* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. READY? BORN READY. [00:00:01] BORN READY, . OKAY, I'M READY WHEN YOU ARE, COURTNEY. JUST LET ME KNOW. WE'RE GOOD. OKAY. OKAY. WELCOME TO THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES COMMITTEE MEETING. TODAY IS SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2026. IT IS 4:35 PM I AM MARGARET LUT CHAIR, AND I'M JOINED BY COMMITTEE MEMBER JIMMY TRAN AND COMMITTEE MEMBER JOE THOMAS JR. UH, WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM ONE ON THE AGENDA, A CONSIDER APPROVAL OF THE AUGUST 4TH, 2026 MEETING MINUTES. DO I HAVE A MOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE? OKAY. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? I SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. THAT MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ITEM TWO, PUBLIC COMMENTS. DO WE HAVE ANYONE HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS? NO, WE DO NOT. ITEM THREE ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. THREE. A REVIEW OF IMPROPER STORAGE DEFINITION AND ENFORCEMENT UNDER CHAPTER 32 OF THE GARLAND CODE OF ORDINANCES. GOOD AFTERNOON, UH, COMMITTEE RYAN MORRIS, CODE COMPLIANCE DIRECTOR. AND TODAY WE APPRECIATE YOU HAVING CODE COMPLIANCE HERE. WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT IMPROPER STORAGE, UH, PARTICULARLY IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS. THIS IS OUR MAIN CONCERN. UH, SO A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ABOUT THIS. UH, PARTICULAR ISSUE IS COVERED, UM, A LITTLE BIT MORE PROPERLY IN COMMERCIAL AREAS. HOWEVER, IN OUR RESIDENTIAL DEFINITIONS AND ORDINANCES, UH, IT'S NOT FULLY DEFINED. UH, WE ARE ABLE TO ENFORCE IT, BUT IT TAKES SOME MANEUVERING TO, TO REALLY ADEQUATELY ENFORCE IT. AND SO WE WERE TASKED WITH, UH, REVIEWING OUR CURRENT DEFINITIONS AND ORDINANCES AND COMING BACK TO THE COMMITTEE WITH SOME SUGGESTIONS. AND SO LET'S GO TO PRESENTATION MODE. ALRIGHT, SO AS WE CURRENTLY STAND, AS I MENTIONED, WE ARE ABLE TO ENFORCE THIS ORDINANCE, BUT I WANTED TO GIVE SOME BACKGROUND ABOUT HOW WE DO IT AND HOW CUMBERSOME IT CAN BE. SO UNDER GARLAND CODE OF ORDINANCES 32 50, IT LISTS DEFINITIONS. UH, ONE OF THOSE DEFINITIONS IS IMPROPER STORAGE, WHICH IS PRIMARILY FOR, SPECIFICALLY FOR RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS. AND I JUST UNDERLINED AND HIGHLIGHTED A FEW KEY POINTS, UH, IF IT IS STORED FOR GREATER THAN 24 HOURS. UH, IF THE MATERIALS THEMSELVES ARE SUBJECT TO DETERIORATION BY THE ELEMENTS OR IF IT'S STORED IN A DISORDERLY MANNER OR IN SUCH A MANNER TO OFFER HARBORAGE TO VERMIN OR IF STORED A MINIMUM OF SIX INCHES, LESS THAN SIX INCHES ABOVE THE GROUND. SO WE'RE KIND OF MANEUVERING THROUGH THESE DIFFERENT SPECIFICATIONS AND IT PROVIDES FOR AN EASY OUT FOR SOME VIOLATORS, RIGHT? SO IF THEY MEET THESE PARTS OF THE DEFINITION, THEN WE'RE UNABLE TO ENFORCE. ALRIGHT? SO IN SOME CASES WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO FIND SOMETHING IN HERE THAT WE CAN'T ENFORCE, BUT SOMETIMES WE'RE, WE COME UP SHORT. ALRIGHT, SO, UH, SOMETHING I WANNA DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO ANOTHER DEFINITION IN 32 50, WHICH IS THE DEFINITION OF NUISANCE. AND I WON'T READ THE ENTIRE SECTION, BUT JUST WANTED TO UNDERLINE HERE'S WHERE IT REFERENCES IMPROPER STORAGE. SO WE'RE USING THE DEFINITION OF IMPROPER STORAGE AND WE'RE TYING IT TO ITS MENTION IN THE NUISANCE DEFINITION IN ORDER TO CITE UNDER GARLAND CODE OF ORDINANCES 32 53 NUISANCES. SO I HOPE THAT MADE SENSE. IT'S KIND OF CONVOLUTED, BUT WE USE THAT, THOSE TWO DEFINITIONS IN ORDER TO LOOSELY CI IT UNDER THE NUISANCE CODE SECTION. AND SO THE NUISANCE CODE, NUISANCE CODE SECTION ITSELF IS FAIRLY VAGUE. UH, IT JUST SAYS THAT A PERSON COMMITS AN OFFENSE. THEY CAUSE SUFFER OR ALLOW A NUISANCE ON ANY LOT OR LOTS GROUNDS OR YARDS OR ANY OTHER PLACE WITHIN THE CITY. AND SO WE'RE HAVING TO DRAW FROM THOSE TWO DEFINITIONS TO MAKE THAT FIT A NUISANCE. SO IT LEAVES A LITTLE BIT OF WIGGLE ROOM FOR ENFORCEMENT. UH, SO JUST FOR SOME PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE OF SOME CASES THAT WE'VE HAD RECENTLY, [00:05:01] UH, THESE WERE CASES THAT ACTUALLY SAT FOR QUITE A BIT OF TIME, UNFORTUNATELY, AND IT WAS DUE PARTIALLY INTERNALLY TO OUR INTERPRETATION INTERNALLY OF HOW