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I'D LIKE TO CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER THE MEETING OF THE GARLAND PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE, FIRE AND EMS STAKEHOLDER COMMITTEE.
THANK YOU TO THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS, STAFF, AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO ARE JOINING US TONIGHT.
UH, AS OUR CASUAL REMINDER, THIS COMMITTEE WAS FORMED TO CAREFULLY EXAMINE THE FUTURE OF FIRE AND EMS SERVICES IN GARLAND AND OUR GOALS TO REVIEW THE DATA HERE ARE THE EXPERTS AND RESIDENTS, AND ULTIMATELY DEVELOP RECOMMENDATIONS AND ACCOMPLISH THREE THINGS.
FIRST, IS SUSTAIN ESSENTIAL EMERGENCY SERVICES FOR THE CITIZENS OF DARLAND.
SECOND IS IMPROVE THE LIVES AND WELLBEING OF THE FIREFIGHTERS AND FIRST RESPONDERS WHO SERVE OUR COMMUNITY.
AND THIRD IS TO ENSURE THAT ANY CHANGES WE CONSIDER OUR FINANCIALLY RESPONSIBLE AND SUSTAINABLE FOR THE LONG TERM.
THIS PROFIT HAS BEEN A NINE MONTH EFFORT, AND, UH, WE ARE AT WEEK SEVEN.
UH, WITH THAT, WE HAVE, UH, OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS THE APPROVAL OF THREE MINUTES.
WE HAVE A SECOND BY MELISSA GARMER.
ALRIGHT, SECOND ORDER OF BUSINESS IS OUR THIRD ORDER BUSINESS IS PUBLIC COMMENTS.
IS THERE ANYONE, UH, WHO WISHES TO ADDRESS THE COMMITTEE? ALWAYS WELCOME.
SO LET'S C SO WE MOVE ON TO ITEM A PREVIOUS DISCUSSION QUESTION.
HOW MANY FIREFIGHTERS HAVE A SECOND JOB AS OF TODAY? 82.
OF THE 285, 82, 82, WE'VE HAD, UH, THE FARMS HAVE BEEN, THEY CAME IN PRETTY FAST ORIGINALLY THIS WEEK WE HAD ABOUT THREE TRICKLE IN.
WE JUST FOR LAST WEEK, WE JUST TRICKLING IN REALLY SLOW NOW.
SO I THINK WE'LL STILL BE UNDER A HUNDRED HALF JOBS.
THOSE JOBS RANGE FROM, UH, HOME INSPECTOR POOL BUILDER TO PRN PARAMEDIC AT TOUCHSTONE ENERGY WHENEVER THEY'RE DOING CERTAIN MEDICAL PROCEEDS HAVE PARAMEDIC RESIDENT.
SO, UH, AND NEARLY ALL OF THEM DRIVE THEIR OWN HOURS AND ARE AS NEEDED.
UH, SO LET SAY SOMEBODY THAT IS A ROOFING COMPANY, 6 MILLION BUSY SEASON, BUT HE STILL DRIVES HIS OWN TIRE AND HE'S JUST DOING ROOF ESTIMATES AND SELLING ROOFS IS ALWAYS BEEN FUN.
SO, UH, PRETTY, PRETTY, I FEEL PRETTY COMFORTABLE TELLING YOU THIS IS PROBABLY LESS THAN A HUNDRED THAT ARE WORKING PART-TIME.
DATA TO INFORM FD RECOMMENDATION PRESENTED REGARD HEALTH AND SAFETY OF FIREFIGHTERS FROM EXTERNAL DEPARTMENTS.
FINDING EXTERNAL DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE TRACKED THE IMPORTANT DATA IS PROVEN VERY DIFFICULT.
UM, WE'VE GOT INFORMATION FROM GAINESVILLE, FLORIDA, WE'LL COVER ON THE FINANCIAL SIDE AND, AND SICK TIME SIDE.
UH, WE STAFF DID A, A SEARCH AND FOUND THE STUFF THAT WE ALL KNOW, UH, ALREADY APPROXIMATELY 13% OF WORKPLACE INJURIES THAT ATTRIBUTED TO THE TEAM.
UH, CHRONIC INSOMNIA OR SLEEP APNEA ARE TWICE AS LIKELY TO BE INVOLVED IN ACCIDENTS.
WE HAVE SHOWN BEFORE, UM, THAT WHEN YOU TEST FIREFIGHTERS, YOU FIND, UH, 40 TO 50% OF THEM HAVE SLEEP DISORDERS THAT ARE UNDIAGNOSED.
SO, SO, UM, THAT ALSO ADDS TO THIS PROBLEM WITH ACCIDENTS.
UM, EVENING SHIFTS, 18% HIGHER, UH, ACCIDENT RATES, 30% ON NIGHT SHIFTS.
UM, 12 HOUR SHIFTS INCREASE INJURY RISK BY 37%.
UH, WE DON'T WANNA KNOW WHAT 24 AND 48 HOUR SHIFTS ATTRIBUTE TO, UM, THE COGNITIVE IMPACT FATIGUE CAUSES SLOW REACTION TIME, DECREASED VIGILANCE, AND POOR DECISION MAKING, UM, WHICH IN THE LOW RISK EVENTS IS NOT REAL CRITICAL, BUT IN THE HIGHER RISK MES THAT HAPPEN ON LOWER FREQUENCY, WE GOTTA BE SHARP.
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ALL PART OF THIS REST AND RECOVERY TIME.UM, WHAT'S DEFINED AS INSUFFICIENT SLEEP, LESS THAN SEVEN HOURS PER DAY.
LONG WORK HOURS, UH, TYPICALLY MORE THAN A 40 HOUR WEEK, UH, RESULT IN KEY CAUSES OF WORKPLACE INJURIES.
UM, A 20 YEAR SWEDISH STUDY KIND OF EMPLOYEES WITH DISTURBED SLEEP WERE NEARLY TWICE AS LIKELY TO DIE OF WORK RELATED ACCIDENTS.
AND RESEARCH SUGGESTS THAT FATIGUE RELATED OR DROWSY DRIVING CONTRIBUTES TO ROUGHLY 20% OF ALL CRASHES.
SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS DEVELOP A 42 HOUR WORK WEEK INSTEAD 56 HOUR WORK WEEK.
SO ALL OF Y'ALL ARE WELL AWARE, UM, AND IT'S ALL BASED ON NOT ALL, IT'S MAINLY BASED UPON SLEEP SCIENCE.
UH, SHOWING ONE NIGHT OF DESTRUCTIVE SLEEP, UM, TAKES THREE NIGHTS OF RESTORATIVE SLEEP TO FULLY RECOVER.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, IS THAT FULL RECOVERY BEFORE WE ATTACK OUR BODY TEETH.
SO, UH, LATER IN THE SLIDES, WE WILL GET TO, UH, OH, LOOK, WE'RE ALREADY AT THE GAINESVILLE DOUBT.
AS MATT, WHEN SOMEBODY LOOK UP, SHUT UP, MOVE ON.
AFTER IT'S AVERAGED OUT OF 180 5, ORIGINALLY THEY HAD 1 8 6, AND AT 5 24 POST THEIR 42 HOUR CHANGE APPLIED 25, THEY SETTLED OUT 180 5.
SO IT'S A SIMILAR SIZED DEPARTMENT.
WE'VE GOT A HUNDRED MORE MEMBERS THAN THEY DO.
BUT THIS IS A DEPARTMENT THAT WAS WILLING TO SHARE DATA FOLLOWING A OPEN RECORDS REQUEST, BUT MORE THAN WILLING TO SHARE THEIR DATA.
UM, AND SIMILAR SIZED, LIKE I SAY TO GAR, UM, WHEN THEY MADE THE CHANGE TO THEIR 42 HOUR WORK WEEK, THEY WENT FROM A 1.35, UH, ISH BUFFER, MEANING THAT'S HOW MANY PEOPLE FOR EACH SEAT THEY HAD HIRED, UH, AND TOOK TO 1.00, UH, BUFFER.
SO NOW ANY, ANY LEAD TIME, HOLIDAY DAY VACATION, SICK INJURY CREATES AN OVERTIME DAY.
UH, IT ALLOWED THEM TO TAKE THAT BUFFER, PUSH IT TO THE FOURTH SHIFT, AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO HIRE, UH, PROGRESSIVELY SINCE THAT POINT IN TIME TO ADD MORE PEOPLE TO GET THEIR BUFFER BACK TO A NORMAL STATE.
UM, SO SICK HOURS IN THE COMPARISON, FY 24 GAINESVILLE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAD 17,897 HOURS OF SICK, WHICH IS 96.2 PER FIREFIGHTER FY 44.
THE FARM FIRE DEPARTMENT HAD 40,656 HOURS OF SICK LEAVE EQUATING TO 159 HOURS PER FIREFIGHTER FY 25.
THEY SAW ABOUT AN 11% DROP IN THEIR SICK HOURS AND WENT DOWN 15 6 9 8.
THIS IS AFTER THEY MADE THE CHANGE, 84.9 HOURS OF SICK GUARD FIRE DEPARTMENT.
OUR NUMBERS WENT UP TO 161 HOURS PER FIREFIGHTER.
SO WE'RE CONTINUING TO SEE AN ESCALATION IN SICK LEAVE.
UM, RECENTLY ASKED WHAT'S THE CAPACITY OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT? AND I'M, AND I'M PUTTING THIS IN HERE, MIKE, I HOPE YOU DON'T MIND ME WORKING THIS UP.
UM, WE DID A, A COMPARATIVE ANALYSIS WITH OUR MARKET CITIES THAT WE USE THAT PROVIDE EMS TRANSPORT SERVICES.
AND THE AVERAGE DOLLAR OF CALLS PER FIREFIGHTER IS NINE 2.5.
SO IF YOU TAKE 92.5, MULTIPLY IT BY 2 85, WE CAME UP WITH JUST AROUND 26,000 CALLS FOR SERVICE PER YEAR.
WE'RE RUNNING DURING 1000 CALLS PER SERVICE PER YEAR.
WE ARE WELL OVER CAPACITY AS SUCH, OUR SICK TIME IS 160 MILLION HOURS TO A FIRE.
WE'RE BEATING THEM UP WE'RE WE DON'T PASS AND WE'RE BEATING THEM DOWN.
THE ONLY WAY FOR THEM TO GET A EXPENSIVE TIME TO RECOVER A LOT OF TIMES IS DROP SICK DATA.
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WITH THESE NUMBERS, WORKPLACE INJURIES.GAINABLE HAS NOT, UH, COUNTED THEIR FY 25 WORKPLACE INJURIES YET.
THEY OBVIOUSLY KNOW WHO'S BEEN HURT, BUT THEY HAVE NOT CLOSED OUT THEIR MY 25 INJURY YEAR.
THEY WON'T REPORT THAT DATA UNTIL THEY DO, BUT THEY HAD 37.2, UH, INJURIES PER FIREFIGHTER IN GARLAND.
UH, WE HAD 26 IN THE MY 24, WHICH IS 0.1.
SO OUR INJURY RATES ARE BETTER THAN THEIRS, BUT THEIR SICK TIME IS, IS SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER.
OVERTIME HOURS 78,553 OR 422 HOURS BY FIREFIGHTERS BEFORE THEY MADE THE CHANGE.
PART OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IS WE'RE GONNA REDUCE OUR OVERTIME BECAUSE THE PAPER WILL BE HE RIGHT THIS CONFUSED THE HECK OUT ME FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS AS I'M LOOKING AT THROUGH DATA.
BUT IT WAS THE BUFFER, THE BUFFER COSTS, SO THEIR OVERTIME WENT UP.
THE INTERESTING PART IS THEIR FOSA, THE FLSA TIME WENT DOWN, UH, IT WENT DOWN 58%.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE PIECE WHEN YOU TALK TO THESE DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE MAKING THE CHANGE, THAT THE IMMEDIATE THING THEY'RE SEEING IS THEIR FLSA DROPS OFF DRASTICALLY.
UH, SO THAT'S THE HALFTIME THAT THEY PAY FOR THEIR EXTRA HOUR.
UM, AND THAT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE NOW A 42 HOUR WORK WEEK INSTEAD OF A 50, UH, SIX.
SO THE FLSA TIME DROPS OFF SIGNIFICANTLY.
GAINSVILLE WANTS TO GET THE STAFFING BACK UP AND EXPECT THEIR FLSA TO DROP INTO THE LOW TWENTIES, UH, PERCENT, UH, OF WHAT THEY WERE.
SO THAT IS OUR GARLAND IN GAINESVILLE COMPARATIVE DATA.
THE SAFETY VALVE, I TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT WITH OUR FIREFIGHTERS.
WHEN THEY'RE BEAT DOWN, WHEN THEY'RE TIRED, WE HAVE SICK DAY IN THERE THAT THAT'S THEIR SAFETY VALVES GET A DAY OFF AND TO GET A STRETCH OF DAYS HOME.
UM, 24 72, MOST DEPARTMENTS ARE SEEN 15 TO 20% REDUCTION.
I THINK THAT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE STILL WORKING SO MUCH OVER TIME.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT SEEING THEIR DRASTIC DROP IN SICK LEAVE YOU RETENTION.
UH, HIGH BURNOUT TURNOVER CAUSES PEOPLE TO LEAVE, UH, OTHERS LEAVE FOR BETTER OPPORTUNITIES.
UM, WHAT THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENTS ARE SEEING OR PEOPLE ARE LEAVING THE 24, 48 DEPARTMENTS TO BE ABLE TO TURN 72 KIND MAKES SENSE.
UM, THIS WEEK, WELL, ACTUALLY IT WAS LAST FRIDAY.
I HAD A GENTLEMAN COME INTO THE OFFICE AND RESIGN.
HE'S GOING TO, WELL, IT'S ALREADY KIND OF STARTED, AND HE'S A TWO YEAR EMPLOYEE.
UH, WE'VE INVESTED A LOT IN AND HE'S TAKEN OUR INVESTMENT WITH HIM.
LIABILITY WISE, HIGH RISK TEAM RELATED ACTIONS.
UM, THE, THE DATA THAT IS PICKED UP IN AI IS SHOWN SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER RISK AND NEGLIGENCE LIMITS.
SO, UM, I WISH I COULD SEE WHAT GAINESVILLE'S DATA IS.
I'M NOW ON THE FIRST NAME BASIS WITH VALENTINA, WHO IS ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT FIRE CHIEF.
AND, UH, WE EMAILED YESTERDAY AND SHE ANSWERED BACK TODAY ON THE FY 25 INJURY DATA.
SHE STILL HASN'T HAD IT, BUT SHE SAID AS SOON AS SHE HAS IT, THE PERSON ACCOUNTS KNOWS TO NOTIFY HER, SO THEY NOTIFY.
WE'RE STILL MEETING AT THAT POINT.
Y'ALL WILL KNOW SHE HAS NOTHING.
FURTHER, WE'LL MOVE TO SOME COMPARISON DATA, UM, COMPARING, UH, GARLAND FIRE DEPARTMENT TO OTHER CITY OF GARLAND DEPARTMENTS.
UM, KUDOS TO OUR HUMAN RESOURCES AND RISK MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENTS FOR PROVIDING THIS INFORMATION.
