Nov 10, 2025 Plan Commission

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NOVEMBER 10TH MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. IS THIS OUR ACCUSTOMED. WE COMMISSIONERS START OUR MEETING WITH A PRAYER AND A PLEDGE. YOU'RE INVITED TO JOIN US.

WHETHER YOU DO OR NOT. NO WAY AFFECTS THE DECISIONS OF THIS COMMISSION. NEVER HAS, NEVER WILL. TONIGHT'S PRAYER AND PLEDGE WILL BE LED BY COMMISSIONER ABEL. THANK YOU.

GRACIOUS HEAVENLY FATHER, WE COME BEFORE YOU TONIGHT. AND THANK YOU FOR IMPARTING YOUR WISDOM. WE ASK THAT YOU LOOK OVER OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, OUR FRIENDS, OUR FAMILIES, AND EVERYONE THAT NEEDS, I GUESS, OUR SUPERVISION. WE ASK FOR YOUR PRAYERS AND OR ANSWERED OUR PRAYERS FOR SAFE TRAVELS FOR THOSE THAT WILL BE TRAVELING OVER THE NEXT TWO WEEKS. AND WE THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE WISDOM YOU IMPART. AMEN. AMEN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. WELL, GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO OUR MEETING. I ALREADY HAVE A COUPLE SPEAKER CARDS UP HERE. ANYBODY WISHES TO SPEAK TONIGHT.

IF YOU WANT TO FILL ONE OF THESE OUT THERE, UP THERE OR OUT IN THE HALL AND GET THEM TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. SECRETARY, I CAN CALL YOU. AND WHEN YOU COME UP TO SPEAK, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS IN THE MICROPHONE THERE. WE NEED THAT FOR THE OFFICIAL RECORDS. APPLICANTS ARE GIVEN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE. OTHER SPEAKERS ARE GIVEN THREE MINUTES. IF YOU'RE SPEAKING FOR A GROUP SUCH AS A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, WE WE DO ALLOW MORE. AND AFTER ALL THE PUBLIC HEARINGS HAVE BEEN HELD, IF THE APPLICANT NEEDS TO COME BACK UP AND ADDRESS SOME ISSUES, WE ASK THEM TO DO THAT. AND AGAIN, NAME AND ADDRESS,

[a. October 27, 2025 Plan Commission Minutes]

[a. Z 25-31 Mark Stacy (District 4)]

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YEAH OKAY. THANK YOU. DENSITY OKAY. WE SEE IN THE FUTURE HIGHER COMMERCIAL DENSITY USE HERE. IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED CR. CR IS SUPPOSED TO BE FOR TRANSITION BETWEEN LOW DENSITY AREAS TO MIXED. WHAT IS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP TELLING US? I KNOW THAT THERE HAD BEEN A RECENT REDEVELOPMENT TO THE EAST WEST OF THERE. SO? SO WHAT ARE WE WHAT ARE WE? WHAT ARE WE VISIONING THERE? ENVISIONING. SO WE'RE ENVISIONING TRANSIT ORIENTED CENTERS. SO TRANSIT ORIENTED CENTERS ARE GOING TO BE AREAS THAT ARE WALKABLE. IT'S GOING TO BE AREAS THAT ATTRACT CITIZENS PEDESTRIANS TO WALK TO GATHER. THIS IS GOING TO BE A USE THAT WOULD ENCOURAGE CARS TO GATHER. SO THAT'S THE MAIN DIFFERENCE. OKAY. LAST QUESTION REGARDING THE TRASH CAN, I WOULD THINK THAT VACUUM STATIONS WOULD LEND. YOU NEED, YOU KNOW, TRASH BINS,

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YEAH. GO. YOU CAN'T GO LESS THAN WHAT'S OKAY. I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE AMENDMENT. SO IF WE IF WE APPROVE IT, THEY WILL STILL APPROVAL FOR REDUCED PARKING CAP. CORRECT? OKAY. THANK YOU. I DON'T HAVE A SPEAKER CARD IN THIS CASE. AND THERE YOU GO. OH, DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT. ALL RIGHT. MY NAME IS MARK STACEY. I'M THE APPLICANT FOR 12 SOUTH JEFFERSON, PILOT POINT, TEXAS. BEEN IN GARLAND, WORKED IN GARLAND. IN FACT, IF ANY OF Y'ALL REMEMBER HYPER MART, WE BUILT THAT. SO ANYWAY, ENJOY THIS TOWN. GLAD TO BE HERE. AS FAR AS YOUR QUESTIONS, THEY'RE VALID. WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION WITH MATTHEW WOOLVERTON AND UNFORTUNATELY HE'S OUT OF TOWN, SO WE NEVER REALLY FINISHED THE DISCUSSION WITH THE PARKING AND THE TRASH ENCLOSURE. THE TRASH ENCLOSURE, OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD WANT IT ON THE CAR WASH SITE JUST AS A MATTER OF CONVENIENCE FOR THE EMPLOYEES. BUT A SYSTEM CAN BE SET UP WHERE, YOU KNOW, AS THE TRASH CANS ARE EMPTIED, WE CAN TRANSPORT THAT TRASH TO THE BACK TO THE THE THE EXISTING DUMPSTERS. WITH REFERENCE TO THE PARKING. WE'RE ACTUALLY VERY CLOSE ON THE PARKING. A LOT OF IT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU, AS THE MUNICIPALITY, COUNT THE PARKING SPACES, AND EVERY CITY IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. SO NORMALLY, FOR ONE EXAMPLE, FOR INSTANCE, IS THE VACUUM SPACES. NOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THREE EMPLOYEES ON SITE. SO WE NEED THREE PARKING SPACES. SO WHEN WE SET UP OUR RATIOS AS FAR AS THE CONVEYOR SPEED, HOW MANY CARS WE'RE GOING TO THROUGHPUT AT A TIME, WE DEVELOP A NUMBER OF VACUUMS THAT WILL SERVICE THAT. IN THIS CASE FOR VACUUM SERVICES. THE FACILITY WE'VE GOT EIGHT SPOTS. SO THAT ACTUALLY IF YOU WOULD COUNT THOSE PARKING SPACES, WE TAKE CARE OF THE CAR WASH WITHOUT HAVING TO GO ON TO THE MAIN SITE. THE DEVELOPMENT, ANOTHER ITEM THAT I HOPE YOU ALL CONSIDER IS THE DEVELOPMENT IS OWNED BY THE FAMILY. SO WE'RE CREATING AN ENTITY FOR THE FAMILY IN THE FAMILY'S PROPERTY. I'M NOT SURE THAT THERE REALLY IS ANOTHER USE THAT WOULD WORK BECAUSE OF THE PARKING SITUATION. SO WE REALLY DON'T REQUIRE MANY PARKING SPACES FOR THE THE CAR WASH. BUT IF YOU WERE TO PUT IN EVEN A 2000 SQUARE FOOT RETAIL BUILDING, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDING, WHAT, 60 SPACES AND THEY'RE JUST NOT THERE. AND BACK TO OUR COUNT VERSUS STAFF'S COUNT, WE NEVER REALLY FINALIZED IT, BUT BY OUR COUNT, WE ACTUALLY WHEN WE ADD THE NEW PARKING SPACES, WE MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT. AND KIND OF THE WORST CASE IS WE'RE 17 SHORT. IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY AT ALL, YOU WOULD NOTICE THAT ACTUALLY THERE IS VERY LITTLE PARKING USED ON THAT SITE. IT'S JUST NOT CROWDED. IT'S NOT THERE'S NO CONFLICTS. THIS IS ACTUALLY A REALLY GOOD USE FOR IT. ON THE, THE. WHAT WAS THE OTHER POINT? I DON'T THINK THERE WERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. GO AHEAD.

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WE'VE ADDRESSED THE TRASH. WE'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH THE CITY ON REALLY ABOUT ANYTHING Y'ALL NEED. THAT'S WHY THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH ON THIS. WE EVEN HAVEN'T RUN THE METES AND BOUNDS ON IT YET, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT SURE WHERE WE'RE GOING TO END UP WITH THE LANDSCAPING, SOME OF THE OTHER ISSUES. SO WE'RE VERY FLEXIBLE ON HOW HOW WE PUT THIS THING TOGETHER. THE FAMILY IS HERE. THESE ARE GOING TO BE THE DEVELOPERS. HER UNCLE IS ACTUALLY THE MANAGING GENERAL PARTNER OF THE AREA. I KNOW A LOT OF TIMES THERE WAS RESPONSES IN THE TO THE, THE, THE CITIZEN RESPONSES. I'LL ASK THAT THERE WAS ACTUALLY ONE POSITIVE AND THERE WAS ONE NEGATIVE FROM THE AREA. AND THAT NEGATIVE RESPONSE WAS THE GUY THAT OWNED THE SELF-SERVE CAR WASH, WHO DIDN'T THINK IT WAS FAIR THAT YOU WERE GOING TO PUT OUR STYLE CAR WASH NEXT TO HIS CAR WASH. AND IF I WOULD HATE TO DISAGREE WITH HIM, BUT TYPICALLY A SELF-SERVE OR ONE TYPE IS COMPLEMENTED BY WHAT WE DO, AND THEY ACTUALLY IMPROVE THEIR. IF THEY TAKE CARE OF THEIR BUSINESS, THEY'LL IMPROVE THEIR BUSINESS JUST BASED ON IT BECOMES MORE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE WHERE I WANT TO GET MY CAR WASHED TODAY, IT'S THURSDAY, SO I'M GOING TO GO DOWN AND I'LL GET MY CAR WASHED WHILE I'M GOING TO TO DO MY WORKOUT, AND I'LL PICK UP SOME GROCERIES AND EVERYTHING IS RIGHT THERE ON SITE. WE HAVE ALMOST NO IMPACT ON INFRASTRUCTURE. OUR INGRESS EGRESS IS BASICALLY OFF. IT'S IT'S MORE OF A PRIVATE STREET AND AN EASEMENT THAN IT IS A CITY STREET. BUT WE'LL HAVE NO STACKING IMPACT ON THAT STRE. THE REST OF IT COMES FROM INTERNAL CIRCULATION. WE DON'T AFFECT FIRE LANES. SO I BOUNCE THE POSITIVES VERSUS THE NEGATIVES. ORIGINALLY, I BELIEVE SOMEBODY TRIED TO PUT A CAR WASH IN WITH THE SELF-SERVE WAS AND THEIR THOUGHT PROCESS WAS THEY WANTED TO PUT A TUNNEL IN. WELL, THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT STYLES OF CAR WASHES. WE HATE TO GET LUMPED IN WITH SOME OF THESE OTHERS. YOU KNOW, THE ONE TYPE EVERYBODY'S FAMILIAR WITH THAT THEY'VE BEEN AROUND FOR A HUNDRED YEARS. THE TUNNEL. EVERYBODY'S SEEN 400 OF THEM GO IN IN THE CITY OF DALLAS IN THE LAST THREE YEARS. IT'S A TURN AND BURN SERVICE. YOU PUT IN 125 FOOT CONVEYOR.

YOU YOU USE INEXPENSIVE CHEMICALS. YOU JUST PUSH THROUGH PEOPLE THROUGH AS FAST AS YOU CAN. OURS IS MORE OF A BOUTIQUE TYPE. WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR IS TAKING CARE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND WE DO THAT. THERE'S THERE'S A BALANCE. BY THE TIME INSIDE THE TUNNEL, THE SPEED OF THE CONVEYOR, HOW LONG THE TOUCHES ARE, THE WATER USAGE, THE CHEMICAL USAGE, AND ALL THESE THINGS COMBINED WILL GIVE YOU A GREAT CAR FOR YOUR CITIZENS. IF YOU TRY TO PUSH THE CAR THROUGH TOO FAST, YOU GET DIRTY CAR, YOU GET MAD FOR YOU. SO PERSONALLY, I'VE BEEN IN THIS BUSINESS SINCE 1978. BEEN DOING IT A WHILE. AND I ENJOY THE BUSINESS. I THINK THAT'S REALLY ALL I CAN COME UP WITH. I'LL START BABBLING AND GIVING AWAY TOO MUCH INFORMATION. GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS. I SEE.

NONE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING DOWN. YOU BET. I HAVE NO OTHER SPEAKER CARDS IN THIS ITEM. ANYBODY ELSE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COME ON DOWN, SIR. I WAS DOING GOOD.

ANY FAULKNER, THE GUY THAT OWNS THE CARWASH NEXT TO HIS. WE'RE NEXT DOOR TO WHERE HE'S WANTING TO BUILD THIS. I LIVE AT 5710 MILLER HEIGHTS IN ROWLETT. AND COUPLE YEARS AGO, I'VE OWNED THIS CAR WASH FOR MY FAMILY'S OWN, THIS CAR WASH SINCE THE LATE 70S. WE'VE BEEN IN THE CAR WASH BUSINESS FOR A LONG TIME ALSO, BUT I DID TRY SELLING MY CAR WASH A YEAR OR TWO AGO TO KUTTI CORPORATION, AND THE STAFF TOLD THEM AT THAT TIME, BECAUSE THEY WERE WANTING TO PUT IN A TON OF WASH, THAT THE CITY DIDN'T WANT ANY MORE WASHES, NO MORE AUTOMOTIVE.

EVEN THOUGH WE WERE GOINGO TAKE OUT A CAR WASH, PUT IN A NEW CAR WASH, THEY TOLD US NO.

SO I DO FEEL LIKE IT'S UNFAIR IF WE COME BACK NOW AND SAY, OH, BUT WE'LL PUT ONE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO YOU, YOU KNOW, TO IMPACT YOUR BUSINESS. SO. YEAH, IT'S TO ME, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A GOOD SPOT FOR A CAR WASH OR A WASH BECAUSE IT'S IN THE PARKING LOT OF A SHOPPING

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WE'VE. I'VE BEEN A LONG TIME BUSINESS OWNER IN GARLAND, AND AND I DON'T FEEL LIKE THIS IS THE BEST PLACE TO PUT THE TUNNEL WASH. SO THANK YOU. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. JUST A SECOND, COMMISSIONER JENKINS. SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO FORMULATE OUR THOUGHTS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. FELDMAN, FOR COMING DOWN. I JUST WANTED TO TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE CERTAIN WE WERE CONSISTENT. STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED A DENIAL OF THIS APPLICATION. SO NOW IT'S IT'S UP TO THE PUBLIC, THE PUBLIC'S, YOU KNOW, THE COMMISSION AND ULTIMATELY CITY COUNCIL TO KE THE FINAL SAY. BUT STAFF IS NOT MISLED THAT THAT PROCESS. I JUST WANT TO BE SURE THAT'S CLEAR I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE? THE APPLICANT CARE TO COME BACK UP OR AND REBUT ANYTHING OR AND NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. HI I'M BAILEY, I LIVE IN ARLINGTON, AND SORRY, THIS IS MY FIRST TIME AT A MEETING LIKE THIS. I GET A LITTLE NERVOUS, BUT I WANTED TO SAY THAT. I WANT TO SAY THAT I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE MORE OPTION FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE AROUND THE AREA, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THERE'S OTHER CAR WASH THERE AS WELL, BUT THEY'RE NOT PROVIDING A GOOD SERVICE. AND I JUST FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE SHOULD DESERVE WHAT, YOU KNOW, GOOD CAR WASH SHOULD HAVE. AND I'M HERE TO PROVIDE THAT SERVICE, CREATE, YOU KNOW, HEALTHY COMPETITION, GIVE BETTER PRICING. AND WHAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE NEED A GOOD CAR WASH.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. SORRY ABOUT THAT, MR. CHAIR. YEAH, WE DID, WE DID NEED A STREET ADDRESS. YEAH. SORRY. ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH. NEED NEED YOUR STREET ADDRESS. 1011 RIDGE LANE IN ARLINGTON, TEXAS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. DO YOU HAVE SOME? OKAY. COME ON BACK, COMMISSIONER JENKINS. YOU'RE STILL. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIAIR. MISS BAILEY, YOU'RE DOING WONDERFULLY. AND I'LL BE SUCCINCT. OKAY. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOUR GOAL IS TO PROVIDE A SERVICE TO THAT COMMUNITY. ARE THERE OTHER SERVICES THAT YOU'VE CONSIDERED FOR THAT PARTICULAR SITE, ORR IS THIS THE ONE THAT YOU'RE CONVINCED IS THE BEST POSSIBLE COURSE OF ACTION, GIVEN THE NEEDS OF THAT AREA? SO WE THINK THIS IS THE BEST JUST BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE PUT IN OTHER RETAIL USE, LIKE WHAT MARK SAID, THE PARKING LOT WOULD NOT SUPPORT THAT. AND SECONDLY, WE WE KNOW THAT AROUND THE AREA THERE'S A LOT OF APARTMENTS. AND THIS IS LIKE A SERVICE THAT PEOPLE WOULD NEED BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY HARD TO WASH YOUR CARS IF YOU'RE LIVING IN AN APARTMENT. SO WE THINK THAT PEOPLE WOULD WOULD APPRECIATE THIS SERVICE BECAUSE THERE'S ONE THAT IS, YOU KNOW, FIVE MINUTES DOWN BROADWAY AS WELL. BUT OVER THE YEARS, I DON'T WANT TO SAY ANYTHING. BUT OVER THE YEARS, I LOOK AT THE GOOGLE REVIEW, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE A LITTLE UPSET WITH THE SERVICE AND THE PRICE THAT THEY GET. SO I HOPE THAT FOR US TO BE THERE AND PROVIDE THE SERVICE THAT THE COMMUNITY NEED AT AFFORDABLE PRICE, THANK YOU. YES, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WELL, YEAH. I'LL CALL YOU BACK UP AS SOON AS I'M SURE EVERYBODY'S SPOKEN. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

I'LL ASK AGAIN IF THERE'S ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WISHES TO ADDRESS THIS CASE.

