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COMMITTEE MEETING.WE'VE GOT CHRIS BEARD AND JEFF BASS WITH US.
HOPEFULLY WE'RE GONNA HAVE A SHORT MEETING, SO EVERYONE, Y'ALL HEAR ME, MAKE IT QUICK.
UM, FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF OUR OCTOBER 23RD MEETING.
UM, COUNSEL, DID YOU HAVE, UM, THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK OVER THOSE MINUTES? YES.
AND I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED.
WE MOST DEFINITELY DO NOT HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS EVER, UM, IN COMMITTEES, SO PLEASE FEEL FREE TO JOIN US.
UM, ITEM THREE, INDIVIDUAL ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION.
UM, WE ARE GOING TO DO A LITTLE FLIP FLOP AND WE'RE GONNA MOVE TO THREE B, WHICH IS CIVIL PENALTIES FOR CODE COMPLIANCE ISSUES.
AND WE HAVE MR. BRIAN AND MR. CHRIS HERE WITH CODE WITH OUR CODE DEPARTMENT TO KIND OF TALK TO US ABOUT THIS.
BRIAN MORRIS, UH, DIRECTOR OF CODE COMPLIANCE.
GREAT TO BE HERE WITH YOU THIS MORNING TO DISCUSS CIVIL CITATIONS IN CIVIL ENFORCEMENT.
UH, SO THIS IS A PROGRAM WE WOULD LIKE FOR, TO GET SOME FEEDBACK FOR ROLLING OUT.
UH, FOR US IT'S GONNA BE A, A GAME CHANGER FORCE.
IT'S GONNA CREATE A LOT OF EFFICIENCIES AROUND HOW WE ENFORCE IN SIGHT.
UH, IT WOULD COVER APPROXIMATELY 60% OF OUR VIOLATIONS.
SO, UH, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO STREAMLINE THE PROCESS AND NOT NECESSARILY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE CRIMINAL PROCESS FOR THESE VIOLATIONS, WHICH COULD TAKE MONTHS VERSUS WEEKS.
AND SO WE'LL JUST GO THROUGH HERE BRIEFLY, A FEW OF THE HIGH LEVEL POINTS THAT WE WANT TO THROW OUT FOR CONSIDERATION AND FEEDBACK.
UH, SO THIS HAS BEEN BEFORE THE COMMITTEE ON JANUARY 3RD, 2025 AND DECEMBER 5TH.
UH, SO I THINK YOU GUYS ARE SOMEWHAT FAMILIAR WITH THE PROCESS AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
IT'S VERY SIMILAR IN STRUCTURE TO THE MARSHALLS, UH, PARKING ENFORCEMENT PROGRAM.
IT'S A QUASI-JUDICIAL, UH, HEARING OFFICER THAT WILL HEAR THE CASES VERSUS A JUDGE.
UH, WE HAVE SOME ORDINANCE REVISIONS THAT WILL BE FOR, AVAILABLE FOR YOUR REVIEW.
UH, SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE REALLY, REALLY LOVE ABOUT THE PROGRAM IS THE EFFICIENCY, PARTICULARLY ONCE WE INCORPORATE, UH, SALESFORCE.
UH, IT BASICALLY, IT GOES INTO A CLICK OF A BUTTON.
SO ONCE WE ISSUE A NOTICE OF VIOLATION, OF COURSE THEY ALWAYS GET A CHANCE TO, UH, COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITHIN THE GIVEN TIMEFRAME.
UH, BUT THEN THE INSPECTOR CAN JUST BASICALLY CLICK A BUTTON AND SEND THIS TO THE CIVIL PROCESS.
SO VERY, VERY EFFICIENT, UH, VERSUS THE CRIMINAL CITATION PROCESS, WHICH INVOLVES CREATING A PCA, WHICH IS A, UM, PROBABLE CAUSE, PROBABLE CAUSE AFFIDAVIT.
UH, SO IT TAKES A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME, A LITTLE BIT MORE PROCESSING.
SO THIS IS A, A HUGE EFFICIENCY SAVER FOR US AND FOR THE COURTS.
UM, IF WE JUST CONSERVATIVELY SAVE 10 TO 15% OF TIME, UH, IT JUST, IT'S EXPONENTIALLY ADDS ONTO WHAT WE CAN DO AND IT SAVES TIME FOR THE COURSE AS WELL.
SO NOT ONLY DOES IT STREAMLINE OUR PROCESSES, BUT IT ALLOWS THEM TO HANDLE MORE PRIORITY CASES THAT TAKE A LARGE AMOUNT OF TIME TO PROCESS AND, AND GO THROUGH TO GET TO A RESOLUTION VERSUS A TALL GRASS COMPLAINT, WHICH CAN BE HANDLED THROUGH THE CIVIL PROCESS.
UH, SO THERE ARE A LOT OF BENEFITS WITH THIS.
UM, AND HERE, SO WE'LL JUST GO THROUGH A FEW OF THE MOST COMMON, UM, MOST COMMON VIOLATIONS.
SO ONE OF THE RULES WITH THE, THE CIVIL CITATION IS THAT THEY ALL HAVE TO BE BASICALLY WHERE YOU CAN JUST TAKE A PICTURE AND SEE IT, NO TESTIMONY WHATSOEVER NEEDED.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CAN CLEARLY BE SEEN AND TIED TO AN ORDINANCE, UM, WHERE THE HEARING OFFICER CAN VIEW THE PICTURE, SEE IT'S A VIOLATION, AND ADJUDICATE THE CASE.
SO HERE ARE JUST A FEW OF THE, SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT WE'LL BE ENFORCING.
OF COURSE, HIGH GRASS GRAFFITI, UNSTRUCTURED UNSECURED STRUCTURE, ACCESSORY BUILDING MAINTENANCE, UH, THINGS THAT ARE EASILY OBSERVABLE WITH THE, WITH THE NAKED EYE.
UM, JUNK VEHICLES OPEN WELL OUTSIDE AUTO REPAIR, OUTSIDE STORAGE, OUTSIDE STORAGE DISPLAY, AND SIMILAR VIOLATIONS.
UM, SOME THAT ARE, ARE A LITTLE BIT ON THE EDGE.
POTABLE WATER LEAKS, WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T SEND IN THAT THROUGH A CIVIL CITATION JUST BECAUSE IT'S NOT AS EASY JUST TO SEE WITH A PICTURE OR TWO.
SO TRASHING LITTER, OF COURSE, THAT'S A, THAT'S A PRETTY OBVIOUS ONE THAT CAN EASILY BE ADJUDICATED.
UM, ALRIGHT, SO THE FINE STRUCTURE.
THIS IS NOT MEANT TO BE PUNITIVE.
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WE WANT THIS TO, UH, BE SOMETHING THAT CAN BE EASILY, UH, AFFORDED BY THE RESIDENTS.UH, IT'S JUST AN ADDITIONAL MEASURE TO GAIN COMPLIANCE.
SO OUR INITIAL OFFENSE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING, UH, IS $25 FOR RESIDENTIAL.
WE HAVE A DIFFERENT FEE STRUCTURE FOR COMMERCIAL AND FOR RESIDENTIAL.
UH, FIRST OFFENSE, SECOND OFFENSE, IT RISES TO 50, UH, THIRD OFFENSE RISES TO 75.
AND ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, WE DECIDED TO GO A LITTLE BIT HIGHER.
WE'RE PROPOSING TO GO A LITTLE BIT HIGHER, UH, BECAUSE WE WANNA MAKE IT SOMETHING THAT THEY WILL RECOGNIZE AS A DETERRENT AND NOT JUST A COST OF DOING BUSINESS.
SO FOR THAT, THE INITIAL OFFENSE, OFFENSE IS 100.
UH, SECOND OFFENSE WILL BE ONE 50, AND THE THIRD OFFENSE PLUS IS 200.
UH, SO IF YOU COMPARE THIS WITH OUR CITY OF GARDEN CRIMINAL COURT, UH, FINES, THEY'RE UP TO 502,000 MAX.
SO THIS IS REALLY A REDUCTION, POTENTIAL REDUCTION, BUT WE GAIN FORWARD BECAUSE WE'RE NOT, AGAIN, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO GAIN REVENUE, WE'RE TRYING TO GAIN COMPLIANCE.
THAT'S WHERE THAT'S REALLY OUR, OUR PRIMARY GOAL.
AND SO, UH, IF WE CAN SPEED UP THAT PROCESS TO GET THIS PERSON IN FRONT OF A HEARING OFFICER IN TWO WEEKS VERSUS TWO MONTHS, UH, WE FEEL LIKE WE'VE GAINED A LOT ON THE EFFICIENCY SIDE WHEN IT COMES TO THAT.
CITY OF GRAND PRAIRIE HAS A SIMILAR PROGRAM WHERE THE FIRST OFFENSE IS 35 AND IT INCREASES BY 85 EACH OCCURRENCE.
SO WE'RE RIGHT WITHIN THOSE MEASURES.
UM, AND I'VE SEEN THIS WORK IN, IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS.
UM, IN MY OPINION, THIS IS THE WAY WE'RE STRUCTURING THIS ONE IS PROBABLY THE MOST STREAMLINED THAT I'VE SEEN AS FAR AS EFFICIENCY.
UM, SO I'VE SEEN IT WORK TO GREAT EFFECT IN REDUCING THE STRAIN ON, ON CRIMINAL COURTS AND INCREASING OUR COMPLIANCE.
UM, SO REALLY THE NEXT TWO SLIDES, WE KIND OF WANTED TO SHOW THE, UH, THE OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCY THAT THE CIVIL CITATION AND, UH, CIVIL ENFORCEMENT WILL UH, TAKE.
AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE, THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS FROM THAT.
UM, APOLOGIZE, I'M GONNA READ A LITTLE BIT FROM THE SLIDES 'CAUSE WE WERE EDITING THINGS AS WE WERE
UM, BUT ANYHOW, SO YOU KNOW, WHY CIVIL PROCESS, THE FASTER RESOLUTION WITH CIVIL CITATIONS, YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO GET, UH, A MORE QUICK RESPONSE FROM, UH, FROM THE OFFENDERS.
UH, REDUCING THE MONTH LONG PROCESS.
YOU KNOW, IF THEY WANT TO GO TO COURT AND FIGHT IT THROUGH THE COURT PROCESS, THERE'S GONNA BE THE TIME, UH, TIME THAT THEY HAVE TO CALL IN.
THERE'S GONNA BE THE TIME THAT THEY HAVE TO GO TO PRETRIAL.
THERE'S GONNA BE THE TIME THAT THEY HAVE TO ACTUALLY GO BEFORE, BEFORE THE JUDGE IF THEY WANT TO GO TO ACTUAL COURT ITSELF.
UM, WE WILL BE ABLE TO REDUCE THAT, THAT TIME PROCESS.
UM, THE EFFICIENCY, EFFICIENCY OF IT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT FREES THE PROSECUTORS', COURTS OFFICERS FROM THE TIME, UH, THE TIME IT TAKES TO DO ALL OF THAT.
IT'S GONNA HELP THE, THE CLERK PROCESSING THE, UH, THE AMOUNT OF OVERLOAD THAT IS, UH, PUT ON THE COURTS THEMSELVES FOR ALL OF THE DIFFERENT CITATIONS, RIGHT? EVERYTHING WE, WE DO CURRENT STATE, IT IS A CRIMINAL, UH, OFFENSE.
SO SOMEONE HAS HIGH GRASS AND WE HAVE TO WRITE A CITATION FORM BECAUSE WE CAN'T GET IT AB DEBATED OR SOME OTHER MEANS.
UM, WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE COURT PROCESS JUST FOR THE SAME OF ANY OTHER, FOR A SPEEDING TICKET OR, OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, RIGHT? UM, SO IT ALLOWS FOR THAT EFFICIENCY.
IT DOESN'T PUT THAT STRAIN ON THE COURTS.
IT'LL PUT THE STRAIN, IT'LL, IT'LL, IT'LL KIND OF HELP OFFSET THAT.
UH, THE COST AND TIMING, LESS ADMINISTRATIVE WORK, FEWER READ CHECKS, UH, STREAMLINED HEARINGS, AND THEN QUICKER COMPLIANCE CYCLES.
UH, IDEALLY THE, YOU KNOW, WE WILL HAVE A, A MORE FAST, PREDICTABLE PENALTIES.
THEY UNDERSTAND, HEY, IF I HAVE HIGH GRASS, I'M GONNA GET THIS PENALTY.
THEY'RE GONNA WANT TO GET OUT THERE AND, AND GET THAT KNOCKED OUT BEFORE THEY JUST GET A FEE, UH, A CRIMINAL, A CIVIL AND, UH, CITATION FEE GIVEN TO 'EM.
AND THEN BALANCE ENFORCEMENT, ONCE AGAIN, CRIMINAL ACTIONS, UH, REMAIN AVAILABLE FOR SERIOUS AND HABITUAL OFFENDERS.
UM, THAT WAY IT KIND OF ALLOWS THE COURTS TO DEAL WITH THAT KIND OF STUFF.
AND THEN IT ALLOWS US TO, TO HANDLE SOME OF THE, UH, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE ISSUES AND THINGS THAT WE SEE IN A, IN A, IN A DIFFERENT MANNER.
NOW, OPERATIONALLY, THAT'S HOW IT HELPS US.
HOW DOES IT HELP THE CITIZENS? WELL, IT'S, IT'S SORT OF THE, THE INVERSE EFFECT, RIGHT? QUICKER RESOLUTION.
THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA KNOW OTHER CITIZENS THAT ARE CALLING IN FOR THIS COMPLIANCE, UH, FOR THE COMPLIANCE, THE VIOLATION.
UM, THEY'RE GONNA SEE THAT WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO GET TO COMPLIANCE QUICKER.
IF PEOPLE KNOW THAT THEY'RE GONNA GET THESE CITATIONS WRITTEN, THESE, UM, PENALTIES, FEES WRITTEN AGAINST THEM FOR THESE, HOPEFULLY THE IDEA IS THAT THEY'RE GONNA CLEAR THAT UP THAT MUCH QUICKER.
UM, FAIR AND PREDICTABLE OUTCOMES.
EVERYONE'S GONNA UNDERSTAND IF IT'S A HIGH GRASS, FIRST TIME 25, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO, IS THIS PERSON GONNA GO AND, AND GET THE FEE? IS IT GONNA BE REDUCED? WHY IS THIS PERSON'S CRIMINAL? UH, CITATION REDUCED IN, IN, IN FEES, BUT MAYBE THIS ONE ISN'T.
UM, STILL WITH THE STREAMLINED PROCESS, IT JUST SAY MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT MORE PREDICTABLE FOR EVERYONE.
