Jan 20, 2026 Work Session

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THE JANUARY 20TH, 2026 WORK SESSION OF THE GARDEN CITY COUNCIL. WELCOME, EVERYONE. A LITTLE EARLIER STARTING TIME TODAY, AND WE'LL MOVE INTO OUR REGULAR SESSION AT 7:00. WE'LL

[ PUBLIC COMMENTS ON WORK SESSION ITEMS]

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YEAH. I WON'T SHY AWAY FROM THE SPOTLIGHT. THERE YOU GO. ROSA FUENTES. 86 DALY ROAD, APARTMENT TWO, 45 B, GARLAND, TEXAS. TRAVIS. YES. SU COMENTARIO. QUISIERA DECIR SOBRE EL PROGRAMA ACERCA DEL PROGRAMA, PUES APENAS MONTERREY, PERO PARA Q ES UNA BUENA OPCION ES UN BENEFICIO PARA LA COMUNIDAD. PORQUE MUCHOS PAISES UN DIA DE TRABAJO Y ME PARECE MUY BIEN ESTA PROPUESTA, SHE SAYS. AS FAR AS THE TELEHEALTH PROGRAM, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT SHE RECENTLY FOUND OUT ABOUT. SHE HASN'T USED IT YET, BUT THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT SHE FEELS IS TREMENDOUSLY VALUE FOR INDIVIDUALS WHO CAN'T MISS A DAY OF WORK, DON'T HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE, OR THAT JUST DON'T HAVE THE MEANS TO TO ACCESS PROPER HEALTHCARE. NO. AND THAT'S THAT'S IT. SHE WAS JUST HERE TO SUPPORT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE A COUPLE MORE. SHE'D COME BACK. PLEASE QUESTION THE UNA PREGUNTA. COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS, COULD YOU TELL US, ARE YOU FOR OR AGAINST THE HEALTH AS YOU AS YOU KNOW, THE PROGRAM? ARE YOU FOR IT OR ARE YOU AGAINST IT? EL PROGRAMA IS. ENCONTRADA DEL PROGRAMA A FAVOR IN FAVOR? OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MAYOR. SORRY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER DUTTON. SORRY, I'M JUST CURIOUS. HOW DID SHE FIND OUT ABOUT THE PROGRAM? EL PROGRAMA ACERCA DE UN AMIGO. A FAMILY MEMBER, A FRIEND TOLD HER ABOUT HER. THE WORD OF MOUTH. WORD OF MOUTH.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. MADAM SECRETARY, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL OUR NEXT SPEAKER, JULIE AZUCENA NAVARRO? THAT'S A TONGUE TWISTER, ISN'T IT? JULIE? ARE YOU OKAY? SHE'S COMING. DICIENDO SU NOMBRE Y SU DIRECCION. BUENAS TARDES. JULIE.

GARLAND, TEXAS, 76 ZERO. COMENTARIOS. QUISIERA OKAY. SI PUEDES. PARA AGREGAR ME.

COMENTARIOS SOBRE EL BENEFICIO DEL PROGRAMA. VERDAD OFRECIENDO PARA LA CIUDAD DE DE GALA. PARA MIS DE. DE SUMA. IMPORTANCIA EN EL SENTIDO DE. Q A VECES, AUNQUE NUESTROS HIJOS VERDAD

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ENTONCES PARA MIS. MUCHO BENEFICIO SENTIDO Y TAMBIÉN A VECES NO TODOS NUESTROS HIJOS CUENTAN CON UN SEGURO MÉDICO Y NOSOTROS. TAMPOCO VERDAD. ENTONCES ES DE MUCHOS BENEFICIOS PARA LA COMUNIDAD PARA LA CIUDAD DE GARLAND PARA NOSOTROS. A VECES TAMBIÉN EN EL SENTIDO DEL TRABAJO. CUESTA VECES UNO EMERGENCIAS PASA AHORA ESPERANDO A SUCEDIDO CUANDO ME INFORMADO. ENTONCES ESTE POR EL TRABAJO ETCÉTERA POR VARIOS MOTIVOS. ENTONCES SE ME HACE MUCHA AYUDA DE MUCHOS BENEFICIOS PARA TODOS LOS RESIDENTES DE GALA. MUCHAS GRACIAS. BUENAS TARDES PARA TODOS PREGUNTAS. SO SHE JUST WANTED TO REEMPHASIZE AND LAYERED ON TO WHAT WAS SAID PREVIOUSLY, WHICH IS THE UTMOST IMPORTANCE OF HAVING A SERVICE LIKE THIS. SHE MENTIONED HOW SHE'S HAS MULTIPLE KIDS AND HAS WAITED MULTIPLE LONG HOURS JUST TO BE SEEN. EVEN WITH A PD HAVING A PEDIATRICIAN, IT CAN TAKE WEEKS JUST TO BE SEEN OR SCHEDULE AN APPOINTMENT. SHE'S ALSO MENTIONED THAT SHE'S RESORTED AS A LAST MEASURE GOING TO THE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT. SOMETHING AS A LAST RESORT FOR FOR THINGS THAT CAN'T BE SEEN IN A PROMPTLY FASHION WITH HER PEDIATRICIAN. SHE SAYS THAT HER KIDS HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE, BUT THE LONG WAIT TIMES AND HAVING TO RESORT TO EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN FREQUENT. BUT HERSELF AND HER HUSBAND DON'T HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE, AND SO HAVING TO PROGRAM LIKE THIS ALLOWS ACCESS FOR HER ENTIRE FAMILY AND NOT JUST FOR KIDS. NO QUESTIONS.

MUCHAS GRACIAS. PREGUNTAS, GRACIAS. MADAM SECRETARY, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL OUR NEXT SPEAKER, JAVIER OLIVARES? HELLO. SORRY. HELLO. MY NAME IS JAVIER OLIVARES, AND I LIVE AT TOWN CENTER IN GARLAND, TEXAS, AND I HAVE BEEN A PART OF THE EMD PILOT PROGRAM FOR THE LAST HALF OF 2025 DUE TO MY WORK WITH NON NONPROFIT, PROGRESSIVE ORGANIZATIONS, I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO ACCESS MEDICAL CARE SUCH AS MY INHALER AND MY VITAMIN D, WHICH I HAVE A DEFICIENCY IN AT MY FINGERTIPS. AND IT'S REALLY EASY AND I CAN EASILY ORDER IT FROM THE PHARMACY THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO ME. AND. USUALLY THIS COSTS A LOT MORE MONEY THAN $6. USUALLY HAVE TO PAY LIKE 150 FOR MY INHALER. AND MY VITAMIN D USUALLY COSTS $30. I DON'T HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE AS MOST PEOPLE IN AMERICA DON'T. AND THIS PROGRAM, BECAUSE OF IT, LIKE I'M ABLE TO GET STUFF THAT I USUALLY LIKE. SOMETIMES I GO OUT WITH MY WITHOUT MY INHALER. BUT THIS PROGRAM HAS BEEN ABLE TO LET ME GET IT. I AM FOR THIS PROGRAM. I DO HAVE FAMILY WHO LIVE IN GARLAND. MY MOM'S BEEN TALKING ABOUT MOVING, AND I WANT TO TELL HER TO STAY BECAUSE THE POSSIBILITY OF Y'ALL IMPLEMENTING THIS PROGRAM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ONE SECOND, SIR, WE HAVE A QUESTION.

COUNCILMEMBER DUTTON, THANK YOU FOR COMING. CAN YOU TELL US HOW YOU HEARD ABOUT THE PILOT PROGRAM? SO I'M PART OF A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION, TOP TEXAS ORGANIZING PROJECT STONEWALL DEMOCRATS OF DALLAS, AND WE KNOW ABOUT THE PROGRAM. AND WE SOMEBODY CAME TO US FROM THE MD PROGRAM AND TOLD US ABOUT IT AND TOLD US TO REGISTER. SO WE DID. AND THEN LIKE, ONE DAY I WAS LIKE, HEY, SO WHAT'S THIS ALL ABOUT? AND THEY WERE LIKE, OH YEAH, YOU CAN GET THIS AND THIS. AND I WAS LIKE, ARE YOU SERIOUS? AND I WAS LIKE, NOW, YEAH, NOW I CAN ACTUALLY GET MY INHALER. AND HOW MUCH DOES YOUR INHALER COST? 150 WELL, NOW IT COSTS $6.

FANTASTIC. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DON'T GO ANYWHERE, SIR. WE HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE SLOW TO PUNCH IN. COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS, CAN YOU TELL US WHERE YOU LIVE? YOU LIVE IN. YOU RESIDENT OF GARLAND, CAN YOU TELL? YES, SIR. AND THEN MY MOTHER. I LIVE AT 903 TOWN CENTER, GARLAND, TEXAS. MY MOM LIVES AT 1650 NORTH JUPITER ROAD, AND I HAVE A BABY BROTHER THAT LIVES. I DON'T, I KNOW WHERE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, WALMART AND THE LUTHERAN CHURCH RIGHT ACROSS FROM HIS NEIGHBORHOOD. AND MY MOTHER IS TALKING ABOUT MOVING, AND I WANT TO TELL HER TO STAY BECAUSE Y'ALL MIGHT IMPLEMENT THIS PROGRAM. AND THE WAS BECAUSE OF YOUR YOUR YOUR YOU FAVOR THIS PROGRAM BECAUSE OF COMPLETE THAT SENTENCE. SAY IT

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SO I HAD TO LEARN HOW TO DO THAT. SO SOMETIMES, LIKE IF I HAD TO, LIKE I HAVE A NIECE AND SHE LIKES TO RUN. OBVIOUSLY I WASN'T ABLE TO DO THAT BECAUSE IF I DID, I WOULD LOSE MY BREATH AND I HAD TO GO TO THE HOSPITAL, WHICH I'VE DONE BEFORE, AND NOW I DON'T REALLY HAVE TO DO THAT. NOW I CAN RUN WITH HER SO THAT THIS PROGRAM HAS REALLY HELPED. SO I REALLY, REALLY HOPE Y'ALL IMPLEMENT IT BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE BE ABLE TO. BENEFIT FROM THIS BECAUSE OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. YES SIR. THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU THANK YOU SIR. NOW YOU MAY GO.

NO MORE QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL OUR NEXT SPEAKER. RODRIGUEZ. MY NAME IS RODRIGUEZ I. MY ADDRESS IS 1214 BLANCO LANE, GARLAND, TEXAS.

WELL, THANK YOU, COUNCIL, FOR HAVING US. AND I ALSO WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR PARTNERING UP WITH TAP TELEHEALTH TO SUPPORT OUR GARLAND RESIDENTS. I THINK THIS IS A VERY EQUITY FORWARD STEP TO TO PROVIDE HEALTH CARE TO THE RESIDENTS OF GARLAND. I THINK ESPECIALLY DURING THIS TIMES, MANY, MANY PEOPLE FACE A LOT OF BARRIERS TO ACCESSING HEALTH CARE. I PERSONALLY USE THIS SERVICE AND I'VE FOUND IT VERY HELPFUL AND VERY CONVENIENT. I AM INSURED AND THIS SERVICE HAS ALLOWED ME TO. MAKE THE OPTION OF GOING TO A SPECIALIST WHERE I KNOW I'M GOING TO GET CHARGED $50 FOR A VISIT FOR SOMETHING THAT I ALREADY KNOW THAT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH ME SO I CAN. SO HONESTLY, THIS HAS JUST BEEN A VERY CONVENIENT SERVICE FOR ME.

IT HAS LIKE, I CAN NEVER KNOW WHEN I'M GOING TO GET SICK. SO A CO-PAY CAN BE VERY DETRIMENTAL TO MY BUDGETING. GROCERIES NEVER GOT CHEAPER. SO I THINK THIS IS A GREAT TOOL SERVICE FOR ANYBODY IN THE CITY OF GARLAND TO USE. AND I THINK THIS IS SLOWLY BECOMING ONE OF MY FIRST. HOW DO I PUT MY FIRST OPTIONS FOR HEALTHCARE? I THINK THIS IS FOR $6 PER MONTH. THIS IS A GOOD WAY TO LIKE, AVOID HAVING THOSE CRAZY EXPENSIVE COPAYS THAT I ALREADY KNOW I'M GOING TO HAVE TO FACE AND I MIGHT NOT GET MY MY ANSWER. SO EVEN JUST TEXTING IN FOR LIKE A QUICK MEDICAL QUESTION WHERE THEY CAN PROVIDE ME ACCESS OF HOW TO NAVIGATE SOMETHING HAS BEEN GREAT. SO ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND QUESTION FOR YOU. YES, DUTTON, SAME QUESTION FOR YOU. WHERE DID YOU HEAR? I HEARD IT FROM MY MOM. SHE LIVES IN MESQUITE, BUT SHE HEARD IT FROM THEIR FOOD PANTRY SOMEHOW GOT TO ME. SO MY MOM. YEAH, YEAH. THANK YOU MA'AM. THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE. THANK YOU. YES. MADAM SECRETARY, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL OUR NEXT SPEAKER, SHIRLEY ROBERTS? OKAY. SHIRLEY ROBERTS, 2102, COUNTRY OAKS. I'M WINGING THIS PART OF IT.

I'M GOING TO GO HOME AND GET MY SPEECH AND COME BACK. BUT I'M GOING TO PARAPHRASE SOME OF IT, SENIORS KIND OF RELY ON THEIR FAMILY, FRIENDS AND THEIR NEIGHBORS TO ALERT THEM WHEN SOMETHING NEFARIOUS OR DECEITFUL IS COMING THEIR WAY. AND IT MIGHT COST THEM A LOT OF MONEY. I HAVE FOUND SOME OF THESE THINGS WITH PATHWAYS DECEITFUL. ONE I THINK IT WAS INTENTIONALLY DECEPTION TO NOT ALLOW THE BIDS TO GO OUT FOR OTHER COMPANIES TO BID ON THIS TOO. I THINK IT WAS DECEITFUL. IT WAS DECEITFUL, INTENTIONALLY DECEITFUL FOR YOU TO ALLOW NO

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OKAY. STARTS MUCH BETTER, MUCH BETTER. WE'LL START AT ABOUT AN HOUR AND 38 MINUTES. SO, MA'AM.

PEANUT GALLERY. I'M SORRY. AND I ASKED. PLEASE, I ASK THAT THERE'S NO APPLAUSE OR I HAVE TO CLEAR THE HALL. IF WE HAVE APPLAUSE OR OUTBURST. PLEASE JUST BE CONSIDERATE OF DECORUM IN THE CHAMBERS HERE, OKAY? COUNCIL MEMBER LUCK OR EXCUSE ME, MAYOR PRO TEM LUCK OF THE CITIES. YOU MENTIONED HOW MANY OF THEM RAN AN OPT IN PROGRAM? NONE. NONE. EVERYTHING'S OPT OUT, CORRECT? YES, BUT WHAT THEY TOLD US, WE. WE HAVE TO OPT OUT. WE CAN'T DECIDE WHO WHO WANTS IT. IF IF THEY WERE HONEST AND OPEN, THEY COULD GO OUT AND GET 10,000 PEOPLE. BUT THEY CAN'T EVEN GET 10,000 PEOPLE TO SIGN UP FOR FREE TRIAL. IF YOU CAN'T GET 10,000, AND IF YOU GAVE IT TO GARLAND AND SAID YOU CAN OPT IN IF YOU WANT THIS SERVICE, GET IT? I'M FINE WITH THAT OPT IN, MA'AM. MY QUESTION WAS, HOW MANY OF THOSE CITIES WERE OPT IN CITIES? NONE. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. OKAY. COUNCILMEMBER DUTTON, DO YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT $6 PAYS FOR? DOES I? I KIND OF ASSUME THE SAME THING IT DOES NOW. THEIR ADVERTISING IS THE SAME. NO. ON A BUSINESS END, DO YOU KNOW WHAT MD PATHWAYS PAYS FOR WITH THAT $6 THEY PAY FOR STAFF, WHICH IS NOT ALL DOCTORS. I KNOW TRIAGE AND TRIAGE. YOU START WITH A NURSE AND IN THEIR CASE THEY'RE STARTING WITH A PA. SO THEY HAVE PA'S, THEY HAVE DOCTORS, THEY HAVE AI, THEY, YOU KNOW, AND THEY COULD DO THIS AT HOME. A LOT OF GOVERNMENTS AND OTHER THINGS THAT I CALLED, THEY'RE WORKING FROM HOME. SO WORKING FROM HOME IS THE ISSUE IS THAT, NO, IT'S NOT AN ISSUE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WHAT NO. THERE IS THE ISSUE IS THEY ARE DECEIVING YOU BY TELLING YOU IF WE DON'T HAVE OPT OUT WHERE WE GET EVERYBODY IN AND US SENIORS DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT, WE NEVER ASKED FOR IT. WE'VE NEVER GIVEN OUR CONSENT FOR IT. IT'S DECEIVING BECAUSE IT DOESN'T TAKE THEY THEY SAY $60 A HOUSEHOLD. IF YOU DON'T OPT OUT

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IT IS YOUR OPINION. YOU DON'T KNOW THEIR BUSINESS. MY OPINION. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY PAY FOR WITH THAT $6. SO I THINK IT WOULD BE SAFE TO SAY THAT YOU DON'T KNOW WHY IT WOULD COST $60 VERSUS $6, CORRECT? ABSOLUTELY. THERE YOU GO. AND HAVE YOU, HAVE YOU USED THE SERVICE? I DON'T NEED IT. I HAVE MEDICARE, AS DO ALMOST ALL SENIORS. WE HAVE MEDICARE, OKAY.

OUR MEDICINES ARE CHEAPER THAN DISCOUNT. WELL I LOVE THAT FOR YOU. MOST OF OUR CITY IS NOT OVER THE AGE OF 65. TO BE ABLE TO GET MEDICARE, TO HAVE THAT, THAT LUXURY. SO I DO LOVE THAT FOR YOU. THAT IS GREAT. OKAY. SO LAST TIME YOU WERE IN FRONT OF COUNCIL, YOU SAID THAT THE SENIORS ARE THE ONES THAT PAY ATTENTION, SO THEY EXCUSE ME, THE LAST TIME THAT YOU WERE HERE AT OUR LAST. PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT? TO WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE CITY? NO, I DID NOT. IF I DID, THAT WAS MISSPOKEN. I'LL HAVE TO GO BACK AND REVIEW THAT. THAT WAS MISSPOKEN. THEY DO NOT.

MOST OF THE PEOPLE HAVE FAMILIES. THEY HAVE LIVES. THEY WORK 1 OR 2 JOBS. THEY DON'T HAVE TIME TO BE FOLLOWING THE COUNCIL, MISS ROBERTS. SO HERE'S THE THING. I WORK TWO JOBS ON TOP OF DOING COUNCIL, ON TOP OF VOLUNTEERING, ON TOP OF HAVING A FAMILY AT MY HOUSE.

YOU KNOW WHAT YOU WANT TO KNOW. OKAY, SO AS YOU HEARD FROM THE WHAT LAST FOUR PEOPLE THAT CAME UP HERE, HOW DID THEY ALL HEAR ABOUT THE MDS PATHWAY PROGRAM? WORD OF MOUTH, RIGHT? YES. SO HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE YOU TELLING NOT GIVING YOUR OPINION, BUT INFORMING PEOPLE OF THE PROGRAM? WHAT IS WRONG WITH TELLING PEOPLE OF THE PROGRAM? BECAUSE WE ALL SEE WHAT YOU GUYS DO AND YOU ALL ARE FREAKING BULLIES. YOU ARE. DON'T GASP LIKE YOU DON'T KNOW. WE HAVE BEEN THREATENED WITH RECALLS OR. CAN WE REMAIN? LET'S KEEP THE CONVERSATION REGARDING THE AGENDA ITEM. IT IS ON THE AGENDA ITEM. THAT'S FINE. IF WE CAN'T HANDLE. WE CAN'T HANDLE DOING OUR BUSINESS. THAT'S FINE, THAT'S FINE. THANK YOU, MISS ROBERTS. ANYBODY ELSE? COUNCIL MEMBER BASS. THANK YOU. MAYOR. YEAH. APPRECIATE YOU COMING TO SPEAK HERE WHERE WE ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION AS WELL. WHEN YOU COME TO SPEAK ONLY UNDER PUBLIC COMMENTS, THEN WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO ADDRESS THAT. I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS SOMETHING YOU SAID. YOU SAID THAT QUOTE.

WE WERE TOLD TO KEEP QUIET. I'D LIKE TO KNOW. THAT'S FALSE, JUST LIKE MANY OTHER THINGS YOU SAID. BUT I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT SPECIFICALLY. CITY COUNCIL WAS NOT TOLD TO KEEP QUIET.

THAT IS NOT TRUE. IT'S A LIE. IT'S DECEITFUL. IT'S WHATEVER LABEL YOU WANT TO PUT ON IT.

AND TO ADD TO WHAT CARISSA SAID ABOUT COMMUNICATING WITH PEOPLE, YOU GO ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT BEING DECEITFUL. WHAT YOU PUT ON SOCIAL MEDIA IS DECEITFUL. YOUR COMMUNICATION TO PEOPLE ABOUT THIS PROGRAM IS DECEITFUL. AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS IT IS NOT TRUTHFUL, IT IS BIASED, AND IT IS NOT INFORM ANYONE ABOUT THE PROGRAM AT ALL. ALL YOU DO IS TELL PEOPLE IT'S A SCAM AND THEY SHOULD OPT OUT OF IT. YOU DON'T GIVE THEM ANY OPPORTUNITY, ANY INFORMATION, AND IF SOMEBODY DOES SAY SOMETHING POSITIVE ABOUT IT, YOU BULLY THEM. AND I DON'T APPRECIATE THAT. AND AGAIN, WHEN YOU SAID THAT WE WERE TOLD TO KEEP QUIET.

THAT IS AN ABSOLUTE LIE. THANK YOU. I LET ME REPHRASE THAT, SIR. IT WAS SUGGESTED IN AN EMAIL THAT I SAW OF A COUNCIL MEMBER THAT THEY WERE ASKED BY THE CITY STAFF NOT TO TALK ABOUT IT. THIS IS BEFORE. I'M SORRY. NOT TRUE. THEN I WILL HAVE TO READ IT, BUT I WHAT I READ, I TOOK IT THAT WAY. THAT'S THE WAY I TOOK IT. GOOD. AND SIR, I DO NOT REMEMBER BULLYING ANYBODY, SIR, I IF THEY HAVE FACTS THAT THEY DON'T KNOW ABOUT AND THEY SAY SOMETHING, I MAY SAY A FACT, BUT I DON'T BULLY THEM. I DON'T CALL PEOPLE NAMES. I DON'T DO

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AND THAT PEOPLE LIKE ME ARE SENIORS THAT DON'T NOTICE. WE END UP PAYING FOR THINGS, AND IF WE SEE IT ON THE BILL, IF WE SEE $6 ON THE BILL, WE ASSUME IT'S FOR UTILITIES AND WE PAY THE BILL BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE DO. WE DON'T QUESTION A LOT. WE JUST TAKE IT FOR GRANTED AND WE PAY IT. THAT'S NOT RIGHT. YOU NEED TO CONSULT PEOPLE AND NOT CONSULT, INFORM AND GET THEIR PERMISSION. OPT IN IS FINE WITH ME, BUT THAT WAS THE MAIN REASON I TOOK OFFENSE AT THAT AND THAT NOT ONLY SENIORS ARE GOING TO BE HURT, OTHER PEOPLE LIKE SINGLE WOMEN, SINGLE MOTHERS, I MEAN, AND POOR, YOU KNOW, EVEN THERE IS. HE WAS ASKED AT A MEETING. I'M SORRY.

DOCTOR PARROTT WAS ASKED AT A MEETING. IS THERE ANY PROGRAM TO NOTIFY THESE PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO HELP? AND HE WAS. CRICKETS. NO PROGRAM. ALL THAT I EVEN KNOW OF THAT WOULD ADDRESS THE PEOPLE YOU'RE TRYING TO HELP. IT MAY COME WORD OF MOUTH, BUT THAT'S HOW OURS IS HANDLED TO WORD OF MOUTH. BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T TELL ANYBODY. SO EVERYTHING IS WORD OF MOUTH. AND HOW CAN IF YOU NEVER TOLD US THE CORRECT THING TO BEGIN WITH, TO START OUT WITH, THEN WE'RE JUST READING THE CONTRACT AND GOING BY THAT. SO I'M SORRY, BUT THAT IS MY MAIN CONCERN. THAT WAS MY REASON FOR SAYING ANYTHING. YOU DO, YOU DO RECOGNIZE, YOU DO UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN YOU HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO COME BEFORE THE COUNCIL TO SPEAK, OUR RESPONSIBILITY IS TO HEAR YOU, TO LISTEN TO YOU. NOW, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE AGREE. IT DOESN'T EVEN MEAN THAT WE FEEL THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS TRUE. WHAT IT IS, IS THE RESPECT. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M JUST ASKING. I THINK THAT WE ALL TONIGHT, WE NEED TO BE RESPECTFUL. THERE ARE GOING TO BE PEOPLE WHO COME BEFORE US AND THEY'VE HEARD SOMETHING ONLINE. THEY BUT AS YOU'VE STATED, IT'S THEIR OPINION. JUST LIKE US, MUCH OF WHAT WE SAY IS OUR OPINION. AND I THINK THAT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE HEAR ONE ANOTHER TONIGHT. SO, MA'AM, I JUST WANTED TO SAY TO YOU THAT WE HEAR YOU. WE HEAR YOU NOT NECESSARILY THAT WE AGREE OR THAT WE THINK THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS TRUTH, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, WE HEAR YOU AND WE WANT TO UNDERSTAND SUCTHAT WE CAN RESOLVE SOME OF THE ISSUES BEFORE US. I APPRECIATE THAT.

THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR COMING. I KNOW IT'S HARD BECAUSE THE WAY WE LOOK AT THINGS, IF YOU HADN'T TOLD US BEFORE AND WE'RE COMING UP WITH THOUGHTS OF OUR OWN, WE ARE CONSIDERING YOU AS LYING TO US. AND YOU CONSIDER WHAT WE SAY ON THE MEDIA IS LYING TO YOU. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET IN THERE. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO. HAD YOU COME BEFORE US AHEAD OF TIME, HAD YOU GIVEN US THE CHANCE TO SPEAK, THINGS MIGHT HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT, AND THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD WAY TO DO THINGS IN THE FUTURE. YOU DON'T JUST GO SIGN CONTRACTS AND THEN NOTIFY THE PEOPLE. I UNDERSTAND CONTRACTS HAVE TO BE SIGNED, NOT NOTIFYING US. I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IN THIS CASE, IN A SITUATION THAT INVOLVES EVERY PERSON IN THIS CITY, ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, YOU NEED TO BE MORE FORTHRIGHT AND FORTHCOMING. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU SIR. COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS, GO TO YOU FIRST, SIR. YES. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU. MAYOR, ARE YOU AWARE OF THE COMMITTEE BEFORE THE COUNCIL TOOK TOOK ANY VOTE ON THIS PROGRAM? THERE WERE PRESENTATIONS MADE TO THE COUNCIL COMMITTEE. THERE WERE IN FACT, THERE WERE THREE. THE

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IF NOT, THEN THOSE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO PARTICIPATE WILL PARTICIPATE. AND THOSE WHO WANT TO OPT OUT WILL OPT OUT. OKAY? OKAY. THAT'S OUR CHARGE, I THINK. THANK YOU FOR COMING DOWN TONIGHT AND SPEAKING TO THIS COUNCIL. THANK YOU. MAYOR, LET ME JUST SAY. I USED TO BE INVOLVED IN CITY POLITICS ON THE OUTSIDE, AND THIS HAS WOKEN ME UP. I WILL NOT MISS ANOTHER WORK SESSION. I WILL NOT MISS. I WATCH IT AT HOME. I'M NOT COMING DOWN HERE. BUT UNLESS I NEED TO SAY SOMETHING. BUT I WILL NOT MISS ANOTHER WORK SESSION. ANOTHER COUNCIL MEETING. THAT'S RIGHT ON MY AGENDA TO WATCH EVERY TWO WEEK OR EVERY TWICE A MONTH. SO THAT HAS OPENED MY EYES BECAUSE THIS HURTS PEOPLE, IT HURTS SENIORS, IT HURTS A LOT OF PEOPLE. AND I DON'T SEE THAT IT IS NECESSARY. WELL, THAT'S YOUR OPINION. I'M SORRY. IT IS NECESSARY, PROBABLY FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO SPOKE. AND THAT'S FINE. I'M NOT SAYING ABANDON IT. I'M SAYING JUST CUT THIS ONE OFF. GO OUT FOR BID, SEE WHAT'S OUT THERE, AND THEN COME BACK AND TELL PEOPLE ABOUT IT AND WE'LL SHOW UP. BUTIVE PEOPLE AN OPTION. EITHER MAKE IT FREE FOR PEOPLE OR GIVE THEM A CHOICE TO CHOOSE AND DECIDE IF THEY WANT TO BE PART OF THAT OR NOT. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. WELL, MA'AM, ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU SAID, THEY HAVE THE CHOICE TO OPT IN OR OPT OUT. NOT IF THEY DON'T KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE A CHOICE. IF YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT SOMETHING,

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COME ON. I'M COMING. ALL RIGHT. AND ONE OF THE PRESENTERS WILL BE DOCTOR PERRY AND HIS TEAM.

YEP. AND WE'LL YOU WILL BE ABLE TO TO FRAME YOUR QUESTIONS AND LISTEN TO THE ANSWERS. OKAY.

