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OCTOBER 14TH, 2025.WELCOME TO THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES COMMITTEE MEETING, UH, WITH I'M MARGARET LUT.
AND WITH ME I HAVE COUNCILMAN JEFF BASS AND COUNCILMAN JOE THOMAS AND VARIOUS STAFF.
UH, WE WILL START WITH ALL OF OUR ITEMS. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE, APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES COMMITTEE.
DO I HAVE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM THE SEPTEMBER 9TH MEETING? MOTION.
I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN BASS AND A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN THOMAS.
AND THAT IS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY.
PERSONS WHO DESIRE TO ADDRESS THE COMMITTEE ON ANY ITEM ON THE AGENDA ARE ALLOWED.
AND THE FIRST SPEAKER WE HAVE IS FOR ITEM THREE F.
THAT IS AN ORAL TESTIMONY BY FRED GANS.
SAME ITEM THREE F MR. SILVA, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
AND ALL I AM HERE TO TO SAY IS, UM, THANK YOU.
THANK Y'ALL FOR ESTABLISHING THE CITY OF GARLAND PACE PROGRAM.
UM, I THINK THAT WE GO SO FAST THESE DAYS.
WE FORGET TO JUST THANK OTH OTHERS FOR THE THINGS THAT Y'ALL DONE.
AND AS CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER FOR LONE STAR PACE, UM, OUR JOB IS JUST TO MAKE SURE WE ASSIST IN THE PROCESS.
WHATEVER Y'ALL NEED, WHATEVER QUESTIONS Y'ALL HAVE, UM, WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO TO ELIMINATE ANY TYPE OF, UM, YOU KNOW, CONCERN OR ANYTHING.
AND WE JUST WANT TO THANK Y'ALL AGAIN.
AND I'M SORRY, MR. UM, SILVA, I FORGOT TO ASK YOU TO READ YOUR ADDRESS.
IF YOU WOULD PLEASE, JUST FOR THE RECORD IS OUR OFFICE, UH, ADDRESS IS 69 88 LEBANON ROAD, SUITE 1 0 3, FRISCO, TEXAS 7 5 0 3 4.
I'LL ASK YOU TO DO THE SAME THING.
UH, FRED GANS, 2323 TARPLEY ROAD, UH, SUITE 100, CARROLLTON, TEXAS.
I'M THE OWNER OF, UH, GARAGES OF AMERICA.
AND I THINK WE'VE DONE ABOUT EVERYTHING WE CAN DO THUS FAR TO GET TO THE FINISH LINE, BUT YET WE'RE STILL UNABLE TO CLOSE.
AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ENCOURAGE THE CITY TO HELP US GET THIS DEVELOPMENT SERVICE AGREEMENT DONE SO THAT WE CAN CLOSE.
BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A REAL CHALLENGE.
WE'RE TWO AND A HALF, THREE MONTHS LATE AND IT'S STARTING TO GET A LITTLE SCARY, UH, WITH THE FINANCING SITUATION THE WAY IT IS.
SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO RECTIFY THAT ISSUE.
'CAUSE I THOUGHT IT WOULD'VE BEEN APPROVED AT THE LAST PUBLIC HEARING, BUT FOR SOME REASON IT WASN'T.
AND THERE'S BEEN A LITTLE DIFFICULTY AND CHALLENGE WITH THE COMMUNICATION WITH US.
SO WE'RE A LITTLE BIT IN THE DARK, WHICH IS HARD TO, YOU KNOW, SOLVE ISSUES OR CONCERNS IF, UH, IF WE'RE NOT FULLY INFORMED.
SO WE'RE HERE TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE'LL DO ANYTHING WE CAN TO GET THIS THING FULLY APPROVED SO THAT WE CAN CLOSE.
ANY QUESTIONS? UM, AS FAR AS I'M AWARE, IT WAS APPROVED AT OUR LAST COUNCIL MEETING AND WILL BE CODIFIED AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.
THE PACE PROGRAM, RIGHT? THERE'S A, I, PACE IS, PACE PROGRAM IS, BUT NOT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR GARAGES OF AMERICA.
THE, THE SERVICE AGREEMENT WITH THE SERVICER FOR PACE FINANCING, NOT US.
WHICH IS WHAT GLEN, THAT'S, THAT'S HIS COMPANY.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY THING HOLDING THIS UP.
I JUST, I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWERS.
BUT WE, WE SAW THIS ON THE AGENDA TODAY AND WE JUST HAD TO COME SHOW OUR FACE.
'CAUSE WE'RE JUST, WE'RE NOT GETTING KIND OF COMMUNICATION WE WERE HOPING FOR.
SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T KNOW.
PLEASE LET US KNOW AND WE'LL, WE'LL HELP SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
UM, WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION.
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GOOD AFTERNOON.LETICIA, ARE WE LOADED UP OR DO I NEED TO, THERE HAVE BEEN MULTIPLE USBS GOING INTO THE COMPUTER, SO I'M NOT QUITE SURE.
BRIAN MORRIS, CO COMPLIANCE DIRECTOR, CITY OF.
ALRIGHT, SO TODAY WE'RE GONNA DO AN A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF OUR TEMPORARY SIGN ORDINANCE ENFORCEMENT, UH, FROM PERMITTING TO ENFORCEMENT TO APPLICATION.
ALRIGHT, SO JUST A FEW OF THE BASICS.
UH, PERMIT IS REQUIRED FOR TEMPORARY COMMERCIAL SIGNS,
ALRIGHT, SO FALL INTO TWO DIFFERENT CATEGORIES.
THE FIRST ONE IS, UH, TEMPORARY FOR, UH, SPECIAL EVENTS, GRAND OPENINGS.
AND THOSE LAST 20 DAYS WE'LL HAVE A PERMANENT EXPIRATION OF 20 DAYS.
UH, THEN WE HAVE A SECOND CATEGORY, WHICH IS FOR SIGNS THAT ARE AWAITING A PERMANENT SIGN PERMIT.
AND THOSE LAST UP TO 60 DAYS UNTIL THAT SIGN IS PERMANENTLY INSTALLED.
APPLICATIONS ARE HANDLED VIA THE PERMITING AND BUILDING INSPECTION APARTMENT.
ALRIGHT, SO AGAIN, DISPLAY TIME LIMITS, 20 DAYS FOR PROMOTIONAL OR EVENT FOR AN OPENING.
AND THEN WE HAVE A SPECIAL BANNER FOR 60 DAYS WHILE AWAITING THAT PERMANENT CITATION.
UH, APPLICANTS SHOULD KEEP THE PERMITS ON SITE AND ON FILE, SO FOR EASY INSPECTION SO WE CAN MAKE SURE THEY ARE IN COMPLIANCE.
ALRIGHT, MOVING ON TO SIZE NUMBER, UH, LIMITS.
SO THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS TO LOOK AT.
WE HAVE A TOTAL CAP OF 200 SQUARE FEET.
NOW THAT CAN BE SPREAD OUT BETWEEN THREE DIFFERENT SIGNS AS LONG AS THEY DO NOT EXCEED THAT 200 SQUARE FOOT CAP.
AND THERE ARE A COUPLE LIMITATIONS THAT CAN BE UP TO TWO TIMES THE WIDTH OF THE MAIN, UH, THE MAIN WALL WITH THE MAIN.
WE'LL GET TO A FEW MORE REGULATIONS.
UH, HERE'S JUST A FEW EXAMPLES OF WHAT WE SEE AROUND THE CITY.
WE HAVE QUITE A FEW TEMPORARY SIGNS UP.
THESE ARE JUST A FEW THAT WE SNATCHED UP AROUND THE IMMEDIATE AREA.
SO THIS IS BASICALLY WHAT WE ARE PRIMARILY SEEING ARE THE TEMPORARY BANNERS.
ALL RIGHT, MOVING ON, PLACEMENT AND CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS.
SO THESE ARE JUST A FEW THINGS THAT ARE OUTLINED ON OUR PERMIT APPLICATION.
UH, THEY CAN BE ON SITE ONLY ON THE PREMISES, UH, NOT IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
SO THEY HAVE TO BE ON THE PREMISES OF THE BUSINESS.
UH, WE DON'T WANT THEM IN THE EASEMENTS.
UH, IF THEY ARE ATTACHED TO THE BUILDING, IT MUST BE SECURELY FASTENED THE BUILDING ON THE VERTICAL FACE OF THAT BUILDING OR CANOPY.
IF THEY ARE FREE STANDING, UH, WE REQUIRE THEM TO BE SET BACK AT LEAST 15 FEET FROM THE EDGE OF THE STREET OR THE CURB.
AND THEN WE WANT THEM SECURED WITH ANCHORING BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA BE OUT THERE FOR 20 PLUS DAYS.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THEY CAN WITHSTAND THE ELEMENTS AND THEY'RE NOT TATTERED AFTER SEVERAL DAYS.
SO ALL THIS IS OUTLINED, EXPLAINED TO THE APPLICANT WHEN THEY COME IN FOR THE PERMIT.
UH, WE ALSO REQUIRE THEY DO NOT ATTACH TO FENCES, TREES, UTILITY POLES, OR ANY OTHER PERMANENT SIGN STRUCTURES.
UH, NOR CAN THEY OBSTRUCT SIDEWALKS, PARKING, FIRE LANES, SITE TRIANGLES, OR UTILITIES.
ALRIGHT, HERE WE'LL DISCUSS A FEW COMMON PROHIBITIONS AND COMMON PITFALLS THAT TAKE PLACE.
UM, YOU GUYS MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH BANDIT SIGNS.
WE BUY UGLY HOUSES, WE BUY VEHICLES, WE BUY CARS.
SO, UH, WE WANT, WE DON'T WANT THOSE BEING USED AS ADVERTISEMENT OR PERMANENT SIGNS.
SO THOSE ARE THE TYPICAL REAL ESTATE,
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FOUR, FOUR SQUARE FOOT SIGNS THAT YOU SEE.UH, THOSE ARE PROHIBITED AND SUBJECT TO IMPOUNDMENT, OF COURSE, ANY SIGNS WE DISCUSS ANY SIGN THAT'S IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY WITHOUT AUTHORIZATION.
UM, AND THEN THE PLACEMENT BANNERS OVER ROOF OR PROJECTING OVER THE ROOF LINE BECAUSE IT'S NOT SECURELY ATTACHED, IT CAN GET TATTERED BY THE ELEMENTS AND BECOME UNSIGHTLY.
UH, WE ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE IT DOES NOT EXCEED THAT 200 SQUARE FOOT CAP THAT WE DISCUSSED, OR THE NUMBER OF SIGNS, WHICH IS THREE AS LONG AS THEY FIT UNDERNEATH THAT 200 SQUARE FOOT TOTAL CAP.
UH, WE'RE ALSO CHECKING FOR MISSING OR EXPIRED PERMITS, WHETHER THAT'S A 20 DAY OR THE 60 DAY VARIETY.
UH, NOW WHEN IT COMES TO ENFORCEMENT, THIS IS COMPLAINT BASE AND VIA PATROL, UH, WE HAVE COMPLIANCE GUIDELINES FOR TEMPORARY SIGNS OR TYPICALLY 72 HOURS FOR THEM TO BE REMOVED.
UH, OTHER SIGNS, THE PERMIT SIGNS ARE A LITTLE BIT, A LITTLE BIT LONGER.
THEY'RE PERMANENT NATURE, SO IT MAY TAKE A LITTLE BIT LONGER TO REPAIR OR REMOVE.
UH, THOSE ARE GIVEN 15 DAYS, UNLESS THERE'S AN IMMEDIATE LIFE SAFETY HAZARD THAT EXISTS, WILL REQUIRE FASTER ACTION.
UM, IN, IN RARE CASES, UM, WE DO HAVE THE PROVISION TO BE ABLE TO IMPOUND AND STORE THE SIGNS.
IF IT POSES AN IMMEDIATE HEALTH AND SAFETY RISK, THEN WE DO HAVE THAT OPTION TO IMPOUND, UH, STORE IT FOR UP TO 20 DAYS AND REQUIRE PAYMENT FOR THE RELEASE OF THAT, OF THAT SIGN AT THAT TIME.
OF COURSE, WE HAVE THE OPTION TO ESCALATE TO ADDITIONAL CITATIONS AND ENHANCED ENFORCEMENT.
AND HERE, JUST AS A, AS A RECAP, THIS IS MORE FOR BUSINESS OWNERS, BEST BUSINESS PRACTICES.
UH, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT BEFORE YOU APPLY FOR THE PERMIT THAT YOU'VE DONE YOUR RESEARCH, BEFORE YOU PRINT IT, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT FITS WITHIN THOSE GUIDELINES.
UH, THAT IF YOU HAVE A 20 DAY CAMPAIGN, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANNA COME IN THERE AT 12 O'CLOCK THE DAY BEFORE AND EXPECT A PERMIT TO COINCIDE WITH YOUR SPECIALTY EVENT OR GRAND OPENING.
SO GIVE GIVE THE OFFICE TIME TO PROCESS AND ISSUE THE PERMIT.
SO PLAN ADEQUATELY, ACCORDING TO THAT 20 DAY WINDOW, UH, MAKE SURE YOU DESIGN THIS WITHIN THAT 200 SQUARE FOOT CAB.
SAY YOU OFF ALL RIGHT AWAY AND INSTALL THREE STOUT FREE STANDING DEVICES, UH, 15 FEET OR GREATER ON THE CURB.
AND OF COURSE, UH, REMOVED ON OR BEFORE THAT PERMIT DOES EXPIRE.
AND WITH THAT, THAT CONCLUDES PRESENTATION OPEN FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
COMMITTEE, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I DO.
SO, UH, BACK TO SLIDE SIX IF YOU WOULD PLEASE, BRIAN.
UM, SO YOU'RE THE NEXT TO LAST BULLET POINT THERE SAYS, DON'T ATTACH DEFENSES TREES, UTILITY, UTILITY POLES, OR PERMANENT SIGN STRUCTURES.
SO I'VE GOT ONE, UH, IT'S A PERMANENT SIGN STRUCTURE.
IT'S A CHURCH THAT HAS NOW SOLD THE BUILDING TO ANOTHER CHURCH.
AND SO THE NEW CHURCH HAS NOW PUT UP A BANNER OVER THAT PERMANENT SIGN.
IS THAT NOT ALLOWED PER OUR STANDARDS? YES, SIR.
I THINK IT WOULD NOT BE, IT WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED.
AND I THINK THE INTENT BEHIND IT IS FOR THAT TEMPORARY SIGN NOT TO SERVE AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO A PERMANENT SIGN.
JUST IN, IN THE MANNER THAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED, WE REMOVE ONE BUSINESS AND NOW WE'RE REPLACING IT WITH A DIFFERENT ONE.
WE WANT THEM TO COME IN AND GET A PERMANENT SIGN THROUGH OUR BUILDING INSPECTIONS.
SO IF THEY APPLIED FOR THE 60 DAY PERMIT, GET THE SIGN CHANGED, WOULD IT THEN, THEN COULD THEY ATTACH THEIR BANNER TO THAT PREVIOUS PERMANENT SIGN? THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION.
I WOULD, I WOULD DEFER TO BUILDING INSPECTIONS.
I THINK WE COULD, AL SAYS THUMBS UP.
WE CAN'T, IF THEY HAVE UNDER THAT SITUATION, IF THEY HAVE APPLIED FOR A PERMANENT SIGN, YES, THEY OKAY.
JUST SINCE I HAPPENED, I DROVE PAST IT ON THE WAY HERE AND, UH, SAW IT AND IT'S, IT'S RELATIVELY NEW.
I MEAN, THAT THING HASN'T BEEN UP THERE TWO WEEKS MAYBE.
AND SO I, I JUST WONDERED IF THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, IF THEY ARE IN VIOLATION AND OR, OR NOT.
BUT IF THEY'VE APPLIED FOR A PERMIT AND THEY'RE JUST WAITING TO GET THEIR SIGN COMPANY TO MAKE THEIR PERMANENT SIGN SURE.
THEN, THEN WE'RE NOT GONNA GO OUT THERE AND, AND POUND ON THE DOOR OF THE CHURCH TO GET COM AND POUND THEIR SIGN.
UM, THEN ALSO THERE ON THE, ON SLIDE NINE, YOU SAID APPLY EARLY AND I, I GET THAT, BUT HOW EARLY IS EARLY? HOW EARLY IS TOO EARLY?
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HOW, HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU REALLY NEED? WHAT'S THE, SO WHAT'S THE PROCESSING TIME FOR APPLICATION TO SUBMISSION? UM, I'LL DEFER TO BUILDING INSPECTIONS.ARE WE LOOKING AT SAY TWO WEEKS? IT'S MUCH QUICKER THAN THAT.
PROBABLY LESS THAN FIVE OF THE TEMPORARY ONES WE CAN DO OVER THE COUNTER.
RELATIVELY, RELATIVELY QUICKLY.
THAT, THAT'S A THAT'S A GOOD ANSWER.
I'M, I'M PERFECTLY HAPPY WITH THAT, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, UM, MY NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION APPLIES FOR PERMITS AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO DO IT SIX MONTHS IN ADVANCE, BUT IT'S LIKE, UH, SOMETIMES THOSE THINGS FALL THROUGH THE CRACKS WHEN THERE'S A COMMITTEE AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE GUYS KNOW WHAT THE STANDARD IS IF WE'RE APPLYING FOR PERMITS FOR THINGS LIKE THIS.
SO COUPLE, A COUPLE OF WEEKS AT LEAST, AND THAT GIVES, GIVES 'EM PLENTY OF TIME TO PROCESS THE PERMIT.
COUNCILMAN BUSS, UM, CANS, TEMPORARY SIGNS BE PLACED ON WINDOWS, PLACEMENT ON WINDOWS.
TO THE BUILDING PRACTICE, MAYBE.
UM, SO ATTACHED TO THE BUILDING, NOT BEST PRACTICE, BUT ANYWHERE ON THE BUILDING IS ACCEPTABLE.
BUT THERE HAS TO BE A PERMIT
AND SO THE, THE WAY THE ORDINANCE READS, UH, BUILDING ATTACHED SECURELY TO THE FRONT VERTICAL FACE.
SO SEAN MENTIONED PROBABLY NOT THE MOST ATTRACTIVE, THE BEST LOOK, BUT TECHNICALLY AGREED
I, THAT'S THE LAST QUESTION I HAVE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR REPORT.
MAY I ASK, UM, IN THIS ITEM, GIVEN THAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY 24? YES, SURE.
ITEM THREE B BOUNDED, CH THREE 80 RESIDENTIAL IMPROVEMENTS.
I'M BECKY KING, MANAGING DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY AND NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, DEVELOPMENT.
AND WITH ME IS JASON WIL, THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CONSTRUCTION MANAGER.
UM, SO, UH, AT THE LAST MEETING WE UPDATED A FEW THINGS, UH, WHERE WE STOOD ON THIS ITEM.