UH, REDUCED BURDEN ON, UH, RESIDENTS.
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THEY'RE NOT HAVING, IF THEY DO DECIDE THAT THEY WANT TO FIGHT SOMETHING IN COURT, ONCE AGAIN, THEY MIGHT HAVE TO GO FOR THAT PRETRIAL.THEY MIGHT HAVE TO GO FOR THAT COURT, TAKE TIME OFF OF WORK.
AND THIS SITUATION, UM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE, UH, A HEARING OFFICER THAT'S GONNA BE ABLE TO, UH, HEAR IT WITHIN 30 DAYS.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE A HEARING OFFICER WITHIN 30 DAYS, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO GO IN AND ONCE AGAIN, WE'RE ONLY DOING THESE WITH VIOLATIONS THAT WE CAN TAKE PICTURES OF.
SO IT'S GONNA BE PRETTY QUICK AND EFFICIENT THERE.
IS THAT YOUR HOUSE? THERE'S NOT A LOT OF ARGUMENT WITH THAT.
UM, HEALTHIER, SAFER, SAFER, SAFER COMMUNITIES.
IDEALLY THAT IF THIS, IF THIS WORKS THE WAY WE EXPECT IT TO WORK, INHERENTLY SAFER, SAFER COMMUNITIES.
AND THEN BALANCED ACCOUNTABILITY.
ONCE AGAIN, JUST THE CORRECTION AND COMPLIANCE WITH ROUTINE ISSUES.
PRESERVING THE STRONGER TOOLS FOR SERIOUS AND REPEAT VIOLATIONS.
SO ONCE AGAIN, THAT HELPS THE CITIZENS THAT KNOW THAT THE COURTS ARE FOCUSED ON PROBABLY THE THINGS THAT THEY NEED TO FOCUS ON.
AND SO JUST TO SHOW HOW IT WORKS IN, IN ACTION, UM, IT'S TYPICAL TO OUR CRIMINAL CITATION PROCESS.
SO STEP ONE, THEY RECEIVE A NOTICE OF VIOLATION PER USUAL.
YOU HAVE SEVEN DAYS, 30 DAYS, DEPENDING ON THE VIOLATION TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE.
UM, THE HAPPY PATH PATH, A, UH, THEY COME INTO COMPLIANCE, UH, THEY PAY THE PENALTY, THEY OWN UP TO HAVING A VIOLATION, THEY PAY IT.
THE CASE IS THEN CLOSED, AND SORRY FOR THE DISTORTION RIGHT THERE AT THE BOTTOM.
UH, WE'LL SEND A CLEAN COPY OUT FOR EVERYONE TO SEE.
UH, THE SECOND PATH IS THEY DISPUTE IT.
AND SO THIS WILL BE A QUASI-JUDICIAL PROCESS.
WE HAVE A, A HEARING OFFICER THAT IS HOUSED IN COURT.
SO IT'S IMPORTANT, IT'S INDEPENDENT FROM CODE.
SO IT WILL BE AN INDEPENDENT ARBITER, UH, TO HANDLE THE CASE AND TO HEAR THE CASE.
UM, THEY HAVE A HEARING, THEY SET THE HEARING WITHIN 30 DAYS, UH, THE HEARING OFFICER WILL HEAR THE CASE ISSUE, THEIR, UH, RULING.
YOU HAVE NOT LIABLE IF THEY PROVE THEIR CASE THAT, HEY, WE WERE IN MISTAKE, WE WERE IN ERROR, THE CASE IS DISMISSED AND THE CASE IS CLOSED.
UM, HOWEVER, IF THEY'RE FOUND LIABLE, UH, THEY WILL STILL BE FORCED TO PAY THE FEE.
THE 25 50 DEPEND ON WHERE THEY ARE IN THAT, IN THAT, IN THAT PYRAMID.
UM, THEY HAVE TO PAY THAT WITHIN 31 DAYS.
SO THEY STILL CAN GO UP TO THE MUNICIPAL COURT.
UH, BUT AGAIN, JUST TO RESTATE IT, WE'RE NOT BOGGING DOWN THE COURT.
THESE ARE 60% PLUS OF OUR CASES.
SO WE'RE NOT BOGGING DOWN OUR MUNICIPAL COURT WITH THESE CASES, WHICH ALSO ALLOWS FOR OTHER MORE SERIOUS CASES, STRUCTURAL HEALTH AND SAFETY TO GET PLACED ON THE DOCKET EARLIER.
BUT THEY DO HAVE A RIGHT TO APPEAL AND GO TO MUNICIPAL COURT IF THEY CHOOSE TO.
UH, AND FAILURE TO PAYMENT, THEY HAVE 60 DAYS TO PAY.
UH, SEAN, KEEP ME HONEST, KNOWING THAT, UH, 60 DAYS TO PAY AND IF NOT, IT GOES INTO A COLLECTION PROCESS.
UH, THE PROCESS, THE CITATION PROCESS AS WELL AS THE COLLECTION PROCESS IS ALL AUTOMATED.
UM, NO STAFF HOURS AND EFFORTS ARE SPENT ON THAT PROCESS.
SO THAT'S A ANOTHER KEY, UH, BENEFIT FOR US, UH, ON THE TIME TO PAY AND THE TIME FOR THE HEARING.
IT'S, UM, AT LEAST 15 DAYS OUT THE HEARING WILL BE SET.
SO WE'RE THINKING BETWEEN 15 AND 30 DAYS, ONCE THEY HAVE THEIR HEARING, IF THEY'RE FOUND LIABLE, THEY'RE GIVEN THE 31 DAYS TO PAY.
SO LATE FEES KICK IN AT 60 DAYS AND THEN COLLECTIONS ACTUALLY KICKS IN AT 105 DAYS.
SO THAT'S HOW WE STRUCTURED THE, THE TIME PERIODS AND WE JUST KIND OF STAYED WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING IN PARKING.
APPRECIATE THAT CLARIFICATION, SEAN.
ALRIGHT, AND SO NOW JUST A FEW EXAMPLES.
JUST SO YOU CAN SEE VISUALLY, THIS IS WHAT OUR HEARING OFFICER WOULD SEE.
CLEAR CUT CASES, UH, WE'LL HAVE OUR, FOR, IN THE CASE OF HIGH GRASS AND ENCROACHMENTS, WE'LL HAVE OUR, OUR MEASUREMENT TOOLS OUT THERE.
IF IT'S OVER 12 INCHES, YOU'LL SEE THAT ON THE PICTURE.
UM, IF IT'S OVER EIGHT FEET OVER A SIDEWALK, WE'LL HAVE THAT MEASUREMENT TO SHOW 14 FEET AND AN ALLEYWAY ENCROACHMENT, WE'LL BE ABLE TO SHOW THAT AS WELL.
SO SOMETHING THAT THE HEARING OFFICER CAN LOOK AT, UH, AS CHRIS SAID, IS UNDISPUTABLE, HERE'S YOUR ADDRESS, HERE'S A VIOLATION.
DID YOU DO IT? ALRIGHT, SO JUST A FEW EXAMPLES.
HIGH GRASS TRASH AND BULKY ITEMS. PRETTY CLEAR CUT.
OF COURSE, EVERYTHING IS DATE, UH, DATE STAMPED.
AND I WANNA SAY THE SYSTEM IS GEO LOCATED RIGHT WHERE IT SHOWS EXACTLY WHERE IT IS.
SO IF THEY DISPUTE THAT, HEY, THIS IS NOT MY ADDRESS AT 1 2 3 SMITH STREET, IT'S ACTUALLY GEO LOCATED FOR THAT LOCATION.
SO IT'S INDISPUTABLE, UH, COMMERCIAL AREAS, COMMERCIAL TRASH, DEBRIS, GRAFFITI.
HERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF A STREET AND ALLEY ENCROACHMENT.
AND YOU CAN SEE HERE OUR MEASUREMENT TOOL THAT SHOWS IT'S, IT'S, UH, CALIBRATED AT 14 FEET.
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WHERE THE ENCROACHMENT, WHERE THE VIOLATION IS.IF IT'S ABOVE THAT LINE, IT'S IN VIOLATION.
WE HAVE SOME NICE FENCE MAINTENANCE AND SCREEN WALLS AND DISREPAIR.
HERE'S RAW SEWAGE PROTRUDING FROM, LOOKS LIKE A COMMERCIAL OR AN APARTMENT COMPLEX.
SO THIS IS ONE, IF IT'S CLEAR CUT LIKE THIS ONE WE WOULD SEND TO CIVIL COURT.
WE COULD, UH, SOME WILL BE SO EGREGIOUS THAT THIS MAY REQUIRE, IT MAY STILL REQUIRE CRIMINAL CASES, RIGHT? IF IT'S EGREGIOUS, IF IT'S OPEN, IF IT'S, WE'RE NOT GONNA GIVE THEM SEC, SECOND AND THIRD CHANCES TO FIX A HEALTH AND SAFETY VIOLATION.
SO OFFICER DISCRETION, IN SOME CASES, WHETHER IT GOES CIVIL OR IF IT GOES TO, UH, CRIMINAL, UH, COURT.
UH, HERE WE SEE SOME INOPERABLE JUNK MOTOR VEHICLES, PARKING LOTS AND DISREPAIR, MORE IMPROPER STORAGE.
UH, WE HAVE SOME IMPROPER STORAGE OF MATERIALS ON THE SIDE OF THE HOME, UM, IRRIGATION.
THIS IS ANOTHER ONE THAT WILL BE A, A LITTLE BIT ON THE FENCE.
WHETHER OR NOT WE SEND ALL OF THESE TWO CIVIL CITATIONS, UM, JUST DEPENDS ON CASE BY CASE.
IF IT'S CLEAR CUT, WE'LL SEND IT THAT WAY.
IF NOT, THEN WE'LL GO A DIFFERENT ROUTE.
UH, BECAUSE AGAIN, THESE DO NOT, AND I'M NOT SURE IF WE'VE STATED THIS CLEARLY, BUT THERE WILL BE NO TESTIMONY FOR FROM OFFICERS IN THESE CASES.
SO WE'RE STRICTLY RELYING 100% ON THE PICTURES.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE SOME DECISION TO MAKE.
IF THIS REQUIRES AN EXPLANATION, IT WON'T WORK.
IT HAS TO BE CLEAR CUT ON THE FACE OF THE VIOLATION.
UM, UNSECURED BUILDING STRUCTURE, OF COURSE, WE WANT TO GET THOSE SECURED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE OUTSIDE STORAGE AND DISPLAY.
UH, HERE WE HAVE THE FIRE LANE THAT'S BEING BLOCKED.
WE HAVE TRASH CAN RECEPTACLES PARKED IN A PARKING SPACE, WHICH IS A VIOLATION.
UH, WE HAVE OUR, ONE OF OUR FAVORITE TOPICS, COMMERCIAL SIGNS THAT ARE OBSOLETE AND OLD.
SO AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S A DISCRETIONARY THING THAT WILL TAKE CASE BY CASE, WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S A CRIMINAL OR CIVIL, BUT AGAIN, THE VAST MAJORITY OF OUR CASES WILL BE CIVILLY ELIGIBLE.
UH, HERE'S A PICTURE OF MULTIFAMILY BALCONY THAT'S IN CLEAR DISREPAIR.
THAT'S A HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUE, ALRIGHT? IF IT, IF IT FAILS, THEN PEOPLE CAN GET HURT.
SO SOMETHING WE WOULD, WE WOULD WEIGH.
AND WITH THAT, UH, WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND WE ARE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND GIVE ANY, ANY FEEDBACK.
IF I MAY REAL QUICK, I DON'T REMEMBER US ASK STATE IT.
BUT, UM, JUST TO BE CLEAR ALSO, UM, THE USE OF CIVIL CITATIONS DOESN'T PRECLUDE US FROM BEING ABLE TO USE A CRIMINAL ENFORCEMENT, RIGHT? SO IF WE, IF WE SEND THE CIVIL, CIVIL CITATIONS, UM, WE END UP NOT BEING ABLE TO GET COMPLIANCE, WE'RE ABLE TO GET A PAYMENT FOR IT BECAUSE THEY WERE OBVIOUSLY CAUGHT.
THEY MAKE THE PAYMENT, BUT THEY NEVER ACTUALLY FIX IT.
UM, THEN WE ACTUALLY CAN GO BACK.
WE CAN GO BACK WITH MORE CIVIL ENFORCEMENT.
WE CAN, AND THEN WE CAN EVENTUALLY WE CAN GO BACK TO CRIMINAL EN ENFORCEMENT, CRIMINAL ENFORCEMENT.
SO IT DOESN'T PRECLUDE IT, IT'S STILL AN OPTION FOR US.
WE JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE ANOTHER TOOL IN OUR TOOL BAG ABSOLUTELY.
AND IT ALSO DOESN'T PRECLUDE ABATEMENT.
IF IT IS OUTSIDE STORAGE, WHETHER IT'S TWO WEEKS FOR THEM TO COME TO THE CIVIL COURT OR A MONTH TO GO TO CRIMINAL COURT, WE STILL CAN.
AND WE'LL ABATE THOSE VIOLATIONS PROMPTLY.
CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE ONE, UM, WITH YOUR, THE CARS? UM, CHRIS SHOULD KNOW EXACTLY WHICH ONE I'M TALKING ABOUT.
YOU WANT MORE VIEWS? IS IS THIS IT? YES.
SO THE ONE, UM, WITH THE RED MUSTANG RIGHT THERE, UM, IN THIS SITUATION, HOW WOULD THE CIVIL PROCESS BENEFIT VERSUS GOING THROUGH THE WAY WE'RE DOING IT NOW? SO I, I WOULD, I WOULD VENTURE TO GUESS, I GET SEAN CAN BACK ME UP ON THIS, BUT I WOULD SAY MOST LIKELY, UM, WE'RE GONNA LEAN MORE ON THE INOPERABLE VEHICLE.
UM, THE INOPERABLE VEHICLE DOES HAVE A AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSIVE, 72 HOURS.
SO THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THAT WE MAY OR MAY NOT BE ABLE TO UTILIZE FOR CIVIL ENFORCEMENT.
UM, BUT IF WE CAN, WE WOULD JUST, BECAUSE THE, THE ABATEMENT PROCESS FOR THAT IS, IS FAIRLY CUMBERSOME AND IT'S ALSO, UH, FAIRLY TIMELY TAKES, IT TAKES A LOT OF EFFORT, UM, ON OUR PARTS AND THE COURT'S PARTS DUE TO THE WARRANTS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
WELL, SO WE'RE TALKING JUNK VEHICLE.
