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OKAY, IT IS 5:02 P.M. AND THIS IS THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES COMMITTEE MEETING FOR AUGUST 4TH, 2026. WE WILL BEGIN WITH THE AGENDA ITEMS ITEM ONE APPROVAL OF MINUTES.
I GUESS I SHOULD INTRODUCE OUR ATTENDEES FIRST.
EXCUSE ME. WE HAVE CHAIRMAN JOE THOMAS WITH US AND I AM OR COMMITTEE MEMBER JOE THOMAS.
AND I AM CHAIRPERSON MARGARET LUCHT. AND WE HAVE VARIOUS STAFF WITH US AS WELL.
SO ITEM ONE A CONSIDER APPROVAL OF THE JUNE 20TH JUNE 2ND, 2026 MEETING MINUTES.
I WILL SECOND THAT. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ITEM TWO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
THIRSTY? DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS. OKAY.
SO, MADAM CHAIR, WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO ROLL THAT ONE TO THE NEXT MONTH HAS UNFORTUNATELY BEEN INAPPROPRIATELY POSTED WITH THE INCORRECT ORDINANCE NUMBER AND LACKING A DESCRIPTION, SO WE WILL CORRECT THAT FOR THE NEXT ONE.
OKAY. GOT IT. WE ARE PUSHING ITEM THREE A TO OUR NEXT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES MEETING.
ON TO ITEM THREE. B REVIEW OF GRADING PROVISIONS IN THE GDC.
OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON. I AM MICHAEL POLOWCZYK, DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING.
AND WITH ME IS NABILAH NUR WITH NUR. I'VE ALWAYS MISPRONOUNCED.
I HOPE I PRONOUNCED THAT CORRECTLY. I'VE NEVER ASKED HER BUT SHE'S WITH OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND AFTER THE MEETING IN JUNE COMMITTEE ASKED US TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT HOW CAN WE PREVENT THE ISSUE THAT WE HAD AT EASTERN HILLS FROM HAPPENING AGAIN WITH THE GRADE DIFFERENTIAL.
AND I BELIEVE WHAT Y'ALL HAS BEEN DEEMED OUT THERE AS MOUNT BLUFF VIEW.
AND SO BASED ON THE LESSONS LEARNED FROM EASTERN HILLS COUNTRY CLUB REDEVELOPMENT, THE ENGINEERING CONSULTANT WITH PLANNING DEPARTMENT, AND WE IDENTIFIED ADDITIONAL AREAS OR OPPORTUNITIES OF IMPROVEMENT IN OUR ORDINANCE FOR REDEVELOPING A FORMER GOLF COURSE TYPE PROPERTY THAT'S ADJACENT TO AN EXISTING RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND WE'RE GOING TO WALK YOU THROUGH. I'VE GIVEN YOU A COPY OF, OF, OF THAT SECTION OF ORDINANCE.
IT'S BOLDED OF WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO MODIFY.
AND NOW THE DIVISION FOUR IS THE TREE PRESERVATION AND MITIGATION REQUIREMENTS.
AND SO I'M JUST GOING TO WALK YOU THROUGH THESE AND WE'LL READ THROUGH THEM.
BUT FOR A PROPERTY CURRENTLY OR PREVIOUSLY DEVELOPED WITH WITH A GOLF COURSE OR COUNTRY CLUB, USE A MINIMUM 25 FOOT NON DISTURBED ZONE IS REQUIRED ALONG ANY SIDE OR REAR PROPERTY LINE OF A DEVELOPMENT OR REDEVELOPMENT SITE ADJACENT TO A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. SO PUTTING THAT BUFFER BACK IN THERE, THAT 25 FOOT.
BUT THIS WOULD ACTUALLY BE A NON DISTURBED ZONE.
AND THEN AGAIN D EXISTING TREES WITHIN THE 25 FOOT NON DISTURBED ZONE MUST BE PROTECTED AND PRESERVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROVISIONS IN SECTION 460 D THREE, WHICH IS AT THE VERY BOTTOM OF YOUR PAGE.
ALSO THAT GIVES YOU THAT REQUIREMENT. ITEM E IF TREES WITHIN THE NON DISTURBED ZONE DO NOT EXIST IN SUCH A WAY, THAT CREATES A NATURAL BUFFER. ONE LARGE CANOPY TREE ALONG WITH SEVEN SHRUBS OR ORNAMENTAL GRASSES FOR EVERY 30 LINEAR FEET SHALL BE PLANTED WITHIN THE NON DISTURBED ZONE. EXISTING TREES CAN BE COUNTED TOWARD THIS PLANTING REQUIREMENT.
TREES MAY BE GROUPED OR CLUSTERED TO FACILITATE CREATING A BUFFER IN THE CITY.
ENCOURAGES STAGGERED OR NON LINEAR PLACEMENT OF THE PLANT MATERIAL.
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DEVELOPMENT SIDE OF THE NON DISTURB ZONE RATHER THAN THE COMMON PROPERTY LINE.SO IT WOULD BE SET BACK ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE 25FT.
AND HERE WE GO WITH THE WE FINALLY GET TO WHAT YOU HAD ASKED ABOUT.
SHALL BE DESIGNED WITH NO MORE THAN A FOUR FOOT VERTICAL GRADE DIFFERENTIAL FROM EXISTING GRADE.
SO BEYOND THE 25 FOOT ZONE, THE NEXT 50FT, YOU CAN'T HAVE MORE THAN A FOUR FOOT GRADE DIFFERENTIAL.
WHETHER IT'S A SLOPE OR A WALL, IT CAN'T BE ANY HIGHER THAN FOUR FOOT ON THAT PORTION.
AND THEN ITEM H, THE NON DISTURB ZONE SHALL BE OWNED AND MAINTAINED BY THE HOA OR PROPERTIES ASSOCIATION, AS APPLICABLE FOR RESIDENTIAL OR NONRESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEN WE LEAVE A CAVEAT IN THERE OF ITEM I, THE DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING, MAY WAIVE THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE 25 FOOT NON DISTURB ZONE UPON DETERMINATION THAT A PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT OR REDEVELOPMENT SITE ADJACENT TO A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT WOULD NOT NEGATIVELY AFFECT NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES IF THE NON DISTURB ZONE IS NOT PROVIDED. SO. SO I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT AT THIS POINT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE CREATED INTERNALLY AS STAFF ADMINISTRATION HAS NOT FULLY REVIEWED THIS DOCUMENT YET FOR ANY KIND OF FEEDBACK FROM THEM. AND WE HAVE NOT APPROACHED THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WITH ANY OF THIS YET.
BUT WITH THAT, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? IS THIS SOMETHING THAT Y'ALL WERE LOOKING FOR.
IS THIS SOMETHING THAT HAS SOME TEETH TO IT THAT YOU WOULD PREFER? NO. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR. AND I THINK HAVING A FOUR FOOT VERTICAL GRADE ON THERE REALLY SOLVES THE ISSUE THAT WE HAD WITH IN DISTRICT THREE. IS ALL OF SECTION TWO HERE BRAND NEW? YES. OKAY. SO THAT DIDN'T EXIST. WELL SECTION TWO I BELIEVE.
IS THAT RIGHT? SO JUST SO YES. YES. SECTION. SECTION TWO.
RIGHT. OKAY. AND BUT THERE WAS AN EXISTING SECTION THREE, BUT NO.
TWO BEFORE. NO, THAT WAS TWO BEFORE. WE JUST PUT IT IN THERE.
THAT WAS TWO BEFORE THEN. THE NEW TWO. CORRECT.
OR TWO. OLD TWO IS THE NEW THREE CORRECT. GOT IT.
OKAY. NO, I LIKE IT. I THINK THIS CERTAINLY ADDRESSES THAT ISSUE.
AND CERTAINLY HAVING A GOLF COURSE IN DISTRICT SEVEN THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE GOT THERE.
THAT'S ON PEOPLE'S RADAR TO DEVELOP. YOU KNOW, I WANT TO I THINK THIS IS A GOOD THING FOR, FOR THAT TO BECAUSE THERE'S I DON'T THINK THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER GOLF COURSES IN GARLAND THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, STILL, YOU KNOW, FUNCTIONING OUTSIDE OF THE ONE WE OWN IN FIREWHEEL.
YES, SIR. SO, OKAY. VERY GOOD. I THINK THAT THE ONLY ITEM THAT I'M A LITTLE IFFY ABOUT IS I.
