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WELCOME TO THE, UH, THE, THE NOVEMBER 19TH PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE MEETING.
AND, UH, WITH ME, I HAVE, UH, MAYOR PRO TIM LUCK, AND COUNCIL MEMBER CARISSA DUTTON.
AND WE HAVE OUR, UH, INTERIM CITY MANAGER, MIKE BETS, AND A WHOLE LITANY OF STAFF TO HELP US OUT WITH, WITH SOME VERY INTERESTING THINGS TODAY.
FIRST THING THAT WE HAVE IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES, AND WE HAVE THE SEPTEMBER 18TH, 2025 MINUTES.
DO I HAVE A, UH, MOTION? MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
WELL, THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED ONTO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE NO ONE FROM THE PUBLIC TODAY.
SO, UH, WE'RE, THEY'RE ALWAYS WELCOME, BUT, UH, NOT, UH, NO ONE HERE TODAY FOR OUR, UH, FIRST TWO ITEMS, WE HAVE ITEM THREE A AND THREE B.
THOSE ARE BEING PRESENTED TOGETHER AND WE HAVE TRAFFIC CONTROL, UH, DEVICES AND CONSTRUCTION ZONES.
AND THE OTHER IS REVIEW OF CONSTRUCTION CREW, PORTABLE RESTROOMS. THESE WERE BOTH FORWARDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER DUTTON.
AND THAT WILL BE, UH, WE'VE GOT A PRESENTATION ON THIS.
UM, AGAIN, AT THE LAST PUBLIC, UH, SAFETY COMMITTEE MEETING, THE COMMITTEE REQUESTED A, A FOLLOW UP ON TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES AS WELL, AS WELL AS PORTABLE TOILETS.
SO, AS FAR AS TRAFFIC CONTROL, WHO HAS PROJECTS IN GARLAND THAT HAVE TRAFFIC CONTROL ALONG OUR CITY STREETS? WELL, I'M GONNA START OFF WITH THE USUAL SUSPECTS, THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, WHICH, UM, I AM OVER AS DIRECTOR.
UM, WE HAVE PROJECTS, UH, STEMMING FROM, UH, PUBLIC WORKS AS FAR AS OUR CIP CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAMS. WE HAVE, WE ALSO HAVE, UM, DEVELOPMENT RELATED PROJECTS THAT ALSO HAVE TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES THAT WE INSPECT.
UM, THE STREETS DEPARTMENT, WATER AND WASTEWATER DEPARTMENT, TRANSPORTATION, THEY ALL HAVE PROJECTS, OBVIOUSLY, STREETS IN ALL OF OUR PUBLIC STREETS, WATER AND WASTEWATER AND MOST OF THEM.
EVERYTHING THAT THEY PRACTICALLY WORK ON, UM, OUTSIDE WITH SIGNALS AND THAT TYPE OF THING ARE IN OUR PUBLIC STREETS AND RIGHT OF WAY.
SO WHO ELSE HAS PROJECTS? THERE'S, THERE'S THE UTILITY COMPANIES.
THERE'S GPNL, WHICH IS OUR OWN, UM, ELECTRIC COMPANY, ENCORE ATMOS FRONTIER, AT AND T SPECTRUM.
AND THEN THERE'S OTHER TELECOM COMPANIES.
UH, WE HAVE THESE WONDERFUL DATA CENTERS UP ON THE NORTH END OF THE CITY, AND THERE ARE ALL SORTS OF TELECOM COMPANIES COMING IN AND OUT OF THOSE FACILITIES THAT, UM, NAMES THERE, THERE'S A NUMBER OF NAMES THAT THAT, BUT THEY ALL HAVE, UM, UH, FACILITIES IN OUR RIGHTS OF WAY AND AT TIMES HAVE TO DO TRAFFIC CONTROL.
SO, AND THEN THE LAST BUT NOT LEAST, THERE IS STATE HIGHWAY 78 AND STATE HIGHWAY 66 RUNNING THROUGH GARLAND AND TX DOTS OUT THERE FOR MANY FROM TIME TO TIME.
AND THEY, THEY'VE GOT TRAFFIC CONTROL IN OUR, IN OUR RIGHTS, IN THE RIGHTS OF WAY OUT THERE THAT ARE INSIDE THE CITY OF GARLAND.
SO GOING WITH THE CITY DEPARTMENTS, UM, WHAT DO WE HAVE THAT, THAT WE HAVE OUT THERE AND, AND HOW MANY PROJECTS AND WHAT'S GOING ON? SO ACTIVE PROJECTS IN THE CIVIL, IN OUR, IN THE ENGINEERING SIDE OF THINGS IS OUR, OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAM AS WELL.
WE HAVE CURRENTLY 126 ACTIVE PROJECTS.
THERE ARE ANNUALLY ABOUT 163 THROUGHOUT A YEAR.
AND 150 OF THOSE TYPICALLY COME WITH TRAFFIC, SOME TYPE OF TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES IN OUR CITY STREETS AND RIGHTS OF WAY.
UM, I, I SEPARATED THIS OUT ALONG THOROUGHFARES 'CAUSE WHAT I WAS HEARING FROM WHAT THE COMMITTEE WAS ASKING LAST TIME, IT SEEMS LIKE THE BIGGEST ISSUES ARE ALONG THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARES WHERE YOU HAVE A LOT MORE TRAFFIC.
TRAFFIC'S ARE, TRAFFIC IS AT A LITTLE BIT HIGHER SPEED AND THEY COME UP ON AN INTERSECTION THAT, OH, THERE'S, THERE'S A CLOSURE OR THERE'S A LEFT LANE CLOSED OR, OR A RIGHT LANE CLOSED OR, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND THIS IS WHERE THE BIGGEST IMPACT IS.
SO I SEPARATED THAT OUT OF HOW MANY PROJECTS WE ACTUALLY HAVE FOR EACH GROUP OF, THAT'S ACTUALLY ALONG A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE STREET.
AND, UM, OUR INSPECTION FREQUENCY IS BASICALLY ONCE PER DAY PER SITE.
AND THAT'S ABOUT A HUNDRED INSPECTIONS A WEEK FOR THOSE 20 SITES.
AND WE, WE CURRENTLY HAVE SEVEN INSPECTORS.
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ONE IS RELATIVELY NEW, HE'S STILL TRAINING.SO THESE 126 PROJECTS ARE REALLY SPREAD BETWEEN SIX OF THEM RIGHT NOW WITH, WITH THE OTHER INSPECTOR BEING TRAINED RIGHT NOW, HE'S STARTING TO TAKE OVER SOME OF THE NEWER, UM, DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS.
HE WILL TAKE SOME SMALLER DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS FIRST, UM, OUR ENGINEERING RIGHT OF WAY INSPECTIONS.
THESE ARE OUR TWO INSPECTORS THAT INSPECT ALL OF THE, UM, AS YOU GO BACK UP GPNL PERMITS, YOU KNOW, THAT WE PERMIT FOR TO WORK IN OUR RIGHTS OF WAY AND EASEMENTS.
GPNL, ENCORE ATMOS, ALL OF THESE TELECOM COMPANIES AND THE GAS COMPANIES, THESE TWO GENTLEMEN, UM, ARE RUNNING AROUND ALL OVER THE CITY.
AND, AND THEY CURRENTLY HAVE 172 ACTIVE PROJECTS.
THEY TYPICALLY PERMIT ABOUT 3,300 A YEAR AND 3000 OF THOSE COME WITH TRAFFIC CONTROL.