JUNK VEHICLE TYPICALLY WE'RE, THE STATUTE REQUIRES, UH, 10 DAYS NOTICE.
IT REQUIRES CERTAIN THINGS TO BE DONE IN CERTAIN TIMEFRAMES.
THE WAY THIS PROGRAM COULD MAYBE ASSIST THAT IS YOU GIVE 'EM THE NOTICE AND THEN YOU TURN AROUND AND A DAY OR TWO LATER, GIVE 'EM A CIVIL TICKET WHILE YOU'RE STILL IN YOUR 10 DAY PERIOD
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BEFORE YOU CAN ACTUALLY GO OUT AND GET A WARRANT AND TAKE THE CAR.UM, SO IT'S, IT'S HAVING THINGS HAPPEN IN BETWEEN THAT AREN'T HAPPENING NOW.
UH, WHERE NOW WE'RE JUST GIVING NOTICE, MAYBE MULTIPLE NOTICES YOU COULD AC ACCOMPANY ONE OF THOSE NOTICES WITH A CIVIL FINE.
UM, UM, SO WHEN YOU SAY A HEARING OFFICER, CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO US WHAT, WHO THAT IS? LIKE, IS THAT ONE OF YOU GUYS? IS IT, WHO IS THE, WHO IS A HEARING OFFICER? YEAH'S A GREAT QUESTION.
SO THAT WILL BE SOMEONE WE HIRE FROM OUTSIDE.
UM, IDEALLY THEY WILL HAVE CODE EXPERIENCE, ENFORCEMENT EXPERIENCE.
THEY WILL BE VERY, YOU KNOW, FAIRLY WELL VERSED IN CODE COMPLIANCE IN THE ORDINANCES AND HOW TO ADJUDICATE.
SO NOT NECESSARILY A JUDGE, BUT JUST SOMEONE WITH HIGH LEVEL, ALMOST EXPERT LEVEL KNOWLEDGE OF CODE.
AND SO IT WOULD BE AN OUTSIDE ENTITY HOUSED UNDER SUPERVISION OF THE COURTS.
AND SO IT'LL BE INDEPENDENT FROM CODE COMPLIANCE.
SO AS THAT, WE CAN'T INTERFERE WITH THAT OR GIVE THE APPEARANCE OF INTERFERING WITH THAT PROCESS.
CAN I ADD TO THAT JUST A LITTLE BIT, BRIAN? YES, SIR.
UM, THE PRESIDING JUDGE, THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN, APPOINTS THE, THE HEARING OFFICER AND THEN THE HEARING OFFICER RE UM, THE, THE JUDGE IS OVERSEEING THE HEARING OFFICER.
SO IT'S A, THAT'S WHAT REMOVES IT FROM CITY'S CONTROL AND PUTS IT MORE IN THE JUDICIAL, IF YOU WILL.
SO, UM, WE ALSO HAVE JUDGE CH WITH US.
UM, IF YOU WANNA PULL UP A CHAIR, I PULL UP THE CHAIR BECAUSE WE, WE DID HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH JUDGE CHODEN RECENTLY ABOUT, UM, US BEING MINDFUL OF WHAT WE'RE DOING AND HOW THAT AFFECTS THE COURT AND THEIR WORKLOAD.
AND SO I DID WANNA INVITE JUDGE CHILDEN HERE TODAY JUST SO THAT HE CAN KIND OF TALK TO US, UM, GIVE US HIS FEEDBACK AND OPINION, HOW THIS, IF IT WOULD AFFECT, UM, YOUR COURTS AND ANYTHING THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE TO OFFER.
IF YOU'LL SCOOT UP TO THE MICROPHONE THOUGH,
UH, YOURS OFFICER WOULD BE APPOINTED BY ME.
I DECIDE WHO IT IS, I DECIDE WHAT THE CRITERIA IS, AND IF THERE'S ANY APPEAL IT COMES TO, TO ME, I WOULD SAY TO ONE OF THE TWO JUDGES, BUT IT'S GONNA COME TO ME.
SO LET'S JUST GO AHEAD AND CUT TO THE CHASE.
UM, THEY FAILED TO TELL YOU THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THIS, BY THE WAY.
I JUST GOTTA BE HONEST WITH YOU.
I KNOW, I KNOW CITY, I KNOW CITY COUNCIL PEOPLE GET REALLY UPSET ABOUT UNFUNDED STATE MANDATES.
THERE'S NO STATE COURT COST HERE.
SO IN A FINE $76 STATE COURT COST GOES OFF EVERY TIME TO THE, TO AUSTIN.
SO BEFORE YOU EVEN GET TO THE THIRD OFFENSE ON A COLLECTION HERE, THE CITY ACTUALLY BENEFITS FROM THAT TO BEGIN WITH.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE BIGGER THINGS IS THAT, THAT WE SAVED RIGHT OFF THE BAT.
THIS IS A GOOD SYSTEM AS LONG AS WE DO IT PROPERLY, AS LONG AS THE HEARING OFFICER IS APPROPRIATE.
I'LL, I'LL DISAGREE A TAD BIT WITH WHAT OUR DIRECTOR STATED HERE.
AS FAR AS SOMEBODY WHO HAS A LOT OF KNOWLEDGE WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT, A HEARING OFFICER NEEDS TO BE TOTALLY INDEPENDENT.
DOESN'T NEED TO GO, OKAY, I KNOW ALL ABOUT HOW THIS SYSTEM WORKS, SO I'M GONNA SIDE WITH THEM.
IT NEEDS TO BE SOMEBODY WHO THEY, THE CITIZENS CAN PERCEIVE AS BEING SOMEBODY INDEPENDENT.
SO MY PERSONAL OPINION IS, I THINK IT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE SOMEBODY WHO HAS LEGAL TRAINING AS AN A LAWYER, RETIRED, DON'T WORRY, WE'RE NOT PAYING LIKE THE GIGANTIC FEE FOR, FOR A LAWYER.
BUT AS FAR AS SOMEBODY WHO UNDERSTANDS HOW THIS PROCESS DOWN THE LINE COULD END UP WITH SOMEBODY'S HOUSE BEING TORN DOWN OR SOMEBODY'S PROPERTY BEING TAKEN AWAY.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY THING AS FAR AS WHO THE HEARING OFFICER IS, AND WHOEVER APPOINTS CAN BE SOMEBODY SUCH AS THAT.
I THINK THIS IS GOOD BECAUSE IT WILL RELIEVE US IN THE COURT ON SOME OF THESE CASES THAT ARE RELATIVELY SIMPLE.
IT'LL ALSO GET COMPLIANCE A LOT QUICKER.
I THINK THAT IT WILL ALSO CAUSE THE CITY TO LOOK A LOT BETTER.
AND SINCE I LIVE HERE, I'M A BIG FAN OF THAT.
AND I THINK THAT ALSO, I KNOW THAT PEOPLE WILL DISPUTE ME, BUT I'VE GOT FACTS TO BACK IT UP.
SOMETIMES IF YOU TELL SOMEBODY YOU GOT CAUGHT, YOU CAN'T DO THIS AGAIN, THEY SOLVE IT IMMEDIATELY.
MY ONLY CONCERN MIGHT BE, LET'S JUST MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO FOR THE LANDLORD VERSUS TENANT.
LIKE IF THE TENANT'S DOING ALL THIS, DOES THE LANDLORD GET THE TICKET? DOES THE TENANT GET THE TICKET? LIKE, WHO, HOW ARE WE DECIDING WHO'S GONNA HAVE THE ENFORCEMENT? WHO'S THE PERSON WHO'S GONNA HAVE TO SHOW UP IN COURT? BECAUSE THAT BECOMES SOMEWHAT OF A PROBLEM.
ALSO, IF YOU'RE DEALING WITH A CORPORATION, YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH WHO IS GONNA GET THE, THE CITATION TO, BECAUSE IT'S NOT AN INDIVIDUAL, IT'S A CORPORATION.
SO AS LONG AS THOSE THINGS ARE TAKEN CARE OF, I THINK THAT THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN EXTREMELY WELL.
UH, FROM WHAT I'VE BEEN ABLE TO READ, I JUST GOT TODAY.
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IT'S A GREAT PLAN AND IT WILL DEFINITELY HELP US.UM, I, I APPRECIATE THAT AND I'M, I'M GLAD THAT YOU MENTIONED THE FEES AND THEM COMING STRAIGHT TO US.
UM, AS WE ALL KNOW, WE'RE IN A, A ROCKY TIME.
AND SO THAT'S
UM, I WOULD, I WOULD ALSO BE IN FAVOR THAT WE, WE RAISE THESE RESIDENTIALS.
UM, I'M FINE WITH THE FIRST $25 VIOLATION, BUT EVEN AT LOOKING BACK AT THAT PICTURE, UM, I WILL NOT SAY WHAT STREET IT IS ON, BUT THE CARS, UM, WE'VE GOT ANOTHER ONE JUST DOWN THE ROAD THAT IS THE BEVERLY HILLBILLIES.
THOSE ARE PEOPLE THAT 50, $75, THEY'RE NOT GONNA CARE.
AND SO, UM, I THINK THAT OVERALL AS A CITY, WE, WE ARE VERY GRACIOUS WITH OUR RESIDENTS.
WE ARE, WE ARE VERY MINDFUL OF NOT PUTTING ANYONE IN A BAD POSITION.
UM, HOWEVER, OUR RESIDENTS ARE NOT VERY GRACEFUL BACK TO US, AND THEY'RE NOT VERY MINDFUL OF PUTTING OUR CITY FIRST.
SO, UM, I, I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AT LEAST THE SECOND AND THIRD OFFENSE RAISED JUST SO THAT WAY.
'CAUSE $75 TO SOME PEOPLE IS A, IS NOTHING, RIGHT.
AND SO, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE IN THE BUSINESS OF CARS, RIGHT? SO SOMEONE THAT TINKERS WITH CARS HAS ENOUGH MONEY TO DROP $75 BECAUSE WE'RE ON THEIR AR REAR.
SO THAT'S WAS REALLY MY ONLY, MY ONLY, UM, CONCERN IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF, I'LL, I'M FINE WITH GRAND PRAIRIE'S FEE STRUCTURE, HONESTLY.
'CAUSE THAT PUTS IT AT 35 1 20 AND 2 0 5 2 0 2 0 5 MIGHT BE A LITTLE EXTRAVAGANT.
UM, HOWEVER, I THINK IT, I THINK IT GETS THE POINT ACROSS FOR PEOPLE TO GET THEIR STUFF TOGETHER.
SO, UM, THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, MS. BEARD, MR. BASS, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? YEAH.
SO TO CONTINUE ON THAT LINE, WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE THE CURRENT, UH, CURRENT FEES FOR RESIDENTIAL VIOLATIONS? CIVIL CITATION? NO, NO, NO.
CURRENTLY FOR THE CRIMINAL, UH, I MEAN IT CAN BE AS, AS LOW AS 200 OR AS MUCH AS 2000 DEPENDING ON THE EVENTS.
THOSE, THOSE FINES AND EVERYTHING ARE SET BY COURTS, RIGHT? SO THESE ARE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS, IS WHAT I'M GETTING.
COST IS $76 PLUS COURT COST IS 76, RIGHT? SO THESE RIGHT HERE, SO WHAT WE'RE DOING, AND WE'RE, WE'RE LESSENING BY, BY SWITCHING SOMETHING FROM A, FROM A CRIMINAL OFFENSE TO A CIVIL OFFENSE, WE'RE LESSENING THE BURDEN OF PROOF.
UM, AND WHAT THAT DOES, IT TAKES A LOT OF WEIGHT OFF OF YOUR SHOULDERS AND IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR THE, YOU KNOW, FOR THE VIOLATOR AS WELL BECAUSE THERE'S LESS RED TAPE FOR THEM TO GO TO.
SO WE'RE MAKING SOMETHING EASIER FOR EVERYBODY.
AND THEN WE'RE ALSO MAKING IT 90% CHEAPER TO SEE WHERE THAT DOESN'T REALLY LINE UP.
SO, UM, I WAS ALONG THE SAME LINES AS, YOU KNOW, I I THINK HONESTLY, A, A FIRST OFFENSE, UM, I'M IN FAVOR OF KEEPING THE FIRST OFFENSE LOW.
UM, BUT AFTER THAT, YOU KNOW, I'VE ALREADY TOLD YOU ONCE, SO IT NEEDS TO START HAVING SOME EFFECT.
UM, YOU KNOW, I WOULD HONESTLY, I WOULD BE IN FINE, I WOULD BE FINE WITH THE FIRST OFFENSE BEING ANYWHERE FROM 25 TO $50 AND REPEAT OFFENSE IS GOING UP A HUNDRED AFTER THAT.
AND THEN ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, I WOULD BE OKAY WITH THOSE INCREASING, UH, FIRST OFFENSE I THINK IS GREAT.
I WOULD GO 200 AND 300 ON THE SECOND THIRD.
THOSE WOULD JUST BE MY RECOMMENDATIONS BECAUSE BY THE TIME YOU GET TO A REPEAT OFFENSE, THEY KNOW THEY'VE BEEN WARNED, THEY'VE BEEN TALKED TO, THEY'VE HAD A, THEY'VE ALREADY HAD A FINE ASSESSED TO THEM.
AND AGAIN, COMPARED TO THE COST OF, IF WE KEPT IT AS A CRIMINAL OFFENSE, IT'S STILL A HECK OF A DISCOUNT.
UM, AND ALSO, ARE WE, LET'S SEE.
OKAY, SO, AND JUST A COUPLE THINGS JUST SO THE PUBLIC HEARS ALL THIS, RIGHT? I REALLY LIKE THE FLOW CHART 'CAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN REFER PEOPLE BACK TO.
AND THAT SHOWS THEM THAT BY SWITCHING VIOLATIONS FROM CRIMINAL TO CIVIL, THAT THEY STILL HAVE THAT HEARING.
THEY CAN STILL GET A HEARING, THEY CAN STILL HAVE AN APPEAL PROCESS.
IT DOESN'T NEGATIVELY AFFECT THEM IN THAT, IN THAT FLOW IS AT ALL.
UM, AND UM, BRIAN, YOU MENTIONED THAT, SO THIS WOULD AFFECT APPROXIMATELY 60% OF OUR CURRENT VIOLATIONS.
AND DO WE HAVE A, A NUMBER? WHAT NUMBER THAT IS? THE NUMBER TOTAL VIOLATIONS? WELL, WHAT IS 60%? WHAT DOES THAT, WHAT DOES THAT EQUATE TO IN NUMBER OF VIOLATIONS? SO WE HAD A, LAST YEAR WE HAD A TOTAL OF 36,000 VIOLATIONS.