GREAT. THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU SIR. I COMMEND YOU FOR WATCHING ALL THE WORK SESSION MEETINGS. I DID THAT BEFORE I WAS ELECTED TO CITY COUNCIL. AND CAREFUL. YOU MIGHT END UP IN THIS SEAT EVENTUALLY. YEAH. NO. NO, SIR. I'M RETIRED. YEAH. NO, SIR. BE CAREFUL. COUNCIL MEMBER DUTTON. SO I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THE EMAIL THAT IS IN QUESTION. THE EMAIL IS FROM OUR PREVIOUS CITY MANAGER TO. AND IT'S BETWEEN MYSELF AND MD PATHWAYS. AND IT WAS NOT THAT WE WERE NOT TO TALK ABOUT IT. IT WAS THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT BECAUSE WE WERE TRYING TO PLAN EVENTS TO SPREAD THE WORD. SO IT IS VERY EASY TO SAY THAT THAT I WAS TOLD TO BE QUIET AND I DID IT BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW THE FULL STORY. SO BUT FOR CLARIFICATION, THAT IS WHAT THE EMAIL WAS. SO THANK YOU. VERY GOOD. I MEAN, THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS AND DEBATE WE HAVE. SO, MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE NEXT SPEAKER, JAMIE BRITTON. ALL RIGHT. IF YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. MY NAME IS JAMIE BRITTON. I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT AND TAXPAYER IN GARLAND FOR OVER 45 YEARS. I STRONGLY OPPOSE THE TELEHEALTH CONTRACT WITH MD PATHWAYS. WITH THIS PROGRAM, THE CITY IS ENABLING A PRIVATE COMPANY TO PROFIT FROM ITS TELEHEALTH SERVICE BY USING THE FORCE OF GOVERNMENT WHEN IT WOULD OTHERWISE FAIL. IT IS NOT WITHIN THE CITY'S PURVIEW TO PROP UP A PRIVATE COMPANY IN CHARGE. A FEE ON OUR UTILITY BILLS THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH APPROPRIATE CITY SERVICES.

I ALSO OBJECT TO THIS BEING AN OPT OUT PROGRAM. DURING THE AUGUST 19TH, 2025 CITY COUNCIL MEETING. AT AROUND O ONE HOUR OE OF THE VIDEO, A REPRESENTATIVE FROM MD PATHWAYS EXPLAINED WHY THE PROGRAM MUST BE OPT OUT, AND ANOTHER SPEAKER REFERENCED THIS EARLIER IN HIS WORDS, IF WE DID THIS ON AN OPT IN BASIS, THAT $6 FEE WOULD BE A $60 FEE. IN OTHER WORDS, MD PATHWAYS IS COUNTING ON A LARGE CONTINGENT OF CITY CITIZENS, MOST OF WHICH WOULD PROBABLY BE ELDERLY OR POOR, TO NOT BE INFORMED ENOUGH TO OPT OUT OF THE PROGRAM. THIS, TO ME, MAKES THE PROGRAM IMMORAL AND UNETHICAL. MD PATHWAYS IS ADMITTING THAT IF INFORMED CONSENT WAS REQUIRED, THERE WOULD BE A GREAT DEAL FEWER HOUSEHOLDS PARTICIPATING. ANOTHER OBJECTION I HAVE WITH THE CONTRACT IS THAT IT SAYS THE CITY WILL PROVIDE MD PATHWAYS, A MONTHLY UPDATED LIST OF EITHER PARTICIPATING HOUSEHOLDS OR OPTED OUT HOUSEHOLDS. THE LIST MAY INCLUDE ADDRESSES, ACCOUNT NUMBERS OR OTHER UNIQUE IDENTIFIERS. IT NEED NOT INCLUDE RESIDENT NAMES, BUT THE CONTRACT DOESN'T PROHIBIT PROVIDING THOSE NAMES. I STRONGLY OPPOSE ANY INFORMATION BEING PROVIDED BY THE CITY TO MD PATHWAYS FOR ANY HOUSEHOLD WHO HAS OPTED OUT, THERE APPEAR TO BE SEVERAL WAYS THE CITY CAN TERMINATE THIS PROGRAM, EITHER BEFORE IT STARTS OR AFTER I SUPPORT TERMINATION OF THE PROGRAM. NOW, BEFORE A VOTE ON THE ADDITION OF THE FEE IS ADDED TO OUR UTILITY BILLS, AND BEFORE THE PROGRAM IS IMPLEMENTED, IT IS THE ETHICAL AND MORAL THING TO DO. THANK YOU MA'AM. IF YOU JUST PROVIDE YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. I'D RATHER NOT, BUT. 1318 OH, SHANNON, I DON'T SEE ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MADAM SECRETARY, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL OUR NEXT SPEAKER, SHEENA CHARAPATA. HELLO. SO I'M SHEENA CHARAPATA, AND I LIVE AT 6007 WILLOW WOOD LANE, DALLAS, TEXAS. 75252. AND TALKING ABOUT THE GARLAND NINTH STREET GYM PROJECT BUILDING TODAY. SO I'VE BEEN AT PLANET FORD 635 COMING UP ON 11 YEARS, AND I DO COMMUNITY RELATIONS, AND WE'RE INVOLVED WITH A LOT OF NON-PROFITS IN THE COMMUNITY, AND I EAT DOWNTOWN ALL THE TIME DRIVING DOWN MAIN STREET AND DIDN'T EVEN KNOW UNTIL THREE YEARS AGO THAT THE NONPROFIT

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ANYWAY, SORRY, THIS SOUNDS LIKE HOSTILE, BUT IT WAS ACTUALLY A PHENOMENAL EXPERIENCE THAT I HAD WITH THIS SYSTEM, AND I ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT IT. I HOPE IT GOES THROUGH, AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY ABOUT IT. I'M WITH IT. THANK YOU SIR. MADAM SECRETARY, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL OUR NEXT SPEAKER, CAROL KERBEL. GOOD EVENING. I'M CAROL KERBEL, 1513 MERRIMACK TRAIL. THANK YOU, MR. MOORE, FOR ALL YOU HAVE DONE. DISTRICT.

DISTRICT THREE HAS A WONDERFUL COUNCIL PERSON. HE NOT ONLY VOTED NO, BUT HE STOOD BY WHAT? THE REASONS HE VOTED THAT WAY. I APPRECIATE YOU. I'D LIKE TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. MY APPEARANCE SPEAKS FOR ITSELF. AS TO MY AGE, I'VE BEEN TOLD I'M EVEN OLDER

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ACCORDING TO WHAT I UNDERSTAND OUR COUNCIL PEOPLE HAVE DONE TO US. HE SAID, OH NO. WELL, I'LL JUST IGNORE IT. WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT A LOT OF SENIORS ARE IGNORING BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT. AND IF MY HUSBAND DOESN'T KNOW AUT IT, IT MEANS HE HASN'T BEEN TALKING WITH OTHER PEOPLE, BECAUSE THAT'S THE BIGGEST WAY TO FIND OUT. EVEN THOSE WHO ARE FOR IT HAVE FOUND OUT BECAUSE THEY'VE TALKED TO OTHERS OR OTHERS HAVE SPOKEN TO THEM. I WOULD LIKE TO TELL YOU THAT THERE ARE MANY, MANY SENIORS, AND WE'RE NOT DUMMIES. NOT ALL OF US. PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE GOING TO BE MANY, MANY SENIORS WHO ARE NOT GOING TO KNOW ABOUT THIS. CONSIDER AGAIN YOUR DECISION. YOU CAN ALWAYS DO IT AGAIN IF YOU THINK IT'S THAT WORTHWHILE. BUT FOR RIGHT NOW, SIGN OFF AND THEN COME BACK WITH A PLAN THAT WOULD REALLY WORK FOR US AND THAT YOUR PEOPLE THAT YOU REPRESENT WOULD BE WILLING TO FOLLOW. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. MA'AM, I HAVE A QUESTION. MAYOR PRO TEM LUCK, MA'AM, YOU MENTIONED A PAMPHLET.

WHERE DID YOU SEE THAT PAMPHLET? IT CAME IN MY UTILITY BILL INSIDE THE ENVELOPE. YES. SO YOU YOU REVIEW YOUR BILL, AND I DO YOU DO. SO WOULD YOU NOTICE A LINE ITEM ON YOUR BILL IF ONE POPPED ON THERE? YES. GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND ALSO THANK YOU. THE WAY IT WAS WORDED, I THINK YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND. WELL, I'LL LOOK AT IT FOR SURE. SIGN UP. NO NO, NO.

WHEN YOU'RE IN IT, WHETHER YOU SIGN UP OR NOT, I'LL REVIEW IT WHEN I GET MY BILL. PLEASE DO.

ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. OH, DO YOU HAVE INSURANCE? I DO MEDICARE. WONDERFUL. THANK YOU.

GOOD. I'M SO GLAD FOR YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO OTHER QUESTIONS, MA'AM. THANK YOU FOR COMING. THANK YOU, MADAM SECRETARY. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER VOTES OR. EXCUSE ME? VOTES? GOODNESS. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? YES, SIR. HAROLD HENSLEY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE, THE CITY COUNCIL. I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. AND I WILL TELL YOU THIS, THAT I HAVE CHANGED MY PHILOSOPHY A LITTLE BIT TONIGHT FROM WHAT I'D PLANNED TO TALK ABOUT, BUT IT STILL STEMS AROUND THE ONE WORD THAT WE ALL NEED TO DO AS LEADERS, AND THAT IS TO STOP AND LISTEN, BECAUSE YOUR OPINION IS NO BETTER THAN MY OPINION. AND WE ALL HAVE ONE. THE WORD TRANSPARENCY IS THE MOST IMPORTANT WORD IN ANY LEADERSHIP ABILITY, BECAUSE ONCE YOU HAVE A LEADERSHIP ABILITY, YOU GAIN A TITLE. YOUR TITLE MEANS NOTHING TO ANYONE ONE THAT CAN BE A LEADER TOLY MAKE THINGS HAPPEN FOR THE POSITIVE. YOU'RE ELECTED FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE CITY AND THE COMMUNITY OF THESE CITIZENS. NOT FOR YOURSELF. NOW SAY THAT IN JEST, BECAUSE THAT'S PRETTY MUCH A SYNOPSIS OF WHAT YOU'VE HEARD TONIGHT. AND THAT'S WHAT I PREACH WHEN I TEACH LEADERSHIP. BUT I'M NOT HERE TO TEACH YOU LEADERSHIP. I'M HERE TO TELL YOU MY OPINION. I'M NOT

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YOU JUST DIDN'T DRAFTED MY MONEY. IF I OPT OUT, I MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET OUT OF IT. I HAVE TRIED THREE TIMES, ONE BEING RIGHT BEFORE I CAME HEREE TO OPT OUT AND IT HAS NOT GONE THROUGH YET. SO THAT SPEAKS A LITTLE BIT FOR WHAT WE'RE DOING. BUT THE LEGALITY OF THE SITUATION, EVEN THE TEXAS MUNICIPAL LEAGUE SAYS THIS COULD BE AN ILLEGAL ISSUE BECAUSE IT'S DRAFTED OUT OF MY ACCOUNT WITH MY WITHOUT MY PERMISSION. THESE ARE THINGS THAT YOU'VE GOT TO CONSIDER.

SUM UP YOUR THREE MINUTES. SORRY. YOUR THREE MINUTES ARE UP. SIR, I'M GONNA HAVE TO ASK YOU TO SUM UP YOUR COMMENTS, PLEASE. I'M DONE. IS THAT RIGHT? YES, SIR. YOUR THREE MINUTES HAVE EXPIRED. IF YOU JUST SUM UP YOUR COMMENTS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. MAYOR PRO TEM LUCK, SIR.

THANK YOU FOR COMING. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK IF YOU KNOW ABOUT OUR REFUND POLICY FOR THE $6 A MONTH CHARGE. I'VE HEARD A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT ONLY BECAUSE I JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS, LIKE A MONTH AGO. WELL, SO I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I'VE BEEN PRESENTING THIS AT MY TOWN HALL SINCE I FOUND OUT ABOUT IT THROUGH WHEN IT WAS PRESENTED TO COUNCIL. SO I'VE I'VE MADE IT THAT INFORMATION AVAILABLE TO MY CONSTITUENTS IN DISTRICT FIVE FOR A VERY LONG TIME, INCLUDING NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MEETINGS, CRIME WATCH GROUP MEETINGS AND HOA MEETINGS. SO I'VE BEEN AS TRANSPARENT AS I POSSIBLY COULD WITH THE PEOPLE THAT I INTERACT WITH IN MY CONSTITUENCY. BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT MAY NOT BE THE CASE WHERE YOU LIVE. I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE. SO BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T SAY YOUR ADDRESS, BUT THAT'S OKAY. I WOULD ALSO THE FIRST THREE MONTHS OF THE PROGRAM, ONCE IT'S IMPLEMENTED, ONCE IT'S IMPLEMENTED, IT WILL BE MUCH EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO OPT OUT. WE'RE IN A PILOT PROGRAM RIGHT NOW, AND THAT IS AND ONCE IT'S IMPLEMENTED, THE PROGRAM WILL BE MUCH EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO OPT OUT. THEY CAN EMAIL, THEY CAN GO TO A WEBSITE, THEY CAN CALL CUSTOMER SERVICE, THEY CAN GO IN PERSON. THEY CAN DO. THERE WILL BE A PLETHORA OF WAYS FOR PEOPLE TO OPT OUT. IF THEY DO NOT NOTICE THAT THE THAT THE FEE IS ON THEIR BILL FOR THREE MONTHS, THEY CAN RECOUP THAT MONEY FOR THREE MONTHS. ANOTHER WAY TO OPT OUT WOULD BE TO NOT PAY THE $6 FEE FOR THE FIRST THREE MONTHS, AND THEY WOULD BE AUTOMATICALLY OPTED OUT IN THAT WAY AS WELL.

I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADD THAT AFTER SIX MONTHS OF IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS PROGRAM, COUNCIL HAS THE ABILITY TO REVIEW ALL OF THE DATA AND INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE. WE WILL HAVE RECEIVED IN SIX MONTHS AND DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO KEEP THIS PROGRAM AND WHETHER IT SERVES THE COMMUNITY'S NEEDS. AND I REALLY RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR GRACE FROM YOU AND YOUR COHORTS TO ALLOW PEOPLE IN THE CITY TO TRY IT OUT, TO GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO JUST SEE IF THEY LIKE IT, AND THEN IF IT'S NOT WORKING, IF WE IF WE FEEL THAT THIS IS JUST NOT THE PROGRAM FOR THE CITY OF GARLAND, WE HAVE THE ABILITY WITHOUT FEE OR

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YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE OPEN FORUM. THAT'S WHAT A TOWN HALL IS. SIR. SIR, THAT'S WHAT A TOWN HALL IS.

DO YOU GO TO THE TOWN HALLS THAT YOUR COUNCIL PERSON PUTS ON? I DON'T THINK. WELL, THAT'S WHERE THAT'S HOW WE CONVEY INFORMATION TO OUR CONSTITUENTS. THEY WE HAVE A BIG MEETING AND THEY COME AND THEY LISTEN TO US TALK ABOUT PROGRAMS AND THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON IN THE CITY.

AND LIKE I SAID, I'VE BEEN GOING OVER THIS FOR MONTHS WITH MY WITH MY RESIDENTS. SHOULD I HAVE TO COME TO YOUR TOWN HALL TO FIND OUT YOU GOT A NEW PROGRAM? HOW WOULD YOU PREFER FOR ME TO COMMUNICATE WITH YOU? I HAVE A LETTER. I HAVE A YOU GOT? SURE. I HAVE A PHONE THAT I ANSWER 24 HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS WEEK. IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION AND YOU WANT TO ASK ME SOMETHING, I WILL ANSWER IT AND TALK TO YOU. UNLESS I'M AT A COUNCIL MEETING. YEAH. I'M NOT UP FOR DEBATE ON HOW YOU'RE TALKING, DOING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. BUT YOU YOU WANT SPECIFIC PREFER. AND I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE ADVERTISEMENTS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS. YOU HAD THE ADVERTISEMENTS WHEN YOU DID THE BOND ELECTION FOR THE SCHOOL.

AND YET 60% OF THE THE WHOLE VOTES VOTED FOR IT WHEN IT SAID CLEARLY THAT THE VOTE WAS GOING TO INCREASE. BUT THIS ISN'T ABOUT THE BOND ELECTION. THIS IS ABOUT MD HEALTH PATHWAYS.

UNDERSTAND THAT THEY ARE PAYING FOR ALL OF THE OUTREACH PROCESS. YOUU ASKED HOW AM I GOING TO DO THAT? YOU'VE GOT TO OPEN UP. AND JUST COMING TO THE COUNCIL MEETING DOES NOT GET YOU OPEN BECAUSE 90% OF THIS TOWN IS NOT GOING TO COME. 90% OF DALLAS WON'T COME, 90% OF PLANO, NEITHER ANYWHERE ELSE. BUT IF THEY COME AND KNOW THAT THERE'S AN ISSUE ON THE TABLE PRIOR TO COMING, YOU MIGHT SEE A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION. WE DO HAVE A WAY OF TELLING YOU THAT THERE ARE AGENDAS POSTED, AND YOU CAN SIGN UP FOR IT AND RECEIVE IT IN YOUR EMAIL INBOX, AND IT WILL TELL YOU EVERY SINGLE MEETING THAT WE HAVE THAT YOU WANT TO, THAT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN. AND AND THAT'S VERY EASY TO SIGN UP FOR, I'M SURE STAFF, ONE OF OUR STAFF MEMBERS WOULD BE HAPPY. YOUR CITIZENS. DO YOU KNOW THAT WOULD ACTUALLY SIGN UP FOR IT? I MEAN, MY DAD WOULD HAVE SIGNED UP FOR THAT. LET'S DO THIS. LET'S DO THE PROCEDURE FOR THAT. BEFORE YOU SPEAK TO THAT AREA. MY DAD WAS A SENIOR. OKAY. I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, I HONESTLY DO, BUT I FEEL THAT THE THE OPT OUT NOTION OF THIS PROGRAM IS THE ONLY THING THAT PEOPLE ARE REALLY UPSET ABOUT, AND ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF THAT IS SO MUCH MORE BENEFICIAL TO THE RESIDENTS OF GARLAND. WE HAVE 250,000 PEOPLE IN THE CITY, AND ALMOST A THIRD OF THEM ARE UNDER OR OR HAVE NO INSURANCE. NONE. AND I ASSUME THAT YOU MIGHT BE ON MEDICARE. IS THAT TRUE? THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE THAT. THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE THAT DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO HEALTH CARE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN WITHOUT INSURANCE, BUT IT'S SCARY WHEN YOU GET SICK. I UNDERSTAND THAT, AND IT'S SCARY WHEN YOUR KIDS GET SICK. AND I HAVE DEEPEST EMPATHY FOR ANYONE THAT DOES OR DOESN'T HAVE THE INSURANCE, BUT AND THAT'S WHO. THAT'S WHO THIS IS FOR. IF A SENIOR NOTICES SEES OH, WELL, I'VE BEEN PAYING THIS THING FOR TWO MONTHS AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IT IS. WE CAN REFUND THEIR MONEY AND THEY CAN OPT OUT AT ANY TIME. AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, YOU CAN USE THIS PROGRAM TOO. AND IT MAY HELP YOU WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO GET TO THE DOCTOR LIKE THE GENTLEMAN SPOKE ABOUT EARLIER. LET'S PUT IT ON THE BALLOT AND JUST HAVE A VOTE FOR IT IN MARCH OR APRIL. THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, SIR. WE'VE ALREADY IMPLEMENTED THE PROGRAM.

WE'VE ALREADY IMPLEMENTED THE PROGRAM, I UNDERSTAND, WITHOUT CONSENT. LET'S, LET'S, LET'S THE THING THAT HAS NOT BEEN. HOLD ON, SIR, IT HASN'T STARTED. WE HAVEN'T PUT A LINE ITEM ON.

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AND SO I KNOTHAT THAT'S A LOT OF THE ISSUE WITH PEOPLE NOT GETTING THAT CONFIRMATION. SO I JUST WANTED TO I'LL ASK MR. HENDRICKS, IS THAT A GOOD IDEA? WHAT? SIR, IT'S A JOKE. YES, SIR. FOR ME TO HAVE YOUR NUMBER, I MIGHT PRANK CALL YOU. YOU ALREADY GAVE IT. YOU ALREADY GAVE IT AWAY. I'D ACTUALLY GIVE ME ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MA'AM. THAT'S IT. ALL RIGHT, COUNCILMEMBER MOORE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU. I THINK THAT ONE SECOND, SIR. SIR.

EXCUSE ME. SIR. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. WE'RE NOT DONE WITH YOU YET. COUNCILMEMBER MOORE HAS A QUESTION. WELL, WHERE ARE YOU? I'M REALLY HAVING DIFFICULTY. WITH THE DIALOG THAT'S TAKING PLACE. AND I THINK THAT THAT MAY BE PART OF THE BIG PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE. WE WANT TO BE TRANSPARENT. AND THEN I THINK WE GIVE SOMEWHAT MISLEADING INFORMATION. ON ONE HAND, WE HEAR THAT, WELL, THE PROGRAM HAS NOT BEEN INITIATED YET. ON THE OTHER HAND, YES, THE PROGRAM HAS BEEN INITIATED. WE'VE GOT SIX MONTHS, AND WITHIN SIX MONTHS WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE TO SEE IF WE'RE GOING TO GO FORWARD WITH IT OR NOT. TO MY KNOWLEDGE, AGAIN, THE PROGRAM HAS BEEN INITIATED. WE'RE NOT ON A SIX MONTH TRIAL PERIOD. WE'RE WAITING NOW FOR ONE VOTE, AND THAT VOTE HAS NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH IF THE PROGRAM IS GOING TO BE IMPLEMENTED OR NOT. IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH CHANGING THE CHARTER, CHANGING LANGUAGE SUCH THAT WE CAN IMPLEMENT THE PROGRAM. AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, AGAIN, WE CANNOT IMPLEMENT THE PROGRAM UNTIL THAT VOTE TAKES PLACE.

BUT THERE IS NO VOTE. TO MY KNOWLEDGE, IF THE PROGRAM IS GOING TO GO FORWARD OR NOT, THE PROGRAM IS ALREADY GOING FORWARD. WE'RE IN THE SIX MONTH PERIOD PRESENTLY. AND BY THE WAY, LET ME SAY THAT I THINK THAT THAT PROBABLY ONE OF THE BIGGEST MISNOMERS THAT WE'VE HAD TO TELL OUR CITIZENS TO READ THAT WE HAVE SIX MONTHS AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO VOTE AGAIN ON IF THIS PROGRAM GOING TO BE IMPLEMENTED OR NOT. I'M GOING TO ASK THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT, CAN YOU CHIME IN? IS THAT OR IS THAT NOT THE CASE? THE PROGRAM HAS NOT BEEN

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AFTER EVALUATING THE PROGRAM, THE COUNCIL CAN ELECT TO OPT OUT AT THAT POINT. PRIOR TO IMPLEMENTATION, THIS COUNCIL HAS TO VOTE TO AMEND THE CITY THE CODE OF ORDINANCES TO ALLOW THIS THIS FEE TO BE PLACED ON THE UTILITY BILL THAT HAS TO BE VOTED ON AND APPROVED PRIOR TO THIS PROGRAM EVER BEING IMPLEMENTED. AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE NOW. AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING AT THE TIME, BASED ON CONVERSATIONS THAT THIS COUNCIL HAD INITIALLY, IS THAT THAT 30 DAY OPT OUT PERIOD PRIOR TO IMPLEMENTATION WAS I WAS INSTRUCTED TO PUT THAT IN THERE INTENTIONALLY BECAUSE COUNCIL DESIRED TO USE THE LAST FIVE MONTHS, 4 TO 5 MONTHS. I CAN'T REMEMBER WHEN IT GOT PASSED. NOW I'M GETTING OLD, BUT USE THE USE THE TIME BETWEEN THE CONTRACT BEING SIGNED AND THE CONTRACT BEING IMPLEMENTED AS THE PUBLIC NOTIFICATION PERIOD WHERE THE OTHER PARTY HAD CERTAIN CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS TO TO REACH OUT TO THE PUBLIC, NOTIFY THE PUBLIC, AND IT GAVE THE CITY COUNCIL THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SEVERAL DIFFERENT TOWN HALLS, PUBLIC MEETINGS. IN FACT, ONCE A MONTH WE HAVE A PUBLIC MEETING ON THIS. AND SO MY UNDERSTANDING AT THE TIME THAT THE COUNT FROM DIRECTION OF COUNCIL WHEN Y'ALL APPROVED THIS CONTRACT WAS Y'ALL WANTED THAT 30 DAY OPT OUT PERIOD, BECAUSE Y'ALL WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS A NOTIFICATION PERIOD, A BIGGER NOTIFICATION PERIOD THAN THE CITY'S REALLY, QUITE FRANKLY, HAVE EVER HAD BEFORE. AND THAT'S WHAT Y'ALL BEEN DOING FOR THE LAST THREE MONTHS, AND WHAT Y'ALL ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE CONTRACT.

IS THAT LANGUAGE IN THE CONTRACT? YES, IT IS. NOW THAT LANGUAGE BEING IN THE CONTRACT, WE'RE SAYING THEN AT THIS POINT, THIS COUNCIL HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE ONE MORE TIME ON IF THIS PROGRAM IS GOING TO GO INTO EFFECT OR NOT. IS THAT CORRECT? NOT EXACTLY.

Y'ALL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE ON THE ORDINANCE TO AMEND WHETHER OR NOT TO AMEND THE ORDINANCE TO ALLOW THIS TYPE OF FEE TO BE ON THE UTILITY BILL. IF Y'ALL DO NOT PASS THAT, THEN THIS PROGRAM WILL NOT BE IMPLEMENTED. AND WHAT ARE THE PROVISIONS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN THE WAY OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DETERMINE IF, IN FACT, THE PROGRAM GOES FORWARD OR NOT? WHAT WERE THE CRITERIA THAT THE COMPANY HAS TO ESTABLISH? SOMEONE SAID 10,000. WHAT ARE THE CRITERIA? ONE SECOND, CAN WE WAIT FOR THIS DISCUSSION FOR THE ACTUAL AGENDA ITEM? YES, SIR. AND THE REASON I'M ASKING THAT IS BECAUSE WE'RE GOING BACK AND FORTH HERE IN CONVERSATION. COUNCIL IS SAYING CERTAIN THINGS TO THE CONSTITUENTS. CONSTITUENTS ARE SAYING CERTAIN THINGS. WE NEED TO KNOW THE FACTS OF WHAT WE'RE TRULY DEALING WITH HERE.

UNDERSTOOD. YES, SIR. CAN WE WAIT TILL FOR THAT DISCUSSION, UNTIL THE POSTED ITEM AND LET OUR GENTLEMAN GO? WHO CAME F FOR CITIZEN COMMENTS? THIS LAST QUESTION HERE WAS CERTAINLY, IF YOU CAN ANSWER THAT, WHAT OTHER CRITERIA IS THAT IN TERMS OF WHAT THE OTHER PARTY KNOW? YES.

AND WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO IN ORDER FOR US TO EVALUATE WHAT'S THE EVALUATIVE? WELL, THERE IS NO CRITERIA IN TERMS OF EVALUATION AFTER THE PROGRAM HAS BEEN IMPLEMENTED. NO, NO, NO, NO. IT'S WHAT BEFORE IMPLEMENTATION. AGAIN, THERE IS NO CRITERIA BECAUSE STATE LAW DOES NOT ALLOW UNDER CONTRACT TO FORCE A LEGISLATIVE BODY TO TAKE A PARTICULAR LEGISLATIVE ACTION. AND THAT'S MY POINT. SEPARATE ACTIONS. POINT IS, IF THERE IS NO EVALUATIVE PROCESS, THEN WHAT ARE WE WAITING SIX MONTHS TO DO? WHAT ARE WE GOING TO EVALUATE THE COMPANY ON BASED ON WHETHER THEY PASSED OR DID NOT PASS? WHAT? ALL RIGHT. LET'S LET'S. OKAY, GENTLEMEN, UP HERE I WANT TO GET TO OTHER SPEAKERS. WE CAN HAVE THIS DISCUSSION. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU SIR. YOU MAY HAVE ONE SECOND. YES, SIR. IF ANY OF YOU ARE STILL CONFUSED ABOUT THIS, THINK OF THE 80 OR 250,000 MEMBERS OF THIS COMMUNITY ARE THE SAME WAY. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU SIR. MADAM SECRETARY, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? YES, SIR. WE HAVE SIX. OKAY. WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL OUR NEXT SPEAKER, NANCY, CLICK. CAN YOU SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME, MA'AM? NANCY? NANCY, CLICK. YES, SIR. I CLICK. I LIVE ON ROYAL CREST.

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FIRST OF ALL, I'M AGAINST THIS PROGRAM. WE'RE NOT A WELFARE CITY, FOR ONE THING. OH YEAH, I KNOW THAT'S GOING TO HIT SOME PEOPLE KIND OF HARD, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE IN THAT. I THINK THAT THE WAY THIS WAS PUT OUT WAS DECEITFUL. AS SOME OF THE OTHERS HAVE SAID, IT'S LIKE IT WAS BEING HIDDEN OR WHATEVER AND PUTTING IT ON A BILL THAT MOST PEOPLE WILL NOT SEE BECAUSE, I MEAN, I HAVE MINE AUTOMATICALLY PAID. I DON'T LOOK AT THAT BILL ALL THE TIME.

