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GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE AUGUST 16TH MEETING OF THE GARLAND PLAN COMMISSION.

YES.

WE'RE BACK HERE ON ZOO.

WE'D HOPE TO BE IN PERSON, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE FOR THE MONTH OF AUGUST, I'M GOING TO BE BACK ON ZOOM, KEEP YOUR FINGERS ACROSS.

IT LOOKS LIKE WE'LL BE BACK, LIVE IN SEPTEMBER, WHERE WE CAN SEE ALL OF YOU TO COME DOWN HERE.

TYPICALLY WE START OUR MEETING WITH THE PRAYER PLEDGE.

YOU'RE INVITED TO JOIN US.

TONIGHT'S PARENT PLEDGE WILL BE BY COMMISSIONER LOT.

ANY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONERS, AND STAFF.

TONIGHT, WE MAKE DECISIONS THAT WILL SHAPE THE FUTURE OF GARLAND.

IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO PREVENT INNOVATIVE SPACES FOR OUR CITIZENS.

AS PLANNED COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THE BAR AND RAISE IT ABOVE THE STATUS QUO TO MODERNIZE AND MOVE TOWARDS A MORE AESTHETIC, PEACEFUL AND CONNECTED CITY.

MAYBE WE CONSIDER THE FULL WEIGHT OF OUR DECISIONS TONIGHT WITH RESPECT TO ONE ANOTHER AND DUTY TO THE CITIZENS OF GARLAND.

THIS IS AN INVOCATION OF WELL-WISHES TO OUR SERVICE MEN AND WOMEN TO HEALTH AND GOOD FORTUNE AND HEARTFELT CONDOLENCES TO THOSE WHO SUFFER GRIEF FROM THE LOSS OF LOVED ONES.

THANK YOU NOW FOR THE PLEDGE, I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

WELL, GOOD EVENING.

AND WELCOME AGAIN TO OUR MEETING.

I WAS GOING TO INTRODUCE OUR NEW COMMISSIONER, BUT I THINK SHE MAY BE BEING SWORN IN NOW BECAUSE I DON'T SEE HER ON THE SCREEN.

SO ONCE SHE'S BACK ON, I'M GOING TO INTRODUCE YOU TO COMMISSIONER AND DISTRICT THREE, GOT TO LOVE THESE ZOOM MEETINGS.

THEY JUST GO PERFECTLY.

ALRIGHTY.

AND UM, FOR THOSE THAT ARE GOING TO SPEAK TONIGHT, WE DEFINITELY NEED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOUR MICROPHONE FOR THE RECORD.

WE DO APPRECIATE YOU TO DO THAT.

UH, APPLICANTS, WE'LL GIVE 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE.

OTHER SPEAKERS MAY ALLOW THREE MINUTES, BUT IF YOU'RE SPEAKING FOR A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION OR SOMETHING, WE DEFINITELY ALLOW MORE TIME FOR THAT.

SO LET'S GET ON OUR, ON OUR AGENDA.

FIRST

[CONSENT AGENDA]

ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA ARE, ARE EXCUSE ME, ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA.

THESE ARE ITEMS THAT THE COMMISSIONER TO REVIEW AND WE'LL BE VOTING ON IN ONE MOTION TONIGHT.

ALL WE HAVE A MINUTE, SO I WON'T GO THROUGH THE WHOLE DEAL ABOUT WITHDRAWING AN ITEM FOR SEPARATE CONSIDERATION.

I'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND READ IT.

ITEM ONE, A CONSIDER APPROVAL OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES FOR JULY 26TH, 2021.

DO I HEAR A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA CHAIR? OKAY.

COMMISSIONER DALTON.

I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PERSON.

AND I SEE THE FIRST, SECOND, LITTLE SLOW THERE.

COMMISSIONING THE OLD GUY, COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS BEAT YOU.

WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DALTON A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS, ALL IN FAVOR, UH, ASSIGNED THUMBS UP.

AND THAT APPEARS TO BE UNANIMOUS.

THANK YOU.

ALRIGHTY.

ON TO OUR ZONING CASE KNOWN IN CASES, ZONING ITEM TWO A IT WILL, THIS IS A TWO-PARTER TWO EIGHT AND TWO B.

I'LL READ THEM BOTH OUT KIND OF IF WE CAN TAKE THEM WITH ONE MOTION, WE'LL DO SO THERE'S A NEED TO SEPARATE THEM.

WE WILL DO THAT TO ITEM TWO EIGHT CONSIDERATION OF THE APPLICATION OF ION DESIGN GROUP.

OH, I'M SORRY.

ITEMS TWO A AND TWO B THAT APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED POSTPONEMENT UNTIL OUR SEPTEMBER 13TH MEETING.

WE WILL NOT BE HEARING THOSE TONIGHT.

[Items 2c & 2d]

ALL RIGHT.

I AM TO SEE, AND TO DEERE ALSO PAIRED TOGETHER.

LET ME GO AHEAD AND READ THOSE CONSIDERATION OF THE APPLICATION TO CCM ENGINEERING, REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT TO A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT TO ALLOW FOR SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED TOWNHOUSE HOUSES.

THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 2126 ROLLA ROAD ITEM TWO.

THE CONSIDERATION OF THE APPLICATION IS CCM ENGINEERING, REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A DETAILED PLAN FOR SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED HOMES.

TOWNHOUSES.

THIS PROPERTY IS ALSO LOCATED AT 21, 26, WE'RE ALL AT ROAD AND TAKE IT AWAY.

STAFF PRESENTATION.

GOOD EVENING.

THIS IS THE REQUEST AS STATED, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO CONSTRUCT 43 TOWN HOMES WITH AN OPEN SPACE AMENITY.

JUST THE CASE INFORMATION.

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THIS THE CITY BY LOCATION MAP, THE STAR REPRESENTS THE GENERAL AREA OF THE PROJECT.

THIS IS THE LOCATION MAP.

THE PROPERTY IS OUTLINED UNTIL, AND THIS PROPERTY IS SURROUNDED BY, UM, DIFFERENT DISTRICTS.

UM, ONE IS, UM, AGRICULTURE, WHICH IS SHOWN HERE.

AND THIS SITE IS DEVELOPED WITH A SINGLE FAMILY HOME TO THE SOUTH IS ALSO A ZONE AGRICULTURE AND IS, UM, DEVELOPED WITH A CHURCH.

UM, THEN WE HAVE A PD 72 14, WHICH IS DEVELOPED WITH SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES.

THE PD OH 6 0 5 IS A NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE USE AND IS DEVELOPED WITH A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

SF 10 IS DEVELOPED WITH A EVENT CENTER, C R IS DEVELOPED WITH A SKATING RINK.

AND THEN THE IS DEVELOPED WITH A, UM, SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED.

THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN RECOMMENDS COMPACT NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT MEETS THE, UM, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ALONG WITH THE SURROUNDING AREAS.

OKAY KNOW THE PHOTOS OF THE AREA.

THIS IS THE SUBJECT SITE.

THIS IS THE AGRICULTURE DISTRICT WITH THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME OVER HERE IN THE CORNER, SINCE THE CHURCH, SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL DETACHED SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAT IS IN A NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE USE PD AND THE EVENT CENTER.

THIS IS THE SITE PLAN THAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED.

UM, AS I MENTIONED, UM, THE APPLICANT IS PROVIDING 43 SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED TOWNHOME UNITS, AND IT OPENS SPACE AMENITY ON THIS OPEN SPACE AMENITY, UM, WOULD BE MAINTAINED BY THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING DEVIATIONS WITH THIS REQUEST FOR THE LOT AREA.

THE SFA DISTRICT REQUIRES 2000 SQUARE FEET AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING 1,925 SQUARE FEET.

THE PROPOSED LOTS RANGE FROM 1,925 SQUARE FEET TO 4,000 AND 117 SQUARE FEET.

THE AVERAGE LOT SIZE FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT IS 2,327 SQUARE FEET.

THE APPLICANT IS ALSO REQUESTING FOR A DEVIATION IN THE DEPTH LOT.

DEB, UM, THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT FOR US TO FATE IS 90 FEET AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING 75 FEET IN THE AVERAGE LOT PROPOSED FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT IS 99 FEET.

UM, IN ADDITION, IN ADDITION, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING FOR A DEVIATION FOR THE NUMBER OF UNITS.

UM, AS PER THE GDC, THE SFA DISTRICT, UH, REQUIRES A MINIMUM OF THREE AND A MAX OF SIX UNITS ATTACHED.

AND THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A DEVIATION FOR THESE TWO UNITS, LOTS 17, 18, 19 AND 20.

AND THESE WOULD FUNCTION AS A DUPLEX.

IS THIS THE SITE PLAN THAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING? THEY ARE MEETING ALL THE REQUIREMENTS AS PER THE GARLAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

UM, SCREENING WELL IS REQUIRED FOR A, UM, DEVELOPMENT THAT IS, UM, ALONG A THERAPY FOR TYPE D R GREATER, UH, WHICH RAW LAD ROAD AND ONE ROAD OR BOTH, UM, IT'S HEIGHTENED D OR LARGER.

I'M SORRY, THE APPLICANT IS PROVIDING A SCREENING WALL ALONG THOSE, UM, THOSE TWO RIGHT OF WAYS.

THIS IS THE FENCE AND WALL OR PLAN THAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED.

SO THIS, UH, PURPLE FENCE SHOWS, UM, IS THE SIX FOOT ARM FENCE WITH A MASONRY COLUMN ALONG THIS RIGHT AWAY.

AND THE RED REPRESENTS THE

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SIX FOOT MASONRY WALL AND THE YELLOW LINE REPRESENTS A SIX FOOT WOOD FENCE WITH A CAP AND METAL POST.

THIS DEVELOPMENT.

