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WHAT ABOUT BEYOND, OH, I LOST MY THING TO HERE.

WELL, GOOD EVENING.

AND WELCOME TO THE MONDAY, JULY 5TH, 2021 WORK SESSION FOR THE GARLAND CITY COUNCIL.

UH, JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK, UH, HOUSEKEEPING THINGS.

UH, THIS IS OUR FIRST IN-PERSON MEETING IN, UH, ALMOST A YEAR AND A HALF.

UH, SO WE, UH, THIS IS, THIS IS OLD AND NEW TO US ALL AT THE SAME TIME.

UM, WE DO HAVE, UH, SOME NEW TECHNOLOGY AND SOME NEW, UH, SOME NEW GADGETS, IF YOU WILL.

UM, BUT, UM, HOPEFULLY, UH, WE'VE, WE'VE DONE ENOUGH TESTING AND RUN THROUGHS THAT, THAT EVERYTHING WILL RUN SMOOTHLY TONIGHT.

UH, BUT PLEASE BE PATIENT.

UM, IF WE DO, UH, IF WE DO HAVE SOME SORT OF A TECHNICAL ISSUE COME UP, UH, AND SPEAKING OF THAT, WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE A NEW SYSTEM FOR, UH, FOR SPEAKERS.

UH, WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE AWAY FROM THE YELLOW SPEAKER CARDS.

WE HAVE THE KIOSKS OUT FRONT, WHICH, UH, WE DON'T NEED TO SEE EVENING, BUT, UH, WE WILL ALSO, UH, EVEN THOUGH WE ARE MEETING IN PERSON, WE ARE STILL ALLOWING FOR, UH, ZOOM SPEAKERS, UH, TO BE INVOLVED IN OUR MEETINGS AS WELL.

AND SO, UH, WE'VE KIND OF HAD TO CHANGE UP OUR PROCEDURES A LITTLE BIT AND CITY SECRETARY.

I DON'T THINK YOUR MIKE'S ON THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK IS GIVEN TO PROVIDE TESTIMONY RATHER THAN TO QUESTION THE CITY COUNCIL OR STAFF.

THE CHAIR MAY CALL A SPEAKER OUT OF ORDER.

IF THE SPEAKER PRESENTS QUESTIONS OR REQUESTS FOR INFORMATION THAT WILL UNDULY DELAY THE TRANSACTION OF BUSINESS AT THE MEETING, SPEAKERS APPEARING IN THE CHAMBER WILL SPEAK FIRST AND THE VIRTUAL SPEAKERS WILL FOLLOW SPEAKERS SHALL BE ALLOWED TO SPEAK ON A FIRST COME FIRST TO SPEAK BASIS AS DETERMINED BY THE ORDER IN WHICH THE CITY SECRETARY RECEIVES THE SPEAKERS INFORMATION FOR VIRTUAL SPEAKERS.

PLEASE USE THE RAISE YOUR HAND FEATURE ON ZOOM.

IF YOU ARE DIALING IN FOR AUDIO, YOU MAY PRESS STAR NINE IN ORDER TO BE RECOGNIZED BY THE MODERATOR.

ONCE THE LINE IS OPEN, THE SPEAKER CAN PRESS STAR SIX TO UNMUTE.

SPEAKERS WILL BE ALLOWED THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

WHEN THE PODIUM BUZZER SOUNDS, THE SPEAKER MUST END THEIR COMMENTS.

VIRTUAL SPEAKERS WILL BE INFORMED BY THE CLERK WHEN THEIR TIME HAS ELAPSED.

VERY GOOD.

AND, UH, ALSO A LITTLE BIT OF A CHANGE TO OUR PROCEDURE.

UH, THE CITY SECRETARY, UH, WILL ANNOUNCE, UH, THE, THE SPEAKERS, UM, RATHER THAN MYSELF.

UH, SO, UH, THAT WILL BE SOMETHING WE WILL USE MOVING FORWARD WITH US AND WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS WELL.

SO ALL THAT BEING SAID, UH, LET'S, UH, LET'S GET INTO OUR AGENDA.

FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT IS PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR WORK SESSION ITEMS. I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THAT, BUT I WILL SAY, ASK IF THERE'S ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON WORK SESSION, AGENDA ITEMS. SO YOU CAN, YOU, WE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH ITEM

[2. Consider the Consent Agenda]

TO CONSIDER THE CONSENT AGENDA.

THIS WILL BE FOR TOMORROW NIGHT.

UH, I HAVE NOT SEEN OR HEARD OF ANY REQUESTS TO HAVE ANY ITEMS PULLED, UH, AND CONSIDERED SEPARATELY, BUT OBVIOUSLY, UH, IF YOU DO HAVE SOMETHING THAT COMES UP BEFORE THEN, UH, IF YOU CAN GIVE US A HEADS UP IN THAT WAY, WE CAN MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE APPROPRIATE STAFF HERE TO ADDRESS IT.

AND THAT WILL MOVE US

[3. Written Briefing(s):]

TO ITEM THREE WRITTEN BRIEFINGS ITEM THREE, A 2021 CIP BUDGET AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE.

ALL RIGHT.

AND THAT IS ALL THE WRITTEN BRIEFINGS.

NEXT IS OUR VERBAL BRIEFINGS

[4A. Windsurf Bay Park ]

ITEM FOR A WINDSURF BAY PARK.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? NO, SIR.

GIVE THAT A SHOT.

CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? THERE WE GO.

OKAY.

ALL I'VE GOT TO DO IS PUSH THE RIGHT BUTTON.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, UM, UH, AS MOST OF YOU ARE AWARE OF, WE'VE HAD SOME CHALLENGES WITH WIND SURF BAY PARK.

WE'VE HAD SOME, I KNOW WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF DISCUSSIONS OVER THE PAST MANY YEARS AND INCLUDING RECENTLY, BUT WE'VE HAD SOME RECENT CHALLENGES IN THE PAST FEW WEEKS.

SO I KNOW CHIEF BRIAN WITH POLICE, CHIEF LEE WITH FIRE, AND THEN ANDY HAS HER AND MATT AND PARKS HAVE BEEN WORKING TOGETHER, UH, TO, UH, PUT TOGETHER A PRESENTATION FOR YOU TONIGHT.

SO CHIEF BRIAN IS GOING TO COME UP AND DO THE PRESENTATION, BUT THEN OF COURSE WE HAVE ALL THOSE STAFF MEMBERS HERE IN CASE YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

VERY GOOD,

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GOOD EVENING COUNCIL, GOOD EVENING.

AND WE'LL SAY THAT WHEN I PUT THIS PRESENTATION TOGETHER AND SAVED IT TO MY COMPUTER, IT WAS KIND OF DISHEARTENING TO SEE FOUR OTHER PRESENTATIONS TITLED WINDSOR PARK CITY COUNCIL.

BUT, UH, IT DID REMIND ME OF WHAT WE HAVE DONE TO COME UP TO TO TODAY.

AND JUST A PART OF OUR NEW EQUIPMENT COUNCIL.

IF YOU GO TO PRESENTATION, YOU WILL HAVE THE PRESENTATION ON THE MONITOR IN FRONT OF YOU.

AND I KNOW WE'VE, I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS AND IT'S NEW, BUT HOPEFULLY WE ALL GET TO THAT SCREEN.

GO AHEAD.

READY? YES, SIR.

UH, SO I'M GOING TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT THREE DIFFERENT STEPS HERE.

ONE I'M GOING TO, I KNOW WE HAVE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS SINCE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WHEN SIR PARK.

SO I'M GOING TO GIVE A OVERVIEW OF THE HISTORY, UH, OF THE PROBLEMS WE'VE SEEN AT WINDSOR PARK.

AND THEN I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT OUR CURRENT PLAN, OUR CURRENT PLAN FOR THIS SUMMER AND OUR CURRENT PLAN THAT, UH, IS TO GO INTO EFFECT NEXT SUMMER.

AND I'LL GO AHEAD AND TELL YOU THAT WE'VE SEEN CHANGES AT WINDSOR PARK, AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THOSE, BUT WHY I THINK OUR CURRENT PLAN THIS SUMMER AND OUR PLAN NEXT SUMMER IS NOT GOING TO WORK.

WE HAVE OTHER ISSUES THAT HAVE COME UP AND THEN FINALLY, I'LL TALK ABOUT MY RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PART, A SO GO OVER AND OVER THE HISTORY.

UH, IT WAS 2016 WHEN WE STARTED SEEING ISSUES AT THE PARK.

UM, THIS WAS ABOUT THE TIME THAT COINCIDES WITH OTHER PARKS AND OTHER LOCATIONS CLOSING ACROSS THE LAKE.

UH, THE ONE BIG PARK IN A ROCK WALL THAT HAS THAT NEW DEVELOPED CLOSE, AND THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER PLACES THAT CLOSED.

AND ONCE OUR PARK WAS KIND OF AS A SECLUDED SECRET LOCATION, WELL, THAT WORD GOT OUT.

SO IN 2016 IS WHEN WE REALLY STARTED SEEING THE CROWD SHOW UP.

AND, UH, JULY 4TH, 2016, WE'RE ESTIMATING, WE HAD ABOUT 5,000 PEOPLE INSIDE THE PARK.

NOW WE STAFF THAT PARK AS IF WE WOULD HAVE STAFFED A SPECIAL EVENT.

SO WE HAD 14 OFFICERS INSIDE THE PARK.

WE HAD 10, UH, PARK STAFF, WORKING TRAFFIC AND WORKING PARKING.

AND THEN WE HAD ADDITIONAL STAFF OUTSIDE OF THE PARK, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, DEALING WITH THE TRAFFIC ISSUES, UH, 2017, WE SAW SIMILAR NUMBERS.

UM, WE SAW ANOTHER 5,000 PEOPLE IN 2017.

AND AGAIN, WE PUT A LOT OF RESOURCES OUT OF THE PARK ON JULY 4TH, 2017 MEMORIAL DAY 2018 IS WHEN WE REALLY SAW NUMBERS EXPLODE.

NOW JULY 4TH IS USUALLY OUR BUSIEST, UM, OUR BUSIEST DAY DURING THE SUMMER.

