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THEY'RE, UM,

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LANDSCAPING WITH HARDSCAPING IN

[ NOTICE OF MEETING CITY OF GARLAND, TEXAS COMMUNITY SERVICES COMMITTEE Work Session Room of City Hall 200 N. Fifth Street Garland, Texas January 23, 2025, at 10:00 a.m. A meeting of the Community Services Committee of the City of Garland, Texas will be held at the aforementioned location, date, and time to discuss and consider the following agenda items. NOTICE: The committee may recess from the open session and convene in a closed executive session if the discussion of any of the listed agenda items concerns attorney/client communication, including pending/contemplated litigation, settlement offer(s), and matters concerning privileged and unprivileged client information deemed confidential by Rule 1.05 of the Texas Disciplinary Rules of Professional Conduct. Sec. 551.071, Tex. Gov't Code.]

THEIR MEDIAN AND ALSO IN JUST LIKE THEIR ENTRYWAY CORNER AREAS AS WELL.

UM, NOW THEY'RE GONNA BE, UM, INSTALLING SOME HARDSCAPING THERE.

UM, THEY'RE ALSO GONNA BE TRANSPLANTING SOME OF THEIR PLANTS, UM, AND THEN THEY'LL BE ADDING SOME ADDITIONAL PLANTS.

UM, NOW PLANT LIVE PLANT MATERIAL AND COST ASSOCIATED WITH PLANTS ARE NOT ELIGIBLE.

UM, SO THE, THOSE ITEMS HAVE BEEN DEDUCTED FROM THE ESTIMATES THAT HAVE BEEN PROVIDED.

UM, AND SO THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS AWARE OF THAT AND THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY WANTED TO CONTINUE WITH, WITH THIS PLAN, UM, AS WELL.

UM, THEY'RE ALSO LOOKING TO MODIFY THEIR EXISTING IRRIGATION SYSTEM.

UM, PART OF THE PLAN IS TO CAP OFF SOME OF THE AREAS THAT ARE GONNA BE, UM, YOU KNOW, PURELY HARDSCAPING, UH, BUT THEN THEY WILL ALSO BE ADDING SOME ADDITIONAL ZONES FOR THOSE TRANSPLANTED OR ADDITIONAL PLANTINGS AS WELL.

UM, AND THEN LASTLY, THEY WANTED TO EXPAND THEIR EXISTING LIGHTING, UM, TO INCLUDE COLORFUL LED LIGHTS.

UM, AND SO THIS IS SO THAT THEY CAN, UM, THEY CAN COMMEMORATE SOME OF THE HOLIDAYS WITH THE DIFFERENT COLORS AND SUCH AND JUST KIND OF BRING A MORE MODERN TOUCH TO THEIR ENTRYWAYS.

UM, THEY'RE STATED GOALS INCLUDES IMPROVING ENTRIES AND MEDIANS TO GIVE OAK RIDGE A NEW LOOK THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH CURRENT LANDSCAPE DESIGN, UTILIZING HARDSCAPE AND DROUGHT TOLERANT PLANTS.

UM, THEY LOOK TO INSTALL, UM, NEW DRIP IRRIGATION AND REDUCE WATER USAGE.

UM, AND THEN THEY LOOK HOPE TO INSTALL NEW SAFETY AND SECURITY LIGHTING USING LED TO REDUCE ELECTRIC BILL.

UM, FOR THEIR STATED MAINTENANCE IN THEIR APPLICATION.

THEY SAID THEY ARE, UM, THEY'VE CONTRACTED WITH A LANDSCAPE SERVICE THAT'LL MAINTAIN THESE ENTRANCES.

UM, AND SO, AND THIS IS JUST A MAP OF, UM, THE PROJECT AREA.

AND THEN THESE ARE SOME PHOTOS OF THE, UM, ENTRANCES AND THEY'RE KIND OF NOTATED, LIKE WHICH ENTRANCES.

UM, WE'LL BE RECEIVING THOSE MAKEOVERS ESSENTIALLY.

UM, SO WE DID GO BACK AND, AND FORTH QUITE A BIT WITH THE APPLICANTS JUST TO TRY TO WORK THINGS OUT AND, UM, SEE WHAT COULD BE ELIGIBLE OR WHAT COULD POTENTIAL, WHAT WOULD BE DETERMINED BY COMMUNITY SERVICES AS WELL AS CITY COUNCIL AS TO WHAT MIGHT BE ELIGIBLE.

UM, AND SO SOME, UM, WE HAVE ALL OF THE COMMENTS FROM LETTER OF INTENT TO APPLICATION TO EVEN AN UPDATE SINCE THEIR APPLICATION BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN KIND OF GOING, GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, AND SO, BUT ESSENTIALLY THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS PROVIDED EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE REQUESTED.

UM, THEY PROVIDED LANDSCAPING PLANS, WHICH ARE INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET.

UM, THEY HAVE SENT THE PLANT MATERIAL LIST TO OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT BECAUSE THOSE MEDIAS ARE, UM, THEY DO, THEY DO HAVE A WATER USAGE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT WITH OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT, SO WHATEVER CHANGES THEY MAKE, IT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY, BY PARKS.

AND SO, UM, SO WE'VE KIND OF BEEN WORKING THROUGH THAT.

UM, BUT ALSO JUST KIND OF A, THEY SUBMITTED THE PLANT MATERIAL AND THERE WERE SOME, UM, PREFERENCES MENTIONED BY PARKS DEPARTMENT FOR SOME OF THE SPECIES.

BUT SINCE PLANTS ARE KIND OF OUTSIDE OF THIS, PER OUR PURVIEW OF THE GRANT, WE'LL LET THEM, UM, WORK DIRECTLY WITH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT.

UH, TRUST ME, YOU DON'T WANT ME GETTING INTO PLANT SPECIES.

I AM NOT, I AM NOT THE EXPERT THERE, , SO WE'LL JUST LEAVE THAT TO THE EXPERTS.

UM, BUT, UH, AGAIN, AS MENTIONED, UH, STAFF CALCULATED $4,006 AND 10 CENTS TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH THE INSTALLATION OF PLANT MATERIAL.

SO THAT AMOUNT WAS DEDUCTED FROM THE, UM, ESTIMATE FOR THE LANDSCAPING.

HARDSCAPING IS SUBMITTED BY, UM, I BELIEVE IT'S COVINGTON, UM, THEIR ESTIMATE.

UM, AGAIN, AS MENTIONED, PARKS REVIEW, THE LANDSCAPING PLANS AND MATERIAL LIST, AND AGAIN, STATED THEY WERE GOOD WITH THE PLAN, BUT JUST WANTED TO DISCUSS PLANT CHOICES.

UM, SO, UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD WILL NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING IN WRITING FROM PARKS DEPARTMENT, THOUGH BEFORE THEY BEGIN WORK THAT EVERYTHING IS, UM, THAT PARKS IS GOOD WITH THE PLANT CHOICES AND EVERYTHING IS GOOD TO GO.

SO, UM, SO IRRIGATION MODIFICATIONS, UM, INCLUDE UPGRADING EXISTING SPRAY SPRINKLERS, HEADS TO DRIP IRRIGATION.

UM, IN ADDITION TO, AS MENTIONED BEFORE, CAPPING OFF SOME OF THOSE AREAS THAT'LL HAVE HARDSCAPING.

UM, THEY

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WILL NEED TO, UM, ADD SOME NEW ZONES FOR THOSE TRANSPLANTED AREAS.

UM, NOW IRRIGATION UPGRADES ARE LISTED IN THE MATCHING GRANT GUIDELINES AS INELIGIBLE.

UM, AND SO, BUT THERE'S KIND OF A MIXTURE OF THINGS HAPPENING WITH THIS POTEN PARTICULAR PROJECT.

SO WE WANTED TO JUST PRESENT THAT TO, UM, TO YOU ALL FOR DISCUSSION OR FOR DETERMINATION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT COMPONENT CAN BE ELIGIBLE.

UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD PROVIDED, UH, REQUESTED, UH, IMAGES OF WHAT THE LIGHTING ENHANCEMENT WILL LOOK LIKE.

AND SO IF YOU'LL LOOK AT THE, UM, ESTIMATE, UM, AFTER THE ESTIMATE FROM, I BELIEVE IT'S HARDWARE ELECTRIC, UM, THERE'S SOME PHOTOS AND I CAN KIND OF SCROLL DOWN THERE AND SHOW YOU OF KIND OF SOME OF THE LIGHTING, UM, WHAT THEY HAD IN MIND FOR THE COLORFUL LIGHTING.

SO IT'S ESSENTIAL, ESSENTIALLY NORMAL LIGHTING, BUT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO, UM, CHANGE DIFFERENT COLORS, UM, BASED ON THE SEASONS OR, OR WHAT HAVE YOU.

UM, THE ELIGIBILITY OF THIS COMPONENT IS TO BE DETERMINED BY, UM, BY THIS COMMITTEE, UM, JUST BECAUSE IN, UH, THE MATCHING GRANT GUIDELINES, IT SAYS NEW SAFETY LIGHTING IS ELIGIBLE.

UPGRADES ARE TYPICALLY NOT ELIGIBLE.

THIS IS, I KNOW WE HAD, UH, UH, THIS IS KIND OF A UPGRADE, BUT EXPANSION AND JUST ALSO ALLOWING FOR THEM TO, UM, DECORATE FOR HOLIDAYS AND WHAT HAVE YOU.

SO WE WANTED TO PRESENT THAT TO YOU ALL AS WELL FOR DETERMINATION, FOR ELIGIBILITY, UM, FOR THE SWEAT EQUITY AND IN KIND DONATIONS.

UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS TO HOST A VOLUNTEER WORKDAY TO OFFSET THE COST OF BED PREPARATION.

UM, AND SO THEY HAVE PROVIDED ALL OF THE REQUESTED JUSTIFICATION FOR, UM, FOR NUMBER OF VOLUNTEERS, VOLUNTEER HOURS, UM, IN ADDITION TO, UM, KIND OF CORROBORATING THE COSTS FOR DONATING DONATED SERVICES, UM, AND, UM, DONATED, UM, UH, EQUIPMENT USAGE AND, AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

UM, THIS INFORMATION IS OUTLINED IN THE DOCUMENT THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD PROVIDED, UM, AND IT'S LABELED OAK RIDGE COST CALCULATIONS.