WE'RE ABOUT TO GO OVER, OVER TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
UM, LOOKING AT A THREE YEAR AVERAGE OF OUR COST PER CLAIM, UH, BY DEPARTMENT.
UM, YOU'RE SEEING NOT A WIDE DISCREPANCY BETWEEN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND ALL OTHER DEPARTMENTS WHERE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ACTUALLY BEING THE LOWEST AVERAGE COST PER CLAIM BASED ON THAT THREE YEAR AVERAGE.
UM, WE DID RECEIVE SOME LAST MINUTE INFORMATION, UH, PULLING OUT, UM, BY DEPARTMENT.
I KNOW THERE WAS A SPECIFIC REQUEST TO COMPARE TO GPNL.
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GPNL.THE AVERAGE COST PER CLAIM IS $454 AND 58 CENTS ON AVERAGE.
UM, WHAT YOU DO SEE IS DIFFERENT COST DRIVERS, UH, BASED ON THE, YOU KNOW, DEPARTMENT AND REALLY I ASSUME SOME OF THE NATURE OF THEIR WORK OR THE NATURE OF THEIR EXPOSURE.
UM, IN TERMS OF OVERALL PARTICIPATION IN OUR HEALTH PLAN.
UH, FOR CONTEXT, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT MAKES UP 14% OF OUR OVERALL TOTAL PARTICIPANTS.
UH, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS 16%.
UH, GARLAND POWER AND LIGHT IS 9%, AND THE REMAINDER OF THE CITY IS THE REMAINING 61%.
AND TO PUT THIS INTO LARGER CONTEXT OF OUR TOTAL COST PER CLAIM, FIRE DEPARTMENT'S 14% OF OUR TOTAL PER PARTICIPANTS, BUT THEY'RE ONLY 12% OF OUR TOTAL CLAIMS COSTS.
UM, WITH THE BULK OF THAT CLAIMS COST BEING DRIVEN, DRIVEN BY ALL OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS, HUMAN RESOURCES ALSO PROVIDED SOME WORKFORCE DATA.
UM, JUST, UH, AN AVERAGE OF, YOU KNOW, FOR THIS TIME PERIOD OF THEIR TERMINATION SUMMARIES.
UM, MAJORITY OF YOU KNOW, REASONS FOR LEAVING THE CITY, 65% OF IN RETIREMENT, UM, WITH ABOUT 15% FOR PERSONAL RESIGNATIONS.
UM, OTHER EMPLOYMENT AROUND 13%.
AND THEN THE TWO SMALLER CATEGORIES IS PERFORMANCE AND OR, UH, DEATH.
UM, COMPARED TO, WE DON'T HAVE THE EXACT PERCENTAGE, BUT ANECDOTALLY, THE REMAINDER OF THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE AS LOW OF A PERSONAL RESIGNATION OR OTHER EMPLOYMENT PERCENTAGE.
UM, BUT THAT IS DATA WE WILL BE PURSUING AND BRING BACK TO THIS COMMITTEE FOR A COMPARISON.
UH, SO THE, AS WE WOULD ANTICIPATE WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, AS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S PRESENTED IN THE PAST, THEIR GUYS ARE COMMITTED TO THIS DEPARTMENT AND THEY STAY HERE, YOU KNOW, FROM DAY ONE THROUGH, IT'S A PART OF THE CULTURE AND YOU SEE THAT IN THESE NUMBERS UP HERE.
THEN FINALLY, SOME INFORMATION FROM OUR RISK MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT ON WORKER COMPENSATION TRENDS.
UM, FIRE DEPARTMENT REPRESENTED, UH, 19.5% OF CITYWIDE CLAIMS, UM, AND 18%, ALMOST 18% OF OUR CITYWIDE CLAIMS AND ALMOST 16.3% OF OUR TOTAL INSURED COSTS.
UM, AND JUST THEIR OBSERVATION WAS THIS TREND REFLECTS OPERATIONAL EXPOSURE RATHER THAN STRUCTURAL EX ESCALATION.
UM, SO, AND THEN THE RISK DEPARTMENT ALSO PROVIDED US SOME KEY OBSERVATIONS, UM, BASED ON WHAT THEY'RE SEEING IN THEIR CLAIMS, THE CLAIMS DATA, UM, OVEREXERTION INJURIES, UM, COSTS ARE DRIVEN BY SEVERITY DRIVEN RATHER THAN FREQUENCY DRIVEN.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, KEY MITIGATION MOVING FORWARD WOULD BE LOOKING AT MUSCULOSKELETAL INJURY PREVENTION AND ERGONOMIC AND LIFTING TECHNIQUE REINFORCEMENT.
QUESTION ON MS ON THOSE ON THE FOLLOW-UP.
UM, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PERSONAL RE RESIGNATIONS AND OTHER EMPLOYMENT ON THE SLIDE 11? YES.
WHAT EXACTLY IS A PERSONAL RES BECAUSE IT'S CODED AS NOT OTHER EMPLOYMENT.
DOES THAT MEAN THAT THEY'RE JUST NOT WORKING ANYMORE OR IT'S THEY'RE DISCLOSING THAT IT'S FOR A PERSONAL REASON? IT COULD BE ANOTHER EMPLOYMENT, BUT THEY'RE NOT SPECIFICALLY CODE FOR OTHER EMPLOYMENT? IT DEFINITELY COULD BE.
PERSONAL RESIGNATION IS, IT'S JUST, THEY'RE SAYING IT'S A PERSONAL MATTER.
ALSO, NO, ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE INTENTION RATE FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT THAT IS THE PEOPLE WHO LEAVE FOR NON-RETIREMENT REGIONS IS LOWER THAN GENERAL SCHEDULE EMPLOYEES? THAT'S CORRECT.
ALISON WILL PRESENT SOME, UH, FINANCIAL DATA ON THE FINANCIAL IMPACT OF SEVERAL OPTIONS THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE COMMITTEE.
UM, THESE ARE THE, UH, UH, FIVE OPTIONS THAT WE
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WERE ASKED TO CONSIDER.UH, THE FIRST IS LOOKING AT STAYING ON THE 56 HOUR SHIFT AND MOVING TO FOUR PERSON STAFFING, UH, WITH NO DUAL COMPANY.
UH, THE SECOND ONE IS TO LOOK AT THE MASTER PLAN THAT WAS PASSED SEVERAL YEARS AGO AT 56 HOURS WITH FOUR PERSON, THREE ON ENGINE WITH DUAL COMPANY.
AND THEN 42 HOUR THREE PERSON STAFFING IS THE ONE THAT WE'RE, THAT MOSTLY TALKING ABOUT HERE, WHICH IS, UH, TO REMAIN ON THE THREE PERSON STAFFING WOULD HAVE THE 42 HOUR WORK SHIFT.
THEN WE ALSO DID 42 HOURS WITH THE FOUR PERSON STAFFING, WHICH, SO SIMILAR TO THE FOUR PERSON THING ON 56, BUT MOVING DOWN TO 42 HOURS.
AND THEN THE MASTER PLAN, IF YOU ALSO LAYERED ON 42 HOURS.
AND I WANTED TO GO OVER SOME OF THE ASSUMPTIONS WE LOOKED AT.
SO WE LOOKED AT THIS OVER THE, THE COST IMPACTS OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS WITH THE TAX RATE EQUIVALENT IMPACT.
BECAUSE IN MY MIND WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IS GIVE THE
UH, SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS, UH, WHAT WE ASSUMED WAS FIRE PERSONNEL REMAINS ON ITS CURRENT CLASSIFICATIONS AND ON ITS CURRENT STEP INCREASES, BUT WE DID ASSUME A 3% INCREASE TO THOSE OVER THE 10 YEAR PERIOD.
UH, WE ASSUMED NO ADJUSTMENTS TO ANY OF THE CERTIFICATION PAY FOR EDUC EDUCATION, HAZMAT, AMBULANCE, AND PARAMEDIC PAY.
UH, THE FIREMEN ALL CIVIL SERVICE EMPLOYEES, SO POLICE AND FIRE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT IN SOCIAL SECURITY, RECEIVE A RETIRE STABILITY BENEFIT.
AND, UH, STARTING IN, UH, NEXT YEAR WILL BE 3% AND EMPLOYEE CONTRIBUTION FOR EVERY 4% OF GROSS, UH, EARNINGS THAT A FIREMAN PUTS IN THE CITY WILL BASICALLY MATCH THAT AT 3% OF GROSS EARNINGS.
UH, WE ASSUME THE TMRS, WHICH IS OUR PENSION PLAN, THAT THE EMPLOYER CONTRIBUTION WOULD BE AVERAGE ABOUT 12% A YEAR.
UH, THAT, THAT, THAT'S BASED OFF HISTORICAL LOOK AT WHERE OUR, OUR TMRS, UH, ACTUARY STUDIES HAVE PUT US.
HEALTH INSURANCE IS A BIG COST DRIVER.
IT GOES UP ABOUT SEVEN AND A HALF PERCENT EACH YEAR.
SO WE ASSUME THAT LONG TERM OUR RETIREE INSURANCE.
SO FOR EVERY NEW EMPLOYEE THAT COMES IN, WE DO, UH, APPLY A RETIREE INSURANCE PREMIUM TO COVER THEM FOR WHEN THEY RETIRE TO BASICALLY COVER THE RETIREE INSURANCE PLAN.
WE HAVE A CAP THAT 3% PER YEAR.
SO THAT'S A CITY POLICY THAT THE CITY WILL ONLY CONTRIBUTE 3% EACH YEAR.
SO THAT'S WHY IT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE, THE HEALTH INSURANCE FOR THE ACTIVE EMPLOYEES.
UH, FIRE MODELS, ALL OF THESE ARE ASSUMING A FIVE YEAR PHASE IN MEANING WE WON'T BE JUST LOOKING TO ADD 75 FIREFIGHTERS IN YEAR ONE.
WE'LL PHASE IT IN OVER FIVE YEARS.
AND THEN IN THE MODEL ALL PROMOTIONS, THERE WILL BE SOME PROMOTIONS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO DRIVERS RISK CAPTAINS, UH, CHIEFS LIEUTENANTS THAT WILL BE PHASED IN OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS OF IMPLEMENTATION.
SO FIVE YEAR TOTAL IMPLEMENTATION PROMOTIONS WON'T HAPPEN UNTIL THE LATTER YEARS.
UH, AND ALSO AN IMPORTANT POINT, THIS MODEL ONLY INCLUDES, UH, THE GENERAL FUND PORTION.
UH, THERE COULD BE CAPITAL PORTIONS, ESPECIALLY WITH THE MASTER PLANS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE FOLKS SINCE WE'RE FOCUSED SPECIFICALLY ON OPERATIONAL COSTS AND THE GENERAL FUND WHERE YOU'RE ONLY SPENDING GENERAL FUND COSTS.
SO THE FIRST MODEL AND EACH ONE OF THESE WILL BE SET UP THE SAME JUST TO SHOW YOU WHAT THE ESTIMATED STAFFING WOULD BE, AND THEN THE COST.
SO WITH A 56 HOUR FOUR PERSON IMPUTE OVER THAT FIVE YEARS PERIOD OF THE PHASE AND WITH REQUIRED 51 NEW FIREFIGHTERS TO BE HIRED AND O OVER THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN WOULD COST ABOUT 8.1 MILLION, WHICH IS THE EQUIVALENT OF ABOUT 2.63 CENTS.
BUT AGAIN, WE LOOKED AT A 10 YEAR PHASE AND IT'S 11 MILLION.
SO THE TOTAL COST WOULD BE ABOUT 3 CENTS ON THE TAX RATE.
AND YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE PROMOTION THAT THE END OF IT WILL HAVE THAT WOULD SHAKE OUT.
SO BASICALLY YOU'RE ADDING 45 NEW FIREMEN AND SIX NEW CAPTAINS AT THE END OF THE DAY.
THE NEXT ONE IS THE MASTER PLAN.
UH, THIS ONE WILL REQUIRE 85 NEW FIREFIGHTERS TO BE HIRED OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS WITH A TOTAL COST 18.2 MILLION OR ALMOST 5 CENTS.
UH, IF YOU LOOKED AT IT JUST DURING THE IMPLEMENTATION PHASE, IT'S 13.4 OR 4.34 CENTS.
AND THEN THE 42 HOUR, UH, THREE PERSON STAFFING WITH NO DUAL COMPANY.
THE ONE WE'VE MOSTLY BEEN TALKING ABOUT, UH, TALKING WITH THE CHIEF BECAUSE OF LEAVES, UH, AND, AND THE, THE ABILITY TO, TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT INSTEAD OF 85, WE'VE REDUCED THAT DOWN TO 75 FOR THE FIVE YEAR IMPLEMENTATION.
UH, THE TOTAL COST AFTER 10 YEARS WOULD BE ALMOST $17 MILLION.
AND AGAIN, ABOUT 4.63 TAX RATE EQUIVALENT 42
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HOURS.IF YOU DID ALSO ADD FOUR PERSON STAFFING, YOU'RE NOW TALKING ABOUT 127 FIREFIGHTERS TO BE HIRED OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
TOTAL 10 YEAR COSTS AT 28.3 MILLION.
THE TAX RATE OF ABOUT 7.72 CENTS.
AND THEN THE MASTER PLAN, IF YOU DID ALL OF IT, YOU DID 42 HOUR SHIFT PLUS DID DEAL COMPANIES AND, UH, DID THE FULL MASTER PLAN.
THAT'S 181 FIREFIGHTERS TO BE HIRED OVER FIVE YEARS.
THE COST OF ABOUT 42.1 MILLION AND 11.49 CENTS ON THE CAP.
ONE THING I DID WANT TO POINT OUT, SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS ONE THE MOST, WHAT DOES THIS REALLY MEAN FOR A CITIZEN? SO FOR A 42 HOUR THREE PERSON SHIFT, A 4.63 CENT TAX RATE, CURRENTLY OUR TAXABLE VALUE ON THE HOME IS 266 3 3 1.
SO THAT'S ABOUT $123 TODAY OF ADDITIONAL COST TO A HOMEOWNER.
OTHER THINGS THAT WE, WE WOULD NEED TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT IN THE FUTURE, BUT THERE'S REALLY NO WAY TO QUANTIFY IS, UH, WE DO ANTICIPATE THAT THERE PROBABLY WOULD BE SOME HEALTH INSURANCE SAVINGS IF YOU WERE HAVING EXTRA DAYS OFF.
UH, WE WOULD HOPE THAT THE HEALTH INSURANCE WOULD START TO TRICKLE THROUGH THAT.
YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU GET 10, 20 YEARS OUT, SPECIFICALLY WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT RETIREES, UH, YOU WOULD, AS WE TALKED ABOUT, WE WOULD HOPE THAT OUR WORKERS' COMPENSATION SHORT TERM DISABILITY CLAIMS WOULD GO DOWN.
AND AS SHE TALKED ABOUT THE FLSA PORTION OF OVERTIME, WE WOULD ANTICIPATE TO GO DOWN BECAUSE OF, OF THE CHANGES TO THE 42 HOUR RATHER THAN 56.
HOWEVER, WE DID NOT QUANTIFY ANY OF THAT FOR THIS PARTICULAR, UH, ANALYSIS.