I KNOW ABOUT WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE. LOO GOOD, I'M GOOD. AND A LOT OF OLD PEOPLE, THEY HAVE OTHER PEOPLE PAYING THEIR BILLS FOR THEM, SO THEY MAY NEVER SEE THIS CHARGE ON THEIR BILL. AND IT'S ONLY $6 FOR RIGHT NOW. THAT DOESN'T SOUND SOSO BAD, BUT IT ADDS UP AND THN IT'S GOING TO INCREASE. AND THAT'S UNFAIR TO THE PEOPLE IN THIS CITY. UNFAIR THAT YOU WOULD PUT A CHARGE LIKE THAT ON OUR BILLS. NOW, ONE THING I DID LOOK UP AND Y'ALL CAN DISPUTE IT, WHICH I'M SURE SOME OF YOU WILL. IT SAYS HERE A CITY CANNOT ATTACH A MANDATORY FEE UNRELATED TO WATER SERVICES ON WATER BILLS. THE ATTORNEY GENERAL CONCLUDED THAT YOU CANNOT DO THIS. OTHER STATES, OTHER CITIES HAVE TRIED THIS, AND SOME OF THEM WERE GOOD THINGS, LIKE EXTRA MONEY FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. THAT'S A GOOD THING. I SUPPORT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT 100%. WITHOUT THEM, IT WOULD BE A HORRIBLE PLACE TO LIVE. THEY ALSO TRIED TO ENFORCE A FEE FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. IT WAS VOTED DOWN. YOU CANNOT PLACE A FEE ON A WATER BILL THAT'S NOT RELATED TO THE WATER. AND THIS OPTING OUT AGAIN, AS THEY WERE SAYING, MOST PEOPLE DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT. I DIDN'T KNOW IT, I CALLED IT, I SAID, WHAT IS THIS? HE SAID, OH, WAIT A MINUTE, YOU KNOW. AND I LISTENED TO HIM AND HE TOLD ME HOW TO OPT OUT. AND IT TOOK ME A COUPLE MONTHS TO GET OPT OUT BECAUSE I CALLED HIM. I SAID, YOU HAVE AN OPT ME OUT. I SENT YOU A LETTER. THEY FINALLY GOT IT OPT OUT. BUT IT TOOK THEM A WHILE. THEY JUST DIDN'T TAKE CARE OF IT. AND IF THAT'S THE KIND OF BUSINESS YOU'RE GOING TO BE DEALING WITH, WHAT ELSE WILL THEY BE DELAYED ON? AND THEN YOUR STATEMENT ABOUT YOU HAVE THREE MONTHS. OH, YOU HAVE THREE MONTHS TO OPT OUT OF THIS AND YOU'LL GET YOUR MONEY BACK. OH, WHAT IF I DON'T SEE IT FOR FOUR, FIVE, SIX MONTHS LATER? SO SAD. TOO BAD THAT'S NOT RIGHT. THAT IS NOT RIGHT AND YOU KNOW IT. THE OTHER THING I ASK YOU TO SUM UP YOUR COMMENTS. YOUR THREE MINUTES WENT BY FAST. I HAVE TO ASK YOU TO SUM ALREADY. I HAVE ONE MORE THING TO SAY. WELL DADGUM IT. OKAY, FINE. ALL RIGHT. QUESTIONS. WE HAVE ONE. COUNCILMEMBER DUTTON, ARE YOU AWARE THAT YOU HAVE A $2 AND 50 CENT EMS CHARGE THAT'S ON YOUR YOUR GARLAND POWER AND LIGHT BILL? NO. WHAT IS IT? I'M STARTING TO LOOK AT THEM ALL. LET ME TELL YOU, I WILL BE INVESTIGATING EVERY CHARGE THAT'S ON THERE NOW. AND YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE ARE UPSET. I GET IT, AND I'VE LISTENED TO IT FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS, AND I UNDERSTAND. BUT I HOPE THAT ONE THING THAT EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS AND REALIZES FROM THIS EXPERIENCE IS TO PAY ATTENTION. AND I, WHEN YOU DON'T PUT IT OUT THERE, LIKE YOU SAID, HOW CAN YOU GET IT TO PEOPLE? SEND A LETTER TO EVERY PERSON'S HOUSE. SEND A LETTER LETTING THEM KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT IN IS A FEE ON SOMEONE'S BILL. YOU KNOW THAT'S HIDING IT THERE. THAT'S LIKE, LET'S DON'T DO THAT. THEY MIGHT FIND OUT ABOUT IT. THAT'S NOT RIGHT. SO I DID MAKE THAT SUGGESTION. AND OUR MAYOR SAID THAT HE WANTED NO PART OF THAT. SO THAT HAS BEEN A SUGGESTION ALREADY OUT THERE. HOWEVER, YOU CAN LEAD A HORSE TO WATER, RIGHT? SO WE HAVE I MEAN THAT THAT'S TRUE, RIGHT? LIKE THE LITERAL US. OH, ABSOLUTELY. BUT HERE'S THE THING. GET THAT INFORMATION TO US HOWEVER YOU CAN AND DON'T GIVE EXCUSES. OH I THERE'S A WATER THEY DIDN'T DRINK. THERE'S THE COUNCIL MEETING. THEY DIDN'T COME. THAT IS BULL MALARKEY. AND YOU KNOW KNOW WHAT. WHAT IS BULL

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AND THOSE THOSE PEOPLE, THOSE PEOPLE THAT IT WOULD MAKE OR BREAK THEM, THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT THEIR BILLS ARE. I CAN'T TELL YOU HOWOW MANY PELE I, OVER THE LAST THREE WEEKS ON SOCIAL MEDIA, HAVE BEEN OUT OF THEIR MIND ABOUT THEIR AUTOMOBILE. WE WE ALL KNOW IF YOU'VE GOT ATMOS, YOUR BILL ALMOST TRIPLED, RIGHT? 99% OF PEOPLE DIDN'T REALIZE THAT ATMOS CHARGES YOU A SEPARATE FEE THAT ONLY HITS YOUR ACCOUNT WHEN IT STARTS GETTING COLD. IT'S ONLY A COUPLE, WHATEVER THAT WORD IS IN THE COLD MONTHS.

BUT PEOPLE DON'T PAY ATTENTION. AND THOSE ARE BIG THINGS. THOSE ARE BIG THINGS WHEN I MEAN, YOU'RE AN EXTRA LINE ITEM ON YOUR ATMOS BILL JUST COST YOU AN EXTRA $200. THAT'S HUGE. THE PEOPLE THAT $6 IS GOING TO MAKE OR BREAK, THEY'RE PAYING ATTENTION TO THEIR BILLS. BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION TO OUR NEIGHBORS. YES IT IS. IT IS EVERYONE'S RESPONSIBILITY TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS. I ASKED THE GUY AT THE GAS STATION, ARE YOU A GARLAND RESIDENT? HEY, THIS IS WHAT THIS IS WHAT'S GOING DOWN. THAT IS OUR HUMANLY DUTY. I CAN ONLY DO SO MUCH AS ONE PERSON, AS A COUNCIL. WE CAN ONLY DO SO MUCH. BUT IF WE CARED ABOUT OUR NEIGHBORS AS MUCH, AS MUCH AS WHAT WE ARE ALL SAYING, THEN THIS ONE GOOD GAME OF TELEPHONE AND WE'VE KNOCKED IT OUT. SO HOPEFULLY FROM THIS WE HAVE ALL LEARNED TO PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT'S GOING ON. WE'RE NOT. THERE'S NO WAY THE CITY IS GOING TO SEND OUT A LETTER TO EVERYONE. EVERY TIME WE DO SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO AFFECT SOMEONE, THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR. EVERY SINGLE THING THAT WE DO AFFECTS OUR CITY. YOU SEE A A FLIER OUT, IT'S A THREE PAGE LETTER GARLAND NEWS OR WHATEVER IT COULD BE IN THAT. IT COULD BE ON THE VERY LAST PAGE. IT HAS BEEN IN THERE WHERE IT'S ON WHEN YOU OPEN IT, IT'S THERE. I DID NOT SEE IT. AND I READ THAT AND THAT THAT IS THE POINT, IS THOSE GO OUT TO EVERY HOUSE IN THE CITY OF GARLAND. I CAN'T MAKE YOU READ IT. I WISH I COULD. YOU CAN'T CAN'T MAKE ANYBODY READ IT. BUT JUST LIKE DO JUST LIKE THE OTHER WOMAN SAID, HER HUSBAND SAID HE WAS JUST GOING TO IGNORE IT. I CAN'T MAKE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT. THOSE ARE THINGS YOU SHOULDN'T IGNORE. EVERY. YOU DIDN'T. TO ME, Y'ALL HAVE NOT DONE YOUR DUE DILIGENCE IN GETTING THAT INFORMATION OUT TO THE PEOPLE RIGHT NOW. BUT WE HAVE I WOULD SAY THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW ABOUT THIS. I FOUND IT ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND I'M GOING, WHAT? GREAT. AND THAT WAS GREAT. SO BUT Y JUST SAID YOU DIDN'T SEE IT IN THE CITY PRESS. IT'S BEEN THERE MULTIPLE MULTIPLE TIMES. IT'S BEEN IN THERE. SO WE CLEARLY STATING WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO. I HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE PLEASE DO. YOU'RE NOT PUTTING IT OUT THERE FOR PEOPLE TO REALIZE WHAT YOU'RE DOING TO THEM. I MEAN, IF IT IF THE INFORMATION IS THERE, THAT'S QUITE LITERALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING. OPT OUT LIKE THAT FLIER, THEY'RE SAYING THAT WAS SO CONFUSING. OPT OUT. WELL, I DON'T NEED TO DO THAT BECAUSE YOU WEREN'T CLEAR ON WHAT THAT FLIER SHOULD HAVE BEEN SAYING TO THE PEOPLE THAT GOT IT. IF THEY READ IT NOW AGAIN, THEY MAY NOT READ IT. I DIDN'T READ IT. I THREW IT AWAY. I GOT MY BILL. OKAY, THROW AWAY. BUT IT HAS TO BE CLEAR. AND THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT NEED A LETTER A TO SAY THIS IS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. ONE, TWO, THREE AND Y'ALL HAVE NOT DONE THAT. AND I AGREE WE DO NEED A LETTER. AND AGAIN TO ME IT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE NOT VOTED ON. AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL SAYS YOU CAN'T DO THIS. SO I'M KIND OF CURIOUS ABOUT HOW Y'ALL ARE ABLE TO DOO IT WHEN THE ATTORNEY GENERAL

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AS YOU ALL KNOW THAT WE DO NOT REPORT, WE DO NOT FALL UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF THE PUC. AS FAR AS THE REGULATORY AUTHORITY, Y'ALL ARE THE REGULATORY AUTHORITY OF CITY COUNCIL AS THE REGULATORY REGULATORY AUTHORITY OVER A MUNICIPALITY WHO OWNS ITS OWN WATER UTILITY UTILITY GIVES YOU ALL A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS ON HOW TO PUT THIS ON THE UTILITY BILL.

ONE IS WHAT I TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, AND THAT'S CHANGING THE ORDINANCE. THAT'S FROM THE UTILITY CODE. IF Y'ALL CHANGE THE ORDINANCE, WHICH WE CALL A TARIFF, THAT'S THE UTILITY TARIFF, AND YOU'LL ALLOW THAT TO BE LISTED AS A LINE ITEM, THEN YOU CAN PLACE IT ON THE UTILITY CODE. IT IS TRUE THERE HAVE BEEN ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINIONS OUT THERE IN DIFFERENT CASES. AND IF WE DIDN'T STRUCTURE THIS CORRECTLY, THEN YES, THIS COULD HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED AN UNLAWFUL TAX. BUT WE STRUCTURED IT. WE WERE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT HOW WE STRUCTURED THIS IN THE CONTRACT. AND BECAUSE OF THAT, THAT ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINION SHE'S TALKING ABOUT DOES NOT APPLY TO OUR SITUATION BECAUSE WE MADE SURE THAT THAT THE FACTS IN THAT ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINION WERE NOT THE SAME AS THE FACTS HERE. THAT'S THE SHORT ANSWER. SO IT WOULD WE HAVE NOT CHANGED THE ORDINANCE YET. OKAY. SO IT STILL CAN'T FLY AS IT IS RIGHT NOW UNLESS YOU CHANGE THE ORDER. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. SO YOU'LL HAVE TO DO THAT BEFORE YOU CAN EVEN DO ANYTHING ELSE. OKAY. AND JUST TO CLARIFY, YOU MENTIONED ABOUT ME NOT WANTING TO SPEND ON THIS LETTER. I SAID I WANTED TO GO PER THE CONTRACT. AND THERE ARE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS WE HAVE TO MEET FOR ADVERTISING, AND I DIDN'T WANT TO SPEND ADDITIONAL TAXPAYER DOLLARS GOING BEYOND WHAT'S IN THE CONTRACT. COUNCILMEMBER BEARD OKAY, FIRST OF ALL, EXCUSE ME, I'M HAVING A MUSCLE SPASM BEHIND MY EYE SO I'M NOT MAKING FACES AT EVERYBODY. THERE IS A DOOR TO DOOR BROCHURE THAT IS BEING SENT OUT BY MD HEALTH PATHWAYS.

I HAVE RECEIVED ONE AT MY HOUSE. NOW IT'S GOING CITYWIDE. IT'S ABOUT 5 OR 6 PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING THIS A NEIGHBORHOOD AT A TIME. IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN OVERNIGHT. BUT I DO KNOW BECAUSE I GOT ONE, IT WAS A THREE PAGE PACKET THAT HAD ALL THE INFORMATION THAT YOU NEEDED TO OPT TO STAY IN, TO OPT OUT, ETC. IT IS COMING. OKAY. THEY'RE WORKING ON IT VERY DILIGENTLY AND I'M SURE THERE WILL BE SOME HOUSEHOLD OR ONE STREET OR BLOCK THAT GETS MISSED. AND I'M SO SORRY, BUT THERE IS A GROUP THAT IS DOING THAT THAT IS BEING PAID FOR THROUGH MD HEALTH PATHWAYS. ARE Y'ALL DOUBLE CHECKING TO MAKE SURE THEY DO IT? I, I DO LIKE I SAID, IT SHOWED UP AT MY HOUSE RANDOMLY. SO IT IS BEING DONE. THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY. I'M NOT GOING TO FOLLOW THEM AROUND TOWN TO MAKE SURE. OKAY, IT IS IN THE CITY PRESS I WORKED WITH.

I PERSONALLY WORKED WITH OUR PMR OFFICE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY PRESSES ARE BEING DELIVERED, BECAUSE WE HAD SOME NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WEREN'T GETTING CITY PRESSES. IT IS IN THE CITY PRESS. IT IS RIGHT ABOVE YOUR ADDRESS OR WHERE IT SAYS RESIDENT OR POSTAL CUSTOMER, BANNER STYLE. RIGHT ABOVE THAT ON, I GUESS IT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE BACK PAGE OF THE CITY PRESS. AND THERE IS AN ARTICLE INSIDE THAT'S HAPPENED, I THINK TWICE. WE'VE ALL HAD TOWN HALL MEETINGS, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MEETINGS, WHATEVER TO DISCUSS THIS IN ALL OF OUR DISTRICTS. IT HAS BEEN IN YOUR UTILITY BILL. I HAD A LADY CALL ME AND SAY, I WOULDN'T HAVE KNOWN ABOUT THIS IF IT WASN'T IN MY UTILITY BILL. EXACTLY. THAT'S WHY IT WAS IN A FLIER IN YOUR UTILITY BILL. SO IT WAS UNCLEAR. IT WAS. THEN YOU CALL SOMEBODY AND ASK A QUESTION. YOU HAVE TO TAKE SOME PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. WE ALL HAVE TO

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THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT, AND IT IS BEING DONE NEIGHBORHOOD BY NEIGHBORHOOD, SLOWLY. BUT IT IS HAPPENING. SO NO, THE CITY IS NOT PAYING TO DO A MAILER TO EVERYBODY IN THE CITY. THAT'S A BIG WASTE OF YOUR TAX DOLLARS. BUT MD HEALTH PATHWAYS HAS PROVIDED A FLIER, A MULTI-PAGE FLIER THAT IS BEING HAND-DELIVERED. THEY CANNOT RING YOUR DOORBELL.

THAT'S A SOLICITOR. THEY HAVE TO JUST LEAVE IT ON YOUR FRONT PORCH. THAT IS THE LAW. THAT'S HOW IT HAS TO BE DONE. AND I KNOW IT'S COMPANIES THAT HAVE DONE THAT AND I'M NOT THROWING IT AWAY. THEY HAVEN'T DELIVERED. I CAN'T DISCUSS THAT. I KNOW, BUT THAT'S HOW IT. SO YOU WANT IT DOOR TO DOOR. IT'S HAPPENING. DOOR TO DOOR. ALRIGHT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. WHEN ARE Y'ALL GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THAT ORDINANCE? ORDINANCE TO CHANGE? BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M HERE. WHEN Y'ALL DO THAT. WE'LL CERTAINLY HAVE NOTIFICATION OF WHEN THAT WILL HAPPEN FOR CERTAIN. AND WE DON'T HAVE A DATE YET, BUT WE WILL CERTAINLY LET THE PUBLIC THAT HAS TO BE DONE BEFORE ANY OF THIS CAN BE PROCESSED, BEFORE IT GOES ON THE BILL. YES, MA'AM. NO OTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. MADAM SECRETARY, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL OUR NEXT SPEAKER, BOB AND PAM CHISM? YOU GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES. BOB AND PAM CHISM, WE LIVE AT 5415 VINEWOOD DRIVE IN GARLAND. WE'VE LIVED HERE IN THE SAME HOUSE FOR 23 YEARS, CAME FROM MEMPHIS, AND WE'RE FOR IT FOR THE REASONS, THE YOUNG MAN SAID.

WE KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE THAT YOUNG MAN. THEY DON'T HAVE ANY INSURANCE HERE AT ALL. AND WE LOVE GARLAND. AND TO SAY WE LOVE GARLAND DOES NOT SAY WE LOVE THE STREETS, ALTHOUGH WE LIKE THOSE. IT DOESN'T SAY THAT WE LOVE THE PARKS, ALTHOUGH WE TAKE OUR GRANDKIDS TO THOSE WE LOVE THE PEOPLE OF GARLAND. WE DON'T JUST LOVE US, WE LOVE ALL THE PEOPLE. AND I'M A MINISTER, AND I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WON'T HAVE ANY HELP ANY OTHER WAY. AND SO IT'S NOT GOING TO COST US MUCH. WE SOMETIMES DO OUR ACCOUNTING, WE CALL THEM TACO BELL DOLLARS. WE'RE TRYING TO BUY SOMETHING. WE SAY, I SAY, PAM, THAT'S THAT'S WHAT IT COST TO BUY TACO. LET'S DO IT. IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S NOT GOING TO COST US MUCH TO DO THIS. WE HAVE INSURANCE. WE HAVE GOOD INSURANCE. MY WIFE WAS ON THE PHONE WITH A RECORDING SAYING, ALL OUR OPERATORS ARE BUSY.

PLEASE HANG ON. IT WAS AN INSURANCE MEDICAL INSURANCE QUESTION, BUT WE WERE GOING TO WAIT ON IT BECAUSE WE'LL ALL KNOW WHATEVER WE WANT TO KNOW. I'LL GET THE INFORMATION. IF I DON'T HAVE IT, I'LL GET ON AND I'LL. I'LL WAIT UNTIL THEY GET TO ME. AND SO IF I WANT TO KNOW IT, I'LL FIND OUT. AND IF I AND I CAN, SOCIAL MEDIA, THAT'S NOT THE BEST SOURCE BECAUSE I'M NOT GOING TO HEAR FROM I'M GOING TO HEAR STRONG OPINIONS FROM ALL SIDES. I NEED TO CALL THE COMPANY. I NEED TO CALL YOU. I NEED TO READ THE ADS. I CAN FIND OUT WHATEVER I WANT TO FIND OUT. SO THAT'S MY LITTLE SPEECH, PAM. WELL, I'LL JUST SAY WE DO HAVE INSURANCE, I HAVE MEDICARE. I CAME HOME FROM A TRIP AND MY EAR WAS REALLY MESSED UP FROM SINUS INFECTION AND FLYING, AND IT WAS ON THE WEEKEND. AND SO I THOUGHT, WELL, I'LL GIVE THIS A TRY. AND SO I GOT IT OUT AND I WAS CONNECTED IMMEDIATELY WITH SOMEONE WHO SPOKE WITH ME, TOLD ME SOME

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AND I WENT TO THE LIBRARY TODAY, AND THERE WAS THE GREAT BIG FOLDOVER SIGN THAT TOLD ALL ABOUT TELEHEALTH SITTING RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF THE LIBRARY. IT WAS ENGLISH ON ONE SIDE, SPANISH ON THE OTHER SIDE, AND I WAS REALLY GLAD TO SEE THAT AS WELL. SO I'LL JUST SAY THAT AS A CITIZEN OF GARLAND, I AM AWARE OF HOW MANY PEOPLE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO HEALTH CARE, AND I, I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING, A FORTUNATE THING TO HAVE. SO AND I THINK YOU ALL ARE DOING A GREAT JOB. I APPRECIATE YOUR WORK. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THIS IS NOT FUN. SO THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS. ANY QUESTIONS? I DON'T SEE ONE IN THE QUEUE, BUT I'M GLAD THAT WE GOT YOU OFF OF BEALE STREET AND COME OVER TO STATE STREET HERE IN DOWNTOWN GARLAND. YEAH. THANK YOU BOTH. MADAM SECRETARY, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL OUR NEXT SPEAKER, CHANCE MARSHALL? HEY, EVERYBY, CAN YOU ALL HEAR ME? OKAY, OKAY. FANTASTIC. MY NAME IS CHANCE MARCHIAFAVA. I LIVE AT 20061 OAK LANE IN GARLAND, TEXAS. 75040, AND THE ESTEEMED CHRIS BEARD'S DISTRICT TWO RIGHT ON THE EDGE THERE. I'M A BLUE COLLAR GUY. I'M GOING TO TRY TOXPRESS MYSELF WITHOUT USING PROFANITY. I WILL BE USING MY WHOLE THREE MINUTES.

I'M FOR THIS PROPOSITION. SO IF ANYBODY WHO'S AGAINST IT WANTS TO GO TO THE BATHROOM, NOW'S A GOOD TIME. I'VE BEEN A PARAMEDIC FOR 20, 21 YEARS AND I CANNOT TAKE ENOUGH TIME TO EXPLAIN THE UTILITY OF A SERVICE LIKE THIS TO A CITIZEN. I COULD SPEAK ON IT ALL DAY.

FOR ME, AS SOMEBODY WHO MAKES OKAY MONEY AND HAS INSURANCE AND GENERALLY HAS A GOOD QUALITY OF LIFE, I STILL SEE THIS AS A BENEFIT FOR SOMEBODY LIKE ME. DOCTORS KEEP BANKERS HOURS. WITH THIS PROGRAM. YOU'RE GETTING AN EXTRA FIVE HOURS FROM 5 TO 10, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK AND 7 TO 10 ON THE WEEKENDS TO UTILIZE A SERVICE FOR SUCH A CHEAP PRICE. IT'S ALMOST UNBELIEVABLE. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU ALL THE PRICE ON ANYTHING HAS NOT GONE DOWN IN THE PAST, WHAT, FIVE, TEN YEARS? EVERYTHING JUST KEEPS GOING UP. THAT'S WHAT IT FEELS LIKE TO ME.

I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL FEEL THE SAME WAY. SORRY. I'M FROM SOUTH LOUISIANA. MY ACCENT COMES OUT A LITTLE BIT WHENEVER I GET EXCITED. THE FACT THAT YOU CAN ACCESS THIS SERVICE AT THE COST OF A YEAR FOR $6 A MONTH FOR $72, OR EVEN WHEN THE PRICE GOES UP, BECAUSE I BELIEVE I SAW SOMEWHERE. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S TRUE OR NOT, THAT OVER TIME THE PRICE GOES UP JUST LIKE ANYTHING ELSE, BUT IT GOES UP TO $9 A MONTH. THAT IS FREAKING INVALUABLE. YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND. WHENEVER SOMEBODY HAS A HEALTH PROBLEM RIGHT NOW IN THE HOSPITALIST CITY OF GARLAND, THEIR ONLY OPTIONS ARE TO CONTACT THEIR DOCTOR OR GO TO AN EMERGENCY ROOM, OR GO TO A STANDALONE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE BEEN TO A STANDALONE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT. THEY CHARGE THE SAME PRICE AS THE E.R. AND IN THIS HEALTHCARE SYSTEM THAT WE'VE CHOSEN TO HAVE PRESENT FOR US, THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY. IT'S WHAT WE'VE ALL CHOSEN. IT'S WHAT WE CHOSE IN OUR CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC, AND IT'S WHAT WE GOT. I HOPE THAT CHANGES. BEING ABLE TO ACCESS A DOCTOR OR A PHYSICIAN ASSISTANT OR A NURSE PRACTITIONER, WHICH ARE CALLED ADVANCED PRACTICE OR, EXCUSE ME, ADVANCED PRACTICE PROVIDERS, THEY FUNCTION MOSTLY OR AT THE LEVEL OF PHYSICIAN FOR JUST ABOUT ANY COMPLAINT. THAT'S GOING TO BE USEFUL FOR HAVING ACCESS TO THAT FOR $6 A MONTH IS INVALUABLE. I DON'T WANT TO SEE IT GO ANYWHERE. BY THE WAY, LIKE I SAID, I'M A PARAMEDIC. HAVING ACCESS TO THIS MAY KEEP AN AMBULANCE AVAILABLE FOR SOMEBODY WHO REALLY NEEDS IT. THE MAJORITY OF THE COMPLAINTS I SEE, EVERYBODY THINKS EMS IS LIKE THEY SEE ON TV LIGHTS, SIRENS, ACTION, PEOPLE SCREAM AND WHATNOT. IT'S NOT. IT'S ACTUALLY PRETTY ROUTINE. WHAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT IS HAVING AMBULANCES AVAILABLE FOR WHEN YOUR MOM HAS THAT STROKE, OR YOUR DAD HAS A COUPLE BEERS AND FALL AND SMOKES HIS HEAD, OR WHEN YOUR CHILD BREAKS THEIR ARM HAVING AN EMS UNIT AVAILABLE TO TRANSPORT THEM TO THE HOSPITAL. IF THIS SAVES JUST A COUPLE LIVES BECAUSE

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IT'S THE PRE VOTE IN AUGUST THAT THE TIME BETWEEN MARCH, THE WORK SESSIONS AND THE AUGUST VOTE. I HAVE A MARKETING COMMUNICATIONS BACKGROUND AND TRULY UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF COMMUNICATING, ESPECIALLY WITH A TOPIC OF THIS LEVEL WHEN WHEN YOU ROLL OUT A PROGRAM OF THIS MAGNITUDE AND YOU'RE GOING TO ADD A HEALTH CARE CHARGE TO A UTILITY BILL, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE CONFUSED, AND THERE'S STILL A LOT OF CONFUSION OUT THERE. AND I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WHAT, MANY OF YOU WHAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT WELL, WE'VE HAD THE MEETING MINUTES POSTED. BUT LIKE YOU GUYS, WE'RE ALL VERY WE'RE ALL VERY BUSY AND WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO PROACTIVELY GO OUT THERE AND SEARCH FOR THINGS. AS A COMMUNICATIONS PROFESSIONAL, I WENT BACK AND LOOKED BECAUSE I REALLY DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS UNTIL A COUPLE OF DAYS WHEN MR. HEDRICK POSTED ON SOCIAL MEDIA THAT HE WAS LOOKING FOR INSIGHTS. SO I SCRAMBLED TO EDUCATE MYSELF, AND I'VE REACHED OUT TO SEVERAL OF YOU. I HAD EMAILED ALL OF YOU THE DAY OF THE VOTE WITH MY QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS. BUT I THINK WHERE WE'RE GETTING HUNG UP IS THE CITY'S OVERALL COMMUNICATIONS LIKE TALKING POINTS, FAQS, AND MONTHLY UPDATES TELLING US NOT ABOUT WHAT THE LAUNCH, HOW YOU OPT IN.

I MEAN, THAT'S INCLUDED, BUT HIGH LEVEL. HERE'S AN UPDATE ON WHERE WE ARE CURRENTLY. HEY, MANY OF YOU THOUGHT WE ACTUALLY VOTED ON THE THE PROGRAM IN AUGUST, WHICH YOU DID, BUT WE'VE HAD A NEW EVENT WITH THIS ORDINANCE THAT REQUIRES AMENDING. SO WE JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING NEXT. WE'LL BE VOTING ON THIS WITHIN A COUPLE OF MONTHS. BUT JUST GENERAL HIGH LEVEL COMMUNICATIONS UPDATES. I THINK IF THAT HAD HAPPENED, WE WOULD HAVE A LOT LESS CONFUSION HERE. AND I DO UNDERSTAND THAT ALL OF YOU HAVE DIFFERENT COMMUNICATION STYLES AND TOWN HALLS IN MY DISTRICT. MR. BASS, WE DISCUSSED THIS IN AUGUST BECAUSE I COULDN'T FIND A TOWN HALL FOR THE BOND. I HAD TO GO TO MR. HENDRICKS TO LEARN ABOUT IT. ALTHOUGH HE GRACIOUSLY OFFERED TO COMMUNICATE, TO COORDINATE SOMETHING FOR MY COMMUNITY THAT DOESN'T HAVE AN HOA. BUT I THINK IF YOU COULD JUST HEAR US AT A HIGH LEVEL ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF UPDATES, JUST OVERALL ON WHAT'S GOI ON. BUT AT THIS POINT I'D ASK YOU TO WRAP UP, AND THAT'S WHY. THANK YOU. DEVIATING FROM MY FROM MY SPEECH, I, I'M ENCOURAGING YOU TO VOTE NO ON TO AMEND THE ORDINANCE. AND LET'S START OVER AND REGROUP.

