Nov 03, 2025 Work Session

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TO THE COUNCIL WORK SESSION FOR DOUBLING UP OUR MEETINGS TONIGHT DUE TO ELECTION DAY TOMORROW. BUT WE'RE THANKFUL THAT YOU'RE HERE WITH US AN HOUR EARLY TODAY. FIRST ITEM ON

[ PUBLIC COMMENTS ON WORK SESSION ITEMS]

THERE'S NOT CLOSED CAPTION ON THE SCREEN BEHIND THE MAYOR, SO THEY CAN'T EVEN HEAR WHAT YOU'RE BEING SAID, AND YOU'RE DEMANDING THEY READ LIPS WHEN YOU'RE SITTING BEHIND A SCREEN.

HOW CAN THEY PARTICIPATE WHEN THEY'RE AT HOME AND THEY'RE WATCHING IT ON THE TV? THE CLOSED CAPTIONING DOESN'T ALWAYS WORK. FOR FIVE YEARS. I HAVE FRIENDS WHO'VE ASKED CITY COUNCIL TO PROVIDE AN INTERPRETER SO THEY CAN COME TO YOUR MEETING. TWO WEEKS. THEY HAD. I HAD ONE TIME. THEY SAID IT WOULD TAKE A MONTH BECAUSE THEY'RE HARD TO FIND. YOU KNOW, THERE ARE VOLUNTEERS IN THE DEAF COMMUNITY THAT WILL INTERPRET FOR FREE. ALL YOU GOT TO DO IS ASK THEM. AND IF YOU ASK A DEAF PERSON, DO YOU KNOW SOMEBODY? I BET THEY HAVE TEN LINED UP THAT WOULD CARE ENOUGH TO COME DOWN HERE AND INTERPRET FOR THEM. THE CITY HAS TO ASK BECAUSE INTERPRETER CAN'T COME INTO YOUR ROOM UNLESS THEY'RE ASKED. BUT MOST OF YOU DIDN'T KNOW THAT. SO YOU DON'T PROVIDE IT. I REMEMBER IN IN 2012 LITTLE GIRL ABOUT YAY BIG TEN YEARS OLD WE WERE TOLD WOULD NEVER TALK. SHE WOULD NEVER PLAY. SHE WOULD NEVER GRADUATE SCHOOL. SHE WOULD NEVER HOLD A JOB. SHE WOULD NEVER GO TO COLLEGE. SHE WOULD NEVER. AND AT TEN YEARS OLD, SHE CAME INTO THE CITY COUNCIL AND SHE SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT? YOUR PLAYGROUNDS MAY BE ADA COMPATIBLE, BUT THEY'RE NOT ADA ACCESSIBLE BECAUSE YOU HAVE PEA GRAVEL ON ALL OF YOUR PLAYGROUNDS, AND WHEELCHAIRS CAN'T GO ACROSS PEA GRAVEL. SO YOU GOT THE RIGHT EQUIPMENT, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE THE MEANS TO GET THERE. AND SHE BECAME A THORN IN THE SIDE OF THE CITY COUNCIL UNTIL THEY SUDDENLY DEVELOPED A PLAYGROUND THAT WAS REALLY, GENUINELY ADA COMPATIBLE. SHE EVEN MADE THE NEWS, AND SHE WAS ON THE NEWS AT THE AUTISM SYMPOSIUM OVER IN SWEDEN, BECAUSE THE MOUSE THAT ROARED. SO I'M GOING TO BE YOUR THORN ON THIS ONE. SHE SHOWED ME HOW. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MA'AM. MADAM SECRETARY, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? YES, SIR. DANNY STARNES. NAME AND ADDRESS. FOR THE RECORD, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. DANNY STARNES, SIX FIVE, ZERO NINE FALLBROOK DRIVE, GARLAND, TEXAS. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, FOR ALLOWING ME TO SHARE MY CONCERNS WITH MD HEALTH PATHWAYS PROGRAM. THANKS AGAIN, MR. MAYOR, FOR VOTING NO ON THE MD HEALTH HEALTH PATHWAYS PROGRAM. AND THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN MOORE, FOR VOTING NO ON THE MD HEALTH PATHWAYS PROGRAM. I WOULD LIKE TO READ A SNIPPET OF COUNCILMAN MOORE'S COMMENTS HE MADE. AUGUST 19TH, 2025, DURING THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING WHERE THE VOTES TOOK PLACE, COUNCILMAN MOORE SAID, I TRULY BELIEVE THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, WE NEED TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND MAYBE TAKE A DIFFERENT APPROACH. AND THAT

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THERE'S NOT EVEN 1% HERE TONIGHT. THEY WON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON UNTIL IT HITS THEIR BILL. AND WHEN IT DOES, IF THEIR BILL HITS THEIR BILL, THEY'RE GOING TO BE LIVID.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE. BUT WHY SHOULD THEY BE THAT WAY? WE HAVE ENOUGH GOING ON ALREADY.

TAXES, INFLATION. THERE'S SO MUCH GOING ON IN OUR LIVES RIGHT NOW THAT NOBODY'S EVEN GOING TO KNOW THIS PROGRAM EXISTS UNTIL IT HITS THE BILL. THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE TO FIND OUT THAT WAY. FOR THE RECORD, I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN MOORE, AND UNFORTUNATELY, MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO WILL BE NEGATIVELY IMPACTED WILL BE OUR ELDERLY CITIZENS. AND THAT'S JUST PLAIN WRONG. DURING THE SAME COUNCIL MEETING, COUNCILMAN THOMAS ASKED DOCTOR PARROTT THIS QUESTION. SO IF 80,000 OPT OUT, THERE'S ONLY 1000 LEFT IN, YOU'RE STILL DOING IT. DOCTOR PARROT'S RESPONSE WAS, YEP. SO CONSIDERING MANY OF THE ELDERLY CITIZENS ARE ON A FIXED INCOME AND WILL MOST LIKELY NOT KNOW ABOUT THIS ADDITIONAL CHARGE, AND DOCTOR PARROTT IS WILLING TO CONTINUE THIS PROGRAM EVEN IF THERE'S ONLY 1000 PEOPLE ENROLLED. MAYBE A REASONABLE COMPROMISE WOULD BE TO AUTOMATICALLY OPT OUT OUR ELDERLY CITIZENS. THIS COUNCIL HAS ALREADY EXERCISED ITS POWER TO OPT PEOPLE IN. WHY NOT PROTECT OUR MOST VULNERABLE CITIZENS IN OPT THEM ALL OUT. IF THEY WANT THE SERVICE, THEY CAN OPT BACK IN THE CONTRACT FULLY SUPPORTS OPTING OUT AND OPTING BACK IN. IT'S ALREADY THERE. I MADE THE SAME REQUEST, ONE ON ONE TO BOTH DOCTOR PARROTT AND BRIAN DAVIS AFTER COUNCILMAN WOMAN. COUNCILWOMAN BEARD'S RECENT TOWN HALL, SO EVERYONE KNOWS THAT THERE'S A COMPROMISE ON THE TABLE. I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR ALL OF YOU. WHAT IS STOPPING YOU FROM DOING THE RIGHT THING AND PROTECTING OUR ELDERLY CITIZENS? IT'S THAT SIMPLE. IT'S NOT GOING TO HURT THEIR FINANCES ONE BIT. THANK YOU SIR. MADAM SECRETARY, DO WE HAVE ANY MORE SPEAKERS TONIGHT? YES, SIR.

MARY IHLENFELD. YES. I WANTED TO ALSO TALK ABOUT THE PATHWAY HEALTH PLAN THAT WE HAVE COMING ON. . I WANT YOU TO KNOW ABOUT A YOUNG MAN WHO'S JUST TURNED 19. HE'S GOT KAWASAKI'S DISEASE.

THEY'VE BEEN ON THE MARKETPLACE BECAUSE HIS DAD, MY SON, IS SELF-EMPLOYED. THE NEW MARKETPLACE WITHOUT THE SUBSIDIES JUST WENT UP ALMOST $4,000 A MONTH. BUT THE PATHWAY PROGRAM IS GOING TO HELP KEEP MY GRANDSON ALIVE. I AM AN OLDER CITIZEN OF GARLAND. I'M 65. I'M OFFICIAL. AND, YOU KNOW, I WAS RAISED THAT IF YOU HAVE, YOU SHARE. AND IF MY $3, MY $6, MY $9 A MONTH IS GOING TO MAKE SURE SOMEBODY OUT THERE HAS SOME FORM OF MEDICAL CARE THAT THEY CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE. TAKE MY THREE, SIX, $9 TO HELP THEM BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT GOD TOLD US TO DO. THAT'S WHAT JESUS TOLD US TO DO. THAT'S WHAT THE CREATOR TOLD US TO DO, IS TO HELP OTHERS. AND I SEE THIS PROGRAM AS HELPING OTHERS. NOT JUST MY GRANDSON, NOT JUST MY SON, BUT OTHERS. MY NEIGHBOR, MISS PATSY, WHO'S 93 YEARS OLD. SHE THOUGHT THE PROGRAM WAS GREAT, BUT SHE DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO DEAL WITH HOW TO GET IN. AND I SAID, MISS PATSY, YOU'LL BE AUTOMATICALLY IN IT. I CAN HAVE A TEXT, A DOCTOR, AND I'M LIKE, YEAH, OH, I DON'T HAVE TO GO DRIVE TO ONE. SHE THINKS IT'S GREAT. SHE THINKS IT'S GREAT. IT'S ONLY GOING TO COST YOU $3.

SHE CAN GIVE UP A PACK OF CIGARETTES FOR THAT. SO WHEN YOU'RE SITTING THERE LOOKING AT WHAT THIS MEANS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE ALL RIGHTEOUS ABOUT. WELL, I'M BEING OPTED INTO SOMETHING I'M NOT INTERESTED IN. THEN OPT OUT. TRUST ME, THE ELDERLY PEOPLE OF THIS COMMUNITY, WHEN THEY KNOW ABOUT IT, WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO USE IT BECAUSE IT MEANS THEY DON'T HAVE TO FIND A RIDE. UBER COSTS A LOT OF MONEY AND MOST OF THEM DON'T DRIVE. MOST OF THEM DON'T HAVE CHILDREN THAT CAN TAKE THEM TO THE DOCTOR. MOST OF THEM DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER MEANS. AND IF MY THREE, 6 OR $9 HELPS THEM GET THAT, TAKE MY MONEY, PLEASE. THAT'S WHAT THE CREATOR TOLD US TO DO, IS TO HELP IF THEY HAPPEN TO MAKE MONEY DOING IT. GOD BLESS THEM, MAN. JESUS DIDN'T ASK ME WHO MAKES MONEY OUT OF IT? THE CREATOR DIDN'T ASK ME WHO MAKES

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IN OTHER WORDS, NO ONE ASKED FOR IT. WHO BROUGHT IT TO THE COUNCIL? AND WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THAT YOU ARE THE NANNY STATE THAT HAS TO TAKE CARE OF OUR HEALTH CARE? DID THE CITY MANAGER CONSULT WITH OTHER LARGE CITIES? IF HE DIDN'T, THEN HIS CONTRACT SHOULD NOT BE RENEWED AND WHETHER IT MIGHT HELP A FEW PEOPLE IN THE CITY. IT IS NOT YOUR FUNCTION. AND WHY DID THE CITY OF MESQUITE CITY ATTORNEY THINK THAT IT WAS POSSIBLY ILLEGAL? THESE ARE THINGS YOU SHOULD THINK ABOUT AND YOU DON'T. IN ADDITION, YOU DON'T FORCE SOMETHING ON PEOPLE.

THAT IS NOT A MUNICIPALITY FUNCTION AND THIS IS NOT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. ALL RIGHT COUNSEL, WE'LL MOVE ON THEN TO ITEMS FOR CONSENT AGENDA. HAVEN'T SEEN ANY ITEMS BE PULLED, BUT YOU GUYS HAVE ABOUT AN HOUR AND 45 MINUTES BEFORE YOU HAVE TO PULL ONE THERE.

[1. All Abilities Committee]

IT'S OUR ALL ABILITIES COMMITTEE. AND WE HAVE A PRESENTATION HERE, I BELIEVE.

APOLOGIZE THAT THAT'S NOT ON THERE. YES. ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL, MR. MAYOR PHIL, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER HERE IN THE CITY OF GARLAND, WANTED TO ADDRESS THE QUESTIONS THAT MAY BE OUT THERE ABOUT THE ALL ABILITIES COMMITTEE. SO I HAVE A VERY SHORT PRESENTATION ABOUT THIS ITEM. SO ORIGINALLY THIS WAS FORWARDED TO COMMITTEE COUNCIL COMMITTEE ON JANUARY 6TH, AND IT WAS SENT BY COUNCIL MEMBER DUTTON AND MAYOR PRO TEM LUK AS A DISCUSSION ITEM. THE ITEM WAS DISCUSSED THREE TIMES WITHIN COMMITTEE AND AT THE MOST RECENT WORK SESSION THAT IT WAS DISCUSSED. IT WAS AUGUST 28TH, AND THERE WAS DIRECTION PROVIDED TO THE CITY STAFF TO FORM THE ALL ABILITIES COMMITTEE. AND SO, WITH THE HELP OF COUNCIL MEMBER DUTTON, WHO WHO SUBMITTED THIS FORWARD, WE UTILIZED HER RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW WE WOULD ESTABLISH A MISSION FOR THIS GROUP. SO TAKING THE THE REALLY THE CORE OUT OF WHAT THE MISSION WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE. ON ADVISING THE CITY COUNCIL AND STAFF ON POLICIES, PROGRAMS AND SERVICES RELATED TO ALL ABILITIES, COMMUNITY IDENTIFYING GAPS AND ACCESSIBILITY, AND SEEK TO BRING MORE INCLUSION WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. RAISE AWARENESS AND FOSTER UNDERSTANDING WITH THE ALL ABILITIES COMMUNITY AND THEN PROMOTING COLLABORATION BETWEEN SCHOOLS, THE CITY, NONPROFITS AND LOCAL BUSINESSES RELATED TO ALL ABILITIES GROUP. THIS IS UP FOR CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING AT THE COUNCIL MEETING AFTER THIS, AND IT IS APPROVED BY A RESOLUTION AND WITHIN THAT RESOLUTION, IT STATES THAT EACH ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, AS WELL AS THE MAYOR, WOULD HAVE ONE APPOINTEE FOR THIS, THIS BOARD. IT WOULD FOLLOW OUR TYPICAL BOARD PROCESS. HOWEVER, SINCE THIS WOULD BE STARTED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE YEAR, WE WOULD OPEN THAT APPLICATION PROCESS UP ONCE AGAIN FOR FOR THIS BOARD PROCESS, IF IT IS APPROVED BY COUNCIL, HAD A VERY SHORT PRESENTATION AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. COUNCIL. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILMEMBER MOORE THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

BILL, AGAIN, WOULD YOU KIND OF ELABORATE ON THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS COMMITTEEEE AND OTHER COMMITTEES THAT ARE PRETTY MUCH DOING THE SAME THING, IT SEEMS WE WE HAVE A REDUNDANT SITUATION HERE, OR THIS COMMITTEE GOING TO REALLY GIVE US SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT OTHER COMMITTEES ARE ALREADY DOING. COUNCILMEMBER MOORE, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN ANSWER THAT FULLY. I THINK THIS IS STILL SOMETHING IN ITS INFANCY, AND WE WILL NEED TO DEFINE WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE AS IT GETS ESTABLISHED. IF IT DOES GET ESTABLISHED, I WILL TELL

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THERE'S A SENSORY EVENT THAT'S COMING UP, AND THERE'S A GROUP THAT OUR SPECIAL EVENTS FOLKS DOES COORDINATE WITH AS IT RELATES TO TO TO THAT EVENT. SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, SOME OF THAT IS TAKING PLACE NOW, BUT THIS WLD BE A TOTAL DEDICATION TO ASSISTING THE THOSE WITH ALL ABILITIES WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU SIR. COUNCIL MEMBER DUTTON. THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER FOR US TO TRY TO HELP ANSWER. COUNCIL MEMBER MOORE'S QUESTION. THE POINT OF THIS COMMITTEE IS SO THAT PEOPLE WITH DIFFERENT TYPES OF ABILITIES OR DISABILITIES CAN HELP US REALLY DISCOVER THE THINGS THAT THEY NEED, SO THAT THE CITY IS MORE INCLUSIVE TO THEM. SO, LIKE MARY WAS SAYING EARLIER, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A LARGE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WITH DIFFERENT TYPES OF NEEDS IN MY DISTRICT. AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, BEING HANDICAPPED OR I'VE GOT DAVID, HE'S ON OUR PARKS BOARD, HE'S BLIND, I'VE GOT GRANT, HE'S DEAF. AND SO WE'VE REALLY RUN ACROSS A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT HAVE MADE US UNDERSTAND HOW THEIR WORLD WORKS. RIGHT. AND SO ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE ONLY RELATIVE IF IT'S PART OF YOUR REALITY. SO LIKE RECENTLY I HAD A TOWN HALL AND GRANT WAS IN ATTENDANCE. AND IT WAS VERY HARD BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE A TRANSLATOR. SO KNOWING, YOU KNOW, HE HE SHOWED ME AN APP THAT I COULD DOWNLOAD WHERE IT WOULD, IT WOULD HEAR ME SAYING WHATEVER I WAS SAYING AND IT WOULD, IT WOULD PUT IT KIND OF LIKE CLOSED CAPTIONING. BUT THEN WE RAN INTO A PROBLEM WHERE WE COULDN'T GET IT TO SHOW ON THE SCREEN. SO WE WERE TRYING TO USE THE TABLET. IT WAS JUST A WHOLE NIGHTMARE. AND SO THIS, THIS COMMITTEE WOULD BE ABLE TO HELP MITIGATE SOME OF THOSE PROBLEMS SO THAT WE ARE TRULY INCLUSIVE TO EVERYONE, NO MATTER WHAT THEIR NEED OR ABILITY OR ANY OF THOSE THINGS ARE. SO IT'S I DON'T I DON'T FORESEE BUNCH OF REDUNDANCIES BECAUSE RIGHT NOW I THINK WE HAVE A BASIC KNOWLEDGE OF SPECIAL NEEDS TYPE THINGS, LIKE WITH OUR, OUR CHRISTMAS, SENSORY FRIENDLY CHRISTMAS.

HOWEVER, THAT'S A SPECIFIC SENSORY FRIENDLY. RIGHT. SO THIS THIS COMMITTEE WOULD REALLY BE ABLE JUST TO HELP, HELP US UNDERSTAND HOW WE CAN ADJUST THE CITY WORLD. RIGHT.

LIKE OUR CITY BUILDINGS OR, YOU KNOW, WHAT GRANTS CAN WE APPLY FOR TO HELP GET DIFFERENT AUDIO VISUAL EQUIPMENT SO THAT THEY CAN PARTICIPATE BETTER AND JUST REALLY MAKE US AN ACTUALLY LIKE ALL INCLUSIVE CITY. SO THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER MOORE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. AND I HATE TO CHIME BACK IN AGAIN, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THE COUNCIL LADY HAS JUST SPOKE ABOUT PLACED ON YOUR SLIDE. I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. THAT'S WHAT MAKES THIS COMMITTEE DIFFERENT. THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT VIABLE. SO IF YOU WOULD, LET'S GET SOME OF THAT LANGUAGE ON THE SLIDE. THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU SIR.

COUNCIL ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT. THIS ITEM WILL THEN BE AN AGENDA ITEM

[2. Introduction of Julian Boring, Fleet Director]

HE HAS A VERY DIVERSE FLEET BACKGROUND, HAVING SERVED IN IRVING, DALLAS AND THE CITY OF AUSTIN. WHAT REALLY GRAVITATED ME TOWARDS HIS AUSTIN EXPERIENCE IS HAVING A FAMILIARITY WITH THE LANDFILL, AS WELL AS THE ELECTRIC UTILITY THAT WE OPERATE WITHIN GARLAND.

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YOU SEE, YOU WERE WITH THE CITY OF AUSTIN FOR HOW MANY YEARS? IT WAS ABOUT 12.5 YEARS. ALMOST 13 YEARS, SIR. AND YOU DECIDED TO MOVE AND ACCEPT THIS JOB IN GHANA? YES, SIR. TELL US WHY THIS IS WOULD NOT BE A STOPPING OFF POINT FOR BIGGER AND BETTER THINGS IN YOUR CAREER. BRIEFLY TELL ME. WHY DID YOU CHOOSE GARLAND AND HOW LONG DO YOU PLAN ON STAYING IN GARLAND? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. SO I PLAN ON STAYING WITH GARLAND AS LONG AS YOU'LL HAVE ME. THAT'S THE FIRST THING I AM 30 YEARS IN A VERY LARGE ORGANIZATION SUCH AS AUSTIN. MY ABILITIES TO MOVE AROUND THAT CITY BECAME KIND OF CONTRIVED, AND WHEN I WAS OFFERED A FLEET DIRECTOR POSITION, THAT IS THE POSITION THAT'S KIND OF THE UPPER TIER OF MY INDUSTRY. AND SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO BEING A DIRECTOR FOR THE CITY OF GARLAND, AND I DON'T PLAN ON GOING ANYWHERE ELSE. I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE MY CAREER. I'VE GOT A GOOD 15 YEARS TO GO AS FAR AS THAT'S CONCERNED, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED. THEN I'M GOING TO BE AT AN AGE WHERE I PROBABLY NEED TO STAY HOME AND RETIRE AT THAT POINT. SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SPENDING TIME HERE AS LONG AS GARLAND WILL HAVE IT. THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU, THANK YOU SIR. WELL, WE CERTAINLY WELCOME YOU HERE. AND HOPEFULLY 15 OR MAYBE EVEN MORE, MAYBE EVEN LONGER. YEAH, CERTAINLY DEPENDS ON EVENTUALLY I'LL BE READY TO RETIRE. SO. WELL, NICE TO MEET YOU. AND WELCOME TO TEAM GARLAND. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. NEXT ITEM

[3. MD Pathways Program Update]

MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I'LL, I'LL OPEN THIS ITEM UP. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'VE GOT THE TEAM FROM MD PATHWAYS TO HELP ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS. AND THEY'LL RUN THROUGH A PRESENTATION THAT THEY'VE THEY'VE PREPARED. SO SO DEFINITELY EXCITED ABOUT BEING HERE ON ON WORK SESSION TO TO TALK ABOUT THIS ITEM. SO I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME BUILDUP AS IT COMES TO THE PUBLIC OUTREACH RELATED TO THIS PROGRAM. IF COUNCIL RECALLS OUR FIRST STEP IN GETTING THIS PROGRAM AS A AS A PROGRAM WITHIN THE CITY WAS GETTING A CONTRACT SIGNED. AND ONCE WE HAD A CONTRACT SIGNED AND EXECUTED, WE WERE THEN ABLE TO WORK WITH THE MD PATHWAYS GROUP TO ESTABLISH A CLEAR, CLEAR MARKETING PLAN. AND SO WE'VE GOT A MAP OUT OF WHAT? NOT ONLY OUR PLAN FROM MUNICIPALITY LOOKS LIKE, BUT ALSO WHAT MD PATHWAYS OUTREACH TO THE COMMUNITY LOOKS LIKE AS WELL. WE'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK AT TWO TOWN HALLS RELATED TO THIS, AND WE HAVE ONE LATER THIS WEEK. I'LL TELL YOU THAT COUNCIL MEMBER BEARD'S MOST RECENT TOWN HALL. I LET THE FOLKS IN ATTENDANCE KNOW THAT MY GOAL IS, AND I SAY IT SARCASTICALLY, IS FOR PEOPLE TO BE FED UP OF HEARING ABOUT THIS PROGRAM BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A LOT OF OUTREACH ABOUT IT, AND YOU'LL SEE THE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE'RE GOING TO TOUCH THE COMMUNITY THROUGH VARIOUS FORMS OF MEDIA. BUT THERE ARE A COUPLE OF ESTIONS THAT HAVE COME IN FROM THE COUNCIL THAT I WANTED TO ADDRESS UP FRONT.

COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS, YOU ASKED ME EARLIER HOW MANY HAVE OPTED OUT OF THE PROGRAM AT THIS POINT AND HOT OFF THE PRESS, I JUST CHECKED, IT'S 2473 2473. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMAS, YOU HAD ASKED ABOUT PUTTING A. LINK ON THE. I DON'T KNOW IF LINK IS THE RIGHT WORD, BUT A INFORMATION SCROLL ON THE UTILITY BILL HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SIT DOWN WITH

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THERE IS A SMALL CITY IN ILLINOIS THAT THE FIRST WEEK THE VIDEO HAD 10,000 HITS. THE CITY WAS ONLY HAD ABOUT 12,000 HOUSEHOLDS. SO I THOUGHT THAT WAS THAT WAS REALLY GOOD. AND WE'RE DOING THE SAME THING IN GARLAND. WE'RE RELEASING A SERIES OF THESE VIDEOS THAT WILL BE ONCE A WEEK. WE CAN ADD MORE AND MORE, EITHER TO YOUR FACEBOOK PAGE OR TO PUT ON YOUR WEBSITE. JUST FRIENDLY LINKS SO PEOPLE CAN SEE HOW THE PROGRAM WORKS. AND THEN WITH THEHE EDUCATIONAL SIDE, OF COURSE, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, I'VE TALKED TO THEM MULTIPLE OCCASIONS. THEY'RE EXCITED TO SEE HOW THINGS GO FROM THIS POINT TO THE ACTUAL LAUNCH, AND THEN THEY WOULD LIKE TO ENGAGE WITH US IN SOME CAPACITY. AS YOU KNOW, THEY HAD A PROGRAM THAT IS NO LONGER FUNDED AND FOR STUDENTS TO HAVE ACCESS TO A SCHOOL NURSE THROUGH THEIR CURRENT PROGRAM. IT'S $20 A MONTH, AND THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A LOT MORE COST EFFECTIVE FOR THEM. SO THEN THE COMMUNITY SIDE, WE HAVE THE COMMUNITY WIDE ENTITIES, THE FAITH BASED GROUPS, LOCAL MEDIA OUTLETS, AND AND WE'LL DIVE INTO THOSE. AND THEN THE FINAL TOUCH POINTS ARE CHAMBER LUNCHEONS, WORKPLACE PRESENCE AND THEN SEASONAL CAMPAIGNS THAT WE'RE GOING TO LAUNCH. SO I WILL HERE IS WHERE WE'VE BEEN AND AND WHAT'S TO COME. THIS IS SORT OF OUR COMMUNITY OUTREACH GUIDE. WE DO HAVE WE HAVE MADE A HIRE. WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE NOW ACTIVELY YOU MAY HAVE SEEN THEM IN GARLAND THAT ARE HELPING US SPREAD THIS WORD, BUT MATT'S GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE MUNICIPAL OUTREACH TOUCH POINT. GOOD EVENING GUYS.

MY NAME IS MATT SPALICE. I THINK I'VE MET A NUMBER OF YOU COUNCIL MEMBERS, YOU KNOW, AT THESE MEETINGS AT TOWN HALLS, DIFFERENT EVENTS, STUFF LIKE THAT. BUT FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW ME, I'M MATT, A MEMBER OF THE MD HEALTH PATHWAYS TEAM. WE ALL HAVE A NUMBER OF ROLES WITHIN THE COMPANY, LIKE ANNOYING FILL ON SUNDAY NIGHTS, BUT MAINLY WHAT I'M MEANT TO DO OR WHAT WHAT MY MAIN ROLE IS, IS BEING BOOTS ON THE GROUND, COMMUNITY OUTREACH, CONNECTING WITH A LOT OF THESE COMMUNITY LEADERS IN DIFFERENT WAYS, COORDINATING DIFFERENT EVENTS AND MAKING SURE WE'RE DOING OUR JOB, GETTING THE WORD OUT. SO JUST TO TOUCH QUICKLY, THESE ARE JUST SOME OVERVIEWS OF SOME OF THE THINGS WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON WITH PHIL HIS TEAM AND TIFFANY VINO AS WELL. THESE ARE DIFFERENT CHANNELS THAT WE'RE MAKING PUBLICATIONS IN. WHETHER IT'S UTILITY BILLS, BOTH VIRTUAL OR, YOU KNOW, BILLS AND PRINTED ONES. THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME STORIES PRINTED PRETTY REGULARLY IN THE GARLAND CITY PRESS. THERE'S A FEW MORE. YEAH, THERE'S SOME UPDATES TO THE WEBSITE THAT ARE COMING SOON. SO HOMEPAGE BANNERS, CUSTOMER SERVICE PAGE, STUFF LIKE THAT. AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THE BILLS, WE'RE ALSO PUBLISHING SOME STORIES AND SOME E-NEWSLETTERS AS WELL. LIKE BRIAN MENTIONED, OUR TIKTOK PAGE IS POPPING AND SO WE WILL HAVE SOME SOCIAL MEDIA PRESENCE HERE, WHETHER IT'S FACEBOOK OR DIFFERENT AVENUES, JUST WAYS THAT PERHAPS SOMEONE WHO'S NOT SO INGRAINED ON, YOU KNOW, CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS, BRIEFINGS, STUFF LIKE THAT CAN MAYBE FIND IT CASUALLY SCROLLING, STUFF LIKE THAT. LASTLY, STUFF FROM US, CONTINUOUS SOCIAL MEDIA CONTENT, TOWN HALLS, THINGS LIKE THAT. I'LL HAND THIS BACK TO BRIAN. WE'RE ING TO PING PONG A LITTLE BIT, AND HE'LL TALK TO YOU ABOUT SOME OF HIS WORK. WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, AND AGAIN, I'M JUST GOING TO GO INTO. AND YOU ALL HAVE THIS THIS PRESENTATION.