AND THAT IS WE HAVE ENGAGED CZB CONSULTING TO, UH, STUDY ALL OF GARLAND HOUSING AND ASSOCIATED, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD PROGRAMS, INCLUDING INCENTIVE PROGRAMS. UH, COUNCILS SCHEDULED TO GET AN UPDATE FROM CZB AT THE NOVEMBER 3RD WORK SESSION.
SO YOU SHOULD, UM, GET SOME HIGH LEVEL DISCUSSION ON, UM, INCENTIVES IN GENERAL.
AND THEN THE FINAL REPORT FROM THEM IS DUE TO US IN ABOUT THE DECEMBER TIMEFRAME.
UM, IN ADDITION TO ASKING THEM TO STUDY THE, UH, SINGLE FAMILY INCENTIVE PROGRAM, WE ALSO IN THE AREA THAT, THAT THIS COMMITTEE ASKED US TO USE AS THE, I GUESS, PILOT, UH, BOUNDED THREE 80 AREA, WE, UH, PARTNERED WITH GHFC TO GET A, A $200,000 GRANT FROM THEM TO PUT WITH OUR HUD FUNDING TO BUY A DEMONSTRATION HOUSE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE WOULD, UM, EITHER
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EXPAND OR REDEVELOP.AND SO, UM, I'M HAPPY TO REPORT THAT WE HAVE FOUND A HOME THAT WE THINK IS A GOOD CANDIDATE AND JASON'S GONNA UPDATE YOU ON THAT.
SO WE DID, UH, THANKS TO BECKY.
SHE WAS, HAPPENED TO BE DRIVING BY AND CALLED AND SAID, HEY, WE, UH, THERE'S A HOME FOR SALE IN FREEMAN HEIGHTS, UH, 8 0 1 WOODLAND, AND I THINK MONA AND I WERE AT THE HOUSE WITHIN ABOUT 20 MINUTES AND, AND CONTACTING GHFC TO SEE IF THEY COULD MAKE AN OFFER ON THE HOME.
UM, AS A QUICK BACKGROUND, BACK IN JUNE OF 2025, WE DID GO WITH A, A, A REQUEST G TO GHFC FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO EXPAND THIS, WHERE THE HEART IS PROGRAM FOR THE OFFICE OF NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY.
UM, AS PART OF THAT, THERE WAS KIND OF A, A TWO PIECE THAT WE WERE GONNA DO.
ONE WAS THIS, UM, THE, THE OMV PORTION, THE NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY PORTION, AND THEN THIS DEMONSTRATION HOUSE, WHICH WAS GONNA RUN THROUGH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
UM, IT'S GONNA BE A, A STANDARD DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
THE CAVEAT WAS THAT WE REQUESTED THAT, UM, GHFC BE WILLING TO TAKE AN ACQUISITION HIT OF ABOUT $200,000.
UH, AND SO YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE IS SOME ACQUISITION REIMBURSEMENT, BUT IT'S VERY LITTLE ON THIS.
UM, AND WE'LL GET A LITTLE FURTHER INTO THAT.
UH, THE, THE LOCATION REALLY COULDN'T BE BETTER.
WE, WHEN WE FOUND THIS, WE, WE ALL JUST WENT, OKAY, WELL IT'S, WE'VE GOTTA DO THIS.
THIS IS, THIS IS THE PERFECT LOCATION.
UM, BUT I WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND BUILD THIS OUT AS TWO OPTIONS.
UM, THE FIRST OPTION BEING THAT WE DO A VERY DEEP RENOVATION OF THE HOME AND ADD SQUARE FOOTAGE.
UH, AGAIN, THE, THE IDEA OF THIS HOME IS TO BE A DEMONSTRATION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF WHAT COULD BE DONE, UH, NOT NECESSARILY WHAT'S IN EVERYBODY'S BUDGET, BUT WHAT THE HOME COULD LOOK LIKE.
THE OTHER OPTION IS ACTUALLY WHAT WE WOULD CALL AN INFILL PROGRAM WHERE WE WOULD ACTUALLY DEMOLISH THE HOME AND REBUILD A BRAND NEW HOME IN THIS THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT BETTER LAYOUT AND MEET A FEW MORE, UH, NEEDS FOR, FOR MARKET BUYERS.
SO AS FAR AS LOCATION, WHAT WE LOVE ABOUT THIS IS IT IS LOCATED RIGHT AT THE CORNER OF WOODLAND DRIVE AND GLENBROOK DRIVE.
UH, IT IS RIGHT NEXT TO AN EASEMENT THAT THE CITY CURRENTLY OWNS, WHERE WE ARE CONSIDERING PUTTING IN AN ENTRY FEATURE.
UH, THIS WOULD ALLOW US TO ACTUALLY HAVE ENTRY FEATURES ON EITHER SIDE.
UH, POTENTIALLY WE, WE ARE STILL WORKING ON THE DETAILS THERE.
UM, BUT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO FOR FREEMAN HEIGHTS TO KIND OF DESIGNATE THAT AREA AND MAKE IT MORE VISIBLE, UH, FOR THOSE WHO ARE, WHO ARE PASSING BY ON GLENBROOK.
UM, IT IS ALSO ADJACENT TO MAYBE THE, THE COOLEST HOUSE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH WAS BUILT IN 1924.
THE HOME NEXT DOOR WAS ONE OF THE ORIGINAL HOMES TO THE AREA.
UM, IT HAS, I BELIEVE IT'S GOT SOME HISTORIC DESIGNATION, ALTHOUGH I CAN'T, HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO CONFIRM THAT YET.
UH, BUT IT IS REALLY, UH, AN EXCITING OPPORTUNITY TO WORK IN THIS AREA AND TO BE ABLE TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE GROUND THAT CAN BE, UH, DEMONSTRATIVE BUT ALSO PLACEMAKING AT THE SAME TIME.
SO OPTION ONE, UH, THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE PLUS THE ADDITION, UM, WHAT WE HAVE OVER THERE RIGHT NOW IS, UH, 1,010 SQUARE FEET OF KIND OF FALLING APART.
UM, THERE IS A LOT OF ISSUES WITHIN THE HOME ITSELF AS FAR AS THE FOUNDATION HAS MOVED UP AND DOWN.
THERE ARE FLOOR VENTS FOR HEAT, UH, ORIGINAL, UH, FIXTURES IN THE BATHROOMS. UM, A KITCHEN THAT IS REALLY SMALL AND NOT VERY USABLE, AND A LIVING ROOM THAT I CAN ALMOST REACH BOTH SIDES OF STANDING IN THE MIDDLE.
SO, UH, IT, IT DOESN'T LEND ITSELF TO MODERN LIVING VERY WELL.
UM, THE IDEA WOULD BE TO GET THE PLANS, THE ENGINEERING AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT DONE.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT WOULD BE ABOUT $7,500.
UM, THE EXISTING STRUCTURE REPAIR COST, I TOOK THIS ESTIMATE.
THIS WAS BASED ON, UH, UH, A, UH, NUMBER OF, OF A PROJECT THAT WE DID THAT WAS VERY SIMILAR TO THIS.
UH, BUT THEN I HAD TO ADD ABOUT 4.6% FOR INFLATION AND, UH, BELIEVE THAT WE'LL ACTUALLY GO UP FROM HERE.
SO ABOUT $160,000 WOULD BE NECESSARY ON THE RENOVATION, UH, OF THE HOME.
THE ADDITION, UH, WHICH WOULD BE ABOUT 450 SQUARE FEET OF LIVING SPACE, WOULD INCLUDE A PRIMARY SUITE WITH AN EN SUITE BATHROOM AND A UTILITY SPACE THAT WE COULD TAKE OUT OF THE GARAGE CONVERSION, WHICH, UM, TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST WITH YOU, WE WOULD PROBABLY TRY AND CONVERT THAT BACK TO A GARAGE, A SINGLE FAMILY OR A SINGLE CAR GARAGE.
UH, WE WOULD NEED TO REPORT THE, THE SLAB AND REPLACE THE DRIVEWAY.
IT WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT, UH, INVESTMENT TO GET IT BACK TO A GARAGE.
BUT ON THAT CORNER, OFF STREET PARKING IS GONNA BE JUST A NECE, UH, REAL NECESSITY OVER THERE.
UM, WE ANTICIPATE CLOSING AND CARRYING COSTS OF ABOUT $22,500 AND ACQUISITION REIMBURSEMENT
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OF ABOUT $13,000.UH, THAT WAS THE OVERAGE FOR THE 200,000 PLUS CLOSING COSTS.
SO OBVIOUSLY, UM, A VERY SMALL INVESTMENT FOR THE CITY ON THAT SIDE.
UH, BUT A VERY SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT FROM GHFC.
UH, SO THE TOTAL ESTIMATED REHABILITATION COST IS ABOUT $301,000, UH, FOR THE RENOVATION PLUS EDITION.
AND I THINK YOU COULD ACTUALLY SEE THAT NUMBER GO UP BY BETWEEN 20 AND $30,000.
SO THERE'S NOT A LOT OF CHANGE BETWEEN RENOVATING AND ADDING VERSUS TEARING DOWN AND BUILDING NEW.
WHICH BRINGS ME TO OPTION TWO, THE DEMO DEMOLITION AND, UH, CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW PROPERTY.
UH, SO WE WOULD TAKE DOWN EVERYTHING, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF, OF TREES THAT WOULD NOT BE IN THE FOOTPRINT THAT ARE NOT IN THE FENCE LINE, WE WOULD TRY AND LEAVE THAT VEGETATION, OTHERWISE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO CLEAR IT OUT SIGNIFICANTLY TO MAKE IT USABLE.
UM, DEMOLITION AND SITE CLEARING, I'VE GOT AT ABOUT $15,000, THE SURVEYING, THE ENGINEERING AND SOILS REPORTING AND PLAN SET AROUND 12 FIVE CONSTRUCTION.
UH, THIS IS BASED ON CURRENT, UM, CURRENT NUMBERS THAT I'M WORKING WITH RIGHT NOW ON EXISTING BILLS, WE'RE AT ABOUT $305,000.
AND THAT IS ACTUALLY BASED OFF OF A 1,650 SQUARE FOOT HOME, ABOUT 2300 SQUARE FEET UNDER ROOF.
UM, CLOSING AND CARRYING COSTS $22,500 AND ACQUISITION REIMBURSEMENT ABOUT $13,000.
SO YOUR TOTAL CONSTRUCTION COSTS ON THAT ARE ABOUT, UH, $368,000 ARE PRETTY CONFIDENT IN THIS NUMBER, LESS SO IN THE RENOVATION NUMBER BECAUSE IT'S JUST, THERE'S SO MANY QUESTION MARKS ONCE YOU START OPENING WALLS AND FINDING OUT WHAT THE STRUCTURE'S REALLY LIKE.
UM, I, I THINK THE IMPORTANT NOTE TO REMEMBER IS THAT YOU'RE GETTING ABOUT 300 TO 350 MORE SQUARE FEET ON THE NEW BUILD THAN YOU ARE ON EVEN WITH THE ADDITION ON THE OTHER, ON THE OTHER OPTION.
SO, UM, TO BE PERFECTLY FRANK WITH YOU, WHENEVER, WHENEVER BECKY AND I STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS, WE REALLY WANTED THIS TO BE A DEMONSTRATION OF WHAT PEOPLE COULD DO IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IS GONNA SPEND 368,000 ON TOP OF ACQUISITION TO DO THIS SORT OF WORK.
WHAT IT REALLY IS, IS THIS IS A DEMONSTRATION OF WHAT A HOME COULD LOOK LIKE OR WHAT WE WOULD LOVE FOR A HOME TO LOOK LIKE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO IN THIS CASE, WE WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A REALLY STRONG IDEA OF WHAT THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS BEFORE WE GET ANY KIND OF PLAN SET DRAWN UP TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE, THE FEATURES OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS, UH, YOUR OPINIONS ON WHETHER YOU THINK THIS SHOULD BE AN OPTION ONE, WHICH IS THE EXISTING PROPERTY WITH THE ADDITION OR, UH, INFILL PROJECT WHERE WE ACTUALLY PUT COMMITTEE.
SO I GUESS FOR ME, I JUST KIND OF, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT FUZZY ON WHAT WHAT'S THE OBJECTIVE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, FOR IT TO BE A DEMONSTRATION, SO DEMONSTRATION THAT THE CITY'S GOING TO HOLD AND WE'LL GIVE TOURS OF THE HOUSE OR JUST A DEMONSTRATION, WE'RE GONNA SELL THE PROPERTY AND PEOPLE CAN JUST SEE WHAT WE DID TO IT FROM WALKING BY IT, OR WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE OBJECTIVE ON THE DEMONSTRATION? WHAT ARE WE DEMONSTRATING? SO, AND THIS ORIGINALLY CAME, UM, THE BOUNDED THREE 80 AGREEMENT REQUEST CAME FROM THE COMMITTEE.
UM, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT WE, WE WERE WANTING TO PURSUE, UM, A SIMILAR STRUCTURE OF INCENTIVE PROGRAM FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, EITHER INCENTIVIZING PEOPLE TO AD SQUARE FOOTAGE OR INCENTIVIZING THEM TO DO INFILL.
AND, UH, WE HAD SOME NUMBERS FROM OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS IN GARLAND, BUT VERY DIFFERENT TYPE OF HOUSING STOCK.
UM, AND SO THE DISCUSSION WAS, WELL, CAN WE REDO, YOU KNOW, LET'S GET REAL NUMBERS FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND SO AS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT, WE'RE IN THAT, WE'RE IN THE BUSINESS OF DOING MAJOR RENOVATIONS AND INFILL PROJECTS ANYWAY, IT'S PART OF OUR MISSION WITH HUD.
AND SO WE THOUGHT, WELL, RATHER THAN CREATE, YOU KNOW, ESTIMATED NUMBERS SINCE WE'RE ALREADY WORKING IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD FOR WHERE THE HEART IS AND IT'S THE ONE THAT THEY WANT THE BOUND AT THREE 80, LET'S JUST TALK TO GHFC ABOUT ONE OF OUR, OUR HOMES BEING IN WHERE IN FREEMAN HEIGHTS.
AND WE'LL USE IT AS AN ACTUAL DEMONSTRATION OF WHAT IT WOULD COST AND WHAT, YOU KNOW.
SO BASICALLY THIS WAY YOU'RE GONNA GET, THIS IS WHAT IT COSTS TO ACQUIRE, THIS IS WHAT IT COSTS TO EITHER REHAB OR, UH, TEAR DOWN REBUILD, AND WHAT YOU CAN EXPECT THE RESELL VALUE TO BE.
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CAN LOOK AT WHAT A REAL INCENTIVE WOULD HAVE TO BE IF YOU WERE GONNA INCENTIVIZE THE PRIVATE MARKET TO DO WHAT WE JUST DID.SO FOR DEMONSTRATION, WE'RE SHOWING REALLY JUST BASICALLY ON, ON PAPER WHAT IT, WHAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE NOT THE PHYSICAL PRODUCT AS A TOURING DEVICE, AS A TOURING DEVICE.
SO THEN I WOULD ADD THAT THERE HAVE BEEN SOME, UM, RECONSTRUCTION PROJECTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SOME WERE DONE WELL AND SOME WERE NOT.
UM, AND SO, AND WHEN I SAY THAT I, THAT IS SOME, UH, HONOR THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND SOME REALLY STICK OUT AS NOT HONORING THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND SO, UM, IT'S IMPORTANT TO ME THAT AS WE DO THIS, THAT PHYSICALLY WE WOULD ALSO USE IT AS A DEMONSTRATION OF HOW TO HONOR THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT STILL MODERNIZE THE HOME FOR, FOR, UM, CURRENT AMENITIES.
I THINK FOR, FOR THE, FOR THE OBJECTIVE OF SHOWING WHAT CAN BE DONE, UM, YOU KNOW, KEEPING THE HOUSE AND, AND WORKING WITH WHAT WE HAVE WOULD DEMONSTRATE THAT MORE THAN TEARING THE HOUSE DOWN TO BUILDING SOMETHING NEW.
UM, 'CAUSE LIKE YOU SAID, RIGHT, PEOPLE AREN'T NECESSARILY GOING TO GO IN AND DO EVERYTHING THAT WAS DONE TO THIS HOUSE.
BUT IT KIND OF GIVES AN I AN EXAMPLE OF THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE.
AND IN, IN REALITY, PROBABLY THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AREN'T GOING TO HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, FINANCIAL WHEREWITHAL TO TEAR THEIR HOUSE DOWN AND BUILD A NEW ONE.
UM, BUT THEY COULD ADOPT SOME THINGS THAT, THAT WE HAVE DONE IN THE DEMONSTRATION HOUSE.
UM, SO YEAH, I LIKE THE IDEA, UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS FROM THE OBJECTIVE OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT WOULD WE DO TO BASICALLY TO FLIP THE PROPERTY AND TURN A PROFIT, I WOULD SAY TEAR IT DOWN AND REBUILD IT.
BUT THAT'S NOT OUR OBJECTIVE, RIGHT? SO I WOULD THINK OUR OBJECTIVE ALIGNS MORE CLOSELY WITH, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH WHAT WE HAVE SO WE CAN DEMONSTRATE WHAT WHAT CAN BE DONE IN, YOU KNOW, IN EXISTING HOMES.
SO I WOULD, I WOULD LEAN TOWARD THAT DIRECTION, AND I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED THIS, BUT, UH, THE END USER IS GOING TO BE, THIS WILL BE AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT FOR SOMEONE.
UH, IT'LL BE FINANCED THROUGH THE CITY OF GARLAND THROUGH OUR, OUR DEPARTMENT.
UM, SO WHAT THE DEPTH OF, OF RENOVATION THAT I HAVE TO GO THROUGH IS NOT THE DEPTH OF RENOVATION THAT A HOMEOWNER HAS TO GO AND THE CONDITION OF THE HOME MAY BE FAR MORE DETERIORATED THAN SOMEBODY ELSE'S HOME.
SO YEAH, THE, WHAT I MEANT BY IT'S NOT A DEMONSTRATION HOUSE IS IT'S NOT REMINISCENT OF WHAT OTHER PEOPLE MAY BE DOING.
WE DO WANT IT TO BE A DEMONSTRATION HOUSE.
FINISHING YOUR VIDEO GAME OVER.
UM, YEAH, I, I HAVE TO AGREE WITH, UH, COUNCILMAN BASS.
IF WE'RE GONNA DEMONSTRATE TO OTHER NEIGHBORS THAT THEY'RE AROUND THIS HOUSE, WHAT THEY COULD DO TO THEIR HOUSE, MOST OF THEM ARE NOT GONNA SAY, HEY, I THINK I'LL JUST TEAR MY WHOLE HOUSE DOWN AND START AGAIN.
IT'S REALLY, WHAT CAN I DO? AND WE CAN SAY, AH, WE DID THIS AND WE DID THIS AND WE DID EIGHT THINGS THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT, AND MAYBE THEIR HOUSE ONLY NEEDS ONE OR TWO, BUT THAT'S A GOOD WAY FOR US TO DEMONSTRATE IT RIGHT THERE.