UM, ALSO HAS AN AMENITY ON SITE, WHICH THE APPLICANT IS MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS AS PER THE GDC.

THEY HAVE PROVIDED A FOREFOOT, UM, WALKING PATHS SHOWN HERE ALONG WITH A GRILL PICNIC TABLES, TRASH RECEPTACLES, AND THEN ALSO BENCHES.

UM, THIS AREA, UM, IS CREATING A SPACE FOR RESIDENTS TO SOCIALIZE OUTSIDE OF THEIR HOMES.

THESE ARE THE ELEVATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED.

THESE ARE, THIS IS THE FRONT ELEVATION AND THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING FOR A DEVIATION IN REGARDS TO THE GARAGES, UM, AS PER THE GDC, UM, GARAGE REAR ENTRY AND ALL SET FIVE FEET FROM FRONT BUILDING FACE AND FOR THE MIDDLE UNITS B, WHICH ARE SHOWN HERE, THESE TWO LITTLE UNITS, ALL SET FRONT ENTRY WITH GARAGE DOORS SETBACK, AT LEAST FIVE FEET BEHIND THE BUILDING FACADE.

AND THEN FOR THE END UNITS, THE APPLICANT IS NOT PROVIDING A SETBACK FOR THE GARAGE.

UM, FACADE.

I HAVE HER THE ARE MEETING THE 20 FOOT SETBACK REQUIREMENT FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.

THIS IS THE REAR ELEVATION SIDE ELEVATIONS SHOWING THE MIDDLE UNITS.

THERE'S A 3D ELEVATION.

SO ON THE IN UNITS, AND THEN ALSO THE MIDDLE UNITS, THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDINGS, UM, MEET THE BUILDING DESIGN REGULATIONS AS PER THE GDC.

AND THE APPLICANT IS NOT PROPOSING A DIVISION SIGN WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT ON, BUT IF THERE WAS A SIGN IN THE FEATURE, THEN THEY WILL BE MEETING THE GDC REQUIREMENTS, IMPORT ELEVATIONS.

THIS IS A SUMMARY OF THE DEVIATIONS.

AS MENTIONED EARLIER, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A DEVIATION FROM THE, FOR THE LIGHT LOT AREA UP THERE, THE GARAGES, AND THEN ALSO THE ATTACHED NOTES.

THE APPLICANT IS ALSO REQUESTING AN ALLIE WAIVER.

THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT REVIEWED AND FOUND THAT THE LAYOUT IS CONDUCIVE TO ADEQUATE DRAINAGE, UM, MEETING THE CITY REQUIREMENTS.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS, UH, APPROVAL OF ONE, A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT, DISTRICT FOUR SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED TOWNHOME UNITS, AND TWO, A ALLIE WAIVER.

AND THE STAFF ALSO RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF A DETAILED PLAN FOR SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED HOME UNITS ON A PROPERTY IS ON AGRICULTURE DISTRICT.

WE MAILED OUT 72 NOTIFICATION LETTERS.

WE RECEIVED THREE IN FAVOR OF THE NOTIFICATION INSIDE THE NORMAL VACATION AREA.

AND THEN WE ALSO RECEIVED ONE AGAINST, UM, INSIDE THE NOTIFICATION AREA.

THE TOTAL RESPONSES WE RECEIVED WAS FOUR THAT CONCLUDES STAFF PRESENTATION SCREEN BACK.

AND BEFORE WE START THE COMMISSIONER PARIS, ARE YOU DULY SWORN IN NOW? YES, I AM.

THANK YOU.

I WOULD LIKE TO ALL SIX OF OUR VIEWERS, SHE IS NEW FROM DISTRICT THREE AND WE'RE GLAD TO HER A BOARD.

THANK YOU.

GLAD TO BE HERE.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

ANY QUESTIONS ON? OKAY.

I SEE A HANDWRITTEN.

SOMEBODY

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KNOWS HOW TO RAISE THEIR HAND HERE.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER LUCK.

AND THEN, UH, DID YOU RAISE YOUR HAND COMMISSIONER DALTON TWO AND THEN COMMISSIONER ROSE, GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER.

UM, SO THE HOA IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING THE AMENITY AREA, BUT ARE THEY ALSO RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING THE FENCING? UH, TYPICALLY, TYPICALLY, YES.

UH, BECAUSE IT SHOULD, ALL THE FENCING SHOULD BE IN AN EASEMENT AND DON'T CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

IT SHOULD BE IN AN EASEMENT MAINTENANCE EASEMENT THAT ALLOWS THE HOA TO MAINTAIN IT.

I THINK THAT STANDARD POLICY IN ANY SUBDIVISION NOW.

OKAY.

AND HOW MANY OF THE, UH, OF THE SMALLER AVERAGE HOME? SO THE AVERAGE LOT SIZE IS 2327.

HOW MANY OF THE HOMES UNDER 23, 27 WILL BE PART OF THAT 43 UNITS? IS THAT THE HOME SIZE OR LOT SIZE? I BELIEVE IT'S THE, UH, PROPOSED LOT SIZE.

OKAY.

I ACTUALLY HAVE THAT NUMBER.

I CALCULATED THAT IF YOU'LL LET ME, UH, MR. DERRICK, UH, 18.6% OF THE LOTS ARE BELOW 2000 SQUARE FEET.

AND MAYBE TO YOUR NEXT QUESTION, 76% OF THEM ARE SHORTER THAN 90 FEET.

OKAY.

I'M, I'M A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT THE AESTHETICS OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.

UM, I, I THINK THEY COULD DO A LITTLE MORE TO MAKE IT, UM, MORE APPEALING.

IT'S MY OPINION.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DOLAN.

HAD YOU RAISED YOUR HAND? NOPE.

OKAY.

COMMISSIONER ROSE.

OKAY.

SO IF I UNDERSTAND IT CORRECTLY, THIS WILL BE A MANDATORY HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION ALL WILL HAVE TO BELONG.

THAT'S CORRECT.

OKAY.

SECONDLY, IF YOU GO TO A SITE PLAN TO SHOW, THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT WERE LOTS 20 THROUGH 23 SIT.

THERE'S A GREAT BIG VACANT AREA BEHIND IT.

WHAT'S THAT ALL ABOUT? ARE YOU REFERENCING TO THE DETENTION POND? I CAN'T HEAR YOU.

SORRY.

YOU'RE REFERENCING TO THE DETENTION POND.

NOPE.

OH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE LODGE LONG WRONG ROAD.

YEAH.

RIGHT AT THE CORNER.

YEAH.

THEY'VE GOT A PATH THROUGH THERE AND NO, NO, NO.

IT DOESN'T SHOW ANY KIND OF A PATH AT ALL.

OKAY.

THERE YOU GO.

THERE YOU GO.

SAY 20 THROUGH 23, WHAT IT SHOWS THE LOT'S GOING ALL THE WAY BACK.

IS THAT, WHAT IS THAT? YEAH.

ALL THAT.

THERE YOU GO.

UM, INDIVIDUAL LOTS FOR THE, UM, THOSE HOME, UH, POTENTIAL HOMEOWNERS.

SO THOSE LOTS GO ALL THE WAY BACK.

THAT'S CORRECT.

OH MY GOODNESS.

ALL RIGHT.

THANKS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER OD.

THANK YOU, MS. CHERON.

UM, UH, THE AMENITY AREA, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A SHADE STRUCTURE ON THAT, LIKE PERGOLA OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THERE'S NOT A STRAIGHT, UM, SHADE STRUCTURE ON THE SIDE OF THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING, BUT THEY ARE PROPOSING, UH, A VARIETY OF LARGE CANOPY TREES.

OKAY.

UM, ANOTHER QUESTION THAT I HAD, IS THERE A EXISTING SIDEWALK THAT GOES ALL THE WAY AROUND THIS PROJECT OR WILL THEY BE REQUIRED TO HAVE ONE THE WALKING PATH THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING? IT CONNECTS TO THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT.

OKAY.

BUT THERE'S SOMETHING FOR THE PUBLIC TO BE ABLE TO GO AROUND THIS PROJECT, CORRECT? YES.

ALONG THE RIGHT OF WAY.

OKAY.

AND I THINK THE REST THAT I ALSO SHARE, UH, COMMISSIONER LOCKS, UM, I, I'M NOT INSPIRED BY ALL THE GARAGE DOORS THAT I SEE IN THERE, BUT I'LL HOLD.

SO THAT'S WHERE THEY TALK ABOUT THAT WITH THE APPLICANTS.

THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS AS USUAL I'VE GOT, I'VE GOT MY FEW, SOME OF THE QUESTIONS OF STAFF.

OTHERS WILL JUST BE SOME COMMENTS MAYBE THAT CAN ADDRESS.

UH, I NOTICED ALONG THE LOCKS TOO.

AND I WONDER IF THOSE WERE JUST PUT IN THERE TO BRING THE AVERAGE LIFE DEPTHS UP TO 99 FEET, OR IF THERE A REASON THAT THEY'RE EXTENDED LIKE THAT, OTHERWISE THEY COULD EXTEND THE GREEN SPACE FOR FOLKS AND POSSIBLY EVEN CUT THE WALL ON A CORNER.

WE'VE

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HEARD A LOT ABOUT TRAFFIC ISSUES OUT THERE AND NOT BEING ABLE TO SEE AROUND A CORNER.

MAYBE THERE COULD BE A 45 MINUTE PORTION WITH THE WALL AND EVERYTHING, WHICH WOULD OPEN UP THE SITE LINES, WHICH I'M ASSUMING TRAFFIC DIDN'T LOOK AT THIS AND HAVE THEY APPROVED ALL THE SIGHT LINES AT THE CORNER? EVERYTHING.

DO YOU KNOW MR. HARE? YES, SIR.

THAT'S CORRECT.

TRANSPORTATION.

UM, AND, UM, AND PASS THIS ALONG TOWARDS THE PUBLIC HEARING.