AGAIN, WE DID NOT WANT TO NOR DO YOU WANT US TO TO GO THROUGH ALL 28 PAGES. BUT THESE ARE THE GOALS OF OUR OUTREACH. SO ENGAGEMENT METRICS, COMMUNITY PARTNERS, WE'RE TRYING TO TARGET 35 COMMUNITY COMMUNITY PARTNERS THAT WOULD BE ENGAGED BY DECECEMBER. SO FAITH BASED

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WE'RE GOING TO EVENTS. WE'RE GOING TO FOOD BANKS. WE'RE TALKING TO PEOPLE. WE'RE OUT AND ABOUT. WE'VE SEEN SOME OF YOU WHILE WE'RE DOING THESE THINGS. THIS IS PART OF OUR PLAN. AND KEEP IN MIND, WE ALL KNOW THE PROGRAM HASN'T BEEN ON A BILL YET. BUT THESE ARE THE THINGS AND THESE ARE THE STEPS WE'RE TAKING IN GARLAND TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY KNOWS ABOUT THIS.

THANK YOU. OH, THAT WAS THE LAST ONE. I. OH YEAH I WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT TALK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW WITH THE FOOD BANK, WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THE MENTAL HEALTH COMPONENT. I'LL LET DIRK TALK TO THAT, BUT TALK ABOUT THE FOOD BANK AND THEN I'LL I'LL LET DIRK TALK ABOUT SOME OF THEM. YEAH, SURE. SO WHILE THE PROGRAM IS FOR EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY, A LOT OF THE PATIENTS WE TARGET ARE UNDERSERVED OR UNDERINSURED RESIDENTS OF THE COMMUNITY. A LOT OF THEM CAN BE FOUND AT VARIOUS CHARITABLE ORGANIZATIONS, WHETHER IT'S PLACES LIKE FRIENDSHIP HOUSE OR GOODSAM, PLACES LIKE LIKE TRUSTED WORLD WHO ARE PARTNERS WITH A LOT OF THESE OTHER NON-PROFITS. OUR GOAL IS TO MAKE A PRESENCE THERE, NOTNLY TO KNOW THE THE PEOPLE WHO RUN THOSE ORGANIZATIONS WELL, BUT TO KNOW THE PEOPLE WHO ATTEND THOSE ORGANIZATIONS AS WELL. SO WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF VOLUNTEER DAYS AT GOOD SAMARITAN TO, YOU KNOW, INFORM THEIR STAFF OF THE PROGRAM, THE PILOT PROGRAM, AS WELL AS INFORM SOME SOME RESIDENTS WHO MAY COME THROUGH THE FOOD BANK. WE'VE MET WITH.

I'M SORRY, WHAT'S HIS LAST NAME? MR. GARRETT? MICHAEL GARRETT, TRUSTED WORLD. YES. SORRY, I FORGOT. MR. GARRETT, IF YOU'RE WATCHING THIS. FORGOT WE MET WITH HIM IN SOME WAYS TO TALK ABOUT SOME SPONSORSHIPS AND VOLUNTEER DAYS AS WELL. PERHAPS ALLOWING SOME SOME INFORMATIONAL MATERIAL TO BE DISTRIBUTED TO, YOU KNOW, RESOURCES THAT ARE GIVEN TO TO GARLAND COMMUNITY, STUFF LIKE THAT. A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE'RE HITTING COMMUNITY BASED, COMMUNITY WIDE ENTITIES. AND WE'VE STARTED REACHING OUT TO KIND OF THE HEALTH INFRASTRUCTURE OF GARLAND. WE'VE MET WITH THE HOPE CLINIC AS AN EXAMPLE. WE FOUND OUT THAT THERE WAS A 400 PERSON WAITING LIST TO GET INTO THE HOPE CLINIC. SO IF YOU WERE TO SIGN UP TODAY, THERE ARE 400 PEOPLE AHEAD OF YOU TO TRY TO TO GET IN BECAUSE THEY CAN ONLY ACCEPT SO MANY NEW PATIENTS. SO WHAT WE'VE OFFERED THE HOPE CLINIC AND WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT RIGHT NOW. WE'RE HAPPY TO TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR WAITING LIST UNTIL THEY CAN GET IN. AND SO OUR GOAL IS TO SIGN THOSE UP FOR THE EARLY LAUNCH, THAT SOFT LAUNCH. AND THEN HOPE CLINIC CAN ONLY TAKE CARE OF ADULTS. AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF CHILDREN OF THE PARENTS THAT THAT PARTICIPATE IN THE HOPE CLINIC THAT HAVE NO ACCESS TO CARE. AND SO WE'RE PARTNERING WITH THE HOPE CLINIC TO TRY TO TAKE ON THOSE PEDIATRIC PATIENTS WITHIN THAT COMMUNITY.

WE'VE ALREADY ALSO REACHED OUT TO A LOCAL MENTAL HEALTH PROVIDER. SO THOSE MENTAL HEALTH PATIENTS THAT REALLY NEED AN IN-PERSON VISIT, WE HAVE PATHWAY ALREADY DETERMINED THAT WE CAN GET YOU IMMEDIATE NEXT DAY HELP FOR THOSE MENTAL HEALTH PATIENTS.

SO WE'RE WORKING THROUGH ALL THOSE AVENUES. WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF SUCCESS AND A LOT OF COOPERATION WITH YOUR COMMUNITY HEALTH PROVIDERS. YEAH, I WAS I WAS GOING TO SAY WE ARE ALSO WORKING AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO REFER PATIENTS, BUT WE CAN RECOMMEND A LOCAL CHIROPRACTOR IN GARLAND THAT'S VERY HIGHLY RATED. WE'VE VETTED THIS OUTFIT. SO IF SOMEONE DOES CALL US AND HAS NECK BACK PAIN, WE CAN SAY, HEY, WELL, HERE IS A CHIROPRACTOR IN TOWN THAT WE'VE TALKED TO. WE HAVE VETTED THEM AND YOU MAY WANT TO GO SEE THEM. SO WE'RE TRYING TO SPILL THAT THOSE CALLS OVER INTO GARLAND PHYSICIANS THAT CAN HELP. SO I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A LOT.

I'M SURE COUNCIL HAS SOME QUESTIONS. THAT'S ALWAYS THE MOST IMPORTANT. SO I WANT TO OPEN IT UP AND SEE WHAT QUESTIONS YOU GUYS MIGHT HAVE AND PROVIDE SOME EXPLANATIONS.

YES WE DO. HERE WE GO. OH, COUNCIL MEMBER DUTTON. THIS MAY BE A STAFF QUESTION. SO THE ROLLOUT DATE KEEPS GETTING PUSHED AND PUSHED AND PUSHED. CAN YOU KIND OF EXPLAIN WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THAT COUNCIL MEMBER DUTTON I APPRECIATE THE QUESTION. I APOLOGIZE, I MEANT TO ADDRESS THAT AND IT WAS A GOOD REMINDER THERE. SO IF YOU RECALL, WHEN WE FIRST BROUGHT THIS TO COUNCIL, THE BIGGEST HURDLE THAT WE'RE ENCOUNTERING AS IT RELATES TO CUSTOMER SERVICE IMPLEMENTING THIS IS THE INTEGRATION OF OUR SOFTWARE, THE UPGRADE OF OUR SOFTWARE, I SHOULD SAY, THAT HAS BEEN PUT ON OUR TEST SERVER AT THIS POINT, AND WE'RE STARTING TO WORK THROUGH GETTING THE UPGRADE LIVE SO WE CAN GET THE NEW LINE ITEM ADDED TO E BILL.

WE'VE ALWAYS HAD A TARGET DATE OF SPRING, AND WE'VE SAID SUMMER IN CASE SOMETHING DOES HAPPEN. I THINK THOSE THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THE IT WORLD KNOW THAT THERE'S THINGS THAT CAN

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KIND OF. I'VE GOT OTHER COMMENTS ABOUT THAT, BUT I'LL LEAVE THAT OFFLINE. SO MY MAIN CONCERN IS THAT WE'RE COMING INTO COLD AND FLU SEASON. AND SO THAT'S WHEN OUR RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO BENEFIT FROM THIS PROGRAM THE MOST. RIGHT? WE'VE GOT KIDS THAT HAVE THAT GET STREP. I MEAN, IF YOU HAVE A CHILD THAT IS ANYWHERE REMOTELY CLOSE TO MINE, SHE GOT STREP, MONO AND THE FLU ALL AT THE SAME TIME. AND SO MY CONCERN IS GOING INTO COLD AND FLU SEASON. WE'VE WE'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH HELL AND BACK SINCE THE CONCEPTION OF TALKING ABOUT THIS PROGRAM. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT BE BENEFICIAL THAT WE'VE ALL GOTTEN OUR REARS HANDED TO US OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS. SO. I, I WOULD WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE FOR YOU GUYS TO DO I KNOW WE'RE OFFERING A SOFT A SOFT LAUNCH. OF THE PROGRAM FOR 10,000 HOMES.

HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT DOING JUST CAN WE TAKE OUT THE 10,000 HOMES SO THAT WE CAN GET THIS GOING FOR COLD AND FLU SEASON, SO THAT WE CAN SEE IF IT'S BENEFICIAL OR NOT? WHILE, I MEAN BECAUSE NUMBERS DON'T LIE, RIGHT? SO I WOULD THINK THAT FOR ANALYTIC PURPOSES, IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL IF WE COULD CAPTURE THE THE IF THERE WAS A BENEFIT AND A USE TO THIS PROGRAM DURING COLD AND FLU SEASON, WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE, INSTEAD OF HAVING TO WAIT ANOTHER FULL YEAR BEFORE WE KNEW REALLY WHAT WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE, AND IF IT WAS, IF PEOPLE WERE BENEFITING FROM IT AND USING IT, WHAT WOULD YOU GUYS BE OPEN TO SOMETHING LIKE THAT? SO COUNCILWOMAN, YOU MAKE A GREAT POINT. SO YOU WANT TO COINCIDE YOUR YOUR OUTREACH AT A HIGH NEED TIME. OUR ACROSS THE BOARD FOR OUR SYSTEM, FOR ANY DOCTOR'S OFFICE FOR MY E.R.

WHICH I'M GOING TO WORK A SHIFT IN TONIGHT. WE'RE ABOUT TO START OUR HIGHEST VOLUME TIME.

YOU'LL SEE THAT CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL STARTS HIRING MORE NURSES. AND DURING THIS TIME, BECAUSE THEIR CAPACITY GETS HIT AND THE WAIT TIMES AT CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL GO UP FROM TODAY AT ABOUT TWO HOURS IN THEIR E.R. TO 6 TO 8 HOURS IN THEIR E.R. DURING COLD AND FLU, OUR OUR M.D. HEALTH PATHWAYS IS FULLY HIRED AND PREPARED TO LAUNCH THIS WHEN COUNCIL SAYS GO. SO SO WE'RE READY TO GO IF IF THOSE AND ALL THOSE THINGS GET WORKED OUT, I WOULD LOVE NOTHING MORE THAN TO OFFER EVERY RESIDENT IN GARLAND THE ABILITY TO UTILIZE THIS SYSTEM DURING COLD AND FLU. BUT YOU CAN IMAGINE THE TREMENDOUS COST THAT I WOULD BEAR IF I TURNED THE THE LIMITED SOFT LAUNCH UNTIL EVERYONE IN GARLAND. IF I KNEW THAT GARLAND WAS READY TO PUT THIS ON THE BILL IN FEBRUARY, I'D BE WILLING TO MAKE THAT INVESTMENT IN GARLAND AND OFFER IT TO EVERY SINGLE INDIVIDUAL AT AT NO COST. LET THEM TRY IT, SEE IF THIS WORKS, AND IF THEY DON'T LIKE IT, LET THEM OPT OUT. BUT LET THEM. LET THEM USE IT TO FIGURE OUT IF IT'S WORTHWHILE. BECAUSE I'M SO CONFIDENT. WE'VE ALREADY SEEN THIS IN GARLAND. PEOPLE THAT UTILIZE THE SYSTEM JUST ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT. AND SO I THINK THERE'S NOTHING BETTER THAN TO GET THE DATA THAT GARLAND WANTS TO SEE IF THIS PROGRAM IS GOING TO WORK FOR GARLAND AND GET IT TO HANDS AND LET EVERY RESIDENT UTILIZE THE SYSTEM. I CAN ONLY DO THAT IF COUNCIL COMES BACK AND SAYS, HERE IS THE DATE. AND RIGHT NOW IT WOULD HAVE TO BE FEBRUARY FOR ME TO BE ABLE TO TO BEAR THE COST AND INVESTMENT IN GARLAND AND OFFER IT TO FREE TRIAL TO EVERY EVERY RESIDENT IN THE CITY OF GARLAND UNTIL FEBRUARY BILL DATE. IF GARLAND

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SO THAT'S AN ITEM THAT THAT'S ALREADY BEEN BUILT INTO THE SYSTEM. ONE THING THAT IF WE DO TRY TO MAKE AN AGGRESSIVE TIME FRAME LIKE THIS, I BELIEVE WHEN WE HAD KEVIN SLAY AND DANA MITCHELL FROM OUR CUSTOMER SERVICE TEAM, THEY TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE OTHER PROJECTS WE HAVE GOING ON IN CUSTOMER SERVICE. SPECIFICALLY, WE JUST AND I SAY WE STAFF BROUGHT TO COUNCIL THE APPROVAL OF OUR ARMY SYSTEM FOR THE ELECTRONIC READING OF WATER METERS AND ELECTRIC METERS. AND I'LL TELL YOU THAT THERE'S THERE'S FIVE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE WORKING ON THAT PROJECT, AS WELL AS WORKING ON THIS PROJECT AS WELL. AND SO IF WE HAVE TO PUSH ONTO A PROJECT LIKE MD PATHWAYS AND WE HAVE TO PUSH PER SE, THE ARMY PROJECT ASIDE, THAT MAY BE SOMETHING WE'D HAVE TO TALK TO COUNCIL ABOUT OF A CHANGE ORDER TO PUSH THAT PUSH THAT OUT. SO IT'S IT'S REALLY GOING TO BE THE CAPACITY WE CAN HANDLE WITH THE STAFF THAT WE HAVE WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT. SO WE HAVE PEOPLE IN HOUSE THAT ARE WORKING ON THE LINE ITEM FOR MD PATHWAYS. NO, MA'AM. THEY'RE TESTING THE PATCH PATCHES THAT ARE COMING IN THROUGH THE US SYSTEM. SO US IS GOING TO BE THE GROUP THAT ACTUALLY ADDS THE LINE ITEM ON RIGHT NOW.

WE'RE STILL DOING THE UPGRADE TO THE SYSTEM TO BE ABLE TO ADD THE LINE ITEM ON, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. SO WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE ACTIVELY WORKING ON MD PATHWAYS, THINGS THAT WOULD TAKE AWAY FROM THE ELECTRIC METERS. THEY ARE NOT ACTIVELY WORKING ON MD, MD PATHWAYS AT THIS TIME.

THEY'RE WORKING ON THE ARMY PROJECT RIGHT NOW. OKAY, SO. SO PUSHING THE TIMELINE FROM WHAT WE'VE CONVERSED ABOUT IS ON THE SOFTWARE COMPANY, CORRECT. SO WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING ON THE SOFTWARE BECAUSE THAT'S THE SOFTWARE COMPANY THAT WE'RE PAYING. RIGHT? SO.

I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WE WOULD BE TAKING AWAY BECAUSE ONCE WE GOT IT ROLLED OUT, WE'VE ALREADY HAD THE CONVERSATION. THE MD PATHWAYS WOULD HAVE PEOPLE TO ANSWER THE PHONE CALLS AT CUSTOMER SERVICE. RIGHT. SO THAT'S THEIR. SORRY, GET A LITTLE CRAZY THAT THAT DOESN'T TAKE AWAY FROM OUR STAFF BECAUSE THEY HAVE ALREADY AGREED TO HAVE PEOPLE HANDLE THAT. SURE. SO THE PHONE CALLS, IF I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION, THE PHONE CALLS, THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER GROUP THAT IS ON A DIFFERENT FLOOR WITHIN CUSTOMER SERVICE. WE HAVE A GROUP THAT WE REALLY CALL UP. I BELIEVE WE CALL THEM OUR SOLUTIONS GROUP WITHIN CUSTOMER SERVICE AND THEY HELP MANAGE THE SOFTWARE. SO THE STEP THAT WE'RE TAKING RIGHT NOW IS THE PATCHES ARE COMING OUT FOR THE SOFTWARE. SINCE WE ARE VERSIONS BEHIND, WE'RE CATCHING UP THE SYSTEM BECAUSE WE CAN'T ADD ANYTHING TO THE SYSTEM RIGHT NOW. SO WE CAN'T ADD THAT LINE ITEM TO THE BILL UNTIL WE HAVE THE SYSTEM CAUGHT UP. SO THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE ACTIVELY WORKING ON.

THEY'RE NOT WORKING ON MD PATHWAYS PER SE. THEY'RE WORKING ON TESTING OF THE SYSTEM AS WELL AS THE ARMY PROJECT SIMULTANEOUSLY, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. WHAT DO YOU MEAN WHEN YOU SAY PATH PATCH? SO IT'S THE UPGRADES TO THE SYSTEM THAT ARE THAT ARE TAKING PLACE, SIMILAR TO WHEN MICROSOFT RELEASES AN UPDATE TO TO YOUR WINDOWS VERSION, YOUR IPHONE.

IF YOU'RE AN IPHONE USER OR SENDS OUT UPDATES, THOSE ARE THE UPDATES THAT WE'RE PROVIDING TO OUR VERY LARGE SYSTEM THAT WE'VE WHEN I SAY WE CUSTOMER SERVICE IS DUBBED AS THE WEB. IT'S CONNECTED SO MUCH THROUGH OUR UTILITY SYSTEMS AND OUR CUSTOMER SERVICE SYSTEM. I MEAN, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE A PAIN IN THE REAR, BUT I MEAN, MY IPHONE TELLS ME I UPGRADE, I PUSH, AND I SET IT DOWN, I WALK AWAY SO I DON'T IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME THAT LIKE, DO WE JUST HAVE LIKE FIVE PEOPLE THAT ARE SITTING THERE AND THEY'RE LIKE, OH, WELL, LET'S LET'S SEE

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I TAKE IT TO THE RECYCLE BIN ONCE A MONTH AND THAT'S IT. NOT EVERYONE LOOKS ONLINE TO PAY THEIR THEIR UTILITY BILL, RIGHT? I USE MY APP SO I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. WE CAN PUT WE CAN PUT A RED FLASHING LIGHT ON ON THE WEBSITE. BUT HOW IS THAT GOING TO TRANSLATE TO US? THERE'S PROBABLY GOING TO TAKE US SIX MONTHS FOR US TO ADD THAT LINE ITEM ON THE FLASHING THING ON THE APP, I DON'T KNOW. SO ONE THING THAT I WOULD LIKE US TO DO, WHETHER IT'S MD PATHWAYS OR US AS A CITY, IS TO SEND OUT A LETTER TO EVERY HOUSEHOLD THAT

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THIS IS WHAT YOU CAN EXPECT FROM THE PROGRAM. HERE'S HOW TO OPT OUT. IF YOU'VE GOT QUESTIONS, HERE'S HOW TO CONTACT US. I WOULD LIKE THAT IN A CITY ENVELOPE BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT YOUR MAIL, WHAT ARE YOU I PULL MY MAIL OUT AND THIS IS WHAT I DO. I'LL TOLLWAY. NO.

ELECTION STUFF, NO PROPOSITION EIGHT LIKE IT. JUST ALL WHATEVER. BUT WHEN I SEE SOMETHING THAT CAME FROM THE CITY OF GARLAND BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAPPEN OFTEN, IT CATCHES MY ATTENTION. RIGHT? SO IF IEE THAT CITY SEAL ON IT, I'M MORE APT TO STOP WHAT I'M DOING, OPEN IT AND SEE WHAT IT SAYS. SO I FEEL LIKE THE GENERAL PUBLIC WOULD BE THE SAME WAY WE RECENTLY DID IT WITH OUR OUR LEAD PIPE TESTING, RIGHT? SO IT WENT OUT TO EVERY HOUSEHOLD AND THERE WAS A WHOLE UPROAR ABOUT BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T KNOW HOW TO READ IT OR WHATEVER. IT WAS CONFUSING. ANYWAY, THE POINT IS, IF IT COMES WITH THE CITY SEAL ON IT, PEOPLE ARE MORE LIKELY TO READ IT. AND IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOUR DISABLED, YOU'RE OLD, YOU'RE ON MEDICARE. WHATEVER YOU GET THAT LETTER, YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK AT IT. SO I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE A GOOD SAFETY N NET PER SE, TO MAKE SUE THAT WE ARE LITERALLY DOING EVERY POSSSSIBLE THING SO THAT O ONE IS BLINDSIDED BY THE PROGRAM ROLLING OUT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. COUNCILMEMBER MOORE, ALREADY I JUST GO IN THE ORDER IT TELLS ME HERE. GOOD EVENING GENTLEMEN, AND WE DO APPRECIATE YOUR BEING HERE ONCE AGAIN TO EXPLAIN THE MD PATHWAYS PROGRAM. I THINK THAT YOU ALREADY KNOW WHO I AM AND HOW I HAVE STOOD ON THIS POSITION. ONE OF OUR CONSTITUENTS, MR. STEARNS, HAS ALREADY READ OFF THIS EVENING KIND OF WHAT I STATED WHEN WE FIRST BEGAN THIS. AT THE SAME TIME, THIS COUNCIL HAS VOTED TO GO FORWARD WITH THE MD HEALTH PATHWAY PROGRAM, AND AT THIS POINT, I'M GOING TO DO EVERYTHING THAT I POSSIBLY CAN TO ASSURE THAT THAT PROGRAM IS SUCCESSFUL. AT THE SAME TIME, I DO HAVE CONSTITUENTS THAT ARE STILL ASKING QUESTIONS, AND ONE OF WHICH I'M GOING TO ASK YOU, PHIL, TO EXPLAIN SO THAT THEY WILL KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT ENTAILS. I THINK SOME OF MY CONSTITUENTS ON THE IMPRESSION THAT IF OUT OF 80,000 HOMES, IF 79,999 OF THOSE HOMES OPT OUT OF THIS PLAN, I THINK THAT THEY STILL THINK THAT THAT MEANS THAT THIS PROGRAM WILL NOT WORK FOR. IS THAT OR IS THAT NOT TRUE? WITHIN THE CONTRACT, THERE'S NOT A MINIMUM OR MAXIMUM NUMBER THATAT HAS TO BE ESTABLISHED FOR THE PROGRAM TO BE IN EXISTENCE. IF THAT ANSWERS YOUQUESTION, COUNCILMEMBER, WHICH MEANS THAT REALLY, IF THERE WERE ONLY 100 HOMES LEFT IN THE PROGRAM, THE PROGRAM WOULD CERTAINLY STILL BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD, CORRECT? YES, SIR. OKAY. NOW, THAT MEANS THEN, THAT THE ONLY WAY THAT THIS PROGRAM WILL NOT GO FORWARD IS THAT THIS COUNCILMAN WOULD VOTE IT NOT TO GO FORWARD. AND I'M JUST GOING TO MAKE A SUPPOSITION. AND THAT IS THE ONLY WAY THIS COUNCIL AT THIS POINT WOULD VOTE FOR THAT IS THAT THE PATHWAY HAD VIOLATED SOME LAW OR DONE SOMETHING THEY SHOULD NOT DO OTHERWISE. THAT IS THE ONLY WAY THAT THIS PROGRAM WOULD NOT GO FORWARD. IS THAT CORRECT? WITHIN THE AGREEMENT, THE COUNCIL HAS THE ABILITY TO CANCEL THE CONTRACT. IT DOES NOT. AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. CITY ATTORNEY ENGLAND. BUT THERE IS AN ABILITY TO CANCEL THE THE AGREEMENT AS WE DO WITH WITH ANY OTHER AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE WITHIN THE CITY, AND IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE DUE TO A VIOLATION OF OF LAW OR ANYTHING OF THAT OF THAT NATURE. OKAY. EVEN A COURT ORDER WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO STOP THIS PLAN. AT THIS POINT. I CANNOT ANSWER THAT. I WOULD HAVE TO GET BACK WITH YOU ON THAT, SIR. NO, I THINK A COURT ORDER MIGHT DO IT. JUST GETTING THE RECORD STRAIGHT. I WAS JUST GETTING THE RECORD STRAIGHT BECAUSE I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT, AS HAS ALREADY BEEN STATED, ONE OF OUR ONE OF YOU STATED THAT YOU'RE GETTING A LOT OF CALLS ABOUT HOW TO OPT OUT. AND I REALLY THINK THAT WE WANT TO BE CAREFUL WHEN WE MAKE SUCH STATEMENTS AS THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE TO EXPLAIN WHAT THEY'RE OPTING OUT OF UNTIL THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE OPTING OUT OF. AND I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S REALLY A WAY TO TO PHRASE IT. NO, THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE TO IN REALLY. THEY SHOULD

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IT'S HERE TO STAY. UNLESS, OF COURSE, THIS COUNCIL VOTES OTHERWISE. THAT BEING THE CASE, SIX MONTHS EVEN DOWN THE ROAD. WE CALLED A TRIAL PERIOD. BUT IN FACT, THIS PLAN IS HERE. AND BASED ON WHAT I'M HEARING NOW, WE NOT ONLY WANT IT TO BE HERE NOW WITHIN SIX MONTHS, WE REALLY WOULD LIKE FOR IT TO DO THINGS THAT WILL MAKE IT TAKE PLACE TOMORROW IF POSSIBLE. I'M VERY CAUTIOUS ABOUT THAT BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE A PUBLIC THAT DOES NOT TRUST. WE ALREADY HAVE A PUBLIC THAT FEELS THAT WE'RE DOING THINGS, THAT WE'RE PUSHING IT DOWN THEIR THROAT AND MAKING THEM ACCEPT SOMETHING THAT THEY DIDN'T REALLY WANT. AND SO I SAY WITH THAT, WE SHOULD BE CAUTIOUS. I DO FEEL THAT YES, RIGHT NOW WOULD BE A VERY GOOD TIME IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS PLAN, IF WE GO THROUGH THE WINTER MONTHS, WE THIS IS A GOOD TIME FOR IT TO BE PHASED, PHASED IN AND US TO REALLY SEE WHAT THE IMPACTS ARE GOING TO BE. BUT I WOULD NOT BE ONE WHO WOULD SAY NO, WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING AND MAKE IT HAPPEN TOMORROW. I THINK THAT WE NEED TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS THAT WE HAVE LAID OUT FOR OUR PUBLIC AND ALLOW THEM TO ENTER INTO THIS THING IN SUCH A MANNER THAT IT'S NOT THINGS THEY DON'T REALLY FEEL. IT'S BEING FORCED, SO TO SPEAK. WITH THAT, MR. MAYOR, THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU, SIR. COUNCILMEMBER THOMAS. THANK YOU. AS AN IT PROFESSIONAL MYSELF, I WILL TRY TO SPEAK TO SOME OF THE THINGS WE'VE HEARD HERE. YOUR POINT ABOUT IT TAKES TIME TO PATCH THE SOFTWARE. IT DOES. I DO THIS ALL THE TIME. WE WE DO PATCHES AT WORK. WE TEST IT FOR A LONG TIME BEFORE WE PUT IT IN THE HANDS OF THE USER, BECAUSE THE LAST THING YOU WANT TO DO IS PUT IT OUT THERE AND THEN HAVE IT NOT WORK. IT'S GOT TO WORK THE FIRST TIME. AND WE HAVE TEST SERVERS, WE DO PATCHES, WE DO TESTING, WE DO VERY RIGOROUS TESTING. WE HAVE PEOPLE IN THE ORGANIZATION WHO DO THIS EVERY DAY THAT ARE KIND OF OUR TRUSTED TESTERS. WHEN WE SAY, HEY, WE GOT A NEW FEATURE WE'RE ROLLING OUT, LET'S TEST, LET'S MAKE SURE TRY TO BREAK.

IT IS WHAT WE TELL THEM TO DO. AND WHEN THEY CAN NO LONGER BREAK IT, WE'VE PATCHED ALL THE PATCHES, FIXED ALL THE HOLES, THEN WE ROLL OUT. AS MUCH AS I'D LIKE TO SEE US RIP THE BAND AID OFF AND GET THIS GOING TOMORROW, I WANT TO BE CAUTIOUS THAT THE SOFTWARE NEEDS TO BE RIGHT BEFORE WE EVEN THINK ABOUT GOING FORWARD. IT'S GOT TO BE. AND SO I DON'T KNOW. I KNOW THAT'S HOW MANY FEEL. DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY WEEKS OR MONTHS? OR DO WE HAVE AN ANTICIPATED DATE WHEN THE PATCHING IS ALL GOING TO BE DONE? IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE PATCHES WILL BE COMPLETE BY THE END OF THE YEAR. THAT WAS THE END OF THE CALENDAR YEAR. THAT WAS THE GOAL FOR THE PATCHES TO BE DONE. YES, SIR. OKAY. VERY GOOD. I, I JUST WANT TO, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO SET THAT EXPECTATION THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE READY TO DO ANYTHING TILL END OF THE CALENDAR YEAR. BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT COLD AND FLU SEASON IS UPON US, AND GATHERING THAT DATA WILL CERTAINLY HELP US UNDERSTAND WHETHER THIS IS TRULY THE THE GOOD THING THAT MOST OF US THINK IT'S GOING TO BE. AND SO I, I KNOW THERE'S A BALANCE THERE ABOUT CAPTURING THAT AND AND ROLLING IT OUT FOR MORE THAN 10,000 IS WOULD BE WOULD BE DIFFICULT. AND SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE 10,000 FOR A SECOND.