AND, UM, EIGHT OF THEM ARE CURRENTLY IN OUR MAJOR THOROUGHFARE CORRIDORS.
UH, THAT CAN FLUCTUATE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR WITH THESE 30, WITH THESE 3000 PERMITS THAT COME WITH TRAFFIC CONTROL, THAT COULD BE UP TO 10, MAYBE 15 AT ONE TIME.
AND, UM, WE DO TRY TO GET OUT THERE ONCE A DAY TO INSPECT THESE AND MAKE SURE THAT TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES ARE IN PLACE.
AND SO, UM, THESE AGAIN, ARE THE ACTUAL PROJECTS.
THIS IS IN ADDITION TO, I'M SURE Y'ALL ARE ALL FAMILIAR WITH.
THEY'RE THE ONES THAT RUN OUT THERE AND, AND HANDLE ALL THE DAMAGED PEDESTALS AND THE LOW HANGING WIRES AND LOOSE WIRES AND WIRES ACROSS ALLEYS AND THAT TYPE OF THING.
SO THESE TWO GENTLEMEN ARE, ARE PRETTY BUSY SCRAMBLING ALL OVER THE CITY.
SO, UH, STREETS, UH, CIP AND OPERATIONS, UH, CIP GROUP AND STREETS CURRENTLY HAS 20 PROJECTS.
THEY TYPICALLY HAVE 250 IN A, IN A GIVEN YEAR, AND ABOUT 180 OF THOSE COME WITH, UM, TRAFFIC CONTROL OF SOME SORT.
AND, UM, CURRENTLY THERE ARE FIVE OF THEM THAT ARE LOCATED ALONG MAJOR THOROUGH AFFAIRS.
AND THEY GET OUT THERE THREE TIMES PER WEEK PER PROJECT.
SO 15 INSPECTIONS IN THIS CASE.
UH, BUT THEY TRY TO GET OUT THERE AT LEAST THREE TIMES A WEEK TO INSPECT THAT.
THEY, THE INSPECTORS ALSO HELP WITH THEIR STREET OPERATIONS INSPECTIONS.
THERE ARE 75 ACTIVE PROJECTS, TYPICALLY 200 IN A YEAR.
AND OF COURSE, ALL OF THE STREET OPERATIONS COME WITH SOME SORT OF TRAFFIC CONTROL.
CURRENTLY, THERE ARE 10 PROJECTS ALONG MAJOR THOROUGH AFFAIRS, AND THEY DO INSPECT DAILY.
THEY JUST ADOPTED, I HAVE IT OVER HERE IN THE COMMENTS SECTION.
THEY JUST ADOPTED A NEW AUDITING PROCESS WHERE THEY'RE REQUIRING DAILY INSPECTIONS AND THAT INCLUDES THE TRAFFIC CONTROL AND THEN OUR WATER AND WASTEWATER GROUPS.
UM, THE CIP GROUP HAS FIVE ACTIVE PROJECTS, 10 ANNUALLY, AND, UM, ALL FIVE OF THEM CURRENTLY, UM, HAVE TRAFFIC CONTROL.
AND THREE OF 'EM ARE ALONG MAJOR THOROUGHFARE AND THEY DO INSPECT DAILY.
AND THEIR EXPECTATION IS, IS THE TRAFFIC CONTROL TO BE THE FIRST THING TO COMPLETE IT.
UPON ARRIVING, UM, TO A PROJECT SITE DAILY AND SPOT CHECKED AS THEY REVISIT THE SITE THROUGHOUT THE DAY.
THEY CURRENTLY HAVE THREE INSPECTORS, UM, FOR THEIR CIP AND I THINK THEY OVERLAP, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, UH, INTO THEIR OPERATIONS.
NOW THE OPERATIONS OPERATES A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.
THESE ARE USUALLY QUICKER PROJECTS.
DAILY THEY GO AND, AND REPAIR A, A BROKEN WATER MAIN OR, OR A KNOWN LOCATION WHERE THEY NEED REPAIRS, A SLOW LEAK, AND THEY'VE GOTTA GO REPAIR A SITE.
SO MOST OF THEIR WORK IS DONE WITHIN THE DAY.
THEY'LL HAVE TO SET UP TRAFFIC CONTROL, WORK ON SOMETHING, REPAIR IT, BACKFILL IT, AND THEN THEY'LL OPEN IT BACK UP TO TRAFFIC AT NIGHT.
UM, IF THEY HAVE TO COME BACK AND HAVE A CONTRACTOR COME IN AND POUR THE CONCRETE THE NEXT DAY, IT MAY STAY BLOCKED OFF FOR ANOTHER DAY OR TWO UNTIL EVERYTHING CURES.
BUT THE, THE, UM, THE NUMBER OF ACTIVE PROJECTS VARIES ON A DAILY AND THE ANNUAL PROJECTS IS APPROXIMATELY 660, BUT THEY DON'T TRACK THE TRAFFIC CONTROL OF WHAT, WHAT REQUIRED TRAFFIC CONTROL AND WHAT DIDN'T.
AND AGAIN, BECAUSE THAT'S BECAUSE THESE REPAIRS ARE USUALLY MADE WITHIN THE DAY AND THEY'RE, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE FINISHED WITH IT AND THEY MOVE ON.
TRANSPORTATION IS IS SOMETHING SIMILAR.
THEY CURRENTLY HAVE 14 ACTIVE PROJECTS.
AND OF COURSE SINCE THEY'RE ALL DEALING WITH TRAFFIC SIGNALS, TRAFFIC, SIGNAL, HEAD REPLACEMENT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CABINETS ON THE SIDES, MOST OF THEM HAVE TRAFFIC CONTROL.
BUT AGAIN, THERE'S ARE SINGLE DAILY CLOSURES AS WELL.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE OUT THERE FOR MULTIPLE DAYS ON END.
UM, WORKING ON A TRAFFIC SIGNAL NOW, UM, THEY HAVE 142 THAT ARE, ARE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR THAT ARE LOCATED ALONG MAJOR THOROUGHFARE.
AND, UM, THEY DO INSPECT, YOU KNOW, TWO TO THREE TIMES A WEEK.
SO THEY ARE OUT THERE, BUT AGAIN, THEY'RE REMOVING AND REPLACING THEIR TRAFFIC CONTROL DAILY TOO.
BUT THEY DO HAVE AN INSPECTOR GO OUT THERE AND, AND CHECK TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TRAFFIC CONTROL IS IN PLACE AND IT IS CORRECT.
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INSPECTIONS AND THE TRAINING ENGINEERING, WE REQUIRE OUR INSPECTORS TO BE TRAINED ON TRAFFIC CONTROL EVERY FIVE YEARS.AND, UM, IN STREETS, ALL OF THEIR INSPECTORS.
LAST TRAINING WAS FEBRUARY OF 2024.
I WAS TALKING WITH TONY JUST RIGHT BEFORE THIS MEETING.
AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE DETERMINING HOW FREQUENTLY THEY NEED TO HAVE THEIR STAFF TRAINED ON TRAFFIC CONTROL.
AND THEN, UM, WATER AND WASTEWATER HAVE IN INFORMED US THAT THEY TRAIN ANNUALLY, UM, BECAUSE THEY ARE REMOVING AND REPLACING ON A ALMOST A DAILY BASIS.
SO THEY HAVE TO HAVE THEIR, THEIR TRAFFIC CONTROL, UM, TRAINING MORE FREQUENTLY.
