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OKAY,

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GOOD AFTERNOON.

[Community Services Committee on April 5, 2022.]

IT IS TUESDAY, APRIL 5TH, 2022.

IT IS 4:00 PM.

AND THIS IS A MEETING OF THE COMMUNITY SERVICES COMMITTEE.

I AM CHAIR DEBRA MORRIS, AND WITH ME ARE OUR COMMITTEE MEMBERS, COUNCIL MEMBER, VERA, AND DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM, BJ WILLIAMS, AND A ROOM FULL OF STAFF WHO ALL LOOK VERY EXCITED ABOUT BEING HERE.

I'M LYING JUST FOR THE RECORD.

OKAY.

SO, UM, ITEM ONE ON THE AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM THE MARCH 1ST, 2022 MEETING, UH, COMMITTEE MEMBERS.

HAVE YOU ALL HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE MINUTES? AND IF SO, DO I HAVE A MOTION? I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES.

OKAY.

SORRY.

ALL RIGHT.

ALL IN FAVOR.

AYE.

OKAY.

THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED.

NUMBER TWO ON THE AGENDA IS TO DISCUSS FUNDING OPTIONS FOR SIDEWALKS AND SPEED HUMPS.

AND I THINK WE'RE GOING TO TAKE SPEED HUMPS FIRST SIDEWALKS FIRST.

OKAY.

SO I THOUGHT WE WERE REVERSING THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN IN THE SENTENCE.

ALL RIGHT.

AND, UM, STEVE OLIVER, OUR STRAITS DIRECTOR IS, UM, TAKING A SEAT AND IT'S GOING TO WALK US THROUGH THIS.

THANK YOU, STEVE.

THANK YOU, MR. WILLIAMS. AND YOU, CAN YOU PLEASE PUT THE DRAGON MIKE OVER THE WEEKEND? I ACTUALLY WANT TO HEAR WHAT I GOT TO SAY.

MOST PEOPLE DON'T PLUS WE'RE RECORDING YOU LIKE BIG BROTHER.

SO THERE YOU GO.

UH, THE SIDEWALK COST SHIP PROGRAM, OBVIOUSLY THE CABO, THE SIDEWALK COST SHARE PROGRAM IS DESIGNATED FOR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES ON TOP F AND G STREETS AND THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN AND THE STANDARD COST HERE IS THE 50%.

IF IT MEETS THE, IF IT MEETS THE ORDINANCE REQUIREMENT FOR REPLACEMENT, IT'S 50% CINDY FUNDED, 50% RESIDENT FUNDING.

HOWEVER, IN THE MOST RECENT, UH, UH, A REVISION TO THE ORDINANCE, WE APPROVED THE COUNCIL APPROVED THREE OTHER DISCOUNTS THAT COULD BE APPLIED TO THAT, WHICH IS THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION.

THE, IF THE HOUSE IS LOCATED WITHIN A CDBG DESIGNATED AREA, OR IF THE PERSON IS DISABLED AND OR 65 YEARS OF AGE OR OLDER, AND THAT COULD, YOU COULD GET AN ADDITIONAL 40% WHERE YOUR SHARE WOULD BE AS LITTLE AS 10%, IF YOU QUALIFIED FOR ALL THOSE DISCOUNTS, JUST PUT SOME PICTURES IN HERE TO GIVE SOME EXAMPLES OF THE THINGS THAT QUALIFY FOR SIDEWALK REPLACEMENT.

AND THAT'S OBVIOUSLY THE FIRST PICTURE.

YOU'LL SEE WHERE YOU'VE GOT SEPARATION, VERTICAL SEPARATION, SEPARATIONS THAT ARE CAUSED BY TREES.

UH, THE OTHER THING IT'S NOT REALLY SHOWING THEM OF THESE IS A, IS A HORIZONTAL SEPARATION, A HORIZONTAL SEPARATION.

IF IT'S TWO INCHES OF MORE THAN THAT, THAT ALSO QUALIFIES, BUT MOSTLY IT IS THE VERTICAL SEPARATION, VERTICAL SEPARATIONS.

AND THEN ALSO THE DEPRESSIONS THAT CAUSE WATER TO STAND THOSE THINGS.

THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT QUALIFY.

THE THINGS THAT DO NOT QUALIFY IS THINGS LIKE THAT ARE MORE AESTHETIC IN NATURE.

THE SPALLING, IF YOU'VE GOT SPALLING, IF YOU'VE GOT SLIGHT SEPARATION IN THE, IN THE JOINTS THERE, THOSE, THOSE DON'T, THOSE ARE NOT A LARGE ENOUGH SEPARATION TO, UH, TO MEET THE REQUIREMENT SO FAR IS F AT, AND THIS IS THE TIME I PUT THIS TOGETHER.

THAT WAS ABOUT THE MIDDLE OF LAST MONTH.

WE HAD HAD A RECEIVED 183 REQUESTS SINCE OCTOBER 1ST, 2020.

WHEN THE STREET DEPARTMENT TOOK OVER, THERE WAS 183 REQUESTS, 116 MET REQUIREMENT FOR A PLACEMENT AND 77 DIDN'T MEET REPLACEMENT.

THOSE WERE NOTED.

THOSE WERE CLOSING SYSTEM AND THE RESIDENTS WERE NOTIFIED THAT THEY DIDN'T QUALIFY FOR THE COST SHARE THE AVERAGE SHARE THE AVERAGE COST.

THE TOTAL COST OF THAT REPAIR WAS $3,020.

SO BASED ON THE AVERAGE COST, IF WE, IF WE HAD A HUNDRED AND A HUNDRED AND A HUNDRED PERCENT PARTICIPATION, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 350%, THE CITY SHARE WOULD BE 50 TO 90% OF THAT.

SO THAT WOULD BE ANYWHERE FROM 175 TO 315,000 WOULD BE THE CITY SAY, IF NO, NOW, HOWEVER WE TALKED ABOUT, IF NO CITIZEN CONTRIBUTION WAS REQUIRED, WE WOULD EXPECT THE REQUEST WOULD DRAMATICALLY INCREASED.

AND THEREFORE WE WOULD, WE WOULD, THE BEST WAY WE WOULD DO THAT WAS TO BE THOSE ON A FIRST COME FIRST SERVE BASIS.

AND WE THINK THAT THAT WOULD SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASE THE DEMAND ON THE SIDEWALK INSPECTION STAFF, BUT ALSO AS PART OF THAT SIDEWALK REPROGRAM THE, THE REPAIRS THAT ARE ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL STREETS ON THE TOP A THROUGH E IF YOU SEE IF YOUR, IF YOUR HOUSE LIKE SAY A BUTTS ONTO AN ARTERIAL, THOSE REPAIRS ARE A HUNDRED PERCENT.

CITY-FUNDED JUST PUT YOUR EXAMPLES OF AVERAGE SIDEWALK REPLACEMENT COSTS.

THE AVERAGE, THE AVERAGE LENGTH OF A SIDEWALK THAT'S REPLACED WAS 41 41 0.4 FEET.

AND THAT AVERAGE COST, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, WAS $3,020.

SO THE AVERAGE LINEAR PER FOOT COST FOR THE REPLACEMENT, AND THAT INCLUDES ANY SIDING, ANY OF ANY TREE ROOT CUTS, WHATEVER THE AVERAGE IS

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70, ALMOST $73, A SQUARE $73 A LINEAR FOOT.

SO IF I'M, IF I'M THE STANDARD 50 50, THE RESIDENT SHARE WOULD BE $1,510, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD QUALIFY THAT WOULD QUALIFY FOR THE 60 MONTH INSTALLMENT PLAN, OR THAT'S AN AVERAGE OF $25 AND 17 CENTS.

NOW ON THOSE MONTHLY PAYMENTS THAT HAVE NOT, THAT HAS NOT CALCULATED IN THE INTEREST.

I THINK THE INTEREST RATE THAT MATT WATSON GAVE US WAS THREE AND A HALF PERCENT.

SO IT WOULD BE SLIGHTLY HIGHER THAN THAT, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY CLOSE INDICATION OF WHAT THOSE COSTS WILL BE IF YOU GOT, AND I DID A KIND OF A COMBINATION OF ALL THE DIFFERENT PERMUTATIONS YOU COULD GET.

IF YOU JUST GOT THE ELDERLY DISABLED, THE 10% ADDITIONAL COSTS, YOUR COSTS WILL DROP THE $1,200 THAT WAS STILL QUALIFIED FOR THE 60 MONTH PAYMENT PLAN.

AND THAT WILL BE $20 AND 13 CENTS A MONTH.

IF YOU GET THIS, THE HOMESTEAD OR THE CDBG, WHICH IS 15%, THAT WOULD REDUCE YOUR COST OF $1,057, WHICH WOULD ALSO STILL QUALIFY FOR THE MONTH PAYMENT AND THAT'S $17 AND 62 CENTS A MONTH.

AND THEN THE STANDARD, IF YOU GOT CDBG AND ELDERLY STABLE, WHICH WAS 25% DISCOUNT, THAT WOULD RUN THE ADDITIONAL 25% THAT WERE AT ISSUE SHARE TO $755, WHICH AT THAT POINT YOU WOULD QUALIFY FOR A 48 MONTHS PAYMENT PLAN, WHICH WILL BE $15 AND 73 CENTS A MONTH.

AND THEN IF YOU GOT THE HOMESTEAD AND THE, AND THE, AND THE, AND THE CDBG, WHICH WOULD BE A 30% ADDITIONAL DISCOUNT, SO YOUR SHARE WOULD BE $604, WHICH ALSO QUALIFIES FOR THE 48 MONTHS, WHICH IS $12 AND 58 CENTS A MONTH.

AND IF YOU GOT ALL THE DISCOUNTS, ALL 40%, YOUR SEAR WAS A 10% YOU SHARE WOULD BE 300, $2 THAT WOULD QUALIFY FOR THE 36 MONTH PAYMENT.

AND THAT'S $8 AND 39 CENTS A MONTH.

I WAS GOING TO SAY, LIKE I SAY, THE MONTHLY P THOSE CALCULATIONS DON'T INCLUDE THE INTEREST.