SO WOW, THAT'S 20, SO THAT'S 20,000, 20,000 PLUS FIVE.
THAT SAID IT TAKES 20,000 OFF OF THE DOCKET AND PUTS 'EM ON.
WELL, THOSE, THOSE AREN'T NECESSARILY CITATIONS, SO OKAY.
SOME OF A PERCENTAGE OF THOSE DO GO TO CITATIONS.
UM, WE COULD GET THAT NUMBER TO GET MORE PRECISE AS FAR AS, NO, IT'S JUST, I JUST, I JUST WANT TO, YOU KNOW, SHOW IT'S A BIG NUMBER.
IT'S GONNA MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE.
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DO WE, OKAY, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU CAN THINK OF THAT, UH, CHANGING, CHANGING THESE FROM CRIMINAL TO CIVIL THAT IS A DETRIMENT TO THE VIOLATORS? BECAUSE I, I DON'T SEE DETRIMENT TO THE VIOLATORS.SOMETHING THAT MAKES, THAT'S MAKING THE, MAKING IT HARDER FOR THEM.
NO, SIR, I DON'T, I DO NOT THINK THIS MAKES IT MORE DETRIMENTAL OR MORE ONEROUS FOR THE VIOLATORS.
I THINK IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR THEM, EASIER FOR US.
UM, YOU WON'T GET ANY FIGHT OUT OF US FOR RAISING THE FEES WHATSOEVER.
THAT'S, WE, WE ARE ON BOARD WITH, WITH, OF COURSE, WHATEVER THE BODY DECIDES.
BUT THAT OF COURSE, ALTHOUGH THESE QUESTIONS I'M ASKING ARE, YOU KNOW, TO REFER BACK TO WHEN WE START TO GET THE QUESTIONS
THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT HARDER ON US.
AND IT'S ACTUALLY THE OPPOSITE ON ALL OF THAT.
UM, ONLY OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS, DO WE FORESEE AN INCREASE IN CITATIONS BY MAKING THIS CHANGE IN CIVIL CI? I MEAN, YES.
AND IN A LOT OF WAYS, I THINK LAST YEAR, FOUR AROUND 4,000 CITATIONS, I WANNA SAY IT WAS AROUND FOUR OR 5,000 CITATIONS IS WHAT WE WROTE OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEAR.
UM, DUE TO THE EXTENT THAT IT, THE, THE WORKLOAD THAT IT PUTS ON COURTS, THE WORKLOAD THAT IT PUTS ON THE INSPECTOR, UM, WE TRY TO SAVE THOSE CRIMINAL CITATIONS FOR LIKE LAST, THIS IS THE LAST OPPORTUNITY, RIGHT? WE'VE, WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING.
WE'VE KNOCKED ON A DOOR, WE'VE CALLED COUSINS AND
NOW WE'RE GONNA DO A CIVIL, UH, A CRIMINAL CITATION.
UM, AND THIS, I WOULD SEE, THIS IS PROBABLY GONNA BE MORE QUICK ALONG WITH THE RESTORATIVE RESPONSE WE KIND OF WENT OVER WITH YOU GUYS ON MONDAY.
UM, WE'RE TRYING TO GO MORE, WE'RE TRYING TO REDUCE THAT AMOUNT OF TIME THAT IT TAKES TO FIND COMPLIANCE.
AND SO IF WE CAN UTILIZE THIS AS ONE WAY TO REDUCE THAT TIME, THEN YES, I WOULD SEE AN INCREASE IN, IN THE AMOUNT OF CITATIONS OVERALL, DECREASE IN DECREASE IN THE CRIMINAL CITATIONS.
OBVIOUSLY AN INCREASE OF CIVIL CITATIONS THE FIRST TIME.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, HOW WILL WE USE IT MORE, MORE THAN THAN ABATEMENT? UM, IT JUST DEPENDS ON, ON, ON THE VIOLATION ITSELF.
AND THE WHOLE REASON WE, WE HAVE THIS IS FOR PUBLIC SAFETY AND FOR, YOU KNOW, MAINTAINING THE AESTHETIC AESTHETIC OF OUR CITY.
AND SO BY SHORTENING THE PROCESS THAT THIS TAKES, BY SHORTENING THE TIME THAT THIS PROCESS TAKES, IT ACTUALLY ALLOWS US TO, TO MAKE THE CITY SAFER AND TO MAKE THE CITY LOOK BETTER BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE DECREASING THE TIME THAT, THAT IT TAKES TO GET THIS THROUGH THE SYSTEM.
APPRECIATE Y'ALL, UH, COMING WITH THIS.
UM, I SEEM TO REMEMBER WE DISCUSSED THESE, THESE FINES A WHILE BACK AND THERE WERE SOME LIMITS ON HOW HIGH THE FINES COULD GO, BUT I JUST, I DON'T REMEMBER THAT AMOUNT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
THAT WAS WHEN WE STARTED DISCUSSING THIS, LIKE ALMOST A YEAR AGO.
SO, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE NOW $25 FOR FIRST DEFENSE FOR RESIDENTIAL.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S THINNER OUT FOR ONE PERSON ONE NIGHT.
MAY OR MAYBE FAST FOOD FOR THE FAMILY FOR ONE NIGHT, THAT'S ENOUGH TO MAYBE, OKAY, I NEED TO GO GET THIS TAKEN CARE OF, BUT AFTER THE SECOND OFFENSE NEEDS TO BE BUMPED JUST A LITTLE BIT.
UM, AND THIRD OFFENSE BUMPED A LITTLE BIT MORE.
AND I COULD SEE THOSE INCREMENTS BEING, OKAY, IT GOES FROM 25 TO 75 AND THEN FROM 75 TO MAYBE ONE 50 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT I MEAN, WE CAN'T GET 'EM TOO HIGH.
'CAUSE THEN WE GET INTO WHATEVER THAT REASON WAS THAT I CAN'T REMEMBER ON WHY WE COULDN'T GO TOO HIGH.
BUT YEAH, I THINK WE NEED TO BUMP SECOND, ESPECIALLY THIRD OFFENSE NEEDS TO BE BUMPED SIGNIFICANTLY FOR BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL TO WHATEVER.
WE CAN BUMP THAT TOO, BECAUSE IF WE'RE AT THIRD OFFENSE, THEN THEY'RE JUST NOT CARING.
AND AS, AS, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER DUTTON SAID, OKAY, $25, IF YOU'VE GOT A JUNK VEHICLE UP TO $75, IF YOU'VE GOT A JUNK VEHICLE, BUT THAT JUNK VEHICLE NEVER LEAVES, THEN WE'VE GOT MORE PROBLEMS. SO IF WE BUMP THAT UP, MAYBE WE CAN EVENTUALLY GET THAT JUNK.
HE'S LIKE, OKAY, WELL EVERY, YOU KNOW, 90 DAYS I'VE GOTTA PAY $75 TO HAVE THIS VEHICLE IN MY DRIVEWAY.
THAT DOESN'T SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
SO BUMPING THOSE UP, BUT MAYBE NOT AS HIGH AS GRAND PRAIRIE, BUT GETTING THEM A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN WHAT THEY ARE.
AND AGAIN, I DO NOT REMEMBER WHAT THE REASON WAS.
I COULD GO BACK THROUGH MY NOTES, BUT WE DISCUSSED THIS
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PROBABLY ABOUT A YEAR AGO WHEN THIS FIRST CAME UP, AND THERE WAS A LIMIT TO HOW MUCH THOSE FINES COULD BE.SO I, I DO REMEMBER WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND I THINK THAT THAT WAS IN REFERENCE TO PARKING.
IT WAS ACTUALLY THIS, UM, WAS IT YES, COUNCILWOMAN, RIGHT? AND IT WAS THE EIGHTH AMENDMENT, EXCESSIVE FINES AND, AND BAILS SHOULD NOT BE GIVEN.
AND I BELIEVE THE DISCUSSION WAS KEEPING IT UNDER 200.
I THINK THE AMOUNTS YOU PROPOSED ARE EXCELLENT.
UM, THE OTHER POINT I WANTED TO POINT OUT IS IT'S WRITTEN THAT THIS IS A ROLLING 12 MONTH PERIOD OF THE ESCALATION, UM, FOR THE CIVIL FINES.
SO WITHIN A ROLLING 12 MONTH PERIOD, THOSE FINES WOULD, WOULD BE THIRD OR MORE WOULD BE THE ONE 50 OVER AND OVER.
UM, ANOTHER DIFFERENCE WITH THIS PROGRAM THAN IN PARKING IS INSTEAD OF WAITING THREE DAYS TO WRITE A SECOND TICKET, IT'S A DAILY TICKET IF THEY SO WANT TO, TO USE THAT.
UM, AND THEN OF COURSE THE, THE ESCALATION WOULD GO FROM A NOTICE TO CIVIL TICKETS, 1, 2, 3, MAYBE TO CRIMINAL TICKETS AT THE HIGHER AMOUNT, HOWEVER MANY IT TAKES THERE IN ADDITION TO THE ABATEMENT.
UM, WHAT THE OTHER THING I STEPPED BACK UP TO TO SAY IS, UM, CURRENTLY AS IN MY PROSECUTOR ROLE, I WANTED TO SHARE MY EXPERIENCE.
PEOPLE GET NOTICE AFTER NOTICE AFTER NOTICE, THEN THEY GET WRITTEN THE CRIMINAL TICKET, THEN THEY SHOW UP WITH PICTURES OF WHERE THEY COMPLIED, THE TICKET TIED TO THE DOLLAR AMOUNT, GOT THE COMPLIANCE.
SO THE MINDSET IS MOVING THAT PROCESS BACK EARLIER IN THIS PROCESS TO HOPEFULLY GAIN THE COMPLIANCE EARLIER.
AND ONE OTHER DIFFERENCE IS IT'LL BE UP TO THE HEARING OFFICER, UH, TO GRANT COMPLIANCE DISMISSALS, BUT IT MAY NOT OCCUR.
THEY MAY STILL PAY THE $25 FIRST, THE $75 SECOND OR THE HUNDRED 53RD, FOURTH AND FIFTH EVEN IF THEY COMPLIED.
SO IF 200 IS WHERE WE MAX OUT AND THE MINIMAL CRIMINAL CITATION IS STARTING AT 200, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE OUR THIRD OFFENSE AT 200.
WHATEVER YOU DECIDE ON THE SECOND OFFENSE, I DON'T REALLY CARE AS LONG AS IT'S BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, A, A REASONABLE AMOUNT, UM, 2,500 AND 200.
LIKE AT SOME POINT WE AS THE CITY HAVE TO BASICALLY PUT OUR FOOT DOWN AND SHOW PEOPLE LIKE YOU, YOU HAVE TO GET IT TOGETHER.
SO, BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE IT TOGETHER ARE WHAT MAKES US AS A WHOLE LOOK LIKE TRASH.
AND SO I, I THINK THAT YOU GUYS PUT IN SO MUCH WORK IN GETTING PEOPLE TO GET INTO COMPLIANCE, AND IF SOMEONE IS A SECOND OR THIRD OFFENDER, LIKE JEFF SAID, THEY JUST DON'T CARE.
SO IF YOU DON'T CARE, WHY, WHY AM I GONNA MAKE SURE THAT WE, OH, LET ME CODDLE YOU WHILE YOU DON'T CARE.
LIKE WE, WE DO ENOUGH OF THAT IN OTHER WAYS OF THE CITY.
LIKE THIS IS ONE I, I AM OKAY WITH FINDING A THIRD AT $200.
UM, I MEAN, YEAH, I MEAN I THINK AS FAR AS THE NUMBER GOES OF HOW MUCH THE FINES ARE, I MEAN IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE, WE WANT THE FINES INCREASED, UM, YOU KNOW, BE LAX ON THE FIRST OFFENSE, HIT 'EM HEAVIER ON THE SECOND OFFENSE, AND JUST PUT THE FEAR OF GOD INTO HIM ON THE THIRD OFFENSE.
UM, AND I THINK WHATEVER NUMBER YOU GUYS COME UP WITH AND PRESENT THE ACCOUNT TO BE OKAY WITH, AND WE'RE STILL GIVING WARNINGS, CORRECT? YES.
SO JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, AGAIN, FOR THE CRANKY ON THE INTERNET LATER, UM, IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE JUST, YOU GOT, YOU GOT NO WARNING, YOU'RE JUST HIT WITH A, WITH A $25 FINE AND THAT'S IT.
SO, UM, YOU GUYS STILL USE YOUR JUDGMENT ON WHO NEEDS CODE CARES HELP.
I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S SO MANY AVENUES FOR PEOPLE THAT, THAT IF THEY CANNOT HAVE PHYSICALLY OR FINANCIALLY HAVE THE WORK DONE, WE HAVE ENOUGH AVENUES IN THE CITY TO HELP THOSE PEOPLE SHOULD THEY CHOOSE TO ASK FOR THE HELP.
SO I, I THINK THAT THIS IS GONNA BE, I I, I SEE IT BEING A VERY GOOD TURNING POINT FOR THE CITY OVERALL.
UM, DEFINITELY APPEARANCE WISE, BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME AREAS THAT DEFINITELY COULD USE IT.
SO, SO WE'LL CERTAINLY REVISE, WE'LL COME UP WITH A DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATION.
IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE IN ALIGNMENT ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, CAPPING AT 200.
UM, WE'LL COME BACK WITH SOMETHING FROM THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE, 35, 100, 200, SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT, AND WE'LL BE READY TO PRESENT IT.
UM, AND THEN JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THE POINT THAT IF SOMEBODY COMMUNICATES WITH US, AS YOU MENTIONED, WE DO HAVE THE COLD CARES OPTION AND PEOPLE ALSO HAVE THE OPTION OF COMMUNICATING WITH US.
LIKE THE SEVEN DAYS IS NOT CHISELED IN A STONE TABLET.
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IF YOU CALL US AND YOU HAVE EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES AND YOU NEED THREE DAYS, NOT THREE WEEKS, BUT IF YOU NEED THREE DAYS TO COMPLY, OF COURSE WE'LL WORK WITH YOU.SO THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS BEFORE WE GET TO THIS POINT, BUT THIS IS A LINE IN THE SAND.
AND THANK YOU JUDGE SOLDEN AND SEAN FOR COMING OUT AND THANK YOU SEAN.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO ROLLING THIS BAD BOY OUT.
ALRIGHT, THANK Y'ALL VERY EVERYBODY.
AND IF WE DON'T SEE YOU BEFORE, MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE.
WE ARE GOING TO JUMP BACK UP TO ITEM THREE EIGHT, THE ADOPT A STREET PROGRAM ROOM.
WE HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF STAFF HERE FOR THIS ONE.
