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FEBRUARY 23RD MEETING OF THE PLAN COMMISSION. IT IS OUR CUSTOM. WE, COMMISSIONER, START A MEETING WITH A PRAYER AND A PLEDGE. YOU'RE INVITED TO JOIN US. WHETHER YOU DO OR NOT. IN NO WAY AFFECTS THE DECISIONS OF THIS COMMISSION OR YOUR RIGHTS IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION.
COMMISSIONER PARISH TONIGHT WILL BE LEADING US IN PRAYER AND PLEDGE. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN ROBERTS. LET'S PLEASE BOW OUR HEADS AS WE PREPARE OUR HEARTS AND MINDS TO PRAY. IF YOU SO DECIDE. HEAVENLY FATHER, WE COME BEFORE YOU WITH GRATITUDE FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU FOR THE RESPONSIBILITY ENTRUSTED TO THIS CITY PLANNING COMMISSION, AND FOR THE CITIZENS WHO HAVE GATHERED HERE TONIGHT WITH SHARED INTEREST IN THE FUTURE OF OUR CITY. WE ASK FOR YOUR WISDOM AS WE CONSIDER MATTERS THAT AFFECT NEIGHBORHOODS, BUSINESSES, FAMILIES, AND FUTURE GENERATIONS. GRANT US CLARITY OF THOUGHT, FAIRNESS AND JUDGMENT, PATIENCE AN DISCUSSION IN UNITY AND PURPOSE. HELP US TO LISTEN CAREFULLY, SPEAK RESPECTFULLY, AND ACT WITH INTEGRITY. MAY THE WORK DONE HERE TONIGHT CONTRIBUTE TO RESPONSIBLE, GROWTH WISE STEWARDSHIP OF RESOURCES, SAFE AND VIBRANT NEIGHBORHOODS, AND OPPORTUNITIES THAT BENEFIT ALL RESIDENTS. WE ALSO LIFT UP OUR FIRST RESPONDERS. WE ASK THIS ALL THESE THINGS IN YOUR NAME. AMEN. PLEASE JOIN ME IN RECITING THE PLEDGE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. GOOD EVENING, AND AGAIN, WELCOME TO OUR MEETING. WELL, WE'RE WE'RE WHERE WE WERE ONCE EIGHT. WE'RE NOW NINE AGAIN. WE HAVE A NEW COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER MIRANDA FROM DISTRICT SEVEN.
WELCOME ABOARD. IF YOU WANT TO TAKE A HALF AN HOUR OR SO AND GIVE US A OR ANYTHING. YEAH.
OKAY, GOOD. NOPE. OKAY. ALRIGHTY. ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK TONIGHT? WE'VE GOT THESE LITTLE SPEAKER CARDS. IF YOU'LL FILL ONE OUT, HAND IT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. SECRETARY.
WE CAN CALL YOU UP. AND ANYBODY COMING TO SPEAK, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE MICROPHONE. WE NEED THAT FOR OUR RECORDS. APPLICANTS WILL BE GIVEN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE. OTHER SPEAKERS, WE ALLOW THREE. YOU'RE SPEAKING FOR A GROUP. SAY, LIKE A HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION. WE DEFINITELY WILL ALLOW MORE. AND AFTER ALL THAT, THE APPLICANT CAN COME BACK UP AND RESPOND TO ANY COMMENTS AS NECESSARY. AGAIN, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME
[a. February 9, 2026 Plan Commission Minutes]
AND ADDRESS TO THE MICROPHONE. GOT A SHORT AGENDA TONIGHT, BUT WE WILL START WITH ITEM ONE, A APPROVAL OF THE FEBRUARY 9TH, 2026 LAND COMMISSION MINUTES. I SEE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER PARRIS, AND IT LOOKS LIKE COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER ABEL AND SECOND. GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER PARRIS. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE FEBRUARY 9TH, 2026 PLANNING COMMISSION. MINUTES. THERE'S A SECOND. SECOND. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER.SECOND, BY COMMISSIONER ABLE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. MOTION IS TO APPROVE. AND THAT PASSES
[a. Z 25-42 Maria Ramirez (District 5)]
UNANIMOUSLY. NEXT ITEM, PUBLIC HEARING ITEM TWO A HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER THE APPLICATION OF MARIA RAMIREZ. REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A PLAN. DEVELOPMENT TO ALLOW FOR A RECEPTION FACILITY. LARGE SCALE USE AND TO A SPECIFIC USE PROVISION TO ALLOW FOR RECEPTION FACILITY, LARGE SCALE USE AND A CONCEPT PLAN FOR RECEPTION FACILITY LARGE SCALE USE. THE SITE IS LOCATED AT 219 WEST KINGSLEY ROAD. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A LARGE SCALE RECEPTION FACILITY AT THE PROPERTY ADDRESSES 219 WEST KINGSLEY ROAD. THE APPLICANT IS MARIA RAMIREZ, AND THE ENTIRE SITE IS ABOUT 11.6 ACRES IN SIZE. THE BASE ZONING DISTRICT OR THE ZONING DISTRICT IS COMMUNITY RETAIL, AND IT REQUIRES A SPECIFIC USE PROVISION FOR A LARGE SCALE RECEPTION FACILITY. AND THIS IS THE SITE. IT'S LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF WEST KINGSLEY AND SOUTH FIRST STREET, AND THIS WILL BE RELEVANT TO THE FOLLOWING POINTS OF THE CASE. THIS IS A MULTIFAMILY TO THE NORTH, AND THIS IS A SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION TO THE WEST.THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IDENTIFIES THIS AS COMPACT NEIGHBORHOODS. COMPACT IGHBORHOODS PROVIDE AREAS FOR MODERATE INCREASES IN RESIDENTIAL DENSITY, INCLUDING SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED AND SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOUSING. IT EXPANDS HOUSING OPTIONS THROUGH INFILL AND REDEVELOPMENT WHILE CONTINUING WALKABLE DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS.
THESE AREAS PROVIDE TRANSITIONS BETWEEN TRADITIONAL RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS AND HIGHER
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DENSITY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS AND NONRESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS.THESE AREAS ACCOMMODATE USES SUCH AS CONVENIENCE, RETAIL GOODS AND SERVICES, OFFICE SPACE, AND PUBLIC SERVICES. THE ARCHITECTURE, THE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER AND SCALE OF THESE AREAS ARE COMPATIBLE OR TYPICALLY COMPATIBLE WITH ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS, AND THESE ARE PHOTOS OF THE SITE. THIS IS A VIEW OF THE SUITE WITHIN THE SHOPPING CENTER. THIS IS A VIEW OF THE TWO SHOPPING CENTER STRUCTURES, BECAUSE THIS SITE ACTUALLY HAS MULTIPLE SHOPPING CENTERS WITHIN IT OR SHOPPING STRUCTURES WITHIN IT. THIS IS VIEW OF THE THIRD SMALLER SHOPPING CENTER BUILDING. AND THEN THIS IS VIEW OF THE PROPERTY LOOKING WEST ON WEST KINGSTON ROAD. THIS IS THE CONCEPT PLAN. THIS IS THE SUBJECT SUITE 322. AND THIS IS THE ENTIRE SITE. THIS IS THE PARKING. THERE IS SUFFICIENT PARKING FOR THE SITE. EVEN IF THIS SUITE WERE TO GO IN, THE USE WERE TO GO IN THIS WEEK. A COUPLE OF DETAILS. SO AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THIS USE DOES REQUIRE A SPECIFIC USE PROVISION BECAUSE IT IS A LARGE SCALE. IF IT WAS A SMALL SCALE, IT WOULD BE PERMITTED BY RIGHT.