AND, AND THERE CAN BE SOME SITUATIONS WHERE. AND IT'S JUST HYPOTHETICAL THINKING THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME OPPORTUNITIES THAT, OKAY, MAYBE PEOPLE DO HAVE FENCES ALONG THE BACK OF THEIR PROPERTIES ALREADY THAT MAY BACK UP TO AN AREA THAT WAS ALONG A GOLF COURSE.
I AGAIN, I'M NOT CERTAIN WHAT'S ALL OVER IN, IN OAK RIDGE.
YOU KNOW, WE WERE TRYING TO THINK OF THAT AS AN EXAMPLE, BUT THERE MAY BE SOME OFFLINE AREAS THAT, OKAY, MAYBE WE DON'T NEED THAT 20 IN CERTAIN AREAS, MAYBE NOT THE WHOLE ENTIRE GOLF COURSE, BUT IN SOME AREAS WHERE PEOPLE MAY ALREADY HAVE A FENCE THAT BACKS UP TO THAT AREA, THEY MAY NOT.
IT MAY NOT MAKE A DIFFERENCE TO THAT 25 FOOT BUFFER, IS THERE? WELL, I THINK IF SOMEBODY LIVES ADJACENT TO A GOLF COURSE, IT ALWAYS MAKES A DIFFERENCE.
SO I THAT'S THE ONLY ITEM THAT I'M, I'M REALLY QUESTIONING ONLY BECAUSE WHEN PEOPLE BUY A HOME ON A GOLF COURSE, THEY ARE EXPECTING TO BE NEXT TO A GOLF COURSE PRETTY MUCH IN PERPETUITY.
NOW, WE'VE SEEN IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS THAT THAT IS NOT THE CASE.
SO I, I FEEL LIKE COUNCIL MAY WANT TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
JUST BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT IT TO EVER COME BACK AND, AND THEN YOU ALL BE AT FAULT FOR SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WASN'T NOT RECOGNIZED. NOT NECESSARILY RECOGNIZED.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I DON'T WANT THE ONUS TO BE ON YOU AND YOUR DEPARTMENT.
I THINK IT SHOULD BE ON COUNCIL AS A DEVELOPMENT DECISION.
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YOU'RE REQUIRED TO DO SO FOR THIS PARTICULAR FOR GOLF AND GOLF AND COUNTRY CLUBS.I THINK IT SHOULD GO TO COUNCIL. OKAY. I, YOU KNOW, SINCE WE'VE GOT ONE GOLF COURSE LEFT.
YEAH. AND THOSE FOLKS ARE PRETTY VOCAL. I THINK IT SHOULD COME TO THE TOP TWO.
AND THAT WAY WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT PUTTING THE TARGET ON MICHAEL.
WE LET THAT BE ON US. I AGREE. I MEAN THAT'S GOING TO BE A BIG PROJECT ANYWAYS.
SO MORE THAN LIKELY THEY'LL BE COMING TO COUNCIL ANYWAYS.
SO. WILL YOU BRING I GUESS WE CAN BRING IT TO COUNCIL REPORT TO COUNCIL, BUT I WOULD LIKE CITY ADMIN AND THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO LOOK AT IT BEFORE THAT HAPPENS.
JUST IN CASE THERE ARE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS, IF YOU FEEL IT NECESSARY TO COME BACK TO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AFTER THOSE REVIEWS, PLEASE DO. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY, MOVING ON TO ITEM THREE.
C REVIEW CERTAIN LAND USE DEFINITIONS.
AND THEN WE'VE ADDED A SECOND ONE TO THIS WITH INDUSTRIAL USES.
AND THEN THE SAME FOR MINOR AND MAJOR AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR.
CAN YOU GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? I'M RYAN MULKEY.
I'M THE LONG RANGE PLANNING ADMINISTRATOR. THANK YOU.
YES, SIR. SO STARTING WITH INDUSTRIAL USES SO THE INITIAL ISSUE WITH THIS IS THAT BASED ON OUR EXISTING DEFINITIONS OF OUR LIGHT AND HEAVY MANUFACTURING USES STAFF HAVE HAD SOME DIFFICULTY DETERMINING IF SOME BUSINESSES ARE TRULY HEAVY INDUSTRIAL OR IF THEY COULD BE CATEGORIZED IN THE SLIGHTLY MORE PERMISSIVE LIGHT MANUFACTURING CATEGORY. SO AN EXAMPLE WOULD BE A MANUFACTURING COMPANY THAT HANDLES RAW MATERIALS BUT DOESN'T NECESSARILY PROCESS THEM OR ANY KIND OF HEAVIER ACTIVITY, AS WELL AS A NEWER, ADVANCED MANUFACTURING FIRM THAT MAY HAVE A COMPUTER THAT PRINTS PARTS FOR MACHINES BUT ISN'T REALLY MANUFACTURING MACHINES. AND SO WITH THIS REVIEW, NOT ONLY OF THE GDC, BUT THE PEER REVIEW, WE'VE IDENTIFIED A NEED TO MORE CLEARLY DELINEATE BETWEEN HEAVY MANUFACTURING, WHICH ACROSS ALL OF ALL OF THE PEER CITIES, YOU COULD BROADLY DEFINED AS THE BASIC INDUSTRIAL PROCESSING OF RAW MATERIALS VERSUS LIGHT MANUFACTURING, WHICH IS MAINLY THE ASSEMBLY OF THOSE PRODUCTS FROM PREVIOUSLY PREPARED MATERIALS.
AND THEN BEYOND THAT, WE'VE JUST TAKEN A REALLY COMPREHENSIVE LOOK AT THE GDC MANUFACTURING USES AND IDENTIFIED A FEW ADDITIONAL UPDATES THAT KIND OF RESPOND TO OUR EVOLVING INDUSTRIAL LANDSCAPE. YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S WHERE WE STARTED AS A CITY, BUT OUR INDUSTRIAL HUB CONTINUES TO EVOLVE, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE OUR CODE IS RESPONSIVE TO THAT.
AND THEN BEYOND THAT, WE ALSO HAVE THIS THREAD OF ADVANCED MANUFACTURING.
SO LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE THIS ESTABLISHED AN INDUSTRIAL HUB THAT CONTINUES TO EVOLVE.
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT HAS DEFINITELY STATED A NEED TO PRIORITIZE R&D AND ADVANCED MANUFACTURING FIRMS. BUT THESE MORE MODERN INDUSTRIAL ACTIVITIES ARE OFTEN A LOT CLEANER AND MORE EFFICIENT THAN HEAVY MANUFACTURING AS WELL AS A LOT OF LIGHT MANUFACTURING.
SO JUST AN OVERVIEW OF OF WHAT STAFF'S PROPOSAL IS.
AND AGAIN, THESE ARE JUST IDEAS. BUT FIRST AND FOREMOST, ADDING A DEFINITION OF RAW MATERIALS TO THE GDC TO MORE CLEARLY DEFINE THE ACTIVITIES OF HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USES THAT WOULD REALLY HELP STAFF WITH USE INTERPRETATION AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
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AND THEN LOOKING AT THIS LEATHER AND ALLIED PRODUCTS MANUFACTURING USE.OUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO REMOVE THIS USE FROM THE GDC IN OUR PEER CITY REVIEW.
NONE OF THE OTHER PEER CITIES HAD THIS AS A SEPARATE USE.
AND THEN THOSE LIGHTER ASSEMBLY ACTIVITIES ARE IN THE LIGHT MANUFACTURING.
USE OUR CURRENT DEFINITION KIND OF COMBINES THOSE TWO INTO ONE WHICH HAS CREATED SOME CONFUSION AS FAR AS INTERPRETATION AND SOME OF OUR LESS IMPACTFUL BUSINESSES, YOU KNOW, CAN ONLY GO IN THOSE REALLY HEAVY INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS. WE'RE KIND OF RESTRICTING FOLKS THERE POTENTIALLY.
AND THEN LOOKING AT OUR CURRENT USE AND DEFINITION OF INDUSTRIAL OR MANUFACTURING HEAVY.
WE WOULD RENAME, WE WOULD RECOMMEND RENAMING THIS AS JUST MANUFACTURING HEAVY.
THAT ALIGNS WITH A LOT OF OUR PEER CITIES IS A LITTLE CLEANER.
AND THEN IN THE DEFINITION REFERENCING THIS POTENTIAL NEW DEFINITION OF RAW MATERIALS.