COME ON BACK. AND. SO. SO ONE THING I DID SAY THIS IS TO. OUR COMMUNITY HAS VERY LITTLE IMPACT ON. THIS. WILL RECLAIM OVER 60% OF OUR WATER ON THE INFLUENCE. GOING OUT THINKING THAT THAT MUCH LOWER VOLUME, 15G THE THE. ELECTRICAL. SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, 21ST CENTURY. SO LITTLE TIME TO RAISE MONEY FOR THE BOUNDARIES FOR THE USE OF DIFFUSING TO WE HAVE VERY LITTLE IMPACT. AND I KNOW WATER AND WAS TALKING ABOUT. DO YOU REALLY ARE USED FOR FAR AS WELL AS LONG AS IT TAKES US AT LEAST. THIS YEAR WE ARE REALLY IN. REALLY THINKING ABOUT DOING THE SAME. I THINK WE'RE ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO, YOU KNOW, SPEAKERS MOTION, MOTION DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER CORNELIUS, LET ME GET YOU LIVE THERE. OKAY, GREAT.

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ALRIGHTY. WE'RE IN DISCUSSION MODE. ANYBODY CARE TO CHIME IN? COMMISSIONER CORNELIUS AND THEN COMMISSIONER PARIS. YOU KNOW, I I'M THANK YOU FOR COMING AND PRESENTING THIS. UNFORTUNATELY, I JUST THINK THERE'S A BETTER USE FOR THAT AREA. I'M BOTHERED BY THE PARKING LOT AND IT BEING IN THE PARKING LOT. I JUST I DON'T SEE THAT AS A GOOD USE. AND I'M GOING TO RECOMMEND DENIAL IN AGREEMENT WITH STAFF. ALL RIGHT. AND COMMISSIONER PARIS. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT AND HEARING. AN UPDATE ON THIS. I'M TRYING TO GET YOUR MIC LIVE HERE. THERE WE GO. I'M UP. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR COMING AND SPEAKING TO US AND GIVING YOUR FEEDBACK AROUND THIS, THIS USE. I AM ALSO IN A IN AGREEMENT WITH WHAT THE STAFF HAS PROVIDED. A COUPLE OF REASONS. ONE, THIS IS AN AREA WHERE I GO. I GO PRETTY OFTEN TO SHOP AND SO THE PARKING DOECONCERN ME IN TERMS OF JUST IF IT'S FOR THE USES, FOR MORE GATHERING OF PEOPLE AND WALKING AND THEN JUST LIMITED PARKING IS WHAT I WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT. AND THEN THE OTHER IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S OTHER IT'S OTHER USES SIMILAR TO THIS, JUST NOT TOO FAR AWAY IN TERMS OF SERVICING THE AREA. SO I'M HAVING A HARD TIME THINKING THAT THIS WOULD BE THE BEST USE OF THAT OF THAT SPACE. BUT I DO APPRECIATE YOU COMING DOWN AND SHARING WITH US YOUR YOUR FEEDBACK. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND, COMMISSIONER DALTON, I THINK YOU CHIMED IN AND YOU THANK YOU. I HAVE TO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER CORNELIUS AND HER ASSESSMENT OF THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY. I BELIEVE THERE'S BETTER USE FOR THIS. I THINK ANYTHING OF THTHIS SIZE BUILT ON THAT PARTICULAR PIECE OFF PARKING WOULD BE VERY DETRIMENTAL TO THAT ENTIRE AREA. SO I'LL BE JOINING HER IN VOTING AGAINST THE APPLICATION.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER JENKINS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. AS AS ALL TOO OFTEN, I CAME IN THIS EVENING CONVINCED THAT I WAS GOING TO VOTE ACCORDING TO MY NOTES ONE WAY. BUT AFTER CONSIDERATION OF THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST AND THE DESIGN OF THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT THEY PRESENTED, I THINK THIS COULD BE GOOD FOR THAT AREA. THIS COULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MODERNIZE AN OLDER RETAIL STRUCTURE, TO BRING IT UP TO A NEWER, MORE MODERN STANDARD. I RECOGNIZE THAT THE THAT THE INTENDED USE FOR THE AREA IS TRANSIT ORIENTED TO MAKE IT MORE COMMUNITY, COMMUNITY MINDED. WHICH IS WHY, AGAIN, I WOULD ASK OF THE APPLICANT AND THE FAMILY, ARE THERE OTHER PARTICULAR USES THAT YOU KNOW COULD SERVE THAT COMMUNITY MUCH BETTER THAN AN AUTOMATED ROLLOVER CAR WASH? SO I'M ON THE FENCE RIGHT NOW. I'M IN SUPPORT OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, BUT DEPENDING UPON SOME OF THE COMMENTS OR ANALYSIS THAT'S PROVIDED BY SOME OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS, I COULD BE SWAYED. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? WELL, I'LL JUST SAY I AGREE WITH STAFF TOO. AND FOR A COUPLE REASONS. I THINK STAFF HAS A TENDENCY TO BE FORWARD LOOKING. AND I WANT TO BE A LITTLE FORWARD LOOKING. TONIGHT WE'RE GETTING IMPROVEMENTS ALONG 635 NEW INTERIONS, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE REDEVELOPMENT COME UP THIS ROADWAY HERE AND CATCH THAT.

AND IN LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN, I THOUGHT, THAT CAN'T BE THAT SHORT OF PARKING. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE AERIAL, IT'S SMALLER PARKING LOT THAN WHAT WE TYPICALLY SEE. AND I DIDN'T COUNT. YOU HAD A RESTAURANT IN THERE. YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ADD A RESTAURANT IN THERE, AND THAT'S PROBABLY MORE OF WHAT WE WANT TO SEE IS MAYBE A NICE RESTAURANT OR EVEN A COUPLE SMALL RESTAURANTS, BECAUSE THEIR PARKING REQUIREMENT IS JUST SO MUCH MOR. I THINK THERE'S A BETTER FUTURE FOR THAT LAND. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE? AND I SEE NONE. I TICKET

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OKAY. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THIS AGENDA. ITEM Z2531 AS PRESENTED BY STAFF, A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER CORNELIUS AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER PARIS FOR DENIAL, AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION. OKAY. VOTE. MOTION IS TO DENY. MOTION PASSES 7 TO 1, WITH COMMISSIONER ABEL IN OPPOSITION. ALL RIGHT. NEXT

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ACCESS WILL BE FROM THACKERY ROAD FROM THE SOUTH AND BOBTOWN ROAD ON THE NORTH. THEY ARE PROPOSING A POCKET PARK HERE WHICH WOULD BE GATED WITH ORNAMENTAL FENCING, BUT IT WILL ALSO HAVE ACCESS. PUBLIC WILL ALSO HAVE ACCESS TO THIS POCKET. SO THE REQUESTS THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A SERIES OF DEVIATIONS. THE FIRST IS THAT ONE THAT I ALREADY MENTIONED WITH, INCLUDING SUBDISTRICT THREE AND THE COMMUNITY RETAIL ASPECT INTO THE PD 1820. THE SECOND IS THE SIDE YARD SETBACK. THE PD DOES REQUIRE TO REQUIRE A MINIMUM OF FIVE YARD, FIVE FOOT SIDE YARD SETBACK. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A VARIABLE ONE FEET AND FIVE FEET SIDE SETBACK. ON THE STAFF REPORT. WE DID MENTION THAT WE WERE GOING TO VERIFY FIRE AND BUILDING INSPECTION SAFETY, AND THEY ARE FINE WITH IT BECAUSE THEY WILL BE USING FIRE RATED WALL FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE HOME. SO THEY ARE OKAY WITH THE FIVE FEET SIDE YARD AND THE ONE FOOT SIDE YARD SETBACK. THE BUILDING DESIGN, THE PD 18 DASH 20 REQUIRES THERE'S A LIST OF DESIGN ELEMENTS. THEY HAVE TO CHOOSE FIVE OUT OF THIS LIST OF 14 ITEMS, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO DEVIATE FROM THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS WITH THE OPTIONS ON THE RIGHT, WHICH ARE GARAGE DOORS WITH DECORATIVE HARDWARE, THE PD REQUIREMENT. THE COUNTERPART FOR THAT WOULD BE CARRIAGE STYLE GARAGE DOORS WITH DECORATIVE HARDWARE WHEN FRONT OR SIDE ENTRY, WHICH THIS

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SO STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE PD FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. BECAUSE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES SUPPORT MORE DENSE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA. BUT STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT FOLLOW THE BUILDING DESIGN STANDARDS AS STIPULATED IN THE ORIGINAL PD 1820. SO WE SENT OUT 91 LETTERS AND WE RECEIVED THREE IN OPPOSITION OF THE REQUEST. AND THE LETTERS MAINLY SPOKE ABOUT THERE'S TOO MUCH TRAFFIC, THERE'S ALREADY A LOT OF POPULATION IN THE AREA. THEY DON'T WANT MORE DEVELOPMENT TO BE CONCENTRATED IN THE AREA. THAT IS IT. THE APPLICANT IS AVAILABLE AND STAFF IS AVAILABLE AS WELL.

OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER JENKINS AND THEN COMMISSIONER CORNELIUSSEN.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I'VE GOT QUESTIONS RELATING TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY MAINTAIN THE FIVE ELEMENTS OR FIVE. SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE PD HAS CERTAIN DESIGN ELEMENTS THAT IT REQUIRES. THEY'RE SAYING NO, THOSE ELEMENTS ARE NOT SOMETHING THAT WE ARE WE THINK ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE SITE. OTHER THAN MY MODERNIZATION, I SUPPOSE, YOU KNOW, HAVING THESE ELEMENTS BE MORE IN TUNE TO WHAT MIGHT BE THE TRENDS. NOW, WHAT IS STAFF'S HESITATION TO ACCEPT THE BUILDING DESIGN ELEMENTS? SO THESE DESIGN ELEMENTS, THEY TO SOME DEGREE THEY'RE LESSER TO WHAT THE PD 1820 REQUIRES.

SO IF YOU SEE THE GARAGE DOORS WITH DECORATIVE HARDWARE, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING.

BUT THE PD REQUIRES CARRIAGE STYLE GARAGE DOORS WITH DECORATIVE HARDWARE. SO THAT'S AN ADDED COMPONENT TO IT. ANOTHER COMPONENT IS YES, THEY'RE THEY'RE REQUESTING FOR THE COVERED PORCH, BUT THE PD REQUIRES A COVERED FRONT PORCH. AT LEAST 1,550% FRONT FACADE

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SO THEY WORK TO WORK IT WORKED IT OUT WITH ENGINEERING ON THAT. AND THEY'RE OKAY WITH THAT DESIGN. SO THE DETAILS WOULD COME THROUGH DURING SITE PERMIT REVIEW. BUT ENGINEERING REVIEWED IT AND THEY'RE FINE WITH THAT SHAPE ENGINEERS. YEAH OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YES.

COMMISSIONER CORNELIUS AND COMMISSIONER DUCKWORTH. YEAH THERE'S A LAG IN THE SYSTEM. I GET IT AS IT RELATES TO THE DESIGN ELEMENTS. DID YOU SPEAK WITH THE APPLICANT AND LET THEM KNOW? AND DID THEY OFFER ANY SUGGESTIONS TO BE MORE IN LINE WITH THE PD REQUIREMENTS? SO STAFF MATTHEW WAS HANDLING THE CASE SO HE HAD COMMUNICATION WITH THEM ON. HEY THIS IS GOING TO BE OUR RECOMMENDATION WITH THE DESIGN ELEMENTS. BUT WE'RE SUPPORTIVE OF THE CASE IN GENERAL. BUT IF THEY WERE TO MEET THOSE DESIGN STANDARDS, IS IT SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO YOU ALL AND THEY CAN DO IT RIGHT NOW? OKAY. MY NEXT QUESTION IS REGARDING PARKING. I KNOW THAT THAT'S BEEN A ISSUE, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COMMUNITY DISCUSSED AS WELL. THE THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS. WHAT DID IT WHAT DID IT SAY. SO THEY WERE NOT REQUIRED TO SUBMIT A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS BECAUSE THE THERE WASN'T A PROPOSED THERE WASN'T A. SAY. A INCREASE THERE WASN'T A. CRITERIA. YEAH. IT DID MEET THE CRITERIA TO FOR A TIA BECAUSE THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A PROPOSED OR FORESEEN INCREASE IN TRAFFIC BECAUSE IT'S SO SMALL. IT'S JUST 54 HOMES. SO IT'S MAINLY PEOPLE GOING TO AND FROM WORK TO AND FROM THE GROCERY STORE, JUST YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD TYPE OF USES. IT'S NOT AN INTENSE USE THAT WOULD TRIGGER A TIA, SOMETHING LIKE A SCHOOL OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE A LOT OF POPULATION ON SITE WOULD TRIGGER A TIA, I GUESS. I GUESS MY CONCERN JUST BECOMES, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COMING THROUGH THE AREA BELIEVING THAT. I MEAN, I GUESS IT'S WE'RE MAKING AN ASSUMPTION THAT THEY'LL COME IN, STOP RIGHT THERE AT THACKERY OR RIGHT THERE AT BOBTOWN AND GO IN. I MEAN, PEOPLE, VISITORS, THEIR PARKING AND DRIVING ALL THROUGHOUT THE AREA, NOT JUST THERE. SO THAT'S WHY I WAS WONDERING IF THERE WAS A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS THAT WAS DONE FOR THAT. YEAH. I TALKED WITH OUR TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT IN DEPTH, AND EVEN WHEN HE DID, HE DID ANOTHER STUDY TODAY AND WAS LIKE, YEAH, THIS IS NOT GOING TO CREATE A PROBLEM OR AN ISSUE IN THE AREA WITH REGARDS TO TRANSPORTATION AND THE IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORING THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES. OKAY, I KNOW I'VE BEEN DRIVING YOU CRAZY. NO, NO, NO, BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH BECAUSE I, I SENT OVER A GOOD LAUNDRY LIST OF QUESTIONS. SO I THANK YOU. SO JUST FYI FOR TIA, IT'S 100 TRIPS AMP AND PICK PICK PICK HOURS OR 2500 TRIPS PER DAY.

THAT'S THE TRIGGER FOR TRANSPORTATION TO REQUIRE A TIA. AND THIS PROJECT DIDN'T DIDN'T CAUSE THAT. I'M SURE I'LL HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION HERE IN A MINUTE. NO PROBLEM. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DUCKWORTH. OKAY, LET'S GET YOU LIVE THERE. COME ON. THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU.