UM, AND SO I KNOW THAT'S A LOT.

UM, I THINK WITH THAT, UM, I WILL GO AHEAD AND OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS.

AWESOME.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, LAURA.

MM-HMM .

SCOTT, THANKS FOR BEING HERE.

, JUST HAPPY TO BE HERE.

, I THINK HE ENJOYS WHEN HE CAN BE, UM, JUST DECORATION.

YEAH.

YEAH.

UM, OUT OF THE HOT SEAT, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

UM, BUT I ABSOLUTELY AM FINE WITH THIS.

UM, THIS IS ONE THAT'S ALWAYS VERY LOW.

UM, AS FAR AS APPLICATIONS, LIKE WE USUALLY ONLY GET LIKE ONE OR TWO.

SO, UM, AND BEING THAT WE'RE WORKING ON OUR, UM, ENTRYWAYS IN THE CITY AND THEN WE'VE JUST BUILT, WELL, WE'RE STILL BUILDING HOLFORD.

UM, I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT IT'S ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY A, A GREAT IDEA, SO, OKAY.

THANK YOU.

CHRIS.

ANY, UM, I, I LOVE, I LOVE THE IDEA OF MIXING UP THE BOULDERS WITH THE ROCKS WITH THE GRA GRANITE SO THAT IT'S NOT ALL ONE THING.

UM, WE DID THE COMPRESSED GRANITE AT OUR, AND IT DOES NOT WEED BARRIER VERY WELL, SO I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE ROCKS, AND I THINK THE MAINTENANCE WILL BE A LOT LOWER FOR THEM.

MM-HMM .

UM, THE SWEAT EQUITY, I APPRECIATE, I HOPE THEY HAVE ENOUGH VOLUNTEERS THAT HAVE ALREADY SIGNED UP BEFORE THEY AGREED TO DO THAT, BECAUSE I, I DO KNOW THAT YOU SET UP THESE BIG DAYS AND YOU EXPECT THIS MANY PEOPLE AND ONLY THIS MANY SHOW UP, SO I HOPE THAT'S GONNA WORK FOR THEM.

RIGHT.

UM, THE PICTURES ARE BEAUTIFUL.

UM, THIS IS A VERY, THIS IS, THIS IS A LOT .

I DO APOLOGIZE, BUT IT WAS, IT WAS QUITE THE, THE PROJECT TO, UH, PUT TOGETHER.

BUT YEAH, I MEAN, IF THEY AGREED WE WANT TO BEAUTIFY OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, WE WANT TO MAKE OUR CORRIDORS MORE APPEALING SO THAT IT'S NICER TO DRIVE THROUGH GARLAND, THESE ARE FOUR REALLY

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HIGH IMPACT, UM, ENTRYWAYS.

UM, I THINK IT'S A WONDERFUL IDEA, SO, OKAY.

AWESOME.

THANK YOU LADIES.

UM, YOU KNOW, ABSOLUTELY, THIS IS A, THIS IS A HIGHLY VISIBLE, VERY LARGE SUBDIVISION.

ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO INCENTIVIZE THEM TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT MORE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING, I APPRECIATE, UM, COUPLE THINGS THOUGH.

AND THEN, UM, I HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE SWEAT EQUITY AS WELL.

UM, IT'S, IT'S ALL GOOD.

AND WELL TO PUT SOMETHING ON PAPER AND SAY, YOU KNOW, 29 HOURS, 20 VOLUNTEERS, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

UM, AND MY QUESTION IS, IS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME AS COUNCIL MEMBER BEARDS, IS, HAVE THEY PROVIDED ANY, UM, WHETHER IT BE PRECEDENT OF THAT TYPE OF, UH, CONTRIBUTION FROM THEIR, FROM THE RESIDENTS, OR DO THEY HAVE ANY KIND OF, UM, SIGN UP LIST THEY'VE ALREADY SENT OUT AND PEOPLE ARE ALREADY VOLUNTEERING FOR IT? DO WE HAVE ANY RECORD OF THAT OR ANY PRECEDENT OF THEIR SWEAT EQUITY IN THE PAST? RIGHT.

SO THEY DID NOT PROVIDE A LIST OF, YOU KNOW, UH, VOLUNTEERS THAT HAVE SIGNED UP PREVIOUSLY FOR THIS UPCOMING, UM, EVENT.

UH, I DO KNOW THAT THEY'RE FAIRLY ACTIVE.

UM, I KNOW THAT THEY REGULARLY HOST, UM, BLOCK PARTIES, COMMUNITY EVENTS, NATIONAL NIGHT OUT EVENTS, UM, AND THEY TYPICALLY HAVE A PRETTY, UM, GOOD ATTENDANCE TO THAT.

BUT AS FAR AS PEOPLE COMING OUT TO ACTUALLY VOLUNTEER, UM, I COULDN'T ATTEST TO THAT, BUT THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD, UM, ASK OF THEM TO PROVIDE.

WELL, YES.

'CAUSE I MEAN, AND HERE'S, HERE'S MY CONCERN.

AND, AND LIKE I MENTIONED, THIS IS, THIS IS A LARGE PROJECT, THIS ISN'T TINY, THIS IS IN, THIS IS, UM, MULTIPLE TRADES INVOLVED.

THIS IS GOING TO BE, THIS IS A PROJECT MANAGEMENT, UM, JOB.

SO, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE CONTRIBUTING TO SOME OF THIS, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE THIS IS ALL BEING ENVELOPED BY ONE MANAGEMENT COMPANY, RIGHT? AND SO THEY'RE RELYING ON VOLUNTEERS TO BE AN INTEGRAL PART OF THIS.

SO THE, THE PROBLEMS AND THE PROBLEMS I'M LOOKING AT ARE FINANCIAL, RIGHT? EITHER THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH VOLUNTEERS TO GET IT DONE FAST ENOUGH, IT TAKES 'EM AN EXTRA MONTH.

WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE ALREADY GOT CONTRACTS WITH TRADES, YOU KNOW, AND ARE THOSE TRADES THEN GONNA BE COLLECTING MORE MONEY? AND, YOU KNOW, UM, IF THEY CAN'T GET THE VOLUNTEERS, THEN WHERE'S THE CONTINGENCY, WHERE'S THE MONEY COMING FROM TO PAY A LANDSCAPE COMPANY TO COME IN AND DO THIS? IS THERE A CONTINGENCY FOR THAT THOUGH? SO THOSE ARE THE CONCERNS I HAVE ON THE SWEAT EQUITY.

UM, OTHER CONCERN I HAVE, AND THIS IS MOST, MOST OF MY CONCERNS ARE FINANCIAL, RIGHT? BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS IS A BIG PROJECT, UM, AND WE WANT THEM TO, YOU KNOW, WE WANT IT TO, TO BE DONE PROPERLY.

UM, HAVE WE CONFIRMED, SO THEY HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, THE SWEAT EQUITY AND THE INKIND AND THE CASH CONTRIBUTION.

BUT HAVE WE, DO WE HAVE ANY KIND OF CONFIRMATION, UM, OF THE, UH, OF THE, UH, SOFTSCAPE THAT'S OUTSIDE OF OUR, UH, OUTSIDE OF OUR SCOPE? DO WE HAVE CONFIRMATION THAT THEY HAVE FUNDS FOR THAT AS WELL? I MEAN, SO THEY, UM, IN THE CALCULATIONS THAT THEY PROVIDED, THEY ACKNOWLEDGED THAT, UM, WHICH I THINK THERE WAS JUST A LITTLE BIT CONFUSION IN SOME OF THEIR CALCULATIONS, AND THEY WEREN'T TOO SURE HOW THE $100,000 CAP, UM, WORKED.

AND SO, UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY THEIR CALCULATIONS ARE A BIT OFF.

HOWEVER, THEY HAD ACKNOWLEDGED, UM, AND THEIR CALCULATIONS, UM, THAT THEY NEEDED, UH, APPROXIMATELY $25,000 CASH FOR THIS PROJECT.

UM, AND THAT'S, AGAIN, THAT'S NOT INCLUDING SWEAT EQUITY AND WHAT HAVE YOU.

UM, AND SO THEY HAVE NOT MENTIONED WHETHER THEY HAVE THAT CAPACITY, UM, BUT IT IS RECOGNIZED THAT THEY WILL NEED THOSE AMOUNT OF FUNDS.

OKAY.

AND, UM, AND, UH, THIS IS, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE PACKET YOU PUT TOGETHER, BUT IT IT'S A LOT.

SO I HAVEN'T, THAT'S, THAT'S OKAY.

SO I HAVEN'T, SO I'M GONNA PROBABLY ASK, YOU KNOW, SOME MORE QUESTIONS THAT ARE ALREADY ANSWERED IN HERE, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.

NO WORRIES.

SO DO THEY HAVE, BECAUSE I NOTICED THERE ARE MULTIPLE TRADES IN HERE, RIGHT? LANDSCAPE, ELECTRICIAN, ALL THAT KINDA STUFF.

DO THEY HAVE, UM, A COMPANY MANAGING THIS PROJECT, OR ARE THEY MANAGING IT THEMSELVES? AND IF SO, DO WE HAVE THAT, UM, THEIR VOLUNTEER PROPERTY MAN, WHOEVER'S MANAGING IT FOR THEM? DO WE HAVE ALL OF THAT INFORMATION? SO, UM, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IT'S KIND OF A TEAM THAT'S MANAGING THIS.

UM, JOSHUA LAMB AND CECILE, I BELIEVE IT'S LAMBROSE, UM, THAT, FORGIVE ME IF THAT LAST NAME IS WRONG.

UM, AND SO THEY ARE, UM, PLANNING THIS PROJECT TOGETHER, BUT THEY DO HAVE A, A COMMITTEE THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WORKING, UM, WORKING ON THIS.

AND SO, UM, AS FAR AS THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY, I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE A MANAGEMENT COMPANY SINCE THEY'RE VOLUNTARY.

UM, BUT THEY DO, I MEAN, THEY DID MENTION THAT THEY, UH, WILL DO HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THE LANDSCAPING, UM, COMPANY TO MAINTAIN WHATEVER GOES IN.