AND THEN OF COURSE, ADDING THOSE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL FUNCTIONS OF LEATHER AND ALLIED PRODUCTS MANUFACTURING TO THAT USE SAME WITH INDUSTRIAL AND MANUFACTURING LIGHT, JUST TO KIND OF A CLEAN UP OF THE, OF THE NAMING AND THEN ADDING THOSE LIGHTER ASSEMBLY FUNCTIONS OF LEATHER AND ALLIED PRODUCTS MANUFACTURING THERE.
I'LL GET INTO THAT MORE IN A SECOND. THIS WOULD BE INTENDED FOR FIRMS THAT ARE ENGAGED PRIMARILY IN THE DESIGN AND OR MANUFACTURING OF HIGH TECHNOLOGY OR PRECISION PRODUCTS. WE PULLED A LOT FROM RICHARDSON. THEY HAVE A HIGH TECH MANUFACTURING USE AND THEIR CODE THAT WE KIND OF LOOK TO FOR GUIDANCE THERE.
AND THEN LAST BUT NOT LEAST, WE CURRENTLY HAVE A USE THAT'S LABORATORY ANALYTICAL OR RESEARCH.
RICHARDSON, PLANO. I THINK FRISCO HAS IT AS WELL.
SO NOT FULL PRODUCT MANUFACTURE, BUT JUST KIND OF PROTOTYPES THAT ARE COMMON WITH AN R&D FIRM.
AND WE SAW THAT THAT DIDN'T REALLY MAKE SENSE FOR THAT PARTICULAR USE.
SO WITH THE ADVANCED MANUFACTURING USE AND R&D KIND OF TRIANGULATING, YOU KNOW, THE THE DISTRICTS THAT WE THOUGHT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS, WE LOOKED AT A FEW OTHER EXISTING USES AND CODE MAKER SPACE AND DATA CENTER, OBVIOUSLY ARE MORE RECENT USES THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED, I THINK IN 2019, YOU KNOW, SINCE THE 2015 ADOPTION OF THE GDC, BUT ALSO LIGHT MANUFACTURING, OUR CURRENT R&D USE. AND THIS IS WHAT WE WERE THINKING THAT TEXT AND READ FOR ADVANCED MANUFACTURING.
SO IT WOULD BE PERMITTED BY S, U, P AND COMMUNITY OFFICE AND LIGHT COMMERCIAL MAINLY PERMITTED BY RIGHT AND HEAVY COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL, UNLESS IT'S WITHIN 100FT OF A RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT OR USE AND THEN PERMITTING BY SUP IN THE URBAN BUSINESS DISTRICT, THAT KIND OF ALIGNS WITH HOW WE REGULATE MAKER SPACE AND DATA CENTER.
THAT WAS A PRETTY EASY USE TO SEE IF WE HAD ANY EXISTING R&D FIRMS IN A CR DISTRICT, BECAUSE IT REQUIRES AN SUP, AND WE DIDN'T REALLY FIND IN THE PAST TEN YEARS OR SO ANY KIND OF EXAMPLE OF THAT.
I THINK THE 1SUP WE'VE GOTTEN FOR AN R&D HAS BEEN IN LIKE A COMMUNITY OFFICE PD, SO NOT A HUGE IMPACT THERE TO EXISTING BUSINESSES, BUT THEN ALSO ALLOWING R&D IN THE URBAN BUSINESS DISTRICT.
SO THAT'S IT ON INDUSTRIAL USES. I CAN STOP THERE OR WE CAN KEEP GOING OR IF I COULD.
SO DO YOU THINK THAT KIND OF RENAMING SOME OF THIS TO SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR TO OTHER CITIES HELPS THE DEVELOPER TO KNOW THAT, OKAY, THIS WE'RE SPEAKING THE SAME, WHETHER THAT'S RICHARDSON OR GARLAND OR MESQUITE OR WHATEVER.
THAT'S THE SAME TERMINOLOGY. THEY KNOW THEY'RE NOT THE SAME THING.
IS THAT THE POINT OF RENAMING SOME OF THIS? GENERALLY, YEAH.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, THE MOST SUBSTANTIVE PART, OBVIOUSLY, OF WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, BUT JUST A GENERAL CLEANUP OF SOME OF THE LANGUAGE KIND OF SIGNALS TO THE MARKET, YOU KNOW WHAT THESE USES ARE, THEY, THEY DO, LIKE YOU SAID, MAKE THEM A LITTLE MORE EASY TO FIND IN OUR CODE.
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YOU KNOW, WE'RE UP TO DATE ON ADVANCED MANUFACTURING, R&D, YOU KNOW, THOSE KIND OF USES KIND OF JUST CLEAN THINGS UP A LITTLE BIT.OKAY. AND THEN THE DIFFERENCE ON LIGHT AND HEAVY WAS BACK ON SLIDE FOUR.
MAYBE THAT WAS FIVE. THAT WAS THAT WAS NOT IT.
IT'S LIGHT. THERE WE GO. OH YEAH. SO BASIC INDUSTRIAL PROCESSING OF RAW MATERIALS.
AND SO THEY ARE MIXING ASPHALT AND MINERAL SPIRITS AND FIBERS.
THAT'S BASIC RAW MATERIALS VERSUS LIGHT. MANUFACTURING IS YOU BUY IF YOU'RE PUTTING A CAR TOGETHER AND YOU'RE BUYING PARTS FROM CANADA AND JAPAN AND OTHER PLACES, THEN YOU'RE ASSEMBLING PRE-MANUFACTURED PARTS.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY THE DIFFERENCE, RIGHT? YEAH. SO ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF RAW MATERIALS WOULD BE LIKE YOUR CURING LEATHER THAT WILL EVENTUALLY GET MADE INTO, YOU KNOW, HATS OR BOOTS OR JACKETS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, VERSUS YOU'RE TAKING PREPARED LEATHER AND OTHER, YOU KNOW, ANIMAL HIDES, THINGS LIKE THAT. AND THEN ASSEMBLING THOSE INTO FINISHED PRODUCTS.
OKAY. SO THAT'S WHY THE LEATHER WOULD GO INTO HEAVY BECAUSE YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE LEATHER, FIRST OF ALL, THAT'S REALLY SMELLY. YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT THAT AROUND, AROUND PEOPLE'S HOMES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
BUT THAT'S DEFINITELY HEAVY MANUFACTURING. WHEREAS IF YOU'RE TAKING THOSE MATERIALS AND, YOU KNOW, CREATING GARMENTS AND OTHER THINGS OUT OF THEM, BAGS, ETC., THAT'S THAT WOULD BE MORE LIKE MANUFACTURING.
OKAY, OKAY. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU CHAIRMAN.
THANK YOU. SO ALLIED PRODUCTS, YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THAT MEANS.
HELP ME OUT. IT SAID LEATHER AND ALLIED PRODUCTS, I THINK.
OH, YEAH. RIGHT THERE. YES. YEAH. SO AND I CAN PULL UP THE I HAVE LIKE A, A NON ABRIDGED VERSION OF THIS PRESENTATION THAT HAS MORE DETAIL AS FAR AS THE DEFINITIONS.
WELL HERE LET ME DO THIS. I THOUGHT I DID.
YEAH. SORRY I DON'T HAVE THAT IN THIS PRESENTATION. BUT YEAH, SO THE EXISTING DEFINITION SAYS ALLIED PRODUCTS WOULD BE LIKE RUBBER IS ONE OF THEM. I THINK WOOL, OTHER TEXTILES THAT A GARMENT MANUFACTURING COMPANY MIGHT PRODUCE ALONGSIDE LEATHER MATERIALS, SUEDE, THINGS LIKE THAT.
OKAY. AND THEN I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS.
SO CHEMICALS, ORGANIC CHEMICALS, TO BE SPECIFIC WASTE AND DISPOSAL OF ORGANIC CHEMICALS. IS, IS THAT NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU WANTED TO ADDRESS IN THIS, OR IS THAT OUT OF THE PURVIEW OF WHAT? BECAUSE I SEE A LOT OF A LOT, MANY NODS TO, YOU KNOW, ANIMAL TYPE MATERIALS.
SO ANY OF THESE INDUSTRIAL USE CAN BE CONSIDERED BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT A HIGH RISK USE.
SO THAT'S A SEPARATE USE IN OUR LAND USE CHART.