PIGGYBACKING ON THE PREVIOUS QUESTION, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE MAP AND SHOW US WHERE VISITOR PARKING WOULD BE? PARALLEL PARKING. CORRECT. YEAH. PARALLEL PARKING ALL ALONG? YES, SIR. OKAY. AND ON THE TREES, I BELIEVE. I BELIEVE Y'ALL RECOMMENDED APPROVAL WITH ONE LARGE CANOPY TREE RATHER THAN THE REQUIRED TWO. YES, WE WERE OKAY WITH THEM HAVING THE ONE LARGE ONE, BUT OF COURSE THE COMMISSION COULD SAY, HEY, WE WANT YOU TO HAVE THOSE TWO. OR YOU CAN SAY, HEY, PROVIDE AN ORNAMENTAL AT THE E REAR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT WE'RE FINE WITH THAT JUST BECAUSE THE LOTS ARE SMALLER, MUCH SMALLER THAN THE IN THE MOST DENSE

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AND YOUOU'RE RIGH THE DEFINITION OF A CARRIAGE GARAGE DOOR IS MUCH DIFFERENT. AND IF I RECALL IN THE REPORT IT SAID THERE IS NO MINIMUM LOT SIZE. CORRECT. OKAY. SO SOMETHING YOU MAY BE ABLE TO THINK ABOUT IT. STAFF HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS ON A MINIMUM LOT SIZE AND THE SIX INCH SETBACK FOR THE GARAGE DOOR. AGAIN THIS IS THE ARCHITECT IN ME. THEY COULD DO A FLUSH WALL. THAT ACTUAL GARAGE DOOR SET BACK NINE INCHES WITH THE BRICK AND THE WOOD FRAMING. SO A FLUSH WALL THAT WOULD COMPLY. SO WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT. AND THIS THIS ONE'S A LITTLE MORE OBTUSE. DO WE KNOW THOSE TWO SUBSTATIONS. ARE THEY BOTH ENCORE OR GPL OR COMBINATION THEREOF. I'D HAVE TO CHECK ON THAT OKAY I SEE PARDON. OKAY I SEE AN OPPORTUNITY HERE. THERE ARE TWO DRIVEWAYS COMING OUT OF THOSE TWO SEPARATE SUBSTATIONS. THEY COULD PUT ONE DRIVE MORE ON THE LEFT AND MAYBE ACQUIRE MORE PROPERTY FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT TO BE GREEN SPACE BEHIND THE HOUSES BEFORE THEY WERE DRIVEWAY. THAT'S JUST A RANDOM THOUGHT AND IT WON'T AFFECT MY FINAL DECISION. SO I THINK YEAH, THE SEPARATION OF THE HOUSES, THE PORCH SIZE. YEAH. THAT'S MY COMMENTS. ANY ANY OTHER STAFF? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANKS.

AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE. CHAIR. COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS MAXWELL FISHER WITH ZONE DEV 2502 GRANDVIEW DRIVE, RICHARDSON, TEXAS, 75080 REPRESENTING ARTWORKS HOLDINGS LLC. STAFF MENTIONED THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CALLS FOR URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH WE WOULD ALL ACTUALLY BE A LITTLE LESS DENSE THAN THAT WOULD BE MORE TOWARDS THE COMPACT NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT ESSENTIALLY RESIDENTIAL. AND THEN WHEN PD 1820 WAS APPROVED, THERE WAS A CITY INITIATED ZONING CASE AND IT HAD A VISION PLAN. WITH THAT, IT SHOWED SOME COMMERCIAL FOR THIS PROPERTY, BUT IT ALSO SHOWED A CHURCH ON THE EAST SIDE OF OF ROSE HILL. AND WE ALL KNOW THAT THE AREA ON THE EAST SIDE AND THE SOUTH HAS GONE MORE RESIDENTIAL. AND WE FEEL THIS SITE SHOULD ALSO GO RESIDENTIAL JUST BECAUSE OF ITS LOCATION, SORT OF REMOVED FROM THE HIGHWAY. ITS DEPTH IS A LITTLE MORE SHALLOW. WITH THE SUBSTATION THERE, WE FEEL THAT RESIDENTIAL IS A BETTER LONG TERM VIABLE USE FOR THIS PROPERTY. ALSO, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT 1820 ACTUALLY ALLOWS TOWNHOMES ON THIS ON FOR FOR THE PORTION THAT'S IN

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THAT'S THAT'S IN SUBDISTRICT THREE. THAT DOESN'T ALLOW RESIDENTIAL, ALLOWS COMMERCIAL.

SO WE'VE TRIED TO DESIGN THE DEVELOPMENT. IT IS A SMALL, SMALLER LOT DEVELOPMENT. I WOULD THINK OF IT MORE LIKE A TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENT IN TERMS OF THE DENSITY AND THE PRODUCT, WHICH THERE'S THERE'S BEEN A FEW PHASES APPROVED IN THIS AREA. SO WE TRIED TO DO A DEVELOPMENT THAT IS VERY WALKABLE. IT HAS A PARK THAT'S GOING TO BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, BUT IT WILL BE MAINTAINED BY THE HOA. AND WITHIN A LOT OF PEDESTRIAN, A FEW PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS THAT CONNECT TO A TRAIL THAT'S ON THE NORTH SIDE. SO IT'S 54 UNITS ON SEVEN ACRES, ABOUT SEVEN UNITS PER ACRE. SO IT FALLS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE MEDIUM DENSITYTY CATEGOR.

IT'S GOING TO BE A TWO STORY FRONT ENTRY PRODUCT. LIKE I SAID, THERE'S A TRAIL ALONG BOBTOWN ALREADY. THERE'S STREET LIGHTS IN THIS AREA AS WELL AS STREET STREET TREES. SO IT'S WALKABLE. WE WANT TO CONTINUE THAT WITH OUR DEVELOPMENT. HOMES ARE ROUGHLY 1700 SQUARE FEET. YOU KNOW, THESE ARE ATTAINABLE HOMES. THESE ARE KIND OF ADDRESSES. THE MISSING MIDDLE. THESE ARE NOT MANSIONS. THESE ARE NICE, QUALITY HOMES FOR SOMEONE WHO'S MAYBE FIRST ENTERING THE HOUSING MARKET. AS I MENTIONED, THERE IS SOME THERE IS SOME PARALLEL PARKING AS STAFF MENTIONED. NOW THERE WILL BE EVERY EVERY HOUSE WILL HAVE A TWO CAR GARAGE, AND THEY'LL ALSO BE TWO SPACES FOR TWO CARS ON SITE. SO THAT'S FOUR PARKING SPACES. IN ADDITION TO THAT, BECAUSE THE HOMES ARE IS A LITTLE MORE DENSE. WE ARE HAVING SOME PARALLEL SPACES AS WELL. THAT'S IN ON THE CITY STREET THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

AS I MENTIONED, THE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION WILL HAVE ONE. OF COURSE, OUR PARK WILL HAVE A CONNECTION THERE FROM THE MAIN TRAIL ON THE NORTH SIDE. THERE'S ALSO ANOTHER SIX FOOT SIDEWALK PLAN IN THE ELECTRIC EASEMENT, AND SO YOU CAN SEE IT THERE IN RED. FROM THE MIDDLE OF OUR DEVELOPMENT, SOMEONE COULD EASILY HAVE A LITTLE GATED AREA THERE WHERE SOMEONE CAN EASILY GET OUT TO ROSE HILL ROAD. THIS ASSUMES THAT THE ELECTRIC PROVIDER WILL LET US HAVE THAT GATE, BUT AT THE VERY LEAST WE'LL HAVE A PAVED SIDEWALK THERE SO NEIGHBORS CAN QUICKLY GET OUT TO ROSE HILL AND NOT HAVE TO GO DOWN THE STREET. AS FAR AS THE TRAFFIC GOES, THE STAFF MENTIONED THERE'S NO TIA WARRANTY. WE ONLY HAVE ABOUT 400 DAILY TRIPS, WE'RE WELL UNDER THE THRESHOLD. WHAT'S NICE IS THAT WE ACTUALLY AT ONE POINT WE WERE LOOKING AT A DIRECT CONNECTION TO ROSE HILL, BUT THE CITY STAFF SUGGESTED THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE TWO POINTS THAT COME OFF A LITTLE LESS BUSIER STREETS, IN THIS CASE BOBTOWN ROAD AND THACKERY AS A TRANSITION. NOT TO MENTION THERE'S NO MEDIAN CUT AT ROSE HILL. THAT WAS ALSO A CHALLENGE. SO THIS IS WE FEEL THIS IS THE BEST LAYOUT FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT. LET'S SEE WHAT'S NEXT HERE. THE TREE PRESERVE. SO WE DID MEET WITH THE PARKS OF ROSE HILL IN LATE SEPTEMBER. NO YEAH. LATE SEPTEMBER, SEPTEMBER 3030TH. I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER CORNELIUS WAS IN ATTENDANCE AT THAT MEETING, AS WELL AS COUNCIL MEMBER, WHICH I APPRECIATE THEIR ATTENDANCE AND A FEW THINGS THEY REALLY DID ASK US TO DO. ONE IS THEY WE ORIGINALLY HAD SIX MORE HOMES ON ON THACKERY. WE REMOVED THOSE HOMES. THEY DIDN'T WANT THE THE HOMES UP AGAINST THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. SO WE DID THAT. I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S BASICALLY WE JUST TOOK THOSE AWAY. AND SO THERE WAS SOME BACK AND FORTH WHERE WE HAD TO NEGOTIATE ON THE PRICE FOR THAT, THE PORTION ON THE SOUTH END. BUT WE GOT THERE TO WHERE WE CAN MAKE IT WORK BY LOSING THOSE SIX HOMES. THE AREA IN BLUE WILL BE A DETENTION AREA. THERE'S ALSO A PARKS OF ROSE HILL SUBDIVISION SIGN THAT'S LOCATED AT THE THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF ROSE HILL AND THACKERY, AND THAT WILL BE RELOCATED. WE'LL RELOCATE THAT SIGN ACTUALLY TO THE PROPOSED TREE PRESERVE AREA. SO THAT WAY IT'S NOT CONFUSING. WHEN YOU'RE COMING INTO THE DEVELOPMENT, YOU WON'T SEE THE PARKS ROSE HILL SIGN AND YOU'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO THE VISTAS NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT'S PROPOSED HERE. SO THAT SIGN WILL BE RELOCATED NEXT TO THE SUBDIVISION. AND THAT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT A SIGN FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT ON THAT CORNER. STAFF WENT OVER THESE THESE VARIANCES. I'M HAPPY TO TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS ON THESE VARIANCES. THE THE 1 TO 5 FOOT OFFSET SIX FOOT SEPARATION BETWEEN HOMES. THE THE FIRE BUILDING CODE DOES ALLOW FOR THAT. AS LONG AS YOU HAVE A FIRE RATED WALL AND NO OPENINGS ON THE ONE FOOT SIDE. WE'VE AGREED TO DO THAT. I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME ILLUSTRATIVE

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MAKES SENSE. I THINK WE'RE STILL GOING TO PUT THAT ONE TREE IN THE FRONT FRONT YARD WHERE IT SERVES A PUBLIC PURPOSE, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU EXPERIENCE. AND SO WE MEET THE SPIRIT AND INTENT THERE. WE DIDN'T WANT TO BURDEN THE PROPERTY OWNER WITH A LARGE TREE ON A ON A MUCH SMALLER LOT IN THE BACKYARD. THEY CAN PUT A TREE, THEY CAN PUT AS MANY TREES AS THEY WANT BACK THERE. THEY CAN KNOCK THEMSELVES OUT ON TREES IF THEY WANT AND BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TO. THAT'S UP TO THE PROPERTY OWNER TO DO SO. WE THOUGHT THAT WAS THE BEST, BEST APPROACH THERE. THE GARAGE OFFSET. YOU KNOW, AS A LONGTIME ARCHITECT, I'M SURE YOU CAN GET SNEAKY WITH THE THE THE GARAGE OFFSET. I'VE NEVER DONE THAT. YEAH, THE FACADE WOULD BE OFFSET A MINIMUM OF SIX INCHES. WE COULD GO A LITTLE BIT LARGER IF YOU WANTED TO, OR A CERTAIN WORDING TO AVOID THAT SITUATION. THE POINT IS THAT THESE WE WANT TO MAXIMIZE OUR FLOOR AREA FOR THE LIMITED LOT SIZE THAT THESE ARE, GIVE THE BUILDER THE MAXIMUM FLEXIBILITY, BUT STILL HAVE SOMEWHAT OF AN OFFSET. SO YOU STILL HAVE THAT VISUAL APPEAL OR DISTANCE OF THAT FACADE. SO THAT'S THE POINT THERE. THE SCALE I THINK WHEN THE WHEN THIS WAS DESIGNED THAT THE PD WAS DESIGNED, THE SCALE OF SOME OF THE SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS, THE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS ARE BASED ON A STANDARD SIZE HOME AND SO NOT ON A SMALLER SCALE DEVELOPMENT NECESSARILY. ON THE THE DESIGN ELEMENTS. WE'LL TALK TO A COUPLE ABOUT THOSE. IT SEEMED LIKE WE'RE ASKING FOR A LOT OF A LOT OF VARIANCES THERE. MODIFICATIONS REALLY ONLY A PART ON TWO IF YOU DON'T COUNT THE COMPARABLE ELEMENTS, WHICH WE'LL CHOOSE ONE LATER AT THE DESIGN AT THE DESIGN STAGE, BUT THE GARAGE DOORS WITH DECORATIVE HARDWARE, WE DON'T WANT TO BE STUCK WITH HAVING TO DO A CARRIAGE STYLE DOOR. CARRIAGE STYLE DOOR IS IS IS A WHAT YOU SEE IN A CUSTOM HOME, A TRUE CUSTOM HOME. IT'S USUALLY IT'S EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE DOOR. WE WILL DO WE DO SEE THE VALUE AND SOME OF SOME OF DOING MORE OF A CARRIAGE. AND I THINK THE WORDING IN THE PD IS ACTUALLY CARRIAGE STYLE. WE JUST WANTED TO BE SURE IT DIDN'T MEAN WE HAVE TO DO A CARRIAGE DOOR, BUT WE CAN DO HARDWARE TO MAKE IT LOOK FOR THE GARAGE DOORS BROKEN UP TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE IT BASICALLY LOOKS LIKE TWO DOORS OPEN UP. IT KIND OF GIVES BREAKS UP THAT HORIZONTAL. MONOTONY THAT YOU HAVE WITH WITH THE DOOR. SO THESE WHAT YOU SEE HERE THAT THIS DOES NOT HAVE ANY HARDWARE ON IT. THIS IS JUST THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. AND SO THIS DOES NOT HAVE ANY SORT OF HARDWARE. BUT WE WOULD OF COURSE AGREE TO DO THAT. WE'D LIKE THE LANGUAGE TO SAY GARAGE DOORS WITH DECORATIVE HARDWARE. THE OTHER ONE IS THE COVERED COVERED PORCH. WE'RE OKAY WITH THE COVERED PORCH. BUT AS AS CHAIRMAN MENTIONED, WE CAN'T DO 50%. IT WOULD. I MEAN, THE GARAGE DOORS ALONE IS JUST EYEBALLING IT. IT'S PROBABLY 80%. AND SO WE WOULD HAVE A COVERED PORCH WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE THE WIDTH OF THE DOOR AND PROBABLY A FOOT ON EACH SIDE OF THE DOOR. SO IF THERE'S A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE, WE CAN PROBABLY COME UP WITH THAT, BUT EFFECTIVELY WOULD BE SAY IF IT'S A THREE FOOT WIDE DOOR, WE'LL SAY 4 TO 5FT OF WIDTH, YOU KNOW, COULD BE COVERED PORCH. THAT WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE COVERED PORCH FOR THE SCALE OF THESE, OF THESE HOMES. AND THEN ON THE OTHER ONES, I MEAN, WE CAN CHOOSE FROM COMPARABLE ELEMENTS NOT LISTED. SO WE COULD DEFINITELY WORK WITH STAFF ON MAKING SURE WE MEET THE INTENT BY HAVING A MINIMUM OF FIVE. BUT WE'D LIKE TO FOR TWO OF THEM, WELL, FOUR OF THEM. TWO. WE ARE MEETING THE DISTINCTIVE LIGHTING. WE'RE MEETING THAT AND WE'RE MEETING THE DIVIDED LIGHTED WINDOWS. WE LIKE THE TWO OF TWO OF THOSE, THE COVERED PORCH AND GARAGE DOORS TO BE WORDED AS WE PROPOSED IT IN THE IN OUR APPLICATION. IF THE COMMISSION AGREES AS A FLOOR PLAN, TWO STORY PRODUCT. WE THINK THE RESIDENTIAL DENSITY ALIGNS WITH

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COMMISSIONER JENKINS AND COMMISSIONER CORNELIUS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. GOOD EVENING SIR. GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN. YOU ALWAYS BRING US QUALITY, QUALITY APPLICANTS AND PRESENTATIONS. THE QUESTION I'VE GOT IS, DO YOU HAVE A COUNTER TO STAFF'S COMMENTS REGARDING THE BUILDING DESIGN ANALYST? WELL, WE CAN'T WE CAN'T PROVIDE 50% OF THE PORCH ON THE ON THE, ON THE FRONT BECAUSE THEN WE'D HAVE TO HAVE A HOUSE THAT WOULD BE. 60FT WIDE IN ORDER TO MEET THAT REQUIREMENT. AND THESE ARE JUST IT WOULD IT WOULD JUST KILL THE PROJECT. IF WE CHOSE A PORCH NOW, WE COULD POTENTIALLY LOOK AT ANOTHER ONE. BUT WE THE THE BUILDER WE'RE WORKING WITH WENT THROUGH THE LIST AND HE SAID, HEY, WE WANT TO DO THESE FIVE.