AND IT'S USUALLY LATER IN THE SUMMER THAT WE SEE THE NUMBERS INCREASE, BUT MEMORIAL DAY 2018, WE SAW APPROXIMATELY 8,000 PEOPLE IN THE PARK AND IT JUST OVERWHELMED US.

UM, THAT PARK IS NOT BUILT FOR 2,500 PEOPLE, MUCH LESS 8,000 PEOPLE.

AND SO NOT ONLY DID OVERWHELM THE PARKING INSIDE THE PARK, WHICH IS DESIGNED TO PARK 500 VEHICLES.

UM, IT OVERWHELMED THE FILM, THE, THE FIELD, UM, THAT WE HAD PEOPLE PARKING IN.

IT OVERWHELMED THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

UH, WE HAD PEOPLE PARKING AS FAR AS ON THE ROAD AND THE, UM, THE SERVICE ROAD AND, AND LUGGING GRILLS AND LOGGING COOLERS A MILE OR LONGER TO GET INTO THE PARK.

SO IT'S JUST, UM, WE WERE EXPECTING AT THAT POINT, CLOSE TO 10,000 PEOPLE ON JULY 4TH, 2018.

AND SO THE CITY, UH, CLOSED APART, UM, UH, WITH A STRONG ENCOURAGEMENT FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

IT JUST, WE HAD TO COME UP WITH A BETTER PLAN, 10,000 PEOPLE IN THAT PARK IS JUST TOO MANY PEOPLE.

AND SO FOLLOWING THAT, UH, 2018 INTO THE SEASON OF 2019, UH, WE INTRODUCED THE CITY ORDINANCE THAT ALLOWED THE POLICE CHIEF TO CLOSE APART ONCE THE PART HIT, UH, 2,500 PEOPLE.

AND SO I'LL SHOW YOU A COUPLE OF SLIDES HERE.

UM, THIS SLIDE, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT 8,000 PEOPLE LOOK LIKE AT WINDSOR PARK, UM, THE SHORELINE IS COMPLETELY COVERED IN PEOPLE, THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE INSIDE SWIMMING, UM, JUST HUGE NUMBERS THAT, THAT YEAR, UH, JUST YOUR REMINDER OF OUR ORDINANCE.

AND WE DON'T HAVE, I DON'T HAVE TO DWELL ON THIS UNLESS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, BUT THE ORDINANCE LIMITS THE NUMBER OF TO 2,500 PEOPLE.

AND THEN, UH, IF THE PARKS DEPARTMENT NOTIFIES ME, AND THEN AT THAT POINT, WE CLOSED APART.

SO CONTINUING WITH THE HISTORY OF MEMORIAL DAY, UH, 2019 IS WHEN WE FIRST TESTED THAT, UH, CITY ORDINANCE.

SO WE DID CLOSE THE PARK THAT DAY, UH, WHEN WE REACHED 2,500 PEOPLE.

UM, AND WE HAD A LARGE STAFF OUT THERE, BOTH INSIDE AND OUTSIDE THE PARK, MANAGING THAT CROWD, NOT JUST THE 2,500 PEOPLE THAT SHOWED UP, BUT THE 3000 OR MORE PEOPLE THAT WE TURNED AWAY, UH, JULY 4TH, 2019, SAME THING.

UM, WE MANAGED THE PARK, KEPT THAT AT 2,500, UH, AND THEN MANAGED, UM, THE

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ADDITIONAL PEOPLE THAT SHOWED UP OUTSIDE.

NOW, THIS VIDEO I PULLED, UM, THIS IS AN OLDER VIDEO.

THIS WAS JULY 4TH, 2016.

SO I WANTED TO SHOW COUNSEL JUST REMINDS YOU WHAT 5,000 PEOPLE IT LOOKS LIKE IN THE PARK.

UM, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS.

IF YOU'LL PAY ATTENTION TO ONE IS, IS THE PARKING.

NOW THEY'RE PARKED IN THE FIELD, BUT IF YOU LOOK THEY'RE PARKED ORDERLY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A NICE UNIFORM PARKING, AND I'M GOING TO POINT OUT WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT A LITTLE LATER IN MY PRESENTATION.

BUT ON THIS DAY WE HAD ABOUT 10 STAFF, UH, UM, PARKING PEOPLE INTO THAT FIELD.

UM, IT WAS A NICE DAY.

THERE WAS NO ISSUES WITH THE GRASS.

AND SO I'LL PLAY THIS.

OOPS, I WENT TOO FAR SO AGAIN, THIS IS 2016.

THERE'S ABOUT 5,000 PEOPLE IN THE PARK AT THIS TIME.

THAT'S THE ONE HOUSE THAT'S LOCATED ON THE FAR END OF THE PARK.

UM, WE, WE CREATED AN ADDITIONAL DRIVE THERE AND YOU CAN SEE THE CARS COMING IN.

SO THEY'RE NOT COMING ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE PARK TO GET TO THE PARKING SPACES.

AND YOU SEE THE ROADWAY THERE, HOW CLEAR IT IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S, THERE'S NO PARKING ON THAT ROADWAY.

THERE'S THERE'S VEHICLES TRAVELING, BUT THERE'S NO PARKING.

THERE'S A PART OF THE PARK RIGHT HERE IS WHERE PEOPLE CAN ENTER THE PARK BY WALKING FROM THE SHORELINE, INTO THE WATER.

AS YOU GO DOWN THE PARK AND YOU'LL SEE THE CAMERA PAN, IT GETS STEEPER.

AND WHAT WE SEE IS PEOPLE BRINGING LADDERS.

UM, AND THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THEY CAN ACCESS THE WATER AS THEY CLIMB DOWN THESE LADDERS AND GET INTO THE WATER.

THERE'S A LADDER THERE SO THAT'S JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT 5,000 PEOPLE LOOK LIKE IN THE PARK.

NOW, THIS PART, EVEN THOUGH PEOPLE COME THERE TO SWIM, IT'S NOT DESIGNED AS A SWIMMING PARK.

IT IS JUST HALF HAPPENS TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE WATER.

THERE'S NO DESIGNATING SWIMMING AREAS.

THERE'S NO DESIGNATED BOATING AREAS.

SO WHAT YOU SEE IS INTERMIX OF BOATERS AND SWIMMERS.

UM, ALSO ANOTHER CHALLENGING PART OF THIS IS THE PARK BELONGS TO THE CITY OF GARLAND.

THE WATER BELONGS TO THE CITY OF DALLAS.

SO ANY VIOLATIONS, ANY BOATING VIOLATIONS, ANY SAFETY VIOLATIONS THAT OCCUR IN THE WATER BELONGS TO THE CITY OF DALLAS, ANY ENFORCEMENT IN THE PARK BELONGS TO THE CITY OF GARLAND.

AND SO CONTINUING WITH THE HISTORY, UM, MEMORIAL DAY, UH, 2019 AND JULY 4TH, 2019, WE KEPT THE PARK IT AT 2,500 PEOPLE.

AND AGAIN, WE TREATED THIS AS IT WAS A SPECIAL EVENT.

WE HAD 14 OFFICERS INSIDE A NUMBER OF OFFICERS OUTSIDE, UH, ADDRESSING THE ISSUES.

NOW, UM, THESE ARE THE THREE KIND OF FINALIZED SOLUTIONS THAT WE DISCUSSED.

I THINK IT WAS ABOUT A YEAR AGO.

HOW ARE WE GOING TO HANDLE THIS PART? UH, ONE SOLUTION WAS TO CLOSE APART, UH, AND THAT WAS A BIG DISCUSSION.

IN FACT, WE DID CLOSE THE PARK AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A MINUTE.

IN JULY 4TH, IN 2019 OR 2018, WE CLOSED THE PARK.

UM, SO THAT WAS ONE DISCUSSION.

SUNNYVALE HAS A SIMILAR PART DOWN THE ROAD.

THAT'S A LITTLE BIT SMALLER.

UM, THEY HAVE CLOSED THE PARK, UM, THEIR PART, BUT IT'S NOT NEAR THE SIZE OF THE GARLAND PARK.

UH, THE SECOND TOPIC THAT WE DISCUSSED WAS TO LIMIT WATER ACCESS.

AND AGAIN, THAT ATTRACTION TO THIS PARK IS THE WATER ACCESS.

IF YOU TAKE AWAY THAT ONE FACTOR, THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK, BUT THE FACT THAT YOU CAN COME TO THIS PARK AND GET INTO THE WATER IS WHAT DRAWS PEOPLE, NOT ONLY FROM THE REGION, BUT WE HAD PEOPLE FROM ARKANSAS.

UM, WE HAD PEOPLE FROM OUT OF STATE DRIVING TO HOLD THEIR FAMILY EVENT AT WINTER PARK.

IT'S, UM, IT'S A WAY FOR THEM TO GET INTO THE WATER.

SO ONE DISCUSSION WE HAD WAS TO LIMIT ACCESS TO WHERE IT'S, UH, LIMITS THE POSSIBILITY OF SWIMMING IN THE PARK.

AND THEN THE OTHER OPTION WAS ADMISSION FEES.

NOW, THIS IS THE OPTION WE, UH, ULTIMATELY ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH AT THIS TIME, UM, IS TO CHARGE ADMISSION FEES INTO THE PARK.

UM, NOW, AND I WON'T GET INTO THE DETAILS AND I'VE GOT THE CITY ATTORNEY HERE, IF THERE'S QUESTIONS ON THIS, BUT THERE ARE LAWS BECAUSE THE PARK BELONGS TO GARLAND AND THE LAKE BELONGS TO DALLAS, WHATEVER RULES WE MAKE FOR ADMISSION FEES FOR, UM, THE CITY OF GARLAND RESIDENTS ALSO HAVE TO APPLY TO CITY OF DALLAS RESIDENTS.

SO IF YOU SEE FREE FOR CITY OF GARLAND RESIDENTS AND DALLAS RESIDENTS, AND YOU THINK, WELL, WHY IS IT FREE DALLAS RESIDENTS? IT'S BECAUSE OF THAT, UH, UNIQUE RELATIONS THERE BETWEEN THE PARK AND THE WATER.