SO ANY OF THESE CAN BECOME DEPENDING UPON THE INTENSITY OF IT, CAN BECOME A HIGH RISK USE.
BUT USUALLY WE DEPEND UPON OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT TO GIVE US THAT ANSWER.
DOES THAT HIGH RISK USE REQUIRE A FIT MEETING? IS THAT WHERE THAT'S DETERMINED? OKAY. WOULD YOU BE OKAY WITH INCLUDING HIGH RISK USES IN HEAVY INDUSTRIAL OR HEAVY MANUFACTURING. I GUESS I THINK IT REQUIRES AN SUP.
YEAH. IT'S LIKE A SEPARATE CASE IN THE IN THE LAND USE MATRIX.
AND I THINK IT'S ALL WITHIN SUP. OKAY. IT'S VERY RESTRICTED.
OKAY. GOOD. AS IT SHOULD BE. NO. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY.
AND YOUR QUESTION DOES KIND OF SPEAK TO YOU KNOW, WHAT DISTRICTS PERMIT THESE USES AS WELL.
AND WE DON'T HAVE, I KEEP THINKING MY ANSWER IS ON THE SLIDES AND IT'S NOT.
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BUT YEAH, SO, SO LIGHT MANUFACTURING, YOU KNOW, IT HAS THAT STIPULATION THAT IF IT'S IN 100FT OF A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT REQUIRES AN SUP, THAT SAME KIND OF STIPULATION APPLIES TO HEAVY MANUFACTURING AS WELL.OKAY. YEAH. HIGH RISK USE IS NOT PERMITTED BY RIGHT ANYWHERE.
IT'S ONLY IN INDUSTRIAL AND IT REQUIRES AN SUP.
SO IT WILL NEVER BE PERMITTED WITHOUT COUNCIL'S APPROVAL.
AND VERY DETAILED SCRUTINY. PERFECT. THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION ALSO.
WE'VE RECENTLY ADDED TO THE USES IN INDUSTRIAL CURRENT INDUSTRIAL ZONING LIKE VAPE SHOPS.
AND THEN THAT'S ALSO WHERE SEXUALLY ORIENTED BUSINESSES ARE PUT.
SO THOSE AREN'T ADDRESSED IN HERE EITHER. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE GO INTO THAT HEAVY HEAVY MANUFACTURING AREA INSTEAD OF LIGHT. YEAH. THE, THE SMOKE SHOPS USE.
YEAH, WE JUST, WE JUST GOT THAT ONE LOCKED DOWN.
SO YEAH, THAT, THAT WOULD NOT CHANGE WITH, WITH ANYTHING WE'RE, WE'RE PROPOSING HERE. THIS IS MORE NOT TO NOT REALLY PROPOSING ANY CHANGES TO THE ZONING DISTRICTS THEMSELVES, BUT JUST THESE PARTICULAR USES.
SO, AND, AND WHERE THOSE USES ARE PERMITTED. OKAY.
THE OTHER, I DID HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT DENTAL LABORATORIES.
SO THOSE TYPICALLY YOU FIND THEM IN OFFICE DISTRICTS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S LIKE SOMETHING YOU WANT TO LOOK AT WITH THOSE, BUT THEY TYPICALLY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF WASTE AND OPERATE MUCH LIKE A, I DON'T KNOW, WE ALWAYS HAD OUR DENTAL LAB IN AN OFFICE SETTING.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, IF THERE'S ANY CONSIDERATION FOR USES LIKE THAT.
I DON'T WANT TO SINGLE OUT JUST DENTAL LABORATORIES BECAUSE THAT'S A LITTLE STRANGE, BUT SO THE EXISTING GDC, IT'S NOT A USE IN THE LAND USE MATRIX, BUT IT'S A SEPARATE DEFINITION OF MEDICAL AND DENTAL LABORATORIES.
BUT THEN IF YOU GO TO THE DEFINITION OF LABORATORY COMMA, ANALYTICAL OR RESEARCH, WHICH IS A USE IN THE LAND USE MATRIX, IT SAYS IT INCLUDES MEDICAL AND DENTAL LABORATORIES.
SO WHEN I WAS FUTZING AROUND WITH ALL THESE DEFINITIONS, I WAS THINKING, WHY DON'T WE JUST ALL COMBINE THAT INTO THE ONE DEFINITION THAT IS A USE AND THEN RENAME THAT TO RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT CENTER.
SO WHAT IS THE THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND REMOVING THOSE FROM KR? AND CAN YOU GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE OF WHY YOU WOULDN'T WANT THOSE THERE? YEAH. SO I MEAN REMOVING IT FROM THE COMMUNITY RETAIL IS, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY GARLAND AS IT IS TODAY IS LARGELY OUR COMMERCIAL STRIP CENTERS, YOU KNOW, PLACES WHERE YOU SEE BIG BOX RETAILERS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
BIG PICTURE FOR THIS INDUSTRIAL USE STUFF IS MORE LIKE YOU SAID, WITH OFFICE PARKS WHICH TYPICALLY YOU'D SEE MORE LIKE A COMMUNITY OFFICE DISTRICT OR, YOU KNOW, AS THE CITY PERHAPS MOVES TOWARDS MORE OF A MIXED USE URBAN ENVIRONMENT, YOU'D SEE LIKE IN AN URBAN BUSINESS DISTRICT COMMUNITY RETAIL, I BELIEVE IT DOES ALLOW OFFICE USES, BUT ITS PRIMARY FOCUS IS, IS RETAIL.
RIGHT. SO YEAH, NOT LIKE A HILL WE WANT TO DIE ON BY ANY MEANS, BUT IT WAS KIND OF AN ANOMALY.
WHEN WE WERE LOOKING THROUGH EXISTING USES, KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THINKING HOW WE WANTED TO POTENTIALLY PERMIT ADVANCED MANUFACTURING AND STUFF LIKE THAT. WE DIDN'T REALLY SEE THAT ALLOWING THOSE IN A RETAIL DISTRICT REALLY LIKE CLICKED.
BUT YOU KNOW, R&D IS, IS PERMITTED IN KR TODAY WITH AN SUP.
SO WE COULD CERTAINLY CONTINUE THAT. I JUST KEEP THINKING ABOUT LIKE A DENTAL OFFICE THAT HAS A DENTAL LABORATORY IN-HOUSE OR A MEDICAL OFFICE THAT HAS A MEDICAL LAB IN-HOUSE WHERE THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, TESTING STUFF.
SO THAT'S JUST CONSIDER MAYBE LEAVING THAT AS AN SUP.
THAT MAY BE WHY. YEAH, IT'S PERMITTED BY SUP AND A KR TODAY.
USUALLY THAT'S THAT'S A GOOD THING. SO WE'LL DO THAT.
YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. JUST YEAH, WE CAN JUST LEAVE IT AS IT IS TODAY.
OKAY. THOSE ARE ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE. DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE? NO MORE FOR ME. OKAY. AWESOME. WELL, I'M, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO COME BACK IF YOU WANT TO REPORT THIS OUT TO COUNCIL.
UNLESS THERE'S SOME OTHER STUFF THAT YOU WANT TO GO OVER. SO KIND OF.
SO JUST TO RECAP FROM I THINK IT WAS MAY OR JUNE MAYBE.
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SO OUR INITIAL PEER REVIEW INTO THIS INDICATED A STRONG TENDENCY TO DEFINE THESE BY SPECIFIC ACTIVITIES OR WORK ON LIKE SPECIFIC VEHICLE COMPONENTS. THAT REALLY MAY NOT KEEP PACE WITH RAPID ADVANCES IN AUTOMOTIVE TECHNOLOGY.RATHER IT MAY MAKE SENSE TO FUTURE PROOF OUR CODE BY CONSIDERING BROADER, MORE TECHNOLOGY NEUTRAL DEFINITIONS THAT FOCUS LESS ON PARTS AND THEN JUST MORE OPERATIONAL INTENSITY. SO MINOR AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR COULD BE PRIMARILY AROUND ROUTINE MAINTENANCE AND LIMITED SERVICE ACTIVITIES, WHEREAS MAJOR IS LIKE SUBSTANTIAL DISASSEMBLY, REBUILDING, COLLISION AND BODY WORK PAINTING.
WE KNOW THESE THINGS ARE. AND THEN THE DEFINITIONS COULD OF COURSE STILL INCLUDE A SHORT LIST OF EXAMPLE ACTIVITIES, JUST TO KIND OF GIVE FOLKS A HINT AS TO WHAT THESE ARE.