WE LIKE TWO OF THEM TO BE MODIFIED SLIGHTLY. AND I THINK WHEN I WAS ON, I WAS ACTUALLY I WASN'T ON STAFF, BUT I WAS STAFF ADJACENT AT THE TIME WHEN THIS PD WAS CREATED. AND SO YOU MAY HAVE BEEN SITTING UP HERE, I THINK I MAY HAVE BEEN. YEAH. AND SO I DO REMEMBER THAT THE INTENT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE CREATING A DOCUMENT LIKE THIS, IT'S HARD TO FORESEE THE SCALE AND THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, WOULD COME UP IN A, IN A DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS. AND SO THOSE STANDARDS THAT WERE CREATED, THOSE DESIGN STANDARDS, THEY WERE THEY WORK FOR A CONVENTIONAL HOME PRODUCT, BUT FOR SMALLER SCALE DEVELOPMENT, YOU WOULD NEVER HAVE A PORCH THAT WOULD BE 50% OF THE ENTIRE FACADE, BECAUSE YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE A REALLY WIDE HOUSE TO HAVE A PORCH THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU SEE SOME A CERTAIN STYLE OF, OF, OF HOUSING PRODUCT. AND THEN LIKE I SAID, THE CARRIAGE STYLE, WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY TO DO SOME HARDWARE AND TO REALLY DRESS UP THE GARAGE TO GIVE IT A DIFFERENT APPEARANCE. AND WE CAN WORK WITH STAFF ON THAT. WE JUST DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE TO DO A FULL CARRIAGE DOOR, WHICH IS A DIFFERENT STYLE OF DOOR, DIFFERENT CLASS OF DOOR. SO WE'RE NOT THAT FAR OFF. WE'RE 60% PLUS. LET'S JUST ADD IN 10% OF EACH. WE'RE SLIGHTLY WE'RE MAKING ADJUSTMENTS TO TWO OF THE FIVE BASICALLY. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER CORNELIUS. AND. OH. COME ON HERE IN A MOMENT. THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT. AS IT RELATES TO THE SIGNAGE, DO YOU HAVE A SIZE IN MIND? BECAUSE THE SIGNAGE FOR THE PARKS AT ROSE HILL, IT'S LIKE A LITTLE SQUATTY SIGN. THERE'S YOU TURN ON THACKERAY, BUT TRICON ACROSS THE WAY HAS THIS HUMONGOUS SIGN. SO I'M JUST WONDERING, HAVE YOU ALL THOUGHT ABOUT HOW BIG THAT SIGN WOULD BE IN COMPARISON TO THE SIGN THAT'S ALREADY THERE? AND IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE COMPETING? I MEAN, YOU'RE MOVING ONES, YOU KNOW, SIGNAGE OVER TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET, AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO PUT ANOTHER YOUR SIGN WHERE THE PARKS AT ROSE HILL SIGN IS.

YEAH. I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF YOU'RE JEALOUS OF THEIR SIGN OR YOU ACTUALLY HATE IT. I DON'T KNOW, I KNOW YOU LIVE THERE, SO IT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH. OKAY.

IT'S IT'S BIG. RIGHT. AND WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY SIGN THAT WOULD BE ABOVE WHAT, WHAT THE CODE ALLOWS. AND SO WE WOULD HAVE A VERY SCALED, APPROPRIATELY SCALED MONUMENT SIGN THAT WOULD BE FREESTANDING. OR I THINK THE CODE ALLOWS STAFF MAYBE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I THINK THE CODE ALLOWS YOU TO O PUT YOURIGN ON THE SCREENING WALL. SO YOU MAY SEE A SCREENING WALL AT THE ENTRANCE AND IT IT ANGLES IN, SO TO SAY, OUT OF THE VISIBILITY TRIANGLES. OKAY. SO IT WOULD BE ONE OR THE OTHER. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WOULD NEED IT FOR IT TO BE HUGE, BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE NATURE OF THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT LIKE YOU MIGHT HAVE WITH A COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE. OKAY. BUTF YOU ALL ALSO WANT TO DO A DIFFERENT STYLE SIGN FOR PARKS OR ROSE HILL, YOU KNOW, HAS TO BE REBUILT ANYWAY. SO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN WE CAN BE A PART OF THAT. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. I'M I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE POCKET PARK.

WE'VE HAD IN THAT AREA. YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT ARE JUST KIND OF ROAMING THE AREA AND THE, THE POCKET PARK BEING JUST SOMEWHERE THAT HOMELESS PEOPLE CAN SIT, STAY AND HANG OUT. I

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NOW WHETHER THAT GATE HAS HAS A KEY OR NOT, THAT'S REALLY I GUESS THAT'S UP TO THE TO THE HOA. BUT THE POINT WOULD BE FOR THAT POCKET AREA, THAT POCKET PARK TO BE APPROACHABLE. AND SO WE CAN EITHER JUST HAVE A GATED ENTRANCE OR, OR MAYBE JUST AN ENTRANCE THAT'S NOT GATED ONE ONE OR THE OTHER. OKAY. BUT AT LEAST THERE'S SOME DEMARCATION. SO THAT WAY IT'S NOT JUST AN OPEN FIELD WHERE YOU MAY HAVE HOMELESS THAT DECIDE JUST TO TO COME IN THERE. I MEAN, THERE'S SOME MAYBE SOME POLICING OF THAT. I MEAN, IT'S HARD TO KEEP. I MEAN, IT'S STILL GOING TO BE SOME POLICING. YOU CAN'T JUST DESIGN, YOU CAN ONLY DESIGN IT AS GOOD AS YOU CAN, I GUESS.

SURE. AND WHEN WOULD THE HOA BE IN PLACE? I MEAN, LIKE, AT WHAT POINT IN THE CONSTRUCTION AND COMPLETION WITH THE HOA B A B? THE CITY REQUIRES A DECLARATION, BASICALLY DOCUMENT THAT BASICALLY SAYS THAT THE THE HOA IS REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY, SO THE DEVELOPER WILL MAINTAIN IT. AND THEN AT SOME POINT WHEN THE DEVELOPMENT'S IN IS ACCEPTED BY THE CITY, PART OF THAT ACCEPTANCE IS THERE WILL HAVE TO BE A HOA, WILL HAVE TO BE ESTABLISHED, AND THEY'LL BE OFFICIALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT. SO BEFORE ANY HOMES ARE ARE OCCUPIED, THE HOA WILL BE MAINTAINING OR AT THAT TIME WILL BE MAINTAINING THE THERE WON'T BE ANY GAP, I GUESS. OKAY. THAT'S THE PART THAT I'M LOOKING FOR. AND TYPICALLY THOSE HOMES ARE CONTROLLED BY THE DEVELOPER UNTIL A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE 7,080%. AND THEN YEAH, A TRANSITION ISN'T JUST A CERTAIN ONE OR THE OTHER WOULD BE MAINTAINING IT AND RESPONSIBLE FOR IT DURING THE WHOLE PROCESS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER JENKINS. I'M SORRY.

REALLY QUICKLY, THE THE VISITOR PARKING, WILL THERE BE SIGNAGE THAT INDICATES SPECIFICALLY FOR VISITORS? I KNOW SOMETIMES COMMUNITIES MIGHT WITHOUT THAT PROPER SIGNAGE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT SPACE. JUST ONE CERTAIN IF YOU HAD A PLAN FOR IT. SECOND QUESTION. YOU'VE GOT A POCKET DOWN AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS IMAGE ALONG ZACHARY ROAD ON THE OPPOSITE OF RETAINING POND. WHAT WILL BE IN THAT SPACE, IF ANYTHING? AND IF YOU DO INTEND TO FILL IT, WOULD YOU USE PUT IT? COULD YOU PUT AN AMENITY THERE, SUCH AS LIKE A BASKETBALL COURT, A HYPOTHETICAL? AND THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. OKAY. YEAH. SO THE GUEST PARKING. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THOUGHT. I MEAN, IF, IF YOU FEEL LIKE THAT RESIDENTS THAT ARE LIVING IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO ARE JUST GOING TO USE IT AS A PARKING WE COULD POTENTIALLY THE CITY ALLOWS US, BUT THE CITY STREETS OR THE CITY ALLOWS THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY PUT GUEST PARKING OR SOME SORT OF SCIENCE THERE. I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD THAT WOULD BE OBJECTIONABLE. JUST SO THAT WAY IT'S NOT TOTALLY TAKEN UP BY BOB THAT LIVES IN RIGHT ADJACENT TO IT. MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND YOUR OTHER QUESTION. ARE YOU SAYING AT THE HARD CORNER OF ROSE HILL AND THACKERAY, THE SPACE WHERE THE SIGN IT THE SUBDIVISION SIGN IS? YEAH. AGAIN, NOT WITHOUT KNOWING HOW LARGE THAT SIGN IS. YEAH. YOU'D HAVE EXTRA SPACE THERE. YEAH. I MEAN, THAT AREA IS NOT I MEAN, IT'S CLOSE TO THE CORNER OF THE INTERSECTION. IT'S NOT REALLY A GOOD AMENITY SPACE. IT'S NOT VERY LARGE. THERE'S ALSO THERE'S ALSO SOME UTILITIES RIGHT NEXT TO THE SIGN. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WOULD IF IT'S A GOOD I DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD SPACE FOR AMENITY. SO OUR POCKET PARK THAT WE HAVE IS OUR MAIN AMENITY SPACE. THAT ONE I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WOULD BE AN OPTION. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? YES, COMMISSIONER DUCKWORTH. YEAH. WHAT IS IT? THE LEG HAS GOTTEN LONGER THIS WEEK. WE'VE GOT A NEW. THANK YOU. MAXWELL, THANKS FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT. THANK YOU. GOOD PROPOSAL. SHE TALKED ABOUT THE POCKET PARK. SO I THINK WE'VE TALKED THROUGH THAT. THE PROPOSED TREE PRESERVE, IS THAT GOING TO BE PROTECTED BY EXTERIOR FENCES THAT TIE IT TO THE DEVELOPMENT, OR WILL IT BE ACCESSIBLE FROM THE STREETS OR BY THE PUBLIC? IT WILL BE ACCESSIBLE. WE PLAN TO LEAVE IT AS NATURAL AS POSSIBLE. WE'LL HAVE TO CLEAR AS A CLEAR SPACE.

THERE'S PROBABLY ROOM, BUT HAVE AN AREA FOR THE SIGN. SUBDIVISION SIGN FOR PARKS ROSE

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OKAY. BUT GOING BACK TO OUR CONCERN, I JUST I JUST WANT THE NEIGHBORS TO BE CREATE A, AN ELEMENT WHERE PEOPLE CAN GO IN THERE AND SPEND THE NIGHT WITHOUT ANYBODY KNOWING THEY'RE THERE.O I KNOW CENTRAL PARK, WE HAD AN AREA FOR MANY, MANY YEARS THAT NOW THEY'VE CLEANED UP WHERE YOU CAN SEE OUT IN IT, YOU CAN SEE WHAT'S GOING ON. I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE THAT, BE KIND OF MANICURED SO YOU CAN SEE OUT IN IT, NOT NOT LET IT BECOME JUST A NATURAL AREA BECAUSE THAT TODAY IT'S THICK WOODED. I MEAN, YOU'D HAVE TO REALLY WORK YOURSELF THROUGH THERE, RIGHT? SO I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND WE DON'T WANT IT. SPRING CREEK PRESERVE, WE'VE GOT PEOPLE THAT GO OUT THERE AND LATE FALL AND WINTER AND BUILD A LITTLE SHACK UNTIL SOMEBODY. YEAH, YEAH. SO WE DON'T WANT THAT HAPPENING FOR THIS NICE NEW COMMUNITY.

UNDERSTOOD. I THINK THE I GUESS I'LL CALL THEM THE NATURAL CHARACTERISTICS OF THIS OF THAT AREA ARE NOT QUITE THE SAME TO WHERE YOU WOULD WANT TO. IT'S PRETTY THICK. MAYBE WE'LL HAVE A COUPLE OF NATURALISTS LIVE THERE AND MAYBE SO. THANK YOU. I'VE ONLY SEEN A FEW TV SHOWS.

I'M NOT A NATURALIST. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MR. FISHER? OF COURSE. I ALWAYS HAVE SOMETHING, BUT OVERALL, I THINK THIS FITS THE SCOPE OF THE PD AND WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND EVERYTHING. SO CONCEPT WISE, I'M THERE WITH YOU. I JUST HAVE A FEW AND SOMETHING FOR YOU TO THINK ABOUT. TALKING ABOUT ONE FOOT AND FIVE FOOT SIX FOOT SEPARATION. HOPEFULLY YOU'LL HAVE THE EASEMENT IN THERE. THE USE EASEMENT AND ACCESS EASEMENT JUST LIKE A ZERO LOT LINE TYPICALLY. AND THERE IS NO WAY TO GET 50% FRONT PORCH. SO THAT'S PRETTY MUCH A GIVEN IN TERMS OF HAVING A CARRIAGE STYLE GARAGES. I THINK WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING NICE, AND I WOULD EVEN BE LOOKING FOR A VARIETY. AND ON THE PICTURES YOU SHOWED, ONE OF THEM HAD WINDOWS IN IT. SO I WOULD THINK MAYBE EVEN A 33% OF THE DOORS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF WINDOWS FENESTRATION TO GIVE A DIFFERENT LOOK AS YOU'RE GOING DOWN THE STREET FOR THE GARAGE. THE GARAGE? YEAH. AND ON THE SETBACK, THE GARAGE, I KNOW PROBABLY CAN'T GET THE FIVE FOOT IN, BUT I THINK AT LEAST TWO FEET TO AT LEAST GET A SHADOW LINE SHADOW LINE OF THE PORCH OVER TO THE GARAGE. AND YEAH, TALKED ABOUT THE VARIETY AND IN TERMS OF THAT POCKET PART. YEAH. I'M GLAD YOU'RE DOING VISIBLE, MAKING IT VISIBLE JUST LIKE ANYTHING ELSE YOU GET KIDS, THEY WANT TO HIDE BEHIND A WALL AND, YOU KNOW, JUST NOT BE SEEN BY ANYBODY. SO IF THAT'S SURROUNDED WITH WROUGHT IRON AND LANDSCAPING, THAT'LL MAKE IT VISIBLE AND EASIER TO ENFORCE HOMELESSNESS.