THEY ARE REQUESTING A PD BECAUSE IN 2013 THERE WAS AN SCP THAT WAS APPROVED FOR RECEPTION FACILITY, BUT AS OF THAT TIME THERE WAS NOT A REQUIREMENT FOR THE DISTANCE SEPARATION BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AND A LARGE SCALE RECEPTION FACILITY. SINCE THEN, IT HAS BEEN IMPLEMENTED OR PUT IN TO THE GDC. SO WHICH IS WHY THERE WAS IT WAS PERMITTED AT THAT TIME. THE PD, WHAT IT WOULD DO IS TO ALLOW THEM TO OPERATE LESS THAN 500FT FROM BOTH THE MULTIFAMILY TO THE NORTH AND TO THE RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION TO THE WEST. THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE PD. THE REQUESTED HOURS OF OPERATION ARE FROM 10 A.M. TO 6 P.M. MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, AND FROM 10 A.M. TO 1 A.M. FROM FRIDAY THROUGH SUNDAY. AS MENTIONED EARLIER, THE PARKING IS SUFFICIENT IF THIS USE WERE TO BE PERMITTED AND THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING THAT IS REQUIRED FOR THIS SITE. SO IF THEY WERE, CITY COUNCIL WERE TO APPROVE THIS, THEY COULD GO AND GET THEIR COE WITHOUT HAVING TO BE REQUIRED TO PUT ANY LANDSCAPING. BUT STAFF STILL RECOMMENDS THAT THERE STILL BE SOME LANDSCAPING IF PLAN COMMISSION SEES WANTS TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL, THAT THERE SHOULD BE SOME SORT OF LANDSCAPING INSTALLED ALONG THE WEST BOUNDARY OF THE SITE ALONG WEST KINGSLEY ON THIS SITE, AND THAT THE PARKING BE RESTRIPED.
STAFF WOULD ALSO RECOMMEND IF THERE IS, IF THIS IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL, THAT ONLY ONE LARGE RECEPTION FACILITY BE PERMITTED WITHIN THIS PD. IF THIS WERE TO BE APPROVED. SO THE APPLICANT REQUESTS AN SCP FOR TEN YEARS, AND THE SCP POLICY GUIDELINES THAT WERE ADOPTING IS GOING TO BE 5 TO 8 YEARS FOR SCP'S THAT DO NOT REQUIRE ANY SITE IMPROVEMENT. SO STAFF DOES RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THIS REQUEST. JUST BECAUSE IT IS THE PROXIMITY TO THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. I DID MENTION EARLIER, BUT THERE WERE THERE HAVE BEEN TWO NOISE COMPLAINTS FROM SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS. SO THERE THERE'S A POSSIBILITY TO GET FOR REDEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE AND TO GET A USE THAT WOULD NOT CAUSE ANY SORT OF NOISE OR NUISANCE TO THE SURROUNDING AREAS. BUT IF PLANNING COMMISSION DOES SUPPORT THE REQUEST, WE STAFF DOES DOES STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT LANDSCAPING BE INSTALLED ON SITE. THE PARKING BE RESTRIPED AND THAT THE THE PD RESTRICT THIS SITE FOR ONLY ONE LARGE RECEPTION FACILITY. WE SENT OUT 202 LETTERS AND THERE WAS ONE LETTER IN OPPOSITION TO THE REQUEST. AND IT KIND OF ECHOED THE WHAT I KIND OF MENTIONED ABOUT THE NOISE COMPLAINTS AND MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT STREET RACING ON THERE, BUT IT WAS MAINLY ABOUT THE NOISE COMPLAINTS AND THE DISRUPTION.
I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL. COMMISSIONER CORNELIUS.
THANK YOU. EMMA, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, CONSIDERING THERE WERE NOISE COMPLAINTS BEFORE, HOW ARE THOSE HANDLED? DO YOU KNOW? YEAH. SO I TALKED WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH DIRECTOR AND SHE MENTIONED THAT SPECIFICALLY FOR THOSE TWO, WHAT HAPPENS IS BECAUSE THEY
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CAN'T ACTUALLY THEY CAN GO OUOUT THERE AND THEN SAY, HEY, WE'VE RECEIVED NOISE COMPLAINTS. BUT JUST BECAUSE EACH DAY THERE'S OR EACH, IT COULD BE A THREE HOUR TIME PERIOD THAT THE EVENT HAPPENS EACH TIME SOMEONE GOES IN THERE. THE SETUP FOR THE EQUIPMENT IS DIFFERENT, THE SOUND EQUIPMENT IS DIFFERENT. SO IT'S DIFFICULT TO KIND OF MONITOR BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE A NOISE METER WHERE THEY CAN GO TO THE PROPERTY LINE OF THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT AND MEASURE THE DBA. THAT'S THE AMOUNT OF NOISE THAT COMES FROM THE PROPERTY AND KIND OF TELL THEM, HEY, THIS IS THIS IS THE MAX THAT WE'RE GETTING LIKE 65 DBA. BUT IT'S DIFFICULT BECAUSE EACH TIME SOMEONE GOES IN THERE, THE EQUIPMENT SET UP CAN BE DIFFERENT, THE SPEAKERS CAN BE DIFFERENT. SO THEY GO OUT THERE AND IT'S REALLY ABOUT TALKING WITH THE OWNER AND SAYING, HEY, YOU KNOW, YOU ALL NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE NOISE IS KEPT AT A REASONABLE LEVEL. OKAY. MY, MY NEXT QUESTION IS CONSIDERING STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, IS THE APPLICANT AWARE OF THAT AND ARE THEY OKAY WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ADJUSTMENTS? IF IF WE APPROVE WOULD THEY BE OPEN TO THAT? SO FROM THE DAY ONE, FROM THE FIRST MEETING, WE'VE TOLD THEM, HEY, IT'S NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CDC REQUIREMENTS. YOU'RE BASICALLY GOING UP UP YOUR UPHILL BATTLE.BUT IF PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL WERE TO APPROVE THIS, WE WOULD RECOMMEND THESE SITE IMPROVEMENTS TO ENHANCE THE SITE. AND IT'S NOT JUST HERE'S AN SCP FOR THE USE.
YOU'RE ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING TO IMPROVE THE SITE. SO IF THEY'RE IMMUTABLE OR NOT, I'M NOT. THEY WERE JUST KIND OF TAKING IT IN. I'M NOT SURE IF THEY'RE OKAY WITH IT, BUT THEY'RE HERE TO SPEAK ON. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER JENKINS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. GOOD EVENING MA'AM, A COUPLE QUESTIONS. I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE NOISE COMPLAINT ISSUE. WHEN WERE THOSE MADE? 2022 AND 2023. SO SINCE 2023, WHEN THE OPERATION OF THE BUSINESS CEASED AND THE SCP EXPIRED, OR THE THE USE EXPIRED, HAVE THERE BEEN WHAT HAVE THEY BEEN USING THE PROPERTY AS? SO FROM THE LAST I HEARD IT WAS FOR SOME TIME. IT WAS STILL AN OPERATION OF A RECEPTION FACILITY, BUT THE APPLICANT CAN GIVE MORE INFORMATION ON WHAT THEY'VE BEEN USING THIS WEEK. OKAY, THE TWO COMPLAINTS THAT WERE RECEIVED IN 2022, 2023, IS IT THAT OUR SYSTEM DOESN'T PICK ANYTHING UP BEYOND THAT TIME? THAT I KNOW IT SEEMS LIKE IT WAS JUST YESTERDAY, BUT IT IS, YOU KNOW, FOR 4 TO 5 YEARS AGO FOR THIS PARTICULAR SUITE, THOSE ARE THE ONLY COMPLAINTS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED. OKAY. LET'S TALK ABOUT THE LANDSCAPING SUGGESTIONS, THE SITE IMPROVEMENT. ARE THOSE SPECIFIC TO THE AREA SURROUNDING THE PROPOSED USE, OR ARE THEY FOR THE ENTIRETY OF THE MULTI-TENANT BUILDING THERE? ALONG IT'S ALONG WEST KINGSLEY. IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE OFF OF SOUTH FIRST, THERE'S SOME STRUCTURES THERE THAT WOULD THEY COULD DO IT, BUT IT WOULD KIND OF GO IN AND OUT. IT'S POSSIBLE TO STILL PUT LANDSCAPING IN THERE, BUT THE REASON THAT STAFF RECOMMENDED ALONG WEST KING ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF WEST KINGSLEY, BECAUSE THERE'S SUFFICIENT SPACE TO PUT IT THERE. THERE NO FIRE LANES, THERE'S NO STRUCTURES. SO IT COULD BE A CONTINUOUS ROW. AND PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL CAN ALWAYS REQUEST FOR MORE LIKE PARKING ISLANDS WITHIN THE SITE. THESE ARE JUST KIND OF LIKE BASIC REQUIREMENTS THAT STAFF RECOMMENDED. NO THANK YOU. I AM TRYING TO IN RELATION TO THE MF1 AND THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY OUTSIDE OF THE CR BEHIND SOUTH FIFTH, CONSIDER NOISE BUFFERING TOOLS THAT CAN BE IMPLEMENTED TO TO HELP ADDRESS THAT ISSUE, BUT I WILL. I'VE GOT QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. I CAN GO THERE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER DUCKWORTH. YES.
