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          ALRIGHT, THANKS. 
          EVERYBODY READY? YES, SIR. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          WELCOME EVERYONE. 
          WELCOME TO WEEK SEVEN OF THE FIRE AND EMS STAKEHOLDER COMMITTEE. 
          UH, WE HAVE A, UH, WE JUST WANNA RESTATE WHY THIS EXISTS. 
          OUR CHARGE IS SIMPLE BUT NOT EASY. 
          WE'RE HERE TO FIND A WAY TO SUSTAIN ESSENTIAL FIRE EMS SERVICES FOR GARLAND CITIZENS TO IMPROVE THE LIVES AND WELLBEING OF OUR FIRST RESPONDERS AND ACHIEVE BOTH IN A WAY THAT IS FINANCIALLY RESPONSIBLE AND SUSTAINABLE. 
          UH, GARLAND IS THE CITY OF NEARLY A QUARTER MILLION RESIDENTS. 
          PUBLIC SAFETY IS NOT OPTIONAL, UH, BUT NEITHER IS SUSTAINABILITY. 
          SO OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. 
          WE HAVE MINUTES. 
          DELIVER TO US. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION. 
          MOTION TO APPROVE. 
          THE MINUTES IS SECOND. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          MOTION BY COUNCIL ELECT, AND SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          ALRIGHT, OUR NEXT, UH, ORDER OF BUSINESS IS, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS. 
          WE'RE GONNA OPEN UP THE FLOOR FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT. 
          SO YOU DO HAVE ONE SPEAKER, MR. NOLAN, ONE C ONE NOLAN BLUNT, 1 2 1 4 9, TEXAS 7 5 0 4 2 DASH 0 2 9. 
          I'M CONCERNED. 
          UM, I AM EMPLOY FIREFIGHTER GETTING EVERYTHING THEY NEED. 
          UM, CONCERNED THAT I HAVE IS HOW ARE WE GOING TO DO IT? HOW ARE WE NOT? WOULD IT BE, I WOULD RECOMMEND PUTTING IT OUT TO THE BOAT VOTERS IF POSSIBLE. 
          UM, BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FIREFIGHTERS DO GET EVERYTHING THEY NEED. 
          THEY DO STUFF THAT WOULD TURN OUR STOMACHS AND I'M FOR ALL FOR THESE GUYS, BUT WITH THE MONEY SO TIGHT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIND OUT OF SOME ACCOUNT, SOME BUDGET. 
          BUT THERE PROBABLY ARE SOME AVENUES THAT WE COULD TAKE. 
          BUT I, AGAIN, ONE SAY FOR THE RECORD, I AM FOR THEM IN OTHER HELP AND, UH, SAFETY AND MENTAL AND PHYSICAL HEALTH. 
          BUT, UH, THIS IS JOHN. 
          THIS IS, THIS IS FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE. 
          SO, AND I WANT GARLAND TO BE THE BEST THAT THEY CAN BE. 
          SO I ASK THAT WE CONTINUE TO DO THE RESEARCH AND TO CONTINUE TO FIND THE BEST OPTIONS AVAILABLE. 
          BUT DON'T, WE DON'T WANT TO SHORTCHANGE THE PUBLIC'S HEALTH AT THE SAME TIME. 
          WE DON'T WANT TO SHORTCHANGE THIRD EITHER. 
          SO WE DO NEED TO FIND A WAY TO MAKE IT ALL WORK. 
          I LIVED IN THIS CITY. 
          I WORK FOR THE CITY I WAS IN LOVE WITH IN THE CITY FOR NOW 51 YEARS ALL MY LIFE. 
          AND SO MY PARENTS, MY PARENTS WANT GROW THEM. 
          SO I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE AND EVERY OF ME, WHICH MAKES IT HARDER. 
          BUT AGAIN, I'M ALL FOR THE CITY. 
          I'M ALSO FOR OUR FIRST RESPONDERS AS WELL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU MR. BLUNT. 
          UH, DO WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE THAT CARES TO SPEAK THIS EVENING? ALRIGHT, MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM, WHICH IS THE STAFF FOLLOW UP WITH SOME OUTSTANDING QUESTIONS. 
          SO FOR TRANSPARENCY OF TWO THAT WE'RE OUTSTANDING THAT WE STILL ARE ATTENDING ANSWERS ON ARE HOW MANY FIREFIGHTERS HAVE A SECOND POSITION? UH, THE COMMITTEE BROUGHT UP TO THE LAST TIME THEY WANTED TO UNDERSTAND THE POLICY? SO WHAT'S ON THE SLIDE HAS TO DO WITH THE POLICY OF REPORTING, UM, A SECOND OR A SECONDARY, UH, POSITION, UM, OUTSIDE OF THE CITY EMPLOYMENT. 
          AND THEN CHIEF LEE IS WORKING ON, UM, HIS OWN SURVEY, HIS OWN WORK, UH, WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT TO IDENTIFY THAT AND THEN COME BACK, UH, AT THE MARCH 11TH MEETING. 
          SO THAT IS WHEN WE SHOULD HAVE THE RESULTS OF THAT STILL ON THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          IF I, IF I MAY, UH, THE POLICY 
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WAS AT ONE POINT IN TIME IN HR EIGHT, I THOUGHT HR EIGHT WENT AWAY FROM THE POLICY WITH IT WE FOUND IN HR 11TH OR 1717 NOW. 
          UH, SO WE HAVE PUT THAT OUT TO ALL OF OUR MEMBERS AND THEY'RE TRICKLING UNDER THEIR FORMS AS WE SPEAK. 
          SO I WAS SIGNING A BUNCH OF THOSE OUT THE TRUCK WAITING TO SEE. 
          SO THEY'RE ANSWERING HOW MANY OF 'EM HAVE A COURT? YES, WE WERE FOLLOWING THE POLICY. 
          WE WERE ASKING THEM, DO YOU HAVE SECONDARY EMPLOYMENT? IS IT WITH HOW MANY HOURS A WEEK DO YOU NORMALLY WORK? AND THERE'S NOTHING AGAINST THAT. 
          THEY HAVE THAT PART-TIME IS ONLY IF IT CONFLICTS WITH THEIR PRIMARY EMPLOYMENT. 
          UH, SO IT CAN BE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST OR IT COULD BE THAT THE HOURS, UH, ARE NOT CONCLUSIVE TO GOOD PERFORMANCE AT THEIR MAIN JOB. 
          SO, BECAUSE I REALLY HAVE KIND OF KEPT QUIET DURING THIS, BUT YOU KNOW, THIS QUESTION'S BEEN POSED BEFORE THIS, I DON'T KNOW WHY THIS KIND OF BOTHERS ME BECAUSE I FEEL IF IT'S THEIR DAY OFF, THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. 
          I MEAN, I DON'T FEEL THAT IT'S OUR BUSINESS TO TELL 'EM THEY HAVE SLEEP OR THEY CAN'T GO OUT AND MO YARD OR, YOU KNOW, FIX EVENTS OR WHATEVER. 
          I MEAN, I THINK IF THIS IS HOW THEY CAN DESTRESS AND THEN WE ALSO DON'T KNOW MAYBE WHAT SOME FINANCIAL SITUATIONS ARE. 
          SO I GUESS I'M TRYING TO HONESTLY SAY I DON'T REALLY THINK IT'S OUR BUSINESS. 
          YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS THEY CAN PERFORM AND DO THEIR JOB WHEN THEY COME BACK FROM THEIR TWO DAYS OFF OR WHATEVER. 
          UM, I DON'T FULLY, I DON'T GIVE IT TYPICALLY DO IF THEY DO WORK A PART-TIME. 
          SO THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. 
          UM, AS LONG AS THEY CAN PERFORM WHEN THEY COME BACK, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT. 
          THIS, I BELIEVE THIS IS A CITYWIDE POLICY. 
          IT'S NOT JUST FOR OUR TOTALLY FIRED UPON EVERYONE. 
          IF I, IF I CAN JUST SPEAK TO THE POLICY 'CAUSE THE POLICY'S BEEN PLACED FOR DECADES AND THE PURPOSE OF THE POLICY IS ESPECIALLY, UH, IN PUBLIC SAFETY EMPLOYEES IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE EMPLOYEE DOESN'T HAVE A JOB THAT WOULD PREVENT THEM FROM DOING THEIR JOB. 
          BY THAT WE'VE HAD OVER THE YEARS THAT FROM TIMES WHEN YOU HAVE THE POLICE WHO KEPT THIS, THESE RECORDS, YOU KNOW, A POLICE OFFICER WORKING 60, 70 HOURS A WEEK, ASIDE FROM CONSTRUCTION  40 OR 50 HOURS A WEEK, HE'S DONE OVERTIME. 
          AND, AND WE WORK JOB WHERE IS WORK ALL NIGHT, THE NUMBER BEFORE THEN TO BE INSPECTED TO WORK A 12 HOUR TOUR. 
          RIGHT. 
          UH, AND AND IT'S, IT ALLOWS THE DEPARTMENT HEAD THE PRIMARY POINT OF THIS FORM TO ALLOW THE DEPARTMENT HEAD TO LOOK AT IT. 
          AND IF, IF THE CHIEF HAD SOMEBODY, FOR EXAMPLE, WHO'S GONNA WORK THAT 24 HOUR SHIFT SOMEPLACE ELSE BEFORE THEY COME WORK A 24 HOUR SHIFT HERE, YOU MIGHT LOOK AND SAY, I DON'T REALLY THINK THIS IS APPROPRIATE. 
          YOU DO IT A DIFFERENT DAY OF THE WEEK. 
          YOU DO DIFFERENT HOURS SO THAT YOU HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO BE REST WHEN YOU COME WORK. 
          IT'S NOT, VERY FEW OF THESE ARE DENIED. 
          RIGHT. 
          EVEN IN DEPARTMENTS LIKE IT AND, AND THE STREETS DEPARTMENT, IF SOMEBODY HAS AN OFF DUTY JOB, RIGHT. 
          UM, THE CITY'S UH, UH, GOAL IS THAT THIS WOULD BE THEIR PRIMARY EMPLOYMENT. 
          IT MIGHT HAVE AN OFF DUTY JOB THAT THEY'RE GONNA NOT BE IN A WAY THAT'S INCONSISTENT WITH 'EM ACTUALLY BEING ABLE TO PERFORM THEIR HERE. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT'S NOT TO PUNISH THEM FOR THEY WANT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM. 
          I'M JUST THINKING THAT, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS THEY CAN PERFORM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S STANDARD. 
          I DON'T THINK THERE SHOULD BE A PROBLEM. 
          SO YEAH, THAT'S THE STANDARD THE CHIEF WOULD USE TO EVALUATE THOSE FORMS AND POLICE DEPARTMENT DOES AND ALL THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS DO IS REALLY, SEE, I'VE ONLY SEEN ONE OR TWO EVER DENIED. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND IT'S RIGHT WHERE THE PERSON'S GONNA HAVE TO WORK, YOU KNOW, 12 HOURS BEFORE THEY COME INTO WORK 12 HOURS AND NOT IN A JOB LIKE ON POLICE WHERE THEY HAVE TO BE OUT ON PATROL CAR THE WHOLE 12 HOURS. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND NO, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR CLARIFICATION, BUT I JUST WANT TO KIND OF THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          AND THEN THE SECOND QUESTION WAS THE SUPPORTING METRICS TO INFORM RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          SO THE, THE ACTUAL QUESTION WAS WHAT DATA CAN BE PROVIDED TO QUANTIFIED HEALTH AND SAFETY CONCLUSIONS? AND THIS WAS FROM, UH, SPECIFICALLY FROM THE LAST MEETING. 
          AND, UH, CHIEF LEE IS ALSO WORKING ON THIS DATA AND PLANS TO PRESENT THAT MARCH 11TH AS WELL. 
          PROVIDED THE CITY OF GAINESVILLE, FLORIDA RESPONDS APPROPRIATELY TO THEIR OPEN RECORDS REQUEST. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT'S COME DOWN TO AGAIN. 
          UM, SO I WAS NOTIFIED TODAY THAT THIS WILL PROBABLY REQUIRE SIGNIFICANT RESEARCH WITHOUT LIKE, FOR THEM TO CONTINUE. 
          AND I SAID, I'D LIKE YOU CONTINUE TO GIMME AN ESTIMATE OF WHAT THAT RESEARCH IS GOING TO COST. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE STILL WORKING ON GAINESVILLE. 
          THEY'RE, THEY'RE ONE OF THE FEW AGENCIES THAT RECENTLY ENOUGH BUT FALL ENOUGH BACK THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE THE DATA. 
          SO THEY, THEY CONVERTED OVER 12 MONTHS AGO. 
          SO I'M TRYING TO GET BUDGET DATA PRECONVERSION TO THE NEW SHIFT SCHEDULE AND THE CURRENT SHIFT SCHEDULED STATUS. 
