* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] GOOD EVENING. WELCOME TO THE SEPTEMBER 28TH MEETING OF THE GARLAND PLAN COMMISSION. THIS IS OUR CUSTOM, WE COMMISSIONER, START OUR MEETING WITH A PRAYER AND A PLEDGE. YOU'RE INVITED TO JOIN US, WHETHER YOU DO OR NOT, NO WAY EFFECTS THE DECISIONS OF THIS COMMISSION OR YOUR RIGHTS IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION. TONIGHT'S PRAYER AND PLEDGE WILL BE LED BY COMMISSIONER LUCITA. YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. LORD, WE COME BEFORE YOU TONIGHT WITH GRATEFUL HEARTS. SHE HAS HER HEAD BOWED. OH IN THE FRONT. WELCOME DOWN HERE. LORD. WE COME BEFORE YOU TONIGHT WITH GRATEFUL HEARTS, THANKFUL FOR THE BLESSING OF CALLING GARLAND HOME AND FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE THIS COMMUNITY. WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR A CITY THAT IS TRULY ON THE RISE, STRENGTHENED BY ITS PEOPLE. ITS DIVERSITY, HISTORY, AND ITS PROMISE FOR THE FUTURE. WE GIVE THANKS FOR THE PASSIONATE LEADERS WHO DEDICATE THEMSELVES TO MOVING GARLAND FORWARD FOR OUR BRAVER FIRST RESPONDERS WHO PROTECT AND SERVE US EVERY DAY. AND FOR THE CITIZENS WHO CARE DEEPLY ABOUT THIS COMMUNITY AND DEMONSTRATE THEIR LOVE FOR GARLAND, THROUGH THEIR INVOLVEMENT, THEIR, AND IDEAS, AND THEIR SERVICE, WE ARE ESPECIALLY GRATEFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY AND RESPONSIBILITY ENTRUSTED TO EACH OF US WHO SERVES THE CITY. AS WE CONTINUE, UH, CONSIDER THE MATTERS BEFORE US, GRANT US SOUND JUDGMENT AND THE WISDOM TO LOOK BEYOND THE IMMEDIATE DECISION TO ITS LASTING IMPACT. GIVE US EMPATHY TO LISTEN OPENLY UNDERSTANDING TO CONSIDER PERSPECTIVES DIFFERENT FROM OUR OWN. ENCOURAGE TO MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON WHAT WILL SERVE BEST SERVE GARLAND'S FUTURE. MAY WE ALWAYS SERVE WITH HUMILITY, INTEGRITY, WISDOM, AND GRATITUDE. AMEN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED TO THE REPUBLIC FOR ONE NATION, NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, LIBERTY AND JUSTICE TEXT PLAN COMMISSION. SEPTEMBER 28TH, 2026. THE GROUP SITS DOWN AT DAY AND REVIEWS THEIR DOCUMENTS AND MONITORS WELL, GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO OUR MEETING. IT'S, UH, GOOD TO SEE YOU FOLKS OUT HERE 'CAUSE Y'ALL ARE MAKE WHAT, MAKE THE PROCESS WORK. ALRIGHT. SOME OF YOU HAVE FOUND OUR LITTLE YELLOW SPEAKER CARDS. IF YOU CARE TO SPEAK ON A CASE TONIGHT, PLEASE FILL ONE OF THESE OUT AND HAND IT TO THE PLAN COMMISSION SECRETARY. THAT WAY WE CAN CALL YOU UP. AND WHEN YOU GET TO THE MICROPHONE, IF YOU'LL PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE MICROPHONE. WE'LL, UH, WE NEED THAT FOR THE OFFICIAL RECORDS. TEXT SCOTT ROBERTS. CHAIRMAN. HE LOOKS DOWN AT HIS PAPERS. YEAH. IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT A CASE, FILL OUT A CARD AND COME UP AND SPEAK WHEN, UH, WE GET TO THAT CASE. YES. HE LEANS BACK. GLANCING OFF CAMERA. ALRIGHT. APPLICANTS WILL HAVE 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE. OTHER SPEAKERS WILL, UH, HAVE THREE MINUTES. IF YOU'RE SPEAKING FOR A GROUP SUCH AS A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, WE DO ALLOW MORE TIME. AFTER WE'VE HEARD THE TESTIMONY, WE'LL ASK THE APPLICANT BACK UP TO ADDRESS ANY ISSUES. AND AGAIN, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE MICROPHONE. ALRIGHT. UH, FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA. ITEM ONE, A CONSIDERATION OF THE SEPTEMBER 14TH, 2026 PLAN COMMISSION MINUTES. CHAIRMAN ROBERTS TURNS HIS HEAD. IS THERE ANY QUESTION ON THE MINUTES OR A MOTION? UH, MOTION BY COMMISSIONER ABEL AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DUCKWORTH. HE SHIFTS IN HIS SEAT TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED. ALL RIGHTY. ANY DISCUSSION? SEE NONE. GO AHEAD AND VOTE. THIS IS TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. THE TABLE DISPLAYS THE VOTING RESULTS FOR THE MOTION BY PATRICK AB. BE SECONDED BY BOB DUCKWORTH. IT INDICATES SIX VOTES IN FAVOR, ZERO AGAINST, AND THREE ABSTENTIONS. AND THAT PASSES. UH, 1, 2, 3, 4. I'VE GOT ABSTENTIONS. OKAY. YEAH. UH, THAT, THAT PASSES. WE'VE GOT, UH, SIX AFFIRMATIVE VOTES. OKAY, GREAT. NEXT FIRST PUBLIC HEARING CASE. HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER THE APPLICATION OF JENNIFER ROSE REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A VARIANCE TO SECTION SEVEN. UH, FOUR POINT CHAIRMAN ROBERT SITS AT THE BASE AND 4.78 E TWO OF THE ISLAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REGARDING THE MAXIMUM PERMITTED SIGN AREA FOR ATTACHED WALL SIGNS AND CANOPY SIGNS. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU CHAIRMAN. THE MAN STANDS AT A PODIUM LOOKING AT A LAPTOP BEHIND HIM. AUDIENCE MEMBERS SIT IN CHAIRS. STUART STARRY PLANNING FOR THE CITY OF GARLAND. THE WOMAN WEARING A HAT SITS TO THE LEFT OF THE PODIUM. THE APPLICANT REQUESTS A SIGN VARIANCE TO MAN OF THE PODIUM WITH A LAPTOP TO ALLOW ATTACHED WALL SIGNAGE AND CANOPY SIGNAGE EXCEEDING THE MAXIMUM SIGN AREA PERMITTED BY THE GDC. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 51 30 51 50. NORTH GARLAND AVENUE IS APPROXIMATELY [00:05:01] 14.6 ACRES IN HIS ZONED PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT OH ONE DASH 16 FOR COMMUNITY RETAIL USES AND IS LOCATED WITHIN DISTRICT ONE. THE PROPERTY IS DEVELOPED WITH AN EXISTING SAM'S CLUB AND ASSOCIATED FUEL STATION. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING EXTERIOR RENOVATIONS CONSISTING PRIMARILY OF A NEW PAINT SCHEME AND REPLACEMENT OF EXISTING SIGNAGE AS PART OF A CORPORATE REBRANDING. NO CHANGE IN LAND USE IS PROPOSED. TEXT LOCATION MAP. HERE IS OUR ZONING MAP SHOWING THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND THE SURROUNDING ZONING DISTRICTS. THE SURROUNDING AREA CONSISTS PREDOMINANTLY OF COMMERCIAL AND PLAN DEVELOPMENT ZONING ALONG NORTH GARLAND AVENUE AND THE GEORGE BUSH TURNPIKE CORRIDOR WITH AGRICULTURAL AND MULTIFAMILY ZONINGS LOCATED NEARBY. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY HAS FRONTAGE ALONG BOTH NORTH GARLAND AVENUE AND NAIMAN FOREST BOULEVARD. HERE'S SOME PICTURES OF THE EXISTING SAMS CLUB AND FUEL STATION. WE CAN SEE THE EXISTING PRIMARY AND SECONDARY SAMS CLUB SIGNAGE, THE EYE EXAM SIGN, THE TIRE INSTALLATION SIGNAGE, AND THE EXISTING SIGNAGE ON THE FUEL STATION CANOPY. THE BOTTOM PICTURES ALSO SHOW THE SITE AS VIEWED FROM NORTH GARLAND AVENUE AND NAIMAN FOREST BOULEVARD. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE MAIN BUILDING IS LOCATED AT A SIGNIFICANT DISTANCE FROM THE ADJACENT ROADWAYS WITH A LARGE SURFACE PARKING AREA AND EXISTING TREES BETWEEN THE BUILDING AND NORTH GARLAND AVENUE AND A DETENTION AREA AND EXISTING TREES, AS WELL AS SEPARATING THE SITE ELEVATIONS FROM UH, NAMAN FOREST BOULEVARD. TEXT SV REQUEST REQUEST TO SIGN VARIANCE SECTION FOUR POINT 81 OF THE GDC GRANTS. THE PLAN COMMISSION THE AUTHORITY TO APPROVE SIGN VARIANCES WHEN THE EVIDENCE DEMONSTRATES THAT STRICT COMPLIANCE WITH THE REQUIREMENT WOULD RESULT IN A HARDSHIP OR INEQUITY TO THE APPLICANT. ECONOMIC OR SELF-CREATED HARDSHIPS ALONE ARE NOT SUFFICIENT. APPROVE APPROVAL OF ASSIGNED VARIANCE REQUIRES A THREE QUARTERS VOTE OF THE PLAN COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT. TEXT EXHIBITS A TABLE COMPARES GARLAND DEVELOPMENT CODE MAXIMUMS. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING VARIANCES FOR THREE PORTIONS OF THE PROPOSED SIGNED PACKAGE. THE FRONT BUILDING FACADE, THE SITE FACADE AND THE FUEL STATION CANOPY. TWO EXISTING FREESTANDING SIGNS WILL REMAIN WITH ONLY SIGN PHASE CHANGES PROPOSED AND ARE NOT PART OF THE VARIANCE REQUEST. HERE WE HAVE THE PROPOSED SIGNAGE ALONG THE FRONT ELEVATION. THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TWO SENSE CLUB IDENTIFICATION SIGNS AS WELL AS WELCOME EYE EYE EXAMS AND CURBSIDE PICKUP SIGNAGE. THE GDC ALLOWS A MAXIMUM AGGREGATE ATTACHED SIGN AREA OF 200 SQUARE FEET ALONG THE FRONT FACADE OF A SINGLE TENANT BUILDING. THE PROPOSED SIGNS HAVE A COMBINED AREA OF APPROXIMATELY 240.57 FACADE DRAWINGS ON THE LEFT AND IS APPROXIMATELY UH, UH, WHICH EXCEEDS THE MAXIMUM BY APPROXIMATELY 20.3%. TEXT CURBSIDE PICKUP, THE FRONT FACADE IS APPROXIMATELY 550 FEET FROM NORTH GARLAND AVENUE AND IS SEPARATED FROM THE ROADWAY BY THE LARGE SURFACE PARKING AREA, THE FUEL STATION CANOPY, AND THE EXISTING TREES, WHICH REDUCE THE VISIBILITY OF THE BUILDING SIGNAGE FROM THE STREET. HERE WE CAN SEE THE PROPOSED SIGNAGE ALONG THE TIRE INSTALLATION SITE ELEVATION. THIS INCLUDES THE TIRE INSTALLATION SIGN AT TIRE GRAPHIC AND FOUR BAY NUMBER SIGNS. THE GDC ALLOWS A MAXIMUM AGGREGATE ATTACHED SIGN AREA OF A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET ALONG A SITE FACADE. THE PROPOSED SIGNAGE TOTALS APPROXIMATELY 107.99 SQUARE FEET, EXCEEDING THE MAXIMUM BY APPROXIMATELY 8%. THIS FACADE IS APPROXIMATELY 200 FEET FROM NAMAN FOREST BOULEVARD AND IS SEPARATED FROM THE ROADWAY BY AN EXISTING DETENTION POND AND CANOPY TREES, WHICH AGAIN LIMIT THE VISIBILITY FROM THE STREET ELEVATION, TIRE BAY AND FUEL CANOPY. THE APPLICANT ALSO PROPO PROPOSES FOUR SIMS, UH, FUEL SIGNS, ONE ON EACH PHASE OF THE FUEL STATION CANOPY. EACH SIGN CONTAINS APPROXIMATELY 28 SQUARE FEET. THE GDC LIMITS AN INDIVIDUAL CANOPY SIGN TO 25 SQUARE FEET. EACH PROPOSED CANOPY SIGN THEREFORE EXCEEDS THE MAXIMUM PERMITTED AREA BY 12.1%. THE FUEL [00:10:01] CANOPY SIGNAGE IS ALSO PARTIALLY OBSCURED FROM THE NORTH GARLAND AVENUE BY THE EXISTING CANOPY TREES. TEXT AREA PLAN, A COLOR CODED MAP SHOWS LAND USE. UH, PROPERTY IS ALSO LOCATED WITHIN THE STATE HIGHWAY ONE 90 CATALYST AREA. THE CATALYST AREA IDENTIFIES REGIONAL AXIS AND VISIBILITY AS KEY ASSETS AND EMPHASIZES HIGH QUALITY DEVELOPMENT, CONTINUED INVESTMENT AND APPROPRIATE AGRICULTURAL AND DESIGN STANDARDS. WHILE THE PROPOSED REQUEST DOES NOT CHANGE THE EXISTING LAND USE. THE EXTERIOR REBRANDING AND COORDINATION SIGN PACKAGE REPRESENTS REINVESTING REINVESTMENT IN AN EXISTING REGIONAL RETAIL DEVELOPMENT AND ARE GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH THE CATALYST AREA'S EMPHASIS ON MAINTAINING A HIGH QUALITY DEVELOPMENT CHARACTER. TEXT STAFF FINDINGS STAFF FINDS THAT THERE MAY BE A HARDSHIP CONCERNING THE MAXIMUM PERMIT SIGN AREA DUE TO THE SUBSTANTIAL SETBACK OF THE BUILDING FACADES FROM THE ADJACENT ROADWAYS AND THE LIMITED VISIBILITY CREATED BY EXISTING CANOPY TREES. OVERALL, THE PROPOSED SIGNAGE REMAINS PROPORTIONATE TO THE SCALE OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND SUPPORTS CONTINUED REINVESTMENT WITHIN THE STATE HIGHWAY ONE 90 CATALYST AREA TEXT RESPONSE LETTERS. WE SENT OUT A TOTAL OF 86 UH, NOTIFICATION LETTERS AND WE RECEIVED ONLY ONE RESPONSE WITHIN THE NOTIFICATION AREA IN FAVOR OF THE REQUEST. I'LL STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THE MAN AT THE PODIUM LOOKS UP FROM HIS LAPTOP. ANY QUESTIONS? THE MAN AT THE PODIUM IS SPEAKING. GUESS NOT. THE COMMISSION MEMBERS ARE SEATED AT THE BASE. ALRIGHTYY ONLY HAVE ONE SPEAKER CARD IN THIS, UH, CASE. UH, AND I'M A MASTER OF MISREADING, HANDWRITING AND MISPRONOUNCING. BUT I THINK, UH, JEFFREY DAVIS, COME ON DOWN. CHAIRMAN ROBERTS LOOKS TOWARD THE SPEAKER. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. UH, MY NAME IS JEFFREY DAVIS. UH, MY ADDRESS IS, UM, 4 8 8 6, UH, WEST PAULINE WHITAKER BOULEVARD. UH, ROGERS, ARKANSAS, 7 2 7 5 8. UM, I'M WITH PB TWO ARCHITECTURE AND ENGINEERING. WE'RE THE, UH, ARCHITECT OF RECORD. UM, I'M HERE FOR JEN, UM, WHO HAS LITTLE KIDS AND CAN'T TRAVEL AS MUCH AS I DO. SO, UM, I REALLY DON'T HAVE A LOT TO ADD. HE SMOOTHS OUT A DOCUMENT ON THE PODIUM, UH, FROM THE, UH, PRESENTATION. HE RAISED HIS HANDS ON THE PODIUM. UH, BASICALLY I'M BASICALLY HERE TO, UH, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE SCIENCE ITSELF. UM, WALMART AND SAM'S CLUB PERIODICALLY GO THROUGH REBRANDS AND, UH, ACTUALLY THIS ONE JUST HAD REBRAND A COUPLE YEARS AGO. SO, UH, SAM'S CLUB APPARENTLY CHANGED ITS MIND AND WANTS DIFFERENT SIGNS, UM, WHICH AS, AS THEY WANT TO DO. SO. UM, WE DID HAVE SOME MORE SIGNS, UH, PROPOSED FOR THIS SITE. UH, WE HAD A, UH, ALONG THE SIDE ELEVATION WHERE THE TIRE INSTALLATION IS AT. UH, THERE WAS GOING TO BE A LIGHTED, UH, SAM'S GARAGE SIGN, UM, THAT HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM THE PLANT. HE LOOKS AT DOCUMENTS ON THE PODIUM. UM, AND WE ALSO, UH, IN ORDER TO GET CLOSER TO THE, UH, ALLOWED, HE POINTS TO A DOCUMENT ON THE PODIUM, SIGN SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR THE FRONT ELEVATION. UH, WE DID DOWNSIZE THE, UH, THE SECONDARY SAM'S CLUB LOGO, WHICH IS THE ONE THAT'S ALL THE WAY OVER TO THE RIGHT HAND SIDE. AND IT'S BASICALLY EXTREMELY LIT, I BELIEVE. HAD SOME, UH, LIGHTS SHINING DOWN. SO HE ADJUSTS HIS GLASSES. UM, WE HOPED THAT HE, UH, HE LIFTS A FLYER TO DISPLAY IT TO THE AUDIENCE THE WAY THE, UH, CLUB LOOKS. AND, UM, WITH THE, UH, JUST THE AMOUNT OF SIGNS, MOSTLY THE SIGNS ARE GOING TO BE FOR THE SIDE ELEVATION. UM, THE FRONT ELEVATION IS PRETTY SPARSE. UM, THE SIDE ELEVATIONS ARE MORE, UM, I GUESS FOR THE, UH, NOT THE, UH, JEFFREY DAVIS POINTS TO THE PRINTED PLANS ON THE PODIUM EXCEPT FOR THE, UH, THE, THE GRAPHIC ITSELF. UM, THEY'RE MEANT TO MORE B DIRECTIONAL FOR CUSTOMERS WHO ARE COMING INTO THAT AREA. SO THEY GOT BAYS 1, 2, 3, AND FOUR. UM, WHICH IS, UH, SO THEY CAN GO INSIDE, PICK OUT THE TIRES. THEY TOLD, HEY, GO TO BAY NUMBER THREE. AND THEN OFF THEY GO. SO AUDIENCE MEMBERS SIT IN THE ROW BEHIND THE PODIUM BASICALLY. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD. PRESENTER LEANS OVER THE PODIUM. UM, I GUESS I'LL TURN MY REST OF MY TIME OVER [00:15:01] FOR QUESTIONS IF THERE ARE ANY, ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT. TEXT SCOTT ROBERTS. CHAIRMAN, I SEE NONE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING DOWN. THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN ROBERTS HOLDS UP A WHITE ENVELOPE. EXCUSE ME. THAT WAS THE ONLY SPEAKER CARD I HAD. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO ADDRESS THIS CASE? HE LOOKS DOWN AT THE TABLE. I SEE NONE. SO, COMMISSIONER'S, MOTION DISCUSSION. UH, COMMISSIONER DALTON, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE APPLICANT PER, PER THE APPROVE, PER THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST. CAN I GET YOU TO PRESS THE MOTION BUTTON? OH. UM, IT'S THE ONLY WAY IT REGISTERS FOR SECRETARY THERE. IT DIDN'T SHOW UP UNTIL AFTER I PRESS THE OTHER BUTTON. AH, OKAY. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DALTON, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? MOTION IS TO APPROVE. CLOSE A PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE. I'LL SECOND CHAIRMAN ROBERTS TURNS HIS HEAD TO THE LEFT. WELL, IT SAYS MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DUCKWORTH, BUT WE'LL CHANGE THAT TO COMMISSIONER DALTON. AND, UH, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER. ABLE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE APPLICATION. ANY DISCUSSION? SEE NONE, PLEASE VOTE. THE CIRCULAR LOGO WITH THE TEXT GARLAND APPEARS THE VOTING RESULTS SCREEN SHOWS THE MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY. AND THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. SEVEN ZERO. YES, SIR. I CAN'T SEE ANY CASE FILES. SCOTT ROBERTS LOOKS DOWN ON, ON ON THE TABLET. YEAH. TEXT MOTION BY PATRICK. A BE I'VE GOT 'EM ON MINE, BUT IT'S MY TABLET. . IT'S NOT THE CITY TABLET. COMMISSIONERS CHECK THEIR TABLETS. YEAH, YOU CAN SHARE ELECTRONICS. YOU GOTTA LOVE IT. SOMETIMES THE WOMAN WALKS TO THE SIDE. ALL RIGHTY. NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS ITEM TWO B. HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER THE APPLICATION OF KIMLEY HORNE REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT FOR PROPERTIES OF 7 2 1 AND 7 2 5. MARION AND PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 93 DASH EIGHT FOR THE PROPERTY AT 1 7 2 9 DAVIS BOULEVARD TO A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT WITH A BASE ZONING OF INDUSTRIAL TO ALLOW A DISTRIBUTION CENTER LARGE INDOORS ONLY USE AND PERMIT THE EXISTING RETAIL STORE USE BY WRIGHT AND TO A CONCEPT PLAN FOR THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT. GOOD EVENING. UH, CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS. UH, K PLANNER WITH THE CITY. CAN'T HEAR. YEAH. CAN'T HEAR. YEAH. PULL IT A LITTLE CLOSER. OKAY. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? MAN OF THE PODIUM. LOOKS AT HIS LAPTOP. DO YOUR BEST. . HELLO? YEAH, YOU'LL HAVE TO SPEAK RIGHT INTO THE MICROPHONE. OKAY. THE CITY PLANNER TYPES ON HIS LAPTOP, AS MENTIONED, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CHANGE IN ZONING TO A NEW PLAN DEVELOPMENT WITH THE BASE ZONING OF, UH, INDUSTRIAL ZONING, UH, TO ALLOW THE EXPANSION OF EXISTING FACILITY AS A DISTRIBUTION CENTER, LARGE SCALE, AND TO PERMIT EXISTING RETAIL STORE BY RIGHT. AND ALSO APPROVAL OF ASSOCIATED CONCEPT PLAN, TEXT CASE INFORMATION LOCATION, DAVIS BOULEVARD. THERE ARE THREE ADDRESSES. THE MAP SHOWS NUMBERED ZONING DISTRICTS, UH, UH, THAT'S GONNA BE PART OF THIS PD 7 21 AND 7 25 MARION DRIVE AND 1729 DAVIS BOULEVARD. THE TOTAL AREA OF THE PROPERTY IS 9.95 ACRES, APPROXIMATELY. CURRENTLY, THERE IS AN EXISTING 74,500 SQUARE FOOTAGE OF DISTRIBUTION CENTER BUILDING AND 10,625 RETAIL BUILDING, UH, SQUARE FOOTAGE OF RETAIL BUILDING WITH 47 PARKING SPACES AND THREE LOADING DOORS, UH, THE WESTERN LOT, UH, AT 1729. UH, THAT'S A LOT, WHICH IS UNDEVELOPED. UH, AS PER DCA. THE RETAIL STORE WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 79, UH, 1979 AND WAREHOUSE IN 90 TEXT INDUSTRIAL ZONING. UH, NOT SURE WHEN THE HATCO HAVE MOVED THERE, BUT ACCORDING TO THE APPLICANT, HATCO HAS BEEN OPERATED IN GARLAND SINCE 1938 AND SUPPORTS MORE THAN 400 JOBS. AND HERE IS THE SURROUNDING ZONING. UH, PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH AND WEST ARE PRIMARILY INDUSTRIAL AND ARE DEVELOPED WITH MANUFACTURING, WAREHOUSING, AND DISTRIBUTION USERS ACROSS THE MARION DRIVE TO THE EAST ARE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES ZONED SF SEVEN AND IMMEDIATELY TO THE SOUTH ARE UNDEVELOPED PROPERTIES, UNDEVELOPED PROPERTIES WITHIN PD 93 8, UH, INTENDED FOR INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT, UH, WITH SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, UH, RESIDENCES [00:20:01] LOCATED FOR THE SOUTH. THE FUTURE LAND USE, UH, DESIGNATION FOR THIS AREA IS BUSINESS CENTER, WHICH ARE INTENDED FOR CLUSTERS OF BUSINESSES, OFFICE BUSINESS OFFICES, AND LOW IMPACT INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT WHERE OPERATIONS GENERALLY OCCUR WITHIN THE BUILDING. UH, THE PROPOSED REQUEST EXPANSION, EXISTING INDOOR DISTRIBUTION OPERATION WITHIN ESTABLISHED INDUSTRIAL AREA. THE OPERATION WILL REMAIN INDOORS AND NO OUTDOOR STORAGE IS PROPOSED. UM, THE STAFF FINDS THE REQUEST CONSISTENT WITH THE BUSINESS CENTER DESIGNATION AND THE PROPERTY. IT IS ALSO NOT A, IT'S NOT A PART OF ANY OF THE ECONOMIC FOCUS AREAS. HOWEVER, THE, THE CITY'S ADOPTER A STRATEGIC PLAN CALLS FOR INCREASED ECONOMIC PRODUCTIVITY WITHIN THE CITY'S EXISTING GEOGRAPHY AND ENCOURAGING CONTINUED PRIVATE INVESTMENT TEXT, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BUSINESS CENTER. THESE ARE SOME SITE PHOTOS WHICH ARE, UH, CAPTURED ALONG, UH, TEXT SITE PHOTOS ALONG THE MARION DRIVE TEXT VIEWING SITE FROM EAST SIDE, THAT'S THE ON THE TOP. THAT'S THE EXISTING RETAIL STORE. AND IN THIS PICTURE YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING, UH, DISTRIBUTION CENTER, UH, SMALL SCALE ONE TEXT, PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, TEXT EXPANSION, PARKING. HERE IS THE O UH, OVERALL DEVELOPMENT SUMMARY. UH, AS A PART OF THIS PD TEXT RETAIL BUILDING, IT WOULD INCLUDE A NEW EXPANSION OF NEW ADDITION OF 91,260 SQUARE FOOTAGE OF BUILDING AREA, WHICH WOULD TOTALLY LEAD TO 176,380. TEXT SCREENING AND ACCESS INCLUDES NEW SIX FOOT FENCING, SQUARE FOOTAGE OF TOTAL BUILDING AREA IN INCLUDING THE EXISTING RETAIL STORE AND THE EXISTING, UH, DISTRIBUTION CENTER. THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT, UH, IS APPROXIMATELY 36.5 FEET. UH, A TOTAL OF, UH, 110 PARKING SPACES WOULD BE ACCOMMODATED, UH, AS A PART OF THIS, UH, PD 47 EXISTING AND 63 NEW AND THERE WOULD BE 10 NEW, UH, LOADING TEXT BUILDING DESIGN, UH, PROPOSED, UH, FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD LEAD TO TOTAL OF 13 LOADING DOCKS. TEXT SITE IMPROVEMENTS, UH, NEW EXPANSION, UH, BUILDING IN CORPORATE SIX ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS, BUT A DEVIATION FROM THE HORIZONTAL AND VERTICAL. A VERTICAL ARTICULATION REQUIREMENTS IS REQUESTED THROUGH PD. THE SLIDE LIST REQUIREMENTS AND IMPROVEMENT PLANS FOR THE SITE EXISTING RE FOR THE EXISTING RETAIL STORES. UH, RIGHT NOW YOU CAN SAY IT'S PRETTY, UH, IT DOES, UH, IT HAS LIKE A PLAIN FACADE. THE APPLICANT PROPOSED FRIEND FACADE IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH INCLUDES DISPLAY, WINDOWS, BENCHES, AND PLANTERS IN THE STOREFRONT. AND, UH, A DETENTION POND. AND ASSOCIATED LANDSCAPING, UM, ALONG THE DAVIS BOULEVARD AND ALSO ALONG MARION DRIVE IS PROPOSED. AND TEXT RETAIL BUILDING IMPROVEMENTS. UH, LANDSCAPING AND TREE PRESERVATION ARE SUBJECT TO THE APPLICABLE GDC REQUIREMENTS. THE PROPOSAL AT SIX FEET ROT, UH, IRON FENCING ALONG DAVIS BOULEVARD AND EXISTING SIX FEET GALVANIZED CHAIN LINK FENCING ALONG NORTH AND WEST IES OF LOTTO AND LOT SIX, A LOT TWO WOULD BE, UH, UH, WOULD REMAIN SAME WHILE THE DAVIES BOULEVARD REMAINS OPEN TO PUBLIC, UH, VEHICLE AND TRUCK PARKING WILL BE PERMITTED ALONG DAVIS BOULEVARD. SO HERE IS THE CONCEPT PLAN. THE SMALL BUILDING OVER HERE. IT'S A, THAT'S AN EXISTING RETAIL STORE ALONG MARION DRIVE. THIS IS THE EXISTING BUILDING, UM, DISTRIBUTION CENTER. AND THIS IS THE PROPOSED EXPANSION. AND THE 13 PROPOSED TO, UM, LOADING DOCKS WILL BE, UH, UH, HERE THE DIAGRAM SHOWS THE DISTRIBUTION CENTER AND LOADING DOCKS. HERE ARE THE ELEVATIONS FOR REFERENCE. UH, WHICH THIS, THIS IS THE AREA WHERE THE, UH, APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED ALL THE SIX, MOST OF THE SIX, UH, ARCHITECTURE ELEMENTS. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE RETAIL STORE OVER HERE AND DISPLAY WINDOWS ARE ADDED ALONG WITH THE PLANTERS AND, UH, BENCHES, UH, YOU CAN SEE THEM. AND THE FLOOR PLAN PROBABLY HERE IS MORE LIKE A CONCEPTUAL LANDSCAPE PLAN, UH, THAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED. UH, THIS WOULD BE REVIEWED, UH, IN DETAIL DURING THE SITE PLAN REVIEW PROCESS. SO, UH, THIS SHOWS THE RED CURSOR HIGHLIGHTS PARKING AND ROAD ON DAVIS BOULEVARD, UH, [00:25:01] LANDSCAPING ALONG DAVIES AND ALSO MARION. UH, AND ALSO ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE LOT, ALONG WITH THE POND. TEXT PLAN DEVELOPMENT TABLE COMPARES CURRENT AND PROPOSED REQUIREMENTS FOR THE FACILITY. THE PROPOSED PD ESTABLISHES DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR THE EXPANSION OF EXISTING DISTRIBUTION FACILITY. TEXT THE TABLE, LOUD LINES, LAND USE, WHICH, UH, WHICH INCLUDES INDUSTRIAL, UH, IN TERMS OF USERS, ALL THE INDUSTRIAL, UH, DISTRICT USERS TO BE PERMITTED ALONG WITH RETAIL STORE TO BE PERMITTED BY RIDE. AND, UH, THE PD ALSO INCLUDES THE DEVIATION FROM THE PARKING, UH, GD C'S PARKING REQUIREMENT FOR THE DISTRIBUTION, UH, USE, WHICH WOULD BE THE P UH, THE GDC STANDARD IS ONE PER 300 SQUARE FOOTAGE. ONE PARKING SPACE IS REQUIRED, REQUIRED PER 300 SQUARE FOOTAGE OF OFFICE SPACE AND ONE PER THOUSAND SQUARE FOOTAGE OF OUR DISTRIBUTION, UH, AREA, WHICH WOULD LEAD TO TOTAL A TOTAL OF 1 71 77 PARKING SPACES. THE APPLICANT REQUESTS TO BE, UH, OVERALL ONE PER 2000 SQUARE FOOTAGE, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE 83 SPACES ONLY. AND FOR THE RETAIL PARKING FOR THE RETAIL SIDE OF THE STORE, UH, THE GDC REQUIRES ONE PER 3 33 SQUARE FOOTAGE, WHICH WOULD, UH, REQUIRE 32 SPACES. AND THE APPLICANT REQUESTS ONE PER 400 SQUARE FOOTAGE, WHICH WOULD LEAD TO A TOTAL OF 27 PARKING SPACES. UM, AND, UM, THERE IS AN EXISTING SIX FOOT WROUGHT IRON FENCE ALONG MARION DRIVE, WHICH IS TO BE REMAIN ALONG WITH THE GALVANIZED IRON FENCE ON NORTH AND WEST SIDE. UH, BUT A SIX FOOT ROD IRON FENCE ALONG DAVIES WOULD BE TEXT DISTRIBUTION CENTER INSTALL AND NO BARBED WIRE FENCING, UH, ALONG ANY OF THE STREET. THE TABLE SHOWS DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. UM, PROPOSED EXPANSION, UH, IS EXEMPTED FROM SECTION 4.83 B, ARTICULATION OF BOTH HORIZONTAL AND VERTICAL ARTICULATION REQUIREMENTS AND TABLE LIST BUILDING REQUIREMENTS. UH, IN TERMS OF RETAIL, EXISTING RETAIL BUILDING, THE BUILDING SHOULD HAVE, UH, MINIMUM FOUR DISPLAY WINDOWS, TWO BENCHERS AND TWO PLANTERS ALONG MARION DRY TEXT STAFF. RECOMMENDATION STAFF RECOMMENDS, UH, APPROVAL OF THE REQUESTED PD AND IT'S ASSOCIATED CONCEPT PLAN SUBJECT TO THE PROPOSED PD CONDITIONS. UH, USES ALERT PER INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT WITH EXISTING RETAIL STORE PERMITTED BY RIDE EXISTING SIX FEET WR IRON FENCE ALONG MARION DRIVE TO REMAIN A MINIMUM SIX FEET WR IRON FENCE ALONG DAVIS BOULEVARD. TEXT RECOMMENDATIONS, MINIMUM RATIO OF ONE PARKING SPACE PER 2000 SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR THE DISTRIBUTION CENTER AND ONE SPACE PER 400 SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR RETAIL STORE. A PROPOSED EXPANSION TO BE EXEMPTED FROM HORIZONTAL AND VERTICAL FACADE ARTICULATION REQUIREMENTS. AND MARION DRIVE FAC UH, FACADE TO INCLUDE A FEATURE BAN. MINIMUM FOUR DISPLAY WINDOWS, TWO BENCHES AND TWO PLANTERS TEXT RESPONSE LETTERS. UH, TOTAL OF ONE 20 NOTICES HAS BEEN MAILED. UH, WE RECEIVED TWO, UH, AGAINST WITHIN, UH, THE NOTIFICATION AREA THING. UH, THE CONCERNS, PRIMARY CONCERNS WAS TRA WAS TRAFFIC NOISE, DEPRECIATION IN PROP PROPERTY VALUES, ET CETERA. UH, WITH THIS I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS TEXT SCOTT ROBERTS. ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? THE CHAIRMAN LOOKS TOWARD THE COMMISSIONERS. NOPE. I DON'T SEE ANY CHAIRMAN SMILES LOOKING AT DOCUMENTS. UH, WE'LL GET TO YOU. THANK YOU. I HAVE, UH, THREE SPEAKER CARDS, BUT I DON'T SEE WHICH ONE IS THE APPLICANT. IS THE APPLICANT HERE YOU WANT COME ON DOWN AND THE ADDRESS THAT ANYTHING THE CHAIRMAN SITS AT THE BASE. WE'LL, WE'LL CALL YOU IN A MINUTE. THE CHAIRMAN LEANS SLIGHTLY BACK IN HIS CHAIR. GOOD EVENING. HI, I'M MARTHA BRISCO. I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF KIMLEY HORN AND NEED YOUR ADDRESS TOO, PLEASE. OH, YES. 2,600 NORTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY, RICHARDSON, TEXAS 7 5 0 8 0. THANK YOU. YES, OF COURSE. ANY, ANYTHING IN PARTICULAR YOU WANTED TO PRESENT OR? NO, I THINK, I THINK THAT, UM, THAT WAS COVERED VERY WELL. I THINK THAT HATCO SEEMS LIKE A, A REALLY GOOD ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA AND, AND A REALLY GOOD ADDITION TO GARLAND. AND I THINK THE EXPANSION WILL [00:30:01] BE GOOD FOR JOBS AS WELL AS IT'S FARTHER INTO THE LAND THAT THEY OWN. SO I DON'T SEE ANY ISSUE, I GUESS, AS A CIVILIAN WITH ANY TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT ON THE FACADE OR ALONG THE ROAD YOU WOULD DRIVE ON. UM, SO OVERALL I SEE IT AS A REALLY A GOOD DEVELOPMENT. ALRIGHT. UH, COMMISSIONER MIRANDA, THERE YOU GO. TILL THIS TURNS ON. HELLO. HELLO. UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR JOINING US. SO I JUST HAD A QUESTION, GEN JUST KIND OF GENERALLY THE MAIN PURPOSE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, IT'S TO ESSENTIALLY COMBINE RIGHT TWO LAWS THAT ARE EXISTING. SO IS IT JUST TO EXPAND THE CURRENT BUSINESS? IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT, YES. SO THE RETAIL STORE WILL NOT GROW, IT'S JUST THEIR DISTRIBUTION CENTER. MM-HMM . THEY'RE JUST IN NEED OF MORE SPACE. OKAY. YES. THE WOMAN STANDS AT A PODIUM. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER ABEL, THE WOMAN LOOKS AT PAPERS ON THE PODIUM. WHAT WILL THE HOURS OF RECEIVING AND SHIPPING BE? WHAT TIME CAN TEXT KRISTIN LUCCI DISTRICT FIVE? I DO NOT KNOW THOSE HOURS. THEY SHOULD REMAIN THE SAME. I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE ANY INTENT FOR CHANGE. SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS THERE TRUCK SHOWING UP AT MIDNIGHT NOW? ARE THEY ONLY THERE DURING BUSINESS HOURS? THEY SHOULD ONLY BE THERE DURING BUSINESS HOURS. I'VE NEVER HEARD ANYTHING DIFFERENT. I CAN DEFINITELY FOLLOW UP AND FIND OUT, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT FOR SURE. I THINK FOR THE SAKE OF HOMEOWNERS, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE RECEIVING HOURS WOULD BE. OKAY. THAT WAY THERE WOULD NOT BE 18 WHEELERS COMING IN AT NINE O'CLOCK AT NIGHT. SURE. SO THANK YOU. OF COURSE. COMMISSIONER DALTON. THANK YOU. SO WE'RE NOT INCREASING MANUFACTURING, WE'RE ONLY INCREASING THE WAREHOUSING AND STORAGE FACILITIES. CORRECT. SO IT'S, SO WHATEVER'S TAKING PLACE TODAY, SHIPPING RECEIVING IS JUST A BIGGER BUILDING TO STORE PRODUCT IN AFTER IT HAS BEEN COMPLETE WHEN IT'S A COMPLETE PRODUCT READY TO BE SOLD. YES. BUT NOTHING CHANGES IN THE MANUFACTURING PORTION OF THIS. SO THEY'RE BUILDING 3000 SOMEWHERE. I HEARD THEY'RE DOING 3000 HATS A DAY OUT OF THERE, IS WHAT I'VE HEARD. SO THIS IS JUST A, A STOP PLACE TO STORE THINGS UNTIL THEY'RE READY TO GO. SO NO INCREASED VOLUME, REALLY JUST A MORE CONVENIENT PLACE TO PUT IT. I HAVE NOT HEARD OF ANY INCREASE IN VOLUME. OKAY. AND HAVING BEEN IN THERE ALSO, I KNOW THEY DO HAVE A LOT OF INVENTORY AND IT'S STACKED VERY HIGH. SO MY ASSUMPTION AS WELL, AS FAR AS WHAT I KNOW IS THAT THEY'RE ONLY PLANNING ON INCREASING THE SPACE FOR THOSE PRODUCTS. BUT THAT IS TRUE EVEN TO DO WITH THE, I GUESS THE TRAFFIC IN AND OUT. I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THAT IS INTENDED TO CHANGE. IT'S JUST THE STORAGE. ONCE THOSE ITEMS GET THERE, THAT WILL CHANGE FOR THEM, WHICH IS CONVENIENCE. THANK YOU. YES. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER DUCKWORTH. AUDIENCE MEMBERS SIT BEHIND THE PODIUM. THANK YOU, SIR. UH, MY QUESTION RUNNERS ALONG THE SAME LINE AS COMMISSIONER ABELS WAS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC. UH, MANY CONCERNS WE HAVE WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE KIND OF THINGS IS, IS IT GONNA CREATE NIGHT TRAFFIC WITH RESIDENTIAL, UH, PEOPLE LIVING SO CLOSE THERE? WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO INTERRUPT THEM. SO, BUT YOU DON'T KNOW THAT FOR SURE THAT THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ALL NIGHT DELIVERY OR PICKUP OF PRODUCT? I'VE NEVER HEARD, I'M SORRY. SO GO AHEAD. UM, I'VE NEVER HEARD OF AN INTENTION TO DO SO. I KNOW ALSO THAT THEY LIVE LOCALLY IN GARLAND AND I'VE NEVER HEARD OF ANY INTENTION TO, IN ANY WAY DISRUPT THE COMMUNITY OR TRAFFIC. OKAY. UM, IF I HAD, I PERSONALLY WOULD BE CONCERNED. UM, SO NO, I I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT SHOULD CHANGE FROM THE CURRENT CONDITIONS, WHICH I DON'T BELIEVE THEY'VE HAD ANY COMPLAINTS OR FEEDBACK FROM SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS ON. UM, I CANNOT SAY THAT. CERTAINLY I DO NOT KNOW, BUT I HAVE NOT HEARD OF THAT. RIGHT. WELL, OUR CITIZENS ARE ALWAYS CONCERNED ABOUT ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC AND THAT'S A, THAT'S A PART OF THE ECONOMIC GROWTH OF OUR CITY. AND SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO PUT UP, PUT ANOTHER 30 SECONDS UP TO, TO CREATE THE TAX BASE AND THE, AND THE INCOME LEVELS AND THE JOBS THAT, THAT THESE KIND OF, UH, THINGS DO. SO I HOPE OUR COMMUNITY, UH, UNDERSTANDS THAT WE, WE LOOK AT THIS AS A PART OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OF OUR CITY AS THE PRESENTATION SAID. AND APPRECIATE THE, THE LONG TERM 38 YEARS. UH, 1938 IS A LONG TIME TO BE A PART OF GARLAND. IN FACT, MY SWEET WIFE, I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF HER FIRST JOBS OUT THERE. SO, UH, I GO WAY BACK IN THE HISTORY OF THAT. SO ANYWAY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR INFORMATION. YES, OF COURSE. YOU WERE WORKING THERE WHEN THEY OPENED UP YOUR SCENE. YEAH, I WAS WORKING TEXTING PATRICK A. BELL. OKAY. UH, I, I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. UH, AGAIN, TO THE POINT OF THE TRUCKS, UH, ONE OF THE LETTERS WE GOT WAS CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC. OKAY. IS THERE GONNA BE, AND OBVIOUSLY YOU DON'T HAVE THESE ANSWERS RIGHT NOW, IS THERE GONNA BE AN INCREASE IN TRUCK TRAFFIC? UM, STAFF REPORTS SAID THAT THEY COULD PARK VEHICLES [00:35:01] ALONG DAVIS STREET. ARE THEY PLANNING ON PARKING VEHICLES THERE? ARE THEY PLANNING ON PARKING ANY VEHICLES ALONG MARION OVERNIGHT? 'CAUSE WE SEE THIS INDUSTRIAL AREAS WHERE THEY DROP THE TRAILER AND OR LEAVE THE TRUCK OVERNIGHT. AND I THINK WE'D WANT TO AVOID THAT. THEY'VE BEEN GOOD NEIGHBORS AND WE WANNA SEE 'EM SUCCEED, BUT WANT 'EM TO DO IT IN A RESPONSIBLE WAY. CHAIRMAN ROBERTS REEDS DOCUMENTS ALSO YOU'RE WITH UH, KIM LEE HORN. I OKAY SIR. IN THEIR DISCUSSIONS WERE THERE'S ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT LEFTOVER LAND AND HOW IT'S GONNA BE USED? THE WOMAN HOLDS PAPERS AT THE PODIUM. THEY DON'T HAVE, IT HAS BEEN A QUESTION THAT WE HAVE ASKED. UM, AND RIGHT NOW THERE IS A CREEK THAT'S RUNNING IN THOSE LOTS. IT MAKES IT DIFFICULT. RIGHT. WHICH MIGHT BE IDEAL FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE NEARBY, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE ANY PLAN TO, I THINK THIS, UM, EXTENSION FOR THEM REALLY SUITS THE NEEDS AND DEMAND THAT THEY HAVE RIGHT NOW IN GARLAND. UM, SO EVEN THE INCREASE, TO YOUR POINT WITH THE TRUCKS OR ANY TRAFFIC ALONG THE ROAD, UM, HAVING PERSONALLY BEEN THERE, THERE WAS NONE AT THE TIME. AND I HAVE NEVER SEEN EVEN, YOU KNOW, ONLINE GOOGLE MAPS, ANYTHING. I'VE NEVER SEEN ANY TRAFFIC ALONG THE ROAD. AND WITH THE LACK OF INCREASE IN TRAFFIC THAT I PERSONALLY EXPECT, I KNOW THAT ADDING THOSE 10 TRUCK DOCKS WHERE THERE'S THREE CURRENTLY, YOU SHOULD HAVE NO INCREASE IN ESPECIALLY TRUCKS, ANYTHING SUBSTANTIALLY SIZED ALONG THE ROAD. UM, BUT YES, PLANNING THESE LOTS TO THE SOUTH, THEY HAVE NO INTENTION RIGHT NOW OF DEVELOPMENT THAT I AM AWARE OF. AND I DON'T BELIEVE ALSO THAT THEY HAVE ANY NEED. SO I THINK THEY'RE WILLING TO BE OPEN OF WHAT TO DO WITH THOSE LOTS. UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S LANDOWNERS TO THE SOUTH THAT HAVE HOMES THERE AND WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN FOR THEM TO IMPACT. YEAH. I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE FLOOD PAN PLANE MAPS TO SEE WHAT'S ACTUALLY DEVELOPABLE THERE, BUT YES. UM, COMM UH, COMMISSIONER DALTON'S POINT, IF YOU'RE NOT INCREASING THE PRODUCTION, THERE SHOULDN'T BE MUCH OF AN INCREASE, IF AT ALL FOR TRUCK TRAFFIC THEN. SO HOPEFULLY IT WOULD BE ABOUT THE SAME TEXT SCOTT ROBERTS CHAIRMAN AS THIS MOVES FORWARD. THOSE QUESTIONS WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE READY FOR COUNCIL. OF COURSE. UM, LET'S SEE, WHAT ELSE DID I HAVE? AND I WASN'T ABLE TO MAKE IT OUT TO THE SITE, BUT, UH, THE PICTURES I SAW THAT, UH, DAVIS, THE PUBLIC STREET WAS BLOCKED OFF WITH GATES FOR THEIR USE AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT THOSE ARE BEING REMOVED AND IT'LL BE A PUBLIC USE STREET AGAIN. YES. THAT IS THE, I DON'T KNOW WHICH WAY TO LEAN, BUT EE EITHER ONE . OKAY. BUT THAT, THAT IS THE