UM, SO THEY,

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UM, HAVE SOME OF THOSE, UM, THAT INFRASTRUCTURE FOR, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.

OKAY.

I'D JUST LIKE TO SEE, UH, JUST, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THE, THE FUNDS ARE MANAGED PROPERLY AND MAKE SURE THE PROJECT'S MANAGED PROPERLY.

THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS.

ABSOLUTELY.

UM, AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE LAST TIME THAT THAT, THAT, UM, THAT OAK RIDGE, UM, UTILIZED THE MATCHING BA GRANT PROGRAM WAS IN 2009.

SO I THINK IT'S, UH, GREAT THAT THEY'VE COME BACK.

I THINK IT'S A WONDERFUL USE OF FUNDS AND, UM, YEAH, AND OF COURSE I'D LIKE EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD TO, YOU KNOW, UTILIZE THIS PROGRAM.

IT'S, IT'S AMAZING.

UM, ON ANOTHER NOTE, UH, LAURA, YOU MENTIONED THAT, UM, UPGRADING LIGHTING IS NOT ELIGIBLE.

UM, I WOULD JUST, AGAIN, THIS IS A SIDE NOTE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME MORE DETAILS ON THAT BECAUSE, UM, JUST, JUST ON THE SURFACE, JUST SAYING UPGRADING YOUR LIGHTING ISN'T ELIGIBLE.

THAT DOESN'T, THAT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THAT, THAT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A GOOD, I GUESS, I DON'T KNOW, NON-ELIGIBLE ITEM, RIGHT? I WOULD, I WOULD THINK THAT I UPGRADING LIGHTING SHOULD BE ELIGIBLE BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE GOING FROM, YOU KNOW, INCANDESCENT OR FLUORESCENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO AN LED.

UM, SO I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE SOME MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT SO I CAN REVIEW IT AND SEE IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO, TO VISIT ON, ON COUNCIL SIDE.

UM, NO, I THINK IT'S A GREAT PROJECT.

UM, I JUST THINK I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MANAGE THE, MANAGE THE FUNDS AND THE TIMING AND THAT THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE GETTING THEMSELVES INTO .

OKAY.

AWESOME.

LADIES, ANYTHING ELSE? NO.

OKAY.

SO I'M SO SORRY.

JUST TO CLARIFY, UM, DO YOU WANT ME TO OBTAIN, UM, CLARIFICATION OR CONFIRMATION FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ABOUT THEIR VOLUNTEER HOURS AND AVAILABILITY OF FUNDS BEFORE MOVING THIS ALONG, OR, I JUST WANTED TO, UM, I, I, I DON'T THINK I'M THAT CONCERNED WITH IT.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE JUMPING INTO.

GOT IT.

YOU KNOW, AND I'M, AS LONG AS YOU GUYS EXPRESS TO ME THAT, THAT Y'ALL TAKE CARE OF THAT, THEN I'M GOOD.

GOOD.

OKAY.

AWESOME.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

GLAD I COULD BE OF ASSISTANCE.

.

.

THAT WAS SOME SERIOUS WORK YOU PUT IN THERE TODAY, .

OKAY.

OKAY.

UM, ALSO MOVING ON TO ITEM THREE B, DISCUSS CIVIL PENALTIES FOR CODE COMPLIANCE ISSUES.

THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF A DISCUSSION.

GOOD MORNING, RICK.

GOOD MORNING, SIR.

HOW ARE YOU? WONDERFUL.

GOOD TO HAVE YOU.

GOOD TO BE HERE.

LEMME GET MY EYES ON FIRST.

LEMME SEE.

OKAY.

GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIR.

UH, COMMITTEE .

UH, MY NAME IS RICK BARKER, CODE COMPLIANCE, AND I'M HERE TODAY TO, UH, BRING FORWARD THE INFORMATION THAT YOU HAD ASKED FROM OUR, FROM OUR PREVIOUS MEETING.

AND SO MY, MY PRESENTATION THIS MORNING IS GONNA BE BASICALLY JUST A KIND OF A, A OVERVIEW AND A BRIEF RECAP OF WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT THE LAST MEETING, UH, AND THEN, UH, GET INTO SOME OF THE FUTURE ITEMS THAT YOU WANTED TO DISCUSS.

SO I'VE GOT, UH, A PRESENTATION OF, UH, A LIST OF, OF VIOLATION TYPES, AND THEN SOME, UH, EXAMPLE OF PHOTOS, A FEE SCHEDULE, AND, UH, ALL THAT.

AND I APOLOGIZE IF YOU DIDN'T GET THIS PACKET IN A VERY TIMELY MANNER, UH, BUT HOPEFULLY YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE JUST TO KIND OF REVIEW IT AND, UH, GO FROM THERE.

BUT I'LL TRY TO EXPLAIN IT AS BEST I CAN.

UH, SEAN ROTON IS HERE ALSO TO, UM, UH, ANSWER ANY, UM, YOU KNOW, LEGAL QUESTIONS CONCERNING THE, UH, POTENTIAL ORDINANCE THAT WE'RE WANTING TO, TO BRING FORWARD ANY REVISIONS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

SO, SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.

SO, UH, AS YOU RECALL, IN OUR PRIOR MEETING ON DECEMBER THE FIFTH, UH, WE WERE BROUGHT FORWARD TO DISCUSS, UH, OUR POTENTIAL, AND I WANNA SAY THE WORD POTENTIAL CIVIL ENFORCEMENT PROGRAM FOR, FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT.

UH, WE DISCUSSED THE OBJECTIVES FOR THIS TYPE OF A PROGRAM, UH, AND BASICALLY THE OBJECTIVE IS TO AID IN THE COMPLIANCE, UH, TO IMPROVE OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, AND ALSO THROUGH, UM, UH, OTHER PROPERTIES, UH, UH, THROUGHOUT OUR CITY, UH, COMMERCIAL AND, AND OUR MULTIFAMILY, UH, AND, UH, AND OUR DESIRE TO BASICALLY IMPLEMENT THIS PROGRAM.

UH, SOME OF THE BENEFITS OF THIS IS GONNA BE AN EASE OF THE ENFORCEMENT, UH, PROGRAM VERSUS A, A CRIMINAL, OUR CRIMINAL PROGRAM.

UH, WE, WE WILL HEAVILY USE, UH, PHOTOS, UH, TO, UH, SHOW, UH, PROOF OF VIOLATIONS, AND THEN, WE'LL, IT WILL ALSO, UM, PROVIDE RELIEF FOR OUR COURT WORKFLOWS AND SOME EXTENDED TIME, UH, THAT, THAT'S REQUIRED FOR CURRENT DUE PROCESS.

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AND, UH, WE HOPE, UH, IT WILL IMPROVE OUR POTENTIAL, UH, COMPLIANCE FOR, FOR, FOR NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, AND, AND PROPERTY OWNERS.

SO, UH, OUR CURRENT NOTICE POLICY AND LEGAL REQUIREMENTS WILL, UH, ALWAYS CONTINUE.

UH, WE'LL CONTINUE THOSE NOTIFICATION PROCEDURES, UH, AS REQUIRED, UH, BY POLICY AND OUR LEGAL REQUIREMENTS.

UH, IT WILL ALSO REQUIRE SOME, UH, CODE OF ORDINANCE AND THE GARLAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REVISIONS, UM, TO EN ENFORCE THIS TYPE OF, OF PROGRAM.

UH, AND AGAIN, UH, THE EASE OF DUE PROCESS, UH, AND THAT, THAT'S KEY.

UH, WE WE'RE, WE'RE ALL ABOUT DUE PROCESS, UH, AS YOU KNOW, AND AS YOU'VE, YOU'VE CONVEYED TO US AND, UH, UM, INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THIS WILL GO.

UH, THERE, THERE WILL BE PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, TO DO AN ADMINISTRATIVE HEARING.

UH, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO AN APPEAL TO THE APPEAL, UH, ONCE IT GOES FROM, UH, TO THE ADMINISTRATIVE, UH, HEARING AND, AND THE, AND THE PERSON IS NOT SATISFIED WITH THE RESULT OF THAT.

UH, I THINK MR. ENGLAND TALKED ABOUT IN THE PREVIOUS MEETING THAT THERE WOULD BE ANOTHER LEVEL OF, OF APPEAL THROUGH THE, UH, THROUGH THE JUDGE.

UM, AND THEN WE ALSO, UM, UH, MR. BETTS WAS HERE.

HE, UH, GRACIOUSLY AND VERY WELL, UM, SHOWED THE POTENTIAL OF OUR NEW SOFTWARE PROGRAM THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY IN DEVELOPMENT, UH, THAT WOULD ENHANCE OUR WORKFLOWS AND PROCESSES, UH, FOR THIS TYPE OF A, OF A PROGRAM.

UH, WE'LL BE USING A THIRD PARTY, UM, UH, TO, UH, HELP US ADMINISTER, UH, SOME OF THE PROGRAM, UH, SUCH AS CORRESPONDENCE, UH, COLLECTING FEES, UH, AND, UH, COMMUNICATING SOME, UH, THE PAST DUE PROCESS.

AND SO WE, WE, IF YOU RECALL, WE, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, OR THINKING ABOUT THIS TYPE OF ENFORCEMENT PROGRAM FOR YEARS, WE JUST REALLY DIDN'T HAVE THE SUPPORT FROM OUR, UH, CURRENT SYSTEM AND FROM THE, FROM THE BACK END OF, OF THE COLLECTION OF FEES AND, AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

SO WE, WE FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD THAT WE'RE GETTING THOSE, THOSE THINGS INTO PLACE.

UM, AND THEN AGAIN, LET'S FAST FORWARD TO TODAY.

UH, AGAIN, I'M HERE TO INTRODUCE JUST A POTENTIAL KEYWORD, POTENTIAL, UH, LIST OF VIOLATIONS THAT WE FEEL LIKE WE CAN USE IN THIS PROGRAM.

UH, UH, A PROPOSED, UH, FEE SCHEDULE, UM, THAT, THAT'S ALWAYS UP FOR DISCUSSION AND, UH, DEBATE.