I CHECKED WITH THEM RIGHT BEFORE THIS, I DIDN'T HAVE THIS ON MY SLIDE AND I FORGOT TO ASK THEM, BUT I DID CHECK WITH PAUL WHEN HE GOT HERE.
EVERY THREE YEARS THROUGH THE INTERNATIONAL MUNICIPAL SIGNAL ASSOCIATION, THEY RECEIVE A, A, A RECERTIFICATION FOR TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES.
AND THAT'S EVERY THREE YEARS IS WHAT, UM, TRANSPORTATION HAS ON THEIR TRAINING.
SO WITH ALL THIS WONDERFUL INFORMATION, WHAT ARE WE RECOMMENDING AS FAR AS PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS? AND I THINK THIS IS WHAT Y'ALL ARE WANTING TO HEAR MORE OF, IS LOOKING BACK AT IT, DO WE NEED TO, UM, HAVE OUR INSPECTORS TRAIN MORE THAN EVERY FIVE YEARS? AND, AND, UM, AND HOW FREQUENTLY IS THE STREET DEPARTMENT GONNA BE RETRAINING, BUT MORE FREQUENT TRAFFIC CONTROL TRAINING FOR INSPECTION STAFF? THAT WAS A RECOMMENDATION.
AND WE'LL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT IS.
IS IT EVERY THREE YEARS SIMILAR TO TRANSPORTATION OR IS IT ANNUALLY? UH, BUT WE NEED TO DETERMINE THAT.
WE NEED TO ALL GET TOGETHER AND DETERMINE THAT.
UH, ANOTHER ITEM IS TO INCLUDE OWNERS.
THIS IS WHAT WE GET INTO ON A, ON A FEW OF THEM.
WHEN THE COUNCIL MEMBERS CALL IN AND THEY SAY, HEY, WE'VE GOT THIS, THESE TRAFFIC SIGNS THAT ARE JUST LEFT UP AND THEY SEEM TO BE A NO MAN'S LAND.
AND I THINK Y'ALL MENTIONED THAT AT THE LAST MEETING, IS THAT, UM, WE'RE NOT EXACTLY SURE WHO SOME OF THESE BELONG TO.
AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE PROPOSING IN OUR ORDINANCE OR IN OUR RIGHT OF WAY INFORMATION, WE HAVE A GUIDELINE IS TO INCLUDE OWNERS' NAMES AND TELEPHONE NUMBERS ON THE BACK OF THE SIGNS AND BARRICADES.
'CAUSE WHAT WE END UP GETTING IS WE'LL HAVE TWO, UM, LET'S SAY ATMOS AND FRONTIER HAVE BEEN WORKING IN A SIMILAR AREA OR IN THE SAME AREA AND THEIR, THEIR PROJECTS CROSS EACH OTHER.
THERE MAY BE A SIGN LEFT OUT THERE.
WE DON'T KNOW WHO IT BELONGS TO.
DOES IT BELONG TO FRONTIER? DOES IT BELONG? AND THEY POINTED EACH OTHER, OH, THAT'S NOT OUR SIGN.
AND SO IF WE HAVE THEIR NAMES, WE GO, HEY, THIS IS YOUR SIGN.
YOU NEED TO GO GET IT REMOVED, OR YOU NEED TO GO LAY THE SIGN DOWN BECAUSE THE RIGHT LANE'S OPEN, IT'S NOT CLOSED.
AND WE CAN ACTUALLY HAVE A QUICKER RESPONSE THAN TRYING TO HAVE THEM POINT FINGERS AT EACH OTHER.
SO WE HAVE RUN INTO THAT ON A NUMBER OF PROJECTS WHERE PROJECTS HAVE OVERLAPPED.
AND HAVING THIS ON THERE, IT WILL HELP US RESPOND A LITTLE BIT QUICKER.
AND THEN THE THIRD ITEM, AND THIS, THESE AREN'T RANKED IN ANY ORDER.
THIS MIGHT BE THE MOST, UM, IT COULD HAVE BEEN NUMBER ONE IF YOU WERE RANKING THEM, BUT REITERATING TO OUR SUPERVISORS AND INSPECTORS, THE IMPORTANCE OF PROPER TRAFFIC CONTROL ON CONSTRUCTION SITES.
AND I'M NOT MAKING EXCUSES FOR ANY OF 'EM, BUT WE DO GET INTO A SITUATION WHERE, UM, ONE OF OUR INSPECTORS MIGHT BE GET A CALL FIRST THING IN THE MORNING AT SEVEN OR SEVEN 30, AND A CONTRACTOR CALLS 'EM AND SAY, HEY, WE RAN INTO A PROBLEM THIS MORNING.
THERE'S, THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE RIGHT OF WAY WE DIDN'T KNOW EXISTED.
THEY GO OUT THERE, THEY'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW THEY'RE GONNA WORK AROUND WHATEVER THE ISSUE IS.
AND THE CONFLICT IS, AND THEY SPEND AN HOUR DOING THIS.
THEY WEREN'T PLANNING ON DOING THAT.
OH, WELL I'VE GOTTA GET OVER HERE.
THEY HAVE A NINE 30 CONCRETE POUR OVER ON THIS OTHER PROJECT SIDE.
AND THEY FORGET TO LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES.
AND, AND AGAIN, THAT'S NOT A, THAT'S, I'M NOT MAKING AN EXCUSE FOR 'EM, BUT IT'S, IT'S A REALITY THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO GET TO THE NEXT PROJECT BECAUSE THEY HAVE OTHER INSPECTIONS THAT THEY HAVE TO MAKE.
THEY HAVE TO INSPECT STEEL BEFORE THEY POUR, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, SO WE DO HAVE THAT ISSUE AND, BUT IT'S REITERATING TO THE SUPERVISORS, THEY HAVE TO LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC CONTROL EACH DAY TO MAKE SURE IT'S IN PLACE.
I KNOW THAT ON MILLER ROAD WE'VE HAD OUR, OUR ISSUES WITH THAT.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS ALMOST HOURLY OUT THERE.
EVERY TIME CARS WENT THROUGH THERE, WE WOULD KNOCK CONES OVER, HAVE TO GO STRAIGHTEN 'EM UP.
I, I WAS TALKING TO OUR, OUR, UM, SUPERVISOR OUT THERE AND HE SAID THEY WOULD SET UP TRAFFIC CONTROL THE NIGHT BEFORE THEY'D COME BACK THE NEXT MORNING.
CONES WOULD BE TOSSED INTO THE BOTTOM OF THE CREEK VANDALS, WHATEVER, TOSSING STUFF IN THE CREEK MOVING BARRICADES JUST BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT IT WAS FUNNY.
UM, WE, WE, WE HAD PROBLEMS WITH THAT PROJECT, YOU KNOW, AND, AND EVERY DAY WAS SOMETHING NEW COMING OUT THERE FOR THE TRAFFIC CONTROL.
SO I DO KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD OUR ISSUES WITH THINGS AND, AND SOME OF IT HAS TO BE CHECKED ALMOST HOURLY IN SOME CASES.
BUT, UM, WE DO NEED TO HOLD OUR CONTRACTORS RESPONSIBLE FOR IT AS WELL.