SOMEBODY DRIVING BY. AND I'M ASSUMING THOSE ARE DRY PODS. YEAH. JUST FILL THEIR DETENTION POND SO THEY ONLY WET AFTER RAIN. I DIDN'T THINK YOU'D BE MAKING A WATER FEATURE OUT OF IT. YEAH, OKAY. I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE. ALRIGHTY. I HAVE ONE OTHER SPEAKER CARD. DAVID, OR. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. I'M DAVID AND I LIVE AT 5529 CAPILANO COURT, WHICH IS IN THE PARKS AT ROSE HILL NEIGHBORHOOD AND NEIGHBORHOOD, IS DIRECTLY SOUTH AND WEST OF THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. AND I ACTUALLY AM THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION BOARD PRESIDENT OF PARKS AND ROSE HILL. SO WHEN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD BECAME AWARE OF THIS PROJECT, WE WERE IMMEDIATELY CONCERNED ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE HSES, THE SIZE OF THE LOTS THAT WERE BEING PROPOSED. AS MR. FISHER MENTIONED, ON THACKERAY ROAD, THERE WERE INITIAL PROPOSALS WERE SIX HOMES THAT WOULD ABUT ADJACENT RIGHT NEXT TO OUR FIRST HOME AND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ON THACKERAY AND OUR HOMES. AS BEAUTIFUL AS THESE HOMES ARE PROJECTED TO BE, AND THE WONDERFUL BUILDER THAT WILL BUILD THESE HOMES ARE SIGNIFICANTLY SMALLER ON SMALLER LOTS THAN WHAT EXISTS THERE. NOW, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TYPICAL SMALLER HOME IS 2000FT■S AND UP. SOME SINGLE STORY, SOME TWO STORIES. OUR LOT SIZES ARE 45 FOOT WIDE. FOR THESE LOTS

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OH, I MISSED THAT. I APOLOGIZE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND THANK YOU FOR PRODING YOUR SUPPORT.

I DIDN'T SEE THAT POP UP MY EAR. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE NO OTHER SPEAKER CARDS ON THIS ITEM.

ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK ON IT? DID YOU WANT TO, MR. FISHER, BACK FOR YOUR QUESTION? OKAY. HE SAID HE DOESN'T NEED TO TALK TO YOU NOW. YEAH. THANK YOU. OKAY. SEEING NO OTHER SPEAKERS AS THE APPLICANT BACK. OH, SHOCKED. YEAH. SO WE HAD A CONVERSATION AND THEN THE BUILDER WOULD HAVE DIFFICULTY WITH THE TWO FEET ON THE OFFSET. IF WE COULD STICK WITH SIX INCHES, THAT'D BE PREFERABLE. SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING THE COMMISSION WOULD CONSIDER, THAT WOULD BE MUCH APPRECIATED. OKAY. WITH THIS BUILDER. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DUCKWORTH. YOU'RE NOT GETTING AWAY YET. COME ON BACK. WELL.

THE SYSTEM DOESN'T LIKE YOU. WHAT CAN I SAY? THANK YOU, SIR MAXWELL, WE TALKED ABOUT THE THE PORCH. WE DID. WE DID WE SOLVE THAT OR SETTLE THAT FOR YOU, OR IS THAT STILL SOMETHING WE NEED? DEFINE HOW WIDE THAT PORCH NEEDS TO BE OR COME UP WITH. I MEAN, IT'S DIFFICULT FOR ME TO TO PUT A NUMBER ON IT. I MEAN, I MEAN, I BET I HAVE A FEELING THE CHAIRMAN PROBABLY HAS A BETTER IDEA, GRASP ON WHAT THE NUMBER SHOULD BE THAN I DO. BUT WHEN I LOOK AT THAT, THE DOOR IS THREE FOOT WIDE. IS THAT CORRECT? IS THAT WHAT A TYPICAL DOOR IS WITH WITH WITH THE THE LOT? IT'S HARD TO PUT A NUMBER ON IT. YEAH. SO WHAT 35 30 FOOT LOTS PROBABLY. YEAH. SO 2020 FOUR FOOT WIDE HOUSE. WE'VE GOT 16 FOOT GARAGE DOOR ON EITHER SIDE. AND WE WENT TO A PERCENTAGE OF THE GARAGE DOOR WIDTHS. WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING. THAT WOULD BE I THINK IT'S A PERCENTAGE OF THE OVERALL WIDTH OF THE, THE THE FRONT, THE ELEVATION. I MEAN, I JUST WANT YOU TO I WANT YOU TO WALK AWAY HERE IN THE BUILDER WITH SOMETHING THAT, THAT YOU CAN GET A MINIMUM OF 10%. IT'S GOING TO BE MORE THAN THAT. BUT THAT WAY I FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH A PERCENTAGE. THE DOOR ITSELF IS OVER 10% IF YOU. RIGHT. SO IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE CLOSE. IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE LIKE 16%. YEAH. BUT I'D HATE TO PUT A PERCENTAGE ON RIGHT. IT'S WE HAVE TO HAVE A PORCH. WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A HALF A PORCH BECAUSE THAT WOULD LOOK WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE IT WOULDN'T STAND UP. IT'S GOT BASICALLY IT'S A COVERED AREA OVER THE YOU KNOW, I MEAN IT LOOKS VERY NICE FROM YOUR PICTURES. I JUST WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT. WE'RE GOING TO DO WHAT WE'RE SHOWING ON THERE. SO THERE'S A WAY TO ARTICULATE THAT WE IF WE CONSIDER IT. TO. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE JUST CONSULTING NOTHING MAJOR OKAY.

ALL RIGHTY. I THINK THAT'S IT. THANK YOU SIR I HAVE NO OTHER SPEAKER CARDS. I'LL K ONE MORE TIME. ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE SEEING NONE. COMMISSIONERS. MOTION DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER JENKINS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. BRIEFLY. YOU KNOW, CLEARLY,

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ALRIGHTY. WELL, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, CARRIAGE DOORS IN A TRADITIONAL SENSE ARE EXPENSIVE. THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THE THICK WOODEN DOORS. YOU CAN GET THE LOOK ON A METAL DOOR THAT ISN'T QUITE THE SAME. AND THAT'S WHERE I WAS THINKING VARIETY. IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURES UP THERE, NOW, YOU SEE TWO DON'T HAVE WINDOWS. ONE WITH WINDOWS KIND OF BREAKS IT UP A LITTLE BIT. SO IF WE HAD VARIETY ALONG THE STREET, THAT MAY HELP. AND IT MAY BE THE CASE THAT WE ASK THE APPLICANT TO WORK WITH STAFF BEFORE IT GETS TO COUNCIL TO REFINE THE GARAGE DOORS, AND THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE DOORS OR WINDOWS. TO GO AHEAD. SO THIS COMMISSION WOULD LIKE SOME MORE SPECIFICS IN THE RECOMMENDATION. IT COULD BE WHAT THE CHAIR SAID, 33% WITH WINDOWS AND THEN 33% WITH THE STYLE OF CARRIAGE DOOR, BUT NOT IN A TRADITIONAL SENSE. AND WE CAN FLESH THAT OUT IN THE CONDITION LANGUAGE. BUT I'VE HEARD THAT THE APPLICANT KIND OF SORT OF AGREED THAT IT THEY'RE OKAY WITH THE STYLE. IT'S NOT THE TRADITIONAL SENSE OF HAIR CARE STYLE CARRIAGE DOOR WOULD NOT WORK. SO I THINK 33% WINDOWS TO 33% OF CARRIAGE DOOR, AND THE REST 33 COULD BE LEFT UP TO THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE. IT COULD BE REGULAR, COULD BE SOME OTHER COLOR. I THINK THAT MAY DIVIDE UP THE MONOTONY SOME. WAS THERE TO DOES. DOES THE CITY HAVE A RECOMMENDATION REGARDING THE LIGHTING ELEMENTS? I KNOW THAT WAS A SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATION THAT THE SPECIFIC ALTERATION OF PEOPLE THAT THE IN THIS CONTEXT, IT COULD BE IT COULD BE AN EMBELLISHMENT ON THE GARAGE. SORRY COMMISSIONER ABLE. I DO FEEL LIKE THAT LEGS GOTTEN LONGER. YES. OH LAST MEETING IT WAS IT WAS SPOT ON. I GUESS MY ONLY CONCERN, AND THIS IS JUST BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE PEOPLE SEEING WHAT'S IN MY GARAGE.

THERE'S OTHER WAYS TO MAKE A GARAGE DOOR DECORATIVE THAN REQUIRING WINDOWS. THIS IF YOU HAVE TOOLS, IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING HANGING, THAT'S GOING TO BE VISIBLE. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU CAN FROST THE WINDOWS, YOU CAN DO ANY NUMBER OF THINGS, BUT THAT'S AN ADDED EXPENSE.

AND IF SOMEBODY COMES IN LATER AND DECIDES TO REPLACE THIS GARAGE DOOR, ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GO BACK AND SAY, NOPE, YOU HAD NO WINDOWS, SO YOU KNOW IT. I UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO THERE, BUT I REALLY THINK THAT THAT'S AN UNDUE BURDEN ON THEM WHENEVER WE COULD. I MEAN, I'VE SEEN PRETTY GARAGE DOORS IN MY LINE OF WORK. THERE'S METAL DOORS THAT LOOK WOOD. SO, YOU KNOW, I IF IT WAS A DECORATIVE GARAGE DOOR, I WOULD BE BETTER WITH THAT THAN REQUIRING WINDOWS. BUT THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHTS. YEAH, THAT CAN PROBABLY BE DONE.

AND I WILL REMIND COMMISSIONER, I DON'T THINK YOU NEED REMINDING, BUT WE CANNOT DICTATE WHETHER THE WOOD OR METAL. BUT THERE'S I'M JUST SAYING THERE'S PLENTY OF OPTIONS OUT THERE FOR WHATEVER DOOR THEY USE VERSUS PUTTING WINDOWS IN IT THAT EITHER GET BROKEN OR REPLACED. AND THEN WE HAVE ZERO ENFORCEABILITY DOWN THE ROAD. I THINK STAFF'S GOT A PRETTY GOOD HANDLE ON THE INTENT. AND AND THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT YOU COULD DO WITH A COLOR AS WELL. BUT AGAIN, TO YOUR POINT EXACTLY, IF SOMEONE CHANGES IT LATER IN THE LIFESPAN OF THE HOUSE, THEN THERE'S NOT MUCH ENFORCING THAT COULD BE DONE. BUT NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE, UNLESS THE DOOR IS DAMAGED, WOULD CHANGE IT IN THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. SO I THINK IF THE COMMISSION WANTS TO KEEP IT A LITTLE GENERAL IN TERMS OF ADDING DECORATIVE

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WE MAY NEED TO BE MORE SPECIFIC, BECAUSE STAFF ALSO IS TALKING ABOUT THE WIDTH OF THE PORCHES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IN THEIR REPORT. I STILL AGREE WITH THAT. THERE'S SOME CLARIFICATION IN THAT. I THINK ON THE COVERED PORCH, A CASE HAS BEEN MADE THAT THE 50% ON THE PD WILL NOT WORK. SO I THINK IF THE COMMISSION SO WISHES, WE CAN WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO SET A PERCENTAGE. LIKE E EMMA SAI DURING HER PRESENTATION, AND WE CAN WORK WITH THEM TO SEE LIKE GET AN ESTIMATE OF WHAT IT COULD BE AND PUT THAT PERCENTAGE IN THE PD LANGUAGE, IF THAT'S WHAT. FOR THE COVERED PORCH AREA, CORRECT? YES, I AGREE WITH THAT. OKAY. STAFF WAS ALSO RECOMMENDING A DEEPER OFFSET. APPLICANT WANTS SIX INCHES. IS THERE ANYTHING YOUR MOTION. MY OH OKAY OKAY. GOT IT OKAY I DIDN'T SEE THAT OKAY. SO I'D LIKE FOR THE MOTION TO. BE TO APPROVE WITH THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE WORK WITH STAFF ON THE COVERED PORCH AND GARAGE DOOR DEVIATIONS. OKAY. YES. GOT IT. OKAY. SO. OKAY, THE MOTION IS TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH THE CONSIDERATION THAT THEY WORK ON THE GARAGE DOORS AND ENTRY PORCHES WITH STAFF BEFORE IT GETS TO COUNCIL. WE'LL ACTUALLY HAVE A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER DALTON WHO USED THE BUTTON. SO A MOTION THE MOTION IS BY COMMISSIONER CORNELIUS. AND THE SECOND IS BY COMMISSIONER DALTON. IS THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION ON COMMISSIONER JENKINS? THANK YOU TO THE MAKER. DOES THE MOTION INCLUDE. SO STAFF WAS MAKING RECOMMENDATION THAT THERE WOULD BE FIVE DESIGN ELEMENTS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH PD. I KNOW WE'RE GIVING LEEWAY TO STAFF AND THE APPLICANT ON TWO OF THE FIVE, BUT WE STILL REQUIRING THE APPLICANT TO DO THE REMAINING THREE PER THEIR RECOMMENDATION.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YES. OKAY. SO THE THE DEVELOPER'S RECOMMENDATION ON THE THREE IS SOUND. AND WE'RE MAKING WE'RE SAYING FOR THOSE TWO OKAY. GOTCHA. THANK YOU. YEAH SHE'S CHECKING ON THAT NOW. BUILDING DESIGN. THE. YEAH THE THE PD REQUIRES A A GENERIC FIVE DESIGN ELEMENTS SELECTED FROM THE PD FROM 14 WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT REQUEST IS FOR FIVE PARTICULAR ONES, ONE BEING A GARAGE DOOR. WE'VE ADDRESSED THAT THE COVERED FRONT PORCH.

AND THAT IS THE OFFSET. AND AGAIN THAT'S SOMETHING WE ADDRESSED BY AGAIN FORWARDING IT TO STAFF. AND THEN DISTINCTIVE LIGHTING AND THEN DIVIDED LIGHT WINDOWS AND AND A COMPARABLE ELEMENT THAT IS NOT LISTED IN SUBJECT TO APPROVAL. SO THEY'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH STAFF TO GET. THIS SUMMER. IS THAT OKAY FOR YOU? OKAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHTY.

YES. ON THE ON THE DESIGN ELEMENTS. AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE LEFT IT. SO TO

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[c. Z 25-37 Mission Ridge Consultants (District 7)]

THIS SITE IS LOCATED AT 12 801 BELTLINE ROAD, AND THIS ITEM WAS POSTPONED FROM OUR PREVIOUS MEETING. COMMISSIONERS. THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A PD AMENDMENT TO ALLOW A WAREHOUSE, A WAREHOUSE, OFFICE SHOWROOM USE BY SCP, ALLOW COMMUNITY RETAIL USES AND OTHER PROVISIONS AND APPROVE FOR THE CONCEPT PLAN FOR A WAREHOUSE OFFICE SHOWROOM USE ON THE PROPERTY. THE PROPERTY IS ADDRESSED AS 2801 BELTLINE ROAD, AND IT'S ABOUT 1.45 ACRES IN SIZE, AND IT DOES HAVE A PD FOR ZERO FIVE PD ZERO 536 FOR VARIATION OF USES, AND THIS IS THE LOCATION OF THE SITE IT IS ACCESS TO. THE SITE IS OFF OF BELTLINE ROAD. THE ORIGINAL PD DID ALLOW FOR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USE FOR WITH VIA SEP FOR 20 YEARS AND IT EXPIRED THIS YEAR. THE PREVIOUS USE WAS FOR A GRANITE WAREHOUSE USE, SO THAT WOULD BE CATEGORIZED AS A MANUFACTURING LIGHT MANUFACTURING USE. BUT THE APPLICANT IS NOT REQUESTING TO HAVE THAT MANUFACTURING COMPONENT. THEY'RE JUST REQUESTING THE OFFICE SHOWROOM WAREHOUSE. SO IT WOULD BE A LESS INTENSIVE FROM WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY USED ON THE SITE. SO NOT INCLUDING THE MANUFACTURING ASPECT HERE. THE OFFICE SHOWROOM, WAREHOUSE. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IDENTIFIES THIS AREA AS COMPACT NEIGHBORHOODS. COMPACT NEIGHBORHOODS PROVIDE AREAS FOR MODERATE INCREASES IN RESIDENTIAL DENSITY, INCLUDING SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED AND SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOUSING. IT EXPANDS HOUSING OPTIONS THROUGH INFILL AND REDEVELOPMENT WHILE CONTINUING WALKABLE DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS. THESE AREAS PROVIDE TRANSITIONS BETWEEN TRADITIONAL RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS AND HIGHER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS AND NONRESIDENAL DEVELOPMENTS. THESE AREAS ACCOMMODATE USES SUCH AS CONVENIENCE, RETAIL GOODS AND SERVICES, OFFICE SPACE, AND PUBLIC SERVICES. THE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER AND SCALE OF THESE AREAS ARE COMPATIBLE WITH ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. THESE ARE PHOTOS OF THE SITE. THE EXISTING BUILDING. THIS IS A PHOTO OF THE DRIVEWAY TO BELTLINE ROAD. AND THIS IS THE SITE PLAN. IT'S DEVELOPED AS IS PART OF THE PD CONDITIONS. IS THAT THE OFFICE SHOWROOM WAREHOUSE USE BE PERMITTED? VIA SUP FOR TEN YEARS? WE DO NOT HAVE A SPECIFIC RECOMMEND RECOMMENDED TIMELINE PERIOD, BUT STAFF RECOMMENDS A PERIOD OF 5 TO 10 YEARS AS THE BUILDING IS ALREADY EXISTING AND THERE'S NO PROPOSED MAJOR PROPOSED INFRASTRUCTURE CHANGES. SO THIS IS A SITE AND THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING FOR THE PARKING TO REMAIN AS IS. WE DID LOOK AT THE PARKING AND THERE'S SUFFICIENT PARKING FOR THE PROPOSED USE AND FOR THE LANDSCAPING. THERE'S ALREADY LANDSCAPE BUFFER OFF OF BELTLINE AND ON THE NORTH ON THE EAST SIDE. SO THE APPLICANT IS ALSO REQUESTING FOR THE DEFINITION FOR OFFICE SHOWROOM, WAREHOUSE CHANGE. IT'S GOING TO BE THE DEFINITION IS GOING TO BE MAINLY FOCUSED ON THE OFFICE CUSTOMER SERVICE COMPONENT AT THE FRONT, SHOWROOM AT THE FRONT, AND A SMALLER ACCESSORY WAREHOUSE PORTION AT THE REAR.