DO YOU HAVE DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY OF THE 10,000 HAVE ENROLLED OR, OR OPTED IN, OR HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE USING IT? OR HOW DO WE KNOW WE JUST STARTED THAT PROCESS REALLY ABOUT A WEEK AGO, IN CONJUNCTION WITH HIRING OF THE COMMUNITY LIAISON. SO WE'VE PROBABLY HAD JUST A FEW HUNDRED PEOPLE THAT WE'VE SEEN ON THE SYSTEM FROM THE COMMUNITY. I THINK, TO SPEAK TO BOTH YOUR COUNCILMAN THOMAS AND MOORE'S POINT, IF ANY COMMUNITY, I THINK WHERE THERE'S CONFUSION AND IT'S YOU GUYS ARE AT A CHALLENGE IS IT'S HARD TO SET A AN OFFICIAL LAUNCH DATE. BUT WHENEVER YOU CAN DO THAT, YOU CAN SET AN OFFICIAL DATE THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE THE DATE THAT THIS GOES ON A BILL. I THEN AS AN ORGANIZATION CAN SAY, LET'S BRING EVERYONE ON UP UNTIL THAT DATE. BUT, YOU KNOW, IF I FOR ME AS AN ORGANIZATION THAT THAT I HEAR, WELL, MAYBE, MAYBE IT'S SPRING, MAYBE IT'S SUMMER, MAYBE IT'S END OF SUMMER, IT'S REALLY HARD FOR ME TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S THE INVESTMENT I NEED TO MAKE AS AN ORGANIZATION, TO JUST OFFER THIS TO EVERY RESIDENT IN IN GARLAND. AND THAT'S REALLY MY

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HERE'S THE EMAIL TO EMAIL IN TO OPT OUT. BUT UNTIL ALL THOSE THINGS ARE IN PLACE, ALL ALL THIS INFORMATION IS VERY CONFUSING TO THE PUBLIC AND I THINK IT HAS. EVERYTHING HAS TO COINCIDE. THIS IS THE LAUNCH DATE. LET'S OFFER IT TO EVERY SINGLE INDIVIDUAL TO GET THERE.

SO EVERY SINGLE INDIVIDUAL CAN MAKE THAT INFORMED DECISION. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE STRUGGLING WITH RIGHT NOW IN THE COMMUNITY. IS IT. THERE'S SOME CONFUSION. YEAH I AGREE, BUT MY THING IS, IS THAT YOU DON'T PUT TOGETHER A COMMUNITY OUTREACH PROGRAM. I'M GLAD TO SEE THIS IS COMING TO LIGHT. THIS IS OUR FINAL PROGRAM. THIS IS HOW WE'RE GOING TO GO FORWARD. BUT WE DON'T CREATE THIS PROGRAM AND THEN HOPE THAT THE COUNCIL WILL VOTE SO THAT IT FITS THE PROGRAM, COUNCIL VOTES. AND THEN WE CREATE A PROGRAM. AND SO WHY HAVEN'T WE TOLD THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THIS IS IS, YOU KNOW, NOT A VALID POINT TO MY MY MIND BECAUSE WHAT DO WE TELL THE COMMUNITY ABOUT UNTIL AFTER COUNCIL VOTES UNTIL AFTER THE CONTRACTS ARE SIGNEDED. AND AND SO NOW IS THE TIME TO DO YOU DO YOUR OUTREACH AFTER YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE REACHING OUT ABOUT. AND SO I'M REALLY GLAD TO SEE THIS COMING TO LIGHT. I HOPE THIS WILL BE PART OF ALL OF THE TOWN HALLS COMING UP IN THE FUTURE. THINGS THAT WE GO AND EXPLAIN. HERE'S ALL THE WAYS WE'RE GOING TO REACH OUT. YOU'RE LIKELY TO SEE THIS IN SEVERAL PLACES. AND, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK I AGREE WITH THE PROGRAM, I MEAN, THE SCHEDULE, WE'RE STILL PUTTING THIS IN THE CITY PRESS IN THE JULY AUGUST ISSUE. SO I HOPE BY THEN WE'VE GOT IT. WE'VE GOT IT UP AND ROLLING LONG BEFORE THEN. BUT TO KEEP INFORMING PEOPLE, I THINK THAT'S NOT A BAD THING.

WE CAN AFFORD SPACE IN THAT BIG NEWSPAPER. SO SOMETHING ELSE I'VE HEARD THAT THIS IS JUST A TEXTING SERVICE AND OLD PEOPLE DON'T KNOW HOW TO TEXT. I CAN TELL YOU, AS A SENIOR CITIZEN MYSELF, WHO SAW THE BIRTH OF THE INTERNET, SAW TECHNOLOGY THAT HAD ONE OF THE EARLIEST COMPUTER SYSTEMS THAT WAS SENIORS ARE NOT AS NON-TECH SAVVY AS A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK MAY THINK. AND SO A LOT OF US ARE PRETTY WELL TECH SAVVY. AND TO SAY THAT WE CAN'T MANAGE THIS, WE CAN'T MANAGE THE TECHNOLOGY, I THINK IS AN INSULT TO A LOT OF SENIORS. AND SO I WANT BUT I DO WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR I CAN TEXT, I CAN CALL YOU ON THE PHONE, AND I CAN EVEN DO A VIDEO CALL, ANY OR ALL OF THOSE OPTIONS, ALL THREE OF THOSE ARE AVAILABLE TO ME.

IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT, YES. OKAY. BECAUSE I'VE HEARD A LOT OF WELL, IT'S ONLY A TEXT PROGRAM. WELL, THAT'S THAT'S NOTHING COULD BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH. IT'S NOT ONLY TEXTING, IT'S ALSO TALK. IT'S ALSO VIDEO IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. IF YOU'RE MORE COMFORTABLE CALLING ON THE PHONE, CALL THE DOCTOR 100%. WE'VE WE'VE BUILT THIS TO TRY TO REACH EVERYONE. WE HAVE FOUND THAT MOST MOST INDIVIDUALS JUST PREFER A TEXT.

BUT WE CAN DO A CALL, WE CAN DO A VIDEO. AND SO WE'RE WHATEVER THE INDIVIDUAL IS COMFORTABLE WITH, YOU'RE YOU'RE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT. ABSOLUTELY. IS THAT RIGHT. AND SO AND THIS IS ALSO FOR THIS ISN'T IF I BREAK MY ARM TO CALL YOU, YOU'RE YOU'RE GOING TO TELL ME TO GO TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM. BUT IF MY KID GOT SICK WITH THE SAME COUGH THAT MY OTHER THREE KIDS HAD LAST WEEK. BUT IT'S SATURDAY MORNING AND NOW I NEED A PRESCRIPTION, MY DOCTOR'S NOT GOING TO BE UNTIL NEXT WEEK. I CAN CALL YOU AND GET A PRESCRIPTION ON SATURDAY. THE SAME STUFF THAT MY OTHER KIDS GOT. IF I ALREADY KNOW WHAT'S WRONG, I JUST NEED A DOCTOR TO PRESCRIBE THE MEDICINE. ABSOLUTELY. AND WHAT'S GREAT IS WHEN YOU'RE A HOUSEHOLD AND IT'S YOUR CHILDREN. THAT'S NOT AN UNCOMMON SCENARIO. WHEN ONE GETS STREP THROAT AND 2 TO 3 DAYS LATER, YOUR OTHER TWO GET STREP THROAT. AND THAT'S A VERY COMMON SCENARIO THAT WE SEE WITH OUR SERVICE. OKAY. VERY GOOD. ALL RIGHT. WELL I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COUPLE OF THOSE POINTS REALLY CLEAR THAT THERE'S LOTS OF WAYS YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO REACH OUT.

I WANT TO SEE US. I KNOW OUR OUR OPT OUT CAMPAIGN IS ONLY BY EMAIL AT THE MOMENT. IS THAT RIGHT. AND SO THAT'S THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT PHASE IS WHAT ARE THE OTHER WAYS WE CAN OPT OUT.

IS THERE A LINK ON THE WEBSITE I CAN GO TO. IS THERE A PHONE NUMBER I CAN CALL. AND I'M

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THAT'S A LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT COULD REALLY BE HELPED BY THIS, AT LEAST IN MY OPINION.

SO I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS PUSHING FORWARD. I THINK WE'RE ON THE RIGHT PATH HERE. AND SO I WANT TO HELP GET THE WORD OUT WHERE I CAN HERE. I'LL BE DOING MY TOWN HALL BEFORE TOO LONG.

THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER THOMAS. AND I JUST WANTED TO REITERATE THAT COMING IN SEVERAL WEEKS WILL BE A UTILITY BILL INSERT THAT WILL HAVE INFORMATION ON OUR NUMBER. THE 10,000 HOUSEHOLD PILOT. AND SO I THINK THAT WILL REALLY DRIVE THE ENROLLMENT FOR THAT PILOT PROGRAM. THAT WILL GIVE US SOME DATA FOR THE COLD AND FLU SEASON AS WELL. GOOD. YEAH.

BECAUSE I THINK I THINK WE CAN'T MISS THIS SSON. WAIT TILL THIS TIME NEXT YEAR TO COLLECT DATA. AND WE NEED TO DO THIS. WE NEED TO STRIKE WHILE THE IRON IS HOT. AND IF THAT MEANS PUSHING ASIDE THE ELECTRIC METER READING, THEN WE NEED TO DO THAT BECAUSE THAT COULD HAPPEN ANY TIME. THIS NEEDS TO HAPPEN BECAUSE OF COLD AND FLU SEASON IS UPON US NOW ANYWAY. THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU SIR. COUNCIL MEMBER BEARD OH, I'VE SPOKEN TO A LOT OF PEOPLE IN MY DISTRICT. THERE'S ALWAYS THOSE THAT ARE ANGRY AND THE NAYSAYERS. BUT WHAT'S IT SURPRISED ME THE MOST IS I'VE HAD QUITE A FEW THAT HAVE COME BACK TO ME AFTER THE FACT, AND THEY'VE CHANGED THEIR MIND AND NOW THEY'RE LIKE, OH MY GOD, THIS IS SUCH A GOOD PROGRAM. I HAD SOMEBODY I MET WITH LAST NIGHT IN A DAIRY QUEEN JUST HE WAS LIKE, I WANT TO TELL YOU, THANK YOU THAT I'VE GOT THREE KIDS THAT ARE ADULTS THAT DON'T HAVE INSURANCE, AND THIS IS WHAT THEY NEED. I'VE BEEN WITH Y'ALL. Y'ALL CAME CAME TO MY TOWN HALL. I APPRECIATE THE PATIENCE. THERE IT WAS. IT IT WAS AN INTERESTING NIGHT, BUT I DID HAVE QUITE A FEW PEOPLE AFTER THE TOWN HALL THAT CAME UP AND THANKED ME AND TOLD ME THAT IT WAS SUCH A WONDERFUL PROGRAM. I WISH THOSE PEOPLE WOULD HAVE GOTTEN UP AND SPOKEN. AND I'VE BEEN WITH YOU WITH A COUPLE OF AT ONE OF YOUR COMMUNITY EVENTS, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY I DROVE PAST THE BOOTH TODAY OUT ON BROADWAY, AND I DIDN'T GET TO STOP, BUT I SAW Y'ALL OUT THERE. AND SO I THINK THAT COMMUNITY OUTREACH IS STARTED AND IT WILL IT WILL REACH PEOPLE. AND I WANT TO THANK Y'ALL FOR DOING EVERYTHING YOU CAN TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. AND LET'S I CANNOT MAKE PEOPLE READ THE BILL, READ THE NOTICE IN THEIR BILL. BUT I CAN WORK WITH THE CITY AND WORK WITH YOU ALL TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET IT OUT THERE AS MANY WAYS AS WE CAN SO PEOPLE CAN MAKE INFORMED DECISIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR PRO TEM LUCK. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. WE HAVE A TOWN. I HAVE A TOWN HALL ON NOVEMBER 6TH AND YOU ALL WILL BE THERE. EXCEPT FOR BRIAN. I THINK HIS HIS DAUGHTER IS IN A PLAY. AND AND I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME TO GO OVER THE PROGRAM AGAIN AND, AND HOPEFULLY WE WILL BE GOING OVER THE PROGRAM MANY, MANY TIMES. AND I AM ANXIOUS TO HAVE THIS PROGRAM ROLLED OUT. BUT I ALSO WANT TO TAKE OUR TIME BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THIS COMMUNITY OUTREACH, THIS MEDIA BLITZ IS VERY IMPORTANT. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE KNOWS ABOUT IT BEFORE WE START CHARGING FOR IT.

AND AND I THINK THAT THAT CAN ONLY HAPPEN WITH TIME, UNFORTUNATELY. SO I, I APPRECIATE ALL OF THE TOUCH POINTS THAT YOU'VE PROVIDED BECAUSE THOSE WILL TAKE TIME.

AND AS YOU GET MORE PEOPLE INVOLVED ON YOUR TEAM THAT ARE THERE FOR COMMUNITY OUTREACH, YOU'LL START TO HIT MORE PEOPLE. AND AND I WANT THIS TO BE A THING THAT, I MEAN, YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE WILLINGLY IGNORING, LIKE LIFE IN ORDER TO NOT KNOW ABOUT THE PROGRAM. SO I FEEL THAT THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. DOCTOR PERRY, YOU MENTIONED THAT MEDICARE ENROLLEES WILL LOSE. WELL, TELEHEALTH IS EXPIRING FOR MEDICARE. AND IF IT'S NOT RENEWED, MEDICARE RECIPIENTS WILL LOSE THAT THAT BENEFIT. DO YOU KNOW ABOUT HOW MANY MEDICARE RECIPIENTS USE

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ABOUT A THIRD ARE ARE SCHOOL AGED CHILDREN, AND THEN THE REST ARE THE ELDERLY AND IN BETWEENS. GREAT. WHAT STEPS ARE YOU TAKING WITH YOUR WITH YOUR TARGETED CAMPAIGN TO SPECIFICALLY TARGET THE SENIOR COMMUNITY? I KNOW COUNCIL MEMBER THOMAS IS ADEPT AT TECHNOLOGY, BUT THERE ARE SOME WHO AREN'T. I MEAN, I KNOW PEOPLE MY AGE WHO AREN'T, SO IT'S NOT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY JUST SENIORS WHO DON'T KNOW SOME THINGS ABOUT TECHNOLOGY.

SO CAN YOU KIND OF TOUCH ON THAT? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. SO WE ARE REALLY TARGETING COMMUNITY EVENTS WITH SENIORS. THAT'S PART OF OUR COMMUNITY LIAISONS JOB. ALSO, WE HAVE FOUND THAT A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF THE CHURCHGOERS IN THE COMMUNITY O F RLAND ARE SENIORS. AND SO WE'VE BEEN REALLY TRYING TO TO TO REACH OUT THROUGH THAT. WE'D LOVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY, IF THE CITY HAS SOME ADDITIONAL CONNECTIONS TO THAT SENIOR COMMUNITY. WE EVEN LOVE IF IF WE COULD DO A SPECIFIC MAILER TARGETING THOSE, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WHAT I'VE HEARD IS THEY'RE THEY'RE THE ONES THAT MIGHT BE THE HARDEST TO REACH. AND SO IF THE CITY WOULD ALLOW US TO TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE WELL INFORMED BY, BY A TARGETED MAILER, WE'D BE HAPPY TO TO DO THAT AS WELL. BUT IF THERE'S ANY SUGGESTIONS IN YOUR DISTRICT. GO AHEAD, COUNCILMAN MOORE. REGULAR MEDICARE, CORRECT? YES. OKAY. IT'S IMPORTANT TO DISTINGUISH. YEAH.

THANK YOU. GREAT. THANK YOU. I WOULD I MEAN, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU GET WITH ORGANIZATIONS LIKE MEALS ON WHEELS. THEY REALLY CONNECT WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO DON'T LEAVE THE HOUSE BECAUSE THAT'S THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT WE'RE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT LEARNING ABOUT THIS PROGRAM IS THE PEOPLE THAT DON'T GET OUT AND THEY DON'T GO TO MUNICIPAL BUILDINGS AND SEE POSTERS. THEY DON'T OPEN THEIR MAIL AND SEE FLIERS. SO WE WE REALLY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE THE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO COMMUNITY OR ARE RECEIVING THIS OUTREACH.

AND THEN ALSO, HOW ARE YOU TARGETING HOUSEHOLDS WHO HAVE UTILITY BILL AUTOPAY. SO TYPICALLY THEY DON'T THEY DON'T LOOK AT THEIR BILL. I MEAN, I, I KIND OF LOOK AT IT AND I DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT IT'S ABOUT THE SAME AS IT IS LAST MONTH. AND AND BEING AWARE OF WHERE OUR WATER SITUATION IS MOST OF THE TIME, I DON'T REALLY, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THE LINE ITEMS. THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. THAT'S REALLY WHY WE HAVE THE 13 TOUCHPOINT MECHANISM, BECAUSE THERE'S 13 DIFFERENT WAYS. IF YOU'RE ONE THAT AUTOPAY, YOU DON'T LOOK AT YOUR BILL. WE'RE HOPEFUL. ONE OF THE OTHER 12 TOUCH POINTS. YOU'RE GOING TO BE INFORMED ON.

GREAT. I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. I'M I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROGRAM. I THINK IT WILL HELP SO MANY PEOPLE, SENIORS, KIDS, ADULTS DOESN'T MATTER. I MEAN, IT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO JUST TOUCH SO MANY PEOPLE. AND I THINK WITH THIS CAMPAIGN THAT YOU'VE THAT YOU'VE INITIATED THOSE, THOSE PEOPLE WILL HEAR ABOUT IT. AND THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT, RIGHT. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOU SAYING THAT. AND I, I THINK ANYONE AND I KNOW ANYONE WHO USES IT WILL WILL KEEP IT. I MEAN, IT'S THEY SEE THE VALUE IN IT. AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW ABOUT IT SO THEY CAN START USING IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MA'AM. COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS I'LL MAKE A QUICK JUST ONE SUGGESTION. AND, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY OUTREACH ACTIVITIES I DIDN'T SEE UP THERE. I SEE WHERE WE CITY UP, DOWN Q AND A'S. WE I THINK TO MARGARET'S

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COUNCIL MEMBER BASS THANK YOU MAYOR. WELL, EVERYBODY'S TALKING ABOUT WHAT THEY DO WHEN THEY GET THEIR UTILITY BILL. I GUESS IT'S NOT GOING TO SURPRISE ANYBODY TO KNOW THAT I BREAK OUT MY ELECTRICAL USAGE AND MY WATER USAGE, AND I TRACK IT ON A SPREADSHEET, AND I COMPARE YEAR OVER YEAR. SO JUST TO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T REALLY KNOW THAT I HAVE ANYTHING NEW TO ADD, BUT JUST TO RECAP A COUPLE THINGS LIKE I NOTICED. I KNOW Y'ALL TALKING Q&A ON YOUR WEBSITE, I DON'T SEE A FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS TAB. THAT WOULD BE A NICE THING, YOU KNOW, RELATED TO THE Q&A, RIGHT? SOME OF THOSE COMMON QUESTIONS WE'RE GETTING OVER AND OVER AND OVER. IF A LINK COULD JUST BE PROVIDED, THAT WOULD TAKE THEM RIGHT TO FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS. AND THEN A COUPLE OF THINGS IF WE WANT TO IDENTIFY, BECAUSE ONE OF THE QUESTIONS IS, IS THIS PROGRAM GOING TO HELP THOSE WHO NEED IT THE MOST? OKAY. AND FOR ME, I WOULD

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AND, YOU KNOW, SOCIAL MEDIA IS JUST THAT'S THAT'S THE WAY IT IS. IT'S KEYBOARD WARRIORS AND IT'S KNEE JERK REACTIONS. SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK ONCE WE GET SOME OF THIS DATA FROM THIS PILOT PROGRAM, IT'S GOING TO GIVE US A LOT MORE INFORMATION. AND ALSO, OF COURSE, FLOATING AROUND ON SOCIAL MEDIA IS THAT THIS THING HAS ALREADY HAPPENED, IT'S ALREADY IMPLEMENTED, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. NO IT'S NOT. YOU'RE NOT SEEING A CHARGE ON YOUR BILL. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO UNTIL SOMETIME IN SPRING OF NEXT YR OR POSSIBLY EVEN SUMMER OF NEXT YEAR. WHY? BECAUSE WHAT WE HAVE, WHAT THIS COUNCIL HAS VOTED ON, IS A CONTRACT WITH EMED HEALTH PATHWAYS TO NOT TO START THE PROGRAM, BUT BASICALLY TO IMPLEMENT THE EDUCATION PROCESS OF THE PROGRAM. SO THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF THE RACE, NOT THE END. AT THE END, WE WILL BE VOTING ON WHETHER TO PUT THE CHARGE ON A WATER BILL OR NOT, AND THAT WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION FOR THAT YET. WE'RE STILL COLLECTING THAT INFORMATION. THIS PILOT PROGRAM IS GOING TO GIVE US A LOT MORE INFORMATION, AND THERE'S STILL A LOT OF EDUCATION TO GO ON OUT IN THE COMMUNITY. SO ANYWAY, JUST WANTED TO KIND OF WRAP EVERYTHING UP THERE IN ONE LITTLE BOW. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WRAPPING UP. WE HAVE DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM ORT. AND ON ALL OF THIS, NOT TO REHASH WHAT EVERYONE ELSE HAS ALREADY SAID. I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE PILOT PROGRAM GETTING LAUNCHED, HAVING THE 10,000 AMERICAN GARLAND HOUSEHOLDS ACTUALLY SPEAKING FOR US IS GOING TO TELL US VOLUMES, AND HAVING A BREAKDOWN OF ALL THE DIFFERENT PEOPLE, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE USING IT, THE WHEN THEY'RE USING IT, JUST THINGS LIKE WHAT MARGARET HAD MENTIONED THAT WITHIN HIPAA REGULATIONS, BUT HAVING INFORMATION OF HOW OUR CITIZENS USE IT, THAT'S GOING TO BE VERY HELPFUL. AND ALSO IT'LL THEY'LL BE ABLE TO BE ABLE TO TELL THE STORY OF HOW IT HELPED THEIR LIVES. AS FAR AS SPEEDING UP THE PROGRAM. I JUST DON'T SEE HOW THAT'S I WOULD LOVE FOR IT IF I COULD WAVE A MAGIC WAND AND HAVE IT IMPLEMENTED TODAY.

BUT PROCESS MATTERS. YOU KNOW, GETTING THE MESSAGING OUT THERE, TALKING TO THE PEOPLE. AND I JUST I JUST DON'T SEE HOW WE CAN DO THIS BEFORE NEXT SPRING OTHER THAN THIS PILOT PROGRAM.

SO THANK YOU FOR GETTING THIS OFF THE GROUND. THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE DOING AND LOOK FORWARD TO MORE UPDATES ON IT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I DO JUST HAVE ONE ONE

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THANK YOU. COUNCIL, WE HAVE LIMITED TIME BEFORE OUR MEETING COMING UP HERE AT SEVEN. SO I WANT TO SHIFT A FEW ITEMS AROUND. I WANT TO GO NOW TO ITEM NUMBER SIX WHICH IS TEXAS MUNICIPAL LEAGUE ANNUAL CONFERENCE REPORT. I THINK WE CAN GET THIS ITEM IN BEFORE WE'LL HAVE TO RECESS. OH, GOOD. SO THE SPEAKER FOR THE STUDY IS NOT ABLE TO BE AVAILABLE PAST 7:00, HAS ANOTHER COMMITMENT FOLLOWING THAT WITH ANOTHER CLIENT. SO IF IT'S AT ALL POSSIBLE, I KNOW. CAN WE BE QUICK. CAN I GIVE YOU I THINK SO I THINK THE PRESENTATION

[4. Housing Market Analysis Presentation by CZB]

MAYOR COUNCIL BECKY KING, MANAGING DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY AND NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT.

THIS IS CHARLES AND AMBER LYNCH FROM CVB CONSULTING. MAYOR COUNCIL. GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL AGAIN. CITY MANAGER. NICE TO SEE YOU. I PROMISE TO BE EXPEDITIOUS. WE HAVE 155 SLIDES.

I PROMISE TO MOVE THROUGH THEM AT AN INCREDIBLE RATE. WE'VE GOT ABOUT 25 AND WE'LL GO AS FAST AS WE CAN. OKAY, SO WE WERE HERE SIX OR SO WEEKS AGO TO WALK THROUGH THE PRELIMINARY FINDINGS THAT WE HAD TO, AS THE FOUNDATION FOR THE HOUSING STRATEGY. I'LL DO A QUICK RECAP OF THOSE FINDINGS, THEN PIVOT RIGHT TO WHAT WE THINK THEY MEAN. OKAY, GOOD. ALL RIGHT.

LET'S SEE. CAN I JUST DO THIS MYSELF. ALL RIGHT. SO WHAT YOU SEE THERE ON THE LEFT IS REALLY THE HIGH POINTS OF THE FINDINGS THAT WE'VE SHARED WITH YOU PREVIOUSLY. I WANT TO BE SURE WE JUST COVER THEM VERY QUICKLY AGAIN. SO ONE, WE TALKED ABOUT THE DIFFICULTIES, YOU KNOW, ON THE DEMAND SIDE OF STRUGGLING TO ATTRACT HOUSEHOLDS THAT HAVE, YOU KNOW, OPTIONS THAT THEY TEND TO EXERCISE ACROSS THE REGION. THE SECOND KEY FINDING IS THAT PRICES AND HOME VALUES ARE WELL BELOW REGIONAL AVERAGES. AND THESE ARE DATA POINTS YOU'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH. BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSCORE THEM. THIRD IS THAT YOU'VE GOT SORT OF A TWO TRUTH YOU KNOW, WORLD HOUSING WORLD HERE IN GARLAND, WHICH IS TO SAY ON THE ONE HAND, YOU KNOW, YOUR VALUES AND PRICES ARE SIGNIFICANTLY BELOW THE REGION'S. BUT YOU'VE GOT HOUSEHOLDS HERE WHO ARE STRUGGLING TO MEET THE PRICES AND THE VALUES THAT ARE HERE ALREADY. SO YOU'VE GOT LOWER PRICES THAT TEND TO BE A GOOD FIT FOR LOW INCOME HOUSEHOLDS IN THE REGION. IT'S STILL A STRUGGLE HERE IN THE CITY. YOU'VE ALSO GOT LOW LEVELS OF PROPERTY MAINTENANCE REALLY THROUGHOUT THE CITY. IT'S A KEY PART OF THE HOUSING MARKET AND THAT VALUATION CONSIDERATION AND THEN ON A FAIR SHARE BASIS, ALL OF THAT STACKS UP AND ROLLS INTO WHAT WE SEE AS GARLAND BEING ABOUT 8000 HOUSEHOLDS SHORT OF THOSE HOUSEHOLDS WITH

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WHERE DO THOSE STRENGTHS EXIST? HOW DO HOW DO WE LEVERAGE THEM. SECOND IS TO FOCUS GEOGRAPHICALLY, AND THAT IS TO REVITALIZE VULNERABLE MIDDLE AREAS, WHICH IS WHERE WE WILL FIND YOU'RE GOING TO GET IMPACT, RIGHT? YOU CAN STRETCH YOUR DOLLARS THE FURTHEST AND THEN HELPING THE MOST VULNERABLE HOUSEHOLDS STAY IN THEIR HOMES. SO THAT'S HOW YOU GET INCLUSION IMPACTS AND LEVERAGE. SO IN PRACTICE. SO THAT'S SORT OF THE THEORETICAL BACK BACKGROUND.

BUT IN PRACTICE WHAT IT MEANS IS PRIORITIZING WHAT NEEDS TO OCCUR WHERE. RIGHT. SO WHICH PARTS OF THE CITY DO YOU START WORK ON. AND WHAT COMES FIRST. WHAT COMES SECOND? WHAT COMES THIRD. RIGHT. FOCUSING AND NOT SCATTERING RESOURCES. RIGHT. SO THIS IS REALLY A CRITICAL CONCEPT IN WORKING IN A SOFTER MARKET. RIGHT. WHICH IS TO NOT SPREAD THE RESOURCES TOO THIN AND THEN TARGETING THOSE AREAS WHERE YOU HAVE THE HIGHEST LEVERAGE RATIOS. AND SO IF F YOU SORT OF WORK THAT THROUGH AND, AND THEN ASK AND ANSWER THE QUESTION, WELL, WHAT SHOULD WE BE DOING. YOU HAVE TO IDENTIFY INVEST IN BEAUTIFICATION OF KEY CORRIDORS. THE EXISTING STOCKS HAVE TO GET UPGRADED AT KEY LOCATIONS. THERE'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE A REDEVELOPMENT COMPONENT, AND THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE AT KEY INTERSECTIONS. AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO EXPAND MIDDLE INCOME HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES, REALLY IN THE PROXIMITY OF GARLAND SQUARE, WHICH IS WHERE YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, THE MAKINGS OF REAL ECONOMIC ENGINE. RIGHT. SO THOSE ARE FOUR, FOUR THRUSTS YOU WANT TO BE DOING AT THE SAME TIME. SO YOU WANT TO DO THAT WHILE YOU'RE CONTINUING TO PROVIDE SERVICES THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND DOING WHAT WE CALL ADDITIVE WORK IN A COUPLE OF KEY LOCATIONS. SO CONTINUE YOUR WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING NOW ACROSS THE CITY AND IN A COUPLE OF KEY LOCATIONS. YOU'REEALLY DOUBLING DOWN, FOCUSING RESOURCES AND REALLY BEGINNING TO DRIVE THE POTENTIAL FOR LEVERAGE. OKAY. SO AGAIN, STAYING IN RECAP, WE LOOKED AT THE ENTIRE CITY MOVING LEFT TO RIGHT. AND IN EXAMINING THE WHOLE CITY, IT ALLOWED US TO PARSE THE CITY INTO SUBMARKET TYPES OF DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT DEGREES OF STRENGTH. YOU DON'T HAVE TO SQUINT YOUR EYES. THERE'S A BETTER MAP COMING UP.

