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HOW ABOUT NOW? YOU'RE, YOU'RE LIVE NOW.
I'M LAURA DELA VEGA WITH THE OFFICE OF NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY.
UM, AND THIS MORNING WE ARE GOING TO REVIEW, UM, GO OVER THE MATCHING GRANT GUIDELINES, UM, AFTER THE PREVIOUS SCOPING MEETING THAT WE HAD.
SO, UH, LET'S JUST GO AHEAD AND DIVE INTO IT.
SO I KIND OF PUT TOGETHER JUST A FOLLOW-UP ITEMS SLIDE.
UM, THE PREVIOUS COMMITTEE MEETING, UM, WE JUST, SOME ACTION ITEMS WE DISCUSSED CLARIFYING THE ELIGIBILITY OF REPLACING OR UPGRADING AMENITIES OR ASSETS THAT HAVE OUTLIVED THEIR USEFUL LIFE.
UM, WE ALSO DISCUSSED CONSIDERING, UM, ALLOWING TREES AS ELIGIBLE PROJECT COMPONENTS.
UM, AND THEN ALSO INCLUDING THE REQUIREMENT OF PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE OF A PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE SIGN, UM, WITH AMENITY OR ASSETS THAT PEOPLE INTERACT WITH.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, UM, IT WAS SAID TO THE RESEARCH THE IMPLICATIONS OF INCLUDING THE FOLLOWING ITEMS AS, UM, ELIGIBLE PROJECTS THROUGH MATCHING GRANTS.
UM, SO THAT INCLUDES CROSSWALKS AND SECURITY CAMERAS.
UM, SO I HAVE SOME, UM, PORT BACKS ON THAT RESEARCH.
SO I'M GONNA SHARE A BIT ABOUT MY DISCUSSIONS WITH, UH, VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS.
UM, AND THEN, UM, REGARDING THE, UM, PREVIOUS ITEMS, I WENT AHEAD AND JUST REDLINED THE GUIDELINES FOR Y'ALL.
UM, JUST INCORPORATING, UM, THE, UM, THE DISCUSSIONS AND THE CHANGES THAT WE MADE.
UM, SO AFTER WE DISCUSSED THE, UM, THE REPORT BACK THEN WE WILL, UM, IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS OR ISSUES, WE'LL DIVE INTO THE GUIDELINES.
UM, SO REGARDING THE CROSSWALKS, UM, I SPOKE WITH THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT AND HE STATED THAT CROSSWALKS ARE AN ONGOING COST.
UM, HE SAID THAT IF, UM, IT, IF IT, IF THEY ARE MADE AWARE THAT A INTERSECTION NEEDS A CROSSWALK, UM, THOSE INTERSECTIONS ARE EVALUATED INDIVIDUALLY, UM, TO DETERMINE IF CROSSWALKS ARE WARRANTED SAFE, UM, IF THEY'LL BE SOLVING A PROBLEM OR CREATING A PROBLEM.
UM, SO WITH THAT, AND SPECIFICALLY WITH THE, UM, STATEMENT THAT, UM, HE MADE THAT CROSSWALKS ARE AN ONGOING COST, UM, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT MAYBE A DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCE MIGHT BE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR, UM, FOR THIS EFFORT.
UM, SO I'LL PAUSE FOR ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE I MOVE ON TO SECURITY CAMERAS.
UM, REGARDING SECURITY CAMERAS, I SPOKE WITH GARLAND POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THEY CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE A COST SHARE PROGRAM FOR SECURITY CAMERAS.
UM, THEY ALSO STATED THAT THEY DON'T HAVE PLANS TO INSTILL A PROGRAM, A COST SHARE PROGRAM FOR SECURITY CAMERAS AS WELL.
UM, I ALSO SPOKE WITH, UM, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, UM, AND THEY, UH, MENTIONED THAT MATCHING GRANT FUNDS, UM, THEY WOULDN'T RECOMMEND IT FOR THIS TYPE, UH, FOR INSTALLING SECURITY CAMERAS.
IS THAT SPECIFIC TO SECURITY CAMERAS AND NOT FLOCK? 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, UM, NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WANTED TO ADD FLOCK.
UM, SO THAT IS SPECIFIC TO COMMU, UH, SECURITY CAMERAS.
UM, I DID SPEAK WITH, UM, UH, I, I'M TERRIBLE AT RANKINGS.
WE JUST CALL HIM A FINE, MY AP MY APOLOGIES.
UM, AND, UM, JUST TO LEARN A BIT MORE ABOUT FLOCK, UM, HE DID SAY THAT THERE IS ONE NEIGHBORHOOD WHO AT THEIR OWN COST INSTALLED FLOCK CAMERAS.
UM, NOW HE DID, UM, AND YOU MAY KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS THAN I DID, I WASN'T AWARE OF WHAT FLOCK CAMERAS WERE, UM, UNTIL YOU MENTIONED THEM.
UM, HOWEVER, HE DID MENTION THAT FLOCK CAMERAS WERE, UH, NOT LIVE FEEDS.
THEY WERE, UM, THEY TOOK STILL IMAGES.
UM, THEY WOULD REQUIRE TWO CAMERAS PER INTERSECTION, UM, JUST TO CAPTURE THE COMING AND GOING OF, UM, VEHICLES.
UM, THE ONE NEIGHBORHOOD WHO DID INSTALL IT, UM, ONLY HAD TWO ENTRANCES TO THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS.
UM, AND SO, UM, IT'S FOR NEIGHBORHOODS THAT DO NOT HAVE THAT RESTRICTED ACCESS, UM, IT MAY
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NOT BE AS BENEFICIAL, UM, ESPECIALLY SINCE THEY WOULD HAVE TO INSTALLSO, UM, IT, THAT WAS THE INFORMATION THAT I FOUND, UM, REGARDING FLOCK CAMERAS.
UM, SO NOW WE ARE, UH, GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH KIND OF WALKING YOU THROUGH THE, UM, GUIDELINES.
AGAIN, AS MENTIONED, I WENT AHEAD AND JUST PROVIDED REDLINE VERSIONS, UM, FOR YOU ALL.
SO IT'S EASY TO SEE THE DIFFERENCES OR THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE.
UM, IF IT'S NOT REDLINE, IT WAS PREVIOUSLY THERE.
UM, SO IF YOU WILL ALL LOOK WITH ME ON PAGE TWO.
UM, STARTING WITH PROJECT ELIGIBILITY, UM, WE, UM, I ADDED THE PORTION NEW, OH, LET ME GO AHEAD AND PULL THIS UP AS WELL.
CAN EVERYBODY SEE THE GUIDELINES? PERFECT.
UM, SO REGARDING PROJECT ELIGIBILITIES, UM, I ADDED THE PORTION, NEW AMENITIES SUCH AS RECREATIONAL IMPROVEMENTS, PAVILIONS, PICNIC TABLES, ET CETERA, MUST BE PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE, DISPLAYING A PERMANENT SIGN STATING THE NEW AMENITY IS OPEN FOR PUBLIC USE DURING NORMAL OPERATIONAL HOURS.
UM, I ADDED THE NORMAL OPERATIONAL HOURS JUST BECAUSE SIMILAR TO PUBLIC PARKS, UM, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC PARKS HAVE OPERATIONAL HOURS, I'M SURE, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS WILL NOT WANT GUESTS UTILIZING THEIR FACILITIES THREE IN THE MORNING, TWO IN THE MORNING, WHAT HAVE YOU.
SO, UM, SO THIS WAS TO ADDRESS THE, UM, THE REQUEST FOR, UM, THE, THE PERMANENT SIGN.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THAT ADDITION? MOVING ON TO MAINTENANCE TYPE PROJECT PROJECTS, THIS WAS TO ADDRESS THE DISCUSSION ON, UM, REPLACING ITEMS OR UPGRADES OR REPLACING ITEMS THAT HAVE OUTLIVED THEIR USEFUL LIFE.
SO THIS KIND OF PROVIDES SOME CLARITY.
UM, SO IN THE MAINTENANCE SECTION, I ADDED, REPLACING EXISTING ASSETS OR AMENITIES THAT HAVE OUTLIVED THEIR USEFUL LIFE ACCORDING TO INDUSTRY STANDARDS MAY BE CONSIDERED ELIGIBLE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
UM, I ADDED THIS, THIS VERBIAGE JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DON'T KNOW.
AND SO, UM, WE THINK THAT NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS MIGHT APPLY FOR UPGRADING OR REPLACING CERTAIN ASSETS, BUT, UM, WE CAN BE CERTAINLY BE SURPRISED.
SO THIS IS TO KIND OF HELP US WADE THROUGH THAT.
AND IF LATER WE WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
UM, THIS GIVES US A BIT OF DISCRETION IN THAT AREA.
UM, REGARDING LANDSCAPING, UM, I ADDED THE TREES WITH 20 PLUS A YEAR LIFESPAN, HOWEVER, ARE ALLOWED AS ELIGIBLE PROJECT COMPONENTS.
UM, AND THEN JUST THROUGHOUT THE GUIDELINES, UM, JUST ADDED THE ACCEPT TREES OR NOT INCLUDING TREES OR THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
UM, AND THEN IF, WE'LL MOVING ON TO PAGE THREE OF SIX, GOING TO THE TABLE OF ELIGIBLE, NOT ELIGIBLE, UM, GOING THROUGH THE ELIGIBLE FIRST, UM, SPEED HUNTS WAS AT THE TOP.
I JUST SIMPLY MOVE THOSE DOWN TO THE BOTTOM.
UM, TO ADD NEIGHBORHOOD IDENTITY SIGNS, UM, TYPICALLY NEIGHBORHOOD IDENTITY SIGNS ARE AT THE ENTRYWAYS.
HOWEVER, WE DIDN'T WANT TO RESTRICT THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN CASE THEY WANTED TO DO SOMETHING SPECIAL IN A COMMON AREA OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
SO JUST TO KIND OF ALLOW THAT FREEDOM.
UM, I REMOVED NEW CONSTRUCTION FROM ENTRY FEATURES AND, UH, COMMON AREA RECREATIONAL IMPROVEMENTS IN LIGHT OF THE, UM, UPGRADES REPLACEMENT DISCUSSION, UM, AS WELL AS I REMOVE THE NEW INSTALLATION FOR SAFETY LIGHTING.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS ON THE ELIGIBLE BEFORE MOVING TO INELIGIBLE? I DO HAVE A QUESTION ON THE SPEED HUMPS.
UM, SO ONE THING THAT I'VE COME TO REALIZE IS THAT THE PAINT ON SPEED HUMPS, UM, WEARS OFF FAIRLY QUICKLY IN HIGH TRAFFIC AREAS.
SO DO WE HAVE ANYTHING, UM, WRITTEN ABOUT WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THE PAINT THAT I, SO THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THE SPEED HUMPS? LIKE WE'VE GOT ONE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT I KNOW IT'S THERE.
I STILL FLY OVER IT EVERY TIME 'CAUSE THERE'S NO PAINT ON IT TO REMIND ME.
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HAVE ANYTHING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT PAINTING THE SPEED HUMPS.UM, NOW THAT COULD FALL UNDER JUST GENERAL MAINTENANCE OF, OF THE SPEED HUMP.
UM, I MEAN THE STRUCTURE ITSELF THAT I BELIEVE WOULD BE JUST CONS LOOPED IN, UM, TO THE MAINTENANCE OF STREETS AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
BUT AS FAR AS PAINTING GOES, I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE, UH, RESPONSIBILITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP.
AND THAT COULD BE, UM, UNLESS OTHERWISE DEC DECIDED, I, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD BE THE SPEED PUMP OF THEM DID NOT HAVE ANY, THEY USED TO BE BLACK WITH WHITE HERE.
GRAY WITH ES I JUST SAID IN REQUEST.
IT'S NOT BECAUSE IT'S GOT REFLECTIVE IN IT.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF
SO SPEED HUMPS WOULD GO THROUGH THE NORMAL TRANSPORTATION PROCESS.
SO IF THAT'S THE NORMAL TRANSPORTATION PROCESS, THEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD PAID FOR THE 1518, YOU'RE RIGHT TO GET THEM INSTALLED.
THEY CAN GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, BUT HENCE AFTER THAT, IT'S, IT'S MY APOLOGIES FOR THAT.
AND THE ONLY REASON I ASKED IS BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAD THE DISCUSSION ABOUT ONGOING MAINTENANCE ITEMS NOT BEING PART OF IT, AND SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT WE WERE MINDFUL OF THAT PORTION OF IT.
SO, SO YOU HAD AN, OH LISTEN, A CUSTOMER SERVICE, BLESS THEM.
WE KNOW CARISSA, THEY'RE LIKE, SOMEONE TAKE AWAY HER S THANK YOU.
MOVING ON TO NOT ELIGIBLE ITEMS. UM, SO FOR UNDER NOT ELIGIBLE ITEMS, STREET UH, CONSTRUCTION REPAIRS, WE ARE, SORRY, WE, I ADDED STREET TO SIDEWALK CONSTRUCTION REPAIRS.
UM, SIMPLY BECAUSE WE ARE MOVING JUST, WE'VE BEEN MOVING AWAY FROM INFRASTRUCTURE TYPE PROJECTS WITH MATCHING GRANT FUNDS IN ADDITION TO, UM, JUST HAVING TO COORDINATE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT SURE WHEN STREETS ARE GONNA BE REPLACED OR OVERLAID OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
AND SO, UM, JUST TO, THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE ALREADY BEEN DOING IN THE PAST AND SO JUST KIND OF ADDING IT, UM, JUST LISTING IT OUT FOR FURTHER CLARIFICATION.
UM, REGARDING COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH VEGETATION OR SOFT SCAPING, UM, I JUST INCLUDED THE, NOT INCLUDING TREES, UM, FOR THE UPGRADES SECTION.
UM, I CHANGED THE VERBIAGE TO UPGRADES OR REPLACEMENTS OF ASSETS OR AMENITIES THAT HAVE NOT OUTLIVED THEIR USEFUL LIFE.
UM, SO THAT'S SPEAKING TO, IF IT'S STILL, YOU KNOW, WORKING GOOD, YOU KNOW, IN GOOD FUNCTION, THEN YOU KNOW IT'S NOT ELIGIBLE TO REPLACE OR UPGRADE THAT.
UM, AND THEN MOVING DOWN TO REPLACEMENT OF, UM, ASSETS OR AMENITIES PREVIOUSLY FUNDED THROUGH MATCHING GRANT PROGRAM THAT HAVE NOT OUTLIVED ITS USEFUL LIFE.
AND SO THAT'S BECAUSE, UM, THIS PROGRAM IS ABOUT 20 YEARS OLD, SO IT IS POSSIBLE THAT SOME ITEMS THAT WERE PAID FOR THROUGH MATCHING GRANT HAVE OUTLIVED THEIR USEFUL LIFE.
SO, UM, BUT WHAT WE WANT TO AVOID ARE, UM, ITEMS THAT NEIGHBORHOODS APPLIED FOR A FEW YEARS AGO.
THEY JUST WANT SOMETHING DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT.
SO THAT WAS THE REASONING BEHIND THAT ITEM.
SO, UM, I'LL PAUSE FOR QUESTIONS.
UM, SO THE THIRD ONE FROM THE TOP SAYS REPAIR OR MAINTENANCE FACILITIES, UM, NOT ELIGIBLE.
SO I'M THINKING OF THE REPAIR PART MORE THAN THE MAINTENANCE.
LET'S SAY YOU'VE GOT THE, TO THE SUBDIVISION, THEY'VE GOT THE, ONE OF 'EM IS FALLEN DOWN P TO FIX THE HALF OF THE BRICKS OF HAIR TO FIX THAT.
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TO TAKE CARE OF THAT.AND THAT, UM, SO YOU'RE SUGGESTING THAT THE REPAIR OF SAID SCREENING MALL SHOULD BE ELIGIBLE? I WOULD THINK SO, RIGHT.
'CAUSE WE'RE NOT, IT'S NOT, 'CAUSE TECHNICALLY IT'S A REPAIR 'CAUSE IT WOULDN'T BE PLACED.
UM, ESPECIALLY AS COUNCIL, WE'VE BEEN TALKING A LOT ABOUT, UM, BEAUTIFICATION THINGS THAT WE CAN, THAT WE CAN AT A LOW COST, UM, HELP JUST KIND OF REVAMP THE CITY AS A WHOLE.
AND I, THOSE ARE PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST TACKY THINGS.
UM, WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN SHILOH AND YOU SEE RETAINING WALLS THAT ARE JUST CRUMBLING AND IT'S TYPICALLY BECAUSE THE CAR WENT THROUGH IT AND I'M SURE THAT OR JUST WEATHER.
YEAH, SOME OF 'EM WATER GETS IN THAT FREEZER.
OR BECAUSE THE WHOLE OBJECTIVE FOR THIS, THE WHOLE OBJECTIVE IS TO MOVE.
SO WE NEED TO JUST KEEP THAT IN.
RULES ARE HERE SO THAT WE DON'T JUST FUND THINGS THAT DON'T REALLY NEED TO FUND IT.
BUT YOU THINK GOVERNMENT BEAUTIFUL.
I THINK, I THINK, I THINK, UH, REPAIR EXISTING STRUCTURE, QUALIFIED.
MAY I JUST, JUST A COUPLE THINGS ON THAT.
SO, UM, A LOT OF THE, A LOT OF THE PARAMETERS THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE ARE DUE TO THE FUNDING SOURCE.
AND SO WHATEVER WE SPEND THIS FUNDING ON HAS TO BE CAPITALIZED.
IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING THAT, THAT REPAIRS GENERALLY SPEAKING, AREN'T THINGS THAT CAN BE CAPITALIZED.
NOW, THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS TO BIG CAPITAL REPAIR PROJECTS.
I UNDERSTAND MOST OF THE TIME THOUGH, WHAT, WHAT THE AMENITIES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WOULD NOT QUALIFY TO, TO BE FOR BOND FUNDING TO BE USED TOWARD THAT END.
NOW WITH SCREENING WALLS, THERE'S SORT OF I, IF AND IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A SCREENING WALL DISCUSSION, I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE A WHOLE SEPARATE DISCUSSION.
BUT, UM, THERE'S, UH, THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS THERE.
ONE, JUST THE TREMENDOUS EXPENSE THAT IT, THAT IT POSES, BUT ALSO ALMOST ALL SCREEN, NOT EVERY SCREENING WALL, BUT ALMOST ALL SCREENING WALLS.
IT'S SORT OF LIKE, UH, OUR SIDEWALKS, YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR PORTION OF IT.
I KNOW THERE ARE SOME HOAS THAT IF THAT'S NOT THE CASE, THEY, THEY OWN THE WHOLE THE WALL.
AND LIKE I SAID, BECAUSE OF THE MAGNITUDE OF THAT EXPENSE, I THINK THAT'S AN ENTIRELY SEPARATE DISCUSSION.
I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE ALMOST PART OF LIKE THE OVERALL CIP BUDGET DISCUSSION THAT, THAT, THE MAGNITUDE OF THAT BEING.
BUT WITH A LOT OF OTHER SCREENING WALLS IN THE CITY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE OWNED BY THE INDIVIDUAL RESIDENT BEHIND THEM.
AND THIS IS FOR NEIGHBORHOODS TO APPLY FOR NOT INDIVIDUAL RESIDENTS.
THAT'S, THAT'S ANOTHER JUSTIFICATION FOR THIS EXPENSE.
WELL, THAT'S VERY GOOD INFORMATION.
