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[00:00:05]

ALL RIGHT, WE'RE ABOUT TO BE ON.

[Call to Order]

WORK SESSION FOR THE GARLAND CITY COUNCIL.

JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK HOUSEKEEPING THINGS.

THIS IS OUR FIRST IN-PERSON MEETING IN ALMOST A YEAR AND A HALF.

SO WE THIS IS OLD AND NEW TO US ALL.

AT THE SAME TIME, WE DO HAVE SOME NEW TECHNOLOGY AND SOME NEW GADGETS, IF YOU WILL.

BUT HOPEFULLY WE'VE DONE ENOUGH TESTING AND RUN THROUGH THAT, THAT EVERYTHING WILL RUN SMOOTHLY TONIGHT.

BUT PLEASE BE PATIENT IF WE DO HAVE SOME SORT OF TECHNICAL ISSUE COME UP.

AND SPEAKING OF THAT, WE HAVE WE HAVE A NEW SYSTEM FOR SPEAKERS.

WE ARE TRYING TO MOVE AWAY FROM THE YELLOW SPEAKER CARDS.

WE HAVE THE KIOSKS OUT FRONT, WHICH WE DON'T NEED THIS EVENING.

BUT WE WILL ALSO, EVEN THOUGH WE ARE MEETING IN PERSON, WE ARE STILL ALLOWING FOR ZOOM SPEAKERS TO BE INVOLVED IN OUR MEETINGS AS WELL.

AND SO WE'VE KIND OF HAD TO CHANGE UP OUR PROCEDURES A LITTLE BIT.

AND CITY SECRETARY.

THANK YOU, MAYOR LEMAY. THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

I DON'T THINK YOUR MIC'S ON.

ON NOW. THERE, WE GO. THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK IS GIVEN TO PROVIDE TESTIMONY RATHER THAN TO QUESTION THE CITY COUNCIL OR STAFF.

THE CHAIR MAY CALL A SPEAKER OUT OF ORDER IF THE SPEAKER PRESENTS QUESTIONS OR REQUESTS FOR INFORMATION THAT WILL UNDULY DELAY THE TRANSACTION OF BUSINESS.

AT THE MEETING.

SPEAKERS APPEARING IN THE CHAMBER WILL SPEAK FIRST AND THE VIRTUAL SPEAKERS WILL FOLLOW.

SPEAKERS SHALL BE ALLOWED TO SPEAK ON A FIRST COME FIRST TO SPEAK BASIS AS DETERMINED BY THE ORDER IN WHICH THE CITY SECRETARY RECEIVES THE SPEAKER'S INFORMATION.

FOR VIRTUAL SPEAKERS, PLEASE USE THE RAISE YOUR HAND FEATURE ON ZOOM.

IF YOU ARE DIALING IN FOR AUDIO, YOU MAY PRESS STAR NINE IN ORDER TO BE RECOGNIZED BY THE MODERATOR. ONCE THE LINE IS OPEN, THE SPEAKER CAN PRESS STAR SIX TO UNMUTE.

SPEAKERS WILL BE ALLOWED THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

WHEN THE PODIUM BUZZER SOUNDS, THE SPEAKER MUST END THEIR COMMENTS.

VIRTUAL SPEAKERS WILL BE INFORMED BY THE CLERK WHEN THEIR TIME HAS ELAPSED.

VERY GOOD. AND ALSO A LITTLE BIT OF A CHANGE TO OUR PROCEDURE.

[Mayoral Proclamations, Recognitions and Announcements]

THE CITY SECRETARY WILL ANNOUNCE THE SPEAKERS RATHER THAN MYSELF.

SO THAT WILL BE SOMETHING WE WILL USE MOVING FORWARD WITH US AND WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS WELL. SO ALL THAT BEING SAID, LET'S GET INTO OUR AGENDA.

FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT IS PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR WORK SESSION ITEMS. I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THAT.

BUT I WILL ASK IF THERE IS ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON WORK SESSION AGENDA ITEMS? ALL RIGHT, SEEING NONE WE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH ITEM TWO CONSIDER THE CONSENT AGENDA.

THIS WILL BE FOR TOMORROW NIGHT.

I HAVE NOT SEEN OR HEARD OF ANY REQUEST TO HAVE ANY ITEMS PULLED AND CONSIDERED SEPARATELY. BUT OBVIOUSLY, IF YOU DO HAVE SOMETHING THAT COMES UP BEFORE THEN, IF YOU CAN GIVE US A HEADS UP AND THAT WAY, WE CAN MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE APPROPRIATE STAFF HERE TO ADDRESS IT. AND THAT WILL MOVE US TO ITEM THREE WRITTEN BRIEFINGS.

ITEM THREE A 2021 CIP BUDGET AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE.

ALL RIGHT, AND THAT IS ALL THE WRITTEN BRIEFINGS, NEXT IS OUR VERBAL BRIEFINGS.

ITEM 4A WINDSURF BAY PARK.

GIVE THAT A SHOT. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? THERE WE GO. ALL I'VE GOT TO DO IS PUSH THE RIGHT BUTTON.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

AS MOST OF YOU ARE AWARE OF, WE'VE HAD SOME CHALLENGES WITH WINDSURF BAY PARK.

WE'VE HAD SOME I KNOW WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF DISCUSSIONS OVER THE PAST MANY YEARS AND INCLUDING RECENTLY, BUT WE'VE HAD SOME RECENT CHALLENGES IN THE PAST FEW WEEKS.

SO I KNOW CHIEF BRYAN WITH POLICE, CHIEF LEE WITH FIRE AND THEN ANDY HESSER AND MATT TONIGHT. SO CHIEF BRYAN IS GOING TO COME UP AND DO THE PRESENTATION.

BUT THEN, OF COURSE, WE HAVE ALL OF THOSE STAFF MEMBERS HERE IN CASE YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. VERY GOOD.

[00:05:02]

GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. GOOD EVENING.

I WILL SAY THAT WHEN I PUT THIS PRESENTATION TOGETHER AND SAVED IT TO MY COMPUTER, IT WAS KIND OF DISHEARTENING TO SEE FOUR OTHER PRESENTATIONS TITLED WINDSURF PARK CITY COUNCIL.

BUT IT DID REMIND ME OF WHAT WE HAVE DONE TO COME UP TO TO TODAY.

AND JUST A PART OF OUR NEW EQUIPMENT COUNCIL.

IF YOU GO TO PRESENTATION, YOU WILL HAVE THE PRESENTATION ON THE MONITOR IN FRONT OF YOU.

I, I KNOW THIS.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS AND IT'S NEW, BUT HOPEFULLY WE ALL GET TO THAT SCREEN.

GO AHEAD. READY? YES, SIR. SO I'M GOING TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT THREE DIFFERENT STEPS HERE.

ONE, I'M GOING TO I KNOW WE HAVE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS SINCE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WINDSURF PARK. SO I'M GOING TO GIVE A OVERVIEW OF THE HISTORY OF THE PROBLEMS WE'VE SEEN AT WINDSURF PARK. AND THEN I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT OUR CURRENT PLAN, OUR CURRENT PLAN FOR THIS SUMMER AND OUR CURRENT PLAN THAT IS TO GO INTO EFFECT NEXT SUMMER.

AND I'LL GO AHEAD AND TELL YOU THAT WE'VE SEEN CHANGES AT WINDSURF PARK AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THOSE. BUT WHY I THINK OUR CURRENT PLAN THIS SUMMER AND OUR PLAN NEXT SUMMER IS NOT GOING TO WORK. WE HAVE OTHER ISSUES THAT HAVE COME UP.

AND THEN FINALLY, I'LL TALK ABOUT MY RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PARK. SO GO OVER AND OVER THE HISTORY.

IT WAS 2016 WHEN WE STARTED SEEING ISSUES AT THE PARK.

THIS WAS ABOUT THE TIME THAT COINCIDES WITH OTHER PARKS AND OTHER LOCATIONS CLOSING ACROSS THE LAKE, THE ONE BIG PARK IN ROCKWALL THAT HAS THAT NEW DEVELOP CLOSED.

AND THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER PLACES IT CLOSED AND WINDSURF PARK WAS KIND OF A SECLUDED SECRET LOCATION.

WELL, THAT WORD GOT OUT SO AND IN 2016 IS WHEN WE REALLY STARTED SEEING THE CROWDS SHOW UP. AND JULY 4, 2016, WE'RE ESTIMATING WE HAD ABOUT 5000 PEOPLE INSIDE THE PARK.

NOW WE STAFF THAT PARK AS IF WE WOULD HAVE STAFFED A SPECIAL EVENT.

SO WE HAD 14 OFFICERS INSIDE THE PARK.

WE HAD 10 PARK STAFF WORKING TRAFFIC AND WORKING PARKING.

AND THEN WE HAD ADDITIONAL STAFF OUTSIDE OF THE PARK IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD DEALING WITH THE TRAFFIC ISSUES. 2017 WE SAW SIMILAR NUMBERS.

WE SAW ANOTHER FIVE THOUSAND PEOPLE IN 2017.

AND AGAIN, WE PUT A LOT OF RESOURCES OUT AT THE PARK ON JULY 4TH, 2017.

MEMORIAL DAY, 2018 IS WHEN WE REALLY SAW NUMBERS EXPLODE.

NOW JULY 4TH IS USUALLY OUR BUSIEST, OUR BUSIEST DAY DURING THE SUMMER AND IT'S USUALLY LATER IN THE SUMMER THAT WE SEE THE NUMBERS INCREASE.

BUT MEMORIAL DAY, 2018, WE SAW APPROXIMATELY EIGHT THOUSAND PEOPLE IN THE PARK AND IT JUST OVERWHELMED US.

THAT PARK IS NOT BUILT FOR TWENTY FIVE HUNDRED PEOPLE, MUCH LESS EIGHT THOUSAND PEOPLE.

AND SO NOT ONLY DID OVERWHELM THE PARKING INSIDE THE PARK, WHICH IS DESIGNED TO PARK 500 VEHICLES, IT OVERWHELMED THE FILM.

THE FIELD THAT WE HAD PEOPLE PARKING IN.

IT OVERWHELMED THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE HAD PEOPLE PARKING AS FAR AS ZION ROAD AND THE THE SERVICE ROAD I30 AND AND LUGGING GRILLS AND LUGGING COOLERS A MILE OR LONGER TO GET INTO THE PARK.

SO IT'S JUST WE WERE EXPECTING AT THAT POINT CLOSE TO TEN THOUSAND PEOPLE ON JULY 4TH, 2018. AND SO THE CITY CLOSED THE PARK WITH A STRONG ENCOURAGEMENT FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. IT JUST WE HAD TO COME UP WITH A BETTER PLAN.

[Consent Agenda]

TEN THOUSAND PEOPLE IN THAT PARK IS JUST TOO MANY PEOPLE.

AND SO FOLLOWING THAT 2018 INTO THE SEASON OF 2019, WE INTRODUCED THE CITY ORDINANCE THAT ALLOWED THE POLICE CHIEF TO CLOSE THE PARK ONCE THE PARK HIT TWENTY FIVE HUNDRED PEOPLE.

AND SO I'LL SHOW YOU A COUPLE OF SLIDES HERE.

THIS SLIDE, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA WHAT EIGHT THOUSAND PEOPLE LOOK LIKE AT WINDSURF PARK. THE SHORELINE IS COMPLETELY COVERED IN PEOPLE, THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE INSIDE SWIMMING.

JUST HUGE NUMBERS THAT THAT YEAR.

JUST A REMINDER OF OUR ORDINANCE.

AND WE DON'T HAVE I DON'T HAVE TO DWELL ON THIS UNLESS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, BUT THE ORDINANCE LIMITS THE NUMBER TO TWENTY FIVE HUNDRED PEOPLE.

AND THEN IF THE PARKS DEPARTMENT NOTIFIES ME AND THEN AT THAT POINT WE CLOSE THE PARK.

SO CONTINUING WITH THE HISTORY OF MEMORIAL DAY, 2019 IS WHEN WE FIRST TESTED THAT CITY ORDINANCE. SO WE DID CLOSE THE PARK THAT DAY WHEN WE REACHED TWENTY FIVE HUNDRED PEOPLE, WE HAD A LARGE STAFF OUT THERE, BOTH INSIDE AND OUTSIDE THE PARK MANAGING THAT CROWD, NOT JUST THE TWENTY FIVE HUNDRED PEOPLE THAT SHOWED UP, BUT THE THREE THOUSAND OR MORE PEOPLE THAT WE TURNED AWAY.

JULY 4TH, 2019.

SAME THING. WE MANAGED THE PARK, CAPPED IT AT TWENTY FIVE HUNDRED AND THEN MANAGED.

THE ADDITIONAL PEOPLE THAT SHOWED UP OUTSIDE.

[00:10:04]

NOW THIS VIDEO I PULLED, THIS IS AN OLDER VIDEO.

THIS WAS JULY 4TH, 2016.

SO I WANTED TO SHOW COUNCIL JUST TO REMIND YOU WHAT FIVE THOUSAND PEOPLE LOOKS LIKE IN THE PARK. THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS IF YOU'LL PAY ATTENTION TO.

ONE IS, IS THE PARKING.

NOW THEY'RE PARKED IN THE FIELD.

BUT IF YOU LOOK, THEY'RE PARKED ORDERLY.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S A NICE UNIFORM PARKING.

AND I'M GOING TO POINT OUT WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT A LITTLE LATER IN MY PRESENTATION.

BUT ON THIS DAY, WE HAD ABOUT 10 STAFF PARKING PEOPLE INTO THAT FIELD.

IT WAS A NICE DAY. THERE WAS NO ISSUES WITH THE GRASS.

AND SO I'LL PLAY THIS, WHOOPS, WENT TOO FAR.

SO AGAIN, THIS IS 2016.

THERE'S ABOUT 5000 PEOPLE IN THE PARK AT THIS TIME.

THAT'S THE ONE HOUSE THAT'S LOCATED ON THE FAR END OF THE PARK.

WE CREATED AN ADDITIONAL DRIVE THERE.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE CARS COMING IN.

SO THEY'RE NOT COMING ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE PARK TO GET TO THE PARKING SPACES.

AND YOU SEE THE ROADWAY THERE, HOW CLEAR IT IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S THERE'S NO PARKING ON THAT ROADWAY. THERE'S VEHICLES TRAVELING, BUT THERE'S NO PARKING.

THERE'S A PART OF THE PARK RIGHT HERE IS WHERE PEOPLE CAN ENTER THE PARK BY WALKING FROM THE SHORELINE INTO THE WATER, AS YOU GO DOWN THE PARK AND YOU'LL SEE THE CAMERA PAN, IT GETS STEEPER. AND WHAT WE SEE IS PEOPLE BRINGING LADDERS.

AND THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THEY CAN ACCESS THE WATER AS THEY CLIMB DOWN THESE LADDERS AND GET INTO THE WATER. THERE'S A LADDER THERE.

SO THAT'S JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT 5000 PEOPLE LOOK LIKE IN THE PARK.

NOW THIS PARK, EVEN THOUGH PEOPLE COME THERE TO SWIM, IT'S NOT DESIGNED AS A SWIMMING PARK. IT IS JUST HAPPENS TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE WATER.

THERE'S NO DESIGNATING SWIMMING AREAS.

THERE'S NO DESIGNATED BOATING AREAS.

SO WHAT YOU SEE IS INTERMIX OF BOATERS AND SWIMMERS.

ALSO, ANOTHER CHALLENGING PART OF THIS IS THE PARK BELONGS TO THE CITY OF GARLAND.

THE WATER BELONGS TO THE CITY OF DALLAS.

SO ANY VIOLATIONS, ANY BOATING VIOLATIONS, ANY SAFETY VIOLATIONS THAT OCCUR IN THE WATER BELONGS TO THE CITY OF DALLAS.

ANY ENFORCEMENT IN THE PARK BELONGS TO THE CITY OF GARLAND.

AND SO CONTINUE WITH THE HISTORY OF MEMORIAL DAY 2019 AND JULY 4, 2019.

[10. Consider the Appointment of a Mayor Pro Tem and Deputy Mayor Pro Tem]

WE CAPPED THE PARK AT TWENTY FIVE HUNDRED PEOPLE AND AGAIN, WE TREATED THIS AS IT WAS A SPECIAL EVENT. WE HAD 14 OFFICERS INSIDE, A NUMBER OF OFFICERS OUTSIDE ADDRESSING THE ISSUES. NOW, THESE ARE THE THREE KIND OF FINALIZED SOLUTIONS THAT WE DISCUSSED, I THINK IT WAS ABOUT A YEAR AGO ABOUT HOW ARE WE GOING TO HANDLE THIS PARK? ONE SOLUTION WAS TO CLOSE THE PARK.

AND NOW IT'S A BIG DISCUSSION.

IN FACT, WE DID CLOSE THE PARK AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A MINUTE.

AND JULY FOURTH IN 2019 OR 2018, WE CLOSED THE PARK.

SO THAT WAS ONE DISCUSSION.

SUNNYVILLE HAS A SIMILAR PARK DOWN THE ROAD THAT'S A LITTLE BIT SMALLER.

THEY HAVE CLOSED THE PARK THEIR PARK, BUT IT'S NOT NEAR THE SIZE OF THE GARLAND PARK.

THE SECOND TOPIC THAT WE DISCUSSED WAS TO LIMIT WATER ACCESS.

AND AGAIN, THAT ATTRACTION TO THIS PARK IS THE WATER ACCESS.

IF YOU TAKE AWAY THAT ONE FACTOR, THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK.

BUT THE FACT THAT YOU CAN COME TO THIS PARK AND GET INTO THE WATER IS WHAT DRAWS PEOPLE NOT ONLY FROM THE REGION, BUT WE HAD PEOPLE FROM ARKANSAS.

WE HAD PEOPLE FROM OUT OF STATE DRIVING TO HOLD THEIR FAMILY EVENT AT WINDSURF PARK.

IT'S IT'S A WAY FOR THEM TO GET INTO THE WATER.

SO ONE DISCUSSION WE HAD WAS TO LIMIT ACCESS TO WHERE ITS LIMITS THE POSSIBILITY OF SWIMMING IN THE PARK. AND THEN THE OTHER OPTION WAS ADMISSION FEES.

NOW, THIS IS THE OPTION WE ULTIMATELY ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH AT THIS TIME IS TO CHARGE ADMISSION FEES INTO THE PARK NOW.

AND I WON'T GET INTO THE DETAILS.

AND I'VE GOT THE CITY ATTORNEY HERE IF THERE'S QUESTIONS ON THIS.

BUT THERE ARE LAWS BECAUSE THE PARK BELONGS TO GARLAND AND THE LAKE BELONGS TO DALLAS.

WHATEVER RULES WE MAKE FOR ADMISSION FEES FOR THE CITY OF GARLAND, RESIDENTS ALSO HAVE TO APPLY TO CITY OF DALLAS RESIDENTS.