AND THEN WHAT WE DID FROM THERE WAS TO SAY, OKAY, WITH SUCH A LARGE GEOGRAPHY, HOW DO WE FIGURE OUT HOW TO STRETCH OUR DOLLARS THE FURTHEST RIGHT ON THE ADDITIVE SIDE OF THINGS? RIGHT. SO IN THAT, IN THAT MIDDLE PIECE, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, WE WE WERE LOOKING CITYWIDE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS CONTINUED ACTIONS CONTINUE THE FOLLOWING CITYWIDE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. INFRASUCTURE MAINTENANCE IMPROVEMENTS ACROSS THE CITY.

RIGHT. THERE'S NO THERE'S NO NOTION OF ROBBING PETER, TO PAY PAUL TO WORK YOURSELF OUT OF A SOFT MARKET SITUATION. WHAT YOU REALLY WANT TO HAVE IS, IS A STRATEGIC COMMITMENT TO BOTH END. OKAY. SO CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS THEY ARE CONTINUED CITYWIDE ACTIONS PARTNERSHIP FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT. THAT'S CONTINUED CITYWIDE ACTION DESTINATION AND BRAND DEVELOPMENT ABSOLUTELY HAS TO CONTINUE. CODE ENFORCEMENT CITYWIDE HAS TO CONTINUE OKAY.

ASSISTANCE TO LOW INCOME HOUSEHOLDS WITH REPAIR AND EMERGENCY NEEDS. THAT'S YOUR COMMITMENT TO ABSOLUTELY THE MOST VULNERABLE HOUSEHOLDS IN THE CITY. YOU DON'T TAKE YOUR FOOT OFF THAT GAS PEDAL. YOU FOCUS ON THAT. AND THEN NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY GRANTS AND OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERSHIP EDUCATION SUPPORT ENDEAVORS, THOSE CONTINUE CITYWIDE. OK, NOW THE ADDITIVE PART. IN ADDITION TO THAT, IN ORDER TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WHAT TO DO AND HOW TO FOCUS WHERE, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT WE'VE BROKEN THE CITY INTO FOUR

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AND THOSE THOSE 15 TO 16,000 THAT ARE SIGNIFICANTLY 35 YEARS OR OLDER, RIGHT, ARE REALLY GOING TO NEED SOME ATTENTION GOING FORWARD. SO YOU'RE BOTH LOOKING AT THE SINGLE FAMILY REVITALIZATION CHALLENGES, BUT YOU'RE ALSO LOOKING AT THE OLDER MULTIFAMILY THAT'S GOING TO NEED ATTENTION. RIGHT. AND SO YOU SEE HERE THAT YOUR MULTIFAMILY IS SCATTERED PRETTY MUCH THROUGHOUT THE CITY. THERE'S YOU KNOW, EACH OF THESE ARE YOU KNOW, YOU GOT 185 MULTIFAMILY PROJECTS ACROSS THE CITY, EACH OF A DIFFERENT AGE, EACH IN A DIFFERENT CONDITION, EACH, YOU KNOW, FUNCTIONING DIFFERENTLY FOR OWNERS, RIGHT, WITH DIFFERENT RENTS, DIFFERENT CAPITALIZATION RATES, DIFFERENT VALUATIONS. WE'VE TAKEN A LOOK AT THAT. THE GOOD NEWS IS YOUR MULTIFAMILY OF LATE IS PERFORMING PRETTY DARN WELL THE STUFF THAT'S COME ONLINE. I WAS SHOCKED, PLEASANTLY SURPRISED TO SEE THAT THE STUFF THAT'S COME ONLINE, REALLY THE LAST TEN YEARS IS ABSOLUTELY LOCKSTEP IN COMPETITION, DOING QUITE WELL AGAINST THE COMPETITION. RIGHT? IT'S GOOD STUFF. EVERY METRIC THAT WE LOOKED AT SUGGESTS THAT MULTIFAMILY THAT'S BEEN COMING ONLINE IS HIGH VALUATION PRODUCT OKAY. SO JUST KEEP THAT KEEP IT UP. BUT THERE'S STILL, AS I SAID, 15,000 OLDER MULTIFAMILIES THAT REALLY HAVE BEEN DEPRIVED OF UPKEEP FOR FOR NOW GOING ON 35 PLUS YEARS. AND THAT REPRESENTS SOMETHING ON THE ORDER OF $1 BILLION LIABILITY. YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION TO AS WE GO FORWARD IN THE STRATEGY IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS, WE'LL SPELL OUT WHAT TO DO AND WHICH OF THESE PROPERTIES. WE WORK ALL THE WAY THROUGH. NOW, WHAT WE WOULD ASK YOU TO DO IS TO THINK ABOUT WHAT WE CALL SORT OF SPECTRUM OF IMPACT. SO MOVING LEFT TO RIGHT, YOU KNOW, AND THEN TOP TO BOTTOM, WE'VE SAID, THINK OF YOUR CITY AS COMPRISED OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF SUBMARKETS WITH DIFFERENT DEGREES OF STRENGTH, ALL THE WAY ON THE RIGHT IN PINK, AS YOU SEE ON THE MAPS AND CHARTS, ARE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE THAT ARE REALLY, REALLY DOING QUITE WELL.

RIGHT. AND THE OBJECTIVE THERE IS TO MAINTAIN THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS AND MOVING FROM RIGHT TO LEFT IN THE CENTER. YOU'VE GOT YOUR GROWTH SUBMARKETS, WHICH IS THE MAJORITY OF THE THE CITY, RIGHT? IT'S 39,000 RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES. EACH OF THOSE HAS SOME NEGATIVE EQUITY, RIGHT? EXCUSE ME. NOT NEGATIVE EQUITY, BUT AN APPRAISAL GAP CHALLENGE.

RIGHT. SO THAT'S GOING TO ADD UP. YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO TACKLE THAT IN PARALLEL FASHION TO STRATEGICALLY TACKLING THE MULTIFAMILY AS WE JUST DISCUSSED. RIGHT. AND SO YOU WILL DO THOSE TWO THINGS ALONG WITH A REAL COMMITMENT TO STABILIZING THE SOFTER LEGACY SUBMARKETS, OKAY. AS YOU GO FORWARD TO TO THINK THROUGH, HOW DOES THAT WORK? WHAT I THINK YOU CAN EXPECT IS. ON THOSE LEGACY AREAS, WHEN YOU PUT A DOLLAR OF PUBLIC RESOURCES INTO LEGACY AREA, WORK TOWARDS STABILIZATION, WORK RIGHT TOWARD HOME REPAIR, WORK TOWARD EXTERIOR UPGRADE WORK, YOU KNOW, AS YOU DECIDE AT THE FINER GRAINS OF OF OF EXECUTION WHAT TO DO, YOU'LL PUT A DOLLAR IN AND YOU MIGHT DRIVE, WE THINK MAYBE 20, $0.20 ON THAT. RIGHT. SO YOU'LL A DOLLAR TO DRIVE 20. SO YOU HAVE $1.20 IN TOTAL ACTIVITY. RIGHT.

SO IT'S A VERY EXPENSIVE EFFORT OKAY. GIVEN THE THE EXTENT OF CATCH UP COSTS THAT WE, THAT WE

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THAT'S THAT'S THAT MIDDLE THAT'S YOUR MIDDLE MARKET. WE ANTICIPATE THAT YOU'LL SPEND SOMEWHERE BETWEEN YOU KNOW, YOU'LL SPEND A DOLLAR DEPENDING ON THE BLOCK, AND IT'LL BE MATCHED BY ABOUT $1.50 IN THE IN THE SOMEWHAT SOFTER PARTS OF THE MIDDLE. AND AT THE TOP YOU'LL SPEND A DOLLAR AND YOU'LL YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO DRIVE 2 TO $3. SO YOU'LL END UP WITH $4 OF INVESTMENT AND $1, $1 WILL HAVE DRIVEN THAT. FOUR. OKAY. SO THAT WILL BE YOUR LEVERAGE RATIO OKAY. SO YOU WILL BE REALLY STRETCHING YOUR DOLLARS QUITE SIGNIFICANTLY IN THOSE AREAS ON THE MAP THAT YOU SEE NOTED IN YELLOW. OKAY. YOU'LL STRETCH THEM A BIT.

WHERE IT'S GREEN THE STRETCH WILL BE HARDER WHERE IT'S BLUE. AND YOU WON'T REALLY HAVE TO BE PUTTING GREAT DEAL OF PUBLIC MONEY, IF ANY AT ALL, INTO PINK AREAS. OKAY, AS AN ADDITIVE STRATEGY, YOU WILL OF COURSE, CONTINUE YOUR VITALITY PROGRAMS, CONTINUE YOUR HAVE A HEART PROGRAMS, CONTINUE THE DISTRIBUTION OF CDBG AND OTHER FEDERAL SUPPPPORTS. BUBUT ON THE ADDITIVE COMPONENT OF IT, THESE ARE THE LEVERAGE RATIOS. I THINK YOU CAN EXPECT TO SEE.

ALL RIGHT. SO THIS IS JUST A QUICK RECAP I KNOW WE'RE GETTING TO SEE WHERE WE ARE AGAIN. OUR ADVICE ON REALLY INTERVENING IN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS, SUCH AS THE ONES YOU HAVE BEGAN 30 YEARS AGO IN RICHMOND, VIRGINIA, CONTINUED TO PROVIDE ADVICE INTO INTO BALTIMORE, INTO A NUMBER OF WESTERN AND UPSTATE NEW YORK COMMUNITIES, AND MOST RECENTLY AND MOST ROBUSTLY IN DES MOINES, IN DES MOINES, IOWA. AND SO YOU MOVING, YOU KNOW, LEFT TO RIGHT AND UP DOWN OF WHERE WE MIGHT EXPECT TO SEE GARLAND IN TERMS OF A RETURN ON THAT INVESTMENT.

IT LOOKS PRETTY GOOD, RIGHT? WE ACTUALLY THINK THAT IF YOU START TO LOOK AT HOW YOU'VE HANDLED GARLAND SQUARE, WHICH IS JUST EXQUISITELY, IT'S IT'S IT'S IT'S REMARKABLE WHAT, YOU KNOW, AS, AS, AS AN ASSET THAT THAT GROWS IN VALUE. IF YOU LOOK AT THAT AND YOU LOOK AT THE THINKING BEHIND THE HIP PROGRAM. RIGHT. AND THE STRENGTH OF THIS REGION ECONOMICALLY, WE THINK YOU'VE GOT ABSOLUTELY A STRAIGHT PATH TO COMPETING MORE FAVORABLY.

GROWING HOME, HOMEOWNER WEALTH AND EQUITY AND STRENGTHENING THE MARKET HERE. IF IF YOU REALLY PURSUE THIS THIS BOTH AND APPROACH THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING, WHICH IS REAL COMMITMENT TO CONTINUING ALL THOSE CITY SERVICES CITYWIDE AND IN A COUPLE OF KEY AREAS WHERE WE THINK YOU HAVE A REAL LEVERAGE TO OBTAIN DOUBLING DOWN AS WE RECOMMEND. OKAY. SO IN SUM, THE MARKET IS NOT WEAK. OKAY. I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR, BUT IT'S NOT STRONG EITHER.

DON'T MISINTERPRET RISING PRICES. DON'T MISINTERPRET RISING VALUE TO INCOME RATIOS AND RISING PRICE TO INCOME RATIOS AS INDICATIONS OF STRENGTH. OKAY, THERE ARE TOO MANY OTHER VARIABLES THAT GET IN THE WAY OF YOU BEING ABLE TO DRAW THAT CONCLUSION. OKAY, YOU'RE SORT OF STUCK IN BETWEEN, RIGHT, WEAK AND STRONG. RIGHT? BUT IN A STRONG REGION, IT MEANS THAT YOU HAVE YOU'RE PLAYING A WEAK HAND. RIGHT. AND SO YOU'VE REALLY GOT TO BE THINKING THROUGH, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS NOTION THAT YOU'RE VULNERABLE TO DECLINE BUT STRONG ENOUGH TO REVITALIZE, TO, TO TO BE STRENGTHENED. SO HOW TO STRETCH THE DOLLARS THE FURTHEST RIGHT. THE SECOND IS YOU REALLY THE OPPORTUNITY COSTS OF INACTION I CANNOT TELL.

SO YOU'RE HALF YOUR MULTIFAMILY CHALLENGE IS $1 BILLION. LIABILITY OKAY. YOUR SINGLE FAMILY CHALLENGE IS FOUR TIMES THAT. OKAY. SO THOSE ARE THOSE ARE SIGNIFICANT MARKET GAPS THAT YOU'RE COPING WITH. RIGHT. SO THAT 5 BILLION DIVIDED BY 90,000 IS YOUR PRO RATA SHARE OF A MARKET CAP. RIGHT. SO IT'S A IT IS IT IS A REAL ISSUE. NOT TACKLING IT RIGHT IS ACTUALLY A BIGGER COST OKAY. BECAUSE YOU DON'T THE WINDS ARE NOT AT YOUR BACK. SO THE OPPORTUNITY COST IS IS VERY VERY HIGH. RIGHT. SO YOU WANT AS EXPENSIVE AS IT IS TO ACT. OUR OUR ADVICE IS BE MINDFUL THAT IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE NOT TO ACT OKAY. TO THE EXTENT THAT YOUR HOUSING MARKET ACTUALLY IS CAN'T BE SEVERED, CANNOT BE DECOUPLED FROM YOUR RETAIL, CANNOT BE DECOUPLED FROM, YOU KNOW, THE STRENGTH OF YOUR COMMERCIAL TAX BASE AND AND EFFECTIVELY ATTACHES TO YOUR CAPACITY TO PROVIDE CITY SERVICES. RIGHT. YOU REALLY WANT TO BE THINKING

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[5. Development Services Committee Report]

SO AGAIN THERE WAS A REQUEST TO REVIEW THE SIGN ORDINANCES, PRIMARILY WITH THE FOCUS OF HOW CAN WE MAKE OUR STANDARDS NOT FLEXIBLE FOR THE SAKE OF BEING FLEXIBLE, BUT WHERE THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBLE AND WHILE STILL KEEPING OUR GENERAL IDEA OF HAVING THE VISUAL ATTRACTIVENESS OF THE CITY IN MIND. SO FROM A PROCESS STANDPOINT, WHAT WE COULD DO FROM A STANDARD STANDPOINT, WHAT WE COULD DO. SO THAT TOOK A LITTLE BIT WHERE WE WENT AND RESEARCHED IN THE LAST 5 TO 10 YEARS, HOW MANY VARIANCES, HOW MANY WAIVERS THAT HAD COME BEFORE CITY COUNCIL AND PLANNING COMMISSION IN DIFFERENT WAYS, AND HOW THE VERDICT HAD BEEN ON ALL OF THOSE. SO WE KIND OF SAW A PATTERN IN THE, IN THE MOSTLY IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, BUT ALSO OVERALL, BECAUSE COUNCILMAN BASS ALSO WANTED TO SEE NOT JUST IN DOWNTOWN BUT OVERALL, ESPECIALLY ON ATTACHED WALL SIGNS, WHAT COULD BE DONE TO MAKE THEM A LITTLE BIT, A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBLE? AND THEN THERE WAS A COMPONENT ABOUT TEMPORARY SIGN UP DATE SIGN THAT CAME FROM CM DUTTON, I BELIEVE, AND BRIAN MORRIS IS HERE TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THAT. SO WE KIND OF LUMPED IT ALL TOGETHER WITHIN THIS ITEM. SO I CAN GO OVER WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW HERE. AND THEN WE'LL INVITE BRIAN OVER HERE TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THE TEMPORARY SIGNS. SO WE FOUND THREE BIG GENERAL ISSUES. AND WE FORMULATED THREE RECOMMENDATIONS. THERE WERE OTHER LITTLE RECOMMENDATIONS HERE AND THERE THAT WE CAN INCORPORATE WHEN WE ARE GOING TO WORK ON THE AMENDMENT. BUT ONE THING THAT WE SAW WE HAD COMPARED WITH DIFFERENT CITIES, COMPARABLE CITIES. PLANO, MCKINNEY, RICHARDSON, CARROLLTON, I BELIEVE. SO WE TRIED TO SEE IF OUR SIGN REGULATIONS, THE SIZE REGULATIONS WERE UNNECESSARILY RESTRICTIVE OR NOT. WE DID FIND THAT IN THE DOWNTOWN BECAUSE DOWNTOWN AREA IS NOT JUST A CORE DOWNTOWN. TECHNICALLY, DOWNTOWN IS WAY BIGGER THE DOWNTOWN ZONING DISTRICT. SO IN SOME AREAS OF DOWNTOWN, THE TEN SQUARE FOOT SIZE MAY NOT ACTUALLY MAKE SENSE, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S NEXT TO A SIX LANE THOROUGHFARE. GENERALLY SPEAKING, THERE IS NO SPECIFIC WAIVER OR FLEXIBILITY BUILT IN FOR SIGNS THAT ARE NEXT TO HIGHWAYS, FOR EXAMPLE, STRIKE AND REAL. THAT'S A BIG, BIG SIGN. AND THAT DID COME BEFORE CITY COUNCIL TO GET A WAIVER.

BUT FOR THAT HIGHWAY AND THAT SCALE, THAT SIGN IS NOT INAPPROPRIATE. BUT WE WANTED TO

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AND THE OTHER THING THAT WE FOUND WAS JUST HOW IT'S WRITTEN. IT'S JUST FOR A NORMAL PERSON, A BUSINESS OWNER, IT'S HARD TO FIND THE REGULATIONS AND READ THEM CORRECTLY. WE HAVE THE SIGN REQUIREMENTS IN THE DOWNTOWN STANDARD SECTION, WHICH IS SECTION SEVEN, ARTICLE SEVEN, CHAPTER SEVEN. AND THEN WE HAVE OUR REGULAR SIGN, WHICH IS IN CHAPTER FOUR, WHICH IS SIGN DEVELOPMENT. AND IT BECOMES CONFUSING FOR PEOPLE TO KIND OF NAVIGATE THROUGH ALL OF THAT. SO ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO CONDENSE ALL THESE DIFFERENT SIZE REGULATIONS, ILLUMINATION REGULATIONS, ALL THE DIFFERENT STANDARDS IN A TABLE FORMAT SO THAT NORMAL RESIDENT OR BUSINESS OWNER CAN LOOK IT UP. SO THAT'S MOSTLY FROM MAKING IT A LITTLE BIT MORE USER FRIENDLY STANDPOINT. SO THOSE ARE KIND OF THE THREE AVENUES THAT WE LOOKED AT. AND IF COUNCIL WANTS TO PROCEED WE ARE READY TO WORK ON THE AMENDMENTS. AND AT THIS POINT, IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS ON THESE OR I CAN ANSWER THE QUESTIONS. AND THEN I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO LIKE FOR IAN TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THE TEMPORARY SIGNS.

COUNCILMEMBER DUTTON. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE OTHER SIDE? WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INCREASING ALLOWABLE SIGN SIZE NEAR HIGHWAY WHEN HIGHER ON BUILDING? WE JUST HAD A SIGN ISSUE WITH SOMEONE ON THE HIGHWAY ON 78, AND WE MADE A HUGE FUSS ABOUT IT, A HUGE FUSS ABOUT IT. SO.

THIS. AND CAN I CLARIFY ON THAT? SO WHEN WE HAD PRESENTED IT TO THE COMMITTEE THAT HAD COME UP, LIKE, HOW ARE WE DEFINING HIGHWAY 78 AND 190 ARE TWO DIFFERENT MATTERS IN THAT REGARD. SO THAT ONE WAS IN DOWNTOWN. THAT'S WHY IT WAS HERE IN FRONT OF CITY COUNCIL.

SO THAT ONE IS NOT PART OF THAT RECOMMENDATION. IT IS THE STRIKE IN REAL ONE THAT YOU MAY WANT TO IMAGINE WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT LOOSENING THE RESTRICTIONS NEXT TO HIGHWAY THAT IS RIGHT NEXT TO 190. OKAY, I OKAY, SO THIS. I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE BECAUSE WE'VE GOT DOWNTOWN SIZE, WE'VE GOT HIGHWAY SIZE, WE'VE GOT EVERYBODY'S SIZE, WE'VE GOT WELL WE HAVE A RULE, BUT WE ALSO HAVE PLAN B AND PLAN C ON HOW YOU CAN SKIRT THAT RULE. SO WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF HAVING A RULE IF WE'RE PLANNING ON HOW TO ALLOW

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WE'VE GOT RESIDENTS, RESIDENTS, WHATEVER. RESIDENTS AREN'T HAVING SIGNS. SO THERE'S THAT.

BUT BUSINESSES THAT ALSO GET CONFUSED BY OUR RULES AND REGULATIONS AND ALL OF THESE THINGS, I WE'RE I THINK WE OVERCOMPLICATE IT. AND THIS FEELS VERY OVERLY COMPLICATED TO ME. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MA'AM. MAYOR PRO TEM LUCK. WHEN WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING HIGHWAY SIGNS, I'VE SPECIFICALLY ASKED ABOUT 78 BEING PART OF HIGHWAY. AND HIGHWAY WAS DEFINED AS ONE, 96, 35 AND I-30. AND AND THE POINT WAS TO ALLOW THOSE BUSINESSES ON THE HIGHWAY TO HAVE A LARGER SIGN LIKE STRIKE AND REAL AND NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH A AN EXHAUSTIVE PROCESS TO PUT SOMETHING UNIQUE ON THEIR BUILDING. BUT WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT AND MAYBE IT WASN'T WITH THIS. WE'VE HAD SEVERAL SIGN THINGS COME THROUGH LATELY. SO WILL YOU REFRESH MY MEMORY, PLEASE, ABOUT HAVING THE CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION REVIEW ARTISTIC SIGNS? THAT IS ONE THING. IF ALL OF COUNCIL WOULD LIKE US TO LOOK INTO THAT, THAT IS SOMETHING WE'LL HAVE TO WORK WITH LEGAL, AND THAT IS IN THE DOWNTOWN PERIMETER. FOR EXAMPLE, THE JIMMY WALLACE SIGN, THAT IS A UNIQUE SIGN. SO WHEN THERE IS A UNIQUE SIGN THAT'S COMING IN BUT ARE NOT MATCHING OUR REQUIREMENTS, BECAUSE AGAIN, OUR REQUIREMENTS ARE MADE FOR REGULAR SIGNS AND IT'S IMPOSSIBLE FOR A CODE TO CONTEMPLATE EVERY SINGLE UNIQUE SIGN THAT COULD THAT SOMEONE COULD IMAGINE. SO IN THOSE CASES, THE IDEA WAS TO FOR FOR US TO WORK WITH THE CULTURAL ARTS DIRECTOR AND THE CULTURAL COMMISSION AND HAVE IT GO THROUGH THEM, RATHER THAN STAFF SAYING, OH, WE DO IDENTIFY THIS SIGN AS CULTURALLY SIGNIFICANT, SO YOU CAN HAVE A WAIVER ON THIS, THE SIZE RELATED WAIVER. RIGHT. AND I THOUGHT THAT WE WERE DOING CITYWIDE ON THAT, NOT JUST DOWNTOWN. CORRECT. THAT'S THAT'S THE INTENT, BOTH PROCESS FOR THE HISTORIC THAT'S SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT, BUT BECAUSE THE DOWNTOWN IS MORE OF A FORM BASED IT WOULD IT FIT THAT THAT FLEXIBILITY FIT GREAT FOR THERE NOT SO MUCH THE REST OF THE CITY. SO THAT'S THE PIECE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT IS HOW HOW WE CAN APPLY THAT IN A IN AN EQUITABLE WAY THAT IS CLEAR AND EASY TO DETERMINE. BUT THAT WAS ABSOLUTELY WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE FROM THE SUBCOMMITTEE. OKAY. BUT WE HAVE TOUCH BASE WITH LEGAL JUST ONE TIME, I BELIEVE, AND THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THAT PROCESS TO HAVE A SEPARATE COMMISSION, A CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION WEIGHING IN ON SCIENCE. SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL WE'LL HAVE TO WORK WITH LEGAL ON. SO WE'LL HEAR BACK FROM YOU ON THAT PARTICULAR.

YEAH. WE JUST HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GO THROUGH THAT YET. WE'RE NOT PREPARED TO REPORT ON THAT ENTIRE PROCESS YET. OKAY. I WAS JUST REITERATING WE UNDERSTOOD WHAT THE COMMITTEE'S DESIRE WAS FOR THAT. SO UNDERSTOOD. SO I THINK THAT MAYBE ONE OF THE ISSUES WITH THE ITEMS PRESENTED TODAY IS THAT THEY'RE A LITTLE GENERAL AND AND SOMEWHAT VAGUE IN WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE.

SO GENTLY LOOSEN SIGN RESTRICTIONS. IT IT DOESN'T SAY LIKE IT SAYS, INCREASE ALLOWABLE SIZE, SIGN SIGN SIZE NEAR HIGHWAYS WHEN ON WHEN HIGHER ON THE BUILDING. BUT IT DOESN'T SAY, WELL, 78 ISN'T A HIGHWAY. SO I, I THINK THAT MIGHT BE WHY THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF LIKE WHAT IS GOING ON HERE. SO WOULD YOU LIKE MORE SPECIFIC BECAUSE THE WE WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT ONCE WE HEAR FROM COUNCIL, THAT'S WHEN WE'LL GO WORK ON THOSE

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IT WAS THIS BIG. AND EVEN AT THE PEDESTRIAN SCALE IT WAS DIFFICULT. AND SO I DON'T KNOW THAT ANY CITY'S SIGN ORDINANCE IS IS PERFECT. THE MINUTE WE SAY 50FT■S IS THE MAGIC NUMBER, SOMEBODY'S GOING TO WANT TO 52. AND SO THAT THAT HAVING SOME FLEXIBILITY BUILT IN WITH THE RATIONAL BASIS IS HELPFUL, SO THAT WE CAN APPLY IT AS EVENLY AS WE CAN. SO BUT I THINK ALL OF THESE HAVE BEEN GREAT, GREAT THINGS THAT WE WILL GO AND EXPLORE AND TRY TO CONTINUE TO IMPROVE UPON THE ORDINANCES AND HOW WE APPLY IT. RIGHT. AND THE ORIGINAL INTENT FOR THE DOWNTOWN WAIVER PORTION OF THIS WAS TO ALLOW BUSINESSES LIKE ROACH FEED AND SEED TO GET A A NICE, NICER, BIGGER SIGN LIT. AND I MEAN, ANY BUSINESS WHO'S HAD A SIGN CHANGE RECENTLY WHERE IT'S ALL BEEN WELCOMED, BUT IT JUST TOOK A LOT OF TIME AND MONEY TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS. SO THAT'S THAT WAS THE INITIAL INTENT I BELIEVE SO. AND THE REASON FOR THE RECOMMENDATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR, COUNCILMEMBER BASS, THANK YOU. YEAH, A COUPLE THINGS. ONE, YEAH, THIS IS REALLY THE EASIEST WAY TO THINK ABOUT WHAT THIS SLIDE IS SHOWING RIGHT HERE IS MORE OF A CONCEPT. CONCEPT PLAN RIGHT. DOES COUNCIL WANT STAFF TO PURSUE IN THIS DIRECTION. THAT'S WHY IT'S VERY VAGUE. IN GENERAL THE. YOU KNOW LOOKING AT THIS, MY WHOLE GOAL IS TO ONE OF MY GOALS IS TO MAKE IT EASIER TO DO BUSINESS IN GARLAND. SO I'M CONSTANTLY LOOKING FOR OBSTACLES TO DOING BUSINESS IN GARLAND AND OUR SIGN, OUR SIGN REGULATIONS. I HAVE BEEN POINTED OUT TO ME BY BUSINESS OWNERS AND POTENTIAL BUSINESS OWNERS AS AS A HINDRANCE AND AS AN OBSTACLE TO DOING BUSINESS IN GARLAND. JUST ONE EXAMPLE IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A MINOR WAIVER AND A MAJOR WAIVER. AND ONE THING THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER IS WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THE PERSON ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT DAIS.

WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THOSE PEOPLE. THEIR TIME IS MONEY, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S A BUSINESS.