INTENTION. YES. THEY CURRENTLY HAVE THAT GATE THERE, BUT YEAH, THEY SHOULD NOT AND THEY WILL ARE GOING TO REMOVE IT. YES. AND I NOTICE IN THE SITE PLAN THE, UH, ACTUAL TRUCK DOCKS ARE IN THAT RECESS AREA, NOT, NOT ALONG THERE. AND LOOKING FROM THE LAYOUT WHERE THE PARKING IS, I'M NOT CERTAIN THAT'S LAID OUT TO WHERE AN 18 WHEELER CAN EASILY MAKE IT ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BUILDING. SO I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE JUST GOING IN AND OUT OF THE TRUCK BAY BECAUSE THE RADIUSS DON'T LOOK GOOD FOR TRUCK TRAFFIC. CORRECT. THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT SIZED CORRECTLY FOR 18 WHEELERS. SO THEY'LL JUST GO INTO THOSE TRUCK DOCKS AND EXIT AS IS THE CURRENT CONDITION. OKAY. GREAT. ALRIGHT, I THINK THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAD. WE WILL HAVE SOME, UH, SPEAKERS COME UP AND ALLOW HER TO COME BACK UP AND ADDRESS ANY ITEMS THEY BRING UP. YEAH. PERFECT. ALRIGHTY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH. MM-HMM . UH, FIRST SPEAKER AND AGAIN, THIS IS WHERE I CAN'T READ. WELL, UH, RUDY. RUDY IS THERE? RUDY HERE? . OKAY. AND NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE. I WAS WONDERING ABOUT, OH, I LIVE ON 16TH 22. JAMES DRIVE, BARLEY, TEXAS. I WAS WONDERING ABOUT THE TAX INCREASE. IF IT'S GONNA INCREASE ON THAT THE MAN STANDS AT A WOODEN PODIUM ON PROPERTY TAXES FOR THAT BUILDING. IF THEY ADD ON THERE OR IF THEY ADD ON, YEAH, THEY WILL BE PAYING MORE TAXES. BUT THAT'S UP TO THE COUNTY TO DETERMINE THE ACTUAL VALUE OF IT. YEAH. AND THE TRUCK, THE 18 WHEELER TRAFFIC THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER MM-HMM . THEY DO. AND I HAD TO PUT SOMETHING IN FRONT OF ON THE SIDE SO THEY WOULDN'T PARK THERE 'CAUSE THEY GOT SO CLOSE TO MY FENCE. IT LOOKED LIKE THEY WERE GONNA HIT IT OR MAYBE THEY DID HIT IT, DIDN'T RECOGNIZE IT. THE 18 WHEELERS DO STAY THE NIGHT THERE SOMETIMES. BUT THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONCERNS TOO. AND UM, ON THE BUILDING ITSELF, IT USED TO BE SO MUCH HEAT THAT USED TO HIT THE, THE WAREHOUSE USED TO REFLECT BACK TO THE, TO THE HOUSES AND HE USED TO LIKE BURN 'EM OR, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE THERE WAS SO MUCH HEAT REFLECTING OFF THE BUILDINGS. MANCHESTER'S A PODIUM WITH RED CHAIRS. I'VE HEARD OF THAT HAPPENING IN HIGH RISES WHERE, UM, ONE ARCHITECT DID A COUPLE CURVED BUILDINGS AND IT BURNED CARS AND STUFF. BUT, UH, A FLAT BUILDING LIKE THAT SHOULDN'T GENERATE TOO MUCH HEAT. YEAH, BECAUSE IT USED TO. HMM. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE USING SOMETHING DIFFERENT ON THAT AND MARION STREET, ARE [00:40:01] THEY GONNA FIX IT SO IT WON'T FLOOD THAT MUCH WHENEVER THE RAIN DOES COME? I DON'T THINK THAT'S, THAT'S A CITY ISSUE IN NOT PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, I THINK. YEAH. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. OH, YOU'RE WELCOME. MANNA ARLA, CHAIRMAN ROBERTS REVIEWS THE LIST OF SPEAKERS. UH, MANA AR ILLA, I THINK A-R-I-L-A CHAIRMAN ROBERTS LOOKS UP FROM HIS NOTES. MARIA. OH, OKAY. THE I AND THE R RAN TOGETHER THERE. I TOLD YOU I'M BAD ON READING AND PRONOUNCING NAMES. I'VE GOT A MASTER'S IN THAT. CHAIRMAN ROBERTS LOOKS UP AND SMILES VERY WELL. TAKE YOUR TIME. TAKE YOUR TIME. SO IT'S MARIA AVILA AT 1617 DAVIS BOULEVARD. THE WOMAN AT THE PODIUM GESTURES WHILE A TRANSLATOR STANDS BESIDE HER. OKAY. SO, UH, HER QUESTION IS, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THEY START, UM, DOING ANYTHING WITH THE ELECTRICITY, IF IT GOES OUT, TWO WOMEN REMAIN AT THE PODIUM, HOW ARE WE GOING TO BE AFFECTED? OR IF THEY DO ANYTHING WITH THE WATER OR, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING WITH THE UTILITIES, UM, WOULD WE BE AFFECTED? WELL, UH, THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH A, BEFORE THEY START BUILDING, THEY'LL HAVE TO GO THROUGH A SITE PERMIT PROCESS. AND THE CITY OF GARLAND IS ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT IS VERY THOROUGH AND THEY'LL BE WATCHING OVER 'EM AS THEY BUILD, HOPEFULLY. SO THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN. BUT IF IT DOES HAPPEN, THE CITY WILL BE RIGHT ON TOP OF IT. UH, AND HOPEFULLY IT WOULD BE MINOR IN NATURE. AT THE WOODEN PODIUM, A WOMAN IN A GRAY SWEATER LOOKS DOWN AT AN OPEN LAPTOP WHILE A WOMAN IN A BLACK CARDIGAN STANDS BESIDE HER. SO I'M KIND OF GOING TO TAG ALONG ON WHAT KIND OF RUDY SAID ON THE PROPERTY TAXES. SO I KNOW THAT THEIR PROPERTY TAXES WILL INCREASE, BUT WELL, OUR TAXES INCREASE AS WELL. UM, I'M NOT A TAX EXPERT. WE HAVE A REALTOR ON THE PANEL HERE, BUT I THINK THOSE TWO WOULD BE RELATIVELY DISCONNECTED. OKAY. IN AN APPRAISAL. COMMISSIONER ABEL, I CAN ACTUALLY, I CAN ACTUALLY ADDRESS THE TAX THING FOR YOU. THAT WOULD BE TWO SEPARATE ENTITIES ALTOGETHER. DALLAS COUNTY CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT WILL LOOK AT YOU AS A RESIDENTIAL AND FOR APPRAISAL PURPOSES IT WOULD, WHERE YOU'RE LOCATED, YOU'RE RIGHT BY THE PARK. EVERYTHING ELSE, THEY WOULD NOT TAKE ANYTHING OFF TYPICALLY FOR THE VIEW BECAUSE OF EVERYTHING THAT'S ALREADY EXISTING AROUND THE AREA. SO I WOULDN'T, I'D SELL THAT HOUSE IN A HEARTBEAT. YEAH, IT'S, IT'S MORE THE, IT'S MORE THE SAME USE. IT'S THE SAME USE THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE AND THEY'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING ADJACENT TO YOUR PROPERTY. IF THEY WERE BUILDING 1702 DAVIS RIGHT ACROSS AND THERE WAS GONNA BE HEADLIGHTS COMING IN AND OUT, IT MIGHT, BUT I DON'T THINK ANYTHING THERE WOULD AFFECT ANYTHING. TEXT PLAN COMMISSION. SEPTEMBER 28TH, 2026. OKAY. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING DOWN. LAST SPEAKER CARD I HAVE IS, UH, DANIEL NICHOLS. CHAIRMAN ROBERTS CLASPED HIS HANDS TOGETHER WHILE SITTING BEHIND HIS DESK. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. DANIEL NICHOLS, 1725 INWOOD BOULEVARD. THE SPEAKER CHECKS HIS NOTES. UM, THE SURVEY DOESN'T MENTION RESIST ALL HATCO. I'M SURE WE WOULD'VE PROVIDED MORE RESPONSES IF, IF WE HAD REALIZED BECAUSE WE'RE PROUD OF RESIST ALL HATCO, WE'D LOVE TO SEE AN IMPROVEMENT TO THE BUILDINGS. SO NOW THAT I UNDERSTAND A BIT MORE ABOUT IT, UM, I WAS ABLE TO CROSS OUT SOME OF MY CONCERNS. UH, BUT SOME OF MY EXISTING CONCERNS ARE, UH, WE'LL START WITH THE WOODED AREA. ARE THERE PLANS TO, UH, YOUR SLIDE MENTIONED, UM, SOME GDC STRUCTURAL OR G-D-G-D-C-C APPROVED. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA OF WHAT THE WOODS ARE GOING TO DO? MY CONCERN IS THAT THERE'S, THERE'S MULTIPLE ANIMALS THERE THAT HELP WITH OUR ECOSYSTEM TO DETER PEST. OKAY. SO MOVING ON. UH, THE NEXT CONCERN IS THE ROADS. YES. I, I TAKE MY MY CHILDREN TO SCHOOL. I GO TO WORK EVERY DAY. WE DO SEE THOSE 18 WHEELERS PARKED ON THE ROADS. THE ROAD IS A CRAB ROAD. WOMAN IN THE LIGHT HAT SITS [00:45:01] LEFT MAN IN A BLAZER. SITS RIGHT. I UNDERSTAND THAT. UM, YOU'VE BEEN TO THE FACILITY, BUT THE ROAD, THERE'S NO LINES. IT'S UNSAFE. WHEN THE 18 WHEELERS ARE THERE, IT'S, IT DOES STOP TRAFFIC. AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT INCREASING THE DISTRIBUTION. SO THAT IS GOING TO INCREASE THE TRAFFIC. IT, I MEAN, THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO ME. AGAIN, I LIVE BORDERING THE, THE WOODS. WE DO HEAR THE LOADING. WE DO HEAR THE NOISE, MAN LOOKS AT PODIUM PAPERS. SO YOU, YOU SAY THAT YOU ASSUME NOT, BUT FOR RESIDENTS, THAT'S LIKE THE MOST IMPORTANT TALK TO US. YEAH, . OH, OKAY. YEAH, I I'M NOT ADDRESSING THEM. OKAY, GOOD. SO IF I HAVE QUESTIONS NO, I'M SAYING I'M SORRY. SO IF I HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THEM, I I DON'T ADDRESS 'EM. ALRIGHT. YOU TELL US WHAT YOU WANNA KNOW AND I'LL GET HER TO ANSWER 'EM. I UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU. SO MAROON SEATS BEHIND A SPEAKER. WHERE WAS I? CHAIRMAN ROBERTS AT THE CURVE DESK. YEAH. YEAH, THE NOISE. YEAH. SO, UM, AGAIN, THE MAIN CONCERN FOR RESIDENTS IS NOISE, POLLUTION, TRAFFIC, EASY ACCESS, UM, TRANSIT TRACEABILITY. SO MAN LEANS ON THE PODIUM. I MEAN, WHY, WHY DON'T I, I'M JUST SURPRISED THAT THE APPLICANTS WEREN'T PREPARED TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE MIGHT BE A SECOND MEETING. SO DEFINITELY SOME BIG, OR RATHER THOSE WOULD BE THE IMPORTANT QUESTIONS. SPEAKER LEANS OVER NOTES AT THE PODIUM. THERE IS A NEW PARK THAT WE ALL KIND OF HAD A SIMILAR PANEL AND UH, WE TOOK DOWN THE OLD BUILDING THAT WAS DETERIORATING. WE MADE THIS BEAUTIFUL PARK SPEND MONEY ON, ON BUILDING A PART THAT'S FED BY THE CREEK. REALLY IMPORTANT. IT'S BEEN A WONDERFUL CONTRIBUTION TO THE COMMUNITY. THERE'S KIDS IN THE STREETS EVERY DAY PLAYING. UH, THAT WOULD BE A CONCERN. THE MAN GESTURES OF THE PODIUM. THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC WOULD BE A CONCERN, UH, FOR THE SAFETY. AGAIN, THE ROAD ISN'T BUILT WELL, THE SIGNAGE, THE STREET LINES. IS THAT IN MY TIME? YEAH. OKAY. . WELL, UM, MAYBE I'LL HELP YOU WITH SOME OF THE ANSWERS. IN TERMS OF THE WOODS, THERE IS A CREEK RUNNING THROUGH THERE, SO THERE'S A FLOOD PLAIN INVOLVED. SO IT'S DIFFICULT TO DEVELOP. SO I DON'T THINK ANYTHING'S GONNA HAPPEN IMMEDIATELY. IMMEDIATELY THERE. AND IT SHOULDN'T. CHAIRMAN ROBERT SITS AT THE DESK, SO WE'LL HAVE TO WAIT ON THAT. BUT THAT'S A DIFFICULT AREA TO DEVELOP WITH FLOODPLAINS AND EVERYTHING. IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC, I, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT AREA'S IN THE BOND AT ALL FOR IMPROVEMENT ALONG THAT ROAD. THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING, UH, COULD PROBABLY GET ANSWERED TO COUNCIL. SPEAKING OF WHICH THIS IS WHAT WE DO IS WE MAKE A JUDGMENT AND GIVE OUR RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL. THIS WILL THEN GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL, UH, OCTOBER 19TH. OCTOBER 19TH. SO PUT THAT ON YOUR CALENDARS AND THEY'LL MAKE THE FINAL OCTOBER 20TH. OCTOBER 20TH. UH, SO PUT THAT ON YOUR CALENDARS AND THEY WILL BE MAKING THE FINAL DETERMINATION. GARLAND MEETING ROOM WITH THANK YOU ON SCREENS. YEAH. AND YOU'LL BE GETTING ANOTHER LETTER. OKAY. AND A GENTLEMAN HERE IN FRONT, UH, I'M OUT OF CARDS. SO DID YOU CARE TO SAY SOMETHING ON THIS ONE? OKAY. CHAIRMAN, REVIEWS PAPERS, COME ON UP AND UH, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE. UH, MIKE WILLMAN. 1517 RESISTOL. I'M RIGHT AT THE END OF THAT. UH, I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS ASKING ABOUT THE TRAFFIC. UH, YOU'RE GONNA PUT 10 MORE BAYS IN THERE. OBVIOUSLY THERE'S GONNA BE MORE TRUCK TRAFFIC AND THE ROAD. THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS ON IT. SO A LOT OF US, EVEN MYSELF, WE WALK UP AND DOWN THAT STREET TO THE STORE OR NEIGHBORS OR WHATEVER. AND IF YOU GOT TRUCK ALLOWED TRAFFIC, THEN WE GOTTA EITHER GET OFF IN THAT DEEP DITCH OR WALK IN SOMEBODY'S YARD OVER HERE. AND I DON'T REMEMBER IT AS DAVIS. I REMEMBER IT WAS A RESISTOL HALF FACTORY. MM-HMM . AND, UH, IT'S BEEN A GOOD, UH, NEIGHBOR. I MEAN I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT. I THINK IT'S GOOD THEY ADD ON. I'M JUST CONCERNED THE TRUCK TRAFFIC, I MEAN, IT'S JUST MARION'S THE ONLY WAY THE TRUCK CAN GET IN THERE, IT CAN'T COME DOWN MY STREET. 'CAUSE THERE'S A BIG SIGN. THERE'S NO TRUCKS, , YOU KNOW, SO MY CONCERN IS, ARE THEY GONNA MONITOR THAT AND MAKE SURE THEY DON'T USE MY STREET AS A DRIVE THROUGH? I THINK THEY'VE BEEN PRETTY GOOD NEIGHBORS AND, UH, ONCE IT'S POINTED OUT, I WOULD HOPE THAT THEY WOULD INSTRUCT THEIR TRUCK DRIVERS TO DO THAT. BUT THAT'S SOMETHING TO BRING UP AT, UH, COUNCIL TOO THEN. YEAH, THEY'VE BEEN PRETTY GOOD, BUT MM-HMM . YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALWAYS A FEW THAT SAY THEY CAN GO DOWN THERE, YOU KNOW, BUT THERE'S ALWAYS SOMETHING. YEAH, THERE'S ALWAYS A FEW. BUT, UH, YEAH. YEAH, MY QUESTIONS. I APPRECIATE YOU ADDRESSING THE, UH, TRAFFIC. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SIR. ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS CASE? IF NOT, I'LL ASK THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK UP IF SHE HAS MORE INFORMATION FOR US. CHAIRMAN ROBERTS GESTURES WHILE REVIEWING DOCUMENTS AT HIS DESK. THANK YOU. UM, I'D FIRST LIKE TO SAY THANK [00:50:01] YOU SO MUCH FOR VOICING YOUR CONCERNS. I KNOW THAT I ALSO CARE ABOUT MY COMMUNITY AND WHERE I LIVE AND I LOVE TO SEE PEOPLE THAT, UM, CARE ABOUT THEIR CHILDREN AND THERE IS A BEAUTIFUL PARK ACROSS THE STREET. UM, SO I THINK THOSE ARE REALLY LEGITIMATE CONCERNS THAT SHOULD BE DISCUSSED AND OBVIOUSLY CAN BE DISCUSSED IN THE FUTURE AS WELL. I WILL NOTE THAT A FEW THINGS THAT I DO KNOW ARE THAT ADDING THIS DETENTION POND, I DO KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO PLAN TO HAVE LESS RUNOFF GO OFF TO THE ROAD. I KNOW THAT WAS A CONCERN THAT WAS VOICED AND THAT SAYS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN CONTROL THE RUNOFF FROM OUR SITE. UM, AND THEN ALSO WITH OUR LANDSCAPE PLANS, WE'RE GONNA BE, WE'RE REQUIRED TO, AS WE SHOULD, UM, ADD A LOT MORE, UM, WOODING AND TREES AND BUSHES AND SUCH ALONG MARION DRIVE AND DAVIS BOULEVARD. AND THERE WILL BE TREES BLOCKING THOSE ADDITIONAL TRUCK DOCKS. UM, AND THERE WILL BE TREES AROUND THE DETENTION POND, EVERYTHING TO THE SOUTH, ALL AROUND THE SITE. UM, ESPECIALLY I BELIEVE NOT ONLY FROM A VISUAL STANDPOINT, BUT ALSO POTENTIALLY FROM NOISE OR ANY ADDITIONAL HEAT, I WOULD EXPECT THAT THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. SO WHILE I AM NOT CONFIDENT ABOUT THE TRAFFIC, I AM CONFIDENT THAT IT WILL LOOK NICER. UM, AND I THINK ALSO THAT YOU MIGHT MITIGATE SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP BY THAT ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING. YES. ALL RIGHT. ANY, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? CHAIRMAN ROBERT SITS AT THE BASE. IT, IT MIGHT BE GOOD IF SOMEBODY YOU KNOW FROM THE COMPANY WHO KNOWS THE OPERATIONS, I KNOW YOU'RE DOING YOUR BEST AND YOU'RE DOING GREAT. CHAIRMAN ROBERTS LOOKS TOWARD THE PODIUM, UH, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS ABOUT TRAFFIC AND INCREASE AND STUFF. YEAH. PARKING. THEY'RE GONNA GET WHAT THEY NEED, WHAT THEY WANT AND EVERYTHING. SO, COMMISSIONER DUCKWORTH, JUST FOR, FOR CLARIFICATION OF OUR, OUR PATRONS HERE THAT ARE CONCERNED, UH, IF THIS MOVES FORWARD TO COUNCIL, DO YOU THINK YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO GIVE SOME DEFINITE ANSWERS TO HOURS OF OPERATION, NO PARKING ON THE STREET, ALL OF THOSE CONCERNS THAT IF YOU LIVED IN ONE OF THESE PEOPLES WHERE THESE FOLKS LIVE, THAT YOU WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT, UH, COULD YOU BRING THAT TO COUNCIL SO THEY'LL HAVE THAT INFORMATION TO, TO MAKE A HARD DECISION ON AND, AND TO PROTECT OUR CITIZENS, UH, AS MUCH AS WE CAN. WE KNOW THERE'S ALWAYS TIMES WHEN THINGS CAN GO OFF THE RAIL A LITTLE BIT, BUT WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR CONSISTENCY FOR THE COMMUNITY. AND AGAIN, THAT, UH, THIS ENTITY IS A GOOD PART OF OUR COMMUNITY. IT, IT KEEPS OUR INDUSTRY KEEPS OUR PERSONAL TAXES DOWN. SO THE QUESTION ABOUT TAXES IS, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY DO THEY, AS I UNDERSTAND, NOT ONLY DO THEY PAY TAXES ON THE REAL ESTATE, THEY PAY TAXES ON THEIR INVENTORY, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE TO DO IN OUR OWN HOME. SO, UH, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A WIN-WIN FOR THE COMMUNITY WHEN WE HAVE DEVELOPMENT. BUT I JUST LIKE, UH, IF THIS DOES GO FORWARD TO COUNSEL, I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO ASSURE OUR CITIZENS AND COUNSEL THAT THEY'RE GOOD AND GOOD FIRM ANSWERS AND NOT AS SO FAR AS I KNOW, BUT FACTUAL, UH, HARD ANSWERS. THANK YOU. YES, ABSOLUTELY. I THINK THAT IS A GREAT POINT. AND I THINK THAT THESE ARE CONCERNS THAT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED, UM, IN MY PERSONAL OPINION. UM, SO YES, I DO KNOW THAT THERE WILL BE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM HATCO, UM, AS WELL AS OTHER ENGINEERING STAFF THERE AS WELL, UM, THAT CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS DEFINITIVELY. AND I PERSONALLY WILL SEE TOO THAT THESE COMMENTS HAVE, WILL BE ADDRESSED BY THEM AT THAT TIME. UM, AND IF THERE ARE ANY, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL CONCERNS, I HOPE THAT THOSE ARE VOICED. AND I HOPE THAT IF THIS DEVELOPMENT MOVES FORWARD, THAT IT CAN BE SOMETHING THAT IS OVERALL BENEFICIAL FOR THE COMMUNITY AND THAT MAKES EVERYONE IN THAT SURROUNDING AREA HAPPY AND THEY CONTINUE TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS AND STICK BY THEIR CHARACTER. KO'S BEEN GOOD TO THE CITY AND WE WANNA BE GOOD TO THEM, BUT WE GOT NEIGHBORS. ABSOLUTELY. YES. AND I WOULD, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU BRING THOSE BACK AS FACTUAL PARTS OF YOUR PRESENTATION OF OURS WILL BE PARKING, YOU KNOW, THOSE KIND OF THINGS. SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK AND FORTH TO GET THE ANSWER. YES SIR. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. ALRIGHTY, COMMISSIONERS, THAT'S THE END OF OUR PUBLIC HEARING PRESENTATION PART, IT LOOKS LIKE. UH, DO I HEAR MOTION OR DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER DALTON, YOU HAD A QUESTION? I'M SORRY, I HAD A QUESTION. I WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT. ECHO HAS BEEN A EXTREMELY GOOD RESIDENT AND BUSINESS IN GARLAND HAS GIVEN US A LOT OF BRAGGING RIGHTS. TEXT TERRY MILLARD, DISTRICT THREE, THE CONCERNS OF ADDITIONAL TRUCKING. I I, I'M CAN'T WRAP MY HEAD AROUND IF THEY'RE NOT PRODUCING ANY MORE PRODUCT NEXT WEEK THAN THEY'RE MAKING THIS WEEK. I CAN'T SAY WHY THERE WOULD BE ANY ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC ON THAT ROAD THAN THERE IS [00:55:01] ALREADY THERE. TEXT MERRILL ZO, THE RETAIL STORE. I KIND OF THINK IT'S A LITTLE QUAINT, BUT IT AND I'VE BEEN THERE A TIME OR TWO AND IT, IT WILL BE NICE TO GET TO SEE THAT IMPROVED. UH, I APPRECIATE THEM HANDLING, UH, ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING AND SO FORTH. AND THAT BRINGS ME, I GUESS, TO THE LAST THING. AND THAT'S MARION DRIVE. AND I WOULD LIKE TO ENCOURAGE THE CITY TO LOOK DEEPER INTO WHEN SOMETHING CAN BE DONE TO IMPROVE THAT ROAD, BECAUSE IT IS AN AWFUL ROAD, EVEN IF THE PLANT WERE NOT THERE. SO I'M IN FAVOR OF THE ADDITION AS IT'S WRITTEN. JUST, UH, WANNA MAKE MY STATEMENT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE OR WANNA GO INTO MOTIONS? UH, COMMISSIONER ABEL. THERE WE GO. AND THEN COMMISSIONER DUCKWORTH. I, I WOULD LIKE TO KIND OF SECOND EVERYTHING YOU SAID. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO IMPLORE THE CITY TO LOOK AT PUTTING NO PARKING SIGNS ALONG MARION TEXT, KRISTEN LUCCI, DISTRICT FIVE, THAT STREET WITH THE DROP OFFS, EVERYTHING ELSE, THERE'S JUST NOWHERE TO GO THERE. EVEN RESIDENTS DON'T PARK ON THAT STREET. UM, SO I KNOW THEY LISTEN AND THEY'LL PROBABLY NOT LIKE ME FOR THAT, BUT THEY HAVE PUT NO PARKING SIGNS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD ON CERTAIN STREETS, AND IT DOES WONDERS FOR CLEARING UP THE AREA. SO JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT IN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER DUCKWORTH. TEXT SCOTT ROBERTS, AND, AND I'LL GET DITO THE TWO PREVIOUS COMMISSIONERS OF WHAT THEY SAID. I THINK AS A GROUP, WE JUST, WE WANT OUR CITY TO GROW. WE WANT OUR CITY TO DEVELOP, BUT WE WANT OUR RESIDENTS THAT HAPPEN TO BE IN THESE AREAS WHERE DEVELOPMENT IS HAPPENING TO, TO HAVE A VOICE IN THIS AND THAT YOU UNDERSTAND WHEN IT GOES TO COUNCIL, WHAT THE, WHAT THE PROPOSITION IS AND, UH, WHAT THE, THE INDUSTRY IS GONNA DO. THE, THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY THERE IS GONNA DO TO, TO MAKE, UH, YOUR, YOUR NEIGHBORS, THEY MAY BE INDUSTRIAL AND YOU'RE AN INDIVIDUAL, BUT YOU'RE STILL NEIGHBORS AND YOU HAVE BEEN FOR SINCE 1938, I'M SURE MANY OF THOSE HOMES OVER THERE WHEN, WHEN THIS PLANT WAS BUILT OR SHORTLY THEREAFTER. SO, UH, WE WANT, I WANT THIS TO BE A WIN-WIN SITUATION. AND, UH, LET'S MOVE FORWARD TO THE COUNCIL WITH THAT UNDERSTANDING AND THAT INFORMATION BEING BROUGHT FORTH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYBODY WANNA MAKE A MOTION? CHAIRMAN ROBERTS LOOKS DOWN AT HIS DOCUMENTS. COMMISSIONER LUCIDO CHAIRMAN ROBERT SMILES. UM, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE, UM, THE STAFF'S PROPOSAL. I THINK ALSO THOUGH, MAKING THE, THE ADDITIONAL COMMENT THAT OTHERS HAVE MADE THAT I THINK HAVING THE INFORMATION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT, YOU KNOW, CONFIRM THAT THERE WON'T BE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC, AND ALSO LOOK AT THE TIMES THAT THOSE TRUCKS WOULD BE COMING IN AND OUTTA THE NEIGHBORHOOD DELIVERING. I THINK THOSE ARE KEY POINTS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN BEEN CAPTURED, BUT OTHERWISE, I'M MOVED TO, UH, APPROVE ALRIGHTYY. UH, COMMISSIONER MIRANDA, SECOND. THE COMMISSIONER. SIT BEHIND THE CURVE DESK. WHOOP, THERE YOU GO. OKAY. CORRECT. I SECOND THE MOTION TO A, UH, APPROVE, UH, THIS REQUEST AS WRITTEN AND TO ADD ALL OF OUR COMMENTS THERE FOR COUNSEL TO REVIEW THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS PRESENTED BY STAFF AND FORWARD OUR COMMENTS TO THE, UH, TO THE CITY COUNCIL. THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE. LET'S SEE. NO DISCUSSION. CHAIRMAN ROBERTS ADJUSTS HIS GLASSES. TURN MY MIC. CALL VOTING RESULTS J JONES MOTION. SEVEN. YES. ZERO. NO. TWO ABSTENTIONS. THAT PASSAGE UNANIMOUSLY. ON A SIDE NOTE, TO YOUR POINT, UH, COMMISSIONER DALTON ABOUT THEM BEING SUCH GREAT NEIGHBORS, UH, THE MAYOR, MAYOR HEDRICK JUST TODAY POSTED A BLOG ABOUT HIS TRIP TO, UH, OUR SISTER CITY IN TAIWAN. AND COUNCILMAN MOORE WENT, THEY WORE THEIR HATS, THEIR COWBOY HATS THROUGH THE WHOLE TRIP. AND THEY SAID, IF YOU WANNA GET NOTICED ON THE ISLAND IN TAIWAN, WEAR, WEAR THOSE HATS. AND THEY ALSO TOOK SOME AND GAVE 'EM TO SOME DIGNITARIES TOO. SO THEY, THEY ARE A GOOD ICEBREAKER IF NOTHING ELSE FOR THIS CITY. ALL RIGHT, ITEM NUMBER TWO, CGDC AMENDMENT 26 DASH EIGHT. HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER AMENDMENTS FOR PROVISIONS RELATED TO SHORT TERM RENTALS TO CHAPTER TWO ZONING REGULATIONS. ARTICLE FIVE, USE REGULATIONS INCLUDING SECTION 2.50 2.51 AND 2.52, AND A LAND USE MATRIX AMENDMENTS TO CHAPTER SIX DEFINITIONS. AND AMENDMENT TO CHAPTER SEVEN, DOWNTOWN DISTRICT TABLE SEVEN DASH ONE, DOWNTOWN DISTRICT, LAND USE MATRIX. THANK YOU CHAIR. UM, A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON THIS ITEM, IF WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. UM, SHORT TERM [01:00:01] RENTALS STR UH, IN THE LAST COUPLE, IN THE LAST DECADE WHEN THEY BECAME MORE AND MORE COMMON, UM, NOT JUST US ALL CITIES HAVE HAD DIFFICULTY IN DECIDING HOW TO REGULATE THEM. TEXT STAY DEFENSIBLE COURTS HAD INDICATED THAT, HEY, THERE IS A CHANCE THAT IT IS, IT COULD BE CONSIDERED A FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT OF THE PROPERTY OWNER TO RENT IT OUT. JUST LIKE YOU'RE RENTING OUT YOUR PROPERTY LONG TERM, YOU HAVE SIMILAR RIGHTS TO RENT IT OUT SHORT TERM. UM, THERE WERE SOME LITIGATION RISKS BECAUSE AGAIN, IT, THIS IS NOT A USE THAT'S BEEN OUT THERE FOR YEARS AND YEARS OR DECADES. IT WAS COMPARATIVELY NEWER. UM, SO OBVIOUSLY OUR STANCE WAS WE WANTED TO STAY DEFENSIBLE. WE DIDN'T WANNA BECOME THE TEST CASE BY, UM, DOING SOMETHING THAT'S, THAT HAS NOT BEEN, THAT'S NOT OUR LEGAL, LEGAL TEAM IS NOT TOO CONFIDENT IN THAT. SO THERE WERE SOME LITIGATION RISKS. SO THE WAY WE, UH, HAD THE REGULATIONS ON WERE NOT ZONING OR LAND USE BASED, IT WAS MOSTLY, UH, PERMIT BASED. SO WE DO HAVE A SHORT TERM RENTAL, UM, PERMIT PROGRAM. ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO OPERATE A SHORT TERM RENTAL, THEY HAVE TO REGISTER WITH OUR CODE COMPLIANCE DEPARTMENT. SO IT WAS MORE SO THAT, UH, THEY'RE NOT CREATING NUISANCE. SO THERE ARE INSPECTIONS, THERE ARE, UM, RENEWALS, UM, TO MAKE SURE THE RESIDENCES ARE, AND THE, THE DUELING UNITS ARE KEPT UP TO DATE. UM, NEXT SLIDE. HOWEVER, UH, A RECENT CASE, UM, JUNE OF 2026, MARVILLE VERSUS CITY OF NEW BRAUNFELS, UH, THE FIFTH CIRCUIT, UH, HAD STEPPED IN AND THEY HAD RULED OUT THE, THE RATIONAL BASIS THAT WAS THERE BEFORE THAT. HEY, SHORT TERM RENTAL IS JUST LIKE LONG TERM RENTAL. THEY HAVE UPHELD NEW BROWNFIELD'S POSITION THAT THERE IS RESIDENTIAL INTEGRITY AND NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER THAT ARE LEGITIMATE GOVERNMENT INTEREST. AND THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RENTING IT OUT SHORT TERM VERSUS LONG TERM. THERE THERE'S A SOCIAL CONTRACT BETWEEN NEIGHBORS WHEN YOU'RE RENTING LONG-TERM VERSUS WHEN YOU'RE JUST OUT THERE FOR THE WEEKEND, UM, OR FOR PARTYING OR VACATIONING. SO THERE, THERE, THERE ARE FUNDAMENTAL DIFFERENCES IN, SORRY, BEHAVIOR, UM, WHEN YOU'RE RENTING SHORT TERM VERSUS LONG TERM. SO, UM, THIS CASE HAS, UM, REALLY SET THE STAGE FOR THE CITY TO COME IN AND REGULATE SHORT TERM RENTALS AS LAND USES FROM HERE ON OUT. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO, CORE DIFFERENCE BEFORE JUNE OF 2026, IT WAS MOSTLY REGULATED WITH OPERATIONAL RULES, PERMITS, INSPECTIONS, CONDUCT. THERE WAS NO ZONING REGULATIONS IN PLACE. SOME CITIES DID THAT. GARLAND NEVER DID. AS, AS WE MENTIONED, WE WANTED TO BE LEGALLY DEFENSIBLE AND VERY, WE HAD A VERY CONSERVATIVE APPROACH TO MINIMIZE LITIGATION EXPOSURE. HOWEVER, WITH THIS FIFTH CIRCUIT, UM, DECISION, UH, WE ARE PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT WE CAN NOW REGULATE THEM BASED ON ZONING. WE CAN HAVE BY RIGHT LOCATIONS, SUP LOCATIONS AND DISTRICTS WHERE SHORT TERM RENTALS ARE PROHIBITED. AND AGAIN, BECAUSE RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER IS A CORE, IS THE CORE OF THAT FIFTH CIRCUIT DECISION, WE'RE CONFIDENT THAT OUR RATIONALE WILL HOLD UP IN THE COURT. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO WITH THAT, OUR PROPOSED STANDARDS, I'M JUST SUMMARIZING IT HERE. OF COURSE, THE ORDINANCE WAS POSTED IN THE PACKAGE AND WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. BUT, UH, SUMMARIZING, UH, WHERE SHORT-TERM RENTAL WILL NOW BE A LAND USE IN OUR LAND USE CHART, UH, WE'LL HAVE A DEFINITION, UH, FOR THAT. AND THAT DEFINITION DOES SPECIFY THAT IT HAS TO BE THE ENTIRE DUELING UNIT FOR LODGING BY ONE BOOKING PARTY. AND, UM, IT IS OBVIOUSLY NOT MORE THAN 30 CONSECUTIVE DAYS. UM, WE DO MAKE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HOTEL MOTEL BED AND BREAKFAST HOSPITAL NURSING. SO SHORT TERM RENTAL IS ITS OWN LAND USE IN THE LAND USE CHART. UH, WITH THE, UM, CURRENT PROPOSAL, WE ARE PROPOSING IT TO BE PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN LIGHT COMMERCIAL AND HEAVY COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS. AND IN PLAN DEVELOPMENTS ONLY IF IT IS EXPLICITLY PERMITTED IN THAT PLAN DEVELOPMENT. IF THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT SHORT TERM RENTALS, IT'S ASSUMED THAT IT IS NOT PERMITTED IN THAT PLAN DEVELOPMENT. UM, WE HAVE INCLUDED, UH, ONE PROVISION THAT, BECAUSE CURRENTLY IT'S A TRICKY SITUATION BECAUSE CURRENTLY IT'S NOT REGULATED AS LAND USE, BUT WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO HAVE VALID PERMIT TO HAVE SHORT TERM RENTALS. UM, WE HAVE INCLUDED A PROVISION THAT THEY WILL BE, OBVIOUSLY BE ABLE TO CONTINUE THEIR PERMITS. AND WE HAVE INCLUDED ONE TRANSFERABLE, [01:05:01] UM, TEXT PROPOSED STANDARDS SITUATION WHERE IF THE CURRENT OWNER SELLS THEIR PROPERTY AND THEY TRANSFER THEIR PERMIT WITHIN 12 MONTHS, THE NEXT OWNER WILL BE ABLE TO CONTINUE WITH THAT SHORT-TERM RENTAL PERMIT. BUT THAT'S JUST LIMITED TO ONE FOR EACH PROPERTY. YOU CAN ONLY DO IT ONE. SO IF THE NEXT PROPERTY OWNER THEN WANTS TO SELL IT, THEN THAT THEY CANNOT, THE, THE THIRD PROPERTY OWNER WOULD, WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO CONTINUE WITH THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL PERMIT. SO THAT'S KIND OF THE GIST OF WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO. UH, IF YOU WANNA GO NEXT SLIDE. YEAH. THAT'S WHERE WE STAND. UM, I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS, ALTHOUGH THIS IS NOT CONSIDERED A NON-CONFORMING SITUATION BECAUSE AGAIN, IT WASN'T EVEN A LAND USE TO BEGIN WITH. WE HAVE, UM, TEXT, NO BILL AND ERROR GONE AN EXTRA LENGTH. AND WE HAVE NOTIFIED ALL THE VALID PERMIT HOLDERS THAT ARE CURRENTLY WITHIN THE CITY, UH, WITH THE ENHANCED NOTICING LANGUAGE. AND WE HAVE ALSO, UH, NOTICED THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS BECAUSE IT, UH, IMPACTS SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY DISTRICTS. SO FROM NOTICING PERSPECTIVE, WE WENT ABOVE AND BEYOND THEN WHAT'S REQUIRED. OKAY. UH, WITH THAT, I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. UH, ONE QUICK QUESTION. YOU, ONE OF YOUR LAST POINTS WAS THAT 12 MONTH WINDOW, THAT 12 MONTHS STARTS WHEN THE COUNCIL OFFICIALLY APPROVES THE NEW ORDINANCE. IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, THE 12 MONTH IS FOR THE OWNER. YEAH. SO WHEN THEY SELL IT FROM THAT TIME, THEY HAVE 12 MONTHS TO TRANSFER THEIR PERMIT. UM, NO. THE WAY AND KURT MAYBE ABLE TO HELP ME ON THIS. YEAH, YEAH. UH, THE WAY I READ IT, UH, THEY HAVE 12 MONTHS FROM WITHIN THE ORDINANCES PASSED IF THEY WANT TO SELL IT. AND THEN THE NEW OWNER HAS 30 DAYS TO APPLY FOR NEW PERMIT. NABIL AND THEIR ADJUSTER HERE, YOU READ IT. THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE MAY BE ABLE TO CLARIFY ON THAT. 'CAUSE I'M CERTAIN THERE ARE QUESTIONS OUT HERE. ROBERTS CONSULTS, HIS PAPERS, MY RECOLLECTION, AND I'M TRYING TO LOOK TO FIND THE, THE LOCATION, MY RECOLLECTION IS, IS THAT IT IS FROM THE, UH, 12 MONTHS FOR THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE, UH, ORDINANCE. ORDINANCE. OKAY. YEAH. LET'S SEE IF I CAN FIND THAT. DOCUMENTS LIE ON THE CURVED DESK. UH, YEAH. THE, THE WAY THE WAY I READ IT IS IT'S UH, UH, FROM THE TIME THE ORDINANCE IS PASSED, IF YOU TRANSFER, SELL YOUR PROPERTY WITHIN 12 MONTHS, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO TRANSFER AND SELL THE RIGHT TO HAVE A SHORT TERM RENTAL. BUT THAT PERSON MUST THEN WITHIN 30 DAYS OF THAT TRANSFER, MAKE THE APPLICATION. AND IT'S IN, IT'S IN, UH, I TO I THERE, THE TRANSFER IS COMPLETE. UH, AND THE FLAG STANDS ON THE LEFT, NOT LATER THAN 12 MONTHS AFTER THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS ORDINANCE. THAT'S CORRECT. TWO I IS, UH, CLARIFYING THAT PIECE? YEP, YOU'RE CORRECT. IT'S ALL LEGALESE. THE MICROPHONE ON THE DAYS IS VISIBLE. OKAY. UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF NABILA TEXT? THANK YOU. QUESTIONS? THE DISPLAY FEATURES A STYLIZED TOWER. OKAY. I DO HAVE A FEW SPEAKER CARDS. UH, START WITH, UH, CARL CARLA SEABOLD. OH YEAH. CALLED HER UP. HI THERE. NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE. THANK, THANK YOU. SEABOLD. UH, HOME ADDRESS 26 83 CADDY ROAD, 1 41, KAUFMAN, TEXAS 7 1 4 2. THANK YOU. UH, I OWN A PROPERTY IN GARLAND. MM-HMM . AND JUST WENT THROUGH THE NEW PERMITTING JOB REQUIRED, WHICH IS VERY EX, I MEAN, IT'S VERY DETAILED. THE SPEAKER STANDS AT THE WOODEN PODIUM READING A DOCUMENT. SO MY QUESTION IS, YOU'RE SAYING 12 MONTHS FROM THE TIME THIS ORDINANCE GOES THROUGH, IF I WANT TO SELL IT, SHE GLANCES DOWN OF HER NOTES. THAT'S GONNA BE THE ONLY TIME ANYBODY ELSE CAN BUY IS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL. SHE GESTURES WITH HER HAND. YEAH. WITHIN THE FIRST 12 MONTHS, THAT'S WHEN YOU CAN SELL IT. AND THE RIGHT TO HAVE, UH, SHORT-TERM RENTAL WOULD GO ALONG WITH THAT SALE. NABIL, A NURSE SITS WITH HANDS ON THE DESK. 13. IF IT'S 13 MONTHS, NO, BUT IF I MAINTAIN MY PROPERTY, IT STAYS ON THE PERMIT PROGRAM. UH, IF YOU HAVE A VALID PERMIT NOW THAT LASTS AS LONG AS YOU WANT TO USE IT. OH, OKAY. MM-HMM . THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S WHAT I WAS CONCERNED IS THAT THE WHOLE PROGRAM WAS GOING AWAY. NO. AND I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO WHAT I WANT TO WITH MY PROPERTY. NO. UH, THE, THE WAY I READ IT, IF YOU HAVE A VALID PERMIT, NOW THE MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC ADDRESSES THE COMMISSION. UH, YOU CAN KEEP DOING SHORT TERM RENTALS FOR AS LONG AS YOU OWN THE PROPERTY, UH, THE [01:10:01] WAY IT IS NOW. AS, AS LONG AS YOU COMPLY WITH ALL THE RULES AND REGULATIONS. EXACTLY. WHICH WE DO. AND YOU KNOW, THE, THE THING THAT I, THIS IS MY FIRST SHORT TERM RENTAL. I, I'VE BEEN IN REAL ESTATE FOREVER. I'VE GOT A LOT OF RENTAL PROPERTIES AND THIS IS BY FAR THE NICEST, CLEANEST PROPERTY OTHER THAN MY LONG TERM RENTALS. I MEAN, THEY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE SEEN RENTAL PROPERTIES, THOSE PEOPLE DON'T TAKE CARE OF THEM. UH, THIS ONE I'M RESPONSIBLE FOR AND I TAKE CARE OF. YEAH. AND MAKE SURE THERE'S NO PARTIES. AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A PARTY HOUSE, IT'S SOMEWHERE FAMILIES GO ON VACATION. UM, SO THAT'S JUST MY CONCERN IS NOT BEING ABLE TO DO IT AT ALL. MM-HMM. WELL, LIKE I SAID, IF YOU'VE GOT A PERMIT, YOU'RE GOOD. OKAY. AND, UM, WHEN IS IT SUPPOSED TO TAKE EFFECT? WHEN IS THE COUNCIL SUPPOSED TO HEAR THIS? DO YOU KNOW? OCTOBER 20TH IS WHEN WE WERE, WE'LL PUT IT TO CITY COUNCIL. OKAY. OCTOBER 20TH. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WHEN THEY'LL APPROVE THE ORDINANCE OR IF THERE'LL BE ANOTHER HEARING AFTERWARDS. THIS WILL GO BECAUSE IT HAS ALREADY GONE TO WORK SESSION. THIS WILL GO DIRECTLY TO CITY COUNCIL. UM OKAY. VOTE IT COULD POSSIBLY BE AT 8TH OF OCTOBER. YEAH. IN ABOUT OCTOBER 20TH. ABOUT 25 DAYS. YEAH. OKAY. AND THEN, UH, THAT'S WHEN IT BE APPROVED AND FILED. AND THEN THAT'S WHEN THE CLOCK STARTS. SO THERE WILL BE NO, NO MORE NEW SHORT TERM RENTALS OR DO OR WILL THERE, THEY'LL JUST BE PERMITTED. OR ONE THING TO POINT OUT, SHORT TERM RENTALS WILL BE ALLOWED IN INDUSTRIAL AND HEAVY COMMERCIAL ZONED AREAS. NO LIGHT COMMERCIAL AND HEAVY COMMERCIAL. LI LIGHT COMMERCIAL HEAVY COMMERCIAL. OKAY. I GOT MY MERWICK STUFF. SO, BUT NO, BUT NO MORE RESIDENTIALS. YOU CAN'T TURN, YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO, NO, NO NEW ONES AFTER OCTOBER 20TH. MM-HMM . BUT IF YOU HAD ANYTHING PERMANENTED BEFORE OCTOBER 20TH, YOU CAN CONTINUE AND CONTINUE. OKAY. THAT WAS ALL I HAD. ALRIGHT. YOU'LL HAVE TO KEEP UP WITH YOUR PERMIT AND RIGHT. KEEP THE PROPERTY IN COMPLIANCE. RIGHT. EXACTLY. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING DOWN. TEXT SCOTT ROBERTS. UH, TED MUMA, THE SPEAKER AT THE PODIUM USES A LAPTOP, 34 50 HEATHER HILL DRIVE, GARLAND, TEXAS 7 5 0 4 4. SO YOU'RE SAYING IF WE ALREADY HAVE A ST. SHORT TERM RENTAL PERMIT, WHEN TIME TO RENEW IT, AS LONG AS YOU PASS THE INSPECTIONS AND ALL OF THAT, WE CAN CONTINUE TO RENEW IT. MM-HMM . RIGHT. IF YOU'RE IN COMPLIANCE YES. JUST RENEW IT WHEN TIME COME. CORRECT. YOU CAN CONTINUE. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND FROM, FROM WHAT I'M SEEING, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE ARE THE GOOD, GOOD PEOPLE RUNNING THESE THINGS. 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME THAT AREN'T AND THAT'S WHAT'S CAUSED THE PROBLEM ON MY PROPERTY. SO I KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. . THANK YOU. SCOTT ROBERTS SITS AT THE DESK. ALL RIGHT. UH, UH, MICAH WELLMAN. NABIL UR WEARS A PROTECTIVE MASK. YEAH, I DID. NABIL UR TOUCHES HER CHIN. YEAH. OKAY. SCOTT ROBERTS TURNS HIS HEAD TO HIS RIGHT, THEN FACES FORWARD WITH A SMILE AND NAME AND ADDRESS, LIKE, UH, GOOD EVENING. LOOKS LIKE I'M TED MUON. 1231 WEST AVENUE. A GARLAND ROWS OF MAROON CHAIRS BEHIND A PODIUM RESIDENT. 