SO I WON'T READ ALL OF THIS, BUT THIS IS OUR EXISTING DEFINITION OF MINOR AUTOMOBILE REPAIR.
BUT HERE'S A POSSIBLE DEFINITION. AN ESTABLISHMENT ENGAGED IN THE ROUTINE MAINTENANCE, SERVICING, DIAGNOSIS ADJUSTMENTS. HE KIND OF GOES ON OR LIMITED REPAIR OF MOTOR VEHICLES.
DA DA DA DA DA. AND THEN THERE'S SOME TYPICAL ACTIVITIES LIKE OIL AND LUBE SERVICES, TIRE AND BRAKE SERVICE, DIAGNOSTICS, STUFF LIKE THAT. AND THEN THIS IS OUR EXISTING DEFINITION OF MAJOR AUTOMOBILE REPAIR.
AND THEN A POSSIBLE DEFINITION COULD BE AN ESTABLISHMENT ENGAGED IN THE REPAIR, REBUILDING, RECONDITIONING, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH OF MAJOR VEHICLE SYSTEMS OR VEHICLE STRUCTURES, INCLUDING ACTIVITIES INVOLVING SUBSTANTIAL MECHANICAL DISASSEMBLY, COLLISION REPAIR.
YOU KNOW, AND PROLONGED RETENTION OF INOPERABLE VEHICLES IS A KEY PHRASE IN THERE.
ENGINE OR DRIVETRAIN REPLACEMENT BATTERY PACK REPAIR.
I THINK THERE WAS A CONCERN ABOUT STARTERS FOR A CAR THAT KIND OF BROUGHT THIS UP.
SO WE COULD ADD THAT AS AN EXAMPLE ACTIVITY. HERE.
WE DIDN'T NECESSARILY SEE A CONCERN WITH THAT JUST BECAUSE IT DOES HAVE AN SUP.
YOU KNOW, STAFF CAN RECOMMEND CERTAIN CONDITIONS TO KIND OF RESTRICT THOSE USES.
COUNCIL ULTIMATELY HAS THE SAY SO ON THAT. AND THEN WITH THAT ALSO, WE DO HAVE PRETTY ROBUST SPECIAL USE STANDARDS FOR ALL OF THESE USES AND THE CODE TODAY AND COMPARING THOSE WITH OUR PEER CITIES ARE ACTUALLY A LOT MORE ROBUST THAN EVEN MOST OF OUR PEER CITIES.
YOU CAN'T HAVE ANY ON STREET PARKING OF A VEHICLE ASSOCIATED WITH ONE OF THESE USES.
THESE ARE THE SPECIAL USE STANDARDS SPECIFIC TO JUST MINOR AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR.
CAN'T HAVE A VEHICLE THAT'S BEING REPAIRED, REMAIN ON SITE FOR MORE THAN 14 DAYS.
ALL VEHICLES STORED ON SITE HAVE TO BE KEPT INSIDE.
YOU CAN'T KEEP A VEHICLE ON SITE FOR MORE THAN 90 CALENDAR DAYS.
ALSO THEY HAVE TO BE STORED INSIDE. CAN'T, YOU KNOW, COMBINE THIS WITH ANY KIND OF AUTOMOTIVE SALES, THAT KIND OF STUFF. AND THEN THERE WAS ALSO A QUESTION ABOUT CR DISTRICTS ADJACENT TO DISTRICTS THAT ALLOW RESIDENTIAL USES.
AND THEN THE AREAS THAT ARE TURQUOISE ARE CR DISTRICTS ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL.
AND THEN THE RED HIGHLIGHTING IS JUST ALL OF THE VARIOUS CR AND PD, CR DISTRICTS.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S STILL A CONCERN, BUT WE DID A LITTLE MORE LEGWORK ON THAT AS WELL.
SO THAT'S ALL WE HAD ON THAT ONE. COUNCILMAN THOMAS.
SO YOU SAID YOU'RE KIND OF GETTING AWAY FROM PART SPECIFIC LANGUAGE.
SO A RADIATOR SHOP, IF WE GO TO SOME OTHER KIND OF COOLING AND RADIATOR IS NO LONGER A THING,
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THEN NOW WE'VE GOT TO GO CHANGE THE CODE TO SAY COOLING BY RADIATOR.WE'RE NOW DOING IT BY SOMETHING. AND SO KIND OF GETTING AWAY FROM THAT SPECIFIC LANGUAGE IS WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THIS AND MORE BROADER TERMS OF INTENSITY BASED. YEAH. YEAH. I THINK THE THING THAT KIND OF SPURRED THIS WAS FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER BASS GAVE THE EXAMPLE OF LIKE REPLACING A STARTER AND I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT CARS, FULL DISCLOSURE, BUT REPLACING A STARTER IN THE CAR USED TO BE VERY MINOR, LIKE A 15 MINUTE JOB. BUT BECAUSE OF THE, YOU KNOW, EVERY CAR IS A COMPUTER NOW.
YEAH, YEAH. SO YOU KNOW, KIND OF MORE BROADLY DEFINING BOTH OF THESE USES AND LIKE NABILA SAID, DEFINING THEM BY INTENSITY MIGHT BE A GOOD WAY TO GO.
YEAH. OKAY. THAT MAKES SENSE. THE INTENSITY. HOW MUCH OF THE CAR HAVE YOU GOT TO DISASSEMBLE? AND THAT ALSO IS KIND OF WHERE DO YOU DRAW THE LINE THERE.
BUT NEVERTHELESS, THAT GIVES US SOME DISCRETION.
AND FOR NOW, FOR NOW, IN FIVE YEARS, TEN YEARS, THAT WILL ALSO NEED TO BE CHANGED.
BUT ALL OUR CARS ARE FLYING AND POWERED BY CORN, THEN THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
OKAY. VERY GOOD. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. OKAY. WILL YOU GO BACK TO THE THE DAYS? I THINK THE MINOR, THE FIRST. RIGHT. YES. RIGHT THERE.
SO IT SAYS VEHICLES CURRENTLY BEING REPAIRED MAY REMAIN ON SITE FOR A MAXIMUM OF 14 CALENDAR DAYS.
I FAIL TO SEE WHERE AN OIL CHANGE OR TIRE CHANGE PLACE WOULD NEED A VEHICLE ON SITE FOR 14 DAYS.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO ELIMINATE THAT AND MAKE IT NO OVERNIGHT PARKING.
I THINK THAT THAT'S ACTUALLY A GOOD DISTINCTION.
SO MINOR, NO STORAGE, NOTHING. IF YOU HAVE TO KEEP THE VEHICLE OVERNIGHT, KEEP IT IN YOUR.
YEAH. THAT BECOMES A MAJOR. YEAH, I THINK THAT COULD BE A GOOD DISTINCTION AS WELL FOR.
I'M ALSO THINKING FROM CODE ENFORCEMENT PERSPECTIVE, HOW THEY CAN ENFORCE IT.
SO YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. YEAH. DEFINITELY KEEP ON ON STREET PARKING OFF OF THERE BECAUSE THAT'S A, THAT'S EXHAUSTED BY MOST OF THE AUTO REPAIR PLACES.
I MEAN, IF IT WERE UP TO ME, ALL OF THESE WOULD GO IN INDUSTRIAL AND NOT EVEN BE IN CR AT ALL.
BUT I HAVE A FEELING THAT I WILL NOT BE MET WITH A LOT OF AGREEMENT IN THAT.
HOWEVER I DO DEFINITELY WANT TO KEEP ANY I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO SEE LIKE COMMERCIAL AS AN SCP AS WELL, JUST SO WE CAN BE VERY MINDFUL OF WHERE AUTOMOBILE REPAIR MINOR GOES. CONSIDERING THERE'S A LOT OF LIGHT COMMERCIAL ADJACENT TO.
SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS. THAT'S JUST THE WAY THAT THE CITY WAS BUILT.
SO I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO PROPOSE SUP FOR LC AND THAT MINOR REPAIR FOR MINOR.
OKAY. YEP. YOU PICK UP ON YOUR, YOUR 14 DAY POINT.
THE MAJOR USES, I THINK YOU SAID 90 DAYS. I THINK THAT'S TOO LONG.
SO YEAH, LET'S MAKE IT 14. I'M JUST KIDDING. I MEAN, BUT IF IT'S A LARGER CRASH IN THE FRONT END OF THE CAR IS TORN OFF, IT'S GOING TO TAKE MORE. IT DOES TAKE LONGER, DOES TAKE A WHILE.