          SO, UH, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT WORKERS' COMP INJURY, SICK LEAVE HOURS AND OVERTIME, SPECIFICALLY WHAT I'M ASKING 
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YOU. 
          WE'LL SEE HOW THEY RESPOND NEXT. 
          I DID ACTUALLY JUST CALL I THAT THEN WE'RE READY FOR YES SIR. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          FIREFIGHTERS, STAFFING MODELS AND OPERATIONAL BENEFITS. 
          IT STILL YOU, BUT YOU, YOU ARE ALSO WELCOME THIS ONE. 
          WELL, AND YOU KNOW, WE STARTED LAST WEEK AND, AND WE BEGAN AND, AND, AND, AND STILL AGAIN, YOU KNOW, TALK ABOUT THE 56 HOUR WORK WEEK AND HOW IT, IT, IT IS NOT SUSTAINABLE, UH, THAT THE WAY THE CAUSE HAVE INCREASED, THE, THE DUTIES HAVE INCREASED. 
          ALL THOSE THINGS HAVE INCREASED THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT A, A CRISIS DOWN ROAD. 
          WE'VE IDENTIFIED THAT. 
          UH, SO WE DID THE PROBLEM NOW, NOW IT'S ABOUT WHEN WE IDENTIFYING A SOLUTION, UH, AND THAT SOLUTION MOST LIKELY BEING, YOU KNOW, A CHANGE IN THE SCHEDULE, UH, TO, TO BUILD IN THAT RECOVERY TIME. 
          SO THINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT, UH, IS, UH, BOTH 12 AND 24 HOUR SHIFTS OR, OR SHIFTS LESS THAN 24 HOURS AND TWO LONGER THAN 24 HOURS. 
          UM, AND, AND, AND WORK TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY ALL BRING, UH, AND, AND, AND THEN EVALUATE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THEY WILL ALLOW FOR THAT RECOVERY TIME THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR FOR OUR FIREFIGHTERS. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND SO ONE, I JUST WANT TO, UH, COUNCIL  1236, UH, WHICH, YOU KNOW, BREAKS DOWN BASICALLY A 24 7, 2 CUT HALF, UH, WORKING 12 HOUR SHIFTS. 
          SO IF WE GO AT THAT, THAT'S WHAT THE SHIFT PATTERN WOULD LOOK LIKE. 
          UM, IT IS A, UH, SHIFT PATTERN THAT WOULD REQUIRE FOUR SHIFTS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THIS IS A RARE, EVEN IF YOU COULD NOT FIND A DEPARTMENT IN THE UNITED STATES THAT WORKS AT 1236, UH, IT'S NOT A PATTERN THAT ANYBODY USES, UH, A FOUR SHIFT PATTERN. 
          UH, AND IT COMES DOWN TO 42 HOURS PER WEEK AND IT WOULD REQUIRE 340 PERSONNEL, UH, WHICH IS AN INCREASE OF 85 OVER WHAT WE HAVE NOW. 
          OKAY? UH, SO EVEN GOING TO 20 TO 1236, WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT THAT. 
          UM, SO WE, WE DO GET, YOU HAVE RECOVERY TIME THERE, UM, OR IF WE GET DOWN TO THAT 42 HOUR WORK WEEK, BUT WITH COMMUTE AND EVERYTHING ELSE THERE, THERE COMES IN A PROBLEM. 
          OKAY? UH, ONE BIG PROBLEM WE COME INTO IS WE TRY TO GO TO A 12 HOUR SCHEDULE. 
          WE'RE LOOKING AT A POTENTIAL LOSS OF A LOT OF OUR CURRENT FIREFIGHTER. 
          UH, LAST MONTH I HAD TO GO TO EVERYBODY THAT WAS HERE UNDER THE AGE OF 35 STAND UP BECAUSE THOSE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE ELIGIBLE TO TEST FOR ANOTHER DEPARTMENT. 
          AND A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THEM SAID THAT IF WE WENT TO A 12 HOUR SCHEDULE, THEY BEGAN TO ACTIVELY LOOKING FOR SOMEPLACE ELSE TO GO. 
          IN TURN, IT WOULD ALSO AFFECT, UH, OUR RECRUITING. 
          UH, THERE WOULD, THERE WOULD BE THOSE THAT WOULD COME TAKE THE TEST BECAUSE THEY FAILED IN OTHER PLACES. 
          AND THE QUALITY OF OUR CANDIDATE, I THINK WOULD VARY DRASTICALLY SUFFERED IN WHAT WE'RE AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THERE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, AND THEN IT WOULD BE CHALLENGES, UH, THAT COMES IN WITH TRAINING AND CE BECAUSE YOU NOTICE, UH, B AND D SHIFTS ARE NIGHT SHIFTS. 
          THEY COME IN AT 7:00 PM AND WORK TILL 7:00 AM SO A COUPLE THINGS WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN THERE. 
          UH, WE WOULD EITHER HAVE TO PUT ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF ON TO COME IN AT NIGHT. 
          UH, DR. 
          TYS WOULD HAVE TO COME IN AT NIGHT TO SIX, THREE HOURS ALREADY SAYING AIN'T HAPPENING. 
          UM, OR WE WOULD HAVE TO REQUIRE FOLKS WHEN THEY GOT DONE WITH THEIR NIGHT SHIFT TO COME IN ON OVERTIME TO RECEIVE THE NECESSARY TRAINING. 
          UH, AND WE HAVE TO HAVE THREE HOURS EVERY MONTH AND CE OR MEDICAL CE AND ON TOP OF THAT WE HAVE FIRE CE AND ALL OF THOSE VARIOUS THINGS. 
          UM, AND I CAN TELL YOU FROM EXPERIENCE, WHEN I WORKED IN A HOSPITAL WORKING THOSE NIGHTS, COMING IN ON, 'CAUSE I DIDN'T DO ANY TRAINING AT NIGHT, YOU HAD TO COME IN. 
          ALRIGHT, ONE MOMENT. 
          SO, UH, SO, SO THERE'S A LOT OF CHALLENGE THAT COME IN GOING TO THE, JUST EVEN A 12 HOUR SHIFT, REGARDLESS IF IT'S WHATEVER THAT PATTERN IS. 
          UH, BUT IN THE, YOU KNOW, IN THE 1236 DOES GET US TO THE 42 HOUR WORK WEEK. 
          UH, BUT, UH, DOES BRING A LOT OF CHALLENGES, UH, 
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ONCE IT SHIFT SCHEDULE THAT IS USED WIDELY, UH, IN THE NORTHEAST IS THE 10 14TH, UM, THIS, UH, NEW YORK PROBABLY THE LARGE DEPARTMENT, AND THEY'RE NOT EVEN ON A PURE 10, 14TH. 
          THERE'S JUST, IT'S THE ONLY PEOPLE I KNOW THAT UNDERSTAND HOW THEIR SCHEDULE WORKS ARE FOLKS THAT WORK SCHEDULED. 
          UM, I'VE HAD SEVERAL OF 'EM TRY TO EXPLAIN IT TO ME. 
          IT'S CONFUSING. 
          UH, BUT IN ITS INSTANCE, YOU, YOU WORK TWO NIGHT SHIFTS, YOU HAVE TWO DAYS OFF AND OR FOUR DAYS OFF AND YOU COME BACK AND IT, OR I'M SORRY, YOU WORK TWO DAY SHIFTS AND COME IN AND WORK TWO NIGHT SHIFTS, AND THEN YOU HAVE, UH, FIVE, FOUR DAYS OFF AND THEN THAT, THAT PATTERN REPEATS AND REPEATS. 
          UM, SO WITH THAT SCHEDULE AGAIN, IT, IT IS, UH, A A 42 HOUR, UH, WORK WEEK. 
          IT IS A SHIFT, A FOUR, A FOUR SHIFT PATTERN. 
          SO AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT HAVING TO HIRE 85 ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL TO PUT THAT SHIFT PATTERN IN PLACE. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, WE GO TO A 12 HOUR SHIFT IF WE RUN A RISK OF, OF LOSING FIREFIGHTERS AFFECTING OR RECRUITING. 
          UM, NOT TO MENTION ALSO THAT THERE'S MORE TO DO, UH, FOR THE FIREFIGHTERS. 
          AND THAT'S A QUESTION A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE. 
          WELL, WHY DO FIREFIGHTERS LIVE WHERE THEY DO AND COME WORK, WHAT HAVE YOU? THAT IS NOT UNCOMMON, REGARDLESS THAT, DO YOU ASK PRETTY MUCH ANY DEPARTMENT IN THE METROPLEX OR ANYWHERE AROUND, WE NEED TO 85% OF THEIR PERSONNEL LIVE OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS OF WHERE THEY WORK. 
          AND IT'S NOT THAT THEY LIVE THERE AND THEN MOVED OUT THAT THEY, THEY CAME IN AND TESTED AND AND, AND CHOOSE TO STAY WHERE THEY ARE, UH, OR WHAT HAVE YOU. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, SO, BUT AGAIN, UH, EVEN LOOKING AT THAT RECRUITING, UH, FOR MYSELF, I RECRUIT, MY, MY COMMUTE IS AN HOUR AND A HALF. 
          UM, IF I'M COMING AT THE RIGHT TIMES, PUT ME ON A DAY SHIFT WHERE I'M COMING IN AT SEVEN, GOING HOME AT SEVEN, THAT COMMUTE'S PROBABLY GONNA GO UP. 
          YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY IF I'M COMING IN ON A NIGHT SHIFT, UH, THAT CAN COMMUTE. 
          I'M GONNA HAVE TO LEAVE MY HOUSE PROBABLY THREE TO THREE TO THREE AND A HALF HOURS BEFORE MY SHIFT STARTS TO MAKE IT ON TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, SO WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDING A LOT OF HOURS THERE AND AFFECTING, UH, SOME OF THAT RECOVERY TIME. 
          UH, AND THEN THERE'S STRAIGHT TWELVES. 
          UM, I DO NOT KNOW IF CHIEF, AND PLEASE, IF YOU KNOW OF ANY DEPARTMENTS THAT WORK, THESE GUYS' CHIME IN. 
          UH, BUT YOU KNOW, THIS IS PRETTY MUCH I THINK WHAT OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT WORKS, UH, OR CLOSE TO, UH, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY WORK. 
          THOSE, THOSE, UH, STRAIGHT 12 SHIFTS, 12 HOUR SHIFTS, UM, AND YOU'RE EITHER ON PURE DAYS OR PURE MINDS, UM, AND YOU, YOU DON'T FLIP FLOP BACK AND FORTH. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO AS WE, AS WE LOOK AT THOSE, THOSE SHIFT PATTERNS, UH, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THOSE 12 HOUR SHIFT PATTERNS ARE FOUR HOUR OR FOUR SHIFTS, UH, REQUIRED. 
          SO THEY WOULD ALL REQUIRE HIRING 85 PEOPLE. 
          UM, BUT, UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT CONDUCIVE TO THE GOOD HEALTH AND RECOVERY, UH, THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, UH, IN A SCHEDULE CHANGE. 
          SO QUESTIONS ON 12 HOUR SHIFTS. 
          YES MA'AM. 
          SO, UH, YOU SAID THAT THE 10 14 IS MOSTLY FOUND IN THE EAST COAST. 
          THEY HAVE, THEY SHOWN THROUGH METRICS THAT IT'S NOT CONDUCIVE TO GET HELP AND ADEQUATE, THEY HAVE BEEN ON THOSE SCHEDULES FOR YEARS. 
          THERE'S NOT ANYBODY GOING TO THOSE SCHEDULES. 
          MANY OF THEM ARE, ARE NOW CHANGING EITHER TO 24 40 EIGHTS OR MOVING STRAIGHT INTO 24 7 TWOS. 
          UM, WE COME DOWN THE MIDATLANTIC COAST, A LOT OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS WERE 10 FOURTEENS AND THEY'RE NOW 24 70 TWOS. 
          SOME OF THESE DEPARTMENTS ARE, THEY GET FROM B, F, D AND Y. 
          THEIR ACTIVITY LEVELS WERE SO HIGH THAT THAT'S, I THINK THE REASON THEY HAD 10 14. 
          'CAUSE THE DAY SHIFT WAS JUST PLUM GET OUT AFTER 10 HOURS AND THE NIGHT SHIFT WAS PLUM GIVE OUT AFTER 14, BUT YOU STILL HAD FIREFIGHTERS MARRY NOT THAT 24,  20 AND THEN THEIR FOUR DAY. 
          SO, UH, AND AS FIRE CHIEF, YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SAY THAT, WELL, WE'RE NOT GONNA ALLOW THAT KIND OF SUB ACTIVITY, BUT THE FEDERAL LAW ALLOWS IT TO POLICY A ALLOW FIREFIGHTER THE SUB AND IT IS A ALLOWABLE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE EMPLOYEE AND THE SUBSTITUTE. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S REALLY DELICATE TOPIC WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT SUBSTITUTIONS. 
