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OCTOBER 27TH MEETING OF THE GARLAND PLAN COMMISSION. AS IS OUR CUSTOM, WE START OUR MEETINGS WITH A PRAYER AND A PLEDGE. YOU'RE INVITED TO JOIN US WHETHER YOU DO OR NOT. NO WAY AFFECTS THE DECISIONS OF THIS COMMISSION. ARE YOUR RIGHTS IN FRONT OF THEM? TONIGHT'S PRAYER PLEDGE WILL BE LED BY COMMISSIONER PARIS. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN ROBERTS. LET'S PLEASE BOW OUR HEADS AS WE PREPARE OUR HEARTS AND MINDS TO PRAY. FATHER GOD, WE GIVE YOU ALL HONOR, PRAISE, AND GLORY. AND WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENCE, PEACE, PROVISION, PROTECTION, AND PROMISES. WE PRAY FOR UNITY THROUGHOUT OUR COMMUNITIES, CITY, STATE, COUNTRY IN THIS WORLD. LORD, AT THIS TIME, WE TAKE A MOMENT TO REMEMBER OUR FELLOW PLAN COMMISSIONER, MIKE ROSE. SCRIPTURE READS, BLESSED ARE THOSE WHO MOURN, FOR THEY WILL BE COMFORTED. WE PRAY FOR YOUR STRENGTH, COMFORT, AND PEACE FOR MIKE'S WIFE JOANNE, SON JOHN AND THE ROSE. FAMILY AND FRIENDS. FATHER GOD, THANK YOU IN ADVANCE FOR HEALING THE BROKENHEARTED AND BINDING UP OUR WOUNDS. THANK YOU IN ADVANCE FOR THE HEALING AND FATHER GOD, WE THANK YOU FOR THOSE WHO MOURN AND YOU PROMISE TO COMFORT THEM. AND PLEASE BRING HEALING TO OUR HEARTS WHEN WE GRIEVE. GIVE US HOPE WHEN WE ARE FEELING HOPELESS, STRENGTH WHEN WE ARE OVERWHELMED, AND SHOW US HOW CLOSE YOU ARE IN THE MIDST OF OUR MOURNING. ON TONIGHT AS PLANNED COMMISSIONERS, MAY WE CONTINUE TO HAVE LISTENING EARS AND COMPASSIONATE HEARTS TO DO YOUR WILL THIS EVENING. IN CLOSING, WE GIVE YOU ALL HONOR, PRAISE AND GLORY AND ALL THAT WE DO. I ASK THIS ALL IN THE MIGHTY NAME OF JESUS, I PRAY.
AMEN. PLEASE JOIN ME IN RECITING THE PLEDGE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU FOR THAT PRAYER, COMMISSIONER PATTERSON, WHICH MAKES MY NEXT PART HERE A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT NOW, BECAUSE YOU. I'M
[a. Announcement - Passing of Plan Commissioner Mike Rose - District 7]
GOING TO START OFF THE MEETING REMEMBERING A COMMISSIONER. MANY OF YOU HAVE HEARD WE LOST COMMISSIONER ROSE LAST WEEK, AND WE WANT TO CELEBRATE HIS INCREDIBLE LIFE AND SERVICE TO THE CITY OF GARLAND. LET ME TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT MIKE, THE MAN AND THE CITY INSTITUTION. MIKE WAS TRULY A PEOPLE PERSON AND HAD A TERRIFIC PRESENCE ABOUT HIM.HIS BOOMING VOICE AND UNMISTAKABLE WISCONSIN ACCENT ALWAYS GOT YOUR ATTENTION WHEN HE TALKED. WE'VE HEARD IT HERE, RIGHT? YEAH. THE WAY HE EMPHASIZED SOME WORDS WAS CLASSIC MIKE ROSE AND SOMETHING WE WON'T SOON FORGET. HE TRULY LOVED THE CITY OF GARLAND, AND HIS IMPACT WILL BE FELT FOR YEARS TO COME. MIKE CONTRIBUTED IN TOO MANY WAYS FOR ME TO RECOUNT, SO HERE ARE JUST A FEW. HE CONTRIBUTED PUBLICLY BY SERVING ON THIS PLANNING COMMISSION AT LEAST TWO TIMES. THIS WAS HIS SECOND, POSSIBLY THIRD TIME ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND THIS TIME IT WAS ABOUT SEVEN YEARS. AND THROUGH HIS SERVICE ON THE COMMISSION ALONE, HE HELPED SHAPE GARLAND'S FUTURE. HE ALSO SERVED ON TWO CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEES, AND CHAIRED THE ONE THAT OCCURRED ABOUT 6 OR 7 YEARS AGO, SERVED ON OTHER BOARDS AND COMMITTEES. ON COMMITTEES OVER THE YEARS. HE EVEN RAN FOR CITY COUNCIL ONCE, AND HE LOST BY SEVEN VOTES OR SO. INSTEAD OF DEMANDING A RECOUNT, HE DEMONSTRATED HIS DEDICATION TO THE CITY BY ACCEPTING THE RESULT GRACEFULLY. RATHER THAN DRAG THE CITY THROUGH THE PROCESS OF A RECOUNT. MIKE ALSO HELPED BEHIND THE SCENES SUPPORTING INITIATIVES, SUPPORTING CANDIDATES AND MENTORING CITY LEADERS. THAT INCLUDED BEING A PART OF THE GROUP THAT SUED THE CITY 20 YEARS AGO TO REQUIRE A CITY COUNCIL ELECTION, ONE THAT THE COUNCIL ITSELF HAD CANCELED. I WON'T GO INTO THE DETAILS EXCEPT TO SAY THAT THE STATE COURT RULED AGAINST THE CITY AND FOR THE CITIZENS IN LESS THAN 24 HOURS. THAT IS AMAZING SPEED FOR A STATE COURT AND A TESTAMENT TO MIKE'S AND OTHERS COMMITMENT TO GOOD GOVERNANCE.
SO HIS PRESENCE HAS ALWAYS BEEN FELT. I MENTIONED HE WAS A PEOPLE PERSON. HE WOULD SHARE WITH ANYBODY AND EVERYBODY. YOU COULD FIND HIM AT THE MAIN STREET DELI ON THE SQUARE AT 1130 EVERY WEEKDAY, SITTING AT THE BACK TABLE, EATING LUNCH AND CHATTING WITH PEOPLE STANDING IN LINE. WE WERE ORDERING THEIR LUNCH. HE KNEW EVERYBODY AND THEY KNEW HIM.
MIKE WAS AN ORIGINAL MEMBER OF OUR WEDNESDAY MORNING BREAKFAST GROUP THAT A MUTUAL FRIEND PUT TOGETHER. THE GEYSER GUYS, AS WE'VE BECOME TO BE KNOWN, HAVE MET FOR ABOUT 12 YEARS, WITH MIKE ALWAYS BEING A CENTRAL FIGURE AND HIS SENSE OF HUMOR REALLY SHOWN THERE. HE AND I
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MAY HAVE, FROM TIME TO TIME STIRRED THE POT OF THE. CONVERSATIONS, BUT MY DAD NOW, IF MIKE HAD YOUR PHONE NUMBER, YOU COULD ALWAYS EXPECT A CALL OR TEXT TO SHARE KIND WORD CHECK UP ON YOU IF YOU'RE ILL OR JUST TO CHAT. IN MY CASE, HE WOULD TEXT ME EVERY TUESDAY TO REMIND ME TO SEND OUT THE REMINDER EMAIL FOR OUR WEDNESDAY BREAKFAST. ONE OF OUR BREAKFAST MEMBERS WAS SERIOUSLY ILL RECENTLY AND IN THE HOSPITAL FOR SEVERAL WEEKS.MIKE GOT HIS NUMBER FROM ME AND MIKE CALLED HIS WIFE EACH WEEK TO CHECK UP ON HIS CONDITION.
THAT'S HOW THE REST OF US KEPT INFORMED. BOB, THE ONE THAT WAS SICK, IS BETTER NOW. AND WHEN HE AND I VISITED MIKE JUST 48 HOURS BEFORE HE PASSED, MIKE TOLD BOB THAT HIS CALLS MEANT THE WORLD TO HIM AND HIS WIFE. THAT WAS MIKE. JUST. GETS TO THE GOOD PART. MIKE ALSO HAD THE NUMBERS OF THE MAYORS, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, CITY ATTORNEYS, CITY MANAGERS AND STAFF, AND HE MADE GOOD USE OF THOSE NUMBERS AND CALLED THEM QUITE FREQUENTLY, PROBABLY TO THE POINT THAT THEY WOULD LOOK AT THEIR PHONES AND SAY, OH, IT'S MIKE AGAIN. BUT THEY GO AHEAD AND TAKE HIS CALL. AND EXCUSE ME. HE AND I TALKED OFTEN, AND THAT'S HOW I KEPT UP WITH WITH THE HAPPENINGS IN THE CITY. AND THROUGH HIS FRIENDSHIP, HE MENTORED MAYORS AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. AND IF THEY'RE WATCHING THIS NOW, THEY'RE LIKELY SMILING TO THEMSELVES, GOING, YEAH, I REMEMBER MIKE CALLING ME ALL THE TIME. I'M GOING TO END WITH A FUN LITTLE STORY TO HELP THOSE OF YOU WHO DIDN'T KNOW MIKE, REMEMBER, IF YOU LIKE A GLASS OF WINE OR A COLD BEER OCCASIONALLY, AND IF PURCHASED A BOTTLE OF WINE OR SIX PACK AT A STORE IN THE CITY, KNOW THAT MIKE ROSE WAS ONE OF THE DRIVING FORCES BEHIND THE EFFORT TO GET BEER AND WINE SALES ON THE BALLOT FOR THE CITIZENS TO VOTE FOR. NOW YOU DON'T HAVE TO DRIVE TO DALLAS OR PLANO LIKE WE USED TO. SO THE NEXT TIME YOU RAISE A GLASS OR BOTTLE, RAISE IT HIGH FOR MIKE ROSE, THE MAN WHO HELPED MAKE IT HAPPEN. THE CITY WILL MISS MIKE. HE WAS A CITY INSTITUTION. COMMISSION WILL MISS HIM. SEE WHAT YOU DID. I WAS DOING GOOD, AND I WILL MISS MY FRIEND OF 30 YEARS PLUS. BUT WE'RE ALL BETTER FOR HAVING KNOWN HIM. THANK YOU, MIKE, FOR ALL THE JOY AND THE SERVICE YOU GAVE US. WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO FIVE MINUTE RECESS FOR THE CHAIRMAN OF RECOMPOSE MYSELF. THANK YOU.