YEAH.

YEAH.

CAUSE THAT, UH, I DON'T LOOK DOWN THERE, BUT I'VE DRIVEN DOWN THERE ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT PIECE OF ROLAND ROAD IS CUT THROUGH FROM ONE AREA TO ANOTHER AND A TON OF HOUSES EMPTY ONTO THERE.

AND IF THE CORNER'S DANGEROUS, ANYTHING CAN DO WITH WHAT ELSE, IF THIS DOES PASS, UH, THEY'RE SHOWING 25 FOOT WIDTH, LOTS, THE MINIMUM ALLOWED IS 20 FOOT WIDTH.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A CONDITION ADDED TO THE PD REQUIRING THE 25 FOOT WIDTH.

SO THEY DON'T COME BACK LATER WITH THE DETAILED PLAN WITH 2322 FEET, WHICH WE WOULD HAVE TO PROVE BECAUSE OF IT STILL BE TECHNICALLY CORRECT.

SO I THINK A 25 FOOT LOT WOULD, WOULD MAKE A GOOD ADDITION TO THE PD.

UH, I'D ASKED STAFF EARLIER ABOUT THE LANDSCAPING AT THE RIDER OFFENSE.

I'VE HEARD COMPLAINTS ABOUT SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENTS ALONG, UH, CENTERVILLE.

AND SO THEY ARE PLANTING TREES THERE AND EVERYTHING, BUT WE COULD RECOMMEND EVERGREEN SHRUBS IN FRONT OF THE ROD IRON.

AND IT WAS ALSO POSSIBLY SUGGESTED THAT SINCE THERE ARE BUGS ATTACKING ASH TREES, THAT WE MAYBE ASKED STAFF TO WORK WITH THEM ON THE LANDSCAPE PLANT, SWITCH OUT THE ASH TREES.

SO THEY DON'T DIE IN A FEW YEARS.

UH, LET'S SEE, TALKING ABOUT THE GARAGE DOORS, THEY OFFERED TO MAKE THEM, UH, AS ONE OF THE AMENITIES, CARRIAGE STYLE DOORS.

I'D LIKE TO SEE IT PD CONDITION AT THEIR ALL WOOD STYLE CARRIAGE DOORS.

THAT WOULD LOOK NICE, UH, ON THAT FIRST SET OF DUPLEXES WHERE THERE TWO UNITS, THEY COULD ELIMINATE THOSE THAT DUPLEX BY ADDING ONE UNIT TO EAT TWO OF THE BUILDINGS JUST TO LEFT IN TOWNHOMES, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO GO TO A MAXIMUM OF SIX UNITS WIDE AND ALL THOSE BUILDINGS ARE FIVE UNITS WIDE.

SO THAT COULD BE ACCOMMODATED IN THAT WAY.

UH, LET'S SEE.

I DO HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION TO STAFF HERE.

YOU BROUGHT UP SOMETHING, UH, YOU, YOU SAID IT MEETS ALL THE GDC GUIDELINES.

IS THERE AN ARTICULATION REQUIREMENT IN AN OUT WHEN A BUILDING FACES THE STREET BECAUSE THE BUILDINGS BACK ON THE WRONG ROAD, IT, AND THAT IT'S JUST A STRAIGHT ELEVATION AND I'VE DONE TOWN HOMES BEFORE WE WOULD PUSH IT UP OR PUT SOME BACK AND GET SOME INTEREST GOING.

SO I DUNNO IF THERE'S A REQUIREMENT, A LONG ROAD, WRONG ROAD FOR, YOU KNOW, EVERY SO OFTEN SOMETHING HAS TO BE PUSHED OUT OF PERSPECTIVE.

UH, I KNOW THERE ISN'T A COMMERCIAL, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT APPLIES TO RESIDENTIAL.

YEAH.

I'M WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT.

I'LL GET BACK WITH YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

UM, CORRECT.

AND THEY'RE ALL FLAT AND THEY DO FACE WRONG ROADS.

SO THERE'S NO ARTICULATION IN THAT.

WHICH AGAIN, I THINK IS A REQUIREMENT.

I DIDN'T THINK OF IT EARLIER.

OTHERWISE I WOULD'VE CHECKED IT MYSELF.

UH, OKAY.

AND I SEE, AND THIS IS THE ARCHITECT IN ME.

I SEE AN ORDER TO MEET THAT FIVE FOOT SETBACK.

THEY'RE BRINGING THE ENTRY DOORS, HAVE FIVE FEET IN FRONT OF THE GARAGES.

WELL, INSIDE OF THE UNIT, THAT'LL MAKE, MAKE IT ABOUT, UH, A FOUR FOOT BY 20 FOOT HALLWAY TO GET BACK INTO THE UNIT.

SO THAT'S JUST AN OBSERVATION THERE.

AND ALSO IN A SITE PLAN, THE WAITER SITE PLAN IS LAID OUT NOW, AS THEY HAVE DEPICTED THE FOOTPRINTS OF THE UNIT, THEY DO NOT MEET THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS.

UM, AND I THINK STAFF IS GOING TO GET WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SITE PLAN IS CORRECTED IF WE APPROVED THAT BECAUSE IT DOES NOT SHOW ANY OF THOSE PORCHES ON IT.

IT SHOWS ALL THE GARAGES RIGHT OUT OF THE 20 FOOT SETBACK.

SO STEP TWO, THAT'S MY SHORT LIST.

SORRY, SORRY TO DO THAT TO YOU.

COMMISSIONER ROSE AS PART OF THE, UH, MANDATORY HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.

WELL, THERE'LL BE A REQUIREMENT TO HAVE IRRIGATION FOR ALL THIS LANDSCAPING.

THAT'S A REQUIREMENT.

THAT'S A REQUIREMENT FOR ANY LANDSCAPING PLAN, A COMMERCIAL OR MULTI-FAMILY.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

YEAH.

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ANY OTHER QUESTIONS STAFF, IF CHAIRMAN, YEAH.

SORRY.

I'M JUST GETTING BACK TO YOU ON YOUR QUESTION.

DOES IT LOOK LIKE ANY FACADE THAT FACES A PUBLIC STREET ABOVE THE FIRST STORY I'M USED TO AVOID? JUST COMPLETELY FLAT ARTICULATION SO WE CAN, UM, MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR TO THE APPLICANT AND THE PD CONDITIONS, THAT SORT OF THING.

IF THEY NEED TO MAKE ANY CHANGES, UM, WE CAN HAVE THEM DO STUFF.

SO THE DETAILED PLAN ANSWER THIS NOW DOES NOT MEET THE TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS AND ARTICULATION AND, UH, EITHER ON THE FRONT OR THE BACK, SO THAT IF IT IS APPROVED, IT'S APPROVED WITH THE PROVISION THAT THEY MEET THE ARTICULATION ARTICULATION.

I KNOW THE APPLICANT HAS NOT REQUESTED DEVIATIONS FROM THE BUILDING DESIGN STANDARDS OTHER THAN, UM, UM, THE GARAGE IN FEDERAL OFFSET SETTLEMENT AND UNITS.

UM, BUT, UH, BUT JUST SO IT'S CLEAR ON THE ELEVATIONS, WE, WE DID ASK FOR SOME VARIETY IN THE ELEVATIONS JUST TO SHOW THAT THEY'RE MEETING THE SPIRIT OF THAT GDC REQUIREMENT AND THAT SORT OF THING.

BUT IF WE, WE NEED TO HAVE THEM TWEAK THE REAR ELEVATION.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

ALRIGHTY.

I BELIEVE THE AFRICANS HERE.

UH, UM, BOY, EVEN WITH NAMES TYPED OUT, I MISPRONOUNCED NAMES, UH, UH, YACKO LAPTOP.

WE HAVE A COMMISSIONER'S QUESTION.

OH, WHERE I MISSED IT.

WHICH, WHICH COMMISSIONER ME, YOU IGNORING ME.

OH, YOU'RE BEHIND MY CAMERA.

I'M SORRY.

MY CAMERA SITS RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY SCREEN.

AND THERE'S USUALLY IT'S COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER, JACOBS BEHIND CAMERA.

AND YOU KNOW THAT RIGHT RIGHT NOW BEHIND THE CAMERAS.

YEAH.

COMMISSIONER, I MOVE OVER AND I CAN SEE YOU NOW.

THANK YOU.

ON THE ARTICULATION ON THE BACK.

THAT'S THE ONLY PORTION I BELIEVED IT IS A TRANSPARENT, IT'S A IRON FENCING.

UM, DOES THE AMENITY AREA COVER ANY OF THAT? UH, THE BACK OF THE HOUSES IS MANY OF THE AREA GOING TO BLOCK ANY OF THE VIEWS SO THAT OUR CALCULATION IS NOT AN ISSUE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

NUMBER TWO, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

WHAT IS TRAFFIC'S ESTIMATED NUMBER OF TRIPS PER RESIDENTIAL HOME OR TOWNHOME? IT WILL BE COMING IN AND OUT OF THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD BE DAILY TRIPS.

UM, YES, I, I CAN ADDRESS THOSE TWO.

SO ON THE SITE PLAN, IT DOES SHOW THE, UM, THE TRANSPARENT ORNAMENTAL FENCE JUST ALONG THE AMENITY AREA.

NOT MISTAKE IN THE MASONRY WALL ALONG RUN ROAD WOULD BE UP AGAINST THE BACKS OF THE HOMES THAT ARE CLOSEST TO OWN ROAD.

UM, SO IT, UM, APPEARS GIVEN THE SETBACK OF THE, HOW WAS THAT WOULD HAVE THE ORNAMENTAL FENCE LONG RUN ROAD.

THERE, THERE IS THE MEN OF THE AREA.

SO THERE, THERE WOULD BE SOME SETBACK THERE.