WE ENFORCE THE ORDINANCE. UH, SO HAD THE TEAM JUST TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE AND WE REALLY WENT BACK INTO IT WITH THE FINE TOOTH COMB TO FIND A WAY TO INTERPRET THE ORDINANCE THAT WAS FAVORABLE FOR US. SO IN THE PICTURE ON THE LEFT, WHEN YOU SEE THE MATERIALS THAT WERE STACKED, UM, OF THE FENCE MATERIALS, THEY WERE STORED FOR QUITE SOME TIME AND THEY WERE SIX INCHES ABOVE THE GROUND. SO IT MET SOME OF THOSE ELEMENTS IN THE DEFINITION THAT WOULD PRECLUDE IT FROM ENFORCEMENT. HOWEVER, THERE WAS A PART IN THAT DEFINITION THAT STATES IF IT'S STORED IN DISARRAY, THAT WE COULD ENFORCE IT. AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE LEANED ON TO GET A WARRANT TO REMOVE THAT. UH, THE SAME GOES FOR THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT. THESE, THE LANDSCAPING MATERIALS, THEY CHECK SOME OF THE BOXES, THEY'RE NOT SUBJECT TO THE DETERIORATION, UM, BUT THEY WERE STORED FOR QUITE SOME TIME. AND SO WE USED ANOTHER ELEMENT IN THAT DEFINITION TO DETERMINE THE NUISANCE. WE EXECUTED A WARRANT AND WE WERE ABLE TO REMOVE THAT. HOWEVER, WE'RE JUST, AS YOU CAN SEE, IT TAKES A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT IN ORDER TO DO IT. AND WHAT WE WANNA DO IS MAKE THIS A MORE CLEAR AND STRAIGHTFORWARD PROCESS WHERE WE CAN EASILY IDENTIFY WHAT CONSTITUTES IMPROPER STORAGE AND WE CAN CITE WITHOUT HAVING TO JUMP THROUGH SEVERAL HOOPS TO GET THERE. UM, SO SOME EXAMPLES OF COMMONLY, UH, STORED IMPROPERLY STORED MATERIALS OR LANDSCAPE MATERIALS, FENCING OF STAGNANT PROJECTS THAT TAKE, YOU KNOW, QUITE A BIT OF TIME AND LONG TERM STORAGE. MAD CHAIRMAN, MAY I ABSOLUTELY, GO AHEAD. UM, IF YOU'LL GO BACK THERE ONE, UM, SURE. YOUR PICTURE ON THE RIGHT THERE, THAT LOOKS LIKE BAGS OF MULCH TO ME. AND IF IT WAS OUT THERE FOR 24 HOURS WHERE THEY LAID 'EM OUT TO, THAT WOULD BE ONE THING. YOU'RE SAYING THOSE BAGS WERE LAYING THERE A LONG, LONG TIME NEVER OPENED AND THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE. CORRECT. OKAY. CORRECT. THEY WERE OUT THERE FOR SEVERAL, PROBABLY SEVERAL MONTHS, TO BE HONEST. OKAY. YEAH. AND I CAN SEE WHERE, AND THE FENCE IS NOT, NOT TECHNICALLY NOT SUBJECT TO DETERIORATION FROM THE ELEMENTS. I GUESS WE ALL ARE, BUT DISARRAY I THINK IS A GOOD, THAT ONE I GET. BUT I KNOW, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DROVE BY AND SAW IT AND GAVE 'EM A TICKET, WELL IT LOOKS LIKE, WELL, WE LAID 'EM OUT THERE AND WE'RE COMING BACK TOMORROW TO CUT 'EM OPEN AND DUMP 'EM. WELL, UH, YEAH. BUT IF YOU DON'T COME BACK FOR WEEKS OR MONTHS CORRECT, THEN THAT'S A DIFFERENT THING. SO, OKAY. JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD THAT PICTURE. YEAH, AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S A GREAT POINT. AND THAT'S WHY WE WANNA PUT TIME LIMITATIONS, UH, BECAUSE THAT'S A DEFENSE THAT PEOPLE OFTEN WILL USE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON IT, WE COULD BE, UH, WORKING WITH IT NEXT WEEK. RIGHT. BUT IF IT SITS FOR WEEKS AND WEEKS, THEN IT'S AN, IT'S AN ISSUE. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, SO JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, A LITTLE BIT MORE BACKGROUND. AS I MENTIONED, THE CURRENT ORDINANCE, UH, RELIES PRIMARILY ON DEFINITIONS AND LIMITED ZONING STANDARDS. UH, THERE'S NO DIRECT OPERATIVE PROHIBITION. THEY CURRENTLY EXIST. IT DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY STATE, UH, WHAT'S ALLOWED AND WHAT'S, UH, DISALLOWED. UH, THE EXISTING LANGUAGE FOCUSES ON ELEVATION, THAT SIX INCH RULE RATHER THAN VISIBILITY AND NEIGHBORHOOD IMPACT. AND SO FOR US, THAT MEANS ENFORCEMENT CAN BE INCONSISTENT AND IN SOME CASES LEGALLY VULNERABLE IF IT'S NOT REALLY STRONG IN THAT LANGUAGE THAT'S, UH, PLACED INTO THE ORDINANCE. UM, SO WE HAVE A FEW SUGGESTIONS. WE'VE DONE SOME RESEARCH AND, UH, WHAT WE WOULD PROPOSE TO DO IS TO CREATE A NEW ENFORCEABLE SUBSECTION UNDER 32 53, AND IT WOULD ESTABLISH OBJECTIVE SCREENING AND VISIBILITY STANDARDS. AND THAT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT WE REQUIRE IN OUR COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS, RIGHT? WE REQUIRE ALL OUTSIDE STORAGE TO BE SCREENED FROM PUBLIC VIEW. SO THAT SAME STANDARD COULD BE BROUGHT ACROSS TO RESIDENTIAL AND IT MAKES IT, UM, MAKES OUR STANDARDS, UH, VERY CLEAR. UH, WE ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE WE PROVIDE SOME FLEXIBILITY FOR TEMPORARY PROJECTS AND CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY. UH, SOME PERMITTED PARTICULARLY THAT THOSE THAT ARE PERMITTED AND SOME THAT DON'T REQUIRE A PERMIT, BUT MAY TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME. BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE PUT SOME TIGHT PARAMETERS AROUND THAT. SO, UH, THOSE PROJECTS DON'T LINGER INDEFINITELY. AND THEN FINALLY, WHAT IT, THE END RESULT IS THAT IT WOULD STRENGTHEN OUR ENFORCEMENT CONSISTENCY AND LEGAL DEFENSIBILITY. SO OUR KEY RECOMME KEY RECOMMENDATIONS ARE COMPRISED OF FOUR MAJOR COMPONENTS. UH, WE WANT TO ONE, DEFINE OUTSIDE STORAGE. DEFINE [00:10:01] SCREEN FROM PUBLIC VIEW AND ACTIVELY IN USE. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN, RIGHT? WHAT DOES ACTIVELY IN USE MEAN? IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON IT, BUT WE NEED TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF FRAMEWORK AROUND WHAT THAT MEANS. SO IT'S NOT SITTING FOR DAYS AND WEEKS. UH, NUMBER TWO, WE WANT TO PROHIBIT VISIBLE IMPROPER STORAGE IN FRONT YARDS, DRIVEWAYS, CARPORTS, AND PORCHES. ANYWHERE THAT'S VISIBLE, UH, VIEWABLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THOSE AREAS ARE CLEAR. UH, NUMBER THREE, REQUIRE COMPLIANCE SCREENING IN VISIBLE AREAS. AND IN THE NEXT SLIDE OR TWO, I WILL DISCUSS A COUPLE OF RECOMMENDED OPTIONS TO ALLOW AND THEN FINALLY ALLOW REASONABLE TEMPORARY STORAGE FOR ACTIVE PROJECTS. AND OF COURSE, EMERGENCY STORM RELATED DAMAGE AND REPAIRS ON, ON NUMBER TWO THERE. BRIAN, DO YOU, UM, IF THE, IF MY CARPORT'S IN THE BACKYARD, BUT I HAVE AN ALLEY, IS THAT VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY? UH, YES. IT WOULD COUNCILMAN UNDER, UH, IF IT'S A PUBLIC ACCESSIBLE LOCATION, INCLUDING PAVED AND UNPAVED ALLEYS THAT WE DO TRAVEL AND ENFORCE, THEN YES, IT WOULD BE ENFORCEABLE UNDER THE CODE. OKAY. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND, UH, HERE ARE A FEW SCREENING STANDARDS THAT, UH, WE CAN, WE'D LIKE TO RECOMMEND JUST TO KEEP, KEEP IT CONSISTENT. UH, SCREENING COULD CONSIST OF SOLID FENCING, UH, MASONRY WALLS, OPAQUE GATES WHERE YOU MAY HAVE A CHAIN LINK FENCE, BUT YOU HAVE AN OPAQUE, UM, FABRIC THAT OBSCURES THE, THE VIEW. UM, EVEN IF YOU HAVE NATURAL, UH, SCREENING DENSE VEGETATION, VEGETATIVE VEGETATIVE SCREENING COULD WORK AS A DETERRENT AS LONG AS IT CAN'T BE SEEN BY THE PUBLIC, THEN THAT COULD UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES, UM, ACT AS SCREENING. NOW WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT'S EVERGREEN, RIGHT? BECAUSE IF IT'S, IF IN THE WINTERTIME IN THE FALL RIGHT, THAT IT DOESN'T WORK, SO IT WOULD NOT MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS. UM, BUT IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO, UH, DISQUALIFY CERTAIN TYPES OF SCREENING SUCH AS TARPS AND TEMPORARY COVERING. SO LET'S SAY YOU HAVE MATERIALS STORED OUTSIDE IN THE FRONT YARD OR IN THE SIDE AND YOU PUT A LARGE BLUE TARP ON THE TOP OF IT AND PUT A BRICK ON TOP OR PUT A ROPE, THAT WOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED PROPER SCREENING AND, AND BLOCKING VISIBILITY. WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S DEFINED, UM, CLEARLY. WHAT, UH, WHAT CONSTITUTES PROPER SCREENING WOULD THAT APPLY TO? UM, AUTOS AS WELL? AUTOMOBILES. AUTOMOBILES AS FAR AS JUNK MOTOR VEHICLES AND PROPER VEHICLES. MM-HMM . UM, IT WOULD, SO IF WE, AND IT KIND OF DEPENDS, RIGHT? SO IF WE NOTICE, LET'S SAY EVEN IF THEY HAVE A TARP OVER THAT VEHICLE, BUT THERE ARE CLEAR SIGNS OF INOPERABILITY OR DETERIORATION, IT'S A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT FOR US, BUT THERE ARE SOME AVENUES THAT WE COULD STILL ENFORCE. IF IT'S CLEARLY INOPERABLE, THEN THERE IS AN AVENUE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO HERE WE'LL JUST DISCUSS, WE'LL DISCUSS A FEW PRACTICAL EXCEPTIONS. UM, ACTIVE CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS, UH, PARTICULARLY IF IT'S PERMITTED. UM, BUT THEN THERE ARE PROJECTS THAT MAY NOT REQUIRE PERMIT IF IT'S JUST, UH, FENCE REPAIR OR CERTAIN REPAIRS THAT MAY NOT REQUIRE PERMIT, BUT STILL REQUIRE, UH, PROJECT MATERIALS TO BE STORED ON SITE. UM, TEMPORARY REPAIR MATERIALS, STORM RECOVERY AND EMERGENCY REPAIRS. WE WANNA