BUT THESE ARE SOME IMPROVEMENTS
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THAT WE CAME UP WITH AS RECOMMENDATIONS.UM, AT THIS POINT, I'M GONNA STOP BEFORE WE GO TO THE PORTABLE TOILETS THERE, ANY QUESTIONS OR RECOMMENDATIONS OR REQUESTS, UM, FOR THOSE DOWN SIGNS? WHY DON'T WE JUST THROW THEM AWAY? WE COULD DO THAT.
BUT WHAT WE'VE TYPICALLY DONE, IF NO ONE CLAIMS THEM, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE COLLECTED THEM AND WE TAKE 'EM OUT.
SINCE THEY'RE NOT MARKED, WE'VE TAKEN 'EM OUT AND STREET DEPARTMENTS BECOME THE OWNER OF 'EM BECAUSE THEY'RE STILL PERFECTLY GOOD SIGNS.
IF THEY BE, IF THEY GO UNCLAIMED, WE JUST PICK 'EM UP AND TAKE 'EM AND WE, WE GET THE USE OUT OF THEM
SO IF THEY'RE NOT MARKED, THEN THEY'RE THE STREETS DEPARTMENT.
THEY, THEY BECOME OUR, THEY BECOME CITY PROPERTY PERFECT.
WE REMOVE THEM AND THEN WE, NOBODY CLAIMS 'EM IN A FEW DAYS.
AND I MEAN, I'M THINKING 24 HOURS.
UM, I HIGHLY APPRECIATE ALL OF THE TIME THAT YOU INVESTED INTO, INTO TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES.
UM, SO MY, ONE OF MY BIGGEST CONCERNS IS THAT AFTER WE'RE DONE WITH, AND I I SAY WE, I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK THAT IT'S OUR DEPARTMENTS DOING IT.
I THINK IT IS CONTRACTORS THAT ARE DOING IT, WHICH IRRITATES ME EVEN MORE, UM, IS THAT THEY WILL LEAVE THESE TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES SPREAD THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
WHETHER THAT'S THEY A CAR HIT IT AND IT FLEW OVER OR WHATEVER IT IS, THEY JUST LEAVE IT.
I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW ON MILLER, BETWEEN PATRICIA AND SHILOH, THERE ARE FOUR SIGNS THAT HAVE BEEN ON THEIR TURNED OVER AND THEY HAVE BEEN THAT WAY FOR SIX MONTHS.
SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT IRRITATE THE LIFE OUT OF ME.
UM, OFF OF SHILOH AND BUCKINGHAM, IF YOU'RE COMING SOUTH ON SHILOH AND YOU'RE AT THAT LIGHT AT BUCKINGHAM, IF YOU LOOK TO THE RIGHT, THERE ARE PROBABLY FOUR OR FIVE OF THOSE BARRELS THAT HAVE ALSO BEEN OVER IN THAT GRASSY AREA FOR PROBABLY ANOTHER FIVE TO SIX MONTHS.
SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT, THAT IRRITATE ME ABOUT TRAFFIC CONTROLLED DEVICES IS THAT THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT COLLECTING THEM IF THEY'RE NOT IN THE STREET.
BECAUSE IT'S, I MEAN, IT GIVES THIS, IT GIVES THIS IDEA THAT WE'RE CONSTANTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION, BUT WE'RE NOT.
YOU KNOW, AND SO WE ALREADY HAVE PEOPLE THAT COMPLAIN NONSTOP ABOUT OUR STREETS OR THERE'S CONSTRUCTION ON EVERY, EVERY ROAD ON MY WAY TO WORK.
WELL, THERE'S PROBABLY REALLY NOT.
WE JUST, OUR CONTRACTORS JUST LEAVE THEIR SIGNS.
SO I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US REQUIRE, UM, THE, THE NAME AND NUMBERS ON ALL SIGNS.
I, I THINK THAT WOULD HOLD PEOPLE A LITTLE MORE ACCOUNTABLE.
UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, PART OF, PART OF THE LAST FINAL INSPECTION IS ARE ALL OF THESE DEVICES PICKED UP? UM, AND I, I AM A FAN OF FINDING COMPANIES THAT CHOOSE TO LEAVE THEIR TRASH CONTROL DEVICES AROUND THE TOWN.
UM, 'CAUSE I, I FEEL LIKE JUST AS A WHOLE, THEY DO ENOUGH TO, WE'RE PAYING THEM GOOD MONEY TO DO A JOB.
AND PART OF THAT JOB IS TO CLEAN UP YOUR, YOUR SITE.
AND SO THAT IS MY THOUGHT ON THAT.
UM, PUTTING THE, PUTTING THE OWNER'S NAME AND PHONE NUMBER, I THINK THAT'S GONNA GO A LONG WAYS.
AT LEAST WE, THERE'S NO MORE FINGER POINTING.
THAT'S YOUR, THAT'S YOUR PERIL.
THIS IS WELL THOUGHT OUT LIST.
AND, UH, AS FAR AS FINDING PEOPLE FOR LEAVING THE SITE, UH, NOT CLEANING UP THE, THE DEBRIS, IS THAT COMMON OR IS, UH, DOES, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE DO IN CITIES THAT I CAN'T, I DON'T, I DO NOT KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
UM, BUT WHAT WE CAN DO IS, AGAIN, WITH THE NAME AND THE PHONE NUMBER ON THE BACKS OF THE SIGNS, I THINK THAT'S GONNA HELP US STREAMLINE GETTING THEM SURE.
NO, YOUR NAME'S ON THE BACK OF IT.
YOU NEED TO COME GET YOUR SIGNS.
IF YOU'RE NOT PICKING 'EM UP 24 HOURS, THEY BECOME CITY PROPERTY.
AND, AND YOU KNOW, AND, AND MAYBE THAT'S, MAYBE THAT'S THE START.
AND THEN IF, IF WE CONTINUE TO FIND THAT, THAT PEOPLE ARE STILL LEAVING SIGNS AND THEY DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT THE COST OF REPLACING ALL OF THEIR SIGNS, MAYBE AT THAT TIME WE CAN DISCUSS A FINE.
BUT I WOULD, LET'S LET'S START WITH TRYING TO GET EVERYBODY'S NAMES ON THE BACK AND I THINK WE CAN SOLVE A LOT OF THESE
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PROBLEMS. 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE JUST TOO LAZY TO COME PICK 'EM UP.SOME ATMO WAS WORKING OVER, THAT'S THEIR SIGN.
WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY, YOU THINK THEY'RE PRETTY EXPENSIVE.
I MEAN THAT'S, THEY'D WANNA PICK 'EM UP AND I WOULD THINK SO.
IF THEY, IF THEY'RE REQUIRED TO PUT THEIR NAME AND IDENTIFYING INFORMATION ON ANYTHING, DOES, DOES THAT CHANGE THE WAY THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH PERSONAL PROPERTY? I MEAN, DOES IT BECOME MR, MR. CITY ATTORNEY
SO IF THEY EVER GET STOLEN YOU CAN GO TO A PAWN SHOP AND SAY, HEY, THAT'S MINE.
SO, UM, DOESN'T THAT KIND OF CHANGE THE WAY THAT THEY CAN? I MEAN IF WE, IF WE TAKE THE CONES AND SIGNS AND SAY, HERE YOU GO STREET'S DEPARTMENT, YOU CAN USE THESE MEAN WELL AS A YEAH AS A TECHNICAL MATTER.
ANY ABANDONED PROPERTY THAT WE PICK UP, YOU KNOW, THE RISKIEST THING WE CAN DO, AND I'M NOT SAYING IT'S A HUGE RISK THAT THAT HAS A LOT OF IMPACT ON THE CITY, BUT THE RISKIEST THING WE CAN DO IS PICK 'EM UP AND THROW 'EM AWAY.