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WELCOME BACK TO THE OCTOBER 27TH MEETING. AND THANK YOU FOR BEARING WITH ME. I'M[a. October 13, 2025 Plan Commission Minutes]
FEELING MUCH BETTER. NOW. ON TO AGENDA ITEM TWO. THE PREVIOUS AGENDA ITEM ONE, ITEM TWO A CONSIDER APPROVAL OF THE OCTOBER 13TH, 2025 PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MINUTES? IS THERE A MOTION? OKAY, COMMISSIONER PERISH, YOU CLICKED THE BUTTON. I DID HIT THE BUTTON. BUT COMMISSIONER DALTON DID SPEAK BEFORE I DID.YEAH, BUT YOU GOT THE OFFICIAL BUTTON FIRST. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES AS PRESENTED. AND THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ABEL, BECAUSE HE PUSHED THE SECOND BUTTON. VERY GOOD. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER PEREZ AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ABEL TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AND POP UP ON OUR SCREEN HERE IN A LITTLE BIT. THERE WE GO. AND THAT PASSES
[a. Z 25-34 Osama Dagher (District 3)]
UNANIMOUSLY. ALRIGHTY, ON TO OUR PUBLIC HEARING AGENDA ITEMS. ITEM THREE A ZONING CASE 25 DASH 34. HOLD PUBLIC HEARING AND NSIDER APPLICATIONS OF OSAMA REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A SPECIFIC USE PROVISION FOR AN AUTOMOBILE REPAIR. MINOR USE ON PROPERTY, ZONED COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT, AND A CONCEPT PLAN FOR AUTOMOBILE REPAIR. MINOR USE ON THE SUBJECT SITE.THE SITE IS LOCATED AT 4134 BOBTOWN ROAD. IS THE APPLICANT. OH YEAH. I NEED A PRESENTATION.
WELL, THE THE THE TWO ITEMS ON THE TWO PLANNING CASES ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT WERE BOTH EMMA ARE BOTH EMMA CASES BUT SHE'S OUT ON VACATION SO I'LL BE COVERING FOR HER AS CHAIRMAN. I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO GIVE HIM A CHANCE ON HIS FIRST DAY. YOU'LL HE'LL HE'LL GET PLENTY OF CHANCES IN THE FUTURE. SO, AS CHAIR MENTIONED, THIS IS AN SCP REQUEST FOR AN AUTOMOBILE REPAIR. MINOR USE. THIS PROPERTY IS ZONED CR. AND JUST A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT IN. IN THE PAST, THIS USE WAS PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN THE COMMUNITY RETAIL ZONING DISTRICT. I WASN'T ABLE TO TRACK DOWN EXACTLY WHEN IT WAS BEFORE I STARTED IN THE CITY.
IN THE PAST YEAR AND A HALF OR TWO YEARS AGO, THAT THE LAND USE CHART WAS AMENDED TO REQUIRE THIS REQUIRE AN SCP FOR THIS USE IN THE ZONING DISTRICT. SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT THAT I WANTED TO MENTION BEFORE MOVING FORWARD. HERE ARE THE CASE INFORMATION 4134 BOBTOWN ROAD APPLICANT IS OSAMAMA DAGGER .34 ACRES, ONE AD ONE THIRD OF AN ACRE. IT'S A IT'S A TINY, TINY SITE. AS MENTIONED, COMMUNITY RETAIL IS THE NING DISTRICT. HERE WE HAVE THE ZONING MAP. AS YOU CAN SEE, PROPERTY TO THE NORTH. THE BROWN HATCHED AREA THAT IS DESIGNATED FOR PD 22 DASH 16 THAT HAS ALREADY THERE ARE APARTMENTS THERE. WHAT YOU SEE IN RED TO THE NORTH WEST THAT IS SAYING PD 2327. THAT'S THE PAPPY'S CAR WASH ABOVE THAT PD 19 DASH 22 THAT ONCE THE QUIKTRIP AND THEN RIGHT NEXT TO IT, THERE IS A CHURCH TO THE WEST AND TO THE EAST. THERE IS A GENERAL OFFICE BUSINESS THAT IS OPERATING RIGHT NOW FURTHER TO THE SOUTHEAST, THERE ARE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES DESIGNATE THIS AREA AS A NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER, SO NEIGHBORHOOD CENTERS PROVIDE A MIX OF RETAIL SERVICES AND COMMUNITY GATHERING PLACES. THIS SHOULD BE APPROPRIATELY SCALED TO ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL AREAS. GENERALLY, THIS TYPE OF USES THAT ARE MORE TRANSIENT IN NATURE DOESN'T REALLY BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER. WE DON'T CONSIDER THEM APPROPRIATE FOR THIS COMP PLAN DESIGNATION. BUT THIS SITE HAS SOME UNIQUE ASPECTS AND WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT HERE IN A BIT. HERE'S SOME SIDE PHOTOS. YOU CAN SEE THAT NEWER APARTMENT BUILDING THAT IS A VIEW FROM THE SUBJECT SITE FACING NORTH. WE HAVE THIS IS A THIS IS AN EXIST THE THE PHOTO THAT YOU SEE TO THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SLIDE THAT IS THE EXISTING SITE. AND THERE IS A NON-OPERATING CAR WASH INFRASTRUCTURE THERE. SO WHAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING IS TO TAKE IT DOWN AND DO AN AUTOMOBILE REPAIR, MINOR USE IN THAT AREA. NEXT SLIDE. HERE'S
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SOME MORE PHOTOS FROM OTHER VIEWS. NEXT, HERE'S THE CONCEPT PLAN. AS YOU CAN SEE THERE, THERE IS CURRENTLY TWO ACCESS FROM BOBTOWN THERE RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER. BASED ON THIS CONCEPT PLAN. THIS APPLICANT, IF APPROVED, WOULD ONLY USE THE ONE TO THE WEST AND THE OTHER ONE WOULD BE PAVED OFF. THERE ARE 13 PARKING SPACES THERE MEETING THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS. THERE. IN GREEN, YOU'LL SEE A 225 SQUARE FOOT LITTLE OFFICE, AND THEY HAVE THREE BAYS TO PROVIDE THE SERVICES THAT THEY OFFER. THERE WILL BE SOME LANDSCAPING ADDITIONS ALONG BOBTOWN THAT YOU SEE IN GREEN CIRCLES. NEXT SLIDE. SO THE REASON WE'RE NOT REALLY PROVIDING AN OFFICIAL FORMAL RECOMMENDATION ON THIS ONE IS BECAUSE, YES, IT DOES NOT REALLY MEET THE VISION THAT IS SET ON THE COMP PLAN FOR THIS TYPE OF THIS TYPE OF USE OR THIS AREA. BUT THE FACT IS ALSO THAT THERE IS A CAR WASH, THERE IS A CAR WASH TO THE NORTH, THERE'S SH TO THE NORTH AS WELL, AND OFTEN A CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GAS STATION, A CAR WASH AND AUTOMOBILE REPAIR. THIS USES DO GO HAND IN HAND. SO THAT'S AN ASPECT THAT WE WANTED TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION. THE SITE IS ALSO TINY. IT IS CURRENTLY UNUSED, SO WE DO SEE SOME VALUE IN HAVING AT BEING USED AGAIN. BUT AGAIN FOR THE LONG TERM VISION THAT WE HAVE FOR THE COMP PLAN, THIS USE DOES NOT NECESSARILY FIT THAT. SO WE DECIDED TO STAY NEUTRAL BECAUSE WE COULD SEE SOME SOME ARGUMENTS ON BOTH SIDES. WE DO HAVE THE SUP TIMELINE RECOMMENDATION GUIDE, WHICH DOES NOT SPECIFY ANY TIME PERIOD FOR THIS USE, BUT WE THOUGHT BECAUSE THIS DOES INCLUDE SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT OF TAKING DOWN A FACILITY AND THEN DOING A NEW CONSTRUCTION, 10 TO 20 YEARS COULD BE CONSIDERED IF PLAN COMMISSION WANTED TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. RESPONSE LETTERS. WE HAVE SENT 40 LETTERS. WE GOT FOUR LETTERS WITHIN THE NOTIFICATION AREA THAT ARE IN OPPOSITION. WHEN I WAS GOING THROUGH THE COMMENTS, THERE WERE SOME COMMENTS ABOUT THIS. USE DOES NOT REALLY ADD ANY VALUE TO THE GENERAL AREA. THEY WERE WORRIED ABOUT NOISE POLLUTION AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT COULD BE SOMETIMES ASSOCIATED WITH AN AUTO REPAIR TYPE USES. WE ALSO GOT ONE RESPONSE IN FAVOR, BUT THAT'S FROM THE OUTSIDE OF THE NOTIFICATION AREA. AND WE GOT THREE THAT ARE AGAINST THE PROPOSAL THAT ARE ALSO OUTSIDE OF THE NOTIFICATION AREA. AND THEIR CONCERNS WERE PRETTY MUCH THE SAME. SO A TOTAL OF EIGHT RESPONSES RECEIVED. AND WITH THAT I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS IF YOU WANT TO GO.COCOMMISSION PEIRCE, I THINK IT'S FOR YOU. I'LL START FIRST WITH THE CITIZEN CONCERNS. I KNOW THERE ARE AT LEAST MAYBE FOUR TRAFFIC, AIR POLLUTION, ODOR, ODOR OR AND NOISE. WHAT FEEDBACK WOULD YOU HAVE IN REGARDS TO THOSE CONCERNS IN TERMS OF LIKE TRAFFIC? I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS CAUSES FOR TRAFFIC IMPACT ASSESSMENT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT I'LL START THERE JUST SO THAT OUR CITIZENS KIND OF CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT THOSE IMPACTS WOULD BE. CORRECT. SO DURING THE SITE PERMIT PROCESS, THAT IS, IF THIS IS APPROVED, THE APPLICANT WILL BE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT FOR A SITE PERMIT. AND AT THAT TIME, THE WHOLE SITE WOULD BE CONSIDERED IN MORE DETAIL FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT AND SOME KIND OF. IF NOT, I DON'T REALLY SEE THIS REQUIRING A FULL BLOWN TIA, BUT SOME KIND OF STATEMENT MAY BE REQUIRED FROM THE APPLICANT AT THAT STAGE. BUT I DO WANT TO SAY, EVEN WITH THE ZONING REVIEW, OUR TRANSPORTATION GROUP DOES TAKE A LOOK AT THE CONCEPT AND IF THEY HAD ANY TRUE CONCERNS REGARDING THE IMPACT ON THE ROAD, THEY WOULD HAVE BROUGHT IT UP. AND WE HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING. AND THE NOISE AND POLLUTION, OF COURSE IT'S A REPAIR. IT'S MINOR. SO I THINK EARLIER I THINK ON THE SECOND SLIDE, IF YOU DON'T MIND GOING TO THE SECOND SLIDE, I HAD THE DEFINITION OF THE USE ON THE SLIDE. SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT AGAIN WE DON'T HAVE A RECOMMENDATION. THAT'S FOR PLANNING COMMISSION TO CONSIDER. THIS IS FOR MINOR REPAIRS. THIS IS NOT WORKING ON ENGINES OR THINGS LIKE THAT. THIS IS FOR CHANGING TIRES AND OTHER MINOR THINGS THAT MAY NOT GENERATE AS MUCH NOISE AT AS SOMEONE COULD ANTICIPATE. BUT AGAIN, IT IS A USE GOING ON A SITE AND IT IS AN AUTO CENTRIC USE. SO THERE ARE SOME THINGS
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THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH IT AND SOME NOISE AND SOME POLLUTION IS PART OF IT. WE RECOGNIZE THAT. AND THEN THANK YOU. AND THEN ONE MORE QUESTION FOR STAFF JUST AND THEN ALSO SO THAT THOSE ARE LISTENING IN CAN UNDERSTAND AS WELL. SO THE USE RIGHT NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COMMUNITY RETAIL ZONING ZONING EXCUSE ME COMMUNITY RETAIL. AND THEN WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES. AND COMMUNITY RETAIL IS A MORE INTENSIVE USE. CORRECT. IT IS.YEAH. BUT IT IS ALREADY ZONED MORE INTO OKAY I SAW NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES OR MAYBE IT WAS NEIGHBORHOOD CENTERS ON THE. OH, SO THE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTERS IS NOT A ZONING DISTRICT. THAT IS THE ZONE THAT IS THE LAND USE OR THAT IS THE GENERAL DESIGNATION ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. BUT THAT ONE IS DIFFERENT THAN NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES, WHICH IS WHAT YOU WOULD KIND OF BRING UP IF YOU'RE TRYING TOOMPARE DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS. IN THAT SENSE, YES, NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE IS LESS INTENSIVE THAN COMMUNITY RETAIL, BUT IN THIS CONTEXT, NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER IS A SEPARATE THING THAN ZONING DISTRICT. I WAS WHEN I WAS REVIEWING THE PACKET, I SAW NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THAT'S WHAT I GOT IT. GOT IT. YES, I UNDERSTAND INQUIRING ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE, THE DIFFERENCES. I, I FULLY UNDERSTAND THOUGH. YEAH.