ONE OTHER THING THAT I WAS ASKED TO TALK ABOUT WAS, YOU KNOW, OTHER FEATURE LEGISLATION MAY IMPACT US INTO THE FUTURE.
THIS IS SOMETHING AS A CITY WE'RE EXTREMELY CONCERNED WITH.
YOU HEAR US TALKING ABOUT SB TWO A LOT, WHICH CAPPED OUR M AND O TAX RATE AT 3.5% OF REVENUE FROM THE PRIOR YEAR.
UH, WHAT I COMPARED TO IN THIS NEXT ANALYSIS WAS WHAT WAS CALLED SB 10.
SB 10 BECAME THIS CLOSE BECOMING LAW ON THE LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION.
AND IT'S KIND OF A WORKING DOCUMENT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO, TO WORK THROUGH TO FIGURE OUT.
AND WHAT IT LOOKED TO DO WAS REDUCE THAT THREE AND A HALF CENTS DOWN TO ONE UH, PERCENT, SO ONLY GOING UP 1% EACH YEAR.
SO OUR REVENUE COULD ONLY INCREASE 1% EACH YEAR.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEY DID TRY TO GET A PUBLIC SAFETY CARVE OUT FOR THIS.
AND THE WAY THAT WOULD WORK WAS IF YOUR PUBLIC SAFETY EXPENDITURES INCREASE, THERE WOULD BE A FACTOR THAT WOULD ALLOW YOU TO GO UP FOR THAT INCREASE PORTION OF THAT WITHOUT GOING TO THE VOTERS.
UM, THERE'S PROS AND CONS TO DOING THAT.
UH, THE PRO WOULD BE IS IN A CITY THAT HAS A LARGE TAX BASE GROWTH AND IS IN A HUGE EXPANSION OF ITS PUBLIC SAFETY, GETTING ABLE TO CAPTURE THAT INCREASED COST AS IT COMES ON WOULD BE BENEFICIAL.
THE BAD PART IS, IS YOU'RE STILL CAPPED WITH THE REST OF THE CITY AT 1%.
SO YOU'RE BASICALLY, NOW, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE CREATING A DISPROPORTIONATE SHARE OF YOUR TAX BASE BECAUSE THERE'S A CARVE OUT FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.
THERE IS NONE FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
THERE IS NONE FOR, UH, STREETS OR ANY OF THE OTHER FACTORS.
SO YOU WILL STILL SEE THAT 1% MOVING FORWARD FOR EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO DISCONTINUE TO PILE ON EXPENDITURES IN PUBLIC SAFETY.
THIS AGAIN, THE CARVE OUT AT THIS TIME WAS JUST THE INCREASED COST, NOT THE COST OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT NOW, BUT THE INCREASED COST.
SO AS YOU GOT TO THAT IMPLEMENTATION PHASE, THAT INCREASED COST WOULD STOP ASSUMING YOU DON'T CONTINUE IT AND THEN YOU'RE JUST ON BASELINE, THAT 1% IS GONNA CATCH UP WITH YOU ANYWAY.
AND THE BIGGEST THING ABOUT THIS BIGGEST ISSUE I HAVE WITH THIS BILL AND SB TWO, IT'S UNEVEN IMPACT ACROSS ALL CITIES.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT US, OUR TAX BASE IS EXTREMELY MODEST TO SEE MESQUITE, ARLINGTON, PASADENA.
THEY'RE PROBABLY OUR BIGGEST COMPARABLES WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR TAX BASE AND HOW LOW IT IS PER CAPITA.
BUT A FRISCO CAP, 3.5% STILL IN EXPANSION, THEY'RE GONNA BE OKAY FOR ABOUT 20, 30 YEARS UNTIL THEY'RE IN OUR SITUATION.
BUT IT CREATED AN UNEVEN PLAYING FIELD OF 3.5% FOR GARLAND.
DOES NOT LOOK LIKE A 3.5% FOR FRISCO.
LOOKS VERY DIFFERENT, LOOKS VERY DIFFERENT THAN PLAN BECAUSE OF OUR MODEST TAX BASE.
WE STARTED WITH A MODEST TAX BASE, SO THERE'S A LOT OF NUMBERS UP HERE AND I'LL WALK THROUGH THESE, BUT WHAT THIS IS DOING IS LOOKING AT 2028
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TO 2037 UNDER CURRENT SB TWO, WHAT OUR TAX BASE WILL MORE THAN LIKELY LOOK LIKE.SO OUR PROPERTY VALUES HISTORICALLY GO UP ABOUT 4.2%.
SO IF WE'RE CAPPED AT THREE AND A HALF, HOW THEY REDUCE YOU TO THAT THREE POINT HALF IS LOWER YOUR TAX RATE.
SO IF WE ASSUME OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS WE'RE GETTING 4.2% INCREASE IN TAX BASE, THIS IS WHAT WE ASSUME OUR TAX RATE WILL DO OVER TIME.
SO YOU CAN SEE 2028 WE'RE ANTICIPATING TO BE ABOUT 0.2791.
IT WILL GO DOWN TO ABOUT 0.2627.
WHAT IF FB 10 WAS IN PLACE WITHOUT A PUBLIC SAFETY CARVE OUT? YOU SEE, WE'RE AT 27.24.
NOW IN 2028, THEY WOULD GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 20 CENTS BY 2000, UH, 37 WITH THE SVT UH, SV 10 CARVE OUT.
AND WHAT I'M ASSUMING HERE IS IF WE PICK THE OPTION OF DOING 42 HOUR SCHEDULE WITH THREE PERSON STAFFING, WHICH YOU'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS IS IN THE FIRST YEARS IT ACTUALLY BENEFITS US 'CAUSE WE'RE INCREASING OUR PUBLIC SAFETY EXPENDITURES SUBSTANTIALLY BECAUSE WE'RE ADDING 75 FIREFIGHTERS.
BUT EVENTUALLY THE 1% CATCHES UP WITH YOU WHEN YOU GET TO IMPLEMENTATION AND YOU'RE DOWN 4 CENTS FOR FOUR AND A HALF CENTS FROM WHERE YOU WERE WITH SB TWO.
THAT'S $19 MILLION OF ADDITIONAL MONEY THAT WE WOULD LOSE UNDER, UNDER THE 1% PUBLIC SAFETY CAR VALUE OF KEEPING IN MIND.
THAT'S ON TOP OF THE NUMBERS THAT WE ALREADY SHOWED YOU.
WE LOSE 4 CENTS HERE, PLUS, UH, THE PLUS ANOTHER 4.63 THERE.
SO WE HAVE, THE GIST OF THAT IS THAT WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGES THROUGH THE LEGISLATION THAT WE NEED TO ATTACK.
AND WHAT I WOULD OFFER UP IS, ONE OF OUR BIGGEST THINGS STARTING NOW IS GETTING IN FRONT OF OUR LEGISLATURE TO TRY TO EXPLAIN THIS WELL, FROM A PUBLIC SAFETY STANDPOINT, YES, BUT FROM A CITY AS A WHOLE STANDPOINT.
'CAUSE AGAIN, OUR MODEST TAX BASE IS AN UNEVEN PLAYING FIELD CAP IN THE CITY OF GARLAND AT 1% COMPARED TO CAPTAIN OF BRISCOE OR A PLAY.
IT'S JUST NOT THE SAME NUMBERS.
AND SO THAT'S GONNA BE OUR NEXT BIG FIGHT AS WE MOVE INTO THE NEXT LEGISLATIVE SESSION.
BUT A 1% CAP MEAN WE'RE ALREADY TALKING ABOUT NEEDING A THREE PLUS CENT SHIFT FROM OUR DEBT SERVICE TO OUR OM AND WE ANTICIPATE UNDER SB TWO IN FIVE YEARS WE'LL NEED TO DO SOMETHING SIMILAR AND, WHICH IS FINE, THAT'S WHAT THEY WANTED THROUGH THE, THE, THE, THE LEGISLATION.
WE WILL MAKE, MAKE DO TRY TO DO THE SHIFTS AND DO AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
BUT A 1% CAP REALLY HANDCUFFING US.
SO OUR NEXT BIG FIGHT IS TO TRY TO COMBAT THAT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, LET ALONE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH PUBLIC SAFETY.
I KNOW I WENT THROUGH THAT FAST, BUT WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
AND THAT'S ON THE, UM, THE STAFFING AND THE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HIRING.
WHAT IS THE, UH, THE ACTUAL ADMIN FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE, PETE, WHEN YOU'RE COUNTING FIREFIGHTER BAT ITALIAN CHIEFS DRIVERS, HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE YOU CONSIDERING IN THE OFFICE? THIS IS JUST OPERATIONAL.
THE ONLY THING WE WERE CONSUMING WAS OPERATIONAL HIRES.
SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT ALL THESE SCENARIOS, THESE HIRES ARE JUST FOR THE OPERATIONS SIDE.
WE'RE NOT TAKING IT TO, TO COUNT THE ENTIRE DEPARTMENT.
NO, BUT FOR AS FAR AS TOTAL PERSONNEL, YOU'RE BRINGING UP, YOU KNOW, SALARY OR WHATEVER, UH, THIS COST, YOU STILL HAVE THE COST OF PEOPLE IN THE OFFICE.
SO WITH, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE FIGURING BUDGET AND COST AND EVERYTHING ELSE, I DON'T HOW MANY PE HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE IN THE FIRE MARSHAL OFFICE AND THEN AND ADMIN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TOTAL FIRE DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, SALARY, TIME CHANGE.
WHAT IS THERE, 2 85 TOTAL? THAT'S, THAT'S INCLUDING INSPECTORS AND EVERYONE.
I LEFT EVERYTHING AT 30 BARREL.
UH, THAT'S, THAT'S HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE ON STAFF RIGHT NOW.
IT'S 30 BETWEEN TRAINS, BOARD, FIRE MARSHALS AND DOCUMENTED CIVILIAN POSITIONS.
UM, WHETHER IT BE ANY GREASES IN THE STAFF AS FAR AS INSPECTORS, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW.
THERE, THERE COULD BE BASED ON WHATEVER IS HAPPENING,
THIS PROGRAM IS JUST LOOKING AT THE OPERATIONS SCHEDULE AND THE OPERATIONS STAFF.
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WELL, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I WOULD HAVE IS, UM, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE BUDGET ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THAT SOME OF THESE SCENARIOS WITH, UM, HOW DOES THIS RELATE TO BUDGET IF SOME OF THESE LOOK LIKE THEY'RE ARE 20% OR GREATER THAN THE THAN BUDGET? DO YOU HAVEI CAN TELL YOU, UH, THAT THE 42 3 PERSON STAFFING IS 16 OR $17 MILLION.
THAT'S BASICALLY THE ENTIRE PARTS DEPARTMENT AND CULTURAL ARTS DEPARTMENT TOGETHER.
THE TOTAL, UH, GENERAL FUND, UH, ADOPTED BUDGET FOR THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR IS 257.2 MILLION.
UM, TOTAL GENERAL FUND BUDGET, THAT'S ALL OUR GENERAL FUND DEPARTMENTS.
POLICE, FIRE, ALL OUR DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENTS, PARKS AND CULTURAL ARTS.
UM, SO AS MATT SAID, THE ROUGHLY 17 MILLION, UM, FOR THE 10 YEAR COST FOR THE 42 HOUR THREE PERSON STAFFINGS, ROUGHLY THE PARKS DEPARTMENT AND THE CULTURAL ARTS DEPARTMENT.
IF YOU WERE TO MOVE TO THE MOST COSTLY, UH, PROPOSAL ON THIS SLIDE OF THE COST OVER 10 YEARS FOR THE 42 HOUR PLUS THE MASTER PLAN AT 42 MILLION, UH, THAT WOULD BE THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, CULTURAL ARTS DEPARTMENT, SPECIAL EVENT DEPARTMENT, TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT, UH, BUILDING INSPECTION, DEPARTMENT CODE DEPARTMENT, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL COMPLIANCE AND LIBRARY.
THE EQUIVALENT OF ALL OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS.
ANNUAL OPERATING BUDGETS COMBINED TO EQUAL THAT, JUST TO PUT IT IN ROUGH MAGNITUDE OF, UH, ALL OF THESE DEPARTMENTS HAVE A DIFFERENT OPERATIONAL FOOTPRINT, BUT THEY ALL MAKE UP THE GENERAL FUND AND ARE COMPETING FOR THE SAME ANNUAL RESOURCES.
UM, AND I KNOW IT'LL PROBABLY BE ASKED, UH, UH, THERE WAS TALK EARLIER ON, BUT WE DID NO TAX RATE AND IT WAS EMS FEE FOR $17 MILLION.
THAT EMS FEE WOULD NEED TO BE ROUGHLY $15 HIGHER.
IT'S CURRENTLY AT $2 AND 50 CENTS.
AND THIS IS ALSO BASED ON RETAINING THE AMBULANCE SERVICE BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
WE DID NOT LOOK AT ANY, ANY TRANSITION FROM TRANSPORT.
MATT, IF WE INCREASE THE EMS FEE BY $15, UM, WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE AS FAR AS VOTE LIKE? WOULD IT HAVE TO GO TO THE VOTERS OR WOULD IT BE CONSIDERED A MAX? IT MORE THAN LIKELY WOULD NOT HAVE TO GO TO, IT DOES NOT HAVE TO GO TO THE VOTERS, UH, BY LAW.
UH, BUT IT WOULD BASIC, IT WOULD ADD ANOTHER LAYER OF, UH, ISSUES FOR THE LEGISLATION.
I MEAN WE, YOU KNOW, WE JUST WENT THROUGH THE MD PATHWAYS.
THINK WITH $6, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 15.
BUT THE POLITICAL CONCERNS THAT Y'ALL WOULD'VE TO DEAL WITH IS THE ONLY THING THAT, AND THEN FROM A LEGISLATIVE STANDPOINT OF THIS IS THE, THE EM MSS FEES AND BRACKET LEGISLATION AND THE ONLY TWO INDIVIDUALS IN THE STATE OR CITIES IN THE STATE THAT CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT RIGHT NOW ARE IRVING AND, UH, GARLAND AND IRVING I BELIEVE IS AT A DOLLAR 50 AND WE'RE AT TWO 50.
I'LL SAY, I WOULD NOT BE OPPOSED TO INCREASING THE EMS BE THAT $15 ADDITIONAL, WOULD THAT BE FOR THE TOP TIER OR FOR WHAT TIER WOULD THAT GET US OUT? THE O2 THREE PERSON? I, YEAH, I MEAN, I, I WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED TO IT.
UM, BUT CHIEF, I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU ON THIS GAINESVILLE COMPARISON.
UM, SO GAINESVILLE HAS A POPULATION OF 150,000.
WE HAVE A POPULATION OF 250,000.
WE HAVE EIGHT STATIONS, WE HAVE 11.
UM, WHEN YOU DO THE MATH, THEIR EIGHT STATION IS IT, THAT COVERS ROUGHLY ALMOST SIX PEOPLE.
IF YOU DO THE MATH ON OURS, IT'S 5.79.
SO THAT SAYS THAT WE'RE STILL EXTREMELY SHORT PEOPLE FROM SOMEONE THAT'S RUNNING EIGHT STATIONS.