SO THAT'S HOW THE DEFINITION IS ALSO TAILORED. THEY'LL BE USING THE EXISTING BUILDING FOOTPRINT AS IS, AND THE PARKING AND LANDSCAPING WILL ALSO REMAIN AS IS. STAFF DOES RECOMMEND

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COMMISSIONERS. JUST SO YOU KNOW, THEY WEREN'T HERE BECAUSE WE NORMALLY, AS APPLICANTS, DON'T EXPECT TO HAVE A DATE EARLIER THAN WHAT WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS SCHEDULED. AND SO THEY DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS LAST WEEK, LAST TWO WEEKS AGO. ANY QUESTIONS HERE? I SEE NONE. THANK YOU.

AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE SCOTT THIBODEAU. THIBODEAU I'M BAD ON NAMES. SORRY IT'S OKAY SCOTT THIBODEAU THANKS. IT LOOKS FRENCH. VERY CAJUN ACTUALLY. CAJUN. YEAH THERE'S KIND OF TOTALLY FRENCH FRENCH. YEAH ONE ONE STEP REMOVED. THAT'S RIGHT THAT'S RIGHT YES SIR. YES. GUY THIBODEAU OF MISSION RIDGE CONSULTANTS, P.O. BOX 260203, PLANO, TEXAS, REPRESENTING PHOENIX ARCHITECTURAL HARDWARE GROUP. PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT THIS ONE. WE THINK THIS IS A GREAT REUSE OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. STAFF ALWAYS DOES A GREAT JOB EXPLAINING THE SITE, SO I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD OTHER THAN MAYBE TAKE A LOOK AT THE AERIAL SO YOU CAN GET A BETTER IDEA OF THE SURROUNDING USES THAT WE HAVE EXTRA SPACE STORAGE, SOME COMMERCIAL OFFICE TO THE TO THE EAST AND ISLAMIC SCHOOL TO THE NORTHEAST. SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS A OFFICE SHOWROOM. WAREHOUSE STAFF SAID 30% OFFICE, 70% WAREHOUSE. REALLY, THE SHOWROOM COMPONENT ISN'T GOING TO BE REALLY UTILIZED ALL THAT MUCH. IF YOU WILL LOOK AT THE MATERIALS THAT PA HARDWARE DOES AND YOU KNOW, YOU'D BE EXPECTING A PERSON DRIVING BY SAYING, OH, I DO COMMERCIAL HARDWARE, LET ME JUST PULL IN REAL QUICK. THAT'S NOT REALLY HOW IT WORKS. IF THEY HAVE FOLKS COMING IN TO DO A CONSULTATION, YOU KNOW, BEFORE THEY DO A BIG ORDER TO GET COMFORTABLE WITH THE BUSINESS AND BE A REGULAR USER, THEN THEY WILL COME IN. BUT THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT REALLY IS GOING TO ATTRACT PEOPLE FROM THE STREET HEAVILY. OOPS. AND THIS IS REALLY WHAT THEY DO. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE TRUSTED INDUSTRY PARTNER. REALLY I'M EXCITED TO S THIS KIND OF THING BECAUSE WHAT I THINK ABOUT IS THE END STAGE OF AN INTERIOR FINISH OUT. SO THESE ARE THE MATERIALS THAT YOU SEE ONCE YOU TURN OVER A COMMERCIAL SPACE. SO WHAT THIS MEANS TO ME IS THAT A COMPANY IS COMING IN TO DO GROWTH FOR DEVELOPMENT PURPOSES. SO IT'S REALLY EXCITING TO COME IN AND SEE THIS TYPE OF GROWTH, ESPECIALLY INTO GARLAND. SO PUBLIC OUTREACH AS WE ALWAYS DO. SO FIRST WE MET WITH COUNCIL MEMBER THOMAS AND HE REALLY STARTED OFF THE CONVERSATION JUST SAYING HE FELT LIKE THIS WAS A GOOD FIT. HE TOOK THE TIME, WHICH WE APPRECIATED, TO LOOK AT THE COMPANY AND THINK ABOUT WHAT'S COMING IN, HOW THE SITE IS BEING REUSED. SO WE HAD A REALLY GOOD CONVERSATION. HE REALLY HAD JUST SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT KIND OF THE ACTIVITY OF THE SITE FROM A DISTRIBUTION AND TRAFFIC. AGAIN, WE'RE NOT REALLY EXPECTING HIGH CUSTOMER TRAFFIC IN AND OUT TO TO A REALLY HIGH DEGREE. AND THE DISTRIBUTION DISTRIBUTION IS REALLY JUST A COUPLE OF LARGE SHIPMENTS A MONTH. AND REALLY IT'S JUST SHIPPING OUT WOULD MEAN JUST REGULAR FEDEX UPS TYPE DELIVERIES, THAT KIND OF THING THROUGHOUT THE WEEK. SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING WHERE AN 18 WHEELER IS GOING TO BE COMING IN ALL THE TIME, CERTAINLY IS NOT GOING TO BE STAGED AND STAYING THERE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. AND OF COURSE, WE WE DELIVERED LETTERS TO THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD AND ALSO OUR COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORS.

WE DID HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH A COUPLE OF THOSE IN AGAINST, AND I THINK THERE WAS ACTUALLY A MISUNDERSTANDING ABOUT WHAT THE USE WAS. AND SO FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THEY'RE NOT EXACTLY IN OPPOSITION AT THIS TIME. SO WHEN I LOOKED AT THE THE PACKET THAT STAFF PUT OUT ON FRIDAY, I WAS REALLY HAPPY TO SEE WE WERE REALLY LOOKING AT THE SAME AREAS OF THE COMP PLAN. AND YOU KNOW, WE KNOW GARLAND IS A DESTINATION FOR NEW BUSINESS AND THERE'S A LOT OF EXISTING INVENTORY THAT IS REALLY PRIMED FOR ADAPTIVE REUSE. AND WE FEEL LIKE THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE. WE REALLY SEE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO FROM AN ECONOMIC LENS. YOU KNOW, YOU THINK ABOUT THE SITE, YOU SAW THE AERIAL. IT'S VERY LONG AND NARROW, WHICH ACTUALLY IS A REDEVELOPMENT OR IT'S A DEVELOPER'S NIGHTMARE TO TRY TO FIT SOMETHING IN THAT'S VERY NARROW AND LONG. SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT COULD YOU DO FROM A FUTURE OUT USE OR FROM A FUTURE LAND USE PERSPECTIVE? YOU KNOW, OTHER THAN WHAT'S KIND OF THERE AND ADAPTING THE EXISTING BUILDING THAT'S ALREADY THERE AND IN REALLY GOOD CONDITION. YOU KNOW, WE'RE SUPPORTING THE

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AGAIN, JUST REALLY HIGHLIGHTING THE REINVESTMENT OF THE EXISTING SITE. WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE HITTING THAT. AND TO AVOID THE DECLINE IN RESOURCES AND TAX BASE AND SERVICES, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ANY QUESTIONS. ACTUALLY, I'LL JUST RELAY ONE THAT CAME AT THE LAST MEETING. I THINK ONE OF YOUR NEIGHBORS TO THE VERY BACK AND OFF TO THE RIGHT OR NORTH, WAS WONDERING AT ONE TIME THAT WASN'T FENCED IN, AND THEY HAD ACCESS THROUGH THERE. HE'S NOT WONDERING WONDERING ABOUT IT NOW, BUT YOU WOULD BE STILL HONORING THAT ACCESS EASEMENT IF THEY REQUESTED. OH, ABSOLUTELY. WE HAVE TO BY LAW.

THAT'S WHAT I TOLD HIM WAS AN ACCESS EASEMENT. YES. JUST WANTED TO VERIFY THAT. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. SEE? NO OTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. I HAVE NO OTHER SPEAKER CARDS ON THIS ITEM. ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO ADDRESS THIS CASE? COMMISSIONER JENKINS, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT? NOPE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I'M SORRY. YOU'RE TIRED OF HEARING FROM ME, NOT FROM THE APPLICANT. THIS IS ACTUALLY A QUESTION FOR STAFF. THERE'S A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE DEFINITION OF WHAT WE CONSIDER TO BE AN OFFICE WAREHOUSE USE. I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND THAT, AND I'M PARTICULARLY OPPOSED TO THAT IDEA BECAUSE THE DEFINITIONS AND THE ORDINANCES ARE PART OF THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS THAT THE CITY DOES. AND SO YOU'D BE GRANTING A SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO AN INDIVIDUAL THAT COMPETES WITH, YOU KNOW, THE ESTABLISHED ORDER OF THINGS. I JUST WANT TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF THAT. YEAH. SO THE DEFINITION OF WAREHOUSE OFFICE SHOWROOM IN OUR GDC IS AN ESTABLISHMENT WITH AT LEAST 25% OF ITS TOTAL FLOOR AREA DEVOTED TO OFFICE AND SHOWROOM SPACE. AND THAT IS AN ESTABLISHMENT WHERE A MAXIMUM OF 75% OF THE TOTAL FLOOR AREA IS DEVOTED TO STORAGE AND WAREHOUSING. SO THE IDEA, AS YOU CAN SEE, IS TO MAKE SURE A MINIMUM OF 25% IS DEDICATED TO OFFICE, SO THAT WE'RE NOT DEDICATING AN ENTIRETY OF A BUILDING FOR WAREHOUSE TYPE USES. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE INTENT OF THAT DEFINITION AND LOOK AT WHAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING, WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO HAVE THEIR DEFINITION, IT'S ACTUALLY MORE STRINGENT. THEY'RE HAVING 30% DEDICATED AS OFFICE AS OPPOSED TO 25%. THAT'S OUR MINIMUM REQUIREMENT. SO IN A WAY, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN WHAT OUR CODE REQUIRES IS BEING DEDICATED TO OFFICE SPACE IN GENERAL. SO IN THAT INTENT, IT'S DOING A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN MINIMUM OF WHAT THE CODE REQUIRES. IF THE COMMISSION CHOOSES TO, YOUR RECOMMENDATION COULD BE TAKING OUT THAT DEFINITION. THEN THEY'LL JUST FALL UNDER THE REGULAR GDC DEFINITION, AND THE 25% WILL APPLY INSTEAD OF 30%. RIGHT. THANK YOU. IT WAS YOUR IT WAS THE USE OF THE WORD MINIMUM THERE. THAT KIND OF THREW ME FOR A LOOP. AND I GUESS THAT IN TERMS OF ENFORCEABILITY, WE WOULD NOT REALLY KNOW WOULD WE. WE WOULD WITH THE BECAUSE THEY'LL HAVE TO GO THROUGH A COMMERCIAL, FINISH OUT BUILDING PERMIT, FINISH OUT AND IN THEIR IN THEIR FLOOR PLAN THEY'LL HAVE TO SHOW AND WE WE PLANNING DOES ALL THE BUILDING PERMITS ARE SUBMITTED TO THE BUILDING INSPECTION DEPARTMENT. PLANNING DOES A REVIEW OF THOSE COMPONENTS TO MAKE SURE THE ZONING ASPECTS ARE BEING MET. THANK YOU MA'AM. SO IN ESSENCE, THAT WOULD BE A CONDITION OF 30% VERSUS 25%. THE DEFINITION DOESN'T CHANGE. IT'S JUST AN ADDITIONAL CONDITION FOR THE S U P. OKAY. I'M SORRY. CAN YOU MAKE YOUR POINT AGAIN. SO WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE DEFINITION. WE'RE CONDITIONING THE S P ON AN ADDITIONAL PERCENTAGE INCREASE. I LOOK AT IT AS JUST A CONDITION OF WRITING TO THE SDP. OKAY. THANK YOU. READY?

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MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE EXCLUSION OF THE DEFINITION, CONDITIONING THE SDP TO FIT THE RECOMMENDED RECOMMENDED USE AND DEFINITION THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING WITHOUT ACTUALLY CHANGING THE DEFINITION OF. OFFICE. SHERIFF WAS A LOT. GOT IT. THANK YOU. DO I HEAR A SECOND? MOTION BY COMMISSIONER JENKINS AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ABEL TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH THE CONDITION AND FOR A PERIOD OF TEN YEARS, CORRECT? YES.

CORRECT. WITH THE ADDITIONAL CONDITION THAT THE OFFICE USED TO BE 30%. EVERYBODY U UNDERSTAN ANY DISCUSSION? PREPARE TO VOTE.

IN HERE. I'M JUST GOING TO SAY THIS IS WORKING FASTER THAN THE MIX UP. WELL, I DIDN'T SAY IT.

[a. Amendments to multifamily and mixed use standards]

JUST MAKING SURE THERE IT'S NOT AN ACTION ITEM WE GOT AFTER PUBLISHING THE AGENDA. WE GOT SEVERAL CALLS FROM PEOPLE KIND OF THINKING THAT THERE'S AN ACTION ITEM ABOUT THIS ITEM AND.