UH, AND THEN I'VE, I'VE GOT EXAMPLES OF PHOTOS THAT YOU REQUESTED TO SEE.

I DON'T HAVE PHOTOS FOR EVERY VIOLATION TYPE, BUT I HAVE, UH, MAJORITY OF COMMONLY WHAT WE, WHAT WE ENFORCE IN THE, IN THE, OUR MOST COMMON VIOLATION TYPES.

I HAVE PHOTOS FOR THOSE.

UH, AND THEN, UH, WE ALSO WERE ASKED TO, AND, AND, AND MENTIONED BRINGING FORWARD, EXPLORING SOME OTHER CITY CIVIL PROGRAMS. UM, WE DID THAT.

UM, UNFORTUNATELY WE DIDN'T GET A WHOLE LOT OF RESPONSE.

UM, UH, BUT I DID, UH, REACH OUT, UH, TO THE NETWORK IN, IN THE NORTH TEXAS AREA.

I, I GOT A COUPLE OF RESPONSES FROM PLANO AND RICHARDSON THAT THEY, THEY DO NOT HAVE THIS TYPE OF A PROGRAM, UH, BUT WE'VE WORKED, UH, CLOSELY WITH THE CITY OF GRAND PRAIRIE.

I KNOW, UM, UH, SEAN, UH, HAD, UH, WORKED WITH THEM, UM, WITH, WITH THEIR CIVIL ENFORCEMENT PROGRAM.

UH, THEY HAD HEARD ABOUT OUR, OUR PARKING PROGRAM.

AND SO THAT'S HOW THAT NETWORK STARTED.

UH, AND SO SEAN HAS, HAS WORKED WITH THE CITY OF GRAND PRAIRIE AND BEEN THROUGH THAT NETWORKING, KIND OF SAW HOW THEIR PROGRAM STARTED, AND I'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION FROM WHAT THEY DO.

SO MOVING FORWARD, SO AGAIN, THIS IS, I'VE GOT THREE AND A HALF SLIDES OF JUST A LIST OF, OF OUR, OUR VIOLATIONS THAT WE, THAT WE ARE PROPOSING FOR THIS.

GET THAT.

COULD YOU TRY AGAIN? , .

SORRY ABOUT THAT.

SERIES INTERVENING.

UM, ANYWAY, SO, UH, THIS LIST, THREE AND A HALF SLIDES THAT ARE, ARE JUST A, A GENERAL LIST OF OUR MOST COMMON TYPES OF VIOLATIONS THAT WE ENCOUNTER.

UH, IT ENCOMPASSES, UH, BOTH RESIDENTIAL, UH, COMMERCIAL AND ALSO OUR, OUR MULTI-FAMILY, UH, COMMUNITY.

UH, BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, AND ALL, ALL OF THESE TYPE, UH, VIOLATIONS THAT ARE LISTED HERE ARE THINGS THAT WE, WE FEEL COMFORTABLE, UM, THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, TAKE PHOTOS OF THOSE VIOLATIONS, UH, PROVE THROUGH, PROVE THAT, UM, INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY, UH, THAT A VIOLATION EXISTS ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY WITH, WITH JUST PHOTO EVIDENCE.

UM, IT, IT MIGHT BE A SERIES OF PHOTOS.

UH, YOU KNOW, YOU SHOW THE, THE PICTURE OF THE VIOLATION AND YOU SHOW THE ACTUAL PROPERTY ITSELF, UH, YOU KNOW, IDENTIFIERS LIKE A, YOU KNOW, AN ADDRESS OR WHATEVER.

WE CURRENTLY DO THAT ON ALL OF OUR PHOTOS ANYWAY.

WE SHOW, UH, THERE'S A DATE AND A TIMESTAMP, THERE'S AN ADDRESS.

UH, SO ALL THAT IS ON A PHOTO.

AND SO, UH, OUR ENVISION IS THIS, THIS, THIS, WHEN WE SEND

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THESE PHOTOS AND, AND GET TO THIS POINT IN, IN, IN THE, IN THE, IN THE PROCESS, UM, THE HEARINGS EXAMINER WILL HAVE, UH, ALL THIS AT THEIR FINGERTIPS WITH OUR NEW SYSTEM.

UH, WE CAN ALLOW THEM TO, TO BE ABLE TO GO INTO THE SYSTEM, UH, PULL THIS UP, LOOK AT ALL THE, THE LIBRARY FILE OF ALL THE NOTICES THAT WERE ISSUED, ALL THE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT ARE, THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION, AND HAVE THAT PHOTOGRAPHIC PROOF, UH, AND EVIDENCE, UH, DURING AN A HEARING PROCESS AND APPEAL SO THEY CAN ACTUALLY SEE EVERYTHING.

AND THE WHOLE IDEA BEHIND THIS IS, IS, IS FOR, YOU KNOW, A CODE OFFICER NOT TO HAVE TO ATTEND A HEARING, UH, OR, OR TAKE TIME AWAY FROM BEING OUT IN THE FIELD.

UM, UH, AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THE EASE OF THE, OF THE APPEAL PROCESS.

AND SO, UH, BUT ANYWAY, UH, I, I DON'T WANNA BELABOR THE POINT ON ALL THESE VIOLATION TYPES, BUT, UH, I CAN, I CAN QUICKLY RUN DOWN, OR MR. CHAIR, HOWEVER YOU'D LIKE FOR ME TO PROCEED IF YOU JUST WANNA KIND OF GLANCE AT THESE, OR I CAN, I'VE GOT PHOTOS OF, OF THE MAJORITY OF THESE THAT WE CAN GET IN FURTHER DISCUSSION IF NEEDED.

BUT, UH, AGAIN, AGAIN, THESE ARE MOST OF OUR COMMON VIOLATION TYPES THAT WE HAVE.

UM, I THINK THAT WE ENCOUNTER, I THINK WE COULD JUST MOVE ON TO THE PHOTOS.

YEAH.

OKAY.

MOVE ON.

OKAY.

I JUST, I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO GET INTO JUST A, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE I, I KNOW THERE'S ANOTHER TOPIC ON THE AGENDA, BUT I JUST WANNA BE MINDFUL OF TIME.

SO, UM, I WILL, LEMME STOP HERE BECAUSE IN SUMMARY, THERE'S AN APPROXIMATE OF, UH, 45 VIOLATION TYPES THAT ARE ON THIS, ON THIS LIST.

SO THAT, THAT, AGAIN, THAT'S COMPRISED OF, OF PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL.

UH, SOME OF THOSE RESIDENTIAL VIOLATION TYPES, LIKE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY HIGH GRASS OR TRASH, THOSE, THOSE CAN FILTER INTO A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AS WELL, AND ALSO A MULTI-FAMILY PROPERTY.

BUT, UH, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE FOCUSING ON THE MULTI-FAMILY IS, UH, MORE OR LESS KIND OF OUR, WHAT WE CALL A, A SAFETY, A SAFETY CONCERN, UH, THAT WE'D, UH, SOMETIMES WANT TO JUST GO AHEAD AND, YOU KNOW, IF WE'VE ISSUED NOTICE AND IT HASN'T BEEN, BEEN COMPLIED WITH, YOU KNOW, WE CAN MAYBE, UH, MOVE RIGHT INTO A CIVIL ENFORCEMENT, UH, TYPE FINE SITUATION.

UM, BUT AGAIN, UH, NOTHING OUT OF OUR NORMAL NOTIFICATION DUE PROCESS, UH, SCENARIO WE WOULD CAN, CAN KEEP THAT MOVING FORWARD AS IS.

UH, BUT AGAIN, THIS IS JUST ANOTHER, UH, NEXT ACTION ITEM THAT WE COULD TAKE TO DO ENFORCEMENT.

UH, AND AGAIN, THIS IS, UH, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, ALL THESE ARE LISTED IN OUR CODE OF ORDINANCES IN OUR, UH, GARLAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AS IS.

UM, AND SO, UH, SO JUMPING OVER TO, UM, JUMPING OVER TO THE, TO THE FEE SCHEDULE, UM, THIS IS THE, UH, THE BREAKDOWN OF WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING.

UM, OB OBVIOUSLY NOT SET IN STONE, UM, BUT THIS IS JUST KIND OF OUR, OUR FIRST THOUGHT OF, OF, OF THE RESIDENTIAL AND THE COMMERCIAL FINE FEES.

UH, AGAIN, WITH THE TRYING TO CREATE THE BALANCE OF, UH, MOTIVATION FOR COMPLIANCE, UH, THAT'S THE KEY, IS TO MOTIVATE SOMEONE TO COMPLY, UH, BUT ALSO NOT BE HEAVY HANDED WHEN IT COMES TO THIS.

AND SO, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE RESIDENTIAL, UH, IS THE, THE FIRST OFFENSE.

WE, WE WERE PROPOSING ABOUT A $40, UH, UH, FINE SET FOR A FIRST OFFENSE.

AND THEN IF WE, IF WE COME BACK A FEW DAYS LATER, UH, THROUGH, THROUGH OUR, OUR WORKFLOWS AND PROTOCOLS, IF THAT, IF THAT VIOLATION HAS NOT BEEN CORRECTED AT THAT TIME, UH, THEN WE WOULD ADDITION, UH, ISSUE A, A, A REPEAT OFFENSE CITATION, A SECOND OFFENSE, UH, FOR THE SAME PARTICULAR SITUATION, UH, THAT FEE WOULD THEN ESCALATE TO $75.

AND THEN IF WE GET INTO A THIRD AND, UM, CONTINUAL, UH, REPEAT OFFENSE OF THIS, IT WOULD, IT WOULD JUMP TO A HUNDRED DOLLARS, UH, FOR THE THIRD.

AND ANYTHING AFTER THE THIRD WOULD CONTINUE AS A HUNDRED DOLLARS.

NOW WITH THAT BEING SAID, UNDERSTANDING THAT ONCE COMPLIANCE IS GAINED, UH, IN, IN THIS CASE OR WHATEVER THIS PARTICULAR SCENARIO, ONCE COM, ONCE COMPLIANCE IS GAINED, UH, FOR FUTURE SITUATIONS THAT WOULD, WE WOULD COME ACROSS, I'LL USE HIGH GRASS AS AN EXAMPLE.