I'M NOT AGAINST THIS PROGRAM. I UNDERSTAND THE HIGH COST OF HEALTH CARE. I'M LUCKY TO HAVE INSURANCE, AND I DO VALUE THE THE OPINIONS OF THOSE WHO HAVE SPOKEN FOR IT BECAUSE I FEEL THEIR PAIN. I HAVE BEEN AT A POINT UNEMPLOYED WITH NO INSURANCE. BUT THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU MA'AM AND I SEE NO QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. MADAM SECRETARY, WOULD YOU

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6509 FALLBROOK DRIVE, GARLAND, TEXAS. AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, I DON'T BELIEVE IN THE MACHIAVELLIAN CONCEPT OF THE END JUSTIFIES THE MEANS. HOW YOU DO SOMETHING IS JUST AS IMPORTANT AS THE END RESULT, MAYBE MORE SO. FOR ME, IT'S NEVER BEEN ABOUT THE TELEHEALTH SERVICE. I USE MY TELEHEALTH ALL THE TIME. FOR ME, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT THE AUTOMATIC OPT IN ASPECT OF MD HEALTH PATHWAYS. I BELIEVE WE HAVE MANY ELDERLY CITIZENS. THEY WERE ALL MANY OF THEM WERE HERE TONIGHT THAT WHO ARE NOT AS CONNECTED AS THEY USED TO BE, WHO WILL NEVER KNOW. THEY HAVE BEEN SIGNED UP FOR THIS PROGRAM UNTIL THEY DISCOVER THEY CAN ONLY AFFORD MEDICINE OR FOOD, BUT NOT BOTH. THAT IS NOT HYPERBOLE. THAT IS A REALITY FOR MANY SENIORS LIVING ON FIXED INCOMES. HERE'S WHAT'S NEVER REALLY MADE SENSE TO ME, AND I WANT TO BRING THE EMOTION DOWN AND USE A LITTLE LOGIC. I KEEP HEARING THAT THE CITY AND THE VENDOR WILL DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO CONTACT EVERY RESIDENT, TO NOTIFY THEM ABOUT THIS PROGRAM. IF THAT IS TRUE, THEN WHY NOT SIMPLY ASK RESIDENTS TO SIGN UP WHEN YOU CONTACT THEM INSTEAD OF FORCE ENROLLING THEM? HOW DOES THIS PROGRAM SUDDENLY BECOME MORE EXPENSIVE WHEN EVERYONE IS ALREADY BEING CONTACTED ANYWAY? WHERE ARE THE ADDITIONAL COSTS INVOLVED IN GIVING CITIZENS A CHOICE? IF THIS WERE OPT IN, THE CITY WOULD NEVER EVEN KNOW MY NAME AND I REALLY COULDN'T CARE LESS WHAT ANOTHER ADULT PURCHASES. THERE'S ONE MORE CRITICAL POINT AND THANKS TO BRIAN ENGLAND, HE BROUGHT IT UP. THE CITY IS NOT LOCKED INTO THIS CONTRACT. YOU CAN CANCEL THIS AGREEMENT IMMEDIATELY FOR ANY REASON OR NO REASON AT ALL WITHOUT PENALTY. THE CONTRACT ITSELF ALLOWS THIS. HERE IS THE EXACT LANGUAGE OF THE AGREEMENT.

SECTION 6.1 A EITHER PARTY MAY CANCEL THIS AGREEMENT WITHOUT PENALTY UP TO 30 DAYS PRIOR TO THE LAUNCH DATE, MEANING YOU CAN DO IT RIGHT NOW AND A PROGRAM LAUNCH DATE HAS NOT BEEN SET THAT HAS TO BE SET IN WRITING BY BOTH PARTIES ACCORDING TO THE CONTRACT.

BECAUSE OF THIS, THE AGREEMENT CAN BE CANCELED. RIGHT NOW I HAVE A COPY OF THE CONTRACT.

MANY ARE STILL CONFUSED. I RECOMMEND YOU READ IT. SO I'M ASKING YOU TO DO THE RIGHT THING. CANCEL THIS CONTRACT AND RENEGOTIATE AN OPT IN MODEL. YOU'RE ALREADY CONTACTING EVERYONE IN THE CITY. JUST GIVE THEM A CHOICE. ALL THIS GOES AWAY, I GO AWAY, THEY GO AWAY.

WE'RE ALL HAPPY. SO REALLY PROTECT OUR ELDERLY CITIZENS. THEY BUILT THIS CITY AND THEY DESERVE TRANSPARENCY, CONSENT AND DIGNITY. YOU DISRESPECTING THEM? AND I'M NOT OKAY WITH THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. MADAM SECRETARY, HOW MANY MORE SPEAKERS DO WE HAVE? WE HAVE ONE MORE. MR. ENGLUND HAS A COMMENT. MR. MAYOR, WE HAVE THREE SPEAKER CARDS THAT WERE SUBMITTED AFTER THE MEETING. START AND COUNT PER COUNCIL POLICY. THEY HAVE TO SUBMIT IT PRIOR TO THE MEETING. HOWEVER, COUNCIL, BY A VOTE OF A MAJORITY VOTE, COULD CHOOSE TO WAIVE THAT PARTICULAR POLICY TO ALLOW THE LAST THREE. IF THAT WAS COUNCIL'S WISH. LET'S.

LET'S I THINK WE GOT THOSE. THESE ARE THREE THAT WEREN'T FOR. WELL, SUMMER. YEAH IT'S HER ALRIGHT. THIS WILL BE OUR LAST SPEAKER BEFORE WE RECESS TO OUR NEXT MEETING. SO MA'AM, IF YOU HAVE NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. OKAY. IT IS SUMMER WASSIF AND 2014 BROOK TREE DRIVE, DISTRICT ONE. OUR CITY IS DIVIDED AND IT HAS BECOME AN EMBARRASSMENT. THE MD HEALTH PATHWAY SITUATION HAS TURNED INTO A POLITICAL POWER STRUGGLE.

A GAME OF THRONES. I AM HERE TO RESPECTFULLY ASK ONE, TWO, OR ALL OF YOU TO RECONSIDER THIS ISSUE. YOU HAVE THE POWER TO REBUILD THE TRUST WITH YOUR CONSTITUENTS, THE POWER TO LEAD WITH INTEGRITY, AND THE POWER TO MAKE OUR CITY WHOLE AGAIN. SO WHAT IS STOPPING YOU? IT IS OBVIOUS TO RESIDENTS THAT THE FORMER CITY MANAGER PREVENTED YOU FROM SURVEYING THE COMMUNITY, AND WITHHELD CRITICAL INFORMATION NEEDED TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION. IT'S ALSO OBVIOUS THAT EACH OF YOU HAS INTERPRETED THE CONTRACT DIFFERENTLY. MISTAKES HAPPEN

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MEANWHILE, THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTS OPPOSING THIS PROGRAM CONTINUES TO GROW. YET SOME OF YOU STILL CLAIM IT'S JUST A HANDFUL ON SOCIAL MEDIA. TO TEST THAT, I CREATED A POLL IN THE GARLAND FACEBOOK GROUP OF 64,000 MEMBERS, AND I ASKED A SIMPLE QUESTION. I SAID, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THE CITY ENROLLING YOU IN A TELEHEALTH PROGRAM, CHARGING YOU $6 A MONTH? 40 PEOPLE SAID, YES, 377 PEOPLE SAID NO, AND 18 PEOPLE SAID THEY HAD NEVER HEARD OF MD HEALTH PATHWAYS. IMPORTANTLY, 84 OF THE NO VOTERS SAID THEY WOULD SUPPORT THE PROGRAM IF IT WERE VOLUNTARY. I'M ONE OF THOSE. WHEN WILL YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THOSE OF US WHO DON'T WANT TO BE FORCED INTO THIS, WHEN WILL YOU RECOGNIZE THAT THE MAJORITY DO NOT WANT THIS AND RESPECT THAT DECISION? THE CITIZENS OF GARLAND ARE FRUSTRATED BECAUSE THIS PROGRAM WAS FORCED ON US. THERE'S NO REALISTIC WAY EVERY HOUSEHOLD WILL BE INFORMED IN TIME TO OPT OUT BEFORE BEING CHARGED. I STRONGLY URGE YOU TO VOTE AGAINST ADDING THIS FEE TO OUR UTILITY BILL, OR AT THE VERY LEAST, RENEGOTIATE THIS CONTRACT. IN THE MEANTIME, IT WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE AND TRANSPARENT FOR YOU TO ISSUE A CLEAR, UNIFORM STATEMENT TO THE RESIDENTS OF GARLAND EXPLAINING WHY YOU BELIEVE THIS ACTION WAS NECESSARY. ADDITIONALLY, PLEASE STOP PROMOTING THIS PROGRAM WITHOUT INFORMING HOMEOWNERS THAT THEY WILL SOON BE CHARGED FOR IT. RESIDENTS, SERVE UP YOUR THREE MINUTES. RESIDENTS DESERVE FULL DISCLOSURE AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THEIR OWN DECISIONS. AND MAYOR, I JUST WANT TO ADD, I'M NOT OKAY WITH SOME OF OUR CITIZENS IN GARLAND BEING EXPLOITED TO COME IN HERE AND SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE PROGRAM. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. WE FOUND ONE MORE CARD THAT WAS SIGNED UP. BEFORE WE CAN GET THAT PERSON OUT UNTIL WE RECONVENE, IF YOU'D LIKE, WE'LL RECONVENE WITH THAT PERSON FIRST IN THE QUEUE. THEN AT 653, WE ARE IN RECESS. WE WILL RECESS UNTIL AFTER OUR REGULAR S HERE. ALRIGHT. WELCOME BACK GARLAND. WE ARE NOW BACK IN OUR WORK SESSION. IF I COULD HAVE QUIET IN THE ROOM, PLEASE EXCUSE ME. EXCUSE ME. WE'RE BACK IN OUR WORK SESSION. WE'LL CONTINUE NOW WITH OUR FIRST SPEAKER. WE HAD ONE SPEAKER REMAINING FROM OUR LAST. OUR LAST SPEAKERS. AND IF. MADAM SECRETARY, IF YOU'D PLEASE CALL THAT SPEAKER. MR. MAYOR. YES, SIR. THE CLEANING CREW CAME IN HERE AND COLLECTED ALL OF Y'ALL'S MATERIALS AND COLLECTED SPEAKER CARDS THAT WERE OVER HERE. THAT'S ONE SPEAKER. IF SHE IS HERE, WE KNOW IT WAS A FEMALE THAT HAD PUT IN A SPEAKER CARD BEFORE THE MEETING STARTED, BUT WE DON'T HAVE IT PRESENT. BUT WE KNOW THAT THERE WAS A FEMALE THAT DID. IF SHE'S HERE, THEN SHE WOULD BE THE SPEAKER. I'M NOT SURE IF SHE'S STILL HERE. WE DO HAVE THREE SPEAKER CARDS THAT WERE TURNED IN AFTER THE MEETING STARTED, AND THAT'S GOING TO, IF COUNCIL DESIRES TO HEAR FROM THEM, THAT THEY HAVE TO WAIVE THEIR CURRENT POLICIES. THE CURRENT POLICY SAYS THAT IF THEY DON'T GET IT TURNED IN BEFORE THE MEETING, THEN THEY'RE NOT TO BE HEARD. SO IF THE COUNCIL DESIRES TO DO THAT, THEY NEED TO WAIVE THAT POLICY. WE'LL RAISE THAT ONE SPEAKER WHO SIGNED UP IN THE ROOM HERE TO SPEAK. I DON'T SEE ANYONE. SO COUNCIL, OUR COUNCIL POLICY IS TO NOT ALLOW SPEAKERS WHO TURN INTO CARD AFTER THE START OF THE WORK SESSION. I'M GOING TO PUT THE VOTE TO THE CITY COUNCIL CONSENSUS. THUMBS UP OR THUMBS DOWN IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO. SPEAKERS. IF YOU'D LIKE TO HEAR THOSE SPEAKERS, PLEASE VOTE IN THE AFFIRMATIVE NOW. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THEM, PLEASE VOTE. ONE. ALL RIGHT,

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NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. AND WHICH ITEM ARE YOU DO YOU WISH TO ADDRESS ON OUR WORK SESSION? SO ERIC GREER 210 TREVOR LANE HERE IN GARLAND. AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MD HEALTH PATHWAY. VERY GOOD SIR I HAVE QUESTIONS. JUST THREE QUESTIONS FOR YOU GUYS. AND I'VE BEEN SITTING HERE LISTENING. SO. YOU'VE STATED THAT IT'S TOO COSTLY TO DIRECTLY NOTIFY THE RESIDENTS ABOUT MD HEALTH PATHWAYS. THAT THE RESIDENTS WILL SEE AN ADDED COST TO THEIR BILLS. WE'LL SEE PER OWNER. RIGHT. BECAUSE IT HASN'T HAPPENED YET. THEY WILL SEE IT. CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW THE CITY JUSTIFIED NOT INFORMING THE RESIDENTS DIRECTLY DUE TO COST, BUT STILL FOUND IT ACCEPTABLE TO PASS NEW COSTS ONTO THEM? I'LL CHECK MY MAILBOXES. THAT'S THE FIRST THING I DO WHEN I GET HOME. IT'S NOT ABOUT GOING TO MY PHONE OR GOING TO THE CITY WEBSITE. ONE THING I DO, I GO STRAIGHT TO MY MAILBOX TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY INFORMATION, IMPORTANT INFORMATION THAT I NEED TO BE FOLLOWING UP ON. SO I THANK THE CITY RESIDENTS. SHOULD HAVE HAD A LETTER. THIS IS WHAT I THINK, NOT WHAT I FEEL. I THINK THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE HAD A LETTER FROM THE CITY THAT WAS SENT TO THEM VERSUS EXPECTING THEM TO, HEY, YOU SHOULD LOOK ONLINE. EVERYBODY'S NOT ONLINE. MY WIFE IS NOT ONLINE. YOU KNOW, SHE DOESN'T HAVE SOCIAL MEDIA. SHE DOESN'T CARE FOR IT. EVERYBODY DOESN'T CHECK THEIR BILLS. BUT WHAT WE DO, WE CHECK OUR MAILBOXES. WE CHECK OUR MAILBOXES. SO THAT WAS AN OPTION. TO ME. SECRECY IS STILL HIDING. WHEN THE 90 DAYS IS UP. AS FAR AS WHEN IT STARTS, THE PROGRAM STARTS. THERE'S NO REFUND AFTER THAT. AND EVERYONE DOES NOT HAVE ACCESS TO IT. IT'S ONLY GOING TO GO OUT TO 10,000 PEOPLE FOR OWNER. SO HOW IS THAT DETERMINED? WHAT 10,000 PEOPLE ACTUALLY GET A CHANCE TO ACTUALLY DO THE PILOT PROGRAM? NEXT QUESTION. IF YOU WANT TO WRITE IT DOWN. GO AHEAD. WHAT IS THIS? AS A I SAY, A PILOT PROGRAM ACTS AS A LIVE TEST, ENGAGING REAL USERS AND PROCESSES TO GATHER DATA, INSIGHTS TO INFORM A LARGE LAUNCH. I'VE BEEN IN A PILOT MOVIE. I'VE BEEN IN A PILOT SHOW. I'VE DONE PILOT PROGRAMS WITH MY OWN BUSINESS. IT MAKES IT CRUCIAL, MAKES IT A CRUCIAL PHASE WITHIN THE OVERALL IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGY, NOT TO SEPARATE FROM IT. BUT ONLY 10,000 RESIDENTS. THAT'S 22% OF GARLAND RESIDENTS ARE UNDER INSURED OR DON'T HAVE INSURANCE.

ONLY 22%. NOT THE 40% IS 22%. MY QUESTION IS THIS WHAT IS THAT? BENCHMARK YOUR THREE MINUTES. I'M GONNA HAVE TO SUM UP. OKAY, WHAT EXACT BENCHMARK SAFEGUARDS AND WHICH IS A QUESTION THAT DIDN'T GET ANSWERED EARLIER, WHAT EXACT BENCHMARK SAFEGUARDS AND SUCCESS METRICS ARE YOU REQUIRING? ARE WE REQUIRING BEFORE FULLY APPROVING OR CONTINUING THIS PROGRAM? AND WHAT HAPPENS IF THE BENCHMARKS ARE NOT MET? THAT'S MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU SIR. I SEE NO QUESTIONS. MADAM SECRETARY, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL OUR NEXT SPEAKER, CARL SMITH? I GET TO PICK THE CHAIR. ALL THE MICROPHONES ARE ON. YOU PICK WHICH ONE YOU WANT. ALL RIGHT. IT'S ALREADY WARMED UP FOR ME. SO MY NAME IS CARL SMITH, 2216 RIDGE OAK DRIVE. AS THOUGH WE ALL DIDN'T ALREADY KNOW THAT. YOU'VE HEARD MOSTLY WHAT I HAD TO SAY TONIGHT, SO I'LL JUST GO FROM THERE. IF YOU JUDGE FROM TONIGHT, YOU WOULD. YOU WOULD

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I'M APPALLED BY IT. LARS, ARE YOUR THE IMPLICATION THAT YOU'RE TOO STUPID TO BE UP THERE? YOU JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND. IT'S KIND OF RUN THE GAMUT. AND IT'S JUST IT'S IT'S QUITE HONESTLY, IT'S EMBARRASSING. AND YLL SHOULD BE EMBARRASSED. YOU MAY NOT BE, BUT YOU SHOULD BE. SO ANYWAY, YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD EVERYTHING ELSE I HAD TO SAY, SO I'M DONE.

APPRECIATE IT. ANY ONE QUESTION, SIR? COUNCILMEMBER BASS THANK YOU CARL, I APPRECIATE YOU COMING HERE TONIGHT. AND I WANT TO ADDRESS SOMETHING. YEAH, I DID CALL SOMEBODY A LIAR BECAUSE THEY WERE THEY THEY SAID A LIE. I DON'T APPRECIATE HAVING MY NAME. ANYBODY ELSE'S NAME. DRUGS THROUGH THE MUD, DRUGS THROUGH THE MUD. YOU KNOW. AND WHEN YOU COME AND SPEAK AT PUBLIC COMMENTS, PER STATE LAW, WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO SAY ANYTHING. YOU COME IN HERE AND TALK IN A WORK SESSION THAN WE ARE. OKAY. SO YES, I'M GOING TO DEFEND MYSELF. WHEN I WAS ELECTED, I DID NOT LOSE MY FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT. ESSENTIALLY, I DID NOT THINK I DON'T THINK SHE CALLED YOU. SHE MISSPOKE, I THINK I DON'T BELIEVE THAT SHE ACTUALLY LIED OR MEANT TO LIE. THAT'S YOUR OPINION TO SAY THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR, TO OUTRIGHT SAY SOMEBODY. YOU'RE A LIAR. THAT'S THAT'S INAPPROPRIATE FOR A CITY COUNCILMAN. ALRIGHT. I SEE NO

[ CONSIDER THE CONSENT AGENDA]

[1. Clean-up Amendment to Garland Development Code Section 32.04]

[2. Abandonment of a Slope Easement in the Proposed Overlook Subdivision]

[3. Pending Items List - City Council Committees and Future Work Sessions]

[4. Introduction of Lilly Clarke, Managing Director]

[5. Holford Soccer Complex]

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AND YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THIS THIS PROJECT WAS APPROVED FOR EIGHT SOCCER FIELDS. THERE WAS A FACILITY HERE THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN UTILIZED FOR TRAINING WITH THE DALLAS ATHLETICO PARTNERSHIP. THAT DIDN'T COME TO FRUITION, AND IT SHOWED AT THE TIME, THE THE PARKING OVER HERE ON THIS LEFT HAND SIDE. AND SO I'LL JUST BY WAY OF COMPARISON. SO UP HERE ON THIS TOP PIECE THERE'S ABOUT A THIS DASHED LINE THAT'S RIGHT HERE IS KIND OF A IT'S THE PROPERTY LINE BETWEEN WHAT THIS PARCEL WAS AND THE SPRING CREEK RESERVE. AND SO HERE YOU'VE GOT ALL OF THIS PARKING ON THIS SIDE, APPROXIMATELY 75FT HERE, 103FT HERE, ABOUT 339FT HERE FROM THAT PROPERTY LINE. SO THE NEXT EVOLUTION, WHEN WE PARTED WAYS AND, AND IT BECAME KNOWN AS YOU'RE AWARE, THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL AND STAFF RECEIVED A LOT OF PHONE CALLS, A LOT OF FEEDBACK FROM SOCCER CLUBS AND OTHER PRIVATE GROUPS THAT WERE INTERESTED IN SEEING THIS PROJECT GO FORWARD. THEIR FEEDBACK, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE ENGINEER'S TEAM, GENERATED A SITE PLAN THAT YOU'LL SEE HERE. AND SO AGAIN, POINTING OUT THE DIFFERENCE HERE IS 75FT IS THE SAME HERE AND ABOUT A 30 FOOT DIFFERENCE HERE, CLOSER TO THE PROXIMITY OF THIS PROPERTY LINE. AND SOME OF THAT. I'LL KIND OF SUMMARIZE SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT THAT WE WERE SEEING AND HEARING FROM THE SOCCER CLUBS WAS IT'S A LOT OF PARKING ON THIS SIDE TO BE BRINGING ALL THE KIDS AND THEIR GEAR AND THEIR STUFF ACROSS HERE. SO A VARIETY OF OTHER FEEDBACK WE TALKED THROUGH. YOU MIGHT RECALL ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WAS THERE'S AN ORDINANCE RELATED TO DEVELOPMENT ADJACENT TO THE SPRING CREEK PRESERVE THAT REQUIRES, IN A NUTSHELL, THAT THAT RUNOFF CANNOT INCREASE OR DECREASE BY MORE THAN 10%. AND SO THAT CREATED SOME INTERESTING CHALLENGES FOR THE ENGINEERS TO, TO TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY COULD DO THAT. SO A HANDFUL OF BENEFITS THAT COME WITH THIS UPDATED SITE PLAN MAKES THE DRAINAGE A LITTLE BIT EASIER FOR THEM TO SOLVE THAT CONUNDRUM. SO YOU'VE GOT, INSTEAD OF ALL OF THE PARKING ON THAT SIDE OF IMPERVIOUS COVER AND ALL OF THAT POINT SOURCE POLLUTION COMING OFF OF THERE, THAT WAS EASIER FOR THEM TO SOLVE THAT BY PUTTING THE SOCCER FIELDS ON THAT SIDE IMPROVES THE WATER QUALITY. AND IT MADE THE THE PARKING A LOT MORE DISTRIBUTED AND EASIER TO GET TO AROUND THIS. AND I'LL SHOW YOU THE UPDATED SITE PLAN IN COLOR HERE IN A SECOND. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC AND PARKING MADE IT MUCH SIMPLER.

SO I'LL GO THROUGH THIS A LITTLE BIT. THIS IS THE THE UPDATED SITE PLAN IN COLOR.

THAT'S A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO SEE. AND THIS IS THE BUFFER THAT MR. PARRISH WAS TALKING ABOUT. AND SO WE DID TALK AND MEET WITH WITH HIM AND MANY REPRESENTATIVES FROM THEIR BOARD, NOT ALL OF THEM, BUT A GOOD A GOOD AMOUNT THAT WERE AVAILABLE. AND THE PLAN ON THIS SIDE IS TO THERE ARE SOME INVASIVE SPECIES AND UNDESIRABLE SPECIES NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE ECOSYSTEM THAT MR. PARRISH IS A STEWARD FOR. AND SO WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM TO REMOVE THE INVASIVES AND REPLACE THOSE WITH WITH. AS HE WAS TALKING ABOUT, LARGE CANOPY TREES, UNDERSTORY TREES, SHRUBS, FORBS, GRASSES THAT ARE MORE COMPATIBLE AND SEAMLESSLY, YOU KNOW, CREATE THAT ENHANCED BUFFER ZONE. SO KIND OF JUST GOING THROUGH SOME OF THE OTHER SITE PLAN CONSIDERATIONS HERE, THIS, THIS, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THE DIMENSIONS FOR THIS PRIVATE COMMERCIAL AREA THAT WELL, PRIVATE THAT THE CITY OWNS, THAT IS GOING TO BE AVAILABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP. THIS DIMENSION IS A LITTLE BIT BETTER FOR THE LOTS ARE A LITTLE BIT DEEPER, A LITTLE BIT MORE CONDUCIVE FOR SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TARGETING, WHETHER THAT BE HOTELS, POSSIBLY CONVENTION, HOTEL, RESTAURANTS, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS WILL FIT BETTER ON THIS SITE. PARKING IS A LITTLE BETTER DISTRIBUTED THROUGH HERE.

I'LL GO THROUGH THESE KIND OF QUICKLY. THERE'S A BUS DROP OFF RIGHT HERE. WE HAVE FOOD TRUCK AREA WITH HOOKUPS HERE. WE HAVE A TOTAL OF 748 PARKING SPACES. AND SO THE PARKING THAT WOULD BE ON THIS SIDE AND THERE'S A RESTROOM FACILITY HERE WOULD SERVE JUST THESE TWO FIELDS, THE REST OF THE PARKING AND THE CONCESSION AREA HERE WOULD SERVE THE OTHER SIX. THIS FACILITY HERE ALSO WOULD HAVE BASIC RESTROOM LOCKER CONCESSION AREAS THAT ARE THAT THE TENANT WOULD ULTIMATELY FINISH OUT. SO WE'RE MANAGING COSTS BY KEEPING THAT PRETTY PRETTY SIMPLE ON THE INSIDE. YOU'VE GOT YOU'LL NOTICE YOU'VE GOT FOUR NATURAL FIELDS AND YOU'VE GOT FOUR SYNTHETIC. THAT'S KIND OF AN IDEAL COMBINATION BETWEEN PLAYABILITY AND AND DEALING WITH WEATHER. THERE'S A LITTLE HARD TO SEE. BUT RIGHT HERE WHERE MY CURSOR

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AL RIGHT. WE'LL START WITH UNCIL MEMBER BASS. THANK YOU ANDY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT. THANK YOU. OKAY. QUESTION. WHAT IS THE WHAT IS THE SURFACE BETWEEN THE SYNTHETIC FIELDS GOING HORIZONTALLY ON THE PICTURE THERE. YEAH. WHAT IS THAT. WHAT IS ALL OF THAT. IS THAT A DRIVEWAY. CAN YOU DRIVE. RIGHT. SO THIS IS KIND OF A KIND OF A ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENT WHERE IT'S A, A PEDESTRIAN PROMENADE THAT WOULD HAVE SOME OVERHEAD FEATURES THAT WOULD INCORPORATE LIGHTING AND JUST ARCHITECTURAL INTEREST SO THAT IT'S NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, WALL TO WALL. I'M LOOKING AT THE LOOKING AT THE CONNECTIVITY OF THE PARKING LOTS. SO THE ONE THAT'S TO THE BETWEEN THE SYNTHETIC FIELD AND THE FUTURE COMMERCIAL IS THAT PARKING LOT ACCESSIBLE FROM ANYWHERE OTHER THAN THE SERVICE ROAD. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS ONE HERE. YEAH. YEAH. SO SO THERE'S GOING TO THIS IS INTENDED TO BE A SHARED ROAD OKAY. BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND HERE. SO SO WHEN YOU'RE IN THIS PARKING LOT YOU CAN GET ON TO THIS ROAD. YOU CAN GET OUT HERE AND GET OUT DOWN HERE. YOU CAN GET OUT OVER HERE ONTO HOLFORD. SO OKAY COOL I WAS LOOKING AT THE PARKING CONNECTIVITY BECAUSE WHAT I'M PICTURING IS YEAH AT 750 PARKING SPACES. BUT OF COURSE WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING AROUND LOOKING FOR ONE YOU NEED TO GET TO IT TOO. SO AWESOME. I'M GLAD THAT DOES HAVE CONNECTIVITY. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAD. THANK YOU SIR. MAYOR PRO TEM LUCK. SO WITH THIS NEW PLAN, I'M JUST REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT STUFF PUSHING ONTO THE PRESERVE. AND I'M I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT MORE NEGATIVE IMPACT TO SPRING CREEK FOREST PRESERVE. LIGHTING. JUST PEOPLE IN THAT AREA, MORE PEOPLE AND I DON'T IT'S IT'S IT'S REALLY BOTHERING ME CONSIDERING ALL THAT'S BEEN GOING ON THERE. DO YOU HAVE A BUDGET SLIDE? I DID NOT I DID NOT AND I IF YOU DON'T MIND PRO TEM I FAILED TO MENTION IT. THIS CONNECTION HERE THAT MR. PARRISH TALKED ABOUT CAN BE REMOVED. SO THAT WAY THERE'S A SIDEWALK CONNECTION THAT WOULD GET YOU TO HERE. WE WOULD PROBABLY NEED TO MAKE SOME INTERNAL SIDEWALK ADDITIONS SO THAT WE'RE NOT PUTTING PEOPLE IN TRAFFIC LANES TO GET THEM TO HERE. BUT IF THE IF THE SPRING CREEK SOCIETY IS NOT AMENABLE TO THIS, THERE'S NO MAGIC TO HAVING THAT THERE OTHER THAN IT'S THE SHORTEST DISTANCE BETWEEN TWO POINTS. SO IF THAT IF THEY FIND THAT TO BE BOTHERSOME THAT THAT CAN BE REMOVED. AND THEN THE CONNECTION REMAINS ON THE SIDEWALK ON HOLFORD. YEAH. AND I KNOW YOU'RE WORKING DILIGENTLY WITH THE, WITH THAT GROUP TO ENSURE THAT, YOU KNOW.