AND OF COURSE THE ONE THING IS THAT, THAT IF YOU DO GO ON A MONTHLY PAYMENT PLAN, IT DOES REQUIRE THE PLACEMENT OF A LIEN ON THE PROPERTY.

WE'LL LOOK AT DIFFERENT FUNDING OPTIONS FOR FUNDING.

THESE SHARES.

IN ADDITION TO THE SPOT WE LOOKED AT, I MADE CONVERSATIONS WITH BOTH, UH, UH, SCOTT IN NEIGHBORHOOD, BATTALION, MONI, AND CDBG TO TALK ABOUT THE PROGRAMS, UH, ACCORDING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD BATTALION GRANT, THERE WAS A MATCHING GRANT THAT PROVIDED 79, 70 TO 90% CITY FUNDED, BUT IT DID REQUIRE AN ACTIVE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.

AND THERE WERE 13 PROJECTS THAT WERE COMPLETED BEFORE 22, 20 15.

AND THAT WAS APPROXIMATELY $280,000 IN GRANTS THAT WERE GRANTED FOR THESE TYPES OF SIDEWALK REPLACEMENT HOMES.

IN 2015, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED A POLICY TO CHANGE, TO EXCLUDE SIDEWALKS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY PROJECT FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS.

ONE THE NIGHT, THE THOUGHT WAS THAT YOU WERE ASKING THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO CONTRIBUTE TO AN INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBILITY.

SECONDLY, IT, IT, IT WASN'T, IT WAS LOOKING AT AN ISOLATED LOCATION.

SO IT WASN'T A COMPREHENSIVE NEIGHBORHOOD PRAYING PER SE.

THIRD, IT DID REQUIRE A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.

SO YOU MIGHT HAVE ONES THAT WERE QUALIFIED, BUT IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE AN ACTIVE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, THEY DIDN'T, THEY DID NOT GET TO PARTICIPATE.

AND THEN THERE'S ALWAYS THE POSSIBILITY OF TRYING TO COORDINATE WITH DIFFERENT CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS OR PROJECTS OR WHATEVER.

WE WANT TO BE CAREFUL THAT YOU, IF YOU'RE SPENDING MONEY AND THEN YOU TURN AROUND A YEAR OR TWO LATER AND IN REPLACING ENTIRE STREET OR SOMETHING, AND THAT MONEY BEING KIND OF GOOD MONEY GOING AFTER BAD.

SO THAT'S WHY THAT PROGRAM WAS THIS, THAT THE SIDEWALK PORTION WAS DISCONTINUED AND THEN CDBG FUNDING.

APPARENTLY THERE WERE, THERE WAS $50,000 THAT WAS PROGRAMMED FOR SIDEWALK REPAIRS.

AND WHEN THIS WAS DONE, INITIALLY IT REQUIRED INDIVIDUAL, BUT THIS REQUIRED INDIVIDUAL CLIENT APPLICATIONS AND INVOICES.

SO EVERY PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY, EVEN IF YOU WANT TO GO IN THE NEIGHBOR, EVERY PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY REQUIRED AN APPLICATION, AND IT REQUIRED TO BE INVOICED SEPARATELY.

AND THEN THE FEDERAL FUNDS, IF ANY PROJECT WAS ABOVE $2,000, THEN IT TRIGGERED THE DAVE AND BAY DAVIS BACON WAGE REQUIREMENTS.

SO THAT'S, IF YOU'VE DEALT WITH THAT, THAT'S A, THAT'S A DIFFICULT AND TIME CONSUMING AND ARDUOUS PROCESS TO DO.

THAT'S WHY, WHEN THE CDBG, WHEN WE WERE IN THE STREET PROJECTS, WE DID THEM ALL INTERNALLY BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT TO GET INTO THE BANK AND DAVIS ISSUES.

AND THEN IT TURNS OUT THEN THE WAY THIS WAS WORKING, THE PROGRAM JUST WASN'T FEASIBLE TO ADMINISTER.

AND SO THOSE FUNDS WERE REPROGRAMMED SEVERAL YEARS AGO.

SO NOW NO MONEY ACTUALLY GOT SPENT ON SIDEWALKS AND CDBG FUNDING.

LET'S TELL YOU WHY IN THE BOND PROGRAM AND THE BOND PROGRAM IN THE 2004 BOND PROGRAM, AS OF A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, WE HAD $265,000 LEFT IN THE 2004 BOND PROGRAM.

WE HAVE 5 MILLION THAT WAS APPROVED IN THE 2019 MONTH PROGRAM.

SO WE'VE GOT FIVE POINT LESS THAN $5.3 MILLION.

THE WAY IT WAS PROJECTED IN THE END, THE CS CIP STREAM, THE FUNDING WAS PROJECTED TO BE 900,020 2, 6 68 AND 23, 6 84 AND 24, 7 0 6 AND 25, 7 36 AND 26, AND THEN A MILLION AND A HALF FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE BOND PROGRAM.

AND OF COURSE THE NOT ONLY THIS, THE 50 50 SHARE, BUT ALL THE, ALL THE REPAIRS ALONG ARTERIALS THAT THE CITY, THE CITY DOES THAT THAT'S ALSO FUNDED.

IT'S GOING TO BE FUNDED OUT OF THAT PROGRAM.

SO THAT'S KIND OF A BACKGROUND

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ON WHERE THE FUNDING IS AND WHAT MONEY'S AVAILABLE FOR IT.

SO AT THAT I WOULD ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS, UM, BJ, GO AHEAD.

AND IT SHOULD HAVE A LIVE MIC.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

UM, BUT EVEN AGAINST D WE'D LIKE TO HEAR YOU, DESPITE WHATEVER YOU SAY WE LIKE HEARING FROM YOU.

IT'S GOOD TO HAVE ONE.

YES, YES.

YOUR VOICE HAS SAT ON FOR A LONG TIME, SO GLAD THAT HE SAVED IT.

JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, UM, ON THE PHOTOGRAPHS YOU SHOWED ON.

I THINK THE THIRD SLIDE ON THE, UH, WE HAD PHOTOS OF THE, THE, UH, DENIALS THAT, YEAH.

THEN THAT WAS OKAY.

BUT WHEN, WHEN, WHEN WE NOTIFY YOU, YOU KNOW, AN APPLICANT THAT THEY WERE IN THE NIGHT, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? WHAT DO WE, HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE NOTIFY THEM? AND WHAT'S THE CONTENT OF THAT NOTIFICATION? UH, GENERALLY WE GET, WE GET THOSE AS, AS CALL EITHER EMAIL OR REQUEST GENERALLY, UH, THE, THE, OUR INSPECTOR HAS BEEN CONTACTING THEM IN PERSON AND BY PHONE.

AND JUST EXPLAIN TO THEM THAT YOUR REQUEST DIDN'T MEET THE CRITERIA FOR THE ORDINANCE, THAT FOR THE CITY TO PARTICIPATE.

SO THAT IF FEW, IF YOU WANT TO REPLACE THAT, YOU WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE A HUNDRED PERCENT ON YOUR, THAT THEY'RE AT THEIR COST IF THEY CHOSE TO REPLACE IT.

OKAY.

DO WE PROVIDE THEM WITH THE CRITERIA IN VANCE WHEN THEY FIRST APPLIED? DO WE, DO WE SHARE THE CRITERIA WITH, YOU KNOW, AT THE FRONT END OF THE PROCESS? I BELIEVE THAT'S THE CASE, BUT I, I CANNOT SAY FOR SURE, BUT I WILL GET FROM THAT SPECTRUM.

I CERTAINLY CAN TELL FROM THE SPECTRUM, FIND OUT IF THEY'RE LETTING PEOPLE KNOW.

CAUSE A LOT OF TIMES, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN JUST LOOK AT IT RIGHT AWAY AND SAY IT DOESN'T QUALIFY, BUT THAT'S USUALLY WE'LL GET PHONE CALLS.

AND SO THE INSPECTOR GOES OUT AND LOOKS AT THEM AND THEN RESPONDS.

BUT I THINK ON THE INITIAL PHONE CALL, WHEN THEY CALL IN, WE DO NOT BELIEVE THAT WE ARE GOING THROUGH THE WHOLE CRITERIA.

THAT MEANS IF IT DOESN'T MEET THEM, WE EXPLAINED TO HIM WHY IT DOESN'T MEET.

OH, OKAY.

MADAM, UH, STEVE, COULD YOU FOLLOW UP ON THAT APP? LIKE TO T TO KNOW WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT PROTOCOL FRONT END PROTOCOL LOOKS LIKE? I WILL, I WILL GET WITH ORANGE SPECTRUM, FIND OUT EXACTLY WHAT THEIR PROCESSES.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

UM, NEXT QUESTION.

AND I'VE ONLY GOT ONE MORE.

UM, NOW WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT A SCORING SYSTEM, STRAIGHTS PAYMENTS, ALL, ALTHOUGH THAT WE DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE A SQUOTE SCORING SYSTEM FOR SIDEWALKS, RIGHT? UH, DEWEY.

NO, WE DO NOT.

OKAY.

OKAY.

SO IT'S BASED PRETTY MUCH ON APPEARANCE, RIGHT? YEAH.

WHEN, WHEN, WHEN WE GET, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WHEN WE REPLACE STREETS, WE REPLACE THE SIDEWALKS, BUT WE DON'T, WE DON'T RATE THEM SEPARATELY FROM THE STREETS.

SO WHEN WE DO A RATING FOR THE STREET, IT DOES IT CURRENTLY, IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE SIDEWALKS.

THERE HAS BEEN DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER THAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED, BUT AT NIGHT AT PRESENT, THE SIDEWALKS ARE NOT RATED AS PART OF THE STREET WRITING.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

AND, AND MY LAST QUESTION IS BECAUSE I'VE HAD SEVERAL OF THESE REQUESTS, I'VE HAD PEOPLE CONTACT ME WHO ARE DISABLED, OR HAVE A DIS, A DISABLED PERSON IN THE HOME THAT EASES SIDEWALKS.

HOW DOES SORT OF BRIEFLY DESCRIBED FROM A, HOW TO SET, HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE HANDLE THAT AND ENSURE THAT THEY GET ALL THE BENEFITS BECAUSE THEY HAVE A DIS AS OPPOSED TO WHERE THERE ISN'T A DISABILITY, HOW DO WE, WHAT CONSIDERATIONS, HOW DOES THAT KICK IN? HOW DOES IT PLAY OUT? YOU KNOW, I STARTED CHART.

I UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT HOW DOES THAT, WHEN YOU CALLED AND SAID, I'VE GOT A DISABLED PERSON IN THE HOUSE WHO USES, WHO NEEDS ACCESSIBILITY.

SO HOW DOES, HOW DOES THAT FIT INTO, TO OUR ENTIRE PROTOCOL FOR SIDEWALKS WHEN IT GETS INTO ADA TYPE REQUESTS? HONESTLY, THAT OBVIOUSLY THE RAMPS ARE SOMETHING THAT WE FUND A HUNDRED PERCENT, BUT, UH, GENERALLY, IF THERE IS A REQUEST AND SOMEONE SAYS, I WANT TO GO FROM POINT A TO POINT B AND I CAN'T GET THERE, THEN WE IDENTIFY THE, IDENTIFY, THE ADDRESSES, AND THEN THE ADJACENT ADDRESSES WOULD BE, WOULD BE SENT, NOTIFIED THE SAME.

YES.

YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO, YOU NEED TO REPAIR YOUR SIDEWALK AND THEN THEY, THEY CAN EITHER PARTICIPATE.

OR IF THEY DO NOT CHOOSE TO PARTICIPATE, THEN WE WOULD, WE WOULD LEAN THOSE PROPERTIES, BUT PLACE A LIEN ON THE PROPERTY, IF THEY DO NOT, IF THEY'VE BEEN, IF THEY'VE BEEN NOTIFIED THAT THERE'S AN ADA REASON THAT THEY NEED TO REPLACE HER SIDEWALK.

OKAY.

AND THAT LAST SEAT, MADAM CHAIR, UM, I KNOW CAUSE YOU RESPONDED AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR STEVE.

YOU RESPONDED TO SEVERAL REQUESTS IN MY DISTRICT WHERE SOMEONE WANTED TO GET FROM POINT A TO POINT B, BUT, BUT BECAUSE OF THE CONDITIONS, THE SIDEWALK, NOT NECESSARILY IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE, BUT IN ORDER

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FOR THEM TO GET TO POINT A POINT TO POINT B WHEELCHAIR, WALK US, AND WE WOULD DRESS THAT IT'S NOT IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE, BUT IT'S, IT'S A PART OF THE TRANSIT PATH.

SO WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR, FOR THAT.

I THINK YOU'VE DONE SOMETHING REALLY APPRECIATED.

I MEAN, HOW DOES THAT PLAY? THE ADA AND THE ADA REQUESTS ARE FUNNELED THROUGH A DIFFERENT, ARE NOT FUNNELED DIRECTLY THROUGH US OR FUNNELED THROUGH ENGINEERING, BUT WE DO, WE DO COORDINATE WITH THEM.

AND THEN, AND THEN THAT BRINGS A LOT OF TH TH THIS IS ISSUES THAT WE HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH, WITH TONY'S OFFICE OF, IF LET'S SAY THERE'S A REQUEST, BUT MAYBE THE STREET'S SCHEDULED FOR REPLACEMENT, YOU KNOW, DOWN THE FUTURE.

WHAT, WHAT'S THE TIMEFRAME? WHAT ARE THE LEGITIMATE TIMEFRAMES? THAT'S AN ISSUE WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH WITH ATTORNEY'S OFFICE OF, OF WHAT KIND OF TIMEFRAME THAT YOU'VE GOT, THAT YOU CAN, YOU CAN ADDRESS THESE ISSUE.

CAUSE OBVIOUSLY WITH AN ADA REQUEST, WE HAVE TO BE RESPONSIVE, UH, ON THOSE REQUESTS.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

MADAM CHAIR, COUNCILMAN JARED, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH.

YOU DON'T HAVE NO MORE QUESTIONS.

I'M DONE.

I'M JUST KIDDING WITH YOU.

THANK YOU.

YOU ALWAYS SAY I GOT TWO QUESTIONS.

YOU SAY THREE OR FOUR.

I'M JUST JOKING WITH YOU.

OKAY.

I DON'T LIKE TO HEAR MYSELF TALK SEVERAL TIMES, SO I'LL PUT IT OUT IN ONE BAG, JOEY, ON THIS.

UM, WHAT IS THE THIRD PAGE? YEAH, GO TO THE THIRD PAGE.

YEAH.

THAT ONE RIGHT THERE.

YOU SEE THAT TREE GROWING UP AND BREAKING THE SIDEWALK.

YES.

LIFTING IT UP.

UM, AND IT'S ON THE SIGHT LINE OF THIS HOUSE, NOT IN THE FRONT, IT'S A ON BOBBY COURT, AS YOU GO IN, IT'S ON THE RIGHT NEXT TO THE DRIVEWAY.

AND THIS PEOPLE IN, IN IS VERY BAD.

AND, UH, THE PEOPLE ON THE CIRCLE WHERE THEY WALK AND THEY WERE CONCERNED WHO COULD GO, HOW CAN THEY FIX THAT? AND IT, THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE, THEY JUST SOLD THE HOUSE AND MOVED AWAY.

AND THE GUY THAT BOUGHT IT IS A WHAT'D HE CALL LANDLORD, RAN HOUSES THAT JUST BOUGHT IT AND MOVE IN THERE.

HOW CAN WE FIX THAT SIDEWALK? UM, COUNTY AND DEREK, CAN WE, CAN WE TAKE THAT AFTER THE MEETING? AND HAVE YOU DISCUSSED THAT PARTICULAR? YEAH.

IF YOU'VE GOT A SPECIFIC LOCATION, WE CAN CERTAINLY TALK ABOUT THAT OFFLINE.

WE'RE HAPPY TO, THAT'S FINE.

THAT'S FINE.

BECAUSE WHAT'S ON ACTUALLY ON OUR AGENDA IS ABOUT THE FUNDING AND THE PROGRAM.

IT'S NOT.

AND SO TRYING TO KIND OF, KIND OF DRAW THINGS IN POLICY, INTERNAL POLICY FOR HOW, UM, HOW STREETS WOULD HANDLE THIS IN DIFFERENT SCENARIOS IS IT'S KIND OF, UM, OUTSIDE OF WHAT WE'RE GOING FOR HERE.

I, I WILL SAY JUST AS FAR AS I'M TRYING TO TELL PEOPLE IN ADVANCE, UM, ABOUT DISQUALIFICATIONS, I WOULD JUST LOVE TO HEAR YOU TRY TO EXPLAIN THAT OVER THE PHONE SPALLING WHAT'S FALLING IS AND WHAT THE SEPARATE, I, THIS IS ONE THING I THINK REALLY YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE TO EITHER HAVE A PICTURE FOR PEOPLE OR POINT TO THEIR SIDEWALK TO, TO EXPLAIN THAT WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S THE POINT IS SOME OF THESE THINGS IT REALLY WOULD HAVE TO, YOU'D HAVE TO GET OUT AND, AND SAY, THIS IS WHY IT DOESN'T QUALIFY.

THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE VERY GOOD AT, IT LOOKS, I DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE A SIDEWALK.

I HAVE A DITCH, BUT THAT LOOKS LIKE SIDEWALKS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, STEVE, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, JUST FOR, UM, ANYBODY WHO MAY LISTEN TO THIS LATER, CAN YOU PLEASE DESCRIBE WHAT TYPE F AND TYPE G STREETS ACTUALLY ARE? HOW ABOUT OFTENTIMES G OR THE RESIDENTIAL, THE ONES THAT ARE RESIDENTIAL IN NATURE THAT DO NOT SERVE AS ANYTHING OTHER THAN SERVING THE LOCAL RESIDENTS OF THOSE STREETS? IS THERE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TYPE F AND TYPE G? I THINK IT'S THE WIDTH, IT'S THE WIDTH OF THE STREETS.

I MEAN, THE RESIDENTIAL, SOME OF THEM ARE A LITTLE WIDER RESIDENTIAL STREETS IN THE, I THINK THEY HAVE SORT A LITTLE WIDER THAN A G, BUT THEY'RE ALL STILL RESIDENTIAL IN NATURE.

OKAY.

UM, AND JUST AS A, AS AN OFFSHOOT OF THIS, THE, THE THREE AND A HALF PERCENT, UM, INTERESTS THAT WE CHARGE WHEN WE DO THE EXTENDED PAYMENTS IS THAT, UM, AND YOU, YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, IS THAT A STANDARD, UM, UM, INTEREST THAT WE CHARGED CITY-WIDE ON? ANYTHING WE DO IS THAT, IS THAT, IS CORY HERE.

OKAY.

IF, IS THAT, IS THAT A STANDARD, UM, PERCENTAGE THAT WE USE, OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S SPECIFIC FOR THIS PROGRAM WITH STREETS WHERE WE, UM, BASICALLY ALLOW PEOPLE TO DO EXTENDED PAYMENTS?

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IT'S UH, WELL, WE RECEIVED THAT RIGHT FROM FINANCE, UH, BASED ON THE BONDS.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

WELL, YEAH, AND REALLY IT'S FINANCE AND I DON'T KNOW.

WELL, I MEAN, LIKE HE SAID, IT WAS AT THE THREE AND A HALF PERCENT WAS WHAT MATT, MATT WATSON PROVIDED TO US AS THE CURRENT RATE.

I'M TRYING TO SEE IF I CAN TURN YOU ON.

ALL RIGHT, RIGHT ON.

I THINK THERE'S, NO, I DON'T THINK I EVEN HAVE A, A PO YEAH, COME UP HERE AND EVERYBODY BE QUIET ON THE G IF I NEED, I NEED A DEVIL, I NEED A GAVEL AND I CAN HIT SOMEBODY WITH IT.

HE WAS ALL RIGHT.

GO FOR IT.

NOW THAT YOU'RE UP HERE.

UM, IT'S BASED WHAT COREY SAID WAS IT'S BASED ON THE BOND RATE, UM, THE THREE AND A HALF, IT'S NOT A STANDARD PERCENTAGE ACROSS THE BOARD ON THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE HAVE PERCENTAGES ON.