IT OCCURS A LOT.

UH, IF HIGH GRASS, ONCE IT'S COMPLIED, THE CASE IS CLOSED, THAT PARTICULAR CASE IS CLOSED, UM, IF WE HAVE A REPEAT VIOLATION THREE MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD, UH, WE WOULD START THAT NOTIFICATION PROCESS AGAIN.

UM, TYPICALLY NOW, IF FUTURE THREE OR FOUR MONTHS, FIVE MONTHS, SIX MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD, THIS, THIS TREND CONTINUES AND WE KEEP GETTING THE SAME VIOLATION, THEN WE, WE, THROUGH POLICY, UH, WE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND MAYBE OFFER A, A ADMINISTRATIVE CITATION, UH, DUE TO THE FACT OF THE, OF THE HISTORY AND THE TREND.

AND THIS, YOU KNOW, WE COULD, WE COULD POSSIBLY MAYBE GO TO THAT, UH,

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TYPE SCENARIO.

BUT AGAIN, OUR INITIAL, UH, PROTOCOL IS TO CONTINUE WITH THE NOTIFICATION PROCESS.

UM, BASICALLY, SO YOU JUST SWITCH OVER TO THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, SAME, SAME TYPE SCENARIOS, UH, JUST A DIFFERENT NUMBER, A DIFFERENT FINE AMOUNT.

UH, WITH, WITH THE CONCEPT OF SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, WE FEEL LIKE, UH, COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, UM, YOU KNOW, MIGHT HAVE, UH, MORE RESOURCES OR, OR, OR MIGHT NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE MOTIVATION, UH, SO TO SPEAK, UM, TO, UH, TO, TO COMPLY.

SO AGAIN, THE FIRST OFFENSE, UH, WOULD BE A HUNDRED, A HUNDRED DOLLARS SECOND, UH, WOULD JUMP TO ONE 50.

UH, AND THEN THE THIRD, UM, A REPEAT AND, AND MOVING FORWARD WOULD BE, UH, 200 EACH TIME.

UM, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA HOW THIS KIND OF COMPARES TO OUR, OUR, OUR CRIMINAL COURT FINES, UH, CURRENTLY.

AND, AND THOSE, THOSE, THESE, THESE FINES ARE SET BY THE JUDGE, BUT THESE ARE, THESE ARE KIND OF THE, THE BOUNDARIES, I BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVE.

UH, YOU KNOW, THE INITIAL FINE IS UP TO, UP TO A $500, UH, FINE.

UH, AND THEN, UH, THEY CAN GO TO A MAXIMUM OF $2,000, UH, FOR SOME REPEAT OFFENSES.

UH, UH, BACK TO THE, TO THE CITY OF GRAND PRAIRIE.

UH, JUST TO COMPARE WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY DO, UH, THEY STARTED OUT WITH THEIR PROGRAM AS THE FIRST OFFENSE OF $35.

UH, AND IT INCREASES, UH, $85 EACH OCCURRENCE.

SO THE SECOND VIOLATION WOULD BE, UM, IF YOU DO THE MATH, IT'D BE $120 CITATION.

AND THEN, UH, THE NEXT CITATION WOULD BE LIKE 2 0 5.

SO IF YOU JUST WANNA COMPARE IT WITH WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY CURRENTLY DO.

OKAY.

SO LET'S GET INTO SOME PHOTOS, UH, THE FUN STUFF.

UM, SO THIS IS A, THIS IS JUST SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE TYPICALLY RUN ACROSS ON A DAILY BASIS.

YOU KNOW, THIS IS, UH, PHOTOGRAPHS OF HIGH GRASS.

UH, I HAVE, AS COUNCILWOMAN BEARD REQUESTED, WE, WE REMOVED THE, WE PROTECT THE INNOCENT, UH, UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.

SO I HAVE, UH, UH, REMOVED SOME OF THE ADDRESSING AND, AND JUST SOME OF THE IDENTIFIERS TO THESE PROPERTIES, UH, UH, JUST FOR THAT PURPOSE.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY HERE'S, HERE'S PICTURES OF HIGH GRASS.

I MEAN, IT, IT'S PRETTY COMMON THAT WE SEE THIS.

AND, AND THIS WOULD BE, AGAIN, A SITUATION WHERE I THINK WE COULD PROVE THE VIOLATION EXISTS WITH, WITH A PHOTOGRAPHIC LIBRARY OF, OF WHAT WE'RE DOING.

SO, , AGAIN, JUST ANOTHER, ANOTHER PHOTOGRAPH OF HIGH GRASS THAT, THAT WE ENCOUNTER, UH, TRASH AND BULKY ITEMS. UH, SOMETIMES THERE'S, THERE'S A, THERE HAS TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF DUE DILIGENCE, UH, INVESTIGATIVE WORK ON SOME, SOME, SOME OF THESE TYPE VIOLATIONS.

TRASH, UM, YOU KNOW, IT CAN BE CONSIDERED TRASH.

IT, IT IS, IT IS TRASH, BUT IT COULD BE CONSIDERED A BULKY ITEM, UH, SITUATION AS WELL.

SO IF, IF, FOR INSTANCE, UM, A PERSON MOVES OUT OR, UM, UH, PEOPLE PUT ITEMS AT THE, AT THE CURB AND, AND FOR WHATEVER REASON, THE SANITATION, UH, DOESN'T COLLECT THAT FOR VARIOUS REASONS, SUCH IF, IF THEIR UTILITY ACCOUNT'S BEEN SHUT OFF AND THEY'RE NOT PAYING FOR THAT SERVICE, THEN WE GET INVOLVED IN THAT FROM A, FROM A TRASH AND A BULKY ITEM STANDPOINT.

SO WE WOULD, WE WOULD INTERVENE AND COME INTO PLAY.

AND THIS, THIS MIGHT BE A SITUATION WHERE, AGAIN, WE'D ISSUE NOTICE, GIVE PLENTY OF TIME FOR THE, FOR THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNER, UH, TO, UH, TO REMOVE THESE ITEMS IF SANITATION IS NOT GONNA SERVICE THIS PARTICULAR AREA.

AND THEN WE COULD, WE COULD ADMINISTER ENFORCEMENT THIS WAY.

UH, AGAIN, JUST COMMERCIAL TRASH AND DEBRIS.

UM, UH, AGAIN, TYPICAL THINGS THAT WE ENCOUNTER ON A DAILY BASIS, UM, FAMOUS, UH, WALMART, WE CALL GRAFFITI .

UH, JUST, JUST A ONE, ONE SAMPLE OF, OF GRAFFITI.

NOW, AS YOU KNOW, WE CURRENTLY HAVE A, A GRAFFITI ABATEMENT PROGRAM THAT, THAT YOU COUNSEL HAS BLESSED US WITH THE, WITH THE BUDGET TO REMOVE GRAFFITI AT NO COST.

NOW, FROM TIME TO TIME, IT IS RARE, VERY RARE THAT WE, WE REQUIRE AN AFFIDAVIT, UM, NOT AN AFFIDAVIT, BUT A, UH, A WAIVER.

A WAIVER, UH, MISSPOKE, A WAIVER FOR A PROPERTY OWNER TO ALLOW US TO COME ONTO THEIR, OUR, THEIR PROPERTY WITH A CON, WITH OUR CONTRACTOR TO ABATE AND REMOVE THIS AT NO COST.

NOW, FROM TIME TO TIME, AND LIKE I SAY, IT IS RARE, UM, A PROPERTY OWNER WILL IGNORE US, OR WE, OR WE CAN'T LOCATE THEM OR WHATEVER, UH, TO GET THAT WAIVER OF PERMISSION.

UH, AND SO WE, WE MIGHT HAVE TO GET INTO A, AN ENFORCEMENT TYPE SITUATION HERE.

LIKE I SAY, IT IS VERY RARE, BUT IT, IT IS POSSIBLE, UM, TYPICAL VIOLATION THAT WE ENCOUNTER ALL THE TIME DURING THE GROWING SEASON.

UH, STREET AND ALLEY ENCROACHMENTS OF VEGETATION, OF TREES AND, AND SHRUBS AND THINGS.

AND SO HERE, HERE'S

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WHAT WE DO.

UM, WE HAVE A MEASURING STICK.

UH, THERE'S, IT'S SET AT 14 FEET, UH, FOR STREETS AND ALLEYS.

UH, THE HEIGHT IS 14 FEET, UH, SIDEWALKS IS EIGHT FEET.

SO WE USE A MEASURING STICK, UH, TO SHOW, UH, THE VIOLATION AND HOW IT'S, UH, PORTRAYED TO BE A VIOLATION IS THROUGH THIS MEASURING STICK THAT WE PUT IN OUR PHOTOGRAPHS.

AND SO, UM, THIS WILL HELP AID IN ANY TYPE OF A, A HEARING OR, OR, OR VALIDATING THAT THIS VI THIS IS A, A VIOLATION.

UM, AND SO WE HAVE, UH, THINGS THAT WE CAN, WE CAN PUT IN THESE PHOTOGRAPHS TO, TO GIVE YOU, UM, A, UM, A DEFINITION OR, OR A, UM, I CAN'T THINK OF THE WORD I'M TRYING TO THINK OF, BUT A, A DESIGNATION OF, OKAY, JUST, JUST TO SHOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A, A, A REFERENCE POINT OF, OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.

SO THIS IS A ACTUAL STREET.

UH, THE PICTURE ON THE LEFT IS ACTUAL STREET VIOLATION, WHERE THE VEGETATION IS LOWER THAN IT'S STICKING OUT OVER THE, OVER THE, INTO THE STREET, LOWER THAN 14 FEET.

UH, THE SECOND PHOTOGRAPH IS AN ALLEY.

UH, IT'S BASICALLY THE SAME, SAME TYPE SCENARIO, JUST DIFFERENT LOCATION FENCE MAINTENANCE.

UH, THIS IS ONE THAT, UH, THAT, THAT REALLY WOULD BENEFIT A LOT FROM, FROM THIS TYPE OF A PROGRAM.

UM, WE, WE DO NOT ABATE OR REPAIR FENCES FOR PEOPLE.