COMING BEFORE COUNCIL ISN'T SOMETHING THAT THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE TO DO. FOR EVERY SINGLE THING RELATED TO OPENING A BUSINESS IN GARLAND, THE LESS TIME THEY HAVE TO COME BEFORE COUNCIL, THE FASTER THEY'RE GOING TO OPEN THEIR BUSINESS, THE FASTER THEY'RE GOING TO BE PAYING SALES TAX, AND THE GREATER THE LIKELIHOOD IS THAT THEY OPEN THEIR BUSINESS HERE, AS OPPOSED TO A NEIGHBOR NEIGHBORING CITY THAT DOESN'T GIVE THEM THE SAME TIME AND TIME CONSTRAINTS AND REGULATIONS. SO ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO TURN A SIMPLE PROCESS TO AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME BEFORE COUNCIL NEEDLESSLY IS A BENEFIT TO DOING BUSINESS IN GARLAND, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO GET THEM THROUGH THE PROCESS FASTER, AND IT'S GOING TO GET THEM THROUGH THE PROCESS WITH LESS MONEY OUT OF POCKET. SO THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS IS MAKE OUR REGULATIONS MAKE SENSE WHEN THE SAME THING COMES BEFORE US OVER AND OVER AND OVER, PRESENTED THE SAME WAY. THAT TELLS US THAT WE NEED TO CHANGE OUR PROCESSES TO MEET THOSE NEEDS. SO THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS. I DON'T THINK IT'S MORE COMPLICATED. I THINK IT'S IT'S MADE TO BE LESS COMPLICATED, AND IT'S MADE TO BE MORE USER FRIENDLY, WITH THE USER BEING BUSINESSES IN GARLAND. SO THAT'S THE POINT OF IT. I THINK STAFF HAS DONE A GREAT JOB. I LIKE THE DIRECTION OF THE PRESENTATIONS GOING, AND I'M EXCITED TO SEE THE DETAILS OF IT IN THE FUTURE. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU SIR. ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM? COUNCIL? I'M WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS. IT'S GOING TO REALLY DEPEND ON THE DETAILS, WHAT WE FIND OUT. BUT I DON'T HAVE ANY STAFF TRYING TO ACHIEVE THE GOALS OF THIS. SO ASK FOR CONSENSUS ON STAFF MOVING FORWARD WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FOR SIGNS. ON THIS ITEM. OR WAS THERE ANOTHER ITEM SEPARATE ITEM OR ITS TEMPORARY SIGNS? IT'S DIFFERENT PART OF JUST LOOKING AT THIS SIGN REGULATIONS RIGHT NOW. SO CONSENSUS COUNCIL LIKE WE HAVE UNANIMOUS. THEY'RE VERY GOOD.

ALL RIGHT CHAIRWOMAN NEXT ITEM OKAY. WE HAD A PATIENT. YES I DO. ALL RIGHT. ONE MOMENT. LET

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MANY OF THEM ARE NOT PERMITTED AT THIS POINT. AND SO OUR APPROACH HAS BEEN SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE BIT REACTIVE IN NATURE. SO WE WANT TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE PROACTIVE APPROACH GOING FORWARD. BUT HERE ARE JUST A FEW. I DIDN'T HAVE TO TRAVEL FAR TO FIND THESE COUPLE THESE HANDFUL OF EXAMPLES. FULL SCREEN. WHERE ARE WE? WHERE ARE WE? WHERE THE TOP LEFT? GO AHEAD. HE'LL BE OUT HERE. I'M NOT SEEING IT. CHECK ME OUT. TOO CLOSE THAT ONE. OKAY. HERE WE GO. ALRIGHT, ALRIGHT. HOW WAS THAT? A LITTLE BIT BETTER. NO. OKAY. ALRIGHT. IS THAT GOOD? ALRIGHT. LET'S PCEED. SO HERE ARE JUST A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES. WE WANT TO SHOW SOME VISUALS OF WHAT WE MOSTLY SEE. SOMETIMES WE SEE THE GIANT HUGE 20 30 FOOT, YOU KNOW, GUMBY THAT'S SWINGING IN THE WIND. BUT MOSTLY IT'S THESE BANNERS THAT ARE SPREAD OUT. RIGHT. BUT EITHER WAY, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY GET A PERMIT FOR IT AND MAKE SURE IT'S SAFE AND MAKE SURE IT'S IT'S PLEASING TO THE ESTHETICS OF THE CITY. ALL RIGHT. SO HERE ARE A FEW DIFFERENT RULES WHEN IT COMES TO PLACEMENT, CONSTRUCTION AND STANDARDS. KEEP IN MIND THEY'RE ONLY ALLOWED ON PREMISE. SO IF YOU'RE GETTING THAT PERMIT IT'S NOT TO BE PLACED IN THE CITY RIGHT AWAY. IT'S NOT TO BE PLACED ON A SEPARATE BUSINESS ADVERTISING YOUR BUSINESS THAT'S 20 YARDS DOWN THE STREET. IT HAS TO BE ON PREMISE. AND OF COURSE, UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES, UNLESS UNLESS APPROVED BY THE CITY, IT CAN'T BE IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. IF IT'S ATTACHED TO A BUILDING, IT NEEDS TO BE SECURELY FASTENED. IT NEEDS TO BE ATTACHED TO THE FACE OF THE BUILDING OR TO THE CANOPY, AS IF YOU HAVE A GAS STATION OF SOME SORT, BUT IT HAS TO BE SECURELY ATTACHED TO THAT VERTICAL FACE OF THE BUILDING OR THE CANOPY. THERE'S ALSO A PROVISION THAT ALLOWS FOR A FREESTANDING DEVICE, BUT IF SO, THAT'S IF YOU HAVE TWO POLES SET OUT. LET ME GO BACK TO THIS PREVIOUS EXAMPLE. SIMILAR TO YOUR TOP LEFT, WE HAVE THE FALL FESTIVAL. YOU HAVE A FREESTANDING DEVICE, FREESTANDING BANNER, BUT YOU HAVE IT ON TWO POLES. SO IF YOU GO THAT ROUTE, IT'S STILL ALLOWABLE, STILL HAS THAT 200 SQUARE FOOT CAP. BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S SECURE AND SAFE BECAUSE YOU WANT TO HAVE IT BE ABLE TO WITHSTAND AT LEAST A 70 MILE PER HOUR WIND. YOU KNOW, WE GET STORMS AND HEAVY WINDS

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WE WANT YOU TO CONFIRM YOUR ZONING AND PD STANDARDS BEFORE PRINTING AND ORDERING. YOU DON'T WANT TO ORDER A 300 SQUARE FOOT SIGN, ONLY TO COME IN AND GET PERMITTED AND REALIZE YOU CANNOT PUT IT UP. SO DO YOUR HOMEWORK BEFORE WE'RE HAPPY TO WORK WITH YOU TO LET YOU KNOW THE REQUIREMENTS APPLY EARLY, SINCE THERE'S ONLY A 20 DAY WINDOW FOR YOU TO PLACE THAT SIGN OUT, YOU LIKELY DON'T WANT TO PUT THAT UP BEFORE YOU'RE READY TO CONDUCT BUSINESS, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU ONLY HAVE 20 DAYS TO DRAW AND ATTRACT RESIDENTS AND CUSTOMERS TO YOUR BUSINESS. SO YOU WANT TO TIME YOUR CAMPAIGN IN THE RIGHT WAY. KEEP IT OFF THE RIGHT OF WAY. MAKE SURE YOUR FREE STANDING DEVICES ARE 15FT AT LEAST FROM THE CURB, RIGHT? SO IF YOU DO HAVE A FREESTANDING DEVICE, IT CANNOT BE WITHIN 15FT FROM THE CURB.

AND THEN OF COURSE REMOVE ON OR BEFORE THE PERMIT IN DATES TO AVOID FURTHER ENFORCEMENT. AND WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. COUNCILMEMBER DUTTON, THANK YOU SO MUCH, BRIAN. YOU SAID THE PERMITS ARE GOOD FOR 20 DAYS, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, 20 DAYS, 20

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WE'RE GOING TO ENFORCE WE'RE GOING TO ENFORCE THEM. I THINK WE'VE JUST TAKEN A REACTIVE APPROACH IN THE PAST. SO WE'RE GOING TO INSTRUCT IF THIS IS THE GUIDANCE THAT WE'RE GIVING, WE'RE GOING TO INSTRUCT THE INSPECTORS TO GO KIND OF STREET BY STREET, MAJOR CORRIDORS, MAJOR COMMERCIAL FACILITIES. AND WE'LL ENFORCE EACH AND EVERY ONE, PLEASE. YES, MA'AM.

I'M GOING TO PIGGYBACK ON THAT. TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE A PLUG FOR FOR BRIAN AND HIS TEAM.

BUT I ANTICIPATE IN DECEMBER EY'RE GOING TO BE READY TO BRING TO COUNCIL SOME SOME NEW APPROACHES TO, TO CODE ENFORCEMENT. I THINK WE'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT OFFLINE ABOUT SOME OF THE STRUCTURAL CHANGES. IT'S BEEN A VERY SPECIALIZED APPROACH OVER THE YEARS. WE'RE LOOKING AT A VERY BROAD APPROACH WHERE EVERYBODY'S TRAINED TO LOOK AT EVERYTHING IN A IN A COUPLE COUNCIL DISTRICTS RATHER THAN BY, BY SPECIALTY. AND SO THAT MEANS THOSE FOLKS ARE BEING TRAINED AS WE SPEAK. THEY HAVE REGULAR MEETINGS WHERE THEY GO OFFLINE AND START TRAINING. SO THEY'RE NOT SPECIALIZED ANYMORE. WE MIGHT PRIORITIZE CORRIDORS, FOR EXAMPLE. THAT'S CLEARLY AN IMPORTANT CORRIDOR AND THEN BRANCH OFF OF THERE. I THINK WE WOULD ALSO BE BRINGING TO YOU SOME SOME PRIORITIES. WE CAN'T DO ALL THINGS AND BE ALL THINGS TO ALL PEOPLE, BUT WE COULD CERTAINLY PRIORITIZE. AND SO WE'D BE BRINGING THAT BACK FOR FEEDBACK. AND THEN THE LAUNCHING OF THE SALESFORCE SOFTWARE, THAT'S ANOTHER AGENDA ITEM WE'LL BE TALKING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT TOMORROW, I BELIEVE. SO JUMPING AHEAD A LITTLE BIT, BUT I'M KIND OF PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT IT. THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE BEEN THE MOST EXCITED ABOUT BECAUSE IT'S A BIG, BIG, BIG, BIG SHIFT IN HOW WE APPROACH CODE COMPLNCE. I APPRECIATE IT. I KNOW CODE COMPLIANCE PROBABLY HAS ONE OF THE LARGER LOADS TO BEAR AS FAR AS CITY ORDINANCES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GUYS DO IT. I WOULD PERSONALLY REALLY ENJOY SEEING SOME ADDITIONAL CODE OFFICERS IN A BUDGET SEASON COMING SOON, BECAUSE THE ASK THAT WE HAVE OF YOU GUYS IS SO LARGE, AND I THINK THAT IF ANY OF US SAT HERE AND ACTED LIKE HOW MANY, HOW MANY CODE OFFICERS DO YOU HAVE? WE HAVE A TOTAL OF 25 OFFICERS, INCLUDING OUR LEAD CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, AND WE HAVE A HUGE CITY. YOU DO.

AND SO I, I THINK FOR US TO SIT IN 90% OF OUR MEETINGS INCLUDE SOMEONE FROM CODE, WHETHER IT'S YOU OR CHRIS HARRIS OR WHATEVER. AND SO I THINK THAT THAT SHOULD TELL ALL OF US HOW MUCH YOU GUYS HAVE AS FAR AS ENFORCING AND THINGS. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GUYS DO IT, BUT WE APPRECIATE YOU. WE SEE YOU AND WE'RE EXCITED TO SEE WHAT THIS NEW ROUTE IS. BUT THANK YOU AGAIN FOR ALL OF YOUR WORK. YES, MA'AM. MUCH APPRECIATED. YOU KNOW, THE TEAM REALLY STEPS UP TO THE CHALLENGES NO MATTER WHAT WE PUT IN FRONT OF THEM, AND WE JUST TAKE THEM ONE AT A TIME. WE DO THE MOST THAT WE CAN DO AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO TO PUSH THAT FORWARD. SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER THOMAS. WE WHEN WE LAST SPOKE, WE TALKED ABOUT ANOTHER WAY TO REPORT THIS. I BELIEVE YOU SENT AN EMAIL ADDRESS. IS THAT WAS THAT ONLY FOR COUNCIL USE. THAT WAS FOR COUNCIL USE. BUT SIR THAT WAS I THINK THAT WAS FOR THE ILLEGAL VENDORS. SO THAT WAS ATTACHED TO THE ILLEGAL VENDING PROGRAM. SO IF, IF ANY OF YOU SEE THAT ON THE WEEKENDS THAT WE DON'T HAPPEN TO CATCH, THEN YOU CAN REPORT THAT TO THAT EMAIL THAT'S SHARED BY

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COUNCIL. THIS IS JUST A QUICK UPDATE ON OUR PROGRESS ON THIS ITEM. AS YOU ARE WELL AWARE, KCSB IS CONDUCTING A HOUSING STUDY. INCLUDED IN THAT IS AN EVALUATION OF WHAT THEY BELIEVE TO BE THE BEST FIT INCENTIVE PROGRAMS BY NEIGHBORHOOD TYPOLOGY. SO THAT INCLUDES THE POSSIBILITY OF USING A CHAPTER 380 AGREEMENT OR BOUNDED AREAS TO INCENTIVIZE MAJOR HOME UPGRADES. I WOULD SAY, AND OR ADDITIONS. BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT HAS PARTNERED WITH THE GARLAND HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION TO DO A DEMONSTRATION HOUSE IN THE FREEMAN HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS OUR CURRENT WHERE THE HEART IS NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IT IS THE AREA THAT THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES COMMITTEE CHARGED US WITH LOOKING AT AS A PILOT. BOUNDED 380 STUDY AREA. AND SO WITH THAT DEMONSTRATION HOUSE, WHICH IS 801 WOODLAND. SO IT'S RIGHT THERE AT THE CORNER OF GLENBROOK AND WOODLAND. WE ACQUIRED THAT PROPERTY ON. WELL, GFK ACQUIRED THAT PROPERTY ON OCTOBER 7TH, AND WE ARE EVALUATING THAT MOST LIKELY WILL INCLUDE AN ADDITION AND SOME MAJOR REHABILITATION, AND WE WILL BE USING THAT AS SOMEWHAT OF A PROOF OF CONCEPT FOR AND PROVIDING A BASIS OF FINANCIAL ANALYSIS FOR WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO POTENTIALLY INCENTIVIZE SIMILAR PROGRAM IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD OR THAT STYLE AND AGE OF HOUSING AND THAT THAT'S OUR UPDATE. COUNCIL. I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT THE COMMITTEE DISCUSSED WHETHER IT WOULD BE BEST TO REMODEL THIS HOME OR TO RAZE E IT AND REBUIL. RAZING AND REBUILDING ACTUALLY PROVIDED A LARGER SQUARE FOOTAGE. A AND WAS, I THINK IT WAS CHEAPER, APPROXIMATELY THE SAME COST. BUT BUT THEY WERE THE SAME COST. BUT REBUILDING NEW GAVE IT, YOU KNOW, A LOT MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND A

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SO WE HAVE AT LEAST SOME FEEDBACK ABOUT WHAT THEIR PRIORITIES ARE. I WANT TO SAY RENOVATE A KITCHEN MIGHT HAVE BEEN TOWARDS THE VERY TOP, BUT DEFINITELY A LOT OF AT A BATHROOM. ADD A BEDROOM. AND I THINK THE INITIAL OBSERVATION FROM KCSB IS THAT ADDING A BATHROOM IS MORE THAN LIKELY GOING TO BE THE HIGHEST RETURN ON A IN A NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE THIS, BECAUSE A LOT OF THE HOUSES ARE TWO ONE, AND HAVING ONLY ONE BATHROOM IS A HUGE HINDRANCE FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE. SO THAT, YOU KNOW. NO, N ABSOLUTE PROMISES. YET, BECAUSE WE'RE VERY EARLY IN, IN THE STAGES OF EVALUATING 801 WOODLAND. BUT THAT IS OUR GOAL

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I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE DETAILS ARE BEHIND THAT. I JUST KNOW THAT WHEN WE SAW IT POSTED, WE WE JUMPED ON IT PARTLY BECAUSE WE WERE LOOKING FOR A HOUSE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND ALSO BECAUSE IT IT IS RIGHT THERE ON A CORRIDOR. SO IT IT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO ALSO CLEAN UP THE, THE FENCE AND, AND THAT PROPERTY LINE. SO IF WE WANT, IF WE, WE WENT THROUGH RECONSTRUCTION OR RENOVATION AND PUT IT ON THE MARKET. SO WHAT'S, WHAT'S OUR PRICE POINT ASKING PRICE POINT, WILL WE BE PARTNERING WITH G G AC OR HOW HOW WOULD WE GO ABOUT IT IF WE WERE TO RENOVATE IT AND PUT IT UP FOR SALE? WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? WE'LL GO THROUGH OUR NORMAL PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT WITH G. H. SO WE PARTNER WITH THEM EVERY YEAR ON A NUMBER OF HOUSES, EITHER INFILL, WHICH IS NEW CONSTRUCTION FROM THE GROUND UP, OR THROUGH OUR GREAT HOMES PROGRAM, WHICH IS MAJOR REHABILITATION, WHICH IS WHAT THIS IS LIKELY TO BE, AND TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT PROGRAM. IT IT FOLLOWS HUD FINANCING, HUD AFFORDABLE HOUSING GUIDELINES.

SO WE HAVE A PROCESS OF WE HAVE TO VET WHO CAN QUALIFY TO BUY THE HOME. AND WE GO THROUGH THAT ESTABLISHED PROSS THAT WE USE ON ALL OF OUR HOMES. SO WE WE ACTUALLY WE ARE THE OWNERS NOW, RIGHT? G H IS TECHNICALLY THE OWNER. THEY'RE OUR DEVELOPMENT PARTNER. BUT THEY WE HAVE A PARTNERSHIP. WE WE DO THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT AND THEY'RE THE FINANCING DEVELOPER. AND WE ALSO WILL PROBABLY CARRY THE NOTE. DO WE HAVE ANY NUMBERS OF ESTIMATES YET TO NEW CONSTRUCTION VERSUS RENOVATION. DO WE HAVE THOSE NUMBERS. WE DO.

I DID NOT BRING THAT WITH ME TONIGHT, BUT THEY WERE VERY CLOSE. THE THE INITIAL ESTIMATE OF WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO RENOVATE ALL THAT'S WRONG WITH THE HOUSE. IT'S GOT A LOT OF FOUNDATION ISSUES, FOR ONE THING. OH, AND EN ALSO TO TRY TO BRING, BRING UP TO MODERN STANDARDS, YOU KNOW, HVAC, THINGS LIKE THAT, PROBABLY ENERGY EFFICIENT WINDOWS TRY TO ADDRESS I BELIEVE THE GARAGE HAS BEEN CONVERTED. TRY TO ADDRESS THAT AND MAYBE RETURN THAT BACK INTO A GARAGE WITHOUT LOSING SQUARE FOOTAGE BY ADDING SQUARE FOOTAGE. ONCE YOU TRY TO DO ALL OF THAT, IT'S VERY CLOSE TO WHAT IT WOULD ALSO COST TO TEAR DOWN AND START OVER.

THAT'S SAID, WE HAVE NOT DONE THE THOROUGH INSPECTION YET, SO. I RETAIN THE RIGHT TO CHANGE THAT ANSWER. BUT THE 60 PLUS NEIGHBORS WHO GIVE YOU FEEDBACK, DID ANY OF THEM EXPRESS AN INTEREST IN. AND IF WHETHER ARE YOU RENOVATING OR ARE YOU GOING TO REBUILD? AND IF SO, DID ANYBODY EXPRESS GO BEYOND THAT AND EXPRESS? WELL, I MAY BE INTERESTED IN BUYING THIS OR OR DID YOU GET ANY FEELINGS LIKE THAT? SO WE HAVE NOT ANNOUNCED TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD YET THAT WE BOUGHT THIS PARTICULAR HOME. WHEN WE SURVEYED THEM, WE ASKED THEM, WHAT DO YOU NEED TO DO IN YOUR HOME? WHAT IS YOUR HIGHEST PRIORITY IN YOUR OWN HOME? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU MAYOR.

THANK YOU SIR. COUNCILMEMBER MOORE THANK. THERE ARE PRICE PARAMETERS ALSO AS IT RELATES TO WHO IS ABLE TO APPLY. CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY. IT'S A VERY GOOD PROGRAM. WE TALKED ABOUT IT QUITE OFTEN. I'M WONDERING NOW ABOUT THE MARKETING. DO WE HAVE FLIERS.

DO WE? I KNOW THAT WE HAVE IT ON OUR WEBSITE AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, BUT HOW DO WE GET THE INFORMATION TO THE HOMEOWNERS? AND I'M THINKING, I KNOW A LOT OF REAL ESTATE COMPANIES THAT ACTUALLY DO MAILERS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, BUT DO WE DO ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN THE WAY OF GETTING THE INFORMATION TO THE HOMEOWNERS TO MAKE THEM AWARE THAT THE PROBLEM EXISTS, TO MAKE THEM AWARE THAT THE HOME IS AVAILABLE FOR SALE? NO, NO.

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I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM COUNCIL? WE HAVE A TIMELINE ON THIS PROGRAM WHEN WE HAVE MORE DETAILS. I KNOW THIS ITEM WAS SUBMITTED PROBABLY OVER A YEAR AGO AT LEAST, WITH 380 AGREEMENTS. AND IT'S BEEN A LONG PROCESS IN COMMITTEE. I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT WHEN WE'RE GOING TO SEE MORE DETAILS. WELL, THE DRAFT REPORT FROM CVB, THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE INCENTIVE RECOMMENDATIONS IS DUE TO ME IN DECEMBER. SO SOMEWHERE IN THAT DECEMBER JANUARY TIMEFRAME. SO THAT WILL TALK ABOUT AREAS THAT LIKELY NEED INCENTIVES. I'M TALKING MORE ABOUT WHAT ARE THE DETAILS OF OUR OWN PROGRAM. I KNOW RICHARDSON HAS A THOROUGH, THOROUGHLY DEVELOPED CHAPTER THREE AGREEMENT, AND IT'S NOT BOUNDED. IT'S FOR ANY HOMEOWNER IN THE WHOLE CITY. AND ORIGINALLY WHEN I FIRST SUBMITTED THIS ITEM, THAT WAS MY INTENT TO HAVE SOMETHING FOR ALL HOMEOWNERS I KNOW OUR ATTORNEY MAY DISAGREE ON THE WAY THAT RICHARDSON'S IMPLEMENTING IT, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE AT LEAST SOMETHING SOONER THAN LATER ON THIS PROGRAM THAT WE CAN HAVE OUR RESIDENTS START TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT. WE MIGHT WE MIGHT NEED TO GO BACK TO ONE OF THE ORIGINAL PRESENTATIONS ON THAT THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT. I THINK WE LOOKED AT SOME SCENARIOS. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. WE STUDIED IT QUITE, QUITE THOROUGHLY IN TERMS OF WHO. BACK TO COUNCILWOMAN DUTTON'S QUESTION WHO WHO WOULD BENEFIT FROM IT AND WHAT IN THE 380 FORMAT, WHAT WOULD MOVE THE NEEDLE ENOUGH TO INCENTIVIZE SOMEBODY TO DO IT? SO THEN THE C, THE B PRESENTATION INCORRECT, BECAUSE THAT IS PEPPERED

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THANK YOU BECKY. OKAY. NEXT, BEFORE I GO TO THE NEXT ITEM, I DO WANT TO. CALL OUT COUNCILMAN JEFF BASS AND COUNCILMAN JOE THOMAS THERE. THE OTHER PART OF THIS COMMITTEE OR WE TOGETHER ARE THE COMMITTEE. AND I DID NOT MENTION THEM EARLIER AND I APOLOGIZE. REVIEW SB 840 PROPOSED AMENDMENTS. THIS WAS REFERRRRED BY COUNCIL MEMBER DUTTON WITH UNANIMOUS SUPPORT FROM THE CITY COUNCIL. THANK YOU. SO THIS IS ONE EVEN THOUGH THIS IS ONLY NOW COMING FOR THE REPORT OUT, A LOT OF DETAIL WORK HAS ALREADY BEEN IN PLACE JUST BECAUSE OF THE URGENCY OF THIS BILL AND ITS IMPACT. WE DID WANT TO KIND OF JUMP IN AND DO SOME LEGWORK EVEN BEFORE THIS REPORT OUT. SO WHATEVER WE'RE PRESENTING HERE TONIGHT, THERE ARE AMENDMENTS THAT WE HAVE WORKED ON. WE'RE ONLY PRESENTING THE IDEAS, BUT PROVIDED IF COUNCIL IS WILLING TO MOVE FORWARD, WE CAN ACTUALLY COME BACK WITH THOSE THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE CITY COUNCIL PRETTY, PRETTY QUICKLY. SO AGAIN SB 840, YOU ALL ARE AWARE OF WHAT THAT BILL IS. ESSENTIALLY ANYWHERE IN THE CITY. THERE'S NONRESIDENTIAL ZONING OTHER THAN INDUSTRIAL, MULTIFAMILY, AND MIXED USE CAN GO IN THERE. SO THAT DOES OPEN UP A LOT OF A LOT OF CHALLENGES IN SOME WAYS COULD BE OPPORTUNITIES TO FOR US TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF JUST TRYING TO SEE E SILVER LINING IN IT. SO A COUPLE THINGS THAT WE LOOKED INTO ALONG WITH THE COMMITTEE, WE'RE GOING TO WANT TO HAVE A SPECIAL STANDARD SECTION FOR MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS. IT COULD BE. CURRENTLY WE HAVE SECTION 2.39, WHICH INCLUDES THE APPLICABLE STANDARDS FOR MULTIFAMILY. IT COULD BE AN EXPANSION ON THAT. OR WE CAN ADD A SPECIAL STANDARD SECTION IN ANOTHER LOCATION WHICH IS 2.52. SO ONE MORE TIME. THE BILL DOES RESTRICT THE CITY FROM IMPOSING MAXIMUM HEIGHT TO BE LESS THAN 45. SO UP TO 45 THE CITY WILL HAVE TO ALLOW. SO IN THAT. WITH THAT IN MIND, WE KIND OF TRIED TO SEE WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF THAT. AND IT IS TRYING TO ADDRESS THE BILL IS TRYING TO ADDRESS THE ONGOING OR FUTURE HOUSING CRISIS IN TEXAS. SO IT IS A VERY URBAN BILL. IT IS A BILL THAT IS TRYING TO FACILITATE URBAN DEVELOPMENT. SO WE WANTED TO TACKLE IT FROM AN URBAN PERSPECTIVE AS WELL. SO FROM THAT WE WANTED TO SINCE THERE'S MAXIMUM HEIGHT, LIKE THERE'S RESTRICTION ON THE CITIES TO IMPOSE MAXIMUM HEIGHT, BUT THERE'S NOTHING ON THE MINIMUM HEIGHT. THAT STILL MEANS TWO STORY GARDEN STYLE APARTMENTS COULD STILL TODAY GO IN TO THOSE AREAS THAT ARE ZONED CR OR MF OR CO, COMMUNITY OFFICE, NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO WE WANTED TO INCREASE THE MINIMUM HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS TO 40FT, WHICH CAN TRANSLATE INTO 3 TO 4 STORIES,

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SO ONE OF IT IS RESTRICTING SURFACE PARKING TO BE IN THE FRONT YARD. THE BILL DOES RESTRICT US FROM REQUIRING STRUCTURED PARKING, BUT TO IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE THAT URBAN FEELING, WE CAN REQUIRE THEM TO PUT THE SURFACE PARKING IN THE BACK OF THE BUILDING. REQUIRING WIDER SIDEWALKS. THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT, WE ADDED A LOT OF HORIZONTAL AND VERTICAL ARTICULATIONS IN THERE, AND WE KIND OF ADDED SOME FLEXIBILITY IN THAT TOO. WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT HERE IN A MINUTE. BLOCK LENGTH, BUILD TWO LINES, THOSE KIND OF THINGS. WE WANTED TO ADD MORE SPECIFICS FOR MULTIFAMILY AND MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS. AND WE ARE PROPOSING A ROBUST, HAVING A ROBUST AMENITIES LIST AND REQUIRE THOSE AMENITIES IN A POINT SYSTEM PER SIZE OF THE DEVELOPMENT. SO ONE ISSUE THAT WE SEE TODAY, AND IT DOESN'T EVEN HAVE TO DO MUCH WITH THE BILL ITSELF, BUT WE HAVE A REQUIREMENT OF A SWIMMING POOL.

SO SOME OF THE MULTIFAMILY PROJECTS THAT COME IN, THEY MAY BE IN DOWNTOWN, OR THEY MAY BE SOMEWHERE WHERE THAT'S 800 SQUARE FOOT SWIMMING. SWIMMING POOL AMENITY MAY NOT MAKE SENSE, BUT THERE COULD BE SOME OTHER TYPE OF AMENITY THAT CAN ENHANCE THAT DEVELOPMENT. SO I THINK THAT THIS WITH THIS AMENDMENT, WE CAN ALSO TACKLE THAT AS WELL. ANOTHER KIND OF BIG PICTURE AMENDMENT THAT WE NTED TO PROPOSE WAS THAT, YES, THE BILL REQUIRES THAT WE ALLOW MULTI-FAMILY USE TO GO WHEREVER COMMERCIALS ALLOWED NONRESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS.

