THAT WHAT YOU HAVE SAID HERE TONIGHT IS I THINK THIS HAS BEEN ONE OF THE MOST INFORMATIVE SESSIONS AS IT RELATES TO WHERE WE ARE AS A CITY, WHERE WHERE WE ARE IN THE WAY OF OUR PAST, WHERE ARE WE GOING IN OUR FUTURE? ONE OF THE MOST INFORMATIVE SESSIONS T THAT I HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SIT THROUGH, BECAUSE I THINK THAT EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE STATED SO FAR REALLY RELATES TO WHERE WE ARE AS A CITY AND THE PROBLEMS THAT WE FACE, THE DEMOGRAPHICS AND THE HOUSING IS KIND OF WHICH CAME FIRST. THE CHICKEN OR THE EGG? WHICH CAME FIRST, THE DEMOGRAPHICS OR THE HOUSING AND THE HOUSING, OF COURSE, IMPACTS EVERYTHING AS THE DEMOGRAPHICS DO IN MY DISTRICT. GO BACK TO YOUR LAST SLIDE, PLEASE. YES, YES. AND WHAT I MEANT BY YOU'RE ABLE TO SAY THINGS THAT OFTENTIMES WE'RE NOT ABLE TO SAY. WHEN I LOOK AT THAT CHART THERE, THE THE FOCUS CENTERS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, NONE OF THAT REALLY IMPACTS WHERE BJ WILLIAMS AND I ARE. AND SO AS A RESULT OF THAT, OF COURSE, I'M GOING TO HAVE CONSTITUENTS WHO ARE GOING TO BE ASKING OF ME, OH, HERE WE GO AGAIN. BECAUSE WE KNOW TRADITIONALLY ALL THE MONEY HAS GONE TO THE NORTH. IT'S GONE HERE AND THERE. AND THE PROBLEM BECOMES THEN WE WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THE MONEY COMING TO THE SOUTH, AND WE HAVE DONE EVERYTHING WE CAN TO CHANGE THAT NARRATIVE, BUT NEITHER HERE NOR THERE THAT DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACTS, THAT WHAT YOU HAVE DONE IN YOUR RESEARCH AND WHAT YOU HAVE ON THAT SHEET, THERE ARE FACTS. AND SO WHAT I HAVE, I HAVE HOMES THAT PROBABLY MEET JUST ABOUT EVERY DESCRIPTION THAT YOU HAVE POSED. WE HAVE MULTIPLE HOMES. WELL, WHAT I HAVE, IF YOU START GUTHRIE ALL THE WAY BACK UP TO ROME. WELL, GUTHRIE BACK TO 30. OKAY. THOSE HOMES ARE 40. BUILT IN THE 50S AND 60S. IF YOU GO FROM GUTHRIE, FROM ROME ROAD, THEN OVER TO, SAY, WYNN JOYCE ROAD. AND NOW WE'RE TALKING HOMES BUILT IN THE 50S. 60S 70S. IF YOU GO ACROSS THE HIGHWAY TO WHAT HAS BEEN OUR MOST EXCLUSIVE, WHICH IS THE EASTERN HILLS COUNTRY CLUB AREA, THAT WOULD BE WYNN JOYCE AREA. WHEN JOYCE UP TO CENTERVILLE. NOW YOU'RE TALKING HOMES THAT ARE SUPPOSEDLY THE MOST EXCLUSIVE IN THE CITY. THEN YOU COME BACK FROM WYNN

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IT'S A IT'S A FABULOUS QUESTION. THERE'S THERE'S REALLY A COUPLE OF POINTS TO MAKE. OKAY. ONE IS IT IS AN UNVARNISHED GOOD SIGN THAT A SMALLER HOME, SMALLER SQUARE FOOT IS SELLING FOR A HIGHER PRICE. OKAY. THAT THAT'S A GREAT SIGN OF OF MARKET STRENGTH IN THAT AREA. RIGHT? YES. AND THE PLACE TO LOOK IS. IS. MOST FOLKS WOULD SAY IT'S MORE VALUABLE PER SQUARE FOOT.

OKAY. BUT THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT THE PLACE TO LOOK. THE PLACE TO LOOK IS HOW MUCH LAND IT'S ON.

AND SO THAT SMALLER HOME RIGHT AS A PERCENTAGE. SO IF YOU TAKE THE LAND VALUE. RIGHT. SO THE LAND'S GOT SOME VALUE. RIGHT. MIGHT BE $50,000 IN LAND, MIGHT BE $100,000 LAND. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS. RIGHT NOW I'VE GOT THE REAL ESTATE I'VE DROPPED DOWN ONTO THAT LAND WHEN I PUT THOSE TOGETHER. RIGHT. THE HOUSE HAS A PERCENTAGE OF THE WHOLE. IS REALLY. WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME IS THAT 1700 AND 50 SQUARE FOOT HOME. THAT'S PRETTY VALUABLE.

THAT'S A SUPER VALUE, RIGHT? AND THAT WHAT? THAT'S WHAT THAT IS REFLECTIVE OF, OKAY. IS SOMEBODY WANTS THAT LAND, RIGHT? A THAT'S A GOOD SIGN. RIGHT. AND AND B, THEY'VE ACTUALLY GOT A LOT OF PURCHASING POWER. THEY'VE GOT FIVE, 500,000, HALF $1 MILLION IN PURCHASING POWER.

BUT THEY'RE ACTUALLY CHOOSING TO BE IN GARLAND. RIGHT. SO THE LAND IS VERY VALUABLE. AND THE PARTY WITH THE 3500 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE, THE 4000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE DOWN THE DOWN THE STREET OR RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER, THAT IS. 50 RIGHT NEXT TO GREEN SPACE. RIGHT? OKAY. THEY'VE JUST BEEN HANDED. RIGHT? AN ATM MACHINE. YES. OKAY. THAT THAT LITTLE HOUSE IS PRINTING 20S.

YES. OKAY. JUST SPITTING 20S OUT ALL DAY LONG. RIGHT. SO THOSE THOSE THOSE MAKE GREAT, GREAT NEIGHBORS IN THE LONG RUN, RIGHT. ABSOLUTELY. SO FINALLY YOUR MARKET IS MUCH MORE RESILIENT HAVING VARIED FORM. RIGHT. SO THE MORE DIFFERENT KINDS OF SIZES AND SHAPES YOU GET, THE MORE ABLE YOU'RE GOING TO BE TO WITHSTAND THE HEADWINDS OF THE MARKET. YOU KNOW, TURNING A FUNNY DIRECTION, YOU KNOW, AT SOME UNPREDICTED DATE IN THE FUTURE. RIGHT. IF YOU ARE ALL MONOCHROME, RIGHT. YOU'RE ALL SOYBEANS, RIGHT? YOU'RE ALL POTATOES, RIGHT? YOU'RE ALL ANY ONE THING. YOU'RE SUBJECT TO A BLIGHT. RIGHT. SO THE MORE VARIED YOUR FORM TALL BUILDINGS, FAT BUILDINGS, SHORT BUILDINGS, SKINNY BUILDINGS, RED BUILDINGS, BLUE BUILDINGS, MORE VARIED YOU ARE, THE BETTER YOU ARE. YOU'RE GOING TO BE RESISTANT TO SHOCKS.

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I THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS GOING TO BE A SUGGESTION, EVEN IF IT IS VOLUNTARY, YOU KNOW, THAT IS MORE MORE EYES ON THE NEIGHBOR'S LAWN. HAVE YOU SEEN THAT BE A PART OF OF SUCCESS OF THIS? WELL, BOTH REPLY TO THIS. LET ME JUST TEE IT UP FOR A SECOND. SO FIRST OF ALL YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT OKAY. SO IT'S THE GLUE RIGHT. SO THAT'S THAT'S A A BETTER METAPHOR.

YOU'VE GOT YOU'VE GOT IT'S THE MORTAR THAT'S HOLDING THE BRICKS TOGETHER. RIGHT. IT'S WITHOUT THE MORTAR RIGHT. THE WALL FALLS. RIGHT. AND SO YOUR ASSOCIATIONS, THE VOLUNTEERISM THE THAT THAT CIVIC GLUE. RIGHT. IT'S EVERYTHING. LIKE IT'S ACTUALLY IT'S THE ONE THING YOU CAN'T DO WITHOUT. RIGHT. AND I'LL SHOW UP HERE. THAT'S ALL ON THE. THAT'S ALL ON THE CAPACITY SIDE. RIGHT. IT'S IT'S IT'S, IT'S IT'S BEING GOOD NEIGHBORS. RIGHT. IT'S ALL OF IT. RIGHT. IT IS ESSENTIAL. AND SO AMBER SHOULD, SHOULD EXPAND ON THAT. JUST GIVEN HER YEARS OF EXPERIENCE WORKING WITH NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS AND RESIDENTS, I REALLY THINK THEY'RE YOUR BEST PARTNER TO ENLIST. YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS ALWAYS VARY IN THEIR CAPACITY, AND YOU CAN HAVE A REALLY STRONG NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, AND THEN SOMEONE MOVES AWAY OR OR, THE TIME AND THINGS CAN KIND OF TURN ON A DIME A LITTLE BIT. SO CONTINUING TO INVEST IN THE CAPACITY OF YOUR RESIDENTS, BUILD THOSE LEADERSHIP PIPELINES, PARTNER ALONGSIDE THEM, LET THEM KNOW THAT YOU'RE DOING THIS WITH THEM, NOT TO MOVE THEM OUT OR MOVE THEM ON, BUT ALONGSIDE THEM TOGETHER. THAT'S REALLY THE WAY YOU KIND OF WANT TO FRAME THIS UP IS THAT WE'RE PARTNERS IN THIS ENDEAVOR. SO DO YOU HAVE FOR OTHER CITIES, YOU KNOW, EMPIRICAL DATA THAT THAT CAN SHOW, YOU KNOW, CITY OF GARLAND STAFF? HEY, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE THIS IN OTHER CITIES AND OTHER CITIES HAVE INCENTIVIZED, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS. AND THE RESULTS OF IT HAVE BEEN THIS SO THAT WE CAN SEE A POSITIVE BENEFIT OF IT SO THAT WE CAN FEEL COMFORTABLE MAKING THAT INVESTMENT IN THAT INCENTIVE. YES. HERE'S THE TRICK. RIGHT. SAY YES AND NO. SO HERE'S THE TRICK. JUST FORGET WHAT? JUST FORGET WHAT THE KEY IS HERE. JUST SEE A BUNCH OF COLORS, OKAY. NOT EVERY DOLLAR IN OKAY WILL GIVE YOU A RETURN EQUAL IN EVERY. SO DIFFERENT COLORS WILL GIVE YOU DIFFERENT RETURNS. CORRECT. DIFFERENT COLORS WILL HAVE DIFFERENT LEADERSHIP CAPACITY THAT'S THERE. AND DIFFERENT SECTIONS WILL HAVE WILL REQUIRE MORE TENACITY TO TO INSPIRE. RIGHT. MORE MORE. SO YOU MAY HAVE TO PUT IN MORE ON THE FRONT END TO ACTUALLY GROW THAT RESIDENT LEADERSHIP CAPACITY. RIGHT. SO JUST KNOW THAT EVERY BLOCK IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, RIGHT? EVEN EVEN THREE HOUSES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BLOCK, MIDDLE OF THE BLOCKS ARE OFTEN MORE DIFFICULT THAN, THAN TOWARD THE ENDS OF THE BLOCKS. RIGHT. AND SO YOU REALLY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DEVELOP A FINE GRAINED GRASP OF HOW TO THINK ABOUT BLOCKS, RIGHT? WHO'S LIVING WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT CONDITIONS ARE, YOU KNOW, DO YOU HOPE TO ADDRESS WHAT'S THE STRENGTH AND HISTORY OF THE HOA AND SO FORTH AND SO ON? YES, WE WE HAVE LOTS OF EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE TO HELP YOU PICK, PICK, YOU KNOW, AND KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT TIMELINE WISE BECAUSE, I MEAN, I CAN, YOU KNOW, LISTEN IN TO THE PRESENTATION. I CAN I CAN ASSUME THAT THAT WOULD BE AN INTEGRAL PART OF IT, BUT I DIDN'T HEAR IT MENTIONED. SO I WANTED TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON THAT. I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT. SO I AM A HUGE PROPONENT OF HOMEOWNERSHIP. AND SO, YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE HOMEOWNERSHIP BUILD GENERATIONAL WEALTH ON, YOU KNOW, MANY DIFFERENT FACETS, WHETHER IT BE, YOU KNOW, EQUITY TRANSFER, HOUSING SECURITY, STRONG FAMILY BASE, STRONGER COMMUNITIES, STRONGER EDUCATION, AND AND JUST THAT WHOLE, THAT WHOLE TRANSFER OF GENERATIONAL WEALTH. SO WHAT DO YOU GUYS SEE

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SO THERE'S A LOT OF A LOT OF EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE JUST ON THE ROLE OF HOMEOWNERSHIP, RIGHT, IN NEIGHBORHOOD STABILITY, THE ROLE OF HOMEOWNERSHIP ON THE RATE OF PROPERTY APPRECIATION.