'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD'VE EVER THOUGHT THAT THE RESIDENT BEHIND IT OWNED THAT PORTION OR WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT PORTION OF THE WALL.
SO THAT'S THE CASE MOST OF THE TIME.
WOULD THAT BE ALSO LIKE, LET'S SAY, UM, I'M THINKING OF, I THINK IT'S OAK RIDGE, UM, AND THEY HAVE SOME DAMAGE ON THEIRS ON SHILOH RIGHT NOW, WHERE THERE'S THE WALL, THEN THE ALLEY, THEN THE HOUSE, EVEN WITH THE ALLEY IN BETWEEN, THEY'RE STILL RESPONSIBLE USUALLY IN MOST CASES, YES.
AND I CAN CONFIRM NEIGHBORS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR WALLET EVEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE APP.
AND THAT'S BEEN A REQUEST FROM I BECAUSE IT'S AN INDIVIDUAL OWNER PROPERTY.
WE, WE ALSO, WE SHOULD PROBABLY MAKE THIS SEPARATE DISCUSSION BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, AND WE'VE LOOKED AT THIS BEFORE, THE TOTAL NUMBER OF THESE RETAINING WALLS THAT NEED CARE AND ATTENTION AND THE COST, UH, THAT IT WOULD TAKE TO REPAIR THEM ALL THE ONES THAT ARE LEANING AND THAT ARE BROKEN AND ALL THE REST OF THE STUFF, THE COST WOULD REALLY BE, UH, QUITE SIGNIFICANT.
AND, AND I THINK THAT YOU, YOU MAY, WE MAY, WHEN WE COME BACK, UH, IN, IN FURTHERANCE WITH OUR CZB STUDY DISCUSSIONS FOR SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS WE'RE WORKING AT, MAY HAVE SOME NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO SOME OF THIS WORK.
UM, BUT THE PROBLEM IS IF YOU DID A CITYWIDE PROGRAM RIGHT NOW AND EVERY RETAINING WALL THAT WAS LEANING, CRACKED, BROKEN, WE TRIED TO ADDRESS IN SOME FORM OR FASHION, UM, WE SIMPLY WOULDN'T HAVE THE FINANCIAL RESOURCES FOR IT.
SO WE HAVE TO BE MINDFUL OF, OF WHAT WE CAN ACCOMPLISH AND HOW WE CAN ACCOMPLISH IT FINANCIALLY.
SO JUST TO CLARIFY, WE LEAVE IT AS IS OR OKAY.
UM, UM, SO BACK ON PAGE TWO, LAURA, UNDER MAINTENANCE PROJECTS, YOUR RED LINE, UH, TALKS ABOUT REPLACING EXISTING ASSETS AND AMENITIES.
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THREE, THEN YOU SAY THOSE ARE NOT, NOT ELIGIBLE.IS, UH, CAN YOU SQUARE THOSE TWO FOR ME? AM I NOT READING IT RIGHT? UH, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE SO ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, BUT I DON'T SEE CASE BY CASE ON YOUR PAGE THREE NOT ELIGIBLE.
SO ON PAGE THREE, UM, MAY, AND MAYBE I CAN LIKE BOLD THIS, UM, UPGRADES OR REPLACEMENT OF ASSETS, AMENITIES THAT HAVE NOT OUTLIVED THEIR USEFUL LIFE.
UM, WHEREAS ON PAGE TWO IT SAYS THAT, UM, REPLACING EXISTING ASSETS OR AMENITIES THAT HAVE OUTLIVED THEIR USEFUL LIFE.
SO THAT JUST KIND OF CLARIFYING, UM, THOSE, THOSE DIFFERENCES, I, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.
THAT'S THE, THE HAVE VERSUS HAVE NOT IS THE DIFFERENCE THERE.
I I'M, I'M THINKING ABOUT A SPRINKLER SYSTEM WE HAVE THERE ON KING ARTHUR THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR A LONG, LONG TIME AND, UH, YOU KNOW, HAS TYPICALLY NOT BEEN ELIGIBLE FOR, FOR FUNDS LIKE THIS, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE AN MOU WITH THE CITY AND WE, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT GIVES US THE WATER, EVEN THOUGH WE MAINTAIN THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM, UH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE, YOU KNOW, TALKED ABOUT, BUT TYPICALLY HAS NOT BEEN ELIGIBLE.
SO I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT DID THAT FALL INTO THE, HOW HE LIVED ITS USEFUL LIFE? HOW, HOW, WHAT'S THE USEFUL LIFE OF PVC PIPE? I MEAN, IT'S GONNA OUTLAST US ALL RIGHT.
SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WOULD STILL WOULDN'T QUALIFY UNDER THESE GUIDELINES.
IS THAT YOUR OPINION? UM, WELL I THINK WE DIFFUSE ARE BLAST REQUESTING TO REPLACE THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM? WELL, CERTAINLY THERE'S REPAIRS THAT HAVE TO BE MADE TO THAT THING NOW.
AND AGAIN, SPRINKLER HEADS GET BROKEN OR VALVES AND STUFF THAT WE MANUALLY TURN ON, UM, YOU KNOW, GET WORN OUT AND, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF THING.
SO I BELIEVE LAST, AT LAST MEETING WE DISCUSSED THAT THAT WOULD NOT BE COVERED, UM, BECAUSE OF IT BEING A SPRINKLER SYSTEM IN NORMAL WEAR TEAR TYPE OF SITUATION.
IT, IT, IT'S, IT QUALIFIED AS A MAINTENANCE AND MAINTENANCE NOT, NOT ELIGIBLE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE I MOVE ON TO THE LAST? UM, I BELIEVE IT'S THE LAST ITEM.
IT'S NOT A VIDEO GAME CO PLAYING WITH I KNOW.
UM, THE LAST CHANGE THAT WAS MADE IS REGARDING THE LETTER OF INTENT.
UM, PREVIOUSLY, UH, THE LETTER OF INTENT WAS REQUIRED FOR CONSTRUCTION TYPE PRO PROJECTS THAT MORE THAN $25,000.
UM, WE ARE RECOMMENDING FOR ALL APPLICANTS TO SUBMIT A LETTER OF INTENT.
UM, NOW THE PURPOSE OF THAT IS SO THAT STAFF AND, AND CITY, UM, AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS CAN PROVIDE FEEDBACK AND GUIDANCE TO HELP THE APPLICANT, UM, GET THE MATERIAL OR INFORMATION THAT THEY NEED SO THAT THEY CAN, UM, GET THEIR APPLICATION APPROVED OR CAN GET THEIR PROJECTS FINISHED.
SO, UM, JUST FEEL THAT IT'S A GOOD REQUIREMENT TO HAVE QUESTION.
HOW ARE WE GOING TO PUBLISH THOSE EXACT DATES? I'M SORRY.
SO IT SAYS LETTER OF INTENT ARE DUE TWO MONTHS BEFORE APPLICATION CORRESPONDENCE.
HOW ARE WE GOING TO FORM WHAT, WHAT THOSE EXACT DATES ARE? RIGHT? BECAUSE TWO MONTHS IS TWO THIRD IS TWO MONTHS SAVED.
SO IT IS LISTED, UM, THE LETTER OF INTENT DEADLINES ARE LISTED ON THE WEBSITE AS WELL WITH THE DATE, UM, WITH THE DATES.
SO IT SAYS, SO JANUARY 23RD AS WELL AS JULY 23RD.
UM, WE'RE ALSO, UM, IN THE PROCESS OF UPDATING THE APPLICATION PROCESS SO THAT, UM, APPLICANTS CAN APPLY ONLINE.
AND SO IT'LL JUST BE PART OF THE APPLICATION PROCESS.
AND SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO COMPLETE THE LETTER OF INTENT.
SO MAYBE, MAYBE I'M READING THIS INCORRECTLY, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE.
SO IT SAYS CORRESPONDING TO THE THIRD, SO FOR EXAMPLE, JULY 23RD, THE APPLICATION DEADLINE OR IS JUDGE JULY 23RD WOULD BE THE LETTER OF INTENT DEADLINE.
AND I BELIEVE YOU PUBLISHED THIS BY THE CHATTER, DO THE YES SIR.
TO THAT TO SEE DEADLINE COMING UP.
AND WE ALSO POST, UM, PUBLISH IT IN THE GARLAND CITY PRESS, THE LETTER OF INTENT DEADLINE, UM, AS WELL AS APPLICATION DEADLINES.
WE STARTED THE LETTERS OF INTENT ABOUT SIX YEARS AGO, SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE.
AND THEY'VE BEEN TREMENDOUSLY HELPFUL.
NOT, I MEAN, TO STAFF, TO THE APPLICANT THEMSELVES.
'CAUSE WHEN, WHEN WE BRING IT, WHEN WE COME TO Y'ALL, WE WANT, WE, I MEAN WE WANT IT TO BE AS SEAMLESS AS POSSIBLE.
WE COME TO Y'ALL, WE'VE ALREADY THOUGHT
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ABOUT ALL THE ISSUES AS BEST WE CAN, YOU KNOW, UH, TO WHERE THIS IS JUST PAPERWORK AT, AT THAT POINT.THAT'S THE GOAL IS THAT, UM, WE, AND THAT, THAT LETTER OF INTENT REALLY HELPS BECAUSE IT'S, I KNOW IT, IT ADDS ANOTHER KIND OF PART OF THE PROCESS AND THAT, THAT ISN'T IDEAL, BUT THE FEEDBACK THAT THEY GET AND THAT WE'RE LIKE, THAT GIVES US ANOTHER TWO MONTHS TO TALK TO STAFF.
WELL, YOU KNOW, COME UP WITH OPTIONS, YOU KNOW, THEY WANTED THIS, MAYBE, MAYBE THEY CAN'T HAVE THAT, BUT MAYBE WE WORK WITH STAFF TO TRY TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT'S, THAT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENED, YOU KNOW? AND THAT LETTER INTENT GIVES US THAT CUSHION SO THAT WE COME TO Y'ALL THAT THAT'S A LITTLE MORE THOUGHT OUT RATHER THAN BEFORE IT WAS JUST SORT OF, WE GET APPLICATIONS IN, WE TRY TO CRAM ALL THAT IN WITHIN A MONTH, YOU KNOW, AND WE MISS STUFF OR, OR THINGS, UM, THAT THEY REQUESTED.
'CAUSE WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT KIND OF TIME.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE DO THOSE.
AND UH, SO WE WANTED TO EXPAND IT TO ALL OF THEM.
BUT AGAIN, YEAH, WE'LL WE'RE, WE, WE WANT TO WORK WITH THEM.
WE, THAT'S, THAT'S THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS.
WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT WHEN WE, UM, WHEN WE BRING THESE TO Y'ALL, THAT, THAT THOSE QUESTIONS ARE AS ANSWERED AS BEST WE CAN.
I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA BECAUSE, UM, YEAH, IF ALL WE DID WAS TAKE THE APPLICATION AND PROCESS IT AT THAT POINT, THE HOAS JUST LIKE US.
THEY DON'T, THEY'RE NOT MEETING EVERY DAY.
SO YEAH, I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA.
I JUST WANT, I JUST MAKE SURE I WAS READING AND JUST AS FOR CONTEXT, I I, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S NEVER HAPPENED, BUT IT, IT'S RARE THAT SOMEONE ISN'T AWARE OF THIS OR, OR, OR, OR DIDN'T SUBMIT IT IN TIME.
YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S EITHER LIKE, THEY WEREN'T READY REALLY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE MORE JUST ASKING A QUESTION AND THEY JUST NEED TO WAIT TILL THE NEXT DEADLINE OR, UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF IT'S LIKE A, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S, IT FITS REAL CLOSE, WE, WE ACCEPT IT IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, MOSTLY COMPLETE.
'CAUSE AGAIN, IT'S JUST A LETTER OF INTENT.
UH, SO, BUT THAT, THAT REALLY, WE REALLY NEED THAT CUSHION TO HELP, TO HELP WITH THE APPLICATION PROCESS.
I DO LOVE THAT WE'RE WORKING ON DOING THAT.
UM, ONLINE, THE APPLICATIONS ONLINE, LIKE GETTING INTO THE 21ST CENTURY.
WE LOVE THAT
UM, SO ARE THERE ANY, UM, THOSE ARE ALL THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE.
ARE THERE ANY FINAL COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS OR ARE WE GOOD TO PROCEED WITH, UM, THESE GUIDELINES? GOOD, GOOD, GOOD.
UM, DEFINITELY LOVE THE NEW, UM, LETTER OF INTENT.
UM, I THINK THAT THAT REALLY GIVES OUR RESIDENTS THE UPPER HAND, UM, DURING THIS PROCESS.
SO WE ARE GOOD TO PROCEED TO, WE'LL PRESENT TO COUNCIL, UM, WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND WOULD THAT BE, UM, KEVIN NEXT, UH, LET'S SEE, SECOND MEETING IN FEBRUARY PRESENT TO COUNSELOR, OR WOULD IT BE READY BEFORE? YES, WE COULD.
RIGHT? HOW ABOUT SECOND MEETING IN FEBRUARY? THAT WORK YOU'LL PREFER WITH THE SECOND ONE? YEAH, FIRST, FIRST ONE'S A ON THE THIRD, LESS THAN TWO WEEKS.
FEBRUARY, WE'LL PRESENT IT OUT IN A WORK SESSION.
AND ALSO, UM, I'M, UH, LETTER OF INTENTS ARE DUE TOMORROW FOR THE NEXT CYCLE.
UM, SO I'M JUST GONNA PROVIDE COMMENTS BASED ON THE APPRO, UM, SOON TO BE APPROVED GUIDELINES THEN.
AND OUR NEXT ITEM IS, UM, ALSO WITH MS. LAURA DEGA, UM, REVIEW THE NEIGHBORHOOD MATCHING GRANT FALL APPLICATIONS.
SO THANK YOU ALL FOR HAVING ME.
UM, WE HAVE HERON'S BAY, OAK CREST EDITION, AND OAKS AT STONY CREEK.
UM, I ALSO HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL, UM, UH, FUNDING REQUEST FROM THE SHORES OF WELLINGTON WHO WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED IN THE LAST, UM, CYCLE.
SO I'M GONNA RUN THROUGH THE NEW FUNDING REQUESTS FIRST.
UM, AND THEN ONCE WE GO THROUGH THOSE, THEN UM, WE WILL, UM, I'LL PRESENT TO YOU THE SHORES OF, OF WELLINGTON CHANGES AND REQUESTS AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
SO, UM, SO, UM, UH, LET'S JUMP INTO, UM, HER BAY.
SO THEY ARE REQUESTING TO INSTALL FLAGPOLES AT THEIR TWO ENTRANCES AT SANDERLIN AND BLUE HERON.
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IN TOTAL.UM, EACH ENTRANCE WILL HAVE A, UM, A UNITED STATES AMERICAN FLAG AND A TEXAS FLAG.
UM, THEIR STATED GOALS ARE THEY WISH TO BE A WELCOMING NEIGHBORHOOD.
THEY HOLD BIANNUAL EVENTS FOR THEIR FAMILIES, ALWAYS GREETING NEIGHBORS AND ENCOURAGING NEIGHBORS TO BE TEXAS FRIENDLY.
UM, AND YOU JUST WANTING TO MAKE HERON'S BAY A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE FOR ALL RESIDENTS.
UM, THEY STATED MAINTENANCE WILL ENTAIL CHECKING ON THE CEMENT BASE AND ANCHORS AT LEAST ANNUALLY, AND THE FLAGS THEMSELVES WILL BE REPLACED WHEN WEATHERED.
UM, SO HERE IS THE CORRESPONDING MAP OF HERRON BAY, WHICH IS LOCATED IN DISTRICT THREE.
UM, SOME SITE PHOTOS OF THEIR ENTRANCES.
UM, THE PROPOSED, UM, LOCATIONS OF THE FLAGPOLES.
UM, HERRON BAY, THEY ARE ELIGIBLE TO APPLY FOR, UM, $90,820, UM, IN THEIR CURRENT FIVE YEAR CYCLE.
UM, ALSO FLAGPOLES HAVE PREVIOUSLY BEEN APPROVED THROUGH MATCHING GRANT.
UM, SOME EXAMPLES HAVE BEEN HILLS AT FIRE WHEEL 15, UM, HAD FLAGPOLES AS PART OF THEIR PROJECT.
UM, AND THEN IN 2018, CREEKSIDE VILLAGE, HOA HAD FLAG FLAGS AND FLAGPOLES AS PART OF THEIR PROJECTS.
UM, THERE ARE PERMITS REQUIRED FOR FLAGPOLES.
THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS BEEN NOTIFIED OF THIS AS WELL AS DIFFERENT, UM, JUST RIGHT OF WAY UTILITY CONCERNS TO BE AWARE OF WHEN THEY, WHEN IT COMES TIME FOR INSTALLING.
UM, NOW, UM, SO WITH THAT, UM, ANY QUESTIONS I'LL, I'LL PAUSE FOR QUESTIONS BETWEEN EACH APPLICATION.
CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE THREE WITH THE PICTURES ON IT? SURE.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE REPLACING THAT FLAG.
SO QUESTION ON FLAGS IF ANYBODY HERE KNOWS IS WHO'S IN CHARGE OF, IS IT A CODE ISSUE FOR WHO'S IN CHARGE OF MAKING SURE WEATHER? WE HAVE ANY BECAUSE THE CITY, I DON'T THINK SO.
AND THE ONLY REASON I EVEN REMOTELY KNOW THAT, UM, OR THINK I KNOW THAT IS BECAUSE WE HAD THE FLAG DISCUSSION ABOUT RAISING AND LOWERING THE FLAGS.
AND SO I DID LOOK THROUGH OUR ORDINANCES ABOUT ALL THINGS FLAGS AND I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING ANYTHING.
UM, ATTORNEY, I'M, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANYTHING AWARE OF THE, THE CITY HAS THE AUTHORITY TO, I MEAN, PERHAPS CODE COULD GET INTO TO SOME SORT OF DETERIORATED APPEARANCE, BUT I MEAN, THERE'S NOTHING SPECIFIC TO FLAGS.
SO THERE'S NOBODY OUT THERE POLICING FLAGS NOT LIT AT NIGHT.
SO THEN ON THIS, WE COULD MAKE THAT A, I'D LIKE, I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT.
SO DO WE HAVE FLAG FLAGS AND FLAGPOLES SPECIFICALLY LISTED AS ELIGIBLE? ISN'T THAT STATED AS ELIGIBLE? OKAY.
UH, SO I, I THINK I'D LIKE TO SEE, UM, THE COURSE, IT DOES ALLOW US THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE, LIKE, TO SEE US FLAGPOLES AS AN ELIGIBLE ITEM.
MAINTENANCE OF, UM, QUESTION ON FLAG ETIQUETTE.
UM, FLAG ETIQUETTE STATES THAT THE AMERICAN FLAG OF IT IS FLOWN AT NIGHT MUST BE LIT.
SO ARE THESE GONNA BE RAISED IN LOWERED DAILY SUNRISE AND SUNSET, OR ARE THEY PUTTING IN A LIGHT TO REFLECT ON? GREAT POINT.
SO ALONG WITH THE ELIGIBILITY, WE SHOULD WRITE IN MUST MEET ALL STATE LOCAL FEDERAL FLAG ETIQUETTE.
FLAG ETIQUETTE SAYS THAT YOU CAN FLY AN AMERICAN FLAG AT NIGHT, BUT IT MUST BE LIT.
SO A SPOTLIGHT ON IT OF SOME SORT.