WOULD YOU WOULD YOU GO THROUGH WHAT'S THE CURRENT ZONING FOR THIS PROPERTY COMMUNITY RETAIL AND AND THIS WOULD THIS WOULD MAKE THE ENTIRE. CENTER PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. YES, SIR. THIS IS APPROVED. SO THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE THE OWNER OF THAT, OF THAT ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT, IF IT'S OWNED BY ONE PERSON OR THAT STRIPPED TO TO DO THE RESTRIPING, I WOULD ASSUME CORRECT. OKAY. SO WE HAVEN'T WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE WITH THE OWNER OF THE, OF THE CENTER. WE DID. AND THEN LIKE I MENTIONED, WE TOLD HIM LIKE, HEY, THIS IS GOING TO BE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS. AND THEN IT WAS HE ASKED IF IT WAS REQUIRED. AND WE SAID THAT IT'S GOING TO BE RECOMMENDED, HIGHLY RECOMMENDED, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT EVEN MEETING THE MINIMUM DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS TO RESIDENTIAL TO A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. SO KIND OF UP TO HIM. ALSO, IN ONE OF THE PHOTOS YOU SHOWED THERE, IT HAD A FOR LEASE SIGN ON THE FRONT OF IT.
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IS THAT IS IT STILL CURRENTLY IN THAT STATE? THE PIC THIS IS GOING TO BE THE MOST RECENT PICTURE THAT WE HAVE ON THERE BECAUSE YOU HAD MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT THEY WERE OPERATING, BUT IT HAS A FOR LEASE SIGN IN FRONT OF IT NOW. SO I WAS WONDERING IF THERE.YEAH, THIS IS FROM THIS YEAR 2026 OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'VE GOT A COUPLE TECHNICAL ONES. COMMISSIONER JENKINS, GO FORWARD. SORRY. THANK YOU. MR. I WAS GOING TO ASK. HOURS OF OPERATION AS WELL. DO WE KNOW WHAT THE PREVIOUS. OPERATION HOURS WERE? IT WAS FROM 7 P.M. TO 1 A.M. FRIDAY THROUGH SUNDAY. SO WEEKEND OPERATION ONLY THE WEEKEND. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU CHAIR. THANK YOU. FIRST ONE BEING IF THIS WERE IF THIS PD WERE APPROVED AS IS THAT WOULD ALLOW OTHERS TO COME IN AND REQUEST LARGE SCALE RECEPTION CENTERS THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE. NO THERE'S ONLY SO OUR RECOMMENDATION IS GOING TO BE THAT IT'S GOING TO BE LIMITED TO ONE PD. ANOTHER OBSERVATION IS THE REQUIREMENTS FOR PARKING AND LANDSCAPING. I THINK RIGHT NOW THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN ARE TIED TO THE SP FOR THAT FACILITY. WOULD WE BE BETTER OFF TYING IT TO THE PD SO THAT THE LANDOWNER HIMSELF WOULD HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT BEYOND ANY BEYOND THIS USE? YES WE CAN. OKAY, GOOD. SO ALL RIGHT. AND AND SO AT THAT POINT, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING JUST LONG. KINGSLEY. WE COULD RECOMMEND ALONG THE OTHER ROAD TOO. AND WE DO WANT TO CLARIFY OUR RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL.
EXACTLY. IF IT GOES THAT WAY. CORRECT. YEAH. SINCE BOTH INSTRUMENTS ARE INSTRUMENTS WHICH WE CAN PUT CONDITIONS, I THINK THEY MIGHT. IF IT OCCURS, WE BETTER OFF IN THE PD. OKAY.
ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONER JENKINS. SORRY. THANK YOU, MISTER CHAIR. QUESTION FOR STAFF. COULD WE THE COMMISSION MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT IMPACTS THE ENTIRETY OF THE PARCEL? OR IS TONIGHT'S RECOMMENDATION ONLY FOR THE TENANT SPACE? NO, IT'S FOR THE ENTIRETY OF THE PARCEL.
THAT'S HOW WE HAVE NOTIFIED THE PD. OPENED IT UP TO THE ENTIRE PARCEL. WE OFTEN SEE PDS FOR USES EXCLUSIVELY IN THE LEASE SPACE, BUT THIS ONE COVERS THE WHOLE. SO WE HAVE THAT IF THIS GOES FORWARD. THE REASON IT WAS INCLUDED AS A PD WAS BECAUSE THE SP PROCESS DOES NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO WAIVE THEM FROM THE DISTANCE REQUIREMENT THAT THEY HAVE FROM RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. THAT'S WHY THE ENTIRE PROPERTY HAD TO COME IN FOR PD REQUEST. NO THANK YOU. IT'S THE THE THE ZONING FILE ITSELF IS TITLED 219 WEST KINGSLEY ROAD, SUITE 232. AND SO BECAUSE OF THAT DISCREPANCY, I WASN'T CERTAIN WHETHER IT IS THAT ONE'S FOR THE SP ONLY. BUT SO THERE'S A PD AND AN SP REQUEST WITH THIS APPLICATION. THERE ARE TWO SEPARATE ITEMS IN THE ADVERTISEMENT, SO A MOTION WOULD HAVE TO INCLUDE BOTH ITEMS. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.
KEPT YOU A LITTLE WHILE. SORRY ABOUT THAT. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? HERE TO COME ON DOWN. ARE YOU NORMAN? NORMAN HELFENSTEIN. WAS THAT SOMEBODY ELSE? NO, IT'S NOT NORMAN. I COULDN'T SEE BACK THERE. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS MARIA RAMIREZ. MY ENGLISH IS NOT SO GOOD. SO MY DAUGHTER CAN SEND ME. IT'S FINE. WHATEVER IT TAKES. TAKE YOUR TIME. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS STEPHANIE RAMIREZ, AND I'LL BE SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF MY MOTHER. YOU WANT TO TELL US ANYTHING? WE ARE TRYING TO. WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE PERMITS TO BE ABLE TO REOPEN THE BALLROOM. LARGE RECEPTION. IT WAS. AS FAR AS WE KNOW, IT WAS OPEN FOR LIKE 15 YEARS. EVEN BEFORE THAT, WE WOULD BE RENTING IT AS NEW RENTERS. WE HAD NO CORRELATION BEFORE THIS. THE WE HEARD THAT THERE WERE NOISE COMPLAINTS WHEN WE WERE WALKING AROUND ASKING NEARBY NEIGHBORS FOR ANY LIKE PROBLEMS THAT THEY MAY HAVE CAUSED. A LOT OF THEM DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT THERE WAS A BALLROOM RIGHT BEHIND THEM. THERE WERE TWO OF THEM THAT DID COMPLAIN, AND THEY SAID THAT THEY HAD HAD ISSUES IN THE PAST WITH THE PARTIES BEING HELD DOWN WAY TOO LONG AFTER THE 1 P.M. CUTOFF OR 1 A.M. CUTOFF. I'M SORRY. SO WE WOULD MAKE SURE THAT WOULDN'T HAPPEN.