IT'S IT'S IT'S TRANSCENDENT. IT'S THOROUGH. IT'S IT'S IT'S IN MANY RESPECTS UNIMPEACHABLE.

OKAY. YOU'RE AT ABOUT A 61% HOMEOWNERSHIP RATE RATE CITYWIDE, RIGHT. BUT LIKE ANYTHING IN HOUSING, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT THERE ARE MULTIPLE THINGS CAN BE TRUE AT THE SAME TIME. RIGHT. AND SO IT'S ACTUALLY INTERESTING TO ME AND IT'S IT'S NOTABLE. THERE ARE TWO THINGS. TRUE. HOMEOWNERSHIP IS A HUGE FACTOR IN STABILITY. RIGHT. AND BUT YOU AND BUT YOU'RE BEING OUTPERFORMED BY FOR INSTANCE, TWO NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE LOWER FAR LOWER HOMEOWNERSHIP RATES. RIGHT. AND SO IT IS AN IMPORTANT PREDICTOR OF STABILITY AND AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT, BUT IT IS NOT A SOLE PREDICTOR OF STABILITY. RIGHT? I WOULD SAY IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT WHERE TO SET YOUR GOALS RIGHT, TOUCHDOWNS, FIELD GOALS, WHATEVER METRICS YOU CHOOSE. RIGHT. YOU'RE ABOUTTO 61% HOMEOWNERSHIP RATE. I THINK YOU'RE ON A TRAJECTORY FOR LOTS OF REASONS THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR STOCKS, NOTHING TO DO WITH THE REGION, RIGHT, THAT ARE THAT ARE MORE BROADLY, IT CAN BE MORE BROADLY ASCRIBED TO DEMOGRAPHICS AND, AND CERTAIN FINANCIAL TRENDS, GENERATIONAL FINANCIAL TRENDS. THERE'S GOING TO BE DOWNWARD PRESSURE ON YOUR HOMEOWNERSHIP RATE TO STAY AT 61. RIGHT. SO I CAN EASILY SEE YOU GOING TO 57 5655. RIGHT. NUMBER ONE, HOWEVER, RIGHT. I THINK I CAN MAKE A VERY GOOD CASE THAT YOU SHOULD AIM FOR HOLDING STEADY AT THAT 60% HOMEOWNERSHIP RATE, RIGHT, AS AN IMPORTANT AMBITION. RIGHT. AND THEN THINKING THROUGH HOW DO WE GET THERE AND YET GROW, YOU KNOW, GROW OUR COMMUNITY WITH LIMITED LAND. RIGHT. SO IT'S A BOTH END. RIGHT. BUT THE METRIC THAT REALLY MATTERS IS IN YOUR SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS, RIGHT. WHICH CONSUME, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THAT'S. 70 OF 90,000, 60 TO 65 OF 67 OF 90,000 UNITS, RIGHT IN YOUR SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS. RIGHT? WHEN YOU GO DOWN FROM THE CITY TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE BLOCK, YOU REALLY WANT EACH BLOCK TO HAVE A 50% HOMEOWNERSHIP RATE, NO LESS THAN. RIGHT. AND YOU'RE AT THAT NOW, BUT YOU'RE AT RISK OF LOSING A LOT OF SINGLE FAMILY OVER TO RENTER OCCUPIED. RIGHT? SO ABSOLUTELY, YOU WANT A STRATEGY THAT HELPS YOU STABILIZE YOUR HOMEOWNERSHIP RATES. AND THOSE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY. SO YOU'VE GOT THIS BOTH END RIGHT. SO YOU WANT TO FIND APPROPRIATE LOCATIONS FOR NEW RENTAL DEVELOPMENT. AND YOU WANT TO GROW THE HOMEOWNERSHIP RATE IN THE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS TO THE BEST EXTENT YOU CAN GET THEM AS STABLE AS YOU CAN AND HOLD THOSE VALUES. YEAH. ONE ONE LAST POINT ACTUALLY. GO AHEAD. AMBER. THE ONE THING I WAS GOING TO ADD TO THAT IS, YOU KNOW, OWNING A HOME YOU CAN THINK OF YOUR HOME AS YOUR HOME CAN BE EITHER AN ASSET TO YOU OR A LIABILITY. IT'S A LIABILITY WHEN IT HAS SO MANY REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE THAT YOU'RE JUST SHELLING OUT MONEY LEFT AND RIGHT TO REPAIR THE ROOF AND PUT ON NEW GUTTERS AND FIX THIS CRACK AND THAT RIGHT. IT'S TAKING MONEY OUT OF YOUR POCKET. IF IT'S AN ASSET, IT'S GROWING IN VALUE OVER TIME, NOT EXPONENTIALLY, BUT INCREMENTALLY. AND SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU'RE STILL AIMING FOR VALUE APPRECIATION IF YOU WANT IT TO HAVE THAT WEALTH BUILDING COMPONENT. OTHERWISE PEOPLE ARE LOSING VALUE AGAINST INFLATION. AND ACTUALLY THEY'RE THEY'RE LOSING EQUITY IN THEIR HOME. THEY DON'T HAVE THAT EQUITY TO BORROW AGAINST IF THEY DO HAVE A MAJOR REPAIR NEED. AND SO THERE'S THERE'S A LINE TO WALK THERE. THERE'S A BALANCE TO FIND BETWEEN THOSE TWO THINGS.

THANK YOU. APPRECIATE YOU GUYS. THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU SIR. COUNCILMEMBER DUTTON. SO THIS IS QUITE POSSIBLY THE MOST OFFENSIVE MEETING THAT WE'VE HAD IN QUITE SOME TIME IN MY OPINION. I LOVE THE ANTI RENTER NARRATIVE THAT WE'RE GOING WITH WHILE WE'RE TRYING TO SUGARCOAT GENTRIFICATION. MOST OF US HAVE AT SOME POINT SAID THAT WE LOVE THE DIVERSITY THAT OUR CITY HAS, AND THIS IS NOT WHAT'S GOING TO KEEP THAT. CAN YOU SHOW SLIDE 16, PLEASE? THIS ONE? YEAH. SO

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THEY'RE JUST VULNERABLE. AND THE SECOND THING IS THAT INTERVENING IS PROBABLY NOT EVERYTHING'S EXPENSIVE. BUT IN THE SCHEME OF THINGS, IT'S NOT CRAZY EXPENSIVE. RIGHT. SO WE'RE AT SO BY CONTRAST, IN BETWEEN FOR INSTANCE, I CAN'T DO IT ON HERE. THIS. COULD BE RIGHT IN THIS SPACE IN HERE. RIGHT. AND YOU ARE PROBABLY GOING TO BE SPENDING A LOT MORE.

RIGHT. THAN YOU ARE, YOU KNOW, IN THIS AREA AND IN THIS AREA WITH, WITH LESS OF A NET NET, LESS OF A RETURN. RIGHT. SO THESE BECOME DOWN, DOWN ON THE CENTER LINE, THESE AREAS ALL BECOME THE THEY SATISFY THOSE TWO CONDITIONS. YOU'RE AT RISK. AND YOU CAN ACTUALLY GET A LOT OF RETURN FOR, FOR YOUR INVESTMENT. SO THE AREAS THAT ARE YELLOW THAT ARE IF YOU GO TO THE LEFT ON YOUR MAP AND THAT BIG OPEN WHITE SPOT RIGHT THERE. SO ON THE OTHER MAP, THOSE ARE ALL HOMES THAT WERE BUILT IN THE 50S AREA. SO ARE WE SAYING I DON'T THINK THAT'S TRUE. THAT'S MOSTLY INDUSTRIAL ACTUALLY. ACTUALLY IT'S NOT. THAT'S MY DISTRICT. SO OKAY.

THERE ARE HOMES IN THERE AS WELL. YEAH. THERE'S HOMES THAT ARE BUILT IN THE 40S IN THAT AREA. MY MY NEIGHBORHOOD IS ONE OF THEM. SO WHAT I'M ASKING IS WHAT WHAT WOULD THAT AREA BE.

BECAUSE WE'VE GOT THIS WHOLE NARRATIVE THAT THE SOUTH NEVER GETS ANYTHING. THERE'S A TON OF DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING ON ALONG 30. RIGHT. SO WE'VE RIGHT WE'VE GOT A TON OF MULTIFAMILY THAT ARE GOING IN THERE. WE LOVE THAT. IT'S FANTASTIC. IT'S BEAUTIFUL ALONG 30. IT'S MAKING ITS WAY LIKE THEY'RE MOVING ON UP OVER THERE MOVING UP. THEY'RE DOING THIS. THEY ARE MOVING UP. THE AREA ITSELF IS ELEVATING OKAY. I WAS TRYING NOT TO SEND Y'ALL A SONG BECAUSE MY VOICE AIN'T WORKING. OKAY. BUT THANK YOU FOR GETTING IT. I SCREAMED WAY TOO HARD THIS WEEKEND. SO. SO THAT THAT AREA ALONG 30 IS GETTING A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT. IT'S GETTING A LOT OF MULTIFAMILY. THAT IS VERY NICE. THAT WHOLE ROSE HILL CORRIDOR IS BEAUTIFUL OVER THERE. SO MY QUESTION IS IF WE'RE FOCUSING ON OTHER AREAS WHEN YOUR OTHER MAP CLEARLY SHOWS THAT THIS CENTRAL AREA OF GARLAND HAS THE OLDEST HOMES? YES. WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THAT AREA? YOU JUST LET IT DETERIORATE. AND THEN WHY WOULD THAT NOT BE A FOCUS POINT? SO YOU COULD YOU COULD. ABSOLUTELY. SO ONE OF THE ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT YOU HAVE AS A

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WE WE PUT OURSELVES IN THIS POSITION. WE LITERALLY JUST HAD AN EMAIL ABOUT NOT ENFORCING PARKING DOWNTOWN BECAUSE SOMEONE GOT UPSET BECAUSE THEIR CAR GOT TOWED. IF I'M NOT GOING TO ENFORCE THE PARKING DOWNTOWN, WHY WOULD I ENFORCE THE SAME PARKING IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA? WE SCREW OURSELVES ON A DAILY BASIS BY NOT ENFORCING OUR RULES AND REGULATIONS, SO I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S FAIR TO SIT HERE AND TALK ABOUT REALLY GENTRIFYING OUR CITY AND PUSHING PEOPLE OUT THAT HAVE BEEN LOYAL, THAT HAVE BEEN HERE SINCE THEIR GRANDPARENTS WERE BORN HERE. THEY LIVE IN THE SAME HOUSE AND THE SAME CITY. THEY WORK HERE. OUR MOTTO IS LIVE, PLAY, WORK. GARLAND. HOW DO YOU THINK THAT'S POSSIBLE? BECAUSE THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE AND PLAY AND WORK HERE, THEY CAN AFFORD IT. BUT LET'S KICK THEM OUT THEN. IT'S ALL FOR NOTHING. EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE DONE IS ALL FOR NOTHING. OUR OWN MOTTO IS TRASH. IF WE. IF THAT'S WHAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT. COULD I, COULD I OFFER SOMETHING? SURE. OKAY, SO I THINK ONE IS THIS, THIS SLIDE THAT AMBER WENT THROUGH IS A REALLY GOOD SLIDE TO SAY SORT OF IN THE CATEGORY OF WHAT IS RIGHT IS THAT YOU BUILT OUT JUST YOU BUILT BEFORE EVERYBODY