UM, SO I, I THINK I AGREE WITH THAT, THE CONCEPT OF, IF I LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, I WANNA SEE WHAT ELSE COULD BE DONE THAT MAKES MORE SENSE TO ME FOR THIS, FOR THIS PURPOSE, UM, THE BOUNDARIES.
CAN YOU HELP ME, UH, RE REFRESH ME ON WHERE THE BOUNDARIES OF THIS BOUNDED THREE 80 ARE? SURE.
AND, AND THIS IS THE BOUNDARIES OF THE, WHERE THE HEART IS AREA.
UM, SO IT IS WALNUT GLEN BROOK, NORTH GARLAND, AND TRAVIS TRAVIS IS THE STREET THAT RUNS JUST NORTH OF COLUM PARK AND GOES TO BUSSY MIDDLE SCHOOL.
UM, I THINK WHEN THE COMMITTEE, UH, SUGGESTED THIS AREA, THEY GAVE THOSE BOUNDARIES EXCEPT ALL THE WAY UP TO BUCKINGHAM.
AND SO WE WERE LIKE, WELL, HEY, WE'RE ALREADY WORKING THERE, BUT WE'RE WORKING IN HALF OF THAT SPACE.
SO WE TRIED TO KEEP IT WITHIN THE, WHERE THE HEART IS AREA.
UH, IT REDUCED THE NUMBER OF HOMES BY HALF 50 HOMES IN THE BOUNDED AREA.
BUT YEAH, I, I, I LIKE THIS IDEA.
AND, AND I MEAN, RIGHT ACROSS, RIGHT ON THE CORNER, DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM DALLAS COLLEGE, I'M LOOKING ON GOOGLE MAPS, AND SO IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GONNA BE GONNA BE STUCK BACK OUT OF THE WAY SOMEWHERE.
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IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE.IS THIS ONE, IT'S, I ASSUME IT'S VACANT.
DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG IT'S BEEN VACANT? UM, I DO KNOW THAT THERE WERE OWNERS THAT IT, IT APPEARS TO HAVE CHANGED WITHIN THE LAST YEAR, SO I'M ASSUMING IT WAS OCCUPIED WITHIN THE LAST YEAR.
UH, IT ACTUALLY, I, I'VE HAD, UH, ALERTS COME UP FOR HOMES IN THE AREA GOING FOR SALE, AND I HAD NOT RECEIVED THE ALERT YET WHEN BECKY SAW IT LISTED WHENEVER SHE SAW THE SIGN IN THE YARD.
SO, UH, I GOT IT THE NEXT DAY, SO I'M ASSUMING THEY HAD JUST LISTED THE PROPERTY.
OKAY, WELL, I THINK THAT THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTIONS.
QUESTIONS, AND THAT'S, THAT'S MY DIRECTION.
UM, HOW OFTEN DO YOU HAVE WHERE THE HARDEST IS MEETINGS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD? UH, IT DEPENDS ON WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS.
SO WHEN WE FIRST KICKOFF AND WHERE THE HEART IS AREA, UM, I WOULD SAY I THINK WE HAD THREE MEETINGS WITH WITHIN THE FIRST, UM, THREE TO FOUR MONTHS.
AND THAT'S REALLY BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN WE'RE GETTING, UM, WE'RE REACHING OUT TO THEM, WE'RE ASKING THEM WHAT THEIR CONCERNS ARE AND NEEDS ARE PRIORITIES FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
ONCE WE COLLECT THAT, THEN WE KIND OF GO OFF AND THERE'S TIME WE HAVE TO DO RESEARCH, UH, GATHER PRICING AND THAT SORT OF THING.
UM, BUT ALSO WHAT WE DO THAT IS THE OPEN CALL MEETING, THOSE FIRST THREE AT THAT LAST MEETING, WE ACTUALLY DIVIDE, ASK THE GROUP TO DIVIDE THEMSELVES UP VOLUNTARILY INTO COMMITTEES.
AND SO, UM, IN FREEMAN HEIGHT'S CASE, I BELIEVE THERE'S A DESIGN COMMITTEE.
UM, I THINK THERE'S THREE, AND I'M FORGETTING ONE.
BUT ANOTHER ONE IS LIKE MORE THE ENGAGEMENT TYPE ACTIVITIES.
AND SO THEN WE HAVE SINCE HAD A MEETING WITH THE DESIGN COMMITTEE, UM, WHERE NOW WE'RE GETTING INTO NARROWING DOWN CONCEPTS ON HOW TO CREATE IDENTITY FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND SO, UM, THE NEXT TIME, THE NEXT THING WE'LL BE DOING WITH THE RESIDENTS THERE IS OCTOBER 30TH, THERE IS A BLOCK PARTY.
SO THE ENGAGEMENT COMMITTEES HELPING, UH, HOST THAT.
IT'S AT COLUM PARK, AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO GET MORE RESIDENTS TO PARTICIPATE, AND THEY'LL ACTUALLY VOTE THAT NIGHT ON, WE'VE NARROWED IT DOWN TO TWO IDENTITY CONCEPTS, DESIGN CONCEPTS, AND THEY WILL ACTUALLY VOTE THAT NIGHT, UM, WITH STICKERS ON WHICH ONE THEY WANT TO REPRESENT THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, I, IT MAY BE WORTH ASKING THE NEIGHBORS, LIKE WHAT THEY WOULD WANT TO SEE IN A HOUSE.
IF THEY WERE, IF THEY WERE GOING TO DO SOMETHING TO THEIR HOUSE, WHAT WOULD THEY DO? BECAUSE I ASSUME THAT THEY'RE ALL SIMILAR.
UM, WELL, MANY ARE PROBABLY SIMILAR IN SIZE AND MAYBE EVEN INCOME.
UM, SO IT WOULD BE NICE TO GET THEIR INPUT.
UM, WILL YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE THAT SHOWS THE REMODELING, UH, OPTION ONE? YEAH.
UM, I THINK THAT ANYONE TAKING ON A HOME IMPROVEMENT PROJECT, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S A MAJOR REHAB, UM, 160,000 IS ON THE VERY HIGH END OF, OF WHAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE OR WILLING TO DO.
UM, WHEN I REMODELED MY HOME, UM, IT WAS A LOT OF BLOOD, SWEAT AND TEARS PLUS BUILDING COSTS AND A HOME DEPOT CARD
AND, AND, AND IT TOTALED ABOUT $35,000.
AND THAT TOOK IT FROM CONDEMNATION TO TOTAL LIVABILITY.
UM, AGAIN, I THAT LIKE, I, I WAS THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR BECAUSE AS THE OWNER AND I HIRED SUBCONTRACT SUBCONTRACTORS AND TOOK CARE OF A LOT OF THINGS THAT, UM, I HAD NO KNOWLEDGE OF DOING
AND, BUT WE GOT 'EM DONE AND WE HAD BUILDING INSPECTIONS COME AND EVERYTHING WENT THROUGH AND, AND IT WAS A 10 AND A HALF MONTH PROJECT THAT ENDED IN A GREAT HOUSE TO LIVE IN THAT I STILL LIVE IN TODAY.
UM, I, I CHARGE YOU IN BEING CREATIVE AND FINDING A WAY TO SHOW RESIDENTS WHAT IS POSSIBLE FOR THEM TO DO IN A HOME REHAB.
AND EVEN IF IT'S JUST, THIS IS HOW MUCH YOU WOULD SPEND IN TODAY'S MONEY TO DO THIS PART OF THIS PROJECT, THIS IS HOW MUCH YOU WOULD SPEND TO DO THIS PART OF THIS PROJECT.
I THINK THAT THOUGH, I, I UNDERSTAND ADDING AN ADDITIONAL THREE TO 400 SQUARE FEET OF LIVING SPACE IS A BIG DEAL.
UM, I THINK THAT IT KIND OF UNDERMINES THE, WHAT THE, THIS PROJECT COULD SHOW TO PEOPLE AND OPTION ONE GIVES THEM
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WHAT COULD BE RATHER THAN, WELL, I'M NOT GONNA TEAR DOWN MY HOUSE AND BUILD A NEW ONE.WHERE AM I GONNA LIVE WHILE THE HOUSE TORN DOWN? YOU KNOW, SO IT GIVES THEM, I I THINK IT WOULD GIVE THEM, ESPECIALLY WITH LIKE ACTUAL COSTS AND INPUT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO SEE WHAT THEY WOULD WANT ON THEIR HOMES.
I THINK IT WOULD GIVE THEM, AND ANYONE ELSE THAT GOES TO THAT HOUSE OR DRIVES BY IT OR SEES THE PLANS ONLINE AND WHAT IS POSSIBLE, I THINK IT GIVES THEM A LOT MORE HOPE, UM, TO, TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
SO I'M, I'M IN AGREEANCE WITH OUR OTHER, UH, COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
UM, I THINK EITHER WAY IT WILL TURN OUT TO BE A WONDERFUL PROJECT.
UM, BUT I DO THINK THAT IT WOULD BE PRETTY NEAT TO SHOW PEOPLE WHAT'S POSSIBLE AND EVEN INVOLVING LIKE, OH, THIS IS, THIS IS THE PROCESS YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH WITH BUILDING INSPECTIONS TO GET THIS PROJECT DONE.
THIS IS WHAT, YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S, THERE'S SO MANY THINGS INVOLVED IN REHAB THAT, UM, RIGHT.
THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO DO UNLESS THEY HAVE AN EXAMPLE TO GO OFF OF.
SO, UM, DEFINITELY AT THE OCTOBER 30TH BLOCK PARTY, WE CAN ADD SOME SORT OF BOOTH AND KIND OF LIKE, HEY, THIS IS COMING.
AND USE THAT AS A WAY TO ASK THEM, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT, UH, REMODELS WOULD YOU MOST LIKE TO SEE IN YOUR HOME.
IT MIGHT NOT WIND UP BEING, YOU KNOW, EXACTLY A GOOD MATCH FOR THIS PROJECT, BUT WE CAN GATHER THAT INFORMATION FOR SURE.
AND THEN ON THE BACK END, WE DO, UM, INTEND WHEN THIS HOUSE IS DONE, UM, IT WILL PROBABLY BE THE LAST THING, YOU KNOW, TIMELINE WISE THAT'S FINISHED IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO IT WOULD BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE LIKE THE LAST BLOCK PARTY MM-HMM
UM, FOR THIS WHERE THE HEART IS AREA TO BE AT HOME ITSELF.
WE DID SOMETHING KIND OF LIKE THAT, UM, BACK IN THE OH 8, 0 9 AFTER, UM, ALL OF THE FORECLOSURES AND, UM, WE, THE FOCUS THEN WAS KIND OF ON, ON REMODEL ENERGY EFFICIENCY, BUT WE CAN OPEN IT UP AND, AND AS YOU'RE SAYING, WE CAN POINT OUT THINGS THAT WERE FIXED.
WE CAN HAVE THE OLD FLOOR PLAN, THE NEW FLOOR PLAN, UM, BUILDING INSPECTION PROCESS TO GET THERE.
AND I, I GENERALLY, ON MY LINE ITEM BUDGETS, I SEPARATE OUT ADDITION FROM THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE MM-HMM
SO WE WILL HAVE THE, WE CAN HAVE THOSE AS SEPARATE AMOUNTS SO THEY CAN SEE, OKAY, IT COSTS THIS MUCH TO DO WINDOWS ABOVE THESE FLOORS OR WHATEVER WE HAD TO DO TO THE, TO THE HOME.
AND I HAD, I, I HATE TO SAY THIS, BUT DUE TO HOW RECENTLY WE'VE GOTTEN THIS HOUSE, I DON'T HAVE A THOROUGH IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE DOING.
I WAS JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE CAPTURED EVERYTHING IN A NUMBER, BUT, UH, WOULD LIKE TO BREAK IT OUT TO MAKE SURE THAT AS A DEMONSTRATION HOUSE, WE CAN SHOW PEOPLE THAT THIS IS HOW MUCH IT COSTS FOR 10 WINDOWS, AND THIS IS THE COMPANY THAT DID THIS.
THERE'S, THERE MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SPONSORSHIPS THERE.
UM, COMMITTEE, DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR, FOR STAFF? OKAY.
AND SO THEN MY, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL LEAVING ON THE SAME PAGE.
SO CLARITY FOR NEXT STEPS AT THE COMMITTEE LEVEL ON THIS ITEM WOULD BE TO COME BACK TO YOU ALL IN NOVEMBER AND REPORT BACK ON THE OCTOBER 30TH EVENT.
UM, I DON'T THINK THAT'S NECESSARY.
I THINK WE ALL AGREE THAT OPTION ONE IS, IS WHAT WE KIND, WE ALL AGREED ON OPTION ONE.
AND THEN, UM, THAT INFORMATION CAN BE PRESENTED WHEN, WHENEVER YOU COME BACK TO COUNCIL.
SO GO FROM THERE TO REPORT OUT MM-HMM
COUNCIL POTENTIALLY IN NOVEMBER.
ITEM THREE C, REVIEW, CARPORT ORDINANCE.
AL RAYMOND, UH, MANAGING DIRECTOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES
UH, AND I, I GAVE A BRIEF AT OUR LAST MEETING IN, UH, SEPTEMBER.
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I KIND OF GAVE A BRIEF VERBAL ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, REVIEWING THE COURT FOR ORDINANCE.AND I SAID I WOULD COME BACK THIS MONTH WITH, UH, WITH A PRESENTATION AND, AND RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND I, SO, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO START OFF BY SAYING THESE ARE JUST RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO WHATEVER YOU CHOOSE TO DO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN FOLLOW THAT.
I, I, I JUST MADE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS JUST TO START THE CONVERSATION AND WE'LL, WE'LL SEE WHERE IT GOES.
UH, CURRENTLY THE OR, UH, CURRENT ASSESSMENT OF, OF THE ORDINANCE, UH, IT WAS WENT INTO EFFECT IN, UH, APRIL OF 2006.
UH, IT WAS CODIFIED WITH THE, UH, WITH THE, UH, 2015 GDC.
AND THEN THE COURSE OF GDC WAS SUB SUBSEQUENTLY UPDATED, UH, OVER THE SEVERAL YEARS.
UH, WE, WHAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT IN THIS BRIEF PRESENTATION IS, YOU KNOW, REVIEW IT, REPAIRS AND REPLACEMENT OF CARPORTS, NON-CONFORMING CARPORTS, YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S A THING.
UH, ENFORCEMENT PRACTICES AND, UH, AN APPEAL PROCESS.
THIS IS REALLY THE, THE, THE ENTIRE ORDINANCE SENDS AROUND THIS ONE PAGE, IF YOU WILL.
AND, AND REAL BRIEFLY, UH, NO CARPORTS OR CANOPIES OR CORTIER OF MEDICAL CONSTRUCTION MAY BE LOCATED IN FRONT OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES OR IN THE SIDE YARDS.
NO CAR PORTS, ET CETERA SHOULD BE LOCATED.
UH, AND NO CAR PORTS, SORRY, OUR PORT CASHIERS, UH, CANOPIES THAT ARE LOCATED IN FRONT OF SINGLE HOME RESIDENTS, UH, ARE WITHIN SIDE YARDS, CAN'T REALLY BE TALLER THAN THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
NUMBER THREE, CARPORTS, UH, OF METAL CONSTRUCTION CAN BE LOCATED AT THE REAR OF RESIDENCE IF IT COMES OFF OF A PAVED ALLEY.
NUMBER FOUR, CARPORTS CANOPIES PHOTO CASHIERS THAT ARE LOCATED IN THE REAR, UH, OF A ONE STORY HOME CAN'T BE TALLER THAN THAT HOME, OR, OR, OR NO TALLER THAN 15 FEET, WHICHEVER IS GREATER.
AND IF IT'S IN THE, LOCATED IN THE REAR OF A TWO STORY HOME, IT CAN BE TALLER THAN 15 FEET.
UH, NUMBER FIVE, ALL CONSTRUCTION OBVIOUSLY MUST BE TO BUILDING CODES.
NUMBER SIX, UH, PORTER CASHIERS, CANOPIES, CARPORTS MAY NOT BE ENCLOSED TO CONVERTED TO GARAGE SPACE, LIVING SPACE, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
WE ALL KNOW THAT, UH, SEVEN, UH, SIDING FOR CARPORTS CAN COME DOWN FROM THE ROOF TWO FEET ON THE OPEN, ON ALL OPEN SIDES.
AND THE BRAID IS REALLY KIND OF AN INTERESTING ONE AS THESE REQUIREMENTS APPLY ONLY TO CARPORTS CANOPIES, PORT CASHIERS CONSTRUCTED ACTOR, THE ORIGINAL EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE ADOPTING ORDINANCE, WHICH WAS IN 2006, APRIL, 2006, WHICH MEANS, WELL, WHAT HAPPENED TO ALL THE OTHER CARPORTS, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT LATER.
SO, OF ALL OF WHAT I JUST READ, I'VE ONLY REALLY CHANGED, AND SORRY FOR THE RED ALL OVER, BUT I ONLY REALLY CHANGED THE FIRST ONE, WHICH BASICALLY I'M, I'M PROPOSING TO CHANGE THE, SAY CORPUS CAN BE FORTIER OF MEDICAL CONSTRUCTION, MAYBE LOCATED IN FRONT OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN SIDE YARDS.
UH, THE ONLY REQUIREMENT I ADDED WAS, UH, TO PAINT THEM RIGHT TO, TO PAINT IT.
UH, IT NORMALLY COMES, UH, FACTORY PAINTED, BUT IF YOU WANTED TO FEEL PAINTED, YOU COULD PAINT IT, THEREFORE YOU COULD HAVE METAL CARDBOARDS.
NOW, IN FULL TRANSPARENCY, MY STAFF DISAGREED WITH THIS.
AND, AND I'M GONNA TELL YOU WHY THEY DISAGREED.
THEY SAID, HEY, THIS IS COUNTER TO THE DIRECTION OF THE, THE, UH, HOUSING STUDY, RIGHT? THIS IS COUNTER, THIS WAS TAKING GARLAND BACKWARDS INSTEAD OF FORTS.
MY RESPONSE WAS THIS, AND OF COURSE, THESE ARE JUST RECOMMENDATIONS, AND THAT'S WHY I'M SHARING IT WITH YOU.
MY RESPONSE WAS, YES, WHERE THE CITY OF GARLAND NEED, WE NEED TO REDEVELOP, AND WE KNOW WE NEED TO REDEVELOP, BUT WE'RE, IN MY OPINION, WE'RE NOT REDEVELOPING IN THESE LOCATIONS, RIGHT? SO, UM, AS I WAS OUT AROUND THE CITY FOR THE FIRST TIME IN A LONG TIME, UH, THERE ARE A LOT OF CARPORTS AND MOST OF THOSE CARPORTS ARE METAL, AND MOST OF THOSE METAL CARPORTS ARE IN FRONT, FRONT YARDS, BASICALLY, RIGHT? SO WHATEVER DECISION WE MAKE TO GO FORWARD, IF WE HAVE TO TAKE IN, WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHAT WAS DONE YESTERDAY, RIGHT? AND, AND RECONCILE IT.