BE CONSCIOUS AND COGNIZANT OF THOSE EXCEPTIONS AND PROJECTS SHOWING ACTIVE PROGRESS TOWARD COMPLETION. AGAIN, WITH THE CAVEAT THAT WE NEED TO DEFINE WHAT ACTIVE PROGRESS LOOKS LIKE, RIGHT? THAT WAS MAKING SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS ON A CONSISTENT BASIS. AND THAT WILL, I'LL JUST SAY THAT WILL REQUIRE SOME COMMON SENSE AND SOME INSPECTOR DISCRETION TO A CERTAIN EXTENT. UH, IF WE PUT A TIME LIMIT OF 24 OR 72 HOURS, BUT WE HAVE HEAVY RAIN AND STORMS COMING THROUGH, THEN, YOU KNOW, WE'LL WE, WE RELY ON OUR INSPECTORS TO USE SOME DISCRETION AND COMMON SENSE TO NOT ENFORCE AGAINST SOMEONE IN THE MIDDLE OF A RAIN, SNOW HAILSTORM, RIGHT? UM, AND I HAVE FULL CONFIDENCE THAT WE CAN DO THAT. UH, SOME OF THE BENEFITS OF THE PROPOSED CHANGES ARE, UH, ONE, AN IMPROVEMENT IN NEIGHBORHOOD APPEARANCE AND CORRIDOR AESTHETICS. UH, WE'RE MATCHING WHAT WE REQUIRE FOR OUR COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS WITH WHAT WE [00:15:01] CAN REQUIRE FOR OUR RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS. UH, NUMBER TWO, WE'RE REDUCING VISUAL BLIGHT AND NUISANCE CONDITIONS. UH, 'CAUSE AS AS STATED EARLIER, IF A RESIDENT MEETS THOSE CRITERIA LISTED IN THE DEFINITION, IT STORED SIX INCHES ABOVE THE GROUND. IT'S NEAT AND ORDERLY. IT'S NOT SUBJECT TO DETERIORATION. THEY COULD TECHNICALLY, IN SOME CASES HAVE THAT OUT THERE FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME. SO WE CAN TIGHTEN, TIGHTEN THOSE REGULATIONS. UH, NUMBER THREE, WE WANNA SUPPORT REDEVELOPMENT AND NEIGHBORHOOD STABILIZATION GOALS. THAT'S A BIG PART OF WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE WITH GARLAND ON THE RISE. SO THIS SUPPORTS, UH, THAT INITIATIVE. AND THEN FOUR, INCREASED CONSISTENCY, CLARITY AND ENFORCEABILITY, UH, GIVES OUR TEAM CLEAR DEFINITIONS, CLEAR GUIDANCE, UM, JUST SO THEY CAN TRULY JUST GO OUT THERE AND CITE WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH FIVE OR SIX DIFFERENT CHECKPOINTS TO DETERMINE CAN WE ISSUE A CITATION ON THIS PROPERTY. SO THOSE ARE OUR GOALS WITH THAT. UM, AND SO JUST IN, IN REVIEW, UH, WE DID DO SOME RESEARCH ON, AND WE BORROWED SOME BEST PRACTICES FROM DIFFERENT, UH, NEIGHBORING CITIES. SO WE, UH, RESEARCHED RICHARDSON AND WE LOOKED AT THEIR VISIBILITY AND SCREENING STANDARDS, WHICH WE LIKED. UH, AND ALLEN, THEY HAD SOME PRACTICAL ENFORCEMENT FRAMEWORK THAT WE COULD REALLY DRAW FROM. AND THEN ETTE, UM, THEY SPOKE ABOUT BROAD, THE VISIBILITY BASED NUISANCE LANGUAGE. CAN YOU SEE THIS FROM A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY? THAT'S OUR, THAT'S OUR STANDARD. IS IT, IS IT VIEWABLE FROM A PUBLIC STREET, PUBLIC ALLEY SIDEWALK, ET CETERA. SO THOSE ARE THE ELEMENTS WE WOULD LIKE TO BRING FOR CONSIDERATION, UH, TO STRENGTHEN OUR ORDINANCE, ADD A SUBSECTION AT, UH, GCO 32 53 TO CLEARLY DEFINE IMPROPER STORAGE AND GIVE US, UH, SOME ADDITIONAL ENFORCEMENT MECHANISMS. AND SO WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. I APPRECIATE, UH, THE OPPORTUNITY. MADAM CHAIR HAS A QUESTION. UH, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE FIRST SLIDE OR SECOND SLIDE? WE TALK ABOUT THE STAGNANT PROJECT. SURE. I'LL START RIGHT THERE. STAGNANT PROJECT. HERE WE GO. GIMME AN EXAMPLE OF THAT STAGNANT PROJECT. ABSOLUTELY. SO A STAGNANT PROJECT COULD BE ANYTHING FROM, UH, ROOF REPAIR, FENCE REPAIR, UM, IN ADDITION TO A PROPERTY, AND IT'S TAKING LONGER THAN IT SHOULD, RIGHT? SO WE, WE CAN, IN SOME CASES WE'LL GET A, AN EXCUSE OR A REASON OF WHY MATERIALS ARE SITTING IS BECAUSE WE'RE WORKING ON A PROJECT, RIGHT? AND SO JUST DEFINING WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT MEANS, RIGHT? CAN WE CAN, CAN THOSE MATERIALS SIT FOR DAYS, WEEKS, OR MONTHS AT A TIME WITH THE RATIONALE THAT WE'RE ACTIVELY WORKING ON IT? SO DEFINING WHAT ACTIVELY WORKING MEANS WILL ALLOW US TO KEEP THOSE STAGNANT PROJECTS FROM JUST LINGERING FOR DAYS AND WEEKS AND MONTHS. SO HOW MANY DAYS A WEEK WE CONSIDER THAT OR SHORT TERM PROJECT, DO WE HAVE THAT DEFINITION? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. UH, WE, WE HAVE SOME SUGGESTIONS WE'D LIKE TO PROPOSE. UH, THAT'S, WE'D LIKE TO GET SOME FEEDBACK ON THAT AS WELL. UM, BUT THINKING IN THE REALM OF 72 HOURS WITHOUT SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS BEING MADE, IF WE'RE NOT SEEING MATERIALS, UH, FOR INSTANCE, IF WE SEE A STACK OF, FOR FENCE REPAIR, WE SEE A STACK SIX FEET HIGH OF FENCE PANELS, AND THAT STACK IS STILL SIX FEET HIGH A WEEK LATER AND A WEEK LATER WE'RE NOT SEEING SIGNIFICANT MOVEMENT. SO, UM, SOMEWHERE IN THE RAM OF 72 HOURS FOR SOME PROGRESS TO BE CLEARLY SHOWN. SEAN. SO AT TODAY WE HAVE THE IMP IMPROPER STORAGE IN ENFORCEMENT FOR THE COMMERCIAL, CORRECT? WE HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE ON THE RESIDENTIAL. WELL, IT'S CLEARER. THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. IT'S CLEARER. WE, WE DO HAVE IT IN RESIDENTIAL, BUT IT'S MUCH CLEARER IN COMMERCIAL WHERE IT SAYS SPECIFICALLY THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE OUTSIDE MATERIALS STORED IN PLAIN VIEW. IT HAS TO BE SCREENED FROM PUBLIC VIEW. UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO WORK ON WITH ENFORCEMENT. UH, BUT IT'S CLEARLY IN THERE IN THE ORDINANCE. SO IT'S, IT'S CLEAR FOR OUR INSPECTORS TO ENFORCE IT NOT SO CLEAR IN RESIDENTIAL, IN THIS PRIVATE STORAGE ORDINANCE THAT WE HAVE. IS THAT ALSO THE ONE THAT WE HAVE CODE COMPLIANCE, RIGHT? THE HIGH GRASS, THE IMPROPER [00:20:01] JONES CARS MM-HMM . IT'S ALSO CONSIDERED IMPROPER STORAGE PARK ON THE DRIVEWAY. SO HOW ARE THEY RELATE TO THE OTHERS? THE ONE THAT WE RIGHT NOW IS, UH, WE JUST, TODAY IS SEPTEMBER 1ST, RIGHT? WE ARE START THAT ENFORCEMENT. SURE. SO HOW IS THAT RELATE TO THIS? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. SO THOSE ORDINANCES, THOSE VIOLATIONS ARE MORE CLEARLY DEFINED. SO HIGH GRASS IS DEFINED IN A SEPARATE SECTION IN THE SAME CHAPTER. AND SO IT'S SEPARATE AND APART AS WELL AS IMPROPER VEHICLES IS, IS CLEARLY DEFINED. HOW WE ENFORCE IT, HOW WE IDENTIFY IT, AND THEN HOW WE REMOVE IT IF WE NEED TO. UH, SO THOSE ARE CLEARLY DEFINED WHERE WE'RE THE GAP THAT EXISTS, RIGHT? FOR FOR RIGHT, FOR THIS ONE IS MORE SO GEARED TOWARD MATERIALS THAT ARE STORED, FENCING, MATERIALS, LANDSCAPING, UM, YOU KNOW, REFRIGERATORS, APPLIANCES THINGS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. THINGS THAT SHOULD NOT BE STORED OUTSIDE, UH, THAT KEEP THE NEIGHBORHOODS JUST IN, IN POOR, POOR VISIBILITY. SO IN THE PROCESS OF FIRST THREE MONTHS THAT WE ARE KIND OF WARNING TO THE RESIDENTS, RIGHT? WE GO AROUSED AND WE GIVE THE WARNING BECAUSE WE SEE HIGH GRASS AND WE SEE IMPROPER PARKINGS, WHATEVER IT IS. AND THIS IS, WE SEE THIS HAPPEN DURING THAT PROCESS, AND THAT'S WHAT WE FOCUS ON THIS. YEAH. SO YOU'RE ASKING WHAT WHAT DO WE DO CURRENTLY? YEAH. SO, SO CURRENTLY WE ARE WORKING ON THE ENFORCEMENT, RIGHT? THE CODE COMPLIANCE. AND IN THAT PROCESS WE SEE A LOT OF IMPROPER STORES. WE DO. ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY. AND SO IT IS ENFORCEABLE. UM, COUNCILMAN TRA IT, IT IS ENFORCEABLE, BUT THERE ARE LOOPHOLES THAT WE WANT TO CLOSE. GOTCHA. SO IT IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT IN A SITUATION WHERE WE CAN'T ENFORCE THIS AT ALL. AND SO WHEN IT'S CLEAR IF SOMEBODY HAS A REFRIGERATOR AND AN APPLIANCE OUTSIDE, THAT'S VERY, VERY CLEAR. BUT THERE ARE SOME NUANCES WHERE WE HAVE TO, UH, LOOK AT THE DEFINITION AND REALLY WORK HARDER THAN WE SHOULD HAVE TO, TO MAKE THAT CLEAR TO BE A VIOLATION. THERE, THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE JUST, YOU KNOW, VERY CLEAR, VERY UNDERSTANDABLE, BUT THERE ARE SOME AREAS THAT COULD BE A LITTLE AMBIGUOUS. I AGREE. THAT PART OF GO ON THE RISE, WE MAKE SURE THAT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD LOOKED BEAUTIFUL. I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YES, MA'AM. UM, OKAY. SO ONE OF THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE, UM, COMPONENTS WAS HARBRIDGE TO VERN TO VERMON. THAT'S A LITTLE TRICKY BECAUSE THAT'S, ISN'T THAT COVERED BY HEALTH? UH, THEY CONTROL GREAT QUESTION. THEY DO CONTROL VECTOR. MM-HMM . YOU KNOW, VECTOR CONTROL. UM, IT'S DIFFICULT TO PROVE MM-HMM . RIGHT? EVEN, EVEN WITH THAT, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO PROVE, TO PROVE WHAT CONSISTS OF A ROAD IN HARBOR BRIDGE MM-HMM . RIGHT? SO, SO YES, IT DOES PRO, UM, PROVIDE SOME CHALLENGES FOR US FOR SURE. OKAY. UM, I MEAN, I I HOPE THAT YOU CAN KEEP THAT IN THERE IN SOME FORM OR FASHION JUST BECAUSE I KNOW I'VE HAD COMPLAINTS FROM NEIGHBORS WHO LIKE LIVE NEXT DOOR TO A VACANT HOME AND, YOU KNOW, GRASS HAS GOTTEN