BUT MY QUESTION IS HOW IS THAT ENFORCEABLE SOMETIMES FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD, CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, IF IT'S IN THEIR RADAR, THEY ACTUALLY GO EVERY DAY.
THEY COUNT THE CARS, THEY TAKE PICTURES. IF THEY SEE ONE CAR BEING THERE FOR MORE THAN I DON'T KNOW IF IT SHOWS UP IN A PICTURE, FOR SIX MONTHS, THEY CAN FLAG IT. SO YEAH, THEY ACTUALLY GO TO THAT KIND OF DETAIL WHEN THINGS ARE FLAGGED.
OKAY. SO FOR A MAJOR, MAJOR, ESPECIALLY THESE THINGS YOU SEE THAT ARE WRECKED, THAT ARE GOING TO TAKE A WHILE TO KNOW IF IT'S A 20 YEAR OLD CAR, YOU'RE NOT GETTING NEW PARTS DOWN AT THE DEALERSHIP. YOU'RE YOU'RE LOOKING FOR JUNK JUNKYARD PARTS. AND SO I THINK THAT COULD TAKE, GIVE THEM A LITTLE MORE TIME IF YOU'RE TRYING TO. SO 90 IS FINE FOR THAT.
I THINK 90 IS GOOD WITH THAT. GOOD FOR THAT. OKAY.
I CERTAINLY AGREE WITH YOUR POSITION ON THE MINOR USE.
YOU SHOULDN'T NEED A WEEK. TWO WEEKS SHOULDN'T NEED OVERNIGHT.
YEAH THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. I MEAN IF WE WANT TO GIVE THEM A IF THEY GET TO GET THERE AT THE END OF THE DAY AND SAY I'M GOING TO LEAVE IT AND GIVE THEM 24 HOURS, I CAN MAYBE SEE THAT. BUT THAT'S ALSO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU ENFORCE THAT?
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OTHER THAN THEM JUST, YOU KNOW, THE REPAIR SHOP, KNOWING THE RULE.SO I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, NO, OVERNIGHT IS PROBABLY MUCH EASIER TO RULE TO ENFORCE GOING FORWARD.
AND THEN, BUT THE 90 DAYS FOR THE, FOR THE MAJOR, I THINK IS A GOOD NUMBER.
MR. BETTS IT'S VERY CHALLENGING. YOU KNOW, THE, THE OVERNIGHT PARKING AND THE PARKING IN THESE PLACES, HAVING DEALT WITH IT ALSO FROM THE MARSHALL SIDE IS VERY CHALLENGING FOR CUSTOMER VEHICLES THAT THAT SIT IN THE LOT FOR DAYS AND WEEKS.
I DON'T THINK JUST FOR SPECIFICITY, WE SHOULD NOT SAY NO OVERNIGHT PARKING.
AND WE'VE GOT A BUNCH OF ORDINANCES READY TO TALK ABOUT OVERNIGHT PARKING, NONE OF WHICH CAN BE ENFORCED, BECAUSE IT WOULD REQUIRE YOU TO ESTABLISH THAT THEY WERE THERE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE NIGHT, AND AGAIN, AT THE END OF THE NIGHT. WE REALLY JUST MEAN NO PARKING AT NIGHT IN CERTAIN HOURS.
AND YOU JUST SAY, AND THERE'S NO PARKING BETWEEN 8 P.M.
AND 6 A.M.. AND SO WHEN THE BUSINESS CLOSES, THEY HAVE TO PUT THOSE CARS UP INSIDE THE BAYS OR SOMEWHERE ELSE, BUT NOT LEAVE THEM SITTING OUT THERE AND ALL THE REST OF THAT.
WE SAID NONE BETWEEN WE HAVE A P M AND 6 A.M..
THAT'S CORRECT. AND IT'S IT'S ALSO THAT KEEPS THAT CONSISTENT IS OUR RULE.
AND 10 P.M. AND 6 A.M. OR SOMETHING. AND OF COURSE, WE DON'T HAVE MARSHALS OUT AT THAT TIME.
SO CARS ARE ALL PARKED AND I GET PICTURES SHOWING THAT THE CARS ARE PARKED THERE AT TWO IN THE MORNING AND I'M LIKE, OKAY, IF WE CAN EVER GET OVERNIGHT PEOPLE TO WORK TO DO THAT, WE'LL GET THEM OUT THERE.
THEN MAYBE WE SHOULD CHANGE IT TO 5 P.M.. WON'T HURT MY FEELINGS.
SO AFTER 5 P.M., IF THERE'S STILL. IF THE CUSTOMER HASN'T PICKED UP THE CAR THAT THEY THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO REPAIR, THEY NEED TO PUT THE CAR IN THE BAY. YEAH. OKAY.
YEAH. EVEN IF YOU MADE IT, YOU KNOW, THE MARSHALS ARE THERE TILL 10:00.
SO IF YOU MADE IT 8:00, YOU COULD GO OUT TO THESE PLACES WHERE WE KNEW THAT THERE WERE VIOLATIONS.
THERE'S NO PARKING ON THESE LOTS AFTER 8:00. YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY COULD ENFORCE IT.
OKAY. WHAT WHAT TIME DOES THE COMMITTEE WANTS? YES. WELL, WHATEVER MAKES ENFORCEMENT MATTER.
ENFORCEMENT MATTER. THE PROBLEM WITH MAKING IT 5:00 IS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE WHO CAN'T GET THEIR CAR SERVICE BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GET HOME AND GET IT. SO I THINK 8:00 IS PROBABLY REASONABLE FOR BOTH THE BUSINESS AND THE FACT THAT WE COULD DO SOME ENFORCEMENT BETWEEN 8 AND 10.
LET'S DO 8 P.M. TO 6 A.M.. YEAH. SO IF YOU WANT TO DROP THEM OFF.
THAT SOUNDS GOOD TO ME. I AGREE. WE ARE NOW JOINED BY COUNCILMAN CARRAWAY.
SIR, WOULD YOU LIKE TO JOIN IN OUR DISCUSSION? WELL, COME ON UP. HE'S NOT TALKING. ANYWHERE EXCEPT THAT CHAIR. NO, I'M JUST KIDDING. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THIS DISCUSSION? NO. OKAY, GREAT. SO YOU WANT TO COME? BROAD QUESTION.
SO THIS THESE ARE THE AUTOMOTIVE ONE CAME FROM COUNCILMAN BASE.
SO WE THOUGHT THOSE TWO KIND OF WENT TOGETHER.
THAT'S WHY WE COMBINED IT. BUT WE HAVE A BIGGER LIST.
WE HAVE A HUGE LIST, THE WHOLE LAND USE CHART WE WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT.
WE WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT PARKING ASSOCIATED WITH EACH USE.
THAT'S LIKE A BIG UNDERTAKING. SO WOULD THE COMMITTEE PREFER.
BECAUSE THESE HAVE ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSED, THIS CAN BE REPORTED OUT BE DONE.
BUT THEN ONCE THE COMP PLAN IS DONE, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WAITING ON.
ONCE THE COMP PLAN IS DONE, WE WANT TO TACKLE THE OVERALL GDC KIND OF PIECE BY PIECE.
BUT THESE TYPE OF THINGS WILL KEEP COMING BACK.
SO DOES THE COMMITTEE WANT TO WAIT FOR THESE FOR.
SO LET'S JUST GO AHEAD AND GET THESE DONE. AND THEN WHENEVER THE TIME COMES, WE CAN.
OKAY, PERFECT. YEP. SO BOTH OF THESE ARE GOOD FOR REPORT OUT.
I THINK SO. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT. NOW TO ITEM D NATIVE PLANT LANDSCAPING AND CITY LANDSCAPING SITES.
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MUCH TALLER THAN ME.AND THEN JUST KIND OF THE BROADER CONTEXT OF, HEY, WHAT ARE WE DOING IN, IN CITY PROJECTS, PARK PROJECTS AND THAT KIND OF THING. SO I PUT TOGETHER A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION ON THAT.
AND I THINK CAN PROVIDE SOME CLARITY TO THAT.
BUT A LOT OF, I WANTED TO START OUT WITH KIND OF FROM A PLANT NERD PERSPECTIVE, THERE'S A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS THAT ARE HAD ABOUT TYPES OF PLANTS. AND SO I'VE GOT SOME DEFINITIONS HERE AND WE'LL READ THEM OUT. BUT YOU'VE GOT YOU'VE GOT A GROUP OF FOLKS THAT ARE PURE NATIVE PLANT FOLKS.