UM, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS THE APPLICANT COULD MAKE SURE TO PLANT ADDITIONAL TREES IN THAT AREA TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, EVERGREEN SHRUBS AS THE, AS THE CHAIRMAN'S THAT ARE AWARE OF THOSE TEND TO KEEP THEIR WAVES YEAR ROUND, UM, PROVIDE SOME, SOME OPAQUE, UH, UH, FEATURES TO THEM.

UM, MR. SECOND QUESTION, I BELIEVE MR. LOOKY IS ON THE, UH, COLUMN.

IF HE'S, IF HE'S LISTENING, HE'LL BE ABLE TO TUNE.

AND I BELIEVE WHAT I DO KNOW IS THE, UM, DEVELOPMENT DID NOT QUITE MEET THE THRESHOLD FOR A FULL ON TIA REQUIREMENT.

UM, GIVEN IT'S 43 LOTS.

UM, BUT HERE, HERE, IT LOOKS LIKE MR. BURKEY'S HERE NOW.

SO LET HIM EXPLAIN FURTHER.

ALL RIGHT.

IF YOU'LL GO AHEAD AND UNMUTE YOURSELF.

OKAY.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? YEAH.

CAN YOU HEAR YOU NOW? THANK YOU.

OKAY.

YES.

SO I THINK THE QUESTION WAS ABOUT THE NUMBER OF TRIPS, I GUESS IT WOULD BE WHAT WOULD BE THE NUMBER OF TRIPS IN AND OUT OF THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT? JUST AS AN AVERAGE, NOT NECESSARILY ANYTHING THAT WAS LOOKED AT, I'M LOOKING MORE AT AN AVERAGE.

I MEAN, TYPICALLY WE SEE ABOUT, UH, ABOUT 10 TRIPS PER DAY FROM A, FROM A, SO THERE'S 43 HOUSES.

IT'D BE ABOUT FOUR 30 TRIPS IN A DAY.

10% OF THAT HAPPENS IN THE PEAK HOURS.

SO THAT'S ABOUT FOUR TRIPS IN THE PEAK HOUR.

RIGHT.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

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ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NOT LET'S BRING HIM OUT.

I DO HAVE ONE MORE THING.

I'M SORRY, JUST TO ADDRESS ONE OF MY PLANNERS JUST REMINDED ME OF THAT ARTICULATION.

IT MAY NOT BE A CONCERN HERE.

I FORGOT ABOUT ONE ITEM.

THAT WAS THAT IF, IF THERE ARE WINDOWS THAT THE TENANT OR CODE WAS MAYBE MAINLY TO AVOID FLAT BLANK WALLS, IF THERE ARE WINDOWS PROVIDING TRANSPARENCY THAT CAN, UM, THAT CAN HELP MEET THE ARTICULATION, UM, REQUIREMENTS.

SO, UM, VERSUS JUST HAVING BLANK WALLS ALONG THE PUBLIC STREETS THAT WERE JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.

YEAH.

ALRIGHTY, LET'S GO TO THE APPLICANT, THEN UNMUTE YOURSELF.

AND IF YOU WANT TO GET ON CAM, YOU CAN DO THAT TOO.

AND WE NEED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.

FOR THE RECORD.

MY NAME IS EAGLE.

LAYLA ADDRESS IS 1900 MCKINNEY AVENUE, DALLAS, TEXAS 75 2 0 1.

AND DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD OR A PRESENTATION OR ANYTHING, OR I WANTED TO START BY THANKING, UH, KIMBERLY AND ALL THE HARD WORK THAT SHE PUT INTO THIS.

SHE DID AN EXCELLENT JOB.

UM, WE HAD, UM, A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH AND, AND HOPEFULLY WE WERE ABLE TO, TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THE CITY OF GARLAND.

UM, WE ARE WILLING TO, UM, CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE CITY ON THE ITEMS THAT I'VE HEARD TONIGHT.

UM, WE FEEL THIS IS A NICE ADDITION TO THE CITY.

IT'S, UH, A BIT OF A BUFFER FROM DOING JUST STRAIGHT COMMERCIAL RIGHT NEXT TO THE HOMES THAT ARE ALREADY THERE.

UM, BECAUSE THAT CORNER, I THINK COULD BE A COMMERCIAL CORNER, BUT WE LOOKED AT IT AND THOUGHT TOWNHOMES WOULD MAKE A BETTER BUFFER.

UM, SO I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD OTHER THAN WE ARE EAGER AND WILLING TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE CITY ON THE DESIGN, ON THE PLAN, UM, ON THE, ON THE PARK STRUCTURES AND SO ON.

SO IT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO LOOK AT WITH THE CITY.

ALRIGHTY.

ANY QUESTIONS OF THE, YEAH, SORRY FOR BUTCHERING YOUR NAME, BUT YOU WOULD NOT BE THE FIRST.

ALRIGHTY, THANK YOU.

AND STAY TUNED CITIZENS.

WE'LL ASK YOU BACK IF THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

ALRIGHTY.

AND WE HAVE, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE WILL COME FIRST AND MIKE WESTLING OR JASON BROOKS, ARE THEY BOTH UP HERE? LET'S SEE.

OKAY.

I SEE A ONE RAISED HAND HERE.

GO AHEAD AND MUTE, SIR.

GO AHEAD.

I HEAR MICROPHONE.

UM, MR. BROOKS, I DON'T HEAR YOU, SIR.

STILL DON'T HEAR, HEAR TRACY WAS MISS MR. WEST LINGO SIGNED UP YET, OR LOOK OKAY, GO AHEAD AND TRY AGAIN.

I SPEAK SOMEBODY RAISED THEIR HAND, BUT DON'T HAVE IT HERE.

MR. BROOKS SHOWS THAT MICROPHONES LIVE, BUT WE DON'T HEAR YOU.

THERE WE GO.

OKAY.

I'M SORRY.

I APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE.

SO MY NAME'S JASON BROOKS.

MY ADDRESS IS 38 0 5 CEDAR CREEK DRIVE.

AND THAT'S HERE IN GARLAND A 7 5 0 4 3.

UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

I WANTED TO, UM, THIS IS MY FIRST TIME SPEAKING BEFORE THE COMMISSION.

SO I APPRECIATE AGAIN, YOUR TIME, UM, WHAT THE, THE FORMS THAT WERE SENT IN.

I WAS, UM, WHEN THE PLANNER WAS GIVING THE PRESENTATION, I KNOW PERSONALLY OF SEVERAL FORMS THAT WERE SITTING IN, IN OPPOSITION.

SO I'M NOT SURE HOW, INCLUDING MY SMILE.

UM, I'M JUST NOT SURE HOW THOSE ARE COUNTED OR WHAT THE TIMELINESS WAS.

W WE ALL GOT THEM, WE ALL SAW AND IT'S TOUGH KEEPING UP WITH THE CAPSULE.

WELL, I'M SURE I'M SURE.

UM, WELL, SO WHAT I KIND OF WANTED TO JUST EXPLAIN, UM, AND I PERSONALLY HATE THE DEVELOPER BEING HERE AND, AND HIS WILLINGNESS TO, TO

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LISTEN TO US AS WELL AS AGAIN, THE COMMISSIONER, THE COMMISSIONERS, UM, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG MOST OF YOU HAVE BEEN IN GARLAND, WENT BACK TO THE 1980S, DANNY FAULKNER, AND HIS ASSOCIATES WANTED TO BUILD APARTMENTS IN THIS SAME AREA.

AND WE THOUGHT TO KEEP IT FROM HAPPENING BACK THEN.

AND THAT BACK THEN I WAS A CHILD, BUT MY DAD OWNED THE HOUSE I LIVE IN NOW.

AND SO WHEN I SAY WE, I JUST MEAN AS A GENERALITY IS THE CITIZENS THAT LIVE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, NO ONE WHILE THIS IS CERTAINLY NOT THE SAME THING.

THE FACT REMAINS THAT THE CITIZENS WHO WOULD BE DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY THIS CHANGE HAVE REALLY NOT HAD AN APPETITE FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING HOMES, PRETTY MUCH FOR OVER 40 YEARS NOW.

UM, THERE ARE SEVERAL NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE WELL, ALL THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS, OTHER THAN COMMERCIAL.

AND OF COURSE, LIKE VIEW HAVE BEEN, SO ARE ALL SINGLE DWELLING, YOU KNOW, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

AND IT ALSO INCLUDES A NEWER NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE SAME INTERSECTION, AS WELL AS THE NEARBY ROSE HILL ADDITION.

AND I'M SURE YOU'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH, UM, AND MY OPINION FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH.

I JUST THINK IT'S BETTER.

IT WOULD BE BETTER SUITED FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

UM, OBVIOUSLY I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WOULD DISAGREE THAT, THAT THERE'S, THERE'S NO ISSUE WITH THE MARKET.

I MEAN, THE MARKET WAS CERTAINLY HOLDS SOME MORE HOMES.

UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING ALONG THE SITE.

AGAIN, I JUST, I HOPE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE COULD POTENTIALLY GIVE US MORE TIME TO, TO, TO BRING MORE PEOPLE TO A MEETING, TO, TO, TO SHOW THAT THE DISAGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE WITH THIS, BUT I OF COURSE RESPECT EVERYTHING YOU ALL DO.

AND I RESPECT WHATEVER DECISION YOU MIGHT PUT IN.

I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU.

YOU'RE WELCOME TO ANY, ANY QUESTIONS WITH THIS GENTLEMEN, I WILL POINT OUT THIS IS A TWO PHASE PROCESS WE ARE RECOMMENDING BY ONLY TO THE CITY CONSOLE.

SO THERE'LL BE ANOTHER CHANCE TO APPROACH THE CITY COUNCIL AND GET MORE PEOPLE TO GET IN TO TALK ABOUT IT.