SO IF YOU SEE FREE FOR CITY OF GARLAND RESIDENTS AND DALLAS RESIDENTS AND YOU THINK, WELL, WHY IS IT FREE FOR DALLAS RESIDENTS, IT'S BECAUSE OF THAT UNIQUE RELATIONSHIP THERE BETWEEN THE PARK AND THE WATER.

AND SO THE DECISION WAS MADE TO CHARGE AN ADMISSION INTO THE PARK, TO STAFF THE PARK AND

[00:15:04]

TO MAKE THIS ADMISSION FREE TO GARLAND RESIDENTS AND TO DALLAS RESIDENTS.

I CAN TELL YOU WE DID A PRETTY THOROUGH SAMPLE THIS YEAR.

SO FAR, MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT VISIT THIS PARK ARE DALLAS RESIDENTS.

THERE ARE SOME GARLAND RESIDENTS.

THERE ARE RESIDENTS FROM OTHER CITIES.

BUT THE VAST MAJORITY ON THE WEEKENDS, ON THE BUSY WEEKENDS ARE RESIDENTS OF DALLAS.

SO USING THIS TO IMPACT THE CROWDS, I'M NOT SURE THAT IT'S GOING TO HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE

[11. Mayor Appointments]

CROWDS BECAUSE MOST OF THESE PEOPLE ARE FROM GARLAND ARE FROM DALLAS.

SO SUMMER 2020, YOU KNOW, WE STARTED TO SEE BIG CROWDS IN THE PARK, BUT THIS IS WHEN COVID WAS REALLY RAMPING UP FOLLOWING THE GUIDELINES FROM THE CDC.

SO FOR COVID REASONS, THE PARK WAS CLOSED FOR MOST OF THE SUMMER OF 2020.

AND THEN WE MOVED TO 2021 AND NOW JUNE 12TH AND 13TH.

IT WAS THE FIRST DAY THIS SUMMER.

THAT WAS A NICE DAY.

YOU KNOW, IT RAINED ALL OF MAY, IT RAINED THE FIRST OF JUNE.

SO THIS WAS THE FIRST NICE DAY WE COULD KIND OF JUDGE WHAT KIND OF CROWDS ARE SHOWING UP AND WE REACHED CAPACITY.

IT WAS A SURPRISE TO US.

THESE ARE NUMBERS THAT WE'VE SEEN ON THE HOLIDAYS, ON THE PAST YEARS.

WE WERE HOPING THAT THE WORD WOULD SLOWLY LEAK OUT.

WE WOULDN'T SEE THESE HUGE NUMBERS.

BUT HERE, JUNE 12TH, 13TH, THE FIRST WEEKEND, WE MAX CAPACITY.

ALSO, BECAUSE OF THE RAINS, WE COULD NOT PARK PEOPLE IN THE FIELD.

AND SO IT FLOODED.

THEY FLOODED THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH PARKING.

WE HAD THEY OVERWHELM THE PARKING IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS BECAUSE WE ONLY HAD THE LIMITED FIVE HUNDRED SPOTS INSIDE THE PARK.

SO THAT WAS THAT WEEKEND.

AND THEN THE FOLLOWING WEEKEND, FATHER'S DAY IS WHEN WE REACHED TWENTY FIVE HUNDRED AND THEN ANOTHER, WE TURNED AWAY ANOTHER THREE THOUSAND PEOPLE FROM THE PARK.

I'LL TALK MORE ABOUT THAT IN A MINUTE.

HERE'S JUST A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF EXPENSES, AND THAT'S KIND OF SMALL AND HARD TO READ.

I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. BUT OVER THE PAST FOUR YEARS, THIS IS KIND OF AN ESTIMATE IN POLICE OVERTIME AND PARKS OVER TIME THAT WE'VE SPENT FOR EACH SUMMER.

I THINK 2019 PROBABLY GIVES YOU THE BEST IDEA, POLICE OVERTIME AND PARKS OVERTIME THAT

[Items 12A & 12B]

WE'VE SPENT. NOW, KEEP IN MIND, THOUGH, THIS IS HOLIDAY WEEKENDS ONLY.

THIS IS NOT EVERY WEEKEND.

THIS IS WHAT WE SPENT A MANAGING MEMORIAL DAY, LABOR DAY, JULY 4TH WEEKEND.

SO FATHER'S DAY 2021, SO IT WAS ABOUT 4:00 THAT WE REACHED CAPACITY AND AND AT ONE O'CLOCK WE WERE ABOUT 1500 PEOPLE.

AND SO FROM ONE O'CLOCK TO DARK, WE HAD ANOTHER FIVE THOUSAND FOUR THOUSAND PEOPLE SHOW UP. AND WHAT WE LEARN LATER IS THAT A RADIO STATION HAD BROADCAST AS WINDSURF PARK AS A PLACE TO GO FOR SWIMMING.

SO WHATEVER SECRET WE HAD IN PLACE WAS THEN OUT AND WE SAW THIS HUGE MASS, A FLOOD OF PEOPLE COMING. SO WE REACHED CAPACITY AND CLOSED THE PARK ABOUT 4:00 P.M.

NOW, AT THE TIME, WE HAD FOUR OFFICERS AND ONE PARK STAFF THERE TO MANAGE THIS MESS AND THEY WERE QUICKLY OVERWHELMED.

I'VE INCLUDED THESE TWO PICTURES TO TO MAKE A POINT OF IF YOU LOOK ON THE LEFT PICTURE, MY LEFT, THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE DON'T HAVE PARK STAFF TO PARK VEHICLES.

AND SO WE HAD ONE PARK STAFF AT THE ENTRANCE MANAGING THE GATES, BUT WE DID NOT HAVE THE FIVE TO 10 PARK STAFF PARKING VEHICLES IN THE PARKING LOT.

SO WHAT HAPPENED IS THEY THEY PARK ON BOTH SIDES.

THEY PARKED ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROADWAY AND THEY CREATED THIS FUNNEL.

AND AND THEN YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT, WHICH IS FROM 2016.

AND I MET WITH MY STAFF THE MONDAY AFTER FATHER'S DAY AND WE DISCUSSED THIS IN DETAIL.

BUT IS PARKING, WE HAVE TO HAVE PARKING.

THE BIGGEST CONCERN WE HAVE WITH THIS PARK IS THAT LIMITED INGRESS AND EGRESS.

SO WE HAVE TO MANAGE THAT PARKING IN ORDER TO OPEN THOSE ROADWAYS OR YOU'LL HAPPEN WHAT WE HAD HAPPENED ON ON FATHER'S DAY.

AND WHAT HAPPENED IS ONCE WE CLOSED THE PARK, A FIGHT BROKE OUT BETWEEN TWO GROUPS OF YOUNG MEN AND THIS FIGHT ESCALATED INTO A BRAWL.

THEY USE MACHETES, THEY USE HAMMERS, AND EVENTUALLY IT LED TO GUNFIRE.

AND SO THE PICTURE YOU SEE ON THE LEFT IS A SQUAD CAR THAT RUNNING CODE THREE TRYING TO GET TO TO THE FIGHT AND TO THE LOCATION ABOUT THREE QUARTERS OF THE WAY DOWN.

HE'S MET WITH PEOPLE FLEEING THE PARK.

AND SO NOW YOU JUST GOT A TRAFFIC JAM.

SO THEY HAVE TO ABANDON THEIR VEHICLES AND MAKE THEIR WAY ON FOOT.

SO, AGAIN, IT'S CRUCIAL AND ANDY AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS, TOO, LAST WEEK IS WE'VE GOT TO MANAGE PARKING. WE CANNOT THE ONE INGRESS AND EGRESS WE HAVE, WE CANNOT ALLOW PEOPLE TO PARK ON BOTH SIDES, WHICH WILL GO INTO OUR STAFFING ISSUES.

EVENTUALLY THAT FIGHT, WE PUT OUT AN ASSIST AND WE SENT IN OUR SAFE STREETS TASK FORCE.

AND JUST TO TO REMIND YOU, EVERY SUMMER WE IMPLEMENT THE SAFE STREETS TASK FORCE.

[00:20:04]

WE BRING IN OFFICERS FROM DIFFERENT UNITS.

WE CREATE THIS TASK FORCE.

SO WE HAVE THIS ADDITIONAL FORCE OUT ON THE STREETS IN THE SUMMER IN ORDER TO COMBAT VIOLENT CRIMES. THE SUMMER EVENINGS ARE OUR MOST ACTIVE EVENINGS.

AND SO WE HAVE THIS TASK GROUP TO TO DEAL WITH THAT ISSUE.

SO WE ENDED UP SENDING THE TASK GROUP TO THIS FIGHT AND THIS IS THEM RESPONDING, BUT THEY COULDN'T MAKE IT THERE BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC JAM.

ONCE WE FINALLY GET IN THERE, THE WEAPONS HAD BEEN HIDDEN.

THE FIGHT HAD DISPERSED.

AT THAT POINT, NO ONE WAS HIT BY THE GUNFIRE.

AND THEN THE PARAMEDICS RESPOND TO TREAT THE WOUNDED.

WE HAD NO LIFE THREATENING INJURIES.

WE DID HAVE LACERATIONS AND BRUISES AND SOME KNOCKED OUT TEETH, BUT NO LIFE THREATENING INJURIES. BUT EVEN THAT FIRE DEPARTMENT HAD TO PARK AND WALK DOWN TO GET TO THE INTO THE INCIDENT AND TO TREAT PEOPLE.

SO, AGAIN, IF THIS WAS A MASS CASUALTY EVENT OR IF SOMEONE WAS SIGNIFICANTLY INJURED, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WOULD TREAT THEM.

I DON'T KNOW HOW AN AMBULANCE COULD BACK OUT OF THIS PARK UNLESS WE SEND IN A HELICOPTER.

SO THAT'S INSIDE THE PARK.

TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, THIS IS OUTSIDE THE PARK, SO OUTSIDE THE PARK.

AND LET ME SAY TOO IF YOU SEE THE TIME THIS IS PULLED FROM BODY WORN CAMERA, BUT THAT TIME IS TAKEN FROM THE AXON SYSTEM AND THE WAY AXON STAMPS THEIR SYSTEM, IT'S IT'S ONE TIME ACROSS ALL TIME ZONE.

SO THIS IS NOT LOCAL TIME.

SO THIS IS AROUND FOUR O'CLOCK.

THE OFFICER IS WALKING DOWN LOCUST GROVE AND HE'S KNOCKING ON CAR WINDOWS AND HE'S SAYING, HEY, THE PARK IS CLOSED.

YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO TURN AROUND AND LEAVE.

AND EVERY PERSON HE TALKS TO HAS A REASON.

OH, I'VE LEFT MY FAMILY IN THERE.

I'VE GOT TO GET MEDICATION THAT'S IN THERE.

I'VE DROPPED MY KIDS OFF, THAT'S IN THERE AND NO ONE IS LEAVING.

AND SO HE'S TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO LEAVE.

HE'S TRYING TO CLEAR THE ROADWAY, BUT NO ONE IS LEAVING.

AND NOW HE'S WALKED ALL THE WAY TO PENINSULA WAY.

AND THIS IS HIM LOOKING BACK AT ALL THE CARS HE'S TALKED TO AND THEY'RE STILL PARKED THERE. SO THAT'S KIND OF NEW FOR US.

YOU KNOW, WE'VE MANAGED THE OUTSIDE ISSUES BEFORE, BUT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN PRETTY GOOD AT LEAVING. BUT FOR WHATEVER REASON, THIS DAY, THEY WEREN'T LEAVING.

I INCLUDED THIS PICTURE BECAUSE HERE IS A FAMILY, THE OFFICER HAS WALKED BY, HAS KNOCKED ON THE WINDOW, HAS TOLD THEM THE PARK IS CLOSED.

YOU'LL HAVE TO TURN AROUND.

THE FAMILY SAYS, OK, THANKS, AND THEN THEY UNLOAD THEIR CAR AND HEAD TO THE PARK.

SO NOW THE OFFICER IS BACK AT THE GATES AND YOU CAN STILL SEE PEOPLE COMING.

NOW, SOMETHING ELSE NEW THIS YEAR IS, IS THESE PEOPLE, WHEN THEY'RE TURNED AWAY AT THE GATE, THEN THEY WALK BACK INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WHEN THEY GET BACK INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY'RE CROSSING PRIVATE PROPERTY, THEY'RE CUTTING THROUGH HOUSES.

AND WE EVEN HAD A GROUP THAT TOOK MACHETES.

AND I'LL SHOW YOU THE CUL-DE-SAC HERE IN A MINUTE WHERE THEY CUT A PATH IN THE WOODS TO GET TO THE PARK. AND THEN ONCE THEY GOT TO THE PARK, THEY CUT DOWN TREES BEHIND THAT HOUSE TO CREATE A PICNIC AREA.

THAT WAS SOMETHING NEW WE HAVEN'T SEEN BEFORE.

SO AND AGAIN, THESE ARE NUMBERS WE WERE SEEING ON HOLIDAYS IN THE PAST.

[Items 12C & 12D]

NOW WE'RE SEEING THESE EVERY WEEKEND AND WE CAN EXPECT THIS EVERY WEEKEND.

SO NOW WE HAVE TO PLAN EVERY WEEKEND.

I INCLUDED A PICTURE OF THE CURTIS CULWELL CENTER JUST TO MAKE A POINT.

BUT WE HAVE TO HANDLE THIS AS A SPECIAL EVENT THAT IS OCCURRING EVERY WEEKEND.

WE ARE DRAWING FIVE TO EIGHT TO TEN THOUSAND PEOPLE INTO THIS SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO WE NEED A TRAFFIC PLAN.

WE NEED A INFORMATION PLAN.

WE NEED A SECURITY PLAN AS IF WE WERE HAVING A SPECIAL EVENT IN OUR CITY, AS IF WE HAD A PLAN FOR LIKE WE PLAN FOR THE CURTIS CULWELL CENTER.

NOW, THE CURTIS CULWELL CENTER HAS MULTIPLE LANES OF INGRESS AND EGRESS.

I'M NOT SAYING THEY'RE EXACT THE SAME.

I'M JUST MAKING THE POINT.

THIS IS HOW WE HAVE TO PLAN FOR THIS PARK.

WE CANNOT TRY TO BE EFFICIENT BECAUSE IF WE TRY TO BE EFFICIENT AND LIMIT THE PEOPLE, WE'RE CREATING A DANGEROUS SCENARIO.

IT'S DANGEROUS FOR OUR STAFF.

IT'S DANGEROUS FOR PARK STAFF, IT'S DANGEROUS FOR THE PARK ATTENDEES, IT'S DANGEROUS FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO WE HAVE TO HANDLE THIS AS IF WE ARE DRAWING 5000 PEOPLE INTO OUR CITY. AND FOR THE CULWELL CENTER AND THE BIG EVENTS ARE THEIR GRADUATIONS, AND THIS IS USUALLY OVER A COUPLE OF WEEKENDS RIGHT BEFORE THE SUMMER, BUT THEY DRAW FIVE TO SIX THOUSAND PEOPLE PER GRADUATION.

THEY HAVE SIXTY THREE CIVILIAN STAFF, INCLUDING SECURITY GUARDS, FIVE HOST, 18 POLICE OFFICERS WORKING SECURITY AND TRAFFIC AND PARAMEDICS.

AGAIN, I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS WHAT OUR PLAN IS OR THESE ARE THE NUMBERS.

I'M JUST KIND OF GIVING YOU A COMPARISON ON HOW WE PLAN FOR A SPECIAL EVENT.

USUALLY FOR SPECIAL EVENTS.

WE WE PLAN FOR ONE OFFICER FOR EVERY 500 PEOPLE, UNLESS THERE'S ALCOHOL.

[00:25:01]

THEN WE PLAN FOR ONE OFFICER FOR EVERY TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY PEOPLE.

AND SO THE PLAN WE PUT TOGETHER FOR WINDSURF PART AS A SPECIAL EVENT IS TO WORK TWO SHIFTS. THIS IS A LONG DAY, SO TO WORK TWO SHIFTS.

WE'RE GOING TO START THE MORNING SHIFT.

IF THE PARKS DO REMAIN OPEN WITH SIX OFFICERS AND 10 PARK STAFF.

ALSO INCLUDED IN THERE IS THE THE NOW, THE PURPOSE OF THAT VEHICLE IS IT'S A HOT DAY TO GIVE THEM A PLACE TO TAKE BREAKS, TAKE AIR CONDITIONING. THERE'S ALSO A RESTROOM IN THERE TO EAT LUNCH.

ALSO STATION A FIRE TRUCK AND AN AMBULANCE OUT THERE.

EVEN IF WE KEEP THE ROADWAY CLEAR WITH OUR PARKING DIRECTION, WE STILL HAVE TO PREPARE FOR THE POSSIBILITY THAT ONE ENTRANCE IS CLOSED.

SO THIS GROUP NEEDS TO BE SOMEWHAT SELF-SUFFICIENT, AT LEAST TO HANDLE THE INITIAL EMERGENCY. AND THE SKY WATCHTOWER.

THE AFTERNOON, WE WILL ADD TWO OFFICERS INSIDE THE PARK FOR A TOTAL OF EIGHT OFFICERS INSIDE THE PARK. OH, THANK YOU, MAN.

I NEEDED THAT. I USUALLY DON'T TALK THIS MUCH, AS YOU KNOW.

OUTSIDE THE PARK IS WE'RE PLANNING ON HAVING SIX OFFICERS IN TWO MAN UNITS.

THEY WILL TAKE CARE OF TRAFFIC DIRECTION.

THEY'LL TAKE CARE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ISSUES OF PEOPLE CUTTING THROUGH.

YOU CAN SEE THE ONE CUL-DE-SAC THERE AT THE BOTTOM LEFT THAT'S NEXT TO THE WOODED AREA.

THAT'S WHERE THEY WERE PARKED AND CUTTING THROUGH THE WOODS, USING MACHETES TO GET TO THE PARK. I ADDED THIS JUST TO HIGHLIGHT ANOTHER THING I HAVE TO FIGURE OUT, AND THAT IS IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TWENTY FIVE HUNDRED PEOPLE IN THE PARK, I HAVE TO HAVE A PLACE FOR A DROP OFF AND PICKUP LOCATION.

AND I HAVE NOT FIGURED THAT OUT YET.

BUT AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, ONCE YOU CLOSE THE PARK WITH 2500 PEOPLE THERE, STILL HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE PEOPLE INSIDE THE PARK, THEY NEED TO GET TO WHATEVER REASON.

IT MAY BE KIDS, IT MAY BE FAMILY.

AND SO WE NEED A PLACE FOR A DROP OFF AND PICK UP LOCATION.

AND THAT'S ONE THAT I DON'T QUITE HAVE FIGURED OUT YET IN THIS PLAN.

THE PREVENTION THROUGH ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN, AND THAT'S THE DESIGN OF THIS PARK AND I WON'T GO THROUGH ALL OF THEM EXCEPT FOR ONE WHICH, NO MATTER WHAT AMOUNT OF RESOURCES WE PUT OUT THERE, IS STILL NOT SOLVED.

AND THAT IS THE LIMITED INGRESS AND EGRESS.