SO, AND WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT GOING FORWARD, BUT I JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW IN REVIEWING THIS, YOU KNOW, MEMBERS OF MY TEAM SAID, HEY, YOU'RE, YOU'RE CRAZY.
WE'RE GOING COUNTER TO DIRECTION.
AND I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE THE THINGS WE WANT TO COURT, IF YOU WILL, TO GARLAND, SEEMS TO CONTRADICT, YOU KNOW, METAL COURT REPORTS AND THAT KIND OF THING ON, ON, OUT IN FRONT OF HOMES.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'LL SEE HOW WE RECONCILE THAT GOING FORWARD, BUT JUST WANTED TO BE IN FULL TRANSPARENCY, RIGHT?
SO THERE ARE SEVERAL DEFINITIONS THAT I TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME, AND THIS IS ONE THAT BASICALLY SAYS, IF YOU JUST LOOK AT THE LAST SENTENCE FOR, FOR BOTH OF THESE PARAGRAPHS, THE FIRST ONE SAYS, HEY, UH, CARPORT IN IT OR OTHERWISE ATTACHED TO BUILDINGS, SHOULD NOT, FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE GDC, BE CONSIDERED A PORTION OF A BUILDING, UH, CONSIDERED A BUILDING OR A PORTION OF A BUILDING.
AND I'VE JUST TAKEN THAT OUT AND SAID, IT IS A
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PORTION OF A BUILDING, WHICH ONLY MAKES SENSE TO ME.BUT OF COURSE, AS I SAID, THESE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT YOU CAN GO, OKAY, I DON'T THINK I LIKE THAT, OR WHATEVER.
I ADDED THIS IN BECAUSE I THOUGHT THIS WAS REALLY INTERESTING, RIGHT? DISTRICT SEVEN, DISTRICT EIGHT, DISTRICT THREE, AND DISTRICT FOUR, I THINK ARE REALLY PRIMARY.
UH, AND, AND I WANNA MAKE SURE I MAKE THIS CLEAR.
THESE ARE THE PRIMARY LOCATIONS OF CARPORTS THAT CAME IN FOR PERMITS, NOT THE MILLION THAT I SAW OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS,
SO THE FEW THAT ARE HERE, THE 400 AND, AND, AND, AND, AND 12 THAT CAME IN FOR PERMIT, RIGHT? UH, WE CAN SEE WHERE THEY'RE IN THE CITY.
HOWEVER, IF YOU DRIVE TO THE CITY, IF WE ACTUALLY LOCATED THIS MAP WOULD BE JUST COVERED, RIGHT? AND I JUST KIND OF QUICKLY SAID, LET'S JUST PULL IT AND SEE WHAT IT IS, RIGHT? WHAT, WHAT HAVE WE PERMITTED OVER THE YEARS? UH, AND THIS KIND OF GIVES YOU A GENERAL IDEA.
SO THOSE WHO CHOOSE THE PERMIT KNOW IT NEEDS PERMITS, AND THEY REACH OUT AND SAY, WELL, LET ME GO GET A PERMIT.
THOSE THAT DO NOT TAKE A GAMBLE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ONE, DON'T WORK ON THE WEEKENDS, AND, AND TWO, WE'LL JUST START IT.
AND IF WE GET CAUGHT, WE'LL ASK FOR FORGIVENESS, RIGHT? AND, AND, AND WE HAVE A STAFF IN A CITY THAT'S LARGE ENOUGH TO DO THAT, RIGHT? AND PEOPLE DO IT ALL THE TIME.
AND, AND NOT JUST THIS CITY, IT JUST, IT JUST HAPPENS THAT WAY, RIGHT? SO, UM, THESE ARE SOME PHOTOGRAPHS.
I TOOK A MILLION PHOTOGRAPHS, BUT I, AND I COULDN'T PUT 'EM ALL HERE BECAUSE WE'D BE HERE ALL NIGHT, BUT, BUT I WANTED TO SHOW, I PUT THE PHOTO IN THE RIGHT HERE IN THE UPPER RIGHT, BECAUSE IT, IT SPECIFICALLY SPEAKS TO WHAT MY STAFF WAS SAYING.
HEY, GOSH, WHO WOULD WANT TO LIVE NEXT TO THAT? RIGHT? UH, IT, IT NOT ONLY HURTS THE PROPERTY THAT IT'S ON, BUT IT HURTS GOING IN BOTH DIRECTIONS, RIGHT? SO IT IS WHAT IT IS.
OR EVEN THE ONE IN THE MIDDLE THERE.
AND, AND OF COURSE THE ONE IN UPPER RIGHT IS METAL, THE ONE TO THE LEFT IS METAL.
THE ONE AT, AT THE BOTTOM IS, IS WOOD.
AND, AND I THOUGHT THE ONE AT THE BOTTOM IS REALLY NEAT, BECAUSE WHOEVER BUILT IT OUT OF WOOD TOOK SO MUCH TIME BECAUSE IT'S SO INTRICATE, RIGHT? BUT AGAIN, YES.
DOES IT HURT? YES, IT DOES HURT.
UH, BUT HOW DO WE CHOOSE TO ADDRESS IT, RIGHT? IS GONNA IMPACT, YOU KNOW, THESE PROPERTIES DEPENDING ON HOW WE, WE SAY, WELL, THIS IS HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO IT GOING FORWARD.
SO OBVIOUSLY THAT MUST MEAN THIS IS HOW IT'S GONNA LOOK, YOU KNOW, IN REARS, RIGHT? SO, SO MORE PICTURES OF CARPORTS, ALL OF THESE ARE A WOOD, AND IT'S EASIER TO, I UNDERSTAND THAT, TO, TO BLEND IN WOOD MORE SO THAN METAL, RIGHT? LOOK AT THESE NICE ONES.
I MEAN, THE, THE TWO AT THE TOP ARE REALLY PROMINENT STRUCTURES AND CARS, HOW BEAUTIFUL THEY'VE BEEN HAD TO, HAD, WE WERE ABLE TO GET IT AND SAY, HEY, MAKE IT CONTEXTUALLY MATCH WHAT'S IN FRONT OF IT OR WHATEVER.
BUT YOU, THAT'S, AND IT'S EASY TO SAY, AND I DIDN'T CHECK BECAUSE I, FOR, UH, UH, I DIDN'T CHECK TO SEE IF ALL THESE WERE PERMITTED, RIGHT?
BUT, UH, YES, IT'S EASY TO SAY, IF THIS CAME FOR PERMIT, WE GO, WHAT? ARE YOU CRAZY? THIS DOESN'T EVEN LOOK LIKE A HOUSE, RIGHT? IT'S, IT ALL THE PROPORTIONS ARE OFF AND EVERYTHING.
IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST EVERY SPECTRUM OUT THERE, RIGHT? SO IT'S, IT'S A HANDFUL, RIGHT? AND, AND LIKE COUNCILMAN BASS SAID EARLIER WITH THE OTHER TEAM, HEY, WHAT, WHAT IS THE GOAL? WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO ACHIEVE HERE? RIGHT? BECAUSE MAYBE WITH THAT, I'LL BE ABLE TO, UH, WE'LL BE ABLE TO NAVIGATE AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS KIND OF WHAT WE WANT AND HOW WE WANT TO GO FORWARD WITH IT, RIGHT?
LEMME JUST PULL IT UP AND TAKE IT OFF.
AND WOW, NO PROBLEM, NO HARM, NO FOUL, BUT EVERYTHING'S NOT GONNA BE AS EASY AS THAT.
SO DECISIONS WE MAKE, WE HAVE TO REALIZE, HEY, IT'S GONNA, IT'S GONNA HAVE A RIPPLE EFFECT EVEN GOING BACKWARDS, RIGHT? SO WHAT ARE WE PROPOSING, UM, PROPOSING? UH, OBVIOUSLY THE FIR FIRST THING I SAID, HEY, ALLOW METAL CAR PORTS THERE, THERE'S ALREADY A MILLION OF THEM, BUT, AND AS MY STAFF SAID, JUST BECAUSE THERE'S A MILLION DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE TO KEEP DOING IT.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING THESE ARE ALL, YOU KNOW, PROPOSALS, UH, AND PROPOSAL CARPORT SETBACK, RIGHT? SO YEAH, LET IT ALLOW IT TO GO IN FRONT OF THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND JUST SAY, HEY, IT'S GOTTA BE, YOU KNOW, 10 FEET OR SO FROM THE FRONT SETBACK LINE, UH, PROPOSAL SIDE SETBACK THREE FEET.
THAT MEANS IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE FIRE RATED.
CARPORT SHOULD BE THE SAME WITH A DETACHED, DETACHED, SAME REQUIREMENT SHOULD APPLY.
UH, PROPOSED REAR, UH, PROPOSED REAR CARPORT, SETBACKS 20 FEET.
OF COURSE, THAT'S SETTING OFF THE ALLEY OF THE, THE REAR PROPERTY LINE.
AND I JUST CAME UP WITH A SIZE FOUR INCH SQUARE FEET.
WE COULD SAY LARGER BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU HAVE A TRUCK IN A CAR THAT'S A TIGHT FIT, YOU HAVE TWO TRUCKS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT COULD FIT AT ALL.
SO JUST, JUST KIND OF SAYING, HEY, TWO NICE SIZED CARS COULD PROBABLY FIT UNDER THAT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST PROPOSING, UH, HEY, THESE ARE SOME THINGS WE CAN DO GOING FORWARD FROM THE ENFORCEMENT STANDPOINT.
AND I WANT YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE FIRST
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BULLET.ALL EXISTING CARPORTS WILL BE CONSIDERED LEGAL, YOU KNOW, EXISTING NON-CONFORMING.
NOW, IN FULL TRANSPARENCY, MY STAFF DISAGREED WITH THAT BECAUSE WITH THAT ASSESSMENT, BECAUSE IN THE NUTSHELL, THEY FELT, HEY, AS LONG AS WE STILL HAVE CONTROL, WE, AS LONG AS WE STILL, UH, HAVE CONTROL, UM, WE CAN CONTROL, SO TO SPEAK, THE OUTCOME OF, OF WHAT'S PRESENTED TO US, RIGHT? THE, THE, THE CHALLENGE WITH THAT, THE CHALLENGE WITH THAT IS, IS THIS, UM, IF, LIKE I READ IN THE, IN THE BEGINNING OF THE ORDINANCE, IF IT SAYS, HEY, THIS ORDINANCE THAT WAS ADOPTED IN APRIL, 2006 IS APRIL, 2006, WE WENT FORWARD, OKAY, WELL, WHAT ABOUT ALL THE OTHER CRAP THAT WAS BUILT? SORRY, ALL THE OTHER STUFF, ALL THE OTHER CARPORTS THAT WERE BUILT, UH, BEFORE THEN, RIGHT? SO WE HAVE TO, WE, UH, YOU KNOW, REASONABLE PEOPLE WILL HAVE TO MAKE A, A, YOU KNOW, RATIONAL DECISION ABOUT HOW WE GONNA, HOW WE WANT TO HANDLE THAT, RIGHT? SO TO ME, A REASONABLE DECISION WOULD BE, HEY, OKAY, YOUR EXISTING NON-CONFORMING, I MEAN, IF YOU DIDN'T BUILD THAT YESTERDAY AND IT WAS THERE, YOUR EXISTING NONCONFORMING.
NOW WHEN I, WHEN I DROVE THROUGH THE CITY AND I LOOKED AT COBRA, YES, SOME OF THEM LOOK SPANKING BRAND NEW, ALMOST AS IF THE GUY JUST PICKED UP HIS STOOLS AND WALKED HIS TRUCK AND DROVE OFF.
BUT THEN I SAID TO MYSELF, YEAH, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M, I'M JUST SPECULATING, RIGHT? UNLESS SOMEONE CAN COME AND SAY, HEY, YEAH, HE BUILT THAT.
IT'S ALL JUST SPECULATION, RIGHT? SO THE REASONABLE THING IN MY OPINION WOULD SAY, HEY, LET'S JUST MAKE ALL THAT LEGAL NONCONFORMING.
I DO AGREE WITH MY, UH, PLANNING DIRECTOR THAT SAYS, HEY, YES, LEGAL NONCONFORMING FOR STUFF BUILT LEGALLY, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE CRAP THAT WAS BUILT? SORRY, WHAT ABOUT THE THINGS THAT WERE BUILT ILLEGALLY? WHICH AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW.
NOW I, YOU CAN SAY, HEY, UH, CITY BUILDING INSPECTIONS, YOU DO YOUR RESEARCH RUN TO GO TO LOOK AT HOUSE, YOU KNOW, 26, 15 HALF AREA AND SEE, DID IT, DOES IT HAVE A CARPORT PERMIT? AND IF NOT, THEN WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING.
ARE WE WILLING TO DO THAT? RIGHT? AND THAT, THAT'S IT.
AND I'M, REGARDLESS OF THE SIZE OF MY STAFF, REGARDLESS OF WHAT OUR BUDGET IS, REGARDLESS OF ANY, I'M NOT SAYING, HEY, I DON'T HAVE THE TABLET.
I'M JUST SAYING, HEY, I'M TRIPPING IT UP AND I, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I NEED YOU TO KIND OF, TO ASSESS IT WITH IT AND, AND KIND OF FIGURE OUT HOW WE WANNA MOVE FORWARD.
THE SECOND THING IS BE AWARE OF WORK PERFORMING.
OF COURSE, WE KNOW THAT NOW, KIND OF BEING AWARE, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO DO, MUCH LIKE WE HAVE DONE WITH THE WEEKEND VENDORS, WE MAY HAVE TO, BECAUSE, AND I'M SURE YOU KNOW THIS, EVERY CITY IN USA, A LOT OF STUFF HAPPENS ON THE WEEKENDS BECAUSE THEY KNOW, HEY, THE CITY'S AT HOME OR WATCHING THE GAME LIKE EVERYONE ELSE, RIGHT? SO IF I'M GONNA BUILD SOMETHING, UH, REROOF MY HOUSE, OR, YOU KNOW, DO MY VENEER OVER WHATEVER, THE BEST TIME I I, FOR ME TO DO THAT IS ON THE WEEKEND WHEN NO ONE'S WATCHING ME, RIGHT? SO WE, WE HAVE TO BE MORE AWARE OF THAT ISSUE, STOP WORK ORDERS WHEN WE SEE THOSE THINGS AND FOLLOW UP AS NEEDED TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE.
AND AS WITH RESIDENTS, MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THE CARPORTS ARE WELL MAINTAINED, BECAUSE OF COURSE, ONE OF THE PICTURES I SHOWED YOU THERE, YOU KNOW, THEY WITHER AND FADE JUST LIKE THE HOME DOES.
AND BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A, IT'S KIND OF AN EYE SOURCE STICKING RIGHT OUT THERE, IT, IT LOOKS EVEN WORSE WHEN, WHEN IT'S NOT WELL, WELL MAINTAINED.
AND THEN OF COURSE, THE APPEAL PROCESS BUILDING OFFICIAL, WE HAVE OUR, UH, BUILDING STANDARDS COMMISSION, AND OF COURSE, IF THERE'S LOT SIZE ISSUES THAT WOULD AFFECT THE SETBACK OR THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD GO THROUGH THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS.
NOW, UH, IN FULL TRANSPARENCY, MY STAFF SAID, HEY, THIS IS OUTTA A COMPARISON OF, OF CITIES THAT ARE COMPARED TO GARLAND.
AND, AND MY RESPONSE WAS, YOU'RE RIGHT.
I WASN'T THINKING OF, UH, COMPARING IT TO GOLAND BECAUSE THIS CARDBOARD ISSUE IS KIND OF REALLY, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, ANY CITY ISSUE, RIGHT? SO I WASN'T LOOKING AT THE METROPLEX IN AND OF ITSELF, HOWEVER, UH, IN, IN, WHEN MY STAFF WAS, THEY SAID, SORRY, THEY SHARED WITH ME THAT FRISCO, PLANO, CARROLLTON AND ARLINGTON DO NOT ALLOW CARPORTS INTO THE FRONT.
A LOT OF THESE CITIES, AS YOU SEE, WELL, SEVERAL OF THEM, HEY, UH, I PREFER YOU NOT PUT IN THE FRONT, UH, WE, WE DISCOURAGE YOU, WHATEVER.
BUT MY THOUGHT, MY, MY RESPONSE TO THAT IS THIS, IN AREAS OF OUR CITY, LIKE IN AREAS OF MOST CITIES WHERE THE, THE OLDER HOMES WITH THE SMALLER LOTS, YOU KNOW, THAT THOSE, THOSE HOMES HAVE TAKEN THOSE ONE CAR GARAGES, AND ALMOST EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM HAVE CLOSED THEM IN.
AND SO, COULD I JUST WANNA PROTECT MY CAR? SO, UH, IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING WE WE'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE'RE SAYING, HEY, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IS THE PURPOSE YOU'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE? IF WE'RE SAYING WE WANT TO DO THAT, THEN WE GET KIND OF FIGURE OUT, OKAY, WHAT
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DO WE WANT TO DO? AND THEN FIGURE OUT A WAY HOW WE DO IT SO THAT WHEN WE DON'T HAVE ANGER ON OUR FACE AND, AND WE HAVE THE RESOURCES TO, TO DO IT WELL, RIGHT? SO ANYWAY, WITH THAT BEING SAID, UH, UH, THAT'S THE END OF MY PRESENTATION AND I'M OPEN FOR ANY QUESTIONS.A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION HERE.
SO LET'S GO BACK, GO BACK ONE MORE SLIDE, I THINK, OKAY, SO ALL EXISTING CARPORTS WILL BE CONSIDERED LEGAL EXISTING NON-COUNTRY RECOMMENDATION.
SO THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION, RIGHT? SO, AND HERE, I GUESS HERE'S WHERE I'M THINKING, RIGHT? SO JUST BECAUSE WE PUT SOMETHING ON PAPER DOESN'T CHANGE PEOPLE'S ACTIONS, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO THE, SOMEONE BUILT A CARPORT LAST WEEK, WELL, HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE SAY, OKAY, YOU KNOW, JANUARY 1ST, 2026 GOING FORWARD, YOU KNOW, THEN, THEN, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE, WE'RE GONNA ENFORCE GETTING PERMITS AND GET 'EM BUILT.
AND HOW, HOW ARE WE GOING TO, HOW, WHAT, WHAT METHOD OF ENFORCEMENT ARE WE GONNA HAVE TO EXCELLENT QUESTION, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, BEFORE IN DECEMBER, 2025, I HAVE A, AN INSPECTION STAFF OF SEVEN IN THE CITY THAT'S 60, ROUGHLY 60 SQUARE MILES.
AND AFTER, UH, JANUARY 1ST, 2026, I'LL HAVE AN INSPECTION STAFF OF SEVEN, RIGHT? SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S REALLY IMPOSSIBLE UNLESS SOMEONE DROPS A DIME, YOU KNOW? AND, AND HOW WE GET INTO THESE DANCES IS BECAUSE A NEIGHBOR DOESN'T LIKE ANOTHER NEIGHBOR, AND BAM, WE'RE RIGHT THERE.