          BUT THAT'S WHERE THE 10 14 I THINK KIND OF CAME FROM WAS THE JERSEYS, THE NEW YORK CITY THAT THEY WERE JUST GETTING SLAMMED THAT IT'S NOT PHYSICALLY CAPABLE OF WORKING THAT MANY HOURS. 
          REAR FIRES ARE ON THE THIRD FLOOR, THE FIVE STORY FLAT. 
          AND, AND, AND WHAT MY FRIENDS IN, IN NEW YORK SPANKED ME IS 
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IF YOU GO TO THE ISLAND OF MANHATTAN WHERE AT ANY GIVEN TIME THERE'S ONLY TWO OR THREE FIREFIGHTERS THAT LIVE ON THE ISLAND OF MANHATTAN, MOST OF THEM PARTNER UP AND THEY, THEY WORK 20 FOURS. 
          WHEN YOU GO OUT INTO THE OTHER BOROUGHS, MOST OF THOSE FIREFIGHTERS LIVE WITHIN A FEW BLOCKS OF THE STATION THEY'VE WORKED AT. 
          SO IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT LOOKING AT THESE GIANT COMMUTES WHEN IT, WHEN IT COMES TIME TO GO TO WORK. 
          UM, AND, AND THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. 
          AND WITH NEW YORK, THEY DON'T CHANGE STATIONS. 
          UH, THEY, THEY SPEND A LIFETIME IN ONE FIRE STATION, MOST OF THEM. 
          YEAH, NO PROBLEM. 
          AND, AND WHAT THAT BRINGS US TO DOCUMENT THAT WE PUT TOGETHER FOR YOU THERE, TALKING ABOUT 24 HOUR SHIFTS AND, AND WHY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS TRADITIONALLY WORKED THOSE 24 HOUR SHIFTS, WHAT THOSE ADVANTAGES ARE, UH, AND ONE OF THE FIRST ONES THAT THAT, THAT COMES UP IS, IS THE, THE, THE CONTINUITY AND THE CREW'S ABILITY IN THE FIRE SERVICE, THE CREW AND THE INTEGRITY OF THAT CREW AND, AND THE FAMILIARITY OF THAT CREW IS INTEGRAL TO US DOING OUR JOBS. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND YOU, YOU COME OUT AND YOU WATCH AND YOU CAN TELL WHAT CREWS HAVE BEEN TOGETHER FOR A WHILE BECAUSE THERE'S VERY LITTLE TALK THAT GOES ON, UH, WHETHER IT BE AN EMS SCENE OR FIRE SCENE BECAUSE THEY WORK TOGETHER, THEY KNOW EACH OTHER, THEY KNOW THOSE INS AND OUTS THAT ARE THERE. 
          UH, YOU CAN EVEN PICK OUT SOMETIMES WHEN THERE'S A SWING GUY IN THAT GROUP BECAUSE HE'S NOT IN THAT. 
          SO THAT, THAT TIME PERIOD THERE, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT DOWNTIME AT THE FIRE STATION WE GET THAT IS REALLY INTEGRAL. 
          THAT CREW CEMENTING TOGETHER AND WORKING IN, IN, IN, IN CONJUNCTION WITH EACH OTHER AND WORKING WELL. 
          UM, UH, SO THAT, THAT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THERE, UH, WITH FEWER SHEDS, CHANGEOVER EVERY MORNING, UH, BEFORE THE CAPTAIN THAT I LEAVE GOES HOME, WE SIT AND WE TALK, UH, AND IT, AND IT'S ANYTHING FROM WHAT WENT ON WITH THE ENGINE THE DAY BEFORE THE HOUSE FIRES THAT THEY WENT TO THE MEDICAL CALLS. 
          BUT IT, THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION GETS PASSED. 
          MY TWO DRIVERS ARE DOING THE SAME THING WITH THE OUTGOING DRIVERS THAT ARE THERE. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT GETS RELAYED. 
          UM, AND WE KNOW THE TELEPHONE GAME, THE MORE TIMES WE DO THAT IN THE DAY, THE MORE TIMES THERE'S A CHANCE THAT INFORMATION TO GET MISSED. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, UH, SO, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT ONE CHANGEOVER, OKAY, UM, PLUS, YOU KNOW, WITH THE, YOU KNOW, CHECKING OUT THE EQUIPMENT, DOING THOSE TYPE OF THINGS, UH, IT, IT, IT'S ACTUALLY BETTER. 
          THE EQUIPMENT THEY DON'T DO GETS DONE THAT ONE TIME DURING THE DAY. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, GEAR COMMUTES LESS TRAVEL BURDENS WE ALREADY HAVE TALKED ABOUT. 
          UM, AND THEN EFFICIENT USE OF THE DUTY DAY, DAY. 
          ANY DAY THAT WE HAVE TRAINING THAT'S IN THERE, IT HEATS UP A GOOD PART OF THE DAY. 
          THIS, THIS WEEK AND LAST WEEK WE, WE'VE BEEN DOING, UH, WIND DRIVEN FIRES. 
          UH, IS IT THREE HOURS THAT WE'RE AT THE DRILL FIELD, YOU KNOW, UH, AND, AND IF WE ONLY HAD A, A 12 HOUR DAY, THAT THAT'S A BLOCK THERE. 
          THE BLOCK TO CHECKING OUT EQUIPMENT, WHAT HAVE YOU, AND THEN THAT, THAT DOWNTIME THAT WE NEED IN THE STATION HAS A CREW MELDING TOGETHER GETS EATEN UP VERY QUICKLY BEFORE YOU KNOW IT, THE DAY'S DONE. 
          UH, PLUS YOU ALSO HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE CHANGE OVER THERE. 
          UH, THE MORE TIME YOU CHANGE OVER, THE MORE CHANCES YOU HAVE OF OVERLAP WHERE AC CREW WILL BE OUT ON A CALL PAST THE TIME THAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO GET OFF. 
          UH, JUST BECAUSE OF THE WAY THOSE, YOU KNOW, THOSE THINGS HAPPEN WITH IN MAKING IT ONE CHANGE OVER A DAY REDUCES THE CHANCES OF THAT, UM, ALSO REDUCES THE CHANCES THAT WE'RE PAYING OVERTIME TO ACCRUE THAT'S HAPPENED TO HANG OVER BECAUSE OF THAT CHANGE OVER TIME. 
          UM, STAFFING AND COST EFFICIENCY. 
          UM, AND THEN IT ALLOWS FOR THAT, THAT WORK LIFE BALANCE. 
          UM, AND THIS IS, THIS IS ONE THING, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO EXPLAIN. 
          UH, WE WALK INTO THE FIRE STATION AND I TALKED LAST MONTH ABOUT THE, THE, UH, THE AUTONOM NERVOUS SYSTEM AND HOW IT'S ACTIVATED. 
          WE'RE AT THE STATION. 
          DEPENDING ON THE DAY THAT IT'S BEEN, IT CAN TAKE A WHILE TO MAKE THAT THAT SWITCH BACK. 
          SOMETIMES IT, IT CAN TAKE A COUPLE OF HOURS, SOMETIMES IT MAY TAKE EIGHT OR NINE HOURS TO GET OUT OF THAT RESPONSE MODE. 
          UM, AND, YOU KNOW, SO THE, THE MORE TIME THAT EATS INTO THAT, UH, THE LESS TIME THAT WE'RE THERE IS, IS QUALITY TIME WITH OUR FAMILY. 
          AND THAT QUALITY TIME WITH THE FAMILY IS REALLY NECESSARY FOR OUR FIREFIGHTERS TO BE WHO THEY ARE WHEN THEY'RE HERE. 
          THAT, THAT CHANCE TO, TO RESET AND, AND FLIP THAT SWITCH BACK, HAVE THE TIME OF THE FAMILY AND RETURN BACK TO WORK NOT ACTIVATED, UH, YOU KNOW, AND, AND RESET IN PSYCHOLOGICALLY AND PHYSIOLOGICALLY AND 
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IN A LOT OF TRADITION, UH, LIKE I SAID, LAST MONTH I WORKED 200 YEARS OF TRADITION AND IMPEDED BY PROGRESS. 
          UH, BUT SO THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF TRADITION IN THAT 24 HOUR SHIFT AND, AND HOW WE DO THOSE THINGS. 
          QUESTIONS BEFORE I MOVE ON TO YES MA'AM. 
          NOT SO MUCH A QUESTION, BUT CAN YOU KIND OF, UM, OR POST THAT HAVEN'T BEEN AT A STATION IN THE MORNING WHEN THIS, THE NEW SHIFT IS COMING ON. 
          CAN YOU KIND OF EXPLAIN HOW THAT PROCESS GOES AS FAR AS LIKE THE TIME? BECAUSE WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A SHORTER SHIFT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT ALSO EATS UP A BLOCK OF TIME WHEN, WHEN THE NEW SHIFT IS COMING ON. 
          CAN YOU JUST EXPLAIN WHAT, WHEN YOU GET IN THERE, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU DO BEFORE YOU CAN EVEN TAKE OVER THAT APPARATUS? OH, WHAT, WHAT DOES IT CHANGE OVER LOOK LIKE? LIKE, YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          IT, UH, I MEAN FOR, FOR, FOR ME, MY STATION, I, WHEN I GET THERE, I'M PULLING OFF THE IDEA OF THE OFF ONGOING CAPTAIN'S QUEUE. 
          MY, HERE ON THE APPARATUS, THEY CAN LOOK AT THE APPARATUS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AND, BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT COMPLETELY COMFORTABLE TAKING OVER UNTIL HE, HE COMES OUT AND, AND, AND WE HAVE A CONVERSATION TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY DID THE DAY BEFORE, LIKE THIS MORNING AT THE HOUSE WAS I WAS RELIEVING HIM AND IT WAS, HEY, WE, WE WENT TO INSTALL THIS SMOKE DETECTOR AT THE CITIZEN'S HOUSE. 
          WE GOT INTERRUPTED AND IT WAS 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT BEFORE WE GOT FREED UP. 
          SO WE NEED Y'ALL TO GO BACK TODAY TO, TO, TO INSTALL THAT SMOKE DETECTOR. 
          UM, THE ENGINE IS DOING THIS, UM, WE HAVE THIS PROBLEM. 
          WE'VE HAD THIS, THIS, AND THAT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AND IT GIVES ME A CHANCE THEN TO ASK QUESTIONS AND, AND, AND FIGURE THOSE THINGS OUT, YOU KNOW, UH, EVEN DOWN TO THE FACT THAT OUR SHOWERS ARE BEING REROUTED, WHICH SHOWERS CAN WE USE TODAY? YOU KNOW, UH, BECAUSE WE COULD MESS SOMETHING UP IF WE CAN'T GET THAT. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S ANY NUMBER OF THINGS, BUT THAT, THAT COUPLE OF HOURS IN THE MORNING I IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO BE ABLE TO SIT WITH THE OUTGOING SHIFT AND JUST TALK, UH, AND, AND BEAT, UH, BEFORE THEY HEAD OUT THE DOOR AND WE GO OUT AND START, START DOING THE ACTUAL WORK THERE. 
          UM, AND, AND I'M ABLE TO SIT AT THE TABLE AND AS, AS MY PEOPLE WALK IN, I'M ABLE TO GAUGE WHERE ARE THEY THAT DAY, YOU KNOW, AND, AND NOTICE, YOU KNOW, HE LOOKS LIKE HE'S HAD A ROUGH COUPLE DAYS OFF OR, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, SHE'S, UH, YOU KNOW, SHE'S READY TO GO FOR, TO WORK TODAY OR WHAT HAVE YOU. 
          I KNOW IN THAT TIME WHO I NEED TO PAY AS ATTENTION TO. 
          UM, RATHER THAN JUST WALK IN, GO STRAIGHT TO WORK, UH, THE OLD THING, THAT OLD, UH, LITTLE CARTOON, THE THE DOG AND, AND THE, SHE, YOU KNOW, OR THE COYOTE AND THE, SHE, YOU KNOW, LITTLE FRED LITTLE FRIEND. 
          YOU PUMP IN THINGS THAT CAN GO TO WORK. 
          IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE KNOW THE STATUS OF OUR PEOPLE AND EACH OTHER. 
          IF WE GO TO WORK THAT DAY, YOU KNOW, WHO, WHO DO WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF, WHO WE NEED TO WATCH OUT FOR? IF YOU NEEDS A LITTLE SOMETHING MORE THAT DAY, YOU KNOW, WHO'S READY TO GO TO WORK. 
          BUT ON TOP OF THAT, YOU ALSO HAVE SAFETY CHECKS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE TO DO. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU HAVE INSPECTIONS FOR THE APPARATUSES. 