AND SO THE DECISION WAS MADE, UM,

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TO CHARGE AN ADMISSION INTO THE PARK, UH, TO STAFF THE PARK AND TO MAKE THIS ADMISSION FREE TO GARLAND RESIDENTS INTO DALLAS RESIDENTS.

I CAN TELL YOU, WE DID A PRETTY THOROUGH SAMPLE THIS YEAR.

SO FAR, MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT VISITED THE SPARK ARE DALLAS RESIDENTS.

THERE ARE SOME GARLAND RESIDENTS, THERE ARE RESIDENTS FROM OTHER CITIES, BUT THE VAST MAJORITY ON THE WEEKENDS ON THE BUSY WEEKENDS ARE RESIDENTS OF DALLAS.

SO USING THIS TO IMPACT THE CROWDS, I'M NOT SURE THAT IT'S GOING TO HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE CROWDS BECAUSE MOST OF THESE PEOPLE ARE FROM GARLAND ARE FROM DALLAS.

SO SOME ARE 2020.

UH, YOU KNOW, WE STARTED TO SEE BIG CROWDS IN THE PARK, BUT THIS IS WHEN COVID WAS REALLY RAMPING UP FOLLOWING THE GUIDELINES FROM THE CDC.

UM, SO FOR COVID REASONS, THE PARK WAS CLOSED FOR MOST OF THE SUMMER OF 2020.

UM, AND THEN WE MOVED TO 2021 AND NOW JUNE 12TH AND 13TH WAS THE FIRST DAY, THIS SUMMER.

THAT WAS A NICE DAY.

YOU KNOW, IT RAINED ALL OF MAY.

IT RAIN THE 1ST OF JUNE.

SO THIS WAS THE FIRST NICE DAY WE COULD KIND OF JUDGE WHAT KIND OF CROWDS ARE SHOWING UP.

AND WE REACHED CAPACITY.

IT WAS A SURPRISE TO US.

THESE ARE NUMBERS THAT WE'VE SEEN ON THE HOLIDAYS.

ON THE PAST YEARS, WE WERE HOPING THAT THE WORD WOULD SLOWLY LEAK OUT.

WE WOULDN'T SEE THESE HUGE NUMBERS, BUT HERE JUNE 12TH, 13TH, UM, THE FIRST WEEKEND WE MAX CAPACITY ALSO BECAUSE OF THE RAINS, WE COULD NOT PARK PEOPLE IN THE FIELD.

AND SO IT FLOODED, THEY FLOODED THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH PARKING.

UM, WE HAD, THEY OVERWHELMED THE PARKING IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS BECAUSE WE ONLY HAD THE LIMITED 500 SPOTS INSIDE OF THE PARK.

SO THAT WAS THAT WEEKEND.

AND THEN THE FOLLOWING WEEKEND, UH, FATHER'S DAY IS WHEN WE REACHED 2,500 AND THEN ANOTHER, WE TURNED AWAY ANOTHER 3000 PEOPLE FROM THE PARK.

I'LL TALK MORE ABOUT THAT IN A MINUTE.

HERE'S JUST A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF EXPENSES.

UH, AND THAT'S KIND OF SMALL AND HARD TO READ.

I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.

BUT, UM, OVER THE PAST FOUR YEARS, THIS IS KIND OF AN ESTIMATE IN POLICE OVERTIME AND PARKS OVER TIME THAT WE'VE SPENT FOR EACH SUMMER.

I THINK 2019 PROBABLY GIVES YOU THE BEST IDEA, UH, POLICE OVERTIME AND PARKS OVER TIME THAT WE'VE SPENT.

NOW, KEEP IN MIND THOUGH, THIS IS HOLIDAY WEEKENDS ONLY.

THIS IS NOT EVERY WEEKEND.

THIS IS WHAT WE SPENT, UH, MANAGING MEMORIAL DAY LABOR DAY, JULY 4TH WEEKEND.

SO FATHER'S DAY 2021.

SO IT WAS ABOUT FOUR O'CLOCK THAT WE REACHED CAPACITY.

AND AT ONE O'CLOCK, WE WERE ABOUT 1500 PEOPLE.

AND SO FROM ONE O'CLOCK TO DARK, WE HAD ANOTHER 5,004,000 PEOPLE SHOW UP.

AND WHAT WE LEARNED LATER IS THAT A RADIO STATION HAD BROADCAST AS ONCE OR PARK AS A PLACE TO GO FOR SWIMMING.

SO WHATEVER SECRET WE HAD IN PLACE WAS THEN OUT.

AND WE SAW THIS HUGE MASS OF FLOOD OF PEOPLE COMING.

SO WE REACHED CAPACITY AND CLOSED THE PARK ABOUT 4:00 PM.

NOW, AT THE TIME WE HAD FOUR OFFICERS AND ONE PARK STAFF THERE TO MANAGE THIS MESS, AND THEY WERE QUICKLY OVERWHELMED.

UM, I'VE INCLUDED THESE TWO PICTURES TO, TO MAKE A POINT OF, IF YOU LOOK ON THE LEFT PICTURE, UM, MY LEFT, THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE DON'T HAVE PARKS STAFF TO PARK VEHICLES.

AND SO WE HAD ONE PART STAFF AT THE ENTRANCE MANAGING THE GATES, BUT WE DID NOT HAVE THE FIVE TO 10 PARKS STAFF PARKING VEHICLES IN THE PARKING LOT.

SO WHAT HAPPENED IS THEY, THEY PARK ON BOTH SIDES.

THEY PARKED ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROADWAY AND THEY CREATED THIS FUNNEL.

AND S AND THEN YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT, WHICH IS FROM 2016.

AND, UH, I MET WITH MY STAFF THE MONDAY AFTER FATHER'S DAY, AND WE DISCUSSED THIS IN DETAIL, BUT IT'S PARKING.

WE HAVE TO HAVE PARKING.

THE BIGGEST CONCERN WE HAVE WITH THIS PARK IS THAT LIMITED INGRESS AND EGRESS.

SO WE HAVE TO MANAGE THAT PARKING, UH, IN ORDER TO OPEN THOSE ROADWAYS OR YOU'LL HAPPEN, WHAT WE HAD HAPPEN ON FATHER'S DAY.

AND WHAT HAPPENED IS ONCE WE CLOSE THE PARK, A FIGHT BROKE OUT BETWEEN TWO GROUPS OF YOUNG MEN, AND THIS FIGHT S ESCALATED INTO A BRAWL.

UH, THEY USE MACHETES, THEY USE HAMMERS, AND EVENTUALLY IT LED TO GUNFIRE.

AND SO THE PICTURE YOU SEE ON THE LEFT IS, IS A SQUAD CAR.

THAT'S RUNNING CODE THREE, TRYING TO GET TO, TO THE FIGHT IN, TO THE LOCATION, UH, ABOUT THREE QUARTERS OF THE WAY DOWN.

HE'S MET WITH PEOPLE FLEEING THE PARK.

AND SO NOW YOU'VE JUST GOT A TRAFFIC JAM.

SO THEY HAVE TO ABANDON THEIR VEHICLES AND MAKE THEIR WAY ON FOOT.

UM, SO AGAIN, IT'S CRUCIAL.

AND ANDY AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS TOO LAST WEEK IS WE'VE GOT TO MANAGE PARKING.

WE CANNOT THE ONE INGRESS AND EGRESS.

WE HAVE, WE CANNOT ALLOW PEOPLE TO PARK ON BOTH SIDES, WHICH WILL GO INTO OUR STAFFING ISSUES.

UM, EVENTUALLY THAT FIGHT, WE PUT OUT AN ASSIST AND WE SENT IN OUR SAFE STREETS, TASK FORCE.

AND JUST TO REMIND

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YOU, EVERY SUMMER, WE IMPLEMENT THE SAFE STREETS, TASK FORCE.

WE BRING IN, UH, OFFICERS FROM DIFFERENT UNITS.

WE CREATE THIS TASK FORCE.

SO WE HAVE THIS ADDITIONAL FORCE OUT ON THE STREETS AND THE SUMMER IN ORDER TO COMBAT VIOLENT CRIME.

SO SUMMER EVENINGS ARE OUR MOST ACTIVE EVENINGS.

AND SO WE HAVE THIS TASK GROUP TO DEAL WITH THAT ISSUE.

SO WE ENDED UP SENDING THE TASK GROUP TO THIS FIGHT, AND THIS IS THE RESPONDENT, BUT THEY COULDN'T MAKE IT THERE BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC JAM.

ONCE WE FINALLY GET IN THERE, UH, THE WEAPONS HAD BEEN HIDDEN.

UH, THE FIGHT HAD DISPERSED AT THAT POINT, NO ONE WAS HIT BY THE GUNFIRE, AND THEN THE PARAMEDICS RESPOND TO TREAT THE WOUNDED.

WE HAD NO LIFE-THREATENING INJURIES.

WE DID HAVE LACERATIONS AND BRUISES AND SOME KNOCKED OUT TEETH, UH, BUT NO LIFE-THREATENING INJURIES, BUT EVEN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAD TO PARK AND WALK DOWN TO GET TO THE, UH, INTO THE INCIDENT AND TO TREAT PEOPLE.

SO AGAIN, IF THIS WAS A, A MASS CASUALTY EVENT, OR IF SOMEONE WAS SIGNIFICANTLY INJURED, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WOULD TREAT THEM.

I DON'T KNOW HOW AN AMBULANCE COULD BACK OUT OF THIS PARK UNLESS WE SEND IN A HELICOPTER.

SO THAT'S INSIDE THE PARK TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA.

THIS IS OUTSIDE THE PARK.

SO OUTSIDE THE PARK.

AND LET ME SAY TOO, IF YOU SEE THE TIME ON THESE, THIS IS PULLED FROM BODY-WORN CAMERA, BUT THAT TIME IS TAKEN FROM THE AXON SYSTEM AND THE WAY AXON STANCE OR SYSTEM IT'S ONE TIME ACROSS ALL TIME ZONES.

SO THIS IS NOT LOCAL TIME.