UM, WHEREAS, YOU KNOW, IN, IN OTHER ABATEMENTS, WE CAN, WE CAN GO OUT AND MOW GRASS AND PICK UP TRASH, BUT WE DO NOT ENTER PEOPLE'S PROPERTY AND REPAIR THEIR FENCE.

UH, SO THIS, THIS WOULD BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO PAY MAYBE, UH, ANOTHER TOOL IN OUR TOOL BELT TO ENFORCE A FENCE MAINTENANCE, MAINTENANCE ISSUE.

UH, AND THEN ALSO, UH, HERE'S A PICTURE OF A SCREENING WALL ON, ON A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN DAMAGED IN VIOLATION.

SO I'LL QUICKLY GET PAST THIS, THIS SLIDE BETWEEN BREAKFAST AND LUNCH, UH, SEWAGE , UH, AGAIN, PRETTY, PRETTY OBVIOUS.

UM, AND THEN, UH, INOPERABLE IN, IN JUNK MOTOR VEHICLES.

UM, THIS, THIS IS A SCENARIO WHERE WE COULD, UH, POTENTIALLY, UH, WE COULD START OUT WITH THE CIVIL ENFORCEMENT TYPE OPERATION.

UH, AND THEN NOW, EVENTUALLY, AND WE HAVE IN THE PAST, IT'S, IT'S REALLY OUR, OUR, OUR, OUR BIGGEST, UH, UM, OPPORTUNITY FOR ENFORCEMENT ON JUNK MOTOR VEHICLES.

WE HAVE HAD THE, HAD, WE HAVE HAD TO, IN THE PAST, ACTUALLY GO OUT AND REMOVE A JUNK MOTOR VEHICLE, UH, FROM A PROPERTY.

UH, WE JUST COULDN'T GAIN COMPLIANCE, UH, AFTER EVEN CRIMINAL CITATIONS OR WHATEVER.

UH, AND THEN WE WOULD JUST, WE WOULD, WE'D GO ON THE PROPERTY WITH LEGALLY WITH A WARRANT, UH, TO, TO ABATE THE VEHICLE AND REMOVE THE VEHICLE AND, AND GO FROM THERE.

SO IN THIS TYPE SITUATION, I COULD SEE THAT WE COULD, WE COULD MAKE, POSSIBLY START OUT IN A, A CIVIL ENFORCEMENT MODE, UH, AND THEN IF WE'RE NOT, IF WE'RE NOT GETTING PROGRESS, THAT THAT'S THE PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE.

AND SO IF WE START THERE, AND THEN IF WE, IF WE'RE NOT GETTING THE RESULT WE NEED FROM THE CIVIL, UH, ENFORCEMENT, WE COULD, WE COULD CHANGE COURSE, THEN MAYBE SWITCH OVER TO THE, TO THE CRIMINAL, UH, FLOW BECAUSE, UH, WITH THAT, THERE'S, THERE'S CERTIFIED MAILINGS THAT GO OUT.

UH, THERE'S, THERE'S APPEALS, UM, IN, IN THE FLOW THAT'S IN OUR, CURRENTLY, IN OUR ORDINANCE.

AND THEN WE CAN ALSO, UM, UH, GET INTO THE, UH, TO THE ABATEMENT SIDE IF, IF WE HAVE TO DO THAT DOWN THE ROAD.

SO, UM, UH, HERE, HERE'S KIND OF A CARRY OVER ONTO THE COMMERCIAL SIDE WHERE WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL, COMMERCIAL MAINTENANCE ISSUES.

YOU CAN SEE THE PHOTO IN THE, IN THE LEFT IS A, IS A BUILDING THAT'S GOT SOME COMMERCIAL MAINTENANCE PROBLEMS. UM, IT LOOKS LIKE IT IMPLODED.

I'M SORRY, IT LOOKS LIKE IT IMPLODED.

UH, YEAH.

UM, AND I, YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW THE HISTORY ON THIS AND FOR THIS PURPOSE, I'M NOT GONNA MENTION IT, BUT IT, BUT IT, THIS IS, I'M JUST, THIS IS A REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT WE COULD DO.

BUT YEAH, I, I AGREE.

UH, AND THEN WE HAVE A COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT MAINTENANCE.

IT'S PRETTY, PRETTY CUT AND DRY.

JUST KEEP YOUR PARKING LOT REPAIRED WITH CONCRETE AND ASPHALT.

WHEN, WHEN APPLICABLE AND ALLOWED, UH, IMPROPER STORAGE.

UH, THIS, THIS IS A GOOD ONE, YOU KNOW, THAT WE CAN PROVE WITH A PHOTOGRAPH.

UM, NOW WITH IMPROPER STORAGE, UM, THE, THE, THE, THE ORDINANCE STATES THAT, YOU KNOW, IMPROPER STORAGE HAS TO BE THERE AT LEAST 24 HOURS.

SO, UH, ANYTIME WE GET INVOLVED IN AN IMPROPER STORAGE TYPE SITUATION, WE HAVE TO GO OUT, VERIFY THAT IT'S THERE, THAT IT IS IMPROPER STORAGE, THE POTENTIAL OF PROPER IMPROPER STORAGE.

WE HAVE TO GO BACK 24 HOURS LATER.

IF IT'S STILL THERE, THEN IT'S A VIOLATION.

SO THIS PROTECTS PEOPLE FROM CLEANING OUT THEIR GARAGE.

YOU KNOW, IF YOU, IF YOU STORE ITEMS OUT ON YOUR DRIVEWAY WHILE YOU'RE CLEANING OUT YOUR GARAGE, YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU GO, YOU KNOW, JUST SO HAPPENS A CODE OFFICER DRIVES BY AND

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SEES THAT, UM, THEY HAVE TO GO BACK THE NEXT DAY, OR AT LEAST 24 HOURS TO VERIFY IT'S STILL THERE, THEN IT BECOMES AN IMPROPER STORAGE VIOLATION.

SO, UH, JUST THAT'S KEY.

BUT AGAIN, ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO, TO USE THIS ENFORCEMENT.

UH, JUST, JUST ANOTHER PHOTOGRAPH OF IMPROPER STORAGE.

UM, AND IMPROPER STORAGE IS BASICALLY ANYTHING THAT'S LEFT OUTDOORS THAT NORMALLY, NORMALLY IS STORED INSIDE, UH, THAT, THAT COULD DETERIORATE IN THE WEATHER.

AND, AND, UH, THROUGH, IN THE ELEMENTS, UH, THIS IS, UH, FALLS INTO BOTH COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL.

UM, AND, AND MULTIFAMILY.

UH, SOMETIMES WE RUN ACROSS, UH, OLD FAITHFUL'S STEPCHILDREN.

UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU SEE THE, THE PROPERTY HERE ON THE LEFT IS A, IS A SPRINKLER IRRIGATION SYSTEM THAT'S, THAT'S GONE RYE .

UM, YOU KNOW, WE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF A, A GEEZER GOING THERE.

UM, AND AGAIN, THIS IS, THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT'S, IT'S OCCURRING IN AN ACTION, BUT YOU CAN CAPTURE IT WITH A PHOTOGRAPH AND SEE THAT THAT'S A, UH, UH, THAT'S WATER THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, FLOWING OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE PLUMBING.

UH, AND THEN ALSO THE, THE PHOTOGRAPH ON THE RIGHT IS A, UH, A PLUMBING SITUATION, UH, THAT IS, IS INCORRECTLY VENTED, AND IT'S, IT GOES NOWHERE .

SO, UH, THESE ARE, THIS IS A, THIS IS A PLUMBING ISSUE THAT WE COULD, WE COULD USE, UH, CIVIL ENFORCEMENT ON, UH, IN JUST ABOUT ANY, ANY SCENARIO.

UNSECURED BUILDING AND WEATHERPROOFING.

UM, AGAIN, PHOTOGRAPHS OF, OF BUILDINGS THAT ARE, ARE STRUCTURES THAT ARE UNSECURED WITH, WITH, UH, BREACH DOORS, OPEN WINDOWS.

UM, AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, OUR, UH, OUR OFFICERS ARE, ARE VERY ASTUTE TO DETERMINE IF A, IF A BUILDING, IF A BUILDING IS VACANT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA DRIVE BY AND, AND ISSUE A NOTICE TO SOMEONE THAT'S GOT THEIR WINDOW RAISED, GETTING FRESH AIR OR WHATEVER.

UH, BUT IF WE, IF WE KNOW THAT THIS BUILDING IS VACANT, IT'S UNSECURED, UM, YOU KNOW, WE COULD PROVE, PROVE THAT WITH A, WITH A SERIES OF PHOTOGRAPHS AND, AND OTHER, OTHER, UM, UH, ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO HELP A, HELP AN EXAMINER HEARINGS EXAMINER, UM, UH, RULE ON A, ON A SITUATION.

UH, ALSO YOU CAN SEE ON THE PHOTO ON THE LEFT, THE FASCIA THERE HAS GOT, GOT A, A PRETTY GOOD CHUNK OF A ROTTED WOOD, UH, THAT WOULD REQUIRE WEATHERPROOFING AND, AND THE SCRAPING AND PAINTING ISSUES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAT WE COULD, WE COULD PROVIDE WITH A PHOTOGRAPH TO, TO, UM, ENCOURAGE WEATHERPROOFING OF, OF THE STRUCTURE, UH, OUTSIDE STORAGE DISPLAY AT A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.

UH, AGAIN, UH, THIS IS, UM, YOU KNOW, A STORAGE DISPLAY, OUTSIDE STORAGE TYPE THING.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE REFER TO IT AS THE, THERE, THERE'S A 5, 5, 5 RULE, UH, FIVE FEET HIGH, NO LONGER THAN FIVE FEET WIDE, AND NO, NO, NO DEEPER THAN FIVE FEET FROM THE, FROM THE BUILDING, FROM THE BUILDING.

SO, UH, THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION SHOWS THAT, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY THE WALKWAY IS, IS CONGESTED.

UM, AND WE COULD, WE COULD PROVE THAT SITUATION WITH A PHOTO, UH, BLOCKING FIRE LANES, UH, BY AN OBJECT, UH, PARKING IN UN UNMARKED SPACES.

THESE ARE, THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE ENCOUNTER FROM, FROM COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES.