OBVIOUSLY, AFTER A CERTAIN TIME WHEN IT GETS AT THE 12:00, 1230, WE WOULD LOWER DOWN THE VOLUME TO RESPECT THE NEARBY NEIGHBORS. SO. TOWARDS THE END OF THE PREVIOUS RENTERS, BECAUSE AS
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FAR AS WE KNOW, THE RENTERS, WHEN WE STARTED TRYING TO APPLY FOR OUR PERMITS, WE HEARD THAT THE PREVIOUS RENTERS HAD BEEN FUNCTIONING WITH THEIR EXPIRED PERMITS. SO WHEN WHEN WE STARTED WORKING WITH THEM WAS LIKE, I THINK 2025, RIGHT BEFORE THEY LEFT, THEY WE HAD NO COMPLAINTS. ONCE WE WERE WORKING WITH THEM IN 2025, THERE WERE NO NOISE COMPLAINTS.POLICE NEVER CAME BY. IT WAS, YOU KNOW, WE WERE TRYING TO BE RESPECTFUL TO NEARBY NEIGHBORHOODS. OBVIOUSLY IT'S A PARTY. ALWAYS MAKE SURE THE DOORS WERE CLOSED. SO NONE OF THAT EXCESS NOISE WAS LEAVING THE PREMISES. AND THE EVENTS THAT WERE HELD WERE ALSO FAMILY ORIENTED. OKAY. AND DO YOU NEED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? WELL, GOT THE NAMES. NEED THE ADDRESS NOW. THANK YOU FOR HER ADDRESS IS 1457 ALTA MESA COURT, MESQUITE, TEXAS 75150 AND MINUS FOUR 504 HARVEY DRIVE, MESQUITE, TEXAS 75150. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER JENKINS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING DOWN AND FOR THE APPLICATION QUESTIONS FOR YOU. YES. YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU HAD WORKED WITH THE PRIOR TENANT FOR AND BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE THERE, HOURS OF OPERATION WERE LIMITED TO THE WEEKEND. SO MY QUESTION IS WHAT INTERESTS WHAT INTEREST IS, IS AS THE QUESTION CORRECTLY, WOULD YOU BE AMENABLE OR AGREEABLE TO REQUEST THAT THE BUSINESSES ONLY OPERATING DURING THE WEEKENDS SO AS NOT TO DISTURB THE THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY DURING THE WORK WEEK? BUT I'M NOT. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? I HAVE A FEW MORE SPEAKERS HERE, BUT AFTER THEY SPEAK, IF YOU WANT TO COME BACK UP AND ADDRESS ANYTHING, WE WILL LET YOU. THANK YOU. OH, COMMISSIONER MIRANDA. THANK YOU, CHAIR ROBERTS. THAT IS PRETTY LOUD. HOLD ON. LET ME BRING THAT DOWN. SORRY. SO, TRYING TO LEARN THIS. YEAH. QUESTION I HAVE TO THE APPLICANT IS IT SOUNDED LIKE Y'ALL HAVE BEEN HAVING SOME LIKE AN OPERATION. RIGHT. YOU MENTIONED YOU HAD SOME FAMILY ORIENTED EVENTS.
WHAT WHAT WERE WHAT WERE THOSE KINDS OF EVENTS LIKE? WHAT WAS THE THE TYPE OF EVENT LIKE QUINCEANERAS COMING OF AGE PARTIES, BABY SHOWERS, BAPTISMS, WEDDINGS, FAMILY ORIENTED EVENTS? WHEN WAS THEHE LAST BIG EVENT? YOU KNOW? AND MARCH OF 2025, I BELIEVE. OKAY. AND THEN I'M ASSUMING Y'ALL HAVE BEEN MY NEXT QUESTION. Y'ALL WERE MADE AWARE OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, LIKE WITH THE LANDSCAPING, THE PARKING. YES. YEAH. AND WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS? WE AGREE. OKAY. WE'RE ALL FOR IT. IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO TO HELP, THEN WE'LL WE'LL DO OUR BEST TO MAKE SURE IT COMPLIES. OKAY. MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER PEREZ. MY QUESTION JUST JUST ANSWERED. OKAY. THANK YOU. A OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. NORMAN HOFFENSTEIN. NORMAN HOFFENSTEIN, 1131 ROCKINGHAM DRIVE, SUITE 128. RICHARDSON, TEXAS. 75080.
I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE LANDLORD, HOPKINSON PROPERTIES INC. I'M THE PRESIDENT. I'M JUST HERE TO BE HERE IN SUPPORT OF OUR CURRENT TENNIS SHOES. ONE OF OUR CURRENT TENANTS IN THE SHOPPING CENTER. AND I'VE BEEN GETTING SO MANY PHONE CALLS BECAUSE WE HAVE A SIGN.
AND WE ALSO AND WE ALSO HAVE STILL THE OLD SIGN FROM THE PREVIOUS TENANT. AND SO WE'RE GETTING PHONE CALLS AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK. IT SEEMS LIKE SOMEONE'S WANTING TO BASICALLY
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BEEN TELLING PEOPLE FOR THE LAST NUMBER OF MONTHS. I'M WORKING WITH ONE OF OUR CURRENT TENANTS ABOUT GETTING APPROVAL FOR TO OPEN UP A BALLROOM. SO AGAIN, THIS SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF INTEREST IN THE COMMUNITY FOR FOR TO RENT SUCH A SPACE. AND WE'VE HAD, WE'VE I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE OWNED THE PROPERTY, I THINK SINCE 2001, ALMOST 25 YEARS. AND I THINK WE'VE HAD A BALLROOM THERE SINCE, I THINK AROUND 2009. SO IT'S BEEN THERE QUITE A LONG TIME AND WE REALLY HAVEN'T HAD ANY MAJOR ISSUES. I MEAN, A COUPLE OF TIMES MAYBE THERE WAS SOME NOISE FROM NEXT DOOR. THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR COMPLAID. BUT WE, WE, WE SPOKE TO THE TO THE, TO THE PREVIOUS TENANT AND TOLD THEM THEY NEED TO LOWER THE THE LOWER THE VOLUME.OTHERWISE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO KICK THEM OUT. I MEAN, THEY HAVE A DUTY IN THE LEASE BASICALLY NOT TO CREATE SO MUCH BE A NUISANCE TO, TO TO THE OTHER TENANTS. SO AGAIN, I'M JUST HERE TO SUPPORT OUR TENANT AND WE THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD A GOOD FIT. AGAIN, THERE AREN'T THAT MANY. THERE AREN'T THAT MANY RETAIL ESTABLISHMENTS THESE DAYS THAT NEED CLOSE TO 6000FTā S. AND THIS IS, I THINK,A PERFECT USE FOR THIS SPACE. ANY QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER ABEL, THEN COMMISSIONER JENKINS, THANK YOU. CAN YOU TELL ME THE BACK OF THESE BUILDINGS? ARE THEY CONCRETE? STONE? WHAT? WHAT ACTUALLY ABUTS TO THE SINGLE FAMILY IN THE BACK? IS ITIKE A ARE YOU TALKING ALL I CAN, ALL I CAN, ALL I'M REALLY, REALLY FAMILIAR WITH IS THE MULTIFAMILY, THE APARTMENT COMPLEX. I BELIEVE THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IS THE IS THE I DON'T KNOW, I'M I'M MORE ASKING ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION OF THESE. IS IT CONCRETE WALLS IN THE BACK. IS IT. I THINK IT'S I THINK I THINK THE BRICK. I'M NOT REALLY I'M NOT THAT NOT THAT KNOWLEDGEABLE. I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND SEE IT MYSELF. I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THE. I'M JUST. I'M THINKING FOR THE NOISE. YEAH. BRICK, ACTUALLY. BRICK OR CONCRETE. BUT IF IT'S.
I BELIEVE THAT, I BELIEVE IT IS. MAYBE THE CITY KNOWS BETTER THAN I DO, I DON'T. DO WE HAVE ANYTHING ON STAFF OR DO WE? I TRY GOOGLE EARTH, BUT I DON'T GET CELL PHONE RECEPTION.
TYPICAL CONSTRUCTIONS ON THESE WERE PROBABLY CMU BLOCK, POSSIBLY TILT UP. I THINK IT WAS BEFORE THE THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING. SO I THINK IT'D BE 8 OR 12 INCH CMU. SORRY, THAT'S THE ONLY MONKEY WRENCH I HAD. YEAH. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING GOING DOWN THE ALLEY.