SO THIS IS AROUND FOUR O'CLOCK.

THE OFFICER IS WALKING DOWN LOCUS GROVE AND HE'S KNOCKING ON CAR WINDOWS.

AND HE'S SAYING, HEY, THE PARK IS CLOSED.

YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO TURN AROUND AND LEAVE.

AND EVERY PERSON HE TALKS TO HAS A REASON, OH, I'VE LEFT MY FAMILY IN THERE.

UH, I'VE GOT TO GET MEDICATION THAT'S IN THERE OF DROP MY KIDS OFF THAT'S IN THERE AND NO ONE IS LEAVING.

AND SO HE'S TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO LEAVE.

HE'S TRYING TO KILL, UH, CLEAR THE ROADWAY, BUT NO ONE IS LEAVING.

UM, AND NOW HE'S WALKED ALL THE WAY TO PENINSULA WAY.

AND THIS IS HIM LOOKING BACK AT ALL THE CARS HE'S TALKED TO, AND THEY'RE STILL A THERE.

UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF NEW FOR US.

YOU KNOW, WE'VE MANAGED THE, THE OUTSIDE ISSUES BEFORE, BUT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN PRETTY GOOD AT LEAVING, BUT FOR WHATEVER REASON THIS DAY, THEY WEREN'T LEAVING, UH, INCLUDED THIS PICTURE BECAUSE HERE'S A FAMILY.

THE OFFICER HAS WALKED BY, HAS KNOCKED ON THE WINDOW, HAS TOLD THEM THE PARK IS CLOSED.

YOU'LL HAVE TO TURN AROUND.

UM, THE FAMILY SAYS, OKAY, THANKS.

AND THEN THEY UNLOAD THEIR CAR AND HEAD TO THE PARK.

SO NOW THE OFFICER IS BACK AT THE GATES AND YOU CAN STILL SEE PEOPLE COMING.

NOW, SOMETHING ELSE NEW THIS YEAR IS, IS THESE PEOPLE, UM, WHEN THEY'RE TURNED AWAY AT THE GATE, THEN THEY WALK BACK INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND WHEN THEY GET BACK INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY'RE CROSSING PRIVATE PROPERTY AND THEY'RE CUTTING THROUGH HOUSES.

AND WE EVEN HAD A GROUP THAT TOOK MACHETES AND I'LL SHOW YOU THE CUL-DE-SAC HERE IN A MINUTE WHERE THEY CUT A PATH IN THE WOODS TO GET TO THE PARK.

AND THEN ONCE IT GOT TO THE PARK, THEY CUT DOWN TREES BEHIND THAT HOUSE TO CREATE A PICNIC AREA.

THAT WAS SOMETHING NEW WE HAVEN'T SEEN BEFORE.

SO, UH, AND AGAIN, THESE ARE NUMBERS WE WERE SEEING ON HOLIDAYS IN THE PAST.

NOW WE'RE SEEING THESE EVERY WEEKEND AND WE CAN EXPECT THIS EVERY WEEKEND.

SO NOW WE HAVE TO PLAN EVERY WEEKEND.

I INCLUDED A PICTURE OF THE CURTIS COLWELL CENTER JUST TO MAKE A POINT, BUT WE HAVE TO HANDLE THIS AS A SPECIAL EVENT THAT IS OCCURRING EVERY WEEKEND.

WE ARE DRAWING FIVE TO EIGHT TO 10,000 PEOPLE INTO THIS SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO WE NEED A TRAFFIC PLAN.

WE NEED A INFORMATION PLAN.

WE NEED A SECURITY PLAN AS IF WE WERE HAVING A SPECIAL EVENT IN OUR CITY, AS IF WE HAVE PLANNED FOR THE, LIKE WE PLANNED FOR THE CURTIS COLWELL CENTER.

NOW THE CURTIS COLWELL CENTER HAS MULTIPLE LANES OF INGRESS AND EGRESS.

I'M NOT SAYING THEY'RE EXACTLY THE SAME.

I'M JUST MAKING THE POINT IS THIS IS HOW WE HAVE TO PLAN FOR THIS PARK.

WE CANNOT TRY TO BE EFFICIENT BECAUSE IF WE TRY TO BE EFFICIENT AND LIMIT THE PEOPLE, WE'RE CREATING A DANGEROUS SCENARIO, IT'S DANGEROUS FOR OUR STAFF.

IT'S DANGEROUS FOR PARK STAFF.

IT'S DANGEROUS FOR THE PARK ATTENDEES.

IT'S DANGEROUS FOR THE NEIGHBORHOODS.

SO WE HAVE TO HANDLE THIS AS IF WE ARE DRAWING 5,000 PEOPLE INTO OUR CITY AND FOR THE CALLERS CALDWELL CENTER.

AND THE BIG EVENTS ARE THEIR GRADUATIONS.

UH, AND THIS IS USUALLY OVER A COUPLE OF WEEKENDS RIGHT BEFORE THE SUMMER.

UH, BUT THEY DRAW FIVE TO 6,000 PEOPLE PER GRADUATION.

THEY HAVE 63 CIVILIAN STAFF, INCLUDING SECURITY GUARDS, FIVE HOSTS, 18 POLICE OFFICERS WORK IN SECURITY AND TRAFFIC AND PARAMEDICS.

AGAIN, I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS WHAT OUR PLAN IS, OR THESE AREN'T THE NUMBERS.

I'M JUST KIND OF GIVING YOU A COMPARISON ON HOW WE PLAN FOR A SPECIAL EVENT.

USUALLY FOR SPECIAL EVENTS.

WE, WE PLANNED FOR ONE OFFICER FOR EVERY 500 PEOPLE UNLESS THERE'S ALCOHOL.

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THEN WE PLANNED FOR ONE OFFICER FOR EVERY 250 PEOPLE.

AND SO THE, THE PLAN WE PUT TOGETHER FOR WHEN SIR PART AS A SPECIAL EVENT IS TO WORK TWO SHIFTS.

THIS IS A LONG DAY.

SO TO WORK TWO SHIFTS, WE'RE GOING TO START THE MORNING SHIFT.

IF THE PARKS DO REMAIN OPEN WITH SIX OFFICERS AND 10, UH, PARK STAFF, UH, ALSO INCLUDED IN THERE IS THE MOFEC OUR MOBILE COMMAND VEHICLE.

NOW, THE PURPOSE OF THAT VEHICLE IS IT'S A HOT DAY TO GIVE THEM A PLACE TO TAKE BREAKS, TAKE AIR CONDITIONING.

THERE'S ALSO A RESTROOM IN THERE TO EAT LAUNCH, ALSO STATION A FIRE TRUCK, AND AN AMBULANCE OUT THERE.

EVEN IF WE KEEP THE ROADWAY CLEAR WITH OUR PARKING DIRECTION, WE STILL HAVE TO PREPARE FOR THE POSSIBILITY THAT ONE ENTRANCE IS CLOSED.

SO THIS GROUP NEEDS TO BE SOMEWHAT SELF-SUFFICIENT AT LEAST TO HANDLE THE INITIAL EMERGENCY AND THE SKY WATCH TOWER.

THE AFTERNOON, WE WILL ADD TWO OFFICERS INSIDE THE PARK FOR A TOTAL OF EIGHT OFFICERS INSIDE THE PARK.

OH, THANK YOU, MAN.

I NEEDED THAT.

I USUALLY DON'T TALK THIS MUCH.

AS YOU KNOW, UH, OUTSIDE THE PARK IS WE'RE PLANNING ON HAVING SIX OFFICERS AND TWO MEN UNITS.

THEY WILL TAKE CARE OF TRAFFIC DIRECTION.

UH, THEY'LL TAKE CARE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ISSUES OF PEOPLE CUTTING THROUGH.

UH, YOU CAN SEE THE ONE CUL-DE-SAC THERE AT THE BOTTOM LEFT, THAT'S NEXT TO THE WOODED AREA.

THAT'S WHERE THEY WERE PARKED AND CUTTING THROUGH THE WOODS, USING MACHETES TO GET TO THE PART.

I ADDED THIS JUST TO HIGHLIGHT ANOTHER THING I HAVE TO FIGURE, AND THAT IS IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 2,500 PEOPLE IN THE PARK, I HAVE TO HAVE A PLACE FOR A DROP-OFF AND PICK-UP LOCATION.

AND I HAVE NOT FIGURED THAT OUT YET.

UH, BUT AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, ONCE YOU CLOSE THE PARK AT 2,500 PEOPLE, THERE ARE STILL HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE PEOPLE INSIDE THE PARK.

THEY NEED TO GET TO WHATEVER REASON IT MAY BE KIDS.

IT MAY BE FAMILY.

AND SO WE, WE NEED A PLACE FOR A DROP-OFF AND PICK-UP LOCATION.

AND THAT'S ONE THAT I DON'T QUITE HAVE FIGURED OUT YET IN THIS PLAN.

OKAY.

THE SEPTET ISSUES.

AND WE TALK ABOUT SEPTET A LOT.

UM, SEPTET IS A CRIME PREVENTION THROUGH ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN, AND THAT'S THE, THE DESIGN OF THIS PARK.

AND I WON'T GO THROUGH ALL OF THEM EXCEPT FOR ONE, WHICH NO MATTER WHAT AMOUNT OF RESOURCES WE PUT OUT THERE IS STILL NOT SOLVED.

AND THAT IS THE, THE LIMITED INGRESS AND EGRESS, UNLESS WE SOMEHOW CAN BUILD ANOTHER ROAD TO THIS PARK, WE STILL ARE HOSTING 2,500 PEOPLE WITH ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT.

AND, UH, I KNOW THE FIRE DEPARTMENT CAN ECHO THIS, BUT THAT'S A MAJOR CONCERN FOR SAFETY.

AND SO HOW ARE WE GOING TO STAFF THIS? UM, SIMILAR TO, TO OTHER PROBLEMS IS TO FORM A TASK GROUP AND DEDICATE RESOURCES TO STAFF WINDSURF PARK.

AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE 32 OFFICERS.

UH, 26 OF THOSE OFFICERS WOULD BE ASSIGNED THERE PER DAY.