UNLESS WE SOMEHOW CAN BUILD ANOTHER ROAD TO THIS PARK, WE STILL ARE HOSTING TWENTY FIVE HUNDRED PEOPLE WITH ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT.

AND I KNOW THE FIRE DEPARTMENT CAN ECHO THIS, BUT THAT'S A MAJOR CONCERN FOR SAFETY.

AND SO HOW ARE WE GOING TO STAFF THIS? SIMILAR TO TO OTHER PROBLEMS IS TO FORM A TASK GROUP AND DEDICATE RESOURCES TO STAFF WINDSURF PARK AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE THIRTY TWO OFFICERS.

TWENTY SIX OF THOSE OFFICERS WOULD BE ASSIGNED THERE PER DAY.

THIRTY TWO GIVES THE ABILITY FOR SIX OF THEM TO BE OFF SOMETIMES ON THE WEEKEND, 20 PARKS EMPLOYEES THAT ARE THERE TO PICK UP TRASH, PARKING, GATE MANAGEMENT, AN AMBULANCE AND A FIRE ENGINE. THAT'S EVERY DAY DURING THE WEEKEND.

SO I KNOW THE FIRST QUESTION THAT'S GOING TO GET ASKED IS HOW MUCH DOES THAT COST? AND I'LL HAVE TO EXPLAIN THIS, BUT THE COST IS NOT IN HARD COST.

I CANNOT DO THIS WITH OVERTIME, NO MATTER HOW MUCH OVERTIME YOU GIVE ME.

I CANNOT STAFF SOMETHING THIS MASSIVE WITH OVERTIME.

IF YOU THINK ABOUT HOW WE DO JULY 4TH.

JULY FOURTH, WE STAFF IT WITH OFFICERS THAT HAVE WORKED ALL WEEK.

SO THEY'VE WORKED MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, THEY'RE OFF ON THE WEEKENDS AND WE EITHER GET VOLUNTEERS OR WE MANDATE THEM TO WORK ON THEIR DAYS OFF.

THAT'S HOW WE STAFF THESE SPECIAL EVENTS IS THEY'RE COMING IN ON THEIR DAYS OFF.

I CANNOT DO THAT EVERY WEEKEND THROUGH THE SUMMER, DOING THIS WITH OVERTIME.

IT'S JUST NOT POSSIBLE.

IT'S NOT POSSIBLE FOR MY STAFF.

IT'S NOT POSSIBLE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

IT'S NOT POSSIBLE FOR PARK STAFF.

IT HAS TO BE A TASK FORCE THAT WE'VE TAKEN THESE RESOURCES FROM SOMEWHERE AND WE PLANTED THEM IN THE PARK. SO TO DO THAT, I'D HAVE TO REALLOCATE ALMOST 10 PERCENT OF MY STAFF TO WINDSURF PARK, SO WE FIGURED OUT, OK, WELL, HOW ARE WE GOING TO STAFF THIRTY TWO OFFICERS AT WINDSURF PARK AND WE WOULD PULL 10 NPOS SO WE REDUCE OUR NPOS FROM SIX NPOS TO SIX NPOS.

GANG UNIT WOULD ESSENTIALLY ELIMINATE THE GANG UNIT DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS FROM SIX TO ONE. NOW WE NEED ONE TO DO DATA ENTRY.

EIGHT SROS, NOW SROS I KNOW ARE OFF DURING THE SUMMER.

BUT WE ALSO HAVE SUMMER SCHOOL, WE HAVE SUMMER CAMPS, WE HAVE SUMMER PROGRAMS. WE'RE ABLE TO USE THEM MORE DURING THE SUMMER THAN WE CAN DURING THE YEAR, BUT WE DON'T

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HAVE ACCESS TO ALL THIRTY ONE OF THEM.

EIGHT TRAFFIC OFFICERS THAT WOULD REDUCE US FROM 15 TO SEVEN, TWO SUPERVISORS, ONE NPO AND ONE TRAFFIC SUPERVISOR THAT WOULD FORCE US TO CANCEL THE SAFE STREETS TASK FORCE.

THIS WOULD COST US 40 PERCENT OF PARK STAFF.

AND SO THEY WOULD BE PULLED FROM THROUGHOUT THE CITY TO BE PART OF THIS TASK GROUP.

AND THEN ONE FIRE AND ONE AMBULANCE.

NOW, I'LL SAY AGAIN, THIS IS THE PLAN.

THIS PARK RIGHT NOW AS IT SITS, IS MY NUMBER ONE SAFETY CONCERN.

AFTER FATHER'S DAY, WE WERE ON THE BRINK OF DISASTER.

NOW, THANKFULLY, WE AVERTED DISASTER, BUT IT IS NOT A SAFE PLACE FOR OUR STAFF AT THIS POINT. WE HAVE TO COME UP.

WE HAVE TO TREAT THIS AS IF WE'RE HOSTING 5000 PEOPLE AND WE ARE.

AND SO THIS IS THE ONLY WAY I'M COMFORTABLE TO DO THAT.

NOW, HAVING SAID THAT, I DON'T WANT TO DO THIS.

THESE RESOURCES ARE VALUABLE THROUGHOUT THE CITY, THEY'RE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOODS.

THEY'RE DOING GREAT WORK RIGHT NOW.

I DON'T WANT TO DO THIS, BUT TO KEEP THIS OPEN, I HAVE TO I CANNOT LET THIS PARK TAKE

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OVER THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. AND RIGHT NOW IT'S TAKEN OVER THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO TO KEEP THIS OPEN, THIS IS HOW WE HAVE TO TREAT IT.

AND SO I THINK I'M DONE, SO I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS.

ALL RIGHT, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? USE THE RTS BUTTON, COUNCIL MEMBER VERA.

CHIEF. THEY THEY CLOSED THE DELL ROCK ON 30, DIDN'T THEY? THEY DID. SO THAT'S WHY WE GETTING A LOT OF PEOPLE OVER THERE.

YEAH, THAT'S WHEN WE FIRST SAW THAT.

SO THAT WAS IN 2016.

THAT'S WHEN WE FIRST SAW THE BIG NUMBERS SHOWING UP IN WINDSURF.

YES. OK, THAT'S ALL.

THANK YOU, SIR. I'M SORRY, BUT MITCH REMINDED ME I DIDN'T GIVE THE RECOMMENDATIONS, WHICH IS WE'RE RECOMMENDING AND I'M RECOMMENDING AS CHIEF THAT I CAN'T MANAGE THIS PARK WITHOUT PULLING ALL THOSE RESOURCES ON THE WEEKEND.

SO OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO CLOSE THE PARK ON WEEKENDS AND HOLIDAYS.

WE ARE NOT SEEING THESE NUMBERS RIGHT NOW DURING THE WEEK AND LEAVE IT OPEN DURING THE WEEK. I ALSO THINK WE SHOULD STILL LOOK AT LIMITING ACCESS TO THE WATER.

IF WE LIMIT ACCESS TO THE WATER, WE TURN THIS BACK INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK.

SO I GUESS THAT'S MORE TWO RECOMMENDATIONS.

OK, COUNCILMAN AUBIN.

THANK YOU MAYOR. HAVEN'T USED A MICROPHONE IN LIKE A YEAR AND CHANGE.

SO CALIBRATE OVER HERE.

THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION, CHIEF.

I APPRECIATE IT. YOU KNOW, WE'VE GONE THROUGH A LOT OF EFFORT TO TRY AND KEEP THIS PARK OPEN AND MANAGE IT.

AND IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S NO REAL WAY TO MANAGE THE GROWTH RIGHT NOW.

BUT I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE CITY WIDE IMPACT IN THE NUMBERS THAT WE WOULD NEED, IS THAT WITH THE PARK AS IT IS TODAY OR IS THAT WITH THE PARK? IF WE DID A BUNCH OF ACCESS IMPROVEMENTS OR WHATEVER, WOULD THAT CHANGE THE NUMBER? IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE NUMBER UNLESS YOU CHANGE THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE SHOWING UP.

SO EVEN IF WE UNLESS WE CAN IMPACT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE SHOWING UP AND AGAIN, IT'S IT'S KIND OF TWO PROBLEMS. THERE'S THE INSIDE THE PARK PROBLEM AND THEN THERE'S THE OUTSIDE THE PARK PROBLEM.

SO MY PLAN RIGHT NOW IS TO ACT AS IF 5000 PEOPLE ARE SHOWING UP BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING ON EVEN THE NON HOLIDAY WEEKENDS.

AND IF WE SEE A REDUCTION IN THOSE NUMBERS, THEN WE CAN REDUCE OUR STAFF, BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO HAVE TO SEE A REDUCTION IN THOSE NUMBERS.

OK, SO THIS IS BASED ON FIVE THOUSAND.

SO IF WE IF WE DID, AND I'M NOT EVEN SURE THIS IS POSSIBLE.

BUT IF WE SECURELY FENCED THE PERIMETER OF THE PARK SO THAT PEOPLE COULDN'T, YOU KNOW, RAMBO THEIR WAY THROUGH THE JUNGLE OR WHATEVER TO GET INTO THE PARK, AND PEOPLE CAN'T COME THROUGH THE BETWEEN HOUSES AND STUFF, WE HAVE ACTUAL CONTROLLED ACCESS TO THE PARK.

YOU KNOW, IF IF WE THEN GOT IT DOWN TO SAY, TWENTY FIVE HUNDRED OR A THOUSAND, THEN YOU'D BE COMFORTABLE REDUCING THAT.

BUT WE'D STILL HAVE THE PROBLEM OUTSIDE THE PARK.

RIGHT. YEAH. IF WE REDUCE THE NUMBERS WE WOULD REDUCE THE STAFF.

IF WE COULD, IF WE COULD LIMIT THE ACCESS WHERE THEY CAN'T GET IN AND WE'VE ELIMINATED THE NEIGHBORHOOD ISSUES, WE COULD PROBABLY GO FROM TWO OFF, I MEAN FROM SIX OFFICERS TO FOUR OFFICERS OUTSIDE AND MAYBE REDUCE THE NUMBER INSIDE.

IT'S STILL A SIGNIFICANT FORCE THAT WOULD BE OUT THERE.

BUT CERTAINLY IF WE REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE SHOWING UP, WE COULD REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF STAFF. OK.

ANY IDEA ON HOW WE MANAGE THIS? I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE THE MOST UNMANAGEABLE PORTION OF THE WHOLE THING WAS IN THE

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NEIGHBORHOOD PARK WHERE IF YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE JUST BLOCKING THE ROAD AND PARKING WHEREVER THEY WANT AND WALKING THROUGH HOUSES OR DOING WHATEVER, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT UNTIL THE FIGHT BROKE OUT. OK FAIR. SO WHEN THE FIGHT BROKE OUT AND THE GUNSHOTS RANG OUT, YOU KNOW, THAT CAUSED ISSUES INSIDE.

I MEAN, IT'S STILL TWENTY FIVE HUNDRED PEOPLE, YOU KNOW.

AND I KNOW WE TALK ABOUT COMPARING THIS TO OTHER PARKS.

I CANNOT FIND ANOTHER PARK LIKE THIS.

THIS IS A ONE OFF PARK WITH A LIMITED ENTRY AND EXIT AND ALL THE CHALLENGES WE HAVE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT, YEAH, GETTING BACK TO YOUR QUESTION, YOU KNOW, OUR CONCERNS ARE BOTH INSIDE AND OUTSIDE THE PARK.

IT'S TWO SEPARATE DYNAMICS GOING ON.

OK, THANK YOU, CHIEF.

THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU SIR. COUNCIL MEMBER BASS.

CHIEF BRYAN, I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS NOT ANY SEPARATION BETWEEN THE SWIMMERS AND THE BOATERS. IS THERE A BOAT RAMP THERE? THERE IS NO BOAT RAMP.

THERE'S NO. OK. SO PEOPLE ARE OK.

HAVE WE HAD ANY INCIDENTS BETWEEN SWIMMERS AND BOATERS? I'VE SEEN NPO SHAKING HIS HEAD YES.

OK. WE HAD, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S INTERESTING FOR US IS THAT'S NOT RECORDED IN ANY OF OUR STATS. SO WE'VE HAD PEOPLE DROWN IN THE LAKE THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH WINDSURF PARK, BUT THAT'S ALL HANDLED BY DALLAS.

AND SO WE IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE'RE ABLE TO KEEP UP WITH THEIR TRACK OR EVEN KNOW THE DETAILS OF THE INCIDENT, UNLESS WE KNOW TO ASK FOR THEM, BECAUSE THAT IS ALL DALLAS PD.

OK, AND SO I GUESS THEN THERE'S NO PLAN ON OUR SIDE FOR ANY SEPARATION BETWEEN SWIMMERS AND BOATERS IF YOU KNOW.

THE LAKE BELONGS TO DALLAS.

SO THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE COULD DO.

SO HAVE WE WITH ALL OF THE OVERCROWDING ISSUES, BECAUSE IT'S A IT'S A DALLAS ISSUE AS WELL. WE HAVE ANY, WHAT KIND OF COMMUNICATION DO WE HAVE WITH THEM OVER THIS? A LOT OF COMMUNICATION.

GOING BACK FROM MITCH WAS CHIEF.

HE AND I WENT TO DALLAS PD AND MET WITH THEIR CHIEF, CHIEF BROWN AT THE TIME.

SO THAT SHOWS YOU HOW FAR BACK WE YOU KNOW, AND THE LAKE CREW THAT WORKS THE LAKE, I THINK IT'S FOUR OFFICERS AND THE NPO MAY CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I THINK IT'S FOUR OFFICERS THAT WORK THE ENTIRE LAKE.

AND SO THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH STAFF JUST TO PAY ATTENTION TO WINDSURF PARK.

THEY DO COME BY, THEY DO CHECKS.

BUT IN THE MEANTIME, THEY'RE OUT THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE LAKE.

OK, BUT WE SEE THIS.

I MEAN, DO YOU SEE THIS AS A DALLAS ISSUE AS WELL AS A GARLAND ISSUE? SURE. ABSOLUTELY.

OK, THANK YOU.

SURE. YES. AND JUST WE'VE HAD LOTS OF COMMUNICATION WITH DALLAS, DALLAS P.D.

WE HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF RESPONSE TO THAT COMMUNICATION.

THAT MORE DIPLOMATICALLY THAN.

THAT'S MY JOB. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM MORRIS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. CHIEF, YOU MENTIONED SEVERAL TIMES THAT IF WE RESTRICTED ACCESS TO THE WATER, THIS PARK WOULD GO BACK TO BEING A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK.

YEAH, I THINK THE DRAW TO THIS PARK IS THE SWIMMING.

SO WHEN WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT RESTRICTING ACCESS TO THE WATER, DO YOU HAVE IT IN MIND? WHAT WE HAD DISCUSSED AT ONE TIME, WHICH IS FENCING OFF THE WATER IN SOME WAY THAT WOULD PREVENT PEOPLE FROM ACCESSING IT DIRECTLY? I DO. AND I INCLUDED YOU KNOW, THIS IS, OF COURSE, A VERY NICE EXAMPLE, BUT AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THIS WOULD COST.

YOU KNOW, I'M MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS.

I DON'T HAVE TO WRITE THE CHECK.

BUT I THINK THERE ARE WAYS WE COULD FENCE THIS OFF OR IT'S ESTHETICALLY PLEASING AND LIMIT ACCESS TO THE WATER OR A YOU KNOW, IF YOU THINK OF JOHN PAUL JONES PARK NEXT DOOR, THEY HAVE ROCKS THAT KEEP THE EROSION AND SO THAT LIMITS THE SWIMMING.

SO THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS TO LIMIT THE SWIMMING.

BUT I THINK IF YOU DID THAT, IT WOULD TURN THIS BACK INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK.

AND WHAT ARE THE ODDS THAT IF WE IF WE DID FENCE OFF THE WATER, THAT PEOPLE WHO USE MACHETES TO CUT DOWN TREES AND EVERYTHING, THAT THEY WOULD JUST GO AROUND THE FENCE OR OVER THE FENCE OR WHAT? DO YOU HAVE A SENSE ON HOW HOW SUCCESSFUL THAT MIGHT BE IN ACTUALLY KEEPING PEOPLE OUT OF THE WATER? WELL, I CAN JUST TELL YOU WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST.

AND WE HAVE FENCED IT OFF.

YOU KNOW, WE DID THIS IN, MITCH.

REMIND ME WHAT YEAR WAS IT 2018? WE DID A FENCE AND IT WORKED VERY WELL.

WE SENT A STRONG MESSAGE, NO SWIMMING IN THE PARK.

WE HAD HIGH VISIBILITY PATROLS AND IT WORKED AND THAT WASN'T PRETTY FANCY.

IT WAS A CHAIN LINK FENCE.

BUT IF WE DO SOMETHING TO RESTRICT SWIMMING, THEN YES, I THINK IT WOULD AT LEAST GREATLY REDUCE THE NUMBERS THAT WE'RE SEEING.

YOU MAY STILL HAVE SOMEONE THAT JUMPS THE FENCE AND GETS INTO THE WATER.

YEAH, AND I THINK WE DISCUSSED THAT AS A MORE AS A, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, AS AN EITHER OR IS EITHER FENCING OFF THE WATER OR RESTRICTING ACCESS WITH A SOME KIND OF A PASS

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SYSTEM. NOBODY WANTS TO RESTRICT THE WATER, BUT YEAH, I WOULD BE TOTALLY OPPOSED TO DO SUCKING RESOURCES FROM THE REST OF THE CITY IN ORDER TO TO MANAGE MOSTLY DALLAS RESIDENTS IN OUR PARK.

AND WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT A I THINK YOU TALKED ABOUT IT, PERHAPS IT WAS COUNCILMAN AUBIN A PERIMETER FENCE, WOULD YOU SEE A HIGH, HIGH PROBABILITY OF SUCCESS IF WE ACTUALLY DID A ROBUST PERIMETER FENCE AROUND THE ENTIRE PARK? WOULD CERTAINLY REDUCE THE NUMBER OF, YOU KNOW, ILLEGAL ENTRIES FROM PEOPLE CUTTING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR CUTTING THROUGH THAT FIELD.

WE CAN ALSO DO THAT WITH ADDITIONAL STAFF MONITORING IT.

YOU KNOW, I THINK THEY RECOGNIZE WE ONLY HAD FOUR OFFICERS, OFFICERS THERE, THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH FIVE THOUSAND PEOPLE.

SO IT'S EASY TO IGNORE THE OFFICERS WHEN WHEN YOU OUTNUMBER THEM TO SUCH A DEGREE.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, EITHER EITHER THE FENCE OR MORE OFFICERS, ONE OF THOSE TWO WOULD HELP WITH THAT ISSUE. OK, BUT YOUR YOUR BASIC RECOMMENDATION AT THIS POINT, GIVEN WHAT YOU'RE SEEING, IS THAT WE JUST CLOSE THE PARK ON WEEKENDS AND HOLIDAYS AND ONLY HAVE IT BE OPEN DURING WEEKDAYS.

THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION.

OK. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR.

APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU.

AND, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS PROBABLY EVERY TIME WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS PARK AND THE WHOLE SWIMMING.

AND JUST TO CLARIFY, THE CITY OF DALLAS RESTRICTS SWIMMING AT BACHMANN AND WHITE ROCK BY ORDINANCE, BUT THERE IS NO RESTRICTION ON SWIMMING AT HUBBARD.

I KNOW THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED BACK AND FORTH AND DEBATED BACK AND FORTH, BUT THEY RESTRICT SWIMMING IN THOSE TWO SMALLER LAKES, BUT NOT IN RAY HUBBARD.

WE'VE ASKED THAT QUESTION AND WE'VE GOT MULTIPLE ANSWERS.

AND THERE'S.

THE LAST ANSWER WE HAVE IS NO.

RIGHT. WE'VE BEEN TOLD YES, NO. YES, NO.

I THINK WE ENDED ON NO.

AND ANYBODY WHO CHOOSES TO SWIM IN BACHMANN OR WHITE ROCK IS CERTAINLY ON THEIR OWN.

COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU, CHIEF.

JUST FOUR QUICK QUESTIONS.

ONE COMMENTARY.

THE MAYOR IS CORRECT ABOUT ABOUT WHITE ROCK AND BACHMANN AND PARTICULARLY WHITE ROCK.

AND IT'S VERY, VERY STRONGLY ENFORCED TO NOT SWIM BECAUSE I KNOW SOMEBODY WHO LIVES OUT THERE AND THEY THEY'RE VERY VISIBLE.

SO JUST JUST FOUR QUICK QUESTIONS, ONE IS AND MAYBE MR. HESSER MAY WANT TO JOIN YOU ON THIS ONE JUST FOR THE PUBLIC, HOW MANY PARKS DO WE HAVE? OPEN PARKS WE HAVE IN THE CITY MR. HESSER, CAN YOU COME UP AND THEN I'LL LET YOU KNOW WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS QUESTION.

JUST JUST BRIEFLY FOR OUR PUBLIC HOW MANY OPEN PARKS THAT WE HAVE IN THIS CITY WHERE WE'VE GOT OPEN VENUES FOR THE SOFTBALL FIELDS, BASEBALL FIELD, THOSE KIND.

YES SIR. HOW MANY PARKS? SIXTY THREE. WE'VE GOT SIXTY THREE PARKS OVER APPROXIMATELY WHAT LAND AREA OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, IT'S PROBABLY IN THE TWENTY EIGHT HUNDRED ACRES FAMILY.

OK, AND YOUR STAFF SERVICES ALL OF THE ENTIRE PARK SYSTEM, CORRECT? YES, SIR, THAT'S CORRECT. OK, AND CHIEF, YOU'RE NPOS AND STAFF PROVIDE NEIGHBORHOOD PATROL AND ASSISTANCE FOR ALL THESE PARKS HERE, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. AND I'LL POINT OUT, ONE, THE THING IF YOU LOOK AT DALLAS AND SAN ANTONIO AND AUSTIN AND CITIES LIKE THAT THAT YOU MENTIONED, THEY HAVE PARK POLICE.

AND SO THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THIS TASK GROUP.

OK, CHIEF, YOU JUST TOOK AWAY MY NEXT QUESTION, AND THAT'S THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE RESOURCES, IS THAT CORRECT? SO IF WE KEPT THIS PARK OPEN, THE IMPACT ON THE CITY, IT WOULD DEFINITELY IMPACT BOTH FROM A PARK STANDPOINT AND FROM A POLICE AND FIRE STANDPOINT, HAVE TO PULL.

THOSE RESOURCES FROM ALL OF THOSE ARE THE PARKS THAT MR. HESSER TALKED ABOUT, CORRECT? YES, SIR. THAT'S CORRECT. OK, ALL RIGHT.

IN YOUR BRIEFING, CHIEF, ONE THING I DIDN'T HEAR, PARTICULARLY IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS, WHAT FEEDBACK DOING THIS PARTICULAR THIS LAST EPISODE, WHAT FEEDBACK WERE YOU GETTING THAT OUR OFFICERS GET FROM THE NEIGHBORS TO FOLKS THAT LIVE OVER THERE? I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING.

CAN CAN YOU SORT OF GIVE US A SENSE OF HOW ALL OF THIS IMPACTING, YOU KNOW, THEIR PSYCHE AND. SURE.

AND I'M SURE MR. MOORE HAS FEEDBACK ON THAT AS WELL, BUT IT WAS NOT FEEDBACK ON WHETHER WE SHOULD OPEN

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BACK UP. YOU'VE GOT TO SOLVE THIS ISSUE.

WE ARE OVERWHELMED. THEY'RE PARKING IN THEIR DRIVEWAYS, THEY'RE PARKING IN THEIR GRASS.

THE PEOPLE ONCE THAT LOCUST GROVE CLOSED DOWN, PEOPLE THAT LIVED IN THE AREA COULDN'T GET HOME. AND YOU SAW THE ONE PICTURE AND I'LL HAVE TO FIND IT.

BUT THE ONE PICTURE OF LOCUST GROVE THAT'S CLOSED.

SO EVEN GETTING HOME DOWN LOCUST GROVE, YOU CAN'T MAKE IT HOME BECAUSE YOU'RE IN THAT STOP TRAFFIC. SO THE FEEDBACK I'VE GOT OVERWHELMINGLY IS YOU'VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING TO FIX THIS ISSUE. IT'S TAKEN OVER THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND MY LAST QUESTION TO YOU, CHIEF, IF IN FACT AND AND I SUPPORT YOUR RECOMMENDATION, BY THE WAY, BUT IF IN FACT, WE PUT THIS TASK GROUP IN PLACE WHERE OUR OFFICES WORK ALL WEEK AND THEY PULL TO WORK THIS ON A WEEKEND, WHAT'S THE IMPACT? WELL. AS FAR AS PERFORMANCE LEVEL, IF WE'VE GOT OFFICERS WHO DO THAT FIVE DAY SHIFTS AND THEN DO THIS ADDITIONAL SHIFT, WHAT'S THE IMPACT ON ON YOUR YOUR STAFF AND WHAT'S THE IMPACT ON YOUR STAFF MR. HESSER IF THEY HAVE TO COME TOGETHER AND EXECUTE A, QUOTE, MASTER PLAN FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM? WELL, AND MAYBE I DIDN'T EXPLAIN THAT FULLY, BUT I COULD NOT DO IT THAT WAY.

THAT WOULD BE DOING IT ON AN OVERTIME BASIS.

THAT WOULD MEAN THE OFFICERS ARE WORKING SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.

I CANNOT. SO IT WOULD BE PULLING THEM FROM THEIR CURRENT ASSIGNMENT AND ASSIGNING THEM TO WINDSURF PARK ON THE WEEKENDS ON FRIDAY, SATURDAYS AND SUNDAYS AND ON HOLIDAYS.

SO THEY'D STILL BE WORKING 40 HOURS A WEEK.

BUT THEY'RE GOING TO BE WORKING THOSE AT WINDSURF PARK INSTEAD OF IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS.

RIGHT. SO AND I WILL ADD THAT THIS IS NOT A POPULAR ASSIGNMENT.

OFFICERS DON'T WANT TO WORK HERE.

IT'S HOT. IT'S LONG FOR THE MOST PART.

IT'S BORING UNTIL IT'S NOT, BUT IT'S NOT.

I CANNOT FIELD THIS WITH OVERTIME.

OFFICERS DON'T VOLUNTEER TO WORK THIS ASSIGNMENT.

WE HAVE TO TO MANDATE THEM TO WORK THE ASSIGNMENT.

OK, THANK YOU, CHIEF.

THANK YOU, MR. HESSER. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

THANK YOU SIR. COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

AND I THINK WE JUST FOUND A LITTLE BUG IN THE SYSTEM.

I HAD PUNCHED IN, WAS IN QUEUE TWICE.

YES. BUT IT ONLY APPEARED ON MY SCREEN THE FIRST TIME.

SO I PUNCHED HIM AGAIN AND SHOWED UP ON YOURS.

YES, IT DID IT IT SHOWED UP ON MINE BRIEFLY AND THEN WENT AWAY.

GOT IT. OK, A FEW QUESTIONS I THINK I MISUNDERSTOOD A LONG TIME AGO WHERE THE BORDERS OF THAT PERMANENT FENCE ARE.

CAN YOU SHOW ME ON ONE OF THE IMAGES WHERE THE EXISTING FENCE IS? THE CURRENT FENCE? YES, SIR.

BET I CAN. SO IF YOU SEE WITH THOSE AND I GUESS I DON'T HAVE A GOOD PICTURE, BUT IF YOU SEE WHAT THOSE OFFICERS ARE STANDING, I THINK IT'S A LITTLE NORTH OF THEM.

LET ME SEE IF I HAVE A BETTER PICTURE AND ANDY CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG ON THIS.

WE REFERRING TO THE FENCE THAT WAS INSTALLED? THE GATE, THE ENTRY GATE.

IS IT LITERALLY JUST ACROSS THE MAIN ENTRANCE OF THE PARK AND NOWHERE ELSE? OR? IF YOU COME DOWN THE MAIN ENTRANCE, IT WOULD BE ON YOUR RIGHT HAND SIDE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PEOPLE THAT WERE IN THAT LAST NEIGHBORHOOD HAD ACCESS TO THEIR GATE.

THEN IT MAKES A TURN TO THE LEFT AND THEN JOINS UP WITH THE BACK OF THEIR FENCE.

THEY'RE RETAINING WALL PRIVACY FENCE AND THEN THE GATE IS RIGHT THERE.

SO IT ALLOWS SOME ROOM FOR VEHICLES TO QUEUE UP AND COME INSIDE.

BUT THAT THAT'S THE MAIN AREA THAT ENJOINS WITH PRIVATE PROPERTY AT THE ENTRANCE.

AND THEN THERE'S HOMES THAT BACK UP ALL ALONG THE SIDE HERE ON THE TREES, YOU SEE, SO THAT THAT PREVENTS VEHICULAR ACCESS.

THERE ARE SOME SPOTS WHERE THEY FOUND WORK THEIR WAY IN THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD BETWEEN

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HOMES AND THAT KIND OF THING. OK, SO WE DON'T HAVE A TRUE PERIMETER FENCE IN PLACE.

NOT NOT COUNTING THE SHORELINE.

THAT'S CORRECT. OK, QUICK ASIDE, THERE ARE STILL ALLIGATORS IN THAT LAKE, CORRECT? I JUST IF ANY WOULD BE SWIMMERS ARE WATCHIN.

LARGE ONES. I HOPE YOU'RE QUICK.

AND PIRANHAS. YES. SO WE HAVE THAT FENCE IN PLACE AT LEAST ACROSS THE ENTRANCE OF THE PARK. AND YOU SHOWED THAT IMAGE OF THE THE FAMILY THAT GOT OUT AND JUST WALKED ON IN.

ARE WE NOT CONTROLLING ON FOOT ACCESS THROUGH THE MAIN ENTRYWAY AS PART OF OUR HEADCOUNT? NO, WE DID THE PICTURE I WAS SHOWING.

WE WHEN WE TALK TO THE FAMILY AND SAID, HEY, YOU'RE PARKED BLOCKING LOCUST GROVE, YOU CAN'T PARK HERE, YOU GOT TO LEAVE.

THEY SAID, OK, THANKS, AND STILL MADE IT TO THE FRONT.

WE HAD TO TURN THEM AWAY AGAIN AT THE AT THE GATE.

SO THEY WERE TURNED AWAY.

OK, HAVE WE DO WE HAVE ANYTHING POSTED AS FAR AS NO PARKING SIGNS GO ON EITHER SIDE OF THE MAIN DRIVE, UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY PROBABLY WOULD HAVE BEEN IGNORED ANYWAY? I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.

OK, BECAUSE I'M WONDERING IF IF NO PARKING SIGNS PLUS ENFORCED TOWING WOULD HELP US KEEP THAT MAIN DRIVE CLEAR FOR EMERGENCY ACCESS.

I THINK IT WOULD NEED TO BE NO PARKING, STANDING OR STOPPING.

BECAUSE MOST OF THOSE CARS ARE STANDING OR STOPPING.

OK. SO WE'D HAVE TO DO NO PARKING, STANDING OR STOPPING.

OK, YOU MENTIONED THAT WE COULD GET INSTANT, INCIDENT STATISTICS FROM DALLAS PD.

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CAN WE GET THOSE? CAN WORK ON YES SIR.

THANK YOU, SIR. AND DID WE REACH OUT TO THE RADIO STATION THAT WAS ENCOURAGING THE LAWBREAKING? AND NO, THEY WEREN'T ENCOURAGING LAWBREAKING.

WHAT THEY WERE SAYING WAS THE THE PARK IS OPEN.

SO IF YOU WANT A PLACE TO SWIM, HERE'S A PLACE TO SWIM.

NO, I HAVEN'T REACHED OUT TO THE RADIO STATION.

I WAS JUST CURIOUS.

AND I COULDN'T EVEN TELL YOU FOR SURE WHICH ONE IT WAS.

AND WHEN WE TALKED TO INDIVIDUALS, THEY SAID, OH, WE HEARD ON THE RADIO, THIS IS PLACE TO COME SWIMMING AND AND THEY MADE THEIR WAY THERE.

BUT, WELL, I'M GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF YOUR PLAN TO TO CLOSE THE PARK ON WEEKENDS FOR THE TIME BEING. I STILL THINK THERE'S A FUTURE THERE WITH WITH PAID ACCESS, ASSUMING WE CAN USE SOME OF THAT REVENUE TO PUT IN A TRUE PERIMETER FENCE.

SO I DON'T WANT TO SEE US GIVE UP ON THIS YET, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE IN A CRITICAL POSITION RIGHT NOW. I RESPECT YOUR RESPECT YOUR STAFFING NEEDS.

AND I DON'T WANT TO DRAW DOWN 10 PERCENT OF OUR CITY'S RESPONSE CAPABILITY FOR ONE AMENITY THAT THAT WE DIDN'T PLAN TO TO BE THIS BIG.

SO I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

AND YOU GUYS HAVE MY SUPPORT.

THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU MAYOR.

THANK YOU SIR. COUNCIL MEMBER AUBIN. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

YEAH, I KIND OF ECHO COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH ON THAT.

IT'S, YOU KNOW, THIS PARK WE'VE TRIED TO KEEP OPEN AND YOU KNOW, FROM A COUNCIL PERSPECTIVE FOR YEARS, WE'VE WE'VE CERTAINLY WANTED AN ATTRACTION THAT WOULD BRING THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE TO GARLAND AND THEN BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR KIND OF THING.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, I CONCUR THAT THAT FOR NOW, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S NOT THE KIND OF THE FIRST THING IF WE WERE TO REOPEN THE PARK EVER WOULD BE THERE HAS TO BE A PERIMETER FENCE. YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO CONTROL ACCESS TO THE PARK.

WE MIGHT ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT IT, CREATING A SECOND INGRESS EGRESS OPTION.

AND I DON'T THINK WE KNOW WHAT THE.

DO WE KNOW WHAT THE TOLLWAY AUTHORITY PLAN IS FOR COMING THROUGH THIS AREA? I DON'T THINK WE EVEN KNOW THE ALIGNMENT YET OF.

I THINK WE HAVE A GENERAL IDEA.

BUT TO KNOW WHAT KIND OF IMPACT IT'S GOING TO HAVE ON THIS PARK.

NO, SIR. I MEAN, FROM A TRANSPORTATION PERSPECTIVE, IT'S LIKE UNTIL THEY ACTUALLY TELL YOU EXACTLY WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE AND WHAT THE EXITS ARE GOING TO BE, I MEAN, YOU COULD TOTALLY CHANGE, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE LIKE, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO PUT THE WE'RE PUT THIS RIGHT NEXT TO THIS PARK AND WE'LL GIVE YOU A YEAH, WE'LL GIVE YOU A RAMP INTO IT OR SOMETHING THAT THAT CHANGES THE WORLD.

BUT AS IT STANDS, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE.

NO, SIR. WE DON'T HAVE THAT KIND OF INFORMATION.

BUT BUT I WOULDN'T MIND HEARING.

SO I THINK WE PROBABLY SHOULD GO WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATION AND KEEP THE PARK CLOSED FOR NOW AND THEN START LOOKING FROM A COUNCIL PERSPECTIVE, AT OTHER OPTIONS, WHAT THE COST WOULD BE. AND I THINK THE REALITY IS, IS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAYBE GET SOME INPUT OR SOME CREATIVE THING FROM CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, YOU KNOW, OR GET A REAL BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE AGREEMENT IS WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS IN THE TAKE LINE AND AND HOW WE CAN WORK AROUND THAT.

AND IF THIS IS GOING TO BE A PARK THAT THAT THAT RETAINS SOME KIND OF BEACH ACCESS OR WHATEVER, I THINK WE REALLY HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS IS WHY I SAID WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT CHARGING PEOPLE.

I THINK IF YOU CHARGE PEOPLE EVEN A NOMINAL AMOUNT, FOR ONE THING, THEY WILL TREAT IT BETTER. I THINK THAT'S JUST THE REALITY OF HOW PEOPLE ARE.

IF YOU CHARGE THEM SOME NOMINAL AMOUNT, THEY WILL TREAT IT BETTER AND IN VALUE THE EXPERIENCE MORE. AND A LOT OF PEOPLE WE WON'T HAVE THAT ISSUE WITH.

YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S REALISTIC OR NOT, BUT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE GOAL BECOMES, YOU KNOW.

YOU KNOW WHAT IF WE ONLY HAVE A THOUSAND PEOPLE IN THE PARK OR WHAT IF THIS OR WHAT IF THAT? AND WE REALLY DO CONTROL IT AND WE CONTROL THE THE ROAD ACCESS.

AND I THINK THAT TAKES A PLAN.

I MEAN, YOU GET YOUR CAR TOWED ONCE AND CHANCES ARE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PLAY THAT GAME AGAIN. AND I'D BE INCLINED TO TAKE THAT KIND OF ROUTE OF, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST GONNA LINE UP THE RECORDS. AND IF YOU DON'T MOVE YOUR CAR IMMEDIATELY, WHETHER YOU'RE IN THE CAR OR NOT, WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO HAUL IT OFF AND IT'S GOING TO COST YOU TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS TO GET IT OUT.

I MEAN, I HATE TO BE LIKE THAT, BUT I KIND OF FEEL LIKE THERE ARE SOME THINGS SOMETIMES WHERE YOU HAVE TO TAKE SOME LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT WE'RE REALLY SERIOUS ABOUT ACCESS TO THE PARK. SO ANYWAY THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS ON IT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CHIEF.

I APPRECIATE IT. APPRECIATE AND APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT, YOU KNOW, THE PARK STAFF AND POLICE STAFF HAVE DONE TO TRY AND MAKE THIS PARK USABLE AND ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYONE.

AND IT MAKES ME VERY SAD THAT THAT WE JUST IT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO SO.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU, SIR.

COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMS. YES THANK YOU MAYOR. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR CITY ATTORNEY AND CITY ATTORNEY.

TELL ME IF I SHOULD HAVE ASKED THIS QUESTION.

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TELL ME NOT TO ASK IT.

ALL RIGHT. BUT DOWN THE ROAD AND AS A PART OF, AS COUNCILMAN AUBIN MENTIONED, LOOKING AT THE AGREEMENT AND ET CETERA, IF I'M USING THAT, IF AS A BIG WORD, IF WE LOOKED AT THE AGREEMENT AND THE CITY OF DALLAS WERE TO AGREE TO PLACE SOME RESTRICTIONS ON SWIMMING ACCESS AND THAT IN THE WATER OUT HERE, ENFORCEMENT OF THAT WOULD BE WOULD REST WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS OR WITH GARLAND? AND MY OPERATIVE WORD IS IF.

BUT IF THAT WERE TO OCCUR, WHO WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ENFORCEMENT IF THEY PLACED A SIMILAR ORDINANCE AS THEY'VE GOT AT BACHMANN AND WHITE ROCK OUT HERE WITH A WHO WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ENFORCING THOSE RESTRICTIONS? ALL RIGHT, HERE'S THE PROBLEM, REALLY.

REGARDLESS OF WHO IS GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE UNFORTUNATE, BECAUSE IF I WERE DALLAS, I'D SAY GARLAND IT'S REALLY YOUR PROBLEM.

YOU YOU DO THE ENFORCEMENT, OK? WE HAVE OFFICERS.

WE DO THE ENFORCEMENT.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE.

ONCE YOU'RE OUT INTO THE WATER, ONCE YOU'RE ON THE WATER, YOU'RE IN DALLAS CITY LIMIT.

IN FACT, IT'S ACTUALLY DEEPER THAN THAT.

BUT LET'S JUST FOCUS ON THAT PART OF THE PROBLEM RIGHT NOW.

IF YOU'RE ON THE WATER, IF YOU'RE SWIMMING HOWEVER THAT'S DEFINED, WADING, WHATEVER MAY BE, YOU'RE IN THE WATER, ON THE WATER.

YOU ARE IN DALLAS CITY LIMITS.

THE EXTENT OF OUR JURISDICTION ENFORCEMENT AUTHORITY IS ONLY OUR CITY LIMITS.

THAT'S AS FAR AS OUR MUNICIPAL COURT BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE A CLASS C MISDEMEANOR AS FAR AS THEIR AUTHORITY EXTENDS AS WELL.

SO YOU WHOEVER WRITES A TICKET, IT'S A GARLAND POLICE OFFICER WRITES A TICKET FOR UNLAWFUL SWIMMING.

WHERE DOES IT GET IN ENFORCED? THE POLICE OFFICERS AND CHIEF'S ALREADY DONE A GOOD JOB OUTLINING THE KIND OF EXPENSE YOU'D BE FACING. IF YOU'RE GOING TO WRITE THOSE TICKETS, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO TO THE CITY OF DALLAS TO AND FORCE THEM TO TESTIFY IN PRETRIAL HEARINGS, TO TESTIFY IN THE TRIALS. AND LET ME TELL YOU, THAT CAN BE ALL DAY LONG.

I JUST DON'T SEE, AS WE DISCUSSED WITH RESPECT TO ROWLETT CREEK OR EXCUSE ME, THAT I MISSPOKE. THE OLD MARINA, MARINA DEL RAY AROUND THE CORNER.

IT'S NOT THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S GOING TO MAKE THIS PROBLEM GO AWAY THROUGH ENFORCEMENT AND CERTAINLY NOT THROUGH ENFORCEMENT ALONE.

IT COULD PROVIDE AN ENCOURAGEMENT, MAYBE RESTRICT THEM SOME, BUT I DON'T SEE IT BEING A MAGIC WAY TO MAKE THIS PROBLEM GO AWAY.

RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. ATTORNEY. THANK YOU MAYOR.

THANK YOU SIR.

COUNCIL MEMBER MOORE. YOU WERE IN THE QUEUE, BUT THEN YOU DISAPPEARED.

THERE YOU ARE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I WAS REALLY WAITING TO HEAR FROM ALL OF MY COLLEAGUES BEFORE I WANTED TO SAY ANYTHING THAT RELATED TO THIS ISSUE.

FIRST, I WANT TO EXPRESS MY APPRECIATION TO YOU, CHIEF, AND TO YOU FOR ANDY FOR IN PARKS AND RECREATION, FOR THE EXCELLENT JOB THAT I THINK THAT YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN DOING IN SUPERVISING THIS PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE.

I ALSO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE MY APPRECIATION TO THIS COUNCIL.

I WATCHED YOU OVER THE YEARS DEAL WITH THIS ISSUE.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, BACK IN 2017, I WAS ABLE TO GO OUT ON LINE AND FIND A NEWS CLIPPING THAT WAS CLOSING THE PARK WITH THE VERY SAME LANGUAGE FROM 2017 THAT WAS BEING USED NOW IN 2021.

THAT'S HOW LONG I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH THIS.

AND IT JUST IT, IT LETS ME KNOW THAT I'M SITTING IN THE RIGHT PLACE.

I'M SITTING WITH GOOD PEOPLE, PEOPLE WHO ARE TRULY WANTING TO DO THE RIGHT THING FOR OUR CITY BECAUSE YOU HAVE DONE JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING YOU POSSIBLY CAN TO KEEP THIS PARK OPEN.

AND AS A COUNTRY BOY FROM FROM DOWN HOME DOWNTOWN, I GREW UP I GREW UP WITH THIS TYPE OF AMENITY. THIS LAKEFRONT BARBECUING ON THE LAKE, GETTING OUT THERE EARLY IN THE MORNING SO THAT YOU MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A SPOT AND COOKING FISH AND SWIMMING AND DRINKING A FEW COOL ONES AND JUST JUST HAVING A GREAT TIME.

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AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE RESIDENTS, OR WHAT THE PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR BY HAVING THIS LAKE FRONT. AS A MATTER OF FACT, I VENTURE TO SAY THAT THERE ARE VERY FEW SPOTS ANYMORE THAT HAVE THESE TYPES OF AMENITIES WHERE IT'S FREE AND, YOU KNOW, RIGHT ACROSS THE LAKE FROM US, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE FREE ANYMORE.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, IT'S GOING TO BE VERY EXPENSIVE.

SO I'D SEE, FIRST OF ALL, WHY WE WANT TO CONTAIN IT, WHY WE WANT TO RETAIN IT.

I TRULY WANT TO.

IT'S A DISAPPOINTMENT TO ME WHAT HAPPENED THERE ON FATHER'S DAY, BECAUSE FATHER'S DAY TRULY WAS THE STRAW THAT BROKE THE CAMEL'S BACK.

I THINK IF WE'D GOTTEN PAST THAT, WE MAY HAVE HAD OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THIS COUNCIL ATTEMPTED TO DO.

WHEN YOU HAD THIS BIG DISCUSSION BACK IN OCTOBER, I WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THE TAPE.

HOW MUCH TIME YOU SPENT TRYING TO PUT PLANS TOGETHER AND DEAL WITH THE ISSUES AND SO ON AND SO FORTH, AND IF WE HAD HAD OPPORTUNITY, IT SEEMS TO ME, IF WE HAD HAD OPPORTUNITY TO GET THE GATE BUILT, THE WAY THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN TO GET A FENCE LINE INCORPORATED AROUND THE PARK IN ORDER TO CONTAIN.

SO THEY WOULD BE BREAKING THROUGH IT WITH MACHETES.

IF WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOME OF THOSE THINGS IN THE WAY OF BEING PAYING FEES, WE MAY HAVE HAD OPPORTUNITY TO TRULY KEEP IT OPEN.

BUT I THINK WHAT HAPPENED ON FATHER'S DAY REALLY HAS HELPED US TO OPEN OUR EYES TO THE SITUATION THAT WE'RE TRYING REALLY TO PUT BANDAGES ON A PROBLEM THAT MAYBE, IT JUST MAYBE, AGAIN, COMING UP IN THAT ERA, THERE WERE SITUATIONS THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT WE'RE HAVING TODAY. WE DIDN'T HAVE GANGS THEN AND THAT MIGHT COME OUT ON THE WATERFRONT AND START FIGHTING WITH YOU, THOUGH, WITH MACHETES AND SHOOTING GUNS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. IF YOU GOT INTO A FIGHT WITH A FIST FIGHT AND THAT DIDN'T LAST LONG.

WE DIDN'T HAVE SITUATIONS, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN THE POLICE COME UP TO YOU AND TELL YOU TO MOVE YOUR AUTOMOBILE AND YOU SAY, OK, BUT YOU STAY THERE, YOU DID WHAT YOU WANTED TO DO.

IN OTHER WORDS, WE JUST SEEMS TO HAVE AT THIS POINT A DIFFERENT GROUP OF PEOPLE, A DIFFERENT MENTALITY ABOUT WHAT TO DO WITH THE LAKEFRONT.

SO ONE OF MY CONCERNS RIGHT NOW IS DO WE CONTINUE DOWN THE PATH THAT WE'VE BEEN GOING IN? THAT IS THIS ROLLER COASTER OF PUTTING BANDAGES ON A PROBLEM THAT MAYBE THIS AREA WE NEED TO REPURPOSE, MAYBE WE NEED TO RELOOK AT IT.

WE'RE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING WITH THIS AREA NOW THAT MAYBE THE INTENT AND PURPOSE IS, IT'S JUST NOT THERE. I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS OR IS NOT, BUT I DO KNOW THIS.

THERE WAS THE POSSIBILITY ON FATHER'S DAY OF SOMEONE BEING KILLED OUT THERE, AND I DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN DURING MY WATCH.

THERE WAS A POSSIBILITY OF YOU COULDN'T EVEN GET UP AND DOWN THAT ROAD, YOU'VE GOT ONE ENTRANCE AND ONE EXIT, THAT ONE ROAD.

THAT'S A PROBLEM IN ITSELF.

THERE'S NO OTHER PLACE THAT I KNOW OF THAT WE WOULD TRY TO DO THE TYPE OF THING.

AND BY THE WAY, MAYOR, IF, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE TIME LIMITS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, I'M A PREACHER NOW. SO YOU YOU MIGHT TO PULL MY COATTAILS? ALL RIGHT. THAT'S ENOUGH ED, ALL RIGHT.

OK, NO COMMENT.

OK, I'M JUST SAYING THAT I'M VERY CONCERNED RIGHT NOW ABOUT THIS AREA AND WHAT I THINK THAT WE NEED TO DO.

I LIKE THE IDEA.

I LIKE YOUR SUGGESTION.

YES. KEEPING IT OPEN DURING THE WEEK, MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, CLOSING IT ON THE WEEKENDS AND HOLIDAYS. BUT I DON'T WANT TO GO GIVE UP ON IT.

I DON'T WANT TO GIVE UP ON IT BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A VERY VALUABLE PIECE OF PROPERTY IS THE ONLY PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT I KNOW IN THE CITY, MAYBE EVEN IN THIS ENTIRE COUNTY THAT HAS ACCESS TO WAY THAT IT HAS.

AND WITH THE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING ACROSS THE LAKEFRONT, WITH ALL THE BUILDINGS, THE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT ARE TAKING PLACE THERE, WE CAN CERTAINLY, I THINK, MAKE USE OF IT. AND SO I THINK THAT WHAT WE MIGHT WANT TO DO BEFORE WE OPEN IT UP AGAIN IS PUT TOGETHER A TASK FORCE, PUT TOGETHER A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT WE DON'T JUST LOOK FOR SHORT TERM REMEDIES. WE LOOK FOR THE REAL LONG TERM REMEDY AND WE TAKE SOME TIME.

IT MAY TAKE 60 DAYS, 90 DAYS, I DON'T KNOW.

BUT WE TAKE SOME REAL TIME AND WE TALK TO OTHER COUNTIES, MAYBE OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE EXPERIENCING MAYBE THE SAME THING.

I HAD SOME OF THE SAME PROBLEM AND HOW THEY REMEDIED IT.

BUT WE COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT WE CAN BRING BACK TO COUNCIL THAT IS NOT A SHORT TERM REMEDY, BUT IT'S A REAL REMEDY.

AND WE HAVEN'T EVEN TALKED THAT MUCH ABOUT HOW 19 IS GOING TO IMPACT IT.

BUT THAT THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I AM AT THIS POINT, IS THAT I HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO THOSE CITIZENS AND I'M GETTING CALLS.

I'M GETTING CALLS EVERY DAY.

BUT THEY'RE NOT CALLING SAYING THAT THEY WANT IT CLOSED AS MUCH AS THEY WANT IT CONTROLLED. IN OTHER WORDS, THESE ARE OLDER PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF.

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THEY UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF THE AREA.

BUT I HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO THEM, BUT I ALSO HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO YOU AND TO THE PARKS AND TO AND SO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS WHOLE PICTURE.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO ASK COUNCIL.

AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE GO ABOUT DOING THAT, MR. VERA. I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE US PULL TOGETHER A TEAM OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

THE PARKS AND RECREATION, ALONG WITH CITY MANAGER, OUR LAW FIRM.

AND WE COME UP WITH SOMETHING REAL ABOUT HOW TO GO ABOUT REMEDYING THIS PROBLEM.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU, SIR.

ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? UH, CHIEF? I WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, CHIEF, YOU MENTIONED IN YOUR PRESENTATION THAT THE PROBLEMS AT THE PARK WERE TAKING OVER THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I WOULD ARGUE TO SAY THAT THEY'RE REALLY TAKING OVER THE CITY WHEN WE HAVE A PARK THAT REQUIRES GIVE OR TAKE 60 STAFF MEMBERS TO COORDINATE AND CONTROL THAT, UH, THAT IT'S UNACCEPTABLE, TO SAY THE LEAST.

SO BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD, CAN YOU TELL JUST SO WE ALL HAVE THE INFORMATION OF WHAT IS YOUR RECOMMENDATION? SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE CLOSE THE PARK ON FRIDAY, SATURDAY AND SUNDAY AND HOLIDAYS. OK, ALL RIGHT.

AND DOES THAT HAVE A TIMEFRAME ATTACHED TO IT? ARE WE TALKING THROUGH OCTOBER THROUGH TO I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THE WEATHER COMES IN AT SOME POINT, BUT DO YOU HAVE A SET TIME FRAME FOR THAT NOW? WHEN DOES IT END? WELL, IT ENDS WHEN WE HAVE A PLAN.

OK, MANAGE THAT.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT PLAN IS.

I WOULD I WISH I COULD GIVE YOU SOME SUGGESTIONS THAT, HEY, HERE'S AN EASY SOLUTION.

THERE IS NO EASY SOLUTION AT THIS POINT.

NO SET, NO SET END DATE.

THIS WOULD BE ONGOING? THROUGH THE SUMMER, YES.

THROUGH THE SUMMER, AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN.

WORK ON A LONG TERM SUGGESTION, AGAIN, AT THIS POINT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS, BUT, UH, OK, THAT WOULD BE THE ULTIMATE GOAL, OK, IN COUNCIL TO THAT POINT.

UH, WHAT WAS IT, A MONTH AGO? I GUESS WE DID AGREE ON SOME LONG TERM SOLUTIONS FOR THIS PARK, THE GATED TICKETED ENTRY AND SOME PERIMETER FENCING, ET CETERA.

SO THE QUESTION IS, AT THIS POINT, DO WE WANT TO CONTINUE IN THAT DIRECTION? DO WE NEED TO STAND DOWN OR PULL BACK ON ANY OF THOSE IDEAS UNTIL WE COME UP WITH SOME OTHER SOLUTIONS? OR DO WE CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD? I THINK A MONTH TO I KNOW WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED IN THE CONSENT AGENDA THE PURCHASE OF THE ACTUAL TICKET BOOTH.

SO WE'VE SORT OF STARTED A PROCESS HERE.

DO WE DO WE CONTINUE THAT PROCESS? IS THERE OPPOSITION TO CONTINUING THAT PROCESS AS WE REDEFINE AND DEFINE THIS PLAN? COUNCIL MEMBER AUBIN? THANK YOU, MAYOR.

WELL, I GUESS I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF, WHICH IS ARE WE AT A POINT WHERE WE CAN STOP ON THE BOOTH AND WAIT? BECAUSE IT BECOMES CLEAR TO ME THAT HAVING A BOOTH ISN'T GOING TO DO US ANY GOOD IF WE DON'T HAVE A MORE HOLISTIC SOLUTION REGARDING INGRESS AND EGRESS, HANDLING THE TRAFFIC INSIDE AND OUTSIDE AND IN CONTROLLING ACCESS TO THE PARK FROM THE WOODS, FROM THE ADJACENT OR ABUTTING HOMES.

AND, YOU KNOW, GOD KNOWS WHAT ELSE.

OTHER WAYS. YES, SIR.

SO AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, THOSE APPROVED PURCHASES WERE PUT IN A HOLDING PATTERN, KIND OF PENDING SOME COUNCIL DIRECTION, ONCE WE KIND OF REALIZED VERY QUICKLY WHERE THIS WAS GOING, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD NOT OVEREXTENDED AN OBLIGATION THAT WASN'T GOING TO PROVIDE A GOOD SOLUTION.

SO IT, WE'RE AT A STOPPING POINT NOW WHERE IT'S NOT GOING TO CREATE ANY ISSUES FOR US UNTIL BETTER GUIDANCE.

WELL THAT WAS VERY WISE, UNSURPRISING BUT WISE.

AND THE CURRENT PLAN WE HAVE IN PLACE IS TO HIRE ONE MARSHAL.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 2500 PEOPLE THAT ARE DRINKING ALCOHOL TO HIRE ONE MARSHAL.

SO EVEN IF WE WERE TO PUT ALL THOSE THINGS IN PLACE, WE NEED 12 TO 14 OFFICERS EVERY DAY AT THIS PARK. IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TWENTY FIVE HUNDRED PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE ALLOWED IN DRINKING ALCOHOL.

SO THAT'S ANOTHER CONCERN.

BUT I KNOW WE HAD, I THINK, WE HAD A VERY DIFFERENT VIEW OF WHAT THINGS WOULD LOOK LIKE WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN MAY.

AND WE DID HAVE SOME CONVERSATION.

AND I BELIEVE THE UPSHOT OF LIKE THE, YOU KNOW, WHO TO CHARGE AND HOW MUCH AND EVERYTHING WAS WAS KIND OF A YOU KNOW, WE'LL WORRY ABOUT THAT WHEN WE GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE HAVE A BOOTH AND WE CAN CHARGE

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AND SO I KIND OF FEEL LIKE AT THIS POINT, THE BOOTH ALONE AND ONE OR HOWEVER MANY MARSHALS IS NOT A SOLUTION, IS NOT A HOLISTIC SOLUTION.