IS BRINGING IT UP ON THE SCREEN, BUT I DON'T SEE ANYTHING THAT'S. THERE WE GO. YEAH, YEAH, JUST DROP IT DOWN THERE. YEAH. SO WE'VE GOT A CONCRETE WALL, A SHORT ONE. CAN YOU TURN? OKAY, SO IT'S BRICK. YOU CAN SEE IT UP AT THE TOP RIGHT HAND CORNER HERE. YEP. PROBABLY CMU WITH A BRICK VENEER. NOT THAT I'VE DESIGNED ANY OF THOSE. NO. OF COURSE. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER JENKINS, I TAKE IT THAT WAS IT, SIR? YES, YES. ALRIGHTY. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. GOOD EVENING, SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU'VE HAD A NUMBER OF SOLICITATIONS FOR THE LOCATION ROUGHLY ONCE A WEEK OR SO. CAN YOU DIVULGE GENERALLY WHAT TYPES OF SOLICITATIONS YOU'RE RECEIVING AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY WOULD BE PERMITTED BY.
RIGHT? OH, I WAS JUST GETTING PHONE CALLS BECAUSE BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE THAT STILL SAYS THE BALLROOM AND FOR LEASE. I GET CALLS FROM PEOPLE WHO WANT TO LEASE THE SPACE FOR AN EVENT, YOU KNOW? SO SO I'M SORRY. I'M NOT I'M NOT IN THE BUSINESS. I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND A TENANT TO BE THERE FOR AT LEAST A YEAR OR LONGER TO TO HAVE AN EVENT CENTER. AND SO I TELL THEM I'M, YOU KNOW, I GO TO THE, THE SAME DISCUSSION THAT I'M ALREADY WORKING WITH AN EXISTING TENANT WHO'S HOPING TO GET APPROVAL FROM THE CITY TO PUT IN A BALLROOM. SO BUT AGAIN, THERE'S JUST A LOT OF PHONE CALLS FROM PEOPLE, FROM THE PUBLIC WANTING TO, TO RENT SPACE FOR THIS TYPE OF USE. YES. YES, SIR, YES, SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I SEE NO OTHER
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QUESTIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCUC. DONNA BAIRD. HI. HI. DONNA BAIRD, 3109 MEDINA DRIVE, GARLAND, TEXAS, 75 041. THE LETTER THAT SHE TALKED ABOUT RECEIVING TWO RESPONSES TO. I GOT THAT IN OUR MAILBOX 4 OR 5 DAYS AGO, SO I'M NOT SURE IF EVERYONE HAD ENOUGH TIME TO RESPOND TO THE LETTER. AND AS FAR AS TWO NOISE COMPLAINTS, THAT CERTAINLY DOESN'T INCLUDE MY CALLS TO THE NON-EMERGENCY POLICE NUMBERS, BECAUSE I HAVE REAL LIFE EXPERIENCE WITH BEING IN PROXIMITY TO THE BALLROOM AND MAKING THOSE PHONE CALLS TO NON-EMERGENCY POLICE. I DON'T REQUEST THE OFFICERS TO COME TO MY HOUSE AFTER THEY RESPOND TO THE CALL, AND I WILL LET YOU KNOW THAT TYPICALLY WHAT HAPPENS WITH WHENEVER I DO CALL NON-EMERGENCY FOR NOISE COMPLAINTS IS THAT EITHER I DON'T HEAR A DECREASE IN THE NOISE LEVEL, OR I DO FOR A TIME, AND THEN THE NOISE GOES BACK UP. I HONESTLY DIDN'T KNOW THAT THERE WAS A 1 A.M. CLOSED TIME, BECAUSE THAT MUST NOT HAVE BEEN FOLLOWED, TYPICALLY BECAUSE IT WOULD GO INTO THE NIGHT. THE OTHER PROBLEM THAT WE WERE FACING IS THAT NOISE COMPLAINTS WE COULD REPORT, BUT THE BUSINESS HOURS FOR RESPONDING TO SUCH A THING IS DURING BUSINESS HOURS. AND SO WHEN WE FACE THESE ISSUES ON WEEKEND NIGHTS, I MEAN, THE ONLY RESPONSE WE HAVE IS TO CALL POLICE NON-EMERGENCY AND THEN THEY GO OUT. THERE'S NO I'M SURE THEY'RE NOT CARRYING THAT MEASURING THE NOISE LEVEL, BECAUSE THAT'S CARRIED DURING BUSINESS HOURS MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY WHEN THEY'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT HAVING I WOULD NOT BE OBJECTIONABLE TO HAVE BABY SHOWERS FRIDAY AND SATURDAY EVENINGS. THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT IT'S IT SOUNDS LIKE A CLUB.I MEAN, I HAVE A YOUNG DAUGHTER, SO I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT OR YOU'RE HOPEFULLY GOING TO DENY, BUT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING THIS IN A PLACE SO CLOSE TO RESIDENCES. THIS IS NOT JUST FOR MY NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS SHOULD NOT EVEN BE SOMETHING THAT'S CONSIDERED FOR ANY DISTRICT IN ANY PART OF OUR CITY, TO BE ABLE TO PUT THESE PLACES WHERE IT'S GOIOING TO KEP US UP. BOOM. BOOMING IN THE EVENINGS EVEN TILL 1:00 AM.
CURRENTLY WE HAVE LIKE RESTAURANTS AND BUSINESSES AND THE RESTAURANTS CLOSE AT 10 P.M. AND THEY'RE QUIET AT THIS PLACE CLOSE TO 10 P.M. WHICH IS NOT WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR.
MAYBE, BUT THAT'S NOT. IT'S JUST NOT REAL LIFE. I WAS WORRIED ABOUT HAVING IT JUST IN THAT BALLROOM SPACE. THE IDEA THAT IT'S GOING TO BE EVEN LARGER BLEW MY MIND. YOU GUYS, THAT IS SCARY FOR A RESIDENT THAT LIVES NEARBY. IT'S REALLY JUST A MATTER OF OUR QUALITY OF LIFE. AND I IF THIS WAS GOING IN, LIKE RIGHT BEHIND YOUR HOUSE, JUST. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DON'T GO AWAY, COMMISSIONER DALTON. THANK YOU. YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU DID CALL IT IN SEVERAL TIMES TO THE NON-EMERGENCY NUMBER. ABOUT HOW MANY TIMES DID YOU MAKE A PHONE CALL TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THE SOUND? I WILL SAY THAT I ACTUALLY CONTACTED OUR COUNCIL PERSON, AND I HAD LET HER KNOW THAT IN THE LAST YEAR. HONESTLY, I HAVEN'T HAD ANY ISSUE NOW.
NOW I KNOW WHY I HAVEN'T HAD ANY ISSUE WITH NOISE COMPLAINTS. PRIOR TO THAT, IT WAS ON AND OFF. LIKE I GUESS THERE WERE TIMES WHERE A COUPLE TIMES A MONTH OR MAYBE LIKE WE WOULD GO A MONTH WITHOUT LIKE A BUSY THING AND THEN ANOTHER COUPLE FEW TIMES A MONTH. I THINK HONESTLY, IT DOES DEPEND ON WHAT TYPE OF PARTY THEY'RE HOSTING AND IF THEY WANT A HIP HOP AND LIKE EXCITING, CLUBBY PARTY THE MUSIC GETS, I CAN'T EXPRESS TO YOU. IT IS REALLY LIKE HAVING A CLUB NEAR YOUR HOUSE. WERE THESE THE TIME THAT YOU WERE HAVING AROBLEM? WAS IT AFTER 1:00 WHEN THIS WHEN YOU WERE HAVING THE TIMES THAT IT WOULD GO AFTER 1 A.M. YES.