I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS AT THE MOMENT. I'LL ALLOW OTHERS THAT NEED TO CHIME IN IF THEY HAVE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? CORRECT? CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THAT CAR WASH USE IS NOW GONE. IT'S VOID AND IT'S NOT OPERATED. IT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK UP FOR A WHOLE APPLICATION. OKAY. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY KNEW THAT. AND IN THEIR LETTER THAT THEY SENT YOU, I NOTICE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT A THREE STORY BUILDING 35FT IN HEIGHT, EQUIVALENT TO THREE STORY BUILDING. DO YOU KNOW WHY THEY WANT THAT, OR IS THAT SOMETHING FOR THE APPLICANT TO ANSWER? THE APPLICANT IS NOT PROPOSING A THREE STORY BUILDING. WELL, THERE'S A 30 35 FOOT HEIGHT IS WHAT THEY'RE WANTING, WHICH IS EQUIVALENT TO THREE STORY BUILDING. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE CONCEPT PLAN? YEAH. IN HIS IN THEIR OH, ITHEIR WRITTEN NARRATIVE. YEAH. IN THE WRITTEN NARRATIVE, THE PROPOSED BUILDING WILL BE 2300FTā S IN SI, 35FT IN HEIGHT, AND FULLY COMPLIANT WITH APPLICABLE PROVISIONS OF THE GARLAND. SO I'LL ASK THE APPLICANT. YES, PLEASE. THANK YOU. THAT SEEMS KIND OF OVERWHELMING FOR MINOR AUTO REPAIR. YEAH. I WILL NOTE IT LOOKS LIKE THIS PROPERTY IS 2 TO 3, ABOUT TWO 250FT AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL. IT'S ABSOLUTELY OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE STAFF? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. I DON'T HAVE A CARD FROM THE APPLICANT.
SOMEBODY HERE FROM THE APPLICANT WHO WOULD CARE TO GET UP AND SPEAK. SO. YEAH. COME ON DOWN. YEAH. OH YOU COULD YOU CAN DO THAT LATER. YEAH. AND NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. THANK YOU. CAN I ADD A CLARIFICATION. SO THE CR DISTRICTS MAXIMUM HEIGHT ALLOWANCE IS 35FT. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY PUT IT IN THERE IN THE NARRATIVE BECAUSE OF THAT. BUT THAT IS THE HIGHEST HEIGHT THAT'S ALLOWED IN CR. BUT I WASN'T AWARE THAT THE BUILDING THAT THEY WERE PROPOSING WAS GOING TO BE 35. WE DON'T KNOW FOR CERTAIN. SO WE'LL ASK THEM. THANK YOU. I HAVE A GOOD EVENING. YEAH. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS OSAMA DAGGER AND I'M REQUESTING AN APPROVAL FOR A CUP AND A CONCEPT PLAN FOR MINOR AUTO REPAIR USE AT 4134 BOBTOWN ROAD.
THIS PROJECT WAS ORIGINALLY FULLY COMPLIANT WITH ZONING, AND I HAD A CASE NUMB T THAT ALLOWED ME TO MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT IT. DUE TO A PERSONAL REASON, I WAS ENABLED TO SUBMIT MY SITE PLAN ON TIME. DURING THAT DELAY, THE ZONING CHANGED AND I LOST ALL MY PREVIOUS APPROVALS. DESPITE THIS, MY PROJECT STILL FITS THE AREA THAT FOLLOWS THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF THE ZONING. THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY HAS AN OLD NON-WORKING SELF CAR WASH, WHICH IS AN EYESORE AND ATTRACTS UNWANTED ACTIVITIES. REDEVELOPING THIS LOT INTO A PROFESSIONAL MINOR AUTO REPAIR SHOP WILL IMPROVE THE LOOK OF BOBTOWROAD AND ENHANCE, ENHANCE THE SAFETY AND HELP THE COMMUNITY. NEARBY THERE IS TWO GAS STATIONS AND A NEW CAR WASH SHOWING THAT AUTO RELATED SERVICES ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE AREA. THE LOT SIZE IS NOT ENOUGH TO HANDLE. A QUICK AUTO SERVICE IS ENOUGH. SORRY. PARKING AND LANDSCAPING AND THE BUSINESS WILL FOCUS ON OIL CHANGES, TUNE UPS AND TIRE SERVICES ONLY. SO THERE'S GOING TO BE NO MAJOR REPAIRS OR ANY BODYWORK, AND THIS PROJECT WILL SERVE THE COMMUNITY AND IMPROVE
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THE AREA APPEARANCE AND CREATE SAFER, MORE WELCOMING ENVIRONMENT. AND I RESPECTFULLY ASK THE COMMISSION TO APPROVE THIS REQUEST AND ALLOW THE PROJECT TO MOVE FORWARD. THIS IS WHAT I HAD WRITTEN. IT'S JUST RIGHT NOW, OLD CAR WASH. AS WE AS SOME PEOPLE ACTUALLY READ THE COMMENTS FROM THE NEIGHBORS AND THEY WERE SAYING LIKE, IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE THE NOISE THING AND, YOU KNOW, THE POLLUTION. I MEAN, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO ATTRACT ANY MORE TRAFFIC FROM OUTSIDE. IT'S JUST WHATEVER PEOPLE GOES THROUGH BOBTOWN ROAD. THAT'S WHAT WE ACTUALLY LOOKING FOR. AND NOW IT'S JUST WE HAVE LIKE, YOU KNOW, HOMELESS ISSUE OVER THERE.AND IT'S JUST LIKE AN OLD BUILDING. PEOPLE JUST, YOU KNOW, SLEEP THERE AT NIGHT AND IT'S JUST WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO PUT SOMETHING NEW WITH LANDSCAPING AND, YOU KNOW, GET THE BUILDING GOING. SO IT WILL BE ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, BETTER FOR THE COMMUNITY. AND I KNOW LIKE CITY OF GARLAND, NOT LIKE LOOKING FOR A NEW MINOR REPAIR SHOPS IN THAT AREA BECAUSE THE WHOLE CITY IS HAVING LIKE A LOT OF AUTO SHOPS. BUT THAT AREA REALLY NEEDS SOMETHING LIKE THAT, ESPECIALLY. IT'S NEXT TO CAR WASH AND A I KNOW IT'S JUST THIS IS THE FIRST TIME ME SPEAKING, SO. OH, YOU'RE DOING FINE. EXCUSE ME. YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST WE'RE TRYING TO GET THAT LITTLE LOT GOING AND ANYTHING ELSE WE'RE GOING TO OPEN. IT'S JUST NOT REALLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO WORK. AND WE WILL MAKE SURE TO FOLLOW ALL THE GUIDELINES AND ALL THE REQUIREMENTS BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT OR ANY CODES THAT THE CITY OF GARLAND REQUIRE US.
AND IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I CAN ANSWER THEM, BECAUSE NOW I GOT THE BALL ROLLING WITH ME. ANY QUESTIONS OF THEPPLICANT? I'LL FOLLOW UP MY QUESTION. IN THE NARRATIVE, IT SAID A 35 FOOT BUILDING. ARE YOU PLANNING ON BUILDING A 35 FOOT TALL BUILDING? WE'LL CHANGE THAT. SINCE THIS IS A CONCEPT PLAN, I KNOW THERE IS A LOT OF BUILDING DETAILS. YOU KNOW, WITH THE WITH THE PERMIT DEPARTMENT. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CHANGE THE SIZE TO ACTUALLY IF YOU SAY IT'S GOING TO BE THREE STORY HIGH, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE IT SMALLER. THAT'S FINE. WE'R'RE NOT LI STRICT ON THESE THINGS AS LONG AS THE CONCEPT IS APPROVED BY YOU GUYS. SORRY. BY. NO, NO, YOU'RE FINE AND WE WILL WORK OUT WITH ANYTHING. SO IF IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE 35, THIS IS. WE'RE NOT INTO THIS BUSINESS. YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST WE BOUGHT THE CAR WASH AND THE ZONING CHANGED ON US. AND BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, WE WE NEEDED TIME TO GET ACTUALLY PLANS AND THESE THINGS IN THE ZONING CHANGESSO WE'RE TRYING TO GET THIS DEVELOPED. OTHERWISE WE'RE GOING TO BE STUCK WITH SOMETHING THAT THERE IS NO WAY WE CAN DO ANYTHING IN IT. AND IT'S GOING TO BE A LOSS. AND I KNOW ONCE WE PUT SOMETHING ON, EVENTUALLY IT'S GOING TO GENERATE MORE JOBS. WE'RE GOING TO HIRE PEOPLE AND WE CAN ACTUALLY PAY MORE TAXES ON IT. AND IT'S A WIN WIN FOR EVERYBODY. AND I MEAN, YEAH, WELL, I APPRECIATE THAT. WHAT I'M TRYING TO AVOID IS THE 35 FOOT TALL BUILDING WITH A HUGE SIGN AT THE TOP. AND SO SOMETHING SHORT IT WILL BE SHORTER. I DO APPRECIATE, AND I GUESS THE CONCEPT PLAN WILL HOLD THEM TO THIS, THAT THE GARAGE DOORS ARE FACING AWAY.
YES, SIR. MORE TOWARDS THE OTHER BUSY STREET SO NOISE WILL NOT BE HEADING TOWARDS YES, YES.
AND SINCE IT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY CARS PARKED OVERNIGHT.
SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY BIG WORK. IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE LITERALLY YOU COME TO THE PUMP YOUR GAS, GO TO THE CAR WASH, WASH IT OFF AND GO GET YOUR OIL CHANGE AND IT WILL BE DONE WITH IT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO TO BROADWAY. IT'S CRAZY OVER THERE. YOU JUST STAY IN THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD AND GET ALL THESE THREE THINGS DONE, YOU KNOW? AND THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR FOR THEM. OH, I WAS GOING TO SAY I DOUBT THAT THEY WILL NEED 35FT. NO, BUT IF COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND A PARTICULAR NOT TO EXCEED HEIGHT, IT IS POSSIBLE FOR US TO PUT IT IN CONDITION. WE WILL DEFINITELY GO WITH THAT BECAUSE WE HAD A RECENT APPLICANT COME THROUGH. IT'S PRETTY MUCH AN UGLY AUTO REPAIR DEAL AND I DIDN'T WANT SOMETHING REAL BIG AND GOT IN THERE. YEAH, YEAH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. COMMISSIONER JENKINS AND THEN COMMISSIONER ABLE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. GOOD EVENING SIR. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION. A COUPLE QUESTIONS, THE FIRST BEING, ARE THERE ANY SCREENING IDEAS THAT YOU ALL HAVE AT THIS POINT? I DON'T REALLY SEE IT ON THE CONCEPT PLAN, BUT I'M BLIND, SO SCREENING. WHAT DO YOU MEAN, SCREENING? LIKE A FENCE OR WALL OR SOMETHING? A BOUNDARY? OH YEAH. YOU MEAN WHEN WE START THE CONSTRUCTION OR RIGHT NOW? JUST JUST AS IT RELATES TO WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED. SO IN THE CONCEPT PLAN. YEAH. ARE YOU INTENDING TO HAVE SOME SORT OF
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FENCING OR SCREENING ON THE SITE? OKAY. FOR NOW IT'S JUST THE CAR WASH, THE OLD CAR WASH BUILDING. ONCE EVERYTHING IS, I HOPE IT GETS APPROVED AND WE GO WITH THE PLAN. WE WILL HAVE ALL THESE SCREENING THINGS. OKAY. THAT'S IF I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION CORRECTLY. THE LAND BEHIND IT I THINK IS ZONED COMMUNITY RETAIL, WHICH PROBABLY DOESN'T REQUIRE SCREENING. THAT IS CORRECT TO THE EAST. SO YES. SO THEY ARE NOT REQUIRED TO PROVIDE SCREENING TO THE SOUTH. TO THE WEST, THOUGH THEY DO HAVE AGRICULTURAL ZONED LAND. SO ON THAT PIECE THEY MAY HAVE TO THEY MAY, THEY MAY BE REQUIRED TO PUT SCREENING. BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S AN THAT'S A CHURCH BUILDING. YES, THAT'S, THAT A CHURCH. SO DURING SITE PERMIT WE'LL MAKE SURE WHATEVER THE APPROPRIATE SCREENING IS THEY PUT IT IN THERE. SO AND TO THE WEST THEY MAY HAVE TO, BUT TO THE SOUTH AND TO THE EAST THEY DON'T HAVE TO. AND ALONG BOBTOWOWN THEDON'T, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO DO LANDSCAPING ALONG BOBTOWN. OKAY. THANK YOU.FOLLOW UP QUESTION FOR STAFF MIGHT BE HELPFUL IN THIS ONE. I'M LOOKING AT THE ORDINANCE ITSELF. THERE'S UNDER SECTION A VEHICLE STORAGE. I HEARD THE APPLICANT SAY THAT THERE IS NO INTENT TO DO VEHICLE STORAGE ON THE SITE. CORRECT. I'M NOT CERTAIN WHY THERE'S A NEED TO HAVE A SPECIFIC CONDITION FOR THAT SO THAT THAT PROVISION IS ACTUALLY PART OF THE GDC. SO THAT BY DEFAULT, IF THEY'RE NOT ASKING, THEY'RE NOT GETTING ANY KIND OF DEVIATION, WHICH THROUGH SUP, THEY CAN'T ANYWAY. BUT IN THAT CASE IT'S NOT REQUIRED. WE PUT IT IN THE CONDITION. BUT IN THESE PARTICULAR CASES WHEN IT'S AUTO REPAIR, THERE'S N NO GUARANTEE THERE COULD BE A CAR THAT SOMEONE DIDN'T PICK UP. WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO THEN? SO IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE CODE CAN GO IN THERE AND ENFORCE THAT PROVISION, WE LIKE TO SPECIFY IT IN THE CONDITION. NO. BUT WITH IT, THE PROVISION SPECIFICALLY NOTES THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A GATED ACCESS PARKING LOT THERE. AND SO THERE'S AN INCONSISTENCY BETWEEN KIND OF WHAT WE'RE THE SCREENING REQUIREMENT IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE GATED ACCESS PARKING LOT. IT JUST IS. THERE'S A LOT OF FLUFF I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR GDC SO THAT WHAT IT TRIES TO, WHAT IT ATTEMPTS TO SOLVE IS THAT IF AN AUTO REPAIR USE WHERE TO HAVE A STORAGE AREA FOR TWO PARKED CARS OVERNIGHT, THAT'S THE REQUIREMENT FOR IT. FOR THEM, THEY'RE CONFIRMING THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY VEHICLES STORED OVERNIGHT, SO IT DOESN'T APPLY TO THEM. BUT WE LIKE TO PUT IT IN THE CONDITIONS JUST TO MAKE SURE THEY DON'T DO IT. THEY DON'T PARK CARS OVERNIGHT BECAUSE THEN THEY WILL BE IN VIOLATION OF THEIR. OKAY, OKAY. LAST QUESTION AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH. LAST QUESTION SIR.
AUTOMOTIVE USES IN TERMS OF WHAT'S OFFERED BY MOTOR VEHICLES. BY RIGHT. IT'S VERY, VERY LIMITED. I THINK TWO TWO SPECIFIC ITEMS Y Y THIS USE AS OPPOSED TO A COMMERCIAL GARAGE OR SOMETHING OF THE SORT, LIKE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF BUSINESS. YES. I MEAN, WE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT. I MEAN, ANYBODY WILL THINK ABOUT THAT. THE THING IS, FOR US, WE'RE NOT BIG INVESTORS.
AND FOR US TO OPEN, LET SAY, LIKE A SMALL SHOPPING CENTER, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR THE INCOME THAT WE MIGHT GENERATE IS NOT GOING TO ACTUALLY BE ENOUGH FOR THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE'RE GOING TO PUT IN THE CONSTRUCTION AND THE LAND WE BOUGHT. THAT'S FIRST THING, THE SECOND THING ACROSS THE STREET, THERE'S A BIG SHOPPING CENTER THAT JUST OPENED, AND HALF OF IT, OR MORE THAN HALF OF IT IS EMPTY. AND LET'S SAY WE WANT TO OPEN LIKE A HAIR SALON OR A DONUT SHOP THAT LIKE, YOU GO RIGHT NOW AND YOU GO BY THAT BUILDING AND THEY ALREADY HAVE LIKE A DONUT SHOP AND A HAIR SALON. SO IMAGINE IF WE PROPOSED THAT AND WE OPENED IT AS WE'RE GOING TO OPEN THESE BUSINESSES, THEN SUDDENLY, WHICH IS ALREADY NOW HAPPENING, THEY ALREADY OPENED THE DONUT SHOP AND THE HAIR SALON. WE WILL BE ACTUALLY LIKE IN DEPTH.
SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY, HAVING THIS LIKE A SHOPPING CENTER, WHICH IS THE ONLY THING THAT WE CAN OPEN, LET'S SAY, IS NOT GOING TO BE A GOOD RETURN ON, ON LIKE ON PROFIT. YOU KNOW, FOR US AS AN INVESTMENT. AND THE OTHER THING, THE LOT IS REALLY SMALL. THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO TO MAKE, TO GENERATE MONEY, TO BE ACTUALLY SOMETHING PROFITABLE. BUT LIKE A SMALL OIL, LIKE OIL AND LUBE SHOP, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW BIG OR SMALL IT IS, YOU CAN STILL GENERATE INCOME FROM THREE BAYS MORE THAN HAVING 2400 SQUARE FOOT SHOPPING
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CENTER, WHICH YOU BARELY CAN SQUEEZE LIKE TWO BUSINESSES IN IT. AND LET'S SAY YOU'RE GOING TO LEASE THESE THINGS, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ENOUGH TO ACTUALLY PAY THE MORTGAGE OR THE LAND.SO IT'S JUST ABOUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE PROFITABLE FOR US SINCE WE ARE NOT LIKE BIG INVESTORS. WE DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH OF A LIQUID MONEY TO DO. YOU GET WHAT I'M SAYING? YES.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IT'S JUST THAT'S THAT'S ONE ASPECT OF IT. THE SECOND THING IS, JUST AS I SAID, THE CAR WASH AND THE KWIK TRIP IS OVER THERE AND THERE'S ANOTHER TWO GAS STATIONS. IT'S JUST ALL THESE ACCUMULATED TOGETHER WITH HAVING LIKE AN AUTO RELATED THING IN THERE.
AND THERE'S A BIG SHOPPING CENTER ACROSS THE STREET. I DON'T THINK WE NEED LIKE ANOTHER ONE. THAT'S WHAT I THINK. THAT'S AN HONEST OPINION. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE COMMISSIONER ABLE. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. YEP. THERE WE GO. WALK ME THROUGH. I'M LOOKING AT THE PLAN HERE AND THE BACK OF YOUR BUILDING. AND THE SIDE FACING EGG. WILL THERE BE ANY WINDOWS? YOU MEAN THTHE WEST SIE BY THE CHURCH OR THE EAST SIDE BY THE LANDSCAPING BUSINESS? LOOKING AT THE BACK. OKAY. WHERE THE TEN FOOT SETBACK IS, WHERE THERE WILL BE NOTHING BEHIND THE BUILDING. SO ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF YOUR BAY DOORS, THE OPPOSITE SIDE. OKAY. SO AS IT'S OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE A PULL IN BACK OUT OR BACK IN PULL OUT. YES. BUSINESS. ARE THERE ANY WINDOWS, ANYTHING ON THE BACKSIDE OF THIS THAT COULD ALLOW NOISE? THERE'S GOING TO BE NO WINDOWS IN THE LIKE. ONCE YOU ENTER THEHE BAYS, IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE A WALL IN FRONT OF YOU. THIS IS AS FAR AS BECAUSE THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE SHOWN REALLY IN DETAILS IN THE CONCEPT PLAN. THIS IS BUT IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE BY THE SETBACK IS GOING TO BE JUST THE WALL.
SO THE CAR IS GOING TO PULL IN. IT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE A WINDOW IN FRONT OF IT. IT'S GOING TO HAVE A SIGN THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, EMPLOYEES ONLY ON THESE THINGS. BUT IF THERE IS ANY REQUIREMENT THAT YOU GUYS ARE SORRY THAT YOU ARE SUGGEST WE WILL WORK WITH THESE THINGS, I'M ASKING THAT QUESTION VERY SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE OF THE FEEDBACK FROM THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS.