AND WE NEED TO COME UP WITH A HOLISTIC SOLUTION, CLOSE IT FOR NOW, COME UP WITH A HOLISTIC SOLUTION THAT HAS A PRICE TAG THAT COUNCIL CAN TALK ABOUT, BECAUSE THAT MAY BE I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

AND IT MAY BE THAT WE MAY, CAN COME DOWN TO THAT IN A FEW MONTHS AND REALIZE THAT IT'S JUST WHOLLY UNREASONABLE.

I HOPE IT'S NOT. BUT THE COST OF CONTROLLING ACCESS IS, YOU KNOW, A FENCE, A PERIMETER FENCE, IT COVERS ALL OF THAT WOULD BE SUBSTANTIAL.

THAT ALONE ADDING A SECOND INGRESS AND EGRESS POINT, MAYBE THROUGH THE WOODS OR WHEREVER THOSE FOLKS CAME IN WOULD BE, IF NOT IMPOSSIBLE, BE FRIGHTFULLY EXPENSIVE.

SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE NEED TO KIND OF PULL THE FOOT OFF THE GAS ON THE TICKET BOOTH UNTIL THAT BECOMES PART OF A HOLISTIC SOLUTION.

THAT'S MY THOUGHT. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

THANK YOU, SIR.

COUNCIL MEMBER HEDRICK? THANK YOU. I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN AUBIN THAT UNTIL WE KNOW THAT THAT BOOTH IS IN THE RIGHT LOCATION, THE TRAFFIC FLOW AND ALL THAT, I AGREE TO STOP IT ON THIS, HOLDING OFF AND I CERTAINLY AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN MOORE AND HIS IDEA OF GETTING A MASTER PLAN, MORE OR LESS. I KNOW WE'VE HAD PARK STUDY PARK STUDIES DONE FOR OTHER PARKS, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF ONE HAS BEEN DONE FOR THIS AND WHAT THE ULTIMATE LOOK OF THIS PARK MAY LOOK LIKE.

SO I THINK WE SHOULD START THERE AND PUT SOME RESOURCES INTO IT.

MAYBE SOME MASTER PLANNING, KNOWING THE UNKNOWNS ABOUT THE ROUTING OF THE TOLLWAY TO COME THROUGH AND ALL THAT SORT OF THING.

BUT WE CERTAINLY CAN PLAN FOR EMERGENCY ACCESS NOW AND THINGS THAT WE CAN CONTROL.

SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE SHOULD START.

AND I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN MOORE. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, SIR. ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENT? ALL RIGHT. SO I'M SORRY, THE SCREEN'S SPLASHING AND DISTRACTED ME.

ALL RIGHT, SO, COUNCIL, YOU'VE HEARD THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH CLOSING THE PARK ON FRIDAY, SATURDAY, SUNDAY, OBVIOUSLY OPEN MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY AND STILL LIMITING. IS THAT STILL LIMITING THE CAPACITY ON THE MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY? YES, YES.

OK. ALL RIGHT.

AND THEN ALSO, AS FAR AS THE FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'VE ALREADY STARTED MOVING FORWARD TO IS TO HOLD ON THOSE.

IS THERE ANY OPPOSITION TO THE RECOMMENDATION AND HOLDING ON THE IMPROVEMENTS? I SEE NONE, AND MR. BRADFORD OR MR. BATES, AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW, WE'VE OBVIOUSLY WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS PARK AT GREAT LENGTH.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ITS PROBLEMS, ITS POTENTIALS, AND AS FAR AS FORMING A SORT OF WORKING GROUP ON IT, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THE BASE OF THAT GROUP IS SITTING HERE IN FRONT OF US.

IS THERE ANYTHING ADDITIONAL WE WOULD NEED TO DO MOVING FORWARD TO SPECIFICALLY LOOK AT OTHER ENHANCEMENTS OR ISSUES AT THIS PARK? I BELIEVE WE HAVE WHAT WE NEED WITH OUR STAFF.

AND WE'D BE, OF COURSE, WORKING WITH WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT EVERYTHING AS COUNCIL'S ASKED AND WHAT THAT WOULD BE IF WE COME UP WITH A LONG TERM PERMANENT SOLUTION, EVERYTHING THAT WOULD GO WITH THAT, WE'LL BE TALKING TO TXDOT AGAIN WILL BE REACHING OUT TO ALL OF OUR PARTNERS.

SO I THINK WE HAVE THE RESOURCES WE NEED.

AND, OF COURSE, WE'LL CONTINUE TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE COMMUNITY, ALL OF THOSE AS WE PUT THIS TOGETHER.

IT'LL TAKE US SOME TIME, BUT WE'LL DO THAT.

AND I JUST WANTED TO MENTION, TOO, THAT FOR THE CLOSING, THE PARK WILL BE COMING BACK TO YOU WITH THE REVISED ORDINANCE THAT WOULD SPELL THAT OUT, AS CHIEF BRYAN HAD INDICATED EARLIER AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING IN TWO WEEKS.

SO, OK, COUNCIL MEMBER MOORE? YES. CAN WE PUT SOME TYPE OF DATE ON THAT 60 DAYS, 90 DAYS IN ORDER TO WANT TO TRY AND FACILITATE IT, THOUGH? I DON'T WANT IT TO BE IN PERPETUITY.

IS THERE SOMETHING YOU CAN DO IN THE WAY OF A DATE? BUT WE CAN DO NINE OR ONE SUGGESTION.

MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME TO GET THROUGH THIS SUMMER.

SO EVEN IF WE PUT AND WE'LL COME BACK, EVEN IF WE PUT BY THE END OF THE YEAR, I MEAN, IT'S REALLY NOT AN ISSUE FOR US ONCE WE GET THROUGH LABOR DAY, THAT KIND OF THING.

SO WE'LL COME BACK WITH A DATE AND WE'LL TALK TO A STAFF THAT'LL GET US THROUGH THE SUMMER AND GET US TIME FOR THE COMMITTEE, THE TASK FORCE, TO GET TOGETHER TO WORK ON LONG TERM SOLUTIONS WELL IN ADVANCE OF NEXT YEAR AND WHAT THAT LONG TERM SOLUTION MAY BE.

AND THEN THAT'LL GIVE COUNCIL AN OPPORTUNITY IN THE FUTURE, ONCE WE GET THROUGH THE SUMMER TO COME BACK AND EXPLORE WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO.

WHAT ARE OUR OPTIONS GOING LONG TERM INTO NEXT SUMMER?

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BECAUSE WE DEFINITELY WANT TO HAVE THIS, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THAT PLAN IS GOING TO BE WELL IN PLACE BEFORE THEN.

SO THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION THAT WE GET THROUGH THIS SUMMER, KEEP IT CLOSE THIS SUMMER AND THEN WORK FROM THERE.

OK, COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMS? YES, I'M THINKING HERE, YEAH, I'M STILL, OLD HABITS.

I'LL STEP BACK. OLD HABITS ARE HARD TO BREAK; OK? OK, WE HAVE TWO OF THEM IN THE HALL TONIGHT. OH.

JUST, JUST WORKING THROUGH COUNCILMAN MOORE, JUST A SUGGESTION.

WITH AS HE SO CHOOSES, THAT WE HAVE SOME NEIGHBORS, SOME CITIZENS THAT CAN COME INTO THIS PROCESS. YES.

ON THE FRONT END? YES, SIR. AND BE ACTIVELY INVOLVED AND WORK AS A PART OF THIS TASK GROUP? YES, SIR, WE DO.

WE ALREADY HAVE MANY THAT ARE REGULARLY INVOLVED WITH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD POLICE OFFICERS, OUR PARKS. BUT WE'LL WE'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR OTHERS WHO MAY WANT TO GET INVOLVED AND HAVE INFORMATION.

ACTUALLY HAVE SOME DESIGNATED REPRESENTATION OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS DESIGNATED.

I THINK THAT WOULD ALSO ADD A DIMENSION TO THIS PROBLEM.

I THINK IT WON'T BE A PROBLEM.

THINK. OK, ALL RIGHT.

I THINK THERE'S I THINK THAT WRAPS THIS ITEM.

I TELL YOU WHAT COUNCIL, I KNOW THE NEXT ITEM IS GOING TO BE FAIRLY LONG IN DISCUSSION.

SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE A RECESS.

LET'S HAVE EVERYBODY BACK AT 7:30, PLEASE.

7:30.

IT IS JULY 5TH, 2021, WE ARE COMING BACK FROM RECESS FROM OUR WORK SESSION AND WE ARE AT ITEM 4B PRIORITIZATION OF HOLFORD ROAD AND FLOOD SAFETY ENHANCEMENTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

I BELIEVE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, COUNCIL MEMBER HEDRICK REQUESTED THAT WE EXPLORE THE POSSIBILITY OF MOVING UP THE HOLFORD ROAD SEGMENT C PORTION OF THAT REBUILD.

AND THEN THERE WERE ALSO SOME QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL ABOUT EXPLORING SOME TECHNOLOGY AND OTHER THINGS THAT GO ALONG WITH ROADWAY FLOODING AND THE SAFETY MEASURES THAT WE PUT IN PLACE. SO WE'VE COMBINE THOSE INTO ONE PRESENTATION TODAY, AND THAT'S JUST RESTATING THE TWO PORTIONS OF THIS THAT WE'LL GO OVER.

SO AS A REMINDER, THE HOLFORD ROAD SEGMENT C HERE IS THE PORTION THAT'S IN RED IN FRONT OF YOU. AND OF COURSE, IT DOES INCLUDE THE HOLFORD ROAD BRIDGE AS WELL.

AT SPRING CREEK SEGMENT C IS ONE PART OF A THREE PART SEGMENT ALIGNMENT STUDY WAS COMPLETED BACK IN APRIL OF 2020.

IT WILL BE A FOUR LANE DIVIDED ROADWAY.

THE PROPOSED BRIDGE WILL BE 15 FEET HIGHER THAN THE CURRENT BRIDGE AND ABOVE THE 100 YEAR FLOOD PLAIN ELEVATION.

OF COURSE TO, ONCE WE GET READY TO DO HOLFORD ROAD SEGMENT C, HOLFORD ROAD ITSELF WILL HAVE TO BE CLOSED DOWN FOR THAT FOR CONSTRUCTION, WHICH IS ESTIMATED TO TAKE ABOUT 18-24 MONTHS. THE FIRST THING THEY'LL HAVE TO DO IS REMOVE THE BRIDGE, OF COURSE, BEFORE THEY CAN CONSTRUCT A NEW BRIDGE ALONG WITH THAT NEW ROADWAY.

ONE OF THE CHALLENGES FOR US, OF COURSE, FIRE STATION SIX IS ON HOLFORD ROAD, SO ANY CONSTRUCTION ON THE ROADWAY WILL HAVE TO TAKE PLACE AFTER FIRE STATION SIX HAS MOVED TO ITS NEW LOCATION.

AND THEN I HAVE ANOTHER SLIDE ON THAT HERE IN JUST A MINUTE.

AND HERE I AM. SO JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF A SCHEDULE, THAT TOP BAR, IF YOU WILL, CURRENT SCHEDULE.

HOLFORD ROAD SEGMENT C WAS SCHEDULED FOR DESIGN BEGINNING IN EARLY 2023 THROUGH NOVEMBER OF 2024, WITH CONSTRUCTION BEGINNING AT THAT TIME AND THEN COMPLETION BASICALLY MID TO LATE 2026.

AND OF COURSE THESE ARE ESTIMATED TIMELINES REST OF THAT ON THESE.

SO THAT WAS THE CURRENT SCHEDULE WITHIN THE BOND PROGRAM.

IF WE PRIORITIZE THAT SCHEDULE TO MOVE UP HOLFORD ROAD SEGMENT C, WE COULD POTENTIALLY BEGIN DESIGN IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE, THIS FALL, COMPLETE THAT DESIGN BY EARLY '23, MARCH OF'23 IS WHAT WE ESTIMATE.

BUT IF YOU TAKE A LOOK DOWN AT THE BOTTOM FIRE STATION SIX CONSTRUCTION IS SCHEDULED TO BEGIN JULY '22 THROUGH JULY OF '23.

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SO IF THAT STAYS ON TARGET, THEN WE COULD START CONSTRUCTION OF HOLFORD ROAD SEGMENT C BEGINNING ONCE FIRE STATION SIX HAS BEEN COMPLETED AGAIN ESTIMATED JULY '23, THAT WOULD MOVE UP THE COMPLETION OF HOLFORD ROAD SEGMENT C TO EARLY TO MID 2025.

BUT THAT GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT OF A SNAPSHOT OF THE BASICALLY THE CALENDAR OR TIMELINE THAT WE'D BE LOOKING AT.

SO BUT AGAIN, THAT'S WHY IT'S IN RED DOWN THERE, FIRE STATION SIX WOULD HAVE TO BE, AND WE'VE LOOKED AT TRYING TO MOVE THAT UP.

IT'S POSSIBLE WE COULD TRY TO COMPLETE THAT A LITTLE BIT SOONER ON THE CONSTRUCTION.

BUT FIRE STATION SIX HAS TO BE COMPLETED FIRST FOR US TO TO START WORK ON HOLFORD ROAD.

SO TO MOVE THIS PROJECT UP, WE WOULD LOOK AT, OF COURSE, THE TOTAL COST OF HOLFORD ROAD.

SEGMENT C IS 20.7 MILLION.

AND IF YOU WILL, LOOK AT THE CHART I HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU, THE CURRENT SCHEDULE HAS 200,000 IN '22.

1.2 MILLION IN '23, 2 MILLION IN '24.

AND THEN THE BULK OF IT IS WHEN CONSTRUCTION OCCURS IN '25 AND '26, THAT 14.6 MILLION AND 2.7. SO IN ESSENCE WHAT THAT MEANS IS THOSE NUMBERS AND SHADED IN BLUE IS ABOUT 3.4 MILLION. THOSE ARE IN THE CURRENT AND THE APPROPRIATE TIME LINE, BUT THE OTHER 17.3 MILLION WE WOULD NEED TO MOVE UP EARLIER IN THE BOND PROGRAM ARE IN OUR ANNUAL CIPS.

SO WE HAVE TO MOVE UP 17.3 MILLION, WHICH MEANS WE HAVE TO FIND 17.3 MILLION WORTH OF PROJECTS. TO MOVE BACK AND THEN THE REST OF THAT WOULD BE SHOWING THE AMOUNT THAT WE WOULD NEED TO MOVE UP EACH YEAR FOR THAT TO HAPPEN.

SO HERE WHAT WE LOOKED AT AND COUNCIL MEMBER HEDRICK ASKED US TO LOOK AT PROJECTS IN HIS DISTRICT AND WE DID THAT AND WE HAVE CALLEJO ROAD THAT'S SCHEDULED FOR SOME DESIGN WORK THIS YEAR IN 2021.

THAT'S 800 THOUSAND.

AND THEN THE BULK OF IT, 5.1 MILLION IN 2022.

AND THEN HOLFORD REC CENTER IS 6.1 MILLION IN 2022.

WELL IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE TWO PROJECTS COMBINED FROM COUNCIL DISTRICT SEVEN AND THAT'S WHAT THE SHADING IN YELLOW IS INDICATING, THAT'S FROM COUNCIL DISTRICT SEVEN, THAT'S ABOUT 12 MILLION DOLLARS.

SO WE WOULD NEED TO LOCATE ANOTHER 5.3 DOLLARS MILLION WORTH OF PROJECTS THAT COULD BE IDENTIFIED, WHETHER IT WOULD BE ONE OR MORE THAT COULD POTENTIALLY MOVE BACK, BE DELAYED SO WE CAN MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD.

AND WHAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU IS JUST A NUMBER OF THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE ONGOING DURING THIS SAME TIME SPAN, WHICH WOULD BE POTENTIAL OPTIONS FOR THIS TO OCCUR.

SO THAT TIES IN WITH HOLFORD ROAD SEGMENT C, HOLFORD ROAD IS ONE OF SIX LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT THE CITY WHERE WE HAVE HIGH WATER ROAD CLOSURE GATES, AS YOU MAY REMEMBER, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE A TEAM THAT WORKS ON ON A REGULAR BASIS.

OUR STREETS DEPARTMENT, THEY COORDINATE WITH EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, IT COORDINATES WITH POLICE AND FIRE ON THESE LOCATIONS.

WHEN THERE COMES DOWN TO A HIGH WATER SITUATION, FLOODING OF ANY TYPE, THEY COORDINATE IN REGARD TO THE CLOSURE OF THOSE GATES AND OTHER OPTIONS THAT THEY LOOK AT WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO THAT. SO JUST AS A REMINDER HERE, SOME OF THE SIGNAGE THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN PLACE AT THE SIX LOCATIONS, FLOOD GAUGES, AND THEN, OF COURSE, SOME OF THE SIGNS THAT YOU SEE THERE TALKING ABOUT THE ROAD MAY FLOOD AND DON'T CROSS WHEN FLOODED.

THOSE ARE SOME OF THE TYPES OF SIGNAGE THAT WE HAVE OUT AT THESE LOCATIONS.

SO FROM A SHORT TERM, WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, ROADWAY FLOODING AND IN PARTICULAR AT HOLFORD ROAD SEGMENT C, WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT AND NOT ONLY THERE, BUT EVEN AT SOME OF THE OTHER LOCATIONS, ALL SIX LOCATIONS CITYWIDE, WE CONTINUE TO LOOK AND THIS IS AN ONGOING PROCESS.

WE EVALUATE HOW WE CAN ENHANCE THOSE LIGHTING SYSTEMS AND SAFETY SYSTEMS, OUR PROCESSES THAT WE GO THROUGH TO MONITOR AND MANAGE ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.

AND AGAIN, THOSE ARE THE LISTED THERE FOR YOU TO THE DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN

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THAT PROCESS. I HAVE GONE OUT AND LOOKED AND TALKED WITH SOME OF OUR COUNTERPARTS, WITH OTHER CITIES AND FOUND THAT WE DO HAVE A VERY ROBUST PROCESS IN PLACE WHEN COMPARED WITH OTHER CITIES. AND THERE ARE PROCESSES.

AND OF COURSE, WE CAN ALWAYS LEARN FROM EACH OTHER.

THERE'S THINGS WE CAN LEARN FROM OTHER CITIES AND OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING THAT OTHER CITIES ARE NOW EXPLORING DOING AFTER THEY'VE LEARNED FROM US.

SO ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS AT A COUPLE OF OUR LOCATIONS. I KNOW HOLFORD ROAD BRIDGE IS ONE OF THESE IS EXTENDING THE GUARDRAIL AND MAYBE ADDING SOME BOLLARDS IN THOSE LOCATIONS WHERE FLOODING DOES OCCUR ON OCCASION TO HELP MINIMIZE ANY POTENTIAL ISSUES THERE OR CONTINUOUSLY LOOKING AT WE'VE GOT A LOT OF SIGNAGE OUT THERE, BUT WE ALWAYS LOOK TO SEE IF THERE ARE THINGS WE CAN DO TO IMPROVE AND AND THAT KIND OF SITUATION.

AND AGAIN, WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT COORDINATION OF FLOODING, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, WHEN WE'RE GETTING HEAVY RAINS HERE IN THE CITY.