THIS PARTICULAR PHOTO SHOWS MULTIPLE VIOLATIONS.

UH, UH, YOU'VE GOT THE, THE DUMPSTER THAT'S LOCATED IN THE FIRE LANE.

UH, YOU'VE GOT VEHICLES THAT ARE PARKED, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE SUR, YOU KNOW, PROTECTED BY CONES THAT ARE OBVIOUSLY IN NO PARKING AREAS.

UH, SO AGAIN, ANOTHER THING THAT WE CAN, WE CAN PROVE, UH, COMMERCIAL SIGNAGE, UH, BOTH OBSOLETE AND MAINTENANCE.

UH, HERE'S A PHOTOGRAPH OF A SIGN THAT'S, UH, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S, THERE'S NOTHING ON IT, BASICALLY.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME TIME LAPSE ON, ON AN OBSOLETE SIGN.

YOU KNOW, WE'D HAVE TO SHOW THAT THE SIGN WAS AT THE, THIS CONDITION AT AT POINT A.

AND THEN AT POINT B, YOU KNOW, 30, 60, 90 DAYS DOWN THE ROAD, IT'S STILL OBSOLETE.

UH, JUST TO SHOW THAT SCENARIO OF, OF TIME LAPSE, UM, TO HELP WITH THAT, UH, PROVE THAT VIOLATION.

UH, A COUPLE OF PICTURES OF OUR MULTIFAMILY.

UH, THIS IS A, A PICTURE OF A BALCONY THAT'S OBVIOUSLY IN, IN SEVERE DETERIORATION.

UH, YOU KNOW, THE FACE PLATE WAS REMOVED, AND YOU SEE THE DAMAGE, THE ROTTED WOOD THERE.

UM, JUST SHOWING YOU THAT AS A, AS A VIOLATION TYPE THAT WE COULD, WE COULD, UM, BASICALLY GET TO AN ENFORCEMENT TYPE SITUATION, AN ELECTRICAL, UM, VIOLATION.

HERE'S, HERE'S A PHOTOGRAPH OF A JUNCTION BOX THAT'S GOT EXPOSED WIRING AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

SO, SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY, MY PHOTO LIBRARY, UH, JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF SOME OF THE PHOTOS AND, AND THE THINGS THAT WE ENCOUNTER, UH, COMMONLY IN OUR, IN

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OUR DAILY, DAILY LIVES AT CODE.

UM, I KNOW I GAVE YOU A LOT OF INFORMATION.

I KNOW YOU PROBABLY HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS, DISCUSSIONS, AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A, A PROPOSAL THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THINGS THAT WE WOULD, UH, WANTED TO BRING FORWARD TO YOU, UM, THAT YOU HAD ASKED FOR TO KIND OF HELP HELP US MOVE ALONG WITH THIS PROCESS.

SO, AWESOME.

THANK YOU, RICK.

AND JUST TO RECAP REAL QUICK, RIGHT, SO WE DISCUSSED THIS BEFORE, AND TODAY WE WANTED TO LOOK AT WHAT OTHER, UH, CIVIL PENALTY PROGRAMS, OTHER CITIES WERE DOING.

UM, LOOK AT A LIST OF POTENTIAL, POTENTIAL VIOLATION TYPES, WHAT THE FEES ARE, AND EXAMPLE PHOTOS.

UM, LADIES DISCUSSION.

I LOVE THIS SO INCREDIBLY MUCH.

SO THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THE EFFORT THAT YOU GUYS PUT INTO DOING THIS FOR US.

UM, I FEEL LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF TIMES WHERE WE'RE GETTING CALLS AND COMPLAINTS FROM RESIDENTS, AND IT'S LIKE, WELL, MY NEIGHBOR HAS TOO MUCH JUNK IN THEIR BACKYARD.

AND IT'S LIKE, OKAY, WELL, WE KNOW THAT THAT'S AGAINST AN ORDINANCE, BUT WHAT DO WE DO? WHAT'S NEXT? SO I THINK THAT THIS GIVES US A NICE LEG TO STAND ON AS FAR AS WHAT COMES NEXT AND WHAT THE POTENTIALS, BUT I ALSO LOVE THAT IT GETS YOU GUYS THE FREEDOM TO MAKE YOUR BEST JUDGMENT ON WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

UM, SO JUST A COUPLE OF MAYBE COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, UM, ON THE COMMERCIAL FINES.

I KNOW WE HAD DISCUSSED THIS BEFORE, AND DID WE DETERMINE THAT THE 200 IS THE MAX ON COMMERCIALS THAT WE CAN, THAT WE CAN DO WITHIN THAT SPECTRUM OF, LET ME GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE JUST TO .

OH, THERE, IT'S, I DON'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS THIS TOPIC THAT WE WERE DISCUSSING ABOUT 200 BEING THE MAX.

WELL, THE, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE WOULD BE, UH, IF IT'S, IF IT'S A CONTINUAL REPEAT OFFENSE, IT WOULD, IF IT EVENTUALLY GOT TO THE $200 LIMIT, THEN IF, IF WE GOT TO A FOURTH, UH, CITATION THAT HAD NOT BEEN, UH, COMPLIED WITH, THEN IT WOULD JUST CONTINUE TO BE ANOTHER $200.

SO, UM, AND THEN THE, THE, THE, THE COURT FEES, THE CRIMINAL SIDE IS UP TO 500.

AND AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S BASED ON WHAT THE JUDGE DECIDES.

AND THEN WITH A, A $2,000 MAX.

SO, I DON'T KNOW, AM AM I ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION? UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I INTERJECT HERE, PLEASE? UH, I BELIEVE, UM, COUNCILWOMAN DUTTON THAT THIS WAS DISCUSSED WHEN I WAS DOING ONE OF THE PARKING.

OKAY.

I, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WAS PRESENTATION, GETTING MY THINGS MIXED.

AND, AND WHAT IT WAS, WAS IN THE TRANSPORTATION CODE, MANY MAX FINES WAS $200.

OKAY.

AND THAT'S WHERE THAT'S COMING FROM.

OKAY.

UM, WITH THIS ON THE, UM, ON THE ORDINANCE SIDE, OUR JUDGES WILL SET THOSE WHEN THEY COME IN.

UM, THEY, THEY TYPICALLY STAY UNDER THAT $500 RANGE FOR SURE, UM, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF SOME HEALTH AND SAFETY AND SOME REPEAT OFFENSES THAT GO UP TO THAT HIGHER AMOUNT.

PERFECT.

SO THE HEALTH AND SAFETY IS REALLY WHAT WAS KIND OF FUELING THAT QUESTION WAS LIKE, I WOULD HATE FOR SOMEONE THAT IS A SLUMLORD AND HAS SEWAGE GOING ALL OVER EVERYWHERE TO, TO GET A, A LITTLE BABY, $200 FINE.

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO THAT WAS LIKE, THAT WAS KIND OF WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THAT QUESTION.

UM, BUT AGAIN, YOU GUYS HAVE THE JUDGMENT CALL AND YOU ARE THE PROFESSIONAL.

SO WE, WE, WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN.

I INTERJECT ONE MORE TIME.

, UH, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WITH THIS CIVIL ADJUDICATION PROCESS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THAT WE REMEMBER, THIS WILL BE THE FIRST STEP MM-HMM .

SO THAT BABY FINE WOULD BE MAYBE THE START.

YEAH.

AND IF WE GAIN COMPLIANCE, GREAT, WE'RE DONE.

RIGHT? AND IF NOT, WE STILL HAVE THE CRIMINAL SIDE BEHIND IT AND THE NUISANCE ABATEMENT SIDE BEHIND THAT, RIGHT? SO WE HAVE SEVERAL TOOLS HERE AND SEVERAL STEPS WE CAN BE TAKEN.

AND YOU KIND OF ANSWERED THAT WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, BEING A HELTER SAFETY THAT THE JUDGE COULD HANDLE ON THAT SIDE.

SO, HI ANDY.

HI, .

CAN I ASK A QUESTION? CAN, CAN THAT FINE BE LEVIED ON A DAILY BASIS UNTIL COMPLIANCE IS GAINED? IT CAN, BUT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SOME PROBLEMS. AND I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, WE ON THE PARKING SIDE OF IT RIGHT NOW, IT'S, UH, VIOLATIONS EVERY THIRD DAY.

SO WE GO OUT, WE WRITE A TICKET TODAY.

UM, WE'RE NOT GONNA WRITE A SAME TICKET FOR THAT SAME VIOLATION FOR THREE DAYS DOWN THE ROAD.

UM, THAT'S NOT GONNA WORK.

IN SOME OF YOUR INSTANCES, LIKE WITH HIGH GRASS, UH, YOU KNOW, WE GIVE THEM A HEARING DATE THAT'S SET OUT EVEN FURTHER, 45 TO 60 DAYS OUT FROM THE DAY OF THE TICKET.

UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO REALLY LOOK AT THIS WHEN WE'RE, WHEN WE'RE PUTTING TOGETHER THESE ORDINANCES, UM, AND CONSIDERING THESE VIOLATIONS ON HOW ALL THAT DUE PROCESS WILL WORK.

BUT FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT, DEPENDING ON HOW WE MAY MAKE A INTERNAL POLICY ON CERTAIN CATEGORIES OF SEVERITY OR COUNSEL PRIORITY, FOR EXAMPLE, WE COULD SAY UNTIL COMPLIANCE IS GAINED, WE COULD, WE COULD CONTINUE.

AND WE'VE DONE IT IN SOME CASES, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, UM, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S A DEMOLITION ORDER, SOMETHING MORE SEVERE THAT IS, ENDS UP BEING, BUT

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SINCE IT'S JUST ON THE CIVIL SIDE, IT WON'T HAVE A, IS IT A JUDGMENT CALL THAT THEY COULD MAKE? WHETHER IT ESCALATES TO A, A CITATION THAT THE COURT WOULD DECIDE, OR WE COULD, COULD WE CONTINUE TO WRITE ONE OF THESE LEVELS OF TICKETS FOR WHATEVER'S APPROPRIATE UNTIL COMPLIANCE IS GAINED? BOTH, UH, YOU, IT COULD BE ON A DAILY BASIS.