YOUR GARLANDS MUST BE, I TALKED TO HIM LESS THAN THERE IS.
OH, DOES SOMEBODY WANNA GO ON THAT SIDE? OKAY, WAIT.
MY NAME IS DELEE WILLIAMS, MANAGING DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION.
I HAVE WITH ME TODAY CARRIE PACHECO, WHO'S PARK OPERATIONS DIRECTOR AND JOSE SUE DIAZ, WHO'S OUR VOLUNTEER GARLAND COORDINATOR.
AND HE HAS BEEN A WEALTH OF KNOWLEDGE, UM, TO HELP US THROUGH THIS.
HE HAS A LOT OF BACKGROUND, UH, AND DONE THESE TYPES OF PROGRAMS BEFORE.
SO HIS HANDS ARE ALL IN THIS ALONG WITH INPUT JUST FROM STAFF AND ALSO THIS, UM, OBVIOUSLY WAS BROUGHT FORWARD BY MS. GREEN.
AND SO WHAT INITIATED THIS CONVERSATION? SO ON THE ADOPT A SPOT, UH, THE OVERVIEW IS THERE'S A COUPLE OF MODELS THAT ARE OUT THERE.
WE HAVE A VOLUNTEER BASED MODEL, SPONSORSHIP BASED, OR WHAT WE'RE CALLING A HYBRID MODEL.
UM, SO THOSE ARE OPTIONS THAT ARE OUT THERE.
TWO DIFFERENT MODELS TO GO INTO DETAIL.
THE VOLUNTEER MODEL, UH, THIS IS REALLY ABOUT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
IT IS GETTING OUR RESIDENTS, CITIZENS OF GARLAND INVOLVED IN BEING PROACTIVELY, UM, TAKING CARE OF THE CITY AND THE AMENITIES.
SO THINK ABOUT OUR RESIDENTS, UM, SCHOOLS, CHURCHES, GETTING THEM INVOLVED TO CLEAN THEIR OWN SITES.
THE CITY PROVIDES THE SUPPLIES FOR THESE TYPES OF EVENTS.
WE WANT OUR CITIZENS INVOLVED IN THIS EFFORT.
AND THEN THE OTHER MODEL WOULD BE THE SPONSORSHIP MODEL.
THIS WOULD BE BASED ON DONATIONS THAT WE COULD RECEIVE FROM INDIVIDUALS OR FROM BUSINESSES.
AND THE CITY THEN WOULD RECOGNIZE THOSE DONATIONS THROUGH DIFFERENT EFFORTS, WHETHER THAT'S SIGNAGE, UM, T-SHIRTS, EVENTS, PROMOTION, MARKETING, DEPENDING UPON THE DIRECTION THAT WE GO WITH THAT TYPE OF A MODEL.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU ALL REQUESTED FROM US WAS TO DO SOME BENCHMARKING.
AND SO YOU'LL SEE THE FIVE CITIES THAT ARE HERE IN NORTH TEXAS THAT ARE LISTED.
ALL OF THOSE ARE VOLUNTEER BASED MODELS.
AND IN TALKING WITH HOSTWAY ABOUT THAT, THAT'S VERY INDICATIVE OF WHAT MAJORITY OF THE STATE OF TEXAS MODELS LOOK LIKE.
THEY ARE VOLUNTEER BASED, UM, AUSTIN, WHICH IS KIND OF THAT GOLD STANDARD.
IT IS ONE OF THE CITIES THAT MS. GREEN ASKED US TO LOOK AT.
SO THEY HAVE THE VOLUNTEER EFFORTS, BUT THEN THEY ALSO HAVE OPPORTUNITIES FOR BUSINESSES, CORPORATIONS TO GET INVOLVED, DO DONATIONS AND DO SPONSORSHIPS FOR DIFFERENT PROMOTIONAL, UM, OPPORTUNITIES.
AND THEN WE'VE ADDED TEXT ON HERE BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S FAMILIAR WITH THE ADOPTIVE PORTION OF THE HIGHWAY, UH, THAT'S OUT THERE.
AND THAT'S STRICTLY A SPONSORSHIP MODEL.
WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS MORE OF A HYBRID MODEL OF THE TWO.
SO IT'S BASICALLY ENHANCING THE EFFORTS THAT, UH, VOLUNTEER GARLAND IS ALREADY DOING AND ADDING THAT SPONSORSHIP MODEL.
SO AGAIN, SOME OF THOSE REGIONAL BENCHMARKS, JUST TO GO INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ABOUT THAT SLIDE.
UM, AGAIN, MOST OF THE, THE CITIES IN THE AREA ARE VOLUNTEERED CENTERED.
THERE ARE A FEW SPONSORSHIP MODELS.
UH, ONE YEAR CONTRACTS ARE VERY STANDARD IN REGARDS TO THE BENCHMARKS.
AND THEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT LIKE A ONE TO TWO MILE STRETCH.
IF YOU'RE SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT LIKE ADOPT A STREET PROGRAMS, THAT'S THE STANDARD, THAT'S THE NORM.
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SO AN OVERVIEW OF JUST THE HYBRID MODEL THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS BASICALLY, UH, THE VOLUNTEER ADOPT A SPOT.AND WHY ARE WE SAYING ADOPT A SPOT VERSUS ADOPT A STREET? THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT HAVE DIFFERENT INTERESTS IN WHAT THEY WANT TO VOLUNTEER FOR.
SOME ARE BIG INTO LAKESHORE CLEANING, SOME MAY ONLY BE, UM, INVESTED IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD AND REALLY WANT TO SEE CHANGES THERE.
SO THIS ADOPT A SPOT PROGRAM ALLOWS US TO BE MORE INCLUSIVE, UM, OF THE DIFFERENT TYPE OF LITTER PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WE HAVE A LITTER PROGRAM THAT HOSTWAY IS BUILDING AND HAS DONE A, A PHENOMENAL JOB.
UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WE ARE ALREADY, WE DO THE TRI-CITY CLEANUP, WE HAVE THE CODE, HE'S, UH, WORKING WITH THE CODE COMPLIANCE ON CODE CARES PROGRAMS, LAKESHORE EFFORTS, UH, THE SKATE PARK.
SO THERE ARE A LOT OF LITTER PROGRAMS ALREADY BEING IMPLEMENTED.
THESE ARE FREE TO THE COMMUNITY AND AGAIN, IT JUST ENCOURAGES THAT COMMUNITY OWNERSHIP AND THAT SENSE OF ENGAGEMENT IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND THEN WE'RE PROPOSING YOU COULD DO A SPONSORSHIP MODEL.
THOSE WOULD BE PAID AND WOULD COME WITH SOME SORT OF SIGNAGE, PROMOTIONAL EFFORTS WITH THOSE.
I'M GONNA LET JOSUE GO INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILS ON WHAT OUR PROPOSED HYBRID MODEL WOULD LOOK LIKE, UM, BECAUSE HE HAS EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO NOTE.
UM, HE STARTED THIS PROGRAM IN, IN ALLEN.
UM, HE'S WORKED IN OTHER, UM, AREAS.
SO HE, HE KNOWS WHAT WORKS BASED ON EXPERIENCE AND HE KNOWS SOME OF THE CHALLENGES OF THINGS.
DOESN'T SAY THEY WOULDN'T WORK, BUT THE CHALLENGES THAT WE COULD ENCOUNTER.
UM, WE ARE PROPOSING A HYBRID BOTTLE.
UH, AFTER DOING SOME RESEARCH WITH THE SPONSOR, UH, MODEL, I, I LIKED IT.
I LIKED THE I THE SUGGESTION AND THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A REALLY GOOD ADDITION TO ESPECIALLY THE CUSTOM PROGRAM THAT THE CITY OF GARLAND IS PUTTING TOGETHER THROUGH THE VOLUNTEER PROGRAM.
AND, UH, THE, THE MODEL THAT WE ARE, UH, SUGGESTING THAT WE DO IS A TWO YEAR PROGRAM CONTRACT FOR, UH, ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO ADOPT A SPOT.
IT, IT, IT'S, UH, WILL CAPTURE A GOOD PORTION OF 90% OF THE POPULATION THAT ARE COMING FROM SCHOOLS, UH, NONPROFITS, UH, BUSINESSES, UH, AND ANYBODY THAT'S IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT HAS AN INTEREST IN THIS, IT'S OPEN TO THEM AND REMOVES A LOT OF THE BARRIERS THAT COULD BE IN, IN THEIR WAY.
UM, THEY, THERE'S A CERTIFICATION PROCESS CALLED A YEAR OF SERVICE THAT, UH, A LOT OF CITIES, UM, WHEN THEY IMPLEMENT A PROGRAM LIKE THIS, EVENTUALLY WHEN THEY HIT THE 5, 10, 15 YEAR MARK THERE, THERE BECOMES A DECAY, UH, THAT YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL OF AND YOU HAVE TO FUTURE PLAN YOUR CITY SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE, UH, SIGN POLLUTION THROUGHOUT THE CITY STAFF, UH, CHANGES AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT COULD GO OUT OF THE CONTROL.
AND SO WE HAVE A YEAR OF SERVICE IN WHICH ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO PARTICIPATE AND WE, WE TELL THEM, HEY, NOT EVERYBODY, UM, KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE GETTING INTO WHEN THEY'RE DOING A LITTER CLEANUP.
THEY'RE HOT, THEY'RE COLD, IT'S THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, WE'RE MAKING A CONTRACT.
AND A YEAR SERVICE PROVIDES THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO TAKE A TOUR OF THE CITY AND TRY THE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS BEFORE THEY ACTUALLY SIGN.
EITHER COULD BE A, A PARK, IT COULD BE A STREET, IT COULD BE A WATERWAY, IT COULD BE A SCHOOL, A CHURCH LOCATION, OR A NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO THESE ARE THE DIFFERENT THINGS.
THE MINIMUM WOULD BE FOUR CLEANUPS A YEAR.
IT'S VERY, YOU KNOW, QUARTERLY WE TELL THEM, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN DO IT FOUR TIMES A YEAR.
UH, THE, THE VERIFICATION PROCESS OF IT WOULD BE YOU'D HAVE TO SUBMIT, UH, A CLEANUP REPORT AT THE CONCLUSION OF THAT.
SO WE CAN CAPTURE OUR DATA AND STATS AND SOME PICTURES.
UH, AND WE GUIDE THEM THROUGH THAT, THROUGH AN ORIENTATION PROCESS.
UM, HOW DO WE HANDLE INACTIVE GROUPS? THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CAN GET KIND OF IFFY FROM, FROM PLACE TO PLACE.
BUT INACTIVE GROUPS, BASICALLY AT THE END OF A CONTRACT YEAR, EVERYBODY, IT'S OVER.
SO WHETHER YOU WERE YOU WERE ACTIVE OR INACTIVE, THE PROCESS OF SIGNAGE MAGE IS HAPPENED AND TURNED OVER TO, UH, THIS AREA IS ADOPTABLE.
SO THAT YOUR PROGRAM FUNCTIONS AS COMMUNITY OUTREACH.
IT'S ALWAYS COMMUNICATING TO THE PUBLIC IN A CONTROLLED MANNER THAT THIS IS WHAT GARLAND STANDS FOR.
THAT'S WHAT THE SIGN PURPOSES OF IT IS.
NOW, IN ORDER FOR THOSE ORGANIZATIONS TO CONTINUE IN THE PROGRAM, THEY HAVE TO REMAIN ACTIVE.
THEY HAVE TO ACTIVELY SEEK TO RESIGN
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SO THAT THEY CAN KEEP THEIR SIGNS.IT'S NOT THE BURDEN ON US FOR THEM TO KEEP THEIR SIGN.
THEY'RE NOT ANSWERING QUESTIONS.
AND IF THEY'RE NOT ENGAGING AND IF THEY'RE NOT DOING THEIR CLEANUPS, WHY HAVE 10 YEARS OF SIGNAGE UP THERE THAT'S POLLUTING YOUR TOWN? SO THERE'S A BUILT IN PROCESS THAT'S TAUGHT THROUGH THE ORIENTATION PROCESS AND SAFETY TRAINING FOR ANY ORGANIZATION, PAID OR UNPAID.
PART OF THAT IS WE HAVE LITTER KITS THAT INCLUDES BAGS, VESTS, GLOVES AND PICKERS.
AND THIS CITY IS VERY UNIQUE IN THAT WE ARE TACKLING VERY AGGRESSIVELY WATERWAY CLEANUPS.
IT'S A PASSION OF OURS AND WE HAVE UNIQUE EQUIPMENT THAT WE'RE BUILT THAT, UH, A LITTLE BIT TO NOTE IS THAT, UM, COMING INTO US, THIS CITY, UH, WE HAVE ALL RIGHT NOW THE CURRENT EQUIPMENT TO GO FOR UP TO I THINK 20 SPOTS, UH, TO SUPPORT SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
UNDER THE CURRENT, WE HAD A GRANT FOR ABOUT 87,000 LAST YEAR.
AND WE'RE SET UP, WE HAVE TRAILER, WE HAVE A NETWORK.
WE'RE WE, WE CAN, WE CAN HIT GO ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
UM, NOW, BUT THE GROWTH OF IT IS THE PART THAT YOU WOULD NEED TO SOLVE THAT IS THE PROPOSED HYBRID MODEL.
SO CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE WANTED TO BRING FORWARD, SO Y'ALL CAN DISCUSS, PROVIDE SOME MORE DIRECTION FOR US TO, UM, DO SOME MORE WORK ON IS, SO WE ARE DOING LITTER CLEANUPS CURRENTLY WE'RE CONTINUING TO GROW THE VOLUNTEER GARLAND DATABASE.
SO A LOT OF PEOPLE TALK ABOUT TAPPING INTO THAT DATABASE.
SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE WE'RE AT ABOUT 1400 VOLUNTEERS RIGHT NOW.
AND THAT IS BECAUSE WE'RE GROWING THIS.
AND THE WAY YOU GROW IT IS YOU START OFF BY GOING TO THE SCHOOLS, THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT NEED THE SERVICE HOURS, THE DIFFERENT LEADERSHIP GROUPS MAYBE THAT, YOU KNOW, REQUIRE SOME SORT OF VOLUNTEER EFFORTS, YET THE GREAT WAY TO THEN GROW AND GET OTHERS INVOLVED.
YOU HOOK IN THEIR PARENTS, YOU START, YOU KNOW, THEY TALK TO THEIR FRIENDS AND SO FORTH AND SO ON.
WE ARE DOING COMMUNITY OUTREACH, FOR EXAMPLE.