UM, BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE THROWING AWAY THIS PROPERTY THAT WE HAVE A GUY THAT WE MAY NOT KNOW THE EXACT OWNER, BUT WE KNOW WHO WAS WORKING IN THE AREA.
THE BEST THING, I MEAN, HONESTLY THE, WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW, COLLECTING THEM AND USING THEM.
IF SOMEBODY SHOWED UP, I'M CERTAIN AT TRANSPORTATION AND SAID, HEY, I LEFT, WE LEFT THESE 10 SIGNS OUT THERE, IT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING YOU HAVE THEM, THEN I'M CERTAIN WE WOULD WORK WITH THEM TO GET 'EM BACK.
BUT AS FAR AS RIGHTS FOR PERSONAL PROPERTY, IT MAKES US, IT MAKES US EASIER TO IDENTIFY IF THEY SHOW UP AND SAY, HEY, I KNOW Y'ALL PICKED OUR SIGNS UP.
WE COULD THEN GO INTO OUR INVENTORY AND SAY, YEP, HERE, HERE ARE THEIR SIGNS.
I GUESS ON TO, UH, PORTABLE RESTROOMS. YES.
SO THEN WITH THAT, WOULD YOU BE COMFORTABLE REPORTING OUT ON THIS ITEM AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION AVAILABLE? THINK, I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE, WOULD THIS BE OUR RECOMMENDATION? YES.
UM, I'LL PERFECTLY HONEST WITH YOU, I REALLY NEVER THOUGHT I'D BE GIVING A PRESENTATION TOILET
UM, KIND OF GAVE THE SAME LAYOUT.
I WAS TALKING TO ALL THE, ALL THE DEPARTMENTS THAT, THAT ARE, WE HAVE PROJECTS IN THE CITY, ALL OF OUR CIP PROJECTS, ALL THE STREET DEPARTMENT PROJECTS, WATER AND WASTEWATER AND TRANSPORTATION.
WHO ALL HAS TOILETS OUT THERE TYPICALLY? SO WE'LL GO THROUGH THE SAME LIST.
UM, CIP GROUP, WE REQUIRE ONE MINIMUM PER PROJECT.
UM, A LOT OF TIMES OUR LINEAR PROJECTS HAVE MULTIPLE BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO HAVE REST, YOU KNOW, OUR PORT PORTA POTTIES WITHIN A CERTAIN DISTANCE FROM EACH OTHER TO MAKE SURE ALL THE WORKERS HAVE, UM, AVAILABILITY.
UH, THEY'RE ALL, THEY'RE SERVICED TYPICALLY ONCE A WEEK AND WE MOVE 'EM PROBABLY EVERY TWO TO THREE WEEKS.
THEY GET MOVED ON ON MOST OF OUR PROJECTS.
AND, UM, DO WE MOVE THEM DUE TO CUSTOMER COMPLAINTS? YES.
SOMEBODY DOESN'T WANT IT THERE, WE'LL MOVE IT DOWN A BLOCK OR TWO, BUT STILL TRY TO KEEP IT CLOSE.
AND, AND WE'LL USUALLY WORK WITH THE CUSTOMER, YOU KNOW, THE COMPLAINING, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS OR WHATEVER THAT DON'T WANT IT NEXT TO THEIR PROPERTY.
THIS IS OUR, THESE ARE OF COURSE OUR, OUR, UM, UTILITY COMPANIES.
AGAIN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY ON SITE MOST OF THE TIME.
ATMOS IS ABOUT THE ONLY ONE THAT'LL PUT ONE OUT THERE.
IF THEY HAVE A, A BIG PROJECT GOING, THEY'RE REPLACING A BUNCH OF LINES THROUGHOUT A SUBDIVISION.
THEY MIGHT HAVE SOME PORTABLE TOILETS OUT THERE ALONG IN, IN THE SUBDIVISION DURING THEIR CONSTRUCTION.
'CAUSE THEY WILL BE OUT THERE FOR A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME, USUALLY FOUR TO 6, 8, 10 WEEKS, THEY MIGHT HAVE A PROJECT GOING.
SO IN THOSE CASES, THERE MIGHT BE SOME THROUGHOUT THE SUBDIVISION WHERE THEY'RE WORKING.
UM, STREETS, CIP AND OP, YOU KNOW, OPERATIONS, I LUMP THOSE TOGETHER.
THEY, THEY HAVE ONE, UH, PORTABLE TOILET PER 10 MAN CREW.
UM, AND THEN THEY, THEY SERVICE THEIRS EVERY TUESDAY AND THURSDAY.
THEY ARE MOVED AS THE PROJECT PROGRESSES.
AND YES, THEY DO THE SAME THING WE DO.
IF THEY GET A COMPLAINT FROM A CITIZEN, IT'S TOO CLOSE TO THEIR, THEY WANT IT MOVED, THEY'LL, THEY'LL MOVE IT OUT AND MOVE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE.
UM, WATER AND WASTEWATER DEPARTMENT, AGAIN, ONE MINIMUM ON THEIR LONGER PROJECTS.
AND UM, HOW OFTEN ARE THEY MOVED? TYPICALLY, THEIRS IS CENTRALLY LOCATED WHERE ONCE THEY COMPLETE THEIR WORK ON THEIR PROJECTS, UM, THEY CAN, THEY JUST MOVE IT AFTER THEY, THEY COMPLETE THE WORK.
AND AGAIN, THEY WILL MOVE IT IF THEY GET COMPLAINTS FROM PROPERTY OWNERS AS WELL.
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OPERATIONS, UH, ARE ON THE OPERATIONS SIDE.THAT WAS THE CIP, THE OPERATIONS SIDE ON WATER AND WASTEWATER IS A, UM, TYPICALLY IT'S NOT APPLICABLE.
THEY'RE OUT THERE USUALLY ON A DAILY CLOSURE AND THEY CAN FIND A RESTROOM CLOSE BY, YOU KNOW, AT A, AT A SERVICE STATION OR SOMETHING AND THEY'LL TAKE A BREAK AND GO DO THAT.
BUT FOR THE MOST PART, THEIR, THEIR OPERATIONS, THEY CAN, THEY'RE WORKING AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE CLOSING AND REOPENING AND THEY'RE IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION THE FOLLOWING DAY.
SO THEY TYPICALLY DON'T HAVE PORTABLE TOILETS.
AND THEN THE SAME THING FOR TRANSPORTATION.
IF THEIR SIGNALS, THEY'RE OUT THERE ON A DAILY OPERATION, THEY DON'T HAVE PORTABLE TOILETS.
SO REMOVAL, AND I THINK THIS IS WHERE WE GOT INTO DISCUSSION LAST TIME.
I THINK YOU MADE THE COMMENT ON MILLER ROAD, I THINK ON THE WEST SIDE OF MILLER.
WHAT I CAN SAY ABOUT THAT, I DID TALK TO OUR, UM, INSPECTION SUPERVISOR AND SOMETHING THAT I DIDN'T THINK OF THE LAST TIME WE SPOKE IS THAT A PROJECT MAY BE SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETE AND LOOK FINISHED, BUT WE MAY STILL BE WORKING WITH THE CONTRACTOR TO FINISH RAISING SOME METER CANS OR THEY GOTTA GO OUT AND PICK UP SOME MORE ROCK OR SOMETHING OUTTA SOMEBODY'S PROPERTY AND RELAY SOME SOD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND WE HAVE TO KEEP A PORTABLE TOILET OUT THERE BECAUSE THEY HAVE DIFFERENT CREWS COMING BACK TO DO WHAT THEY CALL THE FINAL PUNCH LIST ITEMS FOR A PROJECT.