HIGH AND THERE'S STUFF IN THE BACKYARD AND THEN THEY SEE RATS EVERYWHERE. SO, UM, REALLY, MY, MY AIM IS TO GIVE YOU AS MANY TOOLS AS POSSIBLE TO EFFECTIVELY, YOU KNOW, DO WHAT YOU DO . THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND YES, OUR, OUR INTENT WOULD NOT BE TO REMOVE ANYTHING, UM, TO TAKE OUT ANY OF THAT DEFINITION BECAUSE IT COULD ALL UM, IT COULD ALL PLAY A ROLE. IT COULD ALL HELP US IN SOME, IN SOME WAY. SO NOT TO REMOVE ANY DEFINITIONS OR ANY ENFORCEMENT TEETH THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. OKAY. UM, AND ON THAT PICTURE, THAT WAS JUST ON THE SCREEN, UM, I MEAN, I, I LOOK AT THAT AND SEE A BILLION CODE VIOLATIONS, , BUT, UM, ESPECIALLY BEHIND THE FENCE WHERE THERE ARE MATERIALS LEANING UP AGAINST THE HOUSE AND, UH, PLANT MATTER HAS GROWN THROUGH THOSE PLANKS, THOSE HAVE OBVIOUSLY BEEN THERE FOR QUITE SOME TIME. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN USE THAT AS EVIDENCE OF PREEXISTING STORAGE, BUT THAT MAY BE SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. UM, IF YOU HAVE A VINE GROWING THROUGH THERE, I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR MM-HMM . AT LEAST SIX MONTHS. ABSOLUTELY. SO, UM, SO I I, I WOULD AT LEAST CONSIDER USING THAT AS KIND OF A PREEXISTING [00:25:01] CONDITION TYPE THING SO THAT IT MAKES ENFORCEMENT EASIER ON YOUR OFFICERS. ABSOLUTELY. AND, AND I'LL SAY THAT THAT'S WHEN THIS WAS, THIS PARTICULAR ONE WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION, UM, AS PART OF THIS IS A TRAINING, INTERNAL TRAINING ISSUE AS WELL MM-HMM . RIGHT. AS FAR AS HOW WE'VE ENFORCED, HOW WE'VE INTERPRETED THE ORDINANCE IN SOME CASES, UM, A LITTLE MORE TO THE BENEFIT OF THE VIOLATOR THAN TO THE, THE SPIRIT OF THE ORDINANCE THAT GIVES US MORE ENFORCEMENT. AND SO MY TENDENCY IS TO ENFORCE IT WITH THAT ANGLE, WITH THAT LENS OF HOW CAN WE ISSUE A, A VIOLATION IF IT'S THERE? WE CAN'T MAKE ONE APPEAR THAT DOESN'T EXIST. RIGHT. BUT IF THERE'S ONE THERE, LET'S FIND EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ENFORCE WITH EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE. RIGHT. AND NOR DO YOU WANT TO, I MEAN, IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THERE THAT ISN'T A CODE VIOLATION AND SOMEONE'S JUST, YOU KNOW, KIND OF BEING NITPICKY ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THOSE, THOSE AREN'T THE PROBLEMS THAT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR. WE'RE LOOKING FOR BLIGHT. CORRECT. AND THIS IS BLIGHT. YES, ABSOLUTELY. UM, THE SIX INCHES ABOVE THE GROUND PART OF THAT ORDINANCE, YOU'RE STRIKING, UM, THAT WASN'T, THAT'S NOT PART OF OUR REQUIRE, OUR REQUEST, UM, WE'RE OPEN TO ANY SUGGESTIONS, BUT WE WEREN'T, UM, OUR PROPOSAL WASN'T TO STRIKE ANY OF THE LANGUAGE IN THE DEFINITION MM-HMM . ONLY TO ADD A SPECIFIC CODE THAT WOULD GIVE US MORE ENFORCEMENT. BUT OF COURSE, WE'RE OPEN FOR ANY, ANY FEEDBACK AND SUGGESTIONS BECAUSE, UM, IF YOU TOOK OFF THE TOP PORTION OF THAT STACK RIGHT THERE AND ALL OF THE, YOU KNOW, LOOSE BOARDS, AND THEN YOU JUST HAVE THE FENCE PANELS, THEN THAT IS A, A, A PROPERLY STORED STACK OF WOOD. AND THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS, IS THAT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THE NEIGHBORS WANNA LOOK AT WHEN THEY CAN SEE IT. RIGHT. UM, BUT TWO, JUST BECAUSE IT'S SIX INCHES OFF OF THE GROUND DOESN'T MEAN THAT THERE AREN'T ALL KINDS OF THINGS HIDING BETWEEN THOSE PLANKS. THEY'VE OBVIOUSLY BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME AS WELL. SO, UM, JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING IS STORED SIX INCHES ABOVE THE GROUND DOES NOT MEAN THAT IT'S PROPERLY STORED IN MY OPINION, BECAUSE I'VE HAD, I'VE HAD COMPLAINTS FROM RESIDENTS WHERE SOMEONE IS STACKING STUFF AND, AND CODE CAN'T DO ANYTHING BECAUSE IT'S SIX INCHES ABOVE THE GROUND. SO, UM, I, I DON'T LIKE THAT PORTION OF THE, UH, ORDINANCE. UM, I WOULD STRONGLY SUGGEST GETTING RID OF THAT. COULD I OFFER SURE. A SUGGESTION ON THAT? SO I AGREE RIGHT, THAT THE SIX INCHES BY ITSELF SHOULD NOT, UH, PRECLUDE US FROM ENFORCEMENT MM-HMM . UM, SO I THINK WITH WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING WITH THE SCREENING FROM PUBLIC VIEW MM-HMM . THAT THAT WOULD TAKE CARE OF THAT ISSUE. OKAY. BECAUSE IF THIS WAS STORED IN THE BACKYARD OUT OF VIEW AND IT WAS