THERE ARE OTHER PROGRAMS WHERE WE HAVE HIGHER AND LOWER PERCENTAGES, PARTICULAR ONES ON THE BOND RATE.

SO MY QUESTION WAS BASICALLY A AT ITS HEART, IS THIS, IS THIS AN AREA OF FLEXIBILITY OR IS THIS AN AREA THAT IS NOT FLEXIBLE? WHAT WE CHOSE? I WOULD THINK IT WOULD NOT BE FLEXIBLE, UM, JUST BECAUSE OF THE BOND ISSUE.

OKAY.

JUST LOOKING AT ALL THE DOLLARS AND CENTS AND HOW IT ENDS UP COMING TO THE CITIZENS.

THAT WAS JUST A QUESTION THAT CAME TO MY MIND.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

UM, ALL RIGHT.

AND STEVE, DID YOU WITH SIDEWALKS, DO YOU HAVE A STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR WHAT A, UM, WHAT POTENTIALLY WE COULD DO WITH A PROGRAM TO MAKE THIS, UM, MOST WORKABLE? DID YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC SUGGESTIONS THAT YOU LIKED? NAH, MAN.

I THINK WHAT WE BROUGHT TO YOU WAS WHAT OPTIONS, BUT I MEAN, UH, WHATEVER WHATEVER'S OUT THERE, WE, WE CAN IMP WHATEVER YOU CHOOSE WE CAN IMPLEMENT.

I MEAN, IT'S, UH, LIKE I SAID, WE DO REALIZE THAT IF, IF YOU DO GO TO A HUNDRED PERCENT FUNDED, THEN WE ANTICIPATE THAT THOSE REQUESTS WOULD PROBABLY SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASE.

RIGHT.

AND IF WE DID A HUNDRED PERCENT FUNDED, UM, BY US, THEN THAT WOULD HAVE, WE WOULD STILL HAVE THE SAME LIMIT, WHATEVER LIMIT WE HAVE NOW, IT WOULD JUST BE FIRST COME FIRST SERVE UNTIL IT'S GONE.

YES.

AND THE THING THAT YOU SAID THAT CAUGHT MY EAR, AS YOU SAID, THAT, UM, YOUR STAFF FOR THE SIDEWALK, INSPECTIONS AND REPAIRS AND EVERYTHING WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO INCREASE BECAUSE OF AN ANTICIPATED INCREASE IN THE USE OF THIS PROGRAM, IS THAT YOU THINK THAT THERE'S A GOOD LIKELIHOOD THAT IF, IF, IF WE, IF WE WENT TO 0% CITIZENS SHARE THAT THE REQUEST WOULD INCREASE SUCH THAT THERE'S, IT'S QUITE LIKELY WE MIGHT NEED A SECOND INSPECTOR FOR SIDEWALKS.

I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE'D HAVE TO KIND OF LOOK AT AS THE REQUEST CAME IN, BUT WE THINK THERE'S A DISTINCT POSSIBILITY THAT COULD HAPPEN.

OKAY.

AND, UM, YOUR INFORMATION ABOUT CDBG, OBVIOUSLY, I WOULDN'T WANT TO TOUCH TRYING TO GET INTO ACTUALLY USING CDBG FUNDS.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT INITIALLY WAS CARVING OUT, UM, THE, THE NO COST SIDEWALK REPAIRS FOR, FOR CDBG AREAS.

BUT I BELIEVE IT WAS, UM, MIGHT'VE BEEN JUDD WHO HAD SUGGESTED WE HAVE ENOUGH OVER $5 MILLION, CORRECT.

IN A SIDEWALK THAT'S CORRECT.

UM, FUND RIGHT NOW THAT WE MIGHT JUST WANT TO, UM, JUST SAY FIRST, COME FIRST SERVE, UM, AND NOT PUT EXTRA AREA RULES, MAKING SOME CITIZENS, GET THEM FREE AND OTHERS NOT.

OKAY.

SO I, I SEE A NODDING AND THEN SHAKING.

SO I'M GOING TO ACKNOWLEDGE I'M BJ HERE TO SPEAK.

UM, OKAY.

I THINK WE DO CAUSE WE GET INTO THINGS THAT MAKE THEM FOLKS CHOOSE.

AND SOME CITIZENS, I THINK THAT THE FONZ IS BLANKET.

I LIKE THE FIRST COME FIRST SAY, SO I WAS, I WAS IN AGREEMENT WITH YOUR, WITH YOUR COMMENT THAT WE GET INTO WEEDS LIKE THAT IT CREATES BOTTLENECKS FOR YOU AND YOUR TEAM STAY AND ALL THIS, AND AS WELL AS SOME, SOME PR ISSUES OUT THERE.

SO I'M JUST AGREEING WITH YOUR MANAGER HERE.

IF HE WASN'T A HUNDRED PERCENT, THEN THAT WOULD, IT WOULD STREAMLINE THE PROCESS.

CAUSE IT WOULDN'T, WE WOULD NO LONGER HAVE TO GO THROUGH CUSTOMER SERVICE, ASKING THE RESIDENTS, WE JUST NEED TO QUALIFIES OR DOESN'T QUALIFY AND WE REPAIR IT OR WE DON'T REPAIR IT.

UH, I AM PERSONALLY LIKING THAT.

UM, AND COMMITTEE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS SEVERAL TIMES.

UM, MR. BARRETT, DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION? NOT RIGHT NOW.

OKAY.

I'M THINKING ABOUT IT.

OKAY.

UM, ALL RIGHT.

SO IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE WE HAVEN'T, UM, ONE OPTION THAT SEEMS TO BE RISING TO THE SURFACE AS BEING A POTENTIALLY VIABLE AND MANAGEABLE, ALTHOUGH IT MAY END UP EVENTUALLY MEANING THAT STEVE NEEDS ANOTHER INSPECTOR, WHICH WE'LL CROSS THAT BRIDGE

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WHEN WE COME TO IT.

BUT JUST BASICALLY, UH, SAYING WE'VE GOT A POT OF MONEY FOR SIDEWALK REPAIRS.

UM, THE PROGRAM RIGHT NOW IS, HAS BEEN, HAD ENOUGH OBSTACLES PUT IN THE WAY OF CITIZENS WHO CALL IN A LOT OF THEM.

FINANCIAL OBSTACLES FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE CANNOT AFFORD TO GET THEIR SIDEWALK FIXED.

SO IF WE JUST TAKE THAT OUT AND SAY, THE EXPENSE WILL BE ON US AND IT'S FIRST COME FIRST SERVE FOR QUALIFIED SIDEWALKS, AND THIS WOULD BE CITYWIDE, UM, THAT APPEARS TO BE AT LEAST A, A VIABLE, UM, OPTION.

UH, JED, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT OR CONCERNS ADDITIONAL CONCERNS? I WOULD OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD REQUIRE REWRITING OF THE ORDINANCE THEN IT WOULD.

UM, SO THE, UM, A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS, ONE, ONE QUESTION THAT WE, WE DIDN'T ANSWER YET, BUT NEED TO FOLLOW UP ON IS, UH, WE SORTA GOT INTO, WE HAVE THIS BACKLOG OF REQUESTS.

DO WE HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO FULFILL THOSE? AND I THINK BASED ON WHAT YOU SHOWED IN THE INITIAL SLIDES, WE'VE GOT ENOUGH TO FUND THOSE REQUESTS BECAUSE A LOT OF THEM JUST DON'T PAN OUT EITHER THEY DON'T QUALIFY OR THEY JUST, ONCE THEY GET THE BILL, THEY DON'T WANT TO, THEY DON'T WANT TO GO FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT.

UM, IN TERMS OF JUST KIND OF WIPING OUT THE PARTICIPANT OR IF I UNDERSTAND THE COMMITTEE, CORRECT.

DO YOU GUYS WANT TO JUST WIPE OUT THE CITIZEN PARTICIPATION PART OF THIS? SO IT WOULD BE A HUNDRED PERCENT CITY FUNDED.

UM, CERTAINLY CAN DO THAT FIRST COME FIRST SERVE.

I THINK THE MONEY WOULD GO PRETTY QUICK.

UM, THE, SO I GUESS IT WOULD JUST GET RID OF THE OTHER DISCOUNTS THAT WE GET AS WELL.

IT WOULD JUST BE, WE'RE PAYING FOR IT ALL AND WELL, OTHERWISE WE'D HAVE TO START PAYING THE CITIZENS TO ALLOW US TO FIX THEIR SIDEWALKS.

THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE PROBLEMATIC.

RIGHT.

WELL, OKAY.

YEAH.

YEAH, NO, I WAS THINKING THAT THE ONLY THOUGHT I HAD WAS WE HAVE SORT OF DISCOUNTS SET UP NOW, UH, THAT, THAT, UH, IF YOU QUALIFY, YOU GET ADDITIONAL PARTICIPATION BY THE CITY, UM, IN, IN SUCH CASES THAT THEY GET MAYBE UP TO THAT 90% CASE.

I'M JUST, I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT, BECAUSE I DO THINK WE'LL SEE A SLEW OF APPLICANTS IF THIS HAPPENS.

UM, AND A LOT OF THEM PROBABLY AREN'T GOING TO QUALIFY JUST BECAUSE WE, IF IT DOESN'T NEED FIXING, WE'RE NOT GOING TO FIX IT.

UM, IF, IF THERE'S A WAY TO VET OUT, UM, THOSE THAT REALLY NEED THE HELP THEY WOULD QUALIFY FOR ALL THREE, UM, DISCOUNTS.

AND THEN MAYBE WE MAKE UP THAT LAST 10%.

UM, I DUNNO, IT'S REALLY A, YOU HATE TO DO THIS CAUSE YOU GET INTO PICKING AND CHOOSING AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR IT.

JUST DO IT FIRST, COME FIRST SERVE.

SO ANYWAY, JUST TALKING THROUGH AND THINKING THROUGH WHAT, WHAT THE COMMITTEE IS LOOKING AT HERE.

I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THE SIMPLEST IS WE USE THE MONEY, WE'VE GOT, IT WAS APPROVED IN THE BOND PROGRAM AND ONCE IT'S GONE, IT'S GONE AND WE MOVE ON DOWN THE ROAD.