YES. THANK YOU. OKAY. YEAH. YOU WERE CALLING THAT LINE. SO THAT PROBABLY WAS REFERENCED TO CODE ENFORCEMENT VERSUS POLICE AFTERWARDS. AND NOT ALL OF THAT MAY HAVE BEEN LOGGED. AND I REMEMBER WHEN THESE WERE COMING INTO PLAY. AND I'LL CALL YOU IN JUST A SECOND. COMMISSIONER MIRANDA, THIS WAS ABOUT 2009, 2013 WHEN WE STARTED SEEING THESE, AND WE HAD NO REFERENCE POINT AND WE WOULD DISCUSS IT, BUT WE DID PUT IN THE DISTANCE AFTERWARDS ONCE WE DISCOVERED THE ISSUES WITH THEM. AND SO THAT'S PART OF WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY. THERE ARE DISTANCE
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REQUIREMENTS AND YOUR HOUSE DOES FALL WITHIN. SO THAT'S PART OF THE CONSIDERATION OKAY.AND COMMISSIONER MIRANDA THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN ROBERTS. MY MY QUESTION IS SO SO YOU MENTIONED THAT AT LEAST LOOKS LIKE WITHIN THE LAST YEAR. RIGHT. THESE COMPLAINTS HAVE GONE DOWN AT THE VERY LEAST. OKAY. HAVE YOU HAVE YOU OBSERVED AT ALL LIKE ANY LIKE HOW THE TRAFFIC HAS BEEN OVER LIKE THE PAST YEAR WITH THE EVENTS, ANYTHING IN PARTICULAR? HONESTLY. AND I MADE I SENT THIS IN MY EMAIL TO COUNCILMAN MARGARET LUTE. WE USED TO HAVE A HUGE ISSUE AND I, I, I DON'T KNOW, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THERE'S NECESSARILY CORRELATION. WE USED TO HAVE A HUGE ISSUE WITH STREET RACING AT FIRST IN KINGSLEY, AND IT WAS BAD. I WOULD CALL SOMETIMES WE WOULDN'T HAVE A PARTY, BUT WE WOULD HAVE THOSE NOISE ISSUES AND I WOULD CALL FOR THAT. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE RECORDING THAT, BUT IT WAS VERY BUSY. THAT WAS A VERY BUSY INTERSECTION ON WEEKENDS. IT WAS CRAZY. I AND I MENTIONED IN MY EMAIL IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, POLICE OFFICER IS ON THE EMAIL. I ALSO HAVE SEEN A HUGE DROP IN THE STREET RACING, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S DUE TO GPD CRACKDOWN OR IF IT'S. I'VE JUST BEEN SO GRATEFUL. THIS LAST YEAR HAS BEEN SILENT FOR THE MOST PART, FOR CONSIDERING WE'RE IN GARLAND, YOU KNOW, AND I HAVEN'T HAD TO MAKE PHONE CALLS. SO THE TRAFFIC IN THE EVENINGS. YEAH, I MEAN, IT'S IT'S DOWN. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CAUSE FOR THAT IS. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER JONES. THERE WE GO. MY QUESTION IS FOR STAFF. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S REALISTIC, BUT IS IT POSSIBLE TO INSTALL A PERMANENT DEVICE THAT MEASURES THE NOISE LEVEL OR IS IT JUST NOISE COMPLAINTS BASED ON CALLING IT IN? THESE ARE USUALLY COMPLAINT DRIVEN. IT WOULD BE REALLY DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE SUCH A THING. RIGHT? I THINK THAT'S IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING DOWN. COMMISSIONER JENKINS. I ALWAYS CALL IT A LITTLE EARLY. YOU'RE ALREADY MOVING IT ALONG, I UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU FOR COMING DOWN AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. AND THANK YOU FOR MAKING THOSE REPORTS. I LIVE IN AN AREA WHERE WE HAVE A LOT OF FIREWORKS OR GUNSHOTS AT CERTAIN TIMES OF THE YEAR. I LIVE ACROSS FROM A WATER TREATMENT PLANT WHERE THE SME CAN GET A LITTLE OUTRAGEOUS SOMETIMES, SO REPORTING IS INCREDIBLY USEFUL FOR THE CITY. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. MY QUESTION IS, WE'VE HEARD FROM THIS NEW APPLICANT AND YOU'VE MENTIONED THAT IN THE LAST YEAR THERE HAVEN'T BEEN AS MANY COMPLAINTS. IF THEY WERE TO LIMIT THEIR OPERATIONS SPECIFICALLY TO THE WEEKEND AS OPPOSED TO HAVING IT ALL WEEK LONG, WOULD THAT BE COULD THAT BE LIKE A A WIN WIN OR BETTER THAN IT COULD BE? AND THAT'S THE QUESTION. THANK YOU. I, I THINK THAT AND I DON'T I HONESTLY, I DON'T HAVE A LOG OF THE DATES THAT I MADE. THE CALLS TO NON-EMERGENCY. I BELIEVE THAT MOST OF THEM ACTUALLY DID HAPPEN ON WEEKENDS, BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN MOST PEOPLE WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE OFF AND STAY UP LATE. SO THAT'S REALLY MY PRIMARY CONCERN. I MEAN, YEAH, I DEFINITELY DON'T WANT THEM HOSTING PARTIES UNTIL 1 A.M. ON A WEDNESDAY EITHER. BUT I THINK WHAT WOULD BE BETTER WOULD BE IF, IF THERE WAS TO BE A BALLROOM, THAT THEIR HOURS ARE LIMITED TO 10 P.M. THAT'S REASONABLE. SO THAT IT'S IT'S A RESIDENTIAL AREA. I DIDN'T MOVE TO LOWER GREENVILLE KNOWING I WAS WALKING INTO A LIVELY, VIBRANT NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THAT TYPE OF NOISE. THIS IS RESIDENTIAL. I MEAN, 10:10 P.M.
FOR A BALLROOM FOR WEEKENDS AND WEEKDAYS. THAT WOULD BE WHAT I WOULD WANT. IF THERE IS A USE FOR THIS BALLROOM. THANK YOU. LAST CALL. I THINK THAT'S IT FOR NOW. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING DOWN. APPRECIATE IT. NEXT SPEAKER CARD I HAVE IS I THINK ALLISON WOULD. YOU ALLISON WITT I LIVE AT 3105 MEDINA DRIVE IN GARLAND, WHICH IS ACROSS THE STREET ADJACENT FROM THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. AND STILL I HAD TO CALL MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE TIMES. I HAD THE POLICE COME OUT TO MY HOUS FIRST SO THEY COULD HEAR THE BOOMING BASS IN MY HOUSE, AND THEN GO OVER TO THE BALLROOM. THE BALLROOM HAS LARGE DOORS ON THE BACK AND THEY LEAVE THEM OPEN SO IT GOES OUT INTO THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY WOULD ASK THEM TO CLOSE THE DOORS AND COME BACK. IS THAT GOOD ENOUGH? I SAID, WELL, IF WE STILL HEAR IT SITTING ON MY PORCH, IT'S
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NOT GOOD ENOUGH. I DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT ON MY PORCH OR INSIDE MY HOUSE AT ONE, TWO, 330 IN THE MORNING. SO PERHAPS WE COULD WE COULD PULL THE NON-EMERGENCY CALL LOGS FOR THE NOISE COMPLAINTS. IT'S MUCH MORE THAN TWO. AND THE POLICE ACTUALLY DID COME TO MY HOUSE MULTIPLE TIMES. MY NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICER, OFFICER SHERRY, IS ALSO INVOLVED MANY TIMES WITH THIS AS WELL. AND SO IT WAS VERY DISHEARTENING. IT'S ON THE WEEKENDS. THE OTHER ONE WAS ON THE WEEKDAYS. IF IT WAS PRIOR TO A HOLIDAY, WE HAD TO ALSO CALL ON THE NIGHT BEFORE THANKSGIVING. HUGE PARTY. THEN. THE OTHER ISSUE IS THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT ENFORCES NORTH VIOLATIONS. WELL, THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT ISN'T OPEN IN THE EVENING AND ON THE WEEKEND TO ENFORCE IT, SO THEY CAN'T MEASURE SOUND LEVELS. THE NOISE ORDINANCE IS LIKE TEN FEET IN THE PARKING LOT. THAT'S ALL THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE. IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE OUT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AT TEN TILL 10 P.M. AND SO THERE REALLY ISN'T ANYONE TO ENFORCE THAT. AFTER THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT CLOSES. AND SO IT'S NOT PRACTICAL TO HAVE THIS TYPE OF SPACE THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY BUILT IN SOUNDPROOFING AFTER HOURS THAT THAT SITS RIGHT NEXT TO A NEIGHBOR. MANY NEIGHBORHOODS I'M IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ACROSS AND I HAD TO CALL MULTIPLE TIMES. I JUST CAN'T EMPHASIZE ENOUGH HOW POORLY IT IMPACTED OUR QUALITY OF LIFE. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? YES, COMMISSIONER DALTON, THANK YOU. DID YOU SAY THE BACKSIDE OF THATAT FACILITY HAS A BIG DOOR THAT CAN BE OPENED AND LEFT OPEN? SOME KIND OF DOOR THERE THAT THEY LEAVE OPEN FOR VENTILATION? AND SO THE POLICE WOULD SAY, WELL, WE'VE ASKED THEM TO CLOSE THE DOOR AGAIN. SO CAN WE GET STAFF TO BRING THIS IMAGE BACK AROUND TO THE BACK OF THAT BUILDING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW YOU'RE UP ON THE NORTH END OF THE APARTMENTS? I SEEM TO REMEMBER I KNOW IT'S 12 YEARS AGO, 13, BUT I SEEM TO REMEMBER A CONVERSATION EITHER ON THIS ONE OR OTHERS WHERE THEY WERE SURURE WHICH THE BACK DOORS. YEAH. LEFT OPEN THE DOOR. IT MIGHT BE ONE OF THOSE BIG ONES THERE. THAT'S WHAT THE POLICE WOULD ALWAYS SAY. IT'S AN OVERHEAD DOOR. DOOR? IT WAS PROBABLY THAT BIG ONE. THERE WAS A DOUBLE DOOR JUST BACK THERE. YEAH, THERE'S A REAL BIG ONE. IT MIGHT BE BAD. SO. SO REALLY, I WANTED TO ANSWER THE QUESTION SOMEONE ASKED ABOUT WHAT IT'S CONSTRUCTED OF. I MEAN, LOOK AT IT. IT'S NOTHING THERE. IT'S JUST A PIECE OF STEEL DOOR OR THE DOOR. YEAH.TO TO AS A BARRIER TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD FROM THE SOUND. AND IT'S IF YOU'VE GOT A DJ IN THERE AND LOUD SPEAKERS AND THAT DOOR IS OPEN, IT GETS VERY LOUD. OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I SEE NO OTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING DOWN. THANK YOU.