OH NO. IT SAYS MISCELLANEOUS. YEAH, IT'S THE TOP ONE. SO THIS IS WE'RE PLANNING TO PUT THIS ON PLANNING COMMISSION'S AGENDA ON NOVEMBER 24TH, BUT WE WANTED TO GIVE AN UPDATE AT THIS POINT IN THIS MEETING. SO THAT PLAN, START THINKING ABOUT IT. AND YOU'RE NOT CAUGHT OFF GUARD WHEN WE SEND OUT THE AGENDA PACKET AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. SO AS YOU ALL ARE AWARE, AS WHAT SB 840 DOES AND WHAT THE BASICS OF IT, WE HAD KIND OF GONE OVER THAT IN ONE OF THE PREVIOUS MEETINGS, AND WE HAD SAID THAT WE'RE WORKING ON SOME AMENDMENTS THAT I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WHATEVER'S IN SB 840, WE ACCEPT THAT, BUT KIND OF ADDING SOME THINGS IN OUR ORDINANCE AND OUR MULTIFAMILY STANDARDS, WHEREAS WE CAN STRENGTHEN THE PROJECTS THAT WE ARE GETTING THROUGH THE BILL AND ACROSS THE BOARD FOR MULTIFAMILY. SO WE HAD PRESENTED THIS TO THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES COMMITTEE AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES COMMITTEE HAS REPORTED IT OUT TO THE CITY COUNCIL ALREADY. SO THE NEXT STEP IS PLANNING COMMISSION TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON THOSE. SO THAT ITEM WILL BE ON NOVEMBER 24TH. I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU ALL A HEADS UP ON WHAT WHAT ALL THAT WE'RE LOOKING INTO. FIRST OF ALL, AS YOU ARE AWARE, SB 840 PUTS A LIMITATION ON WHAT THE CITY CAN ALLOW IN TERMS OF MAXIMUM HEIGHT FOR MULTIFAMILY. SO THE CITY CANNOT REQUIRE THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT TO BE LESS THAN 45. IT'S KIND OF AN URBAN APPROACH TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ACCOMMODATING FOR THE ADDITIONAL HOUSING NEEDS THAT'S COMING TO THE STATE, SO ON AND SO FORTH. WE WELCOME THAT. SO WE'RE PROPOSING THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT REQUIREMENT BE INCREASED TO 60FT. BUT WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING A MINIMUM HEIGHT REQUIREMENT TO BE INCLUDED. THAT IS 40FT. THAT CAN ENSURE WE'RE HAVING MORE THREE AND FOUR STORY APARTMENT BUILDINGS RATHER THAN HAVING TWO STORY GARDEN STYLE APARTMENT, WHICH MAY NOT DO MUCH FOR THE DENSITY THAT THE CITY NEEDS IN THAT TYPE OF TYPE OF HOUSING AND STYLE THAT WE NEED FROM THE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS. IN TERMS OF THE SITE DESIGN, WE WANT THE PARKING TO BE PLACED IN THE BACK OF THE BUILDING AND PULLED THE BUILDINGS CLOSER TO THE STREETS, JUST TO ENSURE A LITTLE BIT MORE URBAN FEELING.

AGAIN, KEEP IN MIND THIS BILL IS A VERY URBAN BILL. THIS TRIES TO ACHIEVE A LOT OF URBAN ELEMENTS, SO WE WANT TO KIND OF ADDRESS IT WITH AND RECIPROCATE IT WITH URBAN STANDARDS AS WELL.

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ONE THING THAT WE SEE ON A DAY TO DAY BASIS CURRENTLY A SWIMMING POOL IS REQUIRED. 800 SQUARE FOOT SWIMMING POOL IS REQUIRED FOR EVERY 250 UNITS OF MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT. AGAIN, SOME OF THE URBAN STYLE DEVELOPMENTS MAY NOT NEED THAT SWIMMING POOL, BUT THEY'RE WILLING TO DO SOME OTHER AMENITIES. SO WHAT WE HAVE DEVELOPED IS A ROBUST AMENITIES LIST. IT HAS 1215 DIFFERENT TYPES OF AMENITIES, AND WE HAVE ASSIGNED POINTS BASED ON THE IMPACT OF THOSE DEVELOPMENT. BUT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS PRECISE OF THE DEVELOPMENT. AS LONG AS YOU GET TO IF YOU'RE A 250 UNIT MULTIFAMILY PROJECT, YOU HAVE TO GET TO A CERTAIN POINT, LET'S SAY 250 POINTS, AND YOU CAN ACHIEVE IT WITH MULTIPLE DIFFERENT TYPE OF AMENITIES FROM THE AMENITIES LIST. THAT WAY, THE DEVELOPER HAS THE FLEXIBILITY AND NOT STUCK WITH ONE TYPE OF AMENITY THAT THE RESIDENTS MAY OR MAY NOT USE. SO ALL OF THOSE ARE GOING TO BE IN FRONT OF YOU ON NOVEMBER 24TH. THAT'S THE PLAN. SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WE ARE ALSO PLANNING TO BRING IN FRONT OF YOU IS AGAIN, SB 840 SPECIFICALLY SAYS ANYWHERE COMMERCIAL COULD GO MULTIFAMILY AND MIXED USE NEED TO BE ABLE TO GO. WE WANT TO KIND OF LOOK AT IT IN A MORE HOLISTIC WAY, AND WE ARE ALSO PROPOSING THAT MULTIFAMILY IS BEING PERMITTED.

WE PERMIT TOWNHOMES AS WELL, JUST TO JUST TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT HARDER FOR A DEVELOPER TO DO A MULTI, TO DO A TOWNHOME PROJECT THAN IT IS FOR THEM TO DO A MULTIFAMILY PROJECT, BECAUSE IN THIS SCENARIO, THEY CAN COME IN AND APPLY, LIKE JUST APPLY FOR A SITE PERMIT FOR A MULTIFAMILY PROJECT. BUT IF THE SITE IS ZONED CR, THEY STILL NEED TO GO THROUGH ZONING TO DO TOWNHOME PROJECTS. SO IF WE DO WANT TO ENCOURAGE A DIFFERENT VARIETY OF HOUSING IN GARLAND, IN OUR OPINION IT'S GOOD TO HAVE THAT BALANCE WHERE TOWNHOME IS ALSO A PERMITTED USE IN THOSE DISTRICTS. SOME OTHER KIND OF HOUSEKEEPING TYPE THINGS. OBVIOUSLY, PEOPLE ARE USED TO GETTING THEIR NOTIFICATION LETTERS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH ASSOCIATED WITH THE ZONING CASES WHEN THERE IS MULTIFAMILY GOING NEXT DOOR, WHEN THEY THOUGHT IT'S COMMERCIALLY ZONED PROJECTS, BUT NOW THERE WON'T BE ZONING, SO THEY WON'T BE GETTING THOSE LETTERS JUST TO MAKE SURE WE ARE A LITTLE BIT OF WE'RE TAKING SOME PROACTIVE APPROACH IN THOSE THINGS. WE'RE REQUIRING THAT THE APPLICANT GOING TO PUT SOME CONSTRUCTION SIGNAGE ON THE SITE AND WHICH WILL SAY THIS SITE IS BEING DEVELOPED WITH MULTIFAMILY PROJECT PER SENATE BILL 840. THAT WAY WE WE WILL STILL GET THE CALLS, BUT IT'S EASIER TO EXPLAIN THAT IT'S PER THE STATE'S BILL AND NOT JUST THE CITY'S LACK OF SENDING NOTICES.

THE LAST THING WE WANTED TO DO, WE ALSO WANTED TO MAKE SURE WITH THE ALL THESE ADDED DENSITY THAT THIS BILL CAN, CAN CAUSE OUR UTILITIES, OUR WATER, WASTEWATER, OUR INFRASTRUCTURE CAN SUPPORT THOSE DEVELOPMENTS. SO RIGHT NOW, OUR DEFINITION OF DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT INCLUDE

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AND A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH REGARDS TO SENATE BILL 840 IS, WELL, WHAT'S OLD IS NEW AND WHAT'S NEW IS OLD. THERE USED TO BE A CONCEPT CALLED CUMULATIVE ZONING, WHICH IF YOU HAD A ZONING SAY IT'S COMMERCIAL. ANYTHING LESSER THAN THAT, ANY RESIDENTIAL IS CONSIDERED LESSER THAN THAT COULD GO IN THERE BY. RIGHT. AND SO IT JUST BUILT UP ANY, ANY HEAVY USE. ANYTHING LESSER COULD GO IN BY. RIGHT. AND THAT'S IN ESSENCE WHAT THE STATE HAS DONE WITH DEPARTMENTS AND STAFF IS LOOKING AT ADDING TOWNHOMES.

AND IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION OR ANY THOUGHT ABOUT TAKING IT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN THOSE AREAS? NO, SIR. OKAY. I MAY BRING IT UP THEN. I THINK I JUST DID AND YEAH, LOOK FORWARD TO IT. THANK YOU. OKAY. THAT WAS ITEM 3A0 OKAY. YEAH. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER JENKINS I DID HAVE ONE COMMENT. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S ALREADY A CONVERSATION REGARDING THE INCREASED LOAD TO THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE THAT THE CITY HAS. I KNOW THAT WE ACROSS E BOARD HAVE A HAVE HAVE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF OLDER MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING. MY ONLY CONCERN WOULD BE THAT WE MAKE CERTAIN TO HAVE A ROBUST ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM TO MAKE MEAN, INCREDIBLY DENSERBAN, I MULTIFAMILY UNITS MAINTAIN A MEASURABLE STANDARD SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE TAKING THE RESIDENTS INTO CONSIDERATION IN THE FUTURE.

THAT IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THAT LAST, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, DEVELOPMENT COVERS EVERYTHING ELSE. AND DURING THE SITE PERMIT, OUR ENGINEERING GROUP WILL ASK FOR A WATER WASTEWATER CAPACITY ANALYSIS. AND THAT SHOULD COVER IF THEY DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY, WE DON'T HAVE TO ALLOW THE DENSITY. SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WILL BE LOOKED AT. BUT WE WANTED TO CLOSE ANY LOOPHOLE FOR CONVERSION PROJECTS WITH THE UPDATE OF THE DEFINITION.

UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DUCKWORTH. I'M HAVING TO DO YOURS MANUALLY.

THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU. HANGING ON TO COMMISSIONER JENKINS THERE. AN EXAMPLE MIGHT IN MY MIND IS THE WHAT I CALL THE OG TAYLOR PROPERTY DOWN HERE AT AVENUE D IN FIRST STREET. WOULD THAT BE A TYPICAL SOMETHING THAT WOULD FIT WITHIN THIS PLAN? I DON'T KNOW IF EVERY COMPONENT OF THAT PROJECT WOULD FIT WITHIN THIS PLAN, BUT THE THE STYLE IS KIND OF THAT URBAN STYLE IS INSPIRED. YEAH. THESE AMENDMENTS ARE INSPIRED BY THOSE URBAN STANDARDS. YEAH.

AND TO HELP ME BETTER UNDERSTAND, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WATER WASTEWATER. AND I'M GOING TO USE THAT FOR AN EXAMPLE. IF WE SAY SOMEBODY WANTED TO GO IN THERE AND BUILD A SIX STORY APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT COVERS THAT ENTIRE AREA, DO WE HAVE THE CURRENT UTILITIES TO HANDLE THAT? THAT'S WHAT THE CAPACITY ANALYSIS IS, AND THAT COMES IN WITH THE SITE PERMIT. SO ENGINEERING DOES GO DEEP INTO IT. D IF THE CAPACITY IS NOT THERE, THEN THEY'RE NOT THEY WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO DO IT. YEAH I'M TRYING TO THINK AND PERHAPS YOU CAN. AND WHEN YOU COME BACK WITH THIS OR WHEN YOU SEND US THE INFORMATION, MAYBE GIVE US 3 OR 4 EXAMPLES OF THIS

[02:00:06]

[b. Holford PD city-initiated rezoning update]

WHICH ONE OF YOU? IT'S THE SAME PRESENTATION. IT'S THE SECOND SLIDE OF THAT. SO THIS ONE I BELIEVE I HAD PROVIDED THE PLAN COMMISSION A LITTLE BIT O UPDATE A FEW MONTHS AGO. THE THE PROJECT WAS WAS PUT ON PAUSE FOR A LITTLE BIT, BUT WE WILL BE BRINGING IT BACK. THE REZONING BACK TO THAT'S AGAIN THE PLAN IS NOVEMBER 24TH. AGAIN, I THINK THE THE VISION IS STILL THE SAME. THE VISION IS TO HAVE ENTERTAINMENT ORIENTED DISTRICT AROUND HOLFORD AND 190. WE MOSTLY IT'S ZONED AGRICULTURAL FOR NOW. AND THERE'S A LITTLE PIECE THAT'S NOT LITTLE. THERE'S A PORTION THAT IS ZONED WITH THE PD, WITH COMMUNITY OFFICE ZONING AS A BASE. BUT THE GOAL IS TO HAVE A PLAN DEVELOPMENT WITH A BASE ZONING OF URBAN BUSINESS. AND REALLY THE VISION IS TO HAVE SPORTING AND EVENT DESTINATIONS AGAIN, URBAN STYLE MULTIFAMILY RESIDENCE, RESTAURANTS AND RETAIL SHOPPING, AND AGAIN PUBLIC RECREATION AND CIVIC SPACE. AND IN THE PD AGAIN, YOU'LL SEE IT WITH THE AGENDA PACKET. WE'RE TAKING A LOT OF CARE TO MAKE SURE SPRING CREEK IS BEING KIND OF A PRIORITY, SO THAT BUFFERING AROUND LIKE A BUFFER AROUND SPRING CREEK AND FLOODPLAIN, AROUND SPRING CREEK, THINGS LIKE THAT, THOSE ARE NOT GOING TO BE TOUCHED. THOSE ARE PROTECTED. SO THAT'S A THAT'S A VISION WITHIN THE PD THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ESTABLISH. AND THE PD ALSO REQUIRES ANYTHING THAT'S OUT THERE WITH SPRING CREEK PRESERVE. THOSE THINGS ARE CONSIDERED BEFORE ANY PERMIT OR ANY ANY OTHER PERMIT TYPE ACTIVITY IS ISSUED. SO THAT'S KIND OF THE GIST OF IT FOR NOW. BUT WE ARE ALSO PLANNING TO COME BACK TO YOU WITH THE ACTUAL ZONING ITEM ON NOVEMBER 24TH. COMMISSIONER DUCKWORTH.

AND I'LL JUST DO THAT. AND. THERE YOU GO. FINALLY. THANK YOU SIR. DID YOU USE YOUR POINTER OR TELL US THE THE CURRENT PROPERTY, I BELIEVE, ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF HARFORD IS OWNED BY THE GARLAND DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION. THAT'S THAT PIECE WHERE THE CURSOR IS.

OKAY. AND DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THE OWNERSHIP NORTH OF HARFORD? CORRECT. YEAH. YES, YES. THAT'S THE CHURCH, A C CHURCH. THAT'S THE CHURCH PROPERTY, I BELIEVE IT'S UNDEVELOPED. IT IS UNDEVELOPED, BUT IT HAS A PD ON IT THAT ALLOWS COMMUNITY OFFICE USES. OKAY. AND THE AND THE, THE PART HEADED TOWARD SPRING CREEK FROM THE CHURCH PROPERTY IS THAT IS THAT ONE OWNERSHIP THAT IS AN OWNERSHIP BY SEVERAL SIBLINGS, I BELIEVE. AND WE HAVE BEEN IN CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM AS WELL. OKAY. AND THE AREA, THE AREAS YOU MENTIONED IN YOUR DISCUSSION, THOSE TWO

[02:05:01]

AND I LET HIM KNOW, DO YOU KNOW THERE 16 HOTELS. DOES YOUR CLIENT KNOW? OH, I DON'T KNOW.

THAT PROJECT DISAPPEARED REAL QUICK. SO I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A MARKET ANALYSIS ON THAT.

AND AGAIN, ON THE MULTIFAMILY BETWEEN THE CITY PROPERTY LINE AND THE MALL, OR NOT EVEN QUITE TO THE MALL, YOU KNOW, WITHIN ABOUT A HALF MILE MILE ON EITHER SIDE OF 190 OR ABOUT 6500 APARTMENTS, IS THERE THE MARKET THAT YOU'RE THINKING FOR THAT? SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A

[02:10:01]

THIS IS PROBABLY EIGHT YEARS AGO, AND THEY WANTED TO FILL THAT UP COMPLETELY WITH MULTIFAMILY. SO THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE KNOW THAT PROPERTY AND MAY MAY WANT TO DO IT RIGHT NOW ON PD 8496. THEY COULD, BUT I WOULD ALMOST THINK, YEAH, YOU CAN DO A ZONING FOR THE CITY OWNED PROPERTY AND MAYBE A, A PLAN OVERLAY OF WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE HERE INSTEAD OF CHANGING IT TO SOMETHING THAT BECOMES VULNERABLE TO THINGS WE DON'T WANT. I'M JUST TOSSING THESE IDEAS. I APPRECIATE THE THOUGHT. I DO WANT TO SAY I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT PROJECT IN HERE ANYMORE, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF A MARKET ANALYSIS WE CAN'T BECAUSE A LOT OF IT IS UNKNOWN. AND THE UNDERLYING THOUGHT IS TO GET IT READY. IF A DEVELOPER WANTS TO COME IN AND WE DO IT ALL THE TIME, THE DEVELOPER COMES IN, THEY WANT TO DO SOMETHING. IT'S RESTRICTED BY ZONING. SO THE IDEA IS TO PROTECT AGAINST SPRING CREEK AND TO FOR THE EXTENT THAT CAN BE DEVELOPED, IT'S A STRATEGICALLY PRIORITIZED AREA. IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO HOLFORD AND 190 SO THAT IF A DEVELOPER WANTS TO COME IN, WE HAVE PLACED HIGHER STANDARDS ZONING IN THERE SO THAT THEY COULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE TO THAT. AND WE CAN WE CAN REGULATE THE NARRATIVE OF WHAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT WE ARE WANTING THERE. YES, A HOTEL, FULL SERVICE HOTEL. WE'RE PROPOSING IT TO BE AN ALLOWED USE THAT WOULD BE SUBDISTRICT, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A HOTEL. SO I THINK A LOT OF IT WILL BE DICTATED BY THE MARKET. BUT SOMETIMES THE MARKET LIKES TO HAVE THE ZONING IN PLACE SO THAT THEY CAN GET SOME KIND OF INTEREST IN THAT AREA. I CAN TELL YOU THIS, THE PORTION THAT THE CITY OWNS, THERE'S A LOT OF CONSERVATION EASEMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT IN THERE. SO THAT PIECE YEAH, IT'S GOT IT'S GOT SOME IT'S GOT SOME DEED RESTRICTIONS WITH IT, BUT IT COULD ONLY BE MORE OPEN FIELD TYPE THING. SO THAT PIECE IS NOT GOING TO BE AND IT'S UNDER STATE CONTROL. AND I HAVE NO WORRIES ABOUT THAT. YEAH OKAY. YEAH I JUST WANT TO SEE SOMETHING GREAT GO IN THERE. AND AND THE MARKET APARTMENT MARKET NOW IS A LITTLE BIT SOFT.