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THAT'S ANOTHER CONCERN.'CAUSE IF WE HAD ADDITIONAL PEOPLE STAFF, THAT'S ALSO GONNA HELP YOUR, THE INSERTION THAT YOU'RE PUTTING OUT WHILE YOU'RE WORKING, IT TAKES THE LOAD OFF.
SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT OUR COMPARISONS ARE, ARE A LITTLE CLOSER.
DOES GAINESVILLE OR YEAH, GAINESVILLE, DO THEY RUN THEIR OWN AMBULANCE? SO THEY'RE DOING A FOUR SHIFT WITH THE SAME NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WE ARE AND OR THAT WE WOULD IF WE WERE WITH OUR CURRENT STAFFING WITHOUT DOING THEIR OWN AMBULANCE? WILL YOU HAVE TALKED TO LUKE A BIT ABOUT THAT CAPACITY? ALRIGHT, UM, WE, YOU, YOU ARE CORRECT.
WE NEED 327 PEOPLE TO DO WHAT WE DO TODAY, AND WE'RE DOING IT WITH 2 85.
AND, AND THAT IS USING 92.5 AVERAGE.
AND OUR NUMBER DIVIDED INTO OUR NUMBER OF CALLS, 327 SWORN FIREFIGHTERS.
AND, AND WE'RE NOT THE ONLY ONES THAT ARE LEADING.
I DON'T WANT, I DON'T WANT Y'ALL TO THINK THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S COMING IN THERE AND SAYING THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S GETTING ROBBED EVEN LESS.
POLICE DEPARTMENT'S, SHORT PEOPLE.
PEOPLE, STREETS IS SHORT, PEOPLE, PARKS IS SHORT.
PEOPLE, THE CITY RUNS VERY, VERY, VERY LEAN.
I THINK ANYBODY IN HERE KNOWS THAT POLICE, OUR MISSION IS TO TRY TO GET TO A POINT FOR TAKING BETTER CARE OF THESE, THESE FIREFIGHTERS WHO SIT OVER HERE, THE OTHERS THAT ARE OUT THERE IN THE FIELD WORKING TODAY AND ALL THE OTHERS THAT ARE AT HOME TRYING TO RECOVER TODAY, UH, WITH A CLOSER TO 40 HOUR WORK.
AND IT, AND IT TAKES A LOT OF RESOURCES.
AND, AND WHEN WE LOOK AT THE PERCENTAGES, UM, YES, SHE'S GONNA WORK ON THE PERCENTAGE ONE, UM, SPEAKER.
REALLY, NOBODY CAN TIES BACK, BE ABLE TO, IT LOOKS VERY DOCTOR WHERE NOBODY CAN READ IT.
SO, UM, PERCENTAGE OF THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET TODAY IN OUR COMPARATIVE CITIES, AND, AND I'M USING THE COMPARISON THAT, UM, WE USE FOR SALARIES THAT, THAT COMPARE MARKET, THE AVERAGE PERCENT OF THE CITY'S GENERAL FUND BUDGET OF THOSE CITIES THAT DO EMS TRANSPORTS IS 22.8%.
THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IN GHANA IS 18.65% OF THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THESE NUMBERS, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THAT TAKES US TO, UH, I HOPE IT WOULD BE CLOSER TO 22 POINT A AND THEY'RE GONNA DO IT ON THREE SHIFTS AND WE'RE GONNA DO IT ON FOUR.
AND THOSE GUYS ARE STILL GONNA WORK THEIR TAILS OFF AND BE HAD AN EXTRA DAY OF RECOVERY.
UM, AND THAT FOURTH SHIFT HELPS COVER SOME OF THAT, THAT CAPACITY THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, THAT 327 FIREFIGHTERS, THAT'S 42 MORE, UH, THAN WHAT WE HAVE TODAY TO DO WHAT WE DO TODAY.
UH, WITH, WITH THE INCREASES IN THE POWER VOLUMES AND EVERYTHING ELSE, WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD THE SYSTEM OUT FOR LONGEVITY, LONGEVITY OF THE SYSTEM, FINANCIAL SUSTAINABILITY THAT, THAT MATT AND ALLISON ARE WORTH PUTTING TAILS OFF TO FIGURE THIS OUT.
UM, WE JUST GOTTA FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO IT.
AND I KNOW IT'S A BIG THING TO ASK.
YEAR PERCENT, THE 42 HOUR THIRD BIG PERSON STAFFING WOULD MAKE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT 25% OF TOTAL GENERAL FUND.
SO 3% OF ABOVE THE AVERAGE, MORE IN LINE WITH
SO YOU'RE SAYING WE NEED 327, WHICH IS 42 MORE POSITIONS, BUT IN ON THAT CHART IT SHOWS THAT WE NEED 85 70 75, 75 FOR 4 42 HOUR THREE PERSON STAFFING NEED 75.
THE 3 27 IS TO RUN 31,000 CALLS, TAKES 327 FIRE.
WOULD THIS BE COVERING THAT IN THAT 75, 75 WOULD TAKE US TO IT GONE 3 360.
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SO IT TAKES US TO 360, WHICH IS MORE THAN ENOUGH TO COVER THE 31,000 HAL IF WE'RE MAKING TODAY.BUT MINIMALLY STAFF AROUND THE CITY WILL TAKE 75 ADDITIONAL FIREFIGHTERS TO, TO MAKE THE FOURTH SHIFT.
UH, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW OUR, OUR SHIFTS ARE SET UP AT EIGHT, FIVE TO PERSON NEED HAVE FOURTH SHIFT.
SO WE ALL WORK WITH EIGHT FIVE VACATION TIME COMES DOWN FOR, FOR THE FIREFIGHTERS RIGHT NOW, A A MAXED OUT VACATION EARNING IS 10 SHIFTS, WHICH IS A MONTH OF FOUR WEEKS IF YOU WILL.
UM, UNDER A 42 HOUR WORK WEEK, YOU WORK SEVEN AND A HALF SHIFTS PER MONTH.
SO YOU PICK UP TWO AND A HALF SHIFTS OF PEOPLE AVAILABLE TO WORK.
THIS IS ASSUMING A ONE PERSON DROP OR ONE SHIFT DROP IN SICK TIME PER PERSON.
I THINK IT'D BE MORE THAN THAT.
BUT WE'RE GONNA WIND UP WITH 75 MORE PEOPLE WITH LEAD TIME AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
WE CAN MAKE THIS THING WORK BEFORE SHIFT WITH THREE PERSON STAFF THE WAY THAT WE'RE STAFFED TODAY.
WELL, DIDN'T ALSO, THE MASTER PLAN ALONG WITH THESE EXTRA POSITIONS INCLUDE MORE FIRE APPARATUS? YES, ABSOLUTELY.
THE MASTER PLAN TAKES US TO FOUR PERSON STAFFING ON AERIAL APPARATUS AND THREE PERSON STAFFING ON ENGINES.
AND THEN IT ADDS FIVE DUAL COMPANIES.
AND SO IF WE DID OUR TRUCK HOUSES TODAY, WELL, THE MASTER PLAN SAID IT WOULD BE TRUCK THREE, TRUCK SEVEN, TRUCK FIVE, AND TRUCK NINE WOULD ALL BE FOUR PERSON STAFF.
RESCUE EIGHT WOULD BECOME A STAFF UNIT UNDER THE MASTER PLAN.
SO YOU'RE ADDING FIVE COMPANIES, 75 PEOPLE TO, TO GET TO THE MASTER PLAN.
UM, AND THEN IN THE MASTER PLAN WITH GO COMPANIES, YOU GOT ABOUT FIVE MORE ENGINES TO YOUR FLEET.
UM, AND WE, WE, WE PLOTTED ALL THAT OUT ON A 10 YEAR PLAN.
UH, THEN WHEN WE REALIZED THAT THE 75 PEOPLE IS GOING TO BE IMPOSSIBLE, UH, WE ARE NOT ACQUIRING THE ADDITIONAL ENGINES RIGHT NOW WE HAVE ONE ON ORDER, SO IT WILL REPLACE THE NEXT REPLACEMENT.
AND THE MASTER PLAN WAS A 10 YEAR PLAN.
IT WAS NOT, LET'S JUMP ON THIS AND DO IT TODAY.
WHEN WAS THE MASTER PLAN WRITTEN? THREE YEARS', SAY 23, ABOUT SEVEN YEARS.
IF YOU CAN FIND THE MONEY, UH, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU MATT AND ALLISON.
I I HAVE LEARNED OVER THE YEARS THAT THE NUMBERS YOU PUT ON THE SCREEN, YOU KNOW THEM BACKWARDS AND FORWARDS.
AND I, AND I HAVE NO QUESTION AS TO THEIR VALIDITY IN IN YOUR PROJECTIONS.
UH, YOU KNOW WHAT, AND I, AND I THINK I CAUTIONED EVERYBODY IN THE, IN THE VERY FIRST MEETING WE HAD, AND I'M GONNA THROW THAT BACK OUT THERE AGAIN, AND IT WAS MENTIONED, I'M NOT SURE WHAT PAGE, UM, WHAT I, IF YOU LOOK AT THE LEGISLATIVE SESSIONS OVER THE LAST THREE TO FOUR, THEY HAVE DOUBLED DOWN EACH SESSION ON HAMMERING MUNICIPALITIES.
AND THAT IS NOT GOING TO STOP ANY TIME IN THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE.
OKAY? I'M JUST TELLING YOU THAT'S, THAT'S NOT JUST, THAT'S NOT A TREND AT THIS POINT.
THAT IS, UH, THAT IS A WAY OF BUSINESS.
OKAY? SO WHAT WHAT WORRIES ME ABOUT ALL THIS IS WE HAVE TO INSULATE OURSELVES.
WE HAVE TO INSULATE OURSELVES AGAINST THAT.
AND, AND, AND THE FURTHER WE GET OUT ON THE EDGE, THE CLOSER WE'RE GONNA GET TO GETTING HAMMERED BY THESE PEOPLE.
AND YOU TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SO OPTIMISTICALLY OF GETTING IN FRONT OF OUR LEGISLATIVE, IT'S A HELL MARY, BUT YOU GOTTA THROW IT.
UH, OUR, WE, WE CANNOT, WE CANNOT COUNT ON LEGISLATIVE ASSISTANCE.
I'M JUST TELLING YOU OUR HOUSE REPRESENTATION IN THE UPPER CHAMBER.
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IS WE HAVE TO BE CONSCIOUS AND WE HAVE TO BE PREPARED FOR WHAT COMES OUT EVERY TWO YEARS.AND AGAIN, THE THE CURRENT TREND IS, IS IS GONNA RUN UNABATED FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE.
AND, AND THAT, THAT'S THE PART THAT WORRIES ME THE MOST ABOUT ALL THIS.
AND, AND NOT JUST THIS, BUT JUST CITY OPERATIONS, MUNICIPAL OPERATIONS IN GENERAL.
UM, WE ARE GONNA KEEP TAKING THE BEATING AND, AND OUR, OUR SLIVER IS GONNA GET SMALLER AND SMALLER AND SMALLER, AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIGHT HARDER AND HARDER AND HARDER JUST TO BREAK EVEN ON SOME OF THIS STUFF.
SO I JUST WANT US TO BE VERY CAUTIOUS, UH, AS WE MOVE FORWARD FOR WHAT, WHAT WE CAN PULL OFF THIS YEAR.
I'M NOT SURE WE CAN PULL OFF THREE YEARS FROM NOW.
AND, AND SO THAT, THAT IS, THAT IS MY, YOU KNOW, I'VE WATCHED THESE PEOPLE OPERATE FOR A LONG TIME AND, AND THAT JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN, YOU CAN THROW OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, THE, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT THEY WILL ALWAYS SUPPORT PUBLIC SAFETY AND THAT'S TRUE TO A CONVERTING, BUT IF IT IS IN CONFLICT WITH A LEGISLATIVE PRIORITY, IT WILL NOT MAKE, IT WILL NOT MAKE IT.
AND WHAT WILL MAKE IT WILL BE A SHADOW OF WHAT WENT IN.
UH, I HATE TO BE ON AND I'M, YOU FOLKS HAVE KNOWN ME FOR A LONG TIME.
I'M NOT A DOOM AND GLOOM PERSON.
I AM PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST, YOU KNOW, RIDICULOUSLY ENTHUSIASTIC PEOPLE ABOUT CITY GOVERNMENT AS YOU'LL EVER FIND.
AND AND THAT IS, THAT WORRIES ME THAT THAT WORRIED ME WHEN I WAS IN OFFICE AND IT CONTINUES TO WORRY ME AFTER.
AND SO I JUST, WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO KEEP THAT IN MY, WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE FINDING A BILL.
UM, AND THE GOOD OF THE WORLD IS NOT NECESSARILY
AND THAT THE 1% IS JUST ONE BILL.
THERE'S OTHER BILLS THAT THEY ARE SIGNIFICANTLY LOOKING AT TRYING TO IMPACT THE DEBT SERVICE SIDE.
UH, OUR FINANCIAL STRATEGY WAS TO ISSUE SHORT TERM DEBT TO FUND OUR STREETS.
IF THAT BILL WOULD'VE PASSED, WE WOULD'VE LOST 14 CENTS IMMEDIATELY OFF OUR TAX CREDIT.
THEY'RE ALSO ATTACKING GENERAL FUND TRANSFERS FROM UTILITIES.
SO THERE'S A MULTITUDE OF TACTICS THEY'RE TRYING TO TAKE.
AND THEN BACK TO THE EMS FEE, WANTED TO THROW OUT ONE THING.
SO THAT $15 WOULD REQUIRE A HOMEOWNER TO PAY $180 A YEAR TAX RATE INCREASE WOULD BE $80.
SO THE TAX RATE INCREASE WOULD BE HITTING BUSINESSES AT A HIGHER PROPORTION AND SHARE THAN THE RESIDENCE DO.
BUSINESSES DON'T PAY THAT EMS FEE.
THEY WILL, BUT EVERYONE'S PAYING IT FLAT.
THEY'RE NOT PAYING BASED OFF THE VALUE OF THEIR PROPERTY.
SOMEBODY THAT HAS A $50,000 HOUSE IS GONNA PAY JUST NOT JUST THEM IN THREE IN IT HOUSE.
AND IT IS, SCOTT, I COMPLETELY HEAR YOU.
AND AND THAT'S WHY ONE OF OUR NUMBER ONE LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES IS, IS WATCHING THAT, YOU KNOW, SB 10 SHUT EVERYTHING OUT DOWN FOR US.
AND, AND EVERYTHING WE PUT INTO BIDEN WAS PUT TO SB 10.
AND WE'RE ALREADY HAVING TALKS WITH A, WITH A, A CARVE OUT.
AND THE CURRENT CARVE OUT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS FOR SALARIES, FOR PUBLIC SAFETY AND A DEFINITION OF WHAT PUBLIC SAFETY IS BECAUSE WE ALREADY SEE, WE'RE ALREADY SEEING SIMPLY SHIFT AND WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND SHIFT ANIMAL CONTROL INTO THIS DEPARTMENT.