UH, ONE THING THE APPLICANT DID POINT OUT IS THIS IS AGRICULTURAL ZONING, SO THAT LEAVES IT OPEN TO BEING REZONED, COMMERCIAL, RETAIL, AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

SO THERE ARE ALSO THOSE ALTERNATIVE, SOME BETTER THAN OTHERS THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.

AND, UH, BEFORE I ASK YOU BACK, LET ME SEE IF, UH, MR. UH, LIZ THINGS HERE.

THERE HE IS.

AND IF YOU'LL GO AHEAD AND UNMUTE YOURSELF, SARAH WILL.

AND IF YOU WANT TO SHOW US YOUR FACE, WE'LL, WE'LL DO THAT TOO.

BUT, UH, NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE, YOU COULD SEE THE FACE IF I KNEW WHAT I WAS DOING HERE, BUT ANYWAY, UM, TO MR. BROOKS, HIS POINT, UH, I'VE LIVED IN MY HOUSE.

I'M AT 38 0 4 WHITE ROCK TRAIL, AND I'VE LIVED IN THE HOUSE, UH, SINCE 1976.

SO I'VE SEEN ROWAN ROAD GO FROM A TWO LANE BAR DITCH ROAD TO FOUR LANE DIVIDED, SEE RALEIGH ROAD CHANGE, UM, USED TO TAKE ROSE HILL CUT THROUGH TO GET OVER TO BROADWAY, UM, BACK TO WHEN I FIRST BOUGHT MY HOME.

BUT ANYWAY, UM, I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE OF ISSUES HERE.

ONE, IF YOU, UM, YOU LOOK AT THE RESIDENTS ON ROWAN ROAD, MOST OF THOSE HAVE, UM, UH, MASONRY WALLS THAT ARE IN BAD NEED OF REPAIR.

AND I THINK YOU GUYS ARE YOU MAYBE NOT, BUT THE CITY IS DEEPLY INVOLVED IN, UH, THE ONES DOWN, UM, PASS WATER VIEW, UH, BETWEEN WATER VIEW AND, UH, AND THE HIGHWAY.

UM, SO HERE WE GO WITH ANOTHER S ANOTHER RESONANCE OR ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT WITH, UH, MASONRY WALLS.

UM, I SUSPECT HOA DOWN THE STREET WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE THEN, AND EVEN WITH WHAT WE'VE GOT GOING ON HERE.

AND HE SAID HOA WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE.

UM, THEY STILL SEEM TO FALL IN DISREPAIR.

UM, THERE WAS A QUESTION RAISED ABOUT SIDEWALKS.

THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS ON THAT SIDE ROWING OR RALEIGH ROAD SIDEWALK.

YOU JUST WENT IN ON ROWAN MODE ON MY SIDE OF THE STREET, UM, JUST IN THE RECENT CONSTRUCTION THAT WAS DONE TO REPLACE, I THINK, SEWER LINES OR WATER LINES DOWN IN THE MIDDLE OF ROWAN ROAD.

SO THERE ARE NO WALKS, UM, ON THAT SIDE FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE THOSE THERE.

I WILL SAY THAT, BUT, UH, THERE ARE WALKS NOW ON MY SIDE OF THE STREET.

UM, I, I THINK TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE A HUGE PROBLEM GUYS.

UH, LADIES, IF YOU LOOK AT TRAFFIC ON ROWAN AND ROWLETT ROAD DURING RUSH HOURS, UM, IT'S BACKED UP COMING OUT OF RAW LEAD.

IT'S BACKED UP COMING DOWN ROWAN ROAD FROM , IT'S BACKED UP, COMING DOWN RAUL AT ROAD FROM, UM, FROM BROADWAY.

UM, AND WITH ONLY TWO INGRESSIVES INTO THAT DEVELOPMENT, I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE NOTHING

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BUT TRAFFIC BACKUP AT THAT INTERSECTION WITH PEOPLE TRYING TO GET IN.

UM, ALSO, I'M NOT SURE HOW THEY'RE GOING TO GET ACROSS, UH, ROWAN ROAD, UH, WITHOUT A NEW CURB CUT INTO, UM, WHAT YOU SHOWN ON YOUR SITE PLAN.

SO, UM, I THINK AT SOME YOU GUYS GOTTA LOOK AT, AND THERE'S GOTTA BE A BETTER WAY.

I'M A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT SOME MASONRY, SOME, UH, UH, SOME METAL FENCE ALONG ROWAN.

UH, WE THINK WE'D BE BETTER SERVED TO HAVE IT ALL THE SAME.

UH, AND I THINK LET'S BE REAL CANDID.

THIS TOWNHOUSE ADDITION IS NOTHING MORE THAN, UH, APARTMENTS, 43 APARTMENTS.

THERE'S NOTHING SINGLE-FAMILY ABOUT THEM.

UM, SO I'M OPPOSED TO IT, MY NEIGHBORS OPPOSED TO IT.

I KNOW.

UM, SO WE'D LIKE TO SEE IT, UH, WE'D LIKE TO SEE A SINGLE FAMILY ACROSS THE BOARD AS MR. BROOKE SAID.

AND THAT'S ABOUT MY TWO BITS, ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. WESTLAND CHAIRMAN? I DID WANT TO CLARIFY ONE THING FROM EARLIER AND ACTUALLY THE FIRST GENTLEMEN, UH, SPOKE ON IT.

I, I KNOW THE PLANNERS AND ALL OF US WERE READING FROM ALL THE DIFFERENT CASES AND LOOKING AT A LOT OF NUMBERS HERE, BUT, UH, THE GENTLEMEN WAS TALKING ABOUT THE RESPONSES AND THE NUMBERS, AND YOU'VE GOT THEM ALL IN YOUR PACKETS, BUT JUST WANTED TO MAKE CLEAR FOR THE RECORD WE DID RECEIVE, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE THREE IN, BUT A 24 AN OPPOSITION, SO THAT THOSE ARE IN YOUR PACKETS.

JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR FOR THE RECORD.

AND THERE'S A COMBINATION IN 24 WITHIN AN UPSIDE, BUT THAT'S CORRECT.

I'M COMBINING THE TWO.

IT LOOKS LIKE THERE WERE 13 WITHIN A LIFE OUTSIDE.

YES, SIR.

THANK YOU.

ALRIGHTY.

UH, CHRISTY, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ELSE IN A PUBLIC AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS SIDE? WE DO.

SO WE HAVE SEVERAL, THE FIRST ONE WILL BE ANGELA ALCORN.

OKAY, ANGELA.

HELLO? HELLO.

HI.

UM, SO MY NAME IS ANGELA ALCORN AND, UM, I'M HERE ACTUALLY REPRESENTING, UM, MY MOTHER NATIN KENNEDY WHO LIVES AT 38 0 2 BROWN CIRCLE.

SHE, UM, IS 86 AND SHE'S LIVED IN THAT HOME SINCE I BELIEVE 1979.

I WAS, I THINK, NINE AT THAT TIME.

UM, BUT JUST LIKE SOME OF THE OTHER, UM, PEOPLE HAVE SAID MY CONCERN FOR MANY, BUT ONE IS THE FACT THAT WE HAVE ALWAYS WISHED THAT A PARK WOULD GO UP THERE.

WE HAD HOPED, YOU KNOW, BACK WHEN IT WAS, UH, UH, TO, YOU KNOW, THAT TWO LANE BLACKTOP ROAD WHERE YOU HAD TO DRIVE IN DOWN THE HILL TO EVEN GET INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, MY CONCERN IS ALSO THE, THE WALL, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WET IS DOWN.

UM, I CAN'T THINK OF THE NAME OF THE INTERSECTION, BUT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, UM, GOING TOWARDS I 30, WHERE THE WALL IS COLLAPSING.

IT'S JUST, UM, IT'S JUST A HUGE EYESORE AND THIS PROPERTY THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING OUT IS LITERALLY THE DRIVEWAY IS AT MY MOTHER'S DOOR.

MY MOTHER LIVES ON THE CORNER OF ROTTEN ROAD AND RUNS CIRCLE.

AND, UM, THE TRAFFIC THAT WOULD BUILD UP THERE, IT WAS THERE A LIGHT THAT WOULD GO UP.

I MEAN, HOW, HOW ARE THEY GOING TO CONTROL THE TRAFFIC THAT ALREADY BACKS UP, YOU KNOW, COMING THROUGH TO THAT, TO GET TO ROAM ROAD, JUST BECAUSE LIKE WE'VE SAID, IT IS A CUT-THROUGH, IT'S A KATHRYN, WHEN YOU HAVE 43, UH, UNITS VERSUS STUDENTS, SINGLE HOUSING UNITS, THAT'S NOT GOING TO CREATE SO MUCH TRAFFIC, IF IT'S JUST A PROBLEM.

I SEE, YOU KNOW, IF THEY DON'T BUILD UP A RETAINER THAT IS MAINTAINED AND IT IS GOING TO BE SUCH A HORRIBLE ICE OR TO LOOK OUT HER DOOR AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT SHE'S GOING TO SEE EVERY DAY.

AND THEN MYSELF AS WELL, WHEN, WHEN I HAVE HER HOME AFTER SHE'S, YOU KNOW, AFTER SHE'S GONE, UM, THE HOME VALUE OF HER HOME IS NOT GOING TO STAY AT TO WHAT IT IS RIGHT NOW.

IF, IF THIS, IF, IF THIS COMES ALONG IN, IN THE, PROPERTY'S NOT, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T HAVE A NICE TO SIDE, IT DOES.

IT, IT DOESN'T LOOK WELL, I THINK THEY CAN DO BETTER ON, ON THE WAY THAT IT ACTUALLY IS IN AN APPEARANCE AS FAR AS, AS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE ON THE FACADE OF IT.

UM, AND I HAVE OTHER CONCERNS AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, THE IRRIGATION AND, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IS IT GOING TO BE COSMETICALLY, NICE LOOKING THROUGH THERE, BUT A BIG PART OF IT IS GOING TO BE THE TRAFFIC THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TURN AROUND AND MAKE A TURNING CARS THAT TURN INTO THAT.