WE WERE, UM, THE VOLUNTEER GARLAND HAD A PRESENCE AT, UH, CHRISTMAS ON THE SQUARE AND WAS GETTING PEOPLE TO SIGN UP FOR THE DATABASE SO THAT THEY'RE AWARE THAT THIS PROGRAM EXISTS.
AND SO THEY LEARN HOW THE DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES ARE THAT ARE OUT THERE.
I THINK THE OTHER THING TO NOTE ON THIS IS ONE OF THE COMMENTS WAS, WELL, IF WE DIDN'T ADOPT A SPOT AND A BUSINESS WANTS TO DONATE, WE'LL JUST SEND THE VOLUNTEERS THAT ARE ALREADY OUT THERE TO DO THOSE TRASH PICKUPS.
WELL, I DON'T WANNA BE VOLUNTOLD, I WANNA VOLUNTEER FOR THE EFFORTS THAT I'M PASSIONATE ABOUT, WHICH MAY NOT BE LIT.
THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, EFFORTS THAT JOSUE HAS BEEN WORKING ON WITH VOLUNTEER GARLAND.
IT MAY BE GOING TO GO TO THE LIBRARIES AND READ OR GOING TO SENIORS.
I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO GET INVOLVED.
AND SO WE DON'T WANNA JUST BE DEPENDENT UPON THE EXISTING DATABASE TO BE THE ONES TO GO OUT AND DO THOSE EFFORTS.
WE WANT PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO SIGN UP FOR THOSE EFFORTS IF THAT'S WHAT THEY WANNA DO.
UH, OF COURSE THERE'S FUNDING ISSUES.
SO CURRENTLY THE PROGRAM, UH, FOR VOLUNTEER GARLAND HAS ONE FULL-TIME STAFF.
UH, THERE ARE THE COST OF THE SIGNS AND THE SUPPLIES THAT WOULD BE NEEDED, UM, AND THE UPKEEP OF THOSE.
UH, WE CAN EXPLORE GRANT OPPORTUNITIES WITH KEEP GARLAND BEAUTIFUL.
BUT AS YOU ALL MAY BE AWARE, THERE ARE SOME FUNDING CHALLENGES AT THE STATE LEVEL WITH THE KEEP GAR OR WITH THE KEEP KEEP TEXAS BEAUTIFUL PROGRAM.
SO WE DON'T WANNA NECESSARILY COUNT ON THAT IF IT'S, IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEING RESTRICTED.
UH, WE WOULD WANNA IDENTIFY THE CORRIDOR LOCATIONS AND BE VERY INTENTIONAL ABOUT HOW WE START THIS EFFORT AND WHERE DO WE START THIS EFFORT.
SO WE DON'T TAKE A SHOTGUN APPROACH, BUT THAT WE'RE VERY METHODICAL ABOUT THE LOCATIONS THAT WE WANT TO DO FOR.
UH, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT JUST SPECIFICALLY LIKE THE ADOPT A STREET PROGRAM, WE HAVE, UH, TO WORK THROUGH TRASH COLLECTION FROM THE SITES.
SO WHETHER THEY LEAVE THEIR TRASH THERE THAT THEY'VE COLLECTED ON SITE AND IT NEEDS TO BE PICKED UP EITHER BY SANITATION OR THE PARK OPERATIONS ROUTE THAT GOES AROUND, OR IS IT SOMETHING WHERE THEY DROP OFF AT A LOCATION SO THAT THOSE TYPES OF DETAILS WOULD NEED TO BE WORKED OUT.
UM, SO THAT THAT TRASH IS NOT NOTED FOR IDENTIFIED, FLAGGED AS ILLEGAL DUMPING.
YOU CAN PUT IT IN SPECIAL YELLOW, BRIGHT YELLOW BAGS.
SO CODE KNOWS OKAY, THAT THAT'S TO BE PICKED UP.
AND THEN, UH, CARRIE PULLED SOME INFORMATION.
SO WE DO HAVE A, A RIGHT OF WAY MAINTENANCE CONTRACT THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE WHERE WE MAINTAIN 196 TOTAL ACRES.
SO THERE'S 76 LOCATIONS AND 99 POINT TO POINTS.
AND SO SHE PROVIDED AN EXAMPLE ON THIS SLIDE WHERE, SO FOR EXAMPLE, CENTERVILLE.
SO EACH OF THOSE FOUR LOCATIONS ARE A POINT TO POINT AND THEY TOTAL UP IN THE ACREAGE THAT, UH, CONTRACT IS $390,000
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ANNUALLY.IT'S NOT SPECIFIC JUST FOR LITTER.
THEY'RE ALSO DOING THE MOWING AND THE EDGING, BUT WHILE THEY'RE THERE, THEY'RE DOING THE LITTER PICKUP.
SO JUST WANTED TO KIND OF GIVE YOU A FULL PICTURE OF THINGS AND EFFORTS THAT ARE UNDERWAY AND THINGS TO CONSIDER AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS DISCUSSION.
WITH THAT, WE'LL BE ABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR
UM, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT.
UM, I WILL LET Y'ALL GO FIRST, SISTER.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, IT SOUNDS WONDERFUL.
I'VE BEEN PART OF TWO DIFFERENT LITTER PICKUP GROUPS IN THE PAST FOR GARLAND CHANDLER HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
WE DID OUR, WE HAD OUR OWN LITTLE LITTER CLEANUP WEEKLY AROUND THE, AROUND THE, OUR, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THEN, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BASS AND I BOTH WERE PARTICIPANTS IN THE GARLAND FIREFIGHTERS, UH, CLUB LITTER PICKUP AROUND ADOPT A STATION AROUND OUR, UH, FIRE STATIONS.
UM, COVID KIND OF KILLED BOTH OF THOSE PROJECTS, SO IT WOULD BE NICE TO GET THOSE STARTED AGAIN WITH SOME RECOGNITION AND SOME ASSISTANCE FROM THE CITY BECAUSE BOTH OF THOSE, WE PROVIDED OUR OWN SUPPLIES.
SO WE DID A LOT OF GROCERY BAG STUFFING WHEN WE DID THOSE CLEANUPS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO TRASH BAGS.
SO EACH VOLUNTEER PROVIDED THEIR OWN GLOVES, EACH VOLUNTEER PROVIDED THEIR OWN PICKER, AND THEN WE USED WHATEVER TRASH BAGS WE HAD.
SO IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE FROM THE CITY.
AND THEN THOSE PROGRAMS WOULD PROBABLY GET STARTED BACK UP AGAIN.
BUT I KNOW NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS WOULD LOVE TO DO THIS IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS.
I KNOW FIRE CLUB AND, UH, OUR PO UH, CITIZENS POLICE ACADEMY ALUMNI ASSOCIATION, THOSE ARE AREA, THOSE ARE GROUPS THAT WOULD LOVE TO DO THESE THINGS, BUT HAVING ACCESS TO THE SUPPLIES LIMITS THOSE.
SO I THINK IT'S A GREAT PROGRAM AND THANK YOU SO MUCH.
I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE GET THESE SUBGROUPS SIGNED UP SO WE HAVE ACCESS TO THE MATERIALS? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.
I WILL GIVE A PART OF AN ANSWER, JUST A COMMENT BACK TO THAT IS JOSUE HAS DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB OF GETTING OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY, MEETING WITH DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS, MEETING WITH NEIGHBORHOODS TO PROMOTE HIS EFFORTS AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
SO THAT FALLS IN LINE WITH YOUR COMMENTS AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANNA PROVIDE ON THAT.
I WAS GONNA SAY, I WAS GONNA SAY THAT, UH, WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING IS THE GRASSROOT METHOD, THE RE THE, IF WE'RE DOING THIS IN ANY CITY, IF WE ARE TRANSPORTING OUR EFFORTS TO HELP ANY COMMUNITY THAT WE COME TO, WE'RE TRAINED.
THE GROCERY STORE, UH, BAGS REUSABLE.
THAT'S HOW WE COME TOGETHER AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE A PART OF A COLLECTION OF THAT.
AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN I FIRST CAME HERE, I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WE WERE GONNA WALK INTO.
WE HAVE A BUNCH OF GROCERY STORE BAGS FOR THAT SAME REASON, TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT.
'CAUSE I CAN'T WAIT FOR A GAP IN FUNDING OR THIS AND THAT.
SO WE HAVE THOSE THINGS READY TO GO ALREADY PREPARED.
THE VOLUNTEERS HAVE PUT TOGETHER, UH, IN THE WORST CASE OF SOMETHING WE, THERE WAS A GAP.
I MEAN, OUR NEXT STEP WOULD BE TO CONTINUE TO CONNECT AND ANNOUNCE AND, AND PUSH OUT WHEN WE ARE, UH, ORGANIZATIONALLY READY TO SUPPORT THOSE LITTER KITS.
RIGHT NOW, WE ARE DOING WHAT WE ARE MARKETING AS, UH, SINGLE SERVE KITS.
AND, UH, I WENT ON VACATION OVER THANKSGIVING AND WE HAD AN ORGANIZED OFFICE CLEANUP, AND WE HAD THREE NEIGHBORHOOD CLEANUPS THAT MOMS AND DADS AND LITTLE SOMEBODY CAME BY THE OFFICE, PICKED UP A KIT AND DID THEIR PART.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANNA GET TO IS EVERYBODY COMING TOGETHER, UH, AND US, UH, AND TRAINING AND PROVIDING THAT.
SO IT HAPPENS ACROSS THE CITY.
UM, JOSE HU I REALLY, YOU KNOW, E EVERY TIME I TALK TO YOU, I REALLY JUST APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAVE.
UM, I THINK YOU'VE BEEN A GREAT ASSET TO THE CITY IN THE SHORT TIME THAT YOU'VE BEEN HERE.
AND, UM, REALLY, REALLY LIKE HAVING HERE.
CAN WE GO BACK TO THE PAGE WITH THE KIT ON IT FOR A SECOND? MM-HMM
I DIDN'T WRITE DOWN EVERYTHING THAT WAS ON THERE.
I JUST, I, I DIDN'T REMEMBER WHETHER VESTS WERE ON THERE OR NOT.
I THINK THAT'S, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE DOING ADOPT A STREET, WE DEFINITELY WANNA HAVE THAT VISIBILITY.
AND THEN WHAT IS OUR DO? AND LET'S SAY WE DO THE HYBRID MODEL AND WE GET BUSINESSES TO SPONSOR, AND BUSINESSES WANNA DO THAT.
I MEAN, THEY GET A FREE SIGN ON THE ROAD AND IT SHOWS PEOPLE THEY CARE ABOUT THEIR COMMUNITY AND ALL THAT.
SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT, THEY GET A BENEFIT FROM IT, HOPEFULLY FINANCIALLY FOR THEM TOO, RIGHT? SO I THINK THAT WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO, UM, REALLY GET BUSINESSES SIGNED UP.
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HOW ARE WE GOING TO MARKET IT TO THESE BUSINESSES? UM, AND THEN I THINK ON THE FEE PAGE, THERE WAS A FEE ON THERE.DOES THAT FEE COVER, UM, THE TIME IT TAKES TO MARKET TO THEM, DOES IT COVER THE COST OF PRINTING THE SIGN? AND WE'VE GOT OTHER THINGS THAT SHOW ASSOCIATED WITH THIS AS WELL, ONCE WE DO SIGN.
YEAH, I THINK THE FIRST COMMENT, AND I'M GONNA LET HIM GO INTO MORE DETAILS, IS THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO WORK THROUGH, RIGHT? SO LIKE, IF WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A DONATION, WE ARE, THEN THAT'S GONNA BE A NEXT STEP FOR US.
IF THAT IS THE DIRECTION YOU WOULD LIKE FOR US TO LOOK AT IS, OKAY, IF THEY'RE NOT WILLING TO COME IN THE BUSINESSES AND DO THE FOUR CLEANUPS, WHICH WOULD BE GREAT.
THAT'S, THAT'S IDEAL, RIGHT? BUT IF THEY'RE NOT, OKAY, THEN WHAT'S THE CONTRACT DOLLARS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT THAT WE WOULD NEED TO PUT ON CONTRACT IF IT'S NOT ALREADY? UM, WHAT IS, YOU KNOW, THE COST OF THE SIGNS, UH, AND ANY OTHER, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE'RE GONNA DO TIERS, IF WE'RE GONNA DO DIFFERENT, OR IF WE'RE GONNA START WITH A BASIC, LIKE THIS IS OUR MODEL RIGHT NOW AND ADD ON AS THE PROGRAM GROWS, THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE NOT FINISHED YET.
SO IF A BUSINESS, SO LET'S SAY, I GUESS THIS IS THE SCENARIO IN MY HEAD, RIGHT? I'VE GOT, I'VE GOT JEFF'S WIDGET COMPANY, RIGHT? AND I WANT TO SPONSOR A MILE OF ROAD IN FRONT OF MY BUSINESS, OKAY? SO COME TO THE CITY, I SAY, HEY, HOW MUCH DOES IT COST ME TO DO THIS? GIVE YOU THE MONEY, WHATEVER THAT IS.
YOU PUT UP A SIGN AT ONE END OR BOTH ENDS AND THEN, YOU KNOW, GO THROUGH THE CLASS AND ALL THAT.
SO IN THAT CASE, WOULD THE, AND I'M PICTURING THE EMPLOYEES OF THE BUSINESS, RIGHT? I'M PICTURING THIS, IF, IF A BUSINESS IS SPONSORING THAT STRETCH OF ROAD, THEN THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT A TO Z.
NOW, WOULD THEIR EMPLOYEES THAT GO OUT AND DO, YOU KNOW, DO THE CLEANUP, WOULD THEY BE HAVE TO BE SIGNED UP AS VOLUNTEERS TO THE CITY AND GO THROUGH ALL OF THAT? WELL, OR THEY JUST SEND ANY OF THEIR EMPLOYEES OUT? SO, UH, GOOD QUESTION.
SO THAT, THAT IS MY BREAD AND BUTTER, RIGHT? UH, THE REASON WE'RE PROPOSING THAT HYBRID MODEL IS WE DON'T WANNA TIE INTO JUST ONE LIKE YOUR BUSINESS.
WE WANNA HAVE THAT OPTION FOR, FOR THOSE THAT NEED IT.
IF YOU ARE STRAIGHT OFF THE, THE, UH, OFF THE STREET AND YOU'RE APPROACHING ME COLD CALLING AND YOU'RE LIKE, HEY, I WANNA GET INVOLVED, UH, MY JOB IS TO CUSTOMER SERVICE YOU.
AND OUR HIGHEST GOALS IS TO ENGAGE YOU AS A BUSINESS PERSON IN OUR COMMUNITY.
YOU ARE IMPORTANT, YOUR WORKERS ARE IMPORTANT.