UM, NO, IT'S REALLY, REALLY A COUNCIL'S DISCRETION.

IF YOU WANT TO STRUCTURE THE PROGRAM THAT WAY.

UM, STEVE REAL QUICK, GO BACK TO THE SLIDE WHERE YOU SHOW THE FUNDING FOR THE NEXT FEW YEARS.

UM, I WANT TO, I WANT TO CLARIFY THAT, UH, EACH ANNUAL ALLOCATION IS, IS REALLY HALF OF THAT IS AVAILABLE FOR THE, THE SHARE PROGRAM, RIGHT? IS THAT RIGHT? STEVE AND THE OTHER HALF IS FOR, UM, OTHER NEW SIDEWALK PARTICIPATION.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR.

IS THAT RIGHT? OKAY.

UH, MICHAEL IS, IS, IS THE SIDEWALKS, THE FILLING IN THE BLANK SIDEWALKS? IS THAT A PART OF THIS FUNDING? THAT'S A, THAT'S A SEPARATE BOND.

OKAY.

THERE WAS A SEPARATE BOND FOR FIT, FULFILLING FILLING IN THE BLANKS.

THIS IS JUST FOR PARTICIPATION ONLY.

SO THEORETICALLY, OBVIOUSLY THAT PARTICIPATION, IF YOU, IF YOU STILL CAN TAKE THE PARTICIPATION PART, THEN THERE'S, THAT WOULD BE THE CITY SHARE OF THE FUNDS THAT ARE AVAILABLE.

OKAY.

JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE.

SO IT WOULD STILL BE LIMITED PER YEAR.

WE WOULDN'T SAY, OKAY, WE'VE GOT $5 MILLION FIRST COME FIRST SERVE.

AND THAT'S ALL BECAUSE IT WOULD KILL YOU AMONG OTHER THINGS.

WE CAN'T DO 5 MILLION AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE WAY IT'S STRUCTURED FROM THE FUNDING STANDPOINT, FROM THE BOND, UH, FROM BUDGET AND SET UP THE FUNDING STRING ON THE, ON THAT FUNDING.

SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE, I THINK WE WOULD BE LIMITED WHEN WE RAN OUT OF MONEY IN ANY PARTICULAR YEAR, WE WILL STILL TAKE REQUESTS AND THEN WE'LL START UP AGAIN.

WHEN THE FUNDING BECOMES AVAILABLE, WE DO THAT WITH MANY DEPARTMENTS AND MANY PROGRAMS. SO PEOPLE ARE GENERALLY USED TO THAT AND THAT WOULD ALSO MEET HER THE WORK SOMEWHAT TO KEEP IT MORE SANE.

OKAY.

I MEAN, YOU, YOU GO TO FULL CITY PARTICIPATION.

I THINK YOU'LL MOVE THAT MONEY A LOT QUICKER THAN IT, THAN IT HAS IN THE PAST.

UM, AGAIN, NOT, WE DO NEED TO THINK THROUGH THE STAFF IMPACT AND WHETHER THERE'S SOME HELP THERE AND MAYBE WE'LL USE SOME OF THE FUNDS TO HELP WITH THAT.

BUT, UM, YOU KNOW,

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JUST LOOKING AT THE, UH, WHAT REQUESTS ARE OUTSTANDING AND IF WE'VE GOTTEN, WE'LL SAY, YOU KNOW, 183 REQUESTS SINCE 2020, YOU DO THE MATH THERE.

AND, UM, IT'S GOING TO BE TOUGH AT OUR CURRENT PACE TO EAT UP ALL THIS MONEY OVER THESE, THIS NUMBER OF YEARS.

UH, SO IF YOU WANT TO ACCELERATE IT, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S CERTAINLY WHAT ACCELERATED YEAH, GO AHEAD.

YEAH.

THANKS.

THANKS JET.

HUH? HE'S HIDING BACK THERE WITH MICHAEL.

UH, OH, CAN YOU, UH, UM, WE DON'T KNOW.

WE DON'T KNOW.

UH, DO WE, WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY WE'RE NOT QUALIFIED FOR, FOR COST REASONS.

DO WE STEVE OR MICHAEL, THE IMPACT FINANCIAL, DO WE HAVE, WE DON'T TRACK THAT KIND OF INFORMATION? DO WE, MICHAEL? THE IMPACT? YEAH.

TH THE NUMBER OF NUMBER OF APPLICATIONS THAT REQUESTS THAT WERE NOT, UH, UH, THEY WERE NOT FUNDED BECAUSE HE DIDN'T QUALIFY.

UH, WE, WE HAVE A HISTORY OF THAT.

YES.

NOW, AGAIN, AS FAR AS MEASURING THE SIDEWALKS AND A TOTAL COST, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T QUALIFY, WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY PUT THAT NUMBER TO, TO ANYTHING AS FAR AS, AS, AS AGAIN, OUR INSPECTOR DIDN'T ACTUALLY MEASURE THE SIDEWALK IN THAT CASE, IF IT DOESN'T QUALIFY, WE DON'T, WE DON'T DO THE MEASURE UP AND WE JUST SAY IT.

SO THERE'S NOT A DOLLAR VALUE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

WHAT I'M S I'M KIND OF ASKING YOU TO SPECULATE, BUT WHAT PERCENTAGE WOULD YOU SAY OF THE WHOLE THAT MIGHT BE BASED ON NEW YORK, YOUR EXPERTISE? I HAD SOME INFORMATION FROM PAST HISTORY THAT WE DID A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, AND WE WERE WORKING WITH, UM, I THINK AT THAT TIME IT WAS A DEVELOPMENT SERVICES COMMITTEE AND IT VARIED FROM YEAR TO YEAR, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT PROBABLY ABOUT 45%, MAYBE 50% DID NOT PARTICIPATE OR, OR DIDN'T QUALIFY.

EXCUSE ME.

THEY DIDN'T QUALIFY.

OKAY.

OKAY.

ONCE, ONCE THEY FOUND OUT FROM A FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE, RIGHT.

OR, OR, OR, OR, OR DIDN'T ACTUALLY QUALIFY FOR THE CORRECT, BUT 45%, PROBABLY ABOUT 40, 45%.

YES, SIR.

WELL, BY, BASED ON OUR REQUIREMENT OR REQUESTS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED FOR FAR, WHAT, THAT'S PROBABLY 60 TO 65% QUALIFIED.

IT LOOKS LIKE OF THE CALLS THAT WE GOT.

OKAY.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

OKAY.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND ONE ON MICHAEL, W YOU'RE YOU'VE HEARD THE DISCUSSION.

YOU CAN SEE IF WE GO WITH 1% CITY SPONSORSHIP, NOT HAVING TO VET APPLICANTS.

WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHTS ON MICHAEL? UH, IT WOULD, IT WOULD DEFINITELY BE AN UPTICK IN, IN WORK, AS FAR AS WHAT STEVE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE INSPECTOR AND GOING OUT AND MEASURING AND, AND, UH, AGAIN IS, AS JED WAS MENTIONING, THE, THE FUNDS WILL ACTUALLY BE DEPLETED RELATIVELY QUICKLY.

I WOULD HONESTLY BELIEVE IN, I DON'T KNOW, AS FAR AS, UM, WHAT THIS NEW CONTRACT THAT STEVE HAS HA PUTTING ALL THAT TOGETHER AND STRATEGICALLY PLANNING IT AND TRYING TO GET THE BEST PRICE FOR THE CITY IN, IN PUTTING SOME OF THESE SIDEWALKS TOGETHER, THERE WOULD BE SOME EXTRA WORK TO PUT ALL THIS TOGETHER TO GET THE BEST CAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO MAKE THE MONEY GO AS FAR AS WE CAN.

SO, YEAH, THE, THE MONEY I'M ASSUMING IS IN YOUR CONTRACT IS VARIABLE FROM SO MANY SQUARE YARDS OF SO MANY SQUARE YARDS.

SO YOU'D WANT TO MAXIMIZE THAT TO GET THE, THE, THE LOWEST DOLLAR AMOUNT.

SO YOU'D PROBABLY TALK TO THE CONTRACTOR AND TRY TO PIECE A NUMBER OF THEM TOGETHER TO GET THE BEST COST AND THE LOWEST COST FOR THE CITY, SO THAT, SO THAT YOU CAN MAKE THE EXTEND THE FUNDS TO GO FURTHER, BUT THAT DOES TAKE TIME.

AND THEN AS NEW INQUIRIES COME IN, THEY MAY BE IN THE SAME AREA.

AND THEN IT'LL BE A COORDINATION ISSUE TO AT FIRST, TRY TO COORDINATE ALL OF THAT AND PUT IT ALL TOGETHER BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE NOT PREPARED FOR IT THIS TIME, BUT WE'D HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW IT'S ALL GOING TO COME TOGETHER.

OKAY.

AND THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING WITH IT FROM A TIMING STANDPOINT, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE IDEA, RIGHT? WHAT TIMING, YOU KNOW, FOR YOUR TEAM AND FOR STEVE'S TEAM, RIGHT? WHAT KIND OF PREPARATION WITH THIS CHANGE THAT WILL TAKE FOR YOUR TEAM TO, TO IMPLEMENT THE KIND OF THING? SO WHAT KIND OF, WHAT KIND OF TOWN WOULD YOU THINK WOULD BE LOOKED AT MICHAEL WITH OUR PAST EXPERIENCE? IT WILL TAKE A NUMBER OF MONTHS TO TRY TO COORDINATE ALL THAT AND PUT ALL THAT TOGETHER.

AGAIN, IT'S TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE W AND SPECULATE HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COME THROUGH AS SOON AS THIS GETS ADVERTISED AND GETS OUT THERE.

RIGHT.

THEY'RE JUST KIND OF LIKE WHEN WE CHANGED THE ORDINANCE AND THAT WE HAD ALL THESE REDUCTIONS, WHEN WE FIRST ADVERTISE IT, THERE WAS A HUGE INFLUX OF PEOPLE CALLING THEM, WANTING TO SIDEWALK, WENT INSIDE, WALKING IN, AGAIN, SOME, SOME

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QUANTIFIED, SOME DIDN'T, AND THEN THE ONES THAT DID QUALIFY, UM, WE GOT THEM ON THE LIST AND THERE WAS A HUGE UPTICK FOR ABOUT SIX MONTHS, I GUESS, FROM WHAT I REMEMBER.