NEIGHBORHOOD'S GOING TO BE RIGHT THERE AT MY MOTHER'S DOOR.

UM,

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LET ME SEE, LET ME LOOK AT MY NOTES AGAIN, I'M HERE.

AND HOW HIGH WILL THAT WALL BE? IS THAT WALL GOING TO BE HIGH ENOUGH TO WHERE WE'RE, WE'RE NOT HIGHER THAN THE OTHER ONES THAT WE'RE SEEING DOWN THE ROAD THAT ARE COLLAPSING? UM, JUST, JUST ABOUT WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE IS, IS, IS AN ISSUE IS AN ISSUE TO ME IN MY MOTHER AS WELL.

UH, WOULD THEY PUT A LIGHT AT THAT ENTRANCE? IS THAT GONNA, YOU KNOW, IF THEY, IF THEY TURN AROUND AND PUT THAT AS A TURN IN TO GO IN, ARE THEY GONNA STOP TRAFFIC AT THAT RIGHT BEFORE YOU GET TO RAUL AT ROAD? AND THERE'LL BE A TURN IN THERE AS WELL? UM, ANOTHER, UM, ISSUE I HAVE, UM, IS WHAT IS THE COST OF THESE UNITS GOING TO BE, ARE THESE GOING TO TURN INTO SECTION EIGHT? UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE, UM, WE CAN TEND TO HAVE A HIGHER CRIME AND THE APARTMENTS THAT ARE JUST DOWN THE ROAD, UM, WHERE WE'VE RECENTLY SEEN MULTIPLE SHOOTINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND I'M NOT SAYING BECAUSE THAT'S SECTION EIGHT, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, I AM GLAD THAT IT'S NOT APARTMENTS, THAT I DON'T WANT IT TO TURN INTO TWO, THE COST OF THE SAME THING.

IT WOULD BE AS IF IT WAS AN APARTMENT.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A FAMILY, A SINGLE FAMILY UNITS BEING PUT IN THERE, OR IF THEY AREN'T GOING TO DO TOWNHOUSE, MAKE THEM NOT MAKE THEM, YOU KNOW, OUTRAGEOUS FOR PEOPLE TO PURCHASE, BUT NOT THE SAME AS SOMEBODY COMING IN AND RENTING AN APARTMENT.

ARE THESE GONNA BE PURCHASED OR ARE THEY GOING TO BE RENTED? UM, I THINK THAT MAKES A HUGE, HUGE DIFFERENCE.

I THINK IT MAKES A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN THAT.

UM, AND REALLY, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAVE IS THAT IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST A CONCERN WE'VE SEEN THAT LOT OPEN FOR, YOU KNOW, I MEAN MY ENTIRE LIFE, I'M 50 YEARS OLD WHEN WE MOVED IN THERE WHEN I WAS NINE.

AND, UM, WE ALWAYS HOPE THAT A PARK WOULD COME IN TO BE QUITE HONEST.

THANK YOU FOR LISTENING.

I APPRECIATE IT.

MATT MAY BE ABLE TO HELP YOU ON SOME OF THAT.

UH, THE TOWNHOME HOMES, EXCUSE ME, OUR PLANTS ARE PLANTED ON INDIVIDUAL, LOTS MEANT FOR SALE.

NOW THAT DOESN'T MEAN LIKE, EVEN IN ANY NEIGHBORHOOD, SOMEBODY GOOD BUY A HOUSE AND THEN RENT IT.

THAT SAME CONCEPT COULD HAPPEN HERE.

IF SOMEBODY COULD PROBABLY COME IN AND BUY MULTIPLE ONES AND RENT IT OUT.

SO IT CAN EITHER BE SINGLE FAMILY OR RENTAL, LIKE ANY NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT'S NOT ONE BUILDING THAT ONE PERSON WOULD BE BUYING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

THEY ARE INDIVIDUAL UNITS, UH, IN TERMS OF, UH, UH, THE WALLS, SOME OF THEM CRUMBLING.

I DON'T RECALL EXACTLY WHEN IT WAS EIGHTIES OR NINETIES, THAT THE CITY MANDATED HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS AND REQUIRED THEM TO MAINTAIN THE WALLS.

THERE ARE A LOT OF SUBDIVISIONS THAT WENT IN WHERE THE HOMEOWNER, EACH INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNER WHO'S GOT TO WALK PORTION OF WALL BEHIND THEM IS RESPONSIBLE FOR IT.

AND THAT HAS PROVEN NOT TO WORK.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE CASE WITH WHERE THOSE WALLS ARE DAMAGED OR NOT.

UH, THE CITY DOES TRY TO SOMETIMES PARTNER WITH FOLKS AND GET THE BALLS REPAIRED.

THIS WOULD BE AN HOA.

THE CITY CAN GO TO THE HOA AND MANDATE THAT THEY FIX IT.

SO HOPEFULLY THAT WON'T BE AN ISSUE, BUT 20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, WHO KNOWS YOU'RE RIGHT.

UH, AND IF I COULD ASK, UH, KIMBERLY, IF YOU COULD PUT THE SITE PLAN UP AGAIN, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT AND CAUSE I I'M HAVING TROUBLE PULLING MINE UP.

OKAY.

IS THERE A MEDIAN ON ROAD ROAD THERE? IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THERE IS, IS THERE.

AND IF THERE IS, IS THERE A DIESEL LANE FOR TURNING AND EVERYTHING? AND I DON'T SEE WHERE THE SITE PLAN IS SHOWING UP.

EXCUSE ME, EXCUSE ME, SIR.

BUT MY, MY MOTHER WOULD BE DOWN AT 38 0 2 ROOM CIRCLE, WHICH IS AT THE CORNER WHERE THE ENTRANCE WOULD BE DOWN IN YOUR FURTHEST RIGHT-HAND CORNER.

RIGHT.

AND THERE IS NO TURN.

UM, I MEAN THERE'S BRAND NEW MEDIANS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT IN, UM, JUST ALL, NOT ALL THAT LONG AGO.

AND, AND THERE IS NOTHING COMING FROM WHEN YOU'RE COMING TOWARDS WE'RE ALL AT ROAD.

THERE IS NO LEFT HAND LEFT HAND TURN THAT WOULD ACCOMMODATE AT THIS TIME FOR COMING IN TO THAT DRIVE.

AND I JUST FEEL LIKE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BACK UP.

AND IS THAT GOING TO CONTINUE? ARE WE GOING TO WANT TO PIT, ARE YOU GOING TO WIND UP GETTING A LIGHT THERE AT THAT INTERSECTION SO PEOPLE CAN GET THROUGH AND ACROSS BECAUSE OF TRAFFIC? UM, I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT'S GOING TO BE AN ISSUE.

ALRIGHT.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, KIMBERLY.

ALRIGHTY.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF MS. MS. ALCORN THERE?

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THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UH, TRACY, NEXT PERSON, PLEASE.

NEXT SPEAKER WILL BE KIMBERLY SCOTT.

HI, MY NAME IS SCOTT.

UM, I LIVE AT 4 0 1 4 WHITEWASHED TRAIL AT THE BOTTOM OF THE HILL.

UM, RIGHT BEFORE THE LAKE.

UM, WITH THAT, I THINK I'M TOO FAR AWAY HAVE GOTTEN THE NOTICE ABOUT THIS, BUT FORTUNATELY ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS TOLD ME, UM, UNLIKE EVERYONE ELSE, WE'VE ONLY BEEN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THREE YEARS AND THE ATTRACTION TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WAS THE QUIETNESS OF IT.

UM, I WORRY, WE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH, UH, CRIME OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT DOWN HERE.

I'M NOT AFRAID TO BE IN MY HOUSE OR WALK THE STREETS IN THE EVENING, YOU KNOW, AFTER IT GETS DARK OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

I WORRY JUST AS THE OTHER PEOPLE HAVE SAID, UM, TOWNHOMES DO TYPICALLY, UH, WIND UP BEING, UH, RENTERS.

AND I WORRY ABOUT YOUNG FAMILIES THAT MIGHT HAVE TEENAGERS THAT LIKE TO EXTRACT TROUBLE.

I HAVE A COUPLE OF THOSE MYSELF THAT I KEEP UNDER CONTROL.

UM, BUT YEAH, I WORRY ABOUT ALL THE SAME THINGS, THE TRAFFIC, ESPECIALLY THAT CORNER, UH, AT THE RED LIGHT, UM, WE DO SEE WRECKS THERE.

UM, I WORRY WITH THE, UH, PROPERTY LINE GOING ALL THE WAY TO THAT CORNER.

THERE MIGHT NOT BE ENOUGH SIGHT THERE.

UM, AND ESPECIALLY I SAW THE TWO EGRESS IS ALSO THE, THE TWO ENTRANCES.

THAT'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM.

UM, WE DO GET BACK UP SINCE I, I LIVE OFF WHITE ROCK TRAIL.

I'M KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT BACK, THAT ROWAN LINE.

UM, TRAFFIC IS BACKED UP EVERY SINGLE DAY, UM, DOWN PAST WHERE MS. ALCORN'S MOM LIVES TO GET TO THAT RED LIGHT WITH PEOPLE GOING BACK AND FORTH, UM, AS THE NEW KID ON THE BLOCK.

SO TO SPEAK ONLY THREE YEARS IN, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT WE MOVED HERE BECAUSE IT'S QUIET AND WE WOULD CERTAINLY WHEN MIND SINGLE FAMILIES, WE JUST WORRY ABOUT THE MULTIFAMILY CONCEPT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NEXT SPEAKER SPEAKER WILL BE STACY.

WE'LL GO AHEAD AND UNMUTE YOU'RE UP NEXT? YES.

HELLO? CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? YES.

STACY MAY THREE.