THAT THE PRESERVE IS MAINTAINED IN ITS CURRENT STATE. I JUST THIS ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT REALLY AFFECTS THAT PRESERVE. AND LIKE I SAID, IT'S IT'S REALLY WORRYING ME THAT IT'S KIND OF ENCROACHING THAT WAY. WHAT WHAT PART OF THE FUNDING FOR THIS PROJECT COULD BE USED TOWARD TARGETED NEIGHBORHOOD IMPROVEMENTS, LIKE THOSE WE'RE DISCUSSING WITH CVB? I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M PREPARED TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION JUST YET. THIS THE FUNDING FOR THIS IS HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED AND ALLOCATED, SO I'D PROBABLY HAVE TO PROBABLY HAVE TO ANALYZE THAT A LITTLE BIT. IT'S MAYBE MATT CAN HELP WITH A LITTLE BIT WITH THIS ONE. BUT THE 20 WHAT IS IT 25 MILLION THAT'S ALLOCATED FOR THE FIELDS. AND THEN THERE'S SEPARATE MONEY THAT'S ALLOCATED FOR THE ROADS. HOLFORD AND NEIMAN. RIGHT. SO THOSE WOULD HAVE TO BE PUT TOWARDS ROADS AND AND DRAINAGE I UNDERSTAND THAT. AND AS FAR AS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUNDING FOR CVB TYPE PROJECTS WHERE YOU'RE LOOKING TO DO PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT, THAT WOULD ALL HAVE TO COME THROUGH AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROPOSITION. OF COURSE, WE DID GO THROUGH THAT IN 2025, AND THAT'S WHAT THAT'S DEDICATED FOR. BUT AS FAR AS GETTING MORE MONEY FOR THAT, REALLY IT WOULD ONLY BE A CASH RESOURCE WITHOUT GOING BACK TO THE VOTERS AT THIS POINT. SO NO PORTION OF THE FUNDING FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT WOULD BE ABLE TO USE

[02:15:07]

CORRECT. WHICH IS WHERE THAT MOST OF THAT WOULD COME IN, BUT WE COULD USE IT FOR ALL PUBLIC PURPOSE. SO THINK SIDEWALKS, ROADWAYS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. BUT AS FAR AS DOING SOMETHING ON A PRIVATE ENTITIES SPACE, INCLUDING HOUSING, WE WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE VOTERS FOR THAT. BUT WE COULD USE IT FOR INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS. YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MA'AM. COUNCILMEMBER THOMAS. YES. SO THE THE THE FIELDS I'M LOOKING AT THE THE CONCERN THAT I, THAT I HEARD AT MY NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MEETING THIS LAST SUNDAY NIGHT WAS, YOU KNOW, WE WE GOT MORE FIELDS ON THIS SIDE. BUT THOSE ARE NATURAL FIELDS. SO THE VERSUS A PARKING LOT IN THOSE TWO SPOTS. SO THE RUNOFF TO THE TO THE FOREST IS DECREASED BY THAT EVEN THOUGH THE DISTANCE IS ABOUT THE SAME BECAUSE THE RUNOFF OF THAT CONCRETE PARKING LOT WOULD BE A LOT MORE FOR US TO DEAL WITH. IS THAT. THAT'S CORRECT. AND I THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION BECAUSE I GLOSSED OVER IT KIND OF QUICKLY. SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THE ENGINEERS WERE HAVING IS, IS THAT WATER IS BEING PUSHED INTO THIS IMPERVIOUS COVER. THE OTHER CHALLENGE IS, IS THAT WE CAN'T CONVEY THAT WATER IN A CONCENTRATED, CHANNELIZED FASHION. IT NEEDS TO STAY SPREAD OUT LIKE NATURAL RAINFALL. THAT BECOMES VERY, VERY DIFFICULT IN THIS SHORT PERIOD OF OF RUN THAT WE HAVE. SO WHEN YOU'VE GOT THAT EXTRA NATURAL GRASS AREA, THAT'S A WHOLE LOT MORE PERVIOUS COVER THAT THAT CAN SOAK IN AND BE MANAGED AS NATURAL SHEET FLOW. SO THAT WAS AND IT'S AND IT'S ALSO A, YOU KNOW, A CLEANER SITUATION THAN THAT. MUCH MORE PARKING OKAY. AND THEN BACK TO THE SLIDE 3 OR 4. SO THE PARKING LOT THAT IS HERE THAT'S JUST PLANNED FOR CONCRETE PARKING. I MEAN, IS THERE ANY WAY TO MAKE THAT ONE OF THESE, I DON'T KNOW, IMPERVIOUS OR PERVIOUS? YES, SIR. FLOAT WHERE THE WATER CAN FLOW THROUGH THAT PARKING LOT. IF IF IT'S PAVERS, FOR EXAMPLE, RATHER THAN CONCRETE, DOES THAT ALSO HELP ALLEVIATE THE PROBLEM IN THIS SCENARIO? MY UNDERSTANDING IS, IS THAT THAT CONCERN IS NO LONGER NECESSARY BECAUSE OF THE ADDITION OF THE TWO GRASS FIELDS THAT THAT THERE'S PROS AND CONS TO THAT TYPE OF PARKING. WE DON'T USE IT A LOT.

IT COMES WITH SOME SOME MAINTENANCE CHALLENGES AND OTHER THINGS. SO IT DOESN'T GENERALLY STAY WHERE YOU PUT IT. SO AT THIS POINT IT'S NOT AS STUFF. BUT THAT WAS THAT WAS A QUESTION I WAS ASKED. I WANTED TO BRING THAT UP. YES, SIR. WE'VE CONSIDERED THAT WE DID WITH WITH THE TWO GRASS FIELDS HERE AND GREATLY MINIMIZES THE PROBLEM OF RUNOFF. YES, SIR. IT WOULDN'T CHANGE WHAT'S GOING TO INTO THE PRESERVE FROM WHAT IT IS TODAY. WITHIN A, SAY, 10%? YES, SIR. AS THIS CURRENT SITE PLAN STANDS, THE ENGINEERING TEAM HAS IT WITHIN THE PARAMETERS THAT ARE REQUIRED. OKAY. AND SO THE BOND MONEY FROM 2019 IS FOR HOLFORD ROAD AND NAAMAN FOREST. YES. AND SO. AND SO WHAT WE'RE WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE IS WHAT WE'RE REALLY PLANNING ON FOR SURE. AND THE FROM EXTENDING FROM HOLFORD ON TO THE WEST, OR IF THIS MAP WAS FACING NORTH AND SOUTH GOING CONNECTING NAAMAN FOREST TO THE PIECE OF IT THAT GOES ALL THE WAY TO CAMPBELL, THAT'S STILL AN ALTERNATE OPTION BASED ON WHAT THE BID COMES IN, I BELIEVE. IS THAT SO? THE ALTERNATE WOULD BE FOR THIS NAAMAN FOREST EXTENSION GOING PLAN NORTH. HOLFORD GOING TOWARDS CAMPBELL. YES THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. I HAD TO THINK CAMPBELL FOR A SECOND. YES, SIR. UP TOWARDS THE APARTMENT COMPLEX IS WHERE IT TERMINATES RIGHT NOW. YES THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY, OKAY. AND SO THAT'S STILL THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER WAY FOR TRAFFIC TO FLOW IN AND OUT OF THERE BECAUSE THERE'S CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC.

BUT WE COULD GET THAT PIECE DONE AT THE SAME TIME. THAT WOULD BE THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER WAY TO KIND OF EASE CONGESTION AS FAR AS GETTING IN AND OUT OF THESE SOCCER FIELDS. SO I'D LIKE TO I'D LIKE TO SEE US SQUEEZE THAT OUT SOMEHOW, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE. BUT I GET IT.

WE GOT TO SEE WHERE THE WHERE THE BID COMES IN. WE'VE GOT 25.9 TO WORK WITH, I BELIEVE.

AND AND SO WE'VE GOT TO SEE WHERE THAT COMES IN. SO SIR. OKAY. VERY GOOD. THAT'S MY THAT'S MY THOUGHTS HERE. THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU SIR. AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE PERVIOUS PAVEMENT, OUR USGS TYPE C AND D SOILS HERE, THE SILTY CLAYS AND THE PLACE IT DOESN'T SOAK IN. WE DON'T HAVE SOILS LIKE ON THE EAST COAST WHERE IT WOULD JUST POUR WATER

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THE LIGHTING CHANGES THAT THERE WILL BE WITH THE FIELDS VERSUS A PARKING LOT. SORRY, MY COMPUTER JUST DECIDED TO GLITCH OUT ON ME. APOLOGIES. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE THE LIGHTING THAT'S BEING PROPOSED ON THE SOCCER FIELDS, RIGHT? SO ONCE THEY'RE ON THE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF NAAMAN FOREST BOULEVARD. RIGHT. SO THE TYPE OF LIGHTING THAT WE LIKE TO STANDARDIZE ON IS AN LED FIXTURE THAT IS SPECIFICALLY THE LEADER IN THE INDUSTRY FOR SPILL AND GLARE CONTROL. AND SO IT THE IDEA IS TO PUT THE LIGHT WHERE YOU WANT IT, NOT WHERE YOU DON'T. AND SO IT MEANS THAT THE POLES ARE TALL ENOUGH TO WHICH SEEMS A LITTLE BIT CONTRARY, BUT THAT GIVES YOU THE ABILITY TO CONTROL THE LIGHT IN A DOWNWARD FASHION. AND THE HOODS ON THE FIXTURES KEEP IT FROM BECOMING OFF SITE. AND SO BEING ABLE TO CONTROL THAT LIGHT ON, ON THE FIELD ITSELF IS IMPORTANT TO US. ALWAYS HAS BEEN IN ANY OF OUR FIELDS, BUT PARTICULARLY IN THIS CASE, SO THAT THAT TECHNOLOGY IS THE SPECIFICATION WE PREFER ON ON OUR SPORTS FIELD. AWESOME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? ANY LET ME SAY AFTER SPENDING ALL SATURDAY, SUNDAY AND MONDAY MORNING AT TOYOTA SOCCER COMPLEX WHERE MY GIRLS WERE IN THE OUTLAW CUP, I THINK THIS IS A FANTASTIC DESIGN BECAUSE I'VE BEEN TO MANY, MANY SOCCER FIELDS WITH MY DAUGHTERS, BOTH PLAYING SOCCER AND HAVING THE PARKING INTERSPERSED BETWEEN THAT. THAT HELPS OUT TREMENDOUSLY WITH DRAGGING THE ALL THE EQUIPMENT TO THE FIELD. THE PLAZA THERE I THINK IS GREAT. A PLAYGROUND, A KID'S PLAYGROUND. COUNCIL YOU DON'T KNOW HOW GREAT TO HAVE THAT IS WITH A FOUR YEAR OLD WHO DOESN'T PLAY SOCCER. YOU GOT TO ENTERTAIN THEM. ALSO, WHILE YOU'RE OUT ON THE SOCCER COMPLEX. I LIKE THE FUTSAL COURSE THERE. I THINK THAT'S THAT WILL PROGRAM ALL THE TIME AS WELL. THERE'S PLENTY OF FOOTBALL LEAGUES AROUND. OVERALL, I THINK IT'S A GREAT AND I PROVIDED YOU SOME COMMENTS AS WELL THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DISCUSS SEPARATELY. BUT OVERALL COUNCIL I THINK THIS IS FAR BETTER. THE NATURAL TURF FIELDS NEXT TO THE PRESERVE, THOSE RUNOFF RESTRICTIONS ARE VERY, VERY STRICT IN THIS AREA THAT I'VE TAKEN A LOOK AT. AND JUST HAVING THAT NATURAL SURFACES NEXT TO THE PRESERVE, I THINK IT'S FAR BETTER DESIGN AND CERTAINLY LESS PEOPLE CROSSING THE BUSY NAAMAN FOREST THERE WITH THE OTHER PARKING AVAILABLE. I THINK THAT'S SAFER FOR PEDESTRIANS TOO. SO ALL AROUND, I THINK IT'S A VERY, VERY GOOD MAYBE A FEW TWEAKS HERE AND THERE, BUT I THINK WE'RE DEFINITELY HEADING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. SO MAYOR PRO TEM LUCK, YOU'RE IN AGAIN. I'M SORRY TO GO IN AGAIN. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE HAVE TO USE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUNDS ON 190. I FEEL LIKE THAT AREA WILL DEVELOP ITSELF EVENTUALLY. AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY. IF WE ARE FACING SUCH A HUGE OPERATIONAL BUDGET SHORTFALL AND I JUST, I, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THE TIMING OF WHY WE HAVE TO DO THIS RIGHT NOW. AND CAN WE NOT WAIT FOR NOVEMBER AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS SO THAT WE CAN MAKE BETTER DECISIONS? SPENDING THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY? I WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO KIND OF PUMP THE BRAKES ON THIS PROJECT RIGHT NOW, AND THEN WAIT UNTIL NEXT YEAR TO REALLY SEE HOW IT FITS IN WITH OUR CIP AT THAT TIME? SO MAYOR PRO TEM, FIRST, I'D SAY THAT OPERATIONALLY, WE HAVE AN RFQ OUT RIGHT NOW THAT WE WON'T TAKE THE OPERATIONAL EXPENSE ON

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AND WHEN THE FUTURE COMMERCIAL COMES UP, WE'LL BE EVEN MORE MONEY TO GO AND PUT IN OTHER PLACES ALONG THAT TIF ZONE AS WELL. I UNDERSTAND I'M JUST I'M, I DON'T KNOW, SOMETHING FEELS UNEASY TO ME ABOUT IT AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO EXPLAIN IT. I'VE WE'VE JUST BEEN THROUGH SO MUCH IN THIS AREA WITH SOCCER IN GENERAL FOR, FOR YEARS AND THEN WITH THE WHOLE THING WITH ATHLETICO. AND I FEEL LIKE WE KIND OF I FEEL LIKE THE OUTCOME OF THAT WAS PROBABLY THE BEST SITUATION WE COULD HAVE COME OUT OF IT WITH. AND I, I DON'T KNOW, CAN WE DO SOMETHING BIGGER AND BETTER THERE? CAN WE DO SOMETHING THAT WILL? BE BETTER? I DURING THE USE, AS YOU KNOW, WITH THAT I UNDERSTAND. BUT WHEN I CERTAINLY DIFFICULT TO DO. YES SIR. I, I JUST WHEN I THINK OF RECREATION AND SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE USED FOR RECREATION, I THINK OF LIKE A PARK FOR WITH ALL KINDS OF THINGS FOR PEOPLE NOT JUST FOCUSED ON YOUTH SOCCER, WHERE IT'S OPERATED BY A THIRD PARTY, AND ONLY THESE YOUTH SOCCER TEAMS CAN PLAY THERE. AND I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A NEED FOR IT, BUT IS THAT GOING TO GET US LIKE THE REALLY AMAZING HOTEL THAT WE SHOULD HAVE THERE, OR IS THAT JUST GOING TO ATTRACT LIKE A MID-LEVEL HOTEL? BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE PARENTS STAY. AND I, I JUST, I WONDER IF, BECAUSE WE HAVE TRIED SO HARD TO GET THIS AREA LIKE DEVELOPED IN A PARTICULAR WAY, THAT THIS IS ALMOST A. LIKE A, AN AFTERTHOUGHT WHERE WE'RE NOT GETTING THE BEST FROM WHAT WE CAN AT ON 190, IT'S ON 190. AND I'VE, I'VE, I KNOW I'VE HEARD YOUR STORIES ABOUT TRAVELING OUT OF TOWN, AND I KNOW THAT THAT WILL BRING FAMILIES HERE TO PLAY. BUT SHOULDN'T THIS LAND BE FOR MORE THAN JUST FAMILIES PLAYING YOUTH SOCCER, CLUB SOCCER? WELL YOU'RE THAT.

I THINK WE HAVE MANY OTHER COMPLEXES ACROSS THE CITY. WE INCLUDE A NEW BOB DAY TENNIS FACILITY THAT WILL BE OPEN UP VERY SOON. THIS SUMMER WE HAVE A SKATE PARK THAT OPENED UP A COUPLE YEARS AGO, SO WE ARE CERTAINLY CATERING TO MANY DIFFERENT INTERESTS AS WELL IN ALL OF OUR NEW REC CENTERS. AS YOU KNOW, PLACES TO PLAY AND, AND ALL THAT. SO I THINK THIS CERTAINLY FURTHERS OUR ECONOMIC GOALS OF TRYING TO DRIVE DEVELOPMENT, DRIVE INCREASED TAX REVENUE. AND I THINK HAVING WITH THE RESTRICTIONS IN PLACE NOW THOSE RESTRICTIONS ARE GONE, WE MIGHT HAVE A WHOLE DIFFERENT CONVERSATION. BUT I THINK THAT REALLY TIES OUR HANDS ON IT. I THINK CERTAINLY, GIVEN THAT, I THINK STILL THINK THIS IS THE BEST USE FOR THAT AREA. I MEAN, CLEARLY STAFF WILL WILL EXECUTE WHATEVER COUNCIL'S DESIRE IS. I THINK JUST ANECDOTALLY, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE FACE IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENTS IS WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF LARGE TRACTS. THOSE TRACKS WE HAVE, AS EVERYBODY KNOWS, ARE CHALLENGING TO DEVELOP. THIS TRACT IN A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT CONFIGURATION, HAD BEEN ON THE MARKET FOR QUITE SOME TIME, AND I THINK AT THE TIME, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE WOULD PROBABLY EXPECT WOULD BE IF IT HAS A HOTEL, IT'S PROBABLY A TWO STAR. MAYBE AN APPLEBEE'S, MAYBE A TACO CASA, QUITE FRANKLY, THIS PROJECT, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, RIGHT OR WRONG IN ANYBODY'S OPINION, HAS GENERATED A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF INTEREST IN THAT COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.

AND SO WHETHER THAT WOULD BE A CONVENTION HOTEL, WHICH WOULD BE AN ENORMOUS SITUATION FOR US, AND HIGHER END DINING CHOICES, THOSE THINGS WILL WILL VET THEMSELVES OUT WHEN IT BECOMES TIME TO DO AN RFQ FOR THAT COMMERCIAL TRACT. BUT BUT EVERYONE THAT WE'VE TALKED TO AT EVERY LEVEL OF INTEREST, THE TRAFFIC THAT THE SOCCER GENERATES, WHATEVER SPORT GOES THERE IS WHAT HAS THEIR ATTENTION, WHEREAS IT WAS NOT THERE BEFORE. SO AS A NONSCIENTIFIC APPROACH, THAT'S WHAT I'M WE'RE HEARING IN THE, IN THE OUR DAILY WORK. I SHOULD HAVE SHARED SOME PICTURES FROM THE FRISCO'S WHERE I WAS THIS THIS WHOLE WEEKEND. AND YOU COULD NOT GET A PARKING SPOT IN THERE. THERE WERE SO MANY KIDS AND PARENTS AND EVERYWHERE FOR A TOURNAMENT FROM TEAMS FROM TYLER AND HOUSTON AND OKLAHOMA ALL IN THIS TOURNAMENT. SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN HAVE THE SAME SUCCESS AT THIS PLACE AS WELL. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, MA'AM? OKAY. COUNCILMEMBER DUTTON, DO WE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT? THE TAX REVENUE THAT WE

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AND AND REALLY WE NEED TO FIND OUT WHAT DEVELOPMENT WAS GOING THERE. WE DID HAVE A STUDY DONE BY HUNTING PARTNERS THAT DID A FEASIBILITY STUDY ON ON THE CONCEPT OF ATHLETICS FACILITY BEING THERE. BUT I WOULD I WOULD HONESTLY SAY THAT THOSE NUMBERS PROBABLY AREN'T ADEQUATE ANYMORE UNTIL WE CAN GET A PARTNER ON BOARD WITH WHAT'S COMING IN HERE. BUT WE WOULD DEFINITELY BE DOING TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE BRINGING IN THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE. LIKE, HOW DOES SOMETHING LIKE THIS GENERATE REVENUE FOR US? LIKE. WHERE WE'RE MAKING SOMETHING OFF OF IT? PRIMARILY THE PROPERTY TAX, AS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, PROJECT SIZE, OVER 100 MILLION WOULD BE IDEAL. THE CITY IS LOOKING TO USE PUBLIC DOLLARS, PUBLIC DOLLARS FOR A PUBLIC PURPOSE LIKE THIS. IT'S ALL ABOUT TRAFFIC. WE WANT TO DRIVE TRAFFIC INTO THIS AREA, TO BE USED AT THE SITES THAT YOU SEE ON THAT SCREEN AT THE TARGET, THAT'S THE NEARBY AT THE CHICK FIL A. THAT'S THE INTENTION. TYPICALLY, WHEN YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS. I. IT'S A LITTLE CONCERNING THAT TARGET AND CHICK FIL A ARE OUR BIGGEST, MOST EXCITING THINGS IN THAT AREA. LIKE HOW I'M I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT LIKE WHAT REALLY IS GOING TO BE OUR ROI ON THIS. RIGHT. LIKE BECAUSE PROPERTY TAX BUT WE OWN IT. SO ARE WE GOING TO SELL IT? I MEAN, HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET PROPERTY TAX FROM THAT? WE OWN IT. WE'RE NOT PAYING OURSELVES PROPERTY TAX. SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS PUTTING MONEY INTO SOMETHING THAT, I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE MONEY RIGHT NOW. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE MONEY HAS ALREADY BEEN ALLOTTED, HOWEVER. THERE'S IT'S NOT LIKE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE COMING TO PLAY SOCCER HERE AND THEN DRIVE TO DOWNTOWN GARLAND. AND IF THEY ARE, YOU BETTER GET HERE BEFORE 8 A.M. OR 8 P.M. BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE CLOSED. SO IT'S KIND OF ONE OF THOSE LIKE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING HERE. I DON'T SEE THEM PUTTING MONEY INTO GARLAND.

I CAN SEE THEM HOPPING ON 190 AND GOING UP TO PLANO. RIGHT? I MEAN THAT THAT'S MY CONCERN. I DON'T THINK THAT THAT AREA IS GOT ANYTHING WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO WANT TO STAY IN THAT AREA AND SPEND THEIR MONEY. IF I MAY. I'D FUNDAMENTALLY DISAGREE WITH THAT, BECAUSE, AGAIN, GIVEN MY EXPERIENCE OF SOCCER, GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. MCKINNEY HAS SOME FIELDS WE GO TO. WELL, I'M UP IN MCKINNEY. I RAN TO DOWNTOWN MCKINNEY, WENT TO THE ICE HOUSE BEFORE. HERE WE HAVE STRIKING RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. IF THERE WAS TWO HOURS BETWEEN GAMES, I'D LOVE TO RUN OVER TO STRIKE AND AND WARM UP LIKE IT WAS 21 DEGREES ON SATURDAY MORNING, AND I WAS BETWEEN GAMES AND LOVE TO HAVE A PLACE TO GO AND JUST TAKE THE KIDS AND LET THEM PLAY VIDEO GAMES OR SOMETHING IN THAT PLACE. SO I THINK GARLAND HAS PLENTY TO OFFER AROUND THIS AREA. THERE'S FIREWHEEL MALL, THOSE PEOPLE WILL RUN DOWN TO FIREWHEEL MALL AND HOPEFULLY SPEND SOME MONEY THERE AS WELL. SO BEING ALONG THIS CORRIDOR IS THE BEST THING IT COULD BE FOR IT, I BELIEVE. AND TO CLARIFY THAT, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION, IS THE PROPERTY VALUES I WAS REFERRING TO IS STRICTLY ON THIS 14 ACRES COMMERCIAL. SO SO THERE WOULD BE SOME KIND OF PARTNERSHIP SIMILAR TO WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE. SO THANK YOU.

COUNCILMEMBER MORE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY CONCERNS AS IT RELATES TO THE PROJECT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF WE HAVE WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY FOR QUITE SOME TIME NOW, AND THERE ARE ALL THE TIME, IN FACT, THAT WE REALLY FELT THAT THE SOCCER COMPLEX WAS SOMETHING THAT WOULD REALLY BRING BUSINESS TO THE CITY.

WHEN I THINK ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I AM. IS THAT FROM AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PERSPECTIVE, WE'RE TRYING TO SPEND MONEY IN SUCH A FASHION THAT WE WILL MAKE IT A DESTINATION LOCATION. BUT TRYING TO SPREAD THAT AROUND

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SO I'M LISTENING FOR HIM TO KIND OF TELL ME, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHY HE TRULY FEELS THAT THIS IS A PROJECT THAT WILL TRULY HELP THAT AREA. I SAY ALL THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO BE COMING TO COUNCIL HERE SOON ABOUT THE HARBOR POINT AREA.

AND I JUST I'M CONCERNED THAT WE SPEND ALL OF THIS MONEY ON THE RENDITIONS. I'VE SAID HERE, AND I'LL LISTEN TO US AFTER WE GOT THROUGH WITH THE PROFESSIONAL TEAMS. WE SAT HERE AND WE LISTENED TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE COME IN AND TALK ABOUT. BUT THERE'S STILL EXCITEMENT.

THERE'S STILL ENTHUSIASM ABOUT THE SOCCER ASPECT OF THIS. AND AND SO HERE WE ARE. WE'RE WE'RE SEVERAL MONTHS NOW ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT, AS I LISTEN TONIGHT, FOR EXAMPLE, TO THE FOREST PRESERVE PERSON, I HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE BUFFER THERE. BUT WHEN ASKED A QUESTION, WOULD THAT REALLY BE DETRIMENTAL TO THAT AREA? HE SAID, NO, NOT REALLY. AND SO WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, I'M READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT, BECAUSE FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE THE FUNDS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN ALLOCATED FOR WE HAVE THE IDEA, WE HAVE THE THOUGHT.

EVERYTHING THAT WE NEED IS HERE. AND I HEAR WHAT THE QUESTION NOW BECOMES, CAN WE DO SOMETHING ELSE WITH IT? YEAH, PROBABLY A LOT OF THINGS WE CAN DO WITH IT. BUT TIMING WISE, IS THAT SOMETHING WE REALLY WANT TO DEAL WITH AFTER SPENDING ALL THIS MONEY AND ALL THIS TIME WITH IT, I DON'T HEAR ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE BETTER THAN WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED. AND SO I DON'T REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH GOING FORWARD WITH WHAT I SEE HERE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

THANK YOU, SIR. COUNCILMEMBER BASS, THANK YOU. I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP ABOUT ROI, BUT, YOU KNOW, EVERY PROJECT WE TAKE ON IN THIS CITY, WE DON'T NECESSARILY LOOK AT THE ROI. I MEAN, ANYBODY IN THIS ROOM, RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU'VE EVER GOTTEN ANY ROI FROM A PARK IN YOUR DISTRICT. WE CHARGE AN ADMISSIONS TO OUR PARKS. NO, TO OUR LIBRARIES. HAVE ANY ROI? NO. WE PROVIDE SERVICES. AND SOMEBODY DID USE THE WORD DESTINATION. AND THAT'S WHAT I'VE ALWAYS USED ABOUT THE GEORGE BUSH CORRIDOR. AND NO, THIS IS NOT IN MY DISTRICT. THIS IS A SMALL A SMALL PART OF THE GEORGE BUSH CORRIDOR THAT'S NOT IN DISTRICT ONE. BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M VERY I'M VERY PROTECTIVE OF THIS CORRIDOR.

AND I LOOK AT THIS HOUR, GEORGE BUSH CORRIDOR AS WHERE OUR DESTINATIONS NEED TO BE. AND THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T SEE A LOT OF THINGS COMING THROUGH HERE TO GO ALONG GEORGE BUSH CORRIDOR THAT ARE NOT DESTINATION RELATED. I CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING THAT'S MORE OF A DESTINATION THAN SOCCER FIELDS FOR YOUTH SOCCER. AND IT'S FUNNY, SOMEBODY MENTIONED CHICK FIL A. I HAVE A FRIEND WHO HAS A CHICK FIL A IN PLANO, AND DURING SOCCER SEASON, I MEAN,OU'RE YOU CAN KISS IT GOODBYE TRYING TO GET IN LINE THERE. IT'S JUST IT'S GOING TO BE A BOON TO THE AREA. YOU KNOW, THERE'S THERE'S EVERYTHING ALONG GEORGE BUSH FROM STRIKE AND RAIL ALL THE WAY DOWN TO FIREWHEEL. BUT ALSO IF YOU GO SOUTH ON HOLFORD, RIGHT HERE TO THE NEXT STREET, WHICH IS ARAPAHO, WHERE BUILDING A SWIG RIGHT NOW, BUILDING A CHIPOTLE RIGHT NOW. MCDONALD'S HAS JUST OPENED UP. DUTCH BROTHERS HAS JUST OPENED UP. WE WANT THOSE BUSINESSES TO STAY AND WE WANT TO ATTRACT MORE BUSINESSES LIKE THAT. SO IN ORDER TO ATTRACT THE BUSINESSES THAT WE WANT AND GET THE ESTHETIC AND THE FEEL AND THE THINGS THAT OTHER CITIES HAVE, WE HAVE TO HAVE PEOPLE TO GO TO THOSE BUSINESSES. AND BY ATTRACTING, YOU KNOW, AT 748 PARKING SPACES, IF THERE'S THREE PEOPLE IN A CAR, TWO PARENTS AND ONE KID, THAT'S OVER 2200 PEOPLE. WHEN THIS PARKING LOT IS FULL, 2200 PEOPLE LOOKING FOR A PLACE TO HAVE BREAKFAST, LOOKING FOR A PLACE TO KILL A COUPLE HOURS. LOOKING FOR A PLACE TO HAVE LUNCH. SO THERE'S GOING TO BE THERE'S GOING TO BE PLENTY OF POTENTIAL ROI HERE. AND THAT'S NOT EVEN MENTIONING THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS. SO MAN, I THINK THIS IS AN AMAZING, AMAZING THING. AND, YOU KNOW, FOR OUR STAFF TO BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT WE WERE ABLE TO USE FOR THIS PROTECTED RESTRICTED AREA, I THINK IS REALLY GOOD. SO YEAH, I'M EXCITED TO SEE WHAT'S COMING. YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEE A HOTEL AND A CONVENTION THERE, AND I THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEE SOME HIGH END RESTAURANTS GOING ALONG THE FRONTAGE ROAD THERE. SO I'M REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR.

COUNCILMEMBER THOMAS AND I WILL TACK ON TO THAT AND TO ADDRESS YOUR CONCERNS MORE. I BELIEVE

[02:40:02]

ONCE WE GET THE DIRT TURN IN HERE, THOSE GUYS ARE GOING TO BE BUYING THAT PROPERTY.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE FIGHTING FOR THAT PROPERTY. THAT'S MY VISION FOR IT. IS THAT AND THAT'S HOW I SELL TO TO MY CONSTITUENTS THERE ABOUT THAT DON'T CARE ABOUT SOCCER. AND I'M NO HUGE SOCCER FAN, BUT I'M A HUGE FAN FOR CATALYSTS FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. AND I THINK THIS IS A GREAT ONE, ONE THAT WOULD DO A GREAT PUSH TOWARD THAT IN DISTRICT SEVEN.

SO THAT'S WHY I'M FOR IT. THANK YOU. SIR. SIR, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM, MISTER MAYOR, I GUESS I'LL, AS COUNCIL MEMBERS, BASS AND THOMAS HAVE ALREADY SAID THEY THEY'VE MADE THE CASE FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. I AGREE WITH IT. AND THERE'S ALSO THE THE UNSPOKEN SECTION OF DISTRICT EIGHT, WHICH IS WINTERS PARK, THE THE SOCCER COMPLEX THAT'S OVER THERE IS IN NEED OF HELP AND BUT THEY ARE BUT BUT THE FIELDS ARE THERE AND THEY ARE VERY BUSY AS IS.