THAT'S ALL THE SPEAKER CARDS I HAVE. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO ADDRESS THIS CASE? IF NOT, I'LL ASK MISS MARIN. WELL, YOU'VE ALREADY SPOKEN, SIR. OR. OKAY.
YEAH. COME BACK DOWN. YOU'RE HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT. SO. AND IF THE APPLICANT WISHES TO SAY SOMETHING TO. I'M JUST NOT SURE IS THAT MORE IS THE DOOR TO THE SPACE IN QUESTION.
I DON'T THINK THAT IT IS. SO IT'S. I THINK IT'S A SMALLER DOOR. I WAS THERE EARLIER THIS MORNING. I DIDN'T GO THROUGH. I DIDN'T SEE THAT BIG DOOR. I SAW A SMALLER DOOR. BUT THAT'S ALL.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YEAH. I'LL ASK IF THE APPLICANT WISHES TO COME BACK UP AND ADDRESS ANYTHING. I JUST MOVE IT. NO, NO, YOU JUST GO AHEAD, OKAY? YEAH. THAT'S NOT THE DOOR, OKAY? IT'S A SMALLER DOOR. ALRIGHTY. ANYTHING ELSE? ANY OTHER RESPONSE? THE PREVIOUS OWNERS. WE. WE WOULD COME BY EVERY NOW AND THEN, ESPECIALLY BEFORE WE STARTED WORKING WITH THEM. AND THEY WERE RUNNING BUSINESS HOURS WAY PAST THE 1 A.M. CUTOFF. WE WE DO KNOW THAT.
WE OBVIOUSLY WOULD RESPECT THAT AND KEEP IT TO THE CUTOFF THAT WE ARE GIVEN. WE WOULD LOWER THE VOLUME AFTER A CERTAIN RESPECTABLE TIME. WHATEVER YOU GUYS WOULD SAY IT WOULD BE. AND SO WE'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH EVERYONE LIKE WE DON'T WE DON'T WANT TO CAUSE PROBLEMS. WE JUST WANT TO GIVE THE COMMUNITY A SPACE TO CELEBRATE SPECIAL EVENTS. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT.
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AND WE'VE HAD WHEN WE WENT AROUND IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE DID HAVE MULTIPLE PEOPLE TELL US THAT THAT BALLROOM, THEY HAD EVENTS THERE AND THEY WANT TO HAVE EVENTS THERE. I THINK THERE WAS AN OLDER WOMAN WHO LIVED ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE HOUSES THAT ARE RIGHT BEHIND THE BALLROOM, SAID THAT SHE WISHES THAT BALLROOM WAS STILL OPEN BECAUSE SHE WAS ABOUT TO HAVE A BABY SHOWER. SO WE WE JUST WANT TO PROVIDE THAT KIND OF SPACE FOR THESE FAMILIES, AND WE WANT TO BE RESPECTFUL ABOUT IT. WE DON'T WANT TO BE DISRESPECTFUL. WE DON'T WANT TO CAUSE ANYONE ANY HARM. AND OBVIOUSLY IF PEOPLE GET OUT OF HAND, WE WILL TAKE CARE OF IT. AND WE WORK WITH CERTAIN PEOPLE WHO ARE ALSO RESPECTFUL AND WE ARE THERE. MY MOTHER IS THERE FOR EVERY EVENT THAT SHE HOSTS. SHE IS THERE. SO IF ANYONE COMES OVER AN SAYS THAT THEY HAVE A COMPLAINT, WE WILL TAKE CARE OF IT. ALL RIGHT, I SEE NO QUESTIONS.THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SINCE THERE ARE NO OTHER SPEAKERS IN THIS CHAIR, WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. COMMISSIONER JONES. AND THEN LET ME GET YOU LIVE HERE. ARE YOU? HERE WE GO. TO MAKE A MOTION. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING SO THAT WE CAN DISCUSS. AND SECOND, BY COMMISSIONER JENKINS, WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE NEED TO DO THIS BY HAND OR.
OKAY. WE WERE HAVING TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES, SO I THOUGHT I'D ASK. THE MOTION IS TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. COMMISSIONER JONES, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JENKINS.
THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. COMMISSIONERS, I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ON THIS ONE. ANYBODY WANT TO START? COMMISSIONER DALTON? YOU WOULD WANT IT TO BE ME, PROBABLY. WELL, YOU CHIMED IN FIRST, SPEEDY ON THE PUNCH. LOOKING AT.
WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN THE CITY OF GARLAND, WHERE WE HAVE CHANGED OUR POSITION AS FAR AS WHERE ONE OF THESE FACILITIES CAN BE, WE'VE LIMITED TO TRY TO PROTECT OUR CITIZENS AND THEIR HOMES, AND THE PEACE AND QUIET OF THEIR DOMICILES BETTER THAN WHAT WAS DONE IN THE PAST.