UH, 32 GIVES US THE ABILITY FOR SIX OF THEM TO BE OFF SOMETIMES ON THE WEEKEND, 20 PARKS EMPLOYEES THAT ARE THERE TO PICK UP TRASH PARKING GATE MANAGEMENT ON AMBULANCE AND A FIRE ENGINE THAT'S EVERY DAY DURING THE WEEKEND.

SO I KNOW THE FIRST QUESTION THAT'S GOING TO GET ASKED IS HOW MUCH DOES THAT COST? AND I'LL HAVE TO EXPLAIN THIS, BUT THE COST IS NOT IN HARD COST.

I CANNOT DO THIS WITH OVERTIME, NO MATTER HOW MUCH OVERTIME YOU GIVE ME, I CANNOT STAFF SOMETHING THIS MASSIVE WITH OVERTIME.

IF YOU THINK ABOUT HOW WE DO JULY 4TH, JULY 4TH, WE STAFF IT WITH OFFICERS THAT HAVE WORKED ALL WEEK.

SO THEY'VE WORKED MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, THEY'RE OFF ON THE WEEKENDS AND WE EITHER GET VOLUNTEERS OR WE MANDATE THEM TO WORK ON THEIR DAYS OFF.

THAT'S HOW WE STAFF THESE SPECIAL EVENTS IS THEY'RE COMING IN ON THEIR DAYS OFF.

I CANNOT DO THAT EVERY WEEKEND THROUGH THE SUMMER, DOING THIS WITH OVERTIME.

IT'S JUST NOT POSSIBLE.

IT'S NOT POSSIBLE FOR MY STAFF.

IT'S NOT POSSIBLE.

THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, IT'S NOT POSSIBLE FOR PARKS STAFF.

IT HAS TO BE A TASK FORCE THAT WE'VE TAKEN THESE RESOURCES FROM SOMEWHERE.

AND WE PLANTED THEM IN THE PARK.

.

SO TO DO THAT, I'D HAVE TO REALLOCATE ALMOST 10% OF MY STAFF TO WINDSOR PARK.

SO WE FIGURED OUT, OKAY, WELL, HOW ARE WE GOING TO STAFF 32 OFFICERS AT WINDSURF PARK? AND WE WOULD PULL A 10 NPOS.

SO WE'D REDUCE OUR NPOS FROM SIX NPOS TO SIX NPOS.

A GANG UNIT WOULD ESSENTIALLY THE GANG UNIT DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS FROM SIX TO ONE.

NOW WE NEED ONE TO DO DATA ENTRY.

UM, EIGHT S SROS.

NOW, SRS, I KNOW ARE OFF DURING THE SUMMER, BUT WE ALSO HAVE SUMMER SCHOOL.

WE HAVE SUMMER CAMPS.

WE HAVE SUMMER PROGRAMS. WE'RE ABLE TO USE THEM MORE DURING THE SUMMER THAT WE CAN DURING THE YEAR, BUT WE

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DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO ALL 31 OF THEM.

UH, EIGHT TRAFFIC OFFICERS THAT WOULD RE REDUCE US FROM 15 TO SEVEN, UH, TWO SUPERVISORS, ONE NPO, AND ONE TRAFFIC SUPERVISOR, UH, THAT WOULD FORCE US TO CANCEL THE SAFE STREETS, TASK FORCE.

UH, THIS WOULD COST US 40% OF PARK STAFF.

AND SO THEY WOULD BE PULLED FROM THE OUT, THROUGHOUT THE CITY TO BE PART OF THIS TASK GROUP.

AND THEN ONE FIRE AND ONE AMBULANCE.

NOW I'LL SAY AGAIN, THIS IS THE PLAN, THIS PART RIGHT NOW, AS IT SITS AS MY NUMBER ONE SAFETY CONCERN.

AFTER, UH, FATHER'S DAY, WE WERE ON THE BRINK OF DISASTER.

NOW, THANKFULLY WE AVERTED DISASTER, UH, BUT IT IS NOT A SAFE PLACE FOR OUR STAFF.

AT THIS POINT, WE HAVE TO COME UP, WE HAVE TO TREAT THIS AS IF WE'RE HOSTING 5,000 PEOPLE AND WE ARE.

AND SO THIS IS THE ONLY WAY I'M COMFORTABLE TO DO THAT.

NOW, HAVING SAID THAT, I DON'T WANT TO DO THIS.

THESE RESOURCES ARE VALUABLE THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

THEY'RE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOODS.

THEY'RE THERE DOING GREAT WORK RIGHT NOW.

I DON'T WANT TO DO THIS, BUT TO KEEP THIS OPEN, UM, I HAVE TO, I CANNOT LET THIS PARK TAKE OVER THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND RIGHT NOW IT'S TAKEN OVER THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO TO KEEP THIS OPEN, THIS IS HOW WE HAVE TO TREAT IT.

AND SO I THINK I'M DONE.

SO I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS.

ALL RIGHT.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF NIP? YOU USE THE R T S BUTTON, CATHERINE RIVERA, CHIEF.

UM, DID THEY, UH, THEY CLOSED THE DELL ROCK ON 30 DINNER.

THEY DID.

SO THAT'S WHY WE GET IN A LOT OF PEOPLE OVER THERE.

YEAH.

THAT'S WHEN WE FIRST SAW THAT.

SO THAT WAS IN 2016.

UH THAT'S WHEN WE FIRST SAW THE BIG NUMBER SHOWING UP AT ONE, SIR.

YES.

OKAY.

THAT'S ALL.

THANK YOU.

SURE.

YEAH.

AND I'M SORRY, BUT MITCH REMINDED ME, I DIDN'T, UH, GIVE THE RECOMMENDATIONS, WHICH IS WE'RE, WE'RE RECOMMENDING, AND I'M RECOMMENDING AS CHIEF THAT I CAN'T MANAGE THIS PART WITHOUT PULLING ALL THOSE RESOURCES ON THE WEEKENDS.

SO OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO CLOSE THE PARK ON WEEKENDS AND HOLIDAYS.

UH, WE ARE NOT SEEING THESE NUMBERS RIGHT NOW DURING THE WEEK, UH, AND LEAVE IT OPEN, UH, DURING THE WEEK.

I ALSO THINK WE SHOULD STILL LOOK AT LIMITING ACCESS TO THE WATER.

IF WE LIMIT ACCESS TO THE WATER, WE TURN THIS BACK INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK.

SO, UH, I GUESS IT'S MORE TO RECOMMENDATIONS.

OKAY.

CAUSE WE'RE ROBIN, THANK YOU, MAYOR.

UH, HAVEN'T USED THE MICROPHONE IN LIKE A YEAR AND CHANGE, SO I'M GOING TO CALIBRATE OVER HERE.

UM, THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION CHIEF.

I APPRECIATE IT.

YOU KNOW, WE'VE GONE THROUGH A LOT OF EFFORT TO TRY AND KEEP THIS PARK OPEN AND MANAGE IT.

AND IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S NO REAL WAY TO MANAGE THE GROWTH RIGHT NOW.

UM, BUT I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

THE, UM, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE CITY-WIDE IMPACT AND THE NUMBERS THAT WE WOULD NEED IS THAT WITH THE PARK, AS IT IS TODAY, OR IS THAT WITH THE PARK, IF WE DID A BUNCH OF ACCESS IMPROVEMENTS OR WHATEVER, WOULD THAT CHANGE THE NUMBER IT DOES AND CHANGE THE NUMBER UNLESS YOU CHANGE THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE SHOWING UP.

SO EVEN IF WE, UNLESS WE CAN IMPACT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE SHOWING UP AND AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF TWO PROBLEMS. THERE'S THE INSIDE THE PARK PROBLEM.

AND THEN THERE'S THE OUTSIDE THE PARK PROBLEM.

SO MY PLAN RIGHT NOW IS TO ACT AS IF 5,000 PEOPLE ARE SHOWING UP, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING ON.

EVEN THE NON HOLIDAY WEEKENDS.

AND IF WE SEE A REDUCTION IN THOSE NUMBERS, THEN WE CAN REDUCE OUR STAFF.

UM, BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE, IT'D HAVE TO SEE A REDUCTION IN THOSE NUMBERS.

OKAY.

SO THIS IS BASED ON 5,000.

SO IF WE, IF WE DID IT AND I'M NOT EVEN SURE THIS IS POSSIBLE, BUT IF WE SECURELY FENCED THE PERIMETER OF THE PARK SO THAT PEOPLE COULDN'T, UM, YOU KNOW, RAMBO THEIR WAY THROUGH THE JUNGLE OR WHATEVER, TO GET INTO THE PARK AND PEOPLE CAN'T COME THROUGH THE, BETWEEN HOUSES AND STUFF, WE HAVE ACTUAL CONTROLLED ACCESS TO THE PARK.

YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE THEN GOT IT DOWN TO SAY 2,500 OR A THOUSAND, THEN YOU'D BE COMFORTABLE REDUCING THAT, BUT WE'D STILL HAVE THE PROBLEM OUTSIDE THE PARK, RIGHT? UH, YEAH, IF WE REDUCED THE NUMBERS, WE WOULD REDUCE THE STAFF.

UM, IF WE COULD, IF WE COULD LIMIT THE ACCESS WHERE THEY CAN'T GET IN AND WE'VE ELIMINATED THE NEIGHBORHOOD ISSUES, WE COULD PROBABLY GO FROM TWO OFF.

I MEAN, FROM SIX OFFICERS TO FOUR OFFICERS OUTSIDE, UH, AND, AND, UH, MAYBE REDUCE THE NUMBER INSIDE, UH, IT'S STILL A SIGNIFICANT FORCE.

IT WOULD BE OUT THERE, BUT CERTAINLY IF WE REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE SHOWING UP, WE COULD REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF STAFF.

OKAY.

AND ANY IDEA ON HOW WE MANAGE THE, I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE THE MOST UNMANAGEABLE PORTION OF THE WHOLE THING WAS,

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UH, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD PART WHERE IF YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE JUST BLOCKING THE ROAD AND PARKING WHEREVER THEY WANT AND WALKING THROUGH HOUSES OR DOING WHATEVER.