AND IN THE HANDS OF SOMEBODY WHO IS OPERATING IT TO ITS MAXIMUM POTENTIAL. IT'S GOING TO BE LIFTING. THAT'S IT'S GOING TO BE THE TIDE THAT LIFTS A LOT OF BOATS. WE HAVE. I THINK THIS IS A VERY GOOD OPPORTUNITY. I DO UNDERSTAND THE SENSITIVITY WITH THE ADJACENT SPRING CREEK PRESERVE, BUT I BELIEVE THAT THERE THAT, THAT THAT WITH THEIR STEADY HAND IN THIS, THAT WE CAN FIND SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO ACTUALLY BE SOMETHING THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S GOING TO SATISFY THEM. AND IN THE END, I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO FIND THAT THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE, PEOPLE THAT ARE INTO SPORTS, THEY'RE INTO OUTDOOR THINGS, AND YOU'RE GOING TO FIND A LOT OF NATURALISTS THAT ARE ALSO GOING TO ENJOY THAT, THAT PRESERVE AS WELL. SO THERE'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, USAGE OF THE PRESERVE USE AND THE OBVIOUS TREMENDOUS IMPROVEMENT IN PUBLIC AMENITIES THAT GOES THROUGH HERE. THE TRAILS, THE IMPROVEMENT IN THE ROADS, JUST EVERYTHING. I JUST I SEE, I SEE VERY LITTLE DOWNSIDE, IF ANY.

SO I DO LOOK FORWARD TO THIS COMING THROUGH SOON. THANK YOU SIR. MAYOR PRO TEM LUCK. YOU'RE IN THE QUEUE AGAIN, MA'AM. ANDY, WILL YOU PROMISE THAT YOU'LL WORK WITH SPRING CREEK TO IDENTIFY ANY IMPACTS THAT THEY FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE WITH AND AND MAKE SURE THAT THOSE CONCERNS ARE ADDRESSED? I MEAN, THAT IS PARAMOUNT TO TO ANY OF THE OTHER QUESTIONS I HAD. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT IS GOING ON THERE. ABSOLUTELY. AND WE HAVE BEEN ALREADY WE ONCE WE KIND OF WENT DOWN THIS ROAD, WE MET WITH THEM IMMEDIATELY AND TALKED THROUGH IT. WE TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THEIR CONCERNS. AS A FELLOW TREE HUGGER AND PLANT NERD, I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT IS THEY WANT TO HAVE PLANTED. THEY'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE

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MR. PARISH, YOU KNOW, AS A PARK BOARD CHAIR AND FOR AS LONG AS I KNOW, I KNOW I SERVED WITH HIM. WE STARTED AT THE SAME TIME. THAT'S RIGHT. AND SO WE WE WE'RE WE GOT IT. WE'RE GOING TO DO EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN AND, AND, AND I THINK OUR DESIGN TEAM UNDERSTANDS IT TOO, THAT THIS ISN'T GOING TO BE A TYPICAL. DEVELOPED PLANTING TYPE PARK. THIS IS GOING TO BE MORE OF A BUFFER THAT MATCHES THE ADJACENT ECOSYSTEM. AND SO THAT THAT IS PART OF THE DIRECTION WE'VE GIVEN THEM. AND THEN ON THAT FUTURE COMMERCIAL, THOSE TWO PLOTS, WE OWN THAT LAND SO WE CAN DECIDE WHAT GOES THERE. AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING LOWER THAN A 3.5 STAR FULL SERVICE HOTEL PUT ON THAT LAND, I'M GOING TO BLOW UP FOR REAL. UNDERSTOOD. I WANT THE BEST THERE AND WE DESERVE IT. AND AND AGAIN, THAT'S WHY I FEEL LIKE THIS SYNERGY TAKE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IT ENDS UP BEING. I THINK THAT WE'RE JUST AT A CROSSROADS WHERE, YOU KNOW, OPPORTUNITY IS MEETING THE ABILITY TO DO SOMETHING THAT, THAT, THAT WHERE ONE PLUS ONE EQUALS THREE. WE PUT THIS TOGETHER. WE THINK THAT THAT ELEVATES THE, THE, THE, THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT OF THAT. AND I THINK THE CHALLENGE IS, IS THAT IT'S WE GET DRIP, DRIP, DRIP. WE GET TO DO ONE HERE. WE'LL DO SOME ALL OTHER DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY.

AND EVENTUALLY THE WHOLE CITY LOOKS ELEVATED, BUT WE ARE ABLE TO TREAT THEM ONLY ONE AT A TIME IN EACH SITE. SO WE FEEL LIKE WE UNDERSTAND THE MISSION TO MAKE BOTH AS AS GREAT AS POSSIBLE. OKAY, WELL IT'S RECORDED. THANK YOU. GOT IT. THANK YOU, MA'AM. AND MR. PARISH LIVES IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND REMINDS ME EVERY SUNDAY MORNING AT CHURCH WHEN I SEE HIM OF THE SAME THING. SO WE'LL BE PRESENTING TO PARK BOARD IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS. YES. YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. I SEE NO ONE ELSE IN THE QUEUE. SO, COUNCIL, I THINK WE WANT TO TAKE A CONSENSUS ON MOVING AHEAD WITH THIS SITE PLAN AS REVISED HERE AS WE'VE SEEN IT. THAT IS UNANIMOUS. ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. IS THAT WHAT YOU WANTED? YES. OKAY. WE'LL MOVE

[6. Discussion of 2026 Proposed Capital Improvement Program (CIP)]

ALISON, YOUR BIG MOMENT YOU'VE BEEN WAITING ALL NIGHT FOR. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, IF YOU GIVE ME ONE SECOND TO GET THIS PULLED UP, WE CAN CONTINUE OUR DISCUSSION OF THE 2026 PROPOSED CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. SO FIRST, JUST A COUPLE OF UPDATES ON RESPONSE TO QUESTIONS FROM. WE RECEIVED SOME FROM COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS AS WELL AS OUR SATURDAY WORKSHOP. THESE ARE IN PROGRESS WITH STAFF. AND SO WE WILL BE DELIVERING THIS TO ALL MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL THIS WEEK. AND ONCE THEY ARE AVAILABLE, WE WILL ALSO POST THEM ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE, AS WE HAVE DONE IN PRIOR PRACTICE UNDER THE BUDGET AND RESEARCH PAGE. WE CAN ALSO FIND THIS YEAR'S DOCUMENT AND THE PRESENTATIONS TO DATE IN FRONT OF YOU. IN ADDITION TO THIS, A COPY OF THIS PRESENTATION IS THE UPDATED STREREETS 2025 BOND PROGRAM LIST FOR 2026. TONY AND HIS TEAM HAVE WORKED WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS TO MAKE SELECT UPDATES TO THIS LIST BASED ON FEEDBACK. SO ON FEBRUARY 2ND, BEFORE WE ASK THE CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE ANY ACTION RELATED TO THE 26 CIP, WE'LL PRESENT THE PROPOSED FUNDING CHANGES ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE LISTS. BUT WE WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND GET THE LIST OUT IN FRONT OF YOU THIS EVENING. AND WE DO HAVE STAFF AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. WE DO HAVE FACILITIES AVAILABLE AND WE WILL BE GOING THROUGH SOME SLIDES RELATED TO THE EXISTING FACILITY IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAM AND THE BOXING GYM, FCA PROPOSED PROJECT. AND THEN FINALLY, WE'LL REVIEW THE CALENDAR AND OPEN IT UP TO JUST ANY GENERAL DISCUSSION OR OR QUESTION. SO I WILL PAUSE TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE FIRST TWO ITEMS ON THIS SLIDE BEFORE I INVITE FACILITIES UP. SO ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILMEMBER THOMAS, I GOT THE LIST. SO IT'S SORTED BY FUNCTIONAL CLASSIFICATION. I WAS TRYING TO IS THAT. YES, SIR.

THIS LIST IS SORTED BY FUNCTIONAL CLASSIFICATION. THE ONE THAT WAS IN THE BACK OF YOUR DOCUMENT WAS SORTED BY OVERARCHING PROGRAM THAT THE PROJECT IS FUNDED BY. WE ARE WORKING ON TRANSLATING THE STREETS LIST INTO THE, I GUESS, THE CIP FUNDING MECHANISM. SO

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CORRECT. OKAY. BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS IS THE PROJECT NUMBER. SO WHEN SOMEONE CALLS ME AND SAY, WELL, WHAT PROJECT NUMBER 2020 6-7- SOMETHING. YES. SO SO ALL OF THAT'S STILL TO COME. ASSUMING. AND THIS IS THE FINAL STREET PLAN FOR FOR YEAR ONE. YES. YES THAT IS CORRECT. THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING OKAY. THANK YOU ALLISON. THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU SIR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THOSE TWO ITEMS? SEEING NONE. PLEASE CONTINUE. MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TO VISIT FURTHER ABOUT THE FACILITY. CIP HAVE SEVERAL PIECES OF INFORMATION THAT WE WANT TO SHARE, AND IT'S MOSTLY AS A FOLLOW UP TO THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE POSED TO US AND THAT WE WANTED TO FOLLOW UP ON FROM THE SATURDAY WORK SESSION RELATED TO THE THE CIP. SO FIRST WE'LL DIVE INTO THE THE POLICE BOXING GYM. AND THIS INTRODUCTORY SLIDE SHOWS FOUR OPTIONS THAT WE WILL GO OVER. THE FIRST SLIDE THAT I WILL GO OVER IS IN RELATED TO KEEPING THE FCA PROJECT AS PROPOSED. SO AGAIN COUNCIL, THIS IS THE $2 MILLION GOING BACK INTO THE THE BOXING GYM. AND THIS IS WHAT IS PROPOSED IN THE BUDGET. NOW THAT $2 MILLION WILL BE IN ASBESTOS REMEDIATION, ADDRESS ELECTRICAL ISSUES. AND WHEN WE SAY ELECTRICAL ISSUES THAT IS REPLACING ELECTRICAL PANELS. IT'S REWIRING THE BUILDING AND REPLACING LIGHTING WITHIN THE BUILDING, ADDRESSING PLUMBING ISSUES. SO THERE IS A PLUMBING LINE FAILURE THAT IS TAKING PLACE IN THE BUILDING. AND THAT WOULD BE ADDRESSED. AND THIS WOULD ALSO BE EITHER A REPAIR OR REPLACEMENT OF THE ROOF. AND THEN IT WOULD BE A PHASED APPROACH TO COME BACK AND ASK COUNCIL, AFTER THIS, $2 MILLION IS EXPENDED FOR THE NEXT STEP FOR A FULL INTERIOR RENOVATION. THAT'S OPTION ONE. OPTION TWO WOULD BE, AS WE DISCUSSED AT THE THE WORKSHOP, MCKINSTRY PROVIDED FOR A AN ESTIMATED COST OF 6 TO $8 MILLION TO RENOVATE THE BUILDING IN ITS ENTIRETY. WHAT THIS WOULD REQUIRE WOULD BE WITHIN THAT 6 TO $8 MILLION COST TO HIRE A AN ARCHITECT OR DESIGN FIRM TO COME IN AND ACTUALLY DESIGN THE NEXT STEPS FOR THIS PROJECT. AND SO THEY WOULD ACTUALLY DO THE PROGRAMING WHAT BATHROOMS AND SHOWERS WOULD LOOK LIKE, WHAT ENTRANCES WOULD LOOK LIKE, ENSURING WE'RE MEETING ADA COMPLIANCE. AND SO SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND WHEN YOU DO DO THAT PROFESSIONAL SERVICE WORK.

THERE IS A LEAD TIME THAT TAKES PLACE WITH THAT. AND IN VISITING WITH OUR FACILITIES AND PMO TEAM, THERE'S ABOUT A 6 TO 9 MONTH LEAD TIME THAT WOULD TAKE PLACE FOR THAT, SOMETHING THAT IS IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT WITH THIS OPTION, KNOWING THAT CONSTRUCTION WOULD TAKE PLACE AS RELATED TO THIS PROJECT BEING ABOUT A 6 TO 9 MONTH PROJECT AS WELL. THERE'S NO PLANS IN PLACE AT THIS POINT TO RELOCATE THE THE KIDS AT THE BOXING GYM OR THE PROGRAMS AT THIS TIME. SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE WOULD HAVE TO BUILD INTO TO ANY OPTION THAT WE WE COME UP WITH. KNOWING THAT THIS HAS THIS OPTION HAS DESIGN TIME, CONSTRUCTION TIME ASSOCIATED WITH IT. IT WOULD BE A SPREAD ACROSS MULTIPLE BUDGET YEARS. SO IT WOULD BE US COMING TO THE COUNCIL AND MULTIPLE YEARS ASKING FOR FUNDING FOR A COMPLETE PROJECT. OPTION NUMBER THREE IS ONE THAT STAFF WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND TO TO THE COUNCIL. AND I WILL DIVE INTO THIS A LITTLE FURTHER. SO WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THE $2 MILLION WITHIN THE CIP BUDGET FOR THE BOXING GYM. THIS WOULD ALLOW US TO ADDRESS ELECTRICAL, PLUMBING AND MAKE ROOF REPAIRS, NOT A REPLACEMENT OF THE OF THE ROOF. AND SO WHEN WE SAY ELECTRICAL REPAIRS THIS WOULD BE REPLACING ELECTRICAL PANEL THAT WAS DISCUSSED ON SATURDAY. THERE ARE LIGHT FIXTURES THAT NEED TO BE REPLACED. AND SO THOSE WOULD BE REPLACED. COUNCILMEMBER DUTTON HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT LIGHTS NOT BEING ABLE TO BE SHUT OFF, SO THIS WOULD REPAIR ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. IT WOULD ADDRESS THE PLUMBING ISSUES THAT ARE WITHIN THE BUILDING.

AND AGAIN, THIS WOULD BE A ROOF REPAIR. SO ESSENTIALLY PATCHING THE ROOF AND HOPEFULLY OPENING THE DOOR TO A NEXT LEVEL OF PROJECT. SO BASED ON ESTIMATES WE HAVE FOR THOSE REPAIRS, THAT'S $200,000 TO MAKE THOSE REPAIRS. WHAT WE WOULD ALSO DO AS WE MAKE THOSE REPAIRS WOULD ALSO BE ONBOARDING AN ARCHITECT TO HELP US WITH CONCEPTUAL DESIGNS FOR THE NEXT STEPS WITH THIS BUILDING. SO WHAT WE WOULD WANT TO ENSURE IS THAT 6 TO $8 MILLION IS WHAT WE ACTUALLY NEED FOR THE THE PROJECT FOR FOR IT GOING FORWARD. SO AND HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH THE

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THIS OPTION THREE ALLOWS US TO ADDRESS THOSE ELECTRICAL AND PLUMBING NEEDS NOW, AS WELL AS PATCH THE ROOF. IT ALLOWS US TO COME BACK WITH A CONCEPTUAL PLAN TO VISIT WITH THE COUNCIL.

ABOUT OF WHAT THE GYM COULD COULD BE, WHAT MORE ACCURATE PRICING WOULD BE FOR THE FUTURE OF IT, AND ALSO IT WOULD LOOK FOR A PARTNERSHIP OF FUNDING FOR NOT ONLY FOR THE CITY, BUT ALSO WITH THE BOXING GYM ON WHAT WE OPTION WE WOULD GO WITH. AND ALSO, JUST AS A REMINDER TO THE COUNCIL, THIS IS AN OPTION THAT WAS AGREED UPON AND RECOMMENDED FROM THE BOXING GYM THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH WITH THAT COUNCIL. I KNOW I WENT THROUGH THAT VERY, VERY QUICKLY, PROVIDED A LOT OF INFORMATION, BUT HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE ON THE BOXING GYM. WE HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS HERE. COUNCILMEMBER BASS, WE'LL START WITH YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION. OKAY. SO WE GOT OPTION THREES THE 200,000. I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT OPTION ONE COMPARED TO OPTION THREE. YES SIR. SO OKAY SO OPTION ONE USES THE MONEY NOW. SO. IT LOOKS LIKE JUST BASED ON THIS SLIDE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 1 AND 3 IS MERELY ASBESTOS ABATEMENT. IS THAT CORRECT. SO IT WOULD BE ASBESTOS ABATEMENT. BUT WITH AN OPTION THREE WE WOULD ALSO BE ONBOARDING THE ARCHITECT TO DO THE CONCEPTUAL DESIGNS WITH US. AND I APPRECIATE THE QUESTION. COUNCILMEMBER BASS, ONE THING THAT I FAILED TO MENTION IS WHATEVER IS NOT EXPENDED OF THAT $2 MILLION, WE WOULD ENSURE THAT THAT IS ROLLED OVER INTO THE PROJECT GOING FORWARD AS WE CONTINUE TO PROCEED WITH IT. WHAT I WANT TO LOOK AT ON OPTION ONE, BECAUSE OPTION ONE, OF COURSE, REQUIRES MORE WORK IN THE FUTURE AS WELL. SO IS THAT MONEY, YOU KNOW, IS THE MONEY WE PUT INTO OPTION ONE GOING TO BE SUNK? RIGHT. WOULD WE HOW MUCH OF THAT DO WE REALIZE THE BENEFIT OF IN THE FUTURE WITH THE REDESIGN? AND IF YOU GO WITH OPTION ONE, I'M NOT SURE IF. WELL, I'M GOING TO GUESS AS BEST AS ABATEMENT WOULD THAT, WOULD THAT, WOULD THAT TRIGGER ADA. SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO I'M NOT SURE. I KNOW OPTION THREE WOULDN'T TRIGGER ADA, BUT I THINK OPTION ONE WOULD WOULD WOULDN'T IT? I BELIEVE IT WOULD. OKAY. SO THEN YOU'RE SO THEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE THE WIDTH OF THE DOORWAYS AND HALLWAYS, THE, YOU KNOW, NO DEAD END HALLWAYS. I'M PRETTY SURE THERE'S PROBABLY A DEAD END HALLWAY IN THERE SOMEWHERE, YOU KNOW. ADA BATHROOMS. YEAH, THAT'S THE BIG ONE. ADA BATHROOMS. OKAY, SO AND THEN WHAT THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS IF WE PUT THAT MONEY INTO OPTION ONE, GETTING A COMPLIANCE WITH ADA, THAT'S GOING TO REALLY AFFECT ANY INTERIOR RENOVATION, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO PUT A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND INTO RESTROOMS. AND THEN IN TWO YEARS WE DESIGN SOMETHING AND THEY'RE IN THE WRONG PLACE. CORRECT. AND THAT'S ALSO A CHALLENGE WITH OPTION ONE AS IT RELATES TO THE ELECTRICAL WORK, WHERE THERE'S A STRONG POSSIBILITY IF WE REWIRE THE BUILDING WE'RE RIPPING OUT WITHIN A YEAR OR TWO WHAT WE'VE JUST PUT IN.

YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. BECAUSE I THINK. IT'S CRITICAL BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT WE DO HAVE FUTURE PLANS TO DO SOMETHING WITH THIS, WITH THIS FACILITY, THAT WE TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION NOW AS WELL. AND WE DON'T SPEND MONEY NOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO LOSE ALL THE BENEFIT OF IN THREE YEARS. YES, SIR. OKAY. YOU KNOW, I THINK WITH I THINK WITH THIS PRESENTATION I HAVE TO CONCUR AND AGREE WITH OPTION THREE. OKAY. THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU SIR. COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS. YES, SIR. THANK YOU MAYOR. OPTION THREE SIR, YOU SAID STAFF IS RECOMMENDED, RIGHT? YES, SIR. I SEE OPTION ONE ASBESTOS ABATEMENT. AND YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT TEARING OUT WALLS AND AND MAKING SOME CHANGES THERE. YOU ANSWERED THIS SATURDAY. SO HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DO THAT AND STILL DO THE ASBESTOS ABATEMENT? OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMS AND OPTION NUMBER THREE, WE WOULD NOT DISTURB THE WALLS OR THE FLOORS. WE WOULD NOT ABATE THE ASBESS AS PART OF OPTION NUMBER THREE. SOMETHING ELSE TO KEEP IN MIND WHEN WE DO ASBESTOS ABATEMENT, THERE'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE A PAUSE OR RELOCATION OF THE PROGRAM. I WOULD ANTICIPATE I'D HAVE TO TO TO LEAN ON BILL FOR THIS, BUT I WOULD ANTICIPATE WITH THE SIZE OF THAT BUILDING, WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT PROBABLY A 30 DAY, IF NOT MORE, ABATEMENT PROGRAM.

AND SO THAT'S GOING TO BE A RELOCATION OF THE OF THE PROGRAM THAT HASN'T BEEN

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ABOUT THIS, WE REALLY WOULD LIKE TO ONLY BE THIS PLACE AT ONCE. OKAY. AND OPTION ONE WOULD HAVE HIM BEING DISPLACED TWO TIMES IN ORDER TO DO THIS FIRST OPTION ONE, AND THEN AGAIN FOR AN INTERIOR REMODEL AT SOME POINT NEXT YEAR. YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE TWO MONTHS FOR OR POSSIBLY THREE MONTHS FOR OPTION ONE WORK TO HAPPEN, AND THEN YOU'D COME BACK FOR THE FULL INTERIOR REMODEL, AND THAT'S PROBABLY THREE MONTHS, MAYBE UP TO SIX, DEPENDING ON HOW HOW EXTENSIVE AN INTERIOR REMODEL YOU ACTUALLY DID. AND JUST OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH HIM THAT WAS THAT WAS A BIG FACTOR. HE DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE TO DISPLACE T KIDS TWICE IF IF HE DIDN'T HAVE TO. SO IF I SPOKE TO HIM AFTER HE SPOKE AT THE MEETING HERE TONIGHT, AND HE REALLY WANTED TO IMPRESS THAT HE'D RATHER COME WITH A FULL FLEDGED PLAN AND BE DISPLACED ONCE AND HAVE IT BE SOMETHING THAT HE COULD CONTRIBUTE TO AND, AND, AND DO THE FULL, A FULLER THING THAT SATISFIED HIS NEEDS RATHER THAN GOING KIND OF AT THIS RIGHT NOW TO SOLVE, YOU KNOW, AN IMMEDIATE ISSUE, BUT THEN HAVING TO COME BACK AND HOPEFULLY GET WHAT HE WANTED AT A LATER DATE. SO THERE WOULD BE NO ABATEMENT. ASBESTOS ABATEMENT OPTION THREE. CORRECT? YES, SIR. UNTIL THE NEXT PHASE OF THE PROJECT, ONCE WE HAVE THE CONCEPTUAL DESIGN, WE BRING IT BACK IN A FUTURE CIP FOR THE FULL FUNDING. THAT'LL BE PART OF THE PROJECT. AND WHEN WE DO HAVE TO MOVE THE THE PROGRAM, THEY'RE DISPLACED THE ONE TIME FOR THE ASBESTOS ABATEMENT AND FOR THE REMODEL OF THE FACILITY. WE ALREADY KNOW WHERE ASBESTOS IS. YES, SIR. WE HAVE A STUDY FROM 2021. YES, SIR. OKAY. AND IT'S IT'S SO USING OPTION THREE.

FROM ELECTRICAL. WE WON'T DISTURB THE ASBESTOS. CORRECT. WE WILL NOT DISTURB ASBESTOS DURING OPTION THREE. OKAY. BUT TWO YEARS WE WILL HAVE TO. WHEN WILL WHEN WILL IT BE NECESSARY TO. WHEN WE DID THE FULL REMODEL, WE WOULD DO ALL THE ASBESTOS ABATEMENT AS PART OF THE FULL REMODEL. AFTER WE HAD DESIGN PLANS AND THE CONCEPTUAL STUDY DONE. AND WHEN WOULD THAT BE? WE WOULD DO THE CONCEPT THIS YEAR AND BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL TO DISCUSS THE OPTIONS, AND THEN WHATEVER GOT SELECTED, WE WOULD HAVE TO GO OUT FOR DESIGN. AT THAT POINT, WE WOULD WORK REAL CLOSELY WITH THE BOXING GYM TEAM SO THAT WE CAN GET A DESIGN THAT WORKS FOR THEM AND AND WORK AROUND THAT. OKAY, SO SO IT COULD BE THREE YEARS, CORRECT? FOUR YEARS, HOPEFULLY I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T THINK IT WOULD BE FOUR YEARS. AND EITHER WAY WE GO, THERE'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE PROFESSIONAL DESIGN WORK TO GET THIS DONE. AND AS WE ALLUDED TO, THERE'S THERE'S A 6 TO 9 MONTH TIME FRAME TO DO THAT. SO WE WE HAVE TO GET THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES DONE FOR THE, FOR THE WORK AND THAT, THAT THAT BRINGS TIME. BUT HAVING THOSE DESIGNS ALLOWS US TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL IN THE NEXT CIP, FUTURE CIP, TO BE ABLE TO SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHAT THE THE PROJECT CAN POTENTIALLY DO. THIS IS WHAT WE NEED. THIS IS WHAT THE BOXING GYM AGREES TO. IT'S A PARTNERSHIP GOING FORWARD, AND THERE'S FUNDING SOURCES THAT ARE IDENTIFIED FOR IT. SO IF WE CHOOSE OPTION THREE, THERE'D BE NO RISK TO THE KIDS, RIGHT? NO, SIR. WE WOULD WE WOULD BE MAKING IMPROVEMENTS TO THE BUILDING. OKAY. AND NOT ENDANGERING THE KIDS OR THE THE TUTORS OR ET-CETERA. CORRECT? CORRECT. YEAH. OKAY. GREAT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU SIR. COUNCIL MEMBER DENTON. SO I WILL SAY THAT THAT IS YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY ON PAR. HE DOES NOT WANT TO HAVE TO RELOCATE THE KIDS MORE THAN WE CAN AVOID. SO FOR FULL TRANSPARENCY. MY WHOLE GOAL WITH THIS WAS TO GET THE ATTENTION FOR THE BOXING GYM. LIKE THE CONDITIONS, LIKE JUST TO, TO PUT IT ON EVERYONE'S RADAR THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN CARE OF. SEEING THE 2 MILLION ON THE, ON THE CIP BUDGET WAS PHENOMENAL. EVEN FOR SLAVERY. AND SLAVERY WILL TELL YOU THAT

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ALTERNATIVELY, IT ALSO ALLOWS US TO DESIGN MAYBE SOME OPTIONS FOR OTHER SITES IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA WHERE THEY MIGHT HAVE OPTIONS. SO IT'S THE LEAST AMOUNT OF SUNK COST THAT YOU'D HAVE TO ESSENTIALLY. AND IT WAS THE CONCERN THAT THAT I THINK WE HAD ORIGINALLY THAT WE EXPRESSED ON SATURDAY, WHICH IS DOING OPTION ONE, THE FULL, YOU KNOW, MORE OF A OF A RENOVATION AND IMPROVEMENT REALLY PUTS MONEY IN AND SAYS, OKAY, WE'VE DONE THIS NOW AND YOU'RE KIND OF LOCKED INTO WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO. WHEREAS OPTION THREE GIVES US THE MOST FLEXIBLE APPROACH, AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THIS AND SATISFIES THE THE PLANNING NEEDS OF THE FOLKS AT THE BOXING GYM FOR NOT MOVING MULTIPLE TIMES. AND, AND IN OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH COACH SWABY, HE AGREED THAT OPTION THREE WOULD GIVE THEM THE MOST FLEXIBILITY TO BE ABLE TO PLAN TO DO THIS RIGHT AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE. YEAH, AND A I I'M GOOD WITH THAT. IT'S NOT MY GYM. IT'S GYM. LIKE, LET'S BE REAL. IT BASICALLY WAS ME WALKING IN AND SAYING, Y'ALL REALLY NEED A SECOND STORY. AND HE'S LIKE, OKAY, CASTLE, WHATEVER. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE WENT DOWN A RABBIT HOLE, BUT I, I CAN FULLY AGREE, LIKE, WE DON'T WANT TO SINK IN A BUNCH OF MONEY TO RIP IT OUT IN THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO. DO WE KNOW, LIKE THE PLUMBING, IS IT GOING TO BE UNDER THE SLAB WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO? THERE IS A PORTION THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REPLACE, BUT IT'S AT THE IT'S AT THE EDGE OF THE BUILDING. SO I THINK WE CAN COME FROM THE OUTSIDE IN AND RAISE IT. BUT BASICALLY IT'S OVER TIME. THE SLOPE OF THE PIPE HAS CHANGED. SO IT KIND OF TIPS THIS WAY NOW AND DOESN'T FLOW VERY WELL BECAUSE IT'S A SLIGHT UPWARD SLOPE BEFORE IT GOES BACK DOWN AGAIN. SO TOO MUCH TOILET PAPER OR WHATEVER. WE'RE IN THERE HAVING TO ROTO-ROOTER THE TOILET OVERFLOW PERIODICALLY. SO WE SOLVE THAT PROBLEM SO THAT THAT'S NOT HAPPENING REGULARLY. SURE. AND THEN WE'LL HANDLE THE WE'LL REPLACE ALL THE LIGHTS. WE ALREADY GOT A QUOTE TO GET ALL THE LIGHTS REPLACED. AND THEY'LL BE LIGHT SWITCHES. NO MORE HAVING TO TURN IT OFF ON THE BREAKER OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO THAT THAT SHOULD SOLVE THAT IMMEDIATE PROBLEM ON ALL OF THAT STUFF. SO. OKAY. SO WHEN WE GET READY TO DO LIKE A REAL RENOVATION, CAN WE JUST SAVE THOSE LIGHTS? OH YEAH. YES, WE DID ASK THAT. I MEAN, THEY'RE GOING TO BE LED FLAT PANELS LIKE THIS, AND WE CAN JUST POP THEM OUT AND REUSE THEM IN THE NEW STRUCTURE. OKAY. AND SAME COUNCIL MEMBER DOES THE SAME WITH THE ELECTRICAL PANEL. THAT WAS A QUESTION WE ASKED OF THIS PANEL THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN. CAN THAT ALSO BE REPURPOSED BACK INTO THE RENOVATION. AND IT CAN BE. SO EVERYTHING WE'RE GOING TO PUT IN, WE'RE WANTING TO MAKE SURE IT CAN BE USED BACK FOR THE RENOVATION. OKAY. AND THEN ARE WE CONFIDENT THAT WHEN WE REPLACE THE ELECTRICAL PANEL THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO JACK SOMETHING ELSE UP OR. YEAH, WE'VE HAD THE THE ELECTRICIAN THAT WORKS FOR THE CITY ALL THE TIME IS BOYD ELECTRIC. THAT'S WHO WE, WE'VE BEEN USING FOR YEARS AND THAT'S WHO PROVIDED

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AWESOME. I MEAN, AND THEY STILL HAVE THE WHOLE CHILLER SYSTEM UPSTAIRS. I'M SURE WE COULD, LIKE, SCRAP IT AND MAKE SOME OF THAT THAT MONEY BACK. I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS LOOKING INTO THIS AND REALLY PUTTING TIME AND EFFORT INTO IT. I THINK THAT THE THIRD OPTION IS DEFINITELY GOING TO BE THE BEST. AS LONG AS WE HAVE A TIMELINE. AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T I DON'T WANT TO COME TO CIP NEXT YEAR AND BE LIKE, OH YEAH, SORRY. WE DON'T WE DON'T HAVE NO MONEY, WHICH IS THE BIGGEST FEAR IS THE UNCERTAINTY OF THAT. BUT I, I HAVE I'M GOING TO MAKE ALL OF YOU PINKY PROMISE LATER THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET IT DONE. YOU CAN'T BREAK A PINKY PROMISE. SO I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS SO VERY MUCH. I THINK IF WE CAN GET THOSE ITEMS DONE. THAT WILL DEFINITELY MAKE THEM HAPPY. AND THAT WAY, DAVE, DAVE CAN HAVE MORE OF AN A SAY SO IN THE DESIGN AND ALL OF THAT STUFF. AND I THINK THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT BECAUSE NOBODY KNOWS WHAT'S GOING TO BE FUNCTIONALLY FEASIBLE FOR THEM MORE THAN SLAVERY. SO LET'S GET THAT MAN RETIRED. WE LOVE HIM, BUT HE'S READY TO REST. SO AND IF WE CAN DO THE PLUMBING FIRST ALSO LIKE JUST SIDE NOTE, THAT WOULD BE AMAZING BECAUSE NOBODY LIKES HAVING TO PLUNGE A TOILET ALL THE TIME. THANK YOU AGAIN. YOU GUYS ARE AWESOME. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMAS. SO HAVING WORKED FOR ROOFING MANUFACTURER IN A PREVIOUS LIFE OKAY, NOW THAT I'M FULLY RETIRED, THAT WAS TWO LIVES AGO. WE WORKED WITH ASBESTOS AND SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR. AND SO WHEN I THINK ABOUT AN ELECTRICAL PANEL TYPICALLY THAT'S EMBEDDED IN A WALL AND TO REMOVE IT NOW YOU'VE GOT TO OPEN THE WALL. IS THAT NOT OPENING IT UP TO ASBESTOS OR I JUST DO I JUST NOT KNOW THE LAYOUT. IT'S IT IS THE ASBESTOS IS IN CERTAIN AREAS AND IT'S IN THE THE TAPE AND EMBEDDING THEY USED. IT'S NOT IN THE DRYWALL PORTION. AND SO I THINK WE GET AWAY FROM IT IN THAT REGARD WHERE THE PANELS AT BECAUSE IT'S NOT YOU'RE NOT DIGGING INTO THE WHERE IT'S TAPED EMBEDDED OKAY. SO IT'S NOT BLOWN IN INSULATION LIKE MY MY GRANDPARENTS HAD A HOUSE IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA BUILT IN THE 50S. AND IT WAS THAT'S HOW THEY SOLD THEM THE INSULATION.