AND THIS MAY TAKE 2, 3, 4 WEEKS TO FINALLY GET THROUGH ALL OF EACH CREW COMING OUT THERE AND DOING THEIR PART.
SO THEY WILL LEAVE ONE OR TWO PORTABLE TOILETS ON SITE EVEN THOUGH IT LOOKS COMPLETE.
THEY MAY STILL BE SITTING THERE.
AND I DON'T REMEMBER WHICH ONE OF YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT ABOUT THE MILLER ROAD, BUT THAT, THAT, THAT WAS MOST LIKELY THE CASE.
'CAUSE THAT PROJECT TOOK ABOUT ANOTHER SIX WEEKS TO DO THE FINAL PUNCH LIST.
THE CONTRACTOR HAD MOVED ON TO ANOTHER PROJECT IN ANOTHER CITY AND THEY WERE VERY SLOW AT GETTING THEIR PEOPLE BACK OVER HERE TO FINISH UP OUR PUNCH LIST ITEMS. SO YEAH, THAT ONE AND THAT ONE I FEEL LIKE WAS A ONE OFF.
AND IT COULD HAVE BEEN THE, THE PORTA POTTY VENDOR 'CAUSE THEY WERE ON THE SOUTH SIDE, UM, OF MILLER.
AND THEN THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW, ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE BY THE WALMART IS A RANDOM PORTA-POTTY.
NOBODY HAD BEEN DOING WORK OVER THERE AND NO ONE WAS GOING TO DO WORK OVER THERE.
SO IT WAS LIKE, WHERE THE, WHERE DID THIS PORT POTTY COME FROM? JUST, WE'RE JUST DROPPING THEM WHEREVER AT THIS POINT.
UM, I WILL SAY AFTER OUR LABOR DAY CAR SHOW, UM, WE USED VIKING FOR, UM, TO RENT PORTA POTTIES.
AND AT THAT MOMENT I REALIZED THEY QUITE LITERALLY WILL JUST DROP THEM WHEREVER THEY DON'T, UM, PAY THE BEST ATTENTION TO WHERE THEY'RE GOING.
SO SOMEONE UM, IN GARLAND GOT A RANDOM PORTA-POTTY DELIVERY THAT WAS NOT WHERE IT WAS INTENDED TO BE.
SO, UM, I I, I DO NOW UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS, IT WAS PROBABLY A, A MISHAP ON THE, THE COMPANY RENTING THE PORTA POTTY.
SO I WILL, I WILL SAY IF, IF THERE SEEMS TO BE ONE JUST KIND OF IN NO MAN'S LAND ON A PROJECT THAT THEY MAY HAVE NOT FORGOT TO PICK IT UP, IT MAY JUST BE THAT THEY'RE DOING THE FINAL PUNCH LIST ITEMS. BUT UM, WITH THAT BEING SAID, IN, IN TALKING WITH THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS, USUALLY AFTER OUR FINAL WALKTHROUGH, THE VERY FINAL INSPECTION, THE CONTRACTOR WILL SEND SOMEBODY OUT USUALLY WITHIN A DAY OR TWO TO PICK THOSE UP.
'CAUSE THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY RENTING THOSE AND PAYING FOR 'EM AND THEY REALLY DON'T WANNA PAY FOR A PORTA-POTTY STILL ON A SITE THAT NOBODY'S WORKING OUT THERE.
THAT'S, THAT'S JUST MONEY OUT OF THEIR POCKET.
SO, UM, BUT USUALLY AFTER FINAL WALKTHROUGH ON OUR PROJECTS, I KNOW THAT STREETS SAYS UPON, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE REMOVED UPON COMPLETION OF THEIR PROJECTS, THEY REMOVE THEM ONCE THEIR CREWS ARE OFF, EVEN IF THEY HAVE TO GO BACK AND CLEAN UP.
IT'S USUALLY REAL QUICK CLEAN UP THINGS AND THEY DON'T LEAVE ONE OUT THERE.
AND THEN THE SAME WITH THE WATER AND THE WASTEWATER DEPARTMENT.
UM, SO AGAIN, THE CITY CON CONTRACTS WITH RENTAL COMPANIES AS WELL AS OUR CONTRACTORS.
SO MOST OF THESE ARE ALL RENTED.
THERE'S NOT VERY MANY CONTRACTORS THAT OWN THEIR OWN PORTA-POTTIES.
SOME LARGER COMPANIES MIGHT, BUT IN MOST CASES THE CONTRACTORS WE WORK WITH, THEY ALL LEASE 'EM JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.
UM, SO I SHOWED THIS A LITTLE BIT LAST TIME.
THIS IS REALLY THE ONLY INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE.
THIS IS PART OF OUR STORM WATER POLLUTION PREVENTION, BEST PRACTICE, BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES.
AND THIS IS THE ONLY THING THAT I KNOW OF IN THE CITY THAT TALKS ABOUT PORTABLE TOILETS.
UM, THERE MIGHT BE SOME OTHER ORDINANCES OUT THERE, BUT THIS IS IN REFERENCE TO STORM WATER.
THEY CAN'T BE WITHIN SO CLOSE TO AN INLET OR A STORM DRAIN.
AND IF THEY'RE UNABLE TO MEET THAT, THEN THEY HAVE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF CONTAINMENT SYSTEM AROUND IT.
AND IT JUST SAYS PORTABLE TOILETS SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, SERVICED REGULARLY.
SO THERE'S NOTHING THAT SAYS IT HAS TO BE SERVICED X NUMBER OF TIMES A WEEK OR ONCE A WEEK OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IT'S USUALLY LEFT UP TO THE COMPANY THAT'S LEASING THEM.
THEY TYPICALLY HAVE A SERVICE THAT'S PART OF
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THEIR CONTRACT.WE WILL SERVICE ONCE A WEEK UNLESS NOTIFIED THAT YOU NEED IT MORE.
SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING AS FAR AS A RECOMMENDATION IS ADDING LANGUAGE TO OUR CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTS CONCERNING THE TIMELY REMOVAL OF THESE PORTABLE TOILETS THAT, UM, WOULD BE COMPLETE AFTER X NUMBER OF DAYS THROUGH THE, AFTER THE FINAL WALKTHROUGH ON A PROJECT SO THAT WE GET 'EM REMOVED IN A TIMELY MANNER.
AND THEY DON'T JUST SIT OUT THERE.
AND THEN IF THEY DO, THEN WE AT LEAST WE CAN CALL THE COMPANY THAT'S ON THE, ON THE SIDE AND THEIR NAME AND PHONE NUMBER AND 'CAUSE MOST OF 'EM HAVE IT ON THERE THAT WE CAN HAVE 'EM COME PICK 'EM UP.
BUT THIS IS WHAT OUR RECOMMENDATION IS.
HAVE SOMETHING IN THE CONTRACT, HOLD THE CONTRACT RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING THAT CALL AND GETTING THEM REMOVED.
ALRIGHT THEN THAT'LL BE OUR RECOMMENDATION.
WE ALL LEARNED MORE ABOUT FOR BODIES TODAY.