MY BROTHER DOWN AND SOLAR, BUT YEAH, IT, THAT'S, I BELIEVE THAT THE FLAG POLES THAT THEY'RE INSTALLING, UM, HAVE THE, THE LIGHT INCORPORATED INTO THE TOP OF THE POLE.
LET ME JUST, UM, DO WE HAVE, WE JUST WENT THROUGH A WHOLE YES.
DO WE HAVE ANYONE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD HERE? DON'T BELIEVE SO.
SO YEAH, SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A LIGHT INCORPORATED INTO THE FLAGPOLE.
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POLE.SORRY, CAN I PULL OR SOMETHING? WE DON'T HAVE A SURE.
IT SEEMS LIKE THEY'VE, WE DON'T HAVE A CODE ON HEIGHT, A FLAGPOLE KIT, UM, THAT COMES WITH, WITH THE FLAGPOLE.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY ORDINANCE ON, UM, FLAGPOLE HEIGHT.
IF YOU WANNA BE A, IF YOU WANNA BE A PROUD AMERICAN, WE'RE GONNA LET YOU DO IT.
BUT THAT WAS A GOOD QUESTION THOUGH.
THE FAA HAS CERTAIN LIMITATIONS ON THAT.
YEAH,
SOME HEIGHT LIMITATIONS YOU'LL HAVE TO, WITH THE FA BECAUSE YOU SEE REPORTS WHERE THEY'VE GOT FLAG POLE AND A, AND A GIANT FLAG THAT'S, LISTEN, I FEEL LIKE A FLAG FLAPPING COULD, UH, MUFFLE SOME OF LIKE THE FIREWORKS OR GUNSHOTS
I, I THINK THAT IT COULD, IT COULD BE A GOOD, UM, WHITE NOISE TYPE OF THING, BUT I THINK THAT'S AN ISSUE FOR PERMITS.
I MEAN, THEY HAVE TO HAVE A PERMIT TO PUT UP A FLAG POLE.
SO 'CAUSE YOU'RE DIGGING, YOU HAVE TO, I, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A PERMITTING ISSUE.
'CAUSE THERE'S GONNA BE THINGS THAT ARE NOT GONNA FIT IN CERTAIN AREAS AND THAT'S WHERE PERMITS COME TO TELL YOU NO, YOU CAN'T PUT IT THERE BECAUSE IT INTERFERES WITH OVERHEAD WIRING OR YOU CAN'T, IT CAN'T BE THAT TALL 'CAUSE YOU'RE WITHIN SO MANY WHATEVER TO THE HELIPORT OR, YOU KNOW.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE PERMITTING WOULD COME IN.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND IT CAN'T, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T BURY IT HERE BECAUSE THERE'S AN ATMOS LINE UNDERNEATH WHERE YOU WANNA PUT IT, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF THING.
SO AS LONG AS WE'RE MEETING THE GUIDELINES THAT ARE SET, 'CAUSE WE JUST DID, LIKE I SAID, WE JUST WENT THROUGH A WHOLE THING ON FLAGS FOR, UH, WITH COMMITTEES.
SO, UM, AS LONG AS IT'S GOT A LIGHT ON IT OR THEY'RE DOING A, A RAISE AND LOWER EVERY NIGHT, IT, I, EITHER WAY I DON'T CARE.
THEY'RE MEETING FLAG ETIQUETTE, THEY'RE REPLACING THE FLAG AS NEEDED AND THEY'RE GETTING THEIR PERMIT SO THAT IT'S INSTALLED PROPERLY.
I, I DON'T, THE OTHER PARTS DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE'RE OR THAT RELEVANT FOR THIS APPLICATION.
I, I DO HAVE ONE REQUEST WHEN WE'RE, UM, DOING FLAGPOLE APPROVALS, I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO INCLUDE INFORMATION ON HOW AND WHERE PEOPLE CAN RETIRE THEIR FLAGS SO THAT THEY CAN DO IT THE CORRECT WAY IF WE'RE GOING TO, IF WE'RE GONNA DO IT, DO IT RIGHT.
UM, 'CAUSE I, I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY CAN RETIRE FLAGS.
I SEE POST LASSI FREQUENTLY ASKING WHERE TO RETIRE FLAGS.
SO THE VFW BOY SCOUTS, UM, TYPE OF SITUATION.
AND I CAN HELP, UM, GET INFO FOR THAT FOR YOU.
UM, I JUST THINK THAT IT WOULD BE GOOD JUST TO, HERE'S ALL WHAT YOU NEED FOR THE LIFE OF YOUR FLAG.
SO WE'RE GOOD WITH THIS ONE? YES.
OKAY, SO MOVING ON THE OAKCREST, UM, THIS IS LOCATED IN DISTRICT SEVEN.
UM, THEY ARE, THEY'RE PROPOSING TO DO ENTRYWAY SIGNS, HARDSCAPING AND SPEED HUMPS.
UM, THE TOTAL PROJECT COST IS 14, ABOUT 14,000, REQUESTING ABOUT 12,000 FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD MATCH OF 2100.
UM, THEY ARE PROPOSING TO REPLACE AN EXISTING SCREENING MALL PANEL WITH A NEW SCREENING MALL PANEL THAT HAS AN EMBEDDED SIGN, UM, ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUCKNER NER AND JUPITER ENTRANCE.
UM, THEY DO, THEY DID INCLUDE SOME, UM, IMAGES OF PROPOSED, UM, SIGNS TO WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE.
SO WE'LL, UM, SCROLL THROUGH THERE.
UM, UM, WE'LL SCROLL THROUGH THERE LATER.
UM, THEY'RE ALSO PROPOSING TO ADD SOME HARDSCAPING, SOME ROCKS TO SOME OF THE COMMON AREA LANDSCAPING TO THE NORTH SIDE OF NER.
UM, AND THEN ALSO PROPOSING TO INSTALL SPEED HUMPS ON NER AND OAK CREST.
UM, SO REGARDING THE SPEED HUMPS, UM, STAFF IS LISTING THE SPEED HUMPS AS NOT ELIGIBLE.
UM, DURING THE LETTER OF INTENT PORTION, WE NOTIFIED THEM TO WORK WITH TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT, UM, TO, UH, REQUEST A SPEED STUDY AND START THAT PRO THEIR
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PROCESS.UM, AFTER THE SPEED STUDY TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT DETERMINES THAT SPEED HUNTS WERE NOT WARRANTED.
UM, AND SO, UH, WE REMOVED THAT AS AN ELIGIBLE PROJECT.
UM, NOW SHOULD THIS CHANGE IN THE FUTURE, THEN THEY CAN CERTAINLY APPLY FOR SPEED HUMPS.
UM, AGAIN, UM, AND THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE.
UM, SO LET ME GO AHEAD AND GO DOWN TO, UM, IMAGES.
SO THIS IS THE LOCATION OF WHERE THEY WOULD LIKE TO PUT THE ENTRYWAY SIGN.
UM, AND THEN, UM, IN THIS PICTURE BELOW, UH, THIS IS THE LANDSCAPING BED THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO IMPROVE WITH SOME ROCKS AND BOULDERS AND HARDSCAPING.
UM, I DON'T BELIEVE THEY ARE REMOVING ANY OF THE PLANTS, JUST KIND OF AGAIN, ADDING SOME OF THAT HARDSCAPING TO IT.
UM, LORD, CAN YOU GO BACK, THIS ONE LOOKS LIKE IT'S IN SOMEONE'S ACTUAL YARD THOUGH, SO
SO, UM, THAT THERE'S ACTUALLY A LITTLE PORTION THAT IS, UM, IT'S LISTED AS HOA PROPERTY.
SO IF YOU LOOK IT UP IN D AD, UM, IT'LL SHOW, UM, PROPERTY OF OAKCREST EDITION.
UM, THEY NOW, UM, TO, UH, INFORM YOU, THEY ALSO REQUESTED TO, UM, IMPROVE THE SOUTH THE ENTRANCE, THE SOUTH ENTRANCE OF NER.
UM, IT'S SIMILAR TO THE NORTH.
UM, HOWEVER, THEY DO NOT OWN THAT PROPERTY.
UM, AND SO THIS WAS IDENTIFIED, UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS SPRING 25 CYCLE.
UM, SO THEY WERE NOTIFIED THAT THEY DON'T OWN THAT PROPERTY.
UM, AND SO THE COMMENTS WERE TO PROVIDE DOCUMENTS, UH, SAYING THAT THEY HAVE, THEY ARE LEGALLY ABLE TO IMPROVE AND MAINTAIN, UM, ASSETS OR AMENITIES ON THAT PROPERTY.
UM, AND SO, UM, THEY DID PROVIDE SOME MEETING MINUTES WHERE THEY DECIDED TO, I THINK IT WAS FROM NINE, MAYBE 1996, WHERE THEY DECIDED TO INSTALL THE LANDSCAPING BED.
UM, I THINK THEY, I MEAN I THINK THEY HAD VERBAL CONSENT FROM THE OWNER, UM, BUT NOTHING ON PAPER.
UM, SO THEY DID PROVIDE THOSE MEETING MINUTES.
UM, I CHATTED WITH CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND WE JUST COULDN'T ACCEPT THOSE MEETING MINUTES AS, UM,
SO SHOULD THAT CHANGE IN THE FUTURE, THEY ARE, UM, ABLE TO APPLY FOR FUNDS TO, UM, MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO THAT LANDSCAPING BED.
UM, BUT AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, THE SOUTHERN PORTION IS NOT ELIGIBLE, UM, THROUGH MATCHING GRANT.
UM, SO, UH, JUST KIND OF GOING THROUGH, UM, OF WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING ABOUT THAT SOUND YES, SIR.
THEY WOULD PART OF, YES, THEY WOULD HAVE TO, TO PURCHASE IT.
UM, OR THEY COULD POTENTIALLY, UM, DO SOME TYPE OF LICENSE AGREEMENT FILED WITH THE COUNTY.
UM, SAYING THAT THEY HAVE, THEY ARE LEGALLY ABLE TO ADD X, Y, Z AMENITIES AND MAINTAIN X, Y, Z, X, Y, Z AMENITIES INSTEAD BE NEGOTIATION.
THAT WOULD BE A, A PRIVATE NEGOTIATION BETWEEN, BETWEEN THE TWO PARTIES PROPERTY? CORRECT.
SO THIS IS A SAMPLE OF, UM, OF THE SIGN THAT THE TYPE OF SIGN THAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO INSTALL.
UM, AND THEN AS FAR AS THE LANDSCAPING GOES, THEY PROVIDED SOME RENDERINGS OF, UH, OF THE HARDSCAPING AND WHAT THAT SHOULD LOOK LIKE, UM, WITH, WITH THE ROCKS AND THE BOULDERS.
ANY QUESTIONS? I DID READ, I DID READ IN THE NOTES THAT, UM, HARDSCAPING IS ELIGIBLE WHETHER ADDING DECORATIVE ROCK TO EXIST LOWER BEDS, CONS CONSTITUTES HARDSCAPING WILL BE DETERMINED.
I I ESPECIALLY IF IT HAS A BORDER, IT DOESN'T HAVE A BORDER THEN IT'S
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HAS A BORDER, IT SHOULD BE FINE.UM, THIS IS THE CURRENT, NO, THIS IS THE PROPOSED.
THIS, UH, THIS IS THE CURRENT, YEAH, YEAH.
LET'S, I'M FINE
SO
THEY REQUIRE VERY LITTLE MAINTENANCE.
MYLES, LISTEN, I, I ALSO WOULD JUST, UM, MAYBE WE COULD EDUCATE THEM ON THE ROOT SYSTEM OF CRATE MYRTLES BEING SO CLOSE TO THAT WALL.
IT COULD CUT THE LIFESPAN OF THAT WALL DOWN EXPONENTIALLY.
AS SOMEONE WHO HAS CREPE MYRTLE ROOTS GOING UNDER MY DRIVEWAY, A TWO CAR DRIVEWAY, UM, IT COULD DAMAGE THAT WALL AND I'D HATE TO SEE THEM HAVE TO USE SOME OF THEIR GRANT MONEY GOING FORWARD TO, YOU KNOW, FIXED DAMAGE FROM, FROM ROOTS.
ALRIGHT, ANYONE, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WE'RE GOOD WITH THIS ONE.
LAST FUNDING REQUEST IS THE OAKS AT STONY CREEK.
UM, THEY ARE REQUESTING TO INSTALL HARDSCAPING AT HOLFORD ROAD.
UM, AND THIS IS THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF HOLFORD AND CAMPBELL.
UM, TOTAL PROJECT COST IS 18,619, UM, WITH THE REQUESTING AMOUNT OF 15,826 NEIGHBORHOOD MATCH OF ABOUT 2,700, UM, 28 OF ABOUT 2,800.
UM, THEY'RE PROPOSING TO INSTALL NEW RIVER ROCK, REMOVING EXISTING ORNAMENTAL GRASS AS NEEDED IN THE PROPOSED AREAS.
UM, SOME OF THEIR STATED GOALS INCLUDE ZERO ESCAPING BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE HOA WALL, UM, USING SOME DIRT LANDSCAPE FABRIC AND RIVER ROCK TO MINIMIZE EROSION AND WATER RUNOFF.
UM, THEY ALSO HOPE TO REDUCE SOIL EROSION ALONG THE SIDEWALK TO PROVIDE, UM, A SAFE AND RECREATIONAL SURFACE FREE OF MUD.
UM, ULTIMATELY THEY WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE A SAFE AND BEAUTIFUL PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY ALONG HOLFORD FOR WALKERS AND RUNNERS.
UM, THE ONGOING MAINTENANCE OF THIS PROJECT IS MINIMAL DUE, DUE TO THE NATURE OF THEIR ESCAPE ROCK MATERIAL THAT IS TO BE USED.
UM, THIS LIFETIME OF THIS IS, UH, AND THIS LIFETIME OF RIVER RIVER ROCK, IF ANY MAINTENANCE IS NEEDED, THEIR LANDSCAPING COMP COMPANY WILL PROVIDE THIS SERVICE, WHICH IS PAID FOR BY THE HOA.
AND SO, UM, THIS IS A MAP SHOWING JUST THE LOCATION.
SO, UM, THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY IS CAMPBELL AND THEN HOLFORD.
SO IT'S A LONG, UM, JUST THE HOLFORD, UM, PERIMETER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, GROUP.
UM, THESE ARE SOME CURRENT PICTURES OF THE LOCATION WHERE THEY'RE LOOKING TO INSTALL, UM, THE X ESCAPING AND HARDSCAPING.
UH, SO STAFF COMMENTS INCLUDE HARDSCAPING IS ELIGIBLE THROUGH THE MATCHING GRANT.
UM, AND THEN JUST STANDARD COMMENTS, UM, PROJECTS MUST COMPLY WITH APPLICABLE CODES AND SUCH.
UM, AND THEN, UM, ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, UM, UH, PROVIDED COMMENTS, UM, REGARDING RIGHT OF WAYS AND, UM, EASEMENTS AND SUCH, WHICH WE HAVE GIVEN TO THE APPLICANT.
AND THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN IN CONVERSATION WITH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, UM, READY TO, UM, ADHERE TO ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS AND SUCH.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS REQUEST? NOPE.
ED'S HERE ED'S THE OA PROPOSAL.
ANYBODY QUESTIONS FOR ED? ED IF YOU, FIRST OF ALL, IT'S GOOD TO BE IN THIS ROOM AGAIN.
I WAS HERE FOR 15 YEARS, IS ON THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARDS, ALSO VERY IMPRESSED, IMPRESSED WITH HOW INVOLVED ALL OF Y'ALL ARE IN LIKE, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD BY ITALIA PROGRAM IS OUTSTANDING.
WE'VE USED IT A FEW TIMES IN OUR, BUT UM, HOLFORD LOOKS VERY GOOD NOW SINCE THEY PLEADED FER FROM CAMPBELL TO GEORGE BUSH
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AND NOW FROM CAMPBELL ON FER TO THE GARLAND CITY LIMIT.THE OTHER SIDE OF HALFORD HAS BEEN COMPLETELY DONE BY THE CITY SIDEWALKS AND THE BRIDGE LOOKS FANTASTIC ON OUR SIDE BETWEEN THE HOA WALL AND THE SIDEWALK 'CAUSE OF THE TREES WE HAVE SHADE AND YOU CAN'T GROW GRASS THERE.
SO WHEN IT RAINS, IT COVERS THE SIDEWALK.
THIS WILL END NOT ONLY THE WATER THAT'S NEEDED PERMANENT LOOK TO GO WITH THE BEAUTIFICATION HOLFORD.
WELL, I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS HAVING THE WHOLE THOUGHT PROCESS OF WANTING YOUR SIDE TO LOOK AS NICE AS THE OTHER SIDE, UM, AND BEING FORWARD THINKING TO HELP THE EROSION PROBLEMS AND IT KEEPS STIRRED OUT OF OUR STORM WATERS.
AND SO I, I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS FOR TAKING THE INITIATIVE TO, TO DO YOUR PART, SO THANK YOU.
UM, WE NEED MORE EDS IN THE WORLD.
UM, I, I AM GOOD WITH THIS ONE.
I HAVE TO GO TO THE WINTER STORM CALL.
UM, AND SO NOW I'LL MOVE ON TO, UM, UPDATED FUNDING REQUESTS FOR THE SHORES OF WELLINGTON.
UM, SO THE SHORES OF WELLINGTON, THEY, UH, WERE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED LAST CYCLE.
THEY PROPOSED TO INSTALL A SPORTS COURT, UM, PRIMARILY LINED FOR PICKLEBALL, HOWEVER, IT'LL ALSO INCLUDE BASKETBALL AS WELL AS HOPSCOTCH.
UM, COUNSEL CONDITIONALLY APPROVED THIS PROJECT, UM, BASED ON, UM, THE LOCATION OF THE COURT BEING AN OPTION TWO, UM, WHICH IS LOCATED NEAR THE, UM, IN THE GREEN SPACE BETWEEN THE, UM, CLUBHOUSE AND THE, UM, SCREENING WALL.
UM, THEIR OPTION ONE WAS ESSENTIALLY NEAR THE, THE PLAYGROUND.
UM, WHEN NOTIFIED THAT THEY WERE, UM, MY APOLOGIES, SOME ADDITIONAL, UM, CONDITIONS INCLUDED, UH, THE SIGN, UM, INSTALLING A SIGN STATING THAT THIS WAS PAID FOR THROUGH MATCHING GRANT FUNDS AND IS PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE AS WELL.
UM, WHEN NOTIFIED THAT THEIR, UM, GRANT WAS APPROVED, UM, THEY DID PROVIDE, UM, AN UPDATED, UM, ESTIMATE, UM, AT A MUCH HIGHER COST.
UM, NOW I DID LOOKING AT THE ESTIMATE, UM, IT WASN'T, THE INCREASED COST WASN'T DUE TO, UM, UM, JUST INFLATION, BUT RATHER TO EXPANSION AND SCOPE ADDITIONS.
UM, SO I NOTIFIED THE APPLICANT THAT SHOULD THEY WISH TO PROCEED WITH THE NEW ESTIMATE WE WOULD NEED TO TAKE, BRING THIS BACK TO COMMITTEE, BACK TO COUNCIL, UM, IF THEY WISH TO BE REIMBURSED FOR THE ADDITIONAL FUND.
UM, SO JUST TO KIND OF HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE, UM, UPDATES, UM, THEY ARE REQUESTING TO INSTALL THE PICKLEBALL COURTS WHERE THE PLAYGROUND IS.