BUT WE ALSO WANTED TO SEE WHAT COUNCIL'S FEELING WOULD BE TO ALLOW TOWNHOMES IN THOSE DISTRICTS AS WELL, JUST TO HAVE NOT JUST MULTIFAMILY. BUT IF SOMEONE WANTS TO DO TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENTS BECAUSE WITH WITH BECKY'S TEAM, WE DO TALK CONSTANTLY ABOUT PROVIDING GREATER HOUSING CHOICES. SO TOWNHOMES ARE AGAIN A BIG PART OF THAT SPECTRUM, THE DIFFERENT TYPE OF CHOICES THAT WE WANT TO PROVIDE. SO IN THIS SITUATION WITH THE BILL, IT'S EASIER FOR SOMEONE TO COME IN AND NOT TO HAVE TO REZONE AND BUILD MULTIFAMILY IN A NONRESIDENTIAL ZONE LAND. BUT FOR IF THEY ARE WANTING TO DO TOWNHOMES, THEN THEY HAVE TO COME IN AND ASK FOR REZONING. SO WE WERE WANTING TO TACKLE THAT BY SEEING IF WE IF COUNCIL WOULD BE AMENABLE TO ALLOW TOWNHOMES IN THOSE DISTRICTS AS WELL. THAT WAY THERE'S MORE DIVERSITY THAT A DEVELOPER HAS THE OPTION TO EXPLORE. THE OTHER TWO, WE TALKED ABOUT HAVING APPLICANT PAID CONSTRUCTION SIGNAGE ON THE SITE, BECAUSE WE KNOW THE COMMUNITY EXPECTS LETTERS WHEN MULTIFAMILY IS GOING NEXT, NEXT DOOR, IF THE PROPERTY IS NOT ZONED FOR MULTIFAMILY, TO JUST ENSURE THAT PEOPLE KNOW IT IS PER STATE BILL AND THE CITY DIDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE MUCH TO DO WITH IT, IT'S JUST TO AVOID THOSE CONFUSION WHERE PEOPLE MAY FEEL, OH, WHY IS THERE THIS PROJECT GOING ON HERE? AND I DIDN'T GET MY ZONING LETTER BECAUSE THERE WAS NO REZONING.

AND ONE OTHER THING THAT I HAD, WE WERE WORKING WITH OUR ENGINEERING TEAM JUST FROM A UTILITY STANDPOINT AND INFRASTRUCTURE STANDPOINT, AND ALSO JUST NOT JUST TO COVER THE ZONING ORDINANCE, BUT ALSO TO COVER OUR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, BECAUSE THIS BILL TALKS ABOUT CONVERSION PROJECTS AND DOES NOT LET US ASK FOR A LOT TO MAKE SURE IF AN OFFICE BUILDING IS BEING CONVERTED INTO MULTIFAMILY, WHETHER OR NOT THE IMPACT IS BEING ADDRESSED BY THE DEVELOPER. SO THERE IS A LOOPHOLE THAT WE FOUND IN THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE THAT TALKS ABOUT DEVELOPMENT, BUT DOESN'T NECESSARILY INCLUDE CONVERSION PROJECTS IN THAT DEFINITION. SO WE WANT TO UPDATE THAT DEFINITION TO INCLUDE CONVERSION PROJECTS SO THAT WE CAN ASK FOR APPLICABLE WATER WASTEWATER CAPACITY ANALYSIS. JUST A FEW EXAMPLES OF WHAT WE HAVE ALREADY WORKED ON. AND THE POINT SYSTEM IDEA CAME FROM THE COMMITTEE. AND WE THINK IT'S AN AMAZING APPROACH. SO FOR AMENITIES, WE HAVE BUILT OUT THIS BIG LIST NOW, AND WE HAVE ASSIGNED POINTS BASED ON IMPACT OF THOSE THINGS. FOR EXAMPLE, A POOL HAS 20 POINTS,

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THEY CAN PICK A DOG PARK. THEY CAN PICK A GRILL AND THEN TOGETHER THEN THEY HAVE TEN POINTS. OR THEY CAN DO SOMETHING ELSE. THEY CAN TAKE A FITNESS CENTER. THEN THAT'S TEN POINTS. SO WE DO 21 UP TO 21, THEN 21 TO 75, 76 TO 200, 201 TO 500. THEN ABOVE 500 WE HAVE THE MOST POINT REQUIRED, WHICH IS 70 POINTS. ONE OF MY STAFF MEMBERS DID MENTION TO ME THAT, HEY, YOU'RE STILL NEEDING YOU'RE STILL WANTING TEN POINTS FOR A A SITE THAT MAY ONLY BE SIX UNITS. SO WE DIDN'T REALLY ADDRESS IT. LIKE IF IT'S A REALLY INFILL DEVELOPMENT, FOUR UNITS OR SIX UNITS, IS IT TRULY NECESSARY TO HAVE THOSE TEN POINTS OR NOT? MAYBE WE COULD THINK ABOUT THAT, BUT ONE OF MY STAFF DID POINTED OUT TO ME THAT, HEY, EVEN NOW YOU'RE REQUIRING FOR UP TO 20 DWELLING UNITS, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE SOME AMENITIES, WHICH I WANT TO HAVE SOME AMENITIES, BUT THERE ARE CERTAIN IDEAS OUT THERE THAT WE MAY WANT TO EXPLORE.

THE OTHER THING THAT WE LOOKED AT WAS BUILDING A FLEXIBILITY BASED ON ALTERNATE IDEAS, ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY. IF THEY'RE SHOWING THAT THEY'RE USING BUILDING MATERIALS, CONSTRUCTION TECHNIQUES OR OTHER THINGS THAT PROMOTE ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY, THEY GET TO DEVIATE SOME FROM THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS. IF THEY'RE PROVIDING CERTAIN PERCENTAGES, WINDOWS AND GLAZING, THEY GET TO DEVIATE. THEY DON'T HAVE TO, BUT THEY COULD DO THESE EXTRA THINGS TO ASK FOR SOME DEVIATIONS IN AN OTHERWISE ROBUST ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN STANDARDS. THAT IDEA ALSO CAME FROM THE COMMITTEE. SO WE ARE VERY, VERY THANKFUL FOR THAT. THERE'S ANOTHER THING THAT WE WANTED TO POINT OUT HERE. LIKE IF IT'S SOMETHING DISTINCT, IF IT'S AN A UNIQUE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE, IT COULD BE A MURAL, IT COULD BE A SIGNAGE, IT COULD BE AN ENTRYWAY FEATURE. IF THEY'RE GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND ON THOSE THINGS, THAT IS ESTABLISHING THAT DEVELOPMENT AS SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE WILL REMEMBER, SOMETHING UNIQUE. THEY HAVE THE OPTION TO ASK FOR A COUPLE DEVIATIONS FROM THE BUILDING AND ARTICULATION DESIGN STANDARDS. I KNOW THIS HAD COME UP BEFORE AS WELL. WE WHEN THE SOUTH GARLAND REZONING HAPPENED AND WE WORKED ON THE URBAN RESIDENTIAL AND URBAN BUSINESS ZONING DISTRICTS, WE WANTED TO ESTABLISH A 100 FOOT SETBACK. WHEN A MULTIFAMILY IS GOING NEXT TO EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY. WITH THIS, THERE IS THAT LIMITATION THAT WE HAVE TO ALLOW A MAXIMUM. WE HAVE TO ALLOW THEM 45FT AND AFTER BEYOND THE 45 WE CAN ALLOW, WE CAN APPLY THAT RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY SLOPE THAT YOU SEE ON THE SLIDE SO THAT WE ARE STILL ABLE TO DO. AND THEN WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT STRENGTHENING OUR PERIMETER SCREENING WHEN IT'S NEXT TO EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT. SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE GENERAL IDEAS THAT WE HAVE EXPLORED WITH THE COMMITTEE. THIS ITEM IS. CRITICAL IN TERMS OF WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY APPLICATIONS YET FOR SB 840, BUT I HAVE HEARD PLANO HAS 32 APPLICATIONS CURRENTLY AND DALLAS HAS OVER 100. SO PEOPLE ARE PREPARING TO SUBMIT APPLICATIONS. WE HAVE GOTTEN FIT MEETINGS WHERE PEOPLE HAVE SAID, OH, HEY, HOW IS THIS BILL GOING TO WORK? WE HAVE LIKE PEOPLE HAVE REACHED OUT TO US ASKING ABOUT IT. SO I DO THINK IT'S CRITICAL FOR THIS ONE TO BE IN PLACE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE SO THAT WHEN THE TIME COMES AND WE GET OUR FIRST APPLICATION, WE CAN APPLY THESE REGULATIONS. AND I'LL SAY THIS, I'VE TALKED TO A FEW DEVELOPERS WHO HAVE ASKED LIKE, HEY, WHAT ARE YOU ALL DOING? THEY'RE ALSO WAITING TO SEE SOME SPECIFIC GUIDELINES FROM US SO THAT THEY'RE NOT REALLY COMING INTO AN UNCERTAIN STANDARD SITUATION. SO THAT'S ALL WE HAVE RIGHT NOW AND WE'RE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. COUNCILMEMBER MOORE THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. HAPPY TO WANT TO CONGRATULATE YOU ON YOUR AWARD. OUTSTANDING PLANNER. 4035 I'M

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ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON ITEM? I MUST SAY THAT ONE OF MY PROJECTS IN DALLAS RIGHT NOW, THEY REQUIRE A SENATE BILL. 840 PRESCREEN APPLICATION. NOW IMAGINE YOU'VE SEEN THAT. YEAH.

ONE OF THE AND THIS IS A PREVIEW OF OUR NEXT ITEM, THE TML IS THAT THEY HAD A PRESENTATION ON LEGISLATIVE ISSUES AFFECTING PLANNING. AND ONE WAS SPECIFICALLY CITY RESPONSES TO SENATE BILL 840. AND IT TALKED ABOUT MINIMUM HEIGHTS REQUIRING PARKING GARAGES, ENHANCED LANDSCAPING, ENHANCED AMENITIES. I SEE THAT'S ONE THAT YOU HAVE AS WELL. UNIT MIX, MONEY FOR PUBLIC ART, DECORATIVE PAVING, LANDSCAPE. I THINK THEY'RE JUST THROWING EVERYTHING AT THEY CAN TO SEE IF ANYTHING STICKS. AND ONE ITEM THAT THEY DID SPEAK ABOUT IS THAT AS CITIES RESPOND TO THIS, IT WILL LIKELY BE A TOPIC IN THE NEXT SESSION WITH THE YES, THE LEGISLATIVE RESPONSE TO THAT. SO BUT I COMMEND YOU FOR GOING AND BEING PROACTIVE IN GETTING SOME REGULATIONS OUT THERE ALREADY ON THIS. SO COUNCIL THEN I GUESS LOOKING DO WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ADDITIONAL REGULATIONS ON THESE CHAPTER OR THESE. SENATE BILL 840 REGULATIONS. IT LOOKS LIKE THERE WE GO. YEAH THERE WE GO.

ALL RIGHT. PLEASE PROCEED. AND WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO SEE WHAT YOU COME UP WITH. ALL RIGHT.

ANYTHING ELSE FROM THAT DEPARTMENT? FROM THAT COMMITTEE I SHOULD SAY YES. WE HAVE THREE MORE. TWO MORE ITEMS. EVALUATE DESIGN ELEMENTS OF ANTENNAS. THIS WAS REFERRED BY COUNCIL MEMBER THOMAS WITH A SECOND BY ME. THAT'S RIGHT. WELL, WE'VE COVERED A LOT IN COMMITTEE, SO.

IT'S BEEN BUSY. ALL RIGHT. SO WE WERE ASKED TO LOOK AT THE MOSTLY. CELL PHONE ANTENNA DESIGN. SO THAT AND MOST OF THIS CENTERED AROUND THE CONROE MODEL. AND SO IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THEM THIS THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. IT STARTED THE CONVERSATION. THESE CONROE PINES ARE THEY'RE CLASSIFIED AS CAMOUFLAGED. ANTENNA. THERE WERE CONROE ORDINANCE DOES REQUIRE THEM IN CERTAIN DISTRICTS. THERE ARE ONLY THREE OF THEM CURRENTLY. AND THEY DON'T HAVE ANY PLANS TO ADD ANY MORE. AND THAT'S PRIMARILY BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED IN THEIR RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, EVEN THOUGH THEIR CAMOUFLAGED AND THEIR, THEIR RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS ARE GROWING SO MUCH THAT THEY'RE KIND OF PUSHING THE ANTENNA OUT OF THE OUT OF THE DISTRICTS THEMSELVES. ONE MAJOR QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED BY COUNCIL IS, CAN WE LEGALLY REGULATE CELL PHONE ANTENNAS? AND THE ANSWER IS YES. IT HAS TO BE DONE BY ORDINANCE AND IT NEEDS TO BE CONSISTENT ACROSS THE BOARD. IT CAN'T JUST BE DIFFERENT REGULATIONS FOR DIFFERENT PROVIDERS. SO ONE WAY THAT COULD BE DONE IS BY DISTRICT, WHICH IS WHAT CONROE DID. AND KIND OF SIMILAR TO OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE. WE'RE ALSO ASKED TO LOOK AT THE COST. THE MONO PINES WERE INSTALLED IN 2016, AND WHEN THEY WERE INSTALLED, THEY COST $38,000.

THAT SEEMS TO HAVE ABOUT TRIPLED IN COST BY NOW. SO IT'S WE'RE STILL SEVERAL YEARS DOWN THE ROAD FROM THE INSTALLATION OF THE MONO PINES. THEY ARE ALL PRIVATELY OWNED. CONROE DOESN'T

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AND WE STRONGLY ENCOURAGE STEALTH ANTENNA THROUGH OUR OUR ORDINANCE, AS WELL AS CO-LOCATION OF ANTENNAS SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE QUITE AS MANY TOWERS. EACH TOWER HAS MORE THAN ONE ANTENNA ON IT. WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE IMPACT OF THE REGULATION ON DEVELOPMENT. SIX G, AS IT TURNS OUT, IS JUST RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER ABOUT FIVE YEARS AWAY IN EARLY 2030.

SO THAT MIGHT BE A CONSIDERATION FOR ANY CITIES THAT ARE CONSIDERING INSTALLING ANTENNAS OR GETTING IN THE ANTENNA BUSINESS. AND ALSO WAS A DEFINITE CONSIDERATION OF PRIVATE ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE INSTALLING ANTENNA. WE LOOKED AT THE ANTENNA PERMITS OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, AND WE'VE SEEN KIND OF A STEADY DECLINE. I THINK THERE WERE FIVE FOR THIS YEAR, AND ONE OF THOSE WAS ACTUALLY DEMOLITION PERMIT. THE SIX ANTENNAS ARE EXPECTED TO BE MUCH SMALLER AND MORE EASILY INTEGRATED INTO OTHER OBJECTS, TOWERS, FACES OF BUILDINGS.

THEY'RE SAID TO BE MAYBE THE SIZE OF A CELL PHONE. SO YOU CAN IMAGINE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO REQUIRE THESE 85 FOOT TO 100 FOOT TOWERS LIKE THE CURRENT 5G TECHNOLOGY. AND SO WITH ALL THAT, WE WE THOUGHT WE MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER NOT INTRODUCING BARRIERS WITH FURTHER LEGISLATION THAT WOULD PREVENT OR DISCOURAGE SIX ANTENNAS COMING INTO TOWN. WE DON'T WANT TO PUT GARLAND AT THE BACK OF THE LIST. AND SO ALL THAT THAT WAS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE DO HAVE A VERY CURRENT, UP TO DATE ORDINANCE THAT WAS JUST PASSED IN MARCH. IT DOES STRONGLY ENCOURAGE STEALTH ANTENNA, WHICH ARE SIMILAR TO THE CAMOUFLAGE ANTENNA THAT ARE IN THE MONO PINES OF CONROE. BUT WITH A FEW DIFFERENT STIPULATIONS THAT MAKE THEM A LITTLE MORE APPEALING TO THE SIX G TECHNOLOGY THAT'S COMING.

BUT THEN THAT RAISED THE QUESTION OF WHAT DO WE DO WITH ALL THESE HUGE 5G TOWERS THAT ARE SCATTERED AROUND TOWN? WILL THEY BE OBSOLETE AND JUST ABANDONED? SO WE DID LOOK AT OUR CURRENT SPS AND AND OUR SPS. THERE IS AN ABANDONMENT CLAUSE WHICH BASICALLY SAYS IF THE TOWER IS ABANDONED, IS NO LONGER BEING USED AS THE SP WAS DESIGNED FOR, THEN IT'S NULL AND VOID AND IT GOES BACK TO THE PREVIOUS BASE ZONING OF THAT PLOT OF LAND. SO WE DO HAVE SOME TEETH IN OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE AND WITH OUR CURRENT SPS TO HELP US GET RID OF ANY ABANDONED TOWERS, IF THAT SHOULD BE AN ISSUE, AS WE GO FORWARD. AND WITH THAT, I THINK THAT'S THE QUICKEST PRESENTATION OF THE NIGHT. COUNCIL. ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? I SEE? NO. YEAH. WE REALLY WANTED TO SEE MONO PINE ANTENNAS. WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE REALLY COOL, BUT I THINK WE'RE A LITTLE BEHIND THE TIMES IMPLEMENTING THAT. SO UNFORTUNATELY PUT UP A BUNCH OF METAL TREES IN TOWN IF PEOPLE REALLY WANT TO SEE THEM, I'M DOWN WITH THAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. REVIEW PROCESS FOR DESIGNATION OF OUTSIDE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TOOLS, FOREIGN TRADE ZONES, PACE PROGRAM, ETC. THIS WAS REFERRED BY COUNCIL MEMBER BASS WITH A SECOND BY ME. OKAY GOOD EVENING MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL KIMBERLY GARDUNO, BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT MANAGER I'LL BE GIVING A VERY QUICK UPDATE ON SOME COMMON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TOOLS. I WANT TO POINT OUT REGARDING THE FEDERAL AND STATE PROGRAMS. THIS IS NOT AN ALL ENCOMPASSING LIST. THIS IS JUST A VERY BRIEF LIST OF SOME OF THE MAJOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TOOLS WE'RE CURRENTLY LOOKING AT. REGARDING THE BROWNFIELD GRANT BY EPA.

OUR DEPARTMENT DID RECEIVE A $500,000 ASSESSMENT GRANT. WE ARE CURRENTLY LOOKING FOR A THIRD PARTY ADMINISTRATOR FOR THIS GRANT. ALSO, REGARDING THE PACE PROGRAM, THIS IS ALSO WITH EPA. WE ARE ALSO REVIEWING AND LOOKING FOR A THIRD PARTY ADMINISTRATOR FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROGRAM AS WELL. BUT AS I MENTIONED AT THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES COMMITTEE

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AND ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO THE EPA, THOSE CONTACTS, THEY'RE NOT IN THE OFFICE. SO IT DOES IMPACT US BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH THEM WHILE THE GOVERNMENT IS SHUT DOWN. OBVIOUSLY, WHEN IT RESUMES, WE WILL ABSOLUTELY REACH OUT AND RESUME THOSE COMMUNICATIONS. BUT WHEN IT COMES TO CERTAIN AGENCIES, WHILE THEY'RE SHUT DOWN, WE HAVE WE'RE NOT ABLE TO REACH OUT TO THOSE FOLKS BECAUSE THEY'RE LITERALLY NOT IN THE OFFICE. ANY OTHER ANY OTHERS THAT YOU CARE TO MENTION THAT, THAT ARE DIRECTLY AFFECTING US AND OUR ABILITY TO ACCESS THOSE FUNDS, THAT PROGRAMS THAT ARE LISTED THERE? WELL, SOME OF THE STATE PROGRAMS OBVIOUSLY ARE NOT AFFECTED. SO WE'RE CONTINUING TO DO THE RESEARCH ON ON THOSE. AND AS I WAS SAYING, THAT LIST IS NOT ALL ENCOMPASSING. THOSE ARE JUST KIND OF LIKE SOME OF THE MAJOR COMMON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TOOLS WE'RE LOOKING AT WHILE WE'RE DOING THIS RESEARCH. ONCE WE LAUNCH OUR WEBSITE, WE'LL HAVE A FULL LIST AND IT'LL BE BROKEN DOWN BY FEDERAL PROGRAM, STATE PROGRAMS, LOCAL PROGRAMS. IT WOULD BE A MUCH FULLER LIST.

WE'LL HAVE. YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR, I THINK IN TWO INSTANCES. CAN YOU ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT ON ON YOUR RECRUITING AND WHERE YOU ARE ON THAT? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE THIRD PARTY ADMINISTRATORS ON THOSE TWO TWICE? YES. AND YOU SO HELP US UNDERSTAND THAT. RIGHT. THE FACEBOOK PROGRAM AND THE BROWNFIELD PROGRAM. OKAY. AND SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF THE PROCESS OF, OF, OF WRITING THOSE AGREEMENTS AND GETTING THEM AUTHORIZED. YEAH. SO YOU'RE NOT LOOKING FOR A BODY THEN, RIGHT? NO. OKAY. OKAY.

THAT'S WHAT I WASN'T SURE ABOUT. YOU SAID WE'RE LOOKING FOR. YEAH. A BODY. I THOUGHT YOU WERE RECRUITING A LIVE BODY. NO, TO MANAGE THOSE PROGRAMS. BUT THAT'S NOT TRUE. OKAY, OKAY, OKAY. THAT HELPS. OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. MAYOR. THANK YOU. I COULD ADD TO, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE PURVIEWS OF THIS BEING AT THE COMMITTEE WAS TO KIND OF A TAKE INVENTORY OF WHAT WE DO AND WHAT ARE SOME OTHER TOOLS THAT WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT. AND THEN SO KIMBERLY HAS BEEN WORKING ON A PROJECT. IF YOU WANT TO ELABORATE, YOU CAN. WE'VE ENGAGED A KIND OF A CONSULTANT TO HELP US REFRESH OUR WEBSITE. AND SO MAKING SURE THAT ALL OF THE TOOLS IN THE TOOLBOX FROM FEDERAL, STATE, LOCAL, ANYTHING, OUR FACADE PROGRAMS, THINGS RELATED TO GRANT PROGRAM, IT'S GOING TO BE A COMPREHENSIVE TOOLBOX THAT'S ON ON OUR NEW WEBSITE. THAT'S GOING TO BE KIND OF A NEW REFRESH. YES. SO THE COMPANY IS SWEET, AND WE'VE CONTRACTED WITH THEM TO HELP US BUILD A BRAND NEW WEBSITE. AND ONE OF THE FEATURES WE'VE DISCUSSED AND DEFINITELY HEARING THE FEEDBACK IS WE'LL HAVE A DEDICATED PAGE FOR SOME OF THESE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TOOLS. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU SIR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT. MAYOR PRO TEM, CARE TO WRAP US UP? YES. I THINK THEY ALL WRAPPED IT UP FOR US. VERY GOOD. I HAVE NOTHING TO ADD. I DO WANT TO THANK ANDY HESTER FOR. HE'S OUR COMMITTEE LIAISON, AND HE'S BEEN DRIVING US FORWARD THROUGH ALL OF THESE ITEMS. SO THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU, THANK YOU KIMBERLY. MOVE ON THEN TO OUR NEXT ITEM IS

[6. Texas Municipal League (TML) Annual Conference Report]

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SO THAT WASN'T I DID NOT ATTEND THAT ONE SINCE THAT WAS A DUPLICATE. WENT TO ONE ON.

PROPERTY TAXES AND SALES TAX BECAUSE I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND ALL OF THAT 100% AND THEY DUMBED IT DOWN FOR ME. SO NOW I'M A LOT MORE UNDERSTANDING ON HOW THAT WORKS, AND I THINK I CAN EXPLAIN THAT BETTER TO PEOPLE THAT ASK ME ABOUT WHY THEIR PROPERTY TAXES HAVE GONE UP. IT WAS A GOOD CONFERENCE. IT'S A LONG DRIVE EVERY DAY, AND IT'S VERY TIRED WHEN IT WAS OVER. SO THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER DUTTON GO TO YOU, MAYOR. THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, CML HAS BEEN LARGELY FOCUSED ON ALMOST LIKE MICRO CITIES. SO A LOT OF THE. THE LITTLE SESSIONS, THE LITTLE BREAKOUT SESSIONS ARE KIND OF OBSOLETE TO US. HOWEVER, THE THE NETWORKING THAT YOU GET TO DO AT TML IS PROBABLY THE MOST VALUABLE THING. GETTING TO TALK TO OTHER PEOPLE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEIR CHALLENGES ARE. AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN A BIG CITY, SO WE THINK THAT IT'S EASIER OR, YOU KNOW, LITTLE, LITTLE TOWNS HAVE IT EASIER. BUT WHEN YOU HEAR THAT SOMEONE HAS A $20,000 YEARLY BUDGET, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE THEIR CITY RUN AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S INTERESTING. AND IT WAS A LOT OF FUN TO HEAR SOMEONE TALK ABOUT THEIR ROADS HADN'T BEEN REPAIRED IN OVER 20, 30 YEARS. AND SO THEY CUT A DEAL WITH TXDOT THAT TXDOT HAD SOME OLD CEMENT. AND SO IF HE FOUND A TRUCK, THEN TXDOT WOULD BRING GROUNDED UP CEMENT AND LAY IT DOWN FOR THEM SO THAT THEY HAD REPAVED ROADS. SO IT'S IT'S REALLY COOL TO HEAR, YOU KNOW, SOME O OF THE STRUGGLES THAT OTHER CITIES FACE AND EVEN JUST HEARING THEY HAVE A LOT OF THE SAME STRUGGLES WE DO, JUST MAYBE NOT THE POPULATION THAT WE DO, BUT THE SAME STRUGGLES ARE THERE JUST IN A DIFFERENT A DIFFERENT CAPACITY. SO THANK YOU. VERY GOOD. AND MYSELF, I ATTENDED SIX OF THE SESSIONS, A COUPLE AFFECTING LEGISLATIVE ISSUES THAT I'VE ALREADY TOUCHED UPON. BUT REALLY OUT OF THOSE ARE SAYING, LOOKING AHEAD TO THE 2027 LEGISLATIVE SESSIONS, THERE'S GOING TO BE CONTINUED FOCUS ON LAND USE, WHICH WE'VE DISCUSSED TONIGHT, OF COURSE, ALREADY ALSO COMMUNITY CENSORSHIP, TALKING ABOUT CUTTING T TAXPAYER FUNDED LOBBYING. AND THERE'S GOING TO BE EIGHT NEW SENATORS OUT OF THE 31 SENATORS COMING UP IN TEXAS STATE LEGISLATURE VERY SOON. SO GET TO KNOW YOUR NEW SENATORS IF YOU'RE IN THAT AREA.

AND ALSO, SUPER PREEMPTION IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE A THING THAT TAKING POWER AWAY FROM MUNICIPALITIES AND CITIES. COUNCIL MEMBER BEARD MENTIONED ONE THAT WAS ABOUT IT WAS CALLED UP IN SMOKE, TALKING ABOUT VAPES AND DELTA NINE, DELTA EIGHT AND HEMP PRODUCTS IN DALLAS. SEEMS LIKE THOSE ARE COMING ON. CBD SHOPS ARE COMING IN EVERY LOCATION. IT WAS GIVEN A TALK BY THE POLICE CHIEF OF ALLEN, AND HE BASICALLY SAID THE ENFORCEMENT IS NOT A PRIORITY FOR POLICE DEPARTMENTS. SO YOU'RE KIND OF ON YOUR OWN RIGHT NOW FOR ENFORCING THOSE, WHETHER THE THE LEGALITY OR THE POTENCY OF ALL OF THESE. AND THERE'S A LOT OF MISLABELING GOING ON AND ALL OF THEIR PRODUCTS THAT IT'S IT'S KIND OF THE WILD WEST IN, IN THOSE KIND

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AND FINAL ONE WAS TALKING ABOUT MANAGING COMMUNITY ASSETS. AND THIS IS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GARLAND'S CHALLENGE. THIS WAS EXACTLY THAT. THE THERE WAS SOME CITY MANAGER FROM FATE OR A PLANNER FROM FATE TALKED ABOUT THEIR ISSUES THAT THEY HAVE WITH MAINTAINING CITY INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE UNFUNDED LIABILITIES BEHIND THAT. THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A FISCAL ANALYSIS TOOL THAT THEY USE FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS, GIVEN THEIR EXISTING TAX RATE, AND BREAK DOWN THE LIABILITIES FOR INFRASTRUCTURE THAT ARE TO GO ALONG WITH THAT DEVELOPMENT. SO IT'S AN INTERESTING SPREADSHEET THEY SHARED TO PLAY AROUND WITH. IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE TAKE A LOOK AT FOR DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE IN THE FUTURE. SO A LOT OF GOOD STUFF.

I TRIED TO TO GO TO OS THATAT DIRELY MAY HELP THE PROCESSES AND PROGRAMS WE HAVE HERE IN GARLAND, SO THANK YOU. IT WAS INTERESTING CONFERENCE OVERALL. THANKFULLY IT WAS CLOSE IN FORT WORTH. WELL RELATIVELY CLOSE. DIDN'T HAVE TO FLY BUT. GOOD CONFERENCE AND LOOKING FORWARD MAYBE NEXT YEAR. ALL RIGHT I THINK THAT'S UNLESS ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS. WE'LL MOVE ON

[7. ​Update on the DART City Manager's ​Working Group]

AND SO WE WANTED TO INCLUDE SOME INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT THAT WHAT THAT PROCESS IS, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AND MAKE THAT AVAILABLE TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND ALSO TO THE PUBLIC IN TERMS OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. AND THEN FINALLY THERE'S A THERE'S A SLIDE AT THE END, BECAUSE IN THE CONVERSATION ABOUT DART, THERE'S A LOT THAT WE DON'T KNOW AS TO THE FUTURE OF DART.