RIGHT? THEY DID THIS WHEN I, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, ALL THIS KINDA STUFF.
SO WITHOUT THAT HAPPENING, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT, RIGHT? SO, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, I TOLD YOU I DROVE UPON TWO CARPORTS THAT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS JUST CAME OUT OF THE BOX, RIGHT? BUT HOW COULD I GO TO THE HOME AND SAY, HEY, YOU DIDN'T GET A PERMIT, RIGHT? YOU KNOW? AND NOW GRANTED, I COULD EASILY GO TO MY, I WOULD EASILY GO TO OUR SYSTEM, PULL UP AND SAY, HEY, 25, YOU KNOW, 25, 16 HACK, HE DOESN'T HAVE A PERMIT FOR A CARPORT.
WE JUST NEED DIRECTION TO SAY THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT US TO DO.
AND IT'S FINE, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS, UH, IT'S EVERYWHERE AS YOU WOULD KNOW, RIGHT? SO WHATEVER.
SO WHEN WE SAY, THIS IS HOW WE THINK WE WANT TO GO FORWARD, WHATEVER THAT MAY BE, THAT ALSO IS GONNA HAVE INDICATIONS OF HOW WE WILL HANDLE THINGS IN ARREARS, RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHY MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE, HEY, WHATEVER IS EXISTING, GOOD, BAD OR INDIFFERENT, UGLY OR NOT, AIN'T IT, OR NOT, CLADDED OR NOT, WHATEVER.
WE SHOULD LET ROLL JUST FOR OUR, YOU KNOW, FOR THE CITY'S SAKE BECAUSE THEY'RE BIGGER ISH.
AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, OF COURSE THE CARPORT SERVES A PURPOSE, BUT LIKE SOME OF THE PICTURES THAT YOU SHOWED US, I MEAN, THERE ARE SOME REALLY BAD LOOKING ONES.
YOU GOT PICTURES OF UNDERSTOOD.
UM, MAN, THE ONES THAT LOOK, LOOK LIKE THEY'RE TEMPORARY OR LIKE PUT TOGETHER OUT OF A KIT, THEN THOSE ARE JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT ONE UP THERE ON THE TOP RIGHT WITH THAT RED CAR, THAT'S JUST TERRIBLE
AND THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT THAT I WANTED TO SHARE ABOUT SOMETHING I WANTED TO SAY IS THAT, AND THIS IS A, THIS IS AN OLD ONE, RIGHT? THIS IS LIKE FROM, I KNOW, EIGHTIES OR WHATEVER.
NOW CARPORTS COME LIKE A BUTLER BUILDING, RIGHT? IT COMES IN A PACKAGE, YOU ASSEMBLE IT.
I MEAN, YOU, YOU OPEN IT UP AND YOU ASSEMBLE IT MUCH LIKE YOU'RE ASSEMBLING A A, A TONKA TOY OR SOMETHING, RIGHT? A KIA, IT'S MUCH CHEAPER THAN IF YOU WOULD HAVE A GUY BUILDING OUT OF WOOD, RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHY I'M THINKING, GUYS, METAL COVER ARE CHEAPER.
AND YOU, YOU MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT THE, THE INCOME LEVEL AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
SO THE PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR WAYS TO COVER THEIR VEHICLES THAT, YOU KNOW, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
SO THIS IS WHY, AGAIN, RECOMMEND RECOMMENDATIONS.
THIS IS WHY I THINK WE SHOULDN'T GET RID OF METAL CAR FORCE BECAUSE IT'S CHEAPER TO DO THAN WOOD.
AND IT'S, IT'S, UM, AND IT, OUR BIGGEST CONCERN IS THAT IT'S METAL.
OKAY? THEN I, I SAID PAINT IT.
YEAH, OF COURSE PAINT IS NOT GONNA COVER THE FACT THAT IT'S METAL.
BUT HOPEFULLY MAYBE WE CAN SAY, OKAY, ELISA CAN CONTEXTUALLY MEET THE, THE, THE INTENT OF, OF THE, OUR FABRIC OF WHATEVER THE EXISTING BUILDING LOOKS LIKE.
SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS WE CAN DO.
BUT THEN WE COULD ALSO SAY, NO, NO, NO, WE DON'T WANT METAL AT ALL.
SO, YOU KNOW, SO I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THE METAL.
I DO THINK THAT WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO, YOU KNOW, CONTROL THE DESIGN, MAKE SURE IT LOOKS GOOD WITH THE HOUSE, UM, THAT KIND OF ADDS ANOTHER LAYER TOO.
UM, BUT THAT'S THE ONLY WAY WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, PROTECT THE AESTHETICS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD BE TO HAVE CONTROL OVER DESIGN.
NOT MATERIAL, BUT YEAH, DEFINITELY, DEFINITELY SEE SOME OF THE PROBLEMS THERE,
BUT I, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BAN METAL CARPORTS.
'CAUSE AGAIN, I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE, THAT'S
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NOT WHERE THE ISSUE LIES.IT'S THE DESIGN IS WHERE THE ISSUE LIES.
UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, IN ENFORCEMENT, RIGHT? ENFORCEMENT ON THINGS, I DON'T, I KNOW WE HAVEN'T, AND I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD START, YOU KNOW, GOING AND TELLING PEOPLE TO TEAR DOWN THEIR CARPORT.
THAT'S, THAT'S NOT GONNA LOOK GOOD IN THE PUBLIC EYE
THAT'S JUST ANOTHER, BUT YEAH, AND THAT'S JUST ANOTHER THING THAT FALLS UNDER ENFORCEMENT, RIGHT? SO YES.
SO THIS IS A, THIS IS A TOUGH ROAD TO HOE
UM, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE.
IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO YOUR, UH, MAP OF THE CITY, THE HEAT MAP.
AND SO DISTRICT SEVEN LOOKS LIKE HIROSHIMA AND NAGASAKI WITH THOSE TWO BIG YELLOW BOMBS DROPPED.
THERE MEANS THERE ARE A LOT OF CAMELOT, BUT I'M ALSO AWARE OF WHERE THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE.
AND, UH, THAT IS CAMELOT AND OAK RIDGE.
AND ALMOST EVERY HOUSE IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS, UNLESS YOU BACK UP TO A CAMELOT POND, YOUR DRIVEWAY IS IN THE REAR.
AND SO ALMOST ALL OF THOSE WOULD BE REAR WOULD BE IN THE REAR OF THE HOUSE.
MY QUESTION IS, YOU SAID THAT WE WOULD REQUIRE A 20 FOOT SETBACK FROM THE ALLEY, THE CARPORT, FOOT CARPORTS IN THE REAR, IT'S RECOMMENDATION IS 20 FOOT FROM THE ALLEY.
ARE YOU REAR PROPERTY LINE? YES.
SO THE, I WOULD HAVE TO, THE CARPORT WOULDN'T COVER HALF OF A CAR.
IF YOU PUT ONE ON MY, IN MY, MY HOUSE PARTICULAR BE THE DRIVEWAY'S BARELY 30 FEET LONG, AND YOU IN THE FRONT OF THE REAR.
AND SO I, I, I STRUGGLE WITH THAT 20 FOOT SETBACK NUMBER EVEN IN THE REAR, BECAUSE THE, THE DRIVEWAY'S ONLY 30 FEET LONG.
AND SO WHAT, A 10 FOOT LONG CARPORT DOESN'T REALLY HELP COVER ANYTHING.
UM, 10 FEET I COULD PROBABLY LIVE WITH, OR I DON'T KNOW, IT'S FIVE, FIVE ENOUGH.
I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT, AND, AND HAVING DRIVEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, LOOKING AT STUFF FOR, FOR OTHER REASONS.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, A CARPORT THAT WENT UP ON THE, ON MY ALLEY, DOWN THE, YOU KNOW, A FEW HOUSES DOWN FROM ME, NO IDEA IF IT'S PERMITTED OR NOT, BUT IT'S ABOUT FIVE FEET FROM THE ALLEY AND CLOSEST PERMITTED.
THERE ARE PROBABLY A LOT OF PERMITS THERE WITH THAT MUCH YELLOW, HUH.
THE, THE ISSUE, WELL, YOU JUST DON'T WANT TO COVER ALL OF THE LOT, RIGHT? SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE OPEN SPACE.
FIVE, REDUCING THAT TO 10 OR MAYBE FIVE BASED ON LOT SIGNS.
I THINK WE'VE GOTTA ACCOUNT FOR, SO, YOU KNOW, THE LENGTH OF THE DRIVEWAY THERE BECAUSE OF THE CARPORT DOESN'T COVER THE WHOLE CAR.
WHAT'S THE POINT? SO, UM, YOU KNOW, AND I JUST WANTED TO OFFER THAT UP AS A, AS A SUGGESTION, KNOWING WHAT I KNOW ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN DISTRICT SEVEN.
SO I HAVE SOMETHING ON THAT, ON THAT SAME LINE.
SO IF WE HAVE A, YOU HAVE A MAXIMUM CARPORT SIZE OF 400 SQUARE FEET, CORRECT? YES.
THAT'S SO THAT ON A REAR, ON A REAR ALLEY DRIVEWAY, YOU DO, WE NECESSARILY NEED TO HAVE A SETBACK NUMBER BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE A MAXIMUM SIZE.
WE ALREADY HAVE A MAXIMUM SIZE.
YOU'RE TALKING FOR SINCE IF WE ADOPT THE SIZE OF FOUR SQUARE FEET OR WHATEVER THAT TIME THAT, RIGHT, RIGHT.
ACTUALLY THAT'S A GREAT POINT.
THEN DO YOU NECESSARILY NEED A SETBACK? 'CAUSE THE DRIVEWAY LINKS ARE GONNA VARY BY NEIGHBORHOOD.
ACTUALLY, I WOULD, I WOULD THINK NO, YOU WOULD NOT.
UH, I WOULD VERIFY WITH MY PLANNING DIRECTOR, BUT I WOULD THINK NO, YOU WOULDN'T ON THE REAR.
IF INDEED WE, WE SAY, HEY, THE SIZE IS 400, 500, 600 SQUARE FEET, WHATEVER IT MAY BE, UH, AND IT, THEN IT SETS ITSELF IN THE REAR.
THAT'S, THAT'S A GREAT POINT, JIM.
BUT I THINK THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, BE A MUCH EASIER THING TO, FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND HOW BIG IT COULD BE.
AND THAT 400 FEET, I MEAN, AND TO TRY TO GET SOME KIND OF THAT, MY DRIVEWAY IS TWO CARS WIDE AND ABOUT 30 FEET LONG, AND SO THAT'S SOMEWHERE IN THE 400 FOOT SQUARE FOOT NEIGHBORHOOD.
IF IT'S ENOUGH TO COVER TWO CARS, WHATEVER THAT NUMBER TURNS OUT TO BE, THEN THAT'S PROBABLY ENOUGH.
WE'RE NOT PUTTING UP CARPORTS TO COVER YOUR WHOLE FLEET
UH, JUST COUPLE IS A BIG NUMBER.
THAT'S A 20 BY 20, WHICH IS A STANDARD TWO CAR GARAGE.
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EXACTLY.WHICH IS WHY I PULLED THAT OUT.
IF WE COULD, IF WE COULD LET THE, THE SIZE OF THE CARPORT YEAH.
ON THE REAR, ON THE REAR WITH A, UH, YOU KNOW, WHERE, WHERE YOU'VE GOT A REAR IN, YOU KNOW, DRIVEWAY IN THE REAR.
I THINK THAT'S A, YOU KNOW, EASIER STANDARD FOR US.
COUNCILMAN THOMAS, WHAT'S YOUR OPINION ON THE LEGAL NON-CONFORMING ISSUE FOR CARPORTS IN EXISTENCE RIGHT NOW? AND SO, ARE YOU, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE ONES BUILT PRIOR TO 2006? YES.
THE ONES BUILT TODAY UNTIL TODAY.
ANYTHING PRIOR TO THIS MEETING IS WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I, I, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S JUST BECAUSE OF HOW DIFFICULT WOULD BE TO UN TO ENFORCE.
I JUST CAN'T SEE US DOING ANYTHING ELSE THAN THAT.
I, I, I JUST, IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR US.
I MEAN, YEAH, A MAJOR EFFORT TO GO THROUGH AND FIGURE OUT WHOSE CARPORTS DO WE NEED TO GET TORN DOWN THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, BUT THEN WE, WE NEED AN OUTREACH.
WE NEED PEOPLE TO KNOW ABOUT THIS 'CAUSE WE'RE GETTING MORE, NOT LESS, UH, CERTAINLY ON MY LITTLE STREET.
SO I WOULD, I WOULD BE, UH, YOU KNOW, WILLING TO MAKE THOSE LEGALLY NON-CONFORMING AS WE HAVE DONE IN OTHER PLACES AND, AND, AND THEN GO FORWARD.
WELL, I SHALL BE THE LONE TO CENTER HERE THEN.
I, I THINK THAT MOST OF THE, MOST OF THE TIME, IF YOU'RE GOING OUT ON A, THIS CARPORT DOESN'T HAVE A PERMIT AND SHOULDN'T BE THEIR CALL, IT'S COMPLAINT DRIVEN AND RIGHT.
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WOULD CHANGE EVER.
SO TAKING AWAY, HERE'S, HERE'S MY, MY THOUGHT.
IF A NEIGHBOR HAS A HOARDER LIVING NEXT DOOR, AND NOT ONLY DO THEY HAVE VEHICLES UNDER THEIR CARPORT, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE 50 COLUMNS OF NEWSPAPERS, AND THEY HAVE RODENTS, AND THEY HAVE ALL KINDS OF THINGS GOING ON RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO SAY, UM, NOT ONLY DO YOU HAVE TO CLEAN THIS STUFF UP, BUT YOU HAVE TO REMOVE THIS CARPORT BECAUSE YOU KNOW, YOU'RE A HOARDER.
AND IT'S PROBABLY GONNA HAPPEN AGAIN, EVEN IF WE DO CLEAN IT UP.
SO TAKING AWAY THE ABILITY FOR SOMEONE TO STORE OTHER THINGS UNDER THE CARPORT, I THINK IS ONE OF THE TOOLS THAT WE HAVE NOW.
NO, NONCONFORMING DOES TAKE AWAY ONE OF THOSE TOOLS, UM, IN FIVE, THE MAJORITY OF THE CARPORTS ARE IN FRONT.
WE DON'T HAVE ALLEYS IN MANY CASES.
UM, SOMETIMES UTILITY EASEMENTS, BUT THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO PAVE DRIVE TO CONNECT ANYTHING TO, SO PEOPLE ARE USING REAR CARPORTS AS PATIOS.
THEY'RE NOT EVEN THERE TO STORE VEHICLES.
UM, SO
BUT YOU BROUGHT SOMETHING I TOTALLY FORGOTTEN UNTIL YOU MENTIONED IT ABOUT, UH, THIS, THIS ORDINANCE AS WELL, IN TERMS OF HOW THE RULES HAVE TO COME DOWN AND INTERACT WITH, WITH PATIO COVERS, WHICH MM-HMM
IT'S NOT A PART OF THIS, BUT IT'S STILL ON MY LIST OF THINGS TO LOOK AT.
I, I CAN'T FIND OUT WHAT YOU WERE SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT, BUT I'LL GET WITH WELL, AND I, AND I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO, UM, I'M, I'M WONDERING IF MAYBE, UH, COUNCILMAN BASS HAD REFERRED TO DESIGN.
WELL, ONE OF THE REASONS THAT ALL OF THOSE CARPORTS THAT WE SAW THAT LOOKED BAD, LOOKED BAD BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T PART OF, THEY DIDN'T FOLLOW THE STRUCTURE.
SO THE ONE THAT HAD THAT VAN IN IT, THAT WAS LIKE SIX FEET TALLER THAN THE ROOF LINE OF THE HOUSE, UM, TO ACCOMMODATE A TALL VAN, UM, THAT, THAT LOOKS TERRIBLE BECAUSE IT'S NOT PART OF THE DESIGN STRUCTURE OF THE HOME.
IF, UM, AND, AND I KNOW THAT TOP RIGHT WING COUNCILMAN VA YOU HAD A PROBLEM WITH, BUT LOOK AT THEY, THEY PAINTED THE TRIM THE SAME COLOR OF THE, AS THE TRIM ON THE HOUSE.
BUT HERE AGAIN, THAT CARPORT IN PARTICULAR DOESN'T LIKE GO WITH THE HOUSE.
NOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE ONE ON THE TOP LEFT, THAT ONE KIND OF FITS.
IT ACTUALLY LOOKS OF, OF THESE THREE, THAT ONE LOOKS THE BEST BECAUSE IT'S FOLLOWING THAT ROOF LINE.
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AN EXTENSION OF THE HOUSE, EVEN THOUGH IT DOESN'T, IT, IT PROBABLY IS CONNECTED, BUT YOU COULD PUT TWO MORE POLES TOWARDS THE GARAGE AND IT WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE CONNECTED.IT'S REALLY SIMPLE, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT.
SO I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE BETTER TO LOOK AT HOW, YOU KNOW, HOW WE ARE ALLOWING PEOPLE TO BUILD THESE, AND IF THEY AREN'T IN COMPLIANCE AND SOMEONE IS COMPLAINING, THEN WE STILL HAVE A TOOL TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THEM DO SOMETHING.
EITHER FOLLOW OUR, OUR CURRENT OR REVISED ORDINANCE, OR TAKE IT DOWN.
AND ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE STORING THINGS OTHER THAN VEHICLES, LIKE TRASH CANS, UM, I MEAN, HOUSE REMODELING, DEBRIS, ALL I'VE SEEN ALL KINDS OF THINGS UNDER THOSE.
SO, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT CARPORTS SHOULD ONLY BE USED TO STORE TO HOUSE VEHICLES IF WE CAN CONTROL THAT.
NOW, I GOT, I GOTTA MENTION AN INTERESTING POINT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, LET'S, OVER THE LAST COUPLE DAYS, I, I LOOK AT A THOUSAND CARPORTS AND I DIDN'T SEE JUNK, LIKE YOU WERE SAYING, ALTHOUGH I'VE HAVE BEEN IN CITIES WHERE I'VE SEEN PEOPLE USE IT AS AN ADDITIONAL STORAGE ROOM WITHOUT WALLS, IF YOU'LL OR SOMETHING.
BUT, SO I, I WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND.
YOU'RE PROPOSING, HEY, WE DON'T DO THE EXISTING NONCONFORMING.
WE SHOULD STILL HOLD THEM BY THE SHORT HAIRS AND SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND ONLY IF WE RUN INTO AN ISSUE AT THAT ADDRESS, OH, MR. SMITH, YOU, I KNOW THAT YOUR CARPORT'S NOT PERMITTED.
YOU GOTTA DO THIS, THAT, AND THE OTHER.
BUT ON THIS ONE, AT SYLVAN AND WOODLAND, THEY'RE STORING THEIR TRASH CANS, AND THERE'S SOME OTHER STUFF BACK THERE THAT I CAN'T SEE.