OUR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT TEAM MONITORS THAT AND THEY MONITOR IT.

TWENTY FOUR SEVEN THREE HUNDRED SIXTY FIVE DAYS A YEAR, THEY NETWORK AND COORDINATE WITH OTHER EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT TEAMS FROM OTHER CITIES.

THEY WORK WITH THE REGION.

THEY WORK WITH THE STATE.

IT IS A HUGE NETWORK.

AND WE CONSTANTLY MONITOR THE LEVEL OF RAIN THAT WE'RE RECEIVING HERE IN GARLAND.

BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S BEING DISCUSSED ACTUALLY STATEWIDE IS RAINFALL IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS THAT THEN THEN FLOWS DOWN THE CREEKS DOWNSTREAM.

FOR EXAMPLE, I KNOW WE'VE HAD SOME INCIDENTS THAT HAVE OCCURRED HERE AS OTHER CITIES HAVE, WHERE THERE WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANTLY HEAVY RAINFALL, SIX TO NINE INCHES AND A LOCATION, FOR EXAMPLE, IF COLLIN COUNTY GETS HIT HARD WITH SOME HEAVY RAINFALL, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT RAINING HEAVY HERE, THEN IT FLOWS DOWNSTREAM AND WE RUN INTO SOME FLOODING CHALLENGES. SO THAT NETWORKING, THAT COMMUNICATION IS SOMETHING THAT NOT ONLY WE ARE EXPLORING, BUT OTHER CITIES ARE EXPLORING.

THE NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENT AT MANY DIFFERENT LEVELS ARE TRYING TO LOOK AT THAT OF HOW BEST TO ANTICIPATE RAIN FROM OTHER JURISDICTIONS CAUSING FLOODING CONDITIONS IN OUR CITY OR IN OTHER CITIES.

SO THAT'S ONE THING THAT WE CONTINUE TO LOOK AT AS WELL.

AND AGAIN, IT'S AN ONGOING PROCESS BY STAFF.

WE'RE LOOKING AT EVERYTHING WE CAN ADD OF ALL OF OUR LOCATIONS.

I KNOW MANY OF YOU HAVE BEEN IN BRIEFINGS BEFORE WHAT WE DO BETWEEN OUR STREETS DEPARTMENT AND ALL THESE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE INVOLVED, WE'RE CONSTANTLY EVALUATING ON HOW BEST TO TO IMPROVE OUR PROCESSES.

YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE HAD TO REMEMBER AND KEEP IN MIND IS THAT THERE'S NO ONE SINGLE SYSTEM OUT THERE THAT WORKS FOR ALL LOCATIONS, SOME OF THEM ARE DIFFERENT.

SOME OF OUR LOCATIONS, IF YOU REMEMBER, CAMPBELL ROAD IS ONE OF THE LOCATIONS WE OCCASIONALLY HAVE SOME FLOODING, BUT THERE'S NO BRIDGE INVOLVED THERE.

IT IS OVERFLOW COMING OUT FROM OTHER PLACES, FROM CREEKS, BUT IT'S NOT A BRIDGE OVERFLOW SITUATION. SO WE'VE BEEN EXPLORING DIFFERENT TYPES OF TECHNOLOGY THAT CAN HELP WITH NOTIFICATION SYSTEMS. THERE'S A TECHNOLOGY OUT THERE THAT BASICALLY YOU ATTACH THE DEVICE ON EITHER SIDE OF THE BRIDGE, IT'LL SHOOT A BEAM DOWN TO THE WATER LEVEL, BOUNCES BACK UP.

BUT WHEN IT GETS TO A CERTAIN LEVEL, THEN IT CAN SEND OUT A NOTIFICATION TO A TEAM OF PERSONNEL, IT'S AN ADDITIONAL CHECK TO MONITOR IT.

THAT'S JUST ONE TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY THAT'S OUT THERE.

BUT WHAT WE HAVE FOUND IS THAT THERE ARE MANY OF THESE TECHNOLOGIES ARE NEW AND CUTTING EDGE. THEY ARE NOT KNOWN, RELIABLE, ESTABLISHED.

THEY'RE USED FOR OTHER PURPOSES AND THEY'RE NOW BEING ADAPTED INTO THIS AREA THAT'S REALLY RELATIVELY NEW IN THE TECHNOLOGY WORLD.

SO WE'RE STILL IN THE PROCESS OF EXPLORING ALL THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF TECHNOLOGIES.

AGAIN, WE'VE BEEN REACHING OUT TO OTHER CITIES.

IT'S JUST AN ONGOING PROCESS FOR US.

SAME THING WITH THE STATE. SAME THING WITH ALL THESE OTHER ENTITIES THAT ARE OUT THERE TRYING TO NETWORK AND COORDINATE TO FIND WHAT WORKS, WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO BE ABLE TO IMPROVE OUR PROCESSES.

SO THAT GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT OF AN OVERVIEW.

I KNOW WE DID HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT SOME OF THE TECHNOLOGY THAT'S AVAILABLE OUT THERE.

WE ARE STILL EXPLORING ALL THOSE.

AGAIN, ONE OF THE THINGS WE LOOKED AT, I THINK THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT AUTOMATED ARMS FOR THE GATES. IF THOSE COME DOWN, THERE IS SOME TECHNOLOGY OUT THERE LIKE THAT.

IT'S JUST A MATTER OF MAKING SURE HOW EFFECTIVE IT IS.

DOES IT WORK? ARE THERE ANY MALFUNCTIONS THAT GO INTO IT? ALL OF THESE TECHNOLOGIES ARE COMBINED WITH THE HUMAN COMPONENT OF STAFF INVOLVED, ENGAGED. WHEN WE DO HAVE FLOODING SITUATIONS HERE, OFTENTIMES WE'LL HAVE OUR STREETS DEPARTMENT STAFF, THEY ARE ACTUALLY OUT IN THE FIELD WHEN THERE'S ANY KIND OF FLOODING TYPE SITUATION, THEY GET NOTIFIED BY WHETHER IT'S EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT OR POLICE OR FIRE

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OR ANY OTHER DEPARTMENT THAT'S OUT IN THE FIELD, SAY, HEY, WE GOT FLOODING CONDITIONS THERE ARE NOTIFIED AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY OUT THERE ON CALL, NOT ONLY ON CALL, THEY'RE OUT IN THE FIELD MONITORING THESE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.

SO WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH ALL THOSE TO FIND OUT WHAT WORKS BEST.

WE'VE TALKED WITH SEVERAL CITIES, SEVERAL OTHER LOCATIONS, AND WE'RE HEARING ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT THINGS OR WHAT THEY LIKE, WHAT THEY DON'T LIKE.

SOME HAVE ALREADY GONE OUT AND BOUGHT SOME TECHNOLOGY AND SAID, NOW, THAT DIDN'T WORK OUT VERY WELL. THAT WASN'T AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT TO DO.

SO WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO EXPLORE DIFFERENT WAYS TO IMPROVE OUR CURRENT PROCESS IN REGARD TO ROADWAY FLOODING AND THEN THE TYPES OF OPTIONS THAT WE MAY HAVE TO MINIMIZE THAT IN THE FUTURE.

SO WITH THAT MAYOR, I ALSO DO HAVE AN LET ME THROW OUT SOME KUDOS TO THE FOLKS THAT DID THE REAL WORK HERE AND PUT ALL THIS TO A PRESENTATION AND ALL THIS DATA TOGETHER FOR ME.

OF COURSE, STEVE OLIVER, OUR STREETS DIRECTOR, RICK GALCERAN OUR PROJECT, OUR DIRECTOR OF PROJECT MANAGEMENT OFFICE, SEAN GASPERICH, I THINK MOST ALL OF YOU KNOW FROM AECOM.

SO THEY COORDINATED WITH THEIR STAFF MEMBERS TO KIND OF PUT THIS DATA TOGETHER.

SO, OF COURSE, IF YOU HAVE ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS, I'M GOING TO TURN TO THE ENGINEERS TO TO ASK THEM THAT. WE'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

VERY GOOD. COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH? THANK YOU, MAYOR. YOU COVERED MOST OF THE NOTES I HAD MADE WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THIS.

BACK OF THE NAPKIN MATH SAYS WE HAVE ABOUT TWENTY MINUTES TO RESPOND TO A FLASH FLOOD FROM COLLIN COUNTY BEFORE IT MOVES THAT TWO MILES DOWNSTREAM.

AND MY QUESTION IS, DO WE HAVE THAT KIND OF RESPONSE TIME IN PLACE OR DO IT DOES STATION SIX HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO OUT AND CLOSE THAT GATE BEING THE NEAREST GROUP WHAT SO GET ON THAT? SO WE DO HAVE AS A BACKUP WHEN IF THE STREET DEPARTMENT IS EITHER NOT OUT THERE OR MAYBE THEY'RE AT ANOTHER LOCATION, WHATEVER IT IS, BOTH FIRE AND POLICE ARE BACKUPS.

AND CAN THE ONLY CHALLENGE THERE IS IF THEY'RE OUT ON A CALL.

STATION SIX HAD A I CALL THE POLICE OFFICERS THAT ARE WORKING THAT AREA, NOT JUST THAT DISTRICT, BUT THAT IF IT HAPPENS TO BE A BUSY NIGHT, A FLOODING THING, THEY MAY BE TIED UP ELSEWHERE. SO THEN IT'S JUST A MATTER OF GETTING SOMEONE ELSE FROM ANOTHER LOCATION.

BUT OUR TEAM WORKS TOGETHER.

IT'S NOT JUST WAIT FOR STREET DEPARTMENT TO CLOSE IT.

AND ACTUALLY, MANY TIMES IT'S THE THE FIELD OPERATIONS PERSONNEL HAVE CLOSED IT AND THEN IT STREET COMES OUT AND MONITORS AND WE FIGURE OUT WHEN TO REOPEN THOSE GATES.

SO THEY ALL WORK TOGETHER.

WHOEVER CAN GET THERE THE QUICKEST IS WHAT WE WANT TO DO.

OK, BUT YOU SAID THAT OUR NEW PROCESS WILL BE TO MONITOR THOSE WARNINGS FOR COLLIN COUNTY TO KNOW THAT IT'S ON THE WAY.

YES. SO THERE'S NEVER AN ABSOLUTE AND WE'LL BE MONITORING FLASH FLOOD WARNINGS, ALL THE DIFFERENT KINDS OF THINGS.

BUT WILL WE GET EVERYTHING? SO THAT'S ANOTHER PIECE THAT WE'RE ADDING TO WHAT WE DO TO MAKE SURE WE KEEP THAT.

IN THE LOOP FOR ALL OF OUR STAFF THAT DO THIS, BUT EVEN OFTENTIMES THEY MAY NOT REALIZE IMMEDIATELY HOW MUCH THEY GET, BUT THE GOAL IS FOR IN A PERFECT WORLD, EVENTUALLY FOR ALL THE DIFFERENT AGENCIES TO BE WORKING TOGETHER.

AND HOPEFULLY EVENTUALLY TECHNOLOGY WILL HELP US WITH THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

I MEAN, NO, THERE THERE'S EARLY DISCUSSIONS ON A REGIONAL TYPE SYSTEM THAT WOULD HELP WITH WATER FLOW AND CREEKS COMING DOWN.

BUT BUT FOR US, WE KNOW THE TWO PRIMARY CREEKS THAT WE HAVE COME FROM COLLIN COUNTY.

SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE MONITORING.

SO CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT ABSOLUTE TIME.

BUT I THINK THIS IS ONE MORE PIECE THAT THAT HELPS.

AND IT'S ONE MORE THING THAT WE'RE CONTINUING TO WATCH.

SO. I THINK YOU TOUCHED ON AN IMPORTANT POINT, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S SEVERE WEATHER IN THE AREA, IT'S VERY LIKELY THAT STATION SIX WON'T BE AT HOME IN THE BAY, THAT THEY'LL BE OUT RESPONDING TO THINGS.

AND SO I KIND OF WORRY ABOUT LEAVING THOSE GATES IS ONLY A MANUALLY OPERATED THING.

I'D LOVE TO SEE US PURSUE SOME AUTOMATION THAT WAY.

OEM GOOD COULD HIT THE BUTTON AND CLOSE ON STREETS, COULD DO IT OR WHOEVER NEEDS TO COULD HIT IT REMOTELY. THAT ASIDE, OBVIOUSLY LIGHTING IS A BIG ISSUE.

IF YOU CAN SEE THE WATER, TYPICALLY YOU DON'T DRIVE INTO IT.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LIGHTING LOOKS LIKE THERE AT NIGHT.

I DON'T USUALLY DRIVE THAT WAY.

DO WE HAVE AN IDEA OF IF LIGHTING IMPROVEMENTS WOULD MAKE A MAJOR DIFFERENCE IN THE ABILITY TO AVOID THAT KIND OF HAZARD? SO THAT IS YES.

AND THAT'S ONE THING WE'VE ALREADY EXPLORED.

AND WE'VE ALREADY, OF COURSE, NOT ONLY REACHING OUT TO DP&L, I THINK THIS IS ACTUALLY AN ONCOR AREA THAT HAPPENS TO BE RIGHT THROUGH THERE.

BUT WE'VE ALREADY BEEN MEASURING THAT AND WE'RE LOOKING AT JUST IF NOTHING ELSE, YOU KNOW, INCREASING THE AND I'M NOT I CAN'T EVEN THINK OF THE RIGHT WORD HERE, BUT MAKING IT BRIGHTER OUT THERE. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY ON OUR LIST.

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GOOD, JUST TWO MORE QUESTIONS.

AND THE FIRST ONE, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF I KNOW HOW TO ASK IT THE RIGHT WAY.

WE'VE GOT A LOT OF FIRE STATIONS MOVING AS PART OF THIS BOND PACKAGE.

OR DO WE HAVE ANY CONCERN THAT IF WE CHANGE THE TIMELINE OF IMPLEMENTATION, THAT WE WILL CREATE ANY DEFICIENCIES IN OUR COVERAGE AREAS? I DON'T KNOW HOW CAREFULLY THESE MOVEMENTS WERE TIMED ORIGINALLY, AND I DON'T WANT TO UPSET SOMETHING IF IT WAS PUT IN PLACE THAT WAY FOR A REASON.

YEAH, AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE IMPACT, THE OTHER IMPACT, EVEN BEYOND DISTRICT SIX, OR STATION SIX.

YES. YES. SO AS IT RELATES TO STATIONS, STATIONS ONE AND.

YEAH, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE I KNOW WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT AND THAT WAS A FACTOR INTO IT. I CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT TIMELINE OF SOME OF THE OTHERS WE DO LOOK AT AND WE DO WORRY A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE RIPPLE EFFECT.

WHAT ELSE IS OUT THERE THAT WE MIGHT MISS? WE CLEARLY KNOW STATION SIX HAS TO MOVE.

WE'VE GOT TO DO THAT BEFORE WE CAN CLOSE DOWN THAT ROAD NO MATTER WHAT WE DO.

BUT THEN THE QUESTION WOULD BE, WOULD THERE BE ANY OTHER IMPACTS ON THAT? AND I THINK THAT'S JUST UNKNOWN AT THIS TIME.

AND WE'VE HAD OUR DISCUSSION.

SO OK. AND I GUESS THE LAST PIECE IS MORE OF A FUNDING FLOW QUESTION.

I KNOW THAT COUNTY IS HEAVILY INVESTED AS A PARTNER IN THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.

AND DID THE PROJECTIONS THAT YOU GUYS GAVE US IN THIS PRESENTATION, DOES THAT ACCOUNT FOR WHEN COUNTY FUNDING IS GOING TO LAND? AS IT FACTORS INTO OUR OVERALL DEBT CAPACITY? YEAH, I'M GONNA HAVE TO ASK FOR HELP.

THAT'S WHY WE HAVE ENGINEERING.

I KNEW I'D STUMP YOU EVENTUALLY.

AND I WAS JUST GOING TO KEEP ASKING QUESTIONS TILL IT HAPPENED, SO.

MAYBE JOHN KNOWS.

WE'RE STILL NEGOTIATING WITH THE COUNTY ON THE TIMING.

THEY'VE THEY'VE COMMITTED TO HELP ON THIS PROJECT.

IF THE COUNCIL DECIDES TO WORK ON A NEW SCHEDULE OR TO SET NEW PRIORITIES, THEY'RE PRETTY GOOD ABOUT WORKING WITH THIS.

OK. BUT WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THE SCHEDULE FOR THE SCHEDULE OR THE FUNDING FOR THE SCHEDULE THAT'S IN PLACE RIGHT NOW.

SO. OK, SO THERE'S NO GUARANTEE EITHER WAY, BUT THEY'RE PRETTY GOOD PARTNERS? THEY WANT TO BE PARTNERS.

I'LL JUST THAT. YEAH, OK.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU BOTH.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. THANK YOU, SIR.

DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM MORRIS? THANK YOU. UM, I OH, I'M LOOKING AT YOUR SHORT TERM IMPROVEMENT OPTIONS AND EXTRA LIGHT I THINK IS ALWAYS A SAFETY MEASURE.

AND WILL PEOPLE SEE WATER AND STILL DRIVE INTO IT? WELL, YEAH, JUDGING BY THE FACT THAT THAT HAPPENS A LOT, NOT ONLY IN TEXAS BUT EVERYWHERE. BUT I WONDER ABOUT AND IT DOESN'T SAY THAT SPECIFICALLY, IT TALKS ABOUT ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE IMPROVEMENTS, LOOKING AT THE SIGNAGE THAT WE HAVE ALL OVER THE CITY, HAVE WE GIVEN ANY THOUGHT TO LETTING THOSE SIGNS BE INDIVIDUALLY LIT AT NIGHT, NOT JUST LIT FROM STREET LIGHTS AND SURROUNDING LIGHT, BUT ACTUALLY HAVE THOSE SIGNS THEMSELVES BE BACKLIT OR FRONT LIT AT NIGHT? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S A POTENTIAL? A POSSIBILITY? I THINK SO. WE'LL I'LL JUST HAVE TO GET WITH STAFF AND EXPLORE WHAT THOSE OPTIONS MAY BE.

SO, YEAH. YEAH, I WOULD BE VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF INCREASING LIGHT IN EVERY WAY WE COULD JUST BECAUSE THAT I THINK THAT HELPS.

AND THE GUARD EXTENDING GUARDRAILS AND BOLLARDS, HAVING BEEN IN A VEHICLE THAT WENT OFF THE TOP OF A BRIDGE BECAUSE THE GUARDRAILS WERE NOT EXTENDED FAR ENOUGH YEARS AGO.

I'M A BIG FAN OF MAKING SURE THAT THOSE ARE EXTENDED AND THAT CAN BE HELPFUL.

HOPEFULLY PEOPLE WON'T GET IN A PINCH LIKE THAT.

BUT IF THEY DO, THAT CAN BE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN STAYING ON THE ROAD AND NOT.

SO DID STAFF HAVE AN ACTUAL RECOMMENDATION ABOUT THIS? AND I DIDN'T HEAR? WELL, AS FAR AS THE, OUR GOAL IS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE SHORT TERM IMPROVEMENTS ALREADY, THAT WAS WHAT WE'RE DEFINITELY RECOMMENDING.