AND THOSE THAT ARE PRETTY SELF-EXPLANATORY THEY'RE NATIVE TO THE AREA.
AND THAT'S A TERM THAT'S USED A LOT ABOUT WATER EFFICIENT PLANTS.
TECHNICALLY XERIC MEANS ARID. SO THAT WOULD BE WHERE THAT ORIGINATED FROM WOULD BE YOUR, YOU KNOW, SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, ARIZONA, NEW MEXICO, WEST TEXAS, AND PLACES LIKE THAT WHERE XERISCAPING WAS, WAS THE GOAL WAS TO YOU CAN'T EVER ELIMINATE IRRIGATION AND WATERING.
THEN YOU'VE GOT ADAPTED PLANTS. AND SO YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF ADAPTED PLANTS AT NURSERIES THAT ARE VERY, VERY DROUGHT TOLERANT. YOU'LL SEE A TON OF VARIETIES FROM JAPAN, CHINA, MEXICO AND THOSE GET AND HAVE BEEN ADAPTED INTO TEXAS LANDSCAPES FOR A VERY LONG TIME AND ARE AND ARE PART OF THE LANDSCAPE DESIGN ENVIRONMENT.
SOME ARE VERY SPECIFICALLY ENGINEERED FOR TEXAS ENVIRONMENT.
AND YOU'VE GOT A THING CALLED TEXAS SMART SCAPE.
SO FROM A PARK PERSPECTIVE, AND ANYTIME WE'RE INVOLVED IN THE DESIGN FOR CITY FACILITIES, THE TEXAS SMART SCAPE, WHICH IS REALLY ADOPTED BY THE NORTH CENTRAL COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS.
AND YOU SEE IT PRETTY COMMONLY REFERRED TO IN THIS PROGRAM WHERE IT'S BOTH NATIVE AND ADAPTED.
AND ITS GOAL IS TO BE RIGHT PLACE, RIGHT PLANT RIGHT ENVIRONMENT, THAT KIND OF THING.
AND, AND BEAR IN MIND THAT THAT'S A WATER PARK.
IT'S SOMEWHAT THEMED, AND SO IT'S INTENDED TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A TROPICAL THEME TO IT.
WE DON'T GENERALLY PLANT THOSE, BUT THEY'RE TROPICAL.
THEY'RE QUITE WATER EFFICIENT. SO JUST KIND OF LOOKING THROUGH HOW WE EVALUATED THOSE PLANTS IN THAT LIST SPECIFICALLY, AND THEN HOW WE APPROACH PLANT DESIGN IN THE PARKS.
WE CLEARLY WANT TO MAKE SURE IT HAS LOW IRRIGATION DEMAND IF POSSIBLE.
AFTER ESTABLISHMENT, I HIGHLIGHTED THAT BECAUSE ALL PLANTS HAVE TO BE ESTABLISHED, THEY HAVE TO BE WATERED PRETTY WELL BEFORE THEIR ROOT ZONE IS IS GROWN ENOUGH TO SELF SUPPORT AND GET INTO THE REGULAR RHYTHM WEATHER CYCLE OF THE YEAR.
WE WANTED TO BE IN TEXAS IN NORTH CENTRAL IN PARTICULAR, WE ARE IN HARD PLANT HARDINESS ZONE EIGHT B, WHICH MEANS YOU GET THE WORST OF THE HEAT AND THE WORST OF THE WINTER.
AND SO THAT FURTHER NARROWS DOWN OUR, OUR PLANT LIST.
AND THEN YOU'VE ALSO GOT A COMPATIBILITY ISSUE WITH HEAVY CLAYS AND ALKALINE SOILS.
AND THAT BASICALLY MEANS THE SOILS IN THIS AREA ARE TYPICALLY VERY EXPANSIVE CLAYS.
THEY'RE VERY HIGH PH PLANTS DON'T. THERE ARE NO PLANTS THAT LIKE A PH OF OF EIGHT AND ABOVE.
THEY JUST TOLERATE IT IN SOME WAYS. WE'VE LISTED OUT WHETHER OR NOT IT'S NATIVE OR ADAPTIVE.
AND WE ALSO WANT TO TRY TO MINIMIZE THE INPUTS AS BEST AS YOU CAN.
YOU CAN'T REALLY EVER ELIMINATE THEM IN A MANMADE ENVIRONMENT, BUT PEST AND FERTILIZER CONTROL.
AND THEN WE ALSO LOOK FOR INVASIVE SPECIES LIST, WHICH IS SO WHAT I DID WAS I HAD A, I BROKE OUT THE PLANT LIST SPECIFICALLY FROM THE SURF AND SWIM IN THE DESIGN. AND SO USING THAT CRITERIA, I KIND OF SPREAD THEM OUT INTO WHETHER IT WAS AN EXCELLENT DEPICTION OF THAT CRITERIA, GOOD, FAIR OR WITH CONDITIONS OR POOR. SO I'LL GO THROUGH THEM REAL QUICK.
AND I WON'T READ EVERY PLANT NAME, BUT THERE, THERE, WE HAVE QUITE A BIT OF THOSE.
THERE'S A COUPLE OF PALM TREE VARIETIES THAT ARE IN THERE.
ROSEMARY, LAVENDER THOSE, THE BIRD OF PARADISE THAT I MENTIONED.
ALL OF THOSE ARE EXCELLENT CANDIDATES FOR THIS CRITERIA.
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AND YOU GOT PURPLE CONEFLOWER, WHICH IS A IS A IS A PERENNIAL FLOWER.THAT'S THAT'S NATIVE TO THIS AREA. PURPLE SMOKE TREE.
AND THEN YOU GO DOWN INTO THIS AREA WHERE ABELIA, SPIREA, AND MEXICAN PETUNIA ARE VERY COMMON IN THE NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS LANDSCAPE IN THE RIGHT PLACE. THEY THEY MAKE VERY LARGE SHRUBS.
THIS PARTICULAR VARIETY TENDS TO STAY WHERE YOU PUT IT.
THE TWO THAT I LOOKED AT ON THE PLANS THAT THAT PROBABLY GOT THROUGH THOSE GATES ARE NANDINA NANDINA ARE VERY DROUGHT TOLERANT, BUT THEY ARE ON CERTAIN INVASIVE SPECIES LISTS.
THEY'RE EVERYWHERE. THEY'RE LIKE PAMPAS GRASS.
PAMPAS GRASS IS EVERYWHERE. BUT IT'S TECHNICALLY ON AN INVASIVE LIST.
AND THEN THE ONE THAT I THINK WAS NOTICEABLY PROBLEMATIC WAS THE JAPANESE U.
AND ABOUT A THIRD OF THEM DIED STRAIGHT AWAY.
AND SO THOSE HAVE BEEN REPLACED ON THE CONTRACTORS.
NICOLE THERE. SO THAT THAT'S HOW THAT PARTICULAR LIST STRATIFIED OUT.
AND THEN HERE JUST KIND OF WHERE, WHERE THE SOURCES ARE THAT I'M CITING FROM HERE, YOU'VE GOT WHERE WE TYPICALLY WILL USE THESE SOURCES TO KIND OF DETERMINE THAT LIST FURTHER IN THAT I'VE GOT TWO OTHER THINGS THAT I, IF THIS MOUSE WILL WORK, THIS IS LIKE A $4 MOUSE.
SO IN OUR, IN OUR GDC, WE ALSO HAVE AN APPROVED PLANT LIST.
SO NOT ONLY DO WE PROMOTE DROUGHT TOLERANT NATIVE AND ADAPTED SPECIES IN CITY INFRASTRUCTURE, WE ALSO ENCOURAGE IT IN, IN PROJECTS THAT PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS WILL SUBMIT.
AND SO YOU'LL SEE THROUGH HERE THIS HAS BEEN VETTED NOT THAT LONG AGO.
YOU'LL SEE. NOT EVERY ONE OF THEM IS GOING TO BE CONSIDERED SUPER DROUGHT TOLERANT.
AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS YOU GOT TO HAVE SOME VARIETY.
WE'RE NOT IN A XERIC ENVIRONMENT, WE'RE IN A MESIC ENVIRONMENT. AND SO WE'VE GOT A LOT OF MOISTURE.