20 YEARS. UH, ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO, WE DECIDED THAT WE WERE GONNA, UH, TAKE OUR DILAPIDATED GARAGE AND, AND TURN IT INTO A SHORT-TERM RENTAL, WHICH WE DID. THE MAN SITS IN THE BACK. UH, THE PURPOSE OF THAT WAS THE SPEAKER RESTS HIS HANDS ON THE PODIUM TO RE HOPEFULLY RETIRE. YOU KNOW, I'M 80 YEARS OLD. I RECENTLY, UH, WAS ABLE TO, UH, GET A SMALL PENSION FROM THE GARLAND ISD AS A SCHOOL BUS DRIVER. SO MY WIFE AND I WERE LIVING ON OUR SHORT TERM RENTAL AND OUR, UH, SMALL PENSION AND SOCIAL SECURITY. WE ALL KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT MUCH. I BOASTED MOST OF MY MONEY IN THIS SHORT TERM RENTAL SO THAT I WOULD HAVE THIS RETIREMENT. AND SO, UH, MY THOUGHT IS, YOU KNOW, I I I, YOU HAVE ANSWERED SOME QUESTIONS HERE THAT MAKE ME FEEL A LITTLE BIT MORE COMFORTABLE ABOUT ALL THIS, EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT IF I WANT TO GAIN EQUITY OR, OR SELL MY HOUSE AND, UH, PROPERTY AND GAIN ANY MONEY FOR THE FACT THAT IT IS A SHORT TERM RENTAL, I'VE GOTTA DO THAT WITHIN 12 MONTHS. THAT MEANS I GOTTA DO IT RIGHT NOW. CORRECT. AND MY IDEA WAS TO BE ABLE TO LIVE HERE FROM NOW ON, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, BEING MY AGE, I'M NOT SURE I CAN CONTINUE TO KEEP THAT SHORT TERM RENTAL UP AFTER I RETURN, SAY, 10 YEARS FROM NOW. SO I WOULD LIKE TO SELL MY HOME, BUT I DON'T WANNA SELL IT THIS YEAR. MM-HMM . SO I FEEL LIKE, JUST TO BE TRUTHFUL, AND I KNOW I'M GOING OVER TIME HERE, BUT, UH, PROBABLY, BUT, UH, WE HAVE OUR RENTAL. WE, UH, WE DO NOT ALLOW ANY PARTIES. WE DON'T ALLOW ANY GUESTS. WE HAVE COUPLES ONLY WE HAVE, UH, ENTRANCE. UH, THE PEOPLE COME IN AND THEY, UH, THEY [01:15:01] ARE, UH, IT'S VERY QUIET, VERY PEACEFUL. WE'VE NEVER HAD, WE'VE BEEN OPEN FOR, UH, SEVEN YEARS. WE HAVE 4.9 RATING ON FROM 204 REGISTERED THE SPEAKER GESTURES WHILE LOOKING UP FROM HIS NOTES, WHAT AM I TRYING TO SAY? PEOPLE WHO HAVE, UH, GIVEN US RATINGS, GUESTS WHO'VE ATTENDED US, WE HAD, UH, 204 RE VIEWS FROM AIRBNB FOR 4.9 RATING. WE'VE NEVER HAD A COMPLAINT FROM A NEIGHBOR AT ALL. AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE BETTER IF, AND YOU MIGHT CONSIDER THIS, RATHER THAN, UH, TAKING A, THE SPEAKER HOLDS THE EDGES OF THE PODIUM BROAD PEN AND HITTING ALL THE AIRBNB PEOPLE IN TOWN, OR SHORT TERM RENTAL PEOPLE IN TOWN THAT MAYBE YOU, UH, DO SOME, UH, WORK ON THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE BAD ACTORS. YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE DONE OUR, WE'VE PAID THE PAID ALL THE T GESTURES WITH BOTH HANDS. UH, WE'VE GOT OUR PERMITS. WE, WE DID EVERYTHING AND WE JUMPED THROUGH ALL THE HOOPS, BASICALLY. AND WE'VE KEPT IT LEGAL. SO IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE MAYBE WE'RE OVERSTEPPING OUR BOUNDS WITHOUT, AND MAYBE THERE'D BE A DIFFERENT WAY TO DO THIS AND TO PUNISH THOSE WHO HAVE NOT BEEN HAD ANY PROBLEMS. THANK YOU. WELL, UH, TO KIND OF ELABORATE ON THAT, IT'S, IT'S VERY TOUGH ENFORCEMENT, UH, ASPECT OF IT FROM THE LEGAL STANDPOINT. IT'S, IT'S VERY TOUGH TO GO AFTER ONE PERSON OR ANOTHER. AND ACTUALLY THE ENFORCEMENT SHOULD COME FROM PEOPLE LIKE AIRBNB OR TRIBO. THEY SHOULD BE ONE ENFORCING THEIR RULES ON THESE BAD ACTORS. UH, YOU, YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING, YOU CONVERTED YOUR GARAGES. NOW IS THAT A SEPARATE GARAGE OR IS THAT A SEPARATE BUILDING OR IS IT ATTACHED TO THE HOUSE? IT WAS A SEPARATE. OKAY, GOOD. 'CAUSE WE RAISED IT, IT KEEPS YOU WITHIN THE ORDINANCE. GOT A LOFT. WE GOT A KITCHEN, WE GOT A BATHROOM. WE PUT A LOT OF MONEY IN IT. YEAH. AND, UH, THIS IS, THIS IS AFFECTING US GREATLY. IN FACT, ALL OUR MONEY. SO THERE YOU ARE. I WAS JUST MAKING SURE YOU'RE COVERED UNDER THE ORDINANCE. 'CAUSE ONE CLAUSE IN THE ORDINANCE STATES STATES THAT ROOMS CAN'T BE RENTED OUT. THE WHOLE BUILDING DOES. AND SO YOU'VE GOT A SEPARATE GARAGE AND IT'S RENTED OUT. WE'VE GOT A SEPARATE BUILDING AND SEPARATE BEDROOM EXIT ENTRANCE AND, UH, OKAY. VERY QUIET, VERY PEACEFUL. GOOD TO GO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. TEXT THE BILLIONAIRE TEXT, SCOTT ROBERTS, MIKE WELLMAN. SCOTT ROBERTS HOLDS A DOCUMENT IN HIS RIGHT HAND, UH, ALBERTA EDWARDS, SCOTT ROBERTS GESTURES. MAYBE THERE WAS A LADY WHO CAME UP FOR YOU. THAT'S ALL THE SPEAKER CARDS I HAVE. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO COME ON DOWN? SCOTT ROBERTS SMILES. JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE. AND, HELLO, I'M ROXANNE AND I'M AT 33 17 RIDGEDALE IN GARLAND. MM-HMM . I'M IN DISTRICT FIVE, AND I'M VERY EXCITED AND HAPPY THAT GARLAND IS GOING TO RESTRICT, UH, THAT YOU CAN CANNOT PUT IN NEW SHORT TERM RENTALS IN THE RESIDENTIAL LITTLE NEIGHBORHOODS. I LIVE IN ONE OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS, RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, AND THE SHORT TERM RENTAL HAS BEEN A PROBLEM. AND SO I'M HAPPY THAT YOU'RE DOING IT, AND I JUST WANNA PRAISE YOU FOR THAT. WELL, I THINK THAT PROBABLY GOES TO COUNCIL, NOT TO US . WELL, AND ALSO, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT IF YOU ARE, THAT THERE IS A GRANDFATHER CLAUSE. SO IF YOU ALREADY HAVE A SHORT TERM RENTAL AND A RESIDENTIAL AREA, YOU CAN KEEP IT. I THINK THAT'S FAIR. WHAT I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND IS THIS, IF YOU SELL YOUR HOUSE AND YOU HAVE A SHORT TERM RENTAL PERMIT, THAT IT CAN BE TRANSFERRED ON TO THE NEXT SELLER, I MEAN, TO THE NEXT BUYER. I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND THAT. I, I THINK THAT THE IDEA IS TO GET IT OUT OF THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS. SO I DON'T KNOW WHY WE SHOULD BE CONTINUING IT ON THERE. THERE ARE PROBABLY SOME LEGAL ASPECTS TO THAT, WHICH I, I CAN'T ADDRESS. SO, AND IT IS LIMITED TIMEFRAME TOO. THE INTENTION WAS TO HELP ADDRESS ANY ARGUMENT ANY CURRENT OWNER MAY HAVE REGARDING, HEY, IF I DON'T, IF I CAN'T CONTINUE THE USE, THEN IT MAY BURDEN MY EXISTING USE, MY VALUE, MY INABILITY. SO FROM THAT ASPECT, WE WANTED TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT WILL HELP, UM, KIND OF ADDRESS THAT ARGUMENT. THAT WAS THE REASON THE DIRECTOR AND CHAIRMAN SIT AT THE BASE. I LIKE IT ALL, EXCEPT FOR THAT PART. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR, SO WE'RE 90% THERE FOR YOU. OKAY. NABIL INNU, ADJUST HER MASK. ANYBODY ELSE IN THE ARTIST WISH TO ADDRESS THIS, UH, ITEM ON THE AGENDA, THE SPEAKER LOOKS TOWARDS THE COMMISSION. AMEN. THE PLANNING DIRECTOR AND CHAIRMAN SIT AT THE DAY SAYS A RESIDENT REVIEWS DOCUMENTS AT THE PODIUM. GOOD. RICHARD FITZPATRICK [01:20:01] REPRESENT THEN PROPERTY 1-806-EASTERN HILLS DRIVE. SO, YOU KNOW, I WILL SAY THAT EACH AND EVERY QUARTER I GET A LETTER FROM THE CITY OF GARLAND ON HOTEL OCCUPANT TAX. I RETURN IT WITH A BIG FAT CHECK EACH AND EVERY QUARTER. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE GONNA KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS, BUT WE KNOW WHAT TYPE OF REVENUE, UH, OR SHORT-TERM RENTALS BRING. NOW YOU DON'T, BUT WOULDN'T, WOULDN'T THAT KIND OF BE AN IMPORTANT FACTOR TO KNOW, TO KNOW THE SPEAKER SHIFT HIS STANCE AT THE PODIUM? NOT FROM A, WHAT, WHAT IF THE REVENUE GOES INTO THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS? NOT FROM A LAND USE PERSPECTIVE. THE LAND USE PROTECTS THE NEIGHBORHOODS, THE RESIDENTIAL CHARACTERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WE DON'T ASSOCIATE THAT WITH ECONOMIC MATTERS NECESSARILY FROM A PLANNING ASPECT. OH, OKAY. BUT OBVIOUSLY, UH, THE COUNCIL WOULD, IN ALL PROBABILITY, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO BRING IT UP TO COUNCIL. OKAY. UM, SO I'M FULLY REGISTERED. OKAY. UH, AND PERMITTED. BUT, UH, I GOTTA IMAGINE THAT THERE'S A SUBSET THAT ISN'T, UM, LET'S PRETEND THAT'S ME. SO NOW I'M HEARING ABOUT, UH, IF I'M PERMITTED, I CAN BE GRANDFATHERED, UH, FUTURE GOING THE SPEAKER GESTURES TOWARD THE DAYS. IS THERE, UH, UH, IS THERE AN EXPECTATION OR MAYBE, UH, UH, A PROBABILITY THAT PEOPLE WILL COME OUT OF THE WOODWORKS THEN AND THEN HAVE A MAD RUSH TO THEN PERMIT THEIR PROPERTIES? AND IS THERE NO, IS GOT A FEEL FOR THAT. AND CAN, CAN CAN SOMEBODY DO THAT IF, UH, IF THEY GET UNDER, UH, THE DEADLINE? AND ARE WE SAYING THE DEADLINE IS OCTOBER 20TH? THAT'S WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE. AND, UH, I'VE ASKED THAT QUESTION. I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU THOUGH. NABIL AND THE ADJUSTER FACE MASK. OKAY. THAT'S ALL I GOT. THANKS. AND I'M CERTAIN, AS LONG AS YOU KEEP UP AND KEEP RENTING, THE CITY WILL TAKE YOUR CHECK. YEAH. YOU KNOW WHAT? THE SPEAKER HOLD HIS NOTES AT THE PODIUM IN THEORY. UH, THAT SOUNDS GOOD. BUT WHAT I WORRY ABOUT IS, WILL THEY, YOU KNOW, HE HOLDS A BLACK REMOTE IN HIS HAND, THE PERMITTED PROCESS. UH, AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE DOING EVERYTHING RIGHT, BUT IF THERE'S A DEMAND OR AN UPROAR TO OUTLAW THESE, HE GLANCES DOWN AT HIS PAPERS AS A RUN, UH, END AROUND, UH, THEY USE THE, THE PERMITTING PROCESS TO CLAMP DOWN ON THE SHORT TERM RENTAL PROCESS. I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT ANYTHING. WELL, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WOULD NECESSARILY BROADCAST THAT OR NOT, BUT, UH, BUT HOPEFULLY EVERYONE ACTS IN, UH, GOOD FAITH, SO THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE CARE TO SPEAK ON THIS CASE? ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONERS. UH, COMMISSIONER MIRANDA. AND THEN THE MEETING ROOM HAS A GRAY WALL. YES. I GOT A QUICK QUESTION, I GUESS FOR STAFF. AND I GUESS JUST TO CONFIRM, SO ESSENTIALLY WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT COMPLETELY GETTING RID OF RIGHT? UH, SHORT TERM RENTALS, THEY CAN STILL BE LOUD AND LIGHT AND HEAVY. UH, DISTRICTS TEXT PATRICK A BE, UH, MAINLY IT'S THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS, CORRECT? RIGHT. IT'S LIKE THEY WILL NOT BE ALLOWED BY RIGHT. BUT JUST, I'M JUST CURIOUS. SO LIKE, BUT LET'S SAY IF SOMEBODY DOES WANT TO, THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH LIKE THE PROCESS LIKE WE SEE RIGHT NOW OF LIKE CHANGING OR THEY'RE SIMPLY NOT ALLOWED. SO THAT'S WHAT I WANTED. CORRECT. COMMISSIONER LUCITA. YES. I THINK, UM, JUST COMMENTS. I THINK, UM, THE DIRECTOR, AS THE DIRECTOR SAID AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS CONVERSATION, I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THOSE CASES WHERE TECHNOLOGY HAS OUTPACED, YOU KNOW, THAT THE DIGITAL HOSTING PLATFORMS HAS OUTPACED, UM, OUR REGULATIONS AND ORDINANCES. SO I DO EXPRESS APPRECIATION TO CITY ATTORNEY ENGLAND, UH, AND TO STAFF. UM, I THINK, UM, FOR THE PROPOSAL OF THE AMENDMENT AND ALSO THE DUE DILIGENCE THAT THE STAFF HAS DONE, UH, TO BRING THAT TO THE COMMISSION, I DO FEEL IT'S THE RIGHT DIRECTION, UM, TO PRESERVE THE CHARACTER AND INTEGRITY OF GARLAND'S NEIGHBORHOODS. UM, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK ANOTHER PIECE OF THAT IS JUST CONSIDERING THAT WE ARE A BUILT OUT CITY. WE DON'T HAVE THE LUXURY THAT SOME OTHER NEIGHBORING CITIES HAVE OF JUST ADDING MORE, UH, SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS. UM, NEIGHBORS ARE, ARE THE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE FOR RESIDENTS. AND, UM, SO I, THE PROJECTION SCREEN IS ON THE WALL. I DO SUPPORT THIS PROPOSAL. COMMISSIONER DALTON, UH, I SEE YOU WANNA MAKE A MOTION? COMMISSIONER DUCKWORTH WANTS TO CHIME IN. SHALL I LET HIM FIRST? YEAH. NABIL ANDER REST HER HAND. PARDON? SCOTT LOOKS AT NABIL ANDER, UH, COMM COMMISSIONER DUCKWORTH. OH, YOU DIDN'T CLICK THE MOTION BUTTON. OKAY. COMMISSIONER, [01:25:01] UH, DUCKWORTH, YOU'RE GOOD TO GO. I, I JUST WANNA