AND THEN AS FAR AS THE PROJECT, WHETHER WE MOVE THE PROJECT UP AND MOVE OTHERS BACK, THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD NEED DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL ON.

OK, ALL RIGHT.

BUT YOU'RE ALREADY PLANNING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE SHORT TERM IMPROVEMENT OPTIONS TO EVALUATE THEM AND MOVE FORWARD WITH ONES THAT CAN BE DONE? YES, THAT'S CORRECT. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

COUNCIL MEMBER MOORE? THANK YOU, MAYOR. I'M MISSING AND PROBABLY BECAUSE OF MY NEWNESS, I'M MISSING SOMETHING.

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WHY ARE WE WANTING AT THIS POINT TO PLACE ONE PROJECT? WE HAVE A PLAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE, AND WE'RE WANTING TO TAKE ONE PROJECT AND PRIORITIZE ANOTHER OVER IT.

AND WHY ARE WE ASKING TO BEING ASKED TO DO THIS? WELL, AND I THINK THAT'S THE, IT WAS JUST A QUESTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HEDRICK THAT HAD A QUESTION ABOUT MOVING THIS UP.

AND THIS IS JUST ONE OF OUR SIX LOCATIONS.

I THINK WE ALSO HAVE ON THE LIST NAAMAN SCHOOL ROAD IS ALREADY ON THE LIST FOR US TO BE REPAIRING, REPLACING THAT, DEALING WITH SOME FLOODING ISSUES.

AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE ISSUES.

SO I THINK THE THE QUESTION WAS FROM THE COUNCIL MEMBER, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN MOVE UP TO ADDRESS THAT SOONER THAN IT'S CURRENTLY BEING ADDRESSED? AND TO DO THIS, WE STILL HAVE TO FIND FIVE POINT SOMETHING MILLION MORE AND PROJECTS TO MAKE IT HAPPEN? IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? YES, SIR. IF WE MOVE BACK THE IF WE DELAYED THE TWO PROJECTS IN HIS COUNCIL DISTRICT, CALLEJO ROAD AND HOLFORD REC CENTER, THAT GIVES US TWELVE MILLION.

SO WE WOULD NEED ANOTHER FIVE POINT THREE MILLION FROM ONE OR MORE OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE COULD DELAY AND PUSH BACK SO WE CAN MOVE THIS UP AND MAKE IT HAPPEN.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. OK, COUNCIL MEMBER VERA? THANK YOU, MAYOR. I'M NOT HAPPY ABOUT MOVING WALNUT CREEK LIBRARY IN HOLLERBACH CENTER TO PAY FOR THIS PROJECT.

WELL, THOSE AREN'T NOTHING.

NONE OF THAT IS DECIDED.

THAT WAS THE REST OF THESE THAT ARE ON HERE.

WE'RE NOT SAYING MOVE THEM.

THEY JUST WOULD BE POTENTIAL OPTIONS AS STAFF PUT THIS TOGETHER OF DOLLAR AMOUNTS.

BUT, WELL, HOLLERBACH CENTER, WE I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS SINCE 2006 AND NOTHING HAS HAPPENED.

AND NOW WE BOND, WE PASSED THE BOND ISSUE AND THE PEOPLE VOTED AND I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THAT. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

THANK YOU, SIR.

ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I HAVE NO ONE ELSE IN THE QUEUE.

OH, OK. OH, OK, SO NO ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, GO AHEAD, COUNCIL MEMBER HEDRICK. MR. MAYOR COUNCIL.

GIVEN THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS PROJECT, I HOPE THAT WE COULD ALL FIND A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY. AND I'M CERTAINLY WILLING TO SHIFT ALL THE PROJECTS OUT OF MY DISTRICT TO PUSH DOWN THE TIMELINE.

THERE ARE CERTAINLY NOT MANY IN MY DISTRICT THAT I'M WILLING TO PUSH ALL THOSE I HAVE, EVEN THE ONE THAT'S FROM THE 2004 BOMB, THE SMALL PORTION OF CALLEJO ROAD.

THIS, I FEEL IS A VERY IMPORTANT PROJECT TO GET MOVED UP IN THE TIMELINE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. I'M ALL FOR THESE IN THESE PHYSICAL BARRIERS, THESE ENHANCED GUARDRAILS, THE SLIDING THAT WE'RE PROPOSING.

AND THESE ARE ALL VERY GOOD MEASURES THAT WE NEED TO TO PUT IN PLACE AND AND REALLY ENHANCE THAT, THAT THE PROTECTION THAT'S ALREADY THERE AND MAKE IT MORE OF A SAFE ROAD.

BUT I WOULD CERTAINLY HOPE THAT FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS COULD FIND THOSE PROJECTS THAT ARE NOT AS SEXY, THE DRAINAGE PROJECTS, THE OTHER ROADWAY AND PROJECTS THAT COULD BE PUSHED OFF TO A LATER YEAR TO FIND THAT SMALL PORTION WOULD THEN CERTAINLY I DON'T HAVE THAT MANY PROJECTS AT ALL ON THE WHOLE BOND PACKAGE FOR MY THE BOND PROGRAM, THERE'S NOT MANY IN DISTRICT SEVEN, BUT I'M HAPPY TO PUSH ALL THOSE TO THE BACK TO GET THIS PROJECT BUMPED UP. SO I HOPE YOU WOULD JOIN ME IN DOING THAT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

THANK YOU, SIR. I DON'T HAVE ANYONE ELSE IN THE QUEUE.

COUNCIL MEMBER AUBIN? THANK YOU, MAYOR. I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THE CONCERN HERE AND THE REASONS WHY, I DO.

BUT I DON'T IN THIS INSTANCE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT A LOCATION WHERE YOU'VE HAD AN EXTENSIVE HISTORY OF ISSUES HERE, WHICH IS WHY I THINK IT ENDED UP WHERE IT DID ON THE ON THE BOND PROGRAM WHEN WE ALL SAT DOWN AND AGREED ABOUT THE SCHEDULING AND AND IN LOOKING AT FROM WHAT SAFF HAS PRESENTED US, WE'RE LOOKING AT 12 MONTHS OF DIFFERENCE.

AND, YOU KNOW, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT I CAN JUSTIFY THAT AMOUNT OF CHANGE. AND IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DESCRIBE IT, YOU KNOW, NOT NECESSARILY AND NOT IN MY BACKYARD TYPE THING WITH RESPECT TO, YOU KNOW, DON'T TAKE MY PROJECT MONEY.

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BUT I THINK IT'S A PRETTY HEAVY LIFT FOR US TO START MOVING THIS STUFF AROUND.

I SUPPORT YOU KNOW, I KNOW THERE'S ALREADY THERE'S SIGNAGE THAT I FEEL IS LARGELY SUFFICIENT RIGHT NOW WHEN YOU WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT.

BUT I REALIZE THAT WE MAY WANT TO DO ADDITIONAL THINGS.

I'M HAPPY TO DO THOSE ADDITIONAL THINGS.

BUT I FEEL LIKE MOVING THE ENTIRE PROJECT AND RESHUFFLING THE WHOLE BOND PROGRAM IS A BIT OF A HEAVY LIFT, TOO HEAVY OF A LIFT AND OPENS THE DOOR TO OTHER ISSUES.

YOU KNOW, IN MANY WAYS I HATE THE SLIPPERY SLOPE ARGUMENT.

BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD THOSE DISCUSSIONS BEFORE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SHOULD WE TRY AND SLOT IN OTHER PROJECTS OR WERE NOT BOND APPROVED.

YOU KNOW, WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION ABOUT GATEWOOD, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT OPENING THE DOOR TO THAT CONSTANT KIND OF RESHUFFLE.

BUT I FULLY SUPPORT I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN.

I RESPECT THAT. AND I FULLY SUPPORT DOING WHAT WE CAN TO MAKE ALL OF THESE WATER LOCATIONS, YOU KNOW, TO STANDARD AND SAFE AND ALL THAT.

SO THAT'S MY TAKE ON.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MAYOR.

ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENT OR QUESTION? I SEE NONE IN THE QUEUE, I WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, I CERTAINLY SUPPORT THE SHORT TERM IMPROVEMENTS TO THE HOLFORD ROAD BRIDGE AREA, I THINK THEY ARE CERTAINLY WELL WORTH LOOKING INTO AND IMPROVING IN THAT SPACE OR IN THAT AREA.

I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF STARTING TO YOU KNOW THE, AS COUNCIL MEMBER AUBIN SAID, I'M NOT IN FAVOR AT THIS POINT OF STARTING TO MOVE THINGS AROUND ON A SCHEDULE, BECAUSE I THINK IT JUST DOES OPEN THE DOOR TO SIX MONTHS FROM NOW, WE MOVE THIS ONE IN THREE MONTHS FROM NOW, WE MOVE THAT ONE.

AND I THINK THAT WE CAN CERTAINLY MITIGATE SOME OF THE ISSUES AT THAT BRIDGE AND KEEP THE OTHER PROJECTS ON THEIR PROJECTED SCHEDULE.

SO THAT'S, THAT IS, THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS.

COUNCIL, THE RECOMMENDATION I, DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING I DON'T WANT TO SKIP ANYBODY. I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S GETTING IN THE QUEUE.

BUT THE RECOMMENDATION IS FOR THE SHORT TERM IMPROVEMENTS.

IS THERE ANY OPPOSITION TO THE SHORT TERM IMPROVEMENTS? IMPROVEMENTS. NO, AND THEN THE OBVIOUSLY THE FIRST PART OF THAT, IS THERE ANY WORDS IN FAVOR OF LOOKING AT THE SCHEDULE TO MOVE HOLFORD ROAD, IS THERE? I KNOW COUNCIL MEMBER HEDRICK IS IN FAVOR.

I DON'T SEE ANY OTHERS AT THIS POINT.

SO WE WILL NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH UPDATING THE SCHEDULING.

ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT.

NEXT ITEM, SORRY, NEXT ITEM IS ITEM 4C, CONSIDER AMENDMENT TO GDC SECTION 2.05K REGARDING RECONSIDERATIONS OF PREVIOUSLY DENIED ZONING CASES.

IT'S A LOT OF WORDS IN THERE.

IT IS, MAYOR. CAN YOU HEAR ME OK? YES, SIR, GO AHEAD. THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL IN PERSON AGAIN.

THIS IS REGARDING THE RECONSIDERATIONS OF PREVIOUSLY DENIED ZONING CASES, THIS PROPOSED GDC AMENDMENT AND IT APPEARS THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION RECENTLY ON RECONSIDERATIONS.

WE'VE HAD ONE OR TWO OF THOSE IN THE PAST YEAR COME TO COUNCIL AND WITH GOOD REASON FOR THE CONFUSION. WE LOOKED AT IT AND AND IT SEEMS THAT THERE'S REALLY TWO TYPES OF RECONSIDERATIONS, IF YOU WILL, THAT THE GARLAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE GDC, REALLY DOES NOT DIFFERENTIATE.

AND SO THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A CONSIDERATION OF A SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT LAND USE AND PLAN AND GOING BACK THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL FOR A DIFFERENT ZONING APPLICATION ON THE SAME TRACT OF LAND VERSUS A REHEARING, A RECONSIDERATION, A REHEARING OF THE SAME ZONING CASE THAT WAS RECENTLY DENIED.

SO SO, AGAIN, THE FIRST ONE AND THIS AMENDMENT TO THE GDC, THIS PROPOSED AMENDMENT WOULD DIFFERENTIATE THE TWO AND THEY HAVE PROCEDURES OUTLINED IN BOTH.

SO JUST A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES.

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I WANTED TO NOTE THIS, THAT ON THE REHEARING RECONSIDERATION OF THE SAME ZONING CASE, MR. ENGLAND NOTED THAT IN THIS LANGUAGE HE DID CAPTURE THE EXISTING COUNCIL POLICY ON RECONSIDERATIONS. THAT INCLUDES THAT A MOTION TO GRANT RECONSIDERATION MAY ONLY BE MADE BY A COUNCIL MEMBER THAT VOTED TO DENY THE INITIAL ZONING APPLICATION.

AND ALSO IT REQUIRES A THREE FOURTHS SUPERMAJORITY VOTE OF THE COUNCIL.

SO MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I HOPE THAT KIND OF CLEARS THINGS UP A LITTLE, I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

AND MR. ENGLAND IS HERE AS WELL.

OK, COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH? SORRY, HANG ON I MISSED THE BUTTON TWICE.

NO WORRIES. THANK YOU, MAYOR. I SPOKE WITH LEGAL ABOUT THIS A FEW WEEKS AGO BECAUSE THE COUNCIL POLICY HAD SOME LANGUAGE FOR RECONSIDERATION.

THE GDC HAD OTHERS AND I HAD SOME CONCERNS THAT AN APPLICANT WOULDN'T KNOW TO LOOK IN TWO PLACES TO GET A FULL LISTING OF THEIR RIGHTS FOR RECONSIDERATION.

LEGAL WAS KIND ENOUGH TO TO MERGE THOSE POLICIES INTO ONE.

BUT IT ALSO OPENED UP SOME QUESTIONS AS TO HOW TO MAKE THAT POLICY FLOW A LITTLE BETTER AND MAYBE SOME MINOR MODIFICATIONS TO IT.

MY REQUEST THIS EVENING WOULD BE FOR THIS POLICY REWRITE TO GO TO JUST A REVIEW AND ANY MINOR MODIFICATIONS THEY WANT TO MAKE AND THEN BRING IT BACK TO WORK SESSION. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

THANK YOU, SIR. COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMS? THANK YOU, MAYOR. GOOD EVENING, MR. GUERIN. JUST ANOTHER SUGGESTION.

I CONCUR WITH COUNCILMAN SMITH OUR RECOMMENDATION.

BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS IS HAS BEEN AN SORT OF AN AREA OF CONFUSION, BOTH, I THINK, ALL PARTIES CONCERNED.

SO AS A PART OF THE REVIEW AND LOOKING AT THIS AND PUTTING THE FINAL TOUCHES ON THIS, THAT WE PUT SOMETHING IN THAT HOW DO WE COMMUNICATE THIS? HOW WOULD WE MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS COMMUNICATED TO APPLICANTS? THE DISTINCTION THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT AND THEN THAT TWO DIFFERENT PLACES.

BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING IN THE PROCESS THAT SAY, A, B, C, 1, 2, 3.

THIS IS HOW WE COULD COMMUNICATE DISTINCTION, BECAUSE I'VE READ THE GDC IN ITS ENTIRETY ONE TIME BECAUSE I HAD TO READ IT, BUT I DIDN'T ENJOY IT.

SO, OUR ATTORNEYS, YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M GETTING AFTER HERE? HOW CAN WE ON THE FRONT END OF THIS ONCE WE COME UP WITH THE FINISHED FINISHED PRODUCT, THE DISTINCTION FROM BUT HOW CAN WE BETTER CRYSTALLIZE THAT FOR THE APPLICANTS? COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING, THAT WE ESTABLISH A POLICY, A WRITTEN POLICY THAT PROVIDES SOME INTERNAL PROCEDURES ON HOW TO COMMUNICATE TO THE APPLICANT ON THE FRONT END AND NOT PUT THAT IN ORDINANCE FORM.

ONCE WE START PUTTING THAT IN ORDINANCE FORM, WE START PUTTING SOME MANDATES ON OUR STAFF THAT IF FOR SOME REASON, ADMINISTRATIVELY THERE'S A MISTAKE MADE, THEN INADVERTENTLY, NOT VIOLATE THE ORDINANCE, I WOULD RECOMMEND WE DO AN INTERNAL POLICY AND PUT THAT IN POLICY FORMAT, WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING.

OK, THAT'LL ACHIEVE THE PURPOSE, YEAH, I LIKE YOUR SUGGESTION, BUT JUST A POLICY SO THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING BECAUSE I'VE HEARD AND MOST OF THE CASES THAT HAVE COME BEFORE THIS BODY AT THE END OF TODAY, PARTICULARLY FROM APPLICANTS, THEY THOUGHT ONE THING, ONE THING, AND THEY THOUGHT ANOTHER OR SOMEBODY.

SO I THINK IN A MINUTE AND A PARALLEL ADMINISTRATIVE POLICY THAT THAT'S WRITTEN AND, YOU KNOW, ARE NON BUREAUCRATIC TERMINOLOGY, I THINK WOULD BE BENEFICIAL.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.THANK YOU. I KNOW FOR A LAWYER, I KNOW IT IS.

BUT YOU CAN DO IT. GOT FAITH IN YOU.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MAYOR. OR ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? COUNCIL, ORIGINALLY, THIS WAS GOING TO COME BACK TO US JULY 20TH FOR FORMAL CONSIDERATION.

COUNCILMAN SMITH HAS SUGGESTED WE MOVE INTO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES FOR ANOTHER LOOK THROUGH. IS THERE ANY OPPOSITION TO THAT? I SEE NONE. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, THAT TO MOVE US TO ITEM FIVE, DISCUSS APPOINTMENTS TO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

TOMORROW NIGHT, COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMS AND COUNCIL MEMBER AUBIN HAVE SOME NOMINATIONS TO

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BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT WE WILL CALL UPON EACH OF THEM TO ANNOUNCE THEIR APPOINTEES TOMORROW NIGHT. AND THEN NOW WE ARE TO ITEM SIX ANNOUNCE FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS AS EVERYONE WHO HAS A FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. SEEING NONE, BUT OBVIOUSLY, IF SOMETHING DOES COME UP BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, WE KNOW THE PROCESS. ALL RIGHT.

THAT MOVES US TO ITEM SEVEN.

COUNCIL WILL MOVE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.

THE CITY COUNCIL WILL ADJOURN INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AND UNDER SECTIONS 551.071 AND 551.074 THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE REGARDING ATTORNEY CLIENT COMMUNICATIONS AND PERSONNEL MATTERS RELATING TO ONE, THE IMPENDING RETIREMENT OF THE CITY ATTORNEY IN THE WINDING DOWN AND TRANSITION OF HIS DUTIES CONSISTENT WITH HIS PROFESSIONAL OBLIGATIONS TO THE CITY AND TO PENDING CONTEMPLATED WORKERS COMPENSATION LITIGATION THAT WILL, COUNCIL, WE WILL RECESS THIS WORK SESSION AND GIVE US, WE WILL COME BACK IN TEN MINUTES.

THAT GIVES US, SORRY.

I WAS GOING TO ASK IF YOU COULD JUST GIVE US A COUPLE MORE MINUTES, BECAUSE SINCE WE'RE AN EXECUTIVE AND WE GOT THE SPEAKERS ON, WE WILL BE CLEARING THE LOBBY.

YES. OK, HOW MUCH TIME WOULD YOU LIKE? JUST 15. ALL RIGHT.

IT WILL GIVE US TIME TO DO THAT AND SECURE IT.

ALL RIGHT. WE WILL COME BACK AT 8:25 IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

THANK YOU.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.