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RIGHT? YOU JUST BUILT SMALLER. RIGHT? JUST THAT'S ALL IT WAS. AND THAT THE, THE REGION JUST DECIDED TO TAKE OFF AFTER YOU WERE DONE BUILDING. RIGHT. SO THAT ACTUALLY IT'S NOT A HANDCUFF, BUT IT MAKES IT HARDER. RIGHT. SO IT'S HARD WORK. RIGHT. AND, AND AND THE WAY WE WOULD RECOMMEND YOU THINK ABOUT IT IS REMEMBER EARLIER I SAID OR I CAN'T REMEMBER, I HOPE I SAID IT, YOU CAN'T DO A ONE SIZE FITS ALL. IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT'S GOING TO WORK, YOU KNOW. SATURN IN NORTHWEST ISN'T GOING TO BE THE SAME THING THAT WORKS. LET'S SAY GARLAND AND BELTLINE. RIGHT? SO YOU WANT TO BE THINKING HOW TO DO DIFFERENT THINGS IN DIFFERENT PLACES, RIGHT? AND TO COPE WITH JUST SO MUCH BUILD OUT OCCURRING ALL AT ONCE AND LEAVING YOU WITH NOT A LOT OF OPTIONS FOR THE LAST MANY DECADES. RIGHT? WE'RE CERTAINLY NOT AS MANY OPTIONS AS YOUR COMPETITION IS. YOU, YOU IN THOSE IN SOME SOME AREAS YOUR AMBITION, YOUR YOUR YOUR OBJECTIVE RATHER SHOULD BE TO GROW. RIGHT. AND IN OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY IT SHOULD BE TO STABILIZED. SO IT DOESN'T IT DOESN'T DECLINE. RIGHT. AND YOU'RE SPEAKING DIRECTLY TO THE ISSUE OF THE NEED TO STABILIZE CONDITIONS. RIGHT. SO LET'S MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T DECLINE. WE ABSOLUTELY CAN DO SHOULD DO A BOTH END. RIGHT. SO IN IN FRAGILE BLOCKS, FRAGILE NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU KNOW BUILT IN THE 50S AND 60S. RIGHT. OUR TASK RIGHT IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE STABILIZING THOSE AREAS. ONE OTHER PLACE TO THINK ABOUT IT IS YOU'VE GOT 27,000 APARTMENTS IN THE CITY, RIGHT? 27,000 APARTMENT UNITS. 15,600 OF THEM WERE BUILT BEFORE 19 1989 OR EARLIER. RIGHT. VAST MAJORITY OF THOSE NEED TO GET UPGRADED, NEED TO GET REFRESHED, NEED TO GET BULLDOZED RIGHT OR AND REDEVELOPED RIGHT. PEOPLE ARE OVERPAYING FOR TERRIBLE QUALITY, RIGHT? RIGHT. AND SO THAT'S THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF INTERVENING TO GET STABILITY. RIGHT? A KEY A KEY. EFFORT THAT YOU SHOULD UNDERTAKE WHILE IN OTHER AREAS INTERVENING TO GROW THAT MARKET. AND YOU TOTALLY CAN DO BOTH AT THE SAME TIME.

RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY. YOU CAN DO BOTH AT THE SAME TIME. SO JUST A QUESTION. DO YOU KNOW WHY OUR HOUSING BOOM WAS SO BIG IN THE 50S? WELL, FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. FIRST OF ALL, YOU'VE GOT YOU'VE GOT MANUFACTURING, RIGHT? YOU'VE GOT AG AND MANUFACTURING FROM THE LATE 40S TO THE 50S. YOU'VE GOT A POSTWAR BOOM, RIGHT? YOU'VE GOT AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD SIZE, 3.7, 3.8. PEOPLE ARE POPPING KIDS OUT ALL THE TIME. RIGHT. YOU'VE GOT RETURNING VETS, RIGHT. AND YOU'VE GOT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF HOUSING. AND SO YOU'VE GOT JOBS AND DEMAND FOR HOUSING RIGHT BY JOB HOLDERS RIGHT HERE. SO WHAT SETS THE TABLE FOR YOUR MANUFACTURING. RIGHT. THAT WAS THANK YOU I APPRECIATE THAT AND I APPRECIATE THAT. YOU KNOW THAT BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT ABOUT OUR CITY. IS THAT MY MY NEIGHBORHOOD IS DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM ALL OF THE INDUSTRIAL. MY NEIGHBORHOOD WAS BUILT FOR THE PEOPLE THAT WORKED AND CAN WALK TO MY JOB. RIGHT. AND SO AND YOU CAN. MY NEIGHBORHOOD IS A COLLABORATIVE OF THREE DIFFERENT SUBDIVISIONS THAT WERE BOOM, BOOM, BOOM, BOOM, BOOM. AND YOU CAN TELL WHICH ONES WERE FOR THE THE BLUE COLLAR WORKING CLASS VERSUS THE CEO VERSUS THE MANAGERS. IT IS A WILD MIX. WE HAVE WE HAVE A CASTLE HOUSE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OUT OF NOWHERE.

OKAY. IT'S WILD YOU. THEN YOU'VE GOT TWO BEDROOM, ONE BATH HOUSES ON THE SAME STREET.

SO MY HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1959. I AM A RENTER, SO I, I'VE BEEN IN MY HOUSE FOR FIVE YEARS. I MY HOUSE IS IN BETTER CONDITION THAN MOST OF THE RENTERS OR MOST OF THE HOMEOWNERS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THAT IS BECAUSE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, EVERYONE THAT CAME TO OUR SCHOOL GREEN OPENING, THERE WERE THREE WOMEN THERE IN THEIR 90S THAT HAVE LIVED IN THEIR HOMES SINCE THEY WERE BUILT, AND THEY ARE STILL THERE. MISS HARDCASTLE, BLESS HER LITTLE HEART, THEY WANT TO PUT HER IN A HOME AND SHE'S LIKE, ABSOLUTELY NOT HER. HER BROTHER IN LAW BUILT THAT HOUSE AND SHE'S GOING TO SHE'S GOING TO DIE IN THAT HOUSE. SHE'S ALREADY SAID IT. SO THINKING THAT WE WOULD PUSH THOSE PEOPLE OUT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS OR OUT OF OUR CITY IS. DISTURBING. SO I, I JUST WANT EVERYONE TO KEEP THAT IN MIND, THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT GENTRIFYING YOUR CITY, YOU'RE PUSHING OUT THAT CULTURE ALSO. AND THEN ALSO AND YOU MIGHT HAVE ANSWERS FOR THIS, BUT WHEN CITIES REALLY START THE GENTRIFICATION PROCESS,

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AND MY MY BIG CONCERN IS WHAT WHAT'S THAT GOING TO LOOK LIKE IF WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THISROCESS. SO I THINK THOSE ARE I WOULD GO BACK TO, TO THE THING I'D KEEP IN MIND IF I WOULD NEVER RUN FOR CITY COUNCIL. BUT IF I WERE IN YOUR SEAT, SMART MAN. I, I WOULD, I WOULD BE, I WOULD BE ASKING OF. OF THE CITY MANAGER, OF ANDY, OF BECKY. RIGHT. WHAT HOW HOW HOW DO WE DO BOTH AND HOW DO WE DO THAT. RIGHT. HOW DO WE GROW. RIGHT. OUR, OUR OUR FISCAL STRENGTH. HOW DO RIGHT. HOW DO WE DO THAT. BECAUSE WE HAVE TO DO THAT RIGHT. HOW DO WE DO IT IN A WAY THAT'S INCLUSIVE. RIGHT. SO IT'S ABOUT HOW DO WE DO THAT. AND THE THE, THE ABSOLUTE WORST THING TO DO TO ACHIEVE THAT IS TO SPEND A LITTLE BIT EVERYWHERE, RIGHT? BY BY FOCUSING ON AN AREA AND GETTING AN AREA RIGHT AND HAVING AN AMBITION FOR ECONOMIC DIVERSITY. RIGHT. THAT MEANS WHEN IT WHEN AND IF THERE'S A NEW BUILDING COMING ON. RIGHT.

IT'S IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GOT AN INCOME MIX. RIGHT. AND IF THERE IS A NEW SUBDIVISION, IT'S GOT AN INCOME MIX. RIGHT. WE'RE DIVERSIFYING AS WE AS WE GROW. WE ABSOLUTELY WANT TO HAVE THAT COMMITMENT. THAT'S LIKE YOUR INSURANCE POLICY, RIGHT IS TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. AND THAT WOULD BE MY THAT THAT'S HOW I WOULD VIEW WHATEVER WE END UP COLLABORATING WITH YOU ON TO PRODUCE. RIGHT. WE SHOULD PASS THAT THAT THAT TEST OF HOW CAN WE WALK AND CHEW GUM AT THE SAME TIME. RIGHT? RIGHT. WHAT WHAT WAS THE LADY'S NAME THE NIGHT THAT LADY ON YOUR BLOCK.

OH, MISS HARDCASTLE, HOW CAN HOW DO WE SERVE MRS. HARDCASTLE'S HOUSING NEEDS.

RIGHT. AND HOW DO WE GROW THE CITY'S ECONOMY AT THE SAME TIME? HOW DO WE DO THAT? RIGHT. AND AND SINCE WE CAN'T DO THAT EVERYWHERE AT ONCE, WHERE DO WE START? AND AND HOW DO HOW DO WE DO THAT? THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT IN A STRATEGY. SURE. SO AND I KNOW THAT HOUSES IN GARLAND ARE STAYING ON THE MARKET BETWEEN 80 AND 90 DAYS RIGHT NOW. IF YOU HAVEN'T CRUISED ZILLOW, I HIGHLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK AT WHY THEY'RE STAYING ON THE MARKET FOR 80 TO 90 DAYS, BECAUSE NO ONE WANTS TO PAY $300,000 FOR A HOUSE THAT HAS A BUNCH OF WALLPAPER ON IT, AND A SHOWER HEAD IN BETWEEN THE TOILET AND THE HAND SINK. THAT IS TRUE STORY. IT'S ON HILLSDALE. YOU CAN LOOK IT UP. SO AND PART OF THAT IS, AGAIN, US NOT HOLDING UP OUR END OF OUR PERMITTING AND OUR THIS AND OUR INSPECTIONS. AND SO I THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT PLAY INTO WHY WE ARE WHERE WE ARE. AND I THINK THAT WE NEED TO ALSO DO A HARD LOOK AT WHAT WE'VE DONE OR FAILED TO DO THAT HAVE GOTTEN US INTO THIS SITUATION AND CORRECT IT THE BEST WAY POSSIBLE FOR ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS, SO THAT WE'RE NOT PUSHING OUT PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN HERE LOYALLY AND AFTER. I MEAN, WE'VE JUST REDID ALL OF OUR PARKS. IT'S BECAUSE OF OUR CURRENT RESIDENTS. IT'S IT WASN'T WITH, YOU KNOW, THE THE PLANO MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR MAKING FAMILIES IN MIND. IT WAS FOR OUR RESIDENTS. WE DO THINGS FOR OUR RESIDENTS. WE HAVE THE TEJANO BAND THAT COMES AND PLAYS AND HAS THE BIGGEST TURNOUT OF ALL OF THE EVENTS FOR OUR RESIDENTS, BECAUSE THAT'S OUR DEMOGRAPHICS. SO I JUST WANT EVERYONE TO KIND OF KEEP THAT IN MIND. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MA'AM. COUNCIL MEMBER BEARD OKAY, MY TOPIC HAS CHANGED A COUPLE OF TIMES SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. FIRST OF ALL, I HAD NEVER HEARD THE TERM OTHER FAMILY, AND THAT'S SURPRISING BECAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW WE JUST MADE IT UP. NEIGHBORS ON BOTH SIDES OF ME FIT THAT CATEGORY. SO I JUST THOUGHT THAT WAS INTERESTING. AND BOTH BOTH OF THEM ARE GREAT NEIGHBORS. MY ISSUE WITH OUR DISTRICT IS WE ARE BUILT OUT THE FEW LITTLE PIECES OF LAND THAT COULD BE SINGLE FAMILY ARE EITHER CURRENTLY BEING BUILT, OR ARE IN THE PROCESS OF THEY'RE IN THE PLANNING STAGES, AND MOST OF THOSE WERE OLD 1940S HOUSES THAT WERE BULLDOZED AND NOW THE LOTS BEING REDEVELOPED. SO WHAT WE NEED AND THE ONLY PLACES THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE ARE PLACES FOR MULTI-FAMILY. WE HAVE SOME VERY POOR MULTIFAMILY IN THE CITY, ESPECIALLY AROUND THE DOWNTOWN AREA. HOW DO WE. GET QUALITY MULTIFAMILY AND HOW

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THAT'S A WHAT'S THAT NUMBER. IT'S $1 BILLION. YEAH OKAY. THAT'S A FAIR BET. OF WHAT.