THEY'RE NOT FILLING UP. AND THERE ARE A LOT OF UNITS COMING ON THE MARKET. AND ANALYSIS I'VE SEEN IS THAT WILL START TO PLAY OUT IN 2026. AND THESE DEVELOPERS THINK TWO, THREE, FIVE YEARS IN ADVANCE. SO WE MAY START SEEING MORE ACTIVITY FOR ZONING WISE LATER NEXT MID NEXT YEAR TO LATER NEXT YEAR. AND I KNOW THIS IS PROBABLY A 3 TO 10 YEAR CONCEPT. AND AGAIN, JUST BECAUSE WE PUT A PD IS IT. IT IS TO ENSURE WE HAVE THE MINIMUM BASE REQUIREMENTS IN PLACE WHEN DEVELOPMENT HAPPENS. BUT BASED ON THE PARTICULAR PROJECT THAT WE GET, IT'S VERY MUCH POSSIBLE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO AMEND THE PD. AND BUT AS LONG AS WE HAVE THE BASE ZONING IN THERE, THAT'S THE MINIMUM THAT THEY'RE REQUIRED TO DO. SO THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO PUT HIGHER STANDARD PD IN THERE SO THAT WE CAN HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE TO THAT. OKAY.

AND THIS AND THIS QUESTION JUST DAWNED ON ME AND THIS THIS IS FOR LEGAL DOWN AT THE END. IF THERE'S A PD SAY FOR COMMERCIAL WITH A LOT OF REQUIREMENTS ON IT, DOES SENATE BILL 840 FLOW BY ANY REQUIREMENTS MAY BE PUT IN THERE AND GO JUST BY WHAT THEY'VE SAID. HEIGHT. AND BECAUSE THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT AMENITIES AND STUFF AND SENATE BILL 840 THAT THOSE COULDN'T BE CONTROLLED EITHER. SO WHAT KIND OF AUTHORITY DOES SENATE BILL 840 HAVE ON US? I TELL YOU, I WOULD HAVE TO PULL IT UP AND LOOK AT IT. I HADN'T LOOKED AT IT IN REFERENCE TO JUST THIS TYPE OF THING RECENTLY. I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY AMENITY RELATED RESTRICTIONS IN 840, AND I HAVE.

NO, IT WAS IT WAS MORE OF THE THE HEIGHT AND AGAIN FOR HEIGHT. IT'S NOT FOR DENSITY. IT'S WHATEVER THE MAXIMUM DENSITY THAT THE CITY ALLOWS, BUT FOR HEIGHT IT'S WHATEVER HEIGHT IS ALLOWED ON THAT SITE. YEAH. SO ANY 8496 IS BOUND BY. YEAH. WHATEVER'S ALLOWED IN HEIGHT WISE, YOU MAY EVEN WANT TO CHANGE IT TO HIGHER HEIGHTS TO GET THE NICER CORRECT STRUCTURES. OKAY. YEAH. WE WE WOULD ADDRESS THAT GOING IN WITH THE PD TO TRY TO BEST SET OURSELVES UP TO DEAL WITH ANY KIND OF TINKERING YOU'RE TALKING ABOUTVERALL WITH DIFFERENT PHASES. DIFFERENT. CORRECT. THERE ARE THREE SUBDISTRICTS THAT WE'RE WE'RE

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AND I KNOW THE MENTALITY IS, HOW CAN WE WORK AROUND THIS, WORK AROUND THAT. I'M JUST TRYING TO IMPART SOME OF THAT. OH NO, I APPRECIATE IT. ACTUALLY. I DO PLAN TO IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS BEFORE IT COMES TO CITY CITY PLANNING COMMISSION. I DO WANT TO KIND OF WORK WITH YOU ALL AND MAKE SURE YOU'RE COMFORTABLE ONCE THE CASE COMES. SURE. AND OUR JOB IS JUST TO ADVISE, SO WE'LL MOVE IT FORWARD WITH ANY INPUT THAT WE HAVE WHEN IT COMES TO THAT POINT. OKAY. ALRIGHTY. SO SORRY TO THROW ALL THAT AT YOU, BUT NO, I'VE SEEN IT IN THE STUFF, YOU KNOW? OKAY, WE ALREADY HAD THAT ONE TRY ON THAT ONE PROPERTY. THEY HAVEN'T COME BACK. THE PD IS THERE. BUT YEAH. AND THAT COULD BE SUBJECT TO THAT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO 840 TODAY. YEAH. GOTTA LOVE WHAT THE STATE DOES TO US. AND YES THAT IS A POLITICAL COMMENT OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS COMMISSIONER DUCKWORTH? I WANT TO ASK A FAVOR OF YOU TO. YEAH.

LIKE TO THE CITY OWNS I KNOW THERE'S A FRONTAGE PART OF THAT THAT. YES. 13 YOU USED A TERM WHILE AGO THAT CAN ONLY BE USED FOR CERTAIN THINGS, BUT THERE'S LIKE 14 ACRES ON THE FRONT ALONG 190. IF YOU COULD GIVE A LITTLE MORE DEFINITION ON THIS MAP, THAT'S AT. YES, YOU'LL FIND ALL OF THAT. AND I WOULD LIKE TO FOR YOU TO FIND WHERE THE FLOODPLAIN COMES UP ON THOSE PROPERTIES. YES. I WOULD ASSUME IT COMES TO IN THE THAT LOWER PORTION OF THE AG ON HARFORD ROAD WHERE SPRING CREEK IS. I'M ASSUMING THAT'S ALL FLOODPLAIN AND THAT THAT ACTUALLY HAVE A I JUST DIDN'T BECAUSE I WANTED TO KEEP IT BRIEF. WE ACTUALLY HAVE A MAP THAT SHOWS WHERE THE IT OVERLAYS WITH THIS MAP WHERE THE FLOODPLAIN IS. WE ACTUALLY HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, AND WE HAD SHOWED THAT AT THAT COMMUNITY MEETING LATE COMMISSIONER ROSE WAS AT THAT AS WELL. SO YEAH, YOU'LL GET ALL OF THAT INFORMATION. I'D JUST LIKE FOR WHEN WHEN WE LOOK AT IT, WE HAVE A REALLY, FOR ME, A REALLY DETAILED SIDE OF WHAT I'M LOOKING AT AND TALKING ABOUT. ABSOLUTELY. WHAT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ZONING IT FOR. WE'LL PUT IN AS MUCH INFORMATION AS POSSIBLE. AND AS YOU KNOW, THE STATE NOW REQUIRES 72 BUSINESS HOURS AHEAD OF AGENDA POSTING. SO WE DO SEND THE AGENDA PACKET OUT ON POSTED AND SEND IT OUT ON WEDNESDAYS. SO IF YOU WANT TO TAKE THAT EXTRA TIME TO REVIEW IT AND HAVE QUESTIONS BACK TO US ON FRIDAY, THAT ALSO GIVES US A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA TIME TO WORK ON THOSE. SO I APPRECIATE ALL OF THAT AS WELL. I ONLY LOOK AT IT AT 5:00 ON FRIDAY. 5:00 ON SUNDAY NOW. ALRIGHTY. THANK YOU. AND WHAT DO YOU DO IN YOUR SPARE TIME NOW? IF I HAVE ANY, I WILL LET Y'ALL KNOW. OKAY? SHE'S STILL BRUSHING HER STAR. WELL, WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HER HERE NOW, WHAT'S THIS BIG AWARD YOU GOT PROFESSIONAL UNDER 40. IT'S A RECOGNITION THEY RECOGNIZE FEW FOLKS NATIONALLY WHO NATIONALLY JUST NOT AS COOL.

YEAH, THEY I APPRECIATE IT. IT'S A GOOD RECOGNITION. IT KEEPS US ENCOURAGED AND KEEPS US GOING. SO DIFFERENT. DIFFERENT FOLKS FROM DIFFERENT. YEAH. TYPES OF PLANNING BACKGROUNDS. SOME PEOPLE WERE DOING ADVOCACY, SOME WERE DOING CITY PLANNING, SOME WERE COUNTY.

SO I THINK THEY HAD 5 OR 6 PEOPLE WHO WERE UNDER 40 THAT THEY RECOGNIZED.

CONGRATULATIONS I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU SIR I WISH I COULD REMEMBER THAT FAR BACK.

[c. South Garland Lakeside Area Plan update]

[02:20:06]

SO VERY LONG RANGE. NOTHING'S GOING TO HAPPEN OVERNIGHT. BUT FOR US TO EVEN START WORKING ON IT, IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE PLAN ADOPTED. AND THAT CAN KIND OF TRIGGER OTHER LITTLE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TO EXPEDITE THOSE PROJECTS. AND THAT LAKESIDE PROJECTS. AND WE WANT TO SEE IN SOUTH GARLAND. SO WE KIND OF LOOKED AT TAXABLE LAND VALUE. THE AREA WAS DIVIDED INTO FIVE DIFFERENT AREAS AS WELL. IT'S ZION POINT, NORTH POINT, SOUTH POINT, LOCUST GROVE. SO THESE AREAS ARE IDENTIFIED AS DISTINCT SUBAREAS. AND THERE'S LIKE A LAND USE SUGGESTION FOR EACH AREA RECOMMENDATIONS IN TERMS OF WHAT WE COULD DO TO MAKE EACH OF THOSE AREAS BETTER. SO I'M GOING TO GO OVER ALL OF THAT ON NOVEMBER 24TH. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE ON THE AGENDA AS WELL. BUT I DO ENCOURAGE YOU, IF YOU PLEASE, HAVE THE TIME AND THE INTEREST, PLEASE LOOK IT UP. PLEASE REVIEW IT, SEND QUESTIONS TO ME AHEAD OF TIME. I WASN'T A I WASN'T PART OF THE WHOLE PLAN WHEN THE CONSULTANT DEVELOPED IT, SO I HAVE TRIED TO INTERNALIZE IT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. BUT IF I CAN GET THE QUESTIONS AHEAD OF TIME, THAT WOULD HELP ME TREMENDOUSLY TO PREPARE. AND THEN WE PLAN TO HAVE THE CONSULTANT PRESENT AT THE CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION ON DECEMBER 1ST, AND POSSIBLY TAKE IT TO CITY COUNCIL FOR ADOPTION ON DECEMBER 16TH, DEPENDING ON HOW PLANNING COMMISSION FLS ABOUT IT. BUT ANYTHING, COMMISSIONER PARRISH, IF YOU WANT TO ADD SOMETHING TO IT. OKAY. AWESOME. THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND AGAIN IT'S A WHEN YOU SEE IT YOU'LL SEE THEY'RE REALLY NICE RENDERINGS. SOME OF IT MAY FEEL LIKE IS IT EVER GOING TO HAPPEN. BUT THE GOAL WAS TO THINK BIG. WE HAVE THIS LAKEFRONT THAT IS NOT CAPITALIZED. BEFORE I CAME TO GARLAND, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT GARLAND HAS A LAKESIDE, AND THIS PLAN JUST WANTS TO CAPITALIZE ON THAT AS WELL, TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE KNOW THERE'S BRANDING WAYFINDING ASSOCIATED WITH THE LAKEFRONT THAT WE HAVE, AND KIND OF START THINKING ABOUT HOW WE CAN LEVERAGE ALL THOSE NATURAL ASSETS. IT IS A VERY DETAILED REPORT. I'VE DOWNLOADED IT AND I'VE SKIMMED THROUGH IT, AND I'VE ONLY MADE IT IN DETAIL ABOUT THROUGH A QUARTER OR TWO, A THIRD. SO IT IS VERY DETAILED. AND MY HOPE IS THAT, LIKE A LOT OF STUDIES THAT END UP ON THE SHELF AND NEVER GET REFERENCED AGAIN, THAT MAYBE EVERY YEAR THAT THERE'S AN UPDATE ON PROGRESS OR SOMETHING, AND I'M CERTAIN IT'LL BE IN ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ANY, ANY STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ANYTHING OUT THERE. SO AND I'M GLAD THEY CHANGED THE NAME OF IT. OH YEAH. IT WAS I GOT ON TO HIM ABOUT THAT. YES. IT WAS NAMED AFTER GEORGE BUSH, THE GEORGE BUSH EXPANSION. IT WAS CALLED EAST BRANCH. AND WHEN WE WHEN WE WENT TO THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT MEETING, ONE THING THAT REALLY STUCK WITH ME WAS THAT THEY SAID THE COMMUNITY SAID, HEY, WE DON'T HAVE MUCH IN SOUTH GARLAND OR WHEN THE RESIDENTS IN SOUTH GARLAND, THEY DON'T REALLY ASSOCIATE THAT MUCH WITH THE DOWNTOWN. RIGHT. THERE NEEDS TO BE A SEPARATE IDENTITY. SO THAT'S WHERE THE WHOLE CONVERSATION ABOUT CHANGING THE NAME, HAVING AN EXCITING, EXCITING NAME FOR THE PROJECT THAT NOT ONLY EXCITES THE RESIDENTS BUT ALSO EXCITES STAFF AS WELL TO WORK ON FUTURE PROJECTS. BASED ON THE PLAN, WE THOUGHT IT WAS NECESSARY, SO I APPRECIATE THAT THE EXISTING NAME MADE IT SOUND LIKE IT WAS NORTH GARLAND TO YOU, AND THAT WOULDN'T FLY.

ALRIGHTY, COMMISSIONER DUCKWORTH AND THIS GOOD DID A GOOD DEAL OF THIS PROPERTY IS IN DISTRICT FOUR, I BELIEVE, IS IT NOT? SAY IT ONE MORE TIME, SIR. I DIDN'T GET THE QUESTION.

DISTRICT. A LARGE PART OF THIS IS IN DISTRICT FOUR. THIS IS MOSTLY DISTRICT THREE. IT IS FULLY DISTRICT THREE THREE AND SOME FOR A LITTLE BIT FOR I THINK IT'S DISTRICT THREE. YEAH.

IN THIS IN THIS IS THE BASS PRO AREA ISN'T IT. IT IS THE BASS PRO AREA ALL THE WAY DOWN 30 TO THE GEORGE BUSH EXTENSION AND A LITTLE BIT BEYOND. YEAH. AND REMEMBER OUR CITIZENS PUT $25 MILLION IN A BOND PROGRAM TO HELP TO REDEVELOP THIS AREA. SO WE SAW SOME SOME DEVELOPMENT PLANS BACK DURING THE BOND COMMITTEE STUDY THAT WERE VERY EXCITING. SO I'M EXCITED TO SEE THIS MOVE FORWARD. YES, SIR. WE ARE TO. ALL RIGHT. COOL. ALL RIGHT. THAT WAS THE LAST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA. IT IS NOW 854. SO UNTIL OUR MEETING OF

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.