THEY PUT A HAD A PILE OF ASBESTOS, PUT A PENNY ON TOP OF IT, BLEW A BLEW BLOWTORCH AND A PENNY MELTED, RAN THROUGH THE ASBESTOS, DIDN'T SET IT ON FIRE. THEY SAID, THAT'S GREAT. WELL, THEN, 75 YEARS LATER WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO SELL THE HOUSE, IT WASN'T SO GREAT. SO. BUT ANYWAY, SO THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A REAL CONCERN THAT WE WOULD EXPOSE. WE USED TO SAY THE ROOFING BUSINESS AS BESTOS IS NOT HAZARDOUS IF YOU EAT IT, IT'S ONLY HAZARDOUS IF YOU BREATHE IT IN. AND SO THE REAL CONCERN. SO IF THERE'S NO CONCERN THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DISTURBING ASBESTOS, WE'RE GOING WITH OPTION THREE, THEN I CAN FULLY SUPPORT THAT OKAY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU MAYOR. COUNCIL, I THINK WE'VE REACHED A POINT WHERE WE'RE LOOKING FOR CONSENSUS ON THIS. SO I WILL START WITH OPTION THREE. THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU. MAYOR. MAYOR, WE HAVE ONE OTHER ITEM TO TO RUN THROUGH RELATED TO THE FACILITY CIP. SO WE WANTED TO EXPAND UPON WHAT WE INTRODUCED AS THE EFI PROJECTS OR THE EXISTING FACILITY IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS. AND GOING TO GO OVER A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT WE ACCOMPLISHED IN 2025 AND 2026.

SO JUST QUICKLY WANTED TO CALL OUT THAT WE HAVE JUST OVER 289 FACILITIES WITHIN THE CITY'S ASSETS, AND THERE'S TWO POINT 7,000,000FT■S THAT WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR. I SHOULD SAY, THE BILL IS RESPONSIBLE FOR TO MAKE SURE WE THAT WE KEEP, KEEP GOING. WHEN BILL FIRST STARTED, ONE OF THE THINGS WE ASKED HIM TO LOOK AT IS WHERE WE HAD A LOT OF DEFERRED MAINTENANCE WITHIN OUR, IN OUR FACILITIES. SO THIS STUDY LOOKED AT WHERE AREAS WHERE SYSTEMS WERE FAILING. AND WE SAY SYSTEMS, HVAC SYSTEMS, ELECTRICAL SYSTEMS, ROOFING SYSTEMS, PLUMBING SYSTEMS WERE WERE FAILING. AND TO BE HONEST COUNCIL, WE PREVIOUSLY

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SO AS IT RELATED TO THE FCA, WE HIRED MCKINSTRY TO DO THIS STUDY A LITTLE OVER TWO YEARS AGO, AND THEY PROVIDED WHAT'S CALLED AN FCA SCORE. SO FACILITY CONDITION ASSESSMENT.

SO THEY LOOKED AT ALL OF THE SYSTEMS WITHIN THE BUILDINGS. THEY ASSIGNED A SCORE. AND IT WAS BASED ON THE CONDITION OF THE ASSET, THE AGE OF THE ASSET. AND THE WORSE THE SCORE, THE WORSE THE RATING THE BUILDING RECEIVED AS IT RELATED TO PROJECTS THAT WERE PULLED FOR THIS, THIS FUNDING. IT'S A COMBINATION OF THE FCA SCORES. SO THE EXISTING SYSTEMS, IT ALSO LOOKED AT HOW MANY INDIVIDUALS WERE WITHIN THE BUILDING. SO IF IT WAS HEAVY STAFF OCCUPIED, IF IT WAS HEAVY CITIZEN OCCUPIED, AND THEN WHAT TYPE OF OPERATIONAL IMPACT THE BUILDING HAD, SUCH AS REC CENTERS THAT HAVE VISITORS COMING IN AND OUT. THAT'S A HEAVY OPERATIONAL IMPACT. THIS BUILDING HAS A HEAVY OPERATIONAL IMPACT DUE TO THE NUMBER OF MEETINGS THAT TAKE PLACE HERE. SO WITHIN THE THE 2025 EFI OR FCA PROJECTS, WE COMPLETED THREE PROJECTS. IT WAS THE RON JONES BUILDING, THE DUCKWORTH BUILDING AND THE JUSTICE COMPLEX. EACH ONE OF THOSE HAD VARIOUS IMPROVEMENTS THAT TOOK PLACE. AND WHEN I SAY IMPROVEMENTS, THAT WAS DEFERRED MAINTENANCE THAT HAD BEEN LONG GONE FOR CERTAIN MOUNTAINS, AMOUNTS OF TIME THAT NEEDED TO TO BE ADDRESSED. I'LL USE THE JONES BUILDING AS A AS AN EXAMPLE. TWO SUMMERS AGO WE HAD TO CLOSE THE BUILDING DOWN FOR A WEEK. IF COUNCIL RECALLS, BECAUSE OF A FAILED CHILLER SYSTEM, THAT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THE FCA FOCUSED IN ON THAT SAYS, HEY, YOUR CHILLERS ARE ARE OUTDATED. YOU CAN'T FIND PARTS FOR THEM ANYMORE. THEY'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE AN ISSUE. BILL AND I JOKED THAT THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT KEPT US UP AT NIGHT. WHEN WE STARTED HITTING TRIPLE DIGIT HEAT IN THE SUMMER. THOSE CHILLERS HAVE SINCE BEEN REPLACED AS PART OF THIS PROJECT, SO IT HELPS US BE MORE PROACTIVE ABOUT OUR REPAIRS RATHER THAN REACTIVE. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS ASKED OF US WAS WHAT ARE OUR PROJECTS IDENTIFIED AS PART OF THE EFI IN 2026? SO THE FIRST IS THE BRADFIELD RECREATION CENTER. AS WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE SATURDAY WORKSHOP, THIS WAS THE ONLY RECREATION CENTER IN OUR RECREATION ASSET THAT WE DID NOT PUT IN THE BOND PROCESS FOR 2019. AND SO WITH THIS IMPROVEMENT PROCESS WILL DO OR MAINTENANCE PROCESS WILL DO IS REPLACE FOUR HVAC UNITS THAT ARE AGED OUT AT THAT LOCATION. IT WILL INSULATE THE DUCTS. THE LIGHTING IS ALSO OUTDATED. SO IT'LL PROVIDE LED LIGHTING TO THIS. AND THEN THERE ARE VARIOUS ELECTRICAL REPAIRS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED BY MCKINSTRY THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED WITHIN THIS BUILDING. THERE WAS ALSO WORK IDENTIFIED WITHIN THE CITY HALL BUILDING. AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT BILL'S TEAM IS CHALLENGED WITH NOW IS BEING ABLE TO MAKE REPAIRS TO THE HVAC SYSTEM WITHIN CITY HALL. SO WE HAVE SEVERAL PIECES OF EQUIPMENT THAT MOVE AIR IN AND OUT OF THE BUILDING. AND WE WE SUFFER FROM THAT IN THIS ROOM WHERE AIR IS NOT ABLE TO TO MIX CORRECTLY INTO THE BUILDING BASED ON THE THE AGE OF THE SYSTEM. AND SO WE HAVE HOT AND COLD SPELLS AND THAT'S GOING ON THROUGHOUT SEVERAL OF THE FLOORS WITHIN THE BUILDING. SO THAT'LL HELP US UPDATE A LOT OF THOSE COMPONENTS. THE CHALLENGE THAT WE'RE RUNNING INTO IS A LOT OF THOSE COMPONENTS THAT ARE PART OF THE SYSTEM NOW ARE OBSOLETE. WE CAN'T FIND THEM.

AND SO THIS IS UPGRADING THEM INTO MATERIAL THAT BILL'S TEAM CAN WORK WITH DOWN THE ROAD. SO UPGRADING A LOT OF OUR COMPONENTS TO OUR HVAC SYSTEM. IT'LL ALSO ADDRESS OUR BUILDING AUTOMATION SYSTEM RIGHT NOW. SO AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE MAY HAVE IN AN OFFICE. IT MAY BE 65 DEGREES BECAUSE WE CAN'T TELL WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE AIR. BILL'S TEAM CAN'T GO ADDRESS IT.

BUT NOW IF WE HAVE DIFFERENT VARIABLES OF TEMPERATURE THAT ARE OUT OF THE NORM, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THAT AND THEY'LL BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THOSE MORE QUICKLY AND SEE WHAT MECHANICAL FAILURES ARE TAKING PLACE WITHIN THE HVAC SYSTEM. ONCE THESE COMPONENTS AND THE AUTOMATION SYSTEM ARE REPLACED, THERE WILL BE A COMPLETE RECOMMISSIONING OF THE SYSTEM.

AND SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO REDUCE ANY OF THE THE TEMPERATURE FLUXES WE'RE SEEING WITHIN THE BUILDING. AND AND THIS IS THE GOAL OF KEEPING OUR HVAC EQUIPMENT ALIVE LONGER THAN, THAN IT NEEDS TO, TO CONTINUE TO HAVE MAINTENANCE FAILURES. AT T THIS POINT. ANY QUESTIONS N THAT. THOSE TWO PROJECTS FOR FOR THE FOR THE COMING YEAR, I'LL JUMP INTO THE THE BUDGET.

THERE WAS QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE PROJECTS THAT WERE WITHIN THE BUDGET. SO I'LL GO LINE ITEM BY LINE ITEM HERE. WE HAD A 684,000 THAT WAS CALLED OUT IN 2026 FOR PARKING LOT UPGRADES. SO I WILL TELL YOU THAT BILL'S TEAM IS WORKING ON PRICING FOR THREE PROJECTS. SO IN THE REAR OF THE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WHERE THE STAFF PARKS, THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL

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THE NEXT ITEM IS A $200,000 RENOVATION OF THE PARKS ADMIN BUILDING. THIS IS THE PARKS ADMIN BUILDING ON APOLLO. THIS PROJECT IS ESSENTIALLY A REFRESH OF THAT FACILITY. IT INCLUDES UPGRADING FLOORING, PAINTING, NEW COUNTERS, CABINETRY, AND MINOR EXTERIOR WORK FOR WATER INTRUSION. THE NEXT ITEM IS THE REPLACEMENT OF UPS'S, OR ESSENTIALLY BIG BACKUP BATTERY SUPPLIES FOR BOTH THE DUCKWORTH AND IT BUILDINGS. THIS IS OUR PROTECTION IN THE EVENT WE LOSE POWER AND WE HAVE TO GET POWER BACK UP FOR THOSE CRITICAL SYSTEMS. AND THEN THE LAST BUCKET IS OUR WHAT WE CALL OUR UNFORESEEN NON-BUILDING SYSTEM FAILURES. SO THESE ARE THOSE NON PLUMBING NON-ELECTRICAL TYPE FAILURES THAT HAVE

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WE HAD A FAILURE OF FLOORING IN THAT BUILDING. AND WE HAD A $140,000 COST TO GO IN AND REPLACE THE THE FLOORING THAT WAS CAUSING SOME TRIPPING HAZARDS IN THAT AREA. AT THE AUDUBON REC CENTER, THE GYM FLOOR BEGAN TO FAIL ON US, AND IT WAS RESULTING IN DEFICIENT SPACE RENTALS BECAUSE OF THE FLOORS CONDITIONS. SO WE WENT IN AND REPLACED THAT FOR 108,000. ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF TYPE OF PROJECTS. ANIMAL SHELTER HAS A LOT OF MOISTURE IN THE BUILDING. DUE TO THE CLEANING THAT HAS TO TAKE PLACE. MANY OF THE DOORS BEGAN TO TO ROT. AND I SHOULDN'T SAY ROT THE RUST BECAUSE OF THE MOISTURE THAT WAS COMING THROUGH THAT, THROUGH THAT FACILITY. AND SO THAT WAS A $63,000 REPAIR THAT THAT HAD TO BE MADE. AND SO THIS IS AN ACCOUNT THAT ALLOWS US TO ADDRESS THOSE TYPE OF FAILURES THAT ARE NON SYSTEM BASED. BUT ALSO IF YOU RECALL KAREN'S PRESENTATION IS REGARDING THE LIBRARY ON SATURDAY AS WELL. THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT HAVING TO REPLACE CARPET IN THAT PROJECT. AND OUR GOAL IS TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE ITEMS IN ADVANCE, RATHER THAN HAVING TO BE PART OF A A LARGER PROJECT. WHEN WE DO HAVE CARPET AGING OUT, NEEDING TO PAINT WALLS, THAT WE'RE ADDRESSING THOSE UP FRONT. ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILMEMBER DUTTON I HAVE JUST A VERY QUICK MAYBE A DUMB QUESTION BECAUSE YOU BROUGHT UP THE LIBRARY FLOORS. DO WE LIKE SHAMPOO THOSE ON A SCHEDULE? NOT REALLY. OKAY. SO WE WHAT I CAN SAY ON ON THAT COUNCIL MEMBER DUTTON, WE HAVE PURCHASED EQUIPMENT FOR THE THE SHAMPOOING OF CARPETS. NOW ON ON MOST CASES IT'S ON AN AD HOC BASIS. DEPARTMENTS WILL REACH OUT AND SAY THERE'S A NEED FOR FOR THE CLEINGS. SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THERE'S NOT A SCHEDULE AT THIS THIS TIME. AND IT'S REALLY A MANPOWER RESOURCE TO BE ABLE TO TO DO IT BASED ON THE NUMBER OF BUILDINGS WE HAVE. THANK YOU. I KNOW THAT WAS BRIAN'S OVER THERE LAUGHING, BUT WHEN WE SAW THE PICTURES, I WAS THINKING LIKE, OH, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY THEY NEED A REALLY GOOD SHAMPOOING, LIKE A POWER WASHER MAYBE AT THIS POINT. THANK YOU. MAYOR PRO TEM LUCK.

SO THE PARKS AND REC ADMIN BUILDING, IT ONLY NEEDS $200,000 WORTH OF RENOVATIONS.

THAT SURPRISES ME. MAYOR PRO TEM LUCK. THIS IS A VERY HIGH LEVEL REHAB OF THE FACILITY.

AND SO AS PART OF THE FCA, THERE WILL BE FUTURE WORK AS IT RELATES TO THE HVAC AND PLUMBING THAT TAKES PLACE IN THAT BUILDING. BUT AT THIS TIME, IN VISITING WITH DR. LEE AND ALSO ANDY, REGARDING THAT, THIS IS ESSENTIALLY A SPRUCE UP OF THE BUILDING FOR THE STAFF.

IT'S NOT A COMPLETE RENOVATION. OKAY, WELL, THEY DESERVE IT. THEY WORK REALLY HARD. THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM. COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS. LINE ITEM UPS REPLACEMENT. WHAT IS THAT? THOSE ARE TWO BACKUP BATTERIES. THOSE ARE FOR THE IT BUILDING AND THE DUCKWORTH BUILDING.

THEY ARE BACKUPS FOR THE CUSTOMER SERVICE SOFTWARE AT DUCKWORTH. AND THEN IT SYSTEMS AT THE IT BUILDING. WHAT DO THEY HAVE TO DO WITH IT'S UNINTERRUPTIBLE UNINTERRUPTIBLE POWER SUPPLY OKAY OKAY OKAY. ALL RIGHT I WASN'T SURE ABOUT WHAT THOSE SET UPS STOOD FOR.

OKAY. RIGHT I UNDERSTAND THAT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I SEE NONE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO I'LL GO OVER THE CALENDAR REAL QUICK AND THEN OPEN IT UP FOR ANY GENERAL DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION FROM THE CITY COUNCIL. SO EARLIER TONIGHT WE HAD OUR PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PROPOSED CIP. I'LBE SPEAKING BEFORE WE END OUR DISCUSSION TONIGHT.

DIRECTION ON IF WE WOULD LIKE AN ADDITIONAL SPECIAL SESSION ON THE CIP NEXT TUESDAY. BASED ON THAT, WE'LL COME BACK ON FEBRUARY 2ND WITH ANY FINAL COUNCIL DELIBERATIONS, FINAL DIRECTION TO STAFF, AND THEN ON FEBRUARY 3RD, UNLESS TOLD OTHERWISE, WE'LL PLAN ON A SECOND AND FINAL PUBLIC HEARING, AS WELL AS THE ADOPTION OF THE 2026 PROPOSED CIP AT THAT TIME.

SO WITH THAT, I'LL OPEN UP TO QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSION AS WELL. AND THEN DIRECTION ON THE JANUARY 27TH MEETING. ALL RIGHT. FIRST, I'LL ASK FOR ANY QUESTIONS ON THE CIP. I SEE NONE. AND SECOND, I'LL GO TO THE NEED FOR A ADDITIONAL MEETING ON THE 27TH.

HISTORICALLY WE HAVEN'T NEEDED THAT, BUT IT'S AN OPTION AND WE'VE ALREADY POSTED AN AGENDA

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[7. MD Health Pathways Program Update]

YOU'RE YOU'RE OUT OF THE LOW COST SYSTEM. YOU'VE GOT TO NOW FIND SOMETHING LIKE AN URGENT CARE WITH A CO-PAY OF $200 OR AN ER, WITH THE AVERAGE FEE OF $1,500, AND TO HAVE A TEAM OF DOCTORS WAITING AT WILL FOR A COMMUNITY THIS SIZE, I'VE GOT TO HIRE THEM AND GUARANTEE THEM EMPLOYMENT A YEAR AHEAD OF TIME. SO IN ORDER TO DO THAT, I'VE GOT A PLAN. WE'VE GOT A PLAN TO BE AVAILABLE FOR THE COMMUNITY OF GARLAND, AND THAT'S EXPENSIVE. DOCTORS, NURSE PRACTITIONERS, PHYSICIAN ASSISTANTS AREN'T INEXPENSIVE, UNFORTUNATELY. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE IT CLEAR TONIGHT THAT THAT I THINK WE'RE ALL ABOUT CHOICE, ALL ABOUT DECISIONS. AND AND IF THE DECISION WERE TO BE MADE TO MAKE THIS AN OPT IN, IT ESSENTIALLY CANCELING THE PROGRAM, AND IT'S MAKING A DECISION FOR EVERYONE. EVERYONE THAT SHOWED UP TONIGHT SAID, I DON'T HAVE INSURANCE, I DON'T HAVE ACCESS. COUNCIL WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE TELLING THEM, YOU CAN'T HAVE THIS, YOU CAN'T HAVE THIS FOR EVERYBODY. BUT IN ITS CURRENT INCARNATION AND WHAT WE'RE PURSUING, THE OPT OUT GIVES EVERYONE A CHOICE.

GIVES GIVES THE MOM WITH TWO KIDS THAT DOESN'T THINK ABOUT HER HEALTH CARE TO THE MOMENT SHE NEEDS IT. THIS IS AVAILABLE R HER THE MOMENT SHE NEEDS IT. THE PERSON THAT HAS INSURANCE THAT'S AWARE THAT IT'S HERE, THEY CAN EASILY OPT OUT. AND SO AS AS WE GO THROUGH THIS, I WANT TO SHOW YOU WE'RE ACTUALLY SEEING A LOT OF AWARENESS. I KNOW WE SAW TONIGHT A LOT OF

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MAYBE WE CAN PLAN TOGETHER AND MAKE THIS MAKE THIS SUCCESS TOGETHER. I WANTED TO TOUCH NOW ON JUST OUR OUTREACH EFFORT AND SOME OF THE TEAM. IN PREVIOUS MEETINGS, WE'VE DISCUSSED, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS. WE'VE BEEN TO CHARITABLE ORGANIZATIONS, CHURCHES, THINGS LIKE THAT THAT GERARDO AND I HAVE BEEN TO. BUT TODAY I REALLY WANT TO SPOTLIGHT OUR COMMUNITY LIAISON, SHARONDA GREEN. SHE'S PUT TOGETHER A TEAM OF NOT ONLY LOCAL PEOPLE, BUT TRUE GARLAND RESIDENTS WHO ARE SORT OF WHAT WE CALL OUR BOOTS ON THE GROUND TEAM.

THEY'RE LIKE DIRK MENTIONED, DOING A NUMBER OF EFFORTS BOTH IN THE CITY AND IN CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOODS, THINGS LIKE THAT, TRYING TO GET THE WORD OUT. I'M GOING TO TOUCH QUICKLY ON SOME OF THE MUNICIPAL OUTREACH WE'VE DONE AND THEN TALK ABOUT SOME EFFORTS. WE'RE WORKING WITH GISD. LIKE I SAID, I WANTED TO SPOTLIGHT OUR COMMUNITY LIAISON. WE'VE BEEN CANVASING VERY PRIMARILY THIS 7504 0041 AND 043 ZIP CODES. THESE ARE A LITTLE MORE SENIOR DENSE, YOU KNOW, IN PREVIOUS MEETINGS AND FROM THE PUBLIC, A LOT OF THE CONCERN HAS BEEN AROUND SENIOR CITIZENS. SO WE HAVE MADE A BIG PUSH TO DO SOME MORE BOOTS ON THE GROUND, YOU KNOW, SORT OF GRASSROOTS, SORT OF REALLY ORGANIC ENGAGEMENT WITH THEM. SOME FOLKS WHO AREN'T ABLE TO GET ON SOCIAL MEDIA OR HEAR MEANS WE'RE MAKING IT HAPPEN, BEING AT THEIR DOOR JUST SORT OF HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE WORK SHE'S GIVEN TO GARLAND RESIDENTS. YOU KNOW, WHEN SHE HIRED HER IN NOVEMBER, HER FIRST COUPLE WEEKS, SHE HAD ALMOST 200 HOURS OF COMMUNITY SERVICE. AND THEN SINCE THEN, WE'VE ECLIPSED ALMOST ANOTHER 300. I WON'T BORE YOU WITH THE EXACT DETAILS. HERE'S A LITTLE EXAMPLE OF THOSE DOOR TO DOOR EFFORTS THAT I MENTIONED ON THE SLIDE. THERE IS INFORMATION WITH THE DOOR HANGER ALONG WITH A NUMBER OF OTHER FLIERS.

COUNCIL MEMBER BEARD MENTIONED THAT STACK OF THREE FLIERS AS WELL. SO IN ADDITION TO SOME NEIGHBORHOODS GETTING THE DOOR HANGER, SOME ARE GETTING THESE THESE STACK OF FLIERS. AND YEAH, SHARON HAS DONE A GREAT JOB OF, YOU KNOW, GETTING THE FOLKS WHO ARE COMING BY DOING SOME BACKGROUND CHECKS ON THEM, MAKING SURE WE DON'T HAVE EVERYONE JUST RUNNING AROUND OUR NEIGHBORHOODS HERE, BUT JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE DOOR TO DOOR EFFORTS THAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING HERE. THIS IS JUST SOME PHOTOS OF SOME CHURCHES THEY'VE BEEN TO RECENTLY HANDING OUT STACKS OF FLIERS, MEETING WITH PASTORS, STAFF THERE, LETTING SOME OF THEIR CONGREGATION KNOW THAT THIS IS COMING AND, YOU KNOW, GIVING THEM A CHANCE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, REACH OUT TO US, GIVING OUR CONTACT INFORMATION AS WELL, JUST DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MEET LARGE CONGREGATIONS OF PEOPLE REALLY QUICKLY. I JUST WANT TO TOUCH ON SOME OF THE THE WORK WE'VE DONE WITH WITH CITY STAFF HERE, LIKE DOCTOR MENTIONED, LIKE WAS MENTIONED BY A COUPLE RESIDENTS TONIGHT. UTILITY BILL INSERT WENT OUT THAT WENT OVER TO OVER

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BUT MOST RECENTLY WE PRESENTED WITH THE NOON EXCHANGE CLUB ON THEIR MEETING JUST BEFORE CHRISTMAS HOLIDAY. WE INFORM THEM ABOUT THE PROGRAM AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE MET THEM THROUGH THE GIFT WRAPPING EVENT THAT, THAT, THAT THEY PUT ON AT THE NORTH GARLAND HIGH SCHOOL. AND WE TOLD THEM, KEEP US IN MIND FOR ANY UPCOMING EVENTS. WE LOVE TO SPONSOR THESE THINGS, ATTEND THESE THINGS LIKE THIS, AND ANY WAY WE CAN SORT OF GIVE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY. SOME SOME OF THESE OUTREACH EFFORTS ARE IMMEDIATE. INFORM PEOPLE THAT THIS IS HERE. INFORM THEM HOW TO OPT OUT. LET THEM MAKE A DECISION. SOME OF THE OUTREACH IS MORE ABOUT FORMING PARTNERSHIPS THAT TAKE TIME AND HAVE A REAL COMMUNITY IMPACT. AND AND ONE OF THOSE IS I RECENTLY MET WITH THE MEDICAL DIRECTOR OF GARLAND EMS, DOCTOR MATTHEW TICE, ALSO MET WITH THE MEDICAL DIRECTOR OF THE SURROUNDING ERS THAT ALL SERVICE GARLAND, AND THEY ARE ALL VERY INTERESTED IN FIGURING OUT HOW WE CAN DIVERT PATIENTS TO TO THIS SYSTEM. EMS SHARED WITH US THAT THE MAJORITY OF WHAT THEY TRANSPORT REALLY ISN'T THE EXCITING LIGHTS AND SIRENS, CAR ACCIDENTS, STROKES AND HEART ATTACKS. IT'S A LOT OF MEDICAL UBER FOR PEOPLE THAT JUST DON'T HAVE A RIDE TO THE HOSPITAL. AND SO IN PREVIOUS COMMUNITIES WE'VE WE'VE WORKED WITH THAT HAD SUCCESSFUL REDUCTION IN EMS. WE'VE PROVIDED A ONE PAGE HANDOUT, A FRIDGE MAGNET. YOU CAN'T STOP THE FIRST EMS, BUT THE PEOPLE THAT UTILIZE THIS ON A REGULAR BASIS, YOU CAN PUT A LITTLE FRIDGE MAGNET, LETTING THEM KNOW THAT NEXT TIME YOU CAN COMMUNICATE DIRECTLY WITH THE DOCTOR, YOU DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE TO CALL 911 IF THIS NON-EMERGENCY ISSUE. AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF INTEREST THERE THAT WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON AND DEVELOP. WE'RE GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE IT'S BEEN CALLED HERE A PILOT PROGRAM. WE CALL IT A LITTLE BIT OF A OF A SOFT LAUNCH. I JUST WANT TO REMIND COUNCIL THIS IS THIS IS REALLY OUR GOODWILL. WE THIS IS NOT PART OF THE CONTRACT WITH WITH GARLAND. THIS IS NOT A LITMUS TEST OR A GAUGE OF GAUGING THE SUCCESS OF THE PROGRAM TO, TO TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THIS CONTINUES. TRULY, THIS WAS WHEN I HEARD THAT GARLAND HAD TECHNICAL ISSUES AND COULDN'T PUT THIS ON A BILL. I KNEW THAT GARLAND WAS GOING TO SUFFER BECAUSE OF THE FLU SEASON, BECAUSE I SEE IT IN THE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT. AND SO WE HAD WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS GOING TO BE A THREE MONTH KIND OF OPPORTUNITY FOR A LIMITED NUMBER OF FAMILIES TO TO TRIAL HAS TURNED INTO A GREATER THAN SIX MONTH OPPORTUNITY. THAT COMES WITH SOME PRETTY EXTENSIVE COSTS ON OUR END TO COVER THOSE. SO I JUST WANT TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW, LIKE, LIKE THIS IS OUR GOODWILL AND OUTREACH THAT WE'RE DOING THIS.

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WE'RE IN THE FLU SEASON. 30% OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS FLU. THEN SINUS INFECTIONS GO ALONG ALONG WITH THAT, 11% OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS A URINARY INFECTION. NOW IMAGINE YOU'RE YOU'RE A MOM, YOU'RE UP LATE AT NIGHT. YOU GOT A BIG MEETING THE NEXT DAY. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF OPTIONS TO GET THAT TREATED. AND THAT IS TRULY AN EMERGENCY. IF YOU IF YOU LET LET THAT URINARY INFECTION GO, YOU DEVELOP A KIDNEY INFECTION. SO WE'RE AVOIDING A LOT OF POTENTIAL ER VISITS AND A LOT OF MEDICAL UBERS FROM YOUR 911 SYSTEM. SO MORE OF THE MORE COMMON EVERYDAY MEDICAL ILLNESSES SUCH AS CONJUNCTIVITIS, STREP THROAT, LARYNGITIS AND THEN CHRONIC DISEASE, ELEVATED BLOOD PRESSURE AND DIABETES. AND HERE'S A BREAKDOWN OF OUR NUMBERS. RIGHT NOW WE'RE PREDOMINANTLY FEMALE 64%. BUT THE POPULATION THAT EVERYONE IS SAYING THAT'S HARD TO REACH, HARD TO NOTIFY, 65 PLUS AGE, WE'RE SEEING 22% FROM THAT AGE GROUP. AND SO NOT ONLY ARE WE GETTING THE WORD OUT, THEY'RE SEEING THE VALUE IN THAT. AND THEN THE SCHOOL AGED CHILDREN, ABOUT 34%. AND I JUST WANT TO REMIND COUNCIL SCHOOL AGE IS A BIG WIN BECAUSE NOT ONLY DO WE GET THOSE KIDS BACK TO SCHOOL SOONER, THEIR THEIR ABSENCE GOES FROM UNEXCUSED ABSENCE TO AN EXCUSED. AND JUST TO MAKE COUNCIL AWARE, AN UNEXCUSED ABSENCE IS NOT REIMBURSED BY THE STATE. EVERY DAY A CHILD MISSES SCHOOL IS $50. A SCHOOL IS LOSING OUT ON THE MINUTE A CHILD MISSES SCHOOL AND COMES BACK WITH A DOCTOR'S NOTE, THAT ABSENCE BECOMES EXCUSED AND BECOMES REIMBURSED BY THE STATE. SO IF YOU MISS THREE DAYS AND YOU'VE GOT A DOCTOR'S NOTE FROM US, THAT'S WORTH THAT, THAT DOCTOR'S NOTE IS WORTH $150.

AND SO THAT ONE THIRD OF KIDS THAT WE'RE SEEING IS REALLY IMPACTFUL AND WILL BE VERY IMPACTFUL OVER TIME. SO I WANTED TO GIVE JUST A COUPLE OF BRIEF EXAMPLES. I KNOW YOU HEARD FROM A LOT OF PATIENTS TONIGHT ABOUT THE PROGRAM THAT HAVE UTILIZED IT. I THINK ONE OF THE BEST EXAMPLES, AND WE HAD THIS JUST A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, ACTUALLY, I THINK ONE, ONE THIS PERSON REACHED OUT TO A COUNCIL MEMBER. BUT AS A YOUNG MOM, TWO, TWO SPECIAL NEEDS KIDS AT HOME, HAS NO HEALTH CARE, WAS LOOKING AT LIKE, HOW DO I BUY MEDICATION? DO I GOT TO GO TO A PET STORE OR SOMEWHERE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO TREAT MY MY ILLNESS? AND ON FACEBOOK THAT THAT MOTHER WAS INFORMED, HEY, YOU'VE GOT ACCESS TO A DOCTOR THROUGH THIS SYSTEM. USE IT. SHE WAS ABLE TO USE IT, ABLE TO PICK UP HER DRUGS FOR LESS THAN $12. AND WHEN? THEN JUST A FEW DAYS, WHEN WE CHECKED BACK INTO HER, SHE WAS ALREADY GETTING BETTER.

AND THIS IS A MOM THAT COULDN'T EASILY TAKE HER KIDS OVER TO THE URGENT CARE ER DID NOT HAVE INSURANCE. AND SO IT'S PEOPLE LIKE THIS WE'RE HELPING AND I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT ANOTHER.

AND WE'VE SEEN THIS AT 3 OR 4 TIMES, BUT JUST RECENTLY ANOTHER ONE WE ARE WE SEE MENTAL ILLNESS. AND SO WE SEE PEOPLE WITH SCHIZOPHRENIA. WE SEE PEOPLE WITH MAJOR DEPRESSION. AND ONCE THOSE PATIENTS ARE ON THEIR MEDICATIONS, THEY'RE WELL MANAGED. THEY DON'T HAVE ACUTE CRISES. BUT UNFORTUNATELY, PEOPLE WITH MENTAL ILLNESS HAVE TROUBLE SHOWING UP TO THEIR DOCTOR'S VISITS. AND SO IT'S NOT UNCOMMON TO BE WELL MANAGED AND SUDDENLY MISS THAT DOCTOR'S VISIT. WELL, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU MISS THAT DOCTOR'S VISIT? THEY RESCHEDULE YOU FOR THREE MONTHS FROM NOW? WELL, THREE MONTHS FROM NOW YOUR MEDS ARE

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WE WERE ABLE TO JUST TO GET THEM BACK ON THEIR MEDICATIONS. WHAT THAT DOES IS AVOID A MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS FROM OCCURRING. WE CHECK BACK IN. THEY WERE ABLE TO MAKE AN APPOINTMENT WITH THEIR DOCTOR AND THE MEDS REFILLED WE GAVE THEM LASTED UNTIL THEY COULD GET BACK WITH THEIR DOCTOR. SO WHEN THE SYSTEM IS BROKEN, THE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM IS BROKEN.

WE'RE THERE TO HELP KIND OF GUIDE YOU, BRIDGE THAT GAP TO GET YOU BACK IN WITH YOUR DOCTOR AGAIN. AND I JUST WANTED TO PUT UP A COUPLE OF THESE COMMENTS HERE. THESE ARE ALL FROM PATIENTS IN THE LAST WEEK FROM GARLAND. JUST GENERAL COMMENTS. WE HAVE AN OPEN TEXT BOX THAT IF YOU WANT TO ESSENTIALLY LEAVE A COMMENT, WE ALLOW YOU TO LEAVE A COMMENT.

AND SO HERE'S JUST ANOTHER PAGE OF COMMENTS. I JUST IN CLOSING, I TOOK A COUPLE OF NOTES AS WELL. WE'VE OFFERED THIS TO THE COMMUNITY AT OUR COST FORESS THAN 90 DAYS. WE'RE ALREADY SEEING THAT UPTAKE THAT WE HAD HOPED FOR EARLY ON. WE'RE TREATING THE CONDITIONS THAT WE SET OUT TO TREAT THE FLU, THE URINARY INFECTIONS, THE CHRONIC DISEASE, THE MENTAL ILLNESS.

WE'VE HAD NO ADVERSE EVENTS AND WE'VE HAD A LOT OF POSITIVE FEEDBACK. WE HAVE AN AVERAGE RIGHT NOW IN GARLAND OF 9.5 OUT OF TEN ON ON OUR SURVEY PATIENTS, AND ABOUT 80% OF OUR PATIENTS WILL WILL FILL OUT THAT SURVEY. IS THIS A FULLY MATURE PROGRAM YET? NO, WE'RE TWO MONTHS IN. BUT IS THIS ON THE RIGHT TRACK TO BE THAT. ABSOLUTELY. AND SO I THINK AS COUNCIL GOES ALONG. I THINK THE QUESTION IS, ISN'T ASK, HAVE WE SOLVED GARLAND'S HEALTH CARE CRISIS IN THE LAST TWO MONTHS? I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THE ANSWER IS THAT NO, BUT ARE WE ON THE RIGHT TRACK TO FILL THE GAP FROM THE THE THE FAILED GARLAND HOSPITAL LEFT BEHIND? AND I THINK WE ABSOLUTELY ARE. WE'RE RIGHT ON THAT TRACK TO FILL THAT GAP THAT THAT HOSPITAL HAD LEFT BEHIND. AND WE'RE REALLY SEEING A LOT OF SUCCESS HERE IN THE COMMUNITY. SO SO THAT'S IT.

I KNOW WE'VE HAD A LONG NIGHT. WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER KIND OF QUESTIONS FROM FROM COUNCIL AND GO FROM THERE. ALL UP, COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS. YES, SIR. LAKE. BUT I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. YOU MENTIONED IN YOUR INTRODUCTION THAT THE COST YOU HEARD SOME OF THE TESTIMONY TONIGHT, BOTH HERE AND OVER THERE, AND YOU MENTIONED $60 FOR $6, AND YOU MENTIONED THAT WHAT IT WOULD COST YOU IF YOU OFFERED $60, YOU'RE AN OPT IN OR OPT OUT. WOULD YOU EXPLAIN THAT TO ME? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. AND YOU CAN LOOK AROUND AND SHOP AROUND. THERE IS NO HEALTH CARE COMPANY OFFERING AN UNLIMITED SERVICE ANYWHERE CLOSE TO THE PRICE POINT OF $6.

IT'S EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE TO OFFER UNLIMITED HEALTHCARE. TO OFFER THIS, YOU'VE GOT TO REALIZE THAT 80% OF PEOPLE DON'T THINK ABOUT THEIR HEALTH CARE TO THE MOMENT THEY NEED IT.

AND SO WHAT AN OPT IN MODEL WOULD LOOK LIKE IF WE IF WE ENTERTAIN THAT IDEA THAT NO ONE WOULD SIGN UP FOR THE SERVICE UNTIL THE MOMENT THEY NEED IT, WELL, THE MOMENT THEY NEED IT, GUESS WHAT? YOU GOT TO GO SIGN UP THROUGH YOUR UTILITY BILL. YOU'VE GOT TO WAIT 30 DAYS FOR IT TO TURN IT BACK ON, AND ANOTHER 30 DAYS TO GET IT BACK WON'T WORK. SO I CAN'T UTILIZE THE BACKBONE, THE INFRASTRUCTURE BUILT OF THE BILLING SYSTEM OF THE UTILITIES IN ORDER TO DO THAT. BECAUSE I'M UTILIZING THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT GARLAND'S ALREADY BUILT, I'M ABLE TO PASS THAT COST SAVINGS ALONG DIRECTLY TO THE PATIENT AND GET A PRICE POINT OF $6. IF I HAD TO BUILD THAT INFRASTRUCTURE, THAT BUILDING INFRASTRUCTURE, AND WAIT TILL EVERYONE AT THE MOMENT DECIDED TO NEED IT IN ORDER TO HAVE THE DOCTORS HIRED THE PHYSICIAN ASSISTANTS HIRED, THE NURSE PRACTITIONERS HIRED TO TO SERVICE THE AREA SIZE OF THE GARLAND. THE ONLY WAY TO BE ABLE TO SUSTAIN THAT IS IF I CHARGED A PRICE POINT OF $60 PER MONTH. IT'S JUST NOT POSSIBLE TO DO ALL THAT AT THE PRICE POINT WE'RE OFFERING.

WHAT YOU'RE DOING IN OTHER CITIES. WE JUST DON'T DO IT. I SET OUT ON A MISSION AS A DOCTOR TO OFFER HEALTH CARE TO PEOPLE THAT NORMALLY COULD NEVER AFFORD IT, AND $60 IS NOT AFFORDABLE TO THE TO THE GROUP THAT I'M TRYING TO REACH. IF YOU CAN AFFORD $60, THAT'S ALMOST LIKE A CONCIERGE LEVEL CARE. YOU PROBABLY ALREADY HAVE INSURANCE. NOW, I DEBATE THAT THAT THAT OUR SERVICE IS BETTER THAN WHAT YOUR INSURANCE MIGHT OFFER FOR FOR TELEHEALTH. BUT NONETHELESS, I'M NOT REACHING THE THE DEMOGRAPHIC OF PEOPLE, THE SINGLE MOM WORKING TWO JOBS,

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I PROMISE YOU, WE'RE HAVING DEEP DISCUSSIONS WITH GISD. WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF OF ROLLING THIS OUT TO THEIR COMMUNITY. WAS IT INSTANTANEOUS? NO, BUT BUT ABSOLUTELY NO. NO ONE'S INFORMED ME THAT GISD IS NOT PARTAKING IN THIS PROGRAM. AND 30% OF THE THE COMMUNITY WE'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW ARE SCHOOL AGED CHILDREN. SO NO ONE'S INFORMED ME THAT THEY'RE OUT. WE'VE GOT MEETINGS SET UP THIS NEXT WEEK WITH LEADERSHIP AT GISD. AND I THINK WE'RE ALREADY SEEING SEEING AWARENESS AND UTILIZATION IN THE IN THE COMMUNITY. OKAY. AND LASTLY, YOU'VE HEARD YOU'VE HEARD SOME TERMS USED TO DESCRIBE THIS PROGRAM. I'M JUST JUST QUOTING NOW YOU USE TERMS LIKE FRAUDULENT AND DECEPTIVE. YOU HEARD THOSE TERMINOLOGIES RESPOND TO ME. YEAH. COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS, I'M AN E.R. DOCTOR, 20 YEARS. I'M THE HEALTH AUTHORITY FOR ROCKWALL COUNTY. I'VE DEDICATED MY LIFE TO SERVING THE PUBLIC IN THE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT. I DON'T EVEN ACKNOWLEDGE THOSE COMMENTS. THEY'RE INSULTING. THEY'RE NOT TRUE. I DON'T I DON'T EVEN PAY ANY ATTENTION. WHAT CHANGES WOULD YOU MAKE AT THIS TIME? SINCE WE ARE IN THE STAGE OF EVALUATING THE OUTREACH BEFORE WE SEAL THE DEAL, WHAT CHANGES WOULD YOU MAKE BASED ON COMMENTS YOU'VE HEARD, ANY CHANGES YOU'D MAKE? I THINK SOME OF SOME OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS AT NO FAULT OF COUNCIL AND REALLY NO FAULT TO ANYONE. I THINK WHAT HAD HAPPENED IS COUNCIL COULD NOT SET A CLEAR LAUNCH DATE FOR THIS BECAUSE OF A TECHNICAL REASON, A TECHNICAL ISSUE. AND IF FROM DAY ONE WHEN THIS WAS VOTED IN, COUNCIL WAS ABLE TO SAY THIS IS GOING ON A ON A UTILITY BILL ON JANUARY, ON THE JANUARY UTILITY BILL, EVERYONE WOULD WOULD KNOW IS COMING. YOU COULD GIVE THEM A FIRM DATE WHEN IT WAS COMING. YOU COULD CREATE THAT AWARENESS AND PEOPLE THAT WANTED TO OPT OUT, YOU COULD GET OUT. BUT UNFORTUNATELY, BECAUSE OF A TECHNICAL ISSUE THAT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S BEING RESOLVED, COUNCIL COULDN'T GIVE THAT. AND SO I THINK IT'S CREATED CONFUSION. I THINK IT'S CREATED SOME DISTRUST. BUT I'LL TELL YOU, WORD'S GETTING OUT. WE'RE SEEING IT IN UTILIZATION. WE'RE SEEING IT IN OPT OUTS. WE'RE SEEING IT IN IN PEOPLE SHOWING UP TO COUNCIL. I DON'T REALLY THINK WE'RE GOING TO SUFFER FROM A LACK OF AWARENESS. NOW, COULD WE HAVE LAUNCHED THIS BETTER? PROBABLY. BUT I THINK PART OF IT WAS DUE TO A TECHNICAL ISSUE THAT THAT WAS AT NO CONTROL OF COUNCIL. DO YOU THINK IT'S ALL IT CONNECTED RIGHT. NO. I THINK THAT CREATED AN INABILITY TO MESSAGE. I DON'T THINK YOU CAN PUT IT AT

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EXCUSE ME. UP TO THE CITY OF GARLAND. I THINK WHEN WE SET OUT AND CONTRACTED THIS IN, THE IDEA WAS THAT THERE WERE GOING TO BE FAMILY MEMBERS, FAMILIES THAT REALLY COULDN'T AFFORD $6 A MONTH, AND THAT GARLAND WOULD HAVE A THIRD PARTY NONPROFIT DECIDE WHO WHO WE COULD ALSO GET ON THE SYSTEM THAT COULDN'T AFFORD IT. BUT IT'S NOT LIMITED TO THAT. IF GARLAND WANTED TO DO SOME SOME OUTREACH AND SEND ADDITIONAL FLIERS THAT THE ESCROW ACCOUNT COULD COVER THAT AS WELL. SO IT'S REALLY UP TO GARLAND HOW THAT MONEY IS USED. AND THERE'S NOT ANY SET TERMS ON LIMITATIONS ON HOW YOU COULD USE THAT IN OUR IN OUR LAST MEETING, ONE OF THE THINGS THEY ASSURED US WAS THAT THE EXPENSES WERE OCCURRING. NOW TO OPT PEOPLE OUT, WERE KEEPING TRACK OF THOSE HOURS AND THAT THOSE FUNDS COULD BE USED OUT OF THE ESCROW TO COVER THE STAFF TIME. AND WE ADDRESSED THAT IN THE LAST CALL. THE FACT THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY INCURRING STAFF TIME AND THE PUBLIC SHOULD NOT BE PAYING FOR ANY O THE TIME TO OPT PEOPLE OUT BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE CONTRACTS WERE WRITTEN. AND THEY'VE THEY'VE TOLD US TO KEEP TRACK OF THAT TIME AND TO BUILD AGAINST ESCROW. GREAT. THANK YOU. AND THEN WILL YOU GO TO THE SLIDE THAT HAS THE DOOR HANGERS ON IT? YEAH. SO WHEN PEOPLE UTILIZE THOSE THAT WAS THE ONE. YEAH. SO WHEN PEOPLE UTILIZE THIS QR CODE IS THEIR OPT OUT INFORMATION ON THE PAGE

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THERE'S SOME VERBIAGE ON SOME ON THE OPT OUT INFORMATION. AND THEN SOME OF THE QR CODES TAKE YOU LIKE DOCTOR PERRY SAID TO THAT FAQ PAGE. AND THEN ON SOME FLIERS, DEPENDING ON, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S MORE OF LIKE A TRY IT NOW SORT OF VERBIAGE, THEN THAT WILL SAVE A CONTACT FOR TELEHEALTH IN YOUR PHONE. I WOULD LIKE I MEAN, ANYTIME THERE'S A REFERENCE TO A WEBSITE, I WOULD LIKE OPT OUT INFORMATION INCLUDED, JUST, YOU KNOW, FOR PEOPLE'S INFORMATION.

OBVIOUSLY IF THEY'RE IF THEY'RE GOING TO TRY THE, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE INTERESTED IN TRYING IT AND THEY'RE GOING TO THAT, THEN THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO TRY IT AND NOT OPT OUT. BUT I WOULD STILL LIKE FOR THAT INFORMATION TO BE AVAILABLE TO THEM. OUR LANDING PAGE SPECIFICALLY FOR GARLAND, ANYTHING THAT TAKES YOU TO A LANDING PAGE WEBSITE IS IS FRONT AND CENTER. HOW TO OPT OUT? PERFECT FAQ. GREAT. THANK YOU. I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK Y'ALL HAVE BEEN DOING. KEEP IT UP! GOT A LOT MORE TO DO. AND YOU KNOW, I'LL BE HAVING MY TOWN HALL ON APRIL 3RD AND BOTH PATHWAYS WILL BE THERE. SO WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT IT THEN AND AND CONTINUE ALL THE DISCUSSIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I JUST I REALLY THINK THIS PROGRAM IS WONDERFUL AND WILL REALLY, TRULY HELP A LOT OF PEOPLE. SO THANKS. THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU MA'AM. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COUNCILMEMBER MOORE THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. GOOD EVENING GENTLEMEN. GOOD TO SEE ALL THREE OF YOU AGAIN. QUESTION IS, YOU SAID THAT THERE ARE 5000.

THIS MAY BE SOMETHING TO STAFF. THERE ARE SOME 5000 OPT OUTS. HOW MANY OPT INS. SO AGAIN IT'S NOT AN OPT IN PROGRAM. BUT WHAT I DID TALK ABOUT TODAY IS THAT WE'VE GIVEN HEALTH CARE TO 3400 SO FAR. TO DATE WE'RE SEEING ABOUT FOUR FOUR TIMES FROM LAST MONTH TO THIS MONTH ULIZATION.

BUT THERE'S THERE'S NOT LIKE AN OPT IN. IT'S EITHER YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE A MEDICAL ISSUE TO TRY IT. 10,000 THAT YOU WERE GOING TO DO THIS FREE TO. I GUESS THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING ABOUT THE OPT IN. I SUSPECT OUR GOAL WAS TO LIMIT IT TO A TOTAL OF OF 10,000 USES. AND SO YOU YOU CAN IMAGINE IF, IF TEN, 10,000 FAMILIES WERE GIVEN THIS, IT YOU DON'T HAVE YOU MAY NOT HAVE AN IMMEDIATE NEED TO TO USE IT RIGHT AWAY. AND SO WE'VE GOT TO TRY TO LIMIT IT TO 10,000 USES.

AND WE'RE COMING UP HOPEFULLY TO TO MEET THAT AS WE OFFICIALLY LAUNCH ON THE ON THE UTILITY BILL. I'M ASKING THAT BECAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 5000 THAT WE CAN IDENTIFY HAVE OPTED OUT. IT WOULD BE VERY INTERESTING TO KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND IT. YOU KNOW, IF YOU GOT 3000 THAT'S CALLS. BUT HOW DO WE ENGAGE THAT? AND THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR. I'M LOOKING FOR SOMETHING THAT DURING THESE NEXT FEW MONTHS TO SAY, OKAY, THIS SERVICE IS SUCH THAT IF MANY PEOPLE OPTED OUT, AS MANY PEOPLE OPTED IN, SEEMS THAT THERE IS A VERY GOOD RANGE OF PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO REALLY WANT TO USE THE PROGRAM, AND I DON'T SEE THAT PRESENTLY, BUT NEITHER HERE NOR THERE. WE'VE STILL GOT TIME TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. WELL, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU GOT TO REMEMBER IS IT'S HARD BECAUSE WE'RE NOT OFFERING THIS TO 250,000 PEOPLE TODAY. I CAN'T AFFORD TO DO THAT AS A COMPANY, ESPECIALLY FOR SIX MONTHS. AND SO WE'VE HAD TO LIMIT THOSE NUMBERS AND SO THAT THE NUMBERS ARE GOING TO BE LIMITED, BECAUSE THIS IS A SOFT ROLLOUT TO A LIMITED NUMBER OF FAMILIES TO GET FEEDBACK AND LET PEOPLE TRY IT. BUT THE INTENTION WASN'T EVER IN THE CONTRACT FOR THIS TO BE A LITMUS TEST TO CONTINUE THE SERVICE IN THE COMMUNITY. SO WHAT IS THE LITMUS TEST? THERE'S NOT I MEAN, IN THE CONTRACT, IT SAYS THAT THAT THIS WAS TO GO ON A WATER BILL AND THAT WE WOULD COME BACK AND REPORT TO COUNCIL ON UTILIZATION AND METRICS OVER TIME. BUT THERE WASN'T A LITMUS TEST SET IN THE CONTRACT TO ACTUALLY MAKE MAKE THE ROLLOUT HAPPEN. ANDND AND I HOPE I'M NOT BEING PUNISHED FOR TRYING TO GET GARLAND THROUGH FLU SEASON AT MY COST. WE'VE DONE IT AT GREAT EXPENSE ON OUR END TO DO THIS, BUT WE JUST CAN'T AFFORD TO DO IT TO THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY. IT'S JUST COST

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YOU WOULD MAKE THEM AWARE OF HOW IMPORTANT YOUR PLAN IS TO THEM. AND THEN IF THEY FIND THAT PLAN TO BE VIABLE AND THEY THEMSELVES WOULD OPT INTO IT, VERSUS A SITUATION OF WHAT WE HAVE PRESENTLY, NOW THAT'S YOUR MODEL. WE AGREED TO THAT AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE PRESENTLY.

BUT AGAIN, I STILL HAVE VERY MUCH CONCERNS AS IT RELATES TO THE MANNER BY WHICH THE PLAN HAS COME TO US. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU, SIR. COUNCILMEMBER THOMAS, SO YOU HAD A SLIDE THAT SHOWED 3300 USES, I BELIEVE WAS THE NUMBER. RIGHT THERE.ND SO IS THAT 3300 UNIQUE INDIVIDUAL CUSTOMER ACCOUNTS. AND MAYBE THIS IS A QUESTION FOR MR. SLAY. OR ARE THERE REPEAT CUSTOMERS THAT HAVE CALLED MORE THAN ONCE. HOW DO WE GAUGE THAT 33 NUMBER. IS THAT ONE HOUSEHOLD THAT'S CALLED YOU 3300 TIMES, OR IS THAT HOW HOW DO WE WHAT DO WE DO WITH THAT RIGHT NOW IS ON AVERAGE, SOMEONE THAT USES OUR SERVICE HAS ALREADY USED IT AT 1.2 TIMES IF YOU AVERAGE IT OUT. SO YOU COULD COME UP WITH UNIQUE. IF YOU COULD DO SOME MATH THIS LATE AT NIGHT, YOU CAN COME UP WITH THOSE UNIQUE NUMBERS. BUT ON AVERAGE, SOMEONE HAS USED OUR SERVICE 1.2 TIMES. OKAY, SO IT'S SOMEWHERE MORE LIKE ONE STILL SOUTH OF 3000 THEN SOMEWHERE, IF WE TAKE 10% OFF OF THAT. SO AND REALIZING THIS ISN'T THIS ISN'T AVAILABLE TO 250,000 PEOPLE, I AND THIS IS KIND OF THAT SOFT ROLLOUT. SO I, I THINK GARLAND SHOULD BE BE I THINK LOOKING AT THIS, THIS IS LOOKING LIKE A PRETTY SUCCESSFUL ROLLOUT FOR SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN BEEN LESS THAN 90 DAYS. AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS ON STAFF AT BAYLOR GARLAND, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS KNOW WHAT THE AVERAGE ER VISITS PER DAY WERE THERE, BUT THEY WERE LESS THAN 100 WHEN I WAS ON STAFF THERE. AND SO THAT GIVES YOU SOME CONTEXT OF, OF WHAT YOUR OWN E.R. SAW IN THE COMMUNITY WHEN IT WAS OPEN.

OKAY. SO I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. WE ARE WE ARE EARLY IN THE ROLLOUT. WE'RE EARLY IN THE YOU KNOW, THE INFORMATIONAL CAMPAIGN HAS JUST GOTTEN STARTED. YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, WELL, YOU'RE NOT TELLING PEOPLE. WELL, WE JUST GOT STARTED TELLING PEOPLE AND FIRST UTILITY BILL, INSERT SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE EXPLAINED TONIGHT ABOUT GOING TO CHURCHES AND, AND THE DOOR TO DOOR THINGS. SO I THINK THAT THAT IS THE AWARENESS THAT'S OUT THERE THAT WE'LL SEE START TO SEE BOTH OF THOSE NUMBERS GROW, ESPECIALLY AS WE GO THROUGH FLU SEASON HERE. IS THAT. ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. YEAH. IN FLU SEASON TYPICALLY IS A HIGH UTILIZATION TIME ACROSS ACROSS THE BOARD FOR US. AND MOST DOCTOR'S OFFICE ERS URGENT CARES ARE ARE OVERLOADED. AND I'LL JUST GIVE YOU A LITTLE INSIGHT. I JUST WORKED A NIGHT SHIFT LAST NIGHT AND OUR WAITING ROOM WAS PACKED WITH FLU. YET I'M CARING FOR SOMEONE THAT'S JUST SHOT IN THE FACE AND HAVE TO WALK BACK OVER TO A TWO YEAR OLD THAT HAS A COUGH, AND THEN CHECK ON A MOM WITH TWO KIDS WITH A RASH. AND I DON'T KNOW IF PEOPLE REALIZE, LIKE OUR ERS ARE LOADED WITH EVERYDAY HEALTH CARE. AND YET I'VE GOT A HOMELESS GUY THAT WANTS TO KILL HIMSELF IN THE WAITING ROOM, SOMEONE THAT JUST GOT SHOT IN THE FACE IN THE BACK. AND YET THERE'S YOUNG KIDS WITH MINOR ILLNESSES THAT SHOULDN'T BE THERE. AND I WISH YOU GUYS COULD SHADOW. AND I KNOW YOU'VE SEEN THE TV SHOWS. WE ALL THINK IT'S PROBABLY NOT REAL, AND SOMETIMES IT'S OVEREXAGGERATED. BUT THESE ARE OUR LOCAL HOSPITALS AND ERS AND WHAT WE'RE SEEING. AND IF WE CAN CARE FOR SOMEONE AT HOME AND NOT EXPOSE THEM TO THAT,

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