AND SO A LOT OF WHAT WE HAVE HERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS TONIGHT. AND BUT WE DO HAVE SOME INFORMATION AND WANTED TO UPDATE THE PUBLIC AND THE COUNCIL AS FAR AS WHAT THE LEGAL AND FINANCIAL PROCESS IS WHEN IT COS TO WITHDRAWAL. BUT FIRST, I WANT TO BEGIN WITH JUST AN UPDATE ON THE ON THE CITY MANAGER WORKING GROUP. YOU'LL RECALL THAT AS THE DISCUSSIONS BETWEEN DART AND ITS 13 MEMBER CITIES HAVE KIND OF REACHED A STALEMATE OVER THE PAST FEW MONTHS, A LAST DITCH EFFORT WAS MADE BY THE NORTH TEXAS COMMISSION AND THE NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COG TO PULL TOGETHER A GROUP OF CITY MANAGERS FROM SIX OF THE MEMBER CITIES. THAT INCLUDES GARLAND, TO TRY TO WORK THROUGH SOME OF THE DETAILS OF GOVERNANCE, FUNDING AND SERVICE FOR DART. AND SO WE STARTED EARLY IN OCTOBER AND STARTED WORKING

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AND WHILE WE GOT OFF TO A REALLY GOOD START WITH GOVERNANCE, THE PROGRESS PRETTY MUCH STALLED OUT THERE. ON THE GOVERNANCE FRONT, WHAT WHAT EMERGED FROM THE WORKING GROUP WAS A BOARD GOVERNANCE MODEL THAT HAD A TOTAL OF 20 BOARD SEATS AND 26.5 VOTES SPREAD OUT ACROSS THE 13 MEMBER CITIES. YOU KIND OF SEE IN THE IN THE TABLE THERE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, THE THE TWO THINGS THAT WERE REALLY A DRIVING FORCE HERE. AND FOR COMPARISON'S SAKE, THE CURRENT DART BOARD IS 15 MEMBERS, 15 SEATS. A LOT OF THOSE ARE SHARED BETWEEN MEMBER CITIES. SO SOME OF THE CORE PRINCIPLES THAT THE THE GROUP AGREED ON IS THAT NO SINGLE CITY OUT OF THE 13 MEMBER CITIES SHOULD HOLD A BOARD MAJORITY, IN PARTICULAR DART.

RIGHT NOW, DART DOES HOLD A MAJORITY OF OF THE DALLAS SORRY DART. DART DALLAS HOLDS A MAJORITY OF THE OF THE 15 SEATS WITH EIGHT VOTES. THE SEVEN OTHER CITIES OR SEVEN OTHER SEATS ARE REPRESENTED BY THE OTHER CITIES. THE OTHER. THE OTHER PRINCIPLE IS THAT EVERY EVERY OF EVERY DART CITY SHOULD HAVE AT LEAST ONE BOARD SEAT. AND SO WHAT WE ENDED UP WITH IS A TIERED STRUCTURE. AGAIN, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE HOW THAT PLAYS OUT ON THE ON THE TABLE THERE.

GARLAND, IRVING AND PLANO BOTH HAVE TWO SEATS AND TWO VOTES EACH. AND CITIES UNDER 250,000 HAVE AND ABOVE 100,000 HAVE ONE BOARD SEAT WITH ONE AND A HALF VOTES. AND THAT INCLUDES CARROLLTON AND RICHARDSON IN THAT CATEGORY. SO DALLAS ENDS UP WITH ABOUT 40% REPRESENTATION OUT OF THE OUT OF THE VOTES THAT ARE THERE. SO THEN WE PIVOTED OVER TO FUNDING AND SERVICE DISCUSSIONS. AND THIS IS REALLY WHERE WE DIDN'T GET A LOT OF PROGRESS GOING AT OUR VERY LAST MEETING, WE WE TALKED BRIEFLY ABOUT KIND OF AN EMERGING FRAMEWORK FOR POSSIBLE CONSIDERATION. AND WHEN THE WHEN THE MAYORS AND CITY MANAGERS OF ALL THE 13 CITIES GET BACK TOGETHER LATER THIS MONTH, NEXT WEEK, I'M HOPING THAT THIS WILL BE PART OF THE CONVERSATION. SO IF YOU IF YOU BREAK DOWN THE 1% SALES TAX INTO DIFFERENT CATEGORIES, ESSENTIALLY YOU COULD ASSUME THAT A PART OF THAT 1% IS GOING TO GO TO SOME REGIONAL PREMIUM, MEANING THAT ALL MEMBER CITIES ARE SPENDING SOME PORTION OF THEIR OR DONATING SOME PORTION OF THEIR 1% SALES TAX TO SYSTEM WIDE RAIL SYSTEM WIDE BUS, THAT THAT CREATES A REGIONAL A REGIONAL PREMIUM. AND SO THAT PROBABLY MAKES UP A PRETTY GOOD PART OF THAT 1% SALES TAX REVENUE THAT THAT CITIES GIVE TO DART. ON TOP OF THAT YOU WOULD HAVE. AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A HYPOTHETICAL FRAMEWORK. YOU WOULD HAVE A SORT OF BUY IN OPTION OR A LA CARTE SERVICES THAT CITIES COULD CHOOSE TO TAKE THAT 1% REVENUE AND BUY INTO ADDITIONAL SERVICES. SO LOCAL BUS ROUTES, MAYBE SOME GO LINK SERVICES IN THEIR COMMUNITY. AND THEN FINALLY ON TOP OF THAT, YOU WOULD HAVE WHATEVER FUNDS AREEFT OVER TO GO TO A GENERAL MOBILITY PROGRAM THAT THE CITIES COULD USE TO GO TOWARD ANY SERVICES, TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS, STREET PROJECTS, SIDEWALKS, ETC. THAT WOULD THAT WOULD QUALIFY UNDER A GENERAL MOBILITY PROGRAM. SO AGAIN, WE DIDN'T WE DIDN'T SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON THIS BECAUSE THERE WAS REALLY DART DIDN'T WANT TO GO DOWN THIS ROAD. I THINK THEY'RE MORE OPEN TO IT NOW. BUT THERE IS A THAT THAT WAS A FRAMEWORK THAT CAME OUT OF IT. WE WE WORDSMITH SOME SHARED VALUES AND GOALS. BUT AGAIN, THERE WAS REALLY NO CONSENSUS THAT THAT CAME OUT OF THAT DOCUMENT AS WELL. SO AS FAR AS THE WORKING GROUP GOES, THE NORTH TEXAS COMMISSION AND THE COG IS GETTING THE CITY MANAGERS AND MAYORS BACK TOGETHER NEXT WEEK TO KIND OF RECAP THIS WORKING GROUP AND TALK ABOUT NEXT STEPS IN TERMS OF WHERE IT GOES FROM THERE. I'M SURE YOU'VE SEEN THE NEWS WHERE THERE ARE FOUR DART CITIES THAT HAVE CALLED FOR MEETINGS THIS WEEK TO POTENTIALLY VOTE ON ON CALLING A DART WITHDRAWAL ELECTION FOR THEIR COMMUNITIES NEXT MAY, MATT'S GOING TO TALK SOME MORE ABOUT THE LEGAL AND FINANCIAL FRAMEWORK BEHIND THAT. FOR CONTEXT, IF YOU TAKE ALL THE SALES TAX CONTRIBUTIONS FROM THOSE FOUR CITIES ALONE, IT'S ABOUT 30% OF DART'S TOTAL SALES TAX RECEIPTS. SO 250 MILLION OUT OF 850 MILLION IS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT. AND I THINK SOME IMPORTANT CONSIDERATIONS FOR COUNCIL TO BE THINKING ABOUT.

AGAIN, WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR NECESSARILY DIRECTION TONIGHT UNLESS YOU WANT TO GO THERE IS.

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THE FINAL PIECE OF THIS IS THE CERTIFICATION PROCESS. DARTS EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE MUST CERTIFY THE CITY'S TOTAL FINANCIAL OBLIGATION TO THE CITY AND TO THE COMPTROLLER. SO THIS IS THE THE NEXT BIG PIECE. AND MANY OF THESE OTHER CITIES WHO ARE LOOKING AT WITHDRAWAL ARE STARTING TO DIG INTO, AND WE WILL MOVE ON TO LOOKING AT WHAT THAT TOTAL FINANCIAL OBLIGATION AS CALCULATED BY DART. AGAIN, THIS IS AS CALCULATED BY DART, NOT BY ME OR ANY OF THE OTHER CITIES. SO WITH THE TOTAL FINANCIAL OBLIGATION BY THE TRANSPORTATION CODE, THE INCLUDES THE CITY'S SHARE OF DART'S OUTSTANDING DEBT AND OBLIGATION. AND THE KEY WORD IS DEBT AND OBLIGATIONS, NOT JUST DEBT. ALL THEIR OBLIGATIONS, BONDS, CONTRACTS, RESERVE FUND REQUIREMENTS AND OTHER OBLIGATIONS, PLUS THE CITY SPECIFIC OBLIGATIONS OR CONTRACTS THAT DART HAS SPECIFICALLY WITH GARLAND. COST OF DART'S FACILITIES THAT TRANSFER TO THE CITY. AND THEN YOU BACK OUT ANY ASSETS CASH INVESTMENTS THAT ARE HELD FOR THE CITY'S PORTION. AND WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE CITY'S PORTION OF ASSETS, YOU BLEND AN ALLOCATION BASED ON POPULATION AND SALES TAX CONTRIBUTION, WHICH PROVIDES YOU A TOTAL FINANCIAL OBLIGATION OWED. SO SALES TAX WILL CONTINUE TO BE COLLECTED AND GIVEN TO DART UNTIL THIS TOTAL FINANCIAL OBLIGATION IS PAID OFF IN FULL.

SO WHILE DART SERVICES WOULD STOP THE DAY AFTER CANVASING, THE MONEY OWED WOULD STILL CONTINUE TO BE PAID TO DART UNTIL THAT OBLIGATION IS PAID. SO HERE'S A LOOK AT HOW DART HAS CALCULATED THE WITHDRAWAL TOTAL OBLIGATION FOR THE CITY OF GARLAND. THEY HAVE STATED THAT THEY HAVE TOTAL OBLIGATIONS OF OVER $9 BILLION, ROUGHLY $10 BILLION. AND ONE THING TO POINT OUT THERE IS, IF YOU LOOK AT THEIR 2024 FINANCIAL STATEMENTS, THEIR TOTAL LONG TERM LIABILITIES, THIS IS THREE TIMES THE AMOUNT OF THAT. SO YOU MAY ASK THE QUESTION, HOW DID THEY GET A NUMBER THAT'S THREE TIMES THE AMOUNT OF THEIR TOTAL LONG TERM LIABILITIES ON THEIR FINANCIAL STATEMENTS. AND THE SHORT ANSWER IS I DON'T KNOW. BUT SOME ASSUMPTIONS YOU COULD MAKE IS REMEMBER I SAID DEBT AND OTHER OBLIGATIONS. ALSO, IF A FACILITY WAS BUILT WITH FEDERAL FUNDS, DART CAN CONTINUE TO OPERATE THAT FACILITY FOR

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TO GET GARLAND'S SHARE OF SYSTEM WIDE OBLIGATIONS. THE SPECIFIC OBLIGATIONS TIED TO GARLAND, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IS ITEMS THAT ARE DIRECTLY TIED TO FEDERAL FUNDS IN GARLAND, AND THEN YOU BACK OUT ANY ASSETS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH GARLAND. REMEMBER, I MENTIONED THAT THE ASSETS PORTION IS A A BLEND OF POPULATION AND CELL STACKS? WELL, WITH GARLAND, OUR POPULATION IS RELATIVELY HIGH. WHEN YOU LOOK AT OTHER CITIES WHERE OUR SALES TAX CONTRIBUTION IS RELATIVELY LOW. SO WE KIND OF LOSE OUT ON THE DEAL WHEN YOU LOOK AT CASH INCENTIVES. BUT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A $10 BILLION LIABILITY, IT'S NOT A IT'S JUST A DROP IN THE BUCKET. SO OUR NET OBLIGATIONS FOR LEAVING DART IS $909 MILLION. SO IN SALES TAX COLLECTION WE COLLECTED 42.9 MILLION IN 2024.

AND AGAIN BASED OFF OF DART'S ANALYSIS, IT WOULD TAKE US 15.22 YEARS TO PAY BACK THAT OBLIGATION. OR IF YOU WERE TO USE TIME VALUE OF MONEY AT 3%, ROUGHLY 19.3 YEARS, TO PAY BACK THAT OBLIGATION. HERE'S A LOOK AT WHERE GARLAND SITS COMPARED TO THE OTHER DART MEMBER CITIES.

YOU HEARD IRVING AND PLANO AS TWO THAT WERE LEAVING. YOU CAN SEE THEIR OBLIGATIONS ARE WELL OVER ONE $1 BILLION. AND WE'RE WE'RE RIGHT BEHIND THEM. AND IT'S BECAUSE OUR POPULATION SIZE. BUT OUR SALES TAX CONTRIBUTION AGAIN IS SO MUCH SMALLER BECAUSE WE HAVE A MODEST SALES TAX BASE, IT TAKES US MUCH LONGER TO PAY OFF THAT OBLIGATION. SO I'LL JUST KIND OF END ON THIS COUNCIL. A LOT OF QUESTIONS STILL THAT ARE UNKNOWN. AND PART OF WHAT I THINK MATT REFERS TO HERE IS THE TIMING AND FINANCIAL IMPACT WITHDRAWAL. WE HAVE WHAT WE KNOW NOW IN TERMS OF THE TOTAL FINANCIAL OBLIGATION AND ABOUT HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE TO PAY US OFF, OR FOR US TO PAY THAT OFF. BUT THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS I THINK WE WOULD ASK IF WE GO DOWN THIS ROAD AS FAR AS WHAT THAT CALCULATION IS AND HOW IT WAS, HOW IT WAS CALCULATED. WILL DART FIND A FUNDING COMPROMISE WITH MEMBER CITIES? IF IF CITIES START TO CALL FOR AN ELECTION, WILL DART KIND OF COME AROUND AND SAY, OKAY, WE'RE WE'RE WE GET YOU, WE'RE SERIOUS. LET'S FIND LET'S FIND A COMPROMISE HERE. I DON'T KNOW, I THINK WE MIGHT GET A SENSE FOR THAT ON THE 13TH. WHAT WILL DART LOOK LIKE AFTER THE MAY 2026 ELECTIONS? AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW. IT STILL IS UP TO THE VOTERS IN EACH OF THESE RESPECTIVE CITIES TO DECIDE WHETHER THEY WANT TO WITHDRAW FROM DART OR NOT, AND SPECIFICALLY FOR GARLAND, IF WE GO DOWN THIS ROAD AND CALL FOR AN ELECTION AND SAY THE VOTERS OF GARLAND SAY, OKAY, WE WANT TO GO A DIFFERENT ROUTE TO MEET OUR MOBILITY NEEDS, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? THAT'S ANOTHER YOU KNOW, WHAT I WOULD CALL A PRETTY HEAVY LIFT FOR US TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT DO WE REPLACE DART WITH, IF THAT WERE IF THAT WERE TO HAPPEN AND WHAT TRANSIT OPTIONS COULD THE CITY PURSUE AFTER WITHDRAWAL? AND SO AGAIN, A LOT OF QUESTIONS ULTIMATELY THAT THAT WE'LL HAVE TO ANSWER AND LOOK AT. BUT I THINK COUNCIL, WHAT CONCERNS ME THE MOST IS THAT IF IT'S FOUR CITIES, IF IT'S SIX CITIES, IF IT'S MORE WHAT IS LEFT OF DART, IF THEY EXIT AND WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE TO GARLAND? DO WE DO WE SWITCH FROM BEING A CITY THAT IS A RECIPIENT OF THE OF THE REGIONAL ASPECT OF DART, MEANING WE'RE KIND OF A DONEE CITY OR. SORRY. YEAH. DONEE CITY VERSUS A DONOR CITY THAT MAY FLIP IF, IF THERE ARE CITIES THAT EXIT DART. AND SO KEEPING SOME PRESSURE ON DART TO COME UP WITH A COMPROMISE. AND BY CALLING AN ELECTION, YOU

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AND AGAIN, JUST KEEPING YOU UPDATED ON THE DART ISSUE MOVING FORWARD. MAYOR PRO TEM LUCK. THANK YOU MAYOR. SO IF WE STAYED IN DART AND THOSE FOUR CITIES EXITED AND THEN DART DECIDED TO SPEND $1 BILLION ON, LET'S SAY, NEW BUSSES, WHAT WOULD THAT DO TO THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE TO THEM? IF IN SIX YEARS LATER WE DECIDE TO LEAVE, WOULD THAT BE SOLELY PUT ON US, NOT SOLELY PUT ON US, BUT, WELL, I MEAN, BASED OFF OF THE POPULATION AND RUN THROUGH THAT SAME CALCULATION, UNLESS THERE WAS A CHANGE IN LAW, BUT IT WOULD BE A BIGGER PORTION BECAUSE THOSE OTHER CITIES WOULD BE GONE. RIGHT? WITH THOSE OTHER CITIES GONE, I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD HAVE THE FINANCIAL MEANS TO TO GET THE BUSSES. BUT EVEN EVEN IF THEY WERE TO SIX CITIES LEAVE AND GARLAND STILL IN IT. AND WE CONTINUE THEY CONTINUE TO ISSUE DEBT FOR THE BALANCE THAT WOULD BE ON THAT SHARE WOULD BE BASED OFF OF OUR POPULATION, OF THE ENTIRE SYSTEM, WHICH WOULD THEN BE A LARGER, LARGER PIECE OF THE PIE BECAUSE THE POPULATION WOULD SHRINK WHILE GARLAND'S WOULD STAY THE SAME. EXACTLY.

OKAY. YEAH. THIS IS A LOSE LOSE SITUATION FOR EVERYBODY, I THINK I THINK THAT. DART HAS PUT US IN A VERY DIFFICULT POSITION BECAUSE OF THEIR LACK OF COMPROMISE AND WILLINGNESS TO COMPROMISE WITH ALL OF THE MEMBER CITIES, AND IT SHOULDN'T TAKE SOMETHING LIKE THIS TO FORCE THEM TO THE TABLE. AND I'M REALLY NOT. I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO WORK OUT A DEAL EITHER. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. MA'AM. COUNCIL MEMBER DUTTON, HAVE WE ALREADY LOOKING INTO MICRO TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS? WE HAVE NOT. NOW THAT I THOUGHT ABOUT IT A LOT, BUT THAT'S A BIG STEP TO TAKE. IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE AT LEAST MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE WE SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE THIS THAT ESSENTIALLY HIRE MOBILITY PARTNER TO GIVE THEM SOME OPTIONS AND AND LOOK AT WHAT THAT'S LIKE. I KNOW IRVING AND PLANO HAVE CONTACTED A KIND OF A THIRD PARTY PROVIDER TO AT LEAST GET A FEEL FOR WHAT THAT COST IS LIKE AND WHAT THE SERVICE LEVELS WOULD BE LIKE, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY GO DOWN THAT ROAD IF COUNCIL WANTS TO WANTS TO DO THAT. SO AT LEAST WE HAVE SOMETHING TO TALK TO RESIDENTS ABOUT AS FAR AS WHAT REPLACES DART, BUT WE HAVE NOT GONE DOWN THAT ROAD YET. I WOULD NOT BE INTERESTED IN PAYING A CONSULTANT OR A FIRM OR WHATEVER TO DO THE RESEARCH FOR US, BUT I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN HAVING STAFF LOOK INTO WHAT OPTIONS ARE AVAILABLE.

SO THAT WAY, IF WE'RE GOING TO CALL AN ELECTION, I DON'T WANT TO GO INTO IT. BLIND PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW THAT WE ARE BEING PROACTIVE IN THIS BECAUSE AGAIN, I HAVE A HEAVY PARATRANSIT BASE IN MY DISTRICT, AND SO THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT I WORRY ABOUT THE MOST. I UNDERSTAND THE THE CONCERNS WITH DART AND ALL OF THIS. AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO GET THE MOST. RIGHT? SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PUTTING THE EFFORT INTO THE FULL THOUGHT PROCESS, NOT JUST THE WHAT LIKE THE RIGHT NOW, BUT THE DOMINO EFFECT OF THAT. AND SO I WOULD I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT WE GO AHEAD AND START LOOKING INTO WHAT THOSE OPTIONS ARE, WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE, WHAT FINANCIALLY, WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE JUST SO THAT WE'RE ON TOP OF IT, AND SO THAT OUR RESIDENTS KNOW THAT WE

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THAT'S WHAT THE LETTER IS ASKING THOSE CITIES THAT ARE LOOKING AT LEAVING PRESENTLY TO DO THAT IS TO JUST HOLD ON FOR 30 DAYS, AND WE MAY BE ABLE TO COME TO SOME TYPE OF RESOLUTIONS. I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT AT THIS POINT THAT. IF WE'RE GOING TO STAY, THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. WE JUST STAY. BUT IF WE ARE THINKING AT ALL ABOUT EXITING, NOW IS THE TIME.

BECAUSE OF 2026 IS THE YEAR THAT WE NEED TO MAKE THE DECISION. WE NEED TO BEGIN TO LOOK AT IT NOW, AND THERE'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE SOME MORE EDUCATING IN OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR BECAUSE WE STILL, AS I LOOKED AT THE DIFFERENT VOICES AND LISTENED TO THE DIFFERENT VOICES, WE STILL HAVE A VERY DIVERSE GROUP OF PEOPLE OUT THERE IN THE WAY OF YEA AND NAY, YES AND NOS. AND SO I WOULD AGREE THAT WE DO NEED TO BEGIN TO DO SOMETHING IN THE WAY OF PUTTING STUDIES TOGETHER. AND I LIKE THE IDEA OF STAFF. WE HAVE VERY COMPETENT STAFF. THEY DO VERY GOOD RESEARCH. THEY'LL BE ABLE TO GO AND GET THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED, BUT ALSO WE NEED TO BEGIN SOME TYPE OF WAY OF EDUCATING OUR COMMUNITY. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, I THINK THAT THE FEAR, THE GREATEST FEAR OUT THERE IS I USE MASS TRANSIT. WHAT AM I GOING TO DO IF WE JUST DON'T HAVE IT? AND AS A RESULT OF THAT, OF COURSE PEOPLE ARE AFRAID. NOT OFTENTIMES THINKING ABOUT ALL THE OTHER RAMIFICATIONS, ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH AS IT RELATES TO DART AROUND THIS ISSUE OF WHAT THEY HAVE NOT COME TO, THE WHY THEY FINALLY DID COME TO THE TABLE, THEY CAME TO THE TABLE BECAUSE THE THREAT IT WAS THERE, THEY'RE STILL AT THE TABLE. THEY CALLED THE THREAT. AND I THINK THAT WE NEED TO KEEP THAT EVER BEFORE THEM. BUT IF WE DON'T EDUCATE OUR COMMUNITY, I THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A SITUATION OF WHERE IT'S GOING TO CAUSE US STILL PROBLEMS, AND WE'RE TRYING TO GO FORWARD WITH SOME TYPE OF, OF ELECTION PROCESS. BUT I WOULD LIKE T SECOND THAT MOTION THAT WE BEGIN THE PROCESS NOW. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS. YEAH, THANK YOU MAYOR. I, I SUPPORT. COUNCIL DUTTON'S SUGGESTION, BUT WITH ONE CAVEAT. I AM NOT THINK IF WE ARE THINKING ABOUT DOING SOME PREEMPTIVE STRIKES KIND OF THING, I WOULD NOT LIKE TO PUT US TO PRECLUDE USING A CONSULTANT. OKAY. IF THE RIGHT ONE CAN BE FOUND. OKAY. TO ASSIST OUR STAFF, I DON'T WANT TO US TO PUT THIS ENTIRE BURDEN OF DOING THIS BECAUSE IT CAN GET TRICKY, RIGHT? LAKE RAY HUBBARD GOT, YOU KNOW, GOT GOT A BUNCH OF RIDERS THERE. BUS ROUTES HAD A BUNCH OF RIDERS THERE. OKAY. SO I THINK WE WE WOULD DO OURSELVES A BIG FAVOR AND AND JUDD, IF WE LOOK AROUND YOU TALK TO YOUR PEERS, YOU KNOW, AND IF WE IF THERE IS A CONSULTANT OR CONSULTANTS OUT THERE THAT COULD SUPPORT OUR STAFF AND COULD PROVIDE SOME GUIDANCE, I THINK WE'D BE BETTER OFF WHATEVER THEY COME UP WITH, WHATEVER DECISION WE HAVE TO MAKE. I THINK WE'RE WE'RE IN BETTER. WE'RE BEING A BETTER PLACE RATHER THAN RELYING TOTALLY ON STAFF. OKAY, SO I'D LIKE TO SEE US MOVE FORWARD, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE US CHECK AROUND. AND IF THAT EXPERTISE IS OUT THERE FOR FOR A REASONABLE PRICE, I THINK WE I THINK WE DO OURSELVES A DISSERVICE IF WE DON'T, BECAUSE THIS IS A THIS IS BECOMING A ONE TIME DEAL. IT IT IT'S IT'S IT'S IT'S GIANT. WHATEVER THE

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THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU SIR. COUNCIL MEMBER BASS. THANK YOU. YEAH, I'M I'M ALL FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD, BUT I WANTED TO MENTION ALSO MARGARET MADE A COMMENT ABOUT DART BUYING NEW BUSSES. THEY'RE ACTUALLY IN THE IN THE PROCESS OF BUYING ALL NEW BUSSES RIGHTOW. SO THEY SHOW THEIR FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY BY CLAIMING THEY WANT TO REPLACE 476 BUSSES BEFORE THE THE WORLD CUP GETS HERE. SO THAT'S WHERE THAT'S WHERE THEIR MINDSET IS. JUST SPEND ALL YOU CAN AND THEN ASK FOR MORE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. COUNCIL I'VE BEEN PART OF A LOT OF THESE MEETINGS AND DISCUSSIONS. IT'S THE PROBLEM WE HAVE IS WE'RE SUCH A HEAVY USER. BUT WE HAVE TO BE DEFENSIVE AT THE SAME TIME AND ALMOST. CALL FOR AN ELECTION OR THINK ABOUT DOING SO AS A DEFENSIVE MEASURE, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE OR EVEN THE SERVICES WILL LOOK LIKE IN THE FUTURE. I WILL BE WATCHING THE HEARING TOMORROW AND WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY OF ALL THESE OTHER CITIES, AND VERY INTERESTED TO SEE WHICH WAY THEY GO. I ALMOST THINK IT'S GOING TO BE FOR, FOR FOR THAT THEY ARE GNG TO BE CALLING FOR AN ELECTION. SO THAT PUTS US IN A DEFENSIVE POSTURE, OF COURSE, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE. I IMAGINE THAT NUMBER YOU PROVIDED IS HAS LAWSUIT WRITTEN ALL OVER IT, BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SUCH HIGH NUMBERS THAT THAT FINAL NUMBER WON'T BE THE FINAL NUMBER. I DON'T BELIEVE IT WILL BE TIED UP IN COURTS FOR QUITE A WHILE, WHATEVER THAT NUMBER COMES OUT TO BE. SO WHICH CHANGES THE CALCULATION. BUT WE COULD CALL FOR ELECTION. BUT THE SECOND ISSUE WE HAVE THEN IS THE CITIZENS HAVE TO VOTE FOR IT AT THE SAME TIME. AND IF FOUR OF THE FOUR CITIES CALL FOR IT, THEY CAN CERTAINLY CALL FOR IT. BUT I DON'T HAVE AS GOOD OF A FINGER ON HOW THEIR CITIZENS REACT IN ALL THOSE CITIES. SO I'M VERY CURIOUS TO SEE MORE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE I KNOW HOW THE COUNCILS AND THE MAYORS ARE FEELING ABOUT THAT, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW THE CITIZENS NECESSARILY IN EACH OF THOSE CITIES ARE IN A TOUGH SPOT COUNCIL, BUT WE'LL HAVE A LOT OF FUTURE DISCUSSIONS, I'M SURE, ABOUT THIS. BUT I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF AT LEAST PREPARING IN CASE, BECAUSE WE ARE SIX MONTHS AWAY FROM IF THERE'S A SPECIAL ELECTION, IT'S VERY, VERY SOON TO HAVE A ALTERNATE TRANSIT SYSTEM UP AND RUNNING BY THEN. OR CONSIDERING ONE IS THE DAY AFTER THE ELECTION. WELL, THE DAY AFTER CANVASING IT ALL CUTS OFF. MAN. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD TO THAT? NO. THE OTHER THING I'D ADD, JUST TO PIGGYBACK ON COUNCILWOMAN DUTTON'S REQUEST, IS THAT SO? TALKING TO THE PLANO AND IRVING CITY MANAGERS, WHAT WHAT THEY'VE DONE WITH SOME OF THEIR ESTIMATES, LOOKING AT REPLACEMENTS FOR DART IS VERY, VERY LIMITED IN SCOPE, MEANING THAT ESSENTIALLY IT WAS A PRIVATE BUS PROVIDER THAT WOULD THAT WOULD BRING IN A GO LINK TYPE OF ON DEMAND SERVICE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LOWER PRICE TAG, BUT DEFINITELY LOWER LEVEL OF SERVICE. EVERY COMMUNITY IN DART HAS A DIFFERENT NEED, AND GARLAND HAS A SPECIFIC NEED. AND SO IF YOU IF IT'S OUR GOAL TO REPLACE IN KIND OR, OR LIKE KIND OF WHAT WE'VE GOT NOW, THE PRICE TAG IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE MORE THAN WHAT WE'RE PUTTING IN. THAT'S WHAT THE STUDY SHOWED. AND SO BUT BUT IF IT IS OKAY LET'S KEEP, YOU KNOW, THE TWO BLUE STATIONS THAT WE HAVE AND MAYBE A COUPLE BUS BUS ROUTES THAT