AND THEN OF COURSE, AS WE GOT, AS WE GOT CLOSER TO THE HOLIDAYS AND EVERYTHING IT'S SLOWER SLOWED DOWN.

AND THEN WHEN IT WAS NOT AS ADVERTISED AS MUCH ON THE CITY WEBSITE, IT KIND OF, IT KIND OF REACHED AN EQUILIBRIUM WHERE WE GET THE NUMBER OF CALLS.

AND AGAIN, STEVE HAD ALL THE CALLS US LAST YEAR GOING TO HIS GROUP.

AND, AND THAT WAS ABOUT AVERAGE.

I THINK OF WHAT WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST, BUT FOR AWHILE, THERE, THERE WAS ABOUT A SIX MONTH SPAN WHERE WE REALLY PEAKED.

AND, UM, BUT AGAIN, WHEN IT'S FREE, I THINK THAT PEAK IS GOING TO BE EVEN A BIGGER VARIABLE THERE.

THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT MORE THAN WHAT WE ANTICIPATE.

AND I THINK THAT THAT WOULD STIMULATE, YES, IT'S GOING TO STIMULATE PEOPLE CALLING IN ABOUT THEIR SIDEWALK BECAUSE AS, AS YOU COUNCIL MEMBERS, IF THAT GETS CHANGED, WHEN YOU TALK TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS, YOU'RE GOING TO BE TELLING THEM ABOUT THE PROGRAM.

AND IT'S AN, AND IT'S AN ADVANTAGE TO THEM.

SO I HAVE A FEELING THERE'S GOING TO BE A LARGE UPSWING IN THE NUMBER NOW, HOW LONG THE FUNDS WILL LAST.

THAT'S ONLY TO BE SEEN WITH HOW MANY REQUESTS COME IN.

AND THAT'S KIND OF A TWO-PRONG THING ON THAT.

NOT ONLY ARE THERE MORE THAT WE HAVE TO GO OUT AND INVESTIGATE, THEN IT'S A LOT MORE SIDEWALK LOCATIONS THAT ARE INSPECTORS HAVING TO INSPECT AS THEY'RE, AS THEY'RE BEING REPLACED.

SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY GONNA INCREASE THE WORKLOAD FOR THE INSPECTOR STAFF.

ARE YOU DONE BETWEEN, UM, THANK YOU, STEVE.

UM, SO I DO KNOW FROM SOME OF OUR PREVIOUS MEETINGS THAT THE, UM, WE RAN INTO, WE, WE KIND OF HAD A, ABOUT A YEAR WHERE WE HAD A LOT OF REQUESTS, BUT THEY WEREN'T GETTING IMPLEMENTED BECAUSE OF VARIOUS THINGS.

I MEAN, THE PANDEMIC, THE, THE NEW CHANGE IN HOW FINANCES WERE HANDLED.

SO WE BASICALLY LOST A YEAR IN, IN RESPONDING TO THE REQUESTS.

SO WE'RE, WE'RE DEALING RIGHT NOW WITH THE BACKLOG, AND I KNOW YOU'RE MAKING GOOD PROGRESS ON THAT.

UM, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT'S GOING TO BE BEFORE.

WE KIND OF LIKE CA CATCH BACK UP WHERE WE'RE DEALING WITH THEM MORE REAL TIME, BUT, UM, ANYTHING THAT WOULD CAUSE, UM, AND THIS WOULD CAUSE AN UPTICK IN REQUESTS, CERTAINLY.

UM, AND THERE ARE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED THAT YOU COULD, YOU COULD REDUCE THAT BY SAYING IT'S ONLY CDBG AREAS THAT WE'LL GET THIS SPECIAL DEAL.

UM, AND I THINK WE'VE KIND OF BEEN AROUND THAT CIRCLE SEVERAL TIMES AND SAID THAT'S, UM, THAT WOULD PROBABLY HAVE UNFORTUNATE, UM, CONSEQUENCES.

SO WHAT, WHAT I WOULD LIKE IS TO, UM, HAVE YOU ALL GO BACK AND KIND OF TAKE YOUR TIME AND REVIEW, UH, THIS PARTICULAR SCENARIO THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED AND EXACTLY, AND HAVE TIME TO REALLY FULLY THINK ABOUT IT, WHAT THE STAFF IMPLICATIONS WOULD BE, UM, AND BE ABLE TO COME BACK TO US NEXT MONTH AND REPORT BACK ABOUT THE REALITY OF HOW YOU WOULD SEE THIS.

IF WE WERE TO GO THIS PARTICULAR ROUTE AND HAVE IT BE NO COST, HOW YOU WOULD SEE THAT ACTUALLY WORKING OUT FEET ON THE GROUND, UM, BECAUSE THAT MAY NOT BE PRACTICAL.

UM, BUT IT WOULD BE, I THINK, I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE SEEN THAT IT'S, IT'S AT LEAST AN INTRIGUING IDEA.

UM, COUNCILMAN ALBAN HAS JOINED US.

YES, SIR.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

MADAM CHAIR.

I JUST WANTED TO, I HAD PLANNED NOT TO SAY ANYTHING, BUT I WANTED TO JUST GIVE A LITTLE BACKGROUND FOR THE COMMITTEE TO CONSIDER AS THEY GO THROUGH THIS.

UM, AS CHAIR OF THE TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE MOBILITY COMMITTEE.

AND WE, THE, THE, THE PROGRAM THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AMENDING NOW WAS CAME THROUGH MY COMMITTEE ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, WE DISCUSSED THIS EXTENSIVELY.

UM, AND IF IT'S IT, AND AT THAT TIME AS WE CAME OUT OF IT, UM, I HAD MENTIONED THAT, THAT I WOULD HOPE THAT SOMEDAY GO TO A 100% FUNDING MODEL.

SO I'M VERY HAPPY TO SEE Y'ALL CONSIDERING THAT.

UH, BUT, UH, A FEW ITEMS OF CONSIDERATION ON THAT, THAT THERE WAS PUSHBACK FROM THE COUNCIL AT THAT TIME, JUST GENERALLY ON THAT CONCEPT WITH THE IDEA THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THIS LONG BEEN THIS CONSIDERATION OF OUR SIDEWALKS AND AMENITY, OR ARE THEY A NECESSITY? ARE THEY TRANSPORTATION? AND THEY'VE LONG BEEN CONSIDERED AMENITY, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE AT THE 50 50.

AND I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT THE MORE IS STARTING TO LOOK AT THEM MORE AS A MOBILITY PIECE, WHICH I THINK IS GREAT.

UM, BUT THERE WAS, THERE WAS STILL SOME PUSHBACK ON THE SENSE OF THERE'S STILL SOME ASPECT OF THIS IS A, IS AN AMENITY AND THAT THAT SIDEWALKS ARE,

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AND I THINK THIS GETS TO WHAT, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER VIERRA MENTIONED EARLIER, SIDEWALKS ARE MORE SUSCEPTIBLE AND, UH, TO THE CARE THAT NEIGHBORS TAKE OF THEIR PROPERTIES, IF SOMEBODY PLANTS A TREE NEXT TO A SIDEWALK, OR SOMEBODY DOES SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO THERE WAS A CONCEPT OF WHAT, THE 10% THAT WE LEFT THERE OF FOLKS HAVING SOME LEVEL OF SKIN IN THE GAME, AND THAT IF THERE WAS SOME TRUE NEED THAT, THAT WE COULD FIND SOME WAY TO FUND THAT REMAINING 10%.

SO JUST SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND FOR THE COMMITTEE, AS YOU GUYS GO FORWARD AND PROCESS THIS, THE OTHER PIECE OF IT IS I WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE YOU NOT TO DO A FIRST COME FIRST SERVE.

ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE DID NOT DO FIRST COME.

ONE OF THE REASONS WE LOOKED AT THE PROGRAM AT ALL WAS BECAUSE SO MUCH OF THE MONEY WAS GOING TO AREAS THAT DIDN'T, THAT THAT DIDN'T HAVE AS MUCH NEED.

AND, AND THAT'S MY CONCERN IS THAT IT'S THE PEOPLE WHO ARE THE MOST ATTUNED AND THE MOST CONNECTED TO WHAT GOES ON HERE ARE THE FIRST ONES WHO ARE GOING TO JUMP IN AND GRAB THAT POT OF MONEY.

AND ON THE ONE HAND, YOU SAY, WELL, FIRST COME FIRST SERVE, BUT PEOPLE ARE MORE IMPOVERISHED AREAS MAY NOT HAVE THE TIME OR THE TECH TO PAY AS MUCH ATTENTION OR TO BE AS AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.

AND THOSE ARE THE AREAS.

AND THAT'S WHY WE CHOSE TO, TO RATE CDBG AREAS, TO ALLOW AN ADDITIONAL PERCENTAGE AND OTHER STUFF, BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE AREAS WHERE PEOPLE ARE MOST LIKELY TO BE USING THOSE AS MOBILITY, EITHER, WHETHER IT'S TRACKS YOUR SIZE OR TO GET TO A PARK OR TO GET TO WORK.

AND SO THE IDEA OF, OF, OF GOING COMPLETELY THROUGH FIRST COME FIRST SERVE.

AND IT'S JUST THE SAME IDEA THAT I HAVE ABOUT, I FEEL SIMILARLY, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, EVERY YEAR WE DO THE HOME IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM AND BOOM, THE MONEY GOES LIKE THAT WHILE YOU START RAISING THE, THE VALUES ON THAT.

AND THEN THE NEXT THING, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO HOMES THAT, YOU KNOW, W WE'RE NOT PUTTING IT IN THE PLACES THAT NEED IT THE MOST.

AND SO THAT'S MY CONCERN.

NOW, THERE ARE A LOT OF WAYS YOU CAN DO THAT.

AND I THINK WE, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY, WE DO HAVE AN APPLICATION CYCLE, AS OPPOSED TO FIRST COME FIRST, SERVE THOSE APPLICATIONS, COME IN.

AND SO YOU CAN SAY, LISTEN, WE'RE GOING TO COMMIT X AMOUNT OF FUNDING FOR SIDEWALKS.