IT'S WHAT WHAT THE PRICE TAG OF UPGRADING YOUR BAD MULTIFAMILY. I'M NOT TRYING TO GILD THE LILY HERE, BUT. CITY MANAGER, ARE YOU SITTING ON GENERAL FUND OF $1 BILLION? THAT'S UNRESTRICTED.

UNRESTRICTED, UNRESTRICTED. OKAY, I'M NOT I'M NOT MAKING. I'M NOT MAKING LIGHT OF IT.

WHAT I'M SAYING IS. THE ANSWER, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T DO IT ALL IS NOT TO NOT DO ANYTHING, OKAY? IT'S TO START SOMEWHERE. KNOW THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PROVIDE GAP FINANCING BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE PRIVATE SECTOR WON'T DO IT. OKAY. AND SO YOU COULD YOU COULD FOR INSTANCE A GOOD A GOOD WAY TO APPROACH THIS COUNCILWOMAN WOULD BE TO JUST TAKE 75,000 TIMES 100.

RIGHT? SO FOR EVERY 100 UNITS YOU NEED ABOUT SEVEN, SEVEN, YOU KNOW, SEVEN, $8 MILLION.

OKAY. SOMEWHERE. OKAY. SO THAT'S A THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY. RIGHT. AND SO THAT FIRST PROJECT THAT YOU GOT FINANCED, IT'D BETTER BE WELL DONE. YOU BETTER DO A GREAT JOB WITH IT. YOU BETTER HAVE A GREAT OWNER. YOU BETTER MAKE SURE THAT THAT YOU KNOW THAT THEY'VE GOT THEY HAVE MORTGAGED THEIR KIDNEY. THAT OWNER IS GIVING YOU THE RIGHTS TO THEIR KIDNEY BEFORE YOU HELP THEM YOU WANT TO HAVE THAT, HAVEGHT. THEM SIGNED OVER THEIR FIRST AND SECOND BORN, RIGHT. YOU WANT YOU WANT CLAUSE INTO THEM OKAY. YOU WANTO MAKE SURE YOU GET A GREAT PRODUCT OKAY. AND SO YOU START INCREMENTALLY. YOU NEVER WAVER ON QUALITY. YOU MAKE SURE YOU GET A GREAT PRODUCT. YOU HAVE A GREAT OWNER WITH ASSET MANAGEMENT EXPERIENCE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT EXPERIENCE. AND YOU CHIP AWAY AT IT PIECE BY PIECE BY PIECE ON YOUR EXISTING MULTIFAMILY. RIGHT WHEN YOU DO THAT ENOUGH TIMES AND YOU DON'T SCATTER IT, YOU WILL SEND A SIGNAL TO THE MARKET, RIGHT? SO THAT THE FOLLOWING HAPPENS. THE FIRST PROJECT COST YOU $75,000 IN GAP FINANCING FOR EACH OF THE HUNDRED UNITS. NEXT ONE'S GOING TO COST YOU 70, THE NEXT ONE AFTER THAT, IT'S GOING TO COST YOU 55, THE NEXT ONE AFTER THAT, IT'S GOING TO COST YOU 35. RIGHT. EVERY TIME YOU DO A GREAT PROJECT, RIGHT AND RIGHT NEXT TO IT, YOU DO ANOTHER GREAT PROJECT. NOT IN ANOTHER DISTRICT, NOT IN ANOTHER DISTRICT, BUT RIGHT IN THE SAME DISTRICT. YOU'RE GOING TO SEND A SIGNAL TO TO THE PARTY WHO'S THINKING OF ACQUIRING ONE OF THOSE BUILDINGS, RIGHT. AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE LESS RISK.

RIGHT. SO YOU'RE SLOWLY UPGRADING BY MAKING GREAT DECISIONS ONE AFTER ANOTHER.

THAT'S HOW YOU DO IT. YOU COULD TOTALLY DO THAT AND TOTALLY SUCCEED WITH THAT. IS THAT IS THAT YOUR PART OF IT? PART OF IT? WHAT DID I MISS? OH. IT'S HARD TO SAY THE ISSUE. I MEAN, LIKE I SAID. AND THEN HOW DO WE HOW DO WE GET THOSE PEOPLE TO BUY INTO IT? AND THEN HOW DO WE.

WELL, OKAY, SO HERE'S AN EXAMPLE I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. YOU GOT TO SET YOUR FIRE MARSHAL LOOSE, OKAY. YOU GOT TO TAKE THE SHACKLES OFF THE FIRE MARSHAL AND TAKE THE SHACKLES OFF OF PD AND TAKE SHACKLES OFF OF CODE ENFORCEMENT AND CUT THEM LOOSE.

YOU KNOW WHERE THE PROBLEMS ARE, RIGHT? YOU WANT TO RENDER CERTAIN MULTIFAMILY PROPERTIES SO ODIOUS TO OWN AND OPERATE AT THEIR CURRENT CURRENT LEVEL, RIGHT? THAT THEY PUT THEM UP

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THANK YOU. MA'AM. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMAS. YES. BACK TO SLIDE 33. IF YOU COULD, MY DISTRICT IS IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE CITY, AND I WAS PLEASANTLY SURPRISED. IF YOU SEE THE LARGE GREEN SQUARE MILE IN THE NORTHWEST THAT IS MY HOME NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE MILE SOUTH OF THAT IN YELLOW IS BETWEEN MINE AND THEN THE BIG PINK ONE THERE IS OAK RIDGE, THE MAYOR'S NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD WE'RE TALKING RIGHT HERE. SO. SO, YEAH. SO THAT THAT ONE RIGHT THERE AND SOME OF THAT THAT'S, THAT'S NOT SHADED AT ALL IS, IS MINE AS WELL. I CAN TELL YOU THAT IN, IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE MAYOR'S NEIGHBORHOOD, WE BOTH HAVE VERY STRONG VOLUNTEER NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS. AND I THINK THAT I WAS SURPRISED, PLEASANTLY SURPRISED TO SEE THAT THOSE ARE COLORED AS THEY ARE. AND BUT I HAVE TO CREDIT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS WITH. WE HAVE WE HAVE A WE HAVE A CODE PATROL AND WE'VE GOT A THAT'S ONE OF OUR STANDING COMMITTEES ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. AND THE RAT PATROL GOES OUT AND ONCE A MONTH GOES OUT AND DOES A WHOLE BIG LIST OF POSSIBLE VIOLATIONS AND TURNS THOSE INTO CODE FOR REINSPECTION AND CODE GOES OUT AND VERIFIES THAT THAT'S AN ACTUAL VIOLATION OR ACTUALLY OUR OUR COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN TAKES THE LIST AND SAYS, THAT'S NOT IT. THAT'S NOT ONE THAT'S CALLED A RAT PATROL. WE'RE RATTING THEM OUT. DO YOU HAVE T SHIRTS? NO, NO, THEY KIND OF THEY KIND OF KEEP DOWN LOW. BUT

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HOW ABOUT THANK YOU. THANK YOU BOTH FOR THE PRESENTATION. THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU SIR.

MAYOR PRO TEM LUCHT. HI. THANK YOU SO MUCH. FIRST OF ALL, WHAT DOES NSA MEAN? I MISSED IT DURING YOUR PRESENTATION. THAT IS YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE AREA. SO. OR STATISTICAL AREA.

DID WE EVER LAND ON THAT? IT STARTED MANY YEARS AGO AS NEIGHBORHOOD STATISTICAL AREA.

AND IT'S HOW WE CAPTURED DATA AND SURVEY RESPONSES. GREAT. ONE NICE THING ABOUT IT IS THEY WERE SUBDIVISION PLOTS AT ONE POINT IN TIME. AND SO THE HOUSING WITHIN THEM IS FAIRLY HOMOGENEOUS. IT'S FAIRLY SIMILAR WITHIN A NEIGHBORHOOD STATISTICAL AREA. I'D ALSO LIKE TO BRING UP TO COUNCIL THAT AUTO USES WERE BROUGHT UP AGAIN IN ANOTHER PRESENTATION, AS A THING THAT WE SHOULD NOT BE FOCUSING ON. SO JUST PUTTING THAT OUT THERE FOR FUTURE REFERENCE WHEN I MENTION IT AGAIN AT OUR NEXT ZONING CASE FOR AN AUTO USE. SO STRATEGIES FOR RAISING STANDARDS. THAT'S WHAT THIS IS. BASICALLY IT'S A MORE BANG FOR YOUR BUCK REVITALIZATION PROGRAM. STRATEGIC REVITALIZATION AREA. AND I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO MENTION THE INTERSECTIONS OF THOSE BLACK DOTS. I JUST LIKE THEM. SO I DIDN'T MEAN TO BE FLIP. I

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THANK YOU. PLEASE. SO ONE OF THOSE INTERSECTIONS IS BELTLINE AND NORTH GARLAND. AND THEN DOWNTOWN. REALLY THEY'RE TREATING THE ENTIRE DISTRICT AS A DOT. THE DOWNTOWN ACTION PLAN WILL DIG INTO THOSE DETAILS. THEN YOU'VE GOT I BELIEVE THAT'S SATURN AND KINGSLEY FIRST IN KINGSLEY AND THEN WHAT IS THAT? NORTHWEST HIGHWAY AND SATURN AND SATURN, FIRST KINGS SEVEN AND THEN OVER ON BROADWAY, YOU'VE GOT BROADWAY, WIND, JOYCE AND BROADWAY NOTES. GREAT.