YOU HAVE A VISIBILITY, YOU HAVE A BIGGER IMPACT THAN THE AVERAGE PERSON BECAUSE OF THE FOOTPRINT THAT YOU HAVE.
NOW, IF YOU WANNA CLEAN UP A STREET IN FRONT OF YOUR BUSINESS, THAT'S LOGICAL, MAKES SENSE.
I ABSOLUTELY WANT TO ADOPT THAT TO YOU.
PUT UP A SIGN IF I'M, IF I'M GIVEN THE FUNDING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT AND THEN GUIDE YOU.
TAKE THE PICTURES, SEND ME THE STATS.
AT THE END OF YOUR CYCLE, WHICH IS ABOUT THREE TO FIVE YEARS, THE AVERAGE SPOT, THAT SIGN ALSO BECOMES A THANK YOU.
WE TOTAL, WE GO, HEY, HERE'S YOUR TOTAL AMOUNT.
YOU DID, UH, THIS MANY, YOU KNOW, 800 HOURS, HERE'S YOUR SIGN.
IT, IT DOUBLES AS AN APPRECIATION GIFT RATHER THAN A SEPARATE BUDGET THAT YOU GAVE ME FOR A CUP OR A T-SHIRT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO, BUT LET'S SAY YOU CAN'T, YOU DON'T HAVE THE WORKERS TO DO THAT.
YOU'RE A CORPORATE, YOU, WHATEVER IT IS.
THEN WE HAVE THE SPONSOR MODEL.
YOU STILL WANNA SIGN, YOU STILL WANT TO CONTRIBUTE.
YOU KNOW, I NEED SOME OF THE FUNDING FOR LITTER KITS.
WE'RE LIKE, WE'RE IN A TIGHT COUPLE OF YEARS THEN YEAH, GIVE ME A CERTAIN AMOUNT.
IT COVERS THE RUNNING, THE COST OF THE, OF THE PROGRAM OVER THE, THE NEXT FEW YEARS, RIGHT? I'M GOING TO BUY MORE, MORE REPLACEMENT, UH, KITS AND VESTS AND EQUIPMENT TO KEEP IT RUNNING.
WE'RE TRYING TO RUN LEAN, RESPECTFUL OF THE, OF THE COMMUNITY'S MONEY AND WE CAN OPERATE RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE GOOD FOR THE NEXT THREE YEARS AFTER THAT.
SO IN THAT SITUATION, THE SPONSOR MODEL WOULD BE AN UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU ARE PAYING FOR THAT ADVERTISEMENT AND WE'LL HAVE TO WORK OUT WHO IS GONNA CLEAN IT.
THAT'S THE PART WHERE, WELL, I DON'T KNOW.
SO SOME, SO IF BUSINESS COULD SPONSOR JUST THROUGH A DONATION AND NOT THROUGH LABOR.
AND HOPEFULLY I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT ONE COST MORE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT PROVIDING THE LABOR.
WE'RE HAVING TO FIND THE LABOR TOO.
SO I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT THAT PART OF THAT MODEL COST MORE.
I THINK THEIR DONATION OR THAT THEY GIVE NEEDS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT COVERS AT LEAST THE COST OF THE SIGN.
SO, SO WE ARE FORTUNATE THAT OUR TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT CAN
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MAKE SIGNS IN HOUSE.UM, SO I, DO YOU GUYS KNOW I'M A BIG FAN OF ALL OF VOLUNTEER ANYTHING? UM, SO I, I APPRECIATE THIS VERY MUCH.
HOWEVER,
RIGHT? UM, AND SOMETHING LIKE THIS, I, I DON'T WANT YOU TO, TO SPONSOR, TO ADOPT A SPOT IN FRONT OF YOUR OWN BUSINESS.
LIKE THAT'S, THAT'S ACTUALLY YOUR CIVIC DUTY AS A BUSINESS OWNER IS TO KEEP YOUR GROUNDS CLEAN.
I'M NOT GONNA REWARD YOU WITH A SIGN BECAUSE YOU DID WHAT YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO DO.
BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER THING.
BUT I, BECAUSE VOLUNTEER GARLAND IS SO NEW, UM, I REALLY, REALLY THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO FOCUS ON.
WE NEED TO FOCUS ON BUILDING THE PROGRAM AS A WHOLE.
I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S A BAD IDEA TO GO TO, TO SOME OF THESE LARGER, UM, CORPORATIONS AND ASK LIKE, HEY, DO, DO YOU WANNA BE A SPONSOR FOR VOLUNTEER GARLAND? AND IT IT WITH ZERO STRINGS OTHER THAN WE'LL SLAP YOUR LOGO ON SOMETHING, WHETHER THAT'S A VEST OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER.
UM, I, I THINK THAT THERE OPPORTUNITIES FOR GETTING A SPONSOR.
UM, BUT I DO WANNA SEE OUR, I REALLY, REALLY WANT US JUST TO FOCUS ON BUILDING VOLUNTEER GARLAND.
UH, ANDY HESSER, CITY MANAGER.
I, I JUST WANNA SAY, UM, I I KIND OF APPRECIATE THAT APPROACH RIGHT NOW.
UM, THE FACT THAT IT IS NEW AND, AND IT IS SO EFFECTIVE ALREADY.
UM, THIS ISN'T THE ONLY ASK WE'VE HAD, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF ASKS AND THE CODE CARES COMPONENT ALONE IS A SIGNIFICANT, UM, NEED AND IMPROVEMENT.
AND, AND I, AND I FEEL LIKE ULTIMATELY, HOWEVER THIS, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL DIRECTS US IS, IS FINE.
BUT I DO WANT TO SAY WE APPRECIATE THAT APPROACH BECAUSE IT'S KINDA LIKE THE ANALOGY I LIKE TO USE, REMEMBER TONKA TOYS? I THINK WE'RE ALL, REMEMBER TONKA TOYS AND MY FAVORITE WAS THE DUMP TRUCK.
AND YOU START PUTTING SAND IN THE BACK OF THE DUMP TRUCK AND YOU JUST SAYS YOU WANNA KEEP PUTTING MORE SAND IN IT.
WELL, EVENTUALLY SOME SAND STARTS FALLING OFF THE SIDES WHEN YOU PUT THE NEW SAND ON TOP.
WE WE'RE GONNA GET INTO A SITUATION TOO LONG THAT WE PUT THE NEW THING ON TOP AND THEN SOMETHING HAS TO GO.
AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS YET.
SO I THINK FOR NOW, LET'S, LET'S SEE HOW FAR THESE GUYS CAN TAKE SOMETHING.
THESE ARE GREAT PROGRAMS, THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.
UM, AND THEY TEND TO EBB AND FLOW WITH ENTHUSIASM WITH, WITH VOLUNTEERS, BUT THE WORK THAT THEY DO DOESN'T, IT HAS TO STILL COME WITH MANAGING IT AND WHATNOT.
SO, UM, WHAT THEY'VE ROLLED OUT IS FANTASTIC.
UM, AND WHEN WE GET THERE, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW WE'RE, UH, HIS, HIS DEPARTMENT IS 1.75 PEOPLE.
SO WE, UM, WOULD APPRECIATE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT, OF THAT, UM, APPROACH.
THANK YOU FOR REMINDING US THAT.
ONE OF THE FIRST, ONE OF THE FIRST SLIDES, IT CLEARLY SAYS THEY, IT IS A ONE FULL-TIME PERSON, UM, DEPARTMENT.
SO, UM, AND THEY, THEY ARE DOING AMAZING THINGS.
UM, JOSE AND KAITLYN ARE FANTASTIC.
UH, THE SATURDAY AFTER THANKSGIVING.
KAITLYN AND I WENT BACK AND FORTH AND BACK AND FORTH LIKE, OH GOD, ARE PEOPLE GONNA SHOW UP? 'CAUSE IT'S THANKSGIVING.
AND THEN IT WAS, IT WAS GONNA RAIN AND KAITLYN'S LIKE, DO WE CALL IT? AND I'M LIKE, NO, WE'RE NOT.
WE'RE NOT LIKE, WE'RE GONNA SHOW UP THAT MORNING.
AND WHAT HAPPENS HAPPENS IF WE HAVE TO LIKE, OKAY, FINE, WE'RE DONE.
WE HAD 32 PEOPLE SHOW UP, ONE OF WHICH WAS THE MOM.
UM, AND SHE MADE THE COMMENT THAT THE ONLY REASON I'M HERE IS 'CAUSE HE NEEDS SERVICE HOURS, BUT I FIGURED I MIGHT AS WELL JUST JOIN.
AND SHE WAS INCREDIBLE, INCREDIBLE.
AND SHE WAS SO EXCITED ABOUT BEING A PART OF THE NEXT ONE.
AND SO, AS YOU WERE SAYING TO LEE IS IT'S, IT'S ALL ABOUT GETTING THE KIDS WHO WILL THEN BRING THEIR PARENTS, THEIR FRIENDS, THEIR, THEIR PARENTS FRIENDS.
I MEAN, AND SO I, YOU GUYS ARE DOING AMAZING ALREADY AND I DON'T WANT TO HINDER THAT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.
I ONLY WANT TO SEE THIS PROGRAM GROW AND GROW SUCCESSFULLY THE WAY THAT IT SHOULD.
SO PROGRAM AS PRESENTED, FANTASTIC.
I JUST DON'T THINK THAT IT'S THE RIGHT TIME FOR US.
SO, UM, I I HOPE THAT YOU GUYS WILL AGREE AND UNDERSTAND WHERE, WHERE WE'RE KIND OF COMING FROM ON IT.
BUT, AND I CAN ADD A COMMENT ON THAT.
SO HOUE LITERALLY HAS JUST FINISHED A YEAR WITH THE CITY.
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AND THERE'S BEEN SO MUCH THAT HE HAS DONE IN THAT TIME TO EVEN BE WHERE WE ARE WITH THE ACTUAL PROGRAM.AND THESE EVENTS SPEAKS VOLUMES OF THE PACE AND THE PASSION THAT HE HAS FOR WHAT HE'S DOING, UM, FROM, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT JUST AREN'T THOUGHT OF, RIGHT? CREATING A VOLUNTEER MANUAL, UM, FIGURING OUT SOPS, UH, GETTING THE TRAILER, GETTING THE TRAILER WRAPPED, FIGURING OUT, UM, HE DOESN'T HAVE A SOCIAL MEDIA PAGE YET, BUT, YOU KNOW, PUSHING OUT SOCIAL MEDIA THROUGH THE GARLAND PARKS AND RECREATION FACEBOOK PAGE.
HE'S, UH, GOT EVERYTHING GOING WITH THE DATABASE.
LIKE THERE HAS BEEN, SO HIS, UM, SOFTWARE, THE, THE WEBSITE, THERE'S BEEN SO MUCH THAT HAS HAPPENED.
AND IN ALL OF THAT HE HAS COLLECTED, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK TO THE NUMBER, BUT HE HAS COLLECTED SOME SPONSORSHIPS THAT HAVE COME IN OR GRANTS.
SO I DO THINK THAT ORGANICALLY THESE THINGS ARE GOING TO HAPPEN.
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF PRIORITIZATION OF WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN FIRST.
AND I WOULD AGREE THAT I THINK WE'RE GONNA GET THERE, UM, AND WE'LL BE READY.
AND I THINK MAYBE IT'S A MATTER OF JUST WHETHER THAT'S QUARTERLY REPORTS OR SOME SORT OF REPORTING TO COUNCIL SO THAT THEY'RE AWARE OF WHAT IS GOING ON.
UM, BUT I, I DID WANNA JUST SPEAK TO THAT.
WE ARE, UH, PUTTING BIG PICTURE ITEMS INTO THE CITY MANAGER'S REPORT, AND I'M HOPING THAT, UH, PEOPLE ARE READING THOSE.
UH, I DON'T WANT TO, FOR EVERY 20 THINGS THAT ARE IN THE LITTER CLEANUP AREA, YOU'RE GETTING ONE, YOU'RE GETTING A SPRINKLE AND, UH, BIG PROGRAM IDEAS ARE COMING IN, DIRECTORS ARE WORKING WITH US, THE CITY'S COMING TOGETHER.
I'VE NEVER, I'VE NEVER BEEN PART OF A CITY THAT THAT REALLY TAKES THAT TEAM GARLAND TO HEART AND HAS REALLY ALLOWED THE, THE LIGHT, UH, OF THE SPIRIT BEHIND VOLUNTEERISM TO, TO REALLY BREATHE HERE.
AND THIS IS A REALLY GOOD PLACE FOR THAT.
IF I HAD TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, I WOULD SAY THE, UH, ADOPT A PROGRAM IS THE NATURAL EVOLUTION OF WHAT WE'RE DOING.
AND IT'S DUE TIME, UH, WE, WE DID THE FIRST PART OF OUR SETUP, BUT WE STILL NEED A COUPLE THINGS.
WE'RE STILL IN OTHER DEPARTMENTS WAITING FOR THINGS TO GET DONE AS WE'RE GROWING OUR DATABASE.
AND ONCE WE HIT THAT 3000 REGISTER VOLUNTEERS, AND, AND JUST TO GIVE YOU A POINT OF REFERENCE, IF I ASK FOR 30 PEOPLE TO SIGN UP, 10 PEOPLE ARE REGISTERING AND 50 PEOPLE ARE SHOWING UP.
SO WE'RE IN THIS DATA CAPTURING RACE TO CAPTURE THE INTEREST OF THE PEOPLE FROM DIFFERENT AGE GROUPS INTO OUR PROGRAM.
AND WE'VE ONLY HAD THAT PLATFORM SINCE JUNE, UH, READY TO GO TESTED.
SO WE'VE ONLY HAD SINCE JUNE TO NOW TO CAPTURE, UH, THE, THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE, THAT ARE, THAT ARE COMING BACK OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
ONCE WE HIT THE FIRST, UH, 3000 MILESTONE, WE WILL BE ABLE TO DO MORE IN THE STAFFING ARENA.
WE'LL BE ABLE TO MOBILIZE AN ARMY.
AND IT'S JUST GONNA SNOWBALL FROM THERE.
WE'RE NOT THERE YET, JUST YEAR ONE, WE'VE ONLY HAD REALLY SIX MONTHS OF GOING OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY.
SO I THINK WE CAN MAKE IT THROUGH THE NEXT TWO, THREE YEARS, WHICH IS GREAT CONSIDERING WHAT'S BIG PICTURE IN THE CITY GOING ON, THEN MAYBE WE'LL COME BACK AND BE READY AND SAY, HEY, HOW ARE WE GONNA FUND THE, THE SIGNS AND THE SUPPLIES? BUT WE'RE ALREADY REACHING OUT TO THOSE COMMUNITIES.