SO THEY ARE REQUESTING TO DEMOLISH THE EXISTING PLAYGROUND AND REPLACE IT WITH THE PICKLEBALL COURT.
UM, I, UH, REQUESTED THAT THEY PROVIDE DOCUMENTATION THAT THEY HAVE NOTIFIED THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF THIS CHANGE, UM, AND THAT THE RESIDENTS HAD THE CHANCE TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK, UM, ON THIS.
UM, AND THEN TO PROVIDE DOCUMENTATION THAT THERE WAS GENERAL CONSENSUS ON THIS PROJECT LOCATION.
UM, UM, SOME ADDITIONAL CHANGES TO THE, UM, SCOPE.
THEY WANTED TO INSTALL SOME, UM, BENCHES, TRASH CANS, AND SOME LIGHTS.
UM, THERE ARE EXISTING BENCHES, TRASH CANS AND, AND AREA LIGHTS.
AND SO SOME OF MY QUESTIONS WERE HAVE THESE AMENITIES OUTLIVED THEIR USEFUL LIFE AS DETERMINED BY INDUSTRY STANDARDS.
THEY ARE ALSO, UM, ADDING A PERIMETER FENCE AROUND THE
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PICKLEBALL COURT, UM, WITH THE GOAL TO JUST TO CONTAIN THE BALL, UM, THE BALLS AND SUCH, UM, UH, THE EQUIPMENT OR WHAT HAVE YOU.UM, AND SO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, NEW FENCES WILL REQUIRE PERMITS THROUGH BUILDING INSPECTIONS.
UM, WITH THE LIGHTING, UM, JUST, UH, NEW ELECTRICAL WILL REQUIRE A PERMIT THROUGH BUILDING INSPECTIONS.
UM, AND SO WITH THE REMOVAL OF THE PLAYGROUND SCAPE, UM, THEY'LL NEED TO DO SOME MODIFICATIONS TO THEIR AIR CONDITION SYSTEM.
UM, AND SO, UM, MY COMMENT IS THEY NEEDED TO CHECK WITH BUILDING INSPECTIONS JUST TO SEE IF THAT ANY CHANGES OR MODIFICATIONS REQUIRES A PERMIT.
UM, AND IF SO, THEY'LL NEED TO OBTAIN, OBTAIN SAID PERMIT.
UM, THERE IS A PORTION OF THE PLAYGROUND AREA, UM, WHERE THEY WILL HAVE TO REMOVE THE WALKING PATH.
UM, AND SO THEY'LL HAVE TO, UM, KIND OF REROUTE JUST A SHORT WALKING PATH, UM, AT THE, I BELIEVE THE SOUTHWEST CORNER, UM, OF WHERE THE NEW PICKLEBALL COURT WOULD BE INSTALLED.
UM, AND SO WITH THAT, UM, THEY'LL, THEY'RE INSTALLING SOME SOD WITH THE SIDE, THE SIDEWALK TYPICALLY WITH OTHER CIP PROJECTS, IT'S KIND OF STANDARD WHEN YOU'RE INSTALLING SIDEWALK TO ALSO INCLUDE SAW ON EITHER SIDE.
UM, SO, UM, I JUST SEE THAT AS STANDARD PRACTICE, UM, IF COMMITTEE IS OKAY WITH ALLOWING THAT PARTICULAR LINE ITEM.
AND UH, ANOTHER COMMENT IS THAT CITY COUNCIL CONDITIONALLY APPROVED THIS PROJECT BASED ON THE COURT BEING LOCATED AT OPTION TWO.
UM, AND SO COMMUNITY SERVICES AND CITY COUNCIL WILL DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT TO, UM, APPROVE THIS REQUEST BASED ON THE NEW LOCATION.
UM, I DID NOTE, SO THEY DID NOT SIGN THE FUNDING AGREEMENT, SO, UM, SINCE THE FUNDING AGREEMENT HAS NOT BEEN SIGNED, THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO BEGIN WORK ON THE PROJECT.
UM, SO THAT THIS NUMBER EIGHT WAS JUST A REMINDER TO THEM NOT TO BEGIN WORK ON THE PROJECT.
UM, THEY WERE, UH, NOTIFIED THAT, YOU KNOW, SHOULD THEY WISH TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT AS PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED, THEY ARE ABLE TO DO THAT.
UM, BUT THEY DECIDED TO, UM, WANT US TO BRING FORWARD CHANGES, UM, TO COUNSEL, UM, FOR, FOR YOU TO CONSIDER.
UM, AND SO GOING BACK TO, LET'S SEE, SO THEY DID PROVIDE A PRESENTATION OF WHAT IT COULD LOOK THE PICKLEBALL COURT COULD LOOK LIKE.
UM, THERE WILL BE TWO COURTS LINED FOR PICKLEBALL.
ONE WILL ALSO BE LINED FOR BASKETBALL AS WELL.
UM, THEY'LL BE INSTALLING TWO BASKETBALL GOALS, UM, AND THEN A BENCH TRASH CAN.
AND THEN, UM, A GOODNESS GRACIOUS, A CONTAINER TO STORAGE EQUIPMENT.
YES, STORAGE, UM, JUST A SMALL STORAGE BOX ESSENTIALLY.
UM, THEY'LL, THEY'RE PROPOSING TO INSTALL TWO BASKETBALL GOALS.
UM, PREVIOUSLY THEY, UM, ASK FOR ONE BASKETBALL GOAL.
UM, THEY ARE PROPOSING TO INSTALL NEW LED LIGHTING.
AND THEN THESE ARE THE IN-GROUND PICKLEBALL COURTS, UM, PICKLEBALL POSTS.
UM, THIS IS THE BENCH WITH THE BACK AND THE TRASH CAN AND THE OUTDOOR STOR METAL STORAGE BIN.
UM, THESE ARE JUST EXAMPLES OF OTHER, UM, SPORTS COURTS THAT THIS PARTICULAR CONTRACTOR HAS COMPLETED.
UM, AND THEN GOING BACK TO, UM, HERE'S THE PROPOSAL.
UM, UH, THE PROJECT COST CHANGED TO 85,000.
I BELIEVE ORIGINALLY IT WAS IN THE 30,000 RANGE, 30,000, 40,000.
UM, SO IT INCREASED SIGNIFICANTLY.
UM, I HAD TO, I'M GONNA GO TO THE LAST PAGE.
SO I HAD TO
UM, SO YOU SHOULD HAVE THAT IN YOUR DOCUMENTS.
UM, JUST KIND OF SHOWING JUST THE DIFFERENCES, UM, OF, OF WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
UM, I'M TRYING, THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE PREVIOUS, SO PREVIOUSLY THE TOTAL PROJECT COST WAS 31,343.
UM, THEY DID, UH, THEY DID PROVIDE SOME RESPONSES,
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UM, TO SOME OF THE COMMENTS.AND SO THAT IS, LET'S SEE, UH, REGARDING THE REMOVAL OF THE EXISTING PLAYGROUND AREA, THEY STATED THAT QUARTERLY THE BOARD NOTIFIES THE PROBLEMS WITH THE PLAYGROUND.
UM, THE BOARD ELECTED BY THE HOA AGREES THAT THIS IS A BEST OPTION.
UM, WHEN, UH, ASKED ABOUT THE EXISTING BENCHES AND SUCH AND, UH, BENCHES, TRASH CANS AND AREA LIGHTS WHEN THEY WERE INSTALLED, UM, STATE THAT YES, THEY BELIEVE IT'S OUTLIVED THEIR USEFUL LIFE, THEY DON'T HAVE RECORDS, BUT THEY BELIEVE THAT THESE WERE INSTALLED, UM, AT THE ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION OF THE COMMUNITY BACK IN 2001.
UM, SO THEY WOULD LIKE TO UPDATE THAT, UM, REGARDING FENCES, UM, THEY SAID, IF NOT ELIGIBLE, THEY CAN BE STRUCK.
I DID WANNA NOTE THAT FENCES HAVE BEEN ALLOWED PREVIOUSLY AROUND LIKE PLAYGROUND STRUCTURES, JUST SIMPLY FOR CONTAINMENT REASONS.
UH, COMMUNITY SERVICES COMMITTEE DETERMINE TO ALLOW FENCES IN THIS, IN THIS STATE.
UM, THEY SAID INSTALLATION COMPANY WILL FOLLOW ALL PERMIT REGULATIONS.
UM, AND, UM, THEY JUST, UH, THE LAST IS JUST A STATEMENT OF THEIR, THEIR GRATITUDE AND, UM, WILLINGNESS TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY SERVICES COMMITTEE AND, UM, HOPES THAT YOU CONSIDERS CONSIDER THEIR REQUEST.
UM, THEY ALSO, UM, JUST IN AN EMAIL HAD STATED, YOU KNOW, THEY, AFTER CAREFUL CONSIDERATION, THE BOARD HAS IDENTIFIED SEVERAL ADVANTAGES OF PLACING THE DUAL COURT AT OPTION ONE LOCATION.
THEY BELIEVE THIS COULD BE A WONDERFUL IMPROVEMENT IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD AND HAVE THEREFORE REQUESTED UPDATED GRANT AMOUNT TO REFLECT THE EXPANDED SCOPE.
UM, LIKE I SAID, AFTER, UM, STAFF'S REVIEW, UM, THEY, UH, LET'S SEE, THEY DID MENTION THAT THERE IS A NEW PLAYGROUND NEAR, UH, AT AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL THAT'S NEAR THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, AS A CONSIDERATION.
UM, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF, YEAH, YOU'RE, UM, ELEMENT BACK IN OUR CHILDHOOD DAYS, UM, WHEN DINOSAURS RO THE EARTH, IT WAS ACCEPTABLE FOR YOU TO GO AND PLAY AT A PLAYGROUND AT A SCHOOL.
HOWEVER, THAT IS NO LONGER, THAT IS NO LONGER A THING.
UM, SO I THAT ARGUMENT IS, IS NULL AND VOID.
UM, SO DID THEY, DID THEY OPT TO NOT, UM, GET A CONSENSUS FROM THE RESIDENTS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND DETERMINE THAT THEIR HOA BOARD WOULD SUFFICE FOR THE REMOVAL OF A PLAYGROUND BASED ON THEIR RESPONSE TO NUMBER ONE? UM, IT DOES NOT SEEM THAT THEY, UM, I MEAN, IT SAYS THAT QUARTERLY THE BOARD NOTIFIES THE PROBLEMS WITH THE PLAYGROUND.
THEY DIDN'T SPECIFY HOW THEY NOTIFY WHO THEY NOTIFY.
WELL, FIRST OF ALL, WE DIDN'T APPROVE OPTION ONE BECAUSE IT WAS SO INTERIOR ONTO THE PROPERTY, AND IT'S GOTTA BE, HAVE PUBLIC ACCESS.
THAT'S WHY WE SAID OPTION TWO, WHICH IS OUT BY THE STREET.
SO NOW THEY'RE WANTING TO DEMOLISH THE PLAYGROUND AND TO PUT IT EVEN FURTHER INTO THE PROPERTY, TO WHERE EVEN THOUGH THEY WOULD HAVE THIS LITTLE BITTY SIGN THAT SAYS THERE'S PUBLIC ACCESS, THE PUBLIC HAS TO CROSS THEIR PRIVATE PROPERTY TO GET TO THE PUBLIC ACCESS.
SECOND PICKLEBALL, COURTS DO NOT NEED A FENCE.
THEY NEED A WINDSCREEN, NOT A FENCE.
SO THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE IN PRICE THERE.
I'VE NEVER SEEN A PICKLEBALL COURT WITH A FENCE.
IT'S ALWAYS JUST BEEN A WINDSCREEN.
AND THAT'S A SIMPLE CHAIN LINK WITH THE TARPS, UM, THAT'S EXTREMELY CHEAPER THAN WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT HERE.
SO AGAIN, AGAIN, THAT WOULD KEEP IT OUT OF SIGHT OF ANYBODY THAT COULD POSSIBLY SEE ACROSS THAT BIG EXPANSE OF PRIVATE PROPERTY TO KNOW THAT THERE WAS A PUBLIC ACCESS PICKLEBALL COURT IN THERE.
SO THOSE ARE MY, AND THEN THE THIRD IS THE PLAYGROUND.
NO, THEY CANNOT USE THE SCHOOL'S
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PLAYGROUND.SCHOOLS HAVE TO BE COMPLETELY SECURED, ESPECIALLY ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS ACCESS TO A SCHOOL PLAYGROUND IS, IS NULL AND VOID.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A SURVEY OR, OR AT LEAST A NO PROOF THAT THEY SENT A LETTER TO EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD WITH A RESPONSE CARD THAT YES, I WANT THE PLAYGROUND REMOVED.
NO, I DON'T WANT THE PLAYGROUND REMOVED, BUT MY BIGGEST ISSUE IS, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA MAKE YOU PUT THIS SIGN ON IT SAYING IT'S PUBLIC ACCESS.
SO NOW WE'RE GONNA PUT IT WAY OVER HERE AND THEN PUT A COMPLETE FENCE AROUND IT SO NOBODY CAN SEE IT FROM THE ROAD.
AND YEAH, IT'S GOT PUBLIC ACCESS, BUT WE'RE GONNA MAKE IT REALLY, BUT IF THEY CROSS OUR LAND TO GET TO IT, BECAUSE IT'S A GATED COMMUNITY, I MEAN, IT'S, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T JUST GET INTO THIS COMMUNITY.
THIS IS NOT A GATED COMMUNITY.
IT'S NOT, OH, IT USED TO, IT WAS 'CAUSE I'VE BEEN OUT THERE.
OKAY, THIS, THIS PORTION AT LEAST IS NOT GATED.
THIS IS LOCATED THAT WOULD NEGATE THE PUBLIC.
YEAH, BUT I MEAN, STILL, THAT'S THE REASON WE PICKED OPTION TWO IS 'CAUSE IT WAS ON THE ROAD, IT WAS ON THE STREET, AND IT HAD TO HAVE PUBLIC ACCESS.
THIS, IT DID STATE THAT THEY, THE COMMITTEE DETERMINES TO STAY WITH OPTION TWO.
THEY, UM, THEY ARE AMENABLE TO THAT.
UM, AND THEY DID SAY THAT THEY HAD, UM, THEY HAD AN ESTIMATE FOR OPTION TWO AND THAT THEY HAD INCLUDED IT, BUT THEY DID NOT INCLUDE THE ESTIMATE FOR OPTION TWO.
SO, UM, I UNFORTUNATELY JUST HAD TO PRESENT WHAT THEY PROVIDED.
SECOND, I CONCUR WITH EVERYTHING CHRIS SAID.
I MEAN, WHEN DID WE PRESENTED THIS TO ENTIRE CITY ALL COUNCIL, RIGHT? CORRECT.
AND OPTION TWO WAS REALLY KIND OF PUSHING IT.
SO I MEAN, AND ASK US TO YEAH.
ASK TO MOVE THE GOALPOST EVEN FURTHER AWAY THAN IT WAS THE FIRST TIME.
I WOULD VEHEMENTLY OPPOSE ANYTHING ANYWHERE NEAR ONE HESITANTLY SUPPORT OBJECT.
I WAS A HUNDRED PERCENT OUT AT THE MENTION OF REMOVING THEIR PLAYGROUND.
UNLESS, UNLESS THERE IS SOMETHING THAT IS A LIFE SAFETY SITUATION GOING ON WITH THEIR PLAYGROUND A HUNDRED PERCENT AGAINST IT.
UM, NOT ONLY THAT, IT MOVES THIS CLOSER TO THEIR POOL.
SO I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE WE DIDN'T THINK THAT PART THROUGH, BUT IT'S, IF, IF WE'RE REQUIRING WHATEVER AMENITIES THAT THEY'RE ADDING THIS PICKLEBALL COURT TO BE A PUBLIC ACCESS SITUATION AND PEOPLE WANT TO PUBLIC ACCESS IT, YOU ARE OPENING YOURSELF UP FOR PEOPLE ATTEMPTING TO GET INTO YOUR POOL.
I, I THINK IT'S A HORRIBLE IDEA.
UM, I'M, I'M, I'M MOST DEFINITELY NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS.
UM, I, I WOULD LIKE THAT WE JUST STICK WITH THE FIRST, THE FIRST APPROVAL AND YEAH.
AND IF THEY WANNA PAY FOR IT A HUNDRED PERCENT THEMSELVES, THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WITH PERMITTING.
BUT, UM, AGAIN, REMOVING THE PLAYGROUND AND SAYING THAT THEY'RE GONNA USE THE SCHOOL PLAYGROUND, THAT'S, THAT, THAT'S A NO GO.
SO, UM, I WANNA, LIKE I SAID, IT BOTHERS ME THAT OKAY, YES, WE HAVE TO PUT THIS SIGN UP, SO NOW WE'RE GONNA MAKE IT OKAY.
IT'S WAY OVER THERE AND YOU GOTTA CROSS OUR PROPERTY TO GET TO IT AND WE'RE GONNA PUT A FENCE ALL THE WAY AROUND IT SO YOU CAN'T SEE WHAT'S INSIDE THE FENCE TO EVEN KNOW TO GO LOOK AT THE YEAH, THAT, THAT JUST REALLY, REALLY BOTHERS ME TO USE PUBLIC MONEY AND THEN TRY TO HIDE IT FROM THE PUBLIC.
UM, REVERT BACK TO THE ORIGINAL.
SO I'LL NOTIFY THE APPLICANT, UM, AND WE'LL MOVE FORWARD THAT WAY, SNEAKY PEOPLE.
AND THEN, UM, WE'LL PRESENT TO COUNSEL.
SAME THE SECOND FEBRUARY IS THAT, THAT WORK? UNLESS YOU NEED IT DONE FASTER.
NO, YOU KNOW WHAT, USUALLY WE FLY THROUGH THESE AND SO FIRST I AM EXCITED THAT WE HAD SO MANY APPLICANTS THIS YEAR BECAUSE WE'VE HAD MANY TIMES WHERE WE JUST HAD ONE, ONE APPLICANT.
AND SO I AM GRATEFUL THAT WE'RE
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GETTING THIS MATCHING GRANT, UM, USED RIGHT NOW.OKAY, MR. SLAY, WE ARE REPORTING THIS BACK TO COUNSEL, UM, SECOND MEETING IN FEBRUARY AS WELL.
OKAY, MOVING ON TO OUR, UM, ITEM C IS USED TIRE DISPOSAL AND RECYCLING, AND WE'VE GOT CODE COMPLIANCE, SANITATION, LANDFILL.
WE GOT EVERYBODY GETTING EVERYBODY IN ON THIS ACTION FOR WHAT? I LOVE IT.
GOOD MORNING EVERYONE COME BACK.
UH, MY NAME'S SCOTT BOLLINGER.
I'M WITH A NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY DIRECTOR.
UH, WE HAD SPOKEN AT SOME PREVIOUS COMMUNITY SERVICES COMMITTEE MEETINGS ABOUT, UM, ABOUT TIRES, UH, THE DISPOSAL, HANDLING OTHER ISSUES.
UM, WE EVEN SPOKE WITH SOME TIRE SHOP OPERATORS AT A, AT A PREVIOUS MEETING TO GET THEIR FEEDBACK.
SO THIS IS A SCOPING DISCUSSION.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY PREPARED MATERIAL.
THIS IS JUST, UM, UH, ME FACILITATING THE DISCUSSION.
I BROUGHT THE EXPERTS HERE TO, TO TELL ME WHAT'S RIGHT.