WE GOT A HEAVY CLAY. SO YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE SOME, SOME VARIETY THAT A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT OR A DEVELOPER CAN, CAN PICK FROM. AND TO MAKE THEIR LANDSCAPE FIT WHAT THEY WANT.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF GREAT VARIETIES IN HERE. THE TREES IN PARTICULAR ARE GREAT SPECIES.
SO THIS IS IN OUR DEVELOPMENT CODE. I DIDN'T BRING A COPY BECAUSE IT'S IN A DRAFT FORMAT RIGHT NOW.
BUT WE HAVE OUR PARKS OPERATIONS MANUAL WHICH IS ADOPTED IN 2022, I BELIEVE.
AND WHAT'S BEING DRAFTED NOW IS AN APPENDIX TO THAT WHERE WE ARE CREATING CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS, DESIGN STANDARDS, BUILDING STANDARDS. AND IN THAT WILL BE A MIRROR OF THIS FOR THE MOST PART OF WHAT PLANT SPECIES STAFF IS AUTHORIZED, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, TO PUT IN A LANDSCAPE.
AND SO OUR CALENDAR, OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT AND KERRY PACHECO, WHO'S HERE IS OUR PARKS DIRECTOR, ARE OVERSEEING THAT INITIATIVE SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW, BEING WATER WISE WITH OUR PLANT SELECTIONS IS PART OF OUR DAILY PRACTICES.
ANY QUESTIONS? COMMITTEE. QUESTIONS.
I HAVE QUESTIONS. I'M JUST CURIOUS, WHERE DOES OUR ILLUSTRIOUS FIRE.
WE'LL GO IN YOUR ON SLIDE TWO. IT'S NATIVE. IT'S GAILLARDIA.
IT'S AN INDIAN BLANKET. IT'S GOT SEVERAL NAMES.
IT. AS A MATTER OF FACT, I KIND OF PICKED THIS PICTURE ON PURPOSE.
THAT'S A CLASSIC XERISCAPING. THAT'S CENTRAL TEXAS.
THAT IS THAT IS VERY DRY, DRY ENVIRONMENT. NOT ALL OF THOSE PLANTS LIKE BEING IN THIS TYPE OF SOIL.
THOSE ARE THOSE TEND TO BE SANDY, GRAVELLY, WELL-DRAINED.
WE HAVE THE DEAD OPPOSITE OF THAT. SO THE FIREWHEEL PLANT IS A NATIVE PERENNIAL WILDFLOWER.
I MEAN, THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. ANY POKEY PLANT.
AND THEY WERE LIKE, WHY ARE THESE NON-NATIVE PLANTS HERE? AND IT WASN'T NECESSARILY ABOUT XERISCAPE, IT WAS JUST MORE NON-NATIVE.
AND MAYBE THAT WAS IN REFERENCE TO THE NANDINA AND THE YOU.
I'M NOT SURE. THEY DIDN'T SAY EXACTLY WHICH SPECIES THEY WERE SPEAKING OF.
BUT I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IN YOU KNOW, IN, IN PLANNING FOR FOR LANDSCAPING AND MUNICIPAL FACILITIES THAT WE HAVE PLANTS THAT REQUIRE, YOU KNOW, LESS MAINTENANCE THAN
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OTHERS. FOR EXAMPLE, IN FRONT OF THE POLICE STATION, THEY HAVE YOU KNOW, BARE FLOWER BEDS THAT HAVE BEEN BARE FOR YEARS.AND I THINK MAYBE ONE OF THE COUNCIL PEOPLE HAS SOME SEEDS FOR THOSE THAT THEY'RE PLANNING ON USING, BUT THAT WOULD BE A BUDGET. BUT IF YOU DON'T, IF YOU DON'T WANT THEM TO DO THAT, THEN YOU MIGHT WANT TO PLANT STUFF THERE.
AND IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW ESPECIALLY SINCE WE'RE GETTING INTO THE CORRIDOR STUFF, I KNOW YOU HAVE A PLANT LIST FOR GATEWAYS AND CORRIDORS, BUT I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T PLANT STUFF THAT GOES IN AND DIES BECAUSE IT JUST CAN'T ADAPT TO OUR AREA. SO THAT WAS THE MAIN PURPOSE OF THIS. AND IF YOU HAD IT TO DO OVER AGAIN, WOULD YOU CHANGE UP THE LIST A LITTLE BIT? AND ONLY THOSE TWO PLANTS. AND THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO.
YOU HAVE EVERY ASSURANCE THAT IT HAS BEEN AND CONTINUES TO BE OUR PRACTICE TO PUT.
WE DON'T LIKE REPLACING PLANT MATERIAL. IT'S TIME CONSUMING.
IT'S EXPENSIVE. IT TAKES TIME TO. AND THAT'S WHY I REALLY LOVE THE SUPERSTAR LIST IS BECAUSE EVERY NOW AND THEN NEW VARIETIES COME OUT AND WE'LL TRY THEM OUT AND THEY PERFORM SPECTACULARLY. A TRUE NATIVE PERSON WOULD ABSOLUTELY SAY THAT.
WHY ARE THERE NOT ENOUGH NATIVE PLANTS? BECAUSE THAT'S THEIR THING. NOT EVERYBODY AGREES.
IF WE WERE TO GO STRICTLY EVERYWHERE WITH TRULY NATIVE, I CAN TELL YOU FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IT'S NOT ALWAYS SUPER ATTRACTIVE. THEY ALSO A LOT OF THE STRATEGIES THAT THOSE PLANTS HAVE FOR DEALING WITH DROUGHT IS TO GO DORMANT, DORMANT, TURN BROWN BUFFALO GRASS, CERTAIN OTHER GRASSES.
WE HAD THE HERITAGE TRAIL OVER BY THE MUSEUM AND THAT DESIGN WAS 100% NATIVE PLANTINGS.
AND I HAVE BEEN HERE SEVEN YEARS, AND I'VE NEVER SEEN SO MANY PHONE CALLS OF COMPLAINTS TO BRIAN BRADFORD ABOUT WHAT ARE THESE STUPID WEEDS DOING OUT AT OUR MAJOR CORRIDOR? AND SO THERE WE ARE. THAT'S WHY WE LIKE TEXAS SMART SCAPE AND NATIVE AND ADAPTED BECAUSE YOU CAN DO BOTH.
YOU CAN PUT THE REALLY PRETTY NATIVE STUFF, WHICH THERE IS A LOT THERE.
YOU SEE A LOT OF REALLY ATTRACTIVE FLOWERS THERE.
AND THEN THE THINGS THAT COMPLIMENT IT THAT ARE VERY DROUGHT HARDY.
SO OKAY. I FEEL VERY, VERY CONFIDENT THAT STAFF'S DOING ALL THEY CAN TO MEET THAT GOAL.
WHERE DO PERENNIALS FIT INTO THESE LISTS? BECAUSE I WOULD ASSUME THAT HAVING A PERENNIAL IS, YOU KNOW, DEFINITELY GOING TO BE KNOCKED UP HIGHER ON THE LIST.
WELL, SO WE WOULD IN OUR WHEN THEY FINISHED THE LIST.
SO YOU'LL HAVE YOU'LL HAVE LARGE SHADE TREES, MEDIUM SHADE TREES, ORNAMENTAL TREES, GRASSES, ANNUALS, PERENNIALS, VINES. SO PERENNIALS ARE JUST THE ONES THAT THAT DIE IN THE WINTER AND COME BACK IN THE SPRING.
AND SO PERENNIALS IN MANY, BUT NOT ALL PERENNIALS ARE, I WOULD SAY ARE DROUGHT TOLERANT. THEY JUST DIE IN THE WINTER AND COME BACK. SO THEY WILL HAVE A COMPLETE LIST OF PERENNIALS THAT WE THINK MEET THAT CRITERIA.
OKAY. WELL, I'D LIKE TO HOLD THIS UNTIL THAT LIST IS COMPLETE.
AND THEN YOU GUYS CAN COME BACK AND WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT IF THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU.
ABSOLUTELY. GREAT. HOWEVER LONG THAT TAKES. YEAH.
WE'RE GETTING WE'RE GETTING CLOSE. I SAW A DRAFT TODAY. OKAY.
NO HURRY, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO CHECK IT OUT, IF NOT FOR MY OWN USE.
ABSOLUTELY. VERY MUCH. OKAY. IT IS 6:00 PM AND WE ARE ADJOURNED.
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