OKAY.

I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT UNTIL THE FIGHT BROKE OUT.

SO, OKAY.

FAIR.

WHEN THE FIGHT BROKE OUT AND THE GUNSHOTS RANG OUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT CAUSED ISSUES INSIDE.

I MEAN, IT'S STILL 2,500 PEOPLE.

UM, YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW WE TALK ABOUT COMPARING THIS TO OTHER PARKS.

I CAN NOT FIND ANOTHER PARK LIKE THIS.

THIS IS A ONE-OFF PARK WITH A LIMITED ENTRY AND EXIT AND ALL THE CHALLENGES WE HAVE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, BUT, UH, YEAH, GETTING BACK TO YOUR QUESTION, UH, YOU KNOW, OUR CONCERNS ARE BOTH INSIDE AND OUTSIDE THE PARK.

IT'S, IT'S TWO SEPARATE DYNAMICS GOING ON.

OKAY.

THANK YOU, CHIEF.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

THANKS SIR.

CUSTOMER BASS, UH, CHIEF BRIAN.

UM, I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS NOT ANY SEPARATION BETWEEN THE SWIMMERS AND THE BOATERS.

IS THERE A BOAT RAMP THERE, THERE IS NO BOAT RAMP.

THERE'S NO.

OKAY.

SO PEOPLE ARE ACCESSING.

OKAY.

UM, HAVE WE HAD ANY, ANY INCIDENTS BETWEEN SWIMMERS AND BOATERS? UH, I SEE AN NPO SHAKING HIS HEAD.

YES.

UH, OKAY.

YOU KNOW, WHAT'S INTERESTING FOR US IS THAT'S NOT RECORDED IN ANY OF OUR STATS.

SO WE'VE HAD PEOPLE DROWN IN THE LAKE THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH WINDSOR PARK, BUT THAT'S ALL HANDLED BY DALLAS.

AND SO WE, IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE'RE ABLE TO KEEP UP WITH THEIR TRACK OR EVEN KNOW THE DETAILS OF THE INCIDENT UNLESS WE KNOW TO ASK FOR THEM BECAUSE OF THAT IS ALL A DALLAS PD.

OKAY.

AND, UM, SO I GUESS THEN THERE'S NO PLAN ON OUR SIDE FOR ANY SEPARATION BETWEEN SWIMMERS AND BOATERS, IF NO.

YEAH.

THE, THE LAKE BELONGS TO DALLAS, SO, UH, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE DO.

IT COULD BE.

SO HAVE WE, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH ALL OF THE OVERCROWDING ISSUES, BECAUSE IT'S A, IT'S A DALLAS ISSUE AS WELL.

UM, WE HAVE ANY, WHAT KIND OF COMMUNICATION DO WE HAVE WITH THEM OVER THIS? A LOT OF COMMUNICATION GOING BACK FROM MITCH WAS CHIEFY AND I WENT TO DALLAS PD AND MET WITH THEIR CHIEF, CHIEF BROWN AT THE TIME.

SO THAT SHOWS YOU HOW FAR BACK WE, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THE LAKE CREW THAT WORKS THE LAKE, I THINK IT'S FOUR OFFICERS, UH, AND THE NPO MAY CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I THINK IT'S FOUR OFFICERS THAT WORK THE ENTIRE LAKE.

AND SO THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH STAFF JUST TO PAY ATTENTION TO WINDSURF PARK.

THEY DO COME BY, THEY DO CHECKS.

UH, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, THEY'RE OUT THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE LAKE.

OKAY.

BUT WE SEE THIS, I MEAN, DO YOU SEE THIS AS A DALLAS ISSUE AS WELL AS A GARLAND ISSUE? SURE.

OKAY.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

THANK YOU.

YES, SIR.

YES.

AND JUST, WE'VE HAD LOTS OF COMMUNICATION WITH DALLAS, DALLAS PD.

WE HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF RESPONSE TO THAT COMMUNICATION THAT MORE DIPLOMATICALLY THAN, THAN THAT'S MY JOB, A DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM MORRIS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

UM, CHIEF, YOU MENTIONED SEVERAL TIMES THAT IF WE RESTRICTED ACCESS TO THE WATER, THIS PARK WOULD GO BACK TO BEING A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK.

YEAH.

I THINK THE DRAW TO THIS PARK IS THIS SWIMMING.

SO WHEN, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT RESTRICTING ACCESS TO THE WATER, DO YOU HAVE IT IN MIND WHAT WE HAD DISCUSSED AT ONE TIME, WHICH IS FENCING OFF THE WATER IN SOME WAY THAT WOULD PREVENT PEOPLE FROM ACCESSING IT DIRECTLY? I, I DO.

AND I INCLUDED, YOU KNOW, THIS IS OF COURSE A VERY NICE EXAMPLE, BUT, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THIS WOULD COST.

YOU KNOW, I I'M MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS.

I DON'T HAVE TO WRITE THE CHECK, BUT, UH, I THINK THERE ARE WAYS WE COULD FENCE THIS OFF OR IT'S AESTHETICALLY PLEASING AND, UH, LIMIT ACCESS TO THE WATER OR A, UH, YOU KNOW, IF YOU THINK OF, UM, UH, JOHN PAUL JONES PARK NEXT DOOR, THEY HAVE, UH, UH, ROCKS THAT KEEP THE EROSION.

AND SO THAT LIMITS THE SWIMMING.

SO THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS TO LIMIT THE SWIMMING.

BUT I THINK IF YOU DID THAT, IT WOULD TURN THIS BACK INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK.

AND WHAT ARE THE ODDS THAT IF WE, IF WE DID FENCE OFF THE WATER, THAT PEOPLE WHO USE MACHETES TO CUT DOWN TREES AND EVERYTHING, THAT THEY WOULD JUST GO AROUND THE FENCE OR OVER THE FENCE, OR, UM, WHAT DO YOU HAVE A, A SENSE ON HOW MUCH, HOW SUCCESSFUL THAT MIGHT BE IN ACTUALLY KEEPING PEOPLE OUT OF THE WATER? WELL, I CAN JUST TELL YOU WHAT, WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST.

AND WE HAVE FENCED IT OFF.

YOU KNOW, WE DID THIS IN MITCH, REMIND ME, WHAT YEAR WAS IT? 20 18, 20 18.

WE, WE DID A FENCE AND IT WORKED VERY WELL.

UH, WE SENT A STRONG MESSAGE, NO SWIMMING IN THE PARK.

WE HAD HIGH VISIBILITY PER, UH, PATROLS AND IT WORKED NOW.

IT WASN'T A PRETTY FANCY, IT WAS A CHAIN LINK FENCE.

UM, BUT IF WE DO SOMETHING TO RESTRICT SWIMMING, UM, THEN YES, I THINK IT WOULD AT LEAST GREATLY REDUCED THE NUMBERS THAT WE'RE SEEING.

YOU MAY STILL HAVE SOMEONE THAT JUMPS THE FENCE AND GETS INTO THE WATER.

YEAH.

AND I THINK WE DISCUSSED THAT AS A MORE AS A, IF I'M REMEMBERING CORRECTLY AS AN EITHER, OR IT'S EITHER

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FENCING OFF THE WATER OR RESTRICTING ACCESS WITH A, SOME KIND OF A PASS SYSTEM, UM, NOBODY WANTS TO RESTRICT THE WATER, BUT, UM, YEAH, I, I WOULD BE TOTALLY OPPOSED TO, TO SUCKING RESOURCES FROM THE REST OF THE CITY IN ORDER TO, TO MANAGE MOSTLY DALLAS RESIDENTS IN OUR PARK.

BUT, UM, OKAY.

UM, AND WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT, UH, UM, I THINK YOU TALKED ABOUT, OR PERHAPS IT WAS, UM, COUNCILMAN ALBAN, A PERIMETER FENCE, WOULD YOU SEE A HIGH, HIGH PROBABILITY OF SUCCESS IF WE ACTUALLY DID A ROBUST PERIMETER FENCE AROUND THE ENTIRE PARK? UH, WELL, IT CERTAINLY REDUCED THE NUMBER OF, YOU KNOW, ILLEGAL ENTRIES, YOU KNOW, FROM PEOPLE CUTTING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR CUTTING THROUGH THAT FIELD.

UH, WE CAN ALSO DO THAT WITH ADDITIONAL STAFF MONITORING IT, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THEY RECOGNIZE WE ONLY HAD FOUR OFFICERS OFFICERS THERE.

WE HAD, WE'RE DEALING WITH 5,000 PEOPLE.

SO IT, IT'S EASY TO IGNORE THE OFFICERS WHEN, WHEN YOU OUTNUMBER THEM TO SUCH A DEGREE.

AND SO I, YOU KNOW, EITHER, EITHER THE FENCE OR MORE OFFICERS, ONE OF THOSE TWO WOULD, WOULD HELP WITH THAT ISSUE.

OKAY.

BUT YOUR, YOUR BASIC RECOMMENDATION AT THIS POINT, GIVEN WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS THAT WE JUST CLOSED THE PARK ON WEEKENDS AND HOLIDAYS AND ONLY HAVE IT BE OPEN DURING WEEKDAYS.

THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU, SIR.

APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU.

AND, AND, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS, UH, PROBABLY EVERY TIME WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS PARK, THE WHOLE SWIMMING, AND JUST TO CLARIFY, THE CITY OF DALLAS RESTRICTS SWIMMING AT BACHMAN AND WHITE ROCK BY ORDINANCE, BUT THERE IS NO RESTRICTION ON SWIMMING AT HUBBARD.

I KNOW THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED BACK AND FORTH AND DEBATED BACK AND FORTH, BUT THEY RESTRICT SWIMMING IN THOSE TWO SMALLER LEGS, BUT NOT IN RAY HUBBARD.

RIGHT.

WE WE'VE ASKED THAT QUESTION AND WE'VE GOT MULTIPLE ANSWERS.

AND THEN THERE'S THE LAST ANSWER WE HAVE IS NO, WRITE IT DOWN.

YES, NO, YES, NO.