I ALREADY HAVE THE MATERIALS TO HELP THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND ALL THAT.
OKAY, SO YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE THE BANDWIDTH TO DO THIS NOW, UM, WHICH IS FINE.
UM, AS LONG AS IT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, I, I WOULD LIKE FOR THIS TO BE AN, AN AN OBJECTIVE AND POSSIBLY HAVE, YOU KNOW, PRESENT THIS TO COUNCIL AS SOMETHING WE COULD DO AND WHAT OUR PROJECTED TIMELINE IS IN ORDER TO TO, TO DO IT.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, ALONG THE LINES OF, YOU KNOW, HAVING THE, THE BANDWIDTH TO DO IT OR NOT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW, HAVE WE LOOKED INTO OUR VOLUNTEER POOL TO HAVE VOLUNTEERS ON, ON YOUR SIDE AS WELL TO, TO HELP THE PROGRAM, HELP PROGRAMS GROW WITHOUT FUNDING FROM THE CITY? UH, YES.
SO A LOT OF WHAT WE'RE DOING, HAVING OUR, SO IN OUR OFFICE, THE DYNAMICS IS THIS, FOR 10 YEARS FOR THE, WHEN I WAS WORKING WITH THE CITY OF ALLEN, I, I WAS ESSENTIALLY AN EVENT COORDINATOR AND VOLUNTEER COORDINATOR, AND I DID EVERYTHING THAT I'VE TRAINED KAITLYN TO DO.
SO KAITLYN IN OUR OFFICE HAS ALLOWED US FOR ME TO BIG PICTURE AND, AND, AND MAKE CONNECTIONS AND PROGRAMS AND
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BASICALLY PROGRAM, PROGRAM MANAGE AND PROGRAM CREATE.UM, IF YOU LOOK AT EVERYTHING SHE'S DOING ON, ON THE DAY TO DAY, A WARM BODY, THOSE WARM BODIES ARE OUT THERE WORKING RIGHT NOW IN THE FIELD, A WARM BODY TO, WE'RE ALREADY HAVING THE WARM BODIES AT THE EVENTS MOVE THINGS AND DO WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE CAPABLE OF DOING.
YOU KNOW, I WOULD BASICALLY NEED Y'ALL TO COME TO THE OFFICE.
AND THAT'S HARD TO, TO ASK FOR, TO GET PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, UH, I'M HOPING THE RETIREES IN THE FUTURE, ONCE WE START ADDING THOSE OPPORTUNITIES, WE'LL BE ABLE TO RECRUIT THAT.
BUT WE ARE YOUNG, THE, UH, POPULATION OR HIGH SCHOOL KIDS RIGHT NOW, AND I'M STILL TRYING TO WORK ON MY DAD JOKES TO GET THEM TO COME AND JOIN.
SO I'M HOPING, YES, AND EVENTUALLY, BUT RIGHT NOW WE'LL BE ABLE TO OPERATE IN AT LEAST A COUPLE YEARS TO BE ABLE TO GROW TO WHERE WE NEED TO AND STILL DO THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING NOW.
AND THERE IS SUPPORT COMING FROM PARK OPERATIONS, FROM RECREATION.
YOU KNOW, WHEN JOSUE JOINED THIS DEPARTMENT, I WAS LIKE, YOU'RE NOT OUT HERE ON AN ISLAND BY YOURSELF.
IF YOU DO NEED EXTRA STAFF FOR CERTAIN THINGS, EVENTS OR WHATEVER, YOU CAN PULL FROM THESE OTHER DIVISIONS AND WE'RE THERE TO SUPPORT AND HELP AND, AND, AND THAT'S THE WAY WE'RE LOOKING AT IT.
AND THEN, AND THINK, JUST TALKED ABOUT THAT DATABASE, 1400, BUT 75% ARE TEENS.
WE'RE JUST NOT THERE YET TO BE ABLE TO FIND THE VOLUNTEERS TO SUPPORT HIM YET.
SO I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S OUR GOAL, THAT'S OUR VISION.
HE'S LAID IT OUT FOR ME TIME AND TIME AGAIN.
SO I'M JUST, I'M JUST CHIRPING WHAT THE EXPERT HAS ALREADY, YOU KNOW, EDUCATED ME ON.
AND KEEP IN MIND THAT WHILE KAITLYN IS IN THE OFFICE, UM, WITH HOSTWAY, SHE'S A TEMPORARY PART-TIME.
AND SO SHE BASICALLY IS A VOLUNTEER.
UM, SHE, SHE SPENDS 98% OF HER UN CLOCKED IN TIME WORKING ON VOLUNTEER OPPORTUNITIES AND CLEANUPS AND SKATE PARK, RESPECT, AND ALL OF THE OTHER A HUNDRED MILLION THINGS THAT THAT SWEET LITTLE ANGEL IS DOING.
SO, UM, SHE'S WON, SHE'S WON A COUPLE AWARDS NOW.
YEAH, WE, WE MANAGE HER HOURS.
LET ME MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE LEGALLY COMPLIANT.
WE FEDERALLY UH, WE MANAGE HER HOURS VERY, VERY CLOSELY.
AND UH, SHE, IT IS TRUE, SHE'LL WE'LL BE IN THE MIDDLE OF SOMETHING AND SHE HAS TO CLOCK OUT AND, AND LEAVE.
BUT HER OWN HOBBIES INDEPENDENT OF THE CITY OF GARLAND ARE HANDLING, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH THE HOMELESS AND KEEPING YOUR SKATE PARK.
UH, SHE RUNS THE, THE NON-PROFIT SKATE PARK.
SHE DOES IT ALL BY HERSELF INDEPENDENTLY.
SHE'S, SHE'S A LOCAL GARLAND GIRL RAISED AND, AND VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS TOWN.
SO WE IN OUR OFFICE HAVE TO DRAW THE LINE AND SAYS, THIS PART IS WORK RELATED.
I NEED YOU TO WORK ON THE VOLUNTEER MANUAL AND THE REST OF THIS STUFF IS YOU MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE DOCUMENTING.
BUT SHE DOES IT BECAUSE SHE'S PASSIONATE ABOUT IT.
AND, UM, I THINK THAT THAT'S A VERY VALUABLE ASSET TO US IS THAT WE HAVE, WE HAVE HOSTLY AND KAITLYN AND IT, KAITLYN WILL BE UP AT 11 O'CLOCK AND LIKE, OKAY, WELL WHAT OPPORTUNITIES DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD DO? LIKE, AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S JUST WHO SHE IS.
AND SO, BUT WE ALSO DON'T WANNA BURN HER OUT OR HOSTLY OUT OR ANYBODY ELSE.
UM, AND LIKE DE SAID, THERE'S THE SUPPORT THAT WE HAVE FROM THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS IS PHENOMENAL.
WE'VE GOT LANDFILL SANITATION ARE ARE BOTH VERY, YEAH, IT'S DETRIMENTAL TO THE PROGRAM.
UH, I'LL TELL YOU, WE, OUR, OUR BIG NEXT BIG PROJECT THAT'S HAPPENING IN, IN, UM, IN JANUARY, I THINK IT'S JANUARY 31ST, IS ACTUALLY A CODE CARES PROGRAM.
AND UNDER ANY OTHER CITY, ANY OTHER PROGRAM, KINGDOMS GET INVOLVED.
UH, TERRITORIES ARE, ARE HARD TO GET ONE GROUP TO WORK WITH ANOTHER EVEN WITHIN THE CITY.
AND ON THAT ONE, A RECENT REQUEST THAT I SENT OUT, I SAID, HEY, I NEED, I NEED TWO, THREE FROM PARKS AND TWO FROM REC AND TWO FROM CODE AND THANK YOU SANITATION FOR COORDINATING THE TRASH PICKUP BECAUSE WE WE'RE GONNA, LOOKING FOR 75 TO A HUNDRED WE'RE TACKLING NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND THIS ONE IS SPECIFICALLY A NON-PAR, IT'S A NEIGHBORHOOD THING.
IT'S, IT'S REALLY THE FIRST TEST OF ALL THE WORK THAT THE, THE, THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS HAVE DONE IN THE BACKGROUND THIS NEXT, THIS LAST YEAR TO PUT TOGETHER AND REMOVE BARRIERS.
SO WE'RE COMING ALONG AND IT'S THE FIRST BIG ONE, UH, IS IN JANUARY, BIG ONE.
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UM, SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, UM, I THINK THAT OUR ASK WOULD BE HAVE YOU PRESENT THIS PROGRAM, UM, TO COUNCIL WITH THE EXPLANATION OF KIND OF WHY NOW IS NOT THE BEST TIME AND THEN MAYBE JUST THE TIMEFRAME OF WHEN YOU THINK IT MIGHT BE POSSIBLE TO HIT THE GROUND RUNNING.UM, BECAUSE THERE, THERE ARE THINGS THAT NEED TO HAPPEN BEFORE VOLUNTEER GARLAND CAN REALLY JUST BE WHAT IT CAN BE.
ONE OF THAT, UM, AS MENTIONED IS THE FACEBOOK PAGE.
THEY, THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO CONTROL WHEN THEIR OPPORTUNITIES ARE AND POST THAT, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, UM, FOR ANY OF OUR DEPARTMENTS THAT DON'T HAVE THEIR OWN UM, PAGE, THEY HAVE TO SEND IT TO A MANAGING DIRECTOR THEN, THEN SENDS IT TO PMR, THEY GET IT IN THE QUEUE FOR IT TO GET POSTED.
IT MIGHT GET POSTED IF NOTHING ELSE BIG HAPPENS OR SOMETHING BUMPS IT OUT.
UM, AND THINGS GET LOST THAT WAY.
AND SO FOR VOLUNTEER GARLAND TO REALLY BE ABLE TO DO THEIR THING THAT IS GONNA BE A VERY KEY PART IS THAT THEY HAVE CONTROL OVER THEIR OWN SOCIAL MEDIA, UM, AS WELL AS THEIR OWN WEBSITE.
AND THERE ARE A BUNCH OF BACKEND THINGS THAT, THAT REALLY NEED TO BE HAMMERED OUT BEFORE WE CAN REALLY START UTILIZING THEM THE WAY THAT WE WANT TO.
SO, UM, IF YOU CAN JUST DO THE PRESENTATION FOR COUNCIL AND LET'S, I I THINK WE ALL AGREE IT'S A FANTASTIC PROGRAM.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT ONE DAY, TODAY'S NOT THAT DAY.
UM, AND JUST GIVE US MAYBE IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS LET'S READDRESS IT AND SEE WHERE WE'RE AT AND THE FEASIBILITY OF IT.
SHOW A PLAN THAT WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO DO X, Y, AND Z.
AND ONCE WE'VE DONE THOSE THINGS, THEN WE CAN IMPLEMENT THAT.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA ADD.
MAYBE JOSE, IS IT POSSIBLE, WOULD IT BE TOO SOON TO SHOW SOMETHING MAYBE IN, IN THE FIVE YEAR VISION, THE FIVE YEAR PLAN, THIS IS IN CONTEXT OF IT SO THAT EVERYBODY'S GOT SOME KIND OF, 'CAUSE IT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH SUCCESSFUL PROGRAMS IS THEY THEY NEED RESOURCES.
AND IF IT'S SET UP ON, OKAY, WE NEED TO DO THIS, THIS, THIS, AND THIS BEFORE WE CAN DO THIS.
WELL THAT MAY ALL, WE MAY JUST HAVE A WONDERFUL TIME AND THAT HAPPENED IN SIX MONTHS OR THAT MAY HAPPEN IN SIX YEARS, BUT IT'S JUST AS WE CHECK, EVEN IF SOME ITEMS ARE, WOULDN'T BE REQUIRED TO BE BUDGETED ITEMS, MAYBE THAT'S MORE AN INCENTIVE FOR COUNCIL TO, YOU KNOW, GIVE A LITTLE MORE
OR MAYBE GIVE COUNSEL A LITTLE INCENTIVE TO ACTUALLY BE INVOLVED WITH VOLUNTEER GARLAND SO THAT WE CAN MAKE THIS PROGRAM HAPPEN.
I'M PRETTY MUCH INVOLVED BY SITTING HERE.
I'LL PAINT A WALL, BUT I'M, I JUST CAN'T GO PICK UP TRASH RIGHT NOW, BUT YEAH, SO
YEAH, AND I THINK CURRENTLY I, I'M, I REALLY WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR THEIR ENTHUSIASM FOR IT.
UH, THANK YOU FOR UNDERSTANDING OUR TIMELINES.
WE CAN CERTAINLY PUT SOME OF THAT TOGETHER.
HAD THIS NOT BEEN A SUPPORTED THING, WE COULD, MY ANSWER IS, HEY, WE CAN OPERATE PRETTY GOOD OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS, EVEN DESPITE A BUDGET AND THEN REEMERGE.
BUT IF, IF, UH, IT IS THE, THE RESOURCES PART OF IT AND FIGURING OUT THE DETAILS THAT COULD, UH, UH, THAT WOULD BE THE BARRIER.
YOU KNOW, WE'LL WORK WITH CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE ON WHEN TO PUT IT ON FOR COUNCIL SOMETIME IN THE NEW YEAR.
THANK YOU GUYS AND THANK YOU TO OUR LANDFILL AND OUR SANITATION DEPARTMENT FOR BEING SUCH A KEY PART IN MAKING THEIR OPERATION WORK.
UM, 'CAUSE WE DEFINITELY COULD NOT DO IT WITHOUT EVERYONE BEING ALL HANDS ON DECK AND SANITATION PULLED OUT.
I MEAN, Y'ALL CAME, WHAT, THE NEXT MONDAY AFTER WE DID OUR CREEK CLEANUP AND WE PICKED UP 3,200 POUNDS OF STUFF OUT OF THE CREEK AND SO YEAH.
IMMIGRANT'S ON VACATION YESTERDAY.
COULD I, COULD I ASK A QUESTION? MM-HMM
I, UH, I'M JUST CURIOUS, UH, WHAT ASSURANCES DO WE HAVE THAT ONCE ALL THE DEBRIS IN THE COLLECTION IS TRANSPORTED TO THE LANDFILL, THAT IT IS, THE WIND IS NOT BLOWING IT BACK INTO THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE OUR LANDFILL DOES AN AMAZING JOB DOING THEIR JOB.
I JUST WANTED TO, I JUST WANTED TO WAIT THIS UP.
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GOOD QUESTION, BUT HE COULD GIVE YOU A 20 MINUTE ANSWER.UM, SO WE ARE AT THE END OF OUR MEETING AND AT 1127, WE ARE URGENT.