WE'VE GIVEN THAT BUFFER ZONE TO EXIST. WE HAVE A BUILDING THAT, FROM WHAT I CAN TELL, MOST LIKELY HAS MINIMAL, IF ANY, SOUNDPROOFING IN THE BACK, WHICH IS WHERE THE RESIDENTS ARE NOW. IF IT WERE OVER ON THE OTHER SIDE, FACING INTO THE PARKING LOT, I PROBABLY WOULDN'T SAY A WORD, BUT I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT A BUILDING LIKE THIS THAT CLOSE TO A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE, YES, THE APPLICANT SAYS THEY WILL BE CONTROLLING THIS. I'VE BEEN TO TOO MANY EVENTS. I'VE WATCHED THAT SOUND GET LOUDER AND LOUDER AND LOUDER AS THE NIGHT GOES ON, A LITTLE BIT AT A TIME. IT'S LIKE BOILING THE LOBSTER. YOU CAN THROW THEM INTO BOILING WATER, STIR, AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. BUT YOU TURN IT UP SLOWLY. THEY'RE GOING TO COOK. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT ANY PLACE THAT CAN DO THAT MUCH SOUND AT THAT TIME OF NIGHT, SO I, I CANNOT SUPPORT THIS, I JUST CAN'T. COMMISSIONER. AND THEN COMMISSIONER JONES, A FEW THINGS THAT I WAS WELL, NOT A FEW THINGS, BUT ONE OF THE KEY THINGS I WAS CONSIDERING IS THE NONCOMPLIANCE TO THE GDC. AND ONE OF THOSE CALL OUTS WAS THE DISTANCE REQUIREMENT. AND SO THAT'S MY STRUGGLE IS THAT IT'S NOT IN COMPLIANCE. AND AND THEN ALSO OF COURSE, NOISE COMPLAINTS, ALTHOUGH IT HASN'T HAPPENED MOST RECENTLY AND IT IS DEPENDENT UPON THE HOURS AND THEN ALSO THE TYPE OF EVENT IT IS. BUT IF I'M IF I'M LOOKING AT IT FROM A THE GDC PERSPECTIVE, I'M STRUGGLING WITH IT NOT MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE DISTANCE IS ONE THING. THE SECOND IS AROUND THE THE PD. SO THERE'S PART TENANT OWNERSHIP AND PART OF THE. THE SITE OWNERSHIP. AND SO I STRUGGLE WITH THAT.HE
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WE'RE ASKING THE TENANT TO COVER WHAT A SITE SHOULD COVER. I MIGHT BE USING THE WRONG TERMINOLOGY, BUT GO AHEAD. YOU WANT TO CLARIFY MY TERMINOLOGY. OWNER IS AWARE AND THE PROPERTY OWNERS SIGNATURES ACTUALLY REQUIRED AT THE TIME OF ZONING APPLICATION. SO THE PROPERTY OWNER, THE OWNER OF THE SITE IS AWARE OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS. WE'RE NOT PUTTING IT JUST ON THE TENANT OKAY. SO THOSE ARE THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS RIGHT NOW FOR DISCUSSION. JUST LETTING YOU KNOW. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER JONES. KIND OF GONE BACK AND FORTH TONIGHT. I THINK ON ONE HALF I CAN SEE THE BENEFIT OF SOMETHING LIKE THIS IN THE COMMUNITY GENERALLY AND SUPPORTING NEIGHBORING BUSINESSES. I THINK ALSO, IF WE WERE TO APPROVE IT. I WOULD AGREE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE LANDSCAPING AND RESTRIPING. I WOULD TAKE IT EVEN FURTHER TO INCLUDE LANDSCAPING WITHIN THE PARKING LOT. SO IT'S NOT AS IT'S NOT HEAVILY. HEAVILY FOCUSED ON PARKING. I WANT TO SEE MORE GREEN GREENERY IN THE PARKING. HOWEVER, I'M LEANING TOWARDS DENIAL JUST BECAUSE I THINK EVEN WITH THAT YOU STILL HAVE THE NOISE COMPLAINT SIDE OF IT. SO AS MUCH AS I WANT TO SEE THE SHOPPING CENTER REVITALIZED WITH MORE LANDSCAPING, EVERYTHING, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A GOOD ENOUGH TRADE OFF TO PEOPLE LIVING NEARBY WITH THE NOISE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER MIRANDA. THANK YOU, CHAIR ROBERTS. YEA ULTIMATELY, FOR ME, I SEE THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF THINGS THAT WOULD NEED TO HAPPEN TO MAKE THIS FUNCTION LARGELY WITH THE WITH IN RESPECT TO THE FAMILIES THAT ARE REALLY CLOSE BY, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT FOR THESE EVENTS, I MEAN, IN ORDER FOR THIS BALLROOM TO BE SUCCESSFUL, THE TYPES OF EVENTS THAT IT WOULD NEED TO ATTRACT WOULD NOT BE THE QUIETEST, YOU KNOW? AND SO ULTIMATELY, WHAT I SEE WHEN I, WHEN I'M, WHEN I'M CONSIDERING THESE TYPE OF REQUESTS, I AM ALSO LEANING TOWARDS DENIAL BECAUSE I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT WHAT IS BEST FOR THE RESIDENTS NEAR THERE. AND EVEN THOUGH GOING OFF OF ALSO. RIGHT, MAYBE, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, THE NEED FOR, LET'S SAY, THESE TYPES OF EVENTS, THERE'S THERE'S OTHER PLACES WE ALREADY HAVE IN GARLAND THAT CAN HOST THESE TYPES OF EVENTS. WE CAN DO REC CENTERS FOR, LET'S SAY, SOME OF THE SMALLER EVENTS, LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE BABY SHOWERS. YOU KNOW, WE GOT A BIG ONE RIGHT THERE NEXT TO NAAMAN FOR THOSE BIG EVENTS. AND THEN ALSO, I BELIEVE WE STILL HAVE THE ONE THAT'S CALLED GENESIS, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, OVER THERE. IT'S KIND OF AROUND MY AREA AROUND NORTH GARLAND. I ALWAYS SEE PARTIES HAPPENING THERE, AND AGAIN, I ALWAYS SEE PARTIES GOING ON UNTIL PRETTY LATE AT NIGHT. SO ULTIMATELY I SEE THAT IF WE WERE TO RECOMMEND THIS FORWARD, I WOULD ALSO STRONGLY URGE TO EVEN GO FURTHER, NOT JUST THE THE BASIC RESTRIPING AND LANDSCAPING. WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE ALSO SOMETHING IN PLACE TO REDUCE THE NOISE AROUND, BUT THAT MIGHT BE QUITE A LOT FOR THE DEVELOPER. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE? COMMISSIONER JENKINS? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.THE QUESTION I'VE GOT FOR THE COMMISSION IS, IS THE DENIAL OF THE PD, OR IS THE DENIAL OF THE SUV, AND THAT'S THAT'S WHERE I'M AT RIGHT NOW. OKAY. AND COMMISSIONER PARIS. JUST ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION. SO AS FAR AS THE MINE IS MORE AROUND THE DENIAL OF THE PD, THE SP, IT WOULD BE WITHIN LINE. MOOT POINT HERE. PARDON ME. IF THE PD IS DENIED, THIS BECOMES A MOOT POINT. YEAH. OKAY. AS USUAL, I HAVE SOME SUMMARY IDEAS FIRST. FIRST OF ALL, THERE ARE TWO OTHER REPORTS THAT THERE ARE TWO OTHER IN THE AREA. SO WE'RE NOT DENYING THE PEOPLE THE RIGHT TO HAVE THESE. AND WHEN WE PASSED THIS IN 2013, WE WERE STILL KIND OF IN EXPERIMENTAL STAGE OF WHAT ARE THESE? AND WE DID DISCUSS PROXIMITY, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO GO ON. NOW WE DO. AND DURING THAT TIME WERE STILL TIED TO THE OWNER, NOT THE LAND.
THIS THIS APPLICANT I BELIEVE, WOULD DO A MARVELOUS JOB, KEEP THINGS QUIET AND EVERYTHING.
BUT AS HISTORY HAS SHOWN, SHE SELLS TO SOMEBODY ELSE. THEY STILL HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME BEFORE US AND THE SOUND CAN CRANK UP AGAIN. SO SINCE THE SP GOES WITH THE LAND AND NOT THE PEOPLE, WE'VE SEEN THROUGH HISTORY THAT THERE IS A PROBLEM IN TO THE CRUX OF IT, THIS IS A PRIME CORNER IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WANTS SOMETHING BETTER, AND WE'VE GOT 12 ACRES HERE. IT COULD BE GREAT FOR REDEVELOPMENT, ALL
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KINDS OF STUFF. SO I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION ALL AROUND FOR THOSE THREE REASONS. DISCUSSION. MOTION FURTHER. MR. CHAIR. HE GOT THERE FIRST COMMISSIONER JENKINS AND THEN COMMISSIONER MIRANDA. WELL, COMMISSIONER JENKINS, YOU'VE CHIMED IN FOR A MOTION AND COMMISSIONER MIRANDA, YOU'VE CHIMED IN FOR A SECOND JUST SO HE DOESN'T HAVE A DISCUSSION. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I DON'T CUT HIM OFF. OKAY. MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THE APPLICATION PER STAFF'S RECOMMEND. DENY THE REQUEST FOR THE PD PER STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. JUST THE WHOLE APPLICATION. PD AND SP TO MAKE IT CLEAR. OKAY, THE MOTION IS TO DENY THE APPLICATION OF THE PD AND SP MOTION BY COMMISSIONER JENKINS, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MIRANDA. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, PLEASE GET READY TO VOTE.MOTION IS TO DENY. LET'S DO THIS AGAIN. HERE WE GO. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ALL RIGHT.
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