I THINK WE ENDED ON NO.

AND ANYBODY WHO CHOOSES TO SWIM IN BACHMAN OR WHITE ROCK IS CERTAINLY ON THEIR OWN COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMS. THANKS YOU MR. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

THANK YOU, CHIEF.

UH, JUST FOUR QUICK QUESTIONS, ONE COMMENTARY.

UM, THE MAYOR IS CORRECT ABOUT, ABOUT WHITE ROCK AND WHEN, UH, AND PARTICULARLY WHITE ROCK AND IT'S VERY, VERY STRONGLY ENFORCED NON TWIN CAUSE I KNOW SOMEBODY WHO LIVES OUT THERE AND, UH, THEY THEY'RE VERY VISIBLE.

SO, UH, THAT TAKES US THAT, UM, JUST, JUST, UH, FULL QUICK QUESTION IF ONE IS, AND MAYBE, UH, MR. HESHER MAY WANT TO JOIN YOU ON THIS ONE.

UH, JUST FOR THE PUBLIC COMING IN PARKS, DO WE HAVE OPEN PARKS? WE HAVE IN THE CITY SAYS, CAN YOU COME UP AND THEN I'LL LET YOU KNOW WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS QUESTION.

JUST, JUST BRIEFLY FOR OUR PUBLIC, HOW MANY PARKS THAT WE HAVE IN THIS CITY WHERE WE'VE GOT OPEN VENUES FOR THE SOFTBALL FIELDS, BASEBALL FIELDS, THOSE, YES, SIR.

HOW MANY PARKS? 63 63 PARKS, UH, OVER, UH, APPROXIMATELY, UH, WHAT, UH, WHAT LAND AREA FOR YOU OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD? IT'S PROBABLY IN THE 2,800 ACRES FAMILY.

OKAY.

OKAY.

AND YOUR STAFF SERVICES, ALTHOUGH THE ENTIRE PARK SYSTEM, CORRECT? YES, SIR.

THAT'S CORRECT.

OKAY.

AND CHIEF, UH, YOUR NPOS AND STAFF PROVIDE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, PATROL AND ASSISTANCE, UH, FOR ALL THESE PARKERS, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.

AND I'LL POINT OUT ONE OTHER THING, IF YOU LOOK AT DALLAS AND SAN ANTONIO AND AUSTIN AND CITIES LIKE THAT, THAT YOU MENTIONED, THEY HAVE PARK POLICE.

AND SO THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THIS TASK GROUP.

OKAY.

CHIEF, YOU JUST TOOK AWAY MY NEXT QUESTION AND THAT'S, THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE OUR NEMESIS AT DO HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE PARK POLICE.

SO WE, WE HAVE PULLED THOSE FROM OUR EXISTING RESOURCES THAT CORRECT.

SO IF WE KEPT THIS PARK OPEN THE IMPACT ON THE CITY, IT WOULD DEFINITELY IMPACT BOTH FROM A PARK STANDPOINT AND FROM A PLACE AND FIRE STANDPOINT HAD PULL THOSE RESOURCES FROM ALL OF THOSE OF THE PARKS THAT MR. HESTER TALKED ABOUT, CORRECT? YES, SIR.

THAT'S CORRECT.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, IN YOUR BRIEFING, UH, CHIEF, ONE THING I DIDN'T HEAR, UM, PARTICULARLY IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS, WHAT DOING THIS PARTICULAR, THIS LAST EPISODE, WHAT FEEDBACK WERE YOU GETTING THAT OUR OFFICES GET FROM THE NEIGHBORS TO FOLKS THAT LIVE OVER THERE? I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING.

CAN, CAN YOU SORT OF GIVE US A SENSE OF HOW ALL OF THIS IMPACTING, YOU KNOW, THEIR PSYCHE AND, UH, AND, UM, I'M SURE MR. MOORE HAS FEEDBACK ON THAT AS WELL, BUT, UH, IT WAS NOT FEEDBACK ON WHETHER

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WE SHOULD BE BACK UP.

YOU'VE GOT TO SOLVE THIS ISSUE, RIGHT? WE ARE OVERWHELMED.

THEY'RE PARKING IN THEIR DRIVEWAYS, THEY'RE PARKING IN THEIR GRASS.

UM, THE PEOPLE, ONCE THAT LOCUS GROVE CLOSED DOWN, PEOPLE THAT LIVED IN THE AREA COULDN'T GET HOME.

UM, AND YOU SAW THE ONE PICTURE AND I'LL HAVE TO FIND IT, BUT THE ONE PICTURE OF LOCUST GROVE THAT'S CLOSED.

UM, AND SO EVEN GETTING HOME DOWN LOCUST GROVE, YOU CAN'T MAKE IT HOME BECAUSE YOU'RE IN THAT STOP TRAFFIC.

SO THE FEEDBACK I'VE GOT OVERWHELMINGLY IS YOU'VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING TO FIX THIS ISSUE.

IT'S TAKEN OVER THEIR NEIGHBORS.

OKAY.

AND MY LAST QUESTION TO YOU, CHIEF, IF IN FACT, AND, AND I SUPPORT YOUR RECOMMENDATION BY THE WAY.

UM, BUT INFANT FACT, WE PUT THIS TASK GROUP IN PLACE WHERE ELSES WORK ALL WEEK AND THEY'RE PULLED TO WORK THIS ON A WEEKEND.

WHAT'S THE IMPACT? WELL, OR PERFORMANCE LEVEL.

IF, IF WE'VE GOT OFFICERS WHO DO THAT, FIVE, THE SHIFTS, AND THEN DO THIS ADDITIONAL SHIFT, WHAT'S THE IMPACT ON, ON YOUR, YOUR STAFF? AND WHAT'S THE IMPACT ON YOUR STAFF, MR. HACER, IF THEY HAVE TO COME TOGETHER AND EXECUTE A MASTER PLAN FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM.

WELL, AND MAYBE I DIDN'T EXPLAIN THAT FULLY, BUT I COULD NOT DO IT THAT WAY.

THAT WOULD BE DOING IT ON AN OVERTIME BASIS.

THAT WOULD MEAN THE OFFICERS ARE WORKING SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.

I CANNOT.

SO IT WOULD BE PULLING THEM FROM THEIR CURRENT ASSIGNMENT AND ASSIGNING THEM TO WINTER PARK ON THE WEEKENDS ON FRIDAY, SATURDAY AND SUNDAYS AND ON HOLIDAYS.

UM, SO THEY'D STILL BE WORKING 40 HOURS A WEEK, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO BE WORKING THOSE AT WINDSURF PARK INSTEAD OF IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS.

RIGHT.

SO, AND I WILL ADD THAT THIS IS NOT A POPULAR ASSIGNMENT.

UH, OFFICERS DON'T WANT TO WORK HERE AT TAUGHT IT'S LONG FOR THE MOST PART, IT'S BORING UNTIL IT'S NOT.

UM, BUT IT'S NOT, I CANNOT FEEL THIS WITH OVERTIME, UH, OFFICERS DON'T VOLUNTEER TO WORK THIS ASSIGNMENT.

WE HAVE TO MANDATE THEM TO WORK THE ASSIGNMENT.

OKAY.

THANK YOU, CHIEF.

THANK YOU, MR. HESS, SIR.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

THANKS SIR.

CUSTOMER SMITH.

THANK YOU, MARY.

AND I THINK WE JUST FOUND A LITTLE BUG IN THE SYSTEM.

I, I HAD PUNCHED HIM WAS IN QUEUE TWICE.

YES, BUT IT ONLY APPEARED ON MY SCREEN THE FIRST TIME.

SO I PUNCHED IN AGAIN AND SHOWED UP ON YOURS.

YES, IT DID.

IT, IT SHOWED UP ON MY BRIEFLY AND THEN WENT AWAY.

GOT IT.

OKAY.

A FEW QUESTIONS.

UH, I THINK I MISUNDERSTOOD A LONG TIME AGO WHERE THE BORDERS OF THAT PERMANENT FENCE ARE PERMANENT FENCE.

ARE, CAN YOU SHOW ME ON ONE OF THE, UH, IMAGES WHERE THE EXISTING FENCES CURRENT FENCE? YES, SIR.

BUT I CAN.

UH, SO IF YOU SEE WHAT THOSE, AND I GUESS I DON'T HAVE A GOOD PICTURE, BUT IF YOU SEE WHAT THOSE OFFICERS ARE STANDING, UH, I THINK IT'S A LITTLE NORTH OF THEM.

LET ME SEE IF I HAVE A BETTER PICTURE AND ANDY CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG ON THIS.

WE REFERRING TO THE FENCE THAT WAS INSTALLED THE GATE, THE ENTRY GATE, AS IT LITERALLY JUST ACROSS THE MANAGEMENTS OF THE PARK AND NOWHERE ELSE, IF YOU COME DOWN THE MAIN ENTRANCE, IT WOULD BE ON YOUR RIGHT-HAND SIDE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PEOPLE THAT WERE IN THAT LAST NEIGHBORHOOD HAD ACCESS TO THEIR GATE, THEN IT MAKES A TURN TO THE LEFT AND THEN JOINS UP AT THE BACK OF THEIR FENCE.

UH, THERE THEY'RE RETAINING WALL PRIVACY FENCE, AND THEN THE GATE IS RIGHT THERE.

SO IT ALLOWS SOME ROOM FOR VEHICLES TO QUEUE UP AND COME INSIDE.

BUT THAT THAT'S THE MAIN AREA THAT ENJOINS WITH PRIVATE PROPERTY AT THE ENTRANCE.

AND THEN THERE'S HOMES THAT BACK UP ALL ALONG THE SIDE OF YOUR, ON THE TREES YOU SEE, SO THAT, THAT PREVENTS VEHICULAR ACCESS.

THERE ARE SOME SPOTS WHERE THEY'VE FOUND WORK THEIR WAY IN THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD BETWEEN HOMES AND THAT KIND OF THING.

OKAY.

SO WE DON'T HAVE A TRUE PERIMETER FENCE IN PLACE.

IT'S NOT, NOT COUNTING THE SHORELINE.

THAT'S CORRECT? CORRECT.