          IF YOU'RE ON AMBULANCE, YOU'VE GOTTA DO INVENTORY, YOU'VE GOTTA RESTOCK, YOU'VE GOTTA ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          LIKE, I DON'T THINK MOST PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT BEFORE YOU CAN TAKE YOUR SHIFT IS LIKE GREEN-LIGHTED TO TAKE OFF. 
          LIKE YOU HAVE TO CHECK ALL THE EXPIRATION DATES ON ALL OF THE MEDICATION THAT'S IN THAT AMBULANCE. 
          SO THOSE ARE ADDITIONAL THINGS THAT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT A SHORTER, A SHORTER, UM, WORK TIME, IT'S, I MEAN, THAT'S A SOLID HOUR OF JUST INSPECTIONS AND INVENTORY CHECKING THAT YOU'RE HAVING TO DO. 
          SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT MOVING, YOU KNOW, TO A SHORTER SHIFT, THAT'S GONNA TAKE OUT A CHUNK OF, OF THAT TIME. 
          AND SO I THINK THAT THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE VALUABLE. 
          UM, INFORMATION TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION. 
          WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SHOULDER SHIFTS AS WELL. 
          IT'S TWO HOURS. 
          IT'S GONNA BE TWO HOURS AT THAT POINT, BUT AS A DRIVER, BASICALLY ALL THE AMBULANCE ON THE ENGINE, EACH ONE OF 'EM IS GONNA GET A REPORT FROM WHOEVER DROVE THE DAY BEFORE. 
          THEN WE HAVE TO DO BASICALLY A BUMPER TO BUMPER CHECK OF EACH TRUCK, WHOEVER'S IN CHARGE OF IT, LOOKING FOR DAMAGE, MAKE SURE EVERYTHING WORKS. 
          ENGINE DRIVER'S GONNA MAKE SURE IT'S GOT WATER, IT'S GOT DIESEL IN IT, TIRES LOOK GOOD, EVERYTHING, THERE'S NO DAMAGE. 
          UH, IT'S GOTTA CHECK EVERY PIECE OF EQUIPMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WORKS ON THE ENGINE. 
          UM, YOU GOTTA LOG ALL THAT, PUT ALL THE AIR PACKS IN ON THE ENGINE, AND THEN THE AMBULANCE, KIND OF WHAT YOU WERE DESCRIBING, WE HAVE TO DO SAME THING, BUMPER TO BUMPER, TRUCK CHECK DAMAGE, MAKE SURE EVERYTHING WORKS, UH, THE INVENTORY EXPIRATION DATES OF ALL THE, UH, MEDICATION IN THE BACK. 
          WE PUT NARCOTICS IN BECAUSE THAT'S D-A-D-E-A-D-E-A DOES IT. 
          UM, AND THEN WE HAVE AIRBAGS AS WELL. 
          SO YEAH, I MEAN WE, IT'S GONNA TAKE US ABOUT AN HOUR AND THAT'S IF WE DON'T GET INTERRUPTED. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I MEAN, THAT MORNING CHECKS REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE IF 
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SOMETHING'S NOT GONNA START OR SOMETHING'S BROKEN, YEAH, IT'S, IT'S ESSENTIAL. 
          WE FIND THAT OUT EARLY ON, YOU KNOW, AND, AND FOR US ON C SHIFT, WE, WE HAVE TO DO THE DOUBLE DUTY OF, OF TAKING CARE OF WHAT A SHIFT BROKE B SHIFT DIDN'T TAKE CARE OF AND PASSED ON TO OFFICE. 
          SO SAYING, UH, BUT, YOU KNOW, BUT YEAH, THERE'S, I MEAN THERE'S A LOT GOES ON. 
          I MEAN, AND IT'S DEPENDING ON THE DAY AND, AND, AND WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          IT'S 8 30, 9 O'CLOCK BEFORE WE'RE REALLY DUST DOING THAT. 
          IF WE'VE GOT AN EIGHT 30 TRAINING OR NINE O'CLOCK TRAINING, YOU KNOW, THAT JUST PUSHES ON AND, AND IF WE GET CALL IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT, IT, IT JUST EXTENDS ALL OF THAT OUT. 
          YEAH, IT'S, THERE COULD BE SEVERAL DAYS THAT IT'S, I MEAN, BEFORE WE KNOW IT, IT'S, IT'S FIVE OR SIX O'CLOCK, WHICH ON 12 HOUR SHIFT WE'D BE, YOU KNOW, AN HOUR GOING HOME. 
          YOU, SO, YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, LET'S TALK, TALK ABOUT THE, THE, THE TOURS AT 24 HOURS LONG. 
          THIS IS THE, OUR, OUR CURRENT SCHEDULE 24 48, UM, A, B, C. 
          UM, AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, THIS DATA THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY ON, AND IT'S PROBABLY THE MOST COMMON SHIFT PATTERN OUT THERE, UH, WHEN IT COMES TO THE BUYER SERVICE, UH, IT IS, IS DECREASING AS OTHER PEOPLE MOVE TO OTHER SHIFTS, THAT'S STILL THE LARGEST ONE, UH, THAT'S USED OUT THERE. 
          PRE-SHIFT PATTERN, UH, HAS THE AVERAGE 56 HOUR WORK WEEK. 
          UM, AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO GO IN DEPTH, UH, IS THE PROBLEMS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THAT AT LENGTH LAST. 
          LASTLY, UH, BUT ANY SHIP PATTERN THAT'S 56 HOURS, UH, IS NOT AFFORDING US THAT RECOVERY TIME. 
          UH, WE HAVE HEARD A LOT OF DEPARTMENTS, UM, A LARGE NUMBER OF DEPARTMENTS IN THE METROPLEX HAVE MOVED TO THE 48 96. 
          UH, IT'S STILL A THREE SHIP PATTERN. 
          UM, AND IT'S JUST AN ADAPTATION OF THE 24 48, UH, STILL AN AVERAGE SIX HOURS, 56 HOUR WORK WEEK, GIVING THE ILLUSION THAT IT'S MORE RECOVERY TIME. 
          THE ONLY OUR DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE 48 96 IS MORE RECOVERY TIME FOR ARE THOSE DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE LESS BUSY THAN WE ARE. 
          UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE DEPARTMENTS IN THE METROPLEX THAT HAVE GONE TO THE 49 6, UH, ALL OF THEM, THE POPULATION'S LESS THAN 230 CHIEFS, JUST ANY SAY LESS THAN 2 35, UH, AND THEY'RE ALL VOLUME IS DRASTICALLY LESS THAN AVERAGE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, DOCTOR, UM, SARAH JANKE, UH, WHO IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST PROMINENT, UH, PEOPLE IN DOING THE RESEARCH IN THIS, HER HER RESEARCH HAS SHOWN THAT ANY DEPARTMENT THAT CONSISTENTLY GETS INTERRUPTED SLEEP IS INTERRUPTED MORE THAN TWICE A NIGHT. 
          UH, THAT THIS IS NOT THE SCHEDULE, UH, BECAUSE OF THOSE, THOSE SLEEP INTERRUPTIONS. 
          OKAY? UM, AND, AND THE, THE CONCERN THAT REALLY COMES INTO THAT IS, IS THOSE LONGER SHIFTS, OKAY? AND, AND THE INCREASED RISK THAT COMES IN ON DAY TWO. 
          OKAY? UH, TYLER TALKED LAST MONTH ABOUT DOING DRUG CALCULATIONS. 
          UM, I DON'T WANT THE PARAMEDIC TO FIXING GIVE ME A MEDICATION THAT THE RIGHT DOSE CAN FIX ME, BUT THE WRONG DOSE CAN KILL ME. 
          UM, I DON'T WANT THE ONE THAT'S BEEN UP FOR, YOU KNOW, 20, BEEN UP FOR 36 40 HOURS DURING THAT DRUG CALCULATION, AND THAT, THAT'S WHERE THE PROBLEM COMES IN THERE. 
          UM, AND THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH RECOVERY. 
          UH, ONE THING TO REMEMBER WE TALKED ABOUT LAST MONTH IS FOR EVERY NIGHT OF INTERRUPTED SLEEP, YOU NEED THREE NIGHTS TO RECOVER. 
          WELL, NOW YOU'VE GOT TWO NIGHTS OF UNINTERRUPTED SLEEP, UH, WHICH WOULD SAY BY YOU NEED SIX DAYS. 
          WHEREAS HERE, WE'RE ONLY GETTING, UH, THE FULL, UH, PORTLAND, UH, CAME UP WITH A ANOTHER SCHEDULE, WHICH IS ANOTHER ADAPTATION OF THE 24 48. 
          STILL LOOK AT THE SIX HOUR WORK WEEK, BUT, UM, IT GOES BY THE NAME OF PORTLAND SCHEDULE OR THE 1 3, 2, 3. 
          OKAY? UH, YOU WORK ONE DAY, YOU'RE OFFERED, UH, UH, 72, THEN YOU WORK TWO DAYS AND YOU'RE OFF 72. 
          UM, I DON'T LIKE THE SCHEDULE JUST FOR THE FACT THAT IT DOESN'T MARCH OUT NICELY. 
          LIKE, UH, THE 24 48 DOES. 
          NOW I CAN, I CAN KNOW WHAT DAY I'M WORKING WELL INTO THE FUTURE. 
          UH, THIS ONE TAKES SOME FIGURING, UH, BUT IT'S STILL A 56 HOUR WORK WEEK, UH, ON AVERAGE, UM, AND DOES NOT AFFORD THAT RECOVERY TIME THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. 
          RIGHT? UM, AND AGAIN, YOU'VE GOT THOSE CONSISTENT 48 HOUR SHIFTS THAT FALL IN THERE. 
          UH, UM, FOR ME, THIS IS A, 
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IF ANYTHING, THIS IS A TRANSITION SHIFT SCHEDULE. 
          UH, AS YOU MOVE TO A 24 72, UH, THIS IS THE WAY THAT YOU CAN BEGIN THAT TRANSITION IF NEED BE. 
          UM, BUT I, FOR ME, IT'S NOT ONE THAT THAT WILL LAST LONG TERM, WHICH IT BRINGS US TO THE 24 72, WHICH IS A 42 HOUR WORK WEEK. 
          IT IS A FOUR SHIFT, UH, SCHEDULE. 
          UM, IT IS THE UPCOMING NEW STANDARD. 
          UM, AND IT IS, LIKE I SAID, A FOUR HR WORK WEEK, UM, AND WOULD REQUIRE AN 85 ADDITIONAL FIREFIGHTERS TO FULLY IMPLEMENT IN THE CITY OF GARLAND, UH, BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE TO ADD THAT THESE SHIFTS. 
          OKAY? UM, IT IS THE ONLY SHIFT THAT IS EVIDENCE BASED TO PROVIDE THE RECOVERY TIME AS FIREFIGHTERS NEED, UH, WITH THE DISRUPTED . 
          OKAY? UM, AND, AND WE WILL TALK HERE IN A MINUTE. 
          THERE'S A WHITE PAPER IN FRONT OF YOU THAT TALKS ABOUT, UH, THE, THE NEED FOR DISCOVERY. 
          UM, THAT LEADS US TO THIS 24 72. 
          AS WE LOOK AT THOSE SHIFT PATTERNS, THE, THE FIRST THREE, WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT, THE 24 48, 48 9 6, THE 1 3, 2 3, THEY'RE STILL 56 HOUR WORK WEEKS, AND THEY DON'T GIVE US THE RECOVERY TIME THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. 
          UH, WHEREAS THE 24 72 DOES GIVE US THAT RECOVERY TIME THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE IN THAT THERE IS COST IN THAT. 
          WE'LL TALK MORE. 
          THAT WILL BE THE BIG SUBJECT OF NEXT MONTH. 
          BUT, UH, AS WE'RE LOOKING AT TO FIX THE PROBLEM, 24 72, UH, IS THE SHIP PATTERN THAT, THAT THE PROBLEM IS WORKING. 
          LIKE SAID, YOU HAVE THE  WHITE PAPER, AND THIS IS REALLY THE FIRST WHITE PAPER AND EVIDENCE-BASED DRY PAPER THAT WAS BROUGHT OUT TALKING ABOUT, UH, THE, THE NEED FOR REST. 
          UH, THE FACT THAT THE 56 HOUR WORK WEEK, UH, IS KILLING OUR FIREFIGHTERS AND ENDANGERING THE SERVICE THAT THEY PROVIDE TO THE FIRE, TO THE CITIZENS, UH, THAT THEY SERVE. 
          AND IN THERE YOU JUST PULL OUT A FEW THINGS, UH, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THOSE BEING THE ISSUES THAT THAT COME. 
          SO WORK WEEK AND, AND WHERE THE 42 HOUR WORK WEEK THAT IS THE SOLUTION, UH, THE CHRONIC, UH, SLEEP DISRUPTION SLEEP OR THE CHRONIC, UH, SLEEP THAT, THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, THOSE THREE DAYS OFF GIVE THAT REALISTIC OPPORTUNITY TO REHAB THOSE RECOVERY NIGHTS. 