WE'VE SET THE PARKING LOT UP ON ONCE EVERY THIRD THREE DAYS, WHICH MAY CHANGE IN THE FUTURE MAY BE A RECOMMENDATION FOR A CHANGE ON THAT ONE.

EVEN.

UM, ON THE CRIMINAL SIDE, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, ANDY, IT'S ONCE PER DAY.

UM, AS LONG AS THE NOTICES ARE THERE AND ALL THAT'S APPLIED, UH, APPLIED, RIGHT? SO IF YOU GIVE THE NOTICES THAT WERE REQUIRED, YOU WRITE THE TICKET, I WOULD ASSUME FROM THAT POINT, MOVING FORWARD EVERY DAY YOU COULD WRITE AN ADDITIONAL TICKET UNTIL WE, WE GAIN COMPLIANCE.

AND, AND THE REASON I WANNA POINT THAT OUT IS BECAUSE I THINK WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S IN ALIGNMENT WITH COUNSEL'S PRIORITIES IN, IN TERMS OF HOW DO WE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S GONNA BE A VARIETY OF THINGS THAT ARE ABSOLUTELY LIFE SAFETY.

THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S GONNA BE MULTIPLE CATEGORIES THAT SOME JUST COME DOWN TO UNATTRACTIVE AND, AND JUST BOTHERSOME, BUT STILL A CODE VIOLATION.

SO WE WOULD THEN MAYBE USE SOME JUDGMENT ON HOW TO ALIGN THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT, HEY, THIS IS A CLEAR GUIDANCE THAT WE, WE'VE GOTTA BRING THIS INTO COMPLIANCE CITYWIDE.

WE'RE, YOU'RE GONNA GET ONE OF THESE UNTIL YOU GET IT TOGETHER AND WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE IN ALIGNMENT.

YEAH, NO, ABSOLUTELY.

I, I AGREE WITH THAT WHOLEHEARTEDLY.

'CAUSE I WOULDN'T WANT SOMEONE WITH RAW SEWAGE GOING EVERYWHERE AND WELL, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST GONNA, YOU KNOW, WELL, YOU GOT TWO DAYS AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK OUT.

LIKE, NO, THAT, THAT, RIGHT.

NOT ONLY IS IT UNSIGHTLY, IT'S, IT IS A LIFE SAFETY ISSUE.

AND SO IT'S, I I, I AGREE WITH THAT.

IF WE, IF OUR, IF OUR GUYS HAVE THAT, UM, ABILITY TO MAKE THE JUDGMENT CALL, LIKE THIS IS A LIFE SAFETY SITUATION, LIKE IT NEEDS TO, IF IT, IF IT CAN BE REMEDIED IN 24 HOURS, THEN YOU SHOULD RIGHT.

BE ABLE TO MAKE THOSE, YOU KNOW, THOSE EFFORTS.

SO I, I LIKE THAT.

YEAH, THE GOALS, COMPLIANCE, WHATEVER IT TAKES.

AND I THINK THIS WILL BE A LEARNING CURVE FOR US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE, YOU KNOW, CAN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE HAVE TO ALTER SOME POLICIES AND, AND SOME PROCEDURES IN ORDER TO BE IN ALIGNMENT WITH, YOU KNOW, WHAT MAKES SENSE FOR THE RIGHT.

WE DON'T, WE ALSO DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, HARASS FOLKS FOR, FOR THINGS THAT AREN'T APPROPRIATE.

BUT IN THAT SITUATION, THAT WOULD, YEAH, TOP THE LIST.

SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, ANDY.

THANK YOU, SEAN.

UM, SO JUST A COUPLE MORE, UH, LITTLE THINGS THAT HOPEFULLY THEY'LL BE FAST .

UM, WHAT ABOUT LAWN COMPANIES THAT ARE BLOWING INTO THE STREETS? I KNOW IT'S HARD FOR YOU GUYS TO CATCH, UM, AND KNOWING THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE LIKE, THE PHOTO EVIDENCE OF IT HAPPENING.

SO SAY IF I'M DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD AND I SEE A COMPANY'S LANDSCAPING CREW OUT THERE BLOWING INTO THE STREET, IF I'M ABLE TO GET A PHOTO OF IT THAT WOULD PROVE THE LOCATION, YOU KNOW, LIKE SAY THE, THE BUILDING OR WHATEVER, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD ADD TO THIS? OR HOW, HOW DO WE TYPICALLY GO ABOUT THAT SITUATION? WELL, TYPICALLY WHAT WE DO IS WE USUALLY, WHEN WE, BY THE TIME WE GET THERE, THEY'RE GONE, RIGHT? UH, WE, WE MIGHT, WE MIGHT SEE THE EVIDENCE LEFT BEHIND, YOU KNOW, THE, THE WEEDS AND THE, THE DEBRIS AND THE, UM, LEFT IN THE STREET AND WHAT WE CURRENTLY DO, EVEN, EVEN THOUGH THE, THE OFFENSE IS NOT OCCURRING AT THE TIME, USUALLY WE'LL, WE'LL TRY TO MAKE CONTACT WITH THAT PROPERTY OWNER AND JUST EXPLAIN TO 'EM THAT, HEY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S EVIDENCE HERE.

YOU'VE, YOUR, YOUR LAWN COMPANY OR YOU OR WHOEVER HAS BLOWN LAWN WASTE INTO THE STREET.

AND THAT'S A VIOLATION.

AND WE, WE, WE'VE GOT A, A, A FLYER, UH, A WASTEWATER STORM, SEWAGE, A STORM DRAIN FLYER THAT WE GIVE THEM AND EXPLAINS THE ORDINANCE AND, AND THAT'S A VIOLATION.

AND JUST THAT, THAT'S HOW WE CURRENTLY DO IT.

UM, AND WE CAN WORK THROUGH THE, THROUGH THROUGH SEAN ON THIS, BUT I, THERE MAY BE SOME CHALLENGES TO THAT.

UM, HE BEEPED IN, SO I'M GONNA SEE IT.

YEAH.

THERE, THERE, THERE, YEAH, THERE COULD BE SOME CHALLENGES, BUT, UH, I, I THINK THERE ARE, AND, AND, AND THIS CODE SITE PROGRAM'S GONNA BE ADDRESS BASED.

SO I GUESS IF WE KNEW IT, IT, IT WOULD WORK IN CERTAIN INSTANCES, IF WE'RE DRIVING DOWN THE STREET, WE SEE THE GRASS IN THE STREET IN FRONT OF IT, AND WE CAN SAY IT'S THAT RESIDENCE GRASS.

UH, YOU TAKE THOSE PICTURES AND MAYBE IT WORKS THERE, AND THEN YOU HOLD THE HOMEOWNER WHO, WHO ALLOWED IT TO SUFFER, UH, THE LITTERING BY THE, THE COMPANY.

BUT THAT, THAT'S A REAL HARD ONE, RIGHT? BECAUSE THE HOMEOWNER'S NOT THE ONE THAT BLEW THE GRASS INTO THE STREET.

RIGHT? RIGHT, RIGHT.

AND, AND THAT'S, I I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF TIMES WHERE, WELL, I MEAN, THEY KNOW WHO THEIR LAWNS, THEIR LAWN COMPANY IS.

SO IF WE APPROACH THEM AND WE GIVE THEM THAT NOTIFICATION LIKE, HEY, LIKE YOUR CREW IS, YOU KNOW, BLOWING INTO THE STREET, IT'S AGAINST THIS ORDINANCE, THEN IF, YOU KNOW, THEY GOT BUSTED AGAIN DOING IT, THEN I FEEL LIKE MAYBE NOT THE HOMEOWNER.

WELL, WE WOULD KNOW WHO THE COMPANY IS, SO THEN WE COULD GO AFTER THE COMPANY.

BUT,

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UM, LOOK, 'CAUSE I SNITCH ON EVERYBODY.

I DON'T CARE.

I, I SEE PEOPLE DOING STUPID STUFF ALL THE TIME.

I'M GONNA SNITCH ON YOU.

I'M GONNA TAKE PICTURES, .

SO THERE'S, THERE'S SO, AND, AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE WASTEWATER THING IS, IT'S A IT IMPORTANT PART OF, YOU KNOW, NOT BLOWING YOUR CLIPPINGS INTO THE STREET, BUT THEN WE ALSO HAVE LIKE THE LEAVES AND THEN IT RAINS AND IT'S SLICK.

AND THEN THERE'S MOTORCYCLES THAT, IT'S A WHOLE PLETHORA OF THINGS THAT PEOPLE DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND.

YOU KNOW, THAT YOU'RE CREATING DIFFERENT ISSUES.

AND SO IT DRIVES ME BATTY THAT WE HAVE ORDINANCES THAT WE, WE CAN'T ENFORCE.

AND SO IT'S LIKE, WELL, WHY, WHY DO WE HAVE IT? AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE CHALLENGE FOR US.

'CAUSE IF IT'S NATURALLY OCCURRING, LEAVES FALL OFF.

TREES FOR SURE LEAVES, LEAVES BLOWING THE STREET, THEY GET IN THE STORM DRAIN, BUT IF SOMEBODY'S INTENTIONALLY DOING IT, THAT'S, THAT'S A DIFFERENT BALL GAME.

SO WITH ALL THESE ALSO KEEP IN MIND THAT THE PICTURE IS GONNA HAVE TO PROVE WHATEVER THE CONDUCT WAS.

UM, SO AS WE GO THROUGH THIS, THIS LIST THAT RICK HAS PRESENTED, WE'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH HE AND I AND SAID, YEAH, THESE MAY WORK, BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO REALLY LOOK AT THE ELEMENTS OF EACH ORDINANCE AND AND SEE IF IT WILL DOWN THE ROAD, RIGHT.

FOR THIS PROGRAM, WHEN, WHEN IT GETS BACK TO ALL, ALL WE'RE GONNA HAVE IS AN ADDRESS AND A PICTURE, AND AN ADMIN JUDGE IS SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO DETERMINE THE VIOLATION OCCURRED BY THAT PICTURE.

RIGHT? RIGHT.

YEAH, DEFINITELY.

I MEAN, THERE'S OBVIOUS TWEAKINGS THAT NEED TO HAPPEN.

AND, UM, I THINK THAT THIS