UM, BUT THIS IS, THIS IS AT THE DIRECTION OF THE COMMITTEE TO EXPLORE ANY ISSUES REGARDING USED TIRE DISPOSAL AND RECYCLING.
SO, UM, REALLY IT'S, IT'S, IT'S OVER TO Y'ALL.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE US TO, TO RESEARCH? WHAT QUESTIONS CAN WE ANSWER? UM, WHAT ISSUES CAN WE TRY TO RESOLVE? UM, SO I THINK THAT WHEN WE LEFT OUR LAST MEETING, UM, THE GOAL REALLY IS TO LOOK AT THE COST OF WHAT ILLEGALLY DUMPING TIRES IS COSTING US AS A CITY.
UM, AND WHAT WAYS OUTSIDE OF THE BOX THINKING CAN WE DO TO HELP THAT.
UM, I'VE DONE A LITTLE LOOKING AROUND, UM, FROM WHAT I'VE READ, WE'RE ONLY ALLOWED SO MANY TIRES AT THE TRANSFER STATION LANDFILL BEFORE WE ARE IN A DIFFERENT CATEGORY OF SORTS.
IS THAT RIGHT? AM I CLOSE TO THAT? YES, YOU ARE CORRECT.
IF WE STAY BELOW 500, THEN WE DO NOT NEED A PERMIT FROM THE TCEQ TO BECOME TIRE GENERATORS.
UM, AND MR. MORRIS, DO YOU KNOW ABOUT ROUGH ESTIMATE? AND IF YOU DON'T KNOW, IT'S FINE.
UM, HOW MANY TIRES WE ARE PICKING UP THAT ARE JUST DUMPED ALONG OUR ROADWAYS.
I DON'T HAVE IT HANDY, BUT I CAN CERTAINLY RESEARCH IT.
OKAY, BRIAN, AND GIVE IT BACK TO YOU.
UH, SO FAR THIS FISCAL YEAR, WE'VE PICKED UP 146 TIRES FROM CODE.
AND CODE IS BY FAR OUR BIGGEST CITY DEPARTMENT THAT PICKS UP, UH, ILLEGALLY DUMP TIRES.
UM, SO WHAT, WHAT DOES IT COST US? LIKE ONCE WE HAVE THOSE A HUNDRED SOMETHING TIRES, LIKE WHAT, WHAT DO WE DO NEXT AND WHAT DOES THAT COST US? IS KIND OF WHERE MY BRAIN WAS GOING.
AND THEN HOW DO WE, WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO COMBAT THAT? LIKE, CAN WE REUSE TIRES FOR PLAYGROUND INSTEAD OF MULCH? LIKE WHAT, WHAT KIND OF FORWARD THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE BOX THINGS COULD WE DO? 'CAUSE IT'S A PROBLEM THAT'S NOT GONNA GO AWAY, RIGHT? AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT FINANCIALLY WE'RE BEING GOOD STEWARDS.
'CAUSE WE KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO FIND THE PEOPLE DUMPING THESE TIRES TO FIND THEM, TO MAKE THEM STOP.
I JUST, I DON'T FORESEE THAT HAPPENING UNLESS EVERYONE WANTS TO FUND A CAMERA FACING A CREEK AND ALL OF THOSE FUN THINGS.
SO, UM, I AND URIEL, I'M SURE YOU CAN GIVE US AN IDEA LIKE, IS, IS THIS IN FACT A GROWING, LIKE FROM V VERSUS LAST YEAR? DO YOU FEEL LIKE THE NUMBER THAT WE'RE COLLECTING IS HIGHER? NO, IT'S, IT IS THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE ACTUALLY.
SO JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME DATA, SO FAR AT THIS FISCAL YEAR, WE'VE COLLECTED 560 TIRES AND THAT'S WITH OLD CITY DEPARTMENTS AND ALL THE RECYCLING EVENTS THAT WE'VE DONE, UH, WITHIN THE SANITATION DEPARTMENT.
AND WE HAVE SPENT 2,317, UH, DOLLARS.
UH, THE NUMBER OF TIRES THAT WE GET HAS BEEN DECREASING, ESPECIALLY
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OVER THE LAST, UH, THREE YEARS.AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS WE OFFER QUARTERLY RECYCLING EVENTS WHERE WE TAKE TIRES.
UH, WE DID ONE, UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS IN NOVEMBER, AND WE COLLECTED, UH, ALMOST A HUNDRED TIRES, BUT WE DO NOT SEE CITIZENS NOT EVEN ONCE A WEEK COMING TO THE TRANSFER STATION TO DROP OFF TIRES.
SO, UM, FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN, IT IS NOT A PROBLEM THAT IS GROWING.
I THINK WE'RE ADDRESSING IT PROACTIVELY BY MAKING, UH, FREE RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO OUR RESIDENTS VIA THE RECYCLING EVENTS THAT WE DO EVERY QUARTER.
UM, SO THE 500 TIRES, IS THAT LIKE AT ONE TIME OR THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO COLLECT DURING THE YEAR WITH THE TECU SITUATION? THAT'S STORAGE.
IF AT ANY TIME YOU STORE MORE THAN 500 TIRES, THEN AT THAT POINT YOU GO OVER THE THRESHOLD AND YOU ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE A PERMIT.
UM, SO OBVIOUSLY OUR TIRE RECYCLING, UM, EVENTS ARE GOING WELL.
UM, DO, AND WE HAVE A LIMIT CURRENTLY OF HOW MANY TIRES A RESIDENT CAN BRING IN TO ONE EVENT.
IS THAT CORRECT? WE'VE BEEN SAYING FOUR TIRES PER RESIDENT, BUT, UH, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, I WAS AT THE LAST EVENT AND WE HAD TWO PEOPLE THAT SHOWED UP WITH SIX.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT IS, THE NUMBER IS NOT SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH FOR US TO TURN PEOPLE AWAY.
I THINK, UM, LAST YEAR WE HAD ONE RESIDENT THAT SHOWED UP WITH SEVEN TIRES AT THE TRANSFER STATION.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US MAYBE JUST NOT EVEN CAP IT, UM, OUT LOUD, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE DOING.
SO WE'RE NOT ADVERTISING THAT THERE IS NO LIMIT, BUT IF SOMEBODY SHOWS UP WITH MORE THAN FOUR, WE'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND TAKE 'EM.
UM, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WHAT ARE THEY GONNA DO WITH, IF YOU HAVE SEVEN TIRES, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO IF, AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE TAKE 'EM BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST GONNA GO AROUND THE BLOCK AND DUMP 'EM.
SO, SO WE DON'T ADVERTISE THAT THERE IS A LIMIT, BUT WHEN SOMEBODY SHOWS UP IT'S 5, 6, 7, WE JUST GO AHEAD AND TAKE 'EM.
'CAUSE OTHERWISE, IF YOU TURN SOMEONE AWAY, WHAT ARE THEY GONNA DO? IF THEY'VE GOT CORRECT THREE MORE TIRES IN THEIR CAR, THEY'RE GONNA GO CHUNK 'EM ON THE ROAD.
ON THE ONE WAS, THINK ABOUT UNINTENDED.
SO IF, IF YOU, UH, ANYTIME YOU DO SOMETHING, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE AN UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE.
AND IF WE DO ADVERTISE THE AUTO LIMIT, THEN EVERY TIRE SHOP IN TOWN IS GONNA BE RIGHT.
YOU A TRUCKLOAD OF TIRES MM-HMM
AND THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE TO ADVERTISE THE LIMIT.
I MEAN, AND I, I THINK THAT OUR SANITATION CREW IS, I MEAN, THEY KNOW AND SO IF SOMEONE'S BRINGING, BRINGING IN, YOU KNOW, JUST AN EXORBITANT AMOUNT OF TIRES, I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE THE, WHAT'S ABOUT US TO BE LIKE YOU? NO, WE, WE TRACK THE CITIZENS THAT BRING IN TIRES.
SO IF WE HAVE THE SAME CITIZEN THAT SHOWS UP, YOU KNOW, THREE TIMES IN ONE MONTH WITH 10 TIRES, THEN WE, WE ASK MORE QUESTIONS.
BUT THAT, THAT DOESN'T, THAT HASN'T HAPPENED SO FAR YET.
THAT'S, THAT WAS GONNA BE A QUESTION IS IF WE, IF WE KEEP A RECORD OF THAT.
I, I CAN SEE HOUSEHOLD, OKAY, IF SOMEBODY, GRANDMA DIES AND GRANDPA WAS A HOARDER OF TIRES 'CAUSE WE MAY NEED THAT TIRE ON.
MY FATHER-IN-LAW WAS THAT PERSON, WE FOUND LIKE NINE RANDOM TIRES AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OIL FILTERS FOR VEHICLES THAT THEY DON'T FIT.
SO I WANT US TO BE ABLE TO SERVE THOSE PEOPLE, BUT NOT THESE LITTLE MOM AND POP TIRE SHOPS THAT JUST DON'T WANT TO PAY THE PROCESS FOR THE RECYCLE.
UM, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, I HAVE SEEN THEM DUMPED NEATLY NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE HAD A SET OF FOUR TRUCK TIRES STACKED, BURIED NEATLY NEXT TO A COMMERCIAL DUMPSTER.
THEY DUMPED THEM NEATLY
THEY WERE STACKED VERY PRETTY RIGHT NEXT TO THAT DUMPSTER.
UM, AND THEY DID GO PUT 'EM NEXT TO A DUMPSTER AND NOT, YOU KNOW, ON YOU SAY THEY DIDN'T PUT HIM IN THE DUMPSTER 'CAUSE IN THE DUMPSTER WOULD'VE BEEN BAD.
SO, BUT YEAH, I, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I, I LIKE THE IDEA THAT WE DO HAVE A FOUR TIRE LIMIT, BUT WE DO HAVE MULTIPLE EVENTS A YEAR.
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SO THAT SHOULD COVER ANYBODY THAT'S GOT TWO OR THREE CARS THAT THEY WANNA DO THE SELF-SERVE TYPE THING.UM, BUT WE CAN ALSO BE FLEXIBLE FOR THAT FAMILY THAT'S CLEANING OUT GRANDPA'S STORAGE BIN OR GARAGE AND WHY DO WE HAVE TIRES FOR VEHICLES WE OWN 20 YEARS AGO IN THERE? SO I APPRECIATE THAT VERY, VERY MUCH.
UM, OUR BIG ISSUE THAT BROUGHT ALL THIS IS WHEN WE WERE TALKING TO, UM, THE TIRE SHOP OWNERS IS THAT THEY'RE GETTING ILLEGAL TIRES DUMPED ON THEM.
AND THAT WAS SOMETHING WE NOT HAD NOT EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT.
THAT PEOPLE WERE DUMPING THEIR TIRES AT TIRE SHOPS COSTING THE TIRE SHOPS MONEY TOO.
SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT OUR RESIDENTS KNOW THAT WE'LL TAKE THOSE TIRES, BUT WE'VE GOT A LIMIT TO HOW MANY WE'LL TAKE.
AND YOU JUST HAVE TO FOLLOW THE RULES AND DON'T GO DUMP 'EM ON SOMEBODY THAT CAUSES THEM PROBLEMS. EVEN THOUGH WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A FEW LESS TIRE SHOPS IN TOWN, WE STILL DON'T WANT THEM ACCRUING THOSE COST OF DUMP TIRES IN THEIR DRIVEWAY ON MONDAY MORNINGS.
UM, BUT YEAH, I LIKE GETTING THE NUMBERS, SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE NUMBERS.
THAT MAKES IT A WHOLE LOT EASIER TO, UM, OKAY.
THANK YOU GENTLEMEN FOR BRINGING US THE GOOD STUFF.
UM, SO I KNOW, UM, MICHELLE WITH, UM, SANITATION HAS DONE LIKE A GARDENING, UH, COMPOSTING EVENTS BEFORE.
UM, SO ONE THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S STILL A THING, BUT LIKE, PEOPLE USING OLD TIRES FOR GARDENS, LIKE TO BUILD UP LIKE A RAISED GARDEN.
I DON'T KNOW IF MAYBE THAT WOULD BE, SOMETHINGS NOT ENVIRONMENT.
IT'S AING LEACHING OF THE, OF THE OILS AND, AND THE FIRE INTO THE FIRES ARE VERY WELL, OKAY, FINE.
I MEAN, BUT THEY USE, THEY USE RECYCLED TIRES FOR PLAYGROUND.
THEY'VE GONE THROUGH A WHOLE PROCESS.
WELL IT'S, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT AS GOOD AS YOU THINK IT'S EITHER.
I KNOW, BUT, AND THERE'S A WHOLE PROCESS.
THERE'S ALL TONS OF NEW CANCER AS KIDS ARE GETTING AWAY, SOCCER, CALM DOWN ON THE RUBBER FIELDS.
GOSH, THERE IS A WAY TO RECYCLE TIRES INTO USABLE MATERIALS, BUT IT'S, IT'S, UM, IT'S, IT'S A, IT IT'S GONNA COST US MORE THAN $2,000 THAT WE'RE SPENDING TO GET 'EM OUT.
HUGE INVESTMENT IN THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN, IN CAPITAL EXPENSES AND MAINTENANCE AND PERSONNEL.
MAYBE WE NEED A SCOUT, A TIRE RECYCLING COMPANY.
UM, WE HAVE ONE, UH, WE ACTUALLY, WE REACHED OUT TO THEM.
THEY HAVE THE CAPACITY TO TAKE ON ALL 57 SHOPS IN GARLAND.
THEY CURRENTLY SERVICE SIX OF 'EM.
IT'S ONE OF THE LARGEST TIRE RECYCLING FACILITIES IN THE COUNTRY AND IT'S LOCATED IN MIDLOTHIAN AND IT'S A MASSIVE OPERATION.
TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF INVESTMENT, BUT THEY HAVE A LOT OF CAPACITY AND THAT'S REALLY WHERE THE TIRE SHOPS, THEY HAVE A BUSINESS, THEY HAVE A BUSINESS EXPENSE.
THAT'S REALLY THEIR OUTLET FOR THAT.
AND UM, I THINK WE PRESENT THIS INFO TO COUNCIL AND JUST KIND OF A QUICK WHAT URIEL WENT OVER.
UM, THE TIRES REQUIRED FOR TECQ, UM, TO BE CONSIDERED A TIRE GENERATOR.
UM, AND THEN JUST KIND OF THE, THE NUMBERS OF FOUR EVENTS A YEAR, WHAT WE'VE COLLECTED.
WE CAN LEAVE OUT THE, UM, NO CAP ON TIRES, BUT, UM, FOR THE SAKE OF THE MEETING, BUT YEAH.
ONE QUICK NOTE TO ADD, JUST IN CASE THE QUESTION EVER ARISES THAT THE LANDFILL'S ACTUALLY PROHIBITED FROM TAKING TIRES AND INCLUDING THEM IN THE LANDFILL REGULATIONS.
WE HAVE A POLICY THAT WE DON'T EVEN RECEIVE THE, OFTENTIMES WE HAVE CUSTOMERS LOAD 'EM BACK UP IN THE TRAILER AND TAKE THAT'S JUST THE TECHNICALITY.
IT'S ALL WASTE REGULATION COMES UP.
WE DON'T EVEN, WE TRY TO NOT HANDLE IT.
WE DO THE SAME THING ARIEL DOES, WHICH IS SEND THEM TO THE MILLIKEN FACILITY.
SO, BUT THEY CAN BE TAKEN AT THE TRANSFER STATION.
SO CAN WE MAKE SURE WE INCLUDE THAT? UM, JUST LIKE AS A PSA, UM,
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THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD SOCIAL MEDIA POST ALSO.I'M SURE THAT'S PROBABLY ON THE WASTE.
I PEOPLE DON'T, IT'S ONE OF MY FAVORITES.
WHAT THE WASTE MY GARLAND AND THE WASTE WIZARD, THE E ASSIST MAN, ALL THAT STUFF.
WE'RE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO PUT IN OUR RECYCLING BINS.
WELL NO, WE HAD THE NO SOFT PLASTIC POST RECENTLY ABOUT LIKE, NO SOFT PLASTICS IN THE RECYCLING BIN.
AND MY CHILD WAS LIKE, I HAD NO IDEA.
LIKE THAT'S WHAT THE BOX AT WALMART, FRONT WALMART IS FOR ALL THAT STUFF.
BUT THE BACK SAYS IT'S RECYCLABLE.
THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH FOR ALL OF THAT GOOD INFO.
WE, AND WE'LL REPORT THIS OUT.
Y'ALL GOT LIT OFF THE HOOK EASY TODAY.
UM, I'M GONNA THANK YOU AHEAD OF TIME FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ENDURE OVER THE NEXT WEEK.
WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON TO OUR LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS THIRD PARTY MAILERS DISTRIBUTED CITYWIDE.
MY PERSONAL FAVORITE TOPIC, UM, I DON'T LIKE HOW THIS GOES THEN I'M SURE I'M NOT
UM, AND I, I DID, I DO HAVE A VIDEO ON MY PHONE, BUT I COULDN'T FIGURE OUT LIKE, UH, HOW TO GET IT TO ANYONE TO SHOW.
BUT THEY, I I FEEL LIKE THEY KNOW WHEN WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO IT BEING A HOT TOPIC AND THEY'RE LIKE, LET'S GET HER, LET'S GET HER.
WE HAD 30 FLYERS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD WITHIN 10 HOUSES LAST WEEK.
AND SO, UH, WELL, I MEAN, FROM MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, I LIVE IN SOUTH GARLAND.
UH, I THINK IT'S, I THINKS TO WHOEVER THEY'VE HIRED THAT WEEK TO THROW THEIR FLYERS.
AND IT'S, SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE IT IN BUNCHES.
IT'S GONNA BE WHATEVER AREA THAT PERSON WAS THROWING IN, BUT, UH, YEAH.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA LIKE, BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT YOU WANT TO DO,
FIRST OF ALL, JUST, JUST FOR Y'ALL THAT DON'T KNOW, UH, I'M WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
MY MAIN THING THAT I HANDLE IS, IS LITIGATION, WHICH MEANS I'VE LEARNED ABOUT THINGS KIND OF AS WE GET SUED ABOUT IT.
AND SO WE, LUCKILY WE'VE NEVER BEEN SUED ABOUT FIRST AMENDMENT ISSUES.
SO I'VE NOT, THE, THE, THE DEPTH OF MY EDUCATION INTO THE FIRST AMENDMENT.
IT'S NOT AS DEEP AS IT MIGHT BE INTO, SAY, 1983 CASES OR CAR WRECKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO, UH, I DON'T PURPORT TO BE A FIRST AMENDMENT EXPERT.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE, IF IT, IF THE QUESTIONS GET TOO DEEP, THE ANSWER MAY BE, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I CAN LOOK AT THAT ACCEPTABLE.
AND SO BASICALLY FROM, FROM WHAT I GOT FROM THE LAST TIME I WAS UP HERE, UH, THE ISSUE IS BASICALLY CAN WE BEEF UP OUR ORDINANCE ABOUT THE DISTRIBUTION OF UNSOLICITED FLYERS? UH, IT'S KIND OF, THERE WERE DIFFERENT ISSUES, BUT THAT KIND OF SUMS IT UP BEST.
UH, AND, AND I THINK THAT'S A FAIR SUMMARY OF, OF WHAT WE HAVE.
AND, AND JUST TO KIND OF GO OVER WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE, THIS IS NOT THE ENTIRETY OF THE, OF OUR ORDINANCE ABOUT THIS, BUT IT, IT, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS WE, WE DO HAVE RESTRICTIONS ON COMMERCIAL HOME DISTRIBUTION, AND THAT'S THE DOOR TO DOOR DISTRIBUTION OF ADVERTISEMENTS.