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IF IT'S WE WANT TO JUST GIVE A WE JUST WANT AN ON DEMAND SERVICE FOR OUR RESIDENTS TO BE ABLE TO CALL A, YOU KNOW, UBER AND AND GET TO WHERE THEY NEED TO GO. YOU KNOW, HERE'S HERE'S WHAT THAT PRICE TAG MIGHT LOOK LIKE. IF IT'S WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING EXCEPT FOR THE TWO STATIONS ON THE BLUE LINE. AND WE'LL PAY DART TO KEEP THOSE GOING. THAT'S PROBABLY GOT A THIRD COST. SO THERE'S AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS COULD GET REALLY, REALLY COMPLICATED. AND SO WE'LL PUT SOME THOUGHTS TOGETHER AND COME BACK BECAUSE I THINK THAT IS AN EXERCISE WE NEED TO GO THROUGH. THE RESIDENTS NEED TO KNOW WHAT ARE WE DOING. WHAT ARE WE GOING TO REPLACE DART WITH. IF THEY VOTE OUT OF IT? WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO TELL THAT STORY. THAT'S PART OF PART OF THAT PITCH. THE THE WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THE ELECTION TIMING. AND AS FAR AS THE LAST DAY TO CALL FOR ELECTION, THAT'S SOMETIME IN FEBRUARY, I DON'T KNOW HAVE HAVE THE EXACT DATES USUALLY THE MIDDLE OF FEBRUARY FOR A MAY ELECTION. YOU CAN ALSO IF WE CALL AN ELECTION, YOU CAN ALSO PULL IT OUT 45 DAYS BEFORE MAY. AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND AS WELL, THAT WE CAN DO IT TO PUT PRESSURE AND AND TAKE THIS POSITION THAT THE MAYOR IS TALKING ABOUT. AND THEN 45 DAYS AWAY FROM MAY, THERE'S A COMPROMISE, SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GOOD NOW. SO AGAIN, LOTS OF THOUGHTS THERE. BUT JUST WANT TO WE'LL WE'LL TAKE YOUR DIRECTION AND COME BACK SOON. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL WILL MOVE ON TO OUR

[8. TIF # 2 Proposed Term and Boundary Amendment]

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SO WITH A TIFF, IT IS ACTUALLY GOVERNED UNDER CHAPTER 311 OF THE TAX CODE, WHICH OUTLINES VARIOUS PROCEDURES FOR CREATING AND AMENDING A TIFF OR TERS. SO THERE'S TWO MAIN DOCUMENTS. ONE IS WHAT'S CALLED THE CREATION ORDINANCE, WHICH IS THE ORDINANCE THAT WAS PASSED TO CREATE THE ORDINANCE. AND WHAT IT DOES IS SET THE BOUNDARIES, THE TERMS, THE CITY'S PARTICIPATION LEVEL, THE TERMS BOARD, AND THEN ALSO JUST A PRELIMINARY PROJECT PLAN. THE SECOND ORDINANCE IS A TIF PROJECT AND FINANCE PLAN ORDINANCE, WHICH MUST GO THROUGH THE TIFF BOARD FIRST. AND THIS IS THE TIFF BOARD'S PRIMARILY RESPONSIBILITY. THEY ARE TO LOOK AT THIS PRELIMINARY PROJECT PLAN AND MAKE A FINAL RECOMMENDATION FOR A PROJECT PLAN AND BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL. SO I WANTED TO QUICKLY GO OVER THE HISTORY OF TIFF, AND YOU CAN SEE IT'S HAD A FAIRLY LONG HISTORY. AGAIN, THIS TIFF IS SET TO EXPIRE DECEMBER 31ST, 2025, AND THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT DATE FOR THAT FIRST PIECE, THAT CREATION ORDINANCE. SO WE WILL NEED, IF COUNCIL DECIDES TO WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH EXTENDING THIS TIFF, WE WILL NEED TO MAKE THAT DECISION BEFORE DECEMBER 31ST, 2025. THIS TIFF WAS ORIGINALLY ESTABLISHED, LIKE I MENTIONED IN 2004, WITH THE BASE YEAR OF 2005 TO ESTABLISH TO FACILITATE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ALONG I-30, SPECIFICALLY AT HARBOR POINT WHERE THE BASS PRO SHOP DEVELOPMENT WAS GOING IN. CITY OF GARLAND HAS PARTICIPATED IN THIS TIFF AT 100% SINCE ITS BEGINNING. THE COUNTY DID COME ONLINE IN 2007 AND HAS PARTICIPATED AT 55%. THE PROJECT AND FINANCING PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE TIFF BOARD AT THAT TIME INCLUDED FUNDING A PORTION OF DEBT SERVICE ASSOCIATED WITH THE LAND ACQUISITION AND IMPROVEMENTS MADE TO THE BASS PRO SHOP FACILITY, AND ALSO SOME INCENTIVES TO THE BASS PRO SHOP LANDOWNERS. THE TIFF DID NOT PERFORM AS EXPECTED AND AS PROJECTED BY THE CONSULTANT AS BY STAFF AT THAT TIME. FOR INSTANCE, THE DEBT SERVICE ASSOCIATED WITH THE FACILITIES AROUND BASS PRO. WE PAID THAT OFF THIS YEAR IN 2025, BUT WITH PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST, THAT WAS $40 MILLION. PLUS. THIS TIFF GENERATED ROUGHLY $14 MILLION. SO A HUGE BURDEN HAS COME OFF OF THE INN'S TAX RATE THIS YEAR BECAUSE OF THAT, BECAUSE THE INN'S TAX RATE HAS BEEN PAYING THE OTHER PORTION OF THAT, AS THE TIFF WAS UNDERPERFORMING DUE TO MULTIPLE REASONS THAT I'LL GET INTO IN A LITTLE BIT. IN 2025, WE HIRED A CONSULTANT, PETTITT AND AYALA, TO EVALUATE FUTURE EXPANSION OF THE ZONE AND EXTENSION OF TERMINATION DATES. AS I MENTIONED, CITY COUNCIL WAS BRIEFED ON THE SATURDAY BUDGET WORK SESSION ON A PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO MOVE FORWARD. AND CURRENTLY IN THE 2026 BUDGET, THIS HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED TO MAKE A TRANSFER OF $1 MILLION FROM TIF NUMBER TWO TO THE GENERAL FUND FOR THOSE PUBLIC SAFETY SERVICES, AS I WAS MENTIONING. AGAIN, OCTOBER 15TH, 2025, THE TIF TWO BOARD WAS BRIEFED ON THIS PROPOSAL, AND UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT'S CUTTING OFF WITH THE VOTE. I BELIEVE THE VOTE WAS FIVE FOR ONE AGAINST, AND THEN WE HAD THREE THAT WERE ABSENT.

SO I MENTIONED THAT THIS TIF IS UNDERPERFORMING. AND THIS IS THERE'S MULTITUDE OF REASONS.

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AND REALLY THIS IS TAKING TO LOOK AT THE ENTIRE CATALYST AREA AND WHAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT IN THE MASTER PLANS. ONE THING TO NOTE, WHICH ALMOST LOOKS LIKE HOME PLATE FOR JOE THOMAS AND HIS LA DODGERS THERE, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS IS IS AN AREA THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO EXCLUDE FROM THE TIF. AND THE REASON WHY WE WERE LOOKING TO DO THAT IS, AS ALL YOU ALL KNOW, GEORGE BUSH IS PLANNING TO EXTEND AND MOVE FORWARD ALL THE WAY TO I-20 BASED OFF OF THOSE PLANS. THAT IS GOING TO RUN RIGHT THROUGH THAT WHERE THAT DONUT IS. SO INSTEAD OF PICKING, THERE'S ACTUALLY PROPERTIES THERE WITH VALUE, I BELIEVE OVER $60 MILLION.

INSTEAD OF PICKING UP PROPERTY THAT MAY EVENTUALLY COME OFF THE TAX ROLLS, WHICH AGAIN, WITH AN INCREMENTAL TIF, YOU DON'T WANT TO LOSE VALUE. WE HAVE ARE RECOMMENDING JUST TO REMOVE THOSE FOR RIGHT NOW AND NOT INCLUDE THOSE IN THE TIF. SO THERE IS LIKE A STRANGE LITTLE DONUT IN THE AREA THERE WHERE GEORGE BUSH WILL EXTEND THROUGH. YOU'LL ALSO SEE A LITTLE PIECE KIND OF POINTING BACK TO OUR PREVIOUS DISCUSSION, A LITTLE SQUARE DOWN SOUTH THAT

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IT'S NOT DOING THE TIF ANY GOOD. BUT ONE THING THAT HAS BEEN ON THE TABLE IS WILL DART TO PARTICIPATE IN TIFS. WELL, WE HAVE A TIF AND IF WE IF COUNCIL DOES LOOK TO EXTEND IT IS AN OPPORTUNITY JUST TO GO AHEAD AND PICK IT UP. IF DART DISBANDS AND GOES AWAY, WE HAVE A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WE WILL MORE THAN LIKELY HAVE TO DO SOMETHING WITH AND MAKE IMPROVEMENTS WITH. THE TIF COULD HELP SUPPORT. SO OUR RECOMMENDATION RIGHT NOW IS TO ADD THESE BOUNDARIES TO THAT. AND YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE SHORELINE OF THE CITY OF DALLAS SHORELINE THAT'S GOING UP CLOSER TO I GUESS THAT'S ROSEHILL OVER TO I FORGET THE NAME OF THAT ROAD. IT'S GETTING LATE. MILLER. THANK YOU. AND THAT'S JUST AGAIN TO IN CASE IN CASE THERE'S EVER A TRAIL ACTIVITY OR ANYTHING THAT CAN COME FORWARD IN THE FUTURE. SO BASED OFF OF OUR PROPOSAL, YOU HAVE THE TWO LAYERED ON TOP OF EACH OTHER. THIS IS THE PROPOSED TIF BOUNDARIES FOR TIF NUMBER TWO. AS WE MOVE FORWARD PAST 2025. SO OUR CONSULTANT HAS PUT TOGETHER AN ESTIMATE. AND OF COURSE, AS WE ESTIMATE OUT OUR OUR REVENUES, WE NEVER LOOK AGAIN AT NEW CONSTRUCTION. WE ARE LOOKING AT EXISTING PROPERTIES APPRECIATING AT 3.5% PER YEAR. SO THE ORIGINAL TIF I MENTIONED ESTABLISHED $14 MILLION OVER ITS FIRST 20 YEARS.

WE ARE PROJECTING JUST FROM 3.5% APPRECIATION THAT THESE BOUNDARIES AND THIS BOUNDARY SHIFT, THIS TIF, WILL GENERATE $112.5 MILLION, WHICH IS VASTLY DIFFERENT THAN THE ORIGINAL TIF NUMBERS. AND AGAIN, WE ARE ONLY USING APPRECIATION, NOT ASSUMING ANY NEW CONSTRUCTION.

SO AGAIN, THE PROPOSAL IS THE PURPOSE OF THE MINUTES TO FUND THE TIF AT 100% CITY'S TAX INCREMENT DISTRICT TO THE TIF, WITH 50% OF IT BEING PUT INTO AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OR INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT AND 50% BEING PUT IN THE PUBLIC SAFETY INITIATIVES IN THE TIF, AND THAT 50% WILL BE TRANSFERRED TO THE GENERAL FUND TO SUPPORT PUBLIC SAFETY INITIATIVES AS ADOPTED IN THE FY 2526 BUDGET. SO RIGHT NOW, THE CALENDAR FOR APPROVAL, WE'RE HERE AT NOVEMBER 3RD. OUR CONSULTANT IS BEGINNING TO START SUBMITTING ORDINANCES, PUBLIC NOTICES, AND OUR PRELIMINARY PROJECT PLANS. THERE'S TYPICALLY A LOT OF PAPERWORK AND NOTICES THAT GO INTO A TIF. HE'S TO HAVE THAT BACK TO US FOR AND THE LEGAL TEAM. BRIAN ENGLAND'S GROUP FOR REVIEW. BY NOVEMBER 11TH. WE WILL MAKE OUR COMMENTS AND GIVE THEM BACK BY 18TH. WE WILL HAVE TO PUT A NOTICE IN THE PUBLICATION OF THE NEWSPAPER BY NOVEMBER 24TH, AND WE'LL HAVE ALL OF OUR DOCUMENTS READY BY THE 25TH. AND THEN IN YELLOW RIGHT NOW WE ARE SHOOTING FOR A DECEMBER 2ND FOR A CONSIDERATION OF AMENDING THE CREATION ORDINANCE IN THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO AT THIS AT THIS MEETING, AGAIN, THERE'S A TWO PART PROCESS TO THIS. AT THE AT THIS MEETING, WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS THE CREATION ORDINANCE TO BE CHANGED, TO CHANGE THE BOUNDARIES. AND THE TERMINATION DATE IS REALLY ALL WE'RE ASKING TO HAVE CHANGED AND THEN HAVE A THERE WILL ALSO BE A PRELIMINARY PROJECT PLAN, WHICH WILL BE VERY SIMPLE.

LET'S SAY IT'S GOING TO BASICALLY SAY 50%. IT WILL BE UTILIZED FOR PUBLIC SAFETY AND 50% WILL BE UTILIZED FOR FUTURE PROJECTS, BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE ANY IDENTIFIED AFTER THAT AT A TO BE DETERMINED DATE, BECAUSE ONCE WE GET THAT FIRST ORDINANCE APPROVED BEFORE DECEMBER 31ST, THE SECOND ORDINANCE DOES NOT HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY THE END OF THE YEAR.

SO WE'RE STILL TRYING TO DETERMINE THESE DATES. BUT AT THAT POINT IS WHEN THE TIF NUMBER TWO BOARD COMES INTO PLAY AND THEY HAVE TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON THAT PROJECT PLAN, THEY WILL BRING THAT BACK TO COUNCIL. FOR COUNCIL TO BLESS THAT PROJECT PLAN AND PASS AN ORDINANCE FOR THAT PROJECT PLAN. SO FINAL THOUGHTS AND THEN I'LL TAKE QUESTIONS.

WHAT WE'RE ASKING REALLY HERE TODAY IS JUST AN UPDATE TO TELL YOU THAT THIS IS COMING. AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE SHOOTING FOR DECEMBER 2ND. AND THEN JUST I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT YOU SAW HERE AND BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMAS, AT THE IRREGULAR PENTAGON THAT LOOKS VERY SIMILAR TO THE WORLD CHAMPION DODGERS COLORS. HOW DID WE DECIDE THAT THAT SMALL AREA, I-30 IS GOING TO GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH? WOULDN'T WE

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THE REST OF IT HONESTLY WAS NOT CONCERNING FROM A TAX INCREMENT STANDPOINT. OKAY. AND ARE WE TAKING 50% OF THIS TIF MONEY AND APPLYING IT TO PUBLIC SAFETY. NOW WE HAVE IT PROGRAMED IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET FOR FY 26. YES, BECAUSE TIF IS REALLY SUPPOSED TO BE FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. ISN'T THAT THE PURPOSE? CORRECT. WHY WOULD WE PUT HALF INTO PUBLIC SAFETY? WELL, THE PROJECTS THAT WE DON'T EVEN KNOW EXIST, THERE'S NONE THAT EXIST. WHAT ARE YOU WHAT ARE WE PROTECTING? WELL, YOU'RE PROTECTING THE WHAT IS ALREADY BEING PROTECTED IN I-30. I MEAN, STATION FIVE AND THE BLOCKER UNITS THAT RUN OUT OF THERE, YOU HAVE WINDSURF, BAY PARK. I MEAN, THERE'S ALREADY POLICE AND FIRE ACTIVITY THAT IS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS ZONE. THE FINDING HERE IS, IS THAT PUBLIC SAFETY DOES CONTRIBUTE TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. YOU WANT TO HAVE A SAFE COMMUNITY IN ORDER TO HAVE THIS PROCESS KEEP CONTINUING.

SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS FOR HALF OF THAT TO GO BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND TO CONTINUE THOSE SERVICES, PUBLIC SAFETY. AND THEN FROM THE FINANCE GUYS, ANSWER IS IS THE REAL REASON IS IS FROM MY STANDPOINT, IS THAT YOU'RE PROTECTING REVENUE FROM THE 3.5% CAP. SO THAT OKAY, SO THAT'S THAT'S THE ARGUMENT FOR KEEPING THE TIF IS TO REALLY WE'RE REALLY PROTECTING THE PROTECTING IT FROM THE LAW THERE. BUT IT JUST SEEMS TO ME IF HALF THE MONEY OF THE TIF, WE'RE NEVER GOING TO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO DO ANYTHING WITH IT IF WE'RE OFF DOING PUBLIC SAFETY AND OTHER THINGS WITH THE TIF MONEY. SO DO KEEP IN MIND THAT THEY'RE IN THE 2025 BOND, WHICH ARE FULLY AWARE OF. WE HAVE A PROPOSITION FOR $30 MILLION FOR THIS AREA FOR A, YOU KNOW, WATERWAY ACCESS. ALSO IN THE $75 MILLION ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THE HARBOR POINT IS A SIGNIFICANT PORTION. HOW TIFS HELP, TYPICALLY, ESPECIALLY IN GARLAND, IS HELPING ON SUPPLEMENTAL PROJECTS. SO REMEMBER I MENTIONED ROUGHLY 120 12, $112 MILLION COMING INTO THE TIF. SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT $60 MILLION OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS FOR IMPROVEMENTS IN THIS AREA OUTSIDE OF THAT WHICH COULD BE UTILIZED FOR SIDEWALKS OR STREETSCAPING. AND THAT'S WHAT YOU TYPICALLY WILL SEE. I MEAN, THE DOWNTOWN TIF IS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF THAT. IT DID NOT BUILD THE SQUARE THAT IT HELPED ENHANCE THE SQUARE. SO THAT'S THAT'S THE CONCEPT HERE WITH TIF NUMBER TWO. OKAY. LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT BASS PRO I BELIEVE WE'VE BEEN HAVE WE NOT BEEN SUBSIDIZING BASS PRO TO STAY IN THAT BUILDING. AND IS THAT NOT SUBSIDY. NOT GO AWAY HERE PRETTY SOON. AND WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO BASS PRO WHEN THAT HAPPENS? I BELIEVE THE LEASE IS A 2026 JOHN. LEASE IS UP IN 2010. AND IN OUR INCENTIVE FOR THEM TO STAY GOES AWAY. IS THAT RIGHT? I BELIEVE THE INCENTIVE FOR THE PROPERTIES AROUND BASS PRO DOES NOT GO AWAY IN 26. I DO NOT HAVE THAT DATE, BUT I CAN GET ITIT. YEAH, I'M THINKING ABOUT BASS PRO ITSELF. HAVE WE NOT BEEN SUBSIDIZING THEM SOME? RIGHT. MY UNDERSTANDING A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR. AND WHEN THEY SP GETTING THAT SUBSIDY THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAKE MONEY AND THEY'RE GOING TO GO AWAY. IS THAT IS THAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING? YOU HEARD THAT THAT IS A MINOR. I HAVE NO UNDERSTANDING. YOU MAY HAVE TO ASK THE CITY MANAGER, BUT I'M NOT AWARE OF THEM THREATENING OR LOOKING TO GO AWAY. OKAY. YEAH. WHAT? AND ANDY MAY HAVE HAD SOME MORE RECENT CONVERSATIONS, BUT FROM WHAT WE HEAR FROM BASS PRO, THIS IS A SOLID PERFORMING STORE. IT'S NOT THEIR BEST. IT'S NOT THEIR WORST. ANDY, ANY OTHER INSIGHTS YOU'VE GOT YOU'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE PROPERTY OVER THERE. YES. MR. HOLDER, BETWEEN US AND. AND. BELIEVE HIM OR. NOT. HE SAID IT'S JUST A MONTH OR SO AGO. SO. AND THEY HAVE SOME OTHER PROPERTY THAT THEY OWN IN THAT AREA THAT THEY'D LIKE TO WORK WITH US FOR OTHER EXPANSION PURPOSES. SO ALL

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THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU SIR. COUNCILMEMBER MOORE THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. JOE, YOU WANT TO COME DOWN TO DISTRICT THREE AND WORK WITH ME A LITTLE BIT? I KIND OF LIKE THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU'RE POSING, BECAUSE THESE ARE THE SAME QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE ALSO POSED. AS WE HAVE DISCUSSED THIS, ESPECIALLY THE 50%. AND AFTER IT WAS EXPLAINED TO ME THAT WE WERE KIND OF SAFEGUARDING THE FUNDS BY GOING THE ROUTE OF THE 50% BACK INTO THE GENERAL FUND, FUNDS WERE STILL MOST LIKELY STILL BE BUILT OR SPENT THERE. BUT WHEN YOU BEGIN TO LOOK AT WHAT'S TAKING PLACE HERE, I THINK THAT THE PARAMETERS THAT ARE BEING SHOWN ARE, IN FACT THE PARAMETERS THAT THE TIF SHOULD COVER. THIS TIF HAS ONLY BEGUN TO MAKE MONEY. I SAY IT'S BEEN THE PAST 3 OR 4 YEARS, AND AS A RESULT OF THAT, OF COURSE, WE'RE AT A POSITION NOW WHERE I STILL HAVE WINDSURF BAY PARK, WE STILL HAVE JOHN PAUL JONES, WE STILL HAVE, BY THE WAY, IN THE WAY OF BASS PRO. WHEN THE PROJECT WAS FIRST INITIALLY BUILT, WERE THE THREE RESTAURANTS THERE WITH THE THREE FOUR RESTAURANTS THERE AT THE TIME, OR WERE THOSE THE PROJECTS THAT WERE BUILT THAT ENHANCED? WHAT THEY WERE THERE? I'M LOOKING FOR NOW. WHAT WAS IT IN THE WAY OF CONSTRUCTION THAT HELPED THE TIF TO GROW? NEITHER HERE NOR THERE. IT'S OKAY. IT'S ALL RIGHT. BASED ON EVERYTHING THAT I'VE SEEN, ESPECIALLY WITH THE I-30 CORRIDOR STUDY, BASED ON WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT PRESENTLY IN THE WAY OF HOW WE'RE GOING TO PRESERVE FUNDS BY TAKING THE 50% FOR THE GENERAL FUND. I THINK THAT THESE ARE THE BEST USES FOR THE EXPENDITURES. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN THIS LITTLE SECTION BEING TAKEN OUT, BUT I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY IT'S BEING TAKEN OUT AND ALSO UNDERSTAND WHY IT'S NOT BEING EXTENDED. THERE ARE NO PROPERTIES. THERE IS NOTHING IN THE WAY OF HOW THIS 190 IS GOING TO BE CONSTRUCTED. THERE'S NOTHING GOING ON TOWARDS SUNNYVALE. AND AS A RESULT OF THAT, I CAN SEE WHY THE PARAMETERS ARE AS THEY ARE.

I COULD ALSO SEE WHY WE'RE GOING TO INCLUDE THE DART STATION DOWN IN THE SOUTH HERE ALONG WITH IT. AS A RESULT OF ALL OF THAT, WE ALSO HAVE $30 MILLION AT THIS POINT THAT'S BEEN ALLOCATED IN OUR BOND TO HELP THIS AREA. BASED ON WHAT I SEE AT THIS POINT, I REALLY DO FEEL THAT THIS AREA IS GARLAND'S FINAL FRONTIER IN THE WAY OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE WAY WE CAN'T BUILD OUT ANY MORE. WE'VE GOT TO GO UP THE ONLY OTHER PLACE THAT WE CAN DO IN THE WAY OF BUILDING SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO BRING MONEY INTO THE AREA IS, I BELIEVE, ALCOHOL. AND THIS HARBOR POINT AREA. AS A RESULT OF THAT, EVEN THOUGH 50% MAY GO INTO THE GENERAL FUND, IF IN FACT, THAT'S GOING TO BE FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, IN ORDER TO PRESERVE THIS AREA, WE'RE GOING TO NEED THE PUBLIC SAFETY. THAT'S ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE WAY OF WHEN SURF BAY PARK, NOT HAVING PUBLIC SAFETY IN ORDER TO PROTECT IT, TAKE CARE OF IT. AS A RESULT OF EVERYTHING THAT I'VE SEEN SO FAR, AND I'VE BEEN DEALING WITH THIS THING NOW, NOT FOR THE FIVE YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL. I'VE DEALT WITH IT TWO YEARS BEFORE EVEN COMING ON COUNCIL. I BELIEVE THIS IS THE BEST USE OF THE FUNDS, AND I WOULD LIKE FOR COUNCIL TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT WHATE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU SIR. COUNCIL MEMBER DENTON. ARE WE SAYING THAT IF WE GET 50% INTO THE GENERAL FUND, THAT WHEN SURF BAY IS GOING TO HAVE PUBLIC SAFETY, WE ARE SAYING THAT THEY WERE GOING TO FUND 50% OF PUBLIC SAFETY FOR THIS ZONE. AND HOW DO WE HOW DO WE ALLOCATE THAT MONEY SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT ZONE? ARE WE DO WE HAVE OFFICERS THAT YOU YOU ARE NOW A A TIF OFFICER? NO, YOU WOULD NOT DO THAT. YOU WOULD MAKE THE FINDING BASED OFF OF THIS IS A $1 MILLION CONTRIBUTION, IS ROUGHLY HALF A PERCENT OF THE ENTIRE PUBLIC SAFETY BUDGET. AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE LAND MASS ASSOCIATED WITH IT. IT'S IT'S ABOVE THAT HALF A PERCENT. SO HOW WOULD WE FUND PUBLIC SAFETY WITHOUT GIVING HALF OF THIS TIF OVER TO THE GENERAL FUND? WELL, WE WOULD HAVE A $1 MILLION HOLE IN THE GENERAL FUND. WE'RE

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BUT I CAN MAKE AN ESTIMATE. DO YOU MAKE AN ESTIMATE FOR ME? LIKE I MEAN I DON'T EXACT NUMBERS AREN'T REALLY I'M NOT GOING TO HOLD YOU TO ANYTHING, BUT I IT'S SAFE TO ASSUME IT WOULD BE, WELL, MORE THAN $1 MILLION, RIGHT. NO LESS THAN $1 MILLION. OKAY. AND SO WHAT WHAT IS THE EXACT BENEFIT OF EXTENDING VERSUS JUST BEING DONE WITH IT, LIKE BECAUSE IT IT BEING IN A TIFF, IT TAKES THAT MONEY AND IT PUTS IT INTO ITS OWN LITTLE SAVINGS ACCOUNT.

RIGHT. AND IT'S IT'S NOT THAT IT'S EXTRA MONEY. IT'S NOT NEW MONEY. IT'S IT'S JUST GOING INTO THIS BUCKET VERSUS GOING INTO OUR GENERAL FUND, GENERAL FUND AND SPLIT WITH THE INS. SO THE INTENT HERE IS SO RIGHT NOW YOU'RE ABOUT 45% GENERAL FUND OF YOUR TAX RATE. AND THE REST IS GOING TO DEBT SERVICE. SO THE INTENT HERE IS IS TO MIMIC THAT. BUT MAKE IT 50%. GO TO THE GENERAL FUND, 50% TO STAY IN THE TIF FOR INFRASTRUCTURE OR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS WITHIN THE AREA. SO THINK OF CIP PROJECTS. IF YOU DO NOT EXPAND THIS, YOU ARE NOW LOOKING AT THE GENERAL FUND TAX RATE ALREADY LOWER THAN 50%, AND YOU'RE LOSING THAT RIGHT OFF THE TOP SECOND, WHEN THE CALCULATION IS MADE, YOU WILL BE HINDERED BY THE FACT THAT THE TIF IS DISSOLVING AND COMING BACK ON THE TAX RATE, AND IT'LL PUSH THE TAX RATE DOWN NEXT YEAR. AND THAT WILL CONTINUE ON FOR 20 YEARS, ASSUMING YOU'RE HAVING APPRECIATION 3.5% OR MORE. SO THE INTENT THERE IS JUST TO SAFEGUARD IT'S NOT SIGNIFICANT DOLLARS, BUT IT'S SAFEGUARD THOSE DOLLARS. AND WE CAN GET ESTIMATES ON WHAT THAT WOULD BE SO THAT YOU'RE PREVENTING IT FROM BEING ERODED AWAY BY THE SB TWO CALCULATIONS. OKAY.

THANK YOU. COUNCIL. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR

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THEY STARTED ABOUT 9:00. SO. I WOULD LIKE TO EXPLORE OTHER OPTIONS, WHETHER THAT'S LIKE THE SECOND CHANCE HIRING, LIKE HIRING A FILL INS, WHATEVER. EXPANDING OUR PARKS TEAM SPECIFICALLY FOR. SITE CLEANUPS BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE $3,300 IS KIND OF CRAZY. I FEEL LIKE WE COULD PAY FOR GUYS. LET'S HAVE IT DONE. SO I'D LIKE FOR US TO LOOK INTO THAT. FOR A SECOND ON THAT ITEM. SECOND, BY COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS. ANYTHING ELSE THEN I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO LOOK INTO IF WE HAVE ANY COMPENSATION PACKAGE PROGRAMS FOR EMPLOYEES THAT CAN OFFER TRANSLATION SERVICES, WHETHER THAT IS A DIFFERENT VERBAL LANGUAGE OR ASL, AND HOW

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IT SEEMS THAT THE CITY HAD FEWER PROPERTY OWNERS PARTICIPATING IN THE DRAINAGE PARTICIPATION PROGRAM AS WELL. AND I'D LIKE FOR TIM COMMITTEE TO REVIEW THE DRAINAGE PARTICIPATION ORDINANCE. AND I THINK WE ALREADY HAVE A SECOND. THAT'S WHAT IT WAS. VERY GOOD WITH CHRIS BEARD. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, I VERY GOOD. ANYTHING ELSE SIR? THAT'S IT. THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT COUNCIL, YOU KNOW HOW TO GET OTHER ITEMS ON FUTURE AGENDAS.

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