OKAY.

UM, QUICK ASIDE, THERE ARE STILL ALLIGATORS IN THAT LAKE, CORRECT? I JUST, IF ANY, WOULD BE SWIMMERS ARE WATCHING AND LARGE ONES HOPE YOU'RE QUICK.

AND FOR HONEST, YES.

SO WE HAVE THAT FENCE IN PLACE, AT LEAST ACROSS THE, THE ENTRANCE OF THE PARK.

AND YOU SHOWED THAT IMAGE OF THE FAMILY THAT GOT OUT AND JUST WALKED ON IN, ARE WE NOT CONTROLLING ON FOOT ACCESS THROUGH THE MAIN ENTRYWAY AS PART OF OUR HEAD COUNT? NO, NO.

WE DID THE PICTURE I WAS SHOWING.

UM, WE, WHEN WE TALKED TO THE FAMILY AND SAID, HEY, YOU'RE PARKED, BLOCKING LOCUST GROVE.

YOU CAN'T PARK HERE.

YOU GOTTA LEAVE.

THEY SAID, OKAY, THANKS.

AND STILL MADE IT TO THE FRONT.

WE HAD TO TURN THEM AWAY AGAIN AT THE, AT THE GATE.

SO THEY WERE TURNED AWAY.

OKAY.

UH, HAVE WE, DO WE HAVE ANYTHING POSTED, UH, AS FAR AS NO PARKING SIGNS GO ON EITHER SIDE OF THE MAIN DRIVE, UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY PROBABLY WOULD HAVE BEEN IGNORED ANYWAY, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.

OKAY.

UH, CAUSE I'M, I'M WONDERING IF, IF NO PARKING SIGNS PLUS ENFORCED TOWING WOULD HELP US KEEP THAT MAIN DRIVE CLEAR FOR EMERGENCY ACCESS.

I THINK IT WOULD NEED TO BE NO PARKING STANDING OR STOPPING BECAUSE MOST OF THOSE CARS ARE STANDING OR STOPPING, SO WE'D HAVE TO DO NO PARKING STANDING OR SOMETHING.

OKAY.

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UH, YOU MENTIONED THAT WE COULD GET, UH, INSTANCE STATISTIC INCIDENT STATISTICS FROM DALLAS PD.

CAN WE GET THOSE I CAN WORK ON YES, SIR.

THANK YOU, SIR.

AND DID WE REACH OUT TO THE RADIO STATION THAT WAS ENCOURAGING LAW, THE LAW BREAKING AND UH, NO, THEY WEREN'T ENCOURAGING LAWBREAKING.

WHAT THEY WERE SAYING WAS THE, THE PARK IS OPEN, YOU KNOW, SO IF YOU WANT A PLACE TO SWIM, HERE'S THE PLACE TO SWIM? UH, NO, I HAVEN'T REACHED OUT TO THE RADIO STATION.

I WAS JUST CURIOUS.

AND I COULDN'T EVEN TELL YOU FOR WHICH ONE IT WAS WHEN WE TALKED TO INDIVIDUALS, THEY SAID, OH, WE HEARD ON THE RADIO.

THIS IS A PLACE THAT COMES WOMEN.

AND, AND THEY MADE THEIR WAY THERE, BUT, WELL, UH, I'M, I'M GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF, UH, OF YOUR PLAN TO CLOSE THE PARK ON WEEKENDS FOR THE TIME BEING.

I STILL THINK THERE'S A FUTURE THERE WITH, UH, WITH PAID ACCESS, ASSUMING WE CAN USE SOME OF THAT REVENUE TO PUT IN A TRUE PERIMETER FENCE.

UH, SO I, I DON'T WANT TO SEE US GIVE UP ON THIS YET, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE IN A CRITICAL POSITION RIGHT NOW.

UH, I RESPECT YOUR RESPECT, YOUR STAFFING NEEDS.

AND, AND I DON'T WANT TO DRAW DOWN 10% OF OUR CITY'S RESPONSE CAPABILITY FOR ONE AMENITY THAT, THAT WE DIDN'T PLAN TO, TO BE THIS BIG.

SO I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND, UH, YOU GUYS HAVE MY SUPPORT.

THANK YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU.

MA'AM THANKS.

SURE.

CUSTOMER ROBYN.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

YEAH, I KIND OF ECHO COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH ON THAT.

IT'S, YOU KNOW, THIS PARK WE'VE TRIED TO KEEP OPEN AND, YOU KNOW, FROM A COUNCIL PERSPECTIVE FOR YEARS, WE'VE, WE'VE CERTAINLY WANTED AN ATTRACTION THAT WOULD BRING THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE TO GARLAND.

UM, AND, AND THEN BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR KIND OF THING.

AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, I, I CONCUR THAT, THAT FOR NOW.

UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THERE'S NOT THE KIND OF THE FIRST THING, IF WE WERE TO REOPEN THE PARK EVER, UM, WOULD BE, THERE HAS TO BE A PERIMETER FENCE.

YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO CONTROL ACCESS TO THE PARK.

WE MIGHT ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT, AT CREATING A SECOND INGRESS EGRESS OPTION.

AND, UH, AND I, I DON'T THINK WE KNOW WHAT THE TWO, DO WE KNOW WHAT THE TOLLWAY AUTHORITY PLAN IS FOR COMING THROUGH THIS AREA? I DON'T THINK WE EVEN KNOW THE ALIGNMENT YET OF, I THINK WE HAVE A GENERAL IDEA, BUT TO KNOW WHAT KIND OF IMPACT IT'S GOING TO HAVE ON THIS PARK.

NO, SIR.

YEAH.

I MEAN, FROM A TRANSPORTATION PERSPECTIVE, IT'S LIKE, UNTIL THEY ACTUALLY TELL YOU EXACTLY WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE AND WHAT THE EXITS ARE GOING TO BE, I MEAN, YOU COULD TOTALLY CHANGE IT.

YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE LIKE, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO PUT THE WORD TO PUT THIS RIGHT NEXT TO THIS PARK AND WE'LL GIVE YOU A, YEAH, WE'LL GIVE YOU A RAMP INTO IT OR SOMETHING THAT, THAT CHANGES THE WORLD.

BUT AS IT STANDS, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE, NO, SIR, WE DON'T HAVE THAT KIND OF INFORMATION.

UM, BUT, BUT I WOULDN'T MIND HEARING.

SO I THINK WE PROBABLY SHOULD GO WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATION, KEEPS THE PARK CLOSE FOR NOW, AND THEN START LOOKING FROM A COUNCIL PERSPECTIVE AT OTHER OPTIONS, WHAT THE COSTS WOULD BE.

AND I THINK THE REALITY IS, IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAYBE GET SOME INPUT OR SOME CREATIVE THING FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, UM, YOU KNOW, OR GET A REAL BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE AGREEMENT IS WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS AND THE TAKE LINE AND, AND HOW WE CAN WORK AROUND THAT.

AND IF THIS IS GOING TO BE A PARK, UM, THAT, THAT, THAT RETAINS SOME KIND OF BEACH ACCESS OR WHATEVER I THINK WE REALLY HAVE TO LOOK AT, AND THIS IS WHY I SAID, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT CHARGING PEOPLE.

I MEAN, I THINK IF YOU CHARGE PEOPLE EVEN A NOMINAL AMOUNT, FOR ONE THING, THEY WILL TREAT IT BETTER.

I THINK THAT'S JUST THE REALITY OF HOW PEOPLE ARE.

IF YOU CHARGE THEM SOME NOMINAL AMOUNT, THEY WILL TREAT IT BETTER AND, AND VALUE THE EXPERIENCE MORE.

AND A LOT OF PEOPLE, WE WON'T HAVE THAT ISSUE WITH, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S REALISTIC OR NOT, BUT YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE GOAL BECOMES, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT IF WE ONLY HAVE A THOUSAND PEOPLE IN THE PARK OR WHAT IF THIS, OR WHAT IF THAT, AND WE REALLY DO CONTROL IT AND WE CONTROL THE, THE ROAD ACCESS.

AND I THINK THAT TAKES A PLAN.

I MEAN, YOU GET YOUR CAR TOWED ONCE AND CHANCES ARE, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PLAY THAT GAME AGAIN.

AND I'D BE INCLINED TO TAKE THAT KIND OF ROUTE OF, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST GONNA LINE UP THE RECORDS AND IF YOU DON'T MOVE YOUR CAR IMMEDIATELY, WHETHER YOU'RE IN THE CAR OR NOT, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GOING TO HAUL IT OFF AND IT'S GOING TO COST YOU $250 TO GET IT OUT.

I MEAN, I HATE TO BE LIKE THAT, BUT I KIND OF FEEL LIKE THERE ARE SOME THINGS SOMETIMES WHERE YOU HAVE TO TAKE SOME, LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT WE'RE REALLY SERIOUS ABOUT ACCESS TO THE PARK.

SO ANYWAY, THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS ON IT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CHIEF.

I APPRECIATE IT.

APPRECIATE, AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT, YOU KNOW, THE PARK STAFF AND POLICE STAFF HAVE DONE TO TRY AND MAKE THIS PARK USABLE AND ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYONE.

AND, UH, IT MAKES ME VERY SAD THAT, UM, THAT WE JUST, IT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO.

SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

MA'AM THANKS, SIR.

CUSTOMER WILLIAMS. THANK YOU, MARY.

HOW ABOUT A QUESTION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY AND

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CITY ATTORNEY? TELL ME IF I SHOULDN'T HAVE ASKED THIS QUESTION, TELL ME NOT TO ASK IT ALL RIGHT.

UM, BUT DOWN THE ROAD, IT'S A POTTER, UH, AS COUNCILMAN ALVIN MENTIONED, LOOKING AT THE AGREEMENT AND ET CETERA, IF, AND I'M USING THAT, IF IT'S A BIG WORD, IF, UM, WE LOOKED AT THE AGREEMENT AND THE CITY OF DALLAS WERE TO AGREE TO, UH, PLAY SOME RESTRICTIONS ON SWIMMING ACCESS IN THAT PORTION, IN THE WATER OUT