SIX INCHES FROM THE GROUND, BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF THE VECTOR CONTROL MM-HMM . SO WE DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO TAKE THAT AWAY FROM US. IF WE DO HAPPEN TO, IF IT'S STORED ON THE GROUND, IT COULD CAUSE OTHER, OTHER ISSUES. SO WE LIKE TO SUGGEST KEEPING SOME, UH, FORM OF THAT. OKAY. UH, BUT STILL, UM, THE, THE MAJOR ISSUE WE WANT TO WANT TO ADDRESS IS IT NOT BEING VISIBLE. AND SO THIS UNDER OUR, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS, THIS PILE, NO MATTER HOW THEY HAVE IT STORED, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE AWAY FROM OUR VIEW, THE NEIGHBORS COULD NOT SEE IT AND PASS BY AS WELL AS OUR INSPECTORS WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO SEE THIS PROPERTY IF IT WAS PROPERLY STORED. OKAY. I, YOU KNOW, WE, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM, BUSINESSES IN NEIGHBORHOODS AT OUR COUNCIL MEETING LAST NIGHT, AND, AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE EXAMPLES OF SOMEONE OPERATING A FENCE BU A FENCE BUSINESS AND STORING THEIR MATERIALS AT THEIR HOME INSTEAD OF IN A BRICK AND MORTAR COMMERCIAL AREA LIKE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO. UM, SO JUST AS LONG AS YOU HAVE WHAT YOU NEED TO ENFORCE THIS, UM, I'M OKAY WITH THAT. UM, I ALSO DO NOT WANT TO SEE, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS PART OF YOUR INTENTION, BUT TO SEE MATERIALS ABOVE THE FENCE LINE. SO I'M, I'M ASSUMING THAT THAT IS INCLUDED IN THE SCREENING STANDARDS, BUT IN COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES THAT IS, IT IS CLEARLY LISTED, IT CAN'T BE ABOVE THE FENCE, SO ABSOLUTELY. SO IT, IT WILL MIRROR WHAT THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS ALSO HAVE IS THAT SCREENING WOULD ALSO MEAN THAT YOU JUST, YOU CANNOT, UM, YOU CANNOT VIEW IT, IT CANNOT GO ABOVE THAT FENCE LINE. AND THEN IF THEY DO DO DISCOVER SOME IMPROPER STORAGE WITH BUILDING MATERIALS AND THEY'RE LIKE, WELL, WE'RE WORKING ON A PROJECT, AND THEN YOU FIND OUT THAT THEY DON'T HAVE A PERMIT [00:30:01] FOR THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT FOR WHICH THEY NEED A PERMIT, UM, THEN THAT GOES TO BUILDING INSPECTIONS. AND YES, WE WOULD, WE WOULD COLLABORATE ENFORCEMENT ON THAT. WE WOULD ISSUE A NOTICE OR WE WOULD ASK OUR, OUR ASSISTANT DEPARTMENT TO, UM, START WITH ENFORCEMENT. OKAY. GREAT. UM, I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAD. MAD CHAIRMAN THEN. YES, PLEASE. SO, UM, SIX INCHES OFF THE GROUND, I'M, I'M CURIOUS AS TO WHERE THAT NUMBER EVEN CAME FROM. I'M A LOT OF STUFF YOU'LL, YOU'LL SEE A STORE ON A PALLET, TYPICAL PALLETS ARE FOUR INCHES TALL. AND SO IS THAT WHY WE WENT TO SIX INCHES? JUST TO KIND OF STOP PALLETS OF STRAIGHT PALLETS OF MATERIAL, THEY GOTTA STACK TWO PALLETS TO MEET THE STANDARD OR HOW DID WE GET THERE? CAN YOU KNOW? HELP ME WITH THE HISTORY . GREAT QUESTION. COUNCILMAN THOMAS. I, I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW. UH, I'VE, I'VE HEARD IT WAS PERHAPS BORROWED FROM THE HEALTH CODE, UM, FROM SOMEWHERE FROM THE HEALTH CODE. THEY TOOK THAT SIX INCH RULE, UM, AND, AND BROUGHT THAT OVER TO THIS ORDINANCE. BUT HONESTLY, I DO NOT KNOW WHERE IT, UH, WHERE IT ORIGINATED. OKAY. BECAUSE YOU, YOU SEE BUILDING MATERIALS DELIVERED ON PALLETS, RIGHT? ALL THE TIME. FOUR INCHES, CORRECT. YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, THAT'S INDUSTRY STANDARD. IT'S FOUR INCHES. AND SO, I MEAN, I HAD SOME DELIVERED TO A RENTAL PROPERTY THIS MORNING. I WAS ON A FOUR INCH PALLET AND I'VE GOTTA GO STUFF OFF OF THAT PALLET TOMORROW BEFORE THE HOA COMES AND GETS ME. SO THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA COME AND GET ME BEFORE CODE WILL. SO, UH, OKAY. WELL I JUST, THAT WAS JUST A TOTAL ASIDE, NOT SOMETHING I'M SUGGESTING YOU CHANGE THE STANDARD FOR. JUST CURIOUS AS TO KIND OF WHERE THAT CAME FROM. BUT YEAH, IF YOU STUMBLE ACROSS THAT TIDBIT, I'D, I'LL DO SOME RESEARCH ON THAT. I'M, I'M CURIOUS MYSELF, DON'T DO TOO MUCH RESEARCH IF YOU STUMBLE ACROSS, BUT THAT'S ENOUGH. I, I DO LIKE THE DISCRETION THAT YOU'RE GIVING TO OFFICERS TO, UM, SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, I, I REALIZE YOU'RE WORKING ON A PROJECT, IT'S BEEN RAINING. THAT'S FINE. UM, A LOT OF OUR WEEKEND WARRIORS, UM, SAY THIS WAS SOMEONE THAT WAS ACTUALLY PUTTING THIS, THESE FENCE PLANKS UP. THEY HAVE A CHAIN LINK FENCE THAT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT HAPPENING IN THIS CASE, BUT IF THEY WERE REPLACING THEIR FENCE, UM, SEEING THAT PILE KIND OF DWINDLE A LITTLE BIT EVERY WEEK WOULD, WOULD GIVE THEM MORE TIME. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY, GOOD. YEAH, WE WE'RE GONNA USE SOME, SOME GOOD OLD FASHIONED COMMON SENSE. AND WE KNOW WHEN WE'RE TALKING TO SOMEONE THAT'S A WEEKEND WARRIOR AND THEY'RE JUST, HEY, WHEN THEY GET OFF WORK MM-HMM . THEY'RE DOING A PANEL AT A TIME. RIGHT. WE GET THAT. OKAY. AND WE'RE, AND WE'RE SEEING THAT SO WE CAN, WE CAN ABSOLUTELY SHOW SOME PATIENCE AND, AND WORK WITH THEM. BUT, BUT, AND YOUR INSPECTORS ARE IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT, AH, THAT'S THE PILE. I'VE SEEN THAT ONE. YES. THAT PILE'S GETTING LOWER OR NO, IT'S NOT, I, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY JUST DO MENTAL NOTES FOR THAT KIND OF STUFF BECAUSE ABSOLUTELY. WHEN, WHEN YOU KNOW YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU, YOU KNOW WHO'S WHO AND YOU KNOW THE PROBLEM PROPERTIES, YOU KNOW, THE RENTAL PROPERTIES AND, YOU KNOW, UM, WHEN SOMEONE IS JUST HONESTLY TRYING TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE VERSUS WEEKEND WARRIOR WHO'S JUST TRYING TO GET AS PROJECT DONE AS QUICK AS HE CAN. AND MADAM CHAIR. YES SIR. QUESTION. SO I'M A VISUAL ED PERSON. UH, I LIKE SEE PICTURES . SURE. DO YOU HAVE A LIST OF PICTURES THAT IS VIOLATIONS, BUT WE STILL GRAY AREA THAT WE DON'T HAVE SPELLED OUT OUR CODE. UH, CLEARLY THOSE, DO YOU HAVE THAT LIST OF INVENTORY OF THOSE VIOLATIONS? PICTURES, INVENTORY OF, OF GAPS IN OUR GAPS IN OUR ORDINANCE WHERE RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. THOSE ARE PICTURES THAT WE, THE, THE TEAM GO OUT THERE AND, AND, AND DO A CODE ENFORCEMENT. RIGHT. AND THEN THEY SEE SOME IPRO IN PROPER STORAGE. STORAGE AND IT'S JUST OUT ON AND IT'S NOT CLEAR. AND YOU HAVE THOSE PICTURES. WELL, THAT, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. I THINK WE ARE, FROM MY ESTIMATION THERE, THERE'S ALWAYS SOME GAP HERE OR THERE. RIGHT. WE'RE ALWAYS GONNA, IF WE COME ACROSS AN ISSUE THAT WE HAVEN'T SEEN AND, AND THAT HAPPENS OCCASIONALLY, UH, BUT WE FEEL ALL IN ALL THAT, THAT OUR MAJOR ISSUES ARE COVERED IN OUR ORDINANCE. UH, THIS IS JUST ONE AREA WHERE WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, HAVE IDENTIFIED A POTENTIAL, PRETTY, PRETTY SIGNIFICANT GAP. BUT FOR THE MOST PART, UH, WE HAVEN'T COME ACROSS MANY WHERE, WHERE WE JUST SAY WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO ENFORCE. UM, BUT WE'LL, WE WE'RE ALWAYS ON THE LOOKOUT FOR ANY, ANY GAPS THAT WE MAY HAVE. I JUST SAY IN THE FUTURE, MY REQUEST WILL BE, IF YOU SEE THOSE TECHNICAL PICTURES, , SAVE IT . SURE. SO IT'S GOOD. LATER IN THE FUTURE WHEN WE HAVE THE CHANGE IN ORDINANCE, WE SAY, HEY, THIS IS EXACTLY, SO THE RESIDENT KNOW. OKAY. THAT'S THE MORE VISUAL AS LOOK. [00:35:01] OKAY. THAT'S CLEARLY, THAT'S WHY THEY NOT TRY TO VIOLATE IT. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR US? UH, I DON'T THINK SO. UM, IS, I GUESS JUST AS FAR AS DIRECTION FROM HERE, UM, DO YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE TAKING, UM, THE NEW LANGUAGE TO DIRECTLY TO COUNCIL? SURE. OKAY. SO DEVISING THE LANGUAGE. MM-HMM . UM, DO WE COME BACK TO COMMITTEE OR DO WE GO TO, UM, THAT'S, DO YOU, THAT'S UP TO YOU. DO YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE GOING STRAIGHT TO COUNSEL OR DO YOU WANT US TO REVIEW IT UH, AT A FUTURE MEETING? I, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT, UH, THAT CODE WORK WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO DRAFT A PROPER ORDINANCE. BRING IT BACK HERE. OKAY. JUST SO, UH, IT'LL BE MORE TIME EFFECTIVE IF WE CAN HEAR IN A SMALLER GROUP TO FIGURE OUT THE LANGUAGE, GET IT RIGHT, AND THEN TAKE IT TO COUNCIL. MY RECOMMENDATION. SOUNDS GOOD. WE'LL SEE IT THE NEXT ONE. ALRIGHT. SOUNDS GREAT. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU ALL. THANKS FOR HAVING, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOOD, THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, WE ARE ON ITEM FOUR, WHICH IS ADJOURN. IT IS 5:11 PM THANK YOU EVERYONE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.