I'M SORRY.

I JUST FORGOT THAT 8 0 2 WALKMAN BOULEVARD.

I LIVE ON THE CORNER WITHIN 400 FEET OF THE FIGHT.

OKAY.

UM, WHAT MANY OF MY NEIGHBORS, I'M SORRY, GETTING A LOT OF FEEDBACK, BUT LIKE MANY OF MY NEIGHBORS I'VE BEEN A LIFELONG RESIDENT AND GARLAND BORN AND RAISED HERE AND ALSO A LONGTIME PROPERTY OWNER.

AND MY FIRST AND FOREMOST CONCERN IS A NEIGHBORHOOD SAFETY CONCERN.

OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS ALREADY A VERY HIGH VOLUME, HAS A HIGH VOLUME OF TRAFFIC COMING FROM ALL SIDES.

MOST, ESPECIALLY SINCE THE TIME ROAD ROAD WAS EXPANDED TO THE BIA FOUR LANE ACCESS ROAD TO, AND FROM OUR 30.

AND THERE'S ALREADY A NOTICEABLE INCREASE IN THE GROWING TRAFFIC VOLUME IS MORE PEOPLE MOVE TO THE NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES, WHICH ALL UTILIZE ROME ROAD FOR THEIR DAILY ACCESS TO .

AND EVEN THOUGH THE SPEED LIMIT SIGN SAYS 40 MILES PER HOUR, MOST DRIVERS AGGRESSIVELY COMPETE TO, BUT IN FRONT OF EVERYONE ELSE, WHO'S ALREADY WAITING IN LONG TRAFFIC LINES AS THEY MAKE THEIR APPROACH FOR MY 30 TO TURN ONTO RAIL AT ROAD, HEADING INTO ROULETTE AS WELL AS COMING IN OFF OF AT ROAD TO TURN ONTO OWN ROAD TO ACCESS FIVE 30.

UM, ALSO WE FREQUENTLY IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND ME BEING ON THE CORNER, YOU CAN HEAR THE EMERGENCY VEHICLES SIRENS OFTEN.

I THINK THERE MIGHT BE A GREAT DEAL OF TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS AT ROAD ROAD AND RAIL AT ROAD.

YOU MIGHT WANT TO CHECK INTO THAT.

THAT'S JUST SOMETHING I WANTED TO MENTION.

UM, ALSO ANOTHER POINT I WANTED TO MAKE, OBVIOUSLY TOWNHOUSES DON'T HOLD THEIR VALUE AND THEY DON'T HAVE THE OBVIOUS VALUE OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN LOOKING AT THE RENDERINGS THIS EVENING.

THESE ARE DEFINITELY A LOWER BUDGET PLAN.

UM, SO ANOTHER MAJOR FACTOR THAT CONCERNED ME CONCERNS ME IS THE APPROVAL OF THIS TYPE OF REZONING REQUEST.

NOT ONLY WILL RESULT IN THE INEVITABLE DEVALUATION

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OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD PROPERTY VALUES, BUT IT ALSO OPENS THE DOOR FOR POTENTIAL DEVASTATION OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND HOME VALUES.

A SPECIFIC EXAMPLE BEING IF AFTER REZONING, THE CURRENT TOWN HAS PROJECT FALLS THROUGH OR CHANGES, THE SITE'S ALREADY ZONED IT READY FOR APARTMENT BUILDING, WHICH IS ALREADY OVER ABUNDANT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, ALSO JUST TO EXPAND UPON MY NEIGHBORS THAT MENTIONED THAT BRICK WALL ISSUE THAT'S AROUND, I BELIEVE THE WATERHOUSE BOULEVARD, NEIGHBORHOOD OR WATER WATERHOUSE BOULEVARD.

IT TOOK ALMOST TWO YEARS FOR ANY BRICK REPAIR TO EVEN GET STARTED SO THAT MY, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, THAT'S A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION IF YOU WANT TO CHECK IT.

BUT IN SUMMARY REZONING IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA FOR TOWNHOUSES OR APARTMENTS WOULD BE OVERDEVELOPMENT AS THIS TYPE OF HIGH DENSITY.

COMPACT HOUSING IS NOT CONFORMING TO THE AREA AND WILL OBVIOUSLY LOWER THE DESIRABILITY OF OUR LAKESIDE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO RESPECTFULLY A CREST REQUEST IN LIEU OF OVERDEVELOPMENT.

CAN YOU PLEASE GIVE CONSIDERATION TO MUCH NEEDING IMPROVEMENTS FOR THIS AREA? AND WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND LISTENING TO ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THANK YOU.

I WILL POINT OUT, SHOULD THIS BE APPROVED AND MOVE ON TO CONSOLE AND BE APPROVED THERE? UH, IT DOES NOT ALLOW FOR APARTMENTS.

IT WOULD ONLY BE ZONING, BUT HE WANTED TO COME BACK IN AND DO APARTMENTS OR EVEN CHANGE IT TO SINGLE FAMILY.

AGAIN, IT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK THROUGH THE PROCESS.

REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

ALRIGHTY.

YES, SIR.

MY NAME IS ERIC .

I LIVE AT GREEN 9 2 0 CEDAR CREEK DRIVE.

I REALIZE I'M OUTSIDE OF THE 400 FEET FROM THE PROPOSED FACILITY FROM, UH, OUTSIDE THE 400 FEET.

HOWEVER, I THINK THAT THIS WILL DEFINITELY IMPACT THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE WE ARE, UM, OR CEDAR CREEK IS AT THREE TENTHS OF A MILE FROM THE CORNER OF RAILROADS AND RALEIGH.

AND VERY OFTEN I HAVE TO WAIT AND BACK UP FOR PEOPLE TURNING RIGHT ONTO VALID ROAD TO GO TO THE BACK INTO, UH, ACROSS THE LAKE THERE, UM, 3000 A MILE BACK.

AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY BROUGHT THAT UP AS A VERY DIFFERENT, IT'S GOING TO BE A BIG TRAFFIC PROBLEM THAT IS NOT THERE.

UM, IN ORDER TO DO THAT, THEY WOULD HAVE TO WIDEN IT.

IT'S GOING TO TAKE OUT SOME OF THE SPACE THAT ACCOMMODATED FOR THE, UH, FOR THE, FOR THE, UH, THE PLANT THAT YOU DREW OUT.

UM, THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO BRING UP AS EVERYONE ELSE HAS IS, UM, THE MAINTENANCE OF THE FACILITY THERE.

A LOT OF THE HOMES THAT WERE BUILT, WE MOVED HERE IN 2000, THERE WAS A SUBDIVISION THAT WAS BUILT DIRECTLY BEHIND THIS YEAR, THE HOMES THAT ARE, UH, EXPENSIVE HOMES, BUT THEY WERE VERY CHEAPLY BUILT.

AND IT'S VERY, THAT'S BEEN A BIG PROBLEM WITH THOSE HOMES OVER THERE, UH, RAPIDLY DETERIORATING IN THE LAST 20 YEARS, YOU KNOW, STABBINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

UM, AND LOOKING AT THE WAY THAT THIS PLACE IS LOOKING LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE CONSTRUCTED.

I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.

AND AS EVERYONE HAS STAGES, SOME PEOPLE HAVE STATED THAT, I MEAN, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO DECREASE THE MARVI, IT'S GOING TO DECREASE THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY.

AND, UM, I'M VERY, I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.

UM, NOT TO TAKE A WHOLE LOT OF, I AGREE WITH EVERYONE'S THOUGHTS AND INPUT ON THIS, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND EFFORT.

THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK ON THIS.

WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING, COMING DOWN, SO TO SPEAK.

WE DO APPRECIATE IT.

AND THE SYSTEM AND THE PROCESS WORKS BETTER WITH CITIZEN INPUT.

THANK YOU.

ANYBODY ELSE? YES, SIR.

ALRIGHTY, GO AHEAD, SIR.

ON MUTE YOURSELF AND NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE GIVE HIM A FEW SECONDS HERE.

STEPPED AWAY FROM THE DESK FOR A SECOND.

PROBABLY

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IS OUR LAST SPEAKER, SIR.

I KNOW.

YEAH.

MR. CASTILLO, HELLO.

TELL YOU WHAT, WHY DON'T I BRING THE APPLICANT BACK FOR A SECOND AND GIVE MR. CASTILLO SOME MORE TIME HE CAN CHIME IN.

SO I BELIEVE THE, UH, DO I SEE THE AFRICAN UP HERE? UH, YEAH.

MR. BOOKIE JUST MOVED DOWN.

THANK YOU.

GO AHEAD.

I SAW YOU WANT TO CHIME IN AFTER THE FIRST SPEAKER, YOU'VE HEARD A FEW OF THEM.

YES.

SO, UM, I WANT TO THANK ALL THE SPEAKERS FOR, FOR MAKING THE POINTS THAT THEY MAKE AND THEY'RE ALL VALID POINTS.

UM, I, I DO FEEL THAT, THAT WE ARE GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND, UM, WHAT IS REQUIRED FOR A DEVELOPMENT OF THIS NATURE.

UM, THIS IS, AND I HEARD, I JUST WANT TO ADDRESS AS MANY POINTS IN AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, BUT I HEARD A LOT OF THE SPEAKERS SAY THEY WOULD LIKE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES ON THIS SITE.

UM, I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT BY, BY JUST SAYING, IT'S NOT POSSIBLE TO PUT SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES ON THIS SITE, IT'S AN ECONOMIC.

UM, IF WE COULD PUT SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES, THAT WOULD BE OUR CHOICE.

IT'S A VERY SMALL SITE.

IT'S ONLY FOUR ACRES AND THE PRICE OF THE LAND IS EXTREMELY HIGH.

SO, UM, ECONOMICALLY, UM, SINGLE FAMILY WOULDN'T WORK.