          UH, AND, AND THIS IS A GOOD PLACE TO TALK ABOUT THAT PART-TIME WORK, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THE CONCERN THAT THAT'S BROUGHT UP THERE, AND I THINK IT'S A VALID CONCERN. 
          UH, BUT HERE'S THE THING. 
          WHEN PEOPLE, FIREFIGHTERS WORK THEIR PART-TIME JOBS, MOST OF THAT, AND, AND ALL OF US LIVE PRETTY MUCH DURING THE DAY, AND THOSE JOBS ARE NOT DISRUPTING THOSE RECOVERY NIGHTS OF SLEEP. 
          THEY'RE STILL GETTING HOME AND SLEEPING. 
          UM, AND DOING THAT, IT'S BEEN VERY INTERESTING. 
          I I GOT THE NEW APPLE WATCH, AND IF YOU WEAR IT AT NIGHT, YOU CAN SEE YOUR SLEEP PATTERNS. 
          AND THERE IS A VERY DISTINCT, I MEAN, YOU COULD LOOK AT THAT AND SAY, YEAH, HE'S ON SHIFT THIS NIGHT. 
          HE IS AT HOME HERE. 
          UH, THIS IS WHERE THE LABS DECIDED TO SLEEP IN THE BED. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, BUT, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT NIGHT'S IATION. 
          YOU SEE THOSE RED SPIKES AND THOSE WIDE SPACES, YOU KNOW, WHERE I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR AN HOUR OR LONGER, UH, ON THOSE NIGHTS, OKAY? UM, BUT THOSE THREE DAYS OFF, YOU HAVE A CHANCE FOR THAT RECOVERY SLEEP. 
          UH, LINE OF NEW HEALTH RISK IS, IS TIGHTLY TIED FOR SLEEP. 
          UH, CHIEF LEE BROCK TALKED LAST MONTH ABOUT, UH, HEART DISEASE, CANCER, UH, DIABETES, UH, ANY NUMBER OF METABOLIC DISORDERS ARE TIED DIRECTLY TO THAT DISRUPTED SLEEP. 
          AND NOT GETTING THAT RECOVERY SLEEP, A 42 HOUR WORK WEEK THAT WE CAN GET THROUGH A 24 7 2 GIVES US THAT CONSECUTIVE OFF-DUTY TIME FOR THAT PHYSIOLOGICAL RESET, UH, FOR OUR IMMUNE SYSTEM TO BE STRONG, UH, TO, TO BE ABLE TO FIGHT THOSE THINGS BECAUSE, UH, THE MENTAL HEALTH PROTECTION, UH, REQUIRES THAT SLEEP OPPORTUNITY, LIKE I TALKED ABOUT LAST MONTH IN OUR SLEEP, IS WHERE WE FILE THOSE MEMORIES, WHERE WE PROCESS THE TRAUMA AND WE PUT IT IN ITS APPROPRIATE PLACE. 
          WHEN WE DON'T GET THAT GOOD. 
          SO WE SLEEP, WE DON'T GET THAT GOOD REM SLEEP, WE DON'T PROCESS THAT TRAUMA AND IT ENDS UP CAUSING THOSE PROBLEMS. AND THOSE LONGER INTERVALS BETWEEN THOSE CURES CREATE THAT SPACE FOR THAT PSYCHOLOGICAL DECOMPRESSION, UH, FOR US TO PROPERLY PROCESS THOSE THINGS AND, AND REDUCE THE NUMBER OF PROBLEMS WE HAVE THERE, UH, YOU KNOW, IN THE 56 HOUR WORK WEEK, UH, THAT IT DIRECTLY IMPACTS THE SAFETY AND OUR OPERATIONAL PERFORMANCE. 
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OKAY? YOU CAN TELL WHEN YOU GO IN THE FIRE STATION IN THE MORNING WHO'S BEEN HAVING A ROUGH COVID AT THE STATION BECAUSE THEY'RE SHOWING BACK AT THE NIGHT, OKAY? UM, AND, AND THERE GUARANTEE YOU, GIVEN THAT RECOVERY TIME, THEY'LL BE BETTER RESTED, BETTER ABLE WHEN THEY SHOW UP THAT DAY READY TO GO, UM, AND, AND, AND BETTER ABLE TO THEIR JOB. 
          OKAY? UH, YOU KNOW, THAT WORK LIFE TOPIC IS, IS AN ISSUE WHEN IT COMES TO RETENTION AND RECRUITMENT. 
          UH, IT, IT IS A REGULAR QUESTION. 
          NOW, WHEN FIREFIGHTERS SIGN UP, THEY WON UP THE SCHEDULE WAS WHEN I, WHEN I TESTED FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, I, I KNEW WE HAD 24 48, THAT'S GREAT. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, I, I DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS GREAT. 
          I DIDN'T CARE ABOUT THE, THEY WANNA KNOW WHAT THAT WORKED LAST TIME. 
          LIKE THEIR TIME OFF IS MORE IMPORTANT TO THEM THAN IT WAS TO US, RIGHT? UH, SO BECOMES THAT, UM, THAT 24 7 P GIVES US THOSE, THOSE PREDICTABLE MULTIPLE DAY RECOVERY BLOCKS. 
          UH, SO FAMILY TIME, WHAT HAVE YOU. 
          UM, ONE OF THE OTHER, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE ASKED ABOUT OR ASKING ABOUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE PART-TIME WORK IS ARE THEY WORKING FOR SOMEBODY ELSE? ARE THEY WORKING FOR THEMSELVES? WE HAVE A LOT OF OUR PRODUCTS THAT HAVE THEIR OWN BUSINESS. 
          AND WHY THAT'S AN IMPORTANT QUESTION IS, IS DO THEY HAVE STABILITY SCHEDULE? RESEARCH SHOWS THAT IF YOU HAVE A SLEEPLESS NIGHT, THE BEST THING TO DO FOR YOURSELF IS A 90 MINUTE NAP. 
          THAT 90 MINUTE NAP NEEDS TO BE TAKEN BEFORE NOON, GET UP AND THEN WORK, BE UP THE REST OF THE DAY AND GO TO SLEEP, GO TO BED AT NIGHT. 
          THE REST TIME THAT MAINTAINS THAT, UH, UH, THAT SLEEP SCHEDULE MAINTAINS THE, UH, CIRCADIAN ROOM, UH, THAT WE NEED. 
          SLEEPING ANY LONGER THAN THAT IS DETRIMENTAL. 
          AND, AND THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO KNOW. 
          YOU HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY TO SCHEDULE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT WHEN YOU WANT TO, UH, RATHER THAN GOING STRAIGHT ON TO SOMETHING ELSE. 
          UM, AND WE TALKED LAST WEEK, LAST MONTH ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THAT THE, THE COST TO THE CITY AND THE COST TO THE CITIZENS IN, IN, IN TERMS OF THE, THE, UH, CANCER, UH, WORK INJURIES, UM, AND METABOLIC, THOSE THINGS THAT GO ON, UH, AND IF WE CAN BREAK THAT CYCLE, THAT WILL HELP TAKE CARE OF A LOT OF THOSE, THOSE HIDDEN COSTS. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, ONE THING THAT, UH, UH, YOU TALK ABOUT YOUR 12 HOUR, 24 HOUR SHIFTS, UM, BY MAINTAINING 24 HOUR SHIFT, REDUCE THE NUMBER OF TIMES SOMEBODY HAS THE POTENTIAL TO CALL AND SIT, UH, BECAUSE, UH, SOMEBODY WORKS A 12 HOUR SHIFT, THEY'RE GONNA WORK DOUBLE THE NUMBER OF DAYS IN YEAR, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A 42 HOUR WORK WEEK. 
          WELL, YOU, YOU GOT THAT MANY MORE CHANCES THAT THEY, YOU CALL AND SICK WHERE IT'S ON A 24 HOUR SHIFT, THEY'RE ONLY WORKING AND 42 HOUR WORK, NINE ONE SHIFTS A YEAR, SO YOU ONLY HAVE A ONE TO 91 CHANCE, UH, THAT THEY'LL YOU BE, BE SICK THAT NIGHT. 
          UH, SO A LOT OF, A LOT OF HIDDEN COSTS THAT COME INTO THAT. 
          BUT AS WE, AS WE TAKE CARE OF THESE THINGS, WE BREAK THAT CYCLE. 
          YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE ANY INJURIES. 
          WE DON'T HAVE, YOU HOPEFULLY SEE REDUCTION IN CANCER. 
          WE SEE A REDUCTION, LOT OF THOSE WORK RELATED, UH, ENTRIES THAT ARE THERE. 
          AND THIS COMES FROM THE WHITE PAPER. 
          AND I HOPE, HOPE YOU TAKE TIME TO DO THAT, TO READ THAT. 
          BUT IF FIREFIGHTERS NEVER RECEIVE ENOUGH CONTINUOUS NIGHTS TO RECOVER, FATIGUE BECOMES PERMANENT. 
          IT, IT, IT IS AMAZING TO TALK TO OUR RETIREES. 
          AND, AND YOU KNOW, I, I EXPECTED THAT WHEN I TALK TO RETIREE, YOU KNOW, HEY, WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, HOW'S IT BEEN? WHAT'S THE GREATEST THING? YOU KNOW, EXPECT PEOPLE TO TRAVEL OR, YOU KNOW, WORK DO THIS OR THAT, OR ANOTHER. 
          99% OF RETIREES THAT I TALK TO, THE FIRST THING THEY SAY, THE SLEEP IS PHENOMENAL. 
          I FEEL RESTED FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 35 YEARS. 
          BUT I CAN ONLY IMAGINE. 
          I, I MEAN, I, I'VE, I, AS I THINK ABOUT IT, AND I THINK THAT YOU, I'VE BEEN IN THIS FOR 35 YEARS THAT, YEAH, I CHRONICALLY DO FEEL TIRED, YOU KNOW, AND, BUT, AND, AND YOU SEE THEM AND BACK UP TYLER TOO, THEY LOOK DIFFERENT. 
          THEY RESTED. 
          I MEAN, AS THEY RETIRED AND THEY LEFT YOU, AND THEN YOU SEE THEM A MONTH, TWO MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD, IT'S AMAZING THE DIFFERENCE JUST GETTING THAT SLEEP, UH, WHAT THAT CAN DO. 
          UM, AND, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE ROTATION THAT CREATES A REAL CHANCE FOR THOSE THREE RECOVERY NIGHTS IS, IS FOUND IN THAT 42 HOUR WORK, THE 24 72 SCHEDULE. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S VERY REALISTIC. 
          UM, AND, AND, AND I WILL SAY WITHIN THE NEXT 10 YEARS, THE 24 72 
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IS GONNA BE THE STANDARD. 
          AND, AND THAT PEOPLE AREN'T ALREADY MOVING TO IT. 
          WE, WE'LL START MOVING THAT DIRECTION. 
          AND JUST SOME DIRECT QUOTES, UH, FROM, FROM KELLY IN THAT WHITE PAPER. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, THE TRADITIONAL SCHEDULING MODELS, THE WORST THINGS ISSUED BY FAILING TO PROVIDE THE ADEQUATE RECOVERY TIME, PERPETUATING A CYCLE OF BURNOUT AND ATTRITION. 
          UM, IT ALSO SAYS THAT BY PRIORITIZING FIREFIGHTER HEALTH AND WELLBEING, UH, DEPARTMENTS CAN FOSTER A, A SUSTAINABLE WORKFORCE THAT'S BETTER EQUIPPED TO SERVE COMMUNITIES, UH, EFFECTIVELY AND SAFELY. 
          I SAID, THIS IS A A, A GREAT WHITE PAPER. 
          UM, AND LOT OF RESEARCH WENT INTO THAT. 
          THERE'S MORE RESEARCH TO COME, UH, EVEN INTO IS HAS MOVED ARMS HAVE MOVED TO 24 7 2, STARTING TO GATHER THAT DATA, UH, FOR, FOR PAPERS TO BE WRITTEN. 
          UH, NEXT MONTH, UH, WILL WE DISCUSS HOW WE PAY FOR THAT? UM, I WILL HARDLY BELIEVE THAT 24 7 2 IS, IS IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO, UH, IN THE INTEREST OF OUR FIREFIGHTERS AND THEIR HEALTH AND THE SERVICE TO OUR CITIZENS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, SO NEXT, NEXT MONTH, WE'LL, YOU KNOW, LET MATT TAKE THE REALM, HAVE ALL KINDS OF EXCITING SPREADSHEETS AND DATA, WE'LL, ALL THAT. 
          UH, BUT I CAME ACROSS THIS QUOTE, VAGINA CANDY, AND I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE. 