THAT'S GOING TO BE THE PART THAT'S GOING TO BE FACING THE HOUSES. SO THEIR SPECIFIC COMPLAINT IS POSSIBLE NOISE POLLUTION, EVERYTHING ELSE. OH YEAH, THERE'S GOING TO BE NO WINDOWS IF YOU'RE ONLY WAY OUT IS GOING TO BE THE BACKSIDE FACING I GUESS THAT'S FACING I-30 THERE. THAT WOULD KEEP NOISE GOING. THAT DIRECTION IS MY IF I MAY. IT'S A GOOD POINT.
MAYBE SOMETHING TO PUT AS A CONDITION THAT THERE ARE SOME OF THESE AUTO REPAIR PLACES PUT DOORS ON EITHER SIDE WHERE THEY FACE PAVING OR NOT JUST FOR THE CROSS-VENTILATION. RIGHT. AND I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE POSSIBLY NO WINDOWS ON THAT RIGHT SIDE IN THE BACKSIDE. ONLY WINDOWS.
YEAH I JUST YEAH. THE ONLY WINDOWS. YES. YOU'RE RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO JUST SOME OF THE CONCERN. YES. WE WILL HAVE A WINDOW AT THE OFFICE. BUT THERE IS THERE IS NO NEED TO ACTUALLY HAVE A WINDOWS BY THE BASE BECAUSE THE BASE IS GOING TO BE OPEN WHEN THE CAR COMES IN. SO THERE'S NO NEED FOR IT. UNDERSTAND? THANK YOU. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANYBODY ELSE? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GO AHEAD AND HAVE A SEAT. WE'LL SEE IF ANYBODY ELSE THANK YOU. AND IF THEY DO WE'LL BRING YOU BACK UP. THANK YOU. I HAVE NO OTHER SPEAKER CARDS. IS THERE ANYBODY, ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO ADDRESS THIS CASE? ANYBODY? NOPE. OKAY. COMMISSIONERS. MOTION DISCUSSION A MOTION.
COMMISSIONER ABEL, YOU CARE TO MAKE A MOTION? I WOULD FIRST LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND DISCUSS AMONGST OURSELVES. OKAY? WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JENKINS TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. THIS IS ONLY TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND NO, NONE OF US HAVE VOTED. SO THOSE RESULTS DON'T COUNT. ALTHOUGH I CAN IMAGINE IT'D BE ABOUT THE SAME. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. WE'RE IN DISCUSSION MODE NOW. COMMISSIONER ABEL. COME ON. HERE WE GO. JULIUS IS NOT GOING TO DISCUSS WITH ME. COME ON N M. OH, HE'S NEXT IN THE QUEUE. OKAY, SO I, I GET THE PUBLIC'S CONCERN, BUT I'M. I ASK MYSELF THIS EVERY TIME. WHAT ELSE COULD WE PUT THERE? THIS IS A
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SMALL AREA. YOU KNOW, AND HAVING AUTOMOTIVE BACKGROUND WITH THIS BEING A THREE SIDED BUILDING WITH BAYS WITH NO OTHER WINDOWS OR ANYTHING ELSE ON IT, I SEE THE NOISE BEING MINIMAL. IT'S YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE A LOT LESS NOISE THAN A CAR WASH THAT'S OPEN 24 HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, WITH PEOPLE PULLING UP AND BLARING STEREOS AT 10:00 AT NIGHT. SO I GUESS I'M LOOKING FOR THOUGHTS FROM EVERYBODY ELSE. BUT THAT'S THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS. THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION I ASKED. SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS. ALRIGHTY. COMMISSIONER JENKINS AND THEN COMMISSIONER DALTON AND LET ME. COME ON. HERE WE GO. THANK YOU SIR. OKAY, I'M LOOKING AND I RECOGNIZE THAT THE APPLICANT HAD INDICATED THAT HE WAS IN THIS PROCESS BEFOREHAND. AND SO IT CHANGED ON HIM. BUT HE'S TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, NOT MAKE SURE THAT YOUR MICROPHONE ISN'T PICKING UP. FOR SOME REASON, I, I TOOK I TOOK COMMISSIONER DUCKWORTH'S RECOMMENDATION. IS THAT BETTER? OKAY. HEARING HIM SAY THAT I STILL WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT THE CURRENT CONDITION OF OF THE GDC, THE LAND USE MATRIX, SPECIFICALLY NOTES THAT THE MOTOR VEHICLE AND RELATED USES HAVE BECOME MORE STRINGENT. IT'S IT'S HARDER TO GET THOSE USES KIND OF IN PLACE, AND WE SHOULD BE MORE OBSERVANT OF THAT. WE CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING CONDITIONS. I WOULD, YOU KNOW, MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE SCREENING BE INCREASED TO ACT AS A BUFFER, POTENTIALLY QUELLING SOME OF THE PUBLIC'S CONCERNS REGARDING THE NOISE AND THE LIKE. I YOU KNOW, I'M NOT 100% IN AGREEMENT THAT IT'S IT'S YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD BE MINDFUL THAT IT'S A DIFFICULT SITE. AND WE'VE GOT AND, YOU KNOW, I HEAR THATBUT WHO KNOWS WHAT COULD HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE. WE COULD HAVE SOMEONE ELSE COME THAT IS PREPARED TO PUT A USE THAT IS MORE. YOU KNOW, IN LINE WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORHOOD IN TRANSITION. SO THAT'S MY POSITION THERE IS THAT LET'S PUT SOME CONDITIONS ON IT. LET'S SEE WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS TO SAY ABOUT THOSE CONDITIONS. AND I'LL I'LL WAIT TO HEAR FURTHER COMMENTS FROM EVERYONE ELSE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONER DALTON AND COMMISSIONER PERISH. THANK YOU. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A BUSINESS THAT'S GOING TO GENERATE TONS AND TONS OF NOISE AND TONS AND TONS OF TRAFFIC.IF THEIR FOCUS IS ALL CHANGE, THERE'S PLENTY OF QUICK TRIP OIL CHANGES OUT THERE WITH 12 BAYS. THIS HAS GOT THREE. YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT 18 WHEELERS DRIVING THROUGH HERE NEEDING TO GET THEIR VEHICLE SERVICED. THIS IS FOR MOST OF US TO TAKE OUR CARS OR PICKUP TRUCKS AND GET OIL CHANGED. IT'S NOT OUT OF LINE FOR THE AREA WITH A GAS STATION ACROSS THE STREET AND A CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GAS PUMPS CLOSE BY AND A CAR WASH, I PERSONALLY CANNOT FIND AN OBJECTION TO THIS BEING APPROVED FOR A PERIOD OF TIME, WITHIN REASON.
I BELIEVE 20 OR 30 YEARS IS WHAT'S BEEN RECOMMENDED. THERE'S WAS 10 TO 20 STAFF'S, 20 TO YEAH, 20, AND A COMMERCIAL LOAN WOULD PROBABLY BE WHAT, 15 YEARS. RIGHT. AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE DOING ENGINE REBUILDS. AND IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING TIRE WORK. IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE FOCUSED FROM WHAT THEY'VE JUST SAID IS ALL CHANGES. THAT'S A VERY MUNDANE NEEDED BUSINESS. AND I'M VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF T THIS ONE.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER AND COMMISSIONER CORNELIUS. I DON'T THINK MY IS HOT. A COUPLE OF THINGS. THE THE SERVICES DOES COMMUNICATE, OR AT LEAST THE INFORMATION PACKET THAT WE WAS GIVEN SAYS LUBRICATION SERVICES AND TIRE SALES AND INSTALLATION. I AM I DO WANT TO BE MINDFUL OF THE NOISE, THE NOISE AND THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE NOISE AND, AND AND IN THE TRAFFIC. WE'VE ALREADY ADDRESSED THAT A BIT. I ALSO IN THE WAY THAT THE NOISE CAN BE LESSENED IS THE SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS. IT'S ALREADY BEEN REQUESTED IN TERMS OF LIKE YOU SAID, NO, NO WINDOWS FACING AWAY FROM YOU, NO MORE TOWARDS THE HIGHWAY. I ALSO THINK BACK TO THE USE OF THE LAND. I DO UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS FROM COMMISSIONER
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JENKINS AS WELL, BUT I ALSO WAS LEANING TOWARDS THE SITE IN ITS CURRENT CONDITIONS AND WHAT COULD BE BEST USED IN TERMS OF A CAR WASH, WHERE IT'S WE DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT'LL BE SITTING THERE VACANT, NOT USE OF THE LAND. SO SO THE, THE I THINK THE CURRENT RECOMMENDATION IS HELPFUL FOR THE LOCATION. SO I'M, I'M, I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH COMMISSIONER DALTON AROUND THAT USE. I AM MINDFUL OF OF WHAT THE WHAT OUR WHAT THE CONCERNS ARE FROM THE CITIZENS. BUT LIKE WE SAID THERE WOULD BE A A REVIEW OF THE TRAFFIC ET-CETERA THROUGH THE PROCESS. IF THIS MOVES FORWARD, I SEE THAT THERE'S A 15 FOOT VEGETATION SETBACK, THE TEN FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER, AND THEN ALSO THE RECOMMENDATION ON THE SP. I WAS JUST KIND OF LOOKING BACK AT A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY. YOU KNOW, I KNOW THIS IS MORE FOR FOR TRUCK AND BUS REPAIR. AND THE GUIDE IS AN AVERAGE OF 20 TO 25, BUT I DO IF IT'S AN SCP AND IT'S MOVED FORWARD I WOULD RECOMMEND THE 15, YOU KNOW, MORE. THE 15 TO 20, NOT NOTHING MORE OR LARGER THAN THAT. SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME COMMENTS. I JUST WANTED TO STATE KIND OF WHERE I AM LOOKING AT THIS PARTICULAR PARTICULAR CASE. I SAID, THANK YOU,OMMISSIONER CORNELIUS. REALLY WAITING TO HEAR SOMETHING THAT WOULD MAKE ME FEEL DIFFERENTLY ABOUT THIS CASE. UNFORTUNATELY, I JUST DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT'S IT'S A GOOD USE OF THE LAND. I, I LIKE WHAT'S BEING BUILT UP IN THAT AREA, BUT QUITE HONESTLY, I'M VERY FRUSTRATED WITH SEEING CAR WASHES IN. AUTO REPAIR. I THINK THERE COULD BE SOMETHING BETTER THERE, AND I JUST HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING THAT WOULD MAKE ME BELIEVE ANYTHING DIFFERENT. SO I JUST, I, I DON'T, I DON'T FEEL THE SAME. AND I'M PROBABLY LEANING TOWARD NOT, NOT PASSING OR NOT WANTING THIS ONE. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DUCKWORTH.THANK YOU SIR, WITHOUT REPEATING A LOT OF THINGS. I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER DALTON.