COMMENT SOME OF OUR BISHOPS, THE GENTLEMAN OVER HERE WITH THE, WITH THE RENTAL BEHIND, UH, SOMETIMES IT'S HARD TO DEVELOP THESE THINGS, AND I KNOW OUR COUNCIL HAS PUT, UH, NUMEROUS AMOUNTS OF TIME INTO PUTTING THIS TOGETHER, AND IT'S SOMETIMES HARD TO GET A HUNDRED PERCENT SATISFYING EVERYONE. UH, SO I THINK THAT IT, THAT WE SHOULD MOVE THIS FORWARD. I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF MOVING THIS FORWARD TO COUNCIL BECAUSE I THINK, UH, THEY'VE HEARD A LOT OF TESTIMONY, DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH, UH, AND IT'S ALWAYS DIFFICULT TO FERRET OUT THE, THE, UH, THE BAD GUY SOMETIME WITHOUT IT AFFECTING THOSE OF US THAT DO STOP AT STOP SIGNS AND RED LIGHTS. UH, SO, UH, I, I WANNA BE SUPPORTIVE OF MOVING THIS FORWARD TO COUNCIL, AND I THINK IT'LL BE GOOD FOR OUR CITY AND OUR CITIZENS AND SO MANY OF WHO, WHICH, UH, DO OPERATE GOOD OPERATIONS. BUT THE, THE ONES THAT DO OPERATE THE BAD ONES, IT'S REALLY BAD FOR EVERYBODY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS PROTECT, PROTECT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, WHICH IS, THAT'S WHY THEY'RE CALLED NEIGHBORHOODS. IF, IF THEY WANTED TO BE A SHORT TERM RENTAL, MAYBE WE SHOULD, SOMEBODY SHOULD BUILD A SET OF HOUSES OUT HERE AND A A HUNDRED HOMES AND SELL 'EM AS SHORT TERM RENTAL HOMES AND LET PEOPLE GET AFTER IT. SO THAT WOULD TAKE A DIFFERENT, THAT'S A DIFFERENT WILD OUT YONDER TYPE DEAL. BUT I THINK THE IDEA IS TO GET THESE THINGS, UH, MORE UNDER CONTROL SO THAT OUR FINE PEOPLE OF THIS CITY DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE, THE PARTYING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT RAIDS AND STUFF THAT GO ON. SO, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. ANYBODY CARE TO MAKE A MOTION? UH, COMMISSIONER DALTON. AND JUST A SECOND. THERE WE GO. DID I BEAT HIM? TEXT? THANK YOU. YEAH. CLOSE. MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, FORWARD THIS TO COUNSEL WITH OUR RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL, NABIL AND THERE, AND SCOTT ROBERTS AT THE DESK. OKAY. UH, COMMISSIONER LUCITA, I THINK, UM, BEFORE WE, UH, LET ME GET, UH, LET ME CONFIRM THE SECOND FIRST AND THEN WE'LL GO INTO DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER MIRANDA, IS THAT THE MOTION YOU WISH TO, UH, SECOND? THAT IS CORRECT. I SECOND THE MOTION OF OUR APPROVAL TO CITY COUNCIL. SORRY, I HAD TO DO THAT. OKAY. OF COURSE. UM, I THINK BEFORE WE GO TO A VOTE, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO, UM, THE PROPOSAL. AND THAT IS THE SECTION I, AND THIS WAS THE, THE POINT THAT, UM, THAT YOU, YOU BROUGHT UP, UM, ABOUT THE ABILITY TO RESELL AND TRANSFER THAT ESSENTIALLY LAND USE AN AMERICAN FLAG STANDS ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE ROOM. SO THAT ONE I, I DON'T LOVE. I THINK, YOU KNOW, IF THE INTENT IS TO KEEP SHORT-TERM RENTALS OUT OF RESIDENTIAL AREAS, SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL AREAS, THEN WHY WOULD WE ALLOW ESSENTIALLY A SINGLE FAMILY HOMEOWNER TO ADVERTISE AND SELL THEIR PROPERTY AS A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS? UM, SO IF, IF WE COULD, I WOULD PREFER TO TAKE OUT, UM, UNDER SECTION I TWO, THROUGH MEETING ROOM WITH A CURVED DESK SEVEN TEXT KRISTEN LUCCI, AND THEN PROPOSE THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE REST OF THE PROPOSAL. LARGE PROJECTION SCREENS SHOW CITY LOGO. SO, UH, UNDER I, EXISTING PERMITTED STR, WE HAVE ONE WHICH IS JUST ADDRESSING THE CURRENT SHORT TERM RENTALS, LAWFULLY OPERATING, AND THEN TWO THROUGH TEXT, NABIL ANDER, SCOTT ROBERTS SEVEN IS WHERE IT'S, UM, REALLY TALKING ABOUT THAT 12, UM, MONTH WINDOW FOR TRANSFERRING. SO THE PROPOSAL IS TO TAKE ALL OF THAT OUT. OKAY. YES, MA'AM. SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT I NABIL AND THE ARE POLLS OF PER MASK. OKAY. I'LL ASK THE MAKER THE MOTION IF, UH, HE'S WILLING TO ACCEPT THAT. OR IF WE TAKE A VOTE ON THIS SEPARATE AMENDMENT, THE MEETING DESK HAS A WOODEN FINISH, OR IF THERE'S MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT, I'M SORRY, WHAT? OH, OKAY. THERE, WE DIDN'T WANNA HEAR FROM YOU ANYHOW. I COULD YELL REALLY LOUD IF YOU WANT ME TO. MEETING DAY'S, NAMEPLATES, UM, I UNDERSTAND THE REASONING FOR THE WORDING, AND THAT IS ONE OF THE CITIZENS THAT CAME FORWARD HAS SPENT AN APPRECIABLE AMOUNT OF MONEY GETTING A FACILITY IN A POSITION TO BE RENTED AS A SINGLE RENTAL. AND IF WE TAKE THIS AWAY, IT PREVENTS SOMEONE LIKE THEM FROM AT LEAST RECOVERING THE EXPENSES THEY HAVE PLACED INTO IT. SO I, I, AT THIS POINT, I CAN'T SUPPORT THAT AMENDMENT. I'M SORRY. ARE YOU THINKING THAT EXISTING PEOPLE WOULD LOSE THEIR ABILITY TO RENT? OKAY. THE EXISTING PEOPLE MIGHT HAVE MORE MONEY INVESTED IN THE PROPERTY THAN THEY CAN SELL IF IT CANNOT CONTINUE AS A RENTAL. RIGHT. UH, [01:30:01] I BELIEVE YOUR PROPOSAL IS TO KEEP THE ABILITY TO MAINTAIN THE SHORT TERM RENTAL, BUT DENY THE OPPORTUNITY TO SELL AND TRANSFER. RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING WITH IT. OKAY. I JUST WANTED, THE PERSON CURRENTLY OWNS THE PROPERTY. WE CHANGED THE ORDINANCE AND THEY GO, WELL, I'VE GOT ALL THIS MONEY. AND HE WAS AN OLDER GENTLEMAN. HE MAY HAVE MORE MONEY IN IT THAN HE'S GOING TO RECOVER IF HE CANNOT SELL IT AS A RENTAL PROPERTY AT THIS POINT AND WOULD LOSE MONEY. OKAY. WHERE THE BUYER KNOWS THEY CAN'T TRANSFER. OKAY. IT, IT PUTS SOMEONE IN THE MIDDLE OF SOMETHING THAT THEY WEREN'T PREPARED FOR. GOT IT. SO THE BAKER OF THE MOTION DOES NOT, UH, AGREE WITH THE AMENDMENT. UH, COMMISSIONER ABEL, MY THOUGHT PROCESS ON THAT IS, DOES THAT PORTION SAY HIS GARAGE THEN BECOME AN A DU, WHICH DOES ADD VALUE AS IT WOULD BE AN A DU THAT A FAMILY MEMBER OR OTHER PERSON COULD USE FOR GENERATIONAL HOUSING? WOULDN'T HE HAVE TO COME BACK TO, UH, MAKE IT MM-HMM . YES. SAY THAT CREATES ANOTHER BURDEN ON THAT. OKAY. UH, COMMISSIONER ELTO, WOULD YOU WANNA MAKE YOUR, UH, SEE WHERE WE ARE? DO YOU WANNA MAKE A MOTION TO THAT EFFECT? THAT WOULD BE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION. AND IF THAT FAILS, WE GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION. HEY, WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING DEEP. OH, I SEE WHAT WE'RE GETTING A LAYER DEEP IN THE ROBERTS RULES. SORRY. YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD JUST POINT OUT, I'M SORRY. LET ME GET YOU GOING THERE. ALRIGHTYY. I THINK ONE THING TO POINT OUT TOO IS, IS LOOKING AT WHAT OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE, UM, THERE'S NOT REALLY A PRECEDENT FOR ALLOWING THAT TRANSFER. UM, IN FACT, MOST CITIES, IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PERMIT CAN'T TRANSFER IN THE, THE LAND USE OR THE TEXT. EDGAR MIRANDA PROPERTY CAN'T TRANSFER AS WELL. BUT YES, I, I WOULD BE WILLING TO MAKE A MOTION. OKAY. ALL RIGHTY. UH, I'M GONNA CLEAR THE MOTIONS FOR NOW AND GO AHEAD AND HIT THE MOTION BUTTON. OKAY. THERE'S, UH, A MOTION THE PLANNING DIRECTOR RAISES HER HAND. PARDON? WELL, I DON'T HAVE CALL. JUST A SECOND. UH, WE HAVEN'T OFFICIALLY CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING YET. IT HAS BEEN POINTED OUT TO ME. SO IF YOU, UH, YOU'VE ALREADY SPOKEN RIGHT? NABIL AND, AND SCOTT ROBERTS FACE THE PODIUM. WE, WE USUALLY DON'T DO THIS, BUT WE'LL LET YOU HAVE ANOTHER SHOT AND THEN, UH, CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AFTER THIS. SCOTT ROBERTS GLANCES TOWARD THE SPEAKER AT THE PODIUM. SO THE GENTLEMAN WHO SPOKE BEFORE WHO HAD PUT A LOT OF MONEY INTO HIS GARAGE HAVE A SHORT TERM RENTAL PLUS I, I, I WAS UNDER THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE WHOLE PROPERTY HAD TO BE A SHORT TERM RENTAL SPEAKER OF THE PODIUM. LET YOUR WHOLE BACKGROUND, BUT YOU COULDN'T JUST DO A PART, THE SPEAKER GESTURES WHILE AT THE PODIUM. THAT IS, BUT, BUT WHAT I WANNA SAY IS, YES, I UNDERSTAND THAT HE'S INVESTED ALL OF THIS MONEY. HE ACTS LIKE HE WANTS TO STAY THERE AND CONTINUE THE REVENUE, BUT IF HE DID HAVE TO SELL, I MEAN, IT COULD BE A LONG-TERM RENTAL, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT HE CAN'T, CAN'T HAVE THAT AND SELL THAT AS A RENTAL. IT WOULDN'T JUST NOT BE A SHORT TERM RENTAL, BUT HE COULD SELL IT WELL, UH, LONG TIME. THERE IS A GRAY AREA IN THE LAW 'CAUSE IT SAYS THE ENTIRE DWELLING UNIT MUST BE RENTED TO ONE BOOKING PARTY. NOW THAT GARAGE IS A SEPARATE BUILDING AND THAT IS BEYOND MY LEGAL ABILITY TO DETERMINE IF THAT'S A DWELLING UNIT OR NOT. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'D HAVE TO BE FLESHED OUT. WELL, THE, OR THE ORDINANCE IS SET UP TO ALLOW CONTINUED USE OF CURRENT LEGAL RENTAL. SO IF HE'S LEGALLY RENTING IT RIGHT NOW, HE'LL BE ABLE TO LEGALLY RENT IT INTO THE FUTURE. REGARDLESS OF THE DEFINITION OF WHETHER AN A DU CAN BE RENTED SEPARATELY OR NOT IN THE FUTURE, AT THE TIME THAT THIS ORDINANCE GOES INTO EFFECT, SHOULD IT GO INTO EFFECT, UH, ANYBODY WHO IS CURRENTLY LEGALLY RENTING A UNIT WITH A PERMIT WILL BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING DOWN. UH, I'LL ASK FOR A MOTION TO CLOSE A PUBLIC HEARING CURVE DESK BEFORE WALL WAS CITY LOGOS. I CLEAR THE MOTIONS AGAIN. SORRY. UM, MOTION BY COMMISSIONER ABEL TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND COMMISSIONER MIRANDA SECOND. I SECOND THAT MOTION. OKAY. MOTION IS TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. SCOTT ROBERTS TOUCHES JIM, PLEASE VOTE. TEXT SCOTT ROBERTS CHAIRMAN. AND THAT PASSAGE UNANIMOUSLY. [01:35:01] AND THE VOTING RESULTS GRAPHIC SHOWS SEVEN YES. ZERO NO. AND TWO ABSTENTIONS. SCOTT ROBERTS SITS AT THE BASE LOOKING DOWN, WAITING ON ELECTRONICS HERE FOLKS, WE GOT LITTLE BUTTONS WE HAVE TO PUSH. AND THIS EAR OF INSTANT ELECTRONICS, IT TAKES TIME TO DO THAT. THERE WE GO. GO AHEAD. ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER LUCITA. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AMENDMENT, UH, WITH ONE EXCEPTION AND THAT IS TO EXCLUDE UNDER SECTION I, UH, ITEMS TWO THROUGH SEVEN. TEXT BOB DUCKWORTH. TWO THROUGH THE COMMISSIONERS REMAIN SEATED AT THE DAYS SEVEN. ALRIGHT, LET ME DOUBLE CHECK THAT ONE. OKAY. UH, WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS, UH, AMENDED ZONING ORDINANCE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF SECTION I TWO THROUGH SEVEN. CHAIRMAN ROBERTS ADJUSTS PAPERS ON HIS DESK. IS THERE A SECOND ON THE MOTION? HE LOOKS TO HIS LEFT SECOND ON THE MOTION. HE TURNS TO FACE THE FRONT. SORRY. MOTION DIES FOR LACK OF A SECOND. HE ADJUSTS HIS CLASPED HANDS. COMMISSIONER DALTON, IF YOU WANTED TO GO BACK TO YOUR, ALRIGHTY. UH, COMMISSIONER DALTON, I RECOMMEND WE MOVE THIS TO CITY COUNCIL WITH OUR RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL IS WRITTEN TEXT WAYNE BOLDEN. AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MIRANDA. I, I SECOND THE MOTION TO APPROVE THIS AMENDMENT AS WRITTEN OVER TO CITY COUNCIL. OKAY. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? I, I'LL JUST SAY I'VE KNOWN BRIAN ENGLAND QUITE A WHILE AND I KNOW HE WRITES THINGS WITH PURPOSE AND THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME GOOD REASONING FOR THE SECTION HE PUT IN. AND I'M GONNA TRUST HIM ON THIS ONE. ROBERT SMILES AT HIS DESK. DON'T TELL HIM I SAID THAT. . OKAY. ALL RIGHT. RECORD. OKAY. ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE. I, I WON'T SAY WHAT HE, ALL RIGHTY. THANK YOU ALRIGHTYY. WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND. SEE NO DISCUSSION. PLEASE VOTE. CHAIRMAN ROBERTS SITS AT THE BASE OCCASIONALLY SHIFTING HIS FOCUS FROM THE DOCUMENTS BEFORE HIM. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. THAT'LL GO ON TO CONSULT OCTOBER 20TH. ALRIGHTY. THAT WAS THE LAST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS 8 0 7. SO UNTIL OUR MEETING OF OCTOBER 12TH, WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.