THOUGHT WE WANTED TO, I WAS TEMPTED TO TAKE A PICTURE OF YOU GIVING THE PRESENTATION SO YOU COULD ADD IT TO YOUR, ADD TO THE, ADD THAT TO THE LINKEDIN.
THIS IS A SCOPING DISCUSSION ABOUT EXPLORING AN ORDINANCE, ESTABLISHING A QUIET ZONE FOR LOUD VEHICLES IN DOWNTOWN.
THIS WAS, UH, REFERRED BY COUNCIL MEMBER BEARD AT THE OCTOBER 6TH WORK SESSION.
AND WE HAVE CHIEF HERE TO GIVE US A PRESENTATION OR TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING, GET AN UNDER, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING AS EXCITING AS PORTA-POTTIES,
SO I WANTED TO KIND OF HEAR, UH, WHAT DIRECTION YOU'D LIKE US TO GO.
I, I CAN INFORM YOU OF WHAT FORT WORTH IS DOING.
SO I WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE ON, 'CAUSE I SAW THE NEW STORY AND I TALKED TO FORT WORTH, BUT, UH, MAN, UNDERSTAND THE ECONOMICS OF SCALE WHEN IT COMES TO FORT WORTH.
YOU KNOW, FORT WORTH HAS 1.8 OFFICERS PER 1000.
IT WOULD TAKE US A HUNDRED MORE OFFICERS TO GET TO THAT 1.8 LEVEL.
AND SO FORT WORTH HAS A, AN ENTIRE UNIT OF POLICE OFFICERS THAT IS DEDICATED JUST TO THEIR DOWNTOWN AREA.
AND SO WHAT THEY'VE DONE IS ANNOUNCED THIS NEW INITIATIVE, THERE'S NO NEW LAWS, UH, THERE'S NO NEW ORDINANCES THAT THEY'RE DOING.
THE ORDINANCES ARE ON THE BOOKS, THE SAME ORDINANCES AND THE SAME LAWS THAT WE HAVE.
BUT THEY ARE ANNOUNCING A NEW INITIATIVE WHERE THOSE DOWNTOWN OFFICERS ARE GONNA INCREASE ENFORCEMENT ON NOISE VIOLATIONS, ON VEHICLE VIOLATIONS.
UM, AND THAT'S JUST GONNA BE THEIR CONCENTRATED EFFORT.
SO THEY HAD A EDUCATION CAMPAIGN, WHICH WAS PART OF THE, THE MEDIA ROLLOUT.
THEN THEY'RE ADDING SIGNS AND THEN COMES THE ENFORCEMENT.
THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THEIR PROGRAM IS.
I'LL ALSO MENTION WE DO PROJECTS LIKE THAT.
UH, WE DO PROJECTS WHERE WE FOCUS ON ONE SPECIFIC PROBLEM.
UH, WE MAY PUT TOGETHER A SMALL TASK FORCE.
WE JUST DON'T HAVE THAT DEDICATION OF OFFICERS THAT ARE DOWNTOWN ALL THE TIME THAT WE CAN SAY, OKAY, THIS IS YOUR NEW PRIORITY.
IS IS, UH, IS NOISE ENFORCEMENTS? UM, WE DO IT THROUGH KIND OF TASK FORCE OPERATIONS.
UM, UH, THAT WAS MY BIG ISSUE IS, OKAY, IF WE DID DO SOMETHING, HOW DO WE ENFORCE IT? HOW DO WE, 'CAUSE I KNOW WE ARE LEAN AND MEAN AND YES, IT IS VERY ANNOYING.
IT IS VERY DISRUPTIVE TO HAVE THOSE MODIFIED MUFFLER SYSTEMS COMING THROUGH DOWNTOWN, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'VE GOT AN EVENT GOING ON.
WE HAVE DOWNTOWN RESIDENTS NOW.
UM, AND WE WANT OUR DOWNTOWN TO SHINE, NOT TO SOUND LIKE, YOU KNOW, A NASCAR RACE.
UM, BUT THEN HOW DO WE ENFORCE IT AND DO WE HAVE THE MANPOWER TO ENFORCE IT? AND SO I WANTED IT KINDA LOOKED AT JUST TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANYTHING WE COULD DO.
UM, BUT MAYBE SOME SPOT CHECK OR SOME SPOT ENFORCEMENT DURING FESTIVALS OR EVENTS.
I KNOW SOMETIMES THOSE STREETS ARE CLOSED, BUT THAT IS VERY DISRUPTIVE.
LIKE WHEN MAIN STREET IS STILL OPEN AND IT'S LIKE A GANG WILL COME THROUGH LIKE, YOU KNOW, SIX OR EIGHT CARS OR THEY'LL START MAKING THE BLOCK JUST TO DISRUPT WHAT'S GOING ON ON THE SQUARE.
THEY'RE NOT TECHNICALLY BREAKING ANY LAWS, BUT THEY'RE BEING DISRUPTIVE.
AND I THINK THAT'S MY ISSUE THERE.
UM, BECAUSE I, NO, WE DO NOT HAVE THE OFFICERS, THE MANPOWER TO
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ENFORCE 24 7, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SEE WHAT WE BRAINSTORM AND SEE WHAT WE COULD DO IF WE COULD ADDRESS SOME OF THAT.AND IT IS A MATTER OF JUST PRIORITIZING, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE THE RACER ISSUE, SO WE'RE GONNA PRIORITIZE THE RACERS OR WE MAY HAVE A CERTAIN CRIME THAT'S OCCURRING AND WE'RE GONNA PUT RESOURCES TO THAT.
IT IS JUST A MATTER OF, UH, HEARING FROM COUNSEL THAT THIS IS A HIGH PRIORITY AND US PRIORITIZING THE ENFORCEMENT, ESPECIALLY IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, UH, OF THE EXISTING LAWS IS HOW WE ADDRESS IT.
IT WOULDN'T BE SOMETHING, IT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE'D HAVE TO DRESS IN PERIODS.
UM, WE COULD MAKE A FOCUS DURING THOSE EVENTS.
UH, BUT YES, ABSOLUTELY WE CAN, WELL DURING ONE OF THE WINE WALKS, BEER BUMBLE, I DON'T REMEMBER WHICH EVENT WE WERE JUST, YOU KNOW, NONE OF THE STREETS WERE CLOSED FOR THAT EVENT, BUT IT WAS A BIG EVENT AND THE SAME THREE VEHICLES CAME UP AND DOWN MAIN STREET LIKE SIX TIMES WHILE WE WERE OUT THERE.
SO WITHIN LIKE A TWO HOUR PERIOD, THESE SAME VEHICLES CAME BACK AND FORTH AND IT WAS BASICALLY JUST TO MAKE NOISE.
AND WE GET THE SAME COMPLAINTS IN NEIGHBORHOODS AND, AND OTHER AREAS.
IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE FOCUS ON, BUT UH, BUT A SPECIFIC TASK FORCE FOCUS, WE'VE NOT DONE JUST TO, TO ADDRESS THAT IN THIS AREA.
SO IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DEFINITELY DO.
YEAH, AFTER I READ ALL OF THIS AND JUST, IT'S LIKE, OKAY, NOW HOW WOULD WE DO THAT? THAT'S MY BIG QUESTION.