          THERE ARE RISKS AND COST TO ACTION, UH, BUT THEY ARE FAR LESS, UH, THAN THE LOG RISK OF COMFORTABLE IN ACTION. 
          REALLY EASY TO SAY WHAT, YOU'RE JUST GONNA SAY 24 48. 
          UH, BUT WHAT IS THE COST OF THAT GOING TO BE? I THINK I, I'VE SEEN IT DONE AND I, I KNOW WHERE I, I I FEEL VERY CONFIDENT WHERE, WHAT THOSE THINGS WE HAD HERE, WE DON'T DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. 
          UM, GARLAND IS PROUD OFS PRIDE OF ITSELF AND VIEWED, UH, AT THE FOREFRONT OF THINGS AND, AND, AND BEING PROACTIVE AND HOPE THAT THIS WOULD BE ANOTHER CHANCE FOR THAT. 
          LIKE I SAID, NEXT MONTH, WE'LL, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE ACTUAL COSTS, MAKE A TRANSITION IN WAYS THAT WE CAN DO THAT. 
          AND I'VE ALWAYS BEEN AMAZED THAT WE ALWAYS SEEM, WHENEVER WE, WE WANNA ACCOMPLISH SOMETHING AMAZING, WE FIND THE MONEY AMAZING. 
          WE FIND THE WAY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. 
          SO, AND THAT PROFESSOR CREDIT TO THE STAFF OF THE CITY, UH, AS WELL AS THE COUNCIL AND, AND THE ABILITY TO DO THAT WORK TOGETHER. 
          SO, BUT I WILL STOP TALKING AND, AND OPEN IT UP TO, UH,  DISCUSSION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, COMMITTEE, THIS IS QUESTIONS. 
          YOU GOT A QUESTION? I WAS READING THE, UH, WHITE PAPER AS WE WERE GOING ALONG. 
          DOUBT THERE'S A WAY TO EVEN, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DO THIS, BUT SHE ACKNOWLEDGES THE BUDGET CONSTRAINTS THAT A 24 72 PUTS ON, UH, A CITY ORGANIZATION. 
          AND ALSO STATES THAT THERE'S, UH, AS YOU MENTIONED, SIGNIFICANT LACK OF LONG-TERM RESEARCH ON THE IMPACT OF, OF A 24 72 ON THE HEALTH OF A FIREFIGHTER. 
          AND THAT PEOPLE NEED TO BE DOING MORE RESEARCH TO DISCOVER WHAT THOSE ARE. 
          SHE ACTUALLY MENTIONS THAT SHE SUGGESTS FIRE DEPARTMENTS ARE PILOT PROGRAMS AND, AND TO CONDUCT AND SEE HOW IT IS IMPACTING AND IS IT IS SUCCESSFUL FOR THE ORGANIZATION. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE AND GET Y'ALL'S THOUGHTS. 
          I WOULD THINK FROM A CULTURAL SIDE, IT WOULD, YOU BASICALLY PINNING ONE GROUP OR ONE STATION OR ONE TIE, IT'S GETTING A BENEFIT THAT OTHERS AREN'T, WHICH IS, UH, EQUITABLE. 
          BUT JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE AND GET Y'ALL'S THOUGHTS ON THAT. 
          I THINK THERE'S A BUNCH OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE PILOTS . 
          UM, I'M ANGRY. 
          AGREE WITH HER. 
          I THINK THAT WE'VE GOT TO LOOK AT ALL, ALL THINGS AND THE RESEARCH THAT I'VE DONE PERSONALLY, YOU LOOK AT O SHIFT DATA WITH INJURIES DAY SHIFT WITH GREATER THAN 20 HOURS SHIFTS TO EVENING SHIFTS AND NIGHT SHIFTS, AND YOU JUST SEE THE NUMBERS ESCALATE. 
          THEY LIKE HELPS FOR THEM. 
          WHY DOES THE NATURAL BODY STATE USED BE AWAKE DURING THE DAY IN A S SLEEP AT NIGHT? UH, YOU LOOK AT RECOVERY TIMES WITH, UH, SOFT TISSUE INJURIES AND, AND DR. 
          TYS MAY BE OVERWEIGHT ON THIS FAR GREATER THAN MARK LEE EVER WOULD BE ABLE TO. 
          BUT MY UNDERSTANDING, A A SOFT TISSUE INJURY GIVEN A FEW EXTRA HOURS TO HEAL IS A SOFT TISSUE INJURY THAT IS WELL BEFORE THEY 
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COME BACK TO WORK, OR AT LEAST SIGNIFICANTLY HEALED BEFORE THEY CAME BACK TO WORK. 
          UM, THIRD BACK SURGERY IN 12 MONTHS IS BECAUSE MY BODY WAS ASSAULTED 24 HOURS WITHOUT TIME TO HEAL THOSE MINOR LITTLE BACK INJURIES. 
          'CAUSE WE WERE STILL LIFTING COPS, LIFTING, UH, FROM THE GROUND LEVEL TO THE RANGE LEVEL AND GET TO THE ANGLE AND, AND LOWER IT BACK DOWN, AND THEN RAISE THE WHOLE THING UP, PUT IT IN THE AMBULANCE AND, AND BACK MUSCLES AND THE, THE VERTEBRAE AND EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          AND THE DISCS WERE ALL BEING ASSAULTED AN EXTRA DAY OFF MAY HAVE PREVENTED AT LEAST ONE OF MY SURGERIES, HOPEFULLY ALL FOOT. 
          UH, SO MORE RESEARCH ABSOLUTELY IS NECESSARY. 
          UH, WE KNOW A LOT ABOUT SLEEP. 
          WE DON'T KNOW AS MUCH ABOUT RECOVERY. 
          I'M GUESSING, DOC, YOU WANNA WAIT ON ANY OF THAT RECOVERY TIME? AND EVERYBODY SAID WE RECOVER LESS CHANCES OF MAKING MISTAKES. 
          SO MY, MY CHAIR THINGS IS NOT THE DIRECTOR OF WANNA MAKE SURE THE CARE THEY GIVE IN THE FIRST HOUR IS CARE THEY GIVE IN 2030, UH, ON THEIR SHIFT. 
          AND SO IF THEY'RE UP FOR 23 HOURS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE NATURE OF THE JOB. 
          BUT THEY, THEY'VE ALL SIGNED UP FOR IT. 
          BUT IDEALLY, THEY HAVE NO REST TO GO HOME, HAVE THEIR MIND RECOVER, COME BACK RESTED SO THEY CAN DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN BECAUSE THEIR JOB IS NOT EASY. 
          UM, AND THEY ALL SIGN UP FOR IT. 
          THEY, THEY, THEY ACCEPT THE UNEASY PART OF THE JOB, BUT YOU KNOW, MORE, MORE THE REST, THE, THE BETTER YOU ARE. 
          YOU KNOW, CAN YOU TALK THROUGH IT? YES. 
          BUT AS YOU TALK THROUGH IT, EVEN THE SIMPLEST THINGS BECOME HARDER THINGS, YOU START TO SPEND MORE AND MORE NEURONS AND DO THE SIMPLEST THINGS AND THE HARDER, MORE COMPLEX THINGS AND HAVE A HIGHER CHANCE OF BECOMING A MISTAKE. 
          AND MISTAKES CALM DOWN, ESPECIALLY IN THE WORLD OF MEDICINE. 
          YOU KNOW, ONE MISTAKE AND THE CALCULATION EARLY ON AND, YOU KNOW, BECOME A BIGGER, BIGGER PROBLEM DOWN THE, DOWN THE ROAD IN THE SAME CARE, THE SAME PATIENT. 
          SO YEAH, REST IS IMPORTANT. 
          SO HOW DO WE DO A PILOT STUDY? I'M NOT REAL SURE. 
          UH, THE CONSTRAINTS OF 1 43 ALSO IT SAYS SAME PATIENT, SAME. 
          I DON'T KNOW, BUT IT, I THINK THAT, UM, THERE'S MORE NEED. 
          BUT WHAT WE DO NOTICE, 24 48 IS NOT SUSTAINABLE, ESPECIALLY IN THE CALL VOLUMES THAT THOSE GUYS OVER THERE ARE PUSHING BY. 
          UM, IT'S TRULY IS, IS UNREAL. 
          UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT 21,000 EMS CALLS ALONE, PLUS THE, UH, FIRE CALLS PUSHES US 30, 31,000 CALLS PER YEAR, UM, FOR 11 STATIONS AND 85 PEOPLE PER SHIFT. 
          THEY'RE, THEY'RE HITTING, THEY'RE HITTING IT HARD. 
          AND THEN BIG, BIG THINGS WITH CANCER AT THE FIRE SERVICE. 
          UH, WE ARE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR WAYS TO REDUCE CANCER. 
          SECOND SETS OF GEAR, UH, UH, WIPES, GROSS DECON, UH, GETTING OUR GEAR WASHED AND CLEANED MORE REGULARLY AND FREQUENTLY. 
          AND, UH, ALL OF THESE THINGS TO REDUCE CANCER WITH AN EXTRA DAY OFF. 
          I REDUCED HER CANCER 25%, POTENTIALLY PRESUMING THAT YOU GET EXPOSED TO CANCER EVERY DAY THAT YOU WORK. 
          BUT FOR THE 24 48, EVERY THIRD DAY, YOU WERE ON THE POTENTIAL 24 7 TWO'S EVERY SO AN IMMEDIATE 25% OF POTENTIAL REDUCTION IN CANCER, UH, CLAIMS, SOFT TISSUE INJURIES, AND BECOME JOINT INJURIES, UH, THAT REQUIRE LONG-TERM SURGERIES AND RECOVERIES FROM SURGERY. 
          IT'S TIME SPENT. 
          HOW WORK IS TIME SPENT HAVING OVERTIME BACK BUILD THEIR POSITION WHILE THEY'RE AT FALL INJURED? I THINK THAT THESE ARE THE, THE THINGS THAT THE FUTURE RESEARCH 24 7 2 IS GOING TO SHOW US IS THAT THE, THE ADDITIONAL SALARIES THAT WE HAVE TO PAY BECOME, OFFSET BY A LOT OF THE OTHER THINGS. 
          GO WITH IT. 
          HOW DO I QUANTIFY THAT TODAY? MAN, I CAN'T EVEN GIVE 'EM, TELL ME HOW MUCH I OWE TIME. 
          BUT I DON'T LIKE, BECAUSE IT, IT'S IMPORTANT. 
          IT, IT'S, IT'S ONE OF THE HARDEST THINGS THAT A PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE MEMBERS ARE GONNA HAVE TO GO FACE THE OTHER MEMBERS OF COUNCIL AND, AND SAY, UH, WE NEED TO DO THIS AND WE GOTTA FIND MONEY SOMEWHERE. 
          SOMEHOW. 
          UH, I'VE HEARD ALL KINDS OF RECOMMENDATIONS FROM ELIMINATING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          THAT'S SUCH FORM POSSIBILITY AND IT'S PROBABLY NOT A GREAT CHOICE. 
          JEFF RYAN'S NOT HERE. 
          SO ON THE TABLE, EVERYBODY WANTS TO SECOND THAT MOTION. 
          UH, BUT WE, WE, WE LAUNCHED 
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INTO THIS A LONG TIME AGO, IT FEELS LIKE NOW, UH, OF TAKING CARE OF OUR PEOPLE WHILE REMAINING FINANCIALLY SUSTAINABLE. 
          AND, AND I'M STILL COMMITTED TO THAT, WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE. 
          SO, UH, BUT NUMBER ONE FOR ME, UH, IS TO TAKE CARE OF THE FOLKS THAT ARE SITTING OVER THERE TONIGHT, ALL THE ONES THAT THEY REPRESENT WHILE WE'RE HERE. 
          THE GOOD THING IS, IS THERE'S A LOT OF DEPARTMENTS IN FLORIDA AND OTHER AREAS THAT HAVE DONE THE PILOT FOR US. 
          AND I THINK WE CAN LOOK TO THEM LIKE GIVE THE INFORMATION TO GAIN WHAT HAVE YOU. 
          AND I THINK WE CAN DRAW NATURAL CONCLUSIONS FROM WHAT THEY'VE EXPERIENCED, THAT THAT, THAT THOSE THINGS WILL CARRY OVER HERE. 
          AND LIKE CHIEF WAS TALKING ABOUT WITH CANCER, THERE IS SOME RESPONSIBILITY ON US AS FIREFIGHTERS KNOW. 
          AND WE, WE ARE GOING, YOU KNOW, EDUCATION ON, ON, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, GETTING THIS, LIKE GETTING THE REST, DOING THOSE THINGS THAT'S BEST FOR THEM, YOU KNOW, EDUCATING THEM LIKE WE'VE DONE WITH CANCER. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU GROSS DECON THE FIRE SO YOU GET YOUR GEAR WASHED. 
          YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT YOU KNOW, WOULD BE EASY JUST TO SAY, AH, IT'S FINE, WHAT HAVE YOU. 