IT'S GOING TO BE A HUNDRED PERCENT FREE, OR YOU COULD SAY, HERE'S THE BUCKET.

THAT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT FREE AND HERE'S THE BUCKET.

THAT'S 50%, I DON'T KNOW IT IN TRANCHES.

AND THEN YOU CAN RATE ALL OF THOSE THAT COME IN, AND YOU CAN SAY IF IT'S IN A CDBG AREA, OR IF IT'S CONTIGUOUS WITH OTHER SIDEWALKS, OR IF IT PROVIDES IMPROVED ACCESS TO PARKS, THINGS LIKE THAT, I RECOGNIZE THAT THAT IS A LITTLE MORE INTENSIVE THAN JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, WHOEVER SHOWS UP AT THE DOOR FIRST GETS IT, BUT IT'S MAKING SURE THAT THAT MONEY GOES TO THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT, THAT REALLY THE REALLY NEEDED THE MOST.

THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS THAT BY, BY GOING TO A STRAIGHT UP FIRST COME FIRST SERVE PROGRAM, UM, THAT ULTIMATELY WE'RE GOING TO BE KIND OF DEPRIVING THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT NEED IT THE MOST.

BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE THAT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

THANK YOU, CHARLIE.

APPRECIATE IT.

COURTESY.

OKAY.

UM, WITH THE COMMITTEES, UM, AGREEMENT, I WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND HAVE STAFF, UH, PURSUE THIS, WHAT THE, WHAT THE REPERCUSSIONS WILL BE ON YOUR END.

LET'S JUST STARTING START WITH GOING A HUNDRED PERCENT.

AND THE POLICY DETAILS OF THAT.

I DON'T SEE A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN APPLICATION CYCLE AND FIRST COME FIRST SERVE BECAUSE THEY BOTH HAVE TIMELINES.

AND, UM, SO WE WILL, WE WILL TACKLE THE ADDITIONAL POLICY PARTS OF THAT AFTER THAT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW JUST IMPACT, IMPACT ON STREETS AND ENGINEERING OF GOING TO A 100%.

UM, AND, AND JUST FIGURED THAT THE, THE MONEY FOR EACH YEAR WILL LIKELY BE USED FOR THAT YEAR.

I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU IF YOU WANT US TO JUST ASSUME THAT WE'RE GOING TO SPEND A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THAT MONEY THAT'S ALLOCATED ON EACH YEAR, HOW MUCH EXACTLY.

YEAH.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE A REASONABLE ASSUMPTION.

SO, UM, AND IF YOU CAN JUST COME BACK TO US, UM, NEXT MONTH AND JUST KIND OF FIND ALL THE, ALL THE LANDMINES THAT WE WOULD STEP ON BY TAKING THAT ROUTE AND LET US KNOW, EXCUSE ME, COUNCILMAN VERA, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? YES, MA'AM GO AHEAD.

MICHAEL, WHAT'D YOU SAY UP A COUPLE OF MONTHS TO FIGURE IT OUT.

IT'S GOING TO TAKE A FEW MONTHS TO REALLY GET THE HANG OF W WHEN THE, WHEN THE REQUESTS COME IN AND THE FIRST WAY ABOVE THEM AND HOW MANY YOU'RE RECEIVING.

UM, YOU KNOW, WHILE WE WERE SITTING HERE AND IN, AND TALKING ABOUT OUR THOUGHT OF SOME, SOME DIFFERENT IDEAS THAT I WOULD HAVE TO RUN PAST STEVE AND TALK INTERNALLY FIRST.

AND SO IF, IF HIS CAUSE IT'S, THIS, PROGRAM'S KIND OF MIGRATING FROM THE ENGINEERING

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DEPARTMENT, WE'LL STILL HAVE THE NEW SIDEWALKS AND FILLING IN THE BLANKS, BUT THE, THE SIDEWALK PARTICIPATION PROGRAMS GONE OVER TO HIS SIDE.

NOW WE DO CROSS OVER WITH THE ADA REQUEST ROUTES BECAUSE HE HAS A SIDEWALK PORTION OF IT, AND WE HAVE THE RAMP PORTION OF IT.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE STILL HAVE TO WORK THROUGH TOGETHER.

UM, BUT I DO NOT COMMITTING FOR STEVE.

I DO HAVE A FEW IDEAS THAT HAVING EXPERIENCED WITH THIS PROGRAM FOR SO MANY YEARS, I HAVE SOME IDEAS IF WE WENT THIS ROUTE.

SO LET ME TALK TO STEVE ON THAT AND WE'LL COME BACK GREAT.

AND I LOVE YOU HAVING IDEAS.

AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED TO HEAR.

MADAM CHAIRMAN, YOU SAID, UH, NEXT MONTH, CAN WE GIVE THEM TWO MONTHS IF YOU, SO YOU CAN HIT THE ROAD? WELL, VETTING, VETTING THE INFORMATION.

WE CAN PROBABLY COME UP WITH IDEAS.

UM, BUT AS, AS FAR AS, AS IMPLEMENTING IT, IF THE COUNCIL WERE TO APPROVE THIS IMPLEMENTATION WOULD TAKE A NUMBER OF MONTHS TO TRY TO GET EVERYONE GEARED UP FOR THE, I DON'T THINK IT'D BE UNREASONABLE THAT WE COULD PROVIDE IT, THE LANDMINES IDENTIFYING THE COST RIGHT.

A MONTH AND NEXT MONTH.

I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE THAT DIFFICULT TO DO NO.

AND PLEASE FEEL FREE TO GET CREATIVE.

AND I, I, UM, I HAVE SEEN YOU GUYS DO THAT BEFORE, AND IT'S ALWAYS EXCITING.

SO, YES.

GREAT.

WELL, APPRECIATE THAT.

UM, IF YOU'RE ABLE TO GET THAT BACK TO US NEXT MONTH, THEN WE'LL LOOK TO HEAR FROM YOU THEN, AND THEN WE'LL START, DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU BRING BACK, WE'LL START HAMMERING AWAY AT SOME OF THESE OTHER, UH, THE DETAILS.

AND, AND CERTAINLY IF THIS, UM, IF THIS GOES, IF THIS CLEARS COUNCIL IN SOME SHAPE AND FORM, CERTAINLY THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE A, A LENGTHY RUN UP TIME FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT THE PROGRAM AND GET ALL THOSE THINGS WORKING CORRECTLY.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UM, JED, ARE YOU PRESENTING ABOUT SPEED HUMPS? NO, I THINK THAT'S YOU WELCOME.

YOU WERE BACK THERE BEHIND A BUNCH OF TALL PEOPLE AND TALL CHAIRS, SO, AND I'M SITTING LOW ENOUGH.

I DID NOT EVEN SEE YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE.

UM, JUST EIGHT F F F.

PERFECT.

OKAY, AWESOME.

SO A COUPLE OF HOUSEKEEPING ITEMS FIRST AND FOREMOST, I'D LIKE TO THANK STEVE FOR GOING FIRST.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND SECOND, UM, I OBVIOUSLY AM NOT PAUL LUKEY.

UM, HE'S MUCH TALLER THAN I AM IF YOU ALL DIDN'T KNOW THAT NOTICE.

UM, ACTUALLY PAUL IS AT A CONFERENCE THIS WEEK AND WE DID NOT WANT TO DELAY THIS TO THE NEXT MEETING.

SO I TOLD HIM THAT I WOULD STEP IN AND TRY MY BEST.

SO BEAR WITH ME.

UM, SO AS STEVE TALKED ABOUT, WE LOOKED AT SEVERAL DIFFERENT FUNDING OPTIONS FOR, YOU KNOW, BOTH SIDEWALKS AND SPEED HUMPS.

AND I AM GOING TO TALK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT SPEED HUMPS.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE S THE SLIDE IN FRONT OF YOU, YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S SOME SPEED HUMP DATA FROM THE LAST FIVE YEARS, AND THAT COVERS 2018 THROUGH 2022.

AND LOOKING AT THAT, UM, AND WE'LL JUST SKIP OVER TO THE TOTAL COLUMN KISS.

THIS IS JUST, UM, INFORMATION THAT I'D LIKE TO GO OVER.

UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOTAL COLUMN, UM, AND WE HAD 126 INITIAL CALLS OR INQUIRIES TO INSTALL SPEED HUMPS, AND THOSE 126, WE ACTUALLY DID NINE SPEED STUDIES.

KEEP IN MIND THAT THE SPEED STUDIES WERE ONLY IMPLEMENTED IN LATE 2021.

SO THERE WERE SEVEN DONE IN 2021, AND THEN AN ADDITIONAL TWO THAT HAD BEEN DONE UP TO, I THINK THIS GOES THROUGH MARCH OF THIS YEAR.

SO WE'VE HAD TWO SO FAR THIS YEAR FOR TOTAL OF NINE.

UM, THE, THE COST OF THE SPEED STUDIES IS ABOUT $440 PER STUDY FOR A TOTAL OF ABOUT $4,000 OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST FIVE YEARS.

YOU'LL ALSO NOTICE THAT WE HAVE 10 SURVEYS THAT WERE SENT OUT OVER THE COURSE OF THE FIVE YEARS, AND IT'S KIND OF ODD SEEING THE 10 SURVEYS SENT OUT AND NINE SPEED STUDIES.

BUT REMEMBER THE SPEED STUDIES WERE ONLY IMPLEMENTED IN LATE 2021.

AND THE NUMBER OF SURVEYS SENT OUT COVERS THE ENTIRE FIVE-YEAR PERIOD.

UM, IF WE HAD DONE, EXCUSE ME, IF WE HIT DONE SPEED STUDIES FOR ALL OF THE NUMBER OF INQUIRIES, WE WOULD HAVE BASICALLY SPENT $55,000 IN SPEED

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STUDIES OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS, THAT'S 126 AT ABOUT 440 PER.

SO WHAT DOES ALL OF THIS MEAN? BASICALLY 7% OF THE 126 TOTAL INQUIRIES HAVE MOVED FROM INITIAL CONTACT TO THE ACTUAL SURVEY AND OF THOSE SEVEN OF THAT 7%, ONLY ABOUT 50% HAVE ACTUALLY MOVED TO IMPLEMENTATION.