WE'RE GONNA SHIFT THIS INTO THIS IN THE DISTRICT DEPARTMENT.
SUDDENLY ALL OF OUR, OUR WASTE MANAGEMENT TRUCKS ARE READ.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT THE DEFINITION OF THAT IS.
BUT, BUT THEIR SALARIES BE EXEMPTED FROM THAT SALARY CAP WITH, AND, AND WE'RE GETTING TRACTION WITH THAT BECAUSE IT IS FOCUSED ON THE PUBLIC SAFETY AND HAVING THE SAME CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD HERE OVER THE LAST SEVEN MONTHS OF WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN THAT WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN THE SALARIES, WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN THE STAFFING.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE INCREASED RUN VOLUMES BY 400% OVER THE LAST 15 YEARS, BUT OUR STAFFING HAST GONE BUT, BUT 11%, YOU KNOW, SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE HEARING THOSE THINGS FROM US ON A CONSTANT BASIS.
AND, AND I WOULD HOPE THAT ANY OTHER BILL THAT WOULD COME IN THIS NEXT, UH, UH, SESSION WOULD, WOULD EITHER HAVE IT WRITTEN INTO IT OR AN AMENDMENT ADDED TO IT VERY QUICKLY TO, TO CREATE THAT CARVE OUT.
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UP ON, UH, WHAT MAYOR MAY SAID, UM, CAN YOU REMIND US ABSENT SENATE BILL TWO, HOW MUCH MORE MONEY WOULD WE HAVE EVERY YEAR IN THE GENERAL FUND? 20 MILLION.20 MILLION TO THIS AND 30 $30 MILLION AND, AND, AND UNDER SENATE BILL TOO, HOW MANY MILLION DOLLARS SHORT ARE WE EVERY YEAR? AND HOW MUCH MORE, HOW FAR DO WE ROLL BACKWARDS EVERY YEAR? 5 MILLION.
SO EVERY YEAR A MILLION DEFICIT, 5 MILLION MORE SOFT.
ALSO CAUTION, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT GENERAL FUND COMPARISONS, UH, I THINK CHIEF PROBABLY, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT ADDING ENVIRONMENT, NEED TO FOCUS ON COST PER CALL BECAUSE GENERAL FUNDS ARE NOT ALL THE SAME.
YOU LOOK AT THE GENERAL FUND, WE HAVE A LANDFILL, IT'S IN OUR GENERAL FUND, SO THAT AUTOMATICALLY ADDS ANOTHER NINE, $10 MILLION CHARGE GENERAL FUND, WHICH IS A PROFIT CENTER FOR US, BUT IT'S ADDING TO THE EXPENDITURES.
SO I, I WOULD ALSO CAUTION AGAINST LOOKING AT HOW MUCH PERCENTAGE OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT IS, BUT LOOK AT SOME OTHER METRIC THAT IS APPLES TO APPLES TO FIRE DEPARTMENTS.
RIGHT HERE, THE AVERAGE IS 2080 $2 ON COST PER CALL IS 1524, $500 CALL DIFFERENCE, 30,000.
WE'RE NOT GOOD AS DEVELOPERS, BUT WE TRY ACROSS THE METROPLEX MORE CITIES THAT WE CAN DO COMPARED TO ANALYSIS.
MATT, ONE JUST TO, GOING TO REMIND US OF IF WE HAD THE SAME AVERAGE PER CAPITA TAX BASE, SO THE OTHER CITIES IN THE METROPLEX, HOW MUCH MORE WOULD WE HAVE IN OUR GENERAL FUND? $90 MILLION.
AND THAT'S WHY I KNOW IT'S A HAIL MARY FROM, BUT THAT'S WHY THE NEXT LEGISLATIVE SESSION, OUR OUR ATTACK IS GOING TO BE YOU CREATED A BILL THAT, THAT, UH, CREATED WINNERS AND LOSERS.
BUT IT SHOULD BE LOOKING AT WHAT IS THE AVERAGE PER CAPITAL PROPERTY TAX AND SAY WHATEVER THE PERCENTAGE, IF YOU WERE UP TO 85% OF THAT, YEAH, OKAY, WE'LL TAKE THE 1%, BUT LET US GET THERE.
HOW WOULD WE DO THAT, MATT? WE WOULD NEED SOME HELP.
AND WE WOULD HAVE TO DO, UM, A LOT OF, UH, NEGOTIATING AND PLAYING FRIENDLY.
A LOT OF WHISKEY AND COWBOY HATS.
LOOKS WE HAVE VERY LARGE ONE DOWNTOWN WHISKEY AND THE, SOME OF THE PROPOSALS FROM THE LEGISLATURE NOW TO REPLACE A SALES TAX WITH OUR PROPERTY TAX TO SALES TAX.
WOULD THAT IMPROVE OUR POSITION OR WORSE THAN OUR POSITION? WORSE THAN OUR POSITION.
I MEAN, THERE'S THAT, THERE'S THE DOUBLE NICKEL FROM, UH, OUR, UH, OUR LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR LIEUTENANT, WHICH WE'VE REDUCED HOME, YOU KNOW, HOMESTEAD EXCEPTION FROM 65 TO 55, WHICH WOULD HAVE SUBSTANTIAL IMPACTS.
I MEAN, THERE'S, THE LIST JUST GOES ON AND ON.
UM, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY YOU JUST HAVE TO PLAY DEFENSE AGAINST WHAT'S, WHAT'S RISING TO THE TOP ANY GIVEN YEAR AND HOPE YOU CAN GET SOMEBODY WITH POWER TO CARRY ON YOUR BILLS.
AND RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE THAT.
THE SOBERING REALITY, LOTS OF FUN THAT THANK YOU IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE STRESS AND ANXIETY WHEN YOU WALKED IN THE DOOR.
WELL COMMITTEE, A LOT TO DIGEST.
WE GOTTA MAKE A, WE NEED TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
UM, THERE QUESTIONS WE NEED TO GET ANSWERED.
ARE THERE DETAILS NEED WE HAVE ALSO, UH, WE NEED TO THINK WHAT OUR LAST TWO MEETINGS ARE GOING TO BE.
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WE HAVE IT POSTED RIGHT NOW IS, UH, WE HAVE APRIL THE EIGHTH FOR PUBLIC COMMUNICATION AND COMMUNITY SUPPORT AND THEN MAY 13TH, THIS IMPLEMENTATION OPTION AND DISCUSSION.AND, UM, THERE'S UH, THERE'S BEEN SOME TALK, UH, UH, CHANGING THAT AROUND JUST A LITTLE BIT TO DISPERT FINAL RECOMMENDATIONS MAY 13TH AND THEN, UH, THEN IMPLEMENTATION OPTIONS FOR A 48.
UM, ONE OF THE, UH, THE THOUGHTS THAT WE HAVE WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO THE, I MEAN, ARE WE GOING TO GONNA BE DECIDING BETWEEN AN A, B, CB? UH, IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AS FAR AS WHEN, WHEN WE MAKE A RECOMMEND, WHEN THIS COMMITTEE MAKES A RECOMMENDATION? ARE WE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A, THERE'S, HERE'S A, HERE'S B, HERE'S C IS THAT WHAT WE'RE, I THINK WE SHOULD, UH, WE SHOULD FOCUS IT DOWN TO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WHETHER WE'RE TALK, TALKING ABOUT IMPROVING, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT IMPROVING THE, IF WE CAN'T, UH, IF WE NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT IS A LONG TERM GOAL AND A SHORT TERM GOAL, I REALLY THINK WE SHOULD BE FOCUSING ON THOSE TWO THINGS.
THE SHORT TERM GOAL IS, IS IT POSSIBLE TO, UH, TO IMPLEMENT A 42 HOUR WORK WEEK FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND, AND ONE OF THOSE, UH, AND IF THE, IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S LONG TERM, THAT'S SOMETHING, IF WE CAN GET RELIEF IN THE, IN THE LEGISLATURE, SOMETHING ALONG, IF WE HAVE CERTAIN METRICS THAT CAN BE MET, WE CAN MEET THOSE, UH, THOSE THINGS.
BUT IN THE SHORT TERM, WHAT CAN WE DO TO MAKE A MEANINGFUL IMPROVEMENT FOR OUR FIREFIGHTERS IN THE SHORT TERM, IF ANYTHING? SO WE HAVE, UH, WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT WE HAVE 285 FIREFIGHTERS RIGHT NOW, AND THEY, YOU'RE ASKING IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE 327 IF IT WAS A PERFECT WORLD RIGHT NOW TO FUNCTION, WOULD THAT BE CORRECT? LAST YEAR, YEAR BEFORE.
WHAT'S RIGHT NOW? UH, 75 MORE OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
ANY 42 HOUR WORK WEEK? YES SIR.
MATT, CAN YOU COME BACK WITH NUMBERS ON WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF WE WERE JUST TO GET TO 75 MORE? THAT'S WHAT THIS OKAY, I DON'T PAY ATTENTION.
AND REFRESH OUR MEMORIES OF HOW MUCH IS THAT FOR AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD INCREASE IN TAXES AS OF TODAY'S VALUE AT 206 TAXABLE VALUE AT 266 THOUSAND'S.
BUT IT WILL INCREASE OVER TIME.
'CAUSE AGAIN, I'M TRYING TO FUND 10 YEARS WORTH OF THIS FOR THE SUSTAINABILITY PORTION.
SO THAT 80, YOUR VALUE INCREASES 4.2%, IT'S GONNA, IN MY ASSUMPTIONS, IT'S GONNA GO UP AND THAT WOULD, UH, THAT WOULD PUT US AT THE HIGHEST TAX RATE MORE THAN LIKELY IN METROPLEX.
AND THAT AFFECTS NEW DEVELOPMENTS, REDEVELOPMENT, UH, DECISION MAKING, SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE.
AND HOW SUSTAINABLE IS THAT FOR US GOING FORWARD? AGAIN, UNDER SB TWO, WE ARE ALREADY, UM, SUSTAINABLE FIVE, WE'RE LOSING $5 MILLION A YEAR.
WE ARE, A GAME PLAN RIGHT NOW IS TO BUILD RESERVES TO OFFSET THAT.
IF VOTERS DON'T APPROVE, WE'RE GOING TO A, THE VOTERS FOR A SHIFT OF ROUGHLY 3 CENTS IN NOVEMBER.
WE LIKELY WILL NEED TO DO ANOTHER 3 CENTS IN FIVE YEARS.
THE HOPE WOULD BE FOR THAT TO BE A SHIFT.
IT CAN'T BE GUARANTEED AT THIS TIME, HAD A LARGE CAPITAL PROGRAM, WE WOULD HAVE TO WAIT FOR DEBT SERVICE TO PULL OFF.
UH, SO THE UNCERTAINTY IS ALREADY THERE.
IF THE LEGISLATURE DOES SOMETHING AMPLIFIES THAT SIGNIFICANTLY.
IS COLA A PART OF OUR DEBT SERVICE? UH, YES.
AND HOW MUCH OF THAT DOES THAT, HOW MUCH DID COLA TAKE UP, UM, OF OUR DEBT SERVICE? IT WAS $130 MILLION DEBT ISSUANCE AND PAID OFF OVER 20 YEARS AND WE JUST DID THAT WITHIN LAST YEAR.
SO MATTHEW, CAN YOU GO TO SLIDE OR WHOEVER'S JOHN'S CLICKING GO TO SLIDE 20 BACK TO THE OPTIONS.
I MEAN, IF YOU START AT THE TOP AND THERE'S FIVE A, B, C, D-E-D-N-E DO NOT SEEM DNE DO NOT SEEM
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FEASIBLE.AND SO, YOU KNOW, IF IF WE'RE, I MEAN, I THINK, I THINK THOSE, MY OPINION COULD BE ELIMINATED FROM THE LIST OF CHOICES MAYBE, YOU KNOW, DO YOU, I MEAN THEY JUST, YOU KNOW, THE REACH IS TOO, TOO FAR.
UM, SO DOES THAT, WOULD THAT PUT US IN A CHOICE OF THE TOP THREE? IS THAT WHAT, WHEN WE, WHEN WE GET DOWN TO THE AGREE GRITTY, I WOULD AGREE THERE'S THAT ALL IN FAVOR OF A ALL IN FAVOR OF, BUT WHY ARE WE PUTTING THE FIRST TWO IN THERE? THERE'S STILL 56 HOUR WORK WEEKS.
I MEAN, WE'RE NOT GONNA, IF WE'RE NOT GONNA CHANGE OUT A 56 HOUR WORK WEEK, RIGHT.
WHY ARE WE HAVING A DISCUSSION? SO I I SEE AS A SINGLE OPTION IF YOU DON'T SEE DNE AS A POSSIBILITY, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT I DON'T SEE WHY WE DISCUSS ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN A 42 HOUR WORK WEEK.
AND, AND, AND IT'S ON THE CONTINGENCY THAT THE VOTERS APPROVE A TAX RELEASE.
AND I, AND I, AND I THINK OUR FIREFIGHTERS UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS CHANGE IT, THERE'S NO MONEY IN THE BUDGET TO FIND, TO SHIFT TO, I MEAN, WE CAN CLOSE DOWN PARKS, YOU WE'LL MOW THE YARD, UH, YOU KNOW, PARK DIDN'T MEAN THAT IT WAS A JOKE, BUT WE KNOW THAT WE CAN'T FIND THAT, THAT THAT'S IN THE BUDGET.
THERE'S NO SHIFTING TO BE DONE.
SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, LET US GO TO THE VOTERS.
IT'S ASKED FOR FOUR $80, 4.63 CENTS TO FUND THIS TRANSITION.
I THINK THE BIG THING IS TALKING ABOUT WHAT DOES THAT IMPLEMENTATION LOOK LIKE? YOU KNOW, WHAT IS IT OVER THE FIVE YEARS, WHEN DO WE GO FOR THAT TAX RATE INCREASE? ARE WE ASKING FOR ALL OF IT AT ONE TIME? ARE WE DOING AN IMPLEMENTATION OR WHAT HAVE YOU? YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE SAFER GRANTS, YOU KNOW, THAT COME THROUGH THE GOVERNMENT THAT COULD, COULD ASSIST WITH THE IMPLEMENTATION.
SO WE PHASE IN OUR, OUR, OUR, OUR PART OF IT FINANCIALLY FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD.
AND, AND I, AND I TOTALLY GET THAT, AND I'M NOT, AND I'M NOT RULING OUT THE, THE 42 HOUR, I'M JUST SAYING I DON'T WANT US TO SPEND TIME HAGGLING BETWEEN TWO OPTIONS THAT ARE, THAT ARE DEAD.
SO FINDING AN OPTION IS THE GOAL, BUT, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THE, THE MORE CONCISE YOU CAN MAKE THAT SELECTION, THE BETTER YOUR RESULTS ARE GONNA BE.
FOR ME, I THINK WE WALK OUT OF HERE THE LAST MEETING, RIGHT? HERE'S THE PLAN COUNSEL, HERE'S THE PLAN THAT WE RECOMMEND, THE IMPLEMENTATION SCHEDULE, THIS IS THE COST, THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO GET THAT COST.