THE, THE ONLY OTHER OPTION THAT WOULD WORK OTHER THAN TOWNHOMES IS HIGHER DENSITIES, WHICH WOULD BE OF A COMMERCIAL NATURE.

SO THE TOWNHOMES THAT WE'RE PLANNING DO GIVE THE NEIGHBORS THE LEAST AMOUNT OF DENSITY POSSIBLE.

UM, GIVEN THE SITE THE SIZE AND ITS LOCATION, UM, WITH REGARDS TO, UM, THE WALL, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DID THE OPEN FENCE, UH, FOR A REASON TO BE ABLE FOR THE NEIGHBORS AND THE TRAFFIC TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE PARK THAT WERE IT GAVE, UM, IT GIVES A VIEW OF AN OPEN SPACE.

IT PROVIDES MORE THAN JUST DRIVING BY AND LOOKING AT A SOLID CONCRETE WALL.

THAT WAS, THAT WAS PART OF OUR THOUGHT PROCESS, UM, BEHIND HAVING SOME OPEN FENCE AND WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO PUT SOME LANDSCAPING IN FRONT OF IT TO MAKE IT, UM, A NICER LOOKING AND PRETTIER.

BUT, BUT THAT, THAT WAS OUR SORT OF GOAL WAS TO ALLOW THE PASSING TRAFFIC TO HAVE SOME SORT OF A PARK TYPE OF VIEW.

UM, WE ARE PUTTING TO, UH, TURN LANES INTO ADDRESS THE TRAFFIC PROBLEM.

I HEARD MANY OF THE, UM, OF THE RESIDENTS SAY THAT IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE TO TURN INTO THE SUBDIVISION, UM, FOR A SUBDIVISION OF THIS SIZE.

SO, UH, WE ORIGINALLY HAD 54 LOTS DESIGNED FOR THIS SUBDIVISION AND IN WORKING, UH, WITH KIMBERLY THROUGH THE PROCESS AND THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND THE TRAFFIC DEPARTMENT, WE LOWERED THE OVERALL A LOT TOTAL FROM 54 DOWN TO 43 TO MAKE ROOM FOR THE PARK TO MAKE ROOM FOR TURNING LANES TO ALLOW, UM, SOME DRAINAGE EASEMENTS THAT THE, UH, ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT WANTED.

THAT'S WHY SOME OF OUR LOTS ARE SMALLER.

UM, THERE'S ACTUALLY MORE SPACE BEHIND THE LODGE, BUT IT'S BEEN DEDICATED, UM, AS OPEN SPACE FOR DRAINAGE.

SO, UM, WE'VE, WE'VE REALLY SHRUNK THIS DEVELOPMENT DOWN FROM WHAT OUR ORIGINAL PLAN WAS.

SO I, I WANT THE NEIGHBORS TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN, UM, TO TRY AND MAKE THIS FIT INTO THE COMMUNITY AS IT STANDS.

AND I DO FEEL THAT WE ARE STILL, UM, UH, THE, THE BEST OPTION BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO BE LOWER DENSITY.

THESE ARE NOT APARTMENTS.

WE HAVE NO INTENTION OF MAKING THEM RENTAL UNITS.

UH, THIS IS A FOR SALE.

WE ARE THE DEVELOPER WHO WOULD DO DOES THE LAND.

AND WE ALSO WOULD BUILD A UNIT.

SO WE'RE NOT SELLING THEM TO ANOTHER BUILDER.

UM, WE WOULD, WE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR, UM, BEGINNING TO END, AND THIS IS A FOR SALE PROJECT.

UM, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I GET ALL THE POINTS THAT I HAD.

YEAH.

YES.

TH THOSE ARE ALL MY POINTS.

AND, AND AGAIN, I, I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE ADDRESSED A LOT OF THE CONCERNS OF THE COMMUNITY AND, AND I DO, I REALLY THINK THE COMMUNITY FOR COMING OUT.

UM, WE WANT THIS TO BE A PROJECT THAT THEY WILL BE PROUD TO HAVE IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, W WE, WE ARE NOT DOING SECTION EIGHT.

WE ARE NOT DOING ANY OF THE NEGATIVE, UM, THINGS THAT, THAT SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS AREN'T AFRAID OF.

WE'VE TRIED TO REALLY MAKE THIS A POSITIVE DEVELOPMENT.

SO I THANK

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THE COMMISSION AND THE NEIGHBORS FOR ALL THE HARD WORK.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

ANY, UH, QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT AGAIN? UH, TRACY DID OUR LAST UP PUBLIC SPEAKER GO AWAY.

I DON'T SEE HIM HERE.

OKAY.

AND WE HAVE NOBODY ELSE.

THAT IS CORRECT.

OKAY.

AND, UH, CA KIMBERLY, IF I CAN, UH, IMPOSE ON YOU AGAIN, AT LEAST, UH, EIGHT, HE TALKED ABOUT TWO TURN LANES.

I'M ASSUMING THESE ARE TURN LANES INTO THE PRIOR TO GOING OFF OF ROLLA ROAD, ONE OFF OF WRONG ROAD.

THERE'S A MEDIAN THERE.

WOULD HE BE REQUIRED TO PUT A LEFT-HAND TURN LANE COMING NORTH ON ROWAN ROAD TO TURN INTO HIS DEVELOPMENT, UH, CUT INTO THE MEDIAN? THAT IS CORRECT, BUT I WILL HAVE TO CHECK WITH THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT.

OKAY.

CAUSE, UH, THE RIGHT RIGHTFULLY CONCERNED THAT IS A MAJOR ROAD.

AND IF SOMEBODY STOPPING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE LANE TO WAIT TO TURN THE LEFT, UH, RIGHT THERE AT THE CORNER OF ROOM AND CIRCLE WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO COME IN, I CAN SEE THERE'S A TURN LANE COMING SOUTH TO GO INTO ROOM CIRCLE, BUT WE NEED A TURN LANE COMING NORTH.

AND I DIDN'T SEE THAT ON THE SITE PLAN.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING TRAFFIC DEFINITELY NEEDS TO REQUIRE FOR IF THIS PASSES.

ALRIGHTY, OKAY.

COMMISSIONERS, UH, I THINK WE'RE INTO MOTION OR DISCUSSION TIME AND I SEE COMMISSIONER ROSE RAISING HIS HAND OVER THERE.

I HAVE A QUESTION OF THE APPLICANT BEFORE WE GET THERE.

IS THERE ANY WAY THAT YOU CAN PUT IN TO THE SALES CONTRACT THAT THESE UNITS MUST BE OWNER OCCUPIED, COMMISSIONER ROSE? YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING I WOULD LOVE TO DO, BUT I WAS, I WAS IN BUSINESS IN 2008, NINE AND 10.

AND IF I, IF I PUT THAT, UM, INTO ANY OF OUR CONTRACTS, I FEEL THAT, UM, IF, IF WE HAD, UH, A DEBACLE OF THAT MAGNITUDE, UM, WE WOULD GO BANKRUPT.

AND, AND THAT IS JUST A VERY, I UNDERSTAND THE REASONING BEHIND IT, BUT, UM, IT IT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, WOULD BE VERY, VERY, VERY, UM, EXCESSIVELY, FINANCIALLY.

UM, UH, HOW DO I SAY IT? IT'S, IT, IT, IT JUST WOULD, WOULD HAVE AN IMPACT ON US FINANCIALLY IN THAT SORT OF, UH, UH, UH, A CLIMATE AND A MARKET.

AND THAT, THAT, THAT REALLY, UM, MAKES ME SCARED.

UM, OKAY.

SO THERE'S NO WAY YOU CAN GET RUN T TO THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS THAT THESE WON'T BE RENTED OUT.

THERE IS NO WAY I CAN GUARANTEE YOU.

I LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THERE ARE SEVERAL, SEVERAL HOUSES WHERE THERE'S FIVE, SIX CARS PARKED BUTTON, THE DRIVEWAY, THE STREET FOR FOUR BEDROOM HOUSE, FOUR PATHS.

NO, THEY'RE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES, BUT THEY'RE RENTED.

SO I THINK THAT'S, YOU GOTTA, WITH THE, UH, IN OUR NEIGHBOR WITH NEUTRAL WAY, IT WAS WRITTEN INTO THE HOA, THE MAXIMUM 10%, BUT THAT'S BEYOND OUR CONTROL.

SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ALRIGHTY, WELL, BACK TO A DISPATCHER.

OH, OKAY.

OKAY.

COMMISSIONER WALKED UP THERE IN THE CORNER.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. LAYLA.

LAYLA, IS THAT HOW YOU SAY IT? YES, LAYLA.

LAYLA.

OKAY, COME, SORRY.

I WAS TRYING TO MAKE IT MORE COMPETENT.

YOU'RE OLD ENOUGH TO REMEMBER THAT.

UM, SO IN THE NOTES IT SAYS THAT THE, THERE ARE TWO OPTIONS FOR GARAGE DOORS.

UM, I WAS WONDERING HOW THAT'S DETERMINED THAT SAYS THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THE FOLLOWING ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS SHALL BE PROVIDED FOR EACH GARAGE.

AND HOW, WHAT, HOW ARE THOSE ELEMENTS CHOSEN? ARE, ARE YOU BUILDING TO OWNER'S SPECIFICATIONS OR WHAT IS THE SIZE OF THE HOME DETERMINING THE GARAGE DOOR? UM, I I'M, WE

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HAVE IN OUR PLAN CHOSEN THE DOUBLE GARAGE DOOR.

WE WOULDN'T BE BUILDING TO OWNER'S SPECIFICATIONS.

WE DO INTEND TO TRY AND PRE-SELL AS MANY UNITS OF COURSE, AS POSSIBLE.

UM, BUT WE HAVE CHOSEN A, UH, UH, A DOUBLE GARAGE DOOR PER UNIT.

OKAY.

UM, WELL I