          WE NEED TO DO THE SAME THING WHEN IT COMES TO GETTING THAT SLEEP, YOU KNOW, UH, , IT, IT, THE EDUCATION. 
          I SAY THERE'S, THERE'S A BOOK CALLED WILY SLEEP. 
          IF YOU WANNA HAVE NIGHTMARES READ THAT BOOK MM-HMM . 
          UH, BECAUSE IT TELLS YOU WHAT GOES ON IN SLEEP, BUT WHEN, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DON'T GET THAT SLEEP, UM, SCARED ME INTO THE BACK THAT IF I, IF I'M TIRED AT EIGHT O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, I GO TO BED WITH ALL MY, MY KIDS WOULD MAKE FUN OF IF MY WIFE WOULD, WOULD JO ME UP BEING AN OLD MAN, MY BODY'S TELLING ME SOMETHING, SO I'M GONNA LISTEN TO IT. 
          I'M GONNA GO TO BED, GET THAT REST THAT IT'S REQUIRING. 
          UH, AND THAT'S ONE THING WE NEED TO EDUCATE OUR PEOPLE AND THEY NEED TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY TO, TO, TO USE THE DAYS. 
          IF WE CAN MAKE THIS HAPPEN, USE THOSE DAYS WISELY TO GET THE REST THAT THEY'RE BEING PULLED. 
          UM, I KNOW YOU'RE WORKING ON GETTING DATA ABOUT, UM, THE EFFECTS OF THIS SHIFT ON OVERTIME, UM, HOURS OR REDUCTION. 
          I'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE SOME DATA FROM EVEN THOSE EAST COAST, UM, DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE ALREADY GONE TO THE 24 72. 
          UM, I REALLY WANNA KNOW HOW THEIR OVERTIME RATES ARE AFFECTED BECAUSE WE HAVE A BUNCH OF OVERTIME AND, UM, IF, IF ANYTHING, UM, THAT NEEDS TO BE SEVERELY REDUCED BY GOING TO THAT SCHEDULE. 
          ONE THING I'M HEARING OUT, NOBODY HAS SENT ME DATA TO SUPPORT IT MM-HMM . 
          BUT IT OVERTIME IT GOES WHAT? IT JUST GOES WHAT? I MEAN IT WOULD ALMOST HAVE TO DUE TO BUDGETARY CONSTRAINTS. 
          THE REST, YEAH. 
          THE, THE, THE REASONS FIREFIGHTERS CALL IN SICK. 
          I CAN'T DO IT AGAIN TODAY. 
          MY TEAM KICKED IN THE LAST THREE SHIFTS. 
          AIN'T GOING TODAY, STAYING HOME OR, UH, I'VE MISSED THE LAST THREE BALL GAMES MY KID HAS IN THE SIX GAME SEASON. 
          AND, UH, BECAUSE I WAS COVERING OVERTIME AND I WAS DOING THIS OR I WAS DOING THIS AND I'VE GOTTA GO TO THAT GAME, GOTTA BE THERE FOR MY KIDS. 
          THE ADDITIONAL DAY OFF OVERS, THE EXPOSURES TO THOSE THINGS AND ALL THESE THINGS ARE BEING CITED AND THE FOLKS WHO HAVE GONE TO THE TWENTY FOUR SEVEN TWO, BUT NOBODY'S QUALIFYING THAT PHONE. 
          SO, UH, THE, THE SOFT TISSUE INJURIES, ALL OF THESE THINGS ADD UP. 
          SO WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU GIVE THAT EXTRA DAY OFF, THAT EXTRA DAY OF RECOVERY, PHYSICAL AND PSYCHOLOGICAL RECOVERY, YOU SEE THE SICK LEAVE GO DOWN, SICK LEAVE GOES DOWN, OVERTIME GOES DOWN. 
          UH, THE 56 50, THE FLSA CYCLE IS 53 HOUR WORK WEEK IN IT'S 212 HOURS WITHIN A 28 DAY CYCLE MAX, OR THE EQUIVALENCY THEREOF, IF YOU USE A SHORTER CYCLE, WE USE A 21 DAY CYCLE. 
          SO OUR HOURS ARE, UM, WHATEVER IS, YEAH, WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS, THAT'S OUR CURRENT OVERTIME THRESHOLD WITH A 42 HOUR WORK WEEK, THEY CAN WORK 11 HOURS THAT WEEK AND NOT CROSS THE THRESHOLD TO REACH INTO OVERTIME. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN WE WOULD PAT ALLISON, BILL, TYLER, JUSTIN, MYSELF, HAVE ALL BEEN HAVING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT, UH, STARTING TO, HAVING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT IF WE COULD FIND A WAY TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, WHAT ARE THE FIREFIGHTERS WILLING TO GIVE UP? WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT WE WOULD EXPECT? AND HOPEFULLY THEY WOULD CONCEDE WOULD NEED TO GO TO THE 28 DAY CYCLE. 
          SO NOW THEY WOULD'VE TO GET 212 HOURS, UH, IN THAT TIMEFRAME. 
          BUT THEY'LL WORK 144 IN THAT SAME TIMEFRAME ON THAT SIGNED SHIFT. 
          SO THERE'S A SHIFT AND A HALF-ISH TYLER BEFORE THEY HIT THE THRESHOLD TO GET INTO THE FFL SA WHICH IS THE HALFTIME. 
          IF YOU LOOK 
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AT OUR BUDGET, OUR FLSA TIME IS 50% OR MORE OF, OF OUR ACTUAL OVERTIME DOLLARS AS WELL. 
          SO THAT FFL, SA DOLLARS THEORETICALLY GOES WAY HOLDING AND A LOT OF THE OVERTIME GOES AWAY WITH IT. 
          AND, AND I'M HEARING THAT THAT IS WHAT THEY'RE EXPERIENCING. 
          THE EAST COAST I HEARD BACK FROM DC BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN ON IT AS LONG AS ANYBODY AND THEY SAID, YEAH, WE'VE GOT YOUR MESSAGE AND WE'D LOVE TO GIVE YOU THAT. 
          WE DON'T KEEP RECORDS 40 YEARS. 
          SO WE'VE BEEN ON THE SCHEDULE FOR THAT LONG, 20 YEARS. 
          AND SO WE DON'T HAVE DATA TO GIVE YOU THREE PEN PUMPS. 
          ALL THEY CAN TELL ME IS WHAT THEY DO TODAY. 
          SO, UM, I'D LIKE TO KNOW THEIR OVERTIME NUMBERS TODAY. 
          THAT WOULD BE, I MEAN EVEN ANY, ANY INFORMATION, ANY DATA WOULD BE HELPFUL SO WE CAN GET OUT OF OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          THAT WOULD JUST SAY THOSE CHIEF SAID THAT WERE JUST FROM IT STRICTLY, YOU KNOW, SINCE I'M THE ACCOUNTANT. 
          MATH, MATH, MATH PERSPECTIVE, MOVING TO THE FOUR WEEK M L'S A CYCLE, THAT EXTRA , THE HALF PORTION OF THE TOP AND A HALF BE EXTREMELY DIFFICULT FOR A FIREMAN ON THE 24 7 2 TO MEET THAT. 
          THAT'S NOT THE ENTIRE THREE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS OVERTIME BUDGET. 
          THAT'S JUST THE HALF PORTION. 
          SO YOU MENTIONED, UM, MAKING ADDITIONAL 85 FIREFIGHTERS. 
          IF WE WENT TO THE 1236 OR THE 10 14, IS THAT 85 FROM WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW? OR 85 OF WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE RIGHT NOW? 85 IS FROM WHAT WE, WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW. 
          SO IF WE WERE, I I I, I WISH WE SHOULD 85 FIREFIGHTERS ASSIGNED TO EVERY SHIFT, WHICH IS WHERE WE ARE NOW. 
          THAT AUTHORIZED, THAT COMES OUT TO SEVEN. 
          I'M SORRY, IT THAT COMES OUT TO LIKE JUST UNDER EIGHT FIREFIGHTERS PER STATION. 
          BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE STAFFED 85, SOME STATIONS ARE STAFFED DIFFERENTLY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHICH ONES HAVE SEVEN OR EIGHT ON STAFF EACH SHIFT? WELL, STATION ONE AND STATION FIVE. 
          YEAH, STATION TWO HAVE MORE PEOPLE ASSIGNED TO THEM THAN THE OTHER STATIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          THERE BE MORE WITH THE NEW BLOCKERS. 
          THE JASON ON THAT, UM, WE'VE ALSO GOT AN ACCOUNT FOR LEAVE TIME. 
          'CAUSE RECENTLY HAVE EIGHT, FIVE PEOPLE ASSIGNED PER SHIFT CURRENTLY BECAUSE OUR MINIMUM STAFFING CURRENTLY IS 62 PEOPLE. 
          SO WE DOING ROUGH MATH, THAT'S 23 PEOPLE. 
          THAT'S PARAMEDIC SCHOOL. 
          THAT'S, UH, FIRE ACADEMY. 
          THAT'S WORKERS' COMP INJURIES, THAT'S LEAVE TIME, VACATION AND HOLIDAY. 
          THAT IS SICK LEAVE TIME AND ALL. 
          SO THAT'S BEING BUILT INTO THAT 85 NUMBER? YES SIR. 
          WE, WE, WE USE THE OVERT STAFF MODEL INTRODUCES YOUR OVERTIME. 
          I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT OUR OVERTIME WOULD LOOK LIKE IF WE USED CONSTANT STAFFING, WHICH IS WHERE YOU HIRE THE NUMBER OF SEATS YOU NEED AND IF SOMEBODY TAKES A VACATION DAY, IT'S OVERTIME TO FILL IT. 
          WE TRY TO BUFFER, WE ALLOW 12 PEOPLE TO SCHEDULE VACATION AND ON HOLIDAY, UH, FOR THE BUFFER THERE. 
          AND THEN THE REST OF THAT FILLS OUT WITH SICK LEAVE WORKER COMP TRAINING, UH, AND SORTED OTHER THINGS THAT COME INTO PLAY THERE BECAUSE I RELI MORE QUESTIONS. 
          I SEE  AND, AND ONE THING ON THAT IS, IS THERE WOULD BE A POTENTIAL THAT THAT NUMBER MAY DECREASE BASED ON, YOU KNOW, AS WE GET INTO THIS INJURIES REGULARLY REDUCED, YOU KNOW, SICK TIME REGULARLY REDUCES WHAT HAVE YOU AND THEN HAVE TO HAVE IT. 
          SO, SO WE MAY EVEN SEE IT DOWN THE ROAD. 
          I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE WOULD, BUT THERE IS THAT POTENTIAL, YOU KNOW, AS, AS WE SEE THE, THE, THE MARKET CHANGE THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THAT THAT LARGE OF OVER STAFF BECAUSE OF THE, THE CHANGES IN THE RECOVERY TIME AND THE WELLNESS OF HELP FIRE. 
          WHAT WOULD THAT NUMBER TYPICALLY MEAN? LIKE, LIKE IN TYPICAL TIME, NOT JUST LIKE IF IT'S STRICTLY YOUR VACATION. 
          WE DO, I ZERO , THE DALLAS COUNTY FIRE CHIEFS RIGHT NOW IS DOING A WHOLE OF AREA DEPARTMENTS ON NUMBER OF SWORN FIREFIGHTERS AND UH, DOLLARS OF OVERTIME COMBINED WITH THEIR FELLOWS SAY AND BUNCH TO, TO START COMPILING THAT INTO A SPREADSHEET AND LOOK AND SEE WHAT THEIR BUDGETED DOLLARS ARE. 
          THE PROBLEM IS THEY LOOK AT BUDGETED DOLLARS AND OUR LOOK PRETTY HEALTHY WHEN WE LOOK AT BUDGETED DOLLARS, RIGHT. 
          WITH OUR ACTUAL DOLLARS. 
          SO, AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S ONE FLAW. 
          WHOEVER PUT THE QUESTION OUT THERE, I WISH 
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THEY WOULDN'T ASKED WHAT YOUR BUDGET DO AND WHAT YOUR ACTUAL RIGHT. 
          SO WE CAN PAY. 
          THEY'RE JUST LOOKING AT THE 26. 
          EVERYBODY'S ALWAYS ASKED THE QUESTION, WHAT IS THE MAGIC NUMBER FOR OVERTIME BUDGETING? AND I EVEN ASK MY BUDGETING EXPERTS AND MY ACCOUNTANTS AND WHAT IS THE MAGIC NUMBER? TELL ME THE MAGIC NUMBER. 
          AND THEY SAID THERE'S NOT ONE THAT IT'S JUST SITUATIONAL EXPERIENTIAL BASED AND OUR EXPERIENCES, WE MADE WAY TOO MUCH OVERTIME. 
          AGAIN, ALREADY TIRED OF HEARING ME SAY IT WITHOUT ADEQUATE RECOVERY. 