AND THOSE DOTS REPRESENT WHAT THEY BELIEVE ARE THE THE BEST OPPORTUNITY FOR MULTIFAMILY, HIGHER END MULTIFAMILY, AT THE LEAST INCENTIVE. IS THAT CORRECT FOR REGIONAL MARKET GROWTH AND AND AND INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS, HIGH VISIBILITY INTERSECTIONS THAT WILL REALLY WE THINK THOSE GET POLISHED AND REDEVELOPED. THEY BEGIN TO REALLY REPOSITION THE CITY IN THE REGION. AND THE REASON THAT YOU CHOSE THESE INTERSECTIONS PARTICULARLY, IS BECAUSE IN OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY, THE COST EFFECTIVENESS OF REVITALIZATION IN SOME OF THOSE AREAS WOULD BE TOO MUCH OR TOO LITTLE, LIKE YOU'RE LOOKING AT SOMEWHERE WHERE WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF RETURN ON OUR INVESTMENT BECAUSE THE CITY WILL AT SOME POINT HAVE TO INCENTIVIZE DEVELOPMENT IN THESE AREAS, RIGHT? YEAH. YES. I WOULD JUST SAY THAT THERE'S TWO VARIABLES YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO THINK ABOUT. OKAY. SO ONE IS THE SIZE OF THE GAP ON ANY PARTICULAR DEAL. RIGHT. OR LET'S JUST SAY PER UNIT OF MANY UNITS HOWEVER YOU LOOK AT IT. BUT THE SIZE OF THE GAP RIGHT RELATIVE TO THE HOLE. RIGHT. AND THEN THE SECOND IS. WHAT KIND OF WHAT KIND OF A LEVERAGE DO YOU GET ON CLOSING THAT GAP. RIGHT. SO IF THE GAP IS $100, CAN YOU COUNT ON THE PRIVATE SECTOR IN SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM TO CLOSE TO PUT 90? AND IF YOU PUT TEN RIGHT, OR DO YOU NEED TO PUT IN 20 TO DRIVE 80, OR DO YOU NEED TO PUT IN 50 TO DRIVE 50 AND SO FORTH AND SO ON AT THOSE DOTS. RIGHT. YOU HAVE A MARRIAGE OF A LOWER GAP AND A HIGHER LEVERAGE, RIGHT? SO THAT YOUR PUBLIC RESOURCES ARE FEWER RIGHT, FOR LESS LONG AND WITH A HIGHER RATE OF RETURN. THAT MAKE SENSE? ABSOLUTELY. AND SO YOU'VE GOT YOU COULD PUT 50 DOTS ON THE MAP. WE LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, JUST 3 OR 4 DOZEN DOTS. THOSE ARE THE ONES WHERE YOU HAVE THE BEST MARRIAGE OF THOSE TWO VARIABLES. CAN YOU GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE OF A PLACE IN OUR REGION WHERE YOU SEE AN AREA WHERE WE'VE SEEN AN AREA GO TO PINK WITH MULTIFAMILY? NOT OFFHAND. OKAY. DOESN'T MEAN THEY DON'T EXIST. I UNDERSTAND THAT PART OF THE QUESTION. SO THINK ABOUT THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT IN THE FUTURE. I'M SURE WE'LL SEE YOU AGAIN, I HOPE SO, YOU'RE INVITED. YES. SO WE WILL BE HAPPY TO TO EVEN IF WE WEREN'T COMING BACK. IT'S A QUESTION THAT DESERVES AN ANSWER. AND OKAY, GREAT. BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE WAYS THAT YOU EXPLAIN TO PEOPLE THIS IS WHY WE NEED THIS. BECAUSE LOOK AT THIS PLACE.

THIS IS HOW WE TURN THE TABLES THERE. AND AND THAT'S ONE OF THE WAYS THAT YOU EXPLAIN TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS. WELL, I KNOW YOU DON'T REALLY WANT ANOTHER APARTMENT COMPLEX, BUT THIS APARTMENT COMPLEX IS GOING TO TURN AROUND THIS ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THIS IS HOW I WOULD I WOULD SAY ONE THING AND SHAME ON ME FOR MEETING MY CLIENT ON MY LEFT TO REMIND ME OF IT. BUT. YEAH, YOU HAVE. I MEAN, YOU'RE FIRING ON ALL CYLINDERS DOWNTOWN. YOU'RE ACTUALLY DOING SOME REALLY GREAT THINGS. RIGHT? AND SO YOUR PROOF OF CONCEPT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO. WE WILL LOOK WE WILL WE WILL LOOK AT RICHARDSON. WE WILL WE WILL LOOK ACROSS THE REGION. RIGHT. BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO ACTUALLY LOOK OUTSIDE OF GARLAND FOR PROOF. RIGHT.

BUT I THINK THAT A LOT OF THE MAJORITY OF THE HOUSING AROUND DOWNTOWN IS STILL CONSIDERED AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THAT'S WHERE YOUR MARKET IS. YES, BUT IT IS SO. AND I'M TALKING ABOUT REACHING PINK. YES. YEAH. POINT TAKEN. OKAY. WE WILL GET YOU AN ANSWER. SO WHERE YOU'RE LOOKING

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AND AND AND I KNOW THAT THAT GIVES YOU A LOT OF MONEY ON DCAD SOMETIMES, BUT THAT'S JUST NOT WHAT PEOPLE SEE WHEN THEY'RE DRIVING DOWN A STREET. THEY DON'T SEE JUST WINDOWS, THEY SEE THE WHOLE THE WHOLE FACADE, AND THEY SEE THE YARD. AND DON'T GET ME WRONG, I HAVEN'T TRIMMED MY SHRUBS IN WEEKS AND THEY REALLY NEED IT. SO I'M PART OF THAT PROBLEM TOO.

AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT THAT I'M PERFECT BY ANY MEANS, BUT I WILL DO IT THIS WEEKEND. LIFE HAPPENS. I HAVE BEEN GUILTED INTO PICKING UP THE WEED WHACKER, SO I. I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL OF THE TIME AND EFFORT YOU'VE PUT INTO THIS. I REALLY HOPE THAT WE GET TO SEE YOU AGAIN, ESPECIALLY IN CONJUNCTION WITH VIRGINITY, BECAUSE I THINK THAT WE'LL OBVIOUSLY THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE DOING GO HAND IN HAND, AND I WANT TO SEE ALL BOTH OF YOU PLAY OFF OF EACH OTHER BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME THINGS IN VIRGINITY GARLAND FORWARD PLAN THAT DRAW THE SAME IRE AND THE SAME. CONFLICT AS SOME OF THE THINGS IN YOUR PLAN. SO I THINK THAT IF WE CAN FIND A COMPROMISE BETWEEN THE TWO, THEN WE HAVE SOMETHING. NOBODY WINS AND COMPROMISE. BUT I THINK EVERYBODY WINS IN COMPROMISE. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT EVERYBODY, LAST CHANCE. ONE QUESTION I HAVE JUST YOU MENTIONED THE NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY PROGRAM, BUT ALSO ONE OF YOUR MYTHS, THE ONE YOU'VE POINTED OUT SEVERAL TIMES IS THAT WORST WORKS FIRST IS NOT TRUE, THAT WE CAN'T PUT OUR MONEY TOWARDS THE BOTTOM OF THE STACK AND EXPECT TO GET A BIG IMPROVEMENT OUT OF IT. OUR NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY PROGRAM IS CURRENTLY IS IS ONLY TARGETED AT THE BOTTOM HALF OF THE HOUSING MARKET. SO IF YOU'RE YOU HAVE TO BE BELOW THE MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD HOUSE VALUE TO GET GRANT MONEY. WHAT I HEAR IT SOUNDS LIKE WE MAY NEED TO MODIFY THAT PROGRAM TO NOT ONLY AND ALSO IT'S ALSO SCATTERED ACROSS THE CITY, MODIFY THAT PROGRAM, OPEN IT UP AND FOCUS IT TO MAKE A REAL DIFFERENCE IN THAT. IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? YES, YES. AND THAT PROGRAM IS ONE OF THE LENGTHY LIST OF THINGS THAT BECKY HAS US LOOKING AT, JUST TO SEE HOW WE MIGHT RETOOL IT, NOT NECESSARILY REPLACE IT, YOU KNOW, AND IN SOME CASES, THEY MIGHT. THE RECOMMENDATION MIGHT BE TO LEAVE IT ALONE, LEAVE IT OPERATING AS IS. AND IN OTHER CASES IT MIGHT BE TO SHIFT IT, SHIFT THE GEOGRAPHY THAT IT FOCUSES ON, SHIFT THE OR OPEN UP THE INCOME LEVEL THAT IT FOCUSES ON. SO YES, AND WE'RE ALL ALWAYS LIMITED IN HOW MUCH MONEY IS AVAILABLE. OF COURSE THAT'S ANOTHER DIFFICULTY. BUT ANOTHER BIG TAKEAWAY I'M TAKING FROM THIS PRESENTATION IS THAT WE CAN'T BE SO PROUD OF OUR OWN DISTRICTS THAT IF WE REALLY WANT TO DO WHAT'S BETTER FOR THE ENTIRE CITY, WE HAVE TO FOCUS OUR EFFORTS. AND I KNOW EVERYONE WANTS TO BRING HOME THE BACON ON THEIR OWN DISTRICTS, BUT IF YOU REALLY WANT TO RAISE THAT TIDE FOR THE WHOLE CITY, IT REALLY NEED TO FOCUS. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND I LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR FINAL REPORT WHEN IT COMES OUT. THANK YOU MAYOR, IF I CAN. I HATE TO EVEN FOLLOW THAT UP BECAUSE I THINK YOU CLOSED IT OUT. WELL, BUT THERE WERE A LOT OF PIECES MENTIONED HERE BY COUNCIL AND STAFF AS FAR AS EITHER POLICY INITIATIVES THAT ARE IN PLACE AND, AND CURRENTLY BEING DISCUSSED OR FOR EXAMPLE, OUR $75 MILLION ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BOND PACKAGE THAT WE HAVE SITTING HERE TOO. SO THERE'S THERE'S A LOT OF PIECES THAT WE'RE COORDINATING OUTSIDE OF THIS, BUT THIS IS REALLY GUIDING A LOT OF DECISIONS AS FAR AS NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY PROGRAMS, I KNOW THERE'S SEVERAL COMMUNITY OR SORRY COMMITTEE ITEMS THAT ARE OUTSTANDING. LOOKING AT HIP AND OUR 380 AGREEMENTS FOR HOME IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH KIND OF I

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[6. Potential Amendments to the Garland Development Code (“GDC”) Regarding Expiration of Zoning Cases for Prolonged Applicant Inactivity]

OUR NEXT ITEM IS ITEM SIX, POTENTIAL AMENDMENTS TO THE GARLAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REGARDING EXPIRATION OF ZONING CASES FOR PROLONGED APPLICANT INACTIVITY. THANK YOU MAYOR.

AFTER ALL THAT EXCITING DISCUSSION, THIS WILL REALLY FEEL LIKE A NORMAL HOUSEKEEPING ITEM. SO THE PURPOSE IS TO ESTABLISH A 180 DAY TIMELINE FOR ZONING CASES THAT HAVE BEEN INACTIVE. AND BY INACTIVE WE MEAN NO COMMUNICATION, NO UPDATE, NO GOOD FAITH EFFORT FROM THE APPLICANT'S PART. THAT SHOWS US THEY'RE STILL INTERESTED IN THAT ZONING CASE TO ESTABLISH THAT TIMELINE FOR TO DEEM THOSE CASES WITHDRAWN OR EXPIRED AFTER THE 180 DAY, WHICH IS SIX MONTHS, GIVE OR TAKE. OH, SORRY. SO THE PURPOSE WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THIS AMENDMENT? SO WHEN I SEND OUT THE THE FUTURE CASES MEMO EVERY MONTH, Y'ALL WILL SEE.