AND THEN WE HAVE, UH, THE KIND OF RESTRICTIONS THAT WE HAVE SPECIFICALLY, SPECIFICALLY TO FLYERS.
AND THAT IS, UH, IT, IT COMES DOWN TO, UH, THEY HAVE TO OBEY OUR NO SOLICITATION REQUEST SIGNS.
UH, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO A RESTRICTION THAT IT HAS TO BE, UH, WITHIN FIVE FEET OF THE FRONT DOOR.
AND, AND THERE'S REGISTRATION RE REQUIREMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT, THAT APPLY TO ALL SOLICITATIONS.
THESE ARE THE, THE THREE, UH, SECTIONS OF THE ORDINANCES THAT REALLY DEAL WITH THE FLYERS.
AND AS IT WILL OFTEN HAPPEN, UH, TIMING IS EVERYTHING.
UH, WHEN THIS CAME UP AND WE FIRST STARTED CONSIDERING IT, I WOULD'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME SAYING, WELL, THE FIFTH CIRCUIT HADN'T ADDRESSED THIS RECENTLY, BUT WELL, AS OF LAST MONTH, THE FIFTH CIRCUIT HAS ADDRESSED SOMETHING SOMEWHAT SIMILAR.
THEY DIDN'T QUITE GET INTO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHICH IS THE PLACEMENT TYPE, UH, THINGS OR, OR, OR ARE THAT, BUT THEY, WE NOW HAVE
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A PRETTY GOOD IDEA OF WHAT THE FIFTH CIRCUIT IS GONNA SAY ABOUT THIS.AND FOR THOSE WHO ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE, THE FEDERAL SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE, FEDERAL COURTS AND AN APPEAL FROM A FEDERAL COURT GOES TO THE FIFTH DISTRICT COURT OF APPEALS OR FIFTH CIRCUIT COURT OF APPEALS IN, IN NEW ORLEANS.
AND SO THESE ARE THE GUYS THAT ARE GONNA HEAR OUR CASES IF IT GOES THAT FAR.
AND SO, UH, IT'S DEALT WITH, UH, THE CITY OF KERRVILLE, UH, HAD A, A ORDINANCE THAT THEY PASSED AND THEY REGULATED WHAT THEY CALLED CANVASSERS VERSUS SOLICITORS.
THERE'S A FEW DIFFERENCE IN THERE.
BUT BASICALLY IT BOILED DOWN TO COMMERCIAL VERSUS NON-COMMERCIAL.
JUST LIKE OUR ORDINANCE REGULATES COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY MUCH MORE THAN IT DOES NON-COMMERCIAL.
'CAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THE REAL FIRST HARDCORE FIRST AMENDMENT ISSUES, WHICH ARE RELIGION, UH, POLITICS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, AND SO OUR REGULATIONS ARE ADDRESSED PRIMARILY AT COMMERCIAL SOLICITATIONS.
KERRVILLE HAD IN THERE TO SUMMARIZE, UH, THEIR PROVISIONS.
THEY HAD A, UH, AN HOURS PROVISION WHERE YOU COULDN'T, COULDN'T SOLICIT OR DOOR TO DOOR OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, PASSED A CERTAIN TIME OF DAY.
UH, THEY ALSO HAD A PROVISION WHERE YOU HAD TO HONOR NO SOLICITATION SIGNS.
UH, AND THOSE WERE ADDRESSED AT, AT EVERYBODY.
AND THEN THEY HAD THEIRS THAT THEY ADDRESSED AT WHAT THEY CALLED SOLICITORS, WHICH ARE COMMERCIAL.
AND THAT'S A STREETS PROVISION.
YOU COULDN'T PASS OUT FLYERS IN THE STREET OR IN CITY RIGHT AWAY.
AND THEY HAD SPECIAL PROVISIONS FOR MINORS.
AND THIS IS WHAT THE FIFTH CIRCUIT LOOKED AT.
UH, AND, AND ALTHOUGH THE ISSUES ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT, THEY DIDN'T QUITE GET TO THE FLYER ISSUE.
IT DOES GIVE US PRETTY GOOD INSIGHT OF HOW THEY'LL LOOK AT THIS.
SO CAN WE JUST BAN 'EM ALL TOGETHER? PROBABLY NOT.
I MEAN, NO, WE CAN'T, YOU'RE GONNA RUN INTO THAT PROBLEM ALL THE TIME, AND I'LL KIND OF EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT A BIT ABOUT THAT AS WE GO.
BUT EVEN THOUGH COMMERCIAL SPEECH IS SOMEWHAT LESS PROTECTED THAN, THAN PURE FIRST AMENDMENT SPEECH, UH, IT'S STILL DIFFICULT TO DEFEND A TOTAL BAN.
UH, THE FEDERAL COURTS ARE BIG FANS OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT, UH, WHEN IT SUITS THEM, UM,
AND THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, FREE SPEECH FROM COMMERCIAL FLYERS, DOOR TO DOOR, UH, SALES, THAT TYPE OF THING.
UH, AND THAT WAS REAFFIRMED IN THIS, THIS CASE FROM FIFTH CIRCUIT.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT KIND OF SURPRISED ME, UH, IN THIS WAS THERE WAS REALLY NO CONSIDERATION BY THE COURT ABOUT WHAT WE USUALLY WILL FALL BACK ON.
AND WHAT I CERTAINLY THINK OF FIRST WHEN I THINK OF, OF FLYERS, AND THAT IS LITTER, UH, THEY SHOT THAT DOWN, UH, FAIRLY QUICKLY.
AND I'LL GO INTO A LITTLE BIT WHY, UH, LATER.
UH, BUT THE AS, BUT BASICALLY CLEANLINESS OF YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS NOT SOMETHING THAT THEY REALLY SEE AS, AS, AS, AS SOMETHING THAT JUSTIFIES TOO MUCH RESTRICTION ON FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS, WHICH KIND OF SURPRISED ME.
AND WHAT SURPRISED ME THE MOST WAS THEY DIDN'T EVEN REALLY GIVE IT A LOT OF CONSIDERATION.
THEY, THEY, THIS IS A SUBTLE DEAL.
WE'RE MOVING ON, AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY IN A SECOND.
UM, AND, AND THEY PROBABLY FAIL, UH, BECAUSE WHEN THEY'RE LOOKING AT THIS TYPE OF THING, YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SHOW TO US TO BACK UP OUR RESTRICTION IS THE REGULAR REGULATION DIRECTLY ADVANCES A SUBSTANTIAL GOVERNMENTAL INTEREST.
AND THE REGULATION IS NOT MORE NECESS, MORE EXTENSIVE THAN NECESSARY.
AND WHERE IT WHY FAILED WITH THE LITTERING ARGUMENT IS THEY, THE FIFTH CIRCUIT SAYS THAT THAT CLEANLINESS IS NOT NECESSARY AT WHAT THEY CALL A SUBSTANTIAL GOVERNMENTAL INTEREST.
THAT THE CLEANLINESS OF YOUR NEIGHBORHOODS IS NOT, IS NOT NECESSARILY RISE TO THAT LEVEL.
AND THAT EVEN IF IT DID, THE REGULATION THAT IS, IS TOO EXTENSIVE TO BAN IT ALTOGETHER.
REGULATION, FOR EXAMPLE, COULD BE ENFORCE YOUR LITTERING LAWS.
AND THAT'S KIND OF THE ATTITUDE THEY'VE HAD AT THIS.
AND SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS KIND OF EXPRESS OF ME.
LIKE HERE, HERE'S WHAT THE FIFTH CIRCUIT SAID ABOUT IT, IS THE PURPOSE TO KEEP THE STREETS CLEAN AND AND OF GOOD APPEARANCE IS INSUFFICIENT TO JUSTIFY AN ORDINANCE WHICH PROHIBITS DISTRIBUTION OF LITERATURE.
AND IT'S BECAUSE OF THOSE TWO LEVELS, IT HAS TO BOTH, IT IT PRIMARILY THE, THERE'S AN EASIER WAY TO DO THIS WITH LESS RESTRICTION ON, ON FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS.
AND THAT'S THE PUNISH, THE LITTERING, NOT THE, NOT THE FLYER.
AND THEN THE SECOND ONE THAT WE SOMETIMES WILL SEE IN THESE ARE PRIVACY THAT'S GENERALLY WITH DOOR KNOCKING AND SOLICITING, BUT COULD BE IF THEY'RE HANGING ON
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YOUR DOORKNOB.AND IT AGAIN SAYS, DANGEROUS TO DISTRIBUTION CAN BE REGULATED BY MEANS LESS DRASTIC THAN A TOTAL PROHIBITION.
AND THIS IS WHERE THINGS LIKE CURFEWS, YOU CAN'T DO IT PAST A CERTAIN HOUR, EVEN THOUGH THEY'VE SHOT SOME OF THE, SOME CITIES DOWN AND SOME REGULATIONS DOWN IN THAT, IN THAT AREA, THEY HAVE, UH, ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THEY'RE, A LINE EXISTS SOMEWHERE YOU CAN'T GO.
UH, THE EXAMPLE THEY USE IS YOU CAN'T GO KNOCKING ON SOMEBODY'S DOOR AT 3:00 AM TO SELL 'EM SOMETHING, BUT THEY, THEY HAVEN'T EXACTLY DRAWN WHERE THAT LINE IS YET.
IT'S SOMEWHERE EARLIER THAN OR THAN 3:00 AM BUT THAT'S ALL WE KNOW AT THIS POINT.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE STILL ON THIS.
UH, BUT THESE ARE TYPE OF THINGS THAT THE CASES HAVE SHOWN.
LESS RESTRICTIVE MAGS, NO SOLICITATION SIGNS, UH, TIME OF DAY LIMITS, PERMIT OR REGISTRATION SYSTEMS, ENFORCEMENT OF LITERAL ORDINANCES AND RESTRICTIONS ON PLACEMENT, WHICH WE PRETTY MUCH HAVE IN IN OURS.
UH, AND I CAN, I'LL TALK ABOUT THIS AND NOW CAN WE TIGHTEN IT UP? THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY WHAT THIS COMES DOWN.
WE, WE WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO COMPLETELY BAN IT.
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE COULD DEFEND THAT.
I THINK WE WOULD LOSE THAT CASE IF SOMEBODY WERE TO BRING IT.
SO, YOU KNOW, I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND A TOTAL BAN, BUT, YOU KNOW, CAN WE TIGHTEN IT UP AND THE WAY OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE IS SET UP AND, UH, IT WAS SET UP WELL, UH, IT IT, ONCE I STARTED LOOKING AT WHAT WE HAD AS AN ORDINANCE AND I STARTED LOOKING AT, AT THE CASES THAT THAT LED UP TO THIS CURVILLE CASE, UH, IT BECAME CLEAR IT, AND IT WAS NOT ME.
I WAS NOT INVOLVED, WAS
WELL, THAT'S FUNNY BECAUSE WHEN I SAID WHAT I'M ABOUT TO SAY, BRIAN CLAIMED HE WROTE THE ORDINANCE.
SO WHOEVER DID IT, HE WAS WITH ME.
WHOEVER DID IT OBVIOUSLY READ UP ON THIS AND KNEW AND, AND THEY DID.
WHAT I'M GONNA SAY IS WE'VE GOT OUR BEST SHOT OF MAKING ONE STICK IN THE KERRVILLE CASE THAT WAS RECENTLY DECIDED.
WE MAY LOSE, BUT WE'VE PROBABLY GONE ABOUT AS FAR AS WE CAN AND STILL HAVE A CHANCE TO POSSIBLY PREVAIL ALTOGETHER.
AND I SO CONGRATULATIONS MIKE
UH, SO, UH, WE MAY HAVE SOME AREAS WE COULD TIGHTEN IT UP A BIT.
AND, AND I'M NOT GONNA CALL ON YOU AS A TO INPUT AS AN ATTORNEY MIKE, BUT AS A FACT WITNESS, YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME KNOWLEDGE IF WE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS AND DISREGARD IT OR NOT.
WHEN I GET THERE, UH, LIKE I SAID, CURRENTLY IT APPEARS TO BE AS SOLID AS WE COULD HOPE FOR.
AND I, AND I REALLY THINK IT WOULD LIKELY, UH, UH, WITHSTAND MOST CONDITIONAL, MOST CONSTITUTIONAL CHALLENGES.
ONE THING I WAS SURPRISED TO FIND IS I, THE MORE I ANALYZE IT, THE MORE I'M, I'M CONVINCED PROBABLY ONE OF THE WEAKER POINTS IS THE LOCATION SAYING WE HAVE TO, THEY HAVE TO THROW WITHIN FIVE FEET OF THE FRONT DOOR.
I THOUGHT WE'D BE PRETTY SOLID ON THAT.
THERE'S STILL A PRETTY GOOD ARGUMENT FOR THAT.
BUT LOCATION REQUIREMENTS LIKE THAT ARE A LITTLE, UH, WOULD BE AT RISK IF SOMEBODY DECIDED TO CHALLENGE IT.
AND THEN THE REGISTRATION REQUIREMENT, THAT'S KIND OF BEEN THE THING THAT'S CHANGED THE MOST PROBABLY SINCE WE ENACTED THIS ORDINANCE.
THERE'VE BEEN A LOT OF CASES AND, AND THE WAY OURS IS SET UP, IT COULD BE TIGHTENED UP IN PLACES.
UM, BUT IT, IT COULD BE AN ISSUE, BUT I THINK IT WOULD SURVIVE.
BUT THERE, THERE MAY BE SOME ISSUES WE WOULD HAVE SOME VULNERABILITY AT.
UH, WE COULD, THESE ARE SOME OF THE SUGGESTIONS I MIGHT HAVE IF WE WANNA REVISIT THIS.
AND THAT IS, CURRENTLY AS IT'S WRITTEN, THE ENFORCEMENT, UH, IS AGAINST THE PERSON DISTRIBUTING.
I THINK THAT'S THE MOST, UH, I DON'T WANNA SAY EFFECTIVE, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT PERSON THREW IT, THAT PERSON DID IT IN A WRONG, IN AN INCORRECT MANNER.
THAT PERSON SHOULD BE TICKETED.
UH, IT'S KIND OF, THE WAY I LOOK AT IT, IT SEEMS MORE PRACTICAL.
UM, BUT WE COULD LOOK AT ENFORCEMENT AGAINST THE COMPANY THAT, THAT IS RETAINING THESE, IT'S GONNA BE DIFFICULT WITH THE LEVELS THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, TO GET THROUGH TO GET TO THE COMPANY THAT'S IN CHARGE.
IT'S GONNA BE DIFFICULT TO SHOW THAT THEY KNEW OR SHOULDN'T HAVE KNOWN THIS WAS HAPPENING.
AND WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO GET JUST A, HEY, IT'S YOUR FLYER, YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO KNOW, UH, THAT, THAT THEY KNEW OR SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT, THAT SOMEBODY THAT THEY HAD HAD RETAINED TO DO THIS WAS VIOLATING, UH, THEIR STANDARDS.
THAT MAY BE PRETTY DIFFICULT FROM A CONSTITUTIONAL STANDPOINT.
I THINK IT KIND OF HELPS, IT MAKES IT EVEN MORE DEFENDABLE THAT WE'RE GOING AFTER THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ULTIMATELY MAKING THESE THINGS.
BUT, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT IT, WHO OUR ABILITY TO GO AFTER PEOPLE IS NOT REALLY GONNA BE CONSTITUTIONALLY STRICKEN.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO BEEF UP OUR CONSTITUTIONALITY THERE.
UH, THIS IS THE PART THAT THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SOME INPUT ABOUT WHETHER THE ENFORCEMENT SHOULD BE BY POLICE OR CODE.
UH, I'M NOT SURE WHAT DISCUSSIONS WERE HAD WERE HAD THERE.
UH, I KNOW CODE IS OFTEN INVOLVED
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WITH THESE.IN FACT, OUR CODE DEPARTMENT HAS, UH, HAS ESTABLISHED A CONNECTION WITH@LEASTTHESAVE.COM GROUP OF FOLKS.
AND SO TO, TO, TO SHIFT MORE ENFORCEMENT ABILITY OR MORE ABILITY TO CITE PEOPLE, UH, FOR THESE TO THE CODE DEPARTMENT, UH, MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT THAT WOULD BE WORTH LOOKING INTO.
AND THEN THE THIRD THING THAT, THAT I, WHERE WE COULD MAYBE BEEF IT UP WOULD BE RATHER THAN THE, THE FIVE FOOT REQUIREMENT, UH, WOULD HAVE MAYBE REQUIREMENTS SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE ATTACHED TO THE DOOR OR ATTACHED TO SOMETHING SOLID, UH, WEIGHTED DOWN IN SOME WAY SO THAT IT DOESN'T FLY OFF.
UH, ALTHOUGH I THINK YOUR EXPERIENCE, IN MY EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN THESE THINGS AREN'T FLYING OFF OF PEOPLE'S FRONT PORCH.
THAT'S NOT WHAT'S PUTTING THEM IN THE STREETS.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S GONNA BE ANYTHING.
PLUS I'M NOT GONNA SAY THAT THIS WOULD BE LIKELY, BUT I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE MORE PROBLEM, MORE PEOPLE THAT HAVE PROBLEMS WITH SOMEBODY ATTACHING SOMETHING TO THEIR FRONT DOOR THAN, THAN HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THESE FLYERS.
UM, ONCE THEY'RE TOUCHING MY DOOR, THEY'RE JIGGLING MY, MY DOOR HANDLE.
THE KIND OF THINGS WITH, I DON'T KNOW THAT, THAT ADDING SOMETHING TO BEEF UP WHERE THEY HAVE TO ATTACH IT TO THE DOOR OR ATTACH IT TO SOMETHING ON THE PORCH, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WOULD BE WORTH MUCH GOING INTO.
BECAUSE ONE, I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE AREAS THAT WE'RE A LITTLE VULNERABLE ON AS FAR AS THE, UH, OUR REGULATION AND, AND WHO IS, I THINK WE WOULD GET A LOT OF COMPLAINTS FROM PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIKE PEOPLE TOUCHING THEIR DOOR, UH, BECAUSE THAT, THAT TO THEM IS A LITTLE MORE INTRUSIVE THAN THE FRONT PORCH OR THE EVEN THE DRIVEWAY, UH, YOU KNOW, TYPE THING.
AND SO, BUT WE COULD LOOK AT THAT IF WE WANTED TO DO THAT.
UM, I THINK THAT'S ABOUT ALL I HAVE IS KIND OF SUMMARIZING LEGALLY WHERE WE, WHERE WE ARE ON THIS.
UH, BUT TO BEST SUMMARIZE IT, I THINK WE'VE GOT A REALLY GOOD ORDINANCE IN PLACE.
I THINK AS, AS A, ON A, ON THE WHOLE, THESE TYPE OF ORDINANCES AND REGULATIONS ARE NOT FAVORED IN, UH, THE COURTS AND THE FIFTH CIRCUIT IN PARTICULAR.
AND SO I THINK, I THINK WHAT WE HAVE IS A VERY GOOD ORDINANCE THAT HAS A GOOD CHANCE OF SURVIVING PORTIONS OF IT COULD BE AT RISK, BUT, BUT MIKE AND BRIAN DID A FINE JOB.
THAT WAS THE PART THAT I, WELL, BUT I, I MEAN I THINK IT'S A REASONABLE SOLUTION BECAUSE ESPECIALLY WITH THE, AND AND I, I THINK WE WOULD DEFEND IT A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY THAN IT HAS BEEN.