DO YOU APPROVE OR NOT? AND, AND, AND I, AND THAT, THAT TRUE, YOU KNOW, WHEN I THINK IT WAS OUR, OUR FIRST FIRST COMMITTEE MEETING YOU HAD MENTIONED GOING TO THE VOTERS AND, AND I FULLY SUPPORT GOING TO THE VOTERS WITH THINGS.
UM, MAN, THAT'S GETTING TO BE A ROCKY ROAD.
UH, I MEAN IT'S, IT'S
UH, YOU KNOW, THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, OKAY.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN I, LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT, I I'M NOT RULING OUT THE 42 BY ANY MEANS.
NO, I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK THAT.
I'M JUST SAYING IS, IS IF WE'RE GONNA GO, WE'RE GONNA PUT UP THREE OPTIONS.
WHY ARE WE OFFERING OPTIONS THAT DON'T FIX THE ISSUE THAT WE'VE BEEN HERE TRYING TO FIX? IF, IF I CAN, AS BILL SAID, 42 HOUR, THREE PERSON STAFFING, NO DUAL COMPANY STAFFED AS WE ARE TODAY, RIGHT? 75 NEW BUCKS, RIGHT? I THINK WE TAKE THE NEXT MEETING AND WE COME BACK AND PRESENT IMPLEMENTATION OPTIONS AND HERE'S HOW WE CAN GET TO THERE.
I'M NOT GOING TO PASS THAT, BUT IT'LL ALL BE CONTINGENT UPON BECAUSE LEGISLATIVELY, THEY OPENED THE GATES AND SAID, YOU CAN DO YOUR FULL 8%.
WE STILL CAN'T BILL 4.63 CENTS OF THAT OUT.
SO HOW CAN WE GET THERE? AND CAN WE LOOK AT THE FINANCIAL IMPLEMENTATION, WE, THE STAFFING IMPLEMENTATION AND MAKE, BOIL THOSE DOWN, HASH 'EM OUT, TALK ABOUT THEM, AND THEN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION WITH THE NEXT ONE.
THIS IS THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN THAT WE WANNA RECOMMEND BACK TO COUNCIL FOR ADOPTION, THAT WE'LL USE THE WORD GRATIFICATION AT THIS POINT, BUT ALL OF THIS IS GONNA HAVE TO BE SECURED THROUGH THE CONFER AGREEMENT
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SO THAT IT, IT'S BINDING ON Y'ALL HANDLING US.WE'RE NOT GOING TO COME BACK AND ASK FOR FOUR PERSON STAFFING, DUAL COMPANIES AND EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS.
THE LAYMAN IN THE AUDIENCE, PLEASE DEFINE, MEET AND CONFER.
IT IS FEELS BETTER VERSED THAN THIS, THAN I, IN MY PERSPECTIVE.
HERE'S AN ISSUE WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT AND WE SIT DOWN AND TALK ABOUT IT AND WE CAN AGREE TO IT.
WE PUT IT IN WRITING THAT IT BECOMES RATIFIED BY THE, THE LABOR ORGANIZATION.
WHEN IT BECOMES RATIFIED BY COUNCIL, THEN THAT IS NOW BINDING ON THAT ISSUE.
BUT AT ANY POINT, EITHER PARTY CAN WALK AWAY FROM THE TABLE AND THERE'S NO ARBITRATION.
THERE'S NO MEDIATION, THERE'S NOTHING LIKE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING THAT IT, YOU HAVE TO GO TO COURT TO SETTLE THE, THIS AGREEMENT MAY CONFER IS GENTLEMAN'S AGREEMENT GOOD FAITH? GOOD FAITH? IT, WHAT IT DOES IS ITS PROTECTION.
COUNSEL THAT WE HAVE NOW MAKES A DECISION.
AND, AND, AND THIS A LONG TERM PLAN.
AND WE ALL KNOW THAT COUNCILS CAN TURN OVER
AND, AND WHAT IT PREVENTS HAPPENING IS, IS, IS WE, WE, WE COME TOGETHER, WE'VE DONE ALL THIS WORK.
COUNCIL PROVES THAT WE START THIS PLAN AND FIVE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, WE SUDDENLY HAVE A VAST ROLLOVER IN THE COUNCIL AND THEY DECIDE TO JUST END IT BY A STROKE OF A PEN.
BUT THIS WOULD PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING.
BUT IT ALSO KEEPS US IN LINE AS WELL.
INSTEAD, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE ARE WILLING TO DO FOR TH THIS TO WORK OUT OVER TIME AND MAKE THESE THESE THINGS HERE.
YOU KNOW, IT'S A GIVE AND TAKE, BUT LIKE CHIEF SAID, THERE'S NO ARBITRATION AT THE END OF IT.
SO, UM, AND IT'S SOMETHING COUNCIL HAS TO GRANT TO US.
COUNCIL CAN CHOOSE TO OR NOT GRANT IT TO US.
THEY CAN GO TO THE VOTERS, UH, YOU KNOW, AND THEN GO FROM THERE.
OKAY? BUT IT'S, UH, TEXAS LOCAL, LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE 1 42 IS WHAT GOVERNS THAT PROCESS.
IF YOU PETITION, REALLY WANTS SOME RIVETING READING TONIGHT.
SO PLANO DID A MEET AND CONFER, BUT THEY, THEY HAD ITEMS IN THERE THAT THE, THE FIREFIGHTERS, UH, AGREED TO DO SUCH AS FIRE, UH, REASONS OF SALARIES, UH, CHANGING THE COMPANY OVERTIME.
PLANO, THEY WERE DIFFERENT THAN US.
THEY WERE ALREADY LEADING THE MARKET WHEN IT COMES TO COMPENSATION.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO STAY CLOSE TO MARKET AND THE THINGS THEY WERE DOING WITH THEIR OVERTIME, WE'VE ALREADY MADE THOSE DECISIONS IN THE PAST.
SO IT'S GONNA BE DIFFICULT, UH, FOR, UH, OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT, IN MY OPINION, TO TRY TO MEET IN THE MIDDLE LIKE PLAINTIFF.
WE'RE SEEING NOW THAT YOU, PLAINTIFF IS ONE OF THE, I MEAN, ONE ISSUE THAT COMES UP IS THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, RECRUITING, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, WHAT YOU'VE SEEN IN THE NEWS ABOUT FORT WORTH, BUT THE ISSUES THAT THEY'RE HAVING WITH THE IMPLEMENTATION, THEIR EMS, THERE'S A VERY GOOD CHANCE THAT IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS THEY'RE GOING TO BE HIRING 390 TO 400 NEW FIREFIGHTERS.
UH, SO THE DRAW ON THE POOL OF, OF CANDIDATES IS GONNA GET EVEN MORE, UH, OR EVEN EVEN BLINKERED.
WHAT WAS OUR LAST, UH, FIRE OR CLASS? HOW MANY, UH, TESTED FOR IT? 500 CHANGE? UM, IRVING IS ALSO AN OPEN HIRE AND THEY HAD A LITTLE OVER A THOUSAND.
AND ARLINGTON DOES AN OPEN HIRE AND THEY HAVE 2000 NUMBERS.
THEY ARE, THE QUALITY OF CANDIDATES IS NOT THERE.
ANYBODY SITTING OVER THERE SPEAK UP, JAMES.
THE, WE'VE GOT GOOD QUALITY CANDIDATES, BUT WE GET REALLY DEEP IN THE LIST TO FIND THEM.
JUSTIN, DO YOU REMEMBER HOW DEEP WE GOT ON THIS LAST HIRE YOU? 7, 8, 3.
IT'S USUALLY, YOU COULD SAY 10.
SO, SO MATT, YOU SAID THAT, THAT WE GROW BACKWARDS $5 MILLION A YEAR IF WE ADDED 16 MILLION, $17 MILLION TO THE GENERAL FUND, ASSUME WE GROW BACKWARDS FASTER THAN $5 MILLION A YEAR.
RIGHT? WE, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW UNDER A GENERAL FUND, WE, YOU ASSUME THOSE COSTS, OUR STAFFING COSTS, THOSE ARE COSTS THAT STAFFING AND INSURANCE ARE THE ONES THAT RISE FASTER THAN CORRECT ANY OF THOSE THREE.
THAT'S WHY I KIND OF BUILT IN THIS WOULD BE THAT 16.9 WOOD, THAT THAT'S THE, THE ESTIMATED COST OVER 10 YEARS TO GET IT.
SO I WAS TRYING TO MAKE IT AS SUSTAINABLE AS POSSIBLE, BUT YES, 5 MILLION ROLLBACKS STILL GONNA OCCUR.
SO GIVE OR TAKE, 3 CENTS GIVES US $11 MILLION ON THE TAX RATE.
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ABOUT NINE NINE.SO THAT MEANS IF WE'RE $5 MILLION SHORT EVERY YEAR, EVERY TWO YEARS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO TO THE VOTERS FOR 3 CENTS WITH OR WITHOUT THIS OR WITHOUT THIS FEE.
SO IF WE GO TO THE VOTERS FOR 4.63 CENTS, WE'RE STILL GONNA HAVE TO GO TWO YEARS LATER FOR, UH, 3 CENTS AND TWO YEARS AFTER THAT FOR ANOTHER 3 CENTS.
YEAH, AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING.
AND THE HOPE WOULD BE THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO SHOW, BUT IN OUR CURRENT MODELS, OF COURSE THE MODELS ONLY USEFUL AS THE INPUTS YOU HAVE IN IT.
BUT, UH, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO CONTINUE THAT PROCESS.
I MEAN, I THINK LOOKING AT WHAT THE IMPLEMENTATION LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW FROM ALL I'VE SEEN READ, HEARD, I HAVEN'T REALLY, IT, IT'S PROBABLY OUT THERE AND I JUST HAVEN'T BATTERED MY HEAD AGAINST IT ENOUGH OF, OF WHAT IS PLANOS IMPLEMENTATION? UM, 'CAUSE THEY'RE DOING, YOU KNOW, IT IS A, IT IS A WHAT, FOUR OR FIVE YEAR IMPLEMENTATION FOR THEM AS WELL.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT, THEY BLASTED IT OUT THERE.
THE, THE GENERAL PUBLIC ASSUMED IT WAS TOMORROW AND, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THEY'RE BUILDING UP TO, AND IT WAS INTERESTING AT OUR CHIEF'S FORUM A COUPLE WEEKS BACK THAT I WAS EXPECTING THERE TO BE MUCH MORE DISCUSSION OF THAT.
AND, AND MAYBE AMONGST THE CHIEFS, MAYBE YOU GUYS, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU, YOU YOU MEET, YOU DISCUSS THAT.
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT IS, YOU KNOW, IS, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE A LOT OF PEOPLE, I'M SURE A LOT OF CHIEFS ARE HAVING THIS, THIS ROUNDABOUT, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THIS.
SO ANYWAY, ALL THAT SAY, I, I MEAN, I WOULD, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE WHAT AN IMPLEMENTA WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? IS IT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IS IT, YOU KNOW, WHAT YEAR? 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, ET CETERA.
UH, YOU KNOW, AND, AND YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU GROW THE STAFFING AND, AND THEN YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU START TO SORT EVERYBODY OUT.
BUT ALONG THE WAY, EXCUSE ME, ALONG THE WAY YOU HAVE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE CHASING THE EXPENSE DOWN THE ROAD, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? WHAT DOES THAT, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD TO SEE OF, UH, AND, AND, AND WHEN WE, WHEN, WHEN THAT IS PUT IN PLAY, LIKE THERE NEEDS TO BE, THERE NEEDS TO BE A DOCUMENTED PLAN YEAR ONE, YEAR TWO, YEAR THREE, FOUR OR FIVE, ET CETERA.
IF YOU DON'T MEET YEAR TWO, WHAT HAPPENS, YOU KNOW, AND HOW DO YOU, BECAUSE YOU'RE GOOD, YOU KNOW, IF THE NEXT LEG LEGISLATION, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IF WE GET HAMMERED ON SOMETHING AND WE HAVE TO SPEND, AND WE'VE GOT THIS AGREEMENT FOR FIVE YEARS AND WE, WE, YOU KNOW, WE GET BOTTOMED OUT ON YEAR TWO, WHAT HAPPENS.
AND THAT'S THE GOOD THING, IS WE HAVE A MODEL TO LOOK AT.
PLAINTIFF DID A REALLY GOOD JOB OF HAMMERING OUT A PLAINTIFF OKAY.
AND, AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THAT IN THEIRS, THEY HAVE A DISASTER CLAUSE.
IF THERE COMES A POINT WHERE, WHERE IT'S NOT FEASIBLE, WHAT HAVE YOU, THEY CAN PAUSE IT FOR, FOR A SET AMOUNT OF TIME.
AND THEN THEY PICK BACK UP INTO IT, YOU KNOW, SO YEAH, WE, WE COULD LAY OUT A FIVE YEAR PLAN, LEGISLATURE, WHATEVER IT, IT MAY TAKE 10 YEARS TO PULL IN, BUT I HOPE IT WOULDN'T, BUT, BUT HAS THAT POSSIBILITY.
YEAH, BECAUSE WHAT, WHAT I'M, AND MY CO YOU KNOW, AS PART OF MY CAUTION, THAT IS WE SIGN ONTO A PLAN THAT AND, AND WHATEVER HAPPENS, WHATEVER EXTERIOR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THING GOES ON, UM, AND, AND THEN IT BECOMES A DEATH MARCH TO GET TO YEAR FIVE, AND THAT'S GONNA WRECK ALL OF US.
AND SO I, KNOWING THAT THERE'S A CONTINGENCY IN THERE OR YOU KNOW, WHATEVER FOR, OKAY, YEAR TWO GOT BEAT UP YEAR THREE, YOU CAN'T DO TWO OF, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF THING.
YOU KNOW, UH, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT.
UH, YOU KNOW, THAT, UH, THAT'S IMPORTANT TO KEEP FAITH IN THE PROCESS BECAUSE IF YOU GET TWO YEARS IN, THREE YEARS IN AND, AND THINGS GO SOUTH ON YOU AND FIREFIGHTERS, THEY GOT CRAP.
THEY'VE LEFT, THEY'VE HUNG US OUT TO DRIVE.
AND CITY COUNCILS AND CITY MANAGEMENT HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE PROBLEM IN FRONT OF.
AND IF THAT'S NOT THE PROBLEM IN FRONT OF THEM, YOU KNOW, I, I, I DON'T WANT IT TO GET ABANDONED.
UM, AND, AND PUSHED TO THE SIDE AND YOU KNOW, THAT THERE'S, UH, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GONNA AGREE
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TO THIS, UM, KNOWING GOING IN, UH, HOW WE PROCEED.HE'S ALSO, SO IN THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, I'M, I'M JUST CURIOUS, IS THERE GONNA, CAN WE LAY OUT WHAT OUR CURRENT STAFF, IS THERE GONNA BE A PAY FREEZE OVER A PERIOD OF TIME WITH THE NEW FIREFIGHTERS WE BRING IN? WHERE ARE THEY GONNA BE STARTING AT? HOW IS THE INCREASE FOR THEM GONNA GO OVER TIME TO WHERE THEY CATCH UP EVENTUALLY WITH CURRENT STAFF? WHEN THIS CURRENT STAFF RESUME, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE WE LOOKING AT PAY? ARE WE LOOKING AT A PAY FREEZE, NEW HIRES COMING IN? WHAT RATE? I MEAN ONE, ONE OF THE MODELS THAT'S OUT THERE IS THE PLAN MODEL AND BILL SAID VERY GOOD MODEL.