UM, AND I, I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE THAT TO SAY WORKING VEHICLES
OH, THAT'S A BRIGHT, I KEEP GOING, LOOKING OVER THERE.
UM, YEAH, I MEAN, YOU'RE, YOU CAN'T STORE NON-WORKING VEHICLES.
CAN'T, I MEAN, THEY CAN'T BE UNDER A CARPORT EITHER.
WE, THEY, IF IT IS TRULY TO, I'M, I'M OKAY WITH HAVING METAL CARPORTS AS LONG AS THEY'RE FOLLOWING A DESIGN STANDARD.
SO THAT, AND LET ME MAKE THIS COMMENT, RIGHT.
UH, THE, THE ORDINANCE THAT I READ AT THE VERY BEGINNING DOES NOT HAVE DESIGN STANDARD, SO EXACTLY.
SO YOU WOULD LIKE US TO DEVELOP DESIGN STANDARD.
DO YOU HAVE A, AN EXAMPLE OF A PORTICO SHARE? AND I THINK THAT MOST OF THE TIME I HEAR THAT AS PORTICO IS THAT, WELL, I WOULD'VE THOUGHT THAT THE HOME, AND I HATE TO DON'T GET UPSET WHEN IT SAYS, BUT 34 0 1 REACHED OUT, I, I WOULD'VE THOUGHT THAT THEY WOULD'VE HAD A PORTICO.
BUT PORTICOS ARE USUALLY ON HOMES THAT SIZE NOT OKAY.
SO MAYBE IN HOMES IN YOUR AREA THAT PORTICOS ARE THERE OR SOMETHING, BUT YEAH, YOU'LL FIND THEM IN HOMES OF THAT SIZE.
AND I DON'T KNOW THE CITY WELL ENOUGH TO KNOW WE, WE HAVE 'EM, HOMES OF THAT SIZE ARE, WE HAVE 'EM IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD IN ONE SHARES, IN, IN MY, IN MY SUBDIVISION.
I WAS JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE.
I'M GONNA LOOK, UM, IT'S BASICALLY WHEN YOU GOT LIKE A PART HOTEL, WHEN YOU GO TO A HOTEL AND YOU DRIVE UNDER THAT YEAH.
THAT COVERED PARKING ALLOWS YOU TO GET OUT.
IT'S, YEAH, IT'S NICE, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S DESIGNED WITH THE HOME.
I THINK THAT'S THE KEY TO ALL OF THIS IS DESIGNED WITH THE HOME AND JUST LIKE WE SPOKE WITH EARLIER, UM, FOR THE, WHERE THE HARDEST, SO THE, IF THE INTENT IS TO MAKE THINGS LOOK NICER, TYPICALLY THAT'S GOING TO BE UNIFYING IT WITH THE DESIGN STANDARDS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AROUND IT.
AND, AND FOR ME ESPECIALLY, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT MY INTENT TO HAVE YOU GUYS GO OUT AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHO'S PERMITTED, WHO'S NOT.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT THE INTENT AT ALL.
BUT WE SHOULD STILL BE ABLE TO USE IT AS A TOOL IF SOMEONE IS ACTING BADLY.
AND I, WE HAVE A MEETING IN NOVEMBER, MAYBE? I THINK SO.
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NOVEMBER WORK FOR THAT UPDATE, OR DO YOU NEED UNTIL DECEMBER FOR THE DESIGN STEAM? OH, DECEMBER WOULD BE GREAT.I MEAN, OUR CHAIR, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE, SO WE'LL SEE YOU IN JANUARY.
ALRIGHT, ITEM 3D, EVALUATE DESIGN, ELEMENTS OF ANTENNAS.
I'M SEAN WEINSTEIN WITH BUILDING INSPECTIONS.
ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE DESIGN ELEMENTS OF ANTENNAS.
THIS SPECIFICALLY, I THINK HAD MORE TO DO WITH CELL TOWERS AND THE ARRAYS POPPING UP ALL OVER THE PLACE.
UH, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE CAMOUFLAGE, CONROE, MONO PINES, UH, THE LEGAL PARAMETERS OF WHAT WE CAN AND CANNOT REGULATE, UH, SOME OF THE COSTS INVOLVED.
AND THEN WE'LL ALSO LOOK AT STEAL ANTENNAS AND SOME OF THE OTHER OPTIONS AND THE IMPACT ON THE VALVE.
SO THESE ARE THE MONO PINES IN CONROE.
UH, IT WAS BROUGHT UP AT THE LAST MEETING, BUT THE QUESTION WAS ASKED, DO THE MONO POLES, THE MONO PINES HAVE VERTICAL ARRAYS.
AND YOU CAN SEE THIS IS ANOTHER PICTURE.
UH, IT'S THE RIGHT SIDE THERE, BUT, BUT ONE, IT KIND OF STANDS OUT.
UH, WELL, THESE ARE THE TUCSON, ARIZONA, WHEN A DIFFERENT ROUTE, MONO PINES WOULD LOOK STRANGE.
I THINK WE SHOULD DO ALL OF THEM.
HE ASKED FOR PECAN TREES, BUT I COULDN'T EVEN SPELL PECAN.
SO
UH, CONROE, I'VE, I'VE GOT SOME INFORMATION HERE FOR US FROM A 2024 ARTICLE IN THE COURIER OF MONTGOMERY COUNTY.
UH, THE FIRST TOWER WAS INSTALLED IN 2016.
UH, THE COST AT THE TIME WAS $38,000.
IT'S SURPRISINGLY DIFFICULT TO GET A QUOTE ON A MONO PINE IF YOU'RE NOT WITH T-MOBILE OR VERIZON, AND DON'T HAVE A, A LOCATION IN MIND.
BUT EVERYTHING I FOUND SEEMS TO INDICATE THEY'RE ABOUT THREE TIMES THAT NOW.
SO THEY HAVE GONE UP QUITE A BIT IN THE LAST NINE YEARS.
CONROE ACTUALLY HAS THREE OF THEM IN TOTAL.
THEY DON'T HAVE ANY PLANS TO ADD TO THE THREE THAT THEY HAVE.
THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T ALLOW US, I'LL, WE'LL GO THROUGH THEIR ORDINANCE IN A LITTLE BIT HERE, BUT THEY DON'T ALLOW ANTENNAS IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
AND THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS GROWING.
SO THEY'RE PUSHED OUT OF THEIR, WHERE THEY'RE ALLOWED, UH, EACH OF THEIR MONO PINES ALLOWS FOR THREE ANTENNAS AND THEIR TOWERS ARE ALL PRIVATELY OWNED.
AND SO THE PRIVATE COMPANIES BUILT THEM, PAID FOR THEM AND MAINTAINED.
IT TURNS OUT THEY NEED A LOT OF MAINTENANCE FOR PAINTING REPLACING BARK, WHICH SEEMS STRANGE.
AND THEN ALSO REPLACING, UH, REATION REPLACING THE BRANCH.
AND SO THE QUESTION IS, CAN WE REGULATE THEM? AND THE ANSWER IS YES.
UH, CLEARLY CONROE DOES REGULATE THEM BY ORDINANCE.
UH, THE REQUIREMENTS ARE, UH, THEY NEED TO BE CONSISTENT ACROSS ALL PROVIDERS.
AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS.
IT COULD BE BASED ON ZONING DISTRICTS LIKE OUR, OUR CURRENT ANTENNA ORDINANCE IS, AND THEY SHOULDN'T BE.
OUR ORDINANCE WOULDN'T BE, UH, SHOULDN'T BE COST PROHIBITED.
CURRENT ORDINANCE WOULD HAVE TO BE REVISED.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE SOME OF THE CONFUSION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS LEGAL TO HAVE ANY STANDARDS AND TO REGULATE THEM.
I THINK IT CAME UP DURING A COUNCIL MEETING OR LOOKING AT AN SUP, THE CONFUSION THERE WASN'T THAT WE CAN'T REGULATE THEM.
WE JUST CAN'T REALLY IMPLY THAT WE HAVE PREFERENCES FOR CERTAIN STANDARDS OR THAT WE WOULD LIKE THEM TO LOOK AT CERTAIN WAY DURING AN SUP APPROVAL IF THAT'S NOT CURRENTLY IN THE ORDINANCE.
SO WE JUST HAVE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF STANDARDS OF ADDRESSING OUR PREFERENCES.
IN THE CONROE ORDINANCE, UH, THE TOWERS ARE PROHIBITED IN RESIDENTIAL, ALL RESIDENTIAL AREAS OR WITHIN A QUARTER MILE.
THEIR DOWNTOWN DISTRICT, UH, THEY DEFINE CAMOUFLAGE TOWERS AS TOWERS THAT BLEND INTO SURROUNDING ENVIRONMENT.
EXAMPLES ARE TOWERS THAT ARE ARCHITECTURALLY SCREENED, ROOF MOUNTED, BUILDING MOUNTED AND PAINTED TO BE ARCHITECTURALLY SAME AS THE BUILDING.
MANMADE TREES LIKE THE MONO PINES AND BLOCK TOWERS, BELL TOWERS.
UH, THEY DO REQUIRE THAT ALL TOWERS INSIDE OF THEIR LOOP 3 36 BE CAMOUFLAGED AS WELL AS THOSE IN THEIR SCENIC
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CORRIDOR.AND WHERE CAMOUFLAGE TOWERS ARE REQUIRED, IF THE TOWERS LESS THAN A HUNDRED FEET IN HEIGHT, A MONOPINE MAY BE USED.
ALL OTHER FORMS ARE CAMOUFLAGE, WHICH INCLUDES MONOPINE OVER A HUNDRED FEET REQUIRE OF THEIR COUNCILS ARE.
WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE CORPUS CHRISTI ORDINANCE.
THEY'RE, THEY, THEY HAVE MONOPOLE TOWERS UP TO 85 FEET.
AND THEY'RE ALLOWED IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS WITH SOMETHING THEY CALL A SPECIAL PERMIT, WHICH LOOKS TO BE A TYPE OF PERMIT THAT REGULATES HOW, HOW CONSTRUCTION WILL AFFECT ADJACENT DISTRICTS.
SO LIKE A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
NEXT, THEIR ALTERNATIVE MOUNTING STRUCTURES ARE ALLOWED UP TO A HUNDRED FEET IN HEIGHT AND THERE'S NO SPECIAL PERMIT REQUIRED IF IT'S ATTACHED TO A LIGHTING STRUCTURE LIKE A, IN A RECREATION AREA.
SEE THESE BIG, HUGE, TALL LIGHTS WITH THE, THE SPECIAL PERMIT IS REQUIRED IF IT'S NOT OR IF IT'S OVER A HUNDRED FEET.
AND ALL THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE MOUNTING STRUCTURES ARE ALLOWED IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS AS LONG AS THERE ARE SIMILAR COLOR SCALE AND CHARACTER TO A GYM.
ALL ANTENNAS ANTENNA ARE GENERALLY ALLOWED EITHER BY RIGHT OR WITH A SPECIAL PERMIT IN NON-RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.
AND THEN THEY HAVE A, THEY'RE LUCKY ENOUGH TO HAVE A HISTORIC ISLAND OVERLAY DISTRICT AND THEY DON'T ALLOW ANY SELF-SUPPORTING MONOPOLE TOWERS.
KIND OF WHY WE INCLUDED CORPUS CHRISTI.
'CAUSE IT IS SIMILAR TO THE GARLAND ORDINANCE, WHICH DOES, UH, REALLY ENCOURAGE STEALTH TOWERS.
SO WE ADOPTED OUR MOST RECENT ANTENNA ORDINANCE IN MARCH OF 2025.
AND IT IS DESIGNED TO ENCOURAGE STEALTH TOWERS.
UH, ONE EXAMPLE IS THAT SETBACKS FROM RESIDENTIAL ZONED PROPERTIES DO NOT APPLY TO ANTENNAS IF THEY'RE PLACED FULLY INSIDE OF A BUILDING OR MOUNTED UPON A BUILDING AND MAY BE STEALTH ANTENNA.
WE ALSO REQUIRE COLOCATION OF ANTENNAS TO REDUCE THE NUMBER ACROSS THE CITY UNLESS THEY'RE DESIGNED TO BE A STEALTH ANTENNA THAT WE DON'T REQUIRE.
THE CO-LOCATION, THE WAY WE HAVE IT SET UP, UH, DOES ALLOW FOR EXPANSION OF CURRENT ANTENNAS, WHICH IS PROBABLY GONNA BE HELPFUL WITH ALL THE SIX G SERVICES COMING ONLINE IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
AND IN ALL OF OURS REQUIRE SPECIFIC USED PROVISION.
REGARDLESS OF THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, ANTENNAS CAN BE ATTACHED TO A UTILITY STRUCTURE LIKE AN ELECTRIC TRANSMISSION TOWER OR WATER STORAGE TANK IF IT'S OVER 50 FEET HIGH AND THE ANTENNA ITSELF DOESN'T EXTEND ANOTHER 10 FEET ABOVE THAT STRUCTURE.
IT CAN BE A STEALTH DESIGN IF IT'S PLACED INSIDE THE BUILDING OR MOUNTED TO THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING IF IT'S PAINTED OR DISGUISED TO INTEGRATE INTO THE DESIGN.
BUT BASICALLY YOU CAN'T IDENTIFY IT AS IT'S IN NON-RESIDENTIAL AND MIXED USE ZONING DISTRICTS.
THE SUPPORT STRUCTURES CAN'T EXCEED 85 FEET UNLESS THAT'S EXPRESSED AS THE CONDITION OF THE SUP AND THE ANTENNA IS MAYBE ATTACHED TO A UTILITY STRUCTURE IF THE STRUCTURE IS MORE THAN 50 FEET HIGH.
AND THE N ANTENNAS MAY BE STEALTH DESIGNED INSIDE OF A BUILDING, UH, JUST LIKE WE'RE A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, EXCEPT THEY AL WE ALSO ALLOW LIGHT STANDARDS AND FLAG POLES.
AGAIN, WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE THEM EASILY RECOGNIZABLE AS A N ANTENNA.
AND THEN SOMETHING FOR CONSIDERATION IS THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS IN THIS FIELD LEARN A LOT MORE ABOUT ANTENNA THAN I HAD EVER
BUT, UH, SIX G IS JUST RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER.
THEY'RE ANTICIPATING IT'S FULL ROLLOUT TO BEGIN IN EARLY 2030.
THAT MIGHT BE A CONSIDERATION FOR ANY CITIES THAT ARE CONSIDERING INVESTING IN ANTENNA.
'CAUSE THE CURRENT INVESTMENTS WOULD BE WITH, WITH CURRENT TECHNOLOGY WITH 4G AND MOSTLY 5G.
AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY A CONSIDERATION FOR THE PRIVATE COMPANIES TOO.
I WENT AND LOOKED AT OUR, OUR RECENT PERMITS.
WE'VE ONLY HAD, I THINK IT WAS FIVE PERMITS THIS YEAR.
AND ONE OF THOSE WAS TO DEMOLISH AN OLD ANTENNA.
THREE OF THE OTHERS WERE TO MAKE, DO MAINTENANCE WORK OR ADD ARRAYS TO EXISTING ANTENNA WEREN'T, THERE WASN'T REALLY MUCH IN THE WAY OF NEW ANTENNA.
UH, THE SIX G ANTENNAS ARE EXPECTED TO BE MUCH SMALLER, MORE EASILY INTEGRATABLE INTO BUILDINGS OR EVEN FOUND ONE REPORT THAT IT MIGHT BE THEY MIGHT BE BUILT INTO MOBILE, INTO VEHICLES.
APPARENTLY THE NEW ARRAYS WILL BE, UH, MUCH SMALLER, EASILY HIDEABLE AND SPREAD OUT OVER A WIDER ARRAY OF BUILDING.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE NOT GONNA NEED
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THE HEIGHT.SO ALL THAT TO SAY WE MIGHT WANT TO INTRODUCE, MIGHT NOT WANT TO INTRODUCE BARRIERS TO DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD DISCOURAGE GARLAND BEING FIRST IN LINE TO GET SOME OF THE NEW SIX G ANTENNAS FOR, UH, ENFORCING REGULATIONS THAT ARE BASED ON OUR CURRENT STANDARDS.
THAT MIGHT TRANSLATE WELL INTO THE SIX ED QUESTIONS.
AND UH, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE HERE REMEMBERS, BUT WE ACTUALLY, IT'S KIND OF FUNNY YOU TALK ABOUT THE SIX G COMING UP.
WE DID THIS A FEW YEARS AGO WHEN THE 5G WAS STARTING TO COME OUT.
AND THAT LAST LINE YOU SAID WAS SOMETHING THAT I REALLY, REALLY WANTED US TO FOCUS ON WAS NOT PUTTING UP BARRIERS THAT ARE GOING TO RESTRICT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
SO DEFINITELY NEED TO KEEP THAT IN MIND.
AND LIKE I SAID, WHEN WE WENT REVIEWED THIS PROBABLY FOUR YEARS AGO, WE WERE REALLY LOOKING AT THAT TOO AND NOT, NOT PUTTING UP BARRIERS, BUT THAT'S ALL I GOT.
JUST, WE GOTTA THINK ABOUT THE FUTURE 'CAUSE THE TECHNOLOGY CHANGES FASTER THAN WE CAN VOTE.
ONE STORY THAT SAID THE INTENT WILL BE THE SIZE OF A CELL PHONE, SO IT'LL BE MUCH EASIER TO HIDE ON A, A BUILDING AND NO ONE WILL KNOW.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE 85 FEET, SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE LITTLE MINI PINE TREES, RIGHT?
UM, THAT'S, AND THAT'S WHERE I, YOU COME FROM A, YOU KNOW, JOB TRANSFER FROM BROUGHT ME HERE FROM CALIFORNIA 15 YEARS AGO, BUT THERE, THERE ARE NO PINE TREES THERE IN LOS ANGELES.
THEY'RE ALL PALMS. AND SO THEY LOOKED VERY MUCH LIKE THAT.
IT'S GOT THE ARRAY STICKING OUT, BUT THEN THE BIG FAN PALMS DO A MUCH BETTER JOB OF HIDING THOSE.
AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M USED TO.
BUT YOUR, YOUR POINT ABOUT FUTURE TECHNOLOGY IS GONNA MAKE THIS A MOOT POINT IF WE'RE NOT GONNA NEED TO HIDE THESE 85 FOOT POLES WITH THE, WE APPROVE THAT ONE.
UM, AND WHEN I ASKED ABOUT IT, BRIAN KIND OF SHUT THAT DOWN BECAUSE OUR ORDINANCE DIDN'T ALLOW US TO ASK FOR THAT AT THE TIME.
BUT NOW THAT I, NOW THAT I HEAR WELL IT'S, WE'RE NOT GONNA NEED TO, TO HIDE THESE GIANT ANTENNAS.