SOMETIMES THERE ARE CASES THAT ARE OVER TWO YEARS OLD. AND WE TRY TO KEEP COMMUNICATION. WE TRY TO KEEP THE COMMUNICATION OPEN WITH THE APPLICANT. WE SEND EMAILS, WE CALL, AND SOMETIMES THERE'S NO RESPONSES, WHICH ALMOST TELLS US THAT THEY ARE NOT INTERESTED TO PURSUE THE CASE ANYMORE. BUT IT KIND OF CREATES A LITTLE BIT OF STAGNANCY. IF THAT'S A WORD ON OUR END, FOR US TO KIND OF KEEP TRACK OF THOSE CASES. SO WE WANT TO KIND OF ESTABLISH A TIMELINE TO BETTER TRACK THOSE CASES. AND THE OTHER PIECES. ONCE AN APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED, THEIR VESTED TO THE STANDARDS THAT ARE SET IN PLACE ON THE DAY OF THE SUBMITTAL, WITH THE WHOLE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE HOUSING STUDY, WITH A LOT OF GDC AMENDMENTS THAT WE CAN ANTICIPATE, THOSE CAN CREATE AN ISSUE WHERE SOMEONE HAS SUBMITTED A CASE, SUBMITTED A ZONING CASE. BUT IT'S BEEN A COUPLE, IT'S BEEN A YEAR OR SOMETHING, AND THE THE RULES HAVE CHANGED, BUT IT CREATES SOME CONFUSION BECAUSE STAFF THEN HAS TO KIND OF KEEP UP WITH THE OLD REGULATIONS THAT APPLY TO THAT PARTICULAR ZONING CASE, BECAUSE THEY'RE VESTED IN THOSE STANDARDS. SO WE ALSO WANT TO KIND OF TACKLE THAT WITH THIS AMENDMENT. WE DID LOOK AT SOME PEER CITIES. EVERYONE HAS THEIR OWN KIND OF POLICY AND PROCEDURE FOR THAT.

THE ONE CITY THAT CONSISTENTLY DOES IT IS DALLAS. THEY HAVE THEIR 180 DAYS, AND THEY DO SEND NOTIFICATIONS EVERY TWO MONTHS LETTING THEM KNOW THAT, HEY, YOU HAVE BEEN INACTIVE FOR THIS LONG AFTER AFTER 180 DAYS, YOUR YOUR YOUR CASE WILL BE EXPIRED. OTHER CITIES DO IT FROM A POLICY STANDPOINT, BUT IT'S NOT AS CONSISTENT AS WE FOUND IT TO BE IN DALLAS. SO WE SIMPLY WANT TO INSERT THAT TIMELINE IN THE IN THE GDC. AND WE KIND OF CREATED I'LL SHOW YOU THE LANGUAGE, BUT WE WILL BE PROVIDING NOTIFICATIONS AT REGULAR INTERVALS, AND WE'LL BE USING OUR NEW SOFTWARE THAT WE WILL IMPLEMENT SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE. SALES FORCE TO DO THAT AS WELL. ONCE A CASE IS DEEMED EXPIRED, THEY WILL HAVE TO REAPPLY TO PURSUE THE SAME REQUEST. THEY'LL HAVE TO REAPPLY AND PAY THE APPLICABLE FEES. SO THIS IS THE LANGUAGE THAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO INCLUDE. IT'S JUST ONE PARAGRAPH. AN APPLICATION FOR A CHANGE OF ZONING SHALL EXPIRE AND CONSIDERED WITHDRAWN FOLLOWING THE 180TH DAY AFTER

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THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. PRO TEM LUCK. CAN YOU DEFINE LACK OF COMMUNICATION? BECAUSE ONE OF CAN SOMEONE CALL OR EMAIL EVERY 180 DAYS AND SAY, WE'RE STILL GOING TO DO IT, AND THEN JUST KEEP ON THAT? YOU KNOW WHAT? I'M WHAT I'M SAYING IT IS IT THE GOOD FAITH EFFORT IS A LITTLE KIND OF SUBJECTIVE. BUT YES, IN THOSE SITUATIONS WE WILL CONSIDER, IF THEY DO END UP COMMUNICATING WITH STAFF AND LETTING US KNOW WHAT IS IT THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON. MAYBE IT'S COMMUNICATION WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THEY'RE WAITING FOR A MEETING, OR THERE'S SOME FEEDBACK THAT THEY RECEIVE FROM SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THEY WANT TO WORK ON, ON THEIR CONCEPT PLAN. IF IT'S THINGS LIKE THAT, AND WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON IT, THAT IS THAT DOES SHOW THAT THERE'S ACTIVITY ON THE APPLICATION. RIGHT? BUT WHAT IF THEY'RE JUST SAYING THAT BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY OR WHATEVER AT, YOU KNOW, FOR WHAT, IN PERPETUITY? I MEAN, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT YOU CAN PUT IN LANGUAGE THAT LIKE SOME KIND OF MARKER THAT'S ACTUAL PROGRESS, THAT TAKES AWAY THE ABILITY FOR SOMEONE TO JUST PAY LIP SERVICE EVERY 180 DAYS? YES. THAT'S IN THE LANGUAGE AS WRITTEN AS SHE PRESENTED TO Y'ALL THAT ACTUALLY WILL COVER IT, BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE A GOOD FAITH EFFORT. AND QUITE FRANKLY, THE STAFF CAN REQUIRE THEM TO DO SOMETHING BEFORE THE NEXT COMMUNICATION OF ACTUAL SUBSTANCE OTHER THAN MAKING A PHONE CALL. OKAY, OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. MA'AM. COUNCIL MEMBER BASS THANK YOU. YEAH. MY QUESTION WAS ALSO ABOUT THE SUBJECTIVITY OF THE WAY IT'S WORDED, BUT OKAY. IN ADDITION TO THAT THOUGH, THE SUBMITTING NEW APPLICATION WITH APPLICABLE FEES, I GUESS WE'VE ALREADY RAN THAT THROUGH OUR LEGAL THAT WE CAN CHARGE THEM A FEE A SECOND TIME ONCE IT'S EXPIRED. YES, SIR. THIS LANGUAGE HAS BEEN RAN OUT. YEAH. THANK YOU, THANK YOU SIR. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I THINK THIS IS A GREAT IDEA, BUT DO YOU HAVE AN EXAMPLE FOR THE PUBLIC? AN EXAMPLE OF HOW LONG? WHAT IS THE LONGEST CASE THAT YOU STILL HAVE THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED ACTIVE RIGHT NOW? I HAVE SEEN ONE FROM EARLY 2023.

IT WAS 20 3-02. IT'S ACTUALLY IN DISTRICT TWO. WE HAVE TRIED TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE APPLICANT, BUT IT IS PRETTY CLEAR THEY HAVE. THEY DON'T NECESSARILY INTEND TO PURSUE THAT CASE ANYMORE. SO IT HAS BEEN INFORMALLY DEEMED WITHDRAWAL. I MEAN, NOT FORMALLY BECAUSE THIS AMENDMENT HAS NOT TAKEN PLACE YET, BUT ONCE THIS IS APPROVED OR IF THIS IS APPROVED, WE WILL DEEM THAT EXPIRED. OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME SIR. THANK YOU SIR. COUNCILMEMBER THOMAS. YES, OF COURSE I'M THINKING OF Z 2311 I KNOW, I THOUGHT YOU I THOUGHT OF THAT. I THOUGHT YOU WOULD BE TALKING ABOUT THAT ONE. AND SO YEAH, WE HAVEN'T HEARD IT AT ALL FROM THOSE GUYS. I DON'T THINK SINCE THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING. CORRECT.

WE HAD SEVERAL MONTHS AGO NOW. BUT MY QUESTION IS, IS THAT GUY GRANDFATHERED IN? HE GOT HIS PERMIT UNDER THE OLD RULES. AND ARE THOSE GUYS GOING TO BE AUTOMATICALLY SHUT DOWN? THIS ORDINANCE GOES IN. IS THERE ANY ANYTHING WE COULD DO OR IS HE OR IS HE ALREADY IN. HE CAN STALL AS LONG AS HE WANTS IN MY OPINION. ONCE WE HAVE IT APPROVED AND THEY ARE INACTIVE FOR SIX MONTHS, WE CAN DEEM THEM EXPIRED. IS THAT DO YOU AGREE OR NOT? WELL, I WAS I WAS

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OKAY, SO CASE Z 2311 WAS FOR SOME SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES IN CAMELOT NEIGHBORHOOD ON THAT LOT. IT'S NEXT TO A CHURCH. THEY SOLD A 1.75 ACRES, AND THAT 1.75 ACRES IS A HUGE DRAINAGE DITCH. TODAY. IT'S TEN FEET DEEP, 20FT WIDE. AND SO TO PUT A PROJECT IN THERE. SO THOSE GUYS BOUGHT IT. I'M SURE THEY BOUGHT IT SIGHT UNSEEN. AND AND, YOU KNOW, SIGHT UNSEEN, CITY AND SIGHT UNSEEN S I G H T THAT JUST SAID SINGLE FAMILY. IT'S 1.75. LET'S BUY IT. AND THEN THEY GOT THERE AND THEY'VE GOT A HUGE DRAINAGE PROBLEM THAT THEY'VE GOT TO ADDRESS.

AND SO. THE, THE SO HE CAME FORWARD WITH A PLAN. BUT THEN IT KIND OF ENCROACHED ONTO THE CHURCH PROPERTY THAT WAS NEXT TO HIM AND KIND OF AND THEN YOU KNOW, HAD A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING. WE REALIZED THAT PLAN WASN'T GOING TO WORK. AND THEN SO HE SAID, OKAY, I'M GOING TO GO BACK AND I'M GOING TO REWORK MY PLAN TO SOMETHING THAT WILL THAT WILL WORK OUT FOR US.

AFTER FEEDBACK FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THAT MEETING WAS, I DON'T KNOW, IT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST MEETINGS I HAD WAS IN MAY, EARLY JUNE. AND OF COURSE, I'VE HEARD NOTHING SINCE. IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. IT'S IT'S OFF TOPIC FROM WHAT'S BEEN POSTED, BUT I'LL GET WITH YOU AN ANSWER FOR THAT SPECIFIC SITE. I JUST NEED TO KNOW MORE DETAILS ABOUT THE SITE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. SO REALLY MY MY. AND SO I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THAT CASE IN PARTICULAR.

IT'S JUST ANYTHING THAT IS ALREADY SIX MONTHS OVER PAST ITS DUE DATE. IT DEPENDS ON WHERE IN THE PROCESS THE PROPERTY, THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED. SO IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE THIS IS ONLY AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PROCESS BEFORE AN APPLICATION OR WHEN AN APPLICATION FOR ZONING IS BEING SUBMITTED. IT'S AT THAT. IT'S AT THAT POINT IT'S NOT AFTER THE ZONING HAS BEEN APPROVED. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU ARE IN THE PROCESS. WELL THERE WAS NO ZONING CHANGE, RIGHT? THIS WAS ALL SINGLE FAMILY SEVEN. SO IT WAS JUST LET'S AGAIN LET'S LET'S NOT TALK ABOUT THAT PROPERTY OR I'LL TALK TO YOU OFFLINE ABOUT IT OKAY. JUST SO WE STAY ON TOPIC OKAY. SO MY QUESTION REALLY GOES TO ARE THESE GUYS GRANDFATHERED IN OR. NO I THINK THE QUESTION IS ANY ACTIVE ZONING APPLICATION. IS THE SIX MONTHS RULE GOING TO APPLY TO THEM. OR WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO JUST APPLY TO NEW CASES COMING IN. OKAY. WHEN YOU SAY THESE GUYS, WHO ARE THESE GUYS, ANYBODY WITH A Z 24 OR EARLIER, LET'S JUST SAY THAT, OH, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YES.