OKAY, STEP INCREASES CONTINUE TO OCCUR, THE SCALE DOES NOT MOVE.
SO A NEW FIREFIGHTER THAT HIRES IN STILL GETS THEIR INCREASE AT SIX MONTHS.
STILL IT INCREASE IN ONE YEAR, BUT THE SCALE DOESN'T CHANGE AT ALL IF YOU CHOOSE THE PAY FREEZE MODEL.
UM, WHAT IS PLANO DOING? THEY ARE FREEZING THEIR PAY AND KEPT THEIR STEP INCREASES IN PLACE, BUT THEY INCREASE THE NUMBER OF STEPS.
PLANO HAD A TWO STEP SYSTEM BEFORE IT WENT TO THREE STEP BILL.
WE ARE A EIGHT STEP PLAN THAT TAKES 10 YEARS TO TOP DOWN.
SO PLANO LENGTHENED THEIR, THEIR STEPS, THE NUMBER OF STEPS, BUT THEY STILL HAVE THE STEPS IN PLAY.
UH, PLANO WAS PAYING AS, AS MATT SAID, PLANO HAD A LOT OF REALLY GOOD PERKS THAT THEY'RE JUST GOING BACK AND FOLLOWING THE LAW NOW.
SO ON OVERTIME, UM, ANY STAFFING OVERTIME, UH, WAS AUTOMATICALLY PAID AT TIME AND A HALF.
NO MATTER HOW MANY HOURS YOU WORKED IN THE WORK CYCLE, THEY'RE DOING AWAY WITH THAT.
THEY'RE GONNA FOLLOW THE FLSA LAW WE HAVE HERE.
HOLIDAY TIME IS GOOD TIME, BUT ANY OTHER LEAVE TIME COUNTS AGAINST YOUR, HAVE TIME ON YOUR WORK TIME.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS OUT THERE THAT PLANO DID THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY DONE.
UH, BUT WE WANNA LOOK AT THEIR MODEL.
THERE SHOULD BE SOME TERMS, YOU'LL BE IN THE NEWS TO THE NEXT MEETING, DEBIT DAYS, KELLY DAYS.
YOU MAY SEE ALL OF THESE TERMS COME UP AND WE'RE GONNA TELL YOU WHAT THOSE TERMS ARE, WHAT THEY MEAN, HOW THEY WOULD IMPACT THIS IMPLEMENTATION.
UM, BECAUSE THOSE NUMBERS CHANGE EACH YEAR IN THE PLANTO PLAN.
UH, WE'VE GOT A GUY OVER THERE THAT'S BEEN WORKING REALLY HARD ON THIS.
UH, ROBBIE SPEARS HAS GOT SOME IMPLEMENTATION MODELS THAT HE'S BEEN WORKING ON.
SO WE WANNA LOOK AT ALL OF THOSE AND COME BACK AND SHOW YOU, INTRODUCE YOU TO THESE TERMS, EXPLAIN HOW THOSE TERMS WOULD PLAY, HOW MANY PEOPLE WE WERE BREAKING INTO HIRING PER YEAR THROUGH THE PLAN.
WHAT DO WE DO WITH THOSE PEOPLE AS WE HIRE THEM? OKAY? WE REDUCE THESE OTHER DAYS THAT WE TALK ABOUT KELLY DAYS, DEBIT DAYS, ALL THAT STUFF.
DOES ALL THAT SHIFT AROUND TO START BUILDING, TO DRIVING THE HAMMER ON THE FOURTH SHIFT? AND THEN WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE AND WHAT DO WE CONTINUE TO BUILD FROM THAT, UH, TO GET TO 42 HOUR WORK WEEK THREE PERSON STAFFING, NO D COMPANIES OF TWO EXTRA BODIES TO GO INTO THAT MODEL, UH, FOR AND BLOCK DROP.
SO, UH, WE'LL SHOW ALL OF THAT WITH THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN WHERE THESE PEOPLE GO AS WE'RE BUILDING TO 75.
BUT EVEN IF, IF Y'ALL MADE THE RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL AND COUNCIL FOUND THE, THE END OF THE RAINBOW AND SAID, DO IT TODAY.
I CAN'T HIRE 75 PEOPLE IN A YEAR SPEAK.
NO, NOR DO I WANT TO, YOU HEARD ME SAY THAT IT TAKES 10 PEOPLE TO FIND ONE BEING HIRED 75 ONCE, WE'LL KEEP HITTING.
UM, BUT WE'LL COME BACK AND EXPLAIN SOME OF THOSE OPTIONS, WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE AND TRY TO, SO THE, SO MY QUESTIONS, THOSE ARE ALL GONNA BE IN THE IMPLEMENTATION THAT Y'ALL ARE GONNA LOOK AT WITH THE OPTIONS OUT THERE.
I APPRECIATE WARN YOU THAT MOST OF THESE IMPLEMENTATION THINGS ARE BANDAID, SHORT TERM ITEMS. IF WE'RE, AGAIN, WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS SHOW LONG TERM SUSTAINABILITY, RIGHT? YOU DO SALARY PHRASES FOR FIVE YEARS THINKING HOW YOU GOTTA CATCH 'EM UP AT THE END OF THE DAY.
I GOTTA FIND A WAY TO PAY FOR THEM.
I JUST, I WAS JUST TRYING TO SEE IF THAT 16.9 MILLION OVER
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10 YEARS, IS THAT TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION PAY FREEZES HIRING A 3% INCREASE PER YEAR.SO YOU COULD AT THE CURRENT RATE, RIGHT? SO IF YOU ASSUME NO SALARY INCREASES FOR THE FIRST FIVE YEARS, THAT WOULD REDUCE THAT NUMBER.
YOU'RE GONNA HIGHER END LOWER RATE THAT'S GONNA AFFECT THAT AS WELL.
THEN THAT WOULD BE A COMPLETE CHANGE IN STRATEGIES LIKE PLANO WAS LEADING THE MARKET, AS I SAID, AND AFTER THEIR IMPLEMENTATION, I BELIEVE THEY'RE JUST GONNA LOOK AT HITTING THE MARKET.
RATHER THAN BEING 5%, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, I THINK IT'S TWO POINT A HALF PERCENT ABOVE MARKET IS WHAT POST IMPLEMENTATION THEY WERE AT 5%.
BUT I THINK THEY'RE LOOKING AT TWO POINT A HALF PERCENT ABOVE MIDPOINT AND THEY'VE GOT A GRADUAL INCREASE TO GET BACK TO THAT.
THEY WILL START TO SEE A, AT THE END OF THEIR IMPLEMENTATION, START TO SEE THAT PAY GO BACK UP, UH, AND, AND DRIVE THE MARKET.
UH, I'M JUST TRYING TO CAUTION YOU THAT, BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHAT I'M TRYING TO AVOID IS INCREMENTALLY TRUCK BY I GOTTA GO BACK AND DO ANOTHER TAX RATE INCREASE NOW GUYS, SORRY, I GOTTA DO ANOTHER TAX RATE.
I GOTTA DO ANOTHER TAX BECAUSE THE VOTERS ARE EVENTUALLY GONNA SAY NOPE.
WELL I MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE FUNDING THIS SHOWING THE FULL AMOUNT OF WHAT IT IS GOING TO COST TAXPAYERS TO GET THIS THING IMPLEMENTED AND RUNNING LONG TERM.
BUT IDEALLY IT BEST BE 10 INCLUDES A CARVE OUT THEN WOULD THAT NOT BE CARVE OUT? WELL, I'M JUST LIKE, WOULD THAT, WOULD THAT NOT HELP A LITTLE BIT? IT WOULD.
I MEAN I HATE THE FACT THAT WE WOULD BE STUCK AT 1% ON, ON THE CITY SIDE, BUT WITH THAT BEING CARVED OUT, THEN IT'S ONLY CARVING OUT THE INCREASE THAT OCCURRED THAT YEAR.
SAY AGAIN? IT WOULD ONLY BE CARVING OUT THE INCREASE IF, IF IT AS WRITTEN RIGHT NOW WITH THE INCREASE THAT HAPPENED THIS YEAR, THAT YEAR, SO IT WAS $5 MILLION, IT WAS CARVE OUT 5 MILLION, IT COST 16 MILLION TO DO THIS OVER TIME.
YOU'RE ONLY GETTING THAT INCREMENTAL EXPENDITURE.
THAT JUST MEANS YOU CAN RAISE YOUR TAX RATE WITHOUT CALLING THOSE VOTERS.
IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT DOESN'T COST AS MUCH AND IT STILL COSTS YEAH.
STILL COST THE SAME 4.6 A YEAR.
BUT IT'S NOT GONNA COVER THE COST OF 16 MILLION.
SO EVENTUALLY YOU'LL BE IMPLEMENTED AND THOSE WILL GO DOWN THE INCREASES.
SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE $5 MILLION A YEAR.
YOU'RE FULLY PHASED IN, YOU'RE IMPLEMENTED, IT GOES DOWN TO 2 MILLION.
THAT ONE PERCENT'S GONNA CATCH UP.
AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SHOW, WHICH PROBABLY TO EXPLAIN THE TRAIN STATION, THIS IS COMPARING TO SB TWO WITH THE CAR ABOUT WE'RE ACTUALLY GETTING MORE MONEY THAN SB TWO BECAUSE WE'RE HAVING HUGE INCREASES IN OUR, UH, PER YEAR FIRE.
YOU SEE, IT EVENTUALLY CATCHES UP TO YOU 'CAUSE YOU'RE PHASED IN.
YOU'RE NOT SEEING THOSE LARGE CHUNKS OF INCREASES BEING CARVED OUT ANYMORE.
AND THAT IS AS IS THAT DID NOT PASS, DID NOT PASS FOR THE VERY REASONS I SAID BECAUSE IT BASICALLY, WHAT IS PUBLIC SAFETY, MR. CRUZ SAID DIDN'T DEFINE IT.
I MEAN, I WOULD SAY THAT PORT, I'M SITTING HERE RIGHT NOW TALKING ABOUT IT.
I SHOULD HAVE A PORTION OF MY TIME PUT TO PUBLIC SAFETY, BUT I DOUBT THEY'LL GO FOR IT.
AND THEN ALSO 1% FOR THE REST OF THE CITY IS JUST NOT SUSTAINED.
I THINK THAT, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M THINK I'M GONNA ASK.
I'M GONNA ASK BILL, WHAT, WHAT HE THINKS.
DO YOU THINK THE FIREFIGHTERS UNDERSTAND THIS IS GOING TO TAKE A VOTE TO THE PUBLIC TO GET THERE? WE'VE DONE OUR BEST JOB TO LET THEM KNOW THAT THAT'S THE CASE.
BUT EVERY TWO YEARS DO THEY UNDERSTAND THAT? LIKE IT'S NOT JUST A A ONCE TYPE OF THING.
IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE AN EVERY TWO YEARS THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO COMMIT TO HELPING WITH THIS.
LIKE, WELL WE'RE, WE'RE THERE REGARDLESS IF WE DO THIS OR NOT.
WELL SURE, BUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GOING TO THE VOTERS AND YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS HAVE ALREADY MENTIONED LIKE YOU'RE WILLING TO GO AND YOU KNOW, ADVOCATE FOR THIS, BUT IT'S NOT JUST A ONE-TIME THING.
IT'S EVERY TWO YEARS YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO AND ADVOCATE FOR THAT.
LIKE THAT'S A MUCH BIGGER COMMITMENT THAN JUST A ONCE YOU KNOW, A ONE-OFF, YOU KNOW, THIS YEAR WE GET TO GO ADVOCATE FOR IT, THEN WE'RE GOOD.
IT'S GONNA BE LIKE, IT'S GONNA BE YOUR PART-TIME JOB EVERY TWO YEARS.
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FIRST ONE'S GONNA BE THE HEAVY BUDGET.AND THEN IN TWO YEARS WE, WE HOPE THAT THAT EDUCATION IS THERE AND IT'S NOT AS HEAVY AS A LIFT AS THE FIRST GO DOWN.
AGAIN, I WOULD ADVOCATE HEAVILY THAT YOU GO FOR IT ALL AT ONCE, GO FOR IT ALL AT ONCE AND THEN YOU GET WHATEVER CONCESSIONS THROUGH THE MEET CONFER THAT YOU POSSIBLY CAN GET.
YOU BANK THAT TO COVER OPERATIONAL COSTS BECAUSE I DON'T NEED 4 CENTS FIRST YEAR YOU BANK ALL THIS TO OFFSET THIS LONG TERM.
'CAUSE AGAIN, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE SUSTAINABLE LONG TERM.
THAT'S THE WHOLE THING WITH COLA.
ANYTHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FROM A FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE, WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT FROM NOW.
THE RSV WHEN WE DID THAT, WE HAD A GAME PLAN FOR THAT.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR HEALTH INSURANCE, OUR, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ACTUARY STUDIES AND LONG TERM LIABILITY IS NO DIFFERENT.
THIS IS NOW A LONG TERM LIABILITY ON OUR BOOKS TO ADD 75 PEOPLE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE CAN FUND THIS 30 YEARS FROM NOW.
AND THE 4.6, I'M SORRY YOU, I UNDERSTANDING THE 4.6 COVERS THIS WITH FIRST 10 OR THIS THING, BUT OTHER THINGS THAT THE CITY NEEDS, THEY NEED THE FIREFIGHTERS ASSOCIATION TO GO HELP SECURE THOSE.
I THINK THAT'S COUNCILMAN DOUG'S POINT IS WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO TO THE VOTERS EVERY TWO YEARS FOR THE $5 MILLION WE LOSE EVERY YEAR AND THE GENERAL FUNDS BECAUSE OF SENATE BILL MOVE.
AND SO, SO WHAT I THINK STANDS A COMMITMENT FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT THAT YOU'RE GONNA SUPPORT US.
SO WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, WILL BE $10 MILLION UPSIDE DOWN AND WHEN WE SAY IT'S 10 MILLION UPSIDE DOWN, WE'RE GONNA HAVE AN ESCAPE CLAUSE AS WE SUGGESTED.
OKAY, IF OUR BUDGET'S SHORT $10 MILLION IN SOME YEAR, DO WE GET TO ESCAPE OUT OF THE THE PLAN? AND WE SAY NO, WE DON'T.
SO THEN WE $10 MILLION IS WE CLOSE THAT YEAR.
THE LIBRARY AND, AND SPECIAL EVENTS AND CULTURAL ARTS.
THAT'S THE ISSUE IS THAT'S GONNA, YOUR VOTERS AREN'T GONNA BE VERY HAPPY IF YOU SAY, WELL, WE'LL CLOSE THOSE DOWN.
THEY'RE GONNA BE GOING COME BACK TO THE FIREFIGHTERS SAYING, WELL WAIT A SECOND.