          WE'RE GONNA HAVE OVERTIME. 
          WE'RE WHOLE LOT OF THEM. 
          THIS IS JUST, WE ARE AN EXTREMELY RECENT FIRE DEPARTMENT. 
          UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT CALLS PER FIREFIGHTER, LOOK AT UM, EVERYTHING INVOLVED OUTSIDE OF DALLAS AND FORT WORTH. 
          WE ARE, WE ARE GETTING WHOOPED. 
          WE, NOT ME, THEY ARE GETTING WHOOPED, UH, EVERY DAY THAT THEY COME TO WORK AND THEY DO IT FOR SAKE, THE NUMBER OF DAYS AND THEN THEY CAN'T DO IT THAT DAY. 
          THEY'VE GOTTA STAY AT HOME, THEY'VE GOTTA REST THEIR BACK. 
          THEY'VE GOTTA TAKE THEIR BRAIN AND THROW IT INDIVIDUAL JUST FOR, FOR A FEW THINGS. 
          THEY READY TO COME BACK AND BACK AGAIN. 
          AND MS. DUTTON, TO YOUR POINT, WE GOT THE ABSOLUTE BEST. 
          WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE THE ABSOLUTE BEST. 
          WE ARE PROVIDING SERVICE LEVELS HIGHER AND THE OTHER FIRE DEPARTMENT OF DALLAS FOR WORTH METRO AND WE'RE DOING IT FOR A BAR GAME. 
          YOU ARE GONNA MAKE ME COME ACROSS THIS ROOM 'CAUSE NEVER HAVE I QUESTIONED THAT. 
          YOU HAVE NEVER QUESTIONED THAT. 
          YOU'VE ALWAYS MADE THAT POINT. 
          I'M ECHOING YOUR YOUR POINT MA'AM. 
          LIKE YOU MADE A BOX BECAUSE DO IT. 
          WELL I GOT CUSHION ALL THIS MOUTH CARD HERE. 
          UM, BUT IT'S, IT'S A TOUGH JOB. 
          IT WAS A TOUGH JOB WHEN I DID THE JOB AND IT WAS A LOT EASIER BACK THEN. 
          UH, THE PROTOCOL BOOK, NO OFFENSE ADVERTISED, BUT MY PROTOCOL BOOK WAS 32 PAGES LONG. 
          HOW LONG WAS OURS? 300? IT'S NOT THREE, TWO. 
          GOT THE MEDICATION IN THERE. 
          IT'S PROBABLY UNDER 200. 
          OKAY. 
          UNDER 200 WITHOUT THE FORMULA AREA IN THERE. 
          BUT, BUT THAT INCLUDED MY FORMULARY IN THAT 32 PAGES. 
          SO, UM, IT'S, IT'S A LOT DIFFERENT JOB. 
          UH, THE FIRE GROUND BEHAVIOR IS WAY DIFFERENT THAN IT WAS WHEN I WAS DOING THAT JOB. 
          I WAS FIGHTING COTTON AND WOOD WITH A LITTLE BIT OF BLASTING. 
          THEY'RE FIGHTING SOLID GASOLINE WITH A LITTLE BIT OF COTTON AND WOOD. 
          SOMEBODY HAD TAKE CARE OF THE HORSES, RIGHT? SOMEBODY DID HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THE HORSES EVERY NOW AND THEN THEY BURNED UP BACK . 
          UM, IT'S, IT'S A LOT DIFFERENT JOB AND I KNOW WHAT IT DID TO MY BODY. 
          I KNOW WHAT IT DID TO MY FAMILY EXPERIENCE AND I'M NOT GONNA GET REAL DEEP INTO, OR I'M GONNA LOOK LIKE YOU DID LAST MONTH. 
          UH, AND UH, I ADMIRE EVERY ONE OF 'EM SITTING OVER THERE BECAUSE THEY, THEY SHOW UP AS OFTEN AS THEY CAN, BUT WHEN THEY CAN, THEY AIN'T COMING AND I DON'T EXPECT IT IF THEY CAN'T. 
          SO THEY FOUND THAT OVERTIME BUDGET SURVEY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE DOING A LOT BETTER THAN DALLAS. 
          DALLAS SPENT 22, UH, MILLION DOLLARS IN OVERTIME LAST YEAR. 
          UH, BUT UH, WE'RE GOING 22 OR SEVENTH IN IN THE METROPLEX WHEN IT COMES TO HOW MUCH WE SPENT ON OVERTIME. 
          CARLTON ROBBIE. 
          HUH? IS THAT ROBBIE STEAD OR? YEAH, CARLTON. 
          WHY SPENT MORE MONEY IN OVERTIME THAN WE DID? GRAPEVINE RICHARDSON, GRAND PRAIRIE AND I SPENT MORE, MORE MONEY AND OVERTIME, WILEY HAS TRADITIONALLY STAFFED THE CONSTANT STAFF MODEL. 
          THEY HAVE STARTED DOING SOME BUFFER STAFFING, BUT THEY'RE WAY BEHIND ONE. 
          SO THAT WAS THEIR MODEL WAS ONE FIREFIGHTER PER SEAT. 
          SOMEBODY'S OFF THAT DAY, OVERTIME FILL THE SCENE. 
          SO THEY'RE PLAYING CATCH UP. 
          THAT WOULD EXPLAIN WHY, WHY HE WAS HIGHER . 
          UM, SO QUESTION, SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT RIGHT SIDE, UM, AND HOW, HOW DO YOU ANTICIPATE RIGHT SIDE WOULD BENEFIT FIRE VOLUME? YES. 
          I MEAN REALISTICALLY SPEAKING, BECAUSE I WILL SAY THE FIRST THING THAT ANNOYED ME WAS THAT THEY DON'T, UM, THEY'RE NOT 24 HOURS. 
          SO THEY, THEY STOP AT SIX O'CLOCK TWO, WELL, WHATEVER, SIX O'CLOCK, 10 O'CLOCK. 
          THE POINT BEING THAT THEY DON'T WORK IN THOSE OVERNIGHT HOURS, RIGHT? WELL, SO WHILE WE'RE TASKED WITH TALKING ABOUT 
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QUALITY OF SLEEP, IT, IT ANNOYED ME THAT THEY'RE NOT 24 HOURS. 
          SO IT'S THAT BENEFITING THAT ASPECT OF WHAT WE ARE DOING HERE. 
          SO I'M CURIOUS HOW YOU FEEL, UM, RIGHT SIDE, YOU'RE TEACHING MY PRESENTATION FOR NEXT WEEK, SO SORRY. 
          UM, THE, THE, THE DATA FOR GARLAND IS IN 2025 WAS ROUGH NUMBER IS 4,000 EMS CALLS OVERNIGHT JUST EMS LOG. 
          UM, THE TO TO HAVE THEIR EXTRA STAFFING AND ALL OF THEIR PEOPLE IN PLACE OVERNIGHT PROBABLY IS NOT ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE FOR THEM RIGHT NOW, ESPECIALLY IN THE TEXAS AREA. 
          UH, BUT AS MORE PEOPLE COME ON, MORE ITEMS COME UP, IT'S, IT'S GOING TO GROW. 
          UH, CLAYTON DID MAKE MENTION THAT UH, THERE'S A LIKELIHOOD THAT THEY WILL AT SOME POINT IT WILL BECOME FEASIBLE FOR THEM TO DO THAT. 
          AND THEN I'LL LAUNCH OFF INTO IT OVERNIGHT. 
          THE ERS UM, DOC STARTING AT 10:00 PM WALK US THROUGH A, A TYPICAL ER UNTIL SEVEN OR 6:00 AM AS FAR AS, AS FAR AS CENSUS AND STUFF. 
          OH IT'S DEFINITELY DECREASED BECAUSE YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE SLEEPING. 
          UM, THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE SYMPTOMS. THEY'RE SLEEPING UNLESS THEY WAKE UP FROM SYMPTOMS. THAT'S A, AN UNCOMMON SITUATION. 
          I MEAN THERE'S LESS, WHEN HUMANS ARE NOT MOVING AROUND, THERE'S LESS BAD THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN. 
          THAT'S THE EASIEST WAY TO PUT IT. 
          UM, IF THEY'RE NOT ABOUT THEIR SYMPTOMS AND HEY THEY'RE SLEEPING, THEY'RE LESS CHANCE OF COME GET TO THE HOSPITAL. 
          UM, SO THERE'S MULTITUDE OF REASONS, BUT THAT'S KIND OF SIMPLEST WAY TO SEE WHY YOU SEE LESS IN THE ER. 
          THERE'S OTHER FACTORS TOO. 
          YOU KNOW, THERE'S WELL KNOWN THAT THE COWBOYS HAVE A NIGHT GAME. 
          THE FRANCISCOS DOWN, THAT'S ACROSS THE WHOLE METROPLEX. 
          UM, THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER THINGS, BUT WHY IT GOES DOWN AT NIGHT. 
          UM, YEAH, THE NIGHT'S JUST SLOWER. 
          THERE'S ALSO ON THE BODY, SO THERE'S BACK A LARGE MAJORITY OF THE CALLS THAT WE RUN AFTER 10:00 PM RIGHT. 
          SITE BUT NOT DO ANYTHING TO HELP WITH ANYWAY. 
          THE, THE LARGE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE THAT CALL THAT IN THOSE THOSE HOURS YEAH. 
          NEED TO GO TO THE HOSPITAL. 
          YEAH. 
          THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT WAKING UP AT 2:00 AM TO GO TO THE ER FOR MEDICATION REFILL AND THE OTHER PIECE, THE PHARMACIES ARE GOING CLOSE, CARES ARE CLOSED, THE CLINICS, IF YOU WILL, ARE CLOSED AND THE OVERNIGHT HOURS TO THE, THAT'S, THAT'S THEIR PRIMARY FOCUS IS GETTING PEOPLE NOT TO THE ERS BUT TO THE ALTERNATIVE SITES WHENEVER THEIR TREATMENTS AND THEIR CARES THAT ARE A LOT LESS EXPENSIVE THAN WHAT SOME OF THESE OTHER FACILITIES MAY BE. 
          YEAH. 
          EXPENSIVE. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          I'D LET WANT ADD BUT THEY'RE EXPENSIVE. 
          UM, SO THAT'S ANOTHER REASON THAT THEY DON'T OPERATE IN THE OVERNIGHT HOURS. 
          THERE'S NOT A LOT THEY CAN DO FOR THEM IN THE OVERNIGHT HOURS. 
          I'VE GOT A SLIDE FOR THAT. 
          I'LL WAIT. 
          JENNIFER GOT IT TODAY. 
          THERE'S NO COMING. 
          IT'S MAD. 
          ANY MORE QUESTIONS? DISCUSSION? I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE COMMITTEE. 
          UH, NEXT MONTH WE'RE WE WERE PLANNING ON FOCUSING ON 24 72 SCHEDULE, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE COMMITTEE'S GOOD WITH BAD AND THE COST OF JUST A 24 72 NOT LOOKING AT ANY OF THESE OTHER SCHEDULES THAT WILL RESOLVE. 
          I AGREE. 
          I'M FINE WITH THAT. 
          THEY'LL REQUIRE THE SAME AMOUNT OF ADDITIONAL FIREFIGHTERS, SO I THINK IT WOULD PROBABLY BE A WASH MAYBE. 
          NO, I MEAN YOU MIGHT AS WELL THROW THE 12 IN IN THERE JUST AS A COMPARISON. 
          12, 12 36. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          NOT THAT, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY THAT'S NOT FEASIBLE BUT AS A DATA POINT IT'S STILL 42 HOUR WORK WEEK. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WELL THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING. 
          LIKE ITS SAYING, SO I GUESS I SHOULD PHRASE THAT DIFFERENT. 
          WE'RE ONLY LOOKING AT 42 HOUR WORK WEEK 24 7 2. 
          WE ALREADY KNOW WHAT A 56 HOUR WORK WEEK COSTS. 
          WE'VE GOT A LOT OF EXPERIENCE WITH THAT MODEL. 
          UM, EVEN IF IT WERE THE OTHER MODELS THAT GO WITH IT, IT'S STILL 56 HOUR WORK WEEK. 
          SO IF Y'ALL ARE COMFORTABLE, I WOULD PREFER WE JUST LOOK NEXT MONTH, SPEND OUR TIME LOOKING AT COST MODELS OF THE BANK. 
          42 HOUR WORK WEEK. 
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YES. 
          OKAY. 
          WILL DO. 
          ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS, QUESTIONS? OKAY, WE, IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER BUSINESS, WE HAVE, WE HAVE ANOTHER MEETING AT, UH, MARCH 11. 
          OUR NEXT ONE, FINANCIAL FEASIBILITY AND, UH, WE LOOK FORWARD TO THAT. 
          WE NO FURTHER BUSINESS ADJOURN.
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