THEY'RE GOING TO IT'S GOING TO FOLLOW WHEREVER THEY GOT THEIR WHENEVER THEY PUT THEIR APPLICATION IN, IT'S GOING TO FALL UNDER THAT TIMELINE. I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I'M SORRY I WAS CONFUSED ABOUT THE QUESTION, BUT YES, WE'VE GOT SOME Z23, LIKE SHE SAID AND SOME Z 24 THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT ARE NOTHING. NOBODY'S DOING ANYTHING WITH. THESE WILL APPLY TO APPLICATIONS THAT ARE MOVING FORWARD AFTER THE AFTER THE EFFECTIVE DATE. OKAY? OKAY. SO IN EFFECT, ANY OF THE 20 THREES AND THE 20 FOURS AREN'T AFFECTED BY THIS AT ALL. THEY ARE THEY'RE IN IT FOR AS LONG AS THEY WANT TO BE WHETHER THEY COMMUNICATE OR NOT. THAT'S CORRECT OKAY. VERY GOOD. THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S THAT WAS MY QUESTION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. MESSAGE TO ALL DEVELOPERS GET YOUR ZONING CASES IN NOW. COUNCIL MEMBER BEARD, THAT WAS MY QUESTION TOO BECAUSE OUR Z 2302 I'VE EVEN GONE BY AND TRIED TO TALK TO THE GUY ABOUT IT. HE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT. BUT IT STILL SHOWS UP EVERY TIME ON OUR IN THE LAST COUPLE ONES, YOU WOULDN'T SEE IT BECAUSE WE HAVE IT IN OUR BACK BURNER. SO IF THEY COME BACK, WE'RE NOT GOING TO CHARGE THEM A NEW FEE BECAUSE THEY'RE. BUT YOU WILL NOT SEE IT IN THE MEMO ANYMORE JUST BECAUSE IT JUST MAKES IT CONFUSING TO HAVE THOSE KEEP GOING. BUT I MEAN, FROM A FORMAL STANDPOINT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO CHARGE THEM ANOTHER FEE IF THEY EVER WANT TO COME BACK AND PURSUE. OKAY, THAT WAS JUST MY QUESTION, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, I WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT CASE. I ACTUALLY WENT BY AND TRIED TO TALK TO THE PEOPLE ABOUT THAT CASE. THE GUY THAT WAS MANAGER AT THE TIME DID NOT KNOW WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT, AND THOSE ARE THE SITUATIONS WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID IN THE FUTURE. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU MA'AM. AND JUST SO I'M CORRECT, A ZONING APPLICATION FEE IS $2,000, CORRECT? IT DEPENDS ON THE TYPE OF APPLICATION. THERE ARE STRAIGHT ZONING CASES, RENEWALS, NEW SETUPS, AND SOME OF THEM ARE PER ACREAGE. SO YEAH, FOR LARGER, LARGER SITES

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MAYBE IT'S A LITTLE SMALLER. AND IT IS ALSO TO ENCOURAGE THEM TO KEEP WORKING ON THEIR CASES AS WELL. 180 DAYS, YOU SAID A FEW OTHER MUNICIPALITIES HAVE THAT. ARE THERE OTHER OTHER CITIES THAT YOU'VE LOOKED AT? YOU SAID DALLAS IS 180 OR SOME LONGER OR SHORTER? I IMAGINE FEW WOULD BE LONGER. NO OTHER CITIES TRULY HAVE THIS SET IN STONE. THEY KIND OF DO IT AS THEY GO. IF A CASE HAS BEEN THERE FOR TOO LONG, THEY CLEAN IT UP. IT'S JUST FOR SITE PERMITS AND PERMITS. 180 DAYS IS PRETTY STANDARD ACROSS THE BOARD FOR ZONING CASES. IT'S NOT. SO WE WERE ONLY ABLE TO GET SOME FORMAL TIMELINE FROM DALLAS. ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL, YOU'VE HEARD THE TIMELINE FOR CONSENSUS ON THIS ITEM. IT'S UNANIMOUS. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU.

[7. Administrative Services Committee Report]

AND THAT IS. COUNCIL MEMBER BEARD. THAT'S YOUR COMMITTEE, I BELIEVE.

THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU SIR, I'M THE CHAIR OF THE ADMINIRATIVE SERVICES COMMITTEE. AND OUR OTHER MEMBERS ARE MAYOR PRO TEM AND COUNCIL MEMBER DUTTON. OUR LAST MEETING WAS AUGUST 28TH OF THIS YEAR. AND WE HAD TWO ISSUES THAT WE WERE BRINGING BACK TO COUNCIL. THE FIRST ONE IS OUR BOARD AND COMMISSION ENGAGEMENT, WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY REFERRED ON JANUARY 21ST WORK SESSION BY MAYOR PRO TEM AND SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER DUTTON. OUR KEY DISCUSSION POINTS WERE. BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS WILL PROVIDE AT LEAST ONE WRITTEN ANNUAL BRIEFING TO COUNCIL AT A WORK SESSION, AND BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS MAY OPT TO PROVIDE A VERBAL UPDATE, BUT IT'S NOT REQUIRED. SO WE ARE GOING TO REQUIRE ONE WRITTEN BRIEFING PER YEAR AND RECOMMEND ONE VERBAL. COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE ENCOURAGED TO MEET REGULARLY WITH THEIR APPOINTEES, AND PROVIDE GOALS AND FEEDBACK TAILORED TO EACH BOARD AND COMMISSION APPOINTMENT. WE HAVE JENNIFER AND PHIL HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU.

ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL. SEEING NONE. PLEASE CONTINUE. ALL RIGHT. OUR SECOND ISSUE ON THE TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL IS COUNCIL APPOINTEE EVALUATION PROCESS. AND THIS WAS A STAFF SUBMISSION. AND. WE HAVE A PACKET. I'M JUST GOING TO TURN THIS OVER TO MICHAEL BAY'S WITH CLEAR. I CAN'T TALK TONIGHT I'M SORRY. WITH CLEAR CAREER PROFESSIONALS AND HIM AND PHIL HE AND PHIL WILL UPDATE US ON THAT PROCESS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER BEARD.

BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO TO MR. BAYS, I WANTED TO QUICKLY GO OVER SOME OF THE DISCUSSION ITEMS THAT WERE PROVIDED AT THE AT THE COMMITTEE MEETING. WE WILL GET TO THE TO TO THE SCHEDULE, BUT WANTED TO TO DISCUSS THE COUPLE OF ITEMS UP FRONT. THE FIRST THERE WAS FEEDBACK THAT WAS RECEIVED ABOUT THE THE PACKET OF MATERIAL THAT IS RELATED TO THE APPOINTEES LEAVING THE THE EVALUATION PROCESS LAST YEAR THAT THERE WAS COMPENSATION INFORMATION AND THEN OTHER INFORMATION RELATED TO SURVEYS AND AND OTHER ITEMS THAT WERE IN SEPARATE ITEMS WITHIN THE BINDER. AND SO WE'LL WORK WITH THE THE GROUPS TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THE INFORMATION IS CONSOLIDATED. AND YOU'RE NOT HAVING TO FLIP BACK AND FORTH WITHIN THE WITHIN THE BINDERS. THERE WAS ALSO DISCUSSION ABOUT WANTING TO GET THE PRIOR TWO YEARS OF COMPENSATION AND BENEFITS FOR THE APPOINTEES AS WELL. SO WE WILL DEFINITELY WORK TO GET THAT INFORMATION. AND THEN PRIOR TO TO THE MEETING STARTING, SPOKE WITH MR. BAYS ABOUT GETTING THE CURRENT CONTRACTS THAT ARE IN PLACE NOW FOR THE APPOINTEES.

SO THEY HAVE THAT FOR REFERENCE TO BE ABLE TO TO LOOK AT. THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ITEM ABOUT INTERVIEWING THE DIRECT REPORTS, WHICH THE CLEAR CAREER PROFESSIONALS WILL ASSIST WITH.

AND THERE WAS ALSO DISCUSSION ABOUT GOING TO WHAT I ADDED AS A, AS A PLUS ONE LAYER DOWN AS A POTENTIAL ITEM. SO THAT'S A DISCUSSION ITEM FOR FOR THE COUNCIL. THERE WAS ALSO AN ITEM DISCUSSED RELATED TO THE COURT JUDGES THAT THEY SHOULD NOT BE JUDGED BASED ON THEIR THEIR

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AND WE CAN, OF COURSE, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE COUNCIL MAY HAVE. YEAH. AGAIN, THANKS, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, FOR LETTING US BE A PART OF THIS EVALUATION PROCESS. ONCE AGAIN, WE'RE EXCITED TO TO BE PARTNERED WITH THE CITY OF GARLAND. BEFORE YOU, I LAID AN UPDATED SCHEDULE THAT HAS OUR LOGO ON IT. AND, YOU KNOW, EVEN AFTER I LAID IT ON THE DESK, PHIL LET ME KNOW THAT WE NEED TO CHANGE THE LAST DATE TO MONDAY, NOVEMBER 3RD FOR THE FOR THE FINAL EVALUATIONS. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A LIVING, BREATHING SCHEDULE, BUT I'LL MAKE THAT CHANGE THERE. AND ALSO IT'S BEGINNING JUST A LITTLE BIT LATER THAN THE THE CALENDAR YOU GUYS HAD. I'VE SENT AN EMAIL TO ALL THE APPOINTEES ASKING THEM TO SET UP A TIME WITH ME BETWEEN THE 15TH AND OR I'M SORRY, BETWEEN SEPTEMBER 23RD AND OCTOBER 4TH TO BEGIN THE PROCESS WITH THEM AND ALSO GET A LIST OF THEIR DIRECT REPORTS THAT I CAN BEGIN SETTING THOSE APPOINTMENTS UP ACCORDING TO THIS SCHEDULE AS WELL. SO HAPPY TO BE WORKING WITH COUNCIL COUNCILWOMAN BEARD ON THIS PROCESS AS THE CHAIR. AND PHIL'S BEEN DOING A GREAT JOB OF GETTING US THE INFORMATION WE NEED. AND I HAVE A QUESTION. MAYOR PRO TEM LUCK. I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT ANY OF THE APPOINTEE INTERVIEWS THAT YOU CONDUCT ARE ALL CONDUCTED IN THE SAME MANNER.

SO IF YOU MEET WITH SOME OF THEM IN PERSON, PLEASE MEET WITH ALL OF THEM IN PERSON, OKAY, SO THAT EVERYONE GETS AN EQUAL, AN EQUAL SHOT RIGHT AT THEIR INTERVIEW. OKAY. AND THERE'S ALSO WE'RE GOING TO SEND OUT KIND OF A BRIEF SELF-EVALUATION TO ALL THE APPOINTEES. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO TAKE THEM A LOT OF TIME, BUT SOMETHING THEY CAN KIND OF MAKE SOME SOME NOTES ON THAT WILL BE PROVIDED TO COUNCIL. SO YOU GUYS CAN HAVE DIRECTLY FROM THEM SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THAT ARE IN THEIR LEADERSHIP THOUGHT PROCESS OR IF THERE'S OPERATION, THINGS THAT THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE NOTE THAT'LL BE A PART OF THE PACKET. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER BASS THANK YOU. SO I HAVE TWO DIFFERENT CALENDARS. AND THE THE LAST DATE IS NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT'S THAT'S DIFFERENT. SO THERE'S, THERE'S THE DATES ARE ALL COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. YES SIR. SO I PROVIDED THE FIRST CALENDAR ON THE THINNER PIECE OF PAPER. THAT WAS THE CALENDAR THAT WAS APPROVED OUT OF COMMITTEE. HOWEVER, SINCE THEN THERE WAS A TIME CHANGE RELATED TO GETTING THE APPOINTEES SCHEDULED. AND SO THAT'S THE THICKER PIECE OF PAPER YOU RECEIVED. BUT ON THAT DOCUMENT, WE DO NEED TO CHANGE THE NOVEMBER 4TH DATE TO NOVEMBER 3RD, SO THAT THAT THICKER ONE IS GOING TO BE THE MOST ACCURATE AT THIS POINT, OTHER THAN THE NOVEMBER 3RD DATE.

OKAY, PERFECT. SO NOVEMBER, THE ONE ENDING IN NOVEMBER 4TH. BUT CHANGE THAT TO NOVEMBER 3RD.