SO THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S KIND OF THE POINT IS, IS THAT COUNCILMAN DUNMAN IS ASKING IS DO WE, ARE YOU COMMITTED TO THE LONG HAUL TO SUPPORT THE CITY AND COMMITTED FUND GENERAL FUNDATIONS? BECAUSE I, I THINK ONE THING ALSO THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALSO CONTENDING WITH GISD, RIGHT? SO GISD JUST DID A BOND AND THEY SELL IT AS, OH, IT'S 2 CENTS, WHATEVER.
WELL, PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THAT ALSO YOUR, YOUR PROPERTY APPRAISAL GOES UP.
AND SO WHAT THEY WERE ANTICIPATING TO BE JUST AN EXTRA A HUNDRED DOLLARS ON THEIR, ON THEIR TAX BILL HAS TURNED OUT TO BE MUCH HIGHER THAN THAT BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT THIS YEAR'S APPRAISAL VALUE WAS GONNA BE.
AND SO IF YOU'RE, UH, A GLUTTON FOR PUNISHMENT IN READING SOCIAL MEDIA, UM, PEOPLE WERE JUST ABSOLUTELY IRATE WHEN THEY WERE GETTING THEIR TAX BILL BECAUSE NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S SO MUCH HIGHER THAN WHAT THEY THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE.
AND THAT IS PART OF MY CONCERN DOING A TAX RATE INCREASE IS AT SOME POINT WE ALREADY HAVE PEOPLE THAT B***H ABOUT THEIR PROPERTY TAXES IS TOO HIGH.
IT IT'S ALREADY EXPENSIVE, IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE.
WE HAVE THE LOWEST PROPERTY TAX HERE AND PEOPLE ALREADY THINK THAT IT'S INSANE.
'CAUSE WITH TODAY'S ECONOMY IT'S NOT GONNA GET BETTER.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST GAP IS ALMOST $4 OR $4 A GALLON AND IT IS JUST CLIMBING.
SO WE'RE, WE HAVE TO TAKE ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION BECAUSE IF WE'RE JUST GOING OFF OF SURFACE LEVEL, I DON'T DOUBT THAT THERE'S NOT A, A MASS AMOUNT OF OUR, UH, TAXPAYERS THAT WOULD GIVE YOU THE SHIRT OFF OF THEIR BACK OR OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT.
I DON'T QUESTION IT, BUT IF IT COMES TO SOMEONE'S LIVELIHOOD VERSUS A TAX RATE INCREASE, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? AND I, I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO, TO JUST FEEL SAFE THAT, THAT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE LOVE OUR HEART FROM YOU.
YOU GUYS GET TO BE THE HEROES EVERY DAY.
YOU KNOW, LIKE I DON'T GRAB MY SEATBELT WHEN I SEE A FIRE TRUCK COMING BY.
I DON'T, MY HEART DOESN'T STOP FOR A SECOND.
'CAUSE I'M LIKE, DON'T PULL ME OVER.
YOU KNOW, LIKE, LISTEN, THAT'S IT'S LIFE.
BUT YOU GUYS DIDN'T HAVE LIKE, THE POSITIVE, THE POSITIVE ENDINGS, RIGHT? AND SO PEOPLE ARE MORE APT TO DO WHATEVER THEY CAN TO HELP YOU GUYS.
THAT'S WHY I FEEL THE BUDDHIST SUCCESSFUL.
LIKE THEY CAPITALIZE ON THOSE THINGS, BUT I JUST DON'T WANT US TO GET COMFORTABLE AND HAVE THIS UNREALISTIC EXPECTATION THAT THAT'S WHAT'S ALWAYS GONNA HAPPEN.
SO I I JUST WANT US TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT.
AND AND, AND I THINK WE ARE MINDFUL OF THAT, BUT I THINK WE'RE IN A MUCH SAFER SPOT
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GOING TO THE VOTERS FOR 4.6% INCREASE THAN ADDING $15 FOR THE WATER BILL.UH, 'CAUSE THAT, THAT TO ME IS, IS, IS, I MEAN I'M PAYING THE SAME THING ABOUT EVERYBODY ELSE PAYING THE SAME THING AND I DIDN'T GET A SAY IN THAT.
UM, AND I THINK WE CAN DO THAT IN THE EDUCATION AS WE GO BE VIRTUAL.
YOU KNOW, THAT THIS IS THE COST AND YES, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE GONNA BE TIMES DOWN THE ROAD THAT WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO GO THROUGH BECAUSE OF THE LEGISLATURE.
YOU KNOW, THAT THIS IS WHAT, THIS IS WHAT HAS IS CREATED THIS, THIS IS WHY WE'RE HAVING TO COME TO YOU MORE OFTEN.
BUT YOU HAVE A SAY IN THAT, YOU KNOW, AS, AS A CITIZEN.
BUT WE HAVE TO EXPLAIN TO 'EM AS WELL.
BEDFORD WENT THROUGH IT 15 YEARS AGO AND THEY DID THEIR ROLLBACK THAT NO, I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT ONE.
THEY, THEY EXCEEDED THEIR THERE.
THIS IS BEFORE S SP TWO CITIZENS VOTED TO ROLL IT BACK.
WELL THEY DIDN'T DO A GOOD JOB OF EDUCATING THEM.
WHAT HAPPENED WHEN THEY DID THAT ROLLBACK? THEY CLOSED ALL THE POOLS, THEY CLOSED THE LIBRARIES, THEY CLOSED THIS, THEY CLOSED THAT.
NOW THEY WERE ON THE, ON THE CITY STEPS SCREAMING, YELLING, HEY, ONE THING WE'RE GOOD AT IS EDUCATION.
AND, AND, AND WE WILL DO OUR BEST TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC AS TO WHY THIS IS NECESSARY AND WHERE IT BENEFITS THEM AND, AND WHAT OCCURS IF THEY DON'T FALL FORWARD THAT YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT'S GONNA BE THE RESULT DOWN THE ROAD? WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GONNA BE THE RESULT IS THAT GOES DOWN THAT AND WE'RE COMMITTED TO THAT LONG TERM.
WE COMMITTED A LONG TIME AGO TO EDUCATING ABOUT SMOKE DETECTORS COMMITTED A LONG TIME AGO ABOUT EXIT DRILLS IN THE HOME, ALL THOSE VARIOUS THINGS.
IF THAT MEANS WE NEED TO DO THIS CONTINUOUSLY, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'LL DO TO MAINTAIN THAT FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE CITIZENS.
NO, I'M NOT RUNNING FOR OFFICE ANYTIME SOON.
YOU'RE NOT TIRED ANYTIME SOON.
ALRIGHT, OUR NEXT MEETING IMPLEMENTATION, TALKING ABOUT WHAT THAT TAKES WITH THAT, IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT, UM, CAN ON OPTION ONE, WHAT CONSISTS OF PUBLIC COMMUNICATION AND COMMUNITY SUPPORT HOLD THE PLAN FOR THAT I PLACEHOLDERS WITHIN THE PARTS AND MINDS
SO BASICALLY OUR ONLY OPTION IS OPTION TWO.
LIKE, WELL YOU JUST MADE UP AN OPTION THREE.
HE WAS TALKING ABOUT CI THINK ORIGINALLY OPT THE PUBLIC COMMUNICATIONS COMMUNITY SUPPORT ON THE ORIGINAL SCHEDULE WAS PRELIMINARY RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND THEN THAT NEEDED THAT FOR THE FINANCIAL BUDGETARY.
ALISON, WE NEEDED TO KNOW WHAT THE PRELIMINARY LOOKED LIKE.
UH, AND THEN THE MAIN WAS FINAL
I MEAN THAT THE ADJUSTMENT TO THE SCHEDULE AS IT WAS BROUGHT IN DECEMBER TO MY UNDERSTANDING WAS PROPOSED PRIMARILY BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOUR ORIGINAL PLAN WAS OR, OR MAYBE OUR, OUR ORIGINAL PLAN WAS THAT THAT APRIL WOULD BE DISCUSSING IMPLEMENTATION.
AT WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT PLAN LOOK LIKE? WELL THE IDEA OF IS WE WENT THROUGH EACH MONTH WE GOT TO THE POINT WHERE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT FEASIBLE, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO IT.
I THINK FROM OUR, OUR SIDE IT WAS BECAUSE WE NEED TO KNOW LIKE THERE, IF WE'RE DOING THIS THIS YEAR, BUT I BELIEVE THERE'S AN AGREEMENT THAT WE ARE GOING NOT GOING TO BE TAKING FORWARD A TAX YEAR TION FOR THIS THIS YEAR BECAUSE OF THE 3 CENTS THAT IT'LL FALL INTO THE HEARING.
SO FROM A
AND THIS WILL BE IN SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE.
I THINK THAT'S WHY THAT MAY HAVE BEEN IN THERE.
I MEAN IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IMPLEMENTATION, UH, COMMUNICATION ABOUT THE 3% SWAP IN NOVEMBER NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED, THAT NEEDS TO BE PART OF THE IMPLEMENTATION.
I MEAN WE NEED SUPPORT WITH THAT AS WELL.
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ABOUT A, COMBINING THE FOUR SENTENCE WITH THE THREE, NO COMBINED PUBLIC COMMUNICATION WITH THE IMPLEMENTATION OPTION.OH, SO DISCUSSION ION, LET'S DO APRIL AND MAY IN APRIL AND THEN IN MAY WE CAN DO
I DIDN'T, THAT'S MORE MY QUESTION BECAUSE IMPLEMENTATION, YOU'RE GONNA NEED TO TALK TO ASSOCIATION, YOU'RE GONNA NEED TO TALK TO YOUR FOLKS.
WE ALL OBVIOUSLY NEED TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS.
DO, WOULD IT BE BETTER TO MOVE IMPLEMENTATION, LIKE PRE-IMPLEMENTATION TO APRIL AND THEN HAVE A DISCUSSION AFTER YOU'RE ABLE TO TALK TO PEOPLE IN MAY FOR LIKE, OR LIKE, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE OKAY WITH THIS? IS THAT WORK? I MEAN, DO YOU NEED THAT EXTRA TIME, I GUESS IS THE QUESTION? WELL, I THINK THE EXTRA TIME IS CERTAINLY GONNA HELP TO, TO ORGANIZE THOUGHTS OUT THAT ARE OUT THERE.
BUT WE STILL HAVE PROCESS OF MEET CONFER, THEN WE'LL HAVE THE PROCESS OF OF OF, YOU KNOW, CONFIRMING THAT THE GARDEN FIBER ASSOCIATION AND THE BARGAINING AGENT THEN WE HAVE THOSE THINGS CAN COME AFTER THIS.
AND I, I THINK WE COULD JUST TALK ABOUT A ROUGH IMPLEMENTATION PLAN AND, AND THE COST OF THAT TO TO TO, TO SEND TO COUNCIL WITH THE KNOWLEDGE OF KNOWING THAT YOU KNOW, WHAT THE REST OF THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO TAKE TIME TO EDUCATE ALL OF MY PEOPLE AS TO EXACTLY WHAT THIS AND THIS IS.
UM, AND THEN FIND OUT IN RETURN FROM THEM THAT THEY THEY'RE WILLING TO, TO MAKE THAT, UH, CONCESSION TO, TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
UM, SO NO, YOU DON'T NEED THE EXTRA TIME.
WE AT SCHEDULED FOR ONE IN JUNE FOR A RETREAT.
IT'S THE FIRST WEEKEND IN JUNE, FIRST WEEK AND JUNE JUST, UH, FOR COUNCIL, WE'RE GONNA BE LAYING OUT THE IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGY FOR THE THREE, 3 CENTS SWAP AND CAN PROVIDE WITHOUT LOOKING AT THIS, WHAT KIND OF SITUATION WE'RE IN OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS.
UH, I JUST DON'T WANNA LOSE SIGHT OF THAT.
WE'RE, WE, WE'RE, WE'RE SLIGHTLY TALKING ABOUT, BUT THERE'S A FINANCIAL SITUATION ON THE HORIZON OUTSIDE OF THIS THAT NEEDS TO BE CONTEMPLATED IN MY MIND.
SO I JUST WANT TO THROW THAT OUT THERE.
THAT WON'T RIGHT NOW WE'RE GEARING UP FOR JUNE.
AND A REMINDER, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THREE BRAND NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS IN DISCUSSION.
CHIEF, HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THIS? I, NO, DEFINITELY THREE.
I I I REALLY THINK WE COULD PROBABLY SKIP THE APRIL MEETING TO HAVE THIS NEXT MONTH OR MORE TO LAY OUT THESE PLANS, POSSIBLE PLANS AND THEN COME BACK IN MAY AS THE GROUP FOR THE LAST TIME SAY, HERE'S THE IMPLEMENTATION PHASE.
'CAUSE WE KNOW WHAT THE COST IS.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND HERE'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THE IMPLEMENT IMPLEMENTATION WOULD LOOK LIKE AND SIGN OFF ON IT AS A GROUP AND IT GOES TO COUNCIL AND THEN WE GO FROM THERE.
TO ME, THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION.
IMPLEMENT, I MEAN, IT, IT WE'RE DOWN, WE'RE DOWN TO THE TAX NOW TAX AND TAX.
UM, I THINK IMPLEMENTATION IS THE NEXT LOGICAL STEP, UH, IF YOU WILL, WILL.
UM, BECAUSE I, I KINDA SEE THE, I KINDA SEE THE, THE PUBLIC COMMUNICATION AND COMMUNITY SPORT SUPPORT
UM, I MEAN I SEE THAT, I SEE THAT FALLING MORE UNDER OR INTO THE MEET AND CONFER DISCUSSION BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE HASHED OUT AT THAT POINT OF, OF HERE'S HOW, YOU KNOW, HERE'S THE IMPLEMENTATION, HERE'S HOW WE'RE GOING TO PRESENT THIS.
AND, AND THAT SORT OF LEADS INTO THE COMMUNICATION SIDE OF IT AND, AND THE COMMUNITY SUPPORT.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE MEETING CONFER WILL LAY OUT FIVE YEAR PLAN, SO TO SPEAK, AND, AND, AND SORT OF CODIFY IT, IF YOU WILL.
AND HERE'S HOW WE'RE GOING TO THE, THE COMMUNITY SUPPORT AND COMMUNICATION FEEDS, I THINK INTO THAT OF HERE'S HOW WE'RE GOING TO GET IT OVER THE GOAL OF THAT KIND
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OF THING.WELL, AND SOME OF THAT FALLS PRETTY MUCH ON US BECAUSE CITY COUNCIL AND, AND THE CITY CAN'T, THEY'RE LIMITED ON WHAT THEY CAN DO WHEN IT COMES TO THAT.
A LOT OF THAT COMMUNICATION, A LOT OF THAT OUTREACH IS GONNA BE ON US TO GET DONE.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I MEAN YEAH, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, WE CAN'T SUPPORT OUR OWN INITIATIVES, BUT APPARENTLY THE SCHOOL DISTRICT CAN'T.
YEAH, THAT'S FUNNY HOW THAT WORKS.
BUT, UH, WELL THAT'S, THAT'S DISCUSSION FOR OUTSIDE.
UM, BUT YEAH, I MEAN I THINK THAT'S THE LOGICAL STEP TO ME.
OKAY, SO WE'RE SKIPPING THE APRIL MEETING, GETTING BACK TOGETHER OR FINAL ONE IN MAY.