AND THEN WHEN WOULD WE NEED, AND SO I, MY THOUGHT MY SUGGESTION WOULD JUST BE IF WE COULD HAVE ONE OFFICER DURING SOME OF THESE EVENTS THAT COULD JUST CHASE THOSE PEOPLE DOWN AND DEAL WITH, WITH IT THEN AND NOT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT'S MANAGEABLE AND MAYBE IF THEY GET THE HINT THAT IT'S NOT ALLOWED DURING THOSE DAYS, IT'S NOT ALLOWED OTHER DAYS EITHER.
WHAT'S MY QUESTION? IT'S NOT JUST SPECIAL EVENTS.
YEAH, I KNOW, BUT THAT'S WHEN IT TENDS TO YEAH, I'M DOWN HERE ALL THE TIME.
AND SITTING OUTSIDE AT FORTUNATE SUN, IS IT, I MEAN PEOPLE PUR PURPOSEFULLY REV THEIR ENGINES AS THEY PASS BY BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT PEOPLE ARE SITTING OUT THERE.
AND, UM, AS WE GET MORE OUTSIDE, UH, VENUES THAT HAVE SIMILAR SCOPE, UM, IT'S JUST GONNA BE THE SAME THING.
SO, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, I MEAN, WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO PRIORITIZE THAT, UM, NOISE ENFORCEMENT DURING THE WEEKENDS, MAYBE
I KNOW IT WON'T HAPPEN ALL AT ONCE AND I'M NOT EXPECTING IT TO, UM, LIKE YOU SAID, THERE'S, THERE'S DEFINITELY MORE MONEY AND MANPOWER IN FORT WORTH TO DO WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
UM, BUT EVEN IF WE HAD SOME SIGNS THAT JUST, I MEAN, WE HAVE ORDINANCES ON THE BOOKS THAT SAY YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
SO, UM, MAYBE IT'S ALSO A PUBLIC AWARENESS CAMPAIGN OF SORTS.
AND I, I THINK I'VE MENTIONED TO COUNCIL BEFORE, BUT WE MEET EVERY, EVERY SEVERAL TIMES A WEEK A MONTH TO TALK ABOUT OUR PRIORITIES FOR THE WEEK.
AND I DON'T THINK WE'VE HAD, WE'VE ALWAYS HAD IT AS A PRIORITY TO ADDRESS IT AS YOU HEAR IT, BUT A CONCENTRATED EFFORT IN A LOCALIZED LOCATION JUST ON THIS ISSUE.
SO WE'RE GONNA, WE'LL ROLL THAT OUT AND LET'S SEE WHAT KIND OF IMPACT IT HAS.
AND THEN IF YOU WANNA EXPAND THAT TO THE ENTIRE CITY, I'M GAME TWO.
SO
AND, AND SO IT'S, IT'S A MATTER OF HOW WE, HOW WE PUT THE RESOURCES WE HAVE.
SO YOU GUYS RECENTLY, UM, FOCUSED ON STOP SIGN RUNNERS DOWNTOWN.
UM, SO I, I WOULD ENVISION THAT THIS WOULD KIND OF BE THE SAME STRATEGY ISH.
IT IT WOULD BE SIMILAR, UH, THAT THAT FOCUS WAS WITH OUR TRAFFIC UNIT.
I WOULD NOT DO THIS WITH OUR TRAFFIC UNIT.
I WOULD PROBABLY DO THIS WITH EITHER THE NPOS OR TO HIRE OVERTIME TO ADDRESS THIS SPECIFIC ISSUE.
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SURE.BUT, UH, BEING THAT WE'RE GONNA START PROBABLY ON THE NIGHTS OF EVENTS, I WOULD PROBABLY HIRE A COUPLE OF EXTRA OFFICERS OVERTIME JUST TO, JUST TO FOCUS ON THIS SO WE'RE NOT PULLING THEM TO ANSWER A CALL OR TO, TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.
SO IN MY OPINION, I WOULD SAY THURSDAY, FRIDAY, SATURDAY NIGHTS,
I MEAN, AND NOT, NOT, NOT CONSECUTIVELY, BUT UM, THOSE I THINK WERE THE MAIN NIGHTS WHERE THERE'S A TRUCK GANG, I GUESS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'D CALL THEM, THAT THEY REALLY ENJOY THEMSELVES.
UM, AND THEY HAVE THE, THE MUSIC THAT COMES, IT'S NOT IN THEIR CAR'S ON THE OUTSIDE.
WHY DOES EVERYONE NEED TO HEAR YOUR MUSIC? I DON'T KNOW.
BUT THAT IS WHAT THEY DO IS THEY WILL, THEY WILL JUST CIRCLE THIS SQUARE AND CIRCLE THIS SQUARE.
SO WITH LIKE THE STOP SIGN ENFORCEMENT THAT YOU GUYS DID DOWNTOWN, IT, IT TOOK ABOUT THREE DAYS FOR EVERYONE IN THEIR GRANDMA TO SAY, DON'T RUN THE STOP SIGNS.
MAKE SURE YOU MAKE SURE YOU STOP BEHIND THE WHITE BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA GET YOU.
AND SO IT, IT WAS VERY QUICKLY KNOWN THAT GPD IS ENFORCING THE STOP SIGNS AND WHERE YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO STOP.
I, I MUST HAVE HAD ABOUT 45 PEOPLE TELL ME, MAKE SURE YOU STOP BEHIND THE WHITE.
I'M LIKE, WELL I DON'T EVEN SEE THE WHITE LINE STILL, BUT THANK YOU.
SO NOW I AM MORE COGNITIVE ABOUT WHERE I'M STOPPING DOWNTOWN BECAUSE WORD OF MOUTH I DID NOT GET PULLED OVER.
BUT BECAUSE OF EVERYONE ELSE SAYING, YOU KNOW, HEY, THEY'RE OUT ENFORCING.
AND SO I THINK THAT THIS COULD BE ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WORD OF MOUTH WILL HELP MORE THAN ANYTHING.
GIVE A FEW PEOPLE SOME TICKETS ON A THURSDAY, FRIDAY, SATURDAY AND IT A COUPLE TICKETS AND THEY'LL FIGURE IT OUT.
WELL IF, UH, IF THE COMMITTEE IS GOOD WITH THIS, LET ME, UH, LET'S, WE'LL PUT TOGETHER A TASK FORCE.
I CAN COME BACK TO THE COMMITTEE IN MAYBE SIX MONTHS AND LET'S TALK ABOUT THE RESULTS OF WHAT YOU'RE SEEING AND I'LL TALK ABOUT HOW MANY CITATIONS AND WHAT WE WERE SEEING.
THAT SOUND GOOD TO ME? ALRIGHT.
I'M GONNA LET IT LET Y'ALL DECIDE HOW TO DO IT.
'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO IT.
THAT WAS MY, SO THOSE WERE MY BIG QUESTIONS ON HOW, HOW WE DO THIS AND 'CAUSE YEAH.
WE DON'T HAVE, BECAUSE I, I LOOKED INTO THAT TOO.
HOW MANY OFFICERS DO WE HAVE? HOW MANY OFFICERS DO THEY HAVE? WHAT IS IT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THEIR DOWNTOWN LIKE COMPARED TO OUR DOWNTOWN? IT SOUNDS WONDERFUL.
I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE IT FULL BLOWN LIKE THEY DO, BUT HOW DO WE DO THAT? AND WE HAD A WHOLE BUNCH OF OFFICERS AND IT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING I CAN'T DECIDE.
ALRIGHT, SO WE ARE AS OF AT 9 43, WE'RE ADJOURNED.