AND I'M GOING TO GO BACK.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOTAL NUMBER WE HAVE, WE HAVE ACTUALLY INSTALLED FIVE IN THE PAST FIVE YEARS, AND OF THOSE FIVE, TWO WERE ACTUALLY REQUESTED BY GIRL IN POLICE DEPARTMENT, JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT.

INTERESTING.

SO THE CURRENT FUNDING DISCOUNTS THAT WE HAVE, UH, THE FULL COST OF A SPEED HUMP IS ABOUT $1,400.

AND THE CITIZEN CURRENTLY FUNDS 50% OF THAT COST OR APPROXIMATELY $700.

SO WE ARE PROPOSING AN ADDITIONAL 25% DISCOUNT TO AREAS THAT ARE LOCATED IN THE CDBG BOUNDARIES.

AND WOULD THAT 25% DISCOUNT, IT WOULD BASICALLY REDUCE THE COST FROM $700, WHICH IS A CITIZEN PORTION TO ABOUT $350.

AND THAT IS AVERAGED OVER ABOUT 30 HOMES.

THAT'S TYPICALLY THE IMPACT WHEN YOU PUT A SPEED HUMP IN BECAUSE YOU GO 500 FEET IN EITHER DIRECTION OF THE PLANNED SPEED HUMP.

IT TYPICALLY COVERS ABOUT 30 PROPERTIES.

SO THIS AVERAGES OUT TO ABOUT $12 PER HOME, AS I STAYED AT THE CURRENT POLICY IS THAT THE CITIZEN MAKES THE REQUEST.

UM, AND THAT'S THE LOCATION.

THE NUMBER OF HUMPS THAT THEY'RE WANTING THE CITY LOOKS AT THE D AT THE ELIGIBILITY, UM, IS A SPEED STUDY REQUIRED.

SO OUR CURRENT POLICY IS THAT WE DO SPEED, SPEED STUDIES ON ALL INQUIRIES.

THAT IS OUR CURRENT POLICY.

UM, WE LOOK AT WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE DRAINAGE ISSUES, UM, SPACING TO INTERSECTIONS, MANHOLES, FIRE HYDRANTS, ANY KIND OF, ANY KIND OF AMENITIES OR PERTINENT SAYS THAT ARE LOCATED OUT THERE.

AND THEN THIS ALSO INCLUDES TYPE F OR G STREETS, WHICH AS WE KNOW, INCLUDES COLLECTORS, THEN THE CITY PROVIDES A SURVEY FORM AND IT IS UP TO THE RESIDENT OR THE CITIZEN WHO HAS MADE THE REQUEST TO OBTAIN 80% APPROVAL OF THE CITIZENS THAT ARE AFFECTED.

AND THEN IT IS UP TO THE CITIZEN TO ALSO PROVIDE, UM, THE PAYMENT OF $700 PER SPEED HOP.

ONCE THE CITY RECEIVES ALL OF THAT, WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, THE CITY, THE CITY INSTALLS THE SPEED HUMPS, AND IT IS MAINTAINED BY THE CITY AT THAT TIME.

SO THE ONLY DIFFERENCE THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY RECOMMENDING IS THAT THERE WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL DISCOUNT THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR AREAS, UM, IN CDBG, WHICH WOULD BE THAT ADDITIONAL 25%.

WE'RE STILL GOING THROUGH THE EXACT SAME POLICY WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE ADDITIONAL 25% OFF, WHICH WOULD MAKE THOSE SPEED HUMPS.

AS I STAYED AT ABOUT $350 OR $12 PER A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

AND I'M GOING TO SAY THIS WITH TREPIDATION, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL BE HAPPY TO TRY AND ANSWER THOSE AT THIS TIME.

VERY WELL DONE, UH, COMMITTEE, DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS? OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

GOING ON.

UM, I HAVE A COUPLE, SO JUST MAKING SURE THE 80% APPROVAL OF CITIZENS, UM, DO THOSE HAVE TO BE THE HOMEOWNERS WE HAVE IN MY DISTRICT, AT LEAST I HAVE A LOT OF RENTAL HOMES AND I BELIEVE IT IS.

AND I'M JUST GONNA LOOK THROUGH MY NOTES HERE REALLY QUICKLY ON THE SURVEY.

I BELIEVE THAT'S THE WAY IT'S ALWAYS BEEN.

THAT IS JUST REALLY DIFFICULT IN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE HEAVILY RENTAL BECAUSE THE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE SOMETIMES OUT OF STATE, OUT OF COUNTRY AND YET, AND THEY DON'T CARE.

SO IN THE ACTUAL, UM, POLICY, IT STATES SIGNATURE OF RESIDENTS.

OKAY.

RESIDENT, IT DOES NOT SAY PROPERTY OWNER SPECIFICALLY.

IT MAKES IT EASIER.

UM, OKAY.

AND ONE THING, AND I'VE, I HAVE RUN INTO THIS BEFORE A COMMITTEE WITH, UM, STREETLIGHT REQUESTS.

UM, WHEN, WHEN PEOPLE WANT TO HAVE NEIGHBORS WANT TO HAVE A NEW STREET LIGHT ADDED, UH, WE HAVE REQUIRED THEM TO GO THROUGH A VERY SIMILAR PETITION PROCESS WHERE THEY HAVE TO WALK A PETITION AROUND AND GET X PERCENT OF THEIR NEIGHBORS TO SIGN THAT THEY ACTUALLY WANT A STREETLIGHT.

IT DOESN'T COST MONEY IN THAT CASE.

BUT, UM,

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WHAT THIS, WHAT THIS HAS, HAS CREATED ARE SITUATIONS WHERE I HAVE, UM, YOUNG WOMEN OR OLD WOMEN OR GUYS WHO ARE NOT PARTICULARLY COMFORTABLE GOING AROUND AND KNOCKING ON DOORS IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS BECAUSE THEY ONLY KNOW A COUPLE PEOPLE AND THEY ARE JUST NOT COMFORTABLE KNOCKING ON DOORS.

SO I KNOW DURING THE PANDEMIC, THIS CAME UP WITH A STREETLIGHT REQUEST AND WE MAILED THE INFORMATION INSTEAD OF MAKING A CITIZEN, WALKING IT AROUND THAT'S GPL.

BUT I HAVE THAT SAME CONCERN WITH THIS POLICY BECAUSE WE BASICALLY ARE MAKING PEOPLE PHYSICALLY GO.

AND I MEAN, YOU, IN ONE WAY, YOU COULD SAY, IT'S REALLY GOOD.

IT MAKES THEM GET TO KNOW THEIR NEIGHBORS, BUT, UH, THERE ARE GOOD MANY PEOPLE THAT'S WHERE THE STOPS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT COMFORTABLE DOING IT.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF, IF THERE'S A BETTER WAY, IF WE COULD DO WHAT WE, UM, WHAT WE DID WITH STREETLIGHTS, AT LEAST DURING THE PANDEMIC, IF WE COULD TAKE IT UPON OURSELVES TO MAIL, UM, THE INFORMATION TO THE HOMES TO BE THROWN AWAY AND IGNORED FOR THE MOST PART, BUT TO AT LEAST, UM, AT LEAST HAVE SOME ASSISTANCE.

YOU, I MEAN, ESPECIALLY IF IT GETS DOWN TO WHERE IT'S ONLY 12 BUCKS A HOUSE, THERE ARE A LOT OF EVEN RENTERS WHO WOULD PAY 12 BUCKS TO GET A STRAIGHT HUMP PUT IN.

SO WHEN IT GETS DOWN TO THAT LEVEL, UM, OR EVEN DOUBLE THAT, FRANKLY, IF IT'S $25 AND, AND IT, AND THEY SEE IT'S COMING FROM US, THAT'S ANOTHER THING.

WHEN, WHEN YOU HAVE SOMEBODY YOU DON'T KNOW WHO SAYS, THEY'RE A NEIGHBOR AND THEY COME TO YOUR DOOR AND THEY'RE TALKING TO YOU ABOUT COLLECTING MONEY.

UM, THERE'S JUST A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, SCAMMERS OUT THERE.

SO COMMITTEE, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT US PURSUING A POLICY TO MOVE THIS FROM CITIZENS, WALKING DOOR TO DOOR, TO PUTTING MORE THE ONUS ON US, TO MAIL THESE THINGS OUT BJ, I'M SURE TO PICK UP ON THAT.

I THINK THIS MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ALSO TO USE TECHNOLOGY.

A LOT OF ORGANIZATIONS AND COMPANIES ARE GOING TO ELECTRONIC SIGNATURES TODAY.

THEY WERE SENDING OUT INFORMATION DOCUMENTS.

THERE IS A PROGRAM WHERE YOU CAN SEE THAT DOCUMENT AND IT'S, IT'S A CARROT IT'S, IT'S VETTED, AND YOU CAN SEE THE DOCUMENT.

YOU CAN ACTUALLY FILL THE DOCUMENT OUT ONLINE.

I KNOW THAT TECHNOLOGY IS OUT THERE.

THAT'S AN OPTION IN ADDITION TO MAILING HARD COPIES.

SO PERHAPS WE COULD EXPLORE WITH OUR RT FOLK, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD, COULD LOOK AT, BECAUSE THAT IS A TECHNOLOGY THAT'S, THAT'S OUT THERE.

HOPE THAT'S, HE'S GOING, WHERE'S PAUL NOW SHE'S OUT THERE, BUT JUST TO PIGGYBACK ON, I THINK WE CAN, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING, CAUSE YOU MAKE A VERY GOOD POINT.

UH, PARTICULARLY WITH RINGS.

PEOPLE ARE VERY APPREHENSIVE ABOUT KNOCKING ON SPOT OF JOSEPH.

SO I THINK IN ADDITION TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, I THINK WE SHOULD EXPLORE WITH OUR ART FOLK, HOW WE CAN MAYBE COME INTO THE 21ST CENTURY AND USE TECHNOLOGY TO, TO COVER SOME OF THESE SIX, WAIT A MINUTE.

NO, NO.

SHE KNEW SOME OF THOSE THINGS.

SO, SO THAT'S OUT THAT, THAT'S MY SUGGESTION.

UM, BUT IF I BET IF I MAY, SO