CORRECT? YES, SIR. AND THEN THE OTHER ONE'S NOT ACCURATE. AWESOME. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAD. THANK YOU SIR. COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMS THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR ARE THE YOU MENTIONED AREAS OF COVERAGE DURING THE INTERVIEWS WITH THOSE WITH THE SELECTEES APPOINTEES? IS THAT GOING TO BE DISCUSSED WITH THEM PRIOR TO THEIR MEETING WITH COUNCIL? HOW IS THAT GOING TO BE HANDLED? I BELIEVE SIMILAR TO LAST YEAR, WE ARE COVERING KIND OF FIVE BROAD CATEGORIES WITH EACH APPOINTEE, WHICH OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD WAS, WAS LEADERSHIP, MANAGEMENT AND OPERATIONS, STRATEGIC PLANNING AND OUTCOMES. AND I BELIEVE THERE'S A COUPLE OTHER CATEGORIES ON THERE, BUT THERE'S THE SAME SAME FIVE CATEGORIES THAT WE AGREED TO ASSESS LAST YEAR. THERE WERE GOING TO BE KIND OF HAVING THAT SAME PICTURE BACK FOR COUNCIL, AND LAST YEAR THERE WAS A DOCUMENTS THAT THAT WE MAY HAVE HAD PRIVY TO. WE SHOULDN'T HAVE.

CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? WAS THAT LAST YEAR? WAS THAT THE YEAR BEFORE AND HOW HOW WILL YOU MAKE SURE THAT THAT THE DOCUMENTS THAT WE SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT HAVE IS, IS GIVEN TO THE PROPER, PROPER PERSON? I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY DOCUMENTS THAT WERE IN OUR PACKET THAT WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO BE IN THERE. SO MAYBE IT WAS BEFORE US. OKAY. YOU TALKED ABOUT THE THE PREVIOUS YEARS OF LIKE WHAT WE WHAT WE COMPENSATED FOR. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO? YEAH. YEAH. SO THAT WE'VE GOT A, A WAY TO JUDGE WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR VERSUS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING

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YEAH. NOW IS THAT KIND OF INFORMATION GOING TO BE SHARED WITH US GOING FORWARD. OR WOULD THAT BE DISCONTINUED OR JUST TRYING TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING. YES, SIR. THAT WAS REQUESTED BY THE COMMITTEE THAT THAT THAT THERE'S A TWO YEAR LOOK BACK ON THE COMPENSATION AND BENEFITS SO THAT INFORMATION WILL BE PROVIDED TO BOTH CLEAR CAREER AS WELL AS THE COUNCIL FOR THE EVALUATION PROCESS. OKAY. BY THE WHO, WHO WILL BE PROVIDING THAT INFORMATION WITH THE HR DIRECTOR OR. I'M JUST I'M JUST TRYING TO GET THE FLOW OF THAT INFORMATION. SIR, I BELIEVE IT WILL BE A TEAM EFFORT OF WORKING WITH OUR HR TEAM. WE ALSO DO HAVE CONTRACTS IN PLACE FOR THE APPOINTEES THAT WE CAN PROVIDE TO CLEAR CAREER, AND SO THAT INFORMATION IS DETAILED IN THE CONTRACTS AS WELL. AND THE LAST THING I THINK I HEARD SOMETHING ABOUT. GOING DOWN TO THE SECOND LEVEL. I THINK I HEARD SOME, SOME, SOME COMMENTS, SOMEBODY MADE SOME COMMENTS ABOUT THAT. CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT PLEASE? YES, SIR. THAT WAS DISCUSSION AT THE COMMITTEE ABOUT GOING BEYOND THE APPOINTEES DIRECT REPORTS FOR THEIR EVALUATION PROCESS. THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT GOING FURTHER IN THE ORGANIZATION, AND IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING FROM MY NOTES THAT THERE WAS A RECOMMENDATION OF POTENTIALLY GOING ONE LEVEL DOWN BEYOND THE DIRECT REPORT. AND CONCLUSION WAS THAT'S AN ITEM FOR DISCUSSION TONIGHT. OKAY. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. THAT SO THAT'S STILL UNRESOLVED CORRECT. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MAYOR.

THANK YOU SIR. COUNCIL MEMBER DUTTON I DID WANT TO POINT OUT THAT ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE KIND OF A FEW OF US HAD MENTIONED LAST YEAR WAS HAVING ALL OF THE ONE PERSON'S INFORMATION ALL TOGETHER INSTEAD OF IN DIFFERENT SECTIONS, BECAUSE I THINK IT AMONGST OURSELVES. WE KIND OF COMMENTED ON THAT, THAT IT WAS A LITTLE HARDER TO FIND WHEN YOU'RE FLIPPING BACK AND FORTH. AND SO WE DID MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION THAT ALL OF EACH APPOINTEES INFORMATION IS ALL TOGETHER INSTEAD OF SEPARATED LIKE THAT. AND THERE WAS ONE OTHER THING, BUT I DO NOT REMEMBER. THANK YOU. IT'S MEMBER BEARD. THAT SUMS UP WHAT WE'VE DISCUSSED. SO I GUESS THE ISSUE NOW IS DOING IS MOVING FORWARD ON THE RECOMMENDATION OF ADDING THE SECOND TIER. OKAY. NEXT LEVEL OF WHAT IT WHAT THE PLUS ONE IS STILL PUT IT.

COUNSELOR. THAT'S FOR DISCUSSION. THOUGHTS ON MOVING DOWN A LEVEL OR TWO IN THE ORGANIZATION TO HEAR FROM SUBORDINATES? MR. MAYOR, MAY I ASK A QUESTION I DIDN'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK MR. BASIS BEFOREHAND, BUT I WAS CURIOUS IF THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS COMMON AMONGST EVALUATIONS FOR APPOINTEES IN OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT MAY HELP AID THE THE DISCUSSION THAT WE THAT WE HAVE TONIGHT. YEAH. NO, NO, IT IS IT IS NOT COMMON TO GO BEYOND DIRECT REPORTS IN HEALTHY ORGANIZATION, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD GET INCLINATIONS IF THAT WASN'T THE CASE WHEN WE WERE TALKING TO DIRECT REPORTS.

BUT, YOU KNOW, THEORETICALLY, YOU WANT THAT INFORMATION TO BE FLOWING, YOU KNOW, TO THE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND THEN THE DEPARTMENT HEADS WHO REPORT DIRECTLY TO THE COUNCIL APPOINTEE WOULD BE ABLE TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION OR KIND OF POINT IN THAT DIRECTION. BUT BUT IT IS NOT TYPICAL TO GO DOWN TO, YOU KNOW, A SUBSET, BECAUSE WHEN YOU WHEN YOU OPEN THAT DOOR, THERE IS A MANAGERIAL LEVEL THAT IS MAYBE UNSEEN TO THAT, THAT THIRD LEVEL DOWN THAT ISN'T, YOU KNOW, QUITE, QUITE AS BROAD SUSPECTED AS THE PEOPLE WHO ARE HIGHER IN THE ORGANIZATION. MAYOR, PRO TEM COUNCIL, I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO. WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT IS SO OUR APPOINTEES ARE AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL, BASICALLY. AND TYPICALALLY WE TALK TO THEIR DIRECT REPORTS. SO IN THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, OUR APPOINTEE IS JUDD, AND THEY WOULD BE SPEAKING WITH THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGERS. AND WHAT'S ON THE TABLE IS GOING BELOW THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGERS AND TALKING TO THEIR DIRECT REPORTS ABOUT JUDD. SO THAT'S THAT'S WHAT'S ON THE TABLE FOR DISCUSSION. COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMS AS MAYOR. TIM. SO WOULD THAT BE JUST TO JUDD BECAUSE WE DO THE THE OTHERS. SO WITH THE JUDGE, CHIEF JUDGE AND WE HAVE, I THINK THREE, THREE, 2 OR 3 PEOPLE WITH WITH THAT APPLIED TO THEM, OR WOULD

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OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU SIR. MR. MR. MAYOR, IF I MAY MAY ADD IN THE THE INSTANCE OF OF MR. REX, HE DOES HAVE MANAGING DIRECTORS THAT REPORTS TO HIM AS WELL AS THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS MARSHAL STAFF THAT REPORTS TO HIM. AND SO IT WOULD NOT NECESSARILY BE DIRECT DEPUTIES OR ASSISTANTS THAT WOULD BE REPORTING IN THE INTERVIEW PROCESS. THERE WOULD ALSO BE A MIXTURE OF MANAGING DIRECTORS THAT WERE THAT WOULD PROVIDE FEEDBACK AS WELL. LET ME JUST ASK ONE QUESTION. YOU SAID IT'S NOT STANDARD. IS THERE ANY INFORMATION THAT YOU THINK YOU COULD GET FROM PERFORMING THOSE THAT YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET WITHOUT IT? NO, I DON'T BELIEVE SO. AND ALSO HOW GARLAND IS SET UP. YOU KNOW, THE MUNICIPAL COURT JUDGES ALREADY HAVE A VERY LIMITED STAFF THAT IS GOING TO I THINK LAST YEAR I TALKED TO 2 OR 3 OF THEIR STAFF, WHICH WAS PRETTY MUCH EVERYBODY THAT THEY'RE SUPERVISING. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE, I TALKED TO ALL THE DIRECT REPORTS. I THINK I COVERED EVERYBODY IN THAT OFFICE. AND SO REALLY, WHEN YOU SEPARATE THOSE THREE APPOINTEES, IT ONLY DOES LEAVE YOUR CITY MANAGER AND CITY ATTORNEY THAT DIDN'T HAVE A BROADER SCOPE. BUT, YOU KNOW, IF THERE IS A QUESTION WHEN WE'RE INTERVIEWING THE DIRECT REPORTS, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE NOTED IN THE EVALUATION OF, HEY, THERE'S A PROBLEM HERE. YOU KNOW, COUNCIL NEEDS TO LOOK AT THAT. I MEAN, WE WOULD START CATCHING SOME OF THOSE THINGS FROM JUST ANALYZING THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. SO COUNCIL IN MY OPINION, I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY. I THINK WE'D BE WASTING THEIR TIME. BUT I'LL PUT IT UP TO OPEN BACK UP FOR DISCUSSION OR READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH CONSENSUS. IF ANYONE ELSE WANTS TO PUNCH IN. COUNCIL MEMBER DUTTON. SO THE ONLY REASON THAT IT WAS RECOMMENDED IS JUST THAT, THAT WE HAD A BROADER VIEW OF THINGS, BECAUSE EVERYONE HAS DIFFERENT INTERACTIONS WITH EACH INDIVIDUAL PERSON. WE'VE GOT ALSO THE AUDITOR. SO SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE A DIFFERENT RELATIONSHIP WITH EACH APPOINTEE MIGHT OFFER DIFFERENT A DIFFERENT VIEW OR. OR. PERSPECTIVE. WHAT WHAT AM I TRYING TO SAY? SWEET BABY JESUS.

SORRY. AND SO THAT WAS THAT WAS THE REASONING WHY IT WAS SUGGESTED. IT'S JUST SO THAT WE HAVE A BETTER A BROADER VIEW OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT INSTEAD OF JUST YOUR DIRECT PERSON UNDER YOU. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, COUNCIL, THEN I'LL ASK FOR A CONSENSUS ON THIS. SO CONSENSUS TO INVOLVE THE OTHER SUBORDINATES ONE LEVEL DOWN A YES VOTE WOULD BE TO INCLUDE THEM IN A NO VOTE WOULD BE NOT TO INCLUDE THEM. WE'RE TALKING ALREADY TALKED TO ONE LEVEL.

WE'RE TALKING ONE LEVEL ADDITIONAL. NOT TWO LEVELS, TWO DOWN. SO A NO VOTE WOULD BE TO NOT TALK TO THEM. A YES VOTE WOULD BE TO INCLUDE TWO LEVELS DOWN. SO LOOKING FOR CONSENSUS ON THAT. ONE, TWO, THREE. THAT'S A MAJORITY THERE ONE. THERE WE GO. ANYTHING ELSE YOU NEED FROM US. OTHERWISE I THINK TIMELINE LOOKS GREAT SIR. WE'LL CONTINUE TO UPDATE THE COUNCIL AS WE PROGRESS. WE'VE GOT THE THE CALENDAR EMAIL WENT OUT AND IF ANYTHING COMES UP WE'LL

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