AND THAT IS, LOOK, WE HAVE A SIGN ORDINANCE AND THE FIVE FOOT RULE ENSURES THEY GET CLOSE ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE SIGN.
'CAUSE IF YOU'RE THROWING IT ON THE CURB, THERE NO SOLICITATION MEANS NOTHING TO THOSE PEOPLE.
THEY'RE NOT SEEING THE FRONT DOOR.
I DON'T SEE THE FIVE FOOT, UM, PORTION IS A NEGATIVE.
I SOMEONE THAT NO CLEARLY DOESN'T FOLLOW A FIVE FOOT ORDINANCE, ISN'T GONNA FOLLOW A, IT HAS TO BE ON A DOOR ORDINANCE.
THEY, THEY QUITE LITERALLY DO NOT HEAR, THEY DRIVE DOWN THE STREET, THEY HOLD THEM OUT THE WINDOW AND THAT'S WHERE THEY LAND.
I'VE GOT VIDEOS OF THEM ACTUALLY DOING IT.
THAT'S, I MEAN, IT IT'S CLEAR HOW THIS HAS HAPPENED.
THEY'RE NOT, THAT'S WHY THE WAY, THE WAY THAT DOWN HAD THING, THAT'S NOT HOW THEY'RE GETTING THERE.
UH, THE ATTACH IT TO THE FRONT DOOR.
I THINK THAT WOULD UPSET MORE PEOPLE THAN, THAN IN TODAY, APRIL.
AND QUITE HONESTLY, A COMPLAINT THAT, HEY, I'M TIRED OF HAVING TO PICK UP THIS WIRE OFF MY FRONT PORCH.
DOESN'T MOVE THE NEEDLE A LOT.
UH, I'M TIRED OF THIS BEING IN MY GUTTER, BEING SOAKED WITH WATER AND I'VE GOTTA GO PICK IT UP AND THEY'RE, I LOOK DOWN MY STREET AND THAT GETS A LITTLE MORE ATTENTION.
UH, AND SO I MEAN, I, LIKE I SAID, I THINK WE'VE GOT A PRETTY SOLID ORDINANCE.
I LIKE ANYTHING ELSE, YOU KNOW, INTERVENING YEARS.
IF GIVEN US SOMETHING, WE COULD TWEAK IT.
UH, SO IF THE, IF THE COUNCIL WERE TO REVISIT IT, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE SOMETHING WE WOULD DO.
WANNA LOOK AT IT AS A WHOLE AND SEE WHERE, WHERE WE COULD TWEAK IT TO MATCH THE CURRENT STATE OF THE LAW.
UM, BUT I, I THINK IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO WE'VE GOT THE ORDINANCE, IT'S ABOUT ENFORCEMENT AND THERE'S DIFFICULT, I, I CAN SPEAK TO THE, THE POLICE VERSUS CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE.
SO IT HAD TO DO AT THE TIME WITH THE SOLICITATION PERMITS THAT WE WERE ISSUING AND WHERE THEY CAME FROM AND THE BACKGROUND CHECKS WE WERE DOING ON 'EM, NUMBER ONE.
NUMBER TWO IS, UH, MADAM CHAIR, THE ISSUE THAT YOU JUST RAISED, WHICH IS THE WAY THESE VIOLATIONS OCCUR FOR THE MOST PART, IS NOT THAT THERE'S A PERSON ACTUALLY WALKING DOOR TO DOOR BECAUSE THEN MAYBE CODE COULD TALK TO THAT PERSON, WRITE 'EM A TICKET, DO WHATEVER ELSE.
CODE DOESN'T REALLY HAVE THE ABILITY TO DETAIN PEOPLE.
SO IF SOMEBODY'S WALKING DOOR TO DOOR AND THEY'RE DON'T HAVE A SOLICITATION PERMIT OR THEY'RE DOING WHAT THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DO ON THIS
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STUFF, CODE CAN JUST WALK ALONGSIDE THEM.BUT THEY'LL, YOU KNOW, HOW THEY TREAT CODE, YOU KNOW, IN ASK THEM TO STOP.
BUT THERE'S NO, THE SECOND THING IS, IS BECAUSE MOST OF 'EM ACTUALLY ARE PEOPLE JUST THROWING 'EM OUT.
THE VEHICLE CODE HAS NO WAY TO STOP A VEHICLE.
AND POLICE, IF THEY SEE 'EM DOING THAT, CAN STOP THE VEHICLE AND DO THAT.
THE PROBLEM IS, GIVEN THE CRIME PROFILE AND THE SERIOUSNESS OF THIS CRIME VERSUS SOME OF OTHER CRIME THAT THEY'RE INVOLVED IN, GETTING POLICE ATTENTION TO DO THAT IS SOMEWHAT CHALLENGING.
KNEW, I KNEW THERE, THERE WAS A REASON IT WAS DONE THE WAY THERE.
IT'S JUST CODE CODE HAS A VERY LIMITED ABILITY TO TRY TO ENFORCE THIS, UH, EXCEPT TO GO AFTER WHOEVER'S ADVERTISEMENT.
AND THE RESPONSE USUALLY, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A PIZZA HUT AD IS WE PAID TO HAVE THESE DELIVERED TO PEOPLE'S FRONT DOORS.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHY THE VENDOR'S DOING THAT.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE, WHAT YOU FACE, IT'S REALLY, YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO STOP THE GUY WHO'S JUST THROWING HIM OUT THE WINDOW ALL OVER THE YARD FLYING LIKE SNOW BASED ON WHAT HITS WHAT HAS HIT OUR OFFICE.
THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING THE PIZZA HUT OR THE THE CHINESE RESTAURANT DOWN THE, THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GETTING IT THERE.
'CAUSE THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE ARE GETTING IT.
BUT IT'S THE, IT'S THE PREPACKAGED, YOU KNOW, THROWING AND BECAUSE JUST THEY JUST THROW 'EM OUT THE WINDOW.
THEY LITERALLY JUST DROPPED HIM.
UM, SO WE, WE STILL DO THE SOLICITATION PERMITS.
THAT'S STILL AN ACTIVE THING THAT AS FAR AS I'M AWARE, THEY STILL GO THROUGH THAT.
AND, AND QUITE HONESTLY, WE'RE PROBABLY THAT IN LOOKING AT THIS, IF WE WERE TO REVISIT THIS AS A WHOLE, THERE, THERE WOULD BE SOME TWEAKS THERE BECAUSE THEY'VE, THEY'VE KIND OF REIGNED IN WE'RE, WE'RE A LITTLE BROADER WITH OUR QUESTIONING AND WHAT WE LOOK INTO THAN WHAT WOULD PROBABLY BE ACCEPTABLE THESE DAYS IN COURT.
UH, BUT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, UNTIL WE'RE IT'S PROBABLY NOT A HOT BUTTON ISSUE TO, TO GO REVISIT THAT UNLESS WE'RE THE SAME REQUIREMENTS THAT ANY DIVORCE SOLICITATION.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO FIND OUT IF THEY ACTUALLY HAVE GOTTEN PERMITS TO DO THESE FLYERS, UM, AND THEIR REGISTRATION OR WHATEVER.
EVERY TIME I'VE CHECKED ON IT, THE, THEY CAN MAKE SURE IT, THEY'RE THE PERMITTED INDIVIDUAL IS THE PERSON THROWING THE FLYERS NOT SAVED.COM SAVE DOT COM'S NOT GETTING THE PERMIT.
SO, BUT WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS SEE IF WE CAN FIND OUT IF THEY CAN GIVE US A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION OF WHO THEY'RE USING.
UM, BECAUSE I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST NOT PERMIT THEM PERMITS BECAUSE YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T FOLLOW OUR ORDINANCE.
SO I FEEL LIKE THAT WOULD BE A VERY JUST REASON TO NOT ALLOW A PERMIT BECAUSE YOU'VE, THE SAVE SAVE HAS BEEN NOTIFIED MULTIPLE TIMES THAT THEY'RE IN VIOLATION OF OUR CITY ORDINANCE.
WE'VE ASKED THEM TO STOP, WE'VE ASKED THEM TO EDUCATE THE, THE CONTRACTORS THAT THEY'RE HIRING, BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, SURE, YOU'RE NOT THE ONE THROWING IT, BUT YOU ARE HIRING THE PEOPLE.
THEY'RE AN EXTENSION OF YOUR COMPANY.
YOU AS A COMPANY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR EDUCATING THE PEOPLE ON WHAT THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DO AND NOT DO.
AS, AS MY EMPLOYEE, IT'S MY RESPONSIBILITY TO THEN REPRIMAND YOU.
AT SOME POINT THEY HAVE TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE, BUT THEY HAVE MADE IT VERY CLEAR THEY DON'T CARE.
WELL, THEY, THEY, THEY SAY
IN GENERAL, THESE THINGS ARE DONE THROUGH, IT'S NOT BY AN EMPLOYEE OF SAVE.COM MM-HMM
THEY'RE INDEPENDENT CONTRACTORS AND THERE'S ONLY A LIMITED AMOUNT OF CONTROL THAT THEY REALLY CAN EXERT OVER THEM.
HOWEVER THEY CAN, AS IT IS PART OF THEIR AGREEMENT, SAY YOU'RE GONNA FOLLOW THE RULES OF THE, OF THE CITY THAT YOU'RE IN.
UM, BUT THAT IT'S USUALLY AN INDEPENDENT CONTRACTOR.
THERE'S NOT THERE, THEY'RE NOT PEOPLE GETTING CHECKS FOR AS AN EMPLOYEE.
AND SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT DYNAMIC THERE, BUT IT'S STILL THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO A CERTAIN EXTENT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY KNOW THEY FOLLOW THE RULES.
THEY CAN CERTAINLY BE A, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THEY, I KNOW IF I'M CONTRACTING WITH SOMEBODY, I'M CONTRACTING WITH THEM TO DO SOMETHING TO MY HOUSE, I'M GONNA, PART OF THAT DEAL IS YOU'RE GONNA COMPLY WITH ALL LOCAL REGULATIONS AND BUILDING CODES.
AND IT, IT'D BE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT BECAUSE IT, YOU'RE STILL THE FACE OF THAT COMPANY AND SO YOU ARE OUT IN THE FIELD REPRESENTING ME AS THE COMPANY.
JEFF, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? YEAH.
UM, SO WITH COMPANY, LIKE SAVE.COM IS THE EXAMPLE, CAN WE
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REQUIRE THEM TO PROVIDE US A LIST OF THEIR CONTRACT LABOR AND PROOF THAT THEY HAVE? I I, I MEAN I, I WOULD THINK YES, BUT I CAN'T, I CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT, UH, THAT FOR INSTANCE, WHETHER IT BE A LIST.UH, BUT WITH THE REGISTRATIONS REQUIREMENT, IT WOULD BE A MATTER OF MATCHING UP OUR LIST WITH, OKAY, THIS PERSON HAS A PERMIT AND YOU SAY IT'S A, BUT I, I WOULD THINK WE CAN, UH, AND IF NOTHING ELSE, SO WE CAN OKAY.
YOU'VE CONTRACTED WITH WHO AND THEN WE CAN CHECK OUR PAPERWORK TO MAKE SURE THESE PEOPLE ARE ARE, BUT I CAN'T SAY THAT FOR SURE.
I DON'T THINK IT'S IN THE CURRENT ORDINANCE THOUGH, THAT, THAT IT'S IN THERE.
I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S IN THERE.
THE CURRENT ORDINANCE? NO, IT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE MORE A, WE'RE NOT LEGALLY PROHIBITED FROM IT, I DON'T THINK.
AND I, AND ALSO IT WOULD SEEM LIKE SOMETHING THEY WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO GIVE US, BUT IT, MIKE POINTS OUT, IT'S NOT IN ORDINANCE, SO IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO FORCE THEM TO, UH, BUT SO WE COULD ASK NICELY, BUT THEY COULD, WE COULD ASK NICELY AND THEY COULD SAY NO, BUT, AND IF PUSH CAME TO SHOVE, WE COULD UPDATE OUR ORDINANCE TO GIVE US, GIVE THEM TO TRY TO PUT SOME TEETH INTO THAT.
UH, AGAIN, THEY, THEY ALWAYS SAY THE RIGHT THINGS, BUT THEIR FOLLOW THROUGH IS A LITTLE IFFY.
WELL, AND I DO KNOW THIS 'CAUSE I WORKED FOR DALLAS MORNING NEWS, DALLAS SMART NEWS WOULD HIRE A SUBCONTRACTOR AND THEN THAT SUBCONTRACTOR WOULD GET THEIR NEPHEW OR THEIR BROTHER OR THEIR UNCLE OR WHOEVER TO GO RUN THAT ROUTE FOR THEM SO THAT, THAT THE SUBCONTRACTOR IS RESPONSIBLE AND THEY'RE GETTING THE PAYCHECK AND THEY KNOW WHERE EVERYTHING'S SUPPOSED TO GO.
BUT, OH, WELL I WAS ON VACATION THAT WEEK, OR I WAS SICK THAT WEEK, SO I HAD SO AND SO THEY SUBCONTRACT THE SUBCONTRACT AND WELL, WHICH IS THE TRUE NATURE OF THE INDEPENDENT CONTRACTOR RELATIONSHIP.
I'M CONTRACTING WITH YOU TO GET THE JOB DONE, NOT WITH YOU TO PROVIDE YOUR PERSONAL SERVICES.
THAT'S MORE OF A, NOW YOU CAN'T HAVE THAT IN GENERAL, AN INDEPENDENT CONTRACTOR WHO DOES THE JOB.
IS IT REALLY, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING AS LONG AS THE JOB GETS DONE.
AND IT DOES SEEM TO BE WHETHER IT'S TRUE OR NOT, THE FIRST LINE OF DEFENSE IS, IS, OH, WELL OUR REGULAR GUY WASN'T DELIVERING THAT WEEK.
THAT'S, THAT SEEMS TO BE THE FIRST HOLE.
OH, THAT WAS, AND THEY DON'T KNOW
THAT'S JUST THEIR FIRST ANSWER.
SO WHEN WE ARE ISSUING THESE SOLICITATION PERMITS OR REGISTRATION, DO WE REQUIRE, UM, THEM TO LET US KNOW WHAT COMPANY THEY'RE REPRESENTING? 'CAUSE I FEEL LIKE THAT WOULD, THAT COULD ALLEVIATE US, REQUIRING THE COMPANY TO GIVE US A LIST OF THEIR PEOPLE.
I DON'T THINK THAT WE, WE NECESSARILY DO THAT.
BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, A LOT OF THESE ARE INDEPENDENT CONTRACTORS.
AND THEY WORK FOR MULTIPLE COMPANIES.
AND THAT'S, AND WE'RE NOT REQUIRING 'EM TO GET FOR EVERY DELIVERY.
THEY'RE REGISTERED AS, AS SOMEBODY WHO CAN DO THIS.
AND SO, UH, YOU KNOW, AND HOW LONG IS THAT GOOD FOR? I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE.
SO I COULD, I COULD FOR ALL I INTENTS AND PURPOSES, GO AND GET A PERMIT TO LITTER THE TOWN.
UM, AND I COULD JUST DO THAT FOR WHOEVER I WANTED TO.
AND I'M COVERED AS, YEAH, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO, LET'S SAY YOU WORKED FOR SAVE.COM AND PIZZA HUT WANTED TO DELIVER FLYERS.
YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO GET A NEW REGISTRATION TO DELIVER PIZZA FLYERS.
YOU WOULD GO AND YOU WOULD DELIVER, YOU, YOU, YOU WOULD DELIVER UNDER YOUR REGISTRATION BECAUSE THE, THE CONCEPT OF THE REGISTRATION WAS TO GET INFORMATION FROM THE PERSON ACTUALLY DELIVERING IT, WHICH FLIES AGAINST THE, OH, MY COUSIN COVERED FOR ME.
'CAUSE THE COUSIN HAVE A, HAVE A, BUT, UH, YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT BECAUSE YOU WOULD BE AS THE, THE DELIVERY PERSON, THE REGISTERED INDIVIDUAL.
SO WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO TIGHTEN IT UP ON THAT END INSTEAD OF JUST A BLANKET? YOU'RE COVERED BY YOUR REGISTRATION.
YOU NEED TO BE PERMITTED FOR EACH.
BUT HOLD ON, LET ME, LET ME PUMP THE BRAKES.
SO YOU HAVE TO BE REGISTERED AS A, UM, CERTIFIED LITTER.
AND THEN WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE BEING REGISTERED IN A PERMIT PERMIT? IS IT ONE AND THE SAME OR, YEAH, I THINK I, WE USED THE TERM PERMIT, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU GET, YOU'RE, YOU'RE PERMITTED.
BUT THE REGISTRATION, IT'S ALL, IT'S ALL ONE.
SO COULD WE HAVE WHERE YOU'RE REGISTERED, BUT THEN YOU NEED A PERMIT PER, UH, LITTER DISTRIBUTION THAT
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YOU'RE DOING.SO TO GET THEIR PERMIT, THEY HAVE TO HAVE A DESCRIPTION OF THE GOODS AND SERVICES TO BE SOLD OR OFFERED FOR SALE.
AND WHAT THEY SAY IS, OR DOOR ADVERTISEMENTS.
SO THAT'S WHAT THE, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE DISTRIBUTING.
AND UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE COULD, UH, TIGHTEN THAT UP, BUT YOU COULD LOOK AT THAT.
I, I MEAN, YOU COULD, BUT THE BURDEN THAT YOU'RE PUTTING ON, I MEAN, BECAUSE WHOEVER THE, FOR, FOR APPLICATIONS, UH, PART OF THE PROCESS IS THEY GO THROUGH A BACKGROUND CHECK OF SORT, WITH, WITH THE PD, IT'S NOT LIKE A, THE TYPE YOU MIGHT GO THROUGH TO BECOME A TEACHER, BUT IT'S STILL, IT'S A BURDEN ON THE, UH, ON THE, ON THE PD.
AND I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF, UH, EFFECT THAT WOULD HAVE ON THEM TO 'CAUSE, BECAUSE QUITE HONESTLY, I DON'T KNOW IF IF THERE'S MULTIPLE PEOPLE DOING THIS FOR MULTIPLE COMPANIES OR IF THAT WOULD BE AN UNUSUAL CIRCUMSTANCE, OR IF THEY'RE JUST ALL DOING IT FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
IT'D BE HARD TO TELL WHAT THE BURDEN WOULD BE TO REQUIRE, LIKE, EVERY TIME I DO IT FOR A DIFFERENT COMPANY, I'VE GOTTA SEND THAT, YOU KNOW, REAPPLY.
'CAUSE I, I DON'T CARE IF IT'S A BURDEN ON THE PERSON THROWING IT.
UM, BUT IF YOU WERE, IF YOU WERE A REGISTERED DISTRIBUTOR AND THEN YOU NEEDED TO GET PERMITTED PER OCCASION THAT YOU'RE DISTRIBUTING, UM, THEN THAT WAY WE, WE WOULD HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF WHO'S DISTRIBUTING WHEN.
AND I MIGHT BE OVERTHINKING THIS, BUT WHEN I TELL YOU THE SAVE AVON HAS JUST REALLY RATTLED ME AS SOMEONE WHO LIVES IN AN OLDER NEIGHBORHOOD WITH ORIGINAL HOMEOWNERS, AND WE HAVE 80, 90-YEAR-OLD PEOPLE IN THE, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND YOU'VE GOT SOMEONE THAT WITHIN A 10 HOUSE SPAN HAS DROPPED OFF 30 FLYERS THAT WEIGH LITERALLY NOTHING.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALREADY IN THE ROAD.