UH, THOSE ARE GONNA BE, WHAT DO YOU THINK WOULD HAPPEN TO THE, TO THE 85 FOOT ANTENNAS WE HAVE NOW WHEN SIX G COMES? WOULD THOSE STILL GO ON FOR A WHILE OR? I THINK THERE'LL BE SOME OVERLAP WHEN 4G CAME OUT OR WHEN 5G CAME OUT RATHER 4G STUCK AROUND FOR QUITE SOME TIME, BUT UH, THEY'LL CERTAINLY BE PHASE OUT SIX G BECOMES MORE WIDE RAIL.
NO, I WOULD THINK THAT WE WOULDN'T AS THE CITY WANT TO BE AT THE TAIL END OF THAT SO THAT WE'RE STUCK WITH 5G AND STILL REQUIRING MAINTENANCE OF ALL OF THESE 5G ANTENNA WHEN ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES HAVE SIX G 'CAUSE THEY WEREN'T OVERLY PROHIBITIVE.
AND SO YOU THINK THAT A CHANGE TO THE ORDINANCE WOULD, UH, PUT US TO THE END OF THE LINE WHEN IT COMES TO SIX G? I THINK WITH THE, I THINK WITH THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE IN MARCH OF THIS YEAR, UH, I THINK WE DID A SUFFICIENT JOB OF MAKING OUR STANDARDS HIGH ENOUGH THAT THE ANTENNA THAT ARE MAYBE BUILT OR THAT WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPROPRIATE DISTRICTS AND NOT SO OVERLY INTRUSIVE TO THE STARING AT THESE HUGE MONSTROSITIES ALL OVER TOWN.
AND THEN ALSO ENCOURAGING THE STEALTH ANTENNA, I THINK WILL GO A LONG WAY TOWARD GETTING US 10 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD WHERE EVERYTHING, YEAH.
YEAH, THAT, THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO ME THAT WE, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA BECOME A MOOT POINT.
WE COULD DO SOMETHING NOW, BUT WE'D HAVE TO UNDO IT IN FIVE YEARS OR SO IF WE WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANTED TO ENCOURAGE THE SIX G.
SO IT KIND OF DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME TO DO SOMETHING NOW THAT WE WOULD WANT TO UNDO, UM, YOU KNOW, BEFORE WE'RE DONE HERE.
SO, UM, I DO APPRECIATE ALL THE RESEARCH.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S, IT'S, THAT'S BEEN A GOOD, GOOD EXERCISE TO KIND OF SEE THAT BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE BOWLS, THEY, THEY LOOK PRETTY AWFUL, YOU KNOW, BUT, UM, MAKING, MAKING THAT CHANGE NOW TOO, THAT WOULD LIMIT US IN THE FUTURE.
UH, JUST, I I NOW THAT UPON, NOW THAT I HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION OR AT LEAST AS MUCH AS I CAN GET, THAT CERTAINLY CHANGES MY MIND ABOUT WANTING TO REGULATE THESE ANYMORE.
THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
WHAT IF, UM, IF AN ANTENNA IS UPGRADED TO SIX G, WHAT DO THEY, WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR REMOVING THE 5G UH, COMPONENTS? I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
I, I THINK ONCE IT BECOMES OBSOLETE,
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I THINK THAT THE, UH, IT WOULD BE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE OWNER OF THE TOWER TO GET RID OF THE OLD 5G.'CAUSE IT DOESN'T SERVE A PURPOSE AND IT'S JUST THERE REQUIRING MAINTENANCE.
SO I WOULD THINK THAT MARKET WOULD, WOULD, UH, DICTATE THAT THEY WOULD CHANGE MORE SIX G THAN 5G.
SO THEY WOULD WANT TO REMOVE THE 5G.
BUT IF SAY THEY, I MEAN IF THE SIX G'S ARE SMALL ENOUGH THAT THEY CAN PUT THEM SOMEWHERE ELSE, OR YOU MEAN JUST LEAVING THE ENTIRE TOWER? UHHUH,
SO WE WON'T HAVE A BUNCH OF NON-USED ANTENNAS TOWERING OVER US.
BUT I THINK THAT WITH LAND AS EXPENSIVE AS IT IS, THEY WOULDN'T WANT TO USE IT FOR AN HOUR TOO LONG.
AND IF THEY DO, THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO.
BECAUSE I KNOW A LOT OF THEM HAVE LIKE 90 YEAR LEASES AND LEASES.
I MEAN, THEY'RE, IF IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'VE ALREADY LEASED THE LAND AND THEY'RE IN A LEASE CON IN A CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENT AND THEY HAVE TO KEEP IT THERE, WHY WOULD THEY TAKE IT DOWN IS MY POINT.
HOPEFULLY IT WOULD BENEFIT THEM TO MOVE THE NEWER TECHNOLOGY AND USE THAT LAND FOR SOMETHING THEY COULD MAKE.
WELL WE THINK THAT ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS LIKE CARPORTS, CARPORT,
SO I DON'T KNOW IF, WOULD YOU RECOMMEND HAVING SOMETHING ADDED TO OUR CURRENT, CURRENT ORDINANCE THAT REQUIRES THE, UM, THE UNUSED PORTIONS OF THE ANTENNA TO BE REMOVED IF THERE'S WORK BEING DONE TO THEM? THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO LOOK AT.
CERTAINLY ONCE THIS ROLLS OUT AND ENSURE THAT WE GET, GET TO SIX G BEFORE WE START GETTING OKAY.
AND YOU THINK ABOUT FIVE YEARS? THEY SAID EARLY 2030 FROM EVERYTHING I SAW.
WELL, FOUR AND A HALF, FOUR AND A HALF YEARS.
AND WE'LL HAVE A BETTER FEEL FOR HOW MANY ABANDONED AND HAVE, WELL, I THINK MY POINT IS TO GET THERE BEFORE WE HAVE THEM AND NOT A REACTIONARY TYPE THING.
SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE FURTHER RECOMMENDATIONS, I WELCOME YOU TO COME BACK TO COMMITTEE, OTHERWISE, I, I THINK THAT WE'RE READY TO REPORT TO COUNSEL.
SO THAT ONE THAT WE JUST APPROVED A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, I MEAN, HE'S, HE'S BUILDING ONE THERE AT BRAND AND NAMAN SCHOOL.
BUT IT'S, IT'S GONNA HAVE A PRETTY SHORT LIFE, RELATIVELY SPEAKING, UM, BECAUSE WE DID APPROVE THAT ONE IF I, IF I MY RECOLLECTION'S CORRECT, RIGHT? MM-HMM
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S ALMOST NOT WORTH APPROVING ANY MORE ANTENNAS UNTIL SIX G COMES OUT.
OH, I KNOW THAT THEY'RE MAKING MONEY AT IT.
THEY NEED TO PUT ONE NEAR MY HOUSE.
AND THAT'S THE KIND OF THE BALANCING LINE IS YOU DON'T WANT TWO THIRDS OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS OUTSIDE OF A CELL AREA.
ALRIGHTY, ITEM THREE E REVIEW, SB EIGHT 40 PROPOSED AMENDMENTS.
UM, THIS WILL BE A QUICK UPDATE FROM, UM, THE LAST PRESENTATION, UH, THAT WE HAD MADE LAST MONTH.
YOU HAVE A BATTERY? OH, PLUGGED IN, WAS IT? HMM.
YEAH, I CAN TALK OFF OF, UH, I THINK YOU CAN ACTUALLY, YOU JUST ACTUALLY PLUG THIS.
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THIS ONE.UM, SO EARLIER THIS MORNING WE HAD SENT OUT, UM, SOME ADDITIONAL STANDARDS AND, UM, IT INCLUDED SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE DISCUSSED DURING THE LAST, UH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES COMMITTEE MEETING.
UM, SO I'M NOT GONNA GO OVER, I HAVE THE FULL PRESENTATION, BUT I'M NOT GONNA GO OVER WHAT WE HAD ALREADY DISCUSSED LAST TIME.
I'M ONLY GONNA FOCUS ON THE THINGS THAT, UM, WERE BROUGHT UP AS NEW IDEAS AND HOW WE HAVE TEMPTED TO INCORPORATE.
SO A BIG DISCUSSION WAS ON AMENITIES.
SO WE HAVE UPDATED THE AMENITIES LIST.
UH, THERE WAS A DESIRE TO INCLUDE CLUBHOUSE, THERE WAS A DESIRE TO INCLUDE DOG PARK.
UM, THERE WAS AN, UH, IDEA ABOUT INCORPORATING POINT SYSTEM FOR AMENITIES.
SO, UH, DEPENDING ON HOW IMPACTFUL AN AMENITY COULD BE, AND IT'S, IT'S NOT FULLY ARBITRARY.
WE TRY TO KIND OF THINK, UM, HOW IT CAN RELATE TO THE SIZE OF THE DEVELOPMENT, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WE HAVE, UM, ASSIGNED DIFFERENT POINTS, UH, FOR ALL THESE DIFFERENT TYPES OF AMENITIES.
AND THEN, UH, WE WERE HAVING, UH, WE, WE DID HAVE A LIST THAT WE'RE ALREADY KIND OF DOING AN AMENITIES REQUIRED BY THE SIZE OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
BUT NOW THAT WE HAVE THE POINT SYSTEM AND WE HAD, WE HAVE A VERY ROBUST, UH, LIST OF AMENITIES, WE WENT AHEAD AND KIND OF DIVIDED THE SIZE OF THE DEVELOPMENT INTO FURTHER BLOCKS.
SO NOW WE HAVE ONE THAT IS FROM, UM, ZERO TO 20 BECAUSE THERE WOULD BE, UH, SOME SITES THAT WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND WE DON'T REALLY THINK MEETING IS WOMEN POOL FOR 20 UNITS IS IMPORTANT.
SO NOW THAT WE HAVE THE POINT SYSTEM, THEY CAN PICK A DOCK PARK, THEY CAN PICK A SHARED GRILL OR PICNIC AREA, AND BAM, THEY GET THEIR 10 POINTS.
UH, FOR 21 TO 75, UH, WE'RE REQUIRING AT LEAST 20 POINTS THEY CAN DO.
THEY CAN PICK A CLUBHOUSE THAT IS 20 POINTS, OR THEY CAN DO A COMBINATION OF A DOCK PARK AND A MULTIPURPOSE GYMNASIUM.
WHAT WHATEVER WORKS FOR THAT PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT, THEY HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY BUILT IN THERE.
UH, WE ALSO, AND THEN WE HAVE 76 TO 200, UM, 200 TO 201 TO 500 AND ABOVE 570 POINTS BECAUSE ABOVE 500, IT'S TRULY A BIG, BIG DEVELOPMENT WHERE WE DO THINK THEY NEED A, A MULTITUDE OF, UH, AMENITIES TO JUSTIFY THAT DEVELOPMENT AND, AND PROVIDE THE AMENITY TO THE, TO THE RESIDENTS.
SO, UH, THAT'S ON THE, UH, POINTS SYSTEM AND HOW WE HAVE BROKEN THEM FURTHER INTO DEVELOPMENT SIZE.
THERE WAS ANOTHER COMMENT MADE REGARDING THE SIZE.
UM, I, I BELIEVE, UM, UH, THE COMMENT WAS, WELL, WE DON'T, WE DON'T JUST WANT TO SAY, WELL, A SWIMMING POOL IS AN AMENITY.
WE ALSO WANNA SPECIFY HOW BIG IT SHOULD BE.
SO CURRENTLY WE ALREADY HAVE THAT IN OUR ORDINANCE IN SECTION 2.39.
I, UM, AND THAT ONE'S, UM, JUST SIMPLY AND OH, I, I JUST HAVE MY COMPUTER, SO I'LL SHOW IT HERE.
SO FOR A CLUBHOUSE, IT'S FOR 200 UNITS OR LESS, IT HAS TO BE A 2,500 SQUARE FOOT, UH, CLUBHOUSE FOR 201 TO THREE HUNDRED AND FIFTY, THIRTY FIVE HUNDRED SQUARE FOOT.
SIMILAR THINGS FOR SWIMMING POOL, IT'S 800 SQUARE FOOT OF SURFACE WATER, IF IT'S, UM, 250, I THINK.
AND ABOVE THAT IT HAS TO BE TWO SWIM SWIMMING POOLS.
I DO THINK AS WE INCORPORATE THIS, UM, NEW AMENITIES PROVISION FOR MULTIFAMILY, I DO THINK IT WE WILL NEED TO MODIFY 2.39 I TO MATCH WITH THE SIZES AND THE, UM, CATEGORIES THAT WE ARE PROVIDE PROVIDING HERE SO THAT WE CAN WORK ON.
BUT WE ALREADY HAVE A FRAMEWORK FOR SWIMMING POOL AND CLUBHOUSE.
AND I THINK THOSE ARE THE TWO ONES THAT ARE IMPORTANT FOR, UH, US TO DEFINE A SIZE.
THE OTHER ONES, I THINK WE CAN KEEP IT A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBLE, UH, BUT I'M, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO HEAR MORE ON THAT.
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ANOTHER DESIRE WAS TO, UM, INCORPORATE SOME FLEXIBILITY WHEN IT COMES TO BUILDING OUR ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN.AS Y'ALL SAW, WE HAVE, I WOULDN'T SAY IT'S HEFTY, BUT WE WERE TRYING TO GET MORE, UH, ENCOURAGE MORE URBAN ARCHITECTURE AND BUILDING STANDARDS IN THE, UM, IN THE MULTIFAMILY STANDARD SECTION.
SO WITH THAT, UH, THOUGHT WE HAVE INCLUDED, WE HAVE INCLUDED SOME OTHER LITTLE ADDITIONS.
WE HAVE INCLUDED A, A SECTION FOR ENTRYWAYS.
WE DON'T WANT, WE WANT FOR EVERY 75 FEET OF PRIMARY STREET FACING FACADES.
WE WANT AN ENTRYWAY THERE JUST TO HAVE THAT INTERACTIVE URBAN, UM, STYLE, UH, IN THE DEVELOPMENT.
BUT WE ALSO HAVE BUILT A SECTION THAT KIND OF TALKS ABOUT IF YOU'RE USING, UM, ENVIRONMENTALLY SUSTAINABLE BUILDING MATERIALS OR CONSTRUCTION TECHNIQUES, UH, THEN YOU CAN GET SOME WAIVERS THROUGH THE ALTERNATIVE COMPLIANCE PROCESS FROM THOSE BUILDING STANDARDS.
IF YOU'RE HAVING AT LEAST 35% GLAZING ON THE PRIMARY STREET FACING FACADE, YOU CAN GET SOME, UH, FLEXIBILITY IN TERMS OF THE OTHER DESIGN STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE.
UM, SECTION C IS KIND OF VAGUE, BUT PURPOSEFULLY.
SO BECAUSE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT UNIQUE FEATURES, IT'S HARD TO CODIFY WHAT THE UNIQUE THING WOULD BE.
SO AGAIN, THIS SECTION WILL HAVE TO HAVE A LOT OF KIND OF REVIEW TO MAKE SURE IT IS, UH, MEETING THE INTENT OF THE STANDARDS.
BUT IF THEY'RE INCORPORATING A UNIQUE SIGNAGE OR AN ENTRYWAY FEATURE OR SOME OTHER ELEMENTS IN THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE CONSIDER THAT, HEY, THIS IS DISTINCT, THIS IS GONNA STAND OUT AND MAKE THIS DEVELOPMENT A DISTINCT DEVELOPMENT, THEN THEY CAN ASK FOR WAIVERS ON SOME OF THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN STANDARDS.
AGAIN, I DO THINK THERE'S MORE OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS SECTION TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE FLESHED OUT, BUT I THINK HAVING IT A HAVING IT SOMEWHAT VAGUE IS GOOD FOR NOW UNTIL WE HAVE SOME PROJECTS AND WE KNOW WHAT THE ACTUAL REQUESTS WOULD BE.
UH, BUT WE HAVE THAT MECHANISM BUILT IN, UM, AS PROPOSED.
ANOTHER THING THAT CAME UP WAS SETBACKS WHEN IT'S ADJACENT TO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
SO WHEN WE DID WORK ON THE UR AND UB DISTRICTS, WE HAD THAT BUILT IN THERE.
LIKE, IF YOU'RE WITHIN 100 FEET, THEN YOU HAVE TO MAINTAIN A RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY SLOPE THAT IS A 45 DEGREE ANGLE.
SO WE TALK TO LEGAL, UM, AND THEY DON'T THINK UNDER SB EIGHT 40 WE CAN, UM, WE CAN REGULATE THE SETBACKS, BUT WE DO HAVE OUR PERIMETER SCREENING STANDARDS.
THAT IS WHAT I HAVE ON THE SLIDE, UH, THAT WE ALREADY HAVE.
WE HAVE DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT COULD BE USED.
THE SCREENING WALL, THE EARTH BERMS. UM, I WANTED TO PUT IT OUT THERE BECAUSE THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN STILL MAKE STRONGER IF THERE'S A DESIRE OF THE COMMITTEE IN LIEU OF HAVING FURTHER SETBACK.
BUT WHILE WE WERE THINKING OF IT, AND THIS IS SOMETHING I CAME UP WITH TODAY, SO IT'S PROBABLY NOT IN YOUR, UM, VERSION THAT I SENT OUT.
UM, FOR HEIGHT ABOVE 45 FEET, WE CAN STILL APPLY PROXIMITY SLOPE.
SO WITHIN OUR NEW STANDARDS, WE WERE SAYING MINIMUM 40, MAXIMUM 60.
SO ALL OF THAT 60 FEET DOESN'T HAVE TO BE WITHIN THE REQUIRED SETBACK, CLOSE TO SINGLE FAMILY.
WE CAN STILL APPLY THE RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY SLOPE, BUT WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALLOWING AT LEAST 45 FEET.
AND AFTER THAT WE CAN SAY, HEY, WE, YOU CAN'T BE WITHIN, WITHIN A HUNDRED FEET.
YOU HAVE TO BE, FOR YOU TO BE 60 FEET, YOU HAVE TO BE A HUNDRED FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE OF THE JASON SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO I DO THINK THAT CAN HELP SOME AS WELL TO, UM, ELEVATE, ELEVATE SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE.
UH, BUT THOSE ARE THE, UM, ADDITIONS.
UM, I DO WANNA SAY THAT WE ARE GETTING CALLS, WE ARE GETTING QUERIES, UM, DURING FIT MEETINGS, PEOPLE ARE BRINGING IT UP.
SO I DO THINK THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF SENSE OF URGENCY IN PUTTING THIS TOGETHER BEFORE WE ACTUALLY GET THE, UH, GET ANY PROJECT THAT ARE WANTING TO COME UNDER, UH, THIS BILL.
UM, SO I'M, I'M HAPPY TO WORK ON ANY OTHER IDEAS, ANY OTHER PROPOSALS, ANY OTHER REQUESTS.
BUT IF WE COULD DO A REPORT OUT SOMETIME SOON, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.
YES, I, I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO GET A REPORT OUT SOON.
UH, I'VE GOTTEN CALLS ON THIS AS WELL.
I THINK WE'VE PROBABLY TALKED ABOUT 'EM.
UM, ON THE REALLY LOVE, I FEEL LIKE, I FEEL LIKE YOU, YOU PUT EXACTLY WHAT I HAD IN MIND ON THE POINT SYSTEM.
I MEAN, THIS IS JUST, THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I HAD IN MIND.
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NOT LIKE 10 S PICKLEBALL, BOCCE, ANY OUTDOOR STUFF LIKE THAT ON HERE.SO IS THIS AN ENCOMPASSING LIST OR IS THIS JUST AN EXAMPLE? UM, IF WE PUT IT, UH, THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN TODAY, IT IS, IT DOESN'T MEAN LIKE THEY CAN'T HAVE A PICKLEBALL, BUT TO YOUR POINT, THEY MAY NOT GET THE POINT.
SO THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT TO MAKE THAT WE CAN ADD ANOTHER SAYING ANY OTHER ACCEPTABLE AMENITY AS APPROVED THROUGH AN ALTERNATIVE COMPLIANCE PROCESS OR SOMETHING THAT EXACTLY.
'CAUSE WE CAN'T, YEAH, WE CAN'T IMAGINE ANYTHING, RIGHT? YES.
LIKE WE COULD SAY TENNIS AND PICKLEBALL AND THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW, NEXT YEAR BOCCE BALL BECOMES POPULAR.
YOU KNOW, SO WE, WE, WE CAN'T PREDICT THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
NO, I, I THINK THERE'S A LOT VALUE.
JUST LIKE AN OPEN OPTION KIND OF THING.
UM, YEAH, AND MAN, I GOTTA TELL YOU ON THE SETBACKS, AS RESTRICTIVE AS WE CAN GET
I MEAN, AND AGAIN, IF WE CAN FIND, I MEAN IF YOU CAN FIND ANYTHING THAT COULD, YOU KNOW, GET, GET THROUGH LEGAL AND HAVE IT BE EVEN MORE RESTRICTIVE.
EVEN MORE RESTRICTIVE IS BETTER.
'CAUSE I MEAN, HONESTLY, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE NEIGHBORHOODS, THESE ARE GOING NEXT TO PEOPLE BOUGHT A HOUSE, RIGHT? THEY BOUGHT A HOUSE, THE ZONING NEXT TO THEIR HOUSE WAS IN PLACE WHEN THEY BOUGHT THAT HOUSE, RIGHT? SO THE ZONING NEXT TO THEIR HOUSE WAS REFLECTED IN WHAT THEY PURCHASED IN THEIR HOUSE, AND IT'S REFLECTED IN WHAT THEY PAY IN PROPERTY TAXES ON THEIR HOUSE.
IT'S REFLECTED IN HOW THEY LIVE FOR THE STATE TO COME AND CHANGE THAT ISN'T RIGHT.
AND SO WE NEED TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO PROTECT THOSE PEOPLE.
UM, EVEN THOUGH THE STATE'S TAKEN THEM AWAY.
SO AS RESTRICTIVE AS WE CAN BE, WOULD, WOULD, WOULD BE WHAT I WOULD BE FOR.
YEAH, NO, THAT, AND THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE THAT, UM, THERE, IF YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU BUILT NEXT TO A, YOU BOUGHT NEXT TO A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, BUT NOT KNOWING THAT WHAT WAS COMING WHEN SENATE BILL EIGHT 40 HERE, AND I THINK WE OWE IT TO 'EM SINCE IF THE, SINCE THE STATE HAS KIND OF TAKEN THIS OUT OF OUR, OUR HANDS THEN TO BE AS PROTECTIVE OF AS WE CAN OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY THERE.
I, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ADDITIONAL SETBACK, ESPECIALLY, UH, IF THEY GO TO 60 FEET, SO, YEAH.
UM, AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UH, WALL REQUIREMENT BETWEEN COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL IS STILL MASONRY OR WOOD, CORRECT? CORRECT.
UM, CAN WE REQUIRE A TALLER WALL IF THE BUILDING STRUCTURE, ADJACENT BUILDING STRUCTURES ABOVE A CERTAIN HEIGHT? I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY RESTRICTION ON THAT, WHICH IS TO SAY WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO, BUT AFTER A CERTAIN POINT, TOO TALL OF A WALL MAY SEEM A LITTLE YEAH.
SO MAYBE 10 UP TO 10 FEET COULD BE AN OPTION.
IF IT'S MULTIFAMILY NEXT TO SINGLE FAMILY, MAYBE EIGHT TO 10 RIGHT NOW IT'S SIX TO EIGHT.
I WOULD SAY DEFINITELY EIGHT TO 10.
I CAN, I'LL TRY TO RESEARCH SOME MORE, SOME MORE CITIES AND SEE WHAT THEY'RE DOING, BUT I THINK NOT WOOD.
NO WOOD AND DEFINITELY NO WROUGHT IRON OR, OR FENCE WITH A, WHAT IS IT THAT MATERIAL ON IT? THE CHAIN LINK? NO, IT'S LIKE, I GUESS THEY DO IT ON WROUGHT IRON FENCING OR, AND SOMETIMES ON CHAIN LINK.
BUT IT'S LIKE A, A A, IT'S LIKE CLOTH, BUT IT'S NOT CLOTH.
IT'S LIKE A ALL-WEATHER MATERIAL THAT OH, THAT YOU CAN'T SEE THROUGH, BUT IT, YEAH.
THOSE ARE NOT ALLOWED ANYWAY TODAY.
SO IF SOMEONE'S DOING IT, THEY'RE PROBABLY IN VIOLATION, JUST MAKING SURE.
BUT I, YOU DID MAKE A ONE POINT THAT YOU MADE, LIKE THERE'S ONLY A PORTION OF THIS SECTION, THERE'S ANOTHER SUBSECTION THAT DOES TALK ABOUT ALTERNATIVE AND THAT DOES HAVE THE OPTION FOR THEM TO DO ROT IRON.
I'LL KIND OF MODIFY, TRY TO MODIFY IT TO MATCH WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY AND NOT GIVE THEM THAT OPTION WHEN IT'S NEXT TO THOSE COMPATIBILITY CONCERNS.
MY VOTE, MY VOTE WOULD BE FOR THE WALL HEIGHT TO MATCH THE MULTIFAMILY HEIGHT.
THAT'S AN ENGINEERING FEAT IN AND OF ITSELF.
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WELL, I WOULD SAY THIS, YOU CALL IT MARGARET S LAW.THE UNIQUE THINGS I DID INCLUDE MURALS.
I WAS VERY PLEASED TO SEE THAT.
ALRIGHT, I THINK WE'RE READY TO REPORT THIS OUT TO COUNCIL WITH, UM, ANY, AS MANY OF THOSE CHANGES AS YOU CAN MAKE AND, UH, WHATEVER WE DISCUSSED TODAY, I'LL INCORPORATE IT GREAT.
AND I CAN KEEP IT FOR THE NEXT OH, OKAY.
AS STAFF GETS READY, WE ARE NOW ON ITEM THREE F REVIEW PROCESS FOR, FOR DESIGNATION OF OUTSIDE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TOOLS, FOREIGN TRADE ZONES, PACE PROGRAM, ET CETERA.
SORRY,
I NEVER SEEN THAT ONE RUN OUTTA JUICE, SO I WAS LIKE, WHAT?
UM, KIMBERLY GARO, BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT MANAGER, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
I AM HERE ON BEHALF OF IAGO SCHUSTER, OUR DIRECTOR.
UM, SO I'M GONNA GIVE A VERY BRIEF PRESENTATION AND DO MY BEST JOB TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE, BUT I MAY HAVE TO.
UM, SO I BELIEVE, UM, AT LAST MONTH'S MEETING IN SEPTEMBER, MS UH, SCHUSTER PROVIDED AN UPDATE OF SOME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TOOLS OUR STAFF IS CURRENTLY REVIEWING AND EVALUATING.
UM, THIS IS JUST A BRIEF LIST OF THE FEDERAL AND STATE ECONOMICS.
UM, ONE UPDATE THAT I WANTED TO SHARE IS THAT SPECIFICALLY WHEN IT COMES TO A FEW OF THE FEDERAL PROGRAMS, OUR STAFF HAS MADE SOME CONTACTS AT SOME OF THESE AGENCIES, BUT UNFORTUNATELY WE'VE HAD TO CEASE THOSE COMMUNICATIONS DURING THE GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN.
AND THAT HAS KIND OF STALLED SOME OF THE REVIEW, ESPECIALLY FOR LIKE THE FTZ AND THE ECONOMIC, UM, ADJUSTMENT ASSISTANCE PRO.
UM, WHEN THE SHUTDOWN CEASES AND COMES BACK, WE'LL CONTINUE, UH, REACHING OUT TO OUR CONTACTS AND DOING FURTHER EVALUATE.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE, UH, UM, OBVIOUSLY WHEN IT COMES TO THE STATE PROGRAMS, TEXAS ENTERPRISE ZONE AND THE EASY SKILLS DEVELOPMENT FUND, THOSE ARE STATE PROGRAMS, WE'RE STILL LOOKING INTO THOSE.
A FEW OF SOME ADDITIONAL PROGRAMS WE'RE LOOKING AT IS OBVIOUSLY SMALL BUSINESS, UH, SUPPORT.
UM, WE UNDERSTAND HOW IMPORTANT OUR SMALL BUSINESSES ARE TO THE GARLAND COMMUNITY.
UM, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT, IN PARTICULAR SOME OF THESE PROGRAMS, ESPECIALLY THE LIFT FUND.
WE'VE ACTUALLY REACHED OUT TO COUNTERPARTS IN, UH, SOME OF THE VARIOUS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ORGANIZATION, CORPORATIONS AND SO WHO ACTUALLY HAVE, UH, AN AGREEMENT WITH LIFTFUND.
UM, SO WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM TO GET FEEDBACK AND UNDERSTAND HOW THEY'RE ABOUT PROGRAM.
AND WE'RE ALSO, UM, OBVIOUSLY WITH THESE PROGRAMS, WE'LL CONTINUE TO PARTNER WITH THE CHAMBER, UM, AND FURTHER EVALUATE HOW WE CAN CONNECT WITH THEM AND, UM, DEEPEN OUR NETWORKING OPPORTUNITIES, BUSINESS OUTREACH AND INCORPORATE THEM AS WELL.
UM, THIS IS NOT AN EXHAUSTIVE LIST.
WE DEFINITELY HAVE A FULL MORE ROBUST LIST OF FEDERAL, STATE, AND EVEN SOME LOCAL GRANT PROGRAMS. UM, OBVIOUSLY WE ARE WORKING WITH A NEW COMPANY TO BUILD US A NEW WEBSITE, AND SO WE ENVISION HAVING A FULLER LIST ON OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WEBSITE THAT WILL ACT CLEARINGHOUSE FOR A LOT OF THESE PROGRAMS AND GRANTS.
AND OBVIOUSLY FOR SOME OF THE RESOURCE PARTNERS LIKE WORKFORCE COMMISSION SCORE, WE WILL HAVE LINKS ON THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WEBPAGE
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TO LINK TO THOSE VARIOUS PARTS.AND OF COURSE, UH, WE ARE, UH, WORKING WITH ED SUITE, WHICH IS THE DESIGNER OF OUR WEBSITE.
UM, WE HOPE TO LAUNCH BY THE END OF THE QUESTION.
UH, KIMBERLY, THANK, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
YEAH, AND MY, MY GOAL FOR THIS IS FOR US TO, YOU KNOW, TO CONTINUE TO MAKE GARLAND MORE BUSINESS FRIENDLY, UM, AND, UM, SO, AND UNDERSTAND OF COURSE, SO THIS IS GONNA BE, UH, KEPT IN ECONOMIC ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
AND SO STAFFING WISE, WE HAVE THE CAPACITY TO HELP, UM, TO UNDERSTAND AND HELP PROMOTE THESE PROGRAMS. I BELIEVE SO.
UM, I THINK, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS LIKE, ESPECIALLY FOR LIFT FUND, UM, WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO ARLINGTON FOR INSTANCE.
THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A, UM, A REALLY GOOD PROGRAM THAT THEY ROLLED OUT IN CONNECT LIFT FUND.
UM, AND JUST IN SPEAKING TO THEM, YOU KNOW, WE WERE THINKING LIKE, HEY, DO WE NEED TO HAVE AN ADDITIONAL STAFF IN IF WE'RE LOOKING AT, AND HONESTLY, THEY HAVE ONE PERSON WHO'S A CONTACT AND IT'S PRETTY SEAMLESS.
AND SO I THINK IT HELPS TALKING TO SOME OF THESE OTHER EDCS AND EDS BECAUSE YOU KIND OF THINK GOING INTO IT, WE MAY HAVE TO HIRE, BUT REALLY WITH LIFTFUND, THEY DO A LOT OF THE ADMINISTRATION.
REALLY YOUR JOB IS TO JUST HELP PROMOTE IT AND CONNECT PEOPLE.
SO I THINK FOR PROGRAMS LIKE THAT, WE CAN JUST BE A RESOURCE AND WE CAN JUST, YOU KNOW, SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH THE CHAMBER.
WE CAN SHARE THAT WHEN WE'RE DOING OUR OUTREACH, WE CAN SHARE THAT WITH DOWNTOWN.
SO WE CAN JUST MAKE PEOPLE AWARE AND REALLY WE DON'T NEED TO ADD ADDITIONAL STAFF.
AND I KNOW THAT OUR ED DEPARTMENT DOES A GREAT JOB OF WORKING WITH THE CHAMBER, AND I THINK THAT RELATIONSHIP IS REALLY WHAT'S GOING TO KEEP THIS TOOLBOX, PER SE, UH, MAXIMUM HAVEN'T UTILIZED AS MA AS MUCH AS IT CAN BE.
I APPRECIATE, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS LOOKING INTO THIS AND, AND THIS IS GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT OF COURSE IS GONNA BE AN ONGOING THING.
IT'S GONNA BE ABSOLUTELY, YOU KNOW, A A NEVER ENDING LEARNING PROCESS AND, AND HELPING PEOPLE WITH, WITH THESE PROGRAMS. SO, UH, AWESOME.
APPRECIATE Y'ALL GETTING THE BALL ROLLING ON IT.
AND ALSO, I JUST WANNA MAKE COUNCIL AWARE TOO, YOU KNOW, UM, AS WE HEAR ABOUT ADDITIONAL PROGRAMS, INCENTIVE GRANTS WHEN IT COMES TO OUR WEBSITE, WE'LL CONTINUE ADDING THOSE, REMOVING THOSE THAT ARE NO LONGER FUNDED AND ADDING ADDITIONAL ONES.
AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'LL CONTINUE TO UPDATE.
UM, SO AS AN IT GUY, WHEN I HEAR WEBSITE, MY EARS PERK RIGHT UP.
AND SO, UM, DO YOU KNOW OF OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE WEBSITES SIMILAR TO THE ONE THAT YOU'RE BUILDING THAT WE COULD LOOK AND SEE KINDA WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE? YEAH, UM, LET'S SEE.
ONE OF THE ONES, UM, THAT ARE REACHED AT THE CITY OF CINCINNATI, UM, I WOULD ALSO TAKE A LOOK AT THE ARLINGTON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION.
THOSE ARE THREE THAT DEFINITELY CITY OF CINCINNATI.
UM, THEY HAVE A VERY ROBUST LIST.
UM, AND, UM, IT'S ACTUALLY LIKE A LINK TO A DOCUMENT AND THEY JUST NEED TO UPDATE REALLY, REALLY, REALLY CATEGORIZE BASED ON FEDERAL STABLE.
UM, ANOTHER WEBSITE THAT I WOULD TAKE WAS OUR NEIGHBOR NO DEVELOPMENT WEBSITE.
IT'S PART OF THEIR KIND OF THEIR BRE PROGRAM, WHAT WE'RE IN, JUST TO MAKE IT EASIER.
I MEAN, SOME OF THESE PROGRAMS WILL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF AND WE'LL IMPLEMENT, OBVIOUSLY WORK.
AGAIN, THAT'S WHY I SAID WE ENVISION IT BEING A CLEARING HOUSE, EVEN IF WE'RE NOT.
AND SO THAT WILL EXPLAIN IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR HELP MM-HMM
HERE'S THE, IT'LL STEER 'EM TO THE RIGHT PROGRAM.
THAT'S THE POINT OF THE WEBSITE.
AND TO MAKE 'EM AWARE OF, OF, THERE'S LOTS OF, THERE'S LOTS OF BUCKETS OF MONEY OUT THERE.
AND TO MAKE 'EM AWARE OF ALL OF THOSE, I THINK IS A REALLY A GOOD THING AND A GOOD, UM, OBJECTIVE FOR THIS WEBSITE BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S, THERE'S LOTS OF PROGRAMS OUT THERE, PEOPLE JUST DON'T KNOW.
AND GETTING THE WORD OUT ABOUT
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THAT I THINK REALLY HELPS US AND HELPS MAKE US EVEN MORE BUSINESS FRIENDLY THAN WE ARE.SO I'M LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING A PREVIEW OF THAT WHEN YOU GUYS ARE READY.
IT SOUNDS, IT SOUNDS, IT SOUNDS GREAT.
THAT'S THE KIND OF THING WE NEED TO, TO REALLY GET THE WORD OUT, SO THANK YOU.
UM, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT SCORE.
ARE YOU OFFERING THAT THROUGH THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE OR IS THAT A PROGRAM THAT YOU'RE OFFERING JUST DIRECTLY THROUGH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT? WE'RE ACTUALLY NOT OFFERING THAT PROGRAM, WE'RE JUST LOOKING INTO IT.
YEAH, WE'RE JUST LOOKING INTO IT.
BUT I THINK FROM OUR TALKS, WHAT WE KIND OF ENVISION IS, UM, THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE LIVE MM-HMM
UTILIZING, UH, THE RO LIBRARY.
AND SINCE THEY, THEY HAVE SOME BUSINESS RESOURCES, THEY'RE TALKING AND SOME WORKSHOPS AND WARS, AND WE GOT AN IDEA FROM THE CITY OF
SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE STILL EVALUATING.
WE HAVEN'T SEEN WHO, HOW WOULD THIS WORK AND MM-HMM
WHERE WOULD THIS BE? UM, I, I KNOW THAT ALAN CHAMBER OF COMMERCE OFFERS SCORE.
I WOULD IMAGINE THAT GARLAND DOES TOO.
AND IF NOT, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE PARTNER YOU'LL BE WORKING WITH IN THE CENTRAL LIBRARY ENVIRONMENT BECAUSE THEY DO A LOT OF THAT PROGRAMMING THERE.
SO, UM, RECOMMEND REACHING OUT TO THEM ABOUT SCORE.
IT'S A PRETTY EASY PROGRAM TO GET DEVELOPED AND, UM, AND FREE FOR EVERYONE.
UH, THAT IS OUR LAST AGENDA ITEM, WHICH, UM, WE WILL BE REPORTING OUT TO COUNCIL.
UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE UPDATE AND IF YOU HAVE OTHER THINGS COME UP, UM, PLEASE LET US KNOW.
AND I CALL THIS MEETING ADJOURNED AT SIX FIFTY TWO RIGHT.