I THINK IN SPITE OF THE CONCERN OF NEIGHBORS FOR THE NOISE, I THINK THERE APPEARS TO BE A SIGNIFICANT DISTANCE BETWEEN THIS BUSINESS AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THERE'S PROBABLY A SCREENING WALL AT THE BACK OF THAT PROPERTY. SO I THINK IF WE'RE GOING FROM A FROM A RUNDOWN CAR WASH THAT'S NOT OPERATING WITH PERHAPSITH THE HOMELESS USING, I CAN'T SEE I CAN'T SEE THIS NOT BEING AN IMPROVEMENT TO THAT PROPERTY. AND I CAN ASSURE YOU, THE APPLICANT, IF SOMEBODY COMES BY IN 15 OR 20 YEARS, IT WANTS TO TRIPLE HIS MONEY, HE'LL HE'LL PROBABLY CONSIDER THAT. SO I THINK THERE'S GOOD USES FOR A PERIOD OF TIME FOR ALMOST ANY PROPERTY. AND I WOULD SUPPORT THIS APPLICATION. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS. YEAH, I'VE BEEN KIND OF ON THE FENCE ABOUT THIS ONE TOO. BUT LOOKING AT IT CLOSER AND SEEING THAT THE SOUND IS GOING TO BE DIRECTED AWAY FROM RESIDENCES, AND IF THE MAKER MOTION, YOU KNOW, PUTS A PROVISION IN THERE WERE NO OPENINGS WOULD FACE THE EAST AND THE SOUTH THAT WOULD PROBABLY HELP TAKE CARE OF IT. AND AND IF THERE'S A MY CONCERN ABOUT THE HEIGHT THING IS KEEPING IT IN SCALE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT SOME LOW SCALE BUILDINGS NEXT TO IT. AND MY MIND HAS TENDED TO WANDER, OKAY, THREE STORY. IF THERE'S THREE STORY, MAN, YOU COULD HAVE TWO STORIES OF TIRE STORAGE AND WE DON'T WANT THAT. SO MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE 20FT OR UNDER SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT THAT'S FOR THE MAKER OF THE MOTION. ONE THING I ALSO WANTED TO CLARIFY THE WAY OUR SCREENING REQUIREMENTS ARE WRITTEN IN THE GDC, THEY'RE VERY MUCH BETWEEN DEVELOPMENT TO DEVELOPMENT. THEY'RE NOT FROM USE TO USE OR DISTRICT TO DISTRICT. SO THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, IT'S LIKE, OH, IF YOU'RE A NONRESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT COMING NEXT TO A SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT, THIS IS YOUR SCREENING REQUIREMENT.
BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, IT DOESN'T REALLY FIT BECAUSE TO THE WEST IT'S IT'S AGRICULTURAL, BUT THERE'S A CHURCH IN THERE. WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY THAT THE SCREENING REQUIREMENT MAY BE A LITTLE VAGUE IN THE GDC, SO IF THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO
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PUT A CONDITION IN THE SP FOR SCREENING TO TO THE WEST OR TO THE SOUTH, THAT COULD BE AN ADDED SCP CONDITION FOR FURTHER PROTECTION. TO THAT POINT. SCREENING TO THE EAST. I WOULD PROBABLY OPT NOT TO MAKE IT A SOLID WALL THAT WOULD REFLECT NOISE BACK IN THE OTHER DIRECTION, AND THERE WAS SOME LANDSCAPING SCREENING AND. WHAT RIGHT. BUT BUT IT WOULD REFLECT IT BACK TOWARDS THE HOMES FURTHER BEYOND. BUT MY FEELING ABOUT THIS IS THIS IDEAL, WHAT WE WANT KNOW, IS IT A STEP UP FROM A VACANT BUILDING THAT HAS BEEN MISUSED RIGHT NOW? YEAH.SO IS IT NOT NECESSARILY A WIN WIN, BUT YOU KNOW, 60, 40 WIN KIND OF THING. SO AND COMMISSIONER PARISH. TO FINISH AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE ELSE I WAS GOING TO MAKE A. NO YOU'RE FINE. YEAH. GO FOR IT. THE ONLY THING THAT I WANT TO CALL OUT THOUGH, WE MAY I MAY NEED A LITTLE BIT OF HELP WITH SOME OF THE CONDITIONS THAT WE'VE SPOKEN ABOUT, BUT I WANT TO MOVE TO APPROVE WITH ONE THE SP AT. I'LL PUT IT AT 15 YEARS. AND THEN THE CONDITIONS THAT WE SPOKE OF. SO BUILDING HEIGHT AND SCREENING CONDITION AND THEN ALSO THE. ENSURING THAT THE. WEIGHT IS FACING NO WINDOWS AND THAT THE BAYS ARE FACING AWAY OR TOWARDS THE THE HIGHWAY. SO, SO LESSEN THE NOISE LIKE THOSE SOME OF THOSE ARE SOME OF THE CONDITIONS THAT WE SPOKE ABOUT. I MIGHT BE MISSING ONE, BUT THOSE WERE THE THREE THAT I WANTED TO BE SURE WE HIGHLIGHTED IN TERMS OF WINDOW, IF I MAY BE A LITTLE HELP HERE, HAVING WORKED WITH DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS THINK, OKAY, HOW CAN WE GET AROUND IF WE JUST SAY WINDOWS, THEY CAN PUT AN OVERHEAD DOOR IN THERE THAT'S NOT A WINDOW. SO I WOULD SAY OPENINGS ON PROVISION OKAY.
ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD TO THAT IN TERMS OF THE CONDITION. WELL DID YOU HAVE A NUMBER ON THE HEIGHT YOU WERE TRYING TO ADD THOSE PROVISIONS OR ARE YOU MAKING A MOTION? I'M TRYING TO ADD THEM AND MAKE A MOTION ALL AT THE SAME TIME. YEAH, GO FOR IT. AND I DON'T HAVE THE THE ACTUAL NUMBER TO RECOMMEND. OKAY. I'VE DISCUSSED LESS THAN THREE FEET. 20. WELL, COMMISSIONER DALTON AND COMMISSIONER ABEL I THINK WILL HELP YOU OUT HERE. THAT'S CORRECT. I WAS ONLY GOING TO COMMENT. THE OVERHEAD DOORS ARE NOT FACING THE HIGHWAY. THEY'RE ACTUALLY FACING WEST. NO, THEY'RE FACING AWAY. BUT I WOULDN'T WANT ANY ON THE OTHER SIDE TO FACILITATE CROSSING. EXACTLY. AND, COMMISSIONER ABEL, YOU WERE GOING TO HELP OUT WITH THE NUMBERS, I THINK. I BELIEVE THAT THE HEIGHT REQUIREMENT WE DISCUSSED WAS 20FT OR BELOW. I AGREE WITH THE 15 YEAR NO OPENINGS ON THE EAST OR SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING. OKAY, THIS IS THE ARCHITECT IN ME. THEY ARE GOING TO NEED A MAIN DOOR OUT OF THERE SOMEWHERE, AND THEY MAY BE ABLE TO PUT THAT TOWARDS THE FRONT. BUT AMANDA, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF AN EMERGENCY EXIT. IS THAT IS THAT ACCEPTABLE? YEAH. WE'RE MAKING SAUSAGE HERE, FOLKS. SO BUT I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE MOTION WAS GOING TO BE. IF I HAD TO GUESS, SPECIFY ANYTHING ON THE SCREENING PIECE, DO I? I DON'T THINK WALLS REALLY FIT IN, I DO I DO NOT THINK WALLS FIT IN. IF WE'RE GOING TO DO SCREENING LIVE SCREENING, FOOT LANDSCAPE. WHAT ARE YOU THINKING? I WOULD SUGGEST FOUR FOOT IN THE MOTION. YOU KEEP IT A LITTLE BIT CONCEPTUAL. SO CONCEPTUAL SOME SOME SORT OF LIVE SCREENING AS APPLICABLE.
AND SOMETIMES IT CAN BE DONE, WORK WITH STAFF ON APPROPRIATE. OKAY. SO WORK WITH STAFF ON APPROPRIATE LANDSCAPE BUFFER. I THINK IT'LL BE GOOD TO HAVE IN THE MOTION ON WHICH SIDE. SO WEST EAST AND SOUTH WOOD. IS THAT SOUTH. YES OKAY. WE'LL GET THERE EVENTUALLY OKAY. YOU WANT ME TO SUMMARIZE YOUR MOTION FOR YOU. AND THAT'S THE THREE PERSON MOTION. OKAY. IF I'M CORRECT, THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE THE SUPP FOR A PERIOD OF 15 YEARS WITH THE BUILDING
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HEIGHT MAXIMUM OF 20FT, WITH NO OPENINGS TO THE EAST OR SOUTH EXCEPT AMANDA IS REQUIRED BY BUILDING CODE AND WORK WITH STAFF FOR LANDSCAPE SCREENING ON THE WEST, EAST AND SOUTH SIDES. I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID. DO I HEAR A SECOND BEFORE WE ALL FORGET? OKAY. AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DALTON. ALL RIGHT. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? OKAY. I'LL SUMMARIZE THE MOTION AGAIN. SO WE ALL KNOW THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE THE SUPP FOR A PIOD OF 15 YEARS WITH THE BUILDING HEIGHT OF MAXIMUM 20FT, WITH NO OPENINGS ON THE EAST AND SOUTH SIDES, EXCEPT POSSIBLY AMANDA, AS REQUIRED BY BUILDING CODE AND WITH WORK, AND FOR THEM TO WORK WITH STAFF ON APPROPRIATE LANDSCAPE SCREENING TO THE WEST, EAST AND SOUTH SIDE. ALL RIGHT. THANK. GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND. MOTION IS TO APPROVE. IT PASSES 6 TO 2 WITH COMMISSIONERS CORNELIUS AND JENKINS IN OPPOSITION. THANK YOU. OUR NEXT[b. Z 25-37 Mission Ridge Consultants (District 7)]
ITEM IS ZONING AS ITEM THREE B ZONING CASE 25 DASH 37. HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER THE APPLICATION OF MISSION RIDGE CONSULTANTS REQUESTING APPROVAL AND APPROVAL OF AN AMENDMENT TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT ZERO FIVE DASH 36 TO ALLOW A WAREHOUSE OFFICE SHOWROOM USE.BY SP AND TO ALLOW COMMUNITY RETAIL USES AND OTHER PROVISIONS. A SPECIFIC USE PROVISION FOR WAREHOUSE, OFFICE, SHOWROOM USE, AND A CONCEPT PLAN FOR WAREHOUSE OFFICE SHOWROOM USE AT THIS LOCATION. THE SITE IS LOCATED AT 20 801 BELTLINE. THANK YOU CHAIR, AGAIN. I'LL BE COVERING FOR A MOMENT. WHO IS THE CASE MANAGER ON THIS ONE? SO THIS REQUEST HAS A FEW FEW DIFFERENT ELEMENTS TO IT. SO CURRENTLY THIS IS ZONE A PD ZERO FIVE DASH 36. SO A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT FROM 2005 THAT BACK AT THAT. AT THAT TIME IT WAS REFERRING TO HEAVY COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS. BUT IT ALSO SPECIFIED WHAT WERE THE PERMITTEDSES WITHIN THE PD AND WAREHOUSE OFFICE SHOWROOM WAS NOT ONE OF THOSE. SO NUMBER ONE, NUMBER ONE REQUEST IS TO AMEND THE PD TO ASK THAT A WAREHOUSE OFFICE SHOWROOM USE BE ALLOWED IN THE PD WITH AN SP NOT PERMITTED BY RIGHT, BUT WITH AN SP, AND THEN AMEND THE PD TO GO FROM HEAVY COMMERCIAL USES TO HAVE A BASE OF COMMUNITY RETAIL USES, WHICH WE CONSIDER TO BE LESS INTENSIVE. THEN THE THIRD FACADE IS THAT TO APPROVE THE SP FOR THE WAREHOUSE OFFICE SHOWROOM USE. SO THERE ARE MULTIPLE COMPONENTS WITHIN THE SAME REQUEST. OKAY, SO 2801 BELTLINE ROAD, MISSION RIDGE CONSULTANT IS THE APPLICANT, 1.45 ACRE.
AND AS MENTIONED, IT'S A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FROM 2005 ZERO FIVE DASH 36 WITH HEAVY COMMERCIAL USES ALLOWED BACK IN 2005. HERE'S THE ZONING MAP. AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS A NARROW, SKINNY SITE WITH THE BUILDING ALREADY IN THERE. THERE'S SOME PARKING, THERE ARE A COUPLE PARKING IN THE FRONT AND THEN SOME PARKING IN THE BACK TO THE WEST SIDE OF THE SITE. THERE IS SELF THERE TO THE SOUTH ACROSS BELTLINE THERE ARE APARTMENTS, AND ALONG BELTLINE THERE ARE DIFFERENT KINDS OF COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS AND USES THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN OPERATION. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THIS AREA IS DESIGNATED AS COMPACT NEIGHBORHOODS. SO COMPACT NEIGHBORHOODS PROVIDE AREAS FOR MODETE INCREASES IN RESIDENTIAL DENSITY, INCLUDING SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED AND SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOUSING.
SO MOSTLY FOCUSED TOWARD COMPACT HOMES AND HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, FOR THIS AREA OVERALL HAS ACHIEVED IT. THERE ARE DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS JUST FOR THE USES THAT ARE DIRECTLY ALONG BELTLINE. WE DO THINK IT IS APPROPRIATE TO HAVE SOME COMMERCIAL USES THERE, AS THOSE BUILDINGS ARE ALREADY DEVELOPED AS COMMERCIAL. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. HERE ARE SOME OF THE SITE PHOTOS. THIS IS HOW THE
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THIS IS WHERE YOU SEE THE BUILDING AND THE ACCESS AND OF ONE OTHER PICTURE. I THINK THAT IS SHOWING THE GENERAL AREA VIEW FROM THE SUBJECT. SIDE ENTRANCE LOOKING SOUTH ACROSS BELTLINE. AND THAT'S WHERE YOU COULD SEE SOME OF THE APARTMENTS. THIS IS THE CONCEPT PLAN, WHICH IS ALSO, I BELIEVE MOSTLY AN AS BUILT PLAN THAT IS SHOWING HOW THAT SITE IS ALREADY DEVELOPED. IT IS AN 18,000 SQUARE FOOT COMMERCIAL BUILDING, ONE STORY THERE, PARKING IN THE FRONT, AS I MENTIONED, BUT MAJORITY OF THE PARKING ARE IN THE BACK. IF YOU LOOK IN GOOGLE ALONG BELTLINE, THERE ARE CONTIGUOUS SHRUBS AND TWO TREES THAT PROVIDE FOR LANDSCAPING ALONG BELTLINE. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO A COUPLE THINGS TO POINT OUT WITH THE PD AMENDMENT. THE APPLICANT IS KIND OF OFFERING A SPECIFIC DEFINITION FOR WAREHOUSE OFFICE SHOWROOM, WHICH IS MORE STRINGENT THAN OUR REGULAR GDC DEFINITION OF WAREHOUSE OFFICE SHOWROOM BECAUSE IN OUR GDC OFFICE HAS TO BE 25% AND THEN THE REST COULD BE A WAREHOUSE.WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS PRIMARILY OFFICE AND PRIMARILY SHOWROOM AND WAREHOUSE, TO BE AN INCIDENTAL FUNCTION TO THAT BUILDING. NO MANUFACTURING IS PERMITTED. AND HERE I WOULD SHARE A LITTLE BIT OF DETAIL IN THE PAST THAT THIS BUILDING, FROM WHAT WHAT WE CAN RESEARCH WAS USED TO FOR A PROCESS WHERE THEY USED TO CUT STONES WITH A WET PROCESS. I'M NOT FULLY KNOWLEDGEABLE ON WHAT ALL THAT MEANT, BUT FOR OUR LAND USE PURPOSES, IT WAS MORE ON THE INDUSTRIAL SIDE THAN WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED. SO FROM A LAND USE SPECTRUM, WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED IS A LESSER INTENSIVE USE THAN WHAT THIS BUILDING WAS USED FOR BEFORE. THE APPLICANT IS NOT PROPOSING ANY CHANGES TO THE SITE. REALLY, THEY'RE GOING TO USE THE EXISTING BUILDING FOOTPRINT, THE EXISTING PARKING. THEY HAVE 39 PARKING ON SITE AND THAT WOULD BE SUFFICIENT FOR THE PROPOSED USE AND THE LANDSCAPING THAT THEY HAVE. THEY PROPOSE TO KEEP IT AND THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN IT. AND IF THE TIME COMES WHEN THEY HAVE TO EXPAND SOMETHING OR MAKE ANY IMPROVEMENTS ON THE SITE, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME AND BE COMPLIANT WITH THE GDC AS IT STANDS TODAY. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO WE DO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST. AND FOR THE SUB TIMELINE. AGAIN, THE GUIDELINE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ANY SPECIFICS ON THIS PARTICULAR USE. BUT SINCE THIS IS NOT INVESTING IN NEW CONSTRUCTION, THIS IS AN ADAPTIVE REUSE OF AN EXISTING BUILDING. WE DO THINK 1010 YEARS COULD BE CONSIDERED APPROPRIATE. AND IN TEN YEARS WHEN THE TIME COMES AND IF THEY COME IN FOR RENEWAL, WE WOULD HAVE ANOTHER CHANCE TO LOOK INTO OVERALL AREA AND HOW IT'S BEING DEVELOPED OR REDEVELOPED TO MAKE SURE THAT IS STILL A GOOD USE FOR THE AREA. RESPONSE LETTERS. WE SENT 41 AND WE GOT THREE IN OPPOSITION FROM WITHIN THE NOTIFICATION AREA. I WENT THROUGH THE THE THE PILE, BUT I DIDN'T SEE ANY COMMENTS. I ONLY SAW PEOPLE RESPONDING SAYING I'M AGAINST, BUT NO PARTICULAR COMMENTS MADE. AND WITH THAT, I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER JENKINS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU, MA'AM, FOR THE PRESENTATION. IT WAS VERY DENSE, JUST LIKE ME. SO I'M GOING TO BE SLOW AND ASK QUESTIONS THAT YOU'VE ALREADY ANSWERED. I JUST DIDN'T CATCH IT. SO THE APPLICANT IS ASKING FOR IT'S A FOUR PART REQUEST.
YES OKAY. AND THE REQUEST IS THERE'S AN EXISTING PD IN PLACE AND THE UNDERLYING ZONING IS CR.
HC IS HC. SO IT IS A CHANGE IN ZONING AS WELL AS AN AMENDMENT TO THE PD. SO BACK IN THE DAYS IT WASN'T AS STRAIGHTFORWARD BECAUSE CURRENTLY THE GDC HAS THE COMMUNITY RETAIL, WHICH WAS THIS GDC WAS FORMULATED IN 2015. THIS PD IS FROM BEFORE THAT TIME. SO SOMETIMES IT'S NOT IT'S NOT FULLY COMPARABLE. BUT THE TO THE EXTENT WE CAN COMPARE IT, WE WOULD SAY THE BASE ZONING IS HC, WHICH IS HEAVY COMMERCIAL. HOWEVER, THE PD HAD SPECIFIC USES LISTED AS IN, THESE ARE THE ONLY USES THAT ARE PERMITTED WITHIN THE WITHIN THE PD. I'M MAY BE ABLE TO HELP. EVEN THOUGH THIS WAS BEFORE MY TIME, IT WAS NOT UNUSUAL IN THOSE DAYS. OKAY, THEY WANT TO PUT STONE CUTTING IN THIS HEAVY COMMERCIAL. OKAY, ALLOW THEM TO DO THAT. AND THEN THEY SAID HEAVY COMMERCIAL, BUT THEY STRUCK ALL THE USES THAT THEY DIDN'T LIKE. AND I LOOKED AT THE USES ON THEM EXISTING PD AND THEY AREN'T THAT BAD. SO I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING THAT NEEDED TO BE STRUCK. SO THAT'S A GOOD POINT OF CLARIFICATION. SO THE APPLICANT IS ASKING THAT ALL
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THOSE THAT WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE PD ALREADY BACK IN 2005, THOSE STAY. AND THEN WE CHANGED THE BASE FROM H C TO CR. OKAY. SO JUST THINK OF IT AS A PD THAT HAS A BASE ZONING OF CR AND A LIST OF ADDITIONAL PERMITTED USES OKAY. AND SO AND SO THIS USE SO CHANGE IN ZONING FROM THE H NOT CHANGE. AND UPDATING ZONING FROM THE HC TO CR. AND THEN WE ARE ALSO BEING REQUESTED TO CONSIDER AN SUPP FOR THE CR USE THAT CONTEMPLATES THIS THIS USE. SO CURRENTLY A WAREHOUSE IS NOT A PERMITTED USE AT ALL. SO WHAT THEY'RE ASKING IS YOU AMEND THE PD FIRST SO THAT THIS USE BE PERMITTED WITHIN SUPP, AND THEN YOU APPROVE THE SUPP FOR THE NUMBER OF YEARS. SO TWO. PRONG THING THERE. OKAY. AND AND THEN THE CONCEPT PLAN THEN. WELL NOT NOT QUITE YET. THEN WE'RE ASKED TO REDEFINE A TERM THAT WE ALREADY HAVE DEFINED TO.BECAUSE IT'S MORE BECAUSE IT'S MORE STRICT THAN WHAT WE HAVE. WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS STRICTER, MORE ON THE SPECTRUM OF OFFICE SHOWROOM SIDE THAN ON THE WAREHOUSE SIDE. AND USUALLY IN THE PLANNING WORLD, OFFICE USE IS OBVIOUSLY LESS INTENSIVE THAN A WAREHOUSE. WE WE DON'T LIKE EMPTY SPACES, LIKE NOT SPACES THAT DON'T GENERATE ACTIVITIES. SO WAREHOUSE IS NOT TRULY SOMETHING FROM A LAND USE PERSPECTIVE. WE DON'T WANT THAT TO BE A DOMINATING USE. SO IN THIS CASE THEY'RE DEFINING IT. SO THAT OFFICE SHOWROOM BECOMES PRIMARY AND THEN WAREHOUSE BECOMES INCIDENTAL. SO RIGHT NOW WE ONLY REQUIRE THAT OFFICE HAS TO BE 25% FOR OUR GDC AND 75% COULD BE WAREHOUSE. SO THEY WILL HAVE LESS WAREHOUSE AND MORE UP BY THEIR DEFINITION.
AND PLANNING COMMISSION DOESN'T HAVE TO ACCEPT THAT DEFINITION. YOU CAN SAY, WELL, IF PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, YOU CAN SAY, EXCEPT FOR THE DEFINITION, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO DEFER TO THE GDC FOR THE DEFINITION. BUT I THINK WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING ACTUALLY MAKES IT A LITTLE BETTER OR A LITTLE BIT MORE ENFORCEABLE FOR US TO MAKE SURE IT'S AN OFFICE SHOWROOM FUNCTION. OKAY, I SAID I IT'S, IT'S A IT'S A LOT TO COMPREHEND IN ONE ONE REQUEST.
SO I TOTALLY GET THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFICATION. AND FOR PURPOSES OF THE MOTION, IT WOULD BE TO ALLOW OFFICE, I MEAN OFFICE, SHOWROOM, WAREHOUSE OR THE P B FOR THE WAREHOUSE COMPONENT ONLY. THE SP IS FOR THE ENTIRE USE WAREHOUSE, OFFICE, SHOWROOM.
ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE NOT SUPPORTING WAREHOUSE WOULD BE THE SHOWROOM OFFICE WAREHOUSE.
RIGHT. IT'S THE ENTIRE USE. YEAH. OKAY. THAT GOVERNS THE WHOLE BUILDING. SO THEY COULDN'T PUT A FULL SQUARE FOOT OFFICE. THAT IS CORRECT, SIR. GOT IT. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? I THINK THAT'S IT. I DO HAVE A CARD FOR THIS ONE. OH, GOSH. I'VE GOT A MASTER'S IN MISPRONOUNCING LAST NAMES OR ANY NAMES. THERE'S SOME. ABDELKRIM. TOOK ME YEARS OF COLLEGE TO GET THAT MASTER'S, AND I PUT IT TO USE EVERY TIME I CAN. AND NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ISSAM ABDEL KARIM. I LIVE AT 2110 MAPLE VIEW IN GARLAND, TEXAS. I AM THE ONE WHO FILED AGAINST THOSE THREE. VOTES. I REPRESENT. I REPRESENT ALSO BRIGHTER HORIZONS ACADEMY NEXT DOOR, AND WE HAVE A COUPLE CAMPUSES OVER THERE. I JUST WANT TO GO THROUGH QUICKLY OUR CONCERN ABOUT WHATEVER. I'M SORRY. I THOUGHT YOU WERE THE APPLICANT. NO, I AM THE EAR, THE NEIGHBOR NEIGHBOR. I'LL TELL YOU WHAT. I'LL CALL YOU BACK UP. BUT WE LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK FIRST. OFTENTIMES, THEY CAN SAY SOMETHING THAT WILL. NO PROBLEM, NO PROBLEM. I'LL BE BACK. ALL RIGHT. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? OKAY? I DON'T SEE THE APPLICANT COME BACK UP. I'M SORRY. OKAY, LET'S BE BACK. SO SHOULD I
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REPEAT OR SHOULD I CONTINUE? THANK YOU. I SAW SOME. YEAH. SO BASICALLY I'M REPRESENTING. I LIVE ABOUT TWO MILES AWAY FROM THE SCHOOL, BUT I'M REPRESENTING THE PROPERTY AND THE PROPERTY OWNERS. IT'S A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION THAT OWNS A BRITER HORIZONS ACADEMY. I JUST WANT TO MENTION A FEW THINGS THAT WE REALLY WANT TO MAKE SURE FOR NOW, IN A FUTURE DISCUSSIONS TO BE REMEMBERED. THERE IS AN EASEMENT BETWEEN OUR PROPERTY AND THE 2801. PREVIOUSLY, WHEN WE BUILT OUR SCHOOL AND WHATEVER NEGOTIATIONS WITH NEXT DOOR, THERE'S AN EASEMENT. IT'S ALREADY BUILT WAY BACK. IT'S FOR SCHOOL ACCESS IN THE MORNING DISMISSAL. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S STILL OPEN AND THE NEW APPLICANT KNOWS ABOUT IT. AND TO HONOR THAT ACCESS. AND IT'S IN SLIDE NUMBER SEVEN AND NUMBER SIX AND NUMBER SEVEN. ALSO I JUST WANT TO MENTION ALSO THERE IS A DAYCARE NEXT DOOR. THERE'S SCHOOL WITH DIFFERENT CAMPUSES SOCCER FIELD AND ALL THAT GREAT STUFF. IN REGARDS TO RESIDENTIAL I THINK WE SATURATED OVER THERE. THERE IS NO MORE BUILDING OR NEW ROOM FOR ANY, ANY MORE RESIDENTIAL OR APARTMENTS EXCEPT THAT LOT ON BELTLINE. IT'S EMPTY ONE. I DIDN'T DO. ANY COMMENTS. WE STILL VAGUE, BUT WHAT'S COMING UP AND I'M SURE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT IN A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION. WHOEVER IS GOING TO COME IN, WE CAN SEE WHAT THE BUSINESS IS COMING. THAT'S ALL MY COMMENTS. JUST REMEMBER, THE EASEMENT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING. AND WHAT KIND OF BUSINESS IS COMING OVER? WELL, LOOK, LOOKING ON THE EXHIBIT, SEE, THERE IS A 24 FOOT FIRE LANE AND ACCESS EASEMENT NOW THAT IS PLATTED ON THE LOT. OUR ZONING WILL HAVE NO EFFECT ON THAT. THAT REMAINS WITH THE PROPERTY. OKAY. PREVIOUS OWNER, THAT GRANITE PLACE BY THEMSELVES, THEY TOOK HIM ON THEMSELVES TO BLOCK IT. WE DIDN'T FIGHT IT FOR LOGISTICS. AND WE LIKE THE IDEA TO STARE. THE PARENTS GO IN A CERTAIN WAY, BUT IN THE FUTURE, THEN THE NEW TENANT, WHOEVER'S GOING TO DO ANYTHING IN THERE, NEED TO BE AWARE OF IT, PLEASE. WELL, IT APPARENTLY IS ON THE PLAT, OR AT LEAST IT WAS. AND YOU CAN CHECK CURRENT PLANS AND SEE IF IT'S STILL THERE AND IF THAT'S SOMETHING BEYOND WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE TONIGHT. SURE. I'M GOOD. ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER. I DON'T THINK MY QUESTION IS DIRECTED AT YOU IS MORE TO STAFF. DO DO WE KNOW WHAT BUSINESS IS BEING PROPOSED HERE? I'M NOT AWARE OF THE NAME OF THE BUSINESS, SIR. OKAY. SO WE'RE JUST LITERALLY BEING ASKED TO THE USE THE USE. CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING DOWN. I HAVE NO OTHER SPEAKER CARDS IN THIS CASE. ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO ADDRESS THIS CASE? SEEING NONE. COMMISSIONERS. COMMISSIONER JENKINS. YEP. HERE WE GO. THIS IS IN RESPONSE TO COMMISSIONER ABEL'S QUESTION IN THE EXHIBIT AT ITEM TWO OF LAST PAGE OF SUMMARY. IDENTIFY THE NAME OF THE BUSINESS, WHICH MIGHT GO TO SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS AS WELL. I THOUGHT I SAW THERE. IT'S IN THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT AMENDMENT NARRATIVE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT. THE VERY FIRST PAGE PAGE. EXCUSE ME. LINE ITEM TWO TWO. YEAH, YEAH. ARCHITECTURAL HARDWARE. I THOUGHT I'D SEEN THAT. YES, THERE MIGHT BE DOORKNOBS AND HINGES AND AND COULD BE, YOU KNOW, OTHER STUFF LIKE THAT. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? THE ONLY THING THAT I WISH THE APPLICANT WAS HERE, I LOOKING AT THE LAYOUT, I DON'T THINK IT WILL HAPPEN, BUT I WAS CONCERNED AS IF IF 18 WHEELERS COULD BE USED IN THIS LOCATION.IT LOOKS TO ME MORE LIKE AN OLD TRUCK MANEUVERING SIZE AND LAYOUT OF THE LAND AND. YEAH, WELL, IT WOULD PROBABLY DRIVE OVER ALL THOSE PARKING SPOTS, UNQUOTE. TRUE, COMMISSIONER DALTON. YEAH, THERE WE GO. YOUR YOUR CONCERN ABOUT LARGE TRUCKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. TYPICALLY SHOWROOMS, ESPECIALLY ARCHITECTURAL CONSULTANT, ALL ALL OF THEIR STUFF COULD BE BROUGHT IN THE BACK OF A PICKUP TRUCK, PROBABLY BECAUSE THEY'RE SHOWING ONE EACH OF WHATEVER THEY'RE REPRESENTING TO SHOW A PROSPECTIVE HOMEOWNER OR BUSINESS WHAT THEY CAN BUY.
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IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SELLING PRODUCTS OUT OF THAT LOCATION, AND IT'S NOT THAT KIND OF USE THAT WOULD HAVE TRUCKS GOING IN EIGHT TIMES A DAY. YEAH, AGAIN, I WOULD WISH WE HAD THE OWNER, THE OWNER'S REPRESENTATIVE, HERE, TO ASK A FEW MORE QUESTIONS. I'D BE A LOT MORE COMFORTABLE. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE NO OTHER. SPEAKERS. ANYBODY CARE TO MAKE A MOTION? MOVE IT FORWARD OR. OR HOW THEY MIGHT WANT TO DO ANYTHING? YOU WANT. OH, OKAY. I THOUGHT COMMISSIONER JONES WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING, TOO, YOU KNOW? OKAY. WELL, IF NOBODY'S COMFORTABLE GOING FORWARD, WE COULD USE A RARELY USED OPTION OF THE POSTPONING THIS ITEM AND WAITING TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT. COMMISSIONER ABLE, HOW LONG DID IT TAKE THEM TO? WE WOULD JUST DO IT TO A TIME DETERMINE WHICH I WOULD MAKE THE NEXT MEETING INSTEAD OF DRAGGING IT ON. BUT THEN I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE MOVE THIS TO THE NEXT MEETING, HOPING THAT WE CAN HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT. A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER ABLE, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DALTON TO POSTPONE THIS ITEM TO OUR NOVEMBER. I'VE GOT RIGHT HERE.ALL RIGHT. NOVEMBER 10TH MEETING. ANY DISCUSSION? ANYBODY WANT TO TALK ABOUT A MOTION TO MAKE ANOTHER MOTION OR ANYTHING? OR DO WE HAVE ANY SUBSTITUTE MOTIONS? ALRIGHTY.
MOTION IS TO POSTPONE TILL NOVEMBER 10TH. NO DISCUSSION. PREPARE TO VOTE. IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ALL RIGHT, I BELIEVE. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THAT WAS LAST ITEM IN OUR AGENDA. SO UNTIL OUR MEETIN
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