SO WE'LL GET THAT THEY'RE ALREADY IN THE ROAD, NOW THEY'RE FLYING ALL OVER HILLS, HALF ACRE, THEY'RE GOING INTO THE DRAINAGE DITCH, WHICH IS THEN GOING INTO OUR STORM WATER SYSTEM, WHICH THEN CAUSES ITS OWN ISSUES.
SO IT, IT'S MORE THAN JUST LIKE, OH, IT'S NOT KILT.
IT'S, I MEAN IT'S, I I THINK I, I THINK THE, THE PROBLEM THAT WE WERE RUN INTO ULTIMATELY NOW, WHETHER WE COULD DO IT IN THE SHORT TERM, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF WE, EVEN IF WE HAVE THE CAPACITY AND WE COULD DO IT AND IT'S EASY AND HEY, WHY NOT? UM, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, WHEN LOOKING AT THIS AGAINST THE CONSTITUTIONAL BACKGROUND, UH, OUR REGISTRATION IS ONE OF THE AREAS THAT WE'RE, THAT THEY'VE KIND OF ADVANCED THE LAW A LITTLE BIT IN THAT AND MADE, UH, AND SHOT DOWN SOME RESTRICTIONS ON REGISTRATION.
SO I THINK GETTING TOUGHER ON REGISTRATION, UH, IS, IS PROBABLY GETTING US CLOSER TO THE, OH, THEY, THIS MAY NOT MAKE IT.
UM, AND, AND THE MAIN REASON IS, IS THE JUSTIFICATIONS ARE, WELL, THAT WAY WE CAN TRACK DOWN THIS AGAIN, THEY'RE, I THINK IN THAT CIRCUMSTANCE WE WOULD SAY, LOOK, OUR INTEREST IS, MAY STILL BE LITTERING, BUT IT'S, THIS IS NOT A COMPLETE BAN.
WE JUST WANNA KNOW WHO TO HOLD RESPONSIBLE.
AND SO I, I, I THINK WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO, TO, TO USE THAT AS A JUSTIFICATION IN THAT TYPE OF AREA THAT WOULD SATISFY CONSTITUTIONALITY.
BUT WE'RE GETTING, THE MORE REQUIREMENTS WE PUT ON THE REGISTRATION, THE CLOSER WE GET TO THAT LINE OF, OF, OKAY, HAVE HAS THIS, WHAT IS THIS? WHAT PUSHES US OVER THE LINE AND, AND PUTTING THE BURDEN, NO, YOU DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT.
UH, THE COURTS DON'T TEND TO LIKE THE, THE OVERREGULATION OF A BUSINESS OF THE, TO THE EXTENT WHERE WE'RE, WE'RE JUST MAKING IT TOO HARD FOR ANYBODY TO WANT TO DO IT.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT WE, WE WOULD BE DOING HERE.
I THINK WE WOULD HAVE A, THE JUST OUR JUSTIFICATIONS ARE SOLID.
IT WOULD BE PAINTED AS A, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO, TO PAPERWORK THESE PEOPLE OUT OF BUSINESS AND MIGHT BE A PROBLEM.
BUT I, I THINK THERE, THERE ARE PROBABLY AREAS THAT, THAT WE CAN AT LEAST LOOK INTO AND SEE IF WE CAN INFORMATIONALLY.
IT MAY NOT BE A RE-REGISTRATION, IT MAY BE A, UH, SOME SORT OF JUST NOTIFICATION, HEY, YOU KNOW, THAT WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S IT, WHAT KIND OF BURDEN IS IT TO LET THE, WHOEVER IS DOING THE REGISTRATION OVER AT THE PD, HEY, THIS IS, HERE'S WHO I'M THROWING FOR.
I THREW AT THIS TIME PERIOD I THREW FOR THESE COMPANIES.
MAYBE SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLE.
UH, BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S A RECORD KEEPING THING.
DO WE KNOW, DO YOU KNOW IF WE CHARGE FOR THE
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REGISTRATION FOR LEGAL LITTERS? YEAH.I I I YOU NEED TO CHANGE LITERARY.
WELL, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S THE SAME PERMIT THAT'S REQUIRED FOR ALL HOME SOLICITATION.
SO
THAT WAY YOU'RE NOT COMPLETELY GOING AGAINST LEGAL ADVICE.
I MEAN, AND I'M NOT, I'M NOT PRO BANNING, YOU KNOW, SOLICITATIONS ALTOGETHER BECAUSE I DO UNDERSTAND LIKE, FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND I WOULD NOT WANNA DO ANYTHING THAT WOULD PROHIBIT, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE MOM AND POPS AND YOU KNOW, THE LANDSCAPERS THAT COME AND PUT THEIR STUFF ON YOUR DOOR, WHATEVER.
SO I, I DON'T WANT TO OVER RESTRICT IT IN THAT MANNER, BUT I DO THINK THAT THERE'S SOME WAY THAT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT GONNA COME THROUGH OUR CITY AND JUST DO WHATEVER YOU WANT.
JUST LIKE IF, IF I WENT IN TOILET PAPER TO SOMEONE'S HOUSE RIGHT.
I WOULD HAVE REPERCUSSIONS FOR THAT.
SO WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS NO BETTER THAN IT'S ACTUALLY WORSE.
'CAUSE IT ENDS UP IN OUR DRAINAGE.
WELL, I WAS GONNA SAY, IF THEY WOULD DO IT CLOSE ENOUGH TO THE HOUSE WHERE IT'S NOT A PROBLEM, THAT WOULD BE BETTER
LIKE IF THERE'S TOILET PAPER IN OUR STREETS.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH.
IT'S, I, I DON'T WANT TO JUST OVER-REGULATE IT.
WE'RE, WE'RE BANNING EVERYONE ALL TOGETHER.
UM, BUT HOW THERE HAS TO BE SOME WAY THAT WE CAN GET THIS REIGNED IN BECAUSE HOW DO WE ENFORCE THE FIVE FOOT RULE? THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S THE BIG QUESTION.
BECAUSE IF, IF IT'S THROWN WITH, I HAD ONE THROWN, OKAY.
YESTERDAY I HAD ONE ON MY SIDEWALK, MY FRONT SIDEWALK THAT IS DEFINITELY NOT FIVE FEET FROM MY FRONT DOOR.
IT'S BEEN THERE FOR THE LAST THREE WEEKS.
THEY HAVE MADE IT TO THE SIDEWALK, NOT IN THE STREET.
WHY HAVE YOU NOT PICKED IT UP? I HAVE PICKED IT UP.
DON'T LET IT SIT THERE FOR THREE WEEKS.
UM, BUT WE DO HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS ALL SOLICITATIONS MUST BE DELIVERED WITHIN FIVE FEET OF THE FRONT DOOR.
WELL, YOU KNOW, OKAY, JEFF'S FRONT YARD, FIVE FEET FROM THE FRONT DOOR, SHE'S GONNA ROLL DOWN THE HILL AND BE BACK IN THE STREET,
UM, BUT MY FRONT YARD'S PRETTY FLAT, SO FIVE FEET, I CAN SIT, SIT IN THE STREET, I TRIED IT, I CAN SIT IN THE STREET AND THROW THAT FLYER AND GET IT WITHIN FIVE FEET OF MY FRONT DOOR IF I THROW IT.
ENFORCEMENT IS, IS THE BIGGEST ISSUE BECAUSE, AND AGAIN, IT COMES DOWN TO WHETHER WE MAYBE CAN THEM TO PROVIDE US WITH WHO THEIR CONTRACTORS ARE.
AND, AND I THINK CODE HAS, HAS A, THEIR RELATIONSHIP THAT THEY'VE DEVELOPED IS WITH THE LATTER TERM AREA MANAGER, IT'S NOT AN EFFECTIVE RELATIONSHIP.
WELL, BUT HE, HE CAN, HE CAN GET A GUY ON THE PHONE AND WE CAN FIND OUT IF WE CAN GET NAMES, BUT IT HASN'T BEEN WORKING.
LISTEN, I'VE CALLED AND THREATENED THEM MYSELF.
NOT VERY YOU GOT THE GUY'S NUMBER TOO.
AND LET THEM KNOW HOW MUCH IN VIOLATION THEY WERE.
THEY QUITE LITERALLY DON'T CARE.
MY FAVORITE WORDS RIGHT NOW, THEY OFFER AN OPT OUT AGAIN BECAUSE WE DIDN'T SIGN UP FOR THIS.
AND YOU KNOW, WHAT, DO YOU THINK THAT THOSE CONTRACTORS ARE GIVEN A LIST OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE OPTED OUT? NO.
EVEN, EVEN IF YOU HAVE A CONTRACTORS WHO'VE BEEN AROUND LONG ENOUGH TO LEARN WHERE NOT TO THROW, ALL THEY TELL IS OKAY.
I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE A LONG HISTORY.
UH, BUT YEAH, I'VE HEARD, WE'VE HEARD DIFFICULTIES WITH THE OPTOUT BEING BROUGHT UP.
AGAIN, JUST, JUST BY WAY OF CONTEXT, THIS FIVE FOOT RULE ACTUALLY CAME IN PLACE AS A RESULT OF THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS WHEN THEY THREW THEIR FREE THREE DAY A WEEK ADVERTISING SECTIONS OUT.
AND EVENTUALLY THEY DETERMINED THAT IT WAS ALMOST NOT ECONOMICALLY VIABLE FOR THEM TO GO DOOR TO DOOR AND GET OUTTA THE CARS 'CAUSE THEY COULDN'T DELIVER 'EM THE WAY THEY WANTED TO.
AND BY AND LARGE CEASED THEIR OPERATIONS HERE AS A RESULT OF THAT.
BUT THAT WAS, THAT WAS TARGETED DALLAS MORNING NEWS.
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BASICALLY CAME BACK AND SAID, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO COMPLY WITH THIS ORDINANCE.WHETHER YOU CAN GET AVON TO DO THAT, UH, FOR NOT COMPLYING WITH OUR ORDINANCES, IT'S GONNA PROBABLY TAKE SOME ENFORCEMENT EFFORT WHERE YOU FIND WHERE THEY'RE DELIVERING THEM, GET THE POLICE OUT THERE AND THEN START WRITING SOME TICKETS.
AND THEN THE CONTRACTORS SAY, OKAY, I'M NOT DOING THIS.
LIKE I SAID, I, I, WE FIRST DISCUSSED THIS AND THAT FIVE FOOT RULE BECAME, I BECAME AWARE OF THAT.
I WENT AND PICKED UP MY LITTLE FLYER THAT'S IN MY FRONT YARD AND I WENT AND STOOD IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET AS IF I WERE IN A CAR AND I THREW IT.
I'M OLD WEAK AND I HAVE NO AIM.
AND I COULD GET THAT THING PRETTY CLOSE TO MY FRONT PORCH.
AND I JUST, I MEAN, I HAVE A STANDARD YARD NOW.
AND EVEN JEFF'S HOUSE IS WAY UP HERE AND THE STREET'S WAY DOWN HERE OFF ON THE HILL.
SO FIVE FEET'S GONNA PUT IN THE MIDDLE OF HIS DRIVEWAY AND IT'S JUST GONNA ROLL RIGHT BACK DOWN.
BUT IF I CAN SIT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET AND THROW IT AND GET IT REASONABLY CLOSE, THEN THE PEOPLE THAT I SEE THAT ARE DRIVING, BUT THEY CAN'T DO IT FROM THE DRIVER'S SEAT AND THROW IT OUT THE PASSENGER, THROW IT OUT THE PASSENGER WINDOW, HAVE A GOOD SHOT.
AND, AND I THINK I, I THINK THE FIVE FEET, I, I DON'T KNOW IF WE WOULD EVER BE OUT THERE IN AN ENFORCEMENT ACTION SAYING, OH, THIS WAS ONLY THIS, YOU ONLY GOT SIX FEET AWAY.
I MEAN, QUITE HONESTLY, AND I THINK IT WOULD PROBABLY MAKE, WOULDN'T NECESSARILY MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY.
IT MIGHT MAKE PEOPLE NOT AS ANGRY IF THERE WAS AN EFFORT SHOWN.
IT'S THE COMPLETE LACK OF EFFORT THAT I THINK IS, IS IF IT LANDED IN THE DRIVEWAY OR LANDED ON THE SIDEWALK EVERY SINGLE TIME AND NOT IN THE STREET.
WHEN, WHEN I TELL YOU I HAVE A VIDEO ON MY PHONE WHERE I FOLLOWED ONE OF THEM THROUGH MY ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD AND RECORDED THE GUY JUST DROPPING THEM OUT THE WINDOW.
LIKE, AND THAT'S A, THAT'S A, A REGULAR OCCURRENCE.
LIKE, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE NPOS POSTS UP IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
LIKE, 'CAUSE I CAN TELL YOU THEY COME ON THURSDAYS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
I MEAN, LISTEN, I CAN TELL YOU WHAT NEIGHBORHOODS IN MY DISTRICT THEY HIT ON WHAT DAYS, BECAUSE I GET THE PHONE CALLS, I GET THE EMAILS.
I'M JUST NO, I WAS JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE.
BUT I MEAN, LET ME BORROW AN MPO CARD AND I'LL GO HANDLE IT.
SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY ACTION ON THIS.
DO WE WANT WANT TO PAUSE IT FOR READDRESS IT IN A MONTH OR TWO? SEE WHAT WE CAN BRAINSTORM? YEAH.
IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO COATE THOUGH.
LET ME SEND OUT SOME GLITTER BOMBS TO THE CORPORATE OFFICE AND THEN WE WILL SEE HOW THAT WORKS AND WE'LL COME BACK.
WELL, I, LIKE I SAID, I FIRST TIME, OR WHEN THIS CAME UP THE LAST TIME, I HAVE SPOKEN WITH A WOMAN WHO REPORTED TO BE LEGAL ENFORCEMENT DIVISION, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WITH SAVE.COM.
AND SHE SAID ALL THE RIGHT WORDS.
UH, AND I DID NOT HANG UP THE PHONE FEELING LIKE THERE WAS GONNA BE A LOT OF PHONE.
THIS IS, THIS IS THEIR VERSION OF THE, THIS IS CUSTOMER COMPLAINT DEPARTMENT.
THE PERSON WHO'S REALLY GOOD AT SAYING THE THINGS TO CALM THE PEOPLE DOWN, THAT'S PROBABLY WHO THEY GOT CALLING ME.
I MEAN, WE CAN KIND OF JUST SET ON IT FOR A LITTLE BIT, BUT I, I'LL CHECK WITH KURT A LITTLE BIT MORE, SEE WHAT WE CAN COME UP WITH MAYBE NEXT TIME I ASK SOMEBODY FROM CODE COMPLIANCE TO COME.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE MENTIONED, UH, NPOS, SO MAYBE WE CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, ABOUT HOW WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO INVOLVE SOME OF THEM, UH, TO JUST CAMP OUT IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN WE KNOW THEY'RE COMING MM-HMM
AND IF THEY SEE 'EM LITTERING AND THROWING STUFF OUT THE WINDOW.
I MEAN, POP, EMS, NAIL STRIPS.
I MEAN, WHATEVER WE NEED TO, THERE'S NOT A GOOD SOLUTION.
INDEPENDENT CONTRACTORS, YOU'RE PAYING $14 AN HOUR AND THEY CHANGE EVERY WEEK.
SO THE PROBLEM, THE PROBLEM OF COURSE WITH THE NPOS IS THE OTHER CRIMES THAT THEY DEAL WITH ON A REGULAR BASIS.
IT'S POSSIBLE, ALTHOUGH I'M GONNA GET YELLED AT BY THE MARSHALS FOR THIS, IT'S POSSIBLE IF WE KNOW WHERE THEY ARE, WE CAN SEND A MARSHAL CAR OUT THERE.
MARSHALS CAN, THEY'RE PEACE OFFICERS.
THEY CAN STOP 'EM, WRITE 'EM A TICKET, DO ALL THAT STUFF.
IT'S NON-TRADITIONAL LAW ENFORCEMENT, OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DOESN'T DO IT TRADITIONALLY.
AND SO THE MARSHALS ARE LIMITED TO NON-TRADITIONAL LAW ENFORCEMENT.
UH, AND SO IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN, I'LL VISIT ON WITH THEM AND SAY, HEY, IF YOU KNOW WHERE THE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE AND WHEN THEY'RE DOING IT, DO YOUR PARKING ENFORCEMENT IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WEEK.
WHEN YOU SEE 'EM, JUST THROW 'EM OUT THE WINDOW.
STOP 'EM, WRITE 'EM A TICKET STONE.
SO WE COULD BE BOTH GET PROACTIVE
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PARKING ENFORCEMENT IN THE AREA AT THE SAME TIME AS THEY DO THIS.AND AGAIN, EVERY TIME I VOLUNTEER THE MARSHALS FOR EVERY TIME I VOLUNTEER THE MARSHALS FOR MORE WORK, THEY GET MAD AT ME.
BUT, UH, GIVEN THAT THEY REPORT TO ME NOW, I'LL JUST TELL 'EM, THIS IS WHAT I, YOU NEED TO BE DOING.
AND THEN, AND WE CAN TIE WITH PARK.
I MEAN, IF THEY'RE ALREADY GONNA BE IN THAT, WE'RE DIRECTED, JUST SCHEDULE THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS YES, MA'AM.
TO DO PARKING ENFORCEMENT AND YES, MA'AM.
AND WE DON'T, MA'AM, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE TO SCHEDULE ANYTHING.
WE JUST NEED TO NOTIFY THE MARSHALS ON WHAT DAYS WE ARE GETTING THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IS GETTING LITTER IN GENERAL TIME.
AND THEN THEY'LL GO OUT THERE AND THEY, YOU DON'T JUST SIT THERE.
'CAUSE OF COURSE, I, I HATE IDLE PEOPLE.
SO THEY CAN DO PARKING ENFORCEMENT IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THEN WHEN THEY SEE THE CARS THROWING THE THINGS OUT, THEY CAN STOP AND SAY, OKAY, HERE'S YOUR TICKET FOR LITTERING.
AND WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU COME BACK NEXT TIME, YOU'VE GOTTA COMPLY WITH OUR ORDINANCE.
I'LL VISIT WITH THE MARSHALS ABOUT THIS AND SEE IF PERFECT.
SO CAN WE ACTUALLY, KEVIN, CAN WE DO NOT A FINAL COUNCIL UPDATE, BUT KIND OF A, THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT WITH IT.
UM, THE SECOND WHEN WE'RE DOING THE OTHER ONES.
WE'LL PUT IT AS A, A PENDING ITEM THAT WE WANTED TO SHARE INFORMATION WITH.
AND JUST KIND OF HAVE AS A INFORMATION SHARING THING, LET 'EM KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT, BUT IT JUST LIKE THAT IT'S, IT'S STILL PENDING.
UM, 'CAUSE I KNOW MARGARET, UM, HAS SOME CONSTITUENTS THAT HAVE THIS, HAVE THE SAME COMPLAINT.
UM, BUT JUST SO THAT WAY COUNSEL IS UP TO DATE.
UM, BY THAT POINT, UM, MR. BUTTS WILL HAVE ALREADY BEEN ABLE TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT THAT WITH MARSHALLS AND SEE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
AND THAT WAS OUR LAST, UM, OUR LAST AGENDA ITEM.